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    58 KB Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:34 No.12612385  
    Grimdarkification thread.

    Grimdark Harry Potter:
    Hundreds of years after the events depicted in the J.K. Rowling books, the eventual progress of muggle technology leads to the discovery of 'magic' and disclosure of wizards everywhere. Furious at being ignored by their magic-using brethren, muggles attempt to exterminate wizard-kind using technology able to manipulate magical energies.

    After many years of bitter conflict, the wizarding population is reduced to living in the shadows, their magical abilities no match for the progressed science of the muggles, who were ignored for all of known history.

    The muggles then expand unto the stars using their magic fueled technology, thus beginning the Imperium of Man.

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:36 No.12612395
    Actually it looks like you just shoehorned 40k into HP.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:36 No.12612397
    Warhammer 40k: It's exactly the same, except now everything is painted BLACK.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:39 No.12612413
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    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:43 No.12612435
    Grimdark OP:

    OP is a faggot and has Aids

    Pool's closed.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:43 No.12612440
    Black and RED!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:43 No.12612444
    >ITT: Shoehorning 40k into things and calling it Grimdarkification

    40k is not the shining triumphant example of darker and edgier, its what happens when you take it so far beyond the extreme that it parodies itself.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:45 No.12612461
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    >Grimdark Harry Potter
    Holly fuck, it's gonna be awes...

    >Turn it into 40k
    ... Nope
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:45 No.12612462
    Grimdark spongebob. I challenge you to do it. Bonus points if no 40k faggotry is involved.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:49 No.12612484
    >Grimdark Harry Potter:
    Hundreds of years after the events depicted in the J.K. Rowling books, the eventual progress of muggle technology leads to the discovery of 'magic' and disclosure of wizards everywhere. Furious at being ignored by their magic-using brethren, muggles attempt to exterminate wizard-kind using technology able to manipulate magical energies.

    After many years of bitter conflict, the wizarding population is reduced to living in the shadows, their magical abilities no match for the progressed science of the muggles, who were ignored for all of known history and how it involved the Ultramarines.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:51 No.12612506
    Grimdark Atlas Shurugged:
    The Goverment have been leaching the entrepeneurs from all over the world, to feed the Legions of Parasites. The state keeps them in anger against the ones who make the money, so they can control them better.
    But after centuries of opression, a desperate man has decided to make a pact with a power he cannot control, and the bourgeoisie has started a killing spree against those who kept them under the boot.
    Now, no one is safe, they'll find you in the most brutal payback ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:53 No.12612519
    Okay, so when did Grimdark become synonymous with "Crappy Action Flick Hook"?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:54 No.12612528

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just Atlas Shrugged?
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)14:57 No.12612550

    You've never read the US Army/SAS vs. Harry Potter fanfic, have you?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:57 No.12612564
    Ayn Rand's corpse would charge us for using it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)14:59 No.12612573
    I hate Ayn Rand.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:01 No.12612604

    Dude Harry Potter is already pretty Grim Dark. They give deadly weapons to 11 year olds, the school they attend is notoriously unsafe, their major sport is played 100 feet up in the air on a fragile broomstick with 2 self propelled balls of solid iron. No one above the age of 17 is any help at all to the kids when they need it. A immortal psychotic killer is after you, and you HAVE to kill him or be killed yourself. The world is being taken over by his followers, and no one belives anything you say. The government body is totally corrupt, hell they sent monsters that feed on good memories and souls to silence you after you tried to warn them that the Dark Lord was back, then they sent the same person who tried to kill you to make sure no one learns how to defend themselves against dark magic. And she ends up taking over the school. And then your godfather, who was sent to hell on earth for 12 years because no one could be bothered to try some simple divination spells or administer some truth potion, gets tossed through a portal to the realm of the dead. Ohh and you were heavily abused by your relatives before you went to Hogwarts, they sicced a fucking dog on you, regularly starved you, and your aunt swung a frying pan at your head. Do I need to say any more?

    Also your whole scenario for muggles being pissed at the wizarding population would last all of 12 minutes till the oblivators showed up. You know, the guys responsible for erasing the memories of muggles, making sure exactly this kind of scenario doesn't happen. Erase the muggles memory of having invented their miracle magic detector, confiscate it, and problem solved.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:02 No.12612607
    Grimdark Spongebob:
    After studying years of aggressive business theory and social darwinist tactics, Squidward manipulates Mr. Krabs into expanding his restaurant chain aggressively, with Squidward as regional manager, and Mr. Krabs as CEO. The company continues to grow exponentially, driving Plankton's competing restaurant, and all other restaurants for that matter, into utter bankruptcy.

    Squidward, however, approaches Plankton in his time of need and cuts him a deal. Mr. Krabs is framed for tax fraud, and Plankton becomes the new CEO of Krusty Krab International. Aggressive business expansion begins throughout the entire ocean, and Krusty Krab becomes the most profitable business anywhere.

    However, due to Plankton's evil tendencies and shrewd business model, massive corners are cut in the production of krabby patties, and as a result, the food contains a multitude of toxins, through which continued exposure begins to mutate the consuming fish populations.

    In the surface world, humans in predominantly seafood-based cultures begin feeling the effects of consuming the toxic fish, and many become so sick they eventually die.

    Plankton and Squidward use their amassed wealth to seize control of entire ocean governments, and now control absolutely everything.

    Where does spongebob fit in with all this? He was probably fired shortly after Squidward's takeover and moved back home with his parents. Patrick subsequently died because he was too stupid to feed himself without instruction from Spongebob.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:03 No.12612620
    >US Army/SAS vs. Harry Potter fanfic
    do tell...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:04 No.12612631
    Oblivators... more like PLOTLivators
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:05 No.12612637

    I dunno, I'm guessing its some /k/ommando fapping over how great the military is as they effortlessly kill everyone at Hogwarts despite the canon stating tech doesn't work at the school or the region around it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:06 No.12612642

    Ohh and also, what the hell is the US army doing in Scotland?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:07 No.12612644

    When you take a step back, it's really apparent how fucking stupid the world of Harry Potter really is.

    I mean, this is seriously some plot-hole ridden mary-sue DERP tier shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:07 No.12612649
    please tell me you have a link.
    this would improve my day very much
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:09 No.12612654
    Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff has more of a coherent plot than Harry Potter.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:09 No.12612660
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    >40kid calling Harry Potter stupid.

    Ok man, hows the God Emperor doing? Still stuck on that throne? How about I like what I like and you like what you like.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:10 No.12612663
    Getting chopped to death by angry highlanders
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:11 No.12612679
    makes sense
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)15:13 No.12612690

    Killing giant spiders with .50 cals mounted on jeeps and Harry with a grenade.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:13 No.12612691
    The world of 40k hinges on keeping the masses ignorant to protect them and leaving a near-dead/dead/long dead pseudo god in charge of all of mankind.

    Sure, it makes sense in context, but 40k isn't the most coherent place either. It's like the Spanish Inquisition as documented by a bunch of ten year olds obsessed with start wars and similar works.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:15 No.12612703
    This. There are settings that are much darker and actually send a chill down your spine. 40k is basically a sitcom with millions dying in the background. It has no sense, no meaning, and isn't even really that bleak and hopeless.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:16 No.12612710
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    Oh fuck yes
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:16 No.12612712

    Harry Potter is to fantasy what I think Deadpool is to comic books. It's everything you want in the genre but couldn't have because it was too cliche, overpowered, or silly. However, you overlook it all because you got all your favorite ice cream flavors in one bowl and don't give a shit if it makes sense. Not only that, but it's at least compelling enough and the characters are likable enough that you want to know what happens....unlike some fantasy lit that is downright boring to read and we only seem to suffer it because it's "required reading"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:17 No.12612717
    >tech doesn't work
    what exactly is 'tech'? Do chemicals react the way they should do? That's all you need to slaughter the entire compound.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:18 No.12612724
    >Harry Potter is to fantasy what I think Deadpool is to comic books.

    There was that Space Biker dude....
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:18 No.12612726
    GrimDark Spongebob.

    It was an age of wonder, as man returned to the water of their birth, and left behind the tired notions of land empires.

    The crowding of all available, livable landmass had become too much to bear for the struggling world economy and the fragile tensions of the Globally United Nations. Until the first Self-Contained Underwater Habitation Units, or SCU-HUs, were completed. A reliable, safe, miniature city encased in metal and glass, on the bottom of the ocean floor. It was a dream come true, a miracle solution for the world's problems. Finally man had the entire ocean to colonize for themselves.

    It wasn't long until the private sector jumped on this monumental opportunity for profit. Privates owned and operated SCU-HUs became all the rage. At first they were little more than private resorts and villas reserved for the creme de la creme of society, playgrounds for the richest and most influential people and groups, similar to man-made resort islands of the past.

    But eventually the technology became so cheap, so easy to manufacture, and as such, so accessible, that pre-fabbed underwater cities were being dropped onto the ocean floor by the hundreds each year. It wasn't long before the entire ocean floor was quickly becoming covered in man's greatest creation.

    Humanity, by its very nature, did not stop to consider the ramifications of its actions. The private companies and government organizations did not care about anything but meeting quotas and expanding profit margins. The clamoring masses cared only about having well-made, affordable housing. No one even thought to consider the effects this obscene level of expansionism would have on the local flora and fauna. And the ones who were affected the worst? The poor souls who had claimed the land under the seas as theirs first.
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)15:19 No.12612730

    Man, that was years ago, now I need to find that link.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:19 No.12612731
    I'm pretty sure there's some sort of spell to filter out toxic chemicals.
    What self respecting wizard wouldn't know "Clear Air" or "Breath Filter" or something similar?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:19 No.12612734
    Eventually, open flat ocean floor became prime real estate. It was inevitable that the corporations would set their sights on Bikini Bottom. Many were forced out of their homes, the laws of the surface and of humanity not applying to these underdwellers. After some public outcry from left-wing blue-earth sympathizers, the corporations began providing offers to buy out land owned by the citizens of Bikini Bottom. They would pay them a measly sum for their homes so that they might demolish them. Then the water dwellers would be given tiny one room apartments that they would have to share with as many as three different families. In a display of great generosity, these displaced creatures would be given menial low paying jobs, often as exterior maintenance or cleaning workers. Some even found spots on underwater construction crews, paving the way for more humans to settle ontop of their neighbors and friends.It would be decades before any legislature concerning fairness when dealing with "Native Oceanites" would even be considered. In the mean time, they would work like slaves.

    Those that were not so lucky fled to the darkest depths of the ocean, where surviving proved to be a constant struggle. Against all odds, they managed to band together to form crude parodies of society and civilization. Little more than tribes living out of the husks of conquered sea-creatures.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:20 No.12612736

    Such harsh living naturally lead to the by-product of barbaric and unlawful elements. Nomadic bands of raiding parties began to form, at first only stealing from supply trains or looting storage facilities. But eventually they grew stronger and bolder. They began raiding entire cities, arming themselves with weapons stolen from sunken or defunct military craft.

    These bands of villainous underwater pirates eventually would grow to become the scourge of all humanity dwelling beneath the waves, and the very mention of their scarred and eyepatch wearing leader would instill gasps of shock and cries of fright.

    The Dread Pirate SpongeRoberts.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:22 No.12612748
    "Pray that death take you peacefully, as his spatula will show you no mercy."

    Coming to Theaters, Winter 2012.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:27 No.12612805
    i'm talking about combustion and explosion. If you have them then you have things that propel metal shards forward, and things that cause other things to burn really quickly, even under water.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:30 No.12612835

    He, if the Wizards will it, even water clocks won't work. It's fucking magic.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:30 No.12612848
    They have kids with thermobaric bomb launchers in their hands.
    Now, tell me how the almighty abrahams is able to stop a fucking spell and can just destroy the castle with his 50cal..
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:35 No.12612883
    Mundane vs Wizard comes down to who has the higher initiative roll.
    Rowling herself said a human with a handgun could've theoretically killed Voldemort if he had the jump on it.

    A muggle could win. A wizard could win. It's all a case of reaction. If the pistol beats the swish and flick, anything is possible.

    Now, this is regarding on the street battles. In a place like Hogwarts, the muggle is at a severe disadvantage because that place is like fucking engineered to be magic stomping ground 101.

    ...All that above and this "Military vs Wizard" talk makes me want to play an X-COM like where you hunt wizards and shit.
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)15:36 No.12612894

    That's why they tac-nuked it in the fanfic.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:37 No.12612911
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    Grimdark Toy Story:
    A group of toys, enraged at their owner growing up and ignoring them, launch a complex campaign to ruin their owner's life and drive him slowly insane.
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)15:39 No.12612933

    I'm looking, do bear in mind that this was like 4 years ago, I don't even know what happened to the guy that was writing it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:41 No.12612956
    part of the harry potter masquerade is because them muggles win

    There's very few wizards, and Rowling stated 1 on 1 a guy with a shotgun beats the average wizard;

    Sure guys like Voldemord would take a team of highly trained specialists to take out, especially if he'd become master of the elder wand, but they can't heal death and a sniper can blow out some wizards brains if he stands still long enough (I know snipers usually go for bodyshots but on wizards it wouldn't work because of healing spells)

    and its only electronics that don't work on hogwards, a thermonuclear explosive would still work, maybe require a human to set it off with lack of electronics, but it would still blow if it reached critical mass
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:42 No.12612963
    what they did to sid basically
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:43 No.12612976
    All credibility lost.

    I hate stories where the solution to everything is to nuke it. I mean fuck, we haven't used nukes in YEARS because of all the litigation and paperwork and shit you have to jump through just to THINK about using them.

    Sorry. Personal pet pevee.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:44 No.12612980
    actually no there's a couple of rules to which magic is bound

    they can be circumvented or subverted but they can't be ignored and elementary physics seems to be something they can bend but not shut out all together in an area without focusing on 1 aspect and a limited number of objects
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:45 No.12612991
    well hogwards isn't that big a conventional explosive would most likely work

    failing that, napalm
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:47 No.12613006
    grim dark candyland needs to be redone because the last one was wiped from the internet
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:47 No.12613012

    This is about fapping to your father's huge explosive cock, not about common hetero sense, man!

    Get in line here!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:47 No.12613019
    Grimdarking something up is easy

    I want a noblebright version of 40k
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:48 No.12613023
    I would probably point out that the architecture of hogwarts is complete shenanigans and it is probably held together magically, disregarding all rules of forensics.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:48 No.12613026
    Nah, fuck that. We need to make sure there's absolutely NO failings in whiping Hogwarts out.
    Fuck anything with fancy tech behind it. Get the cannons and catapults ready.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:49 No.12613035
    why not just drop Kharn in?
    he's immune to magic
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:49 No.12613036
    >Harry Potter is to fantasy what I think Deadpool is to comic books. It's everything you want in the genre but couldn't have because it was too cliche, overpowered, or silly. However, you overlook it all because you got all your favorite ice cream flavors in one bowl and don't give a shit if it makes sense.

    That's a pretty good analogy for it. I enjoy the series, but I don't expect it to have iron-clad plotlines or anything of the sort. I mean, it stars an 11 year old wizard for shit's sake, and the magic displayed in nearly half of the series is kind of fluff and silly. (Until you get to shit like Obliviate and Sectumsempra and the Forbidden Curses. Even then the "good wizards" combat shit like that with pretty goofy spells. Almost every fight in HP can be boiled down to "who got off the Disarming Charm first".)

    It's also got some surprisingly grimdark moments, even the typical Grimdark To The Point of Absurdity, otherwise known as almost the entirety of the last book.

    ...although, getting your throat ripped out by a giant fucking snake is tres manly.
    >> Omegon 10/29/10(Fri)15:51 No.12613050
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    Ok, so
    How about a grimdark Disney?
    Pic related
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:53 No.12613065
    thats why I said, failing that: napalm

    while they can cast spells that make them immune to effects of fire, I'd wager most students wouldn't recall that spell quick enough to not have their wands destroyed by the fireball

    and the fire immunity spell worked perfectly on witch burnings but it might not completely work on inhaling superheated gass

    and even if hogwards survives a conventional explosive, the shockwave will still kill peeps nearby.

    And remember: most of their technology seems stuck a few centuries back and a lot of them seem unaware of muggle capabilities. And hogwards was build in a time where the most dangerous thing to the castle muggles had was a trebuchet
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)15:58 No.12613096

    >Magic field only stops electronics
    >thats why we can use a Thermonuclear bomb on it


    How do you think a nuclear bomb works? You NEED the electric timers otherwise you tend to get a whole lot of nothing. Furthermore, in Goblet of Fire, Hermonine says that ALL modern tech fails. Like literally anything more advanced then that crossbow Hagrid hauls around, anything else at the castle that seems to be more advanced tech was an enchanted item. Enjoy having the SAS get its ass kicked by 14 year olds when their guns fail to work.

    Also realistically, why would humanity even care about wizards? The upper tier of the muggle governments already know about the wizards, the average person on the street would be all over wizards and magic, seeing what they can do with it. Ironically /tg/ would be all like " WIZARDS RUINED MAGIC!!!!". Eventually the reuniting of the two halves of humanity would kick our progress forward like 200 years with the new toys developed from fusing magic and technology.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:00 No.12613110
    explosions work on hoggwards

    fire works on hoggwards

    guns work on hoggwards
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)16:00 No.12613113

    I think it was a pre-emptive strike of some sort, then again, this was 4 or 5 years ago, my memory is not that good.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:00 No.12613114

    Yes lets airdrop a 2 inch tall mini into a null zone. I'm sure he'll fuck up those bloody wizards.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:01 No.12613124
    >It's everything you want in the genre

    How about protagonists that are actually interesting.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:02 No.12613135

    No they don't, We have NEVER seen any modern non enchanted muggle tech remotely near the castle, while there's a very clear point made in the fourth book on how technology DOES.... NOT.... WORK... around the castle.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:04 No.12613146
    nuclear explosives can work easily without electronics if you got someone willing to die for the cause
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:05 No.12613167
    Everyone seems to be forgetting about all the other Wards put up around the Castle. You know, like the billion and one muggle repelling wards, the Notice me not charms, all that jazz. Good luck sending a strike team when every time they pass an invisible line they remember they left the stove on in the barracks or something and turn back, forgetting why they were even there in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:06 No.12613169
    Harry Potter is pretty grim dark for muggles especially. Think about it: there are psychotic cults of wizards who torture and kill muggles for fun. Canonically, there are also numerous monsters like trolls, lycanthropes, and vampires were mentioned, and as with as much trouble as wizards have dealing with them with full knowledge of what they are and how to deal with them, muggles are systematically prevented from knowing about it.

    Imagine: some monster kills your family, the "good guys" show up and erase your memory. You never have the ability to seek vengeance, warn others, or get true closure. Not only that, but the Imperatus curse is forbidden because it "violates autonomy", but memory wipes that violate the sanctity of the mind? A-ok, because they are "necessary". Hippocritical grim-dark setting with monsters, looks like nWoD.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:06 No.12613174
    yes but guns arn't any more technological then crossbows

    Explosions work and a gun is nothing more then a metal tube with a metal projectile and an explosion

    the technology is in the manufacture not in the usage
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:09 No.12613188
    seems like something that can be overcome with enough mental strenght

    remember those wards were put in place to make sure some unsuspecting traveler doesn't discover it by chance

    A team of specialists mentally prepared for the task might break through it... and a large enough explosive in the general direction of hoggwards works, wards or not
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:10 No.12613198


    Ok yeah, go find someone willing to die to kill a bunch of kids from a minority that hasn't done shit to bother 97% of the human race, all of whom will be thrown though a floo to their homes the second you step across the boundry to the castle ground. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Better yet, try telling them that wizards exist without sounding like a crazed hobo. Keep in mind that Wizards are very good at hiding themselves so you won't have any real evidence at all. Added to the fact that there's a thousand spells around Hogwarts to prevent Muggles from doing exactly what you want to do, and it becomes utterly impossible.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:11 No.12613208

    Doesn't matter. Word of God states that Technology does not work on Hogwarts grounds. End of Discussion. Why don't you lot go back to fapping to 40k or something.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:12 No.12613213

    Ah, Ayn Rand. Because when deciding whether to sympathize with the rich fuck who pays for a factory or the hundreds of financially crippled laborers who actually work in it, we all know who we're supposed to pick.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:12 No.12613216
    >nuclear explosives can work easily without electronics if you got someone willing to die for the cause
    Yes, because nukes are as easy as banging two pieces of plutonium together.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:12 No.12613218
    and thats where muslims prove they're usefull

    there should be at least 1 of them who believes he'll get 77 virgins if he blows up wicked devil worshippers
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:13 No.12613230
    word of god also states muggles win, end of story


    and besides crossbows work while thats technology to
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:14 No.12613236

    Enjoy your fizzle, and resulting mindwipe by the Aurors. You won't even know why you develop cancer in 15 years.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:14 No.12613241
    i wonder what would they do if in the future, some spacecraft or aircraft had to make an emergency landing, and crashlanded into there lake, the occupants of the craft survive of course
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:14 No.12613242
    >Ok yeah, go find someone willing to die to kill a bunch of kids from a minority that hasn't done shit to bother 97% of the human race,

    Like...Iraq? Big war down there, I've heard.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:15 No.12613247
    okay, nuke is detonated half a mile up in the sky

    hoggwards is still leveled
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:15 No.12613251

    It states a muggle has a chance, not a muggle auto wins. Hogwarts is like batman level prepared against Muggles trying exactly this.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 10/29/10(Fri)16:15 No.12613259
    So all we need to do it fart some fairy glitter on our M4s.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:16 No.12613261
    What I want to know is how exactly you're going to nuke them when they've got people next to all the politicians. What, you're going to steal a nuke or something?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:16 No.12613262
    hey guys
    want to know how the muggles kill all the wizards?
    we let them kill eachother.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:17 No.12613265
    What technologies don't work? We see fire burning. We see wheels.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:17 No.12613270
    You've got gumption, I'll give it to you.

    But the Wards around Hogwarts don't Work That Way. There's no "Oh there's a magical castle out there we all need to find it!" bollocks, especially when you realize that there are two other schools of magic similar to Hogwarts with presumably equal strength, and that there' an entire fucking Ministry of Magic beneath London, along with unnamed centers of magic throughout the entire goddamn world, not just in the UK.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:18 No.12613280
    it is possible that a nuke could be detonated by impact
    all it needs is for one substance to be thrown with enough force into another for it to trigger the reaction
    gravity could be used for that, though it would be unreliable and there would be a large chance of it not working
    >> Servant of the Emperor 10/29/10(Fri)16:18 No.12613283
    against exactly this? Most wizards are Completely Fucking Retarded when it comes to technology.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:18 No.12613287
    Rowling stated there's only a few thousand wizards in the UK

    all out war they simply lose
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:19 No.12613288
    tell them clarks third law, blow their minds
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:19 No.12613293
    I disagree
    batman would be so prepared that he simply has to prepare for it NOT happening
    that's how prepared batman would be
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:19 No.12613296

    This. Congrats you've nuked a bunch of little kids. The wizards get super pissed and start epically fucking up Muggle Society from the shadows. When you are fighting a bunch of dudes who can teleport to safety with even a seconds warning, you can't really win.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:20 No.12613303
    no just the standard nuclear explosive

    detonate it up in the sky and it works even better then a direct impact explosive in addition to bypassing the wards due to distance

    and hoggward's defenses were created to keep late medieval muggles away, not the high tech version of the 21th century
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:21 No.12613315
    Why are the Muggles trying to kill Wizards instead of teaming up with them to build magical rockets to colonize the moon or something?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:21 No.12613317
    it takes 3-5 seconds for the average wizard to teleport

    it takes less to put a bullet in said wizard
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:22 No.12613324
    Because in the world of 40K McGrimdark Retardation, there's no cooperation.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:22 No.12613326
    Let's not forget FUCKING TIME TRAVEL.

    And the various forms of divination.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:22 No.12613327
    Voldemord killed a bunch of muggle kids

    this could be retaliation
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:22 No.12613328
    because wizards don't care about humanity
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:23 No.12613330

    As if Muggleborn at least wouldn't make sure that the wards are kept more or less up to date? Remember they are pretty much brought up in muggle society, they know exactly how advanced muggles are.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:23 No.12613337
    technology is far more capable of killing than magic
    muggles (as humans), being the best in the world at killing things, and having the technological and population advantage, there is no way we could lose
    anyway, even IF magic was better at killing than technology, it would be synonymous to russia VS nazi germany in WW2
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:23 No.12613338
    time travel is highly unreliable
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:24 No.12613340
    If you want to talk about zones of different levels of technology, read the Well of Souls series.

    In low-tech zones, you can't run a steam engine - the pistons just won't move, the boiler either won't build pressure or it'll explode. In medium-tech zones, you can have steam engines and machine guns and all that, but no electronics - batteries won't hold a charge, lasers won't lase(?), capacitors will either spontaneously lose charge or burst, etc.

    In high-tech zones, everything works.

    At least, that's in the southern hemisphere of the Well. The northern hemisphere obeys laws of reality that the Well-makers might've understood, but which humans generally don't. (There are two-dimensional neon-breathers in the north, ffs. Not just really skinny, but planar. They move in three dimensions though... it's possible that they could cut a man in half, or that they might slide through him without disturbing the atoms of his flesh. Good thing they generally don't come that close.)
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:24 No.12613341
    Retaliation? The fuck is retaliation to do with pissing off people who can teleport pretty much anywhere, can brainwash you, track you down wherever you go with a whole host of exploding owls and are all armed with antipersonell weapons and personal shields?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:24 No.12613342
    Where's safety?

    Anyway, technology marches on. We get no indication magic does. Eventually, even their most useful and impressive spells will seem baudy to us.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:25 No.12613350
    You bring up an interesting question:
    What the fuck WERE the Wizards doing during WWII. Or WWI. Or any major war, actually?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:25 No.12613354
    they stop traditional schooling at age 12

    and fullblood wizards (aka the guys in charge) are pricks for the most part and many of them see muggles as sub-human and not worth attention

    Ron hardly knew how to use a phone and his father is prolly the full blood most interested in muggle tech
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:26 No.12613359
    time travel was a huge gaping mistake to put in the books
    it leaves dozens of plot holes and rowling regrets it greatly, ignoring the concept entirely in the following books
    I say that, for the purpose of this thread, we completely ignore the existence of time travel and add it to that list of 'things that can't be done by magic' such as create food and bla bla bla
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613364

    Last time I checked we didn't go nuke a small college in say Canada because a guy who went there raped and killed a 13 year old girl. But I see all the retards who say humanity should saturate bomb pandora because a bunch of greedy third rate mercs got killed by the natives are out in force today.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613366
    during WW2 there was the war against Grindenwald

    and wizards don't care about most of humanity. They want to be left alone so badly they don't go out of their way to cure cancer or aids and their newspapers don't even publish muggle mass murders

    you realy think they care about wars?
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613370
    Well, I've sent the author a message asking him if he still has a link, I'll post it here if he does.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613374
    >even IF magic was better at killing than technology, it would be synonymous to russia VS nazi germany in WW2
    If Nazi germany could teleport in and brainwash Stalin and all the high command it'd have been a very short war. Magic is certainly less effective at direct conflict but the massive amount of utility available that stems from magic is tremendously useful in terms of intelligence warfare and diversionary/gurellia effects.

    Has anyone played on an SS13 round with a wizard? It's kind of like that, wizard teleports in, gibs someone, knocks everyone else off their feet with magic missile then teleports back out until he can gib someone else.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613375
    not caring about muggles killing eachother
    in fact, as they are portrayed in the books, their ignorance and underestimation of muggles would clearly be their downfall
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:27 No.12613376
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    >track you down wherever you go with a whole host of exploding owls
    >exploding owls
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:28 No.12613378

    Ohh fuck no, if you dudes get magic proof nukes and SAS operatives, we get to fuck around with the time stream.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:28 No.12613383
    no but when a group of wizards takes pleasure in wiping out entire villages for the heck of it then I could see the muggles showing they got some teeth left.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:29 No.12613387
    You also can't forget about the shit locked up in Azkeban, or the Dementors. All that martial might can't really stand for shit while you're too busy weeping in a corner while a soulless wraith makes you feel like a ten foot high pile of shit.

    (There's also the giant fucking Kraken in the lake at Hogwarts no one takes into account, or any of the other really fucking horrible magical creatures. Even some of the plants are fucking scary.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:29 No.12613397

    Its actually heavily implied that Wizarding Britain was fighting against the Dark Lord who was pretty much the driving force behind Hitler. Dumbledore ends up dueling him like two weeks before the end of the war.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:31 No.12613411

    And said group of wizards are pretty clearly a fringe cult lead by a psychotic mad man.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:32 No.12613424
    magical creatures and plants would be exceptionally rare, comparatively
    we could sacrifice 10 men to kill each mystical beast that threatens us and only lose a tiny fraction of our people
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:32 No.12613426
    >no but when a group of skinheads takes pleasure in wiping out whole streets for the heck of it then I could see the niggers showing they got some teeth left
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:32 No.12613429

    And Dementors are stated to be invisible to muggles...

    Have fun having your men freak the hell out as their souls get ripped out of their bodies by invincible and invisible demons.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:33 No.12613431
    But you've gotta admit, when it comes to hooded extremist supremacy cults, Death Eaters kinda got the edge on the neo-nazis.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:33 No.12613435
    they're fucking wizards, man, they're all the same to me!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:34 No.12613447

    Well I must say Bellatrix Lestrange is one of my more favorite villians. Just how I like them, the dangerous kind of insane.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:35 No.12613455
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    Grimdark Harry Potter is now set during the WW2 period.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:36 No.12613464
    Wonder if they're visible to IR. Probably not, they're as cold as fuck, aren't they?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:36 No.12613468
    Yes, they're so rare that entire classes are given baby Mandrakes for their Herbology classes.

    >>The scream of a mature Mandrake when it is unearthed will kill any person who hears it, but a young Mandrake's screams will usually only knock a person out for several hours.

    There are also the dragons and the goblins and the thestrals and the Blast-Ended Skrewts. (Not to mention an entire forest of giant spiders, centaurs, and fucking unicorns.)
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:37 No.12613474
    ...Lemme dig out that part of my fanfiction.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:37 No.12613475
    if wizards send stuff like that after muggles then nuking schools will be one of the things we'll do eventually
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:38 No.12613485
    dragon vs guided missile
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:38 No.12613488

    Doesn't really matter bro. Wizards, who have spent thousands of years dealing with these guys, haven't found any way to kill them. You sure as hell aren't in the 15 seconds you have before one of the dozen or so attacking you tears out your soul. Also its magic.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:40 No.12613495
    Guided missile vs. fire-breathing dragon accompanied by a cadre of wizards specialized in both the handling of dragons and the magic with which to protect themselves from said dragon.
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    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:40 No.12613502
    > cold spots on the ambient background

    You just need a good-enough filtering technology.

    I have heard from a submarine officer that he and his kind, in charge of ultra-quiet boats, used to worry that Russians would be able to find them by listening for places where the noise wasn't.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:40 No.12613503

    Damn I now want to run a game set in ww2 era potterverse.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:41 No.12613519
    Why are they invisible to us? Can't imagine it'd take long for some governments to just start producing wizards eyes in genevats to see them, the same way the government in most lovecraft fanfics do with cats, as they can see strange shit better than us.

    And lol at assuming them being able to take out a few leaders would end the war. Surgical strikes sure ended the war in Iraq!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:41 No.12613523
    to bad dragons are a bitch to train and only a select few wizards can come close to them

    each of them killed is worth 100 men. Muggles got numbers and they'll play it

    and still guided missile is gonna do some serious damage to them
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:42 No.12613526
    It'd be pretty bitchin', I think, especially if you take and run with the concept of the Thule Society.

    ...fuck that could be a really awesome game. Holy shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:42 No.12613530
    Grimdark Harry Potter is Scholomance. Duh.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:42 No.12613533
    Disclaimer: This was written before the release of the Deathly Hollows, and it's part of an already grimdark story that never got finished (because FUCK IF I RAPE CANON MORE)

    It's also terrible and contains a couple of original characters. You have been warned.
    Flashback 1: The defeat of The Dark Lord

    1945, England - Mountains above Hogwarts

    Tom flitted through the trees, nothing more than a red and black shadow in the twilight. The forest was unsually quiet, as if holding it's breath. Grindlewald's lair lay ahead, buried within the mountainside like a wound in the earth. It once seemed inconcievable that an entire subterranian structure could have been built in secret, but as the war dragged on, it was clear that the resources of the Dark Alliance could achieve practically anything…
    Tom reached a blank cliff face and stopped, hoping Slytherin's ring could break the enchantment. He placed his hand on the rough wall, and waited. The black stone glowed for a second - and a sharp pain spiked his ring finger.
    "Ouch!" Blood splattered against the granite as he flailed out, and the stone shimmered and faded, revealing a cavernous entrance (Such arrogance! Using a spell he had defeated before) and, his wound forgotten, he slipped in. No-one could be seen, and Tom thanked his lucky stars for that. He moved deeper into the complex.


    "Zey've breached the outer perimeter! Ve need to reinforce Group four!!" Tom flattened himself against the corner as another DA squad hurried past. From the sounds of battle from ahead, it seemed like a full scale assault had been launched against the fortress. He wished them luck, as it would make his job much easier. Ahead, the corridor opened out onto a balcony overlooking the main auditorium, a vast space reminicent of Hogwart's own halls. A scream made Tom look over the side. And he saw the slaughter.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:43 No.12613536
    >Warhammer 40k: It's exactly the same, except now everything is rolling stones
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:43 No.12613541
    actually it seems more likely grindenwald took his chance when the war started to start his personal war
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:43 No.12613544

    Flames licked up from the furniture. Bodies lay where they had fallen, some smoking, some cut apart, one in particular was still flailing, it's head having been transfigured into an octopus. Several more stood, wands raised, their last moment frozen into stone. And at the centre of the hall, more Dark wizards crowded, surrounding none other than Tom's own Tranfiguration teacher, Albus Dumbledore.
    As a fresh wave of wizards rushed him, Dumbldore danced past them, their spells, as if by magic. A flaming coil of magic emanated from his wand, with which he caressed the oncoming tide with, barely touching them but once as he pirouetted onwards, beard flying out. Spells flew wildly, but none seemed to touch him or his bird, which swooped and dived through the deadly strands of magic like a bird half it's size. The wave broke itself on him, leaving corpses behind.
    He never knew how long he watched the carnage Dumbledore wrought below, but Tom eventually fled the scene, down to the cages where she was kept.


    Dumbledore twisted, flicking the whip of fire out to deflect a particularly well aimed spell, and finished the last of the Dark Alliance Adepts. He suddenly felt tired, looking around at what he had achieved.
    "Fawkes? Fawkes, to me." The brightly coloured phoenix screamed a warning and swooped towards the huge double doors. They opened, and Grindlewald walked in.


    Tom glanced into the dungeon, and opened up the door with a swift kick. She lay on the bed, flushed with rage and struggling with her ropes and gag.
    "Liz, thank Merlin! Hold still." He took off the gag, and she screamed and bit him.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:44 No.12613553
    IR works both ways bro
    lack of heat can be detected equally as easily
    so I can be pretty sure there would be wizard turncoats who just want to be left alone and will help the muggles in exchange for their family not being killed
    but would there be muggles who go to the wizard's aid?
    somehow, I don't see it happening
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:44 No.12613554
    Grindlewald stumped across the floor, his dark eyes taking in his fallen comrades. His short, wiry body belied his potion fuelled strength, for all of his pretense of a staff and a limp.
    "Mein Gott, Dumbldore, vot haff you done? This act vill not go unpunished!"
    Dumbledore inclined his head in greeting to the fuming wizard before him, keeping his eyes forward.
    "I believe I had warned you already, Grindlewald, that you should not intrude into England, and especially not to predate on Hogwarts students. You have, I believe you will admit, done both."
    Grindlewald waved away the accusation with a impatient guesture. "Nein, nein! This iss eine /research/ base! Zere are no Hogwarts students here, as you vill find!"
    "There is one Elizabeth Hedwig incarcerated in these premises, an act which is illegal under English magical law. Furthermore, you have set up this secret base, and under martial law, I have been ordered to take steps to neutralise you." Dumbledore stepped over to a body and, fishing out a small flask, sniffed it, wrinkled his nose and dropped it. It hit the ground with a whoomph, and vanished along with a paving stone. Behind them, the light finally pierced the windows high above, flinging dazzling patterns onto the floor.
    Tendrils of black smoke rose up; Grindlewald had lit an ornate, gold encrusted pipe and was puffing industriously. He waved his hand again, spreading the smoke further.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:45 No.12613555
    Hell it seems all wizards would need to do is have some muggleborn get desperate enough from the ongoing holocaust directed against wizards, round up a bunch of friends, teleport aboard a SSBN, turn the crew into small animals, magic through the launch safeguards on the missiles, and they could easily set off WW3. Having the muggles bomb themselves back to the stone age would be a good way to restart the coverup.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:45 No.12613559
    So what if they've had more time? How many wizards have gone to the moon? Exactly. Invincible my arse, there will be a way to kill them. Finding out what they are is the first thing that needs to be done.

    Although just trying to apply reality to Harry Potter is giving me a headache.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:45 No.12613560
    "Ze mädchen, she is no longer in Hogvarts. And zer base is not affilliated with zer Dark Alliance, it iz for zer /research/, Sie verstanden? Vat is you real purpose?" The smoke had spread enough to surround Dumbledore; he raised his arm and Fawkes landed on it, perching and fanning his tail out.
    The smoke burnt away in a flash, lighting up a snarl of anger from Grindlewald.
    Dumbledore had found another flask; he took a hefty swig from this one.
    "My reasons are my own. Now, are you going to leave peacefully, or-"
    A scroll, flung impossibly fast, was caught in the whip's grasp and redirected into the wall, which shimmered and vanished.
    "Ah, I guess not."
    Grindlewald shrieked, and charged.
    She shrieked, and tried to rake her nails over his eyes.
    "Liz! What the hell-!" Tom scrambled back, and, like a caged animal, she slunk back, on all fours and watching with slitted eyes.
    "Don't you recognise me? What did they do to you?" There was little time left. He slowly drew his wand, making soothing motions with his other hand, and, wishing he could have stopped this, knocked her out.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:46 No.12613565
    Dumbledore was tiring fast. Thanks to the war Grindlewald had become his equal in power, and Grindlewald had not had to battle his way down here. He barely managed to avoid a sudden lunge by the wiry old man, the barely visible emanation from the staff glowing green in the poor light. The whip snaked round the shaft and Dumbledore pulled, finding purchase on then staff and neatly disarming him
    Grindlewald, suddenly closing, smashed a gauntled fist into his cheek hard enough to spin him round. He staggered back, letting the other mage recover his staff, reigniting the point to form the spearhead.


    Grindlewald raised his spear in salute.
    "It seems ze var haz sharpened your skills, Albus."
    "You haven't been idle yourself. Tell me, why go to such lengths to capture one girl? This base must have had a lot of support from the Dark Alliance."
    "Pfah. Ze Alliance is much veaker zan ze propaganda vould have you believe. Vat vith ze Russians throwing vizard lives avay and High command provoking attack from ze apathetic States of Amerikan, ze Alliance vill grasp at anyzing zat I suggest. Mein Gott, zey are even researching Muggle contraptions and dabbling viz /technology/!"
    "So this is a personal matter? Why go to such lengths for a single person?"
    "Because, mein friend Dumbledore, zat girl knows who iz prophesized to kill me." The staff came up again into guard position.
    "And, Dumbledore, it vill not be you!"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:47 No.12613569
    There are only enough nukes to directly destroy about 1% of the Earths land area...

    What's more likely is just profoundly pissing off 7 billion beings, and wizards becoming the new Jews, in terms of hate across the ages.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:47 No.12613570
    to bad teleporting into unknown areas is highly dangerous since it requires a mental image of the location

    just like defensive pinch teleporting is something only the most gifted wizards can do safely
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:47 No.12613571
    A quick summoned stretcher later, Tom had managed to convey Elizabeth upstairs. The complex, rocked by explosions, seemed to be collapsing, as if the spells that had created it were being disrupted by the battle. Another tremor shook the area, and Tom stumbled onto the banister once more, to see Grindlewald knock down Dumbledore.


    "Your little bird von't help you now, Dumbledore." Fawkes lay helplessly nearby, tiny and featherless once more. He cawed feebly, and tried to push the wand of his master nearer to him. The Dark Lord kicked them both away. He brought the staff up to strike.


    It was not without irony that it had come to this. Without realising what he had started, Grindlewald had fallen to the same trap as so many others; to avoid the prophecy he had started this chain of events, an inevitable series of cause and effect that lead to this point. The dagger, completing the circle from creator to target and back, flew true from Tom's hand. He watched it strike, emotionless, and turned back to the task of carrying Elizabeth out of the crumbling fortress.


    Dumbledore checked Grindlewald's rapidly decaying body, the magics preserving it fading with death. The foot-long dagger that saved him had managed to shear through the skull and probably even killed Grindlewald before his deparate spell took his legs off. Pulling the dagger out, he sensed a familiar malice, the signature mark of Grindlewald…?! He concentrated harder on the faint but crude magical overlay as the dagger, it's purpose fulfilled, crumbled away. Too late.
    "At least this complex has been neutralized… hello, what have we here… A box of holding?" An ornate case with the universal symbol of magical research on it had fallen from Grindlewald's robes. The teacher stood, retrieved both his phoenix and the box, and left. The complex, as Dark complexes are wont to do, disintegrated, leaving naught but dust and echoes.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:47 No.12613580

    >Apply reality to magic

    >> sage Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:48 No.12613586
    Actually, if you'll adhere to rules of Rowling's world, any modern country has no chance fighting wizards.
    1. All wizards' dwellings have spells on them that prevent anyone coming closer to take interest in them, erase their memories and imprint a strong urge to do something more interesting than walk in this competely common neighbourhood, move along, move along.
    They also seem to fool observation satellites, because you won't see any place named Hogwarts on modern maps of UK.
    2. Wizards can bend metric and construct compressed dimensions, though they all are static. So wizards' house can be hidden in the wall of your toilet and you won't know about it, if they wouldn't want it. See Diagon valley and that funny tent from quidditch world cup.
    3. They have teleportation (personal or one of an item), memory manipulation and mind control, assorted magical firecrackers, invisibility, personal flight and NO MANA LIMIT.
    3.1. Don't forget that prime minister of UK always has a hidden mage nearby. I expect other mages are always on duty near leaders of each of G8 countries. Try to imagine how can they disrupt plans of attack with all that magical arsenal, being where they're.
    4. Try to imagine, how wizards can disrupt modern economy, taking into account extremely extended communications and supply lines and vulnerability of modern communication to teleporting fireball-throwing invisible flying guerrillas.

    That being said, the thread is stupid and should be saged by each and every sane person out there.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:48 No.12613587
    Do you think the general population would REALLY believe it was wizards who nuked them?

    "Oh wow America, why did you launch nuclear weapons at us?"

    "lol a wizard did it"

    "k, let's go kill wizards"

    You REALLY think that would happen?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:50 No.12613601
    muggles are uneducated brutes who need to do things just by brute force
    surgical strike means you never attack an enemy you don't know everything about
    this means wizard and wizards working with governments to protect their shit because of >>12613553
    Also, they can't just 'magic' their way passed launch codes
    I doubt there's one among them who knows how a computer works, let alone the bombs themselves
    best they could do is take it apart
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:51 No.12613609

    The extremists Protestants would believe it and sign up for action.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:51 No.12613615
    muggles aren't*
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:52 No.12613618
    to bad no wizard actually knows how to operate a computer, let alone launch a preemptive global nuclear strike

    remember they have 0 muggle education past age 12
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:52 No.12613622
    Ok, done. There's a whole lot more grimdark, but nothing about muggles vs wizards, just Harry Potter being a horrible dictator murdering anyone who steps out of line and ruling the magical world with an iron fist.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:53 No.12613628
    is the existence of wizards was proven and they were ignorant enough of modern tech for there to be irrefutable evidence that they had, in fact, launched the bombs, I don't see why not
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:53 No.12613631
    Good point. But it's stated in this very thread that the higher echelons actually know about wizards?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:54 No.12613639
    Yeah, because there are zero muggleborn wizards.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:54 No.12613645
    "Hey you! Imperius curse or whatever!"


    "Launch the nukes!"

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:55 No.12613658
    Actually, it's one or two ruling people in each country. In UK only prime minister knew about them and that is only because minister of magic came and introduced himself.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:55 No.12613659
    yep and they have no muggle education past age 12

    remember that 12 year old script kiddy trying to "hack" something? thats the best wizards can come up with

    magic isn't even going to work since they don't know which part of the computer to modify and they'll just end up breaking it
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:56 No.12613667
    Should be " zero children of muggleborn wizards"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:56 No.12613668
    if there's a war going on against wizards you bet your ass they got people trained to resist imperius curse

    remember, resisting it is non magical
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:59 No.12613704
    and then the wizard tells the imperius'd soldier exactly what numbers to put into the exact safe that they need for the key, which they put in the correct key hole (all the while controlling another man to do the exact same) and having them both turn the keys at the same time in order to launch minuteman missles at a specific target which was chosen because they know enough about muggle politics to do something worthy of recoil from a nuclear nation (they've got a 8 in 195 chance of guessing correctly).
    totally believable, bro
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)16:59 No.12613705
    Yep, but firstly, you need to know, that such thing existed, and secondly you'll need to train for some months with a professional instructor that teaches how to do this.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:00 No.12613719

    This is how it would work. Most wizards don't want to kill or enslave all the muggles, but if it comes down to a war of survival, a war for the very way of life of an entire people, a desperate man is capable of horrible and tragic things.

    that said, sage
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:00 No.12613722
    >Muggles magically (dohoho) detect imperius curse in the first days of the war
    >somehow figure out how to resist it
    >manage to rearm all nuclear personell instantaneously, including other country's defenses

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:00 No.12613726
    By the same logic the wizards are going to have people that know about science and technology.
    Now, could you come up with an argument that doesn't boil down to "HUUUURRR wizards are retarded"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:01 No.12613731
    the only reason for a wizard attack on muggles would be if muggles throw the first punch, which mean we'd know about their existence and are already in contact with wizards who are advising them as to the best and easiest course of action
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:02 No.12613743
    No, the wizard tells the general to order the launch.
    Try to think how your statement can be disproved before proposing something. Don't waste others' time.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:02 No.12613745
    "Hey you! Military guy! Imperiatus!"


    "Write down on a piece of paper how to launch nukes! Or heck, tell your people to launch nukes RIGHT FUCKING NOW!"

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:03 No.12613749
    harry was able to resist it in a day and muggles got a much larger pool of people

    and spec ops trained in resisting all kinds of psychical torture would be able to pick it up extremely fast

    and if there's a war going on against wizards you bet they would know it existed.

    And if there isn't a war going on, a global nuclear war WILL hurt wizards to unless they can live on the friggin moon
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:03 No.12613752
    Wizards can read minds and have truth serum.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:04 No.12613776
    >so now what

    SIR we have 6 different people in 6 different fortified locations enter the codes at the exact same Time

    >okay where are they?

    SIR thats classified to me for security reasons

    and teleporting underground to an unknown location is something wizards arn't capable off in HP universe
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:05 No.12613783
    wizards CANT read minds

    Snape specified that very clearly
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:06 No.12613788
    muggles would have wizards on their side who just want protection
    the wizards would have no muggle help
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:07 No.12613798
    So... how DO nukes get launched in the first place? Decisions come from high up people to begin with, then the wizard has to just charm person the person capable of authorising nukes. Or do you really think it takes huge amounts of verification to prepare a nuclear counterattack if someone launches nukes at you?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:07 No.12613806

    Ohh hell no, you Imperius the entire launch crew, and tell them that the Enemy launched first and now its time to do their duty and all that jazz. Then you just sit back as they proceed to carry out their training and all that. Basically all the Imperius curse does is make something seem like the best idea you've ever heard and why aren't I starting the launch procedures yet? A muggle born would of been in the public schooling system during at least the last decade of the cold war. They should be able to identify the key players on either side, at least enough to be able to tell that launching missles from a Russian sub at Washington DC, Bejing, Paris, and London should be enough to set off WW3.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:08 No.12613815
    >the wizards would have no muggle help
    >Implying they just can't mind control people they need help from.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:09 No.12613822
    Ok I think we both get that each side has a massive, erect, moist wang. Can you stop waving them around now?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:10 No.12613830
    fist off the main target would be whatever is keeping the EMP and the cloaking feild up
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:10 No.12613833
    Yes, but it's the only known case, and at that time HP still had a part of Riddle implanted in him, so you can't take this example as typical.
    On the contrary, we have information about half a dozen of fully grown up "witchhunters" that can't resist the spell for months. Would you say that who condemned his son to hell on earth has no willpower?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:11 No.12613838
    Quiet you, we're having fun comparing the sizes of our respective wangs and beating the shit out of each other with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:12 No.12613847
    good to bad they don't know the location of the guys actually launching the nukes

    and you actually think a global nuclear war isn't going to affect wizards? there's no protection from nuke charm
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:14 No.12613865
    Wizards would lose. They don't have enough manpower to win, especially considering the fact that a wide part of their population is muggleborn.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:15 No.12613874
    wizards: lol howdoIscience?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:15 No.12613875

    *2 hours of researching later*

    Hey guess what, there is now!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:15 No.12613876
    apart from hogwarts most wizards live near or in muggle towns or citys. so a nuke that kills 100 wizards kills 100000 muggles
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:15 No.12613877

    ...what, really? It's MAGIC. And if you make magic that gets around it(HOW are you doing magic, you are not a wizard), the guys do OTHER magic that negates YOUR magic. So, yeah.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:17 No.12613890
    Oh for crying out loud.
    1: Hogwarts gets nuked.
    Retaliation force!
    2: Imperius one guy, find out what the hell the weapon was that was used, and the background behind it. Find out from that guy who would know where the launch site is.

    3: Imperius that guy who knows where the launch site is.

    4: Use various divination and scrying techniques to work out a decent picture of the place. Alternately just drag some pictures out of intelligence agencies or WALK there and use invisibility, mindcontrol or whatever to get in.

    5: Teleport, mass mind control, launch nukes.

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:17 No.12613891
    5% of wizard population
    .05% of human population
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:18 No.12613909
    >Implying wizards are going to fight a traditional war instead of using guerrilla tactics.
    >Implying modern armies are going to stand a chance against wizards using guerrilla tactics when they're having trouble against obsolete armies using them.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:20 No.12613918
    Is Hogwarts protected against satellite imaging? Do they even know that there are spy sats reading innocent people's newspapers? Do they care that some old, mean drunk of a corporal was drinking himself to death, decided he had enough of this shit and just instructed an orbital platform to drop ten meter long tungsten rod from the sky on them?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:20 No.12613920
    because the obvious first strike back at muggles would be to use their own weapons against them?
    the risks involved in that would be FAR too great to be anything but a last resort, and if wizard population is already known to the world, all it would do is provide a basis for a world wide witch hunt
    they would surely attempt their own methods of fighting first, until they realize that muggle tech still kills them easily
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:20 No.12613921
    really? nukeing a american or brittish or french city and kiling hundreds of thousands of civilians wouldnt piss them off?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:20 No.12613922
    >apart from hogwarts most wizards live near or in muggle towns or citys. so a nuke that kills 100 wizards kills 100000 muggles

    "And in other news, a bunch of owls has unseasonally appeared around Moscow. This has been linked to several people vanishing. Police are baff- this just in. T-there's been a nuclear launch aimed at Moscow. May god have mercy on us al-"
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:23 No.12613944
    hogwarts is "unplotable" meaning its location can not be recorded. as in the satalite can not remember seeing them
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:23 No.12613945
    hey guys
    hundreds of muggleborns more attached to their muggle life than wizard life spill all they know to governments
    suddenly muggles have a huge ass advantage and all that remains is systematically wiping them out
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:24 No.12613959
    but that's just hogwarts
    the rest of the wizard population is fucked
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:24 No.12613962
    >Is Hogwarts protected against satellite imaging?

    Sattelites don't show images of places that are hidden it the cracks of public restrooms.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:25 No.12613969
    wait, litigation and paper work?

    you might have fallout (litigation, etc0 after wards, but you can just fucking do it. Its the government.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:26 No.12613972
    hey guys politicians are offered awesome magical healing treatments, lifelong positions and other such stuff if they'd shut up about the wizards.

    Politicians stop talking about it, general public don't give a shit or simply don't believe it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:26 No.12613976
    Now that is just pants on head retarded... How in the name of what ever gods you believe in can you write that sentence and not have an anurism. computers down remember to write things down they record regardless as long as they are on and i garendamntee you that if every spy sat ever malfunctioned as it passes over a specific spot in the english country side the people that run said machines are gonna get pretty suspicious
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:27 No.12613985
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    There are other schools of Hogwarts calbier in other countries, such as France and Russia. They show up in the fourth book, those two, and there's said to be one in Australia.

    Wonder if there's one in the US. Oh wait...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:27 No.12613988
    Show us on the doll where the Spell Check Fairy touched you.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:28 No.12613991
    furthermore the wizard gene is identified, and hormones being used to assume further energy research
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:28 No.12613999
    >they record
    the spell makes that impossible.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:30 No.12614015
    and then we have magic super soldiers?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:30 No.12614019
    so no argument that its wrong just that the spelling was not correct great. now that we have all noticed that i misspelled a few words would you like to talk to the point of the statement?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:33 No.12614038

    One, Project Thor was never finished. Two, yes, they are. magiced against that, being put on maps, and lots of other things as well.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:33 No.12614041
    but wizards are evil creatures!
    clearly you misunderstand the concept of McCarthyism
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:33 No.12614043
    why would the world unite and sacrifce millions to destroy a few groups who want to mind their own bussiness?

    how does the world stay united when these groups can use several different types of mind altiering magics, teleportation and invisibility?
    >> Sorain 10/29/10(Fri)17:34 No.12614050
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    There where signs, portents, looking back on it now the evidence was there to see. The Clow incident, the Jewel Seed Incident, the Book of Darkness incident, the sheer number of magical creature slaying organizations which existed in the shadows of an otherwise mundane world. The immense power of those recruited from NAW97 blinded us to the warning signs that something was falling apart there. We needed mages, enough to police hundreds of worlds, and the more powerful the better. Back then we rejected the idea of cloning, of combat cyborgs and drone production, even though we funded the research. Then came the day the wards broke down completely, and all hell broke loose. By the time our normal recruitment drive visit arrived, it had been nine months, nine months we could not afford to lose. The people of that world panicked and formed a planetary state with a single goal: Control the chaos. They captured our in place agents, with the aid of their surviving paranormal control groups and a shadowy organization under the innocuous name of 'Secure Contain Protect'. We came with a single ship and a few mages, to find a planetary government strike team waiting for us. They would not join us, they would not allow regulation of their planet. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too, magic and high technology together, side by side. We could not allow it, and warned them of retaliation. Their reply to our expeditionary force's surrender demand was pulled straight from their history. “Nuts”. So we forcibly subjugated them, our first mistake.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:34 No.12614052
    we don't
    mass hysteria
    many many people die, even after all wizards are obliterated
    but then we rebuild and forget about it
    it's how we work
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:37 No.12614074
    i understand how the wards can stop people from crossing them and how you could stop someone from viewing it magically but how do you stop something from taking a picture from orbit? I could even understand some type of cloaking field or light distortion but all of that will show up as an anomaly to the kind of cameras that are put up into spy sats today. which is going to make someone curious. now if it is in a pocket dimension then that makes sense too but from everything i have heard it just sits there in a normal area that is highly protected. All of these things make sense but to say that the spell will somehow just make the computer in a geo or higher orbit not work that seems a bit to much of a stretch.
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    They never had time to get their projects to fruition, so we won, but it was a Pyrrhic victory. We took losses, terrible losses. And once we had control? Occupying Special Administrated World 97 is the most dangerous duty any Time Space Administration Bureau officer can undertake. The locals are innovative, extremely powerful, angry, and well equipped, if not organized. The weapon manufacturers went underground, making advanced intelligent or semi-intelligent devices into a thriving black market. Every kid above the age of five has to have a ID tag listing their magical potential, because any one of them could detonate their linker core with the force of a small fusion bomb, or just carry one into your office on a dead mans switch. Their economy is in chaos, so poverty and desperation are the norm here. The locals don't care if your a clone, a cyborg, about your age or even if you are a humanoid drone type, they will hunt you down for being a TSAB enforcer all the same. If you survive your 1 year tour of duty here, you will receive a medal from SAW97 operational director Yagami herself, because believe me, you will have earned it.

    Players can be TSAB Enforcers attempting to keep the peace in a troubled region, or Terran Insurgents trying to throw off the opressive government, or perhaps the unlucky few who just want to live their lives in peace, persued by both sides.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:39 No.12614101
    how are the survivors not killed off by the remaining magical creatures against which there is little defence?
    like dementors?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:40 No.12614103
    I have no idea what this is and am unclear about the two sides at conflict, as well as which is winning
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:40 No.12614104
    they can plot which man's drop of urine will hit which crevice before pants are unzipped.

    but more seriously, how would the location be unplottable? there would an anomaly with satellite's recording which would be investigated, or maybe with its orbital path, which is missing a small bit of landmass which should be there.
    or maybe the sat just doesn't show anything suspicious from the area? but then, how would the wizards know how to hide hogwarts from a spy sat? even the half-muggles, they shouldn't know shit about classified military specs. that satellite could as well be bouncing lasers off the ground and decoding vibrations into fucking speech, how would they know how to stop that?
    and more importantly, how would they stop a ten meters long tungsten rod kinetic kill projectile falling towards them at a fraction of light speed? they wouldn't have time to even look up.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:41 No.12614113

    And then magical creatures, against which there is no defence, swarm over the few remaining muggles and consume them. Great job breaking it hero.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:42 No.12614116
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:43 No.12614125
    against which magical creatures is there no defense? even a magical one?
    remember, muggles have mages on their side
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:44 No.12614130
    first ITS MAGIC it works but you dont understand how (one of the deffinitions)

    second the unplotable ward seems to use the same type of magic as the fidelius charm only without a secret keeper
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:44 No.12614131
    >but more seriously, how would the location be unplottable? there would an anomaly with satellite's recording which would be investigated, or maybe with its orbital path, which is missing a small bit of landmass which should be there. or blah blah blah blah

    There's this ability called unconscious manipulation. Humans analysing the data just skip over where an anomaly is, and think, "nope, nothing there."

    That's just a suggestion as to how it works.

    Furthermore dropping tungsten into the middle of London isn't going to grant you many friends.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:45 No.12614137
    don't you fucking magic me anon, magic has rules in potterverse. a wizard cannot do it if he does not know what 'it' is.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:47 No.12614155
    i can see that working but wouldn't you have to know some one is doing it to stop them or is the spell a world wide auto defense type of thing? If it does work like that would there be no need for the mind eraser squads as you could just make another spell that would auto wipe people who learned something you didn't want them to know? if it works that way i know that was just one speculation on it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:47 No.12614156
    but hogwarts is in scotland isn't it? saturating scotland with tungsten rods would be like doing them a favor.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:47 No.12614159
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    You're demanding answers to a hypothetical situation in a fiction universe under the impression that anyone cared enough before now to write in a solution to this.
    Excuse me if "Magic" is the only way to answer this. It's a goddamn book man, some shit just isn't gonna make sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:49 No.12614172
    OP here.
    >232 posts and 12 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:51 No.12614194
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    To think, all this military tactics against wizards discussion stemmed from the worst Grimdarking ever to have been Grimdarked.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:51 No.12614198
    Most wizards have their heads so far up their asses that there is no way they would be able to learn about stuff liek that. The first reaction they would have is to think some new Dark Wizard is around.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:52 No.12614206
    really? I thought all the wizards had been killed off.
    At best the only surviving wizards in a muggle win situation would be borderline muggles because all the books, the ones with the spells that tell you how to stop dementors and lethifolds have been nuked. so your surviving wizards would be more or less useless.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:53 No.12614216
    Sooo... we are no longer having a discussion on this huh, people may not have thought of it before that's why we are talking about it now otherwise someone could'a just said here is how it works? I for one am genuinely curious as to how it works, plot holes in settings drive me crazy. Also you do know that this is pretty much what tg does right? the whole hypothetical/fictional universes
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:54 No.12614227

    This. Wizards are good at suborning politicians to help them keep the statues of secrecy running. If a president won't take a bribe of free magical healthcare or something... Well there are other ways to get their assistance. Also people tend not to believe "crazies" who claim that there's a underground society of wizards and witches running a giant school for magic in a castle located in the scottish highlands.


    From what I understand, making something "unplotable" lays a charm that prevents you from making any kind of recording of the place at all. Maps will turn out blank, photos will "gloss over" the school, or show it being some totally uninteresting ruin, videos will be static, and so on. They were able to place a ward on the name of a guy so anyone saying it would cause a kill team to teleport to that location like 5 seconds later to murder the fuck out of them, I think they can defeat satellites and stuff if they put their mind to it. Wizards aren't that stupid.
    >> Alex 10/29/10(Fri)17:56 No.12614248

    If it's any good, then I'm not sorry.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)17:59 No.12614273

    It has SOME rules, like you can't bring someone back from the dead. Other then that, if you decide you want to breed a dragon that pisses nuke proof, satellite invisible, anti technology paint, you can do it.

    >Rule of Conjuration: while it is possible to conjure things out of thin air, it is far more tricky to create something that fits an exact specification rather than a general one; moreover, any objects so conjured tend not to last.

    >Rule Against Resurrection: It is also impossible to resurrect the dead.

    >Rule Against Immortality: Likewise, it is impossible to make oneself immortal unless one makes use of a mystical object of great power to sustain life (such as the Philosopher's Stone created by Nicolas Flamel or a Horcrux, the latter having been used by Lord Voldemort).
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:00 No.12614277
    >takeoff, Kuritzed
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:00 No.12614290
    wizards are ignorant, not stupid. the books just do that ocasionaly as a shity joke. in the first book malfoy (the picture perfect ignorant idiot) boasted about getting chased by a helicopter and the others all knew what one was and there wasnt even the name messup roling kept trying
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:01 No.12614292
    Ok so i think i understand the mechanic now but would that in and of itself point people to think that something is really suspicious about that place if every down facing camera in every sat malfunctions and anyone who talks about it gets brutally murdered wont people eventually get suspicious ? I guess what i am saying is that at a certain point won't the protection of the secret become more of a flag that something is there and draw people to check it out. and some of the people you would have to kill would be fairly important and you would have to cull them fairly frequently which would lead to some pretty jumpy security and or cameras in the facilities and maybe even automated defenses in some installations which i would think would be bad things for the next kill team?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:03 No.12614321
    >brutally murdered
    What part of precision mindwipe are you not getting?It's not like they NEED to murder everyone.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:03 No.12614330
    >They were able to place a ward on the name of a guy so anyone saying it would cause a kill team to teleport to that location like 5 seconds later to murder the fuck out of them,

    when the fuck did THAT happen?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:05 No.12614366

    No one gets "brutally murdered". A guy shows up at your house, waves a stick around, you forget all about that weird place and start thinking about how you'd really rather go watch the television now and forget all about this?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:06 No.12614379
    Last book. [spoiler]Voldemort takes control of the ministry of magic and enchants his name.[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:07 No.12614386
    >2,300 a Day
    >Reports of missing persons have increased sixfold in the past 25 years, from roughly 150,000 in 1980 to about 900,000 this year. The increase was driven in part by the country's growing population. But the numbers also indicate that law enforcement treats the cases more seriously now, including those of marginalized citizens.

    >An astounding 2,300 Americans are reported missing every day, including both adults and children.

    >But only a tiny fraction of those are stereotypical abductions or kidnappings by a stranger.

    >For example, the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. All but about 50,000 were juveniles, classified as anyone younger than 18.


    real life. most of the muggle killing creatures and wizards are restrained by the wizard goverments. meaning unless the wisards are takeing a try at genocide they probaly only kill a few hundred at most.

    as you can see a few hundred sadly is not that signifigant
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:07 No.12614391
    Seventh book, the Death Eaters warded Vordemort's name because the only guys brave enough to use it at that point also tended to be members of the Order of the Phoenix. Or Harry Potter and friends. So basically all the guys way up on your kill list, or "bring to the master alive for major brownie points" list.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:07 No.12614393
    oh well, I think in the end it boils down to whether magic in potterverse is stagnating or not and if not how fast breakthroughs are made. because if science enters Clarke's third law area and then progresses exponentially there will be no place for silly men in pointy hats
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:11 No.12614427
    Actually barring a DE having a bit of fun, the wizards tend to kill zero people a day. Dumbledore's father got sent to Azkaban for trying to get revenge on the kids who fucked up his daughter so badly she had to be restrained in their house for the rest of her life because her accidental magic was so dangerous to people. The wizards tend to have a zero tolerance policy on running around murdering muggles. Also to a muggle, a person who was killed by the Killing curse appears to have expired from natural causes.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:16 No.12614479
    >Also to a muggle, a person who was killed by the Killing curse appears to have expired from natural causes.

    Not really. If I remember correctly, Voldermort murdered a family when he was living in Albania and the doctor who examined the bodies commented something along the lines of "they're fine aside from the fact that they're dead".
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:18 No.12614500

    I could of sworn the muggle police report on the murder of the Riddles was something along the line of "besides the look of sheer terror on their faces, they appear to have died naturally".
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:18 No.12614502
    so i have another question on the whole location thing how would you know if someone was checking into the anomalies? its not like they know the hogwarts name and if they call it anything it would be random anomaly q93 or some such?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:19 No.12614523
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    Presumably there's a black-ops organisation in every country dedicated to anti-magic tactics. As soon as the muggle-relations wizard teleports out after introducing himself to the government head, the black ops team starts the briefing.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:22 No.12614551
    Putin wouldn't put up with wizards' shit anyway, he would start such black-op org himself.
    >captcha:poweray tyrant
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:24 No.12614568

    Look dude its magic alright, we don't have to explain it and attempting to apply logic to it results in a headache for all involved. I presume the wizards have their ways, or they've bribed/mind controlled/infiltrated the heads of every intelligence agency in the world to have their underlings ignore wizards.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:24 No.12614575
    Fool, Putin is a wizard. How else could he be so powerful?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:27 No.12614605
    Pure manlyness.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:28 No.12614608

    >Putin a wizard

    Mother of God.jpg

    Well I know who the BBEG in my modern day campaign is going to be.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:28 No.12614611
    He is a muggle and he is powerful enough for Voldemort to leave Russia the fuck alone.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:35 No.12614693

    No its a little known fact that the Spetsnaz is actually a cover story for a force of Wizards used as a kill team by the Russian Magical government.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)18:54 No.12614902
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    Dmitry Medvedev stared thoughtfully at his desk as the last traces of smoke dissolved into the air. His outraged mind was racing frantically, beneath his calm exterior. The revelations shocked him. What did this mean for the balance of power within the Russian Federation? Why, he would have to set up a -

    A section of the wall behind him slid open. Vladimir Putin walked into the office, his face an unreadable mask. "Drink this, Dmitry, it will remove the effects of the memory-loss potion we gave you".

    A grin slowly spread across his face as his memories returned. The subterfuge was necessary - the possibility that mind reading was among their many and varied supernatural abilities was to great a risk to be discounted. Besides, Medvedev doubted he would had been able to contain his laughter at the sight of such a farce - a naive old fool 'dramatically' revealing the existence of his kind to one who had spent his career in the very organisation founded to fight them.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)19:00 No.12614965
    fight who? wizards? why?
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!Q3opPDaKzPo 10/29/10(Fri)19:02 No.12614987
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    He's motherfucking Putin. He's immune to magic. A wizard fight with Him would be over quickly

    "I cast magic missile!"
    "What! Nothing happened! It can't be! Just who are you?"
    "You think your magic trick can work on the chosen one of russia? I am Vladimir Putin, and with hot-blooded manlines I defy your feeble attempts at bending reality to your will! If you fancy yourself strong enough, if you think your will is resolute enough to plunge the world in the shadows of your madness, then face me head on like a man you once were before you hid behind your wand and fancy robes! Show me if you are determined to take over russia's land and people, but know we will not roll over and die just because you command it!"

    And then, from under the frozen siberian earth on which the mighty russian leader stood, a powerfull mecha emboding the hopes and dreams of russian people rose from the ground with a mighty roar that shook the foundations of heavens, and as the clouds parted and a bright beam of sunlight shone upon the mighty warmachine, and as Putin stood on the top of it, his arms crossed and sunglasses glinted in the sunlight, he bellowed

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)19:07 No.12615026
    >No its a little known fact that the Spetsnaz is actually a cover story for a force of Wizards used as a kill team by the Russian Magical government.

    I have a conspiracy-book at home that's about communists killing people with magic, mindpowers, guns that shoot sickness and guns that shoot YOUR SOUL.
    >> Sorain 10/29/10(Fri)19:49 No.12615420
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    guns that shoot my soul? wouldent that be terribly hard to find ammo for? oh you mean that uses bullets that hit my soul!

    Wouldent that be kinda pointless unless they phase through physical objects or something?

    >>some dorriat
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)19:51 No.12615450

    Not in the sense of "using your soul as ammunition" but rather: "use your soul as target".

    But I'm certain if I dig deep enough, I'll find some loony who wrote about the russians shooting communist ghosts at America.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)19:55 No.12615483
    waaaait, is that Putin as Balalaika?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)19:56 No.12615493
    Is it weird that every time I hear about this kind of long-winded rambling/displays of "awesomeness" I just imagine the speaker being unceremoniously shot in the head halfway through?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)20:10 No.12615633
    what about a group, lets say paladins, who hunt down wizards who dare to brake masquerade, like murderers and such
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)20:13 No.12615665
    i smell one of two things

    1. brp campeign using cthulhu rules

    2. WOD campeign
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)20:14 No.12615684

    I believe Dumbledore said that the castle appears as ruins if a muggle gets lucky enough to see it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)20:20 No.12615745
    The Affronters arrive in Commorragh and teach the Dark Eldar about how to really be evil.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)22:31 No.12617111
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    Nuke drops on Hogwarts.. You know what happens next.
    >> Anonymous 10/30/10(Sat)00:12 No.12618281

    Damn its like this campaign writes itself, thanks man!
    >> Anonymous 10/30/10(Sat)00:31 No.12618530
    Useful ideas are a subset of technology, yet in Hogwarts, we clearly see many people with functional brains.

    This is tortured semantics, but it still shows that Harry Potter can't be taken seriously as a piece on fictional physics and what is considered technology is a question of what is convenient for the plot.

    By the way, the human body is a lot more complex than many of the devices that malfunction in Hogwarts. Why do ball-point pens fail, but all of the students don't go into cardiac arrest? Plot! Let her have her damn plot device.

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