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    34 KB Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:24 No.13072673  
    Let's talk about slavery.

    Like, let's not be faggots and moralfag about it too damn much or fucking have a thousand pictures of elves being sold into slavery.

    Let's fucking honestly talk about it, how it can be used constructively in campaign or character backstory, and its pitfalls in being used such a way.

    And please.

    For the love of God.

    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:25 No.13072687
    everything you have typed it wrong
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:25 No.13072688
    I have a special policy on slavers as a player. They're burned alive.

    Tends to send the message.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!J5+vjygjQuK 12/08/10(Wed)01:25 No.13072696
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    >general Beyted
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:25 No.13072700
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    There not as useful as thralls, undead or warforges but damn it all if it isn't more fun to break them into your worker drones.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:27 No.13072716
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:27 No.13072718
    What if it's a red Dragon?
    >> Lance !!Npc5sPH0mpC 12/08/10(Wed)01:27 No.13072720
    A viable option in many a game as:
    Origin points for PC, as a former slaver, current slaver or an escaped slave.
    Quest givers/allies for evil PC's

    A bad, bad thing in the real world.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:28 No.13072728
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    It adds an element of alien, by making it clear the setting isn't like the modern world, and allows for clear, easy to grasp moral situations.

    A slave gets instant sympathy and creates several questions. Having areas where slavery is legal contrast nicely with places where it's illegal.

    Receiving a slave as payment or a gift from a grateful but immoral person puts characters on the spot nicely.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:30 No.13072743
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:30 No.13072751
    rolled 2 = 2

    My character is not trusted by his party. He's Evil, but he's Lawful Evil.
    He's hatched a plan that I'm waiting for my DM to allow me to execute.

    Too many of the party are wizards and have alter self or what not.

    He's going to suggest to the mostly good party a very profitable venture that will also destroy a slave market.

    First, he will get the non-female members to whatever-spell-of-their-choice into some hot, female slave ass for him and the party's rogue to "Sell" to the slave market. Then, he'll go away with his payment, Dimension Door back in with their stuff, arm them, and lay waste to the place. Profit and trust, all at once.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:31 No.13072753
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    From a Good perspective, slavery is despicable. Worth going to war over.

    From an Evil perspective, slavery is inefficient. Slaves are less productive than freemen entrapped by clever laws. They're also a constant risk for escape and revolt; the extra security necessary eats up a lot of resources. Realms generally fare better without slavery. PR is a consideration, too.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:31 No.13072764
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    Welcome friends to my humble store what could I help you with?
    Slaves you say!
    Well you are in luck I have the finest breed workers you could ever dream of.
    I have the lizardfolk of blackwater marsh so tough and strong they can easily handle 25 hour work days. and the water breathing helps with shipmaking or dame building.
    I have one mother already with a clutch of eggs only 40 gold!
    But of course I have any that would be needed for a price that is always fair.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:32 No.13072769

    Incidentally, this is from someone who's played a slaver as a character. Though I wound up turning that character over to the GM as an NPC so he could become the main villain.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!J5+vjygjQuK 12/08/10(Wed)01:34 No.13072796
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    You...you require workers? Yes, we can help. We can help.

    They will never tire. Never disobey. Never rebel. Always work. Just for you.

    But first...your hat. I want your hat. It is shiny and I want it. Then we can talk business.

    >Burbarg teachers
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:35 No.13072803
    I prefer a Roman style slavery.

    Generally viewed as misfortune of birth or other circumstances. You have a few rights and can be given your freedom or buy.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:36 No.13072808
    I've played a Neogi artificer.
    Good times good times.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:37 No.13072819
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    Slavery works.

    You'll generally see slavery being using in the background of any successful society.

    It might not always be called slavery, and people might not always know it's even happening but it'll be there.

    This applies from ancient times well through modern times, and will probably continue in the future.

    My point is even good societies are going to have it in some form or another so trying to fight it is pointless as a plot.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:38 No.13072833
    Slaves are cheaper than freemen and can be sent wherever you want.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:38 No.13072835
    I can see a Neogi and Stryxis arguing business with a mindflayer and I love it.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:39 No.13072839
    So... about the Hector / Florina image. First decent one I've ever seen. Moar?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:39 No.13072840

    Well, if you're willing to call jobs which people voluntarily seek out and are paid for "slavery", then you're right. And also trolling.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:40 No.13072851
    They don't have other options and they can't exactly leave.

    It isn't called slavery but it's more or less the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:41 No.13072860

    They are not necessarily cheaper. Consider that you have to take in the added cost of taskmasters/guards to keep them in line, plus any of your business/property they could fuck up in the even of a rebellion. Beyond that, they'll be less productive because they don't want to be there and have no incentive to give a fuck about anything. A free man will do twice the work of a slave since he has the opportunity for a raise/promotion.


    >hurr durr so edgy everyone's a slave to the man
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:42 No.13072876
    Surprised no one has mentioned indentured servitude.

    A fairly substantial number of people settling America from Europe were indentured servants. Sell yourself into "slavery" for a few years in exchange for passage and a parcel of land at the end, with a contract mandating a certain level of treatment, and go.

    It's a much more viable system since you don't have to whip those old guys to death when they can't carry anymore. There's no lingering resentment or slave rebellions to worry about, and so long as the country is expanding, there's always demand for them.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:43 No.13072879
    Slavery might not be as efficient as clever capitalism, but it can be a pervasive idea nevertheless. Throwing magic into the mix changes the formula as well - stuff like detect thoughts and charm person add a whole new awful dimension to the suffering of enslaved peoples. The concept of high-level evil characters makes slavery more effective as well - who cares if the slaves revolt, when they pose no threat to you or your friends?

    Then there is racism - humans are pretty bad historically for de-humanizing their own kind, I can only imagine how bad it would be for monstrous races. (orc gladiators are iconic, but still pretty bastardly to put a humanoid in that situation when you think about it) And monstrous races, like freind Neogi a minute ago, should have no problem heaping abuse on us ugly bipeds until we learn our place.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:44 No.13072894
    I'm an NE slaver right now, actually. It's legal, after all, in fantasy Rome.
    I'm crafty as fuck, so I never sell a slave without using him to impregnate one of the breeding slaves, thus creating future profits. Slaves can be sold for many different purposes, after all. An elf will be bought for different reasons than an orc. Same with half-humans.
    Humans are a toss-up, so they're always dependable.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072898
    >hurr durr so edgy everyone's a slave to the man

    I was talking more about sweatshops in 3rd world counties that don't have the same human rights laws. You know, the places that make most of our stuff?

    The people living legally in 1st world counties have it made.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072899
    shit like maquiladoras and sweatshops isn't really slavery under any meaningful definition thereof. It's shitty work that doesn't pay enough to put kids through school to get better jobs so there will always be workers, but they are in no way owned by their employer. It's just that they lack the skills and mobility to get hired by an essentially identical company right next door.

    slavery implicitly demands ownership and a right to buy and sell. About the closest you can get is companies creating whole communities and paying their workers in company chits so they can't live anywhere besides company owned housing and can't shop anywhere but the company store. But most places have made that illegal.

    Freeing a sweatshop worker is as simple as getting them fired, or convincing them to quit. But then they're unemployed. It's like if you kill a slaveowner and set the slaves free and then just leave. Fucking lot of good that is going to do them. About all they're free to do is beg.
    >> Fuuuuuuuuck Yooooooooouuuu guy 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072900
    Well, it depends on the kind of slavery you're talking about. Lets use America as an example. Pre-revolution slavery wasn't that bad. While indeed the slave was just that, a slave, it was a pretty good deal. The slave owner was required to take care of the slave, that is provide a roof and food. Considering the times, that was quite a lot one could ask for. Of course the slave had to work for the owner, usually around 6-8 hours, but in his free time he was free to do whatever the hell he wanted. Including work someplace else to earn money. He could also apprentice himself to somebody and learn a trade skill. Usually with the goal of saving enough money to buy there freedom. There were laws against killing slaves. While there were no laws against abuse, it was socially frowned upon the owner to do so. This is the "good" kind of slavery.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072906
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    Slaves can be a good McGuffin.
    Our paladin once rescued a gaggle of slaves, then we had the joy of trying to escort them across dangerous terrain.
    Obnoxious, but turned a "we travel" into an adventure.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072909
    Played in a campaign that touched on slavery. I had a wizard who was in his later years, and bought a slave off the markets after making sure to select one that had not been mistreated in any way.

    Across the course of the campaign, she began to question why I treated her more like family than property. Questions that were dismissed by my grumpy old wizard.

    One day, while organizing my scrolls, she came across a name she hadn't seen before on a letter addressed to me. When she inquired, instead of the grumpy old man routine, I figured I'd explain why I took her in in the first place. The other players were genuinely curious as well, as I'd been dismissing their inquiries into the matter.

    A man who lives for so many years eventually meets somebody he loves. Sometimes, they even get married and have children. And sometimes, these children don't always get happy endings.

    I'd had all this in mind from the beginning, but to make a long story short, I'd used slavery as a means of adopting a child to replace the one I'd lost. Why slavery? Because despite the fact that I was a grumpy mage, I had a kind heart. I chose a girl who hadn't slipped too far down the darker alleys of life, and took her in before anybody had a chance to submit her to horrors other would have to face. I cared for her, and when all was said and done and my wizard was dying of age... she called him "father". Not "master".

    Who says I have to be evil to have a slave? Sometimes, circumstances make all the difference in the world.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:45 No.13072912
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    Cease your syphilitic rambling. Slaves are expensive and problematic. Far from being able to "send them wherever you want," you must assign them only to duties that present no escape or revenge opportunities. You must purchase or abduct them, feed them, train them, house them, guard them, discipline them, control their breeding. They're a tremendous drain on resources.

    A freeman, meanwhile, will beg you for a job, work HARDER if it thinks you might fire it, arrange its own housing and such, improve its skills in hopes of higher wages...

    Really, the cost in coin of "employees" is far less than the cost in resources and aggravation of chattel.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:46 No.13072915

    Make that "but they lack the skills to be hired by anyone EXCEPT a practically identical company next door."
    >> Fuuuuuuuuck Yooooooooouuuu guy 12/08/10(Wed)01:48 No.13072937
    Then slavery as an institution took a turn for the worse and the slavery that most Americans are familiar with started to occur. The work them to death kind of slavery.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:50 No.13072948
    >it was a pretty good deal


    Seriously, are you getting your history from the Southern White Glorious Cultural Heritage textbook? That's some hoary, ancient bullshit you're spouting, and it hasn't been getting truer with time.
    >> Weeabo Pete 12/08/10(Wed)01:50 No.13072951
    Settings with slavery can have some interest fluff-based implications.

    Look at ancient Pompeian Rome: all the wealthy had slaves do the menial labour, resulting in unemployed (and possibly starving) underclasses.

    Look at the drives of the economies, at who supplies slaves, the kinds of roles they are expected to play in society, and how they related to their masters.

    Perhaps a cmapaign where Slaves have Rights is a big part of the moralfag church of the group. Oh, they still feel slavery is a perfectly healthy institution: just so long as the slaves are treated nicely, that's all.

    Perhaps your party is a combination of slaves and masters (the mage is the slave-tutor who educated his master's son, the young fighter).

    just some thoughts
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:52 No.13072970
    I'd say it is all about worker supply. If workers are plentiful, by all means pay a few a pittance and let the rabble fight to replace them when they fall.
    If workers are not in such great supply, slavery can be a decent alternative for many kinds of work. Especially where conditions are favorable (ie. leaving the compound means freezing to death before being eaten by bears, rebellion can be countered by calling and cancelling the food shipment, they need to build their own shelter anyway, and where the slaves pose no physical threat to their masters) why bother paying them?
    >> Fuuuuuuuuck Yooooooooouuuu guy 12/08/10(Wed)01:53 No.13072977
    Jesus fucking Christ. I said Pre-revolution you fucking twat. Learn some god-damn history beyond highschool bullshit. Pre-Revolution, racism also wasn't as severe. It was more of a "poor them for being born inferior" than a "Fucking worthless stupid niggers deserve death after working their ass off." kind of racism.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:55 No.13073005
    I'm reminded of a series of interviews with "sweatshop" workers I heard on NPR a while ago.

    >"So could you leave this job if you wanted to?"
    >"What, and go back to the farm and work myself thin making a tenth of what I do here? We are all glad the factory came, we do not go hungry now if the rain is late, and we have new clothes and televisions."

    3rd world factories aren't up to 1st world living standards, but they're still a big step up from pre-industrial first-world living conditions. People work there voluntarily.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)01:55 No.13073008
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    No worries friend I have a collar that will break there mind and allow them to do any task you ask of them.
    Be it walking to Mordor to get rid of your old jewelry or protecting your spawn.
    And it is at an affordable price for a set of ten.
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    >Believes what he heard on the news
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:01 No.13073066

    If your slaves are trying to escape, it means there are greener pastures to be found, which also means you're a dick of an owner.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:01 No.13073068
    My Shadowrun game is presently centered around a cyberdoc somewhere in the Amazonian rainforests. He kidnaps girls around twelve years of age, stuffs them with cyberwear 'till they have 0.225 Essence, turns them into combat monstrosities, brainwashes them and pairs them up with mages who provide buffing, sensor functions and whatnot, and give them orders. The mages are sent on missions for the parties the guy contracts out to, and they bring the girls along to serve as heavy, HEAVY weapons.

    Half my players lost a character to just one of these. And they were not new characters. These have been played for a while.

    Yeah. The girls are beasts.

    But anyway, kind of related?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:03 No.13073078
    Well when your "Boss" has a tendency to eat your "coworkers" brains I think he is a pretty big dick.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:03 No.13073086
    >he calls NPR news
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:04 No.13073097

    Hah! A clever try, oh sinuous-necked one, but I've had ill luck with such contrivances before. Either the geas is to potent and the slaves are rendered shuffling, clumsy incompetents, or the enchantments need constant readjustment and repair for a "modest service fee," or some charismatic wretch with dreams of freedom and delusions of grandeur learns to subvert the domination and leads a revolt! We ill-need another Gith.

    No, a properly weighted economy is the solution. Let the troublemakers quit their jobs and leave, get out of our way under their own power! May they all die adventuring in some dreary Tomb of Horrors somewhere, and leave us to our productivity.
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    >break there mind
    >there mind
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:05 No.13073103

    The thing is, mass slavery is only really feasible for unskilled labor. And for unskilled labor, you can always just go somewhere and pay people just enough to live on. It costs less than slavery, because it's basically outsourcing the feeding, clothing, housing, etc. of your workers to the free market instead of doing everything yourself and soaking all the costs.

    Plus, sweatshop workers have fewer expenses. You don't have to guard them, and if they get too sick to work, you can just fire them and hire someone else. The cost to you will be the sum total of their training, instead of the cost of a whole slave plus training.

    Additionally, many places with legal slavery will be concerned with excessive slave deaths, whereas in a sweatshop, you can just send them to go fuck off and die somewhere else.

    so if you have a huge influx of captured citizens, just put them in ghettos and put your factories around them.
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    Like this?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:06 No.13073113

    >You can't trust the liberal lamestream media I heard the truth from some guy on the internet
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:07 No.13073124
    I guess Neogi have trouble with our language.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:07 No.13073127
    All of you fools realize nothing!
    Slavery is not about efficiency.
    Slavery is not about loyalty.
    Slavery is not about profit.

    Slavery is about POWER!
    The fact that you hold the life of another, if not dozens of intelligent creatures in your hand and you control them to your every whim!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:08 No.13073137
    In all honesty though, you can't get more liberal than NPR...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:08 No.13073138
    >so if you have a huge influx of captured citizens, just put them in ghettos and put your factories around them.

    So pretty much every dystopian future setting ever then.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:09 No.13073152


    Gunslinger Girls?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:12 No.13073180

    >Lets use America as an example.

    No. Let's use ancient Nubia as an example. Slaves were allowed to participate in the market, own property, and even other slaves. That's more along the lines of the sort of slavery that was common in the pre-industrial world, not the american-style we're familiar with.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:13 No.13073191
    Why would people complain about sweatshops?
    Yeah there shit but so is the country your putting them in its not like your going to give everyone white labcoats and air filters when they have aids.
    The only thing people are getting butthurt about is the fact that people are making money of it.
    They wouldn't be complaining if these people died farming dirt for a nickel every week.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:14 No.13073210

    Yeah, Stossel had a bit about that in one of his books. The idea that it's slave labor shows how clueless privileged Westerners are and is also pretty insulting to anyone who was ever actually enslaved.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:15 No.13073214

    Oh, you really can. There's plenty of far wacko territory to explore. NPR and the BBC World News are just liberal compared to the average American.

    But even so, examine the thesis here. The liberal line is "big corporations bad, don't exploit the poor third-worlders," right? They ran a report about how, to their surprise, a preponderance of workers in 3rd-world factories were glad to have their jobs and said their lives had improved once the factories came to town.


    NPR not liberal, bur rather is secretly shilling for the corporations


    NPR discovered a story that defied their expectations and political bias, and decided that journalistic integrity demanded they report it anyway.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:15 No.13073218
    Slaves owning other slaves? Wait, so your master told you to do something, and you got your own slave to do it?
    What? Is that how it worked, or am I missing something?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:15 No.13073220

    In our heart of hearts I'm sure we just hate rich white people.

    You see if there was a bootilicious black woman in power I don't think I'd complain as much, especially if she showed off and gave lap dances or blow jobs to anyone who asked for one.

    But, since the people in power are fucking us, we tend to throw the 'sympathy burden' onto people who are actually suffering so we can rise up.
    >> Fuuuuuuuuck Yooooooooouuuu guy 12/08/10(Wed)02:16 No.13073229
    You are indeed correct. I was just using America as an example that there were more "kinds" of slavery then antebellum slavery in the south.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:17 No.13073238
    Welcome to Neogi society.
    Would you like to take out a loan?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:18 No.13073261
    I was thinking of making it fairly common in the desert area and some cities of my campaign since I'm going for that classic fantasy feel. It was also my intention to allow PCs to sell others into slavery should they desire to without the threat of alignment change unless it's deliberately a bad buyer (ie girls to fat sweaty guys) After all, how are criminals gonna work off their debt to society?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:22 No.13073296
    Enjoy someone in your party trying to sell the bard.
    >> sage Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:24 No.13073315
    this thread is bad and you should feel bad
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:26 No.13073333
    Hurr, after this group of people came here generations ago, conquered our peoples, destroyed our native cultures, decimated our ecosystems, set up their ravenous endlessly thirsting systems to favor those who acquiesce (and killed those brave worthies who resisted via treachery, disease, and later sheer numbers), and made it impossible to survive without their economic method (which means we work in sweatshops/the mines/farming while they work at a desk in an air conditioned office) I sure don't want to lose my job here [and thus starve, because my people were F*CKED by the goddamn bastards ages ago] dur. There I spelled it for you.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:26 No.13073336
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    If they think of it, fine with me. I'd probably set a limit on how many slaves can be sold, or one must acquire a license to sell them. That way the party isn't getting infinite gold
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    You guys sound like the Asari...but not hot...so this is UNFORGIVEABLE.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:29 No.13073364
    Yet somehow farmers could earn a reasonable living for thousands of years previous. GEE I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:30 No.13073368

    Hmm... is selling scores of people into slavery that much worse than racking up huge bodycounts? And money doesn't need to be a problem; when you're figuring out how much treasure to include in an encounter, include the retail value of the foes in your considerations.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:30 No.13073370

    Nobody said it was a great system.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:32 No.13073388

    Holy shit, you're retarded.
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    ...at a much lower standard of living than with sweatshop labor. We ALL already went through all this with the Industrial Revolution.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:32 No.13073391
    >earn a reasonable living

    Yeah, by fucking neolithic standards. If you have 8 children, and only 6 die of starvation, parasites, and preventable disease, you've got a stable subsistence society! Why would you ever want a better standard of living?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:36 No.13073429
    that baby looks like grandma, sans wrinkles D:
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    What happens when the slaves refuse to leave the party alone?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:37 No.13073435
    That's what I figure, at least they get to live and perhaps get a second chance at life. I'm not going to tell them "HEY! You should sell people!" It's merely open if they think of it. And it's not like they remain slaves permanently, just have to work off a set amount of time. Probably only a year or two unless it was a really bad crime
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:38 No.13073449
    It treats it realistically in Its campaigns. Feeble human psychology often necessitates a form of double-thought wherein the meat knows its practice is immoral but does not act in the name of convenience. The meat believes it is a moral creature but retains slaves and does not recognize them as deserving of its own rights.

    Its players became offended when seeing slavery on occasion. It turned on the first to complain, the peon fast food worker, and devoured him to set an example to the others. It has had no complaints since.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:40 No.13073458

    On the other hand, the PCs will need to worry about the revenge problem.

    You know, the one where everyone they've ever sold cooperates in a breakout and comes to hunt them down.

    Which could be pretty freakin' awesome.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:43 No.13073483
    ....my God.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:45 No.13073496
    Everyone, all sold to different places, does so?
    With what, magic?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:46 No.13073504
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    Step 1. Buy a slave who has no idea what it means to be treated with humanity.

    Step 2. Be the nicest person ever. I don't mean don't be a typical slave owner, I mean literally apologize for everything and make sure all your actions are with good intention towards said slave.

    Step 3. If possible, free slave. If for contractual reasons you can't just free them, give them a task that would essentially equal freedom.

    Step 4. Continue with Step 2.

    Step 5. ??????

    Step 6. Boyfriend or Girlfriend with out having to do anything except be nice and paying a sum of money (only once though)

    Step 7. Boner intensity.

    Step 8. Sex, all the time.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:47 No.13073514
    How likely is it going to happen though? Most PCs pass through towns, so unless they are really recognizable which is probably likely, they'll be forgotten. But you are right, it definitely sets up a possible future nemesis
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:47 No.13073519
    The laws of dramatic necessity triumph logic and common sense.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:48 No.13073535
    again, dramatic necessity. note how in the Walking Dead the characters are attacked by a horde of undead in the middle of fucking nowhere dozens of miles from any population centers. DM gonna getcha. Just hope he hasn't given them too many cleric or druid levels that they somehow learned in slavery.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:49 No.13073544
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:50 No.13073550

    One of their first sales breaks free, starts hunting for vengeance. Follows the party's trail, which includes the other slavers they've sold to. Frees other people they've sold to help him on his vengeance quest. By the time he catches up, he's rolling with a solid 45% of all the people the PCs have ever fought.

    >"You are in the street. There are orcs coming out of an ally ahead of you. There are thri-kreen on the roof. There is a sorceress levitating to the south. There are dwarves coming up the steps from a basement room. There are rough-looking humans with spiked chains behind you. There are a pair of tieflings in an open window above you, casting a spell. There are four elves with longbows. They look familiar."
    >"Who, the elves?"
    >"All of them. They all look familiar."
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:50 No.13073553
    Most slavery (done right) is regulated by the government, so a slave has a set task like house keeping, manual labor, or a nurse/nanny. While there are definitely the sex slave trade out there, it's very likely that it's black marketed or laws are fart thin in that city
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:50 No.13073556
    And that stupid shit turned me off it.
    If all plausibility goes out the window, I guess I'm actually Elminster in disguise.
    >> τιτυs !titusGG64g 12/08/10(Wed)02:51 No.13073562
    I think Stockholm Syndrome only applies if the captor is deliberately abusive or neglectful to the captive.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:51 No.13073563
    In Rome, slaves did whatever job you gave them.
    If that job was sucking your dick, so be it.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:51 No.13073565

    Slaves are prone to stockholm syndrome, which leads them to displace aggression...often onto people like you who are acting so nice that you look weak.

    Enjoy your problem child who is as likely to bite as she is perform fellatio on you.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:52 No.13073581
    >Enjoy your problem child who is as likely to bite as she is perform fellatio on you.

    You say that like it's a problem.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:52 No.13073586

    Yes, they can already have this from their previous masters. Stockholm Syndrome is DISPLACED AGGRESSION and LEARNED HELPLESSNESS rather than WELP I LOVE YOU WORLD'S GREAT ISN'T IT MISTA J?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:53 No.13073590

    When your cock is bleeding all inside her mouth...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:55 No.13073607
    >bleeding all inside her mouth..

    Oh god i'm so hard now
    >> τιτυs !titusGG64g 12/08/10(Wed)02:56 No.13073615
    Ah, sorry, not deliberate neglect or abuse, but rather a) domination and the everpresent threat of death or annihilation, b) isolation from differing points of view, and c) small or no acts of kindness, balanced out with little to no actual abuse (lack of abuse gets equated to kindness). Your mind fucks itself for your own protection.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:56 No.13073620
    Hmm... considering slavery in my PF game. Last campaign, slaves were being kidnapped and bought off of traders to be sacrificed by the dozens. The party came upon rooms literally stacked high with the decaying corpses of former townsfolk.

    We whooped his ass, and then again in court.

    Then he turned into some sort of skeletal construct. So we delivered a third ass-whooping. That one killed him.

    ...that said, I'm considering getting my character to go and find some. Other options are undead (unreliable) and constructs (expensive), so taking in a couple slaves, clothing them, supplying their needs, basically maintaining them as he would other military equipment, this could be a viable option. What he needs is people to haul, place, and rig bombs. No combat required.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:56 No.13073621
    Why was I reading that in Harley Quinn's voice in my initial readthrough of the sentence before realizing it ended with "Mista J"?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:57 No.13073631

    I actually love it when the GM brings back old NPCs and fragments of plotlines we'd forgotten. Gives the world a sense of continuity.

    Considering the way leveling works, a fight against a shitload of people you beat seperately long ago could be a fun, level-appropriate challenge, and could certainly be memorable.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:57 No.13073632
    Too bad my slaves have some rights. Well, depends on the area, there's definitely gonna be some "we don't give a fuck what you do to them" cities out there. My aim is to call them something different, and those are probably taken from other nations during times of war
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:58 No.13073636
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    I suppose you're one of the better kinds of psychopath I've ever heard of...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)02:58 No.13073639

    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:02 No.13073682
    Step 1: Buy hot slave girl.
    Step 2:Break her in.
    Step 3: Fuck her in any way you like.

    It's not that complicated.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:03 No.13073691
    File deleted.
    I was suggesting a way that is less likely to horrify your playgroup.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:05 No.13073704
    Here's a case of indentured servatude that brought together the party.

    So I play this gigantic orc barbarian from the Northern lands. He is sleeping peacefully in the third story of a city inn. It has a nice view of the stables and wagons outside.

    But his dreams haunted him. There were kittens nibbling on his ears. He tried to ask them to play nice but they would not come off. So he tried to grab them and take them off but they kept coming back on. Eventually, he flipped into rage mode and grabbed them and threw them off. Turns out, he grabbed his pillow and threw it out the window. However, in his delerium of waking up (and his low wisdom and intelligence), for some ungodly reason... he thought he threw the kittens out the window.

    He liked kittens.

    So, to save the kittens, he immediately crashed out the window, surprising his cohorts. He promptly fell three stories into a wagon, owned by a rich noblemen. Who happened to be another PC. Now, the one overlap of both this society and the orc's Northern society is that one may either duel or do work when things are accidently broken.

    The Nobleman, flustered, immediately started screaming duel until the orc stood up in all his barbarian glory. Then he stopped screaming duel. The orc turned out to be very friendly and even offered to do work. He didn't mean to break the wagon. He just wanted to save kittens.

    It was then that the Indentured Servatude officially began, and that was how the party got together.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:09 No.13073739

    The way you mentioned is far more sociopathic and involves psychological manipulation that might as well be mete leaves.

    Basically, why even call it anything but wicked domination when you control someone's will and try to PRETEND that you're not.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:10 No.13073749
    File deleted.
    Why not?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:11 No.13073758
    it can get shit done, provide drama with revolutionaries etc, can polarise an otherwise likable BBEG if the party is morally opposed to slavery, it can add some duplicity to a slick bad guy who hides it well (see Seymour Guado etc) and so
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:14 No.13073788

    I hate people like you.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:17 No.13073808
    Kisses? What? No something like thrall, and those have no rights compared to regular slaves. They are owned by the town/village perpetually and can be done with however the leaders want. Gotta sacrifice something to their gods
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:17 No.13073813
    We love everybody.

    Whether they like it or not.
    >> τιτυs !titusGG64g 12/08/10(Wed)03:18 No.13073817
    Isn't he pulling off lawful evil?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:18 No.13073821
    It's a fucking roleplaying game. Why do anything retard? Maybe my character is a socially awkward bard or an ugly barbarian, whose solitude has caused him to seek these extreme measures of finding love?

    Why slaves? Doesn't have to be slaves. He could misguidedly fall for a prostitute who will never love him, or meet his end with the false promises of a succubus. It honestly doesn't matter because it's a FUCKING GAME.

    I hate people like you, who take pen and paper RPGs as serious fucking business.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:19 No.13073826
    Well damn, that sucks. But it's not like we'd end up becoming friends anyways, let alone play a game involving slaves together.
    >> Asmund !!pEdNCt94tPq 12/08/10(Wed)03:21 No.13073832
    My slaves can buy themselves back at x5 the price their master paid for them, to help compensate them for the cost of clothes and feeding until that time. No it is not my obligation to pay them anything. They work whenever there´s something to do. Otherwise they are free to do as they please. The entire region considers slavery legal, their slave collar is large and impossible to remove without tools. Fashion demands everyone keeps shoulders and neck exposed. If you hide your neck, you are assumed to be a fugitive slave.

    Slaves are free to work on whatever they want while they have free time. A farmer doesnt works ALL the time. Sure, he has to plow the fields and plant the seeds, but theres this time between seeding and harvesting when hes free to do whatever, as well as during winter. He can carve, build, or whatever to earn money for himself.

    When he has the money, he can buy himself free and be accepted as a member of society,

    Want freedom? work for it, you lazy ass slave
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:21 No.13073833
    lol, where are the janitors when you need them.
    But apart from this/these asshole/s an awesome thread so far. Bump and Archive.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:23 No.13073842
    What the fuck is wrong with /tg/ tonight. And this isn't even new.

    When did night /tg/ become so fucking awful?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:24 No.13073852
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    >Visit /tg/ late at night
    >See this thread

    Where the mods is at?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:27 No.13073868
    >I need an adult to make this webpage safe for me to read!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:28 No.13073873
    I have no idea.
    It's like all the shitposters /tg/ has ever had figured out that during the day their posts disappear in half a minute, and now flock to /tg/ from midnight to like 6 am PST to shit it the fuck up.

    Remember when night /tg/ was good /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:28 No.13073874
    Get over it, we're talking about legitimate campaigning, well some of us. There's the guy talking about how to boink a slave, but that's beyond the point
    >> Story of Your Enslavement Asmund !!pEdNCt94tPq 12/08/10(Wed)03:29 No.13073879
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:32 No.13073908
    >You must be 18 or older to browse and post on this website.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:34 No.13073915
    >I hate Traditional Games.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:34 No.13073920
    I saw a tour of the Foxconn Dormitories [you now the apple sweatshop in china where its so bad they all kill themselves]
    Although the have to share rooms:
    Its nicer than my parents house, nicer than my college dorms, nicer than pretty much everywhere I've lived. Hell the whole complex looks a lot better than some towns I've known.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:35 No.13073929
    >people derailing a legitimate /tg/ thread
    >">I hate Traditional Games."
    >I hate Traditional Games.
    >> Asmund !!pEdNCt94tPq 12/08/10(Wed)03:36 No.13073932
    Well I made a contribution towards it here:

    Also, a story. Years ago, I was GMing in the WotC channels, when the party was getting ready to attack a gnoll fortress. The MM at the time said the gnolls kept slaves with a 3:1 rate to their own population, so i mentioned that the gnolls had a lot of slaves, and the players began planning how to rescue the slaves or protect them during the fight.

    Then a WizO, the mods of the WotC channel, dropped by and told me i was banned unless i stopped mentioning slavery.

    "But, gnolls are evil. They have slaves, the party wants to rescue them"
    WizO: "Slavery is racist and evil, you cannot speak of it on a family friendly site like this"
    "But, WotC printed in the MM that gnolls have slaves, Your company brought it up, and we are trying to rescue them! isint that good!?"
    WizO: "No! is slavery, you cant talk about it!"

    So we left and started playing on mIRC and eventually OPENrpg.

    This is a explanation of slavery through humanity´s history.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)03:41 No.13073965
    I would have demanded proof of someone being offended, if no one was, where's the harm?
    >> Asmund !!pEdNCt94tPq 12/08/10(Wed)03:48 No.13074031
    I said something like this. The conversation was pretty long, but I tried to shorten it up

    "Someone could come in and see this"
    "See people fighting to free slaves?"
    "Yes! see the word slave!"
    "You... you kidding me, right?"
    >> Asmund !!pEdNCt94tPq 12/08/10(Wed)03:50 No.13074043
    Basically he was worried because "someone could come in and get offended"
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:04 No.13074146

    Farming has always been shitty work. Only with modern methods are there higher paying skilled jobs in farming, and even those aren't exactly top on the list of get-rich-quick schemes.

    Substance farming is often brutal. If you fuck up or there is a drought or natural disaster there is a very real chance you can starve to death. The odds are in your favor that you will not starve to death, and substance farming is, if anything a tried and proven method for getting food on average, but its pastoral charm is pretty much nonexistant when it's your sorry ass pulling weeds all day every day.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:13 No.13074203
    Why slavery? Let's see, I can work the fields myself (no, it sucks), pay out the ass to hire people to work it for me (and they'll keep demanding raises, breaks, etc.), or I can just buy a bunch of slaves, let them do the shit jobs, and beat them when they complain. If they die of exhaustion, heat stroke, malnutrition, or beatings, I can go out and buy/capture a new one.

    Sexslaves? Train 'em properly so they have no skills outside of pleasing me and make sure they know they're useless; their only means of survival is keeping me happy, running away means they'll just die of ignorance in the wilderness or get caught and given an even worse fate. Sexslaves are exclusive to you, so you don't have to worry about diseases or raising other men's children.

    If slavery was financially unsustainable or impractical, WHY DID EVERY CIVILIZATION ON EARTH PRACTICE SLAVERY AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER? Why does it continue today in Africa and the Middle East, or as sweatshop labor just about everywhere?

    Slavery exists because you can treat people like property and make a profit off of it. Slavery never ended because it didn't make financial sense, it only ended because of moral indignation or slave revolts.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:20 No.13074228

    Throughout history, slavery usually started like this:

    "Fuck, this work sucks! It's hard as shit! You know what, next time we catch a bunch of those assholes from the neighboring village trying to raid our shit, let's just keep the fuckers in chains and make THEM do this shit for us. We don't even have to pay them for the work, just feed them barely enough to stay alive."

    "Dang, she's hot. Hey hottie, wanna fuck?" "No." "Fine. I'll offer your dad a bunch of money to get him to let me have you." "No, you can't buy my daughter."

    *stabs dad, takes all his valuables, burns the house down, kidnaps his daughter, and spends the next thirty years raping her regularly and forcing her to push out seven of his children.*

    "It's good to be the king."

    "What's a king?"

    "It's a word I made up that means you're all my bitches. Now get back to work, I want a feast tonight and you got some wheat to harvest."
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:24 No.13074244

    >implying you wouldn't pay out the ass to clothe, feed, maintain, and guard slaves, who historically do even shittier work than hired help.

    Hiring minimal income unskilled workers is like slavery, except instead of taking care of all their shit yourself, you pay them a pittance to take care of their own shit. It's considerably cheaper and less of a hassle, especially on the large scale.

    Of course, you have the equally viable serfdom system, where you just own land and collect rent from the people who use it in the form of whatever they make. And I'm pretty sure it's in the form of a fixed amount, so if there's a drought or whatever, they have to go into debt with you or fucking starve.

    Serfdoms never get any development in fantasy games. You generally just accept that there are a bunch of shitshoveling level 1 commoners milling about in fields and move on to the interesting part of town. Slaves get rescued, but there's no help for the working man.

    Hell, for that matter, not even Marx cared about them. His "working class" was the factory workers and other lower class city dwellers, not the lower class tenant farmers. Throughout history, fucks have seldom been given about the serfs.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:27 No.13074263
    Industrial processes become more efficient, AFTER you get over the initial hump of them being less so.

    That's actually part of the reason Asia didn't have a native industrial boom like Europe did - their methods for farming, etc were TOO efficient, and so there was never a reason to switch over to mechanized versions originally.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:36 No.13074305

    That's only because Marx's theories weren't intended to be applied to feudal societies. Marx's communism as a step to be taken AFTER capitalism; that is, a society was supposed to reach capitalism first, and then move on into communism.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)04:43 No.13074332
    Uh....there are farmers in an industrial society. In the 19th century, most people were rural. Everywhere on earth. Feudalism is something else entirely.

    Peasants were always conservative because it was in their interest to be so. Generally Kings were the enemy of their oppressors: the nobility. Leftists, on the other hand, represent the bankers and the merchants.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)05:44 No.13074652

    NPR seems like it TRIES to be as objective as possible.

    It does the best job of that that I've seen from a news organization.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)06:03 No.13074728

    You have know idea what "Leftists" actually stand for, do you?

    And you probably haven't read anything Marx ever wrote, eh?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)06:12 No.13074769
    I played an indentured servant in an RT game once. He was a Deathworlder who got snatched up by some slavers, shoved into the blood pits (where he promptly killed the fuck out of everything they threw at him) before being bought up as a bodyguard by the Rogue Trader character, who was passing at the time.

    As far as he's concerned, she took him away from a whole lifetime of shit that wanted to horribly disembowel him and then gave him food, shelter, a name, and most importantly of all: A big gun and a fucking awesome hat. He'd take a bullet for her without hesitation (and on one memorable occasion, has taken a powersword to the chest for her).
    The fact that she occasionally shouts abuse and throws things at him when she's in a bad mood doesn't phase him at all, because frankly, throwing knives hurt less than serrated claws.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/10(Wed)06:17 No.13074795
    Agreed- even when they fired what's-his-face for racist statements on Fox News, they covered the news regarding some people's outrage against them because of it.

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