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    14 KB Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:06 No.12594559  
    hello /tg!

    I was considering making/running a campaign for call of cthulu or don't rest your head or one of those games for my group but thinking of a new setting - don't know if I'll actually do it, but one of the ideas was a world where all chick tracts are actually true.

    For those of you who aren't familiar with them, behold!


    they're kind of ??? and full of wtfkrey, especially the infamous D&D (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP) one where playing a game like this is actually satanic and can drive people to suicide etc. there are more examples, with demons as pretty visible to people IRL and things like that. Is this feasible, /tg? do you have any particular tracts you think would make good fluff for a horror game? I'd be grateful, thanks.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:09 No.12594594
    >a world where all chick tracts are actually true.

    that shit just writes ITSELF, what more do you want?
    >> Tomathy Jones !EUuDlLY8WQ 10/27/10(Wed)22:10 No.12594606
    I love Jack Chick. He spreads the Good News and doesn't afraid of anything. In before lonely atheists derail the thread about how they're perpetual virgins.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:11 No.12594619
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:13 No.12594635

    I'm just debating whether or not it should be a conspiracy - you know, all the PEOPLE ARE WITCHES AND EVERYONES TRYING TO DRAG YOU TO HELL and have the players uncover this bit by bit or whether or not it should be like... obviously true, you know?


    I'm actually rather hoping to avoid religious wankery, if you can believe that. What I'd like is the gradual horror of realising that something that sounds totally insane and unbelievable and like the rantings of a madman is actually true. As in, something like how maybe Chick overstated the religion part, but he was totally right about the demons, only they're not so much demons as eldritch horrors.
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    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:15 No.12594643
    >a world where all chick tracts are actually true.
    DO IT
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:16 No.12594653
    He has a good nine or ten hating on the Catholic Church. Make them some crazy big bad mega-evil of your game.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:18 No.12594669

    I've got to read through them a lot more. It actually does have some potential... considering how the main reason they're funny to us is because LOL WHAT D&D IS MIND CONTROL and so on. But looking at the characters in those tracts and their reactions- I mean, demons around them, constant attacks to their san / wis or whatever, kids killing each other, teachers trying to brainwash your kids, all glazed over with normality- it could be quite a crapsack world if done right.

    It's the 'doing it right' part I'm worried about.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:19 No.12594680
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    >a world where all chick tracts are actually true.


    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:20 No.12594688

    Like I said, I don't really want to focus on the religion aspect so much as I want to get into the horror of it. Ancient conspiracies working to delude people into becoming sacrifices would be fun, though. I just want them to be less about OMG CHRIST IS SAVIOUR and more about oh- oh shit, this is actually our world, and everything we thought of as helping us stand against the true evil that exists is actually not on our side, we're so fucked.
    >> Alpharius 10/27/10(Wed)22:20 No.12594690

    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:23 No.12594715
    And different eras, too. You could play in the near-apocalyptic future, where the UN is persecuting Christians and brainwashing your kids into Gaia-worship and pantheism, fight the Catholic conspiracy any time from the 200s to the 1800s, try to stop the original corruption of Christianity's message and head off Catholicism at the beginning, or liberate people and protect the KJV as a Reformation-era holy warrior.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:25 No.12594738

    Actually, that's a really interesting idea! I was originally thinking a quick one shot set with ordinary characters in the present day, but if I ever expand on this setting then that might be interesting. How a world with... eh, obvious demonic influences would develop. It certainly raises the idea of secret orders as being quite viable.

    In before 'no, YOU ARE THE DEMONS' happens.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:26 No.12594750
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    "Stinky" the demon? Am I supposed to take this seriously?!
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:29 No.12594777
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    >mfw best idea for a Call of Cthulhu campaign evah.
    Jesus Fish, how did I never think of this myself? It's all right there in the tracts, black and white, an extended campaign of conspiracy, madness, and evil waiting to be tapped!
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:31 No.12594798

    It's hard to take all his tracts seriously. That's part of the horror aspect, I'm hoping- turning something that you'd normally laugh at into something that's actually real. And for this one, you know... demons walking around pretending to be human and taking other people in. Also, hell is no joke! For him, at least. So the way I'd probably do it is have it be an alternate or parallel dimension where people can actually be dragged to for eternal torture and pain.

    The interesting thing about them for me is that most people in his tracts seem to carry on relatively normal lives, DESPITE all the rather terrifying stuff around. Wondering how to implement that...
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:32 No.12594811
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    Here's some of that conspiracy. OP, you'll never be able to downplay the religious aspects because there really isn't anything else. You'll have to introduce shades of gray; the characters could be CoC style investigators, non-evil, non-fundie occultists who are walking a fine line between saving others and being damned themselves, or just completely ordinary people who suddenly become aware of the magicians, demons, and secret societies pulling the strings and have to find some way to fight it. I hate to even say it, but perhaps you'd get some ideas from the "Left Behind" series. Plot summaries, at any rate; I doubt they're readable.

    No, they're not Jew rites. It's an Egyptian death cookie. Get it right!
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:32 No.12594817
    and it can actually drive you crazy too!
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:34 No.12594836

    My favorite is Trouble Town with the demons crawling all over the homos and they don't even realize it.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:35 No.12594858
    Teehee. "Jungle Beat." Racism is funny.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:36 No.12594863

    Eurgh, I've tried those before when a friend shoved them at me in high school. Thinking of them from a GM's perspective, though, there could be some use there. I know the religious aspect is hard to hide, but you do have a point. Normal people (maybe lapsed believers or something) suddenly becoming aware that demons are real, hell is real, their neighbour's a witch that's been planning on murdering or controlling their son, that sort of thing. I think the guys I'm playing with will welcome the shades of grey thing, though! Like if demon summoning rites can actually be done, then so can demon banishing rites... but those aren't exactly holy rituals. Damn yourself to save other people? Or seek out aid from a higher power (except, higher =/= good)? This could be interesting.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:38 No.12594881
    >I doubt they're readable.
    They ARE, but just barely. It's a kick-ass idea marred by bad writing and (ironically) WAY too much emphasis on religion.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:38 No.12594882
    Learn real magic with DnD? Fuck year! I'm gonna roll a level 5 college student who uses war wizard spells
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:40 No.12594903

    From the little I recall, the premise was actually interesting. Post apocalyptic scenario where people question why they didn't die along with everyone else, and suddenly angels and demons are among them.

    I have to say, though, that if I were looking for an example of this done well then I'd just go and re-read the Salvation War.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:44 No.12594934
    In Chick's mind (and in the mind of many apocalypse-minded fundamentalist Christians) the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon mentioned in St. John's Apocalypse/Revelation. The Pope is either the antichrist or simply one of the beast's servants.

    Chick's tracts state that the Church is at the head of a massive conspiracy. The Pope and his minions are in control not only of the Papist horde itself, but also secretly created Islam (it's in one of his more hilarious tracts where he claims that Allah is a moon-goddess) and funds Occult/Satanic activity, as well as wicca and other such "new age" cults and religions. Oh, and the church created the Jehovah's Witnesses, too. It makes total fucking sense.

    The Catholics are, of course, in league with other anti-christian conspiracies (International Jewish Banking, Freemasons, the Illumanati, etc. I don't know if he ever made a tract talking about the Rosicrucians, but they're probably a subdivision of the Papacy's conspiracy against Christendom).

    As a Catholic, I find it delightfully old-school. Nobody else seriously levels these sorts of mass-conspiracy allegations at Catholicism anymore. It's kind of refreshing, in a way, compared to the usual molestation stuff.
    >> Alpharius 10/27/10(Wed)22:47 No.12594962

    Must be nice to have your competence so thoroughly overestimated. Any organization capable of effectively marshaling the vast resources Jack Chick claims the Catholic Church has at its disposal is truly an organization to be feared.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:49 No.12594977
    The concept in the barest way possible is mildly interesting. But the way it's written is just ridiculous. Nobody puts two and two together until halfway through the first book, and keep in mind that the apocalypse starts on page 1.

    There's a page-by-page criticism of the entire series somewhere. I wish I could remember where, because it was pretty great (and still ongoing). I remember the author made a great comparison: it's like if one day there were footage of a Star Trek convention being attacked by a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, and then the Enterprise swooped in out of nowhere, destroyed the Klingons, and beamed all of the Trekkies onboard.

    Would all of the people who made fun of Trekkies keep doing it? Or would most people figure out what the fuck was going on?

    It's one of those typical fundamentalist assumptions - people don't believe in their religion/sect because we just haven't heard about Jesus yet. So everyone left behind is obviously totally ignorant of Christianity.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:49 No.12594978
    I'm a Methodist. The worst we ever get is that we like to beat up people who disagree with us.

    My denomination sucks on the Conspiracy-scale.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:49 No.12594979

    I've read the moon god one. It was a little... awkward.

    I think that's the main problem I'm going to have- there's really way too much material in his tracts and some of them are impossible to piece together. Just who is behind the conspiracy? What exactly is the ultimate evil? Is there anything worth damning yourself to hell for?

    Though... considering what you said, perhaps it's better that I don't try to make sense out of all of it. It might be better as horror that way- a vast web of conspiracy to consign everyone to eternal suffering just for the sake of the temporary wealth of a small group of people, which is impossible to truly untangle. With only small pieces of information and the horror that they see unfolding before their own eyes- something like that, anyway.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:51 No.12594992
    Well, clearly the molestation scandal (just as with the defeat of Papal forces by the Garibaldi's forces in 1870) is just a ruse to throw us all of their immense and evil power.
    >> Alpharius 10/27/10(Wed)22:51 No.12594994

    Slacktivist, I believe, or at least something of that nature.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:53 No.12595005
    yeah, that's it
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:54 No.12595013

    OP here. I have to admit that I spent some years in a Methodist school, and actually had moments of ??? and mild horror from some of the things that the Principle said. I know she gave a speech about- if I recall correctly- the evil queen Jezebel and the prophet Elijah and how appealing to the true God worked. She went on to say how since Elijah was right, he took all several hundred of Jezebel's prophets and executed them.

    I remember sitting down and thinking, wait, this guy just killed several hundred people and SHE'S the evil one? A world this crapsack would make for an interesting game...
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:56 No.12595022

    PRINCIPAL, I mean. Augh, can't spell properly at this hour.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)22:58 No.12595045
    Ahhh, I never went to Methodist school. My preacher was actually really chill, he was the one who got my parents to back the fuck off when they were going through their "Oh no, D&D and M:tG and LotR and Harry Potter are teh satanz" phase (I don't hold that against my parents, I think EVERY parent goes nuts over something).
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:00 No.12595068

    Yeah, the strangest thing was that the preachers and the school Christian group were actually all really cool people. I especially liked hanging out with the club, they were always very friendly and welcoming, even though I wasn't a member. It was the administration and some of the non-club members whom I found to be more... weirdly fundamentalist in a not good way. Till now, I haven't yet figured out why.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:01 No.12595075
    The thing about ChickWorld, at least in my understanding, is that it looks exactly the way our world does to an ignorant observer. It's not the World of Darkness, where there are all these inexplicable things happening and everyone is miserable and poor. It's only when you're enlightened that you realize that the UN is planning to pen us up in ghettoes under the guise of "sustainable development" and force us to live solely on vegetables.

    Incidentally, that particular conspiracy theory is from a seriously out-there Catholic community. Well, Catholic for now. They might well be dabbling with Mariolatrous heresies.
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    >force us to live solely on vegetables.
    Sustain a human body on roots and leaves?! DOHOHOHO!
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:04 No.12595106

    Yeah! That's sort of exactly what I'm going for. WoD, from how I've played it, is sort of our world but visibly twisted and a little darker. Fun, but the feeling I'd like is that... say, you're living a normal life and then all of a sudden (or perhaps very slowly) you realise that your neighbour's mad ranting about Satan coming for her is actually true, and your child just came back from school and he's started to say the strangest things, and you haven't seen your pet dog in several days and you can't figure out where he went... and you have no idea why any of this is happening. That's why I was thinking about CoC or Don't Rest Your Head for such a setting, they seem the most appropriate.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:13 No.12595194
    ANYWAY, plans for now:

    - Chick tracts are real. Not in the 'the only way to avoid hell is to accept Christ as your saviour' way, but in the 'demons are actually out there, hell exists, you're fucked' sense.
    - Life is pretty much as is for most people. Families exist, kids go to school, make friends, grow up, and the happy cycle repeats itself.
    - There's a big web of conspiracy (no need to work out details, just steal pieces everywhere from chick tracts) that's keeping people unaware. Every single government or religious decision is actually made with an underlying motive. Good side effects are just that- side effects. Or they're made to lull people into a sense of complacency.
    - Players start suspecting things when... the rumours become a little too real. Or maybe something more supernatural? Maybe a ghost of a dead relative, or visions. It's happened in the tracts, it can happen in game. Ancient evil artefacts as lures to draw people in? Have to work this part out.
    - If the players do have an aim at all, it'll probably be to try to keep themselves and the people they care for safe as opposed to get to the bottom of this crazy mess. But to keep them safe when everything out there wants to kill you and torture you forever, well... it probably won't be too easy.

    Tracts to reference:
    - Anything about the Catholic / Islam / Judaism conspiracies
    - 'The Contract', signing deals with demons and how they work in this world
    - 'Trouble Town', how people react (or don't) to demons around them
    - Anything that's likely to cause san loss for players
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:14 No.12595201
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    You know, my grandmother's apartment is pretty much an arsenal for this sort of campaign. Exorcised holy water with exorcised salt, blessed oils, icons, rosaries, prayers, mystical books, conspiracy theories, you name it.

    Will your characters succumb to the temptation and take up the weapons of idolatrous Catholicism in the hopes they will have material effects against their supernatural enemies? If they do, will they work? Will there be consequences?

    Not that all their enemies have to be supernatural. There could be plenty of deluded, mind-controlled, or evil humans, not to mention the unenlightened police forces unknowingly serving the Great Beast by rounding up crazy people running around with crosses and shotguns.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:17 No.12595248

    I think there'd definitely be an added layer of horror if most of the enemies were human. The question of who's crazy would come up for sure- are you the delusional one? Or are they? Maybe it's all just in your head, but... are you sure you want to take that risk? Something along those lines.

    Also, whoa, your grandmother's apartment. My initial idea was to have the players just be regular people, but the idea of someone who already knows what's going on and is seen as a crackpot but who's taken all sorts of defensive measures does seem interesting. Maybe as an NPC? The idea of it being an old woman who feels perfectly justified in anything she does since she KNOWS she's going to heaven for sure does sound fascinating.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:22 No.12595289
    Consider introducing one or more PCs to magic, only to have them discover later (perhaps through a helpful tract-esque NPC) that all magic is in fact goetic and they have been making deals with THE DEMONS all along.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:23 No.12595291
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    I think the problem that Chickworld presents for any sort of campaign is that the characters Chick presents as protagonists aren't really all that concerned with stopping the Antichrist. That's God's job. The individual just has to get ready for the impending apocalypse.

    So the way you probably have to treat such a campaign (if you want to go beyond just trying to carve out a place to await the end) would be like the TV show Supernatural - the PCs sometimes have goals that are similar to that of fundamentalist Christians and the Heavenly Host, but really the protagonists are trying to preserve the world. They stand between the Satanic Conspiracy and Judgment Day, hoping to prevent either from succeeding.

    Of course, that cause is basically hopeless. Your opponents are all the earthly powers in league with Satan and an omnipotent being. But I guess that's the point of a CoC game, so there you go.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:25 No.12595309

    Certainly considering this. It's probably going to be something like how some sort of magic (not sure what exactly yet) is a really useful weapon against demons- but also has a demonic source. They've been using it unknowingly and slowly damning themselves even further... but if they stop now and accept Christ etc. they'll be saved from eternity in a physical hell! Only they won't have magic, can't fight demons on the same level and will probably die soon since they've been draining their lifeforce or whatever fluff I have for this.

    However, now that they know what it is, if they choose to continue using it... then there's probably no salvation in store.
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    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:28 No.12595329
    Personally, I don't see how encouraging your players to accept Christ and repent is in any way interesting for them. I mean, presuming you're accepting Chick's basic premise, God's side is going to win, and there's really no point in fighting the conspiracy except by running off into the hills and trying to remove the possibility of damning yourself by association with the conspiracy.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:31 No.12595353

    Nnghh, I know. I'm still trying to work out if there's any way to make the 'ACCEPT CHRIST WIN ONE HAPPY ETERNITY' clause can be subverted. Maybe if I make the world even more grim? Have people tell the characters that if they do that, they'll be saved, but have no proof at all of it. And have them see that what they're doing right now works to fight the horrors that exist amongst them, regardless of what anyone else might think. There may be a physical, visible hell, but heaven's a long way off...

    Or I could just cut that whole thing out. It's a pretty big part of the tracts, though, having NPCs and people run around telling others that they're doomed to suffering.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:32 No.12595368

    Uh, do you have any links? I'm afraid I don't go to /new much and wouldn't really know where to look. This guy sounds interesting, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:41 No.12595445
    Derp, bumping for ideas.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:42 No.12595447
    I think that's one way to do it. Remember that in Chick's tracts, physical proof of God's existence only occurs after one of the characters dies or judgment day happens. There's plenty of proof of Satanic influence, and there's plenty of fundamentalists telling people that they're damned if they don't repent immediately, but there is very little in the way of hard evidence of salvation from the characters' perspective. They just accept the Bible as adequate proof.

    So I can see how an average person who uncovers the conspiracies and demons overrunning modern society might not immediately leap to the conclusion that they need to repent and be saved - particularly when God's only promise is that He'll resurrect you after he kicks the Devil's ass. That's a spiritually uplifting message to Christians, but it doesn't make for very great roleplaying, I think.

    A way to approach this, I suppose, is to imagine that everything Chick writes is true, except for the seeming willingness of every person to accept Jesus as soon as a protagonist quotes a few passages of Corinthians or Timothy at them. So assume that the Muslim in the comic about Islam as a conspiracy religion just tells the fundamentalist that he's a fucking infidel and moves on, but he gradually comes to see that there are active evil forces controlling the world. How would he then respond? I don't think he'd convert to Christianity; he'd believe that his own religion's apocalypse was imminent and the Mahdi will soon return.

    So occult investigators and average guys can still go around fighting the devil without necessarily converting (though that's definitely an option), and that conversion should probably have little/no effect in the game. Christianity, after all, is simply the promise of the resurrection in Chickworld, so it's unlikely that it would grant you special powers or anything beyond the ability to resist Satanic mind control.
    >> Anonymous 10/27/10(Wed)23:50 No.12595507

    That's pretty brilliant. The characters would definitely be more suspicious of everyone they meet, and I don't think they'd be as easy to convince as most of Chick's protagonists, especially not when they have so much at stake. And if I can make them believe that there may be a third option somewhere that they can take (whether or not there actually is), I could keep them debating about what exactly they should do about the world that they're living in.

    Having them be vigilantes is one idea, but there's also having them just wanting to get away from something that there's no escape from. Since I suspect one or two may die- and ghosts exist in some of the tracts- I might be able to use dead people as plot devices or plot points as well.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:01 No.12595586
    >And if I can make them believe that there may be a third option somewhere that they can take (whether or not there actually is), I could keep them debating about what exactly they should do about the world that they're living in.

    Yeah, you're dealing with a setting that is necessarily about the nature of reality and the function of religion. I think coming up with reasons for characters to walk the third option (and if you take Chickworld super seriously there is no third option. You're just a tacit minion of Satan who will be as damned as the rest) would be part of the fun.

    Off the top of my head:
    1) Alternate beliefs: As I said earlier, Islam has its own stories about judgment day, as do most religions. A Hindu experiencing all of this might take it as proof of Kalki's imminent arrival (a scary prospect in itself). A Jew might simply see it as the Day of Judgment, minus the Jesus stuff. A non-fundie Christian might see things somewhat similarly to Chick, or they might not - maybe they take an idealist/historical interpretation of the Bible and Revelations, so they don't think the world is ending (making personal intervention in Satan's attempts to rule the world a moral imperative). An atheist might begin to question his beliefs about the supernatural, but depending on what you show them in the game, might not.

    2) Explicit rejection. Imagine Socrates or Kant or someone like that is in Chickworld. His response to Chick and the other fundamentalists would probably be that their God isn't really worth worshiping, regardless of his promises of eternal life. At the same time, he wouldn't like the Devil's plans, obviously. So he takes the third option, regardless of consequences, because it is the only right action. Personally, I'd agree. Chick's vision of God isn't really one that seems benevolent or just.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:07 No.12595639

    Hmm, so... have a world where the Chick tracts are true, but keep the thing about how Christ is the only way to salvation as something that Christian fundamentalists believe in. And there are probably (as in some of the tracts) people who call themselves Christians but who are actually evil, people who say they're Muslims or Catholic but who are actually part of an evil conspiracy and all that- but the players, having being brought up in a world pretty much identical to ours, may hold entirely different beliefs to them, and chose to believe in those instead. Since they don't actually have proof of the existence of God so much as they've got demons and magic users and evidence of people being involved in really nasty business, they'd have a number of options as to how to approach these and address them. Most routes will probably result in major san loss, but hey, it's not exactly happy fun noblebright world.

    The alternate beliefs thing is something that I'll probably put in! Thanks a lot, anon, I'm starting to get a better sense of how exactly to run this campaign.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:08 No.12595647
    Glad I could help. I might give this a shot, too. It seems like a pretty cool idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:27 No.12595784

    The first posts start here chronologically and work backwards through the pages of the archive.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:35 No.12595841
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    This is a wondrous idea, OP.

    This must be archived. Deus Vult!
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:47 No.12595928
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    Lol, the archivist put in the wrong thread. Try again.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:49 No.12595951
    shit I frigged up
    somebody else do it
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)00:53 No.12595988
    Holy fuck bump. This idea is awesome. I've been a fan of Chick's work for a while, If by fan you mean disturbed, and slightly scared of, but incredibly amused by.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:06 No.12596109

    OP here, sorry, was in class for a bit. And, yeah, that's sort of how I feel about Chick's work as well. It's pretty fascinating and almost as good as some of the best fiction out there for just how way out it is- until you start considering that there may be someone out there who actually takes it seriously, and believes that the world's really like that...

    That's rather where the idea came from. Mind if I ask if you have any particular tracts that you're fond of?


    Thanks a lot, anon! I'll be sure to check this out.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:20 No.12596242
    Anyway, OP back. I was reading a few more of the tracts- a bit troublesome, since his site is blocked here, but eh, nothing too hard to get around. He seems to take a very personal approach to evil, like demons actually have the time and resources to corrupt souls one by one. Should I have the players be approached by mysterious figures offering them help and aid? I'd want to be a lot more subtle than how most of this demons go about doing that sort of thing, though, since they're rather blatant in the 'OH HERE HAVE SOME MONEY... all you need to give me is your soul!!!' way.

    Then again, that might work in a Refuge in Audacity sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:21 No.12596258

    Just go Faustian with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:24 No.12596271
    Archived properly this time.


    And so it shall be recorded that another momentous game scenario has been created by the genius of /tg/
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:26 No.12596288

    Going to have to figure out how to put the 'deal' in a way that their characters would seriously consider it. The tract I was reading had a bankrupt farmer saying something like 'I'd sell my soul to keep my farm!'. To update that for less... rural people, maybe curing a son (of one disease, but setting him up for some nasty thing) to corrupt the father? I'd rather play upon emotions than greed, if I'm going to use this in the plot.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:26 No.12596293
    I'm pretty sure Chick beleives in his own work, and I'm of course fond of the D&D one, Though it was the Evolution one that I saw first I think, of which my HS biology teacher owned a copy (For the lulz), but some of my other favorites include Christian Rock (Angels?), and Truckers( Bad Bob). Angels? Is fucking AWESOME. And probably my favorite due to the sheer rediculousness of it, aside from the D&D one.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:30 No.12596319
    By "Faustian" you are referencing Ms. Faust, the creator of My Little Pony, right?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:30 No.12596330

    Yep. You know she made a deal with the devil to sell those things.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:31 No.12596336

    Ah, whoa... I'm kind of really glad that /tg thinks this is a good idea! It's the first time I've started a thread that got archived, haha.


    The first time I saw his tracts, I thought, what a brilliant troll- and then I found out he probably(?) wasn't. It'd take a particularly interesting mind to come up with something like that...

    I've seen Angels! Not the trucker one, though, will go read it next.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)01:39 No.12596414
    Lauren Faust is not the creator if My Little Pony. She's just the developer, producer, storyboard artist, and creative director of the new series.

    She also worked on Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends as the developer, supervising producer, writer, story, story supervisor, storyboard artist, character designer, animation director, story editor and as the inspiration for Frankie. On Powerpuff Girls she was the storyboard artist, writer, director, and supervising director.

    Before that, she was an animator for some minor shit.

    She didn't sell her soul to the devil though, she just married her boss.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:02 No.12597081
    >Implying there's a difference
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:03 No.12597083
    Only if you do anal
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:08 No.12597111
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    I love the alternate beliefs idea, and that was how I was assuming you'd handle the whole "check box, be saved" thing.
    For a non-religious or not-particularly-religious person, the fundamentalist argument is a bit more convincing now that it turns out they were right about evil, but there are still no guarantees.

    By the way, does Jack Chick exist in Chickworld? I can only imagine how persecuted he must be. Might the crackpot neighbor who opens the PCs eyes and gives them some basic tools/info end up being silenced, or perhaps be silenced even before the PCs get there, leaving them to sort through the house and put the pieces together?

    My grandmother is actually a wonderful, kind, very pious, and slightly credulous woman. It's just that in half a century of super-Catholicism, you tend to acquire a lot of things. (As a side note, her washing machine accidentally became a third-class relic.) She also gave me the book in which I found that conspiracy theory about the UN. I'm not even going to try to defend that purchase.

    Just remember, pic related.
    But really, if they're doing goetic magic, you could have something go awry and have the controllers become the controlled, or you could have a mysterious person offer one of them who gets killed another shot at life without making it clear that he's a demon or that there's a contract. (cf "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor 11:14 in, of course, the KJV) With the reach and power of the conspiracy, they could even arrange to kill someone in order to gain a certifiably-damned mortal agent.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:10 No.12597122
    Heart's got a jew nose.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:15 No.12597147
    >read game concept
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:22 No.12597178
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    Supernatural is basically a Call of Cthulhu/White Wolf how-to-guide.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:35 No.12597240
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    Highly relevant tract, what with Halloween coming up. I don't suppose you can get the setting and a group together in three days? It would add a little extra atmosphere.

    This is also a rare-ish example of overt supernatural events in Chickworld.

    Other good ones for the setting:
    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0099/0099_01.asp A local cabal of the conspiracy meets and a feisty old woman saves her granddaughter from death.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.asp Masonry, Baphomet, a fez being a shrine to Allah, parasuicide r/t demonic attack, etc.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5025/5025_01.asp The Apocalypse, including the Pope as the Antichrist and other tangible signs (leave the Rapture out).

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp The Holocaust was masterminded by the Jesuits.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp More apocalypse, this time under one world government.

    Picture is from "Plate Tectonics: Satan's Science" (not really, but that's the message)
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)03:50 No.12597314
    >The Assignment

    I think I may have found my next D&D campaign.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)04:00 No.12597371
    Thanks for your request.
    It has been added to our database and the thread will be archived as soon as enough request for that thread have been made.
    This thread has been requested 1 times now.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)04:02 No.12597382
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    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1036/1036_01.asp Mason possessed by servant of Baphomet

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp The persecution of KJV translators, Satan controlling the Maccabees, and of course, "deep Catholic agents" behind it all.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0007/0007_01.asp Another take on the Apocalypse.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1061/1061_01.asp An angel fighting a skinwalker? I think so!

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0072/0072_01.asp The state of Chickworld.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1062/1062_01.asp Russia and "the Muslims" launch an attack on Israel under papal protection, are defeated by meteorites.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp This isn't particularly relevant, but it's amusing to see Jack Chick mocking someone else's beliefs as silly.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)04:31 No.12597524

    Thank you.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)04:40 No.12597561
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    God hates penises. You heard it here first.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)06:18 No.12597997

    Oh boy, I remember that one. The best part in it were the "spiritual healers" who were some kind of an order of muscular warriors in Torquemada helmets. Those motherfuckers looked BADASS.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)09:38 No.12598893
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    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)09:45 No.12598944
    >7 Greatest world empires
    > Chinese not included
    > Mongols not included
    > British not included
    > Spanish not included
    > Alexander's Empire called "Greece"
    WTF am I reading?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)09:49 No.12598970
    Hardcore christians. They're fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking retarded.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)09:50 No.12598975
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    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:13 No.12599118
    >What I'd like is the gradual horror of realising that something that sounds totally insane and unbelievable and like the rantings of a madman is actually true.
    Then I'd say it's very important not to outright tell your players that it's a horror game.
    A horror game becomes considerably less horrifying when you know it's a horror game.
    It's like watching the 6th Sense and knowing Shyamalan twist. Sure, it's an okay movie with pretty good acting, but the initial surprise-shock is gone.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:17 No.12599146
    Agreed. IMO horror is defined by incongruity. The horror of zombie movies is not really in terms of the zombies, its in terms of what the humans do to each other.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:21 No.12599170
    Precisely. A concrete example: as a horror movie, Shaun of the Dead did great, specifically because of the scene where Shaun has to effectively kill his own mother (if I remember correctly) because she turned into a zombie.
    That shit was like swalling molten lava... fucking brutal...
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:26 No.12599194
    Yeah, that was fucking horrible, in contrast to the rest of the movie being mostly funny and light hearted.

    I really think people who think a horror game should be serious the whole time are missing the point. I've been in a few games where the whole thing was nothing but DEAD KIDS HERE, MY TOWN IS DEEEEEAAAAD THERE, and wondered why people weren't emotionally invested.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:29 No.12599210
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    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)10:43 No.12599278
    If I were running this game, and God willing, some day I will, I'd have the players play their characters as they grow up.

    So the first scenario has the characters at High School, maybe faced with the temptations of underage sex and D&D. And then the next game has them a little older and a little wiser, and facing down something else. Until eventually they're the wise old people dispensing the Truth to the next generation.

    Also, has Chick ever done anything with Barack Obama? That seems like a well of potential evil.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:16 No.12599484
    3-4 months ago, I woulda said "go ask /x/" in a nice, supporting fashion, but I suppose that's a gonner.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:19 No.12599503
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    This guy has to be in it, I don't care how. LOOK AT THAT FUCKING HAT, GODDAMN!
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:22 No.12599517
    My question is one I've never gotten an answer for: Does Jack Chick actually believe the things he discusses are real/the way things happen, or is he just a gigantic troll?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:23 No.12599520
    I loved the evolution one where the kid learns about how creatures who are better able to survive in their environment are more likely to pass on their genes and then IMMEDIATELY BECOMES A WHITE SUPREMACIST.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:24 No.12599522
    With religious nutjobs, you never know.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:24 No.12599523
    I would assume he does. He's been doing this for decades, after all.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:25 No.12599531
    He's like Glenn Beck: there's no way to know. I really, deeply want to believe they're just trolling, because if they're serious then Jesus Christ.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:25 No.12599532
    I've been trolling people my entire life, even before I knew what trolling was.

    Then again, religious folk.
    >> Exalted !OOirDpvrkA 10/28/10(Thu)11:25 No.12599534
    Interestingly, the Tracts never show what happens in Heaven... you could easily say that Heaven is, in fact, an And I Must Scream zone where everyone is turned into artwork for the angels to enjoy.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:28 No.12599555
    Does anyone know what specific tract these two panels are from ?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:31 No.12599574
    Oh wow, Exalted made a good post! Fucking hell, truly, Ragnarok must be near.
    >> Iron Lung 10/28/10(Thu)11:31 No.12599580
    No idea, but he's never been caught laughing at his own material.
    Among the various things in his bio he was born in 1924, drafted into the Army in 1943 (service in the Pacific Theater), and claims to have sold 750 million of his comics.
    He grew up well before the idea of exploiting irony, and he in the sense that we mean is actually Chick Publishing so while he's near death (Chick reported that he had suffered a heart attack while being transported to the hospital suffering from hypoglycemia. Shortly thereafter he had a triple coronary artery bypass. -Wikipedia) the Chick Tract will doubtless be a part of the American cultural freak show for some time to come.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:35 No.12599605
    The Last Generation


    btw, remember that according to Chick, the Catholic Church has the name of EVERY PROTESTANT CHURCHGOER IN THE WORLD on a super-computer...despite the fact that that would be impossible to track.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)11:48 No.12599714

    Not to mention that the "supercomputer" wasn't exactly invented until what, the 50s at the earliest? So the Catholic Church had to have written these names down in thousands of tomes, having to cross out each person that died and write new ones for every one born. And unless they are THAT anal-retentive about documentation, I imagine a whole lot of people will end up being unrecorded in the transition.


    Probably assumed you sing the glory and praise of God every moment you're up there, and mot much else, considering anything worthwhile is considered "sinful". That's what I got from all these, anyways.

    But you know, that might make the scariest revelation of them all. The fact that despite "salvation" and God being "just and fair", he's really just a massive, egotistical prick who's only in it for himself, "saving" his children only if they submit to complete obedience to him.
    >> Exalted !OOirDpvrkA 10/28/10(Thu)11:54 No.12599756
    >The fact that despite "salvation" and God being "just and fair", he's really just a massive, egotistical prick who's only in it for himself, "saving" his children only if they submit to complete obedience to him.
    The Chickverse makes this pretty much canon. He says he's not, but his actions show otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)12:15 No.12599915
    He just loves tossing people into lakes of fire.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)12:22 No.12599990
    I know this thread is all just opinions, but here's an idea that might work:

    God doesn't care. Humans have all fucked up too many times, and the only one that's actually trying to help us is Jesus.

    Heaven and Hell are both under the impression that they can win, but they're fighting an endless stalemate and humanity is suffering for it.

    Hell is, basically, Dante's Inferno, verbatim. Heaven is a limitless expanse where the air is a palpable mist of condensed bliss, to keep its inhabitants complacent. Neither is too much better or worse than Earth, save for the proximity to those in charge of them.

    Evil winning will kill everyone off.

    Good winning will cause the world to stagnate, and die.

    The third side of neutrality, the people on Earth that only want this shit to stop, can win, but they need a miracle that comes only from themselves to pull it out.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)12:45 No.12600215
    We've forgotten the most important thing here. Is D&D going to be evil in this game?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)13:08 No.12600451
    It's gotta be, it definitely is in chick's mind. The campaign, at least part of it, has to be about the pc's trying to put a stop to the roleplaying menace. For instance, they could would be to create an forum that is ostensibly for enthusiasts of these devil games to talk about and trade ideas for them, but let it (or cause it to) get so full of trolls, perverts and autistic teenagers that people begin to abandon the hobby in disgust. Oops left my snark lock on, but seriously, yeah, I would say in the chickiverse, roleplaying is evil and dangerous
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)13:31 No.12600625
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    Pic heavely related to my reaction
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)13:51 No.12600778
    I want a chick fillet
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)13:59 No.12600835
    >They're suggesting that people should "share their love" with children that come to their comes trick-or-treating.

    I think you get arrested for that.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)15:10 No.12601497
    Chick also has a bunch of comics going into greater detail about the occult, the Catholic conspiracy, etc. http://www.chick.com/catalog/comiclist.asp

    Unfortunately, they're not readable online. I'll see if one of our agents can get scans.

    I forgot one of the funniest Chick tracts: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0945/0945_01.asp

    Knowingly allowing your friends to slide into the fiery pit doesn't keep you out of heaven, apparently. And let's look at his converts:
    -A woman who believes she and her family have psychic abilities
    -A guy who was high at the time
    -Some lady, no info.
    -A 10 y/o.
    -A police officer and his wife
    -A teenager who was considering attempting suicide with a .22 pistol. I suppose he might have eventually hit something important, gotten lucky, or just bled out slowly.

    Jack Chick, who believes that D&D is done with costumes and real magic, still properly used the Staff of Asclepius instead of a caduceus in his fake one-world WHO logo (p. 17). I mad.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)15:54 No.12602028
    There are so many great things in that comic.
    - The Anti-Catholic stuff (A Jesuit announces the reeducation/extermination camp order; the "Mother Goddess" is a clear reference to Marian devotion and apparitions)
    - "We inserted microchips to increase the pain" might be one of the best lines ever.
    - Bobby is just the meanest little shit, and is a great window into fundamentalist anxieties about losing control of their kids
    - Spiritual Healer outfits. These would make great (if obscure) Halloween costumes
    - God saves the day by killing all of His followers.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)16:00 No.12602101
    what's wrong with /x/?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)16:44 No.12602521
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    Agreed, but there might be a character worse than Bobby, at least out of context.

    I'm not a fan of the "Heaven and Hell both suck" approach to getting your players to go their own way. I'd rather have what happens after death remain a mystery; it offers your players more options and more plausibility. A character might still have a NDE involving Hell, or see a vision of Heaven, but he has no way of knowing if it's accurate or more demonic tricks, and so how he reacts to it becomes an important decision.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)16:51 No.12602576
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    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)17:14 No.12602732
    >Jesuit conspiracy

    What's next? Jewish magic striking the roman Emperor?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)17:47 No.12603014
    Don't you know anything? The Pope IS a Roman Emperor or "Caesar"
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)17:56 No.12603084

    Are you some kind of Protestant?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:00 No.12603116
    The great thing about Chick's takedowns of the Catholic Church and Islam is how he attempts to use history and archaeology to shore up his biblical arguments, but it's always like he read about a third of the way through whatever book he's using* to debunk his enemies. Hence the pope being a successor to Caesar and Allah being a moon god (the story of which sounds a lot like the story of the Satanic Verses - not the Rushdie book so much but the actual event).

    *Of course, he's using the whole book, it's just that the books he quotes from were written by even bigger liars and idiots than him. You know, histories written by fundie historians.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:02 No.12603135
    If it was in a Chick Tract, it MUST be true!
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:03 No.12603141
    It's hard to take his sources seriously when they're all published by CHICK PUBLISHING.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:05 No.12603162
    Also, it's not like you have to enter your name to attend a church service. Unless they had spies literally everywhere, they'd never be able to keep track.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:06 No.12603178
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    lol so true

    Pretty sure he's referencing Chick's "Papa" tract:
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:10 No.12603209
    I love how Chick makes all the bad people look INSANELY UGLY.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:10 No.12603213
    To be fair, most churches tend to keep pretty good records of births, deaths, baptisms, marriages, etc. in their congregation. The Catholic Church certainly does.

    So it would be possible to have a list of a great many practicing protestants out there. And, I'm sure, in Chickverse the Pope has access to this because of his numerous minions who work as spies in various mainline protestant churches (the kind that don't believe that the Pope is the antichrist or that the UN is part of a Satanic conspiracy).

    Besides, what the fuck are monks for besides copying down information?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:12 No.12603229
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    >Spies everywhere

    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:18 No.12603282
    "Moving into our mansions in heaven" is matched only by the "New Age Healer."

    Tingle-Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:18 No.12603283
    Things I learned today:
    >Nobody read the bible until the Protestant Reformation
    >Moon Gods. Moon Gods everywhere.
    >Satan routinely appears on earth and murders people for shits and giggles.
    >Hippies are in league with the Nazis and the Catholics to kill your pets and promote Satanism
    >Britain, China, the Soviets, the Nazis, and America don't count as "Great Empires."
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:22 No.12603328
    Britain and China sure but the others are not realy empires

    Soviet Union may be a borderline example
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:30 No.12603380
    >Pretty sure he's referencing Chick's "Papa" tract:

    Wow...now according to less biased sources, the obelisk actually used to stand south of the basilica. Nevermind that it was mostly moved there because Paul was said to have died close to it. But yeah, it's Chick. He does not care for your silly faith.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:32 No.12603399

    Most of what you see as the Soviet Union is colonial land the Czar won during the 19th century. They were heirs to an empire.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:45 No.12603540
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    >MFW Jack Chick shit-talks the Quakers and Masons.

    It's like he's a fucking ¶Seer of the Throne¶.

    Oh shit, that explains everything.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)18:49 No.12603579
    True, though Soviet attempts to rule and modernize areas like Turkestan and Kazakhstan used the same sorts of methods as the French in Algeria. If anything, the Soviet Union's rule over its periphery was more similar to a modern empire than the Czar's attempts.

    But that's not really the point of the thread.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)19:07 No.12603709
    Didn't the Catholics apparentyl START the Soviet Revolution, despite the fact that they were atheistic?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)19:10 No.12603732
    So the OP's setting is basically Good Omens, but set in America with the BATSHIT CRAZY and Grimdark in the back of every American's head being a real force?

    Also, the Catholics started retconning the bible since BEFORE they even got together, the divergent denominations all use a bible that was retconned at some point, unless they're very shrewd archaeologists, and the only real examples of that(IF YOU BELIEVE THEM) are the RO church, the Masons(Gnostic Christianity predates Catholicism), and the Knights Templar(who were executed for performing EVIL JEW WITCHCRAFT.)

    Also, if the only way to avoid going to Hell is to follow God's Word AS IT WAS WRITTEN, then everyone except an incredibly small minority which none of us belong to will end up in hell, so it's aarrhh. Fuck it. It's better to just trust that the universe has some sort of inherent fairness.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)19:17 No.12603800
    According to Chick, that fairness is God and if you don't follow the rules, you won't see fairness.

    Fundies are all psychos.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)19:25 No.12603869
    Well, duh. Everyone knows that.
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    What kind of parents send their terminally-ill daughter out on Halloween with only her brother to look after her?

    >Secular-humanist scum, that' who.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)19:33 No.12603958
    Actually, he didn't execute him - he killed them with his bare hands. 300. He was superpowered.

    She was 'evil' because she tempted Shlomo/Salamon from the way of God, and earlier, when he wanted a vineyard that one of his people refused to sell him, framed the owner of the wineyard and got him stoned to death so that Salamon could have it.
    >> 01011001 !!q8KxB04TJME 10/28/10(Thu)20:17 No.12604376
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    It's all over. Everything's ashes. Bobby died of AIDS, Jim O.D.'d.

    And Don is into vampirism.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)22:06 No.12605398
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)22:46 No.12605933

    This one isn't terribly relevant, except when they claim that Jesus is the binding force of atoms.

    Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Strong Nuclear Force.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:13 No.12606305
    Which is that from?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:18 No.12606358
    See, the Catholics lie and say that it's just some brute force of the universe. Well, that's what they say through their puppets: the scientific establishment. What they tell their sad, deluded followers is that the pope himself commands God to hold atoms together, and God is obliged to comply.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:24 No.12606437
    There's a reason scientists call unknown powers and variables the God Factor.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:24 No.12606443

    Actually the implication is most of the world is either in denial or outright possessed. Try the Left Behind For Kids series, which is a bit less heavy-handed and, despite the title, more oriented towards teenagers than anything else. There's a scene in one book (though it's been a while, and I may be recalling it incorrectly) where a high school girl gets attacked by one of her teachers who just found out she was a Christian, and is handcuffed and forced into the teacher's car to be driven to a police station for re-education. Then the Worldwide Earthquake happens, the car nearly falls into a massive bottomless chasm, and when the girl tries to help the teacher escape before the car falls over the edge the teacher turns out to be a demon that tries to kill her.

    She gets away, only for the police to accuse her of murder later. She winds up having to hide with a bunch of other Christians in nuked-out Chicago or something after the Antichrist reveals his true nature (ie, after getting shot in the head, coming back to life, and declaring himself a god) and starts forcing everyone to worship him.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:25 No.12606446
    I don't get the Apocalyptic Fundamentalists' obsession with the UN taking over everything. The UN barely has any power at all. It's just a useful forum.
    >> 01011001 !!q8KxB04TJME 10/28/10(Thu)23:27 No.12606473
    Angels? It's the Christian Rock one.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:29 No.12606495
    That's what the Pope /wants/ you to think. He runs the UN from his seat in Rome.* That's why the titular head of the UN is called the "General Secretary" - he is actually a secretary in the Roman Curia.**

    * - see Ephesians 4:17
    ** - for more information see "HERESY!" available from Chick Publications.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:32 No.12606519
    >Actually the implication is most of the world is either in denial or outright possessed.
    Well, the second works, but the first is kind of the point - at some point you'd think more people would start putting the pieces together. I mean, unlike ChickWorld, the Left Behind books have all kinds of supernatural shit happen every fucking day. Russia launches a nuclear strike on Israel and all the missiles just disappear mid-air. AND NOBODY ASKED WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:32 No.12606520
    AND the General of the Catholic's secret billion-strong army, right?
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:35 No.12606548
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    1 Kings 18:24,38-40, notable for making it on Cracked's "9 Most Badass Bible Verses" article. What your principal forgot to mention is the prophets that got killed were Baal worshipers who conducted child sacrifice.

    Even the Romans didn't like these guys. I'm pretty sure I remember they stamped out the cult of Baal after they destroyed Carthage, the last kingdom where it was in widespread practice.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:36 No.12606557
    Ah, I see you've read "The Papist Horde and YOU: A Guide to the Impending End Times."*

    * - Available from Chick Publishing
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:36 No.12606559
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    The masses rolled to disbelieve.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:39 No.12606603
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    >classical music
    Who knew that Phillip Glass was a front for the Satanic Conspiracy? Well, I always had my suspicions after Kuynafuckingwhatever.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:40 No.12606613

    wait, so that guy died of AIDS in one week? Damn.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:41 No.12606623
    Holy shit. OP here, and I did not expect this thread to be still up- I thought it'd have died off by now, honestly. Read through all the other comments and certainly noting down the relevant ones!


    I don't really want to fool my players into rolling for one sort of game and then playing another, because that's just not very enjoyable, in my opinion. What I do hope to do is to basically make them think it might be a one sort of horror (the scream/shock type) as opposed to a more... muted sort.


    I am planning on doing this! Thanks for the comment. Right now I'm figuring to have the protagonists realise that while they may be able to escape hell, heaven is not exactly a paradise either. Since Chick didn't elaborate on what heaven is like (but does note that they have elaborate statistics on EVERY HUMAN BEING, same as hell) I can probably use them as antagonists. Between the devil and the angels and fucked either way, I guess...


    Ohh, thanks! These are useful, will read the ones I haven't seen yet.


    The game right now is set more in a typical present day scenario than it is in a post apocalyptic period, but if I plan on making this any more than a quick campaign, something like that may be fun to look into... like an earlier anon pointed out, this setting could lend itself to a number of time periods.

    If anyone else is thinking of using this as a game setting, please do! I'd really be curious to hear how you're planning on doing Chick World.
    >> 01011001 !!q8KxB04TJME 10/28/10(Thu)23:50 No.12606714
    No, a week after Jim OD'd.

    The other guy died of AIDS after 3 months and a week.
    >> Anonymous 10/28/10(Thu)23:58 No.12606802
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    Here's a full-color, comic-sized exposition of how the Catholics are running the world and the truth behind the Jesuit-masterminded Holocaust.

    Notable points:
    -Ignatius of Loyola founded the Illuminati.
    -The Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln,
    -The Jesuits ghostwrote much of Marx and Engel's work.
    -The Jesuits, together with Jews loyal to the Pope, wrote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
    -The Church started WWI and were planning WWII even before it had ended.
    -To quote Abraham Lincoln, "The Jesuits never forgive nor forsake."
    -The Russian Revolution was planned to wipe out the Orthodox church, but the Bolsheviks double-crossed the Pope in exchange for the czars' gold stash.
    -The Weimar Republic's economic troubles were caused by Catholics being directed to buy land.
    -The Ethiopians were fighting the Italian invasion force with spears and shields.
    -"Mein Kampf" was also ghostwritten

    You know what, just read it yourself. Every page is a new wonder.
    Also, there's a museum dedicated to Chick tracts:http://chickcomics.com/

    >Besides, what the fuck are monks for besides copying down information?
    Making delicious preserves and excellent beer. And that's only one order.

    Be fair. He also makes the "good" people look insanely ugly.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:00 No.12606820


    These are the people who believe that everyone who listens to music other than gospel or reads a book other than the bible will go to hell because IDOLATRY. They think that the rich got where they were because GOD LOVES THEM. These are the people who think Mark Chapman is a SAINT! They don't make any sense, and they never will and our best recourse is to kill them and their children.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:00 No.12606822
    >-To quote Abraham Lincoln, "The Jesuits never forgive nor forsake."
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:00 No.12606824
    >Notable points:
    Holy shit it makes total fucking sense. And all of the evidence that would seem to indicate otherwise is just disinformation put out by the Pope/Devil.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:03 No.12606850
    >Mark David Chapman is a saint

    I know someone who actually believes that shit.

    I need to move out of this shithole country.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:07 No.12606897
    Personally, I think it is our multiplicity of opinions that makes this country great.

    Unless you actually live in Burundi or whatever. In that case, more power to you.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:14 No.12606983
    >Dr. Nick: The Catholic Church has always wanted to move to Jerusalem, natch.
    >Timmy: Well, what stopped them if they're such a powerful force for evil?
    >Dr. Nick: it was the jews lol

    Yeah, it certainly wasn't like the region was under the control of various Muslim empires for the last millennium or anything, even if that was the super secret goal of the pope.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:16 No.12606999
    Duh, the Muslims are controlled by the Catholics DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:16 No.12607000
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    Of course it makes sense! Here's further explanation, perhaps from Mr. Chick himself:

    "CHARGE NO. 3

    Rivera's "Conspiracy Theory" is extreme and paranoid.

    Answer: There are only two ways in which world history can be explained:

    1. The accidental theory. All events, such as those world depressions, revolutions, wars and political plots are the results of pure chance. Such a view is as ridiculous as belief in evolution!

    2. The conspiratorial theory. World events such as mentioned above, take place because some influential people want them to happen and make them happen. People with power meet behind closed doors and work out plans to achieve their aims. The most precise way to describe such conduct is - conspiracy. "
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:22 No.12607057
    And here's the book it's from: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199cont.asp

    Links to content are at the bottom of the page.

    And here's another: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp

    You probably won't find many specifics. It should be enough for the campaign to know that everything stinks of Popery and the Jesuits are basically the 40k Inquisition, except unified.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:24 No.12607080

    It goes back to the whole "one world government" thing in Revelations. You see, anything that promotes nations actually coming together and discussing things diplomatically instead of howling at each other like banshees over stupid crap and starting wars every six months is seen as a jump-start to the "NEW WORLD ORDER", and therefore, the end times.

    THIS is partly why any diplomatic solution to a problem in America is fought against tooth and nail. It's seen as the leaders promoting the "NEW WORLD ORDER", and makes us look "weak" (read: HOMOSEX). And along with the typical American fundie's knack for literally demonizing anything that disagrees with them, you can see why America is in the mess it's in right now.

    But personally? I'm more afraid of some jackass wealthy fundie jump-starting the apocalypse through manipulation just so he can get into heaven quicker.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:34 No.12607192
    The Jesuit oath, initiation, and secret signs:

    The Knights of Columbus are going to play a major role in the Catholic takeover, and more about the Pope's plan for America: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_11.asp

    Alright, I give up. This is at least as bad as wading through Scientology documents, possibly worse. Hubbard didn't believe his own work, and he was a different kind of crazy.

    Good luck with the game.

    What? Jesuits? Oshi-
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:39 No.12607250
    You forgot the "best."

    There is a now-discontinued tract that literally states that you can rape you daughter repeatedly and pimp her out to the neighbors but you will still go to Heaven if you say you accept Jesus as your savior.

    I had the tract a long time ago but sadly it's gone away...
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:40 No.12607266
    My brain hurts ;_;
    Hey wait, didn't the Pope call for the Crusade against the Muslims? Why would the Church want them to fight each other if it was controlling them? And I thought that Muhammed decided to make the Moon-God the One God so he would have a powerful tribe behind him in his bid for power.

    It's almost like none of this makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:41 No.12607274
    You do realize there are a fuck load of PRAGMATIC reasons why a one world government is a terrible fucking idea, right? Giving up liberties in exchange for, um... nothing whatsoever in return is always a bad choice.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:44 No.12607320
    Yes, but the reasons people use in his post are borderline retarded.

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:46 No.12607341
    There are lots of good reasons for a one world government though. Such as efficiency, less wars aside from civil ones and an easier time being able to move around and do what you want.

    What liberties are you talking about? One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:49 No.12607361

    Well there you go. And I haven't particularly heard that one.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:49 No.12607362
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    Oh good, I found it! Read and watch as any faith you had in humanity magically disappear! Thanks Jack!
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    And that concludes the worst storytime ever. As well as proof that Jack Chick is batshit crazy and I do not wanna live in his world.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:53 No.12607421
    Most of the people in the US, who are against World Government like to cite religious reasons though. At least the large evangelical population. It's pretty retarded. But in OP's game, it might very well be the only thing preventing the Elder Gods from arising.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)00:53 No.12607428


    Somebody doesn't live in California.

    >less wars aside from civil ones

    One world government = one 'country.'
    So of course all wars would be civil ones, and there's no guarantee there'd be less of them or the scope of their devastation.

    >One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.

    So the U.N. which we have right now qualifies for one world government? Seriously, that's what I'm getting from you, and I'm not sure you're communicating your point effectively.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)00:56 No.12607453
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    Here, OP. I've designed a handout you can give your players after they figure out part of the conspiracy.

    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:00 No.12607491
    Be sure that it's poorly-xeroxed and smells a little like burnt cheese when you give it to them. That's what every fundamentalist tract I've ever been handed has been like.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:06 No.12607569
    Of course, I knew Big Business was in league with the Communists. The entire puzzle all fits into place now! I MUST GO TELL THE PEOPLE!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:07 No.12607584

    Well, it rather depends on the nature of that one world government, don't you think?

    How about a one world government that's super libertarian where all corporations are allowed to practice as unethical business and industrial standards as they like and that no national government is permitted to impose fines for pollution and shit, until the whole damn earth is turned into some nasty 40k forge world?

    Or how about the reverse, a super eco freak one world government where they can punish countries for being too populated ("we're not telling you to conduct involuntary sterilization, but lets just say you'd better get that taken care of") or whatever?

    A little extreme of examples but as the more lofty and distant a political office becomes the more vile and empty the campaigning for it becomes.

    There are literally infinite possibilities for abuse, and what is there to gain? A little extra convenience for the idle rich who want to vacation somewhere? How the fuck would it be governed, democratically? That'd just mean big countries can abuse smaller countries at will. And I don't need to point out the problems with a non democratic world government.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:08 No.12607593
    Don't forget your Bible, to ward off those pesky Catholics!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:11 No.12607624
    >A little extra convenience for the idle rich who want to vacation somewhere?
    I think one of the chief aims of world federalism-types is the growth of world democracy. The whole idea is that under a single world government, there would be enough power (and, more importantly, obligation) for the world to stop things like genocide, and the developing world would have a legal and political system that would permit their economic growth.

    Maybe that's naive, but I think the goals of world government supporters are far loftier than you're making them out to be. The benefits are pretty clear.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:11 No.12607628
    what. the fuck.

    that's just sad and horrifying.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:12 No.12607640
    You can easily imply that all governments on Earth just benefit the rich. Otherwise how did they get rich in the first place?! The world already sucks, and countries are already treated terribly like most of Africa and the Middle East, not to mention parts of Asia and even Eastern Europe. It isn't as though having their own singular countries has helped out at all. In the end though, it'd depend on the type of government. Obviously if you choose the most extreme examples you'll get terrible outcomes, the same thing would happen if either of those took place in the US or China.

    This discussion would be best suited in another thread, made into a more /tg/ topic. Such as how a one world government would work on Earth in an RPG setting.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:13 No.12607657
    That was in response to this person, by the way. Oh God I hope he remembered his bible!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:14 No.12607666
    But it has to be a King James Version! Even though the NLT version was actually better translated from the original Greek and Hebrew!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:15 No.12607682
    Yeah, better translated alright. BY SATAN!
    Begone devil, with your hatetext!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:23 No.12607755
    >I think one of the chief aims of world federalism-types is the growth of world democracy.

    So they're going for irony points here? How the fuck is an intrinsically non-democratic government going to spread democracy? Healer, heal thyself.

    >The whole idea is that under a single world government, there would be enough power (and, more importantly, obligation) for the world to stop things like genocide

    Man, the uploaditarian transhumanists already gave me the spiel that to solve all injustice we just need to create something to be our unquestionable ruler and shovel power into its mouth and nothing can go wrong. The UN already has more than enough power to stop genocide.

    >I think the goals of world government supporters are far loftier than you're making them out to be.

    Yes, everyone in the history of everything has high, noble ideals. Your intent, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:27 No.12607779
    >Obviously if you choose the most extreme examples you'll get terrible outcomes, the same thing would happen if either of those took place in the US or China.

    Uh, the Chinese government is already about as depraved as you can get. Cancer towns? Execution vans? Come on, now.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:29 No.12607795
    >So they're going for irony points here? How the fuck is an intrinsically non-democratic government going to spread democracy? Healer, heal thyself.
    I don't think you really understand what we're talking about here.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:29 No.12607801
    Government-sponsored horrors are a hole with no bottom. They can always make it worse.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:32 No.12607833
    Yes, I realize that a non-democratic world government could have as part of its charter to spread hope and joy freedom and liberty and equality and peace and democracy and tolerance and hope and joy and liberty and joy to all the world.

    That being said, accomplishing positive change is probably better done with an organization that isn't inherently hypocritical to begin with.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:32 No.12607842
    You know, at least the Catholic priest will tell you that you have to turn yourself in to the police to get absolution.

    Holy fuck what an awful message.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:32 No.12607843


    How can they live in America and say this shit? Do they not get that this is what British Protestants used to say about US? That FREEMASONS AND JEWS AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER were the boogeymen they used to explain away America's independence? Goddamnit these people are dense.

    The sole reason the brits ranted about how Freemasons are an EVIL CONSPIRACY UNDERMINING OUR WAY OF LIFE is because they refused to break ties with their American brothers. Goddamnit. It's like our country is run by the same assholes we rebelled against three hundred years ago.

    Wait. That's exactly WHY they have the language and demeanor of those assholes, it's because they keep reincarnating in good civilizations so they can fuck them up.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:32 No.12607845
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:33 No.12607855
    No, what you seem to not be getting is that a world government does not imply a non-democratic government.

    In any case, you are derailing the thread.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:34 No.12607866
    This...this is beautiful. If you were an attractive woman, I'd be in love with you OP. You must do this. It is your destiny.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:36 No.12607880
    >It's like our country is run by the same assholes we rebelled against three hundred years ago.
    Despite what you may have been lead to believe, Chick's opinions form a distinct, very tiny minority in American politics.

    You can compare him to generic fundamentalists, but his beliefs are that taken up to about 500000. Most would agree with him on theological matters, but relatively few buy into the conspiratorial nonsense. They might believe that freemasonry and rock and roll and dnd are immoral, but rarely do they believe that they are a conspiracy by the UN and Vatican to destroy Christendom.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:40 No.12607919
    >No, what you seem to not be getting is that a world government does not imply a non-democratic government.

    Oh, wonderful, you actually think a democratic one world government would be a good thing? The arms race to become the most overpopulated shithole of a country so you can get more political power begins!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:43 No.12607938
    See, that's why most proponents of democratic world government believe in some sort of republican system of checks and balances. You know, like we have in America, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and much of the rest of the first world.

    It's not a bad system, really. It has worked very well. It's not perfect, but if there is any model for world government that could work, it's that.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)01:48 No.12607973
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    For those of you ignoring the thread even though it's on the front page, let me tl;dr it for you.

    1. 'Jack Chick is right' - the 'jesus loves you' part) + Call of Cthulhu = an excellent thought exercise and interesting setting.

    2. One-World government, like many things with lofty ideals, works terribly in practice. It's even more easily corrupted than normal democracy, which is the worst system of government except all the other ones we've thought of so far.

    Also, for a bonus: the world's childrens' book least likely to be published.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:50 No.12607983

    OH. MY. GOD.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:53 No.12608005
    >One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.
    Well, I suppose technically some places could not be under the one government, and thus entirely bereft of law. But one government means only one set of laws.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:54 No.12608013

    Federalism, dude. This isn't a hard concept.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:54 No.12608018
    Its easy to imagine the Powers That Be giving different laws to different countries and obviously some local laws would remain.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:55 No.12608027

    >Somebody doesn't live in California.

    >Take away the government's ability to collect property taxes
    >Wonder why the state is broke
    >Keep worshipping Ayn Rand anyway. Fail to learn your lesson about self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Fuck off Califag. We aren't giving OUR FUCKING TAX DOLLARS to pay for a state populated entirely by deadbeat assholes and money launderers.

    That's what happens when you do things the Reagan way. You end up having to pay YOUR well earned tax-monies to subsidize Valley People.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:57 No.12608046
    Okay, folks, bring this back on topic. How is California's bankruptcy a product of Popery and D&D?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)01:59 No.12608073
    That's not one government. That's a whole bunch of governments, with one governing the others.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:00 No.12608084
    OP here! Regarding the Lisa comic- the part I like the most about it is how creepy the angelic guy is. It's practically blackmail, all 'hello. did you rape your daughter? I can make it so that you won't suffer in hell! just accept jesus (:' and I'm actually planning on having the players now be contacted around the mid point by a nice guy who tells them as much. By this time I hope they'll have committed at least a fair amount of crimes to keep themselves and the people they care about safe. It's interesting that in Chick's world, both devils and angels have the same method of operating... in fact, one follows the other. It's sort of like:

    1) Get person in debt
    2) Devil offers them a way out + hell
    3) Now person faces hell instead of debt
    4) Angel offers them a way out + heaven

    ...You'd think it's some sort of even bigger conspiracy, wouldn't you? Put that way. I'm curious as to how my players will react. I'm pretty confident they'll figure this out, but as to what they'll do, I don't know.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:00 No.12608085

    You forgot the part about requiring a 2/3rds majority to pass a budget. And the 2/3rds majority to levy new taxes of any kind.

    Seriously, California is the best example of why you shouldn't listen to the big libertarian anti-tax brigades.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:00 No.12608086
    Nobody's asking for your tax dollars, faggot.

    Unless you live in California anyway, in which case stop being a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:01 No.12608088
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    Wow, that makes total fucking sense!!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:01 No.12608093
    Yes. When people say "they want a one world government" they mean "one government to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:03 No.12608106
    I get that vibe all the time from born againers. "Just say the magic words to accept Jebus.. and it'll all, be better! Just try it...." definitely makes me think, ironically, of Faustian bargains.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:03 No.12608109

    Okay, you're using a different definition of government and what constitutes one than like everyone else in this thread. By that definition the US has no single government. Which is silly unless you're one of the hard core states rights types that wish we'd stuck with the Articles of Confederation and the national paralysis it caused.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:03 No.12608111

    I would also draw your attention to where we can't cut services at all forever either.

    This is what happens when you listen to hippies and FOR THE CHILDREN democrats.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:04 No.12608119
    True. In Chickworld, it seems that the best way to save yourself from the fires of hell is to rape your daughter or sell your soul to the devil or actively tell a bunch of Christians to fuck off, because then something will happen to you and mega-awesome Christian will show up, witness to you, and get you saved.

    But if you're just average joe who masturbates every other day and tends to curse a lot during football games, you're totally fucked.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:04 No.12608124
    There's an amendment on the ballot come November 2 to make passing the budget a simple majority. The 2/3rds majority on taxes wouldn't be a problem, except the Republican Party (by which I mean the party government, not elected officials or affiliated citizens) is causing trouble by refusing to endorse any candidate that votes for increased taxes.
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    >"one government to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:05 No.12608135

    I hadn't originally intended that, since I was originally going for a just 'the devils are real and there is no god' sort of feeling, but this thread made me reconsider- the idea of a way out being offered, but being every bit as shiftily as the way to hell, is rather interesting.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:05 No.12608138

    Hell, I'd settle for fewer inviolable federal laws and MANY more state and local laws.

    That's what 'states rights' is supposed to mean, but everybody thinks 'REINSTATE SLAVERY' when they hear it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:06 No.12608140

    Some of us don't want to live in a Dickensian shithole where the glitterati in LA live fabulous lives walled off from the rest of us rioting for bread. I like having a functional middle class and not exposing large numbers of people to effectively inescapable poverty.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:06 No.12608151

    Okay, so you're a Ron Paul fan. Just understand you're a little outnumbered by people who like having a central government.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:06 No.12608153
    That's federalism for you!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:07 No.12608159

    I'm pretty sure one of the other tracts- the contract, I think, had a guy who signed his soul to the devil, did a bunch of bad shit, repented at the last minute and escaped hell, His decent cousin (or brother, I forget) who never signed any contract and was a pretty normal bloke, however, went to hell and met Beelzebub, who was all 'LOL O U, I don't need a contract! It's just for fun'.

    And he didn't seem too upset about losing the first guy, either...
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:09 No.12608168

    Oh, I adore federal government. I just wish it'd be one-size-fits-all on fewer topics instead of letting, say, california remove uterine parasites and texas prohibiting killing the unborn, to use the vernacular of each culture.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:09 No.12608171
    Oh yes! I remember this one. I think it was actually called The Contract or something.


    Ahaha. I think not Captcha.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:09 No.12608174
    Yeah, and the rock music one pulls a similar deal.
    I mean, it makes sense, I guess. I doubt God would be all that interested in guaranteeing Satan's business contracts.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:10 No.12608177
    That's correct, the US has very many governments. Assorted local governments are presided over by their respective state governments, and the state governments (as well as the territory governments and the District of Columbia) are governed by the federal government.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:11 No.12608182
    > That's what 'states rights' is supposed to mean, but everybody thinks 'REINSTATE SLAVERY' when they hear it.

    No, what they think is "SEGREGATION." Which is exactly what many of the states did when it was left up to them.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:13 No.12608199

    Exactly. I figure we tried it and states weren't terribly responsible with it. States are useful as local laboratories to see if something works or not (like this weed thing in Cali) but we definitely need a federal government that can bring them back in line when they step out of it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:13 No.12608207
    He never said he wanted to eliminate central government.

    I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but I suspect I disagree with you.

    The distinction is irrelevant to his point.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:13 No.12608210

    Mn, in Chick's world, being a good person doesn't get you out of hell or into heaven or any of that sort of thing.

    I'm wondering if I should have an NPC or an antagonist who wants to find a way to be immortal, since he or she decided that hell isn't a nice place and heaven isn't likely to be any better. Screwing over everyone on earth and avoiding death would seem like an understandable choice, in that regard. I was planning on having churches and other such things be fronts for a conspiracy, the way he paints it, so if someone like that was at the head of the conspiracy... hmmmm. I'll be thinking about it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:14 No.12608220
    >but we definitely need a federal government that can bring them back in line when they step out of it.
    So who's to say what's out of line, then? You?
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:14 No.12608222

    ...as a matter of intellectual curiosity, do you think it'd be different now?

    I mean, they have two ethnic Indian governors down south, and they might hate blacks for the same reason they hate certain whites: they vote democratic.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:16 No.12608234
    Typical pansy ass liberal playing the race card. That's all you idiots think about, isn't it? Well news flash, no one else does. Racism is dead and buried, the only ones who are still all wrapped up about race are you liberals with you white guilt and your sickeningly retard belief that we owe the niggers anything. Get the fuck over it already.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:17 No.12608247
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    My point was let californians abort babies, and let texans prohibit each other from doing such.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:18 No.12608258
    > ...as a matter of intellectual curiosity, do you think it'd be different now?

    Would it be as bad as it was in the 50s? Probably not, but then again that's not saying much. Would it still be a problem. Yes, it would.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:19 No.12608263
    Well, it was a fun thread while it lasted, OP.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:20 No.12608268

    I think the states down there would have the potential to become much less democratic (with a little d), with impediments to voting placed on populations likely to vote for the Dems, although perhaps one might say the reverse about the North and West Coast. I'd also worry about a slide towards theocracy.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:21 No.12608275
    It ain't over yet!
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:22 No.12608285

    Now, the tough question: how different would it be for the north?

    In the south, there is at least a shared culture among all races. In the north, people self-segregate, and for all their talk of tolerance, by and large, each ethnicity sticks to its own part of town.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:22 No.12608288
    Unfortunately, Chick is really big on death. There's no such thing as physical immortality in his world.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:22 No.12608289
    Haven't you been listening? Nobody but you gives a damn about race anymore! The rest of us have grown up enough to judge a person on his own merits, but you liberals can't seem to get that through your thick heads.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:22 No.12608292

    Haha, I know! I'm sort of skimming the bits related to the setting, and ignoring most of the rest. I'm afraid that a lot of the subtleties of American internal politics tends to go past me, since I'm not actually American. Now, if you want me to talk about its foreign policy, that's another matter... for another board.

    Still, I definitely came away with some interesting campaign ideas and things to read. I'll probably check up the Left Behind books for ideas, and I think this may be a world worth expanding upon. If I do flesh it out more thoroughly, I'll make another post here about it.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:24 No.12608298

    Yep. But I'm wondering if it's possible that a demon in Chick's world would extend the life of a particular individual if it meant more souls in the long run getting condemned to hell... thus bringing in the whole aspect of the global conspiracy to damn everyone.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:24 No.12608301
    Here in CA, there's rampant gerrymandering, but otherwise, we're the most democratic state out there, being the only state with three forms of direct democracy. And we have the most state rights, by virtue of being big and important enough to tell the feds to shove off.

    >I'd also worry about a slide towards theocracy.
    What's wrong with that, exactly?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:26 No.12608310
    It's an interesting concept. If "real Satanic magic" exists, then I'm sure it might be possible. However, I am very, very familiar with the Fundie Christian scene, and Chick is nothing new. Him and the others like him believe that in exchange for otherworldly power, you actually die younger because it drains your body's life energy or some shit.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:27 No.12608316


    I think this gets more play than its really worth. The seventh-day adventists and twefth protestant congregation would never be able to agree.

    And nothing would force them into sharp reconsideration than saying 'So, exactly like Iran?'

    Naturally, they'd protest that 'we're different,' but since they're probably republicans, they would also be much more amenable to the counter-argument 'that's what they all say.'
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:27 No.12608317
    Actually I'm pretty sure there are vampires or some shit in the Chickverse. At the very least, there are Cat Lords and Movanic Devas.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:27 No.12608322
    >the idea of a way out being offered, but being every bit as shiftily as the way to hell, is rather interesting.

    That's because, in a shocking tweest, it's actually JACK CHICK who gets his orders straight from Satan.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:27 No.12608323
    The issue is essentially local power versus central power, which should be pretty translatable to your own country, whatever that might be.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:28 No.12608328
    > Now, the tough question: how different would it be for the north?

    Well, we can look to historical examples where, despite relatively high diversity and the presence of populations that tend to stick together based on ethnicity, at least the northern states did not enact anywhere near the same degree of racial legislation as their southern counterparts did. Similarly, despite having the "common culture" that you claim, the south did institute legal segregation based on race.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:29 No.12608337

    ... Oh, damn it. Well, I suppose a cult isn't out of the question- and Chick's villains tend to be pretty one track minded anyway, so I can probably have a mantle of evil or something like that being passed from one world / religious leader to another, I guess. It'd change the nature of their involvement from 'avoid hell AND heaven' to 'get as much as I can get out of these fuckers before I die, since I'm screwed already'.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:30 No.12608341
    Indeed; it would be pretty equivalent to comparing the power of a local nation to that of the EU.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:31 No.12608345

    Again, without a shred of evidence, I argue that de facto segregation NOW is worse than de jure segregation THEN.

    I mean, christ, everybody in town knows the old town is the best place for mexican food because that's where the mexicans are, but they also know all the shops have cast-iron bars in their windows for a reason and are just too polite to say anything.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:32 No.12608350

    Ahahaha... um, not really. My country's the sort that's classified as a 'nation-state' with a one party government, so no one really bothers to quibble over this sort of thing, since there isn't much point. The kind of arguments in this thread usually just fly over my head, unless I have to actually study them.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:33 No.12608352
    You mean Kali, right? The way I understood it, Chick thinks that all other deities are actually demons that deceive the masses. So Kali isn't actually a god so much as a physically violent demon.

    This is probably the best idea. In Chick's world, it's all a giant game more or less, and Satan wants as many souls to be miserable with him as possible. So a "Passing of the Torch (Hahaha)" would be the most likely method.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:34 No.12608358
    Sorry. Switched my references up. Switch those responses.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:34 No.12608361

    It always cracks me up how a possible competitor to U.S. power fell apart because the south ran up the north's credit cards and stuck them with the bill.

    No fair comparisons to the U.S. federal debt, that's a team effort at bankruptcy.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:34 No.12608362
    Hey, do any of the CHICK comics have any images of what his heaven even looks like? Aside from the mansions?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:35 No.12608374
    Your players aren't going to enjoy living in Christfag World. If they're American, they already have to deal with the stupid wankers daily.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:36 No.12608376
    Well, this is interesting to me. Care to elaborate?

    >The way I understood it, Chick thinks that all other deities are actually demons that deceive the masses.
    This belief is not rare among Christians.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:36 No.12608380

    Handover of power from one evil overlord to another it is!

    I wonder if I should find some way to offer the characters (if they don't suffer so much san loss or die first) a chance to join the conspiracy. If you're fucked either which way...

    Chances are at least one of them will be an unknowing member to start with. I'll have to chat with them about that, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:36 No.12608381
    Well, yes and no. Northern states didn't have de jure segregation (except, if I remember right, Indiana), but segregated facilities were certainly legal (and common) for most of America's history in the North.

    Fun fact: many of the northern states still technically permitted slavery even up until the Civil War. As I recall, New Hampshire didn't actually outlaw slavery until something like 1855, and most states relied on a series of gradual emancipation laws and court decisions that theoretically allowed for a small number of slaves to be in those states.

    (That isn't meant as a "herp derp the civil war wasn't about slavery" comment; it's just a historical oddity)
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:38 No.12608389
    >That isn't meant as a "herp derp the civil war wasn't about slavery" comment
    >implying that the civil war was not about slavery, and thinking it was would be stupid
    Man, what.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:40 No.12608399

    There isn't really much to tell! It's a pretty boring place where joining the civil service is seen as a steady, secure job and most people don't give a shit about politics, because why bother when you can be earning money or doing something more interesting? Most people have a 'not my problem' attitude towards things, and people who actually do care just... join the government. Because, you know, why rally or protest for other people to change something when you can just work your way into a position of power and change it yourself?

    It's something like that, anyway, though I have to admit that my explanation's a vast oversimplification.
    >> No Man 10/29/10(Fri)02:43 No.12608419

    >blind guessing

    ...China? Cuba? South American Banana Republic Of Your Choice?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:45 No.12608433
    Which makes it rather funny that baal means lord, and was used as a title for Jehovah in various places.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:46 No.12608442

    Haha, nowhere near any of those. I'd rather not say, honestly, because I far prefer to keep talk of politics and governmental structures to the classroom (where I get more than enough of that), but it's in Asia.

    Which is why I'm on /tg at this hour. Timezones and all that.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:49 No.12608455

    ... I have to say the temptation to make this a world where Baal/God/the Lord, whatever He is is the ultimate puller of strings is growing, rather. I thought it'd be a mostly demon focused thing, but with all of this thrown in as well as the bargaining angels, well.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:52 No.12608465
    My guess would be Russia, if only for the whole "don't give a fuck" part.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:55 No.12608489
    If you want someone to be an Unwitting Member, it's best to make them a Mason. In the Chick world, low level Masons have no idea they really serve Baphomet (Lucifer).
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)02:57 No.12608505
    Singapore. Most likely Singapore.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:25 No.12608703
    Singapore has significant ethnic and cultural divides, so probably not.

    I'mma guess... Taiwan or Good Korea
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:27 No.12608719
    Oh, wait. He said one-part gov't. Yeah, def. Singapore.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:27 No.12608724
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    By Baphomet, Horus, and the Moon Goddess, I stop posting and this gets derailed by politics?! I need to put this back on the rails.

    OP, is there anything in particular you need? I've been dumping info on you, and I think you have enough for the moment.

    When they find out, my understanding of PC logic suggests that at least one of them will try. If you use a NDE, that's the obvious way to get one. Start with innocuous instructions, and over time, bring them more in line with the conspiracy's goals and less with the party's. The character is going to be spinning a web of lies, and once he's thoroughly entangled, you can either keep tugging him towards the conspiracy's goals or have his mysterious patron confront him and reveal that he's part of the conspiracy.

    I also like the Mason suggestion; along those lines, if you have a clueless Catholic layperson, see if you can get them going to confession and receiving spiritual guidance... which happens to be mostly temporal.
    Chick doesn't explain at what level Catholics start participating in the conspiracy: the average layperson, whom he refers to frequently as "precious", is clearly deluded and not advancing the Pope's goals, but members of the KoC (who are mostly laity on the local level) are sworn to the pope's ends. Now I'm imagining them chasing your party with their silly hats and blunt swords, all drawn in Chick's style. It's pretty amusing. ( Which reminds me, I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.) The average diocesan priest is probably an unwitting or self-deluded participant. Members of religious orders are obviously in on it, at various levels from the average brother, who obeys blindly, on up.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:28 No.12608731
    So what's it like not being able to spit in public? That's some crazy shit, yo.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:28 No.12608737
    Does anyone have the edit of the man with the mustache in Dungeons talking about a sexy pool party or something like that? I can't seem to find it.

    Maybe all this Roleplaying has let the Devil into my soul, causing me to forget.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:30 No.12608746

    why would you even WANT to spit in public, gross
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:30 No.12608754
    >Which reminds me, I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
    It depends. You can only become a full-ranking member if you can trace your heritage back to a king, but there are lower levels available to us normal people.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)03:31 No.12608759
    Because of general principle, dammit!
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)04:40 No.12609127
    I surely hope you're trolling. You're either incredibly naive or a bald-faced liar.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)10:48 No.12610769
    Wait, what if the demons offered eternal life, but the guy who made the deal has to drain life energy from OTHER PEOPLE?
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)10:57 No.12610834
    >I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta

    I'm pretty certain that there's at least three of those.
    >> Anonymous 10/29/10(Fri)11:01 No.12610866
    >Haven't you been listening? Nobody but you gives a damn about race anymore!


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