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    265 KB Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)05:57 No.12083010  
    "Basicly, you take the world of Roger Rabbit, post Fall of Toon-Town Wall, and go from there, fifty years into the future. Human and Toon worlds have combined, and not for the better. Giant corporations like Disney, Maroon Cartoons, Warner Brothers, and Acme control much of the world, the American government is a joke since President Mickey was assassinated by some asian Anime character as some sort of hitback for Vietnam, and the megacorps have taken over.

    Think of it. Borderunners, mercenaries for the animationcorps, human agents with cartoon weaponry stuck in their leather jackets, cartoon badasses with unlimited ammo and obscene resistance to pianos falling on their heads, the tight conflicts between the ever increasing influence of Anime against Western Animation, the degredation and death of some of the greatest characters of classic 50's cartoons, Nazi propaganda cartoons working as scientists to develop new stronger grades of Dip ...

    And Toonware. Who needs a robot arm when you can have a cartoon-ape's arm?"

    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:07 No.12083050
    Colour me interested.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:08 No.12083057
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:09 No.12083061
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    I would play that. I would fucking love to play that.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 09/14/10(Tue)06:10 No.12083065
    Dip. I love dip.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:10 No.12083066
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:11 No.12083069

    Hell fuck year.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:11 No.12083070
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:13 No.12083078
    Do want.

    >of tailless
    I'm not sure what captcha here is implying, but I think it's okay with it, too.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:13 No.12083079
    Doom was right.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:16 No.12083096
    So basically, it's one of those racist WWII cartoons with better production values?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:16 No.12083097
    OP here. Check the rest out at http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=144268
    It's an assload of awesome stuff, but it'd take ages to post it all here.
    Anyways, I'm totaly in love with the idea and I think the best system to run something like that would be Mutants & Masterminds.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:23 No.12083123
    holy shit I want to play this, just need to learn M&M first, having never played it.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:26 No.12083138
    Is it bad the first thing I thought of was the sexy bodywash commercial being done by Guts?

    Also, pollution has made the younger generations have increasing numbers of retards (Chowder, Finn and Jake, etc.)
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)06:26 No.12083142
    Oh sweet, Toonpunk, I remember this.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)09:30 No.12084113


    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)09:49 No.12084231

    Mind = Blown
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)10:15 No.12084368
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    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:24 No.12086379
    This thread deserves a BUMP
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:47 No.12086643
    >tight conflicts between the ever increasing influence of Anime against Western Animation

    Made worse by what is now known as "The Kingdom Hearts Incident", which was supposed to show how coexistence is possible, but instead underlined the worst in both groups.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:53 No.12086701
    inb4 badly adapted ruleset with skill names changed to match a 'toon theme
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:55 No.12086722
    Now fa/tg/uys will no longer be virgins.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:56 No.12086733
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    FUCK. YES.

    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)14:59 No.12086760

    No, that was a video game.

    A virtual world being created by a coalition of scientists to end the war between the various factions of the cartoon and the humans.

    It's slowly becoming more influential and powerful, and for the first time, we are seeing video game characters arrive in the world.

    No one saw this coming, and no one was prepared when a man wearing a UAC uniform broke up the fight between Accelerator and The Flash with bullets. Neither survived.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:00 No.12086771
    What about Korean and Chinese art? Even as the two superpowers of American and Japanese animation fight themselves into mutual extinction, new powers encroach from the shadows. Korean manwha, French animation, and others.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:06 No.12086829
    It's more Western Toons like Loony Toons or w/e Europe have that's along the same lines vs Anime which comes from Japan, Korea, and China. Then add a second factor video game characters are showing up. So here again you have west vs east. Xbox, Pc, Mac vs PS family & Nintendo.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:06 No.12086830

    Oh yeah, the world's animation factions would be nasty.

    Toei would be Japan's Main, Disney America's, Ankama's France (unless some Frenchanons know better), Dr. Movie for Korea, and Aardman Animation for the United Kingdom.

    There'd be a billion other corps, some big, some small, vying for the entertainment market.

    And the unemployed toons and people suffer.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:09 No.12086859
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    >President Mickey was assassinated by some asian Anime character as some sort of hitback for Vietnam


    Come to think of it: Japan would be flooded in anime characters, just a solid wall of rape and school girls from one end of the island to the next.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:11 No.12086885
    >hitback for Vietnam

    Why Vietnam? When has any Japanese person cared about Vietnam?

    When has ANYONE cared about Vietnam?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:12 No.12086890
    Japan where everyone has his/her gundam, and school
    consists of raping toon school girls and being Ninjas.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:15 No.12086918
    So, what happens when we put the indie animators into the mix?

    When the folks on Nico Nico and Newgrounds start creating toons?

    Are they drafted into the corps? Are do they just become the Shadowrunners of this world?

    Also, I like the Anime vs. Cartoons thing here. It's just faggots arguing in real life, but I kind of see it as this warped parody of Cyberpunk in this setting. You know, fear of the Japanese corps and all.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:16 No.12086927

    >Are do they just become


    I am off today.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:20 No.12086954
    my god want
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:22 No.12086980
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    Don't ever let this die!
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:23 No.12086991
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    Well, if you include the French, you should include all the Belgian comics too...
    Imagine Asterix and his village alive with their "superstrengh" magic potions ?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:24 No.12086998
    let the annex and military experiments by the US begin!
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:30 No.12087043
    >implying you can annex that one gaul village

    When shit gets serious enough, they'll all just chug their magic potions and wreck anyone's shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:32 No.12087056
    this will either be the worst thing or the best thing ever
    FUND IT!
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:32 No.12087057
    So, are animators and character designers Mages in the world, or do we just assume that the cartoons come out of nowhere?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:34 No.12087065
    Seriously - if I can kill Smurfs with Dip, I'M GONNA BUY THE SHIT OUT OF THIS GAME.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 09/14/10(Tue)15:35 No.12087070
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    rolled 24480 = 24480


    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:35 No.12087074
    what about the american cartoons that try to look like anime?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:40 No.12087111
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    and now, imagine that old AD2000, or even characters in Inferno comics, become to life too....

    >pic very related...
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:40 No.12087113
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    Some are seen as a respectable mix of both, and have their own merits.

    Most however are hated by everyone, seeing them as sitting on the fence and not willing to pick a side.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:41 No.12087116
    what about cartoons animated in a foreign country?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:44 No.12087152
    Ghauls and Smurfs unite?

    Belgium, invincible fortress of fun
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:52 No.12087236
    The worst part about this whole debate is the freelance toons.

    Those that will just work for any country, provided they pay enough.

    A lot of them are a fusion of art styles, though some are their home country's style. They tend to serve in corporate espionage.

    This is a nightmare in America, where there is no real dominating art style. There has been more than one occurrence of a security team eliminating one of their own for being suspected of being a freelance only because they had a different art style.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)15:57 No.12087276
    racism, possibly?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:01 No.12087312

    Of course. Racism is still alive and well.

    The humans hate the cartoons. Every single one of them. From Japan to America, a toon is only in for trouble if they go beyond their towns more than a few times.

    They'll laugh and cry and cheer AT them. That's a given, a toon's purpose is for entertainment. The toon can't help it, it is their destiny.

    But humans fear them just the same. Almost godlike power at times, warped views of morality, and inhuman looks.

    The worst part is that mankind is aware that they created them. They are fully aware and regret that fact. This is why the Dip exists.

    (cont in next post)
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:06 No.12087353

    Of course, it's not that Cartoons are all sweetness and light either.

    Toons are, by their nature, fiercely patriotic. United by similar artstyles, they will attack others just for not being their artstyle. God help those that do not conform to a generally agreed upon art style, for their life is the cruelest hell.

    The toons are divided, and most simply cannot empathize or interact with each other in a meaningful way. They were not meant to be a society. They were meant to entertain.

    These are, of course, sweeping generalizations. Just as every human being is different, so are the toons. There are toons that will accept any kind of artstyle and humans that don't really care if the person serving them their coffee has ink or blood in them. But these trends are simply far too large to be ignored.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:06 No.12087355
    DO you know what this would mean?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:13 No.12087426
    I don't believe this can be done correctly without the toon holocaust sometime in the past. Since hitler seems more like the type to wholeheartedly embrace toons, from his artistry to his close relationship with Disney, i vote that there were scary ass toons in the upper reaches of the Nazi party, and utilizing and coordinating their abilities for war is something no one else had thought of before, contributing to the Nazi's early success. After the war, toons were stigmatized and ghettoized in Europe for their role, especially in the newly soviet controlled eastern bloc, where toons had committed unspeakable atrocities. eventually, very hush hush, Stalin rained dip on the ghettos from bombers, liquidating entire populations at once. This only became commonly accepted as fact after the fall of the Soviet Union, but toon communities had known it since it happened, giving many of them a reason to hate and mistrust humans right back
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:18 No.12087449
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:20 No.12087469
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    Just like every other weapon, every American toon has a cheaper ex-Soviet version.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:20 No.12087473
    rolled 38 = 38

    question what about parodies/satires like that cartoon with donald duck as a nazi? where would they end up?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:22 No.12087494
    The way you describe it, that is starting to sound more and more like it could be done in WoD. Toons grouped by both art style and personal belief, same as clan and covenant, and caught between their individualism and the inherent tendencies of their nonhuman existence. Morality replaced by Reality. Plenty of outward angst to be had from the society, and plenty of inward from the conflict between being created for a purpose and having individual will. I'm not sure if this is good or bad
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:23 No.12087503

    That still leaves the 10%. And the 90% that do tend to think differently than the average human.

    A toon does not think in logic. It thinks in plot.

    This is why, when toons fight, it is a good idea that humans vacate immediately. A general toon is still not quite used to the idea of casualties.

    Police that have to break up a fight are suggested to use non lethal rounds with extremely diluted Dip.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:26 No.12087524
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    No, Japanese cartoons are slower than their American counterparts.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:27 No.12087535
    Soviet Winnie the Pooh is superior to the herpadurp American one.

    He's a sly motherfucker.
    >> Frosted Weasel !!dLUhj2yYgMt 09/14/10(Tue)16:27 No.12087545
    Every time someone mentions the "Dip" I get this image in my head of smokeless tobacco. I know and remember the Dip from Roger Rabbit, but it's funnier thinking of Antonovs and Tupelovs dropping cans of Copenhagen on cartoon characters.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:28 No.12087554
    That what happens when you actually have a plot.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:31 No.12087580
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    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:31 No.12087584
    Just make toons a new lineage of Prometheans, then play world of darkness in the most fucked up universe ever
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:32 No.12087596
    someone archive this yet?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:33 No.12087615

    We are having a good thread here. Go flame somewhere else
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:33 No.12087619

    I suppose. But I'd prefer a more Shadowrun take on it.

    Yeah, toons can be superpowered people and all, but I like using this crazy setting as a sort of parody of Cyberpunk.

    So, I just imagine a runner team hired by Disney who need to make sure that Pixar doesn't break out from their grasp. I imagine that team having a normal human hacker, an Animator, an anime character hired by Disney to serve as muscle, a Pixar character hired to make sure the team doesn't run into too much trouble, and a person with a Geass eye and a cartoon arm that can use cartoon mallets just in case things REALLY go down badly.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:34 No.12087631
    mite b cool
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:41 No.12087699
    Anime toons tend to stand in place for long stretches stuck in internal monologues. Speed has been standing on a streetcorner in LA for 17 years, 4 months as a result of being stumped by a riddle.
    >> Butterfree !uFrgW7gzFc 09/14/10(Tue)16:42 No.12087705
    Oh god....Pixar. And Dreamworks. How do THEY fit into all this?! They aren't traditional animation by any means, how would they work?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:44 No.12087718
    Working on some kind of next-gen animation system?
    Time-wise, it doesn't fit since they've been working for about a decade now, but it might work.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:48 No.12087747
    I agree, that universe is cooler. But i think you can work toonpunk into pretty much any setting and have it be delicious parody.

    >Your runner team taking on the almighty Disney
    >Your Hunter cell breaking into a warehouse full of dark toons, dip rounds blazing
    >Your GURPS party worldjumping only to find themselves trapped in a dystopia ruled over by toon hitler
    >Your inquisitor charging out to put down the latest heresy, only to be flattened by a giant piano. you know toons would totally work for chaos
    >Your resident powergamer taking the too template, even though the monster manual gives it a +6 level adjustment
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:48 No.12087752

    What happens when a machine becomes more human than us?

    That is what the works of Pixar and Dreamworks seem to herald: a more human like toon. The Uncanny Valley is still THERE, but now here's something in three dimensions.

    The works of Quantic Dream is probably the most dangerous at this point. The corp's leader, David Cage, uses the Animators under his command to try to emulate human life perfectly in his toons. After a team (supposedly from Madhouse) took down Square Pictures, Quantic Dream has no other rival. But for now, the Uncanny Valley protects us.

    Disney keeps Pixar under their thumb, since Pixar appears to focus on getting this new kind of toon in the hearts and minds of the people, which would allow them to function better in society. Perhaps it is Pixar that is the real threat.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:51 No.12087779
    This Thread...

    This Thread is why we are the best board

    Take a bow, fa/tg/uys
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:51 No.12087780
    Alright, it's been archived.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:51 No.12087785
    CGI characters; racism against classically animated toons. Freakish crossbreeds between the two.
    Toon STDs jumping species barriers, spreading through humans like wildfire.
    Anime characters accidentally lay waste to entire cities. Tokyo is a smoldering ruin.
    Cheap Soviet knockoffs kidnap American toons and try to take their places.
    A race of cartoon sharks are destroying the oceans' ecosystems.
    Welcome to Toonpunk 202X.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)16:57 No.12087825

    I request write/drawfaggotry on this
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:00 No.12087837
    http://thechipperwhale.com/ anyone? Fun sexy time with toons who have hands the size of your head? Sounds good to me.

    >143, callopig
    just what I was thinking captcha
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:07 No.12087894

    I was going to write about it after I finished up this paper I'm writing.

    Might not get to though, last time I wrote something for /tg/, it took forever. And then I got banned for a day. Something about URLs.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:34 No.12088110
    I got that, too, just fucking randomly. No URL in anything I'd posted.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:39 No.12088144
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    >Animators are a rare commodity, and are heavily regimented by the government. Every time a picture is drawn, animated, and viewed, it appears somewhere out there in the world. The bigger corps have a heavily defined method of drawing important marketable items, and tracking where they will appear. As such, Acme Rocket Boots, Warner Brothers Portable Holes, and Disney Mallets have become standardized commodities for vending.

    >Every time a picture is drawn, animated, and viewed, it appears somewhere out there in the world.

    This is your BBEG.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:42 No.12088167

    Oh, wow.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:46 No.12088188

    That would imply that Chris-chan is an Animator.

    He's probably crazy enough to be one. Think Marauder in Mage type crazy and how he uses his creations as an Animator.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:54 No.12088241
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    If you think that is bad. Two words.
    Furr Affinity.
    >> Uriel !qfkCXKI77I 09/14/10(Tue)17:56 No.12088249
    You have no idea how deep the Chris-chan rabbit hole goes. Let me educate you.

    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:56 No.12088253
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    But think about it, VIRGIN with RAGE has his power awaken, begins creating his mary sues which seek him out and begin taking over the town at his behest, eventually turning it into a real life Cwcville. Not even the authorities can deal with that level of Sueness and seal off the town while sending in teams of toons and humans to steadily undermine his power.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:56 No.12088256
    Perhaps treated as insane religious cultists that need to be neutralized at best, and as terrorists at worst?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:57 No.12088260
    It was only a week ago that I was on my girlfriend's computer, checking my stuff. Started to type in the URL bar and her FA account's the first thing there.

    What do I do Emperor, my girlfriend is a heretic.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:58 No.12088271
    Since 90% of everything is animated in Korea. Korea= Superpower?
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)17:58 No.12088274
    north korea, CWC
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    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:03 No.12088302

    That's why I was saying that he would be kind of like a Marauder in Mage: The Ascension.

    And it brings us back to the question of the day: what do corps do when people are discovered to be Animators? People who can create these godlike, warped morality beings that other people hate so much.

    They still look and act like normal people, and a lot of them hate their creations just as much as the next guy.

    Yet, they are such a valuble aspect for the raging Entertainment market.

    What is to be done? You can't just rid them of their humanity. They're not powerful in and of themselves, only in what they create.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:10 No.12088358
    wut about devientart the bioshock rapture of this world
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:13 No.12088401
    The comparrison is unsettling.

    I wonder if Chris Chan would summon the deviantards and they would be his minions? Usually shitty artists working for the man who promises what they want most: recognition.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:18 No.12088443

    The Internet is probably a very dangerous place in this world.

    Animators can get together, free from the watchful eye of the Corps. Hackers and people adverse to the Corps can also meet. Then again, Corps can use the Internet to their advantage as well.

    Free Animation coalitions, such as DeviantArt and Newgrounds exist to strike a blow, though corps just see them as recruiting ground. Everyone has a price.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:24 No.12088489
    does a man not deserve recognition for his work?

    no says the man in the publishing house, it wont make money,

    no says the critic, most of it is garbage,

    no says the internet, it is a crime aginst god,

    i rejected those ideas, i built the impossible, the immoral, i built CWCville, a place where the artist is free of the troll, where one is free of petty sensibility and copyrights, where decent standards are upheld under godjesus's words
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:26 No.12088512
    now imagine a 30 year old chris-chan saying that
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    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:33 No.12088572
    waiting for more responses
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:38 No.12088626
    did this tread run out of steam,
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:44 No.12088674

    >Regulation wailer
    Damn, captcha's bein' creepy on the foresight here...
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:44 No.12088677
    Everyone. Comatose at the horror or apoplectic fits with the rage.
    CWCville....Its not a place that the human mind naturally wishes to dwell on for long.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:47 No.12088704
    then lets move on....

    Guys ill leave this to you, save this thread, challenge accepted
    >> BAD DUDES/tg/ Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:49 No.12088720
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:50 No.12088734
    WELL ARE YOU???????????
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:54 No.12088774
    The Jessica Rabbit Store, entitled "Jessica's", was once part of Pleasure Island, Disney’s nightclub attraction and shopping area. The store featured nothing but Jessica Rabbit merchandise, from her signature nightgowns and jewelry to shower curtains and beach towels. A giant 2-sided neon Jessica sign with sequined dress and swinging leg sat atop the light purple colored building. A floor-to-ceiling windowed corner of the store allowed light to shine in during the day. Another corner of the store had a large stage door with Jessica’s name on it. The inside was art deco in style and was very similar to designs used in the films Ink and Paint Club scene. There was a cardboard cutout of Jessica reclining above the cash register area and another of Jessica, Roger, and Benny the Cab. Cast members wore regular uniforms, and there were no special shopping bags or print material for the store other than mention in the Pleasure Island guide map where they invited people to visit. The store was abruptly closed, with no reason provided, some time in 1992. The large neon Jessica sign was relocated to another area of the park alongside a "Pleasure Island Tonight!" sign where it stayed for many years until it was removed in June 2006. Tomart's Disneyana Magazine #66 featured a special article about the store complete with merchandise pictures and interior photos.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:54 No.12088778

    I'll be honest, I thought the thread was heading down into more CWC wanking, so I sort of bowed out.

    I've just been sort of throwing stuff at the wall in this thread and seeing what sticks.

    Like I've said before, I like using it as a sort of parody of Cyberpunk, and one person can interpret it as a kind of White Wolfy game where Toons search for an identity and a place in the world, while dealing with their inherent flaws as placed by creators.

    It seems like you could pretty much plug this into any system, as >>12087747 made very clear.

    Still kind of want to write that "breaking into Pixar" story. I'll do it when I have a freer day. Like I said, the last time I wrote a story, people had to wait for a whole day for it to finish and I had to get my friends to pass on my writings because I got banned. I'll just see if I can write it before hand, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:56 No.12088795
    I think the powers of the Animators need to be limited in some capacity.
    If all it took was for an Animator to draw and animate something for it to come into existence, then as soon as one decided to animate a ST:NG replicator or a cartoon version of Skynet, then the world would be over, one way or the other.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:56 No.12088797

    The terrible true origin of CGI toons...
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)18:58 No.12088821
    You know, the upcoming Space Marine movie is animated...

    I wonder what that would mean for this world :V
    >> monotreeme 09/14/10(Tue)19:00 No.12088846
    rolled 56 = 56

    see the pic here >>12088527
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:00 No.12088850
    spess mahreins get locked in the vault, a place were all the most dangerous and evil things are placed,
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:01 No.12088860

    And then they are released by Matt Ward.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:02 No.12088866
    Might help as well
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:03 No.12088877

    I figure that an Animator is pretty much someone with a large, large imagination.

    And even then, there's something else, some sine qua non that makes a cartoon come to life.

    All Animators are artists, but not all artists are Animators.

    There's something to it. But what, we don't know. If we did, we'd have Animators everywhere.

    And that's not to say that every cartoon made comes to life, either. There's enough for them to be a society, but toon creation can be a real crapshoot.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:12 No.12088993
    Makes me think immediately of the Demiurges in Promethean... Sure, any idiot with some twine and a bonesaw can sew together a bunch of corpse bits, but only Victor Frankenstein managed to give it life.

    Likewise, any clown with some crayons and a sketchpad can draw, but only an Animator can create a Toon.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:21 No.12089107
    In the actual animation industry what you are talking about can be explained as key animators vs. animators (or tweeners).
    Key animators are the ones with the imagination. They create the beginning and the end, and it takes real imagination to do that because you are creating something out of nothing. Tweeners are given the beginning and the end (key frames) and draw everything in between. It doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to be a tweener, just an understanding of drawing and physics to get from one place to the other.

    Apply this to the world of Roger Rabbit and Key Animators can be the ones with the "Gift" to bring toons to life, while Tweeners can be the average everyday people who just draw stuff and it stays a drawing.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:23 No.12089139
    Terminology accepted.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:24 No.12089142
    Tenga Toppen Gurren Lagann

    A mech larger than the entirety of the universe....
    My God
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:25 No.12089154
    A great example of the gift

    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)19:47 No.12089381

    Awesome. We've narrowed it down to a Key Animators, which can of course lead to "Keys" for a slang term.

    Also, if we can get back to the idea of people implanting cartoon parts in them, I kind of like the idea of cartoons having Ink function as blood.

    One too many implants can lead to Ink Poisoning.
    >> BlueThief 09/14/10(Tue)20:38 No.12089963
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    I knew one day I would use this image as a character!
    "They told us the job was easy, some cheap witch make-believe club roaming the school, the usual, we go, solve the mistery and head back home, but no, this wasn't some small fry goon looking for easy money by scaring people, we should've noticed the signs, dead animals, the runes, the anime looking girl talking gibberish, something about "it comes", we didn't have time so we rushed to the gym...that was our mistake"
    "Now Velma's shagged up in the wacko basket, Freddy's leg never healed right after the shot it got from those fuking cultists, Daphne's on just about every narcotic know to man or toon just to forget what we saw, we couldn't give Flim-Flam a proper burial since those tentacles shred him to pieces like paper, all that's left of Mistery Inc. are the Hexgirls, Scooby and me."
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)20:51 No.12090129

    Would that imply that the Toons now make the Supernatural possible?

    God help us all.
    >> BlueThief 09/14/10(Tue)21:06 No.12090326
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    I was reading the thread and chose the image of shaggy for a detective noir character, but then i tought, what if the scooby gang actually found a REAL threat unlike the movies, Call of Cthulu type shit, mix that with tentacle-rape or Akira form japan and there you have it.
    >> BlueThief 09/14/10(Tue)21:12 No.12090395
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    Jesus fucking Christ I love you.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)21:19 No.12090500
    >>12087355 YOUR WAIFU IS REAL.

    But is not aware you exist and is likely to be neither pleased nor impressed when you and a hundred other neckbeards all arrive in Toontown to stalk her and declare your LURVE.

    Which has possibilities, doesn't it? Especially in a GRIMDARK setting that appears to be all about paranoia, body horror, and black humor. "I told him I loved him, but he didn't know who I was. And I said that if I couldn't have him, no one could..."
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)21:30 No.12090654

    Then you would have people harassing Key Animators to MAKE their Waifu love them.

    Of course, they can't control the toon after they're free.

    This can't end well.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)21:59 No.12091061

    Scrappy doo was eaten before my very eyes. We found inspector gadget dismantled. Parts strewn across a bathroom floor with no sign of Penny or the dog. The Harlem Globe Trotters were turned by those zombie pirates and that goddamned ghost miner 49er. We thought he was just a guy in a costume. Turns out we were wrong this time.

    >mergers Emplotment

    Seriously. Captchas sentient.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)22:14 No.12091253
    There should probably be a dichotomy between the 'rubberhose'/slapstick toons, who are essentially able to recover from all physical trauma, and the numerous toons that are bound by the laws of mortality.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)22:24 No.12091396

    There's probably several classes of toons.

    The classes shouldn't be completely related to art style, though.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)22:26 No.12091433
    Of course, this could also lead to the Toon version of Russian/Korean/Bumfuckistanian brides-Knockoffs. Cheap ex-Soviet Animators or whoever else will do it, produce cheap copies of girls on commission, for cash.

    Sure, you can have waifu. You have five tousand dolla? You have good ink? Waifu all yours!

    Of course...having your object of obsession ooze or melt in your arms can unhinge a man...and god help you if a failed one gets under your skin.
    >> Anonymous 09/14/10(Tue)22:35 No.12091558

    Oh god, the Mafia and organized crime having access having to Keys.

    Then you have the Corps fighting (and making deals with) organized crime.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)00:52 No.12093441
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    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:01 No.12093556
    Reading the RPGnet thread.

    There's some pretty interesting stuff in there, including the use of EMP bombs to eliminate CG characters.

    Don't have time to read the whole thing though.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:22 No.12093821
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    oh my sweet merciful god.....drowtales would become reality.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:28 No.12093896
    "How do we fight them? How can you fight Bugs, near invincible and incredibly cunning, capable of seeing just how to drive a person mad with rage, a walking personal Apocalypse?

    Simple. Other Toons.

    Elmer Fudd is one of the most successful and earliest 'Toon-hunters'. He hunts any thing that walks, talks, and isnt human. He's near as invincible as Bugs and while not cunning to take on Bugs himself, he can easily brute force his way to victory over most lesser toons.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:32 No.12093933

    I can see Fudd running the Warner Brothers security team, or even a private security company focused on Toons, one known for eliminating a Toon with no use of Dip, an incredibly rare feat.
    >> YC !MNiTo09AFs 09/15/10(Wed)01:36 No.12093981
    I can dig this. I am interested in this greatly... Someone be sure to let me know if this gets started.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:43 No.12094038

    I think someone did in the RPG thread.

    I'd like to run something in the setting, but I'd like to find the right system first.

    M&M, GURPS, and BESM could do the trick powerwise, but none of those seem fast enough or Toony enough for me.

    I imagine a game like this would have tactics mixed with frantic, fast paced action, with an emphasis on creativity.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:43 No.12094039
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    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:45 No.12094060
    This has also been done on /tg/ and rpg.net with muppets, in a Greg the Bunny sort of way.

    But enough of that, let me tell you a story /tg/.

    Years ago I came up with a similar idea to OPs. In it, a mad scientist down on his luck and working as a janitor at a major hollywood studio in the 1930's invented a film projector that brought the subjects of the film to life - sort of. Due to the types of films that it showed before people figured out what was going on (and before the projector was destroyed in fear/anger), all throughout California multitudes of nonspecific noir detective characters and races of hollywood monsters (gill-men, vampires, wolfmen, mummies, frankensteins) started appearing as if edited into the film reel of reality.

    Racial prejudice against the monstrous folks and the inclusion of all of these noir types made California quite a grimy place, with the monsters rounded up and herded into a wretched slum constructed on the studio backlots.

    A few were allowed to serve during the War, but mostly they performed in film and USO tours, improving their relations with society as a whole. By the time of the 50's things were tense but not as bad.

    Just in time for their children, the first generation of naturally born monster folks and second-generation noir people to be drafted into Vietnam in the 1960's.

    The idea was monster noir gaming in the 30's, the monster squad in the 40's, a Nazi war criminal rebuilding the projector and using it to bring the Reich to life (as well as ALIEN INVADERS FROM OUTER SPAAAAACE!!!! and other atomic horror movie monsters) in the 50's, monsternam in the 60's, and then sort of Big Trouble in Little Monstertown in the 80's - complete with director John Plumber and actor Kirk Rust stumbling upon the lost projector and accidentally bringing pastiches of 80's film monsters/villains to life (the Xenobeast, Alien Headhunter, the Kung Fu Sorceror and his three thunders, etc.)
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:46 No.12094073
    Oh Jesus. So Elmer would be the one who has to catch Wakko, Yakko, and Dot whenever they get out of the water tower? Non-lethally? Jeez, I wouldn't want his job.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:52 No.12094125

    It's not so bad after the 50th time.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:52 No.12094128
    alliance of the moment between Captain America Yosemite Sam to try to take down Bugs or Daffy
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)01:57 No.12094172
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    With muppets, you say? Maybe your characters are the kids on Sesame Street? Kermit gives you quests, and Miss Piggie gives you a hard time about it? Got to tiptoe by Oscar's can, or he'll wake up and kick your ass? Or maybe more of a Fraggle Rock setting? No matter what, I predict general insanity at all times.

    How does one convince one's gaming group to do these types of games?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:00 No.12094202

    I remember Feltpunk.

    That was pretty fun, and I hope it survived the archive purge.

    Also, this thread put an idea of a Toonpunk version of Deus Ex in my head.

    You are now imagining Toon Augmented Gunther Hermann.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:11 No.12094312
    Morality replaced by reality...

    ... ah. Pinocchio still thinks that if he acts like a good boy, one day he will really become human.

    Too bad.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:20 No.12094385
    He might become a toon human, but never a real human
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:21 No.12094402
    Maybe certain resources would be required for toons to be brought to life, or other laws of creation would require observing. The whole thing would be over the second the first manic-depressive guy finds a pencil and a notepad to "animate" on.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:24 No.12094439

    Unless we enter a Cool World Event.

    A Toon becomes a human, and vice versa.

    There's never been any actual evidence, but the fear is always there.

    It's that and the Uncanny Valley that keeps Toons and Humans from interacting too much.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:28 No.12094500

    Creativity is an exhausting process.

    Yeah, there are Keys that can quickly sketch a weapon or even a Toon, but even the best would need to rest easy, or risk some severe consequences, such as fatigue, brain damage, or even death.

    You can train yourself as a Key, but a Corp would rather have you make the next cartoon sensation.

    Unless they decide you're better as a weapon.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:41 No.12094639
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    This is your next BBEG.


    ... And close your mouth. She's a filthy TOON for God's sake...

    ... You know what happens when you get Toon-Ink on your dick?
    Yeah, and you don't want to either.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:49 No.12094732
    >Unless they decide you're better as a weapon.
    Secret US military projects?
    And how does Japan deal with that they may have some of the most powerful toons, yet most are designed to abhor war? Tetsujin 28, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Tetsuwan Atom immediately come to mind for the mecha.
    And what about some of the anime that you don't see ported over to the West because they're so dependent on Japanese folklore, like Ge Ge Ge No Kitaro, and dealing with toon youkai?
    Or even worse, Nihon Mukashibanashi, which was a children's program that dealt exclusively with animating Japanese folktales?

    I can easily see any nation capable of fielding Key Animators quickly weaponizing and militarizing their indigenous folklore.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:50 No.12094745
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    Problem, otaku?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:53 No.12094778


    That is all.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:53 No.12094784
    Not really.
    But I will say that giant demonic Zen Buddhist crabs that will take your head if you can't answer riddles correctly in the night put the fear of Buddha in me when I was a kid.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:55 No.12094812
    I like Ink poisoning being the equivalent of cybernetic taint. But i also think there's a ton of room for using Ink (always capitalized) as a addictive, highly destructive drug, that can briefly grant you toon attributes. Sure, you might accordion up from under that semi, but you might break your wife's skull with a giant mallet the next. Its addicts vary from the junkies who use it for the high of transcending human experience to the professionals who use it as a method of last resort to overcome dangerous toon resistance. In either case, they rarely make it ten years without dying from Ink poisoning or losing their mind to the insanity of a toon worldview, effectively becoming unpowered toons when without Ink. These people would need to be immediately identified and contained immediately, as they still are human and able to blend into society, have a toon's inability to perceive consequence, and lack the toon's life time of learning how to deal with humans
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)02:57 No.12094836
    Inkpires, chasing after toons to drain them of ink.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:00 No.12094872
    you know those things that, the more you think about them, the more awesome they get? That is a great example
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:01 No.12094877
    You could keep Ink either generic, or break it down into strains or genres.
    American/Looney Tunes Ink - veritable invincibility to damage.
    Japanese/Anime Ink - Something combat or magic related.
    Identify tropes and sweeping generalizations for a given region or animation style, and give those properties to the relevant Ink.

    And of course, the method by which the Ink is extracted...no one likes to think about it.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:03 No.12094913
    How do they get it out, though?
    How do you get ink out of toons in the first place?
    I suggest pens.
    Old-fashioned fountain pens, used as stabbing weapons.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:04 No.12094923
    Keeping eyes as a tell?
    Certainly works for WFRR and animus...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:05 No.12094940

    A good mech, tank, or armor designer that's a Key Animator is to be feared. Not every Key Animator draws people, after all.

    Sunrise, when not milking the Code Geass cow, sells mechs to Third World Countries, who have no real corps, but a few Keys.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:06 No.12094945

    Now Ink emerges to replace Vitae etc. I'm definitely seeing this as WoD based in crunch, shadowrun based in flavor
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:07 No.12094961
    IIRC from the ol Roger Rabbit movie, the application of Dip just dissolved toons into their ink.
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPkAUBr4Sc
    Should be easy enough to siphon it off.

    Do Toons heal normally, or do they have regeneration or someting?
    If the latter, one toon could be used to make a whole lotta ink.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:08 No.12094969

    You can tell when a human uses Ink (or has cartoon implants) by their pure black Irises.

    Some say that if you take too much, your eyes completely blacken.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:10 No.12094990
    And maybe there are addicted toonbangers who absorb Ink by licking their Toon lovers' bodies (which could plausibly be harmless to their partners, we shed dead skin cells all the time, don't we?), every time becoming eerily more and more like Toon versions of their former selves, modified, of course, by whatever art style or genre their lover comes from.

    Imagine gorgeous anime callgirls, selling their bodies and ink to desperate humans undergoing a slow agonizing transformation... the changing human experiencing exhiliration and terror as he approaches transcendence... and maybe if there is an emotional bond between them, she feels empathy for him...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:11 No.12094996
    I think Ink should be the result of actual metaphysical damage to the toon, traditional violence they would just shrug off. Ink is the force that literally animates them. It bleeding off is them bleeding strength, their identity dissolving back into the great Inkwell. and ballpoint pens siphoning it is another great way, other than Dip, to damage toons, and also just awesome
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:12 No.12095009
    Flamethrower + Turpentine (sp?) = Toon-Killer
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:14 No.12095038
    > Imagine gorgeous anime callgirls, selling their bodies and ink to desperate humans undergoing a slow agonizing transformation... the changing human experiencing exhiliration and terror as he approaches transcendence... and maybe if there is an emotional bond between them, she feels empathy for him...

    This is pretty much the epitome of the reasons - few though they may be - that I wouldn't want to play this.
    Too many gamers are anime fans, and anime is 97% shit (62% of which is vile shit),
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:14 No.12095039
    Where this thread started:
    roleplaying possibilities - B-
    coolness of universe - A

    Where this thread is now:
    roleplaying possibilities - A+
    coolness of universe - A+++++
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:17 No.12095066
    Then play a virulently anti-japanese toon from an older age, an elmer fudd type who has repurposed himself from entertainer to exterminator of all he judges perverted and polluting his country. Take out your rage knee deep in the Ink of your enemies, and even on your fellow party members if they got too weabo-ey. seems perfect for you
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:19 No.12095078
    I'm a disgusting freak, it's true. :3
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    I like the sound of this, but...

    ... I have an even better idea!

    Also: Meet the Warden of Superjail, the Toon Prison - its a hell of a place.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:21 No.12095090
    Minigun + pens = unstable cartridges of Ink everywhere, but dead toons.

    What happens when, say, a rat accidentally eats a dose of the stuff?
    Do you end up with another funny animal, or something out of Parasite Eve? Whose perspectives is the Ink shaped by?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:22 No.12095098
    > Do you end up with another funny animal, or something out of Parasite Eve?

    Both. It's horrifying, yet slap-stickily hilarious to watch... til it tears your legs off.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:22 No.12095100
    Somewhat related:

    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:23 No.12095102
    Oh... Oh god...
    I had forgotten about superjail. That hell would be unequaled in the nightmares of the worst japanese gorn Keys. I smell adventure hook
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:24 No.12095115

    Honestly, I imagine Ink to be more like blood to the Toon, rather than skin cells.

    Toon prostitutes would mostly bed of the knockoff variety, which will be dealt with by the Corps.

    As for any physical changes, aside from implants, and immediate Ink highs, I think we should keep humans human.

    It makes the inevitable Ink poisoning that much more tragic when a person jumps off the cliff to fly.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:29 No.12095144
    Ink is the collective subconscious, our amassed creative potential, everything human beings recognize as the opposite of reality made physically manifest. If left unsculpted by a Key, as in the rat example, it could just as easily manifest as a cute, sentient talking animal as the unspeakable nightmarish charcoal sketches of a Venetian boy from the 1300's watching millions of the foul things pour from a boat, bringing the plague with them.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:31 No.12095157

    So, Keys are the sources and shapers of Ink? Ink is creativity given form?

    If only the Inkpires knew.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:33 No.12095169
    ooh, like that. that opens up dip transfusions as a last resort cure to Ink poisoning, at the terrible cost of destroying all potential creative or artistic thought
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:34 No.12095189
    SCIENCE! time.
    What happens if you pump a rat full of Ink and get a bunch of people to think 'Parasite Eve Monstrosity' at it?
    What about a Key?

    Also, I'm assuming digital arts haven't developed, or are stunted. If not, what about shitty knockoff characters?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:36 No.12095202
    I wouldn't say Keys are the source of Ink, they're just the people able to shape energy from the Inkwell into physical form. If it really is creativity given form, that means we're the source of Ink
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:40 No.12095235
    For clarity- get the Key or Keys to think at the creature.
    Though now that I think about it, that's a horrifying thought.
    Toonified Tex Avery scribbling out more and more toons in little action blurs, temporarily growing more hands to assist the process. Might only last until the dose wears off, but...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:40 No.12095239

    CG is an art that the Corps would really like to remain in their control. With computers, it just might be that way.

    Copyright is drastically different here. All copyrights are infinite, the public domain no longer exists, and infringement is punishable by lifetime imprisonment or death, no questions asked.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:41 No.12095250
    Ever since the "waifu" bit was mentioned, early in the thread, I have--because I am a disgusting perverted neckbeard--been thinking about human/toon relations of an intimate sort. Which would likely be inevitable, given that I'm pretty tame compared to some of the people I see discussing their fantasies over in /d/.

    And I was thinking of a human and one or another of the many animoo waifu characters actually becoming lovers... and wondering if there might, actually, be a chance of the human becoming "infected." Or addicted (but maybe he loves her for who she is, not her tasty trippy Ink). And what problems this might pose for a very ordinary domesticated couple who are not BBEGs, not trying to take over or save the world, but just trying to live their lives and love one another.

    Say, can humans and toons make babies? Are the babies human or toon, if so? (is there a prophecy whispered of by the poorest, craziest toons in the slums, about a Child, human yet not born of woman, who will end the strife and set the world aright?)

    I have more bizarre things percolating through my brain now.

    What of a Toon Dr. Awesome who can make awesome inventions that can do anything you can imagine? But you take the thing apart and there's nothing in it that science can analyze, it's just the cartoonist's half-formed idea of what the inside of a machine might be, with gears and beepy noises and blinkenlights that do nothing? Or maybe, a little less silly, we have a serious scientist anime character, who can build giant robots or whatever, and they work, yet their "science" is Star Trek style meaningless technobabble, and the serious scientist toon and "real" scientists can't understand one another or one another's work?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:47 No.12095306
    The first half of that can make for good roleplaying for a character. just don't get too graphic about it. please.

    The second half is called Genius: The Transgression
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:47 No.12095311

    Toons cannot reproduce.

    Toon/Human relations are rare, but do exist. Unfortunately, as most Toons think in plot rather than logic, most of these relationships end in tragedy.

    Cartoon science probably actually works, like cartoon physics, but such machines can easily be destroyed by a healthy dose of dip. Toons are to entertain, not create.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)03:57 No.12095394
    I agree, in a healthy application of cosmic irony, toons lack the creative spark that brings them into being. They have free will, but always behave roughly the way they were created, and have an extremely tough time thinking originally or transcending their tendencies, and they absolutely cannot create more toons, through sexual reproduction or animation. If you see a toon family, they were either drawn that way, or a Key created new family members for the original. Which raises the question of 2 toons from entirely different origins falling into as close to love as their ilk can, and going to a Key and asking him to create a child for them, or a human-toon couple doing the same thing. I see that as a great adventure hook, try to locate and rescue a powerful Key who was assumed abducted by a rival corp, only to find a toon couple dragging him apologetically as a hostage on a raising arizona style misadventure trying to force him to animate them a child
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:04 No.12095440
    Goddamnit, I need to get up in an hour, but my brain is filled with ideas.

    This thread had better be here in the morning.

    I think I'll actually take a crack at that "breaking into Pixar" story tomorrow, if you folks don't mind.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:06 No.12095456
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    And then we have certain popular animoo from the 90s, which had angsty protagonists who contemplated their navels and asked questions about their identities and what it meant to be who they were, what it meant to be human... this is turning into what mathematicians call a "strange loop," isn't it?

    Could it be that the more complex a character's characterization (for lack of a better word) the more human they are, psychologically speaking, and that there might be some Toons out there, maybe from serious psychodrama anime, that might be, psychologically speaking, fully human, if clinically depressed and disillusioned?

    I am imagining a continuum of psychiatric traits and metrics, from "fully toony, not exactly sentient in the normal human sense, thinks in terms of Plot and immediate results, does not really grasp long-term consequences" to "normal human" maybe even beyond that to "inhibited, lacks spontaneity, clincally depressed, paralyzed by fear of consequences, finds it difficult to act decisively"

    Actually I'm sort of thinking out loud and word-associating here. Pic related, maybe...?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:13 No.12095495
    I don't think it would go that far. That show was still created to be entertainment, no matter how cerebral or somber. Which means the toons in it were still created to play characters. Remember, the basic premise is Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which has toons existing as the actors in cartoons. They're not any more real or human, just created for a different setting, and no more able to transition from their habits than anyone else. They contemplate humanity and the nature of existence because they were created to, not because they find it fulfilling, and its almost impossible that they stumble onto any new breakthrough in their understanding of the universe unless their creator wishes it
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:15 No.12095513
    That just opened an entirely new can of worms. What's the relationship between a toon and its creator like? I'm seeing everything from worship to some serious Blade Runner shit going down
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:17 No.12095524
    I don't like that.

    How can they be real characters if the setting necessitates that they remain eternally stagnant?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:21 No.12095548
    They act at development, or they develop as their creator wishes, whatever works better for you. There is segregation between toon and character, remember the baby from Roger Rabbit

    Also, 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' are arc words for toon rebels and sympathizers, repeated as frequently and cryptically as 'Who is John Galt?'
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:22 No.12095553
    CGI, in my opinion, would be the "brand new thing". The single development that will shake the foundations of toon society to its very core. To traditional toons, CGI toons are the equivalent of clones or genetically modified humans. They're freaks to them. However, CGI toons are easier and cheaper to create and customize than traditional toons, and they are slowly but surely replacing the "older models".

    CGI toon powerlevels can run anywhere from cheap cut and paste cannon fodder to designer supersoldiers sporting millions of polygons. Also, due to their digital nature, they are unaffected by Dip. Only special "killcodes" can destroy them, and they are heavily guarded by the CGI corporations as a failsafe.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:23 No.12095562
    Fuck tg! I need to sleep! Stop tempting me with your awesomeness!
    this thread is about to enter into hour 24, I trust it'll be safe in the early afternoon when I have time to get back

    expecting big things
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:30 No.12095593
    Holy shits. TOONS COMING REAL.

    But with the new Ultramarines movie comming out, Emperor help us all.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)04:31 No.12095596
    Poor Shinji. If you think he's a basket case now, wait until he learns about THAT.

    Oh Jesus. Same series... "What the fuck do you mean, I'm a 'self insert character?' Couldn't you have put me in a harem comedy? You bastard!" Cue giant robot chasing and attempting to step on Japanese anime scriptwriter...

    I am moved to agree. If the series was complex enough for the audience to see plot development and begin to feel empathy for the characters, then maybe in some Jungian sense they have human souls and are wholly human, and are not limited to being clockwork slapstick automatons like so many "funny" toons... which suddenly seems extremely dark, the more that I think of it. The really "toony" ones, the ones that don't think of consequences... actually CAN'T think of consequences, because they don't really think at all in any human sense of the term. You can talk to them, interact with them, but when the fly buzzes past the window and they stop the conversation to whip out the giant mallet labeled "16 TONS," suddenly they fail the Turing Test. Some of them aren't truly sentient, just stimulus-response reflex-arc *things,* man-shaped holes in the fabric of the universe that go... someplace ELSE.

    ...also, less dark, more silly: what if someone animated a Tijuana Bible? Or a modern hentai spoof anime? Do we have two versions of a toon, in which case you'd better keep them separated lest the former strangle the latter? Or one, who has some shady habits and a taste for tentacles?
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)04:52 No.12095714
    Jesus Christ, /tg/, this is fucking sweet.

    Reflections on the Ink, Walt Disney:

    To those of you who find yourselves like me, I'm sure there are questions that come to mind. What is this power that I hold? Why has God give me such free reign to create? What is the purpose of such limitless creation?

    In our hands, the ink is not the simple tool of any animator or simple artist. The ink is not even itself anymore. For the first time, the ink has become Ink. The power of our creation no longer lies simply on the page to play out before us, but through our minds, bodies, wills and sketchpads. And this power is ours alone to hold and bring unto the world.

    I fear that, in our time, there are those who would pervert this discovery. Those that would use the power of the Ink beyond entertainment. I will admit, since I discovered it, there have been moments of temptation. Lapses into greed and madness where my creations twisted and reflected this horror. Pete, the one you all know, is one such creation. While still not evil, per se, he is simple rage and aggression given form. He attacks, steals, lies and cheats for his goals and I must wonder...is this an echo of my own mind? Do I truly with for such a world to live in?
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)04:57 No.12095739
    Time and time again, I remind myself of the contrary. Before him, I gave rise to Mickey. The very epitome of light-hearted discovery and animation. His wonder is incredible. Coming from the Ink, it was like watching a toddler move into the world, full of wonder and curiosity. If he is indeed an echo of my own mind through the Ink, perhaps this is a show of my own incredible awe of what I had found. The awe of creation, perhaps the very same one that possessed God upon seeing all of his creation spread before him on the seventh day.

    On Mickey, I find him much like a child. His wonder is pure and innocent, and he learns quickly. Already, language is not lost upon him. My words are met not with words in kind, but gestures and a kind of weak sign language. Occasionally, small notes or lines will drift from his mouth on speaking. My own old habits dying hard, I suspect. Perhaps someday he will speak to me as I have spoken to him so frequently. Perhaps he will tell me what his wonder has shown him, what it feels like to be a made creature.

    But I digress. To the very Ink itself...I must say, I am perplexed what has brought about its power. It is not unwelcome in this world, but I will remain curious and will investigate any and all leads.

    Read this well, my fellows, and share any news that you have found.

    With love,
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:09 No.12095802
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    You know, I was thinking on it, and this guy, this guy right here has all kinds of BBEG potential, South Park is a CG toon made to look like a traditional toon, and ever since the Scott Tenorman Must Die episode, Cartman has been going further and further into the depths of depravity. Allowed to visit his horror upon real subjects, I think you may look at the first toon Serial Killer. Either that or he goes the crime boss route with his top enforcer, Kenny.

    Captcha: or ingaming

    Indded captcha, indeed.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:17 No.12095846
    Oh jeez, what about the toons that break Continuity?
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)05:20 No.12095861
    Cartman has several animators under his control, churning out hundreds of Kennys on a regular basis.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:23 No.12095882

    >Tijuana Bible

    Those are funny ways of saying "copyright violation".

    A team will be arriving to your door shortly. I hear they throw the real nasty offenders into Superjail.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:24 No.12095890

    Sure, you THINK this is the real world, but if it is, who are the toons talking to, when they turn away from the conversation, towards the blank wall...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:25 No.12095891
    Man people, when looking at toon villains, always seem to hold them in a combination of fear and awe. Actually, there are cases where many children like the villains better than the heroes. What many people don't seem to realize are the psychological and mental toll villains' roles take. You remember those old saturday morning cartoons, where the hero always defeats the villain? Well, the implications of these plots goes far beyond just the show.

    You see, the very notion of a villain is that they must be defeated by the hero. Essentially, villains, not matter what they do, are destined to fail no matter how close they are to achieving their goals. It's literally encoded into their very being. Once their shows run their course, many toon villains often find it impossible to adjust to "normal life". Lex Luthor tried starting a business and was initially successful, but suffered from a series of bad investments and Wall Street scandals that bankrupted him. Last I heard, he was trying to eke out a living in a New Jersey suburb.

    Is it any wonder then, that over 70% of toon villains have been diagnosed with some sort of mental disorder, and that 95% have been institutionalized at some point? Mental illness and suicide rates for toon villains have consistently remained the highest among all toon demographics.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:26 No.12095897

    Keep looking at his body. You lose sight of him for one moment, and he'll be good as new, and ready to fight.

    Special caution must be taken, Dip to only be used as a last resort. That stuff's expensive, you know!
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)05:28 No.12095912
    That would be a sweet player class. "Former Villain" or such. Through it, you've got access to high grade tech, contracts, doomsday powers, etc. but have the fact that the GM is -expected- to make you fail in glorious ways and that your party has to be ready to pick you up, hopefully through stitching together the remains of whatever gambit you put forward.

    It could be pretty awesome if done properly. I see this working like having a gun spirit or being harrowed in Deadlands. At the GMs will, they can put you into a self-contained test of wills to not sabotage yourself to hold with your pattern of necessitated failure.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:32 No.12095935
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    And if you can out-plot the GM, the results are glorious.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:33 No.12095946

    I'd reduce it to a flaw rather than a class. Opens up more options.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:38 No.12095969

    I wonder if the fact that it breaks continuity, might give it some sort of "amnesia"?
    After all, the event for him "never happened".
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)05:41 No.12095986
    That's when you just have so many blue chips saved that the GM can't do shit to stop you and potentially a legendary chip just to make sure he knows what's what.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)05:53 No.12096044
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    Hi guys, OP here. I'm amazed how this thread survived for 24+ hours, although I have to add that I didn't come up with this utterly glorious idea, the OP over at RPG.net did.
    However, my RPG senses are tingling in overdrive and I'm still pondering abot what system would be best for this mindblowing endeavor.
    True, there is Toon there, but that handles only the Toon-side of things and doesn't get very gritty, so what would you suggest? As I wrote, Mutants & Masterminds offers a good and relatively easy set of rules. GURPS might sound good as well, but it would pretty much fail at properly portraying toons without getting into the 500+ points range.
    Does anyone of you Anons know any other system that would fit really well for ToonPunk?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:05 No.12096100

    You need a system that's flexible and fast.

    Toon fights are supposed to be fast paced and hectic.

    I'm thinking of a system that can combine the grittiness of Shadowrun/Cyberpunk 2020 and the Power variety of Mutants and Masterminds, with a fast paced combat system. Creativity should not only be encouraged, it might even be vital to survival, even if you're not a Toon, Key, or Augmented Human.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:12 No.12096129

    Exactly! To encourage creativity in RPGs in general, I alwas use an adapted houserule variant of Exalted's stunts, where a vivid description and creative ideas always get rewarded with dice bonuses.
    An entire system based around that would be even better, though.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:22 No.12096164
    Imagine the show reboot, it becomes an integral part of the coming of the age of a new parallel world also known as the "other world" that is interconnected to technology.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:25 No.12096181

    I vote that we should try for an original system, but keep the setting open enough for gamers to plug the setting in their system of choice.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:37 No.12096240

    Generally, that would be an excellent idea, but designing a working system over the internet, much less 4chan, is fraught with such difficulties that it would be less of a hassle just to search for the most fitting, already existing setting and then work any adaptations from there.

    A quick look into my RPG shelves reavealed only system the likes of WoD, D&D, GURPS and then some, of which the other real alernative (in my opinion, mind you) would be Spirit of the Century, but even there modeling Toons would be somewhat diffcult, except by giving them an assload of stunts. SotC does have the benefit of being somewhat more narrative in scope than Mutants & Masterminds, whereas the latter wouldn't demand such a fundamental overhaul.
    You can buy Invicnibility, Resurrection, Multiplication and all the other, normal Superhero-themed abiliies that you could easily adapt by changing the fluff.
    If memory serves correctly, it even had a system for Hero Points, which you could use to alter the setting, get re-rolls, catch a lucky break and all that.
    So, after all, I guess it's still M&M, with a heavy sprinkling of cartoony fluff.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)06:55 No.12096304

    Good point.

    I guess M&M is the best system then. I've just never been in a game of it where battles are fast, though. Oh well.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)08:02 No.12096608
    With the video games brought up, I'm totally thinking this could crossover with Kidd Radd.

    Pixels, Polygons, Ink, Blood... are they really all that different?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)08:10 No.12096661

    Aw yeeeeeaaaah! Between animated Pixar characters and video game protangonists there isn' much difference after all, but incorporating them would turn up the crazy factor up to the max, I think.
    Imagine trying to run an adventure where the characters have to catch Sonic who stole a priceless artifact while trying to dodge an infuriated Lara Croft's bullet rain as well as trying to stave off the Elder God cult intent on freeing the imprisoned deity with said artifact. Enter The Joker with his army of mass-fabricated clown robots courtesy of Dr. Robotnik and a confused Mr. Magoo turning up at the most inopportune moments and what you have is the GM getting a brain aneurysm. Hells yeah!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)08:15 No.12096692
    The poor sprites, gotta be the bottom rung of society. Half of em seem barely sentient, just little conglomerations of data that barely function in their own little games, let alone the real world. Most of their ghettos are in one big straight line because many never adjusted to 3D, and they're just as hated, as feared, as threatened as their 3D descendants.

    Some of em just can't take it no more.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)08:19 No.12096715
    Scary thing about Cartman? Every now and then, he WINS. He gets away with horrible, horrible shit without even humiliation.

    And to be honest, his friends ain't much better. They still hang out with him after all.

    Stan learned something today. He learned how much a man can take before he just goes with it.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)08:44 No.12096824
    They call themselves the future. The 'new wave'. Not ink nor pixel nor flesh, not bound by censorship, oversight or common decency.

    Tons of young Animators nowadays get their start online, with Flash and Adobe and all that shit the kids have nowadays. 90% of the results don't last five minutes- cheap knockoffs of the classics, thugs and whores, and the laziest designs you ever saw.

    But some reckon there's something real in all that bullshit they spout. Stick figures may be weak but they can do pretty much anything, and some of them are the most violent monsters you ever saw. You go anywhere near a red light district these days and you get swamped by jerky stacks of tits, legs and fur, and a shiver runs down your spine when you see johns fighting over them. Idiots with tanks, bunnies with swords, all the maddest meanest little pricks you ever saw fighting tooth and nail over every scrap they can lay a stick hand on.

    No sane human goes near the New Grounds. Even most toons avoid it. You'd think it'd fall outta fashion sometime, but it just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)09:43 No.12097054

    So, then, we can have Video Game Companies trying to grab a piece of the megacorp pie.

    Just a bit of healthy competition!

    With corporate warfare.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)10:45 No.12097359
    The way you guys keep bringing up, it makes it sound like anyone who can make a decent sketch and color inside the lines can create life...

    ...that just seems kinda uncontrolled and erratic. Sure, anyone CAN draw, but that doesn't mean they can infuse that drawing with thought and movement.

    Think of it this way - lots of folks drew funny animal people before, but never had the same memorability and influence like Mickey and Donald, Bugs and Daffy, etc. had. There was some mystery, some unknown-and-unknowable factor people like Walt Disney and Chuck Jones had that made them more than just artists who made sketches, but Animators who created Toons.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:12 No.12097507
    Okay. Listen up. Don't let your wounded pride get in the way.

    You see the Keys we keep mentioning? THOSE are the...well, key, to a Toon. Anyone can draw, some can even animate, but only a Key can make a Toon-be it sentient or just a weapon or vehicle.

    That said, even if one of a hundred animators on the Internet is a key, we're in for some nasty shit. ESPECIALLY with the Furries. They may incestuously fuck and steal from each other, but when it comes to losing yourself in a fantasy, you don't get much better than a Fur.

    God help us if the sick fuck who commits Jack is a Key, and beware the cults of personality.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:29 No.12097576

    Hopefully that would be the good side (as good as a multinational company can get, mind you) of the Corps, and why they rise to power.

    I imagine the creative wing of a Corp to be something like a cross between a hospital, an animation studio, and a dormitory.

    A Key gets free housing/food/education/medical treatment, as long as they sign lifetime contracts to the Corp and help create the latest craze or help the Corp fuck the other Corps up.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:33 No.12097594

    The artists or the characters?

    Irony of ironies, the furries are usually the MOST civilised things you get out of the online cesspool. Not saying much at all, mind. Half prostitution ring, half fucked up animal cult, the saner ones put on a civilised face for the public but everyone with half a brain knows their true colours.

    Mostly they're content to stay in their own enclaves, letting idiots and perverts come and get their money and souls sucked away into the cults of personality and so-called 'true selves'. But the things they desire above all are what inspired them in the first place- REAL animal Toons. It's a sad day whenever a real Toon gets sucked in, but at least the tabloids will feast for years.

    And it happens more and more these days- a C-grade Toon who can't get mainstream success, or a flash-in-the-pan from 30 years ago, as long as they've got fur the Furries want 'em and all their promises and praises seem like a great alternative to obscurity. But I know what really goes on in their private clubs and private towns, and it makes me want to wash my eyes out with Dip.

    (yes, furries are the Church of Toonology. I could not resist.)
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:39 No.12097634
    So what is "Dip" in this setting? The acid-green "toon-killer" toxic waste direct from the movie, or something less-obviously sinister?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:40 No.12097643
    what on earth would happen if, say, alucard from hellsing showed up
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:47 No.12097683
    nothing good
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:49 No.12097695
    Dip started as just one psycho Toon's private project, a madman's way of killing his own kind for kicks. If he knew what it was now he'd probably be laughing in toon Hell.

    The second a government got their hands on a substance that could permanently kill Toons, they devoted half their secret labs to studying it. Experimenting with it. Refining it.

    Thanks to treaties, backroom deals, espionage and plain ol leaks, every government, crime syndicate and corporation worth its salt got their hands on some formula of Dip. Long story short, eighty years and a huge toon body count later it's the hottest stuff on the street.

    There's the old-fashioned kind that you need to splash all over a Toon to kill him, in case you're feeling nostalgic. The new stuff doesn't need half that much if you pay well. It comes in pressurised bottles for Dip sprayers, packed in bullets and syringes, in bombs and mines. You can spray floors with it to watch em dance, release the gas form to choke em, and even a glancing hit with the good stuff will send a Toon packing if they know what's good for 'em.

    And there's rumours of secret, super-high-quality formula that can kill a good sized Toon with a single drop.

    It's our first, best and only line of defence against them, save the odd Toon hunter- and who's to say they won't turn on us sooner or later anyway? Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are Toons. But I can't say I sleep better at night without a syringe revolver by my side.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:51 No.12097711
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    As a furfag...

    This made me smile. I like it. Have a creepy photomanip in thanks
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:56 No.12097752
    Hell, word on th' street is a few Toons are working on refining/diluting Dip... so they can get drunk.

    I mean, y'know how human liquor spazzes-out Toons - even a shotglass of scotch drives 'em batshit - some kinda reaction with the Ink, I hear. So, since alcohol in large amounts/concentrates is toxic to humans, but just give a nice buzz when weakened down, some goonball Toon scientist is trying to do the same for Dip.

    Toons, man, go figure.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:57 No.12097762
    Some of my best friends are furries, I know exactly how to hit home.

    President Mickey dead? You seriously believe that? Anime never gave a shit about Vietnam, or even WW2, hell half of em consider Mickey as their granddaddy.

    Nah. You have any idea how much power Mickey had to give up to become President? No way he'd go the way of every other old prez, sitting on the shelf and making an idiot of himself on the news- he's still out there. Behind the scenes he's slowly taking over. I hear he's got his hands on pretty much half the superhero toons now.

    But that's not the only reason. Some say that the 'assassination' was a real attempt, or at least a cover-up for one, and the culprit was waaaaay closer to home. His own flesh and ink, even.

    Word on the street is, Oswald's back. And he ain't happy.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)11:59 No.12097775
    Actually makes me wonder if we're just as fucked up as they are when you get down to it.

    I bet when this drinkable Dip shit gets out, I can get some human sap at the bar to drink it for a fifty. Should be fun to watch.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:01 No.12097789
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    Here, take this!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:02 No.12097794
    TBH, Epic Mickey is where I got the idea for "melting waifus." Ink too cheap, or Key too fucked up? They'll fall apart, bit by bit.

    Of course, some Inkpires prefer it that way, I'd imagine. Sex AND fix, all in one.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:03 No.12097801
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    We need new heroes.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:10 No.12097853
    Even among Animators, it takes something reeaal special to make a truly lasting Toon. Even with the best, the first bunch they make usually fall apart pretty fast, just sketches and experiments. They say it can leave scars on them.

    After that, they can start making more solid, substantial Toons, but they're a crapshoot too- most of them only last a year or two in some level of success before they get canned, thrown out the door for the new shit or just falling into obscurity, languishing in the regional networks and repeats, maybe making DVD royalties if they're lucky.

    Everyone's always looking for the next Walt Disney. Ain't gonna happen. There was only one Walt Disney. Only one Tex Avery. You get what I'm sayin'? 'Sides, all the talent these days is working on those newfangled CGI things, or wasting their time online spawning more New Grounds scum or getting brainwashed by the Furries. Compared to the ones that get sucked up by the megacorps they're almost lucky.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:10 No.12097860
    yeah, but still, man... turpentine and all that other junk they say is in Dip... it's still toxic to humans no matter how ya thin it out. And we don't bounce back like them. So use downing a shot of their stuff'll have a lot worse outcome than they other way around.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:13 No.12097875
    That's half the fun, dipshit!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:14 No.12097878
    Walt and Tex... man, even ol' Chuck and Friz... those are names everyone knows. Don't even need to say the last names anymore, in most circles, for folks to smile and nod in recognition.

    Hell, I'm half-surprised some Toon haven't started worshipin' the lot of 'em as some kinda gods or something, like I hear some of those Anime guys out East do for Tezuka and shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:16 No.12097893
    Gotta hit the hay, SAVE THIS GODDAMN THREAD FOR TOMORROW it's the most fun I've had in weeks.

    Parting thought: the Team Fortress 2 crew. I bet the Tex Avery toons would take em right in.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:18 No.12097905

    I'd tap that.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:18 No.12097906
    I'd imagine Dipshit would become slang for a Toon wino.
    Of course they'd worship fucking Ozamu Tezuka, the man made everything from Black Jack to Astro Boy. More people have been saved by that guy's work than you can possibly imagine.

    Of course, I'd imagine the Japanese have Junji Ito locked away in a quiet little bunker somewhere so his little toys don't get out until they're ready for him to fuck up whoever pisses them off.

    And what about H.R. Giger?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:20 No.12097919
    So people, since this thread is such a hotbed of creativity, what character concepts have you come up with?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:24 No.12097948
    Giger was a good artist, but thank sweet Walt he wasn't a Key... especially with his friggin' Lovecraft obsession. We'd all be toast.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:28 No.12097977
    We're still working on the world right now. Chill.
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    As you wish.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:45 No.12098077
    So, when exactly did the first Toon arise? Who is the first Key? Does anyone even know?

    Also, I don't know about you guys, but if I'm running a game, I'm setting it in about 2020, for a nice blend of Cyberpunk and Toonpunk. Maybe throw in a bit of altered reality for good measure.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)12:49 No.12098107
    Good question. Asking folks that is almost akin to starting a religious debate in some circles. Some claim Mickey as first Toon, other claims range from Felix the Cat or Betty Boop to even the all-but-forgotten Gertie the Dinosaur.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:04 No.12098212
    epic bump
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:05 No.12098219
    A toon squirt gun could take out a fucking Gundam in one shot, why? because toons can break reality to pieces, so long as it's funny.

    I choose toon powers.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:07 No.12098233
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:23 No.12098363
    it's on suptg, don't panic.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:26 No.12098400
    Wow, this thread is still here?

    I think there is a central idea that's kind of unclear.

    Are toons "animated actors" only? In which case the ones from the scarier Japanese series are just actors who played an angsty or crazy character. The planet-destroying "martial arts spirit bomb" was just special effects. The giant robot cockpit was a mockup on a soundstage, the giant robot isn't real.

    Could there be multiple "classes," so to speak? "animated actor" who is almost indistinguishable from a human except for big eyes and unearthly elfin bishonen/bishojou beauty, and "actual character" who really IS a traumatized teenage war vet from a giant robot war in the far future, possibly with a real giant robot, or who really can jump over buildings and shoot "ki" thunderbolts out of his fingertips?

    "Animated actors" hang out at the pool with the guy who wrote the script for that weird psychological anime they were in, and don't understand the ending any more than the audience did. "Real characters" may very well want to go Roy Batty on their creators once they realize what their lives have been.

    But I suppose "animated actors" would be from Toontown, and "real characters" would be from... what? a giant plot hole opened up to bring the characters from an anime here?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)13:39 No.12098503
    I think we're going with the "just animated actors" tilt here. Though, just like real actors, it's not implausible to thing of some Toon somewhere getting really into method-acting and "losing themself" in a role.

    Remember, Judge Doom once was just a regular toon, too.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:00 No.12098682
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    Are any of you willing to go for Scrooge's lucky dime?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:00 No.12098684
    I still think the anime characters still retain their powers. Remember, toons were created for exact reason that they can do things regular humans can't. Their personality and powers are spawned from the Animator's mind, and they operate according to how the Animator thinks they should in their internal universe.

    This means that theoretically, a Looney Tunes toon can go toe to toe with Gurren Lagann because they both have the power to pull stuff literally out of nowhere.

    Though I imagine Japan will be a seriously fucked up place in Toonverse. It's one of the few places where Toons are easily accepted into society, at the cost of some typical Japanese sick shit going on there under the surface. Plus, it's the only country where Toons may overtake humans as the majority demographic.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:08 No.12098770
    Japan in Toonpunk would be like The Warp in 40K - weird, strange, twisted, and best avoided for those who want to retain their sanity.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:08 No.12098775
    We're going to need a new thread at some point.
    This is too good to let fade away.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:13 No.12098828

    The way I saw it, they're animated actors, but they're made for one role and bound by plot devices, tropes, and whatever the Key was thinking of at that time.

    The Toon who plays a villain on TV might just laugh about his role while you have a friendly drink with him, but he CAN build those Doomsday Devices, and they WILL work if they go off. Not to mention the line between person and character is blurred with even the highest thinking toons, and non-existent with some.

    Age, Popularity, and whether or not they're allowed outside seem to be factors.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:16 No.12098860

    Actually, I figure it would just be a sad mess in reality.

    Japan can't get its birthrate up, so an aging country might end up seeing Toons as their real children.

    The "kawaii culture" is cracking, even as the Japanese Megacorps threaten the world with their economic power.

    It's not a horror show. Just a tragedy.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:19 No.12098902
    It was supposed to be a simple job.

    Older key, mostly retired, but he'd done some good stuff for the mouse back in the day, enough that his pension included a protection clause. That's where we came in.

    When he disappeared, the first thing our esteemed employers assumed was abduction, and with good cause, he fit the profile and they hadn't exactly been rare lately. It was our job to figure out who had taken him. If it was terrorists, or rebel toons, or more goddamn net pirates, it was our job to go in there guns blazin and get him back. If it was a rival corp, that was over our heads. That was war.

    If only it had been that simple.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:23 No.12098925
    I just pictured Japan as eventually ending up a nation largely composed of bishounen and moe-girl Toons, being caretakers to a dwindling and aging human populace, knowing nothing can be done as their creators slowly aged and passed away, while the Toons remain young and bright as always, putting on cheerful faces but crying when nobody sees.

    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:33 No.12099028
    Should we consider digital animations, like sprites, 3D and Flash, seperate from your standard Ink toons?

    If so, do they have a separate weakness?
    Perhaps dip just slides off of a Pixar character or a stick figure. Instead, maybe magnets or EMPs screw them up. They start to discorporate, turning into static. And their thoughts, their Programming or AI, goes before they do.

    Your FPS space marine buddy suddenly stops moving, as his outline wavers and his texture oscilates across his body. Suddenly, he begins to gibber static and charges you and your companions, swinging his gun like a club.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:38 No.12099071
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    You are now aware there are a multitude of different Batman's, Joker's, and just about every other comic book character that's been done in different styles and reboots.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:38 No.12099074
    The crew was the first thing that worried me. I had worked with most of them before on one engagement or another, but this wasn't exactly a stable mix.
    Peyton was a nice enough guy, he was the closest to sane we had, myself included. He was as quick as I had ever seen anyone with a sketchpad, and when your back's against the wall you don't exactly care how stable that convenient door is.
    Jenna had saved my life a dozen times before, but every time I worked with her I went out telling myself it was the last. No tech is worth that much stress, no matter how good she is. I would've backed out the minute I saw her name on the roster except I can't quite convince myself its not my fault she is the way she is. She was a innocent little midwestern girl when I met her, and after 5 years in the business she speaks in half japanese, has 2 different colored ponytails, and you couldn't even tell her pretty blue eyes under the Ink in her system now. She might've even had that BESM surgery some of the crazier ones get, but I couldn't say for sure. Shows how much I pay attention.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:38 No.12099081
    sounds plausible. And that "un-weakness" is what unsettles most Toons about CGI, since the whole "magnetics" flaw is something the Digits try to not let get out - being able to just shrug off a dousing of Dip would be like you or I watching someone skinnydip in a caldera... it's frightening how they can just ignore something otherwise lethal, and some of them enjoy having that kind of intimidation factor.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:39 No.12099088
    You know, it would be interesting to see how the international balance of power would be shifted with the existence of Toons, as well as how their existence affects individual countries.

    United States: Is still the undebatable superpower of the West. Having the highest concentrations of Animators as well as having animation giants like Disney and Pixar at their disposal, they have a major advantage over other countries. However, the US is now ruled by a congolomeration of Megacorps, with the President being reduced to a symbolic figurehead.

    USSR: The Soviet government quickly latches on to the Toon craze, and through huge propaganda movements, convinces their populace that Toons are abominations spawned from capitalist greed. With a new enemy to unit against, the Berlin Wall stays up and the USSR never fractures. However, despite their hostility towards toons, Soviet leadership creates their own for propaganda shows, as well as run secret programs to create Toons powerful enough to rival American ones.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:39 No.12099092
    Jonny C had always been nothing but Jonny C. The saw the Ink poisoning from the augs gets to you within 2 years, that you start losing your mind to it. Jonny had found a way around this by having lost his mind to more traditional drugs years before he even considered having that arm replaced. He'd been slinging dynamite out of that creepy slingshot of his for 15 years, and cackling about it since day 1. Wouldn't want him around my kids, but wouldn't want him anywhere else if stuff got nasty with toons.
    And of course there's me. I'm nothing special, just a triggerman, but I don't do nothing supernatural, which makes the suits more comfortable with me in charge. I'm not ashamed to say I made some good coin off that. I did cop, I did soldier, I did cop again, then I did drunken divorcee, and figured it was time my talents were a little more appreciated.
    All in all, not as bad as some teems I'd worked with before, or some units I had heard of from the war. Not exactly a Bar Mitzvah guest list, but not bad pallbearers.

    But then there was Jack.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:41 No.12099110
    No, Just like Ink is the creative and life giving force for every kind of toon, and not just ink like in a pin, Dip is the destructive force, the Omega to Inks Alpha.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:42 No.12099115
    actually that brings up a good point
    does there exist a single version of the character or do all versions of any character exist
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:45 No.12099149
    I think this would be the case. At least for the ones drawn by different Key Animators. However, it's rare now these days with the strengthening of copyright laws. It's highly illegal for an Animator to attempt to copy another Animator's toon, and can carry the death penalty.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:45 No.12099151
    I'd say just one, since we seem to be, for the most part, doing it as "actor in a role" rather than "they are exactly as portrayed".
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:45 No.12099155
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    Bump and please do it!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:51 No.12099205
    Jack was something unique when I met him, although there's been more and more like him popping up recently. Some Key working for a kids studio had pitched him, and somehow the Corp let him get to paper. After that, there was no stopping him.
    Jack was drawn like the japtoons, but it wouldn't be the first thing about him that made you think he was Japanese. Nah, the gi, topknot, badly accented english, and samurai sword took care of that. But the thing was, he was American as Mickey, churned out in some back studio in Florida. Maybe that's part of the reason he never quite turned out sane.
    Most toons have problems sorting out the script they were meant to play from real life, but Jack never separated the two at all. Normally this'd just mean another short term toon, unable to grasp reality, and Ink bleeding away because of it, but Jack was lucky. His backstory was of a feudal samurai flung through time and space into a strange and nonsensical land, and he ran with it. I guess he just thinks Japan was animated 600 years ago, and that something happened since then, but who can say what a toon thinks. Anyway, we put up with it, because as long as you didn't ask him to think too hard, there wasn't a lot on Earth Jack couldn't cut through, and he was always loyal to the mission

    Well, mostly
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)14:54 No.12099241
    EU: The arrival of Toons, as well as the United State's dominance over them hastens the creation of the EU as the European powers desparately begin pooling resources to run their own fledgling animation programs. Britain, with exclusive trading and broadcasting agreements with the US, opts not to join. As a result, a number of European-born Animators in the US flee (or attempt to) to their home countries.

    Souteast Asia: China annexes a number of surrounding Asian nations except for South Korea and Japan and turns itself into a superstate. There are rumors that China's success in this endeavor is because of their ability to smuggle (or outright kidnap) Animators and Toons from Japan.

    Third World: The Middle East and Africa suffer the most,as they lack the infrastructure and stability to create any lasting Toon programs. Many of these nations now consolidate their power by convincing their populace to take up arms against Toons and their creators with religious fervor.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:04 No.12099356
    We started at the guys house. Corp security had already swept the place, but they were badges, not detectives. I still liked to think of myself as smarter than that. But this time, it looked like the place was clean. One broken window, no shell casings, no sign of a struggle, no fingerprints, and one missing old man. They were thorough, too, while I was looking around they were scouring the place with bloodhounds in case there was anything the scanners missed. That's what gave me the idea. As soon as they had given up and cleared out, I left to find an off grid phone. When a corp hires you to badass their problems out of the way, there are two things you can count on: They wouldn't appreciate you needing help or sharing what you learn, and they are monitoring your calls. And besides, this wasn't going to be one of my proudest moments
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:07 No.12099400
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    Keep going.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:16 No.12099502
    epic, truly epic thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:17 No.12099510
    "Mystery Inc. Investigations, we help the helpless. How may we help you?"
    I couldn't resist chuckling under my breath. I was sure she had come up with that line herself, it was just like her to use 30 words when 5 would do.
    "You really greeting every potential customer with that corny line? I'd heard business was bad, now I guess I know why."
    "Binder," she said with a tone that would peel Ink, "I told you never to call here."
    "Relax, Chel, this isn't about you and me. I called to talk to your boss. So either patch me through or open up a portal and toss him the phone."
    After that all I heard was a fumbling sound. For a second I thought she might have actually taken the second option, but then I remembered my manners. Never expect the unreasonable from someone without thumbs. just be patient.
    "Mr. Doo, its James Binder. You owe me a favor. I'm cashing it in."
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:17 No.12099512
    here's hoping this is still here when I wake up.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:25 No.12099587

    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:27 No.12099615
    "Rinder! Rye rouuld I, re rast rime I raw rou rou reft mre ror read!"
    "Come on, there's a Scooby snack in it for you, maybe even 2."
    "Ruck rou, Rinder!"
    "Fine. You're going to help me because the time before last I saved your life. And the time before that, I saved his. And you promised me on that Hippy's grave that you'd do whatever I asked in return. I'm asking"
    The silence let me know I had hit home. I knew that was a dagger, but I wasn't overly concerned with his feelings right now. There was a human life at stake, and more importantly, I had a contract riding on this.
    "Rine. Rat ro rou reed? Rash?"
    "Nothing so petty. I need your talents. Meet me at 2602 Epcot center as soon as you can. I know flights from LA can be a bitch, but I'll expect you by morning. See you then."
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:41 No.12099759
    you rock, writefag.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)15:49 No.12099851
    I'll tell you one thing about working for the Mouse, they know to put someone up for the night. When I finally got back to my room, there was an assortment of girls from real to digital, a saucer of Ink, a Cuban cigar, and a Decatur of Brandy waiting for me. I passed, of course. Not that I'm an upstanding citizen, more that I've learned never to accept gifts from anyone connected to the round ears. They have a way of costing much more than they're worth. Besides, I needed my wits about me. My teem was waiting on me to have word on where we needed to go, and I still wasn't completely sure good old Scooby wouldn't put a knife in my back.

    The only thing that really surprises me after years in this business is waking up in the morning. Always expect it to go the other way. The phone went off before my alarm, before even the sun had risen. I guess flights weren't as hard to get as I thought.
    "Mr. Binder, there's an associate of a Mr. Ruby here to see you at the front desk."
    I couldn't believe he was still using that alias and getting away with it, but I guess they're nothing if not creatures of habit. I loaded up two pistols, one with hollowpoints, the other with syringe rounds, and went on down. Sure enough, waiting on me was a very large man in a very cheap suit, who motioned me to the van waiting outside. The hostess looked about as comfortable as a toontown banker, she shot me a look that basically asked if I'd like her to call the police. I laughed. I forgot most people weren't used to this like I was. So I did all I could for her. I leaned in, gave her a wink, and whispered "Geronimo." And with that I was off
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:07 No.12100059
    The van was worth a chuckle too. Still a 63 VW Bus, but not the one he rode around in when we first met. This one was real enough, but painted sheer black, windows tinted out, and riding low enough that I think the armor could take a hot from a rocket. The hiss when the door slid open let me know it was sealed against Dip too. I guess I couldn't blame him for being paranoid. Its the only thing that had made him outlive his friends.
    He had taken to wearing suits for awhile, but i saw that phase was over. Still, he knew how to make a collar look dignified. I guess it made sense, the suit was for clients, he was never comfortable with it. Toons didn't sweat details like that, though, and he hadn't taken a human client since Shaggy caught a pen in that docks sting that had gone so bad.
    As the door hissed closed, I found myself actually a little scared. Sure, I was armed, but he'd been doing this for years, and on top of being the best damn detective I know, he was still a freaking Great Dane.
    "Rhat's rhe rob, Rinder?"
    "That's on a need to know basis, pooch. Right now all you need to know is that there's a house, there's a mystery, I need clues. Think you can handle that?"
    That bought me a ride in silence, but I honestly didn't mind. There was nothing I was going to say that would convince him that I and all humans weren't out to get him, and I didn't particularly care what he thought about me as long as he did his job. And he always did his job.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:12 No.12100110
    holy shit moar !
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:15 No.12100136
    i really hope someone is archiving the newer parts of this thread. this is how writefaggotry is fucking done
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:15 No.12100139
    >outlive his friends

    Oh god, even Velma? NOOOO!!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:17 No.12100153
    Damn, and I was going to start writing my writefaggotry now that I got home.

    This is going to be a tough act to follow, you awesome son of a bitch.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:25 No.12100220
    I'll give him one thing, he didn't waste time. As soon as we pulled up, he was on his way to the house nose to the ground. I'd seen him work before, I knew I wasn't going to be helping. So I picked a comfortable seat, and waited to hear it. I didn't have to wait long.
    "Ra....ra....ra...RAROOO!" *CRASH*
    I'd laughed at that the first time I saw it. I couldn't help it, it was created to be funny. But goddamn had he made that sneeze useful.
    He walked through the room, nose to the ground, not even looking at me. Before I could even ask if he'd found anything, he tossed me a feather. A single, brown, toon feather. And with that he was out the door, tracking the scent to the next plot point. I had missed working with him.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:35 No.12100314
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:36 No.12100325
    Sure enough, he found it. Less than a block from the front door, a skid mark on the road. Nondescript at first, unmistakably toon at closer inspection. As soon as I caught up with him, he turned his back and started back to his van.
    "Wait a sec Scoob, is there anything else you can tell me? Anything at all?"
    "Ran? Raybe. Ril? Ro ray in rell, Rinder. Rif rou rall mre argain, rou're a read ran."
    And on that his door hissed, the van kicked smoothly into gear (From the sound of it he had a V12 in there, I don't know how the thing stayed together), and he was gone.
    I cursed. Toon feather, toon tracks was not good sign. Toon feather and real tracks would mean mafia or pirates, easiest to just pay the ransom and track them down once the target is safe. Toon pulling the job and driving the getaway meant rebel toons. They'd be hard to hit, and harder to persuade to keep our charge alive. More importantly, I had just blown a huge favor getting this knowledge, and I still didn't have the foggiest which TLA splinter had pulled this and where they might be holed up.
    Oh, well, at least it was something. Time to call in my team.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:40 No.12100370
    Actually, feel free. I need to take a break from writing stories about Scooby Doo, jaded detective, to go be productive for awhile. If the thread is still alive tonight, there will be a conclusion
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:43 No.12100407
    YOU HAVE MORE OF THIS FUCKING AWESOMENESS?????!?!!?!?!?!?!! holy shit put it in a txt file and up it to mediafire
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:43 No.12100412
    We might need a new thread. We're getting real close to autosage.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:45 No.12100429
    we might've already hit it.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:46 No.12100448
    I'm writing it as I go. Actually, now that you mention it, saving it might be a good plan.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)16:58 No.12100587
    i just saved it in case you didn't. you know you have 2500 words worth of writefaggotry there?

    >much ardards
    indeed, captcha. indeed
    >> Anonymous 09/15/10(Wed)17:03 No.12100631
    someone go start a new thread.
    >> Cale !!4Xg2hRUKdLb 09/15/10(Wed)17:05 No.12100663
    Here you are

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