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    460 KB Nutopia NF 12/27/09(Sun)20:37 No.7310859  
    Hey folks, your old friend Nutopia Flufffag here. You may remember Nutopia, a Post-Apocalyptic, Post-Cyberpunk setting homebrewed collectively here on /tg/. It is one with (I think at least, else I wouldn't be wearing this name) a good deal of potential for being something special.

    I've stopped in to let you all in on a couple updates to the wiki and just to let everyone know we aren't all dead. The customary block o' links to the disparate sources of nutopia information will follow in the next post, but for now let me say that the wiki is here: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nutopia
    with sections on both Russia and mercenaries added, with more to come, and that we've provisionally adopted Eclipse Phase as the system in which we'll seek to envision the world.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)20:39 No.7310868
    Isn't nutopia that american chocolate peanut butter stuff?
    >> NF 12/27/09(Sun)20:46 No.7310923
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    So far what we have written up is somewhat scattered about the interwebs. In its rawest format it can be found in the archives of the original threads here:
    #1 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4393640/
    #2 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4401683/
    #3 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4419141/
    #4 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5165430/
    #5 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5179055/
    #6 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5459874/

    A more distilled version is on the TVTropes worldbuilding page that Quicksilver0 set up:

    And the best organized, but also not entirely complete version is a wiki on 1d4chan set up by filthy assistant Teka: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nutopia

    We also have more or less daily discussion and unorganized rambling going on in our IRC channel (again set up by Quicksilver, and usually minded by either myself or PNG1): irc://irc.rizon.net/Nutopia

    Anyway, Let this be a thread for general discussion of Nutopia, cyberpunk, transhumanism and the imagery attendant to such. Alternately just post sweet cyberpunk vehicles, can never get enough of those.
    >> NF 12/27/09(Sun)20:47 No.7310936
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    That'd be Nutella, which is delicious, but largely irrelevant.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)20:55 No.7311026
    Another note, we're actually beyond fluff alone. We've started on converting the CC-licensed Eclipse Phase system for our use. It's going to be...interesting making all the changes, but the more help the better.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:02 No.7311097
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    Image dump time, I guess, until we get some questions or input >.>

    A 12 gauge holdout shotgun designed for powered armors and genebulked soldiers.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:06 No.7311143
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    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:07 No.7311154
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    Huh. Not even a /k/ommando telling me GUNS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.


    This one's a light caliber coilgun sniper, light enough for largely unaugmented Crackers to use effectively.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:11 No.7311207
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    Err, actually that's wrong. The above post was a coilgun-assisted grenade launcher, suitable again for powered armors and genehulks.

    THIS one is the sniper rifle.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:15 No.7311235

    These really need to be properly drawn up if they're to be taken seriously.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:17 No.7311263
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    this, it's a man portable 30mm Assault cannon designed for cyborgs and gene-boosted soldiers.
    >> Masterfag !!wUrDqZks5cn 12/27/09(Sun)21:20 No.7311297
    Not really a /k/ommando, but:
    What the fuck is the bipod doing on this one? And why is it in the way of where you should be holding your hand?
    What the fuck is that sticking out under the barrel supposed to be? No amount of imagination will make it look like anything other than what it is, an ammunition magazine.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:23 No.7311337
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    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 12/27/09(Sun)21:24 No.7311341
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    rolled 3, 1, 3 = 7

    You have a lot to learn.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:24 No.7311348

    The grenade launcher was one of my early designs, before I really started thinking about designs beyond "does it looks cool?"

    And with the sniper, that's exactly what it is.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:25 No.7311365

    First, >>7311263 isn't mine, and second, I never said I didn't. To be honest, yours don't look so hot either.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:25 No.7311366

    To also add, why would you put a drum magazine in a bullpup so close to the handle, that must be awkward to hold.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 12/27/09(Sun)21:27 No.7311385
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    rolled 4, 3, 5 = 12

    It was a joke.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:28 No.7311407
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    This one likely needs to be reworked, but it's intended to be an anti-materiel railgun, light enough to likely punch holes in APCs and lower, but not too much of a threat to MBTs.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:29 No.7311422

    My bad then, apologies.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 12/27/09(Sun)21:32 No.7311459
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    rolled 4, 1, 3 = 8

    No need to apologize. It can be hard to tell on the Internet, and especially on 4chan, where there is often naught but hate and faggotry.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:34 No.7311486
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    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:38 No.7311524
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    In any case, does anyone have questions regarding the setting? Answering them helps us out as much as it helps you out.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:41 No.7311555
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    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 12/27/09(Sun)21:42 No.7311570
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    rolled 2, 2, 4 = 8

    >> Gidoran 12/27/09(Sun)21:46 No.7311607
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    Following PNG1's lead - This thing's supposed to be an assault/battle rifle, I imagine it as using some sort of esoteric incendiary round custom made by a hiver. "When you hate enough to use the very best."
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)21:47 No.7311618
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    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:49 No.7311644
    Good to see this is still kicking.
    >> Masterfag !!wUrDqZks5cn 12/27/09(Sun)21:51 No.7311671
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    Just something I made just now. Make of it what you want, I don't care either way.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:52 No.7311682

    What kind of delivery does it have, and what caliber? As an anti material rifle, it looks a little weak. Though, I did hear there was an experimental round that was small and had high enough velocity to penetrate light armoured vehicles. Probably nothing like the up armoured Bradley AFV, but something like an armoured limo or an HMMV for sure. It lost energy too fast to be all that useful though, from what I remember. Only good for very short ranges.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:53 No.7311707
    Glad to have an update!
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:55 No.7311722
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    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:56 No.7311734
    You screwed up posting the TV Tropes link.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)21:58 No.7311755
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    1D4chan and the IRC link is more important tbh.
    >> Gidoran 12/27/09(Sun)22:01 No.7311779
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    Found the other one of these I did a longass time ago, this one's supposed to be a revolver sidearm with decent stopping power. Probably a good concept gun for a Hiver or Cracker.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:01 No.7311781
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    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:03 No.7311801
    I was there for the original first few threads, came up with some ideas that were pretty well received (gene-engineered badgers, for one) and skimming the wiki now I'm pretty impressed with what you've done with the setting. The locations section especially.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:04 No.7311830
    Yeah, the TV Tropes link seems to be dead, I dunno what happened to it. I'll relay it to NF when he gets back.

    Well, it's a railgun if that helps at all. I'm not that experienced in the specifics of anti-materiel rifles, so if you want to suggest something, I'm all ears.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:06 No.7311863

    Ahh, YOU are the reason the IRC motd was "All Badgers will be shot on sight" for the longest time...
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:07 No.7311879
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    Actually that's just Scriptarius' gun
    >> bugmage 12/27/09(Sun)22:10 No.7311908
    sweet. I was just thinking of this today. I know you mentioned that you'd be using the EP ruleset. could you elaborate on this, as i know dick about eclipse phase?
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:13 No.7311968

    It's available on /rs/ if you want to get into more detail regarding it, but it's a skill-based d100 system with rules for all sorts of cool cyberpunk bits. Uses two separate stat blocks, one for the 'Morph' or body of the character. This one handles damage, physical death and all that. The second stat block is for the Ego, or the mental identity and faculties of the character. There's rules for insanity, mental disorders, even brainhacking. Anything else in particular you want to know?
    >> the filthy assistent teka 12/27/09(Sun)22:14 No.7311970
    a dedicated AM rifle would often be, simply, something that shoots a big, fast round. For added joy these large rounds can be large enough for armor-piercing bits or other special effects.

    I kinda think a dedicated rail/coilgun with a specialized heavy or dense dart would serve the purpose, making up with raw speed for decreased mass.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:14 No.7311980

    Holy shit it's a Teka. I was wondering when you'd get in here.
    >> bugmage 12/27/09(Sun)22:15 No.7311998
    any way I can help? I really dig the setting
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:17 No.7312031

    Feel free to join up with us in #nutopia on irc.rizon.net

    If you don't have an IRC client, there's a nice extension for Firefox that will do nicely, it's called Chatzilla.

    Otherwise, you could read up on the setting and participate with us in these threads. Brainstorming is always cool, and we'll try to hold threads like this more often for those of us who can't meet up on IRC.
    >> Concept: Hiver Exoskeletons Gidoran 12/27/09(Sun)22:19 No.7312051
    This thought rose from a convo I had with PNG1 a while back, talking about Hivers. Yes, I have an obsession with them. Shh.

    We were talking about the limitations a Hiver might encounter, and most of them came down to the fact that Hivers are physically weak, and their nannites require vacuum chambers to build anything useful. The strength and endurance thing is mostly an issue when you're delving alongside a brute force Soldier or Cracker with strength augs, but the vacuum chambers was a little more prevalent. But they're probably bulky and a pain in the ass to use while you're in the middle of having your junk shot off.

    So! Solution: Exoskeletons, like the Power loader from Aliens. Sort of. My mental image probably differs a bit from that, since I don't get why anyone would take a power loader into a combat situation without plastering at least a little armor on it, but, the basic concept would be the same all around. Vacuum chambers stored in the backpack/arms for simple construction, you could theoretically mount weaponry like a Browning M2 on it, and if you had an expensive enough one, plant a VI in it and have it run some dedicated nannites to provide a defense shield.
    >> the filthy assistent teka 12/27/09(Sun)22:23 No.7312096
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    my NU sense was tingling.

    Eclipse Phase torrent- http://isohunt.com/download/127612741/eclipse+phase.torrent

    i remember sitting around (so to speak) in an early thread when the "what if there was something in your brain that could be recovered so you could be put in a new body?" idea came up.. the next day, EP was born out into the net.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:25 No.7312122
    I'm really glad about that being the case. I tried to make the idea as inherently anti-furry as possible when I posted it, but of course people perverted it to make it yiffable. I'll have to check and see what the other idea I posted that people liked was.

    Also, the fact that "All Badgers will be shot on sight" was a part of it makes me crack up in the best way.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:26 No.7312138

    Well... as a rail gun, it's going to need a lot of power. So the question about what kind of batteries or portable generators are available comes up for the setting in general.
    I'd make the rails/barrel longer, if only to spread acceleration over a longer space. There's recoil to consider. I'm just going to assume the materials are available to make such a device without too much fuss on durability and all that, but there should probably be a system to mitigate heat.

    I'm thinking it might be safe to assume that the magazine is housing pretty much just the projectile and maybe some kind of sleeve to it, but no casing like a "traditional bullet." That would give it pretty decent mass.

    Maybe a thicker barrel section to house elements for cooling and/or other crap

    Here. Take a look at this:

    >> . 12/27/09(Sun)22:30 No.7312193

    this is such an ineficient weapon.

    what do you want from it?

    penitration? a smaller callibre would punch better and not need enough propellant to knock you over.

    larger hole/ more soft target dammage? i supose ill give you that, a 30mm hollow point would make quite the impact on somthing, but again the charge needed for range and accuracy would give it a monster of a kick.

    perhaps as a platform for specialized/explosive rounds? well, might aswell make it an automatic grenade launcher at that diameter.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:32 No.7312210
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    Thank you, kind sir. I shall read this and redesign. Also, a second heavy railgun design.
    >> Anonymous 12/27/09(Sun)22:33 No.7312223
    If it's anything redeeming, I also posted OP's pic in the first thread along with the idea for gene-modded dinosaurs.
    >> PNG1 12/27/09(Sun)22:45 No.7312373
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    >> NF 12/27/09(Sun)22:46 No.7312378
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    Heh, for a while it was "will be shot. Twice." But in all honesty I have absolutely no problem with the furry contingent making chars, just so long as it doesn't take over the setting. The original idea was no problem, and actually rather amusing. It was the "societies of badgers mining mushrooms" thing that showed signs of turning the whole thing into a cyberpunk wind in the willows type thing (which is admittedly an *awesome* idea) that worried me.

    Since the guns seem to be getting some attention, I'll plop up the bit I've written on railgun function, and see if I can write out a quick manifesto on Nutopian small arms for y'all.
    >> NF 12/27/09(Sun)22:59 No.7312529
    To preface, this is a two person sniper team, a Soldier manning a massive railcannon, and a Cracker acting as spotter.

    W0 slithered across the debris strewn floor of their parking garage sniper nest. Moving on knees and elbows, careful not to rise above the 2 foot high concrete barriers that comprised the outer walls of the structure, she made her way towards a parked flatbed truck. Phobos was lying on his chest in the bed of the truck, covered by a web of activecam netting. The big man was nursing a very large railcannon. It was an Armacor RD211, four big rails extended in a diamond arrangement six feet from the trigger and loading assembly. Two inch wide ports trailed a pair heavy power cables back towards the cab of the truck, wherein a stack of hydrogen cells were supplementing the gun’s capacitors. Phobos had bolted the gun’s tripod to the truck bed the day earlier, and there were sandbags resting on the feet as added reinforcement. The tall soldier was hefting a magazine of several foot long darts as thick as pencils into the magazine well and he patted the side of the beast fondly. The gun was almost certainly incredible overkill for the job at hand, but Phobos had a fondness for the leviathan gun and he hadn’t had a chance to break it out recently. W0 eased onto the truck and rolled next to him under the netting. She opened a pouch on the thigh of her mesh and ceramic armor to reveal a coil of thick cable with and ugly looking spike on the end. She uncoiled a couple feet of cable and unceremoniously rammed the spike into the open port on the back of Phobos’ deltoid plates. A yelp of surprise came into her mind, followed by Phobos’ irritated mental rebuke “Damnit woman… you’re supposed to ask before you go pushing a hardline into my spine.”
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    and skipping ahead a bit so you can see how (as I envision it at least) the gun works.

    The shooting was about to get started, there was little time, W0 whispered “Ready?” across the link. Phobos replied with a mental nod, and disengaged the highest level locks on the sheath that regulated the signals coming in and out of his brainstem. She did the same, and after a moment of awful anticipation that never got better no matter how many times they did this, their consciousnesses flowed across the cable and they became one mind in two bodies. W0 began uploading data from the Delphi unit and parsing target information, all the while trying to keep memories of that cold night out on the SPG from welling up, no matter how fond of them she might be. Phobos let out a chemical shudder, not relishing the sensation of W0’s mind setting up shop in his motor control system. Together they nudged the cannon around, atmospherics and trajectory calculations overlaid camera views and satellite imagery, giving them a wealth of information about the area surrounding the targets. The first target under the gun was the bulked bodyguard/slave the head raider was towing around. The gun whined as the capacitors charged the rails, and a second later W0 whispered “Send it”.
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    test post
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)00:55 No.7312781
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    it lives?
    <3 fluff.

    also, cheesecake?
    >>   12/28/09(Mon)00:59 No.7312829
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    >> . 12/28/09(Mon)01:00 No.7312842

    shes gona get some major back problem wearing shoes like that
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)01:07 No.7312916
    As someone who had an early interest in Nutopia as a setting, I had considered using either Eclipse Phase or GURPS: Transhuman Space to run it, but I wasn't really sure how to do up the nanite swarm guys. Does the fact that you're using EP now mean that you think the system could lend itself to that sort of use?
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)01:08 No.7312929
    character motivation: make a lot of cash/earn a lot of trade credit to buy a rebuilt cyberspine after years of ruining her back wearing those shoes.
    >> teka 12/28/09(Mon)01:09 No.7312945
    why am i anon now? anyhow. .
    >> Quicksilver0 12/28/09(Mon)01:13 No.7312991
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    I am not up to speed on the latest developments on that front, but i recall that there was some talk about re-fluffing the psi abilities or making new one as required.
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    grr... network card hates me.
    She could have simply pulled the trigger with his fingers, but The Beast was Phobos’ baby, and the shot should be his. He depressed the trigger and relished the incredibly loud BANG-CRACK as the dart screamed out of the rails. It shot through the low concrete wall, powdering a 2 inch circle on its way and not even noticing the difference between it and the air. The dart was a beauty, it was covered in a stupendously hard, heat resistant and nearly frictionless coating that wouldn’t burn off even at mach 8, so as to prevent a tell tale stream of incandescing metal from giving away their position. Much of the core was ferrous, allowing the rails to fling it more easily, but the tip of the projectile was shielded so as to protect a tiny chip that was diligently ticking off every inch of its journey. About a foot in front of the brute that chip sent a simple instruction to a little explosive at the other end of the projectile, causing it to explode. This split the dart like a banana peel, giving it four times the surface area it had before. The dart’s intact head and stalk struck the brute just below the sternum, pulling the + shaped flanges behind them. Had the dart stayed intact the hulked out monster would have gone down with a fist sized hole straight through him and several liquefied organs, but this dart was designed to end targets larger even than he, and in a spectacular manner. The flanges struck and the man’s torso disappeared. Two huge arms spun out to either side of him, one striking the lead raider in the head, while his legs and waist teetered over backwards and thudded onto the blacktop.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)01:32 No.7313199
    I'm still not sure on this one, I'm slow at digesting rule systems, so I still don't have a solid handle on EP (I'm still trying to figure out how to make a well rounded character, I haven't even begun to think about any major mechanical hacking) PNG1 would be the one to refer to on this.
    >> PNG1 12/28/09(Mon)01:42 No.7313291

    Certain aspects of the Psi system from EP lend themselves to the Hiver's nanite abilities, like Strain, but yeah, the Hiver's abilities will probably be comprised of a (heavily) modified version of the Psi rules.
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    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)02:01 No.7313505
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    Hmm, so yes, I promised a general word on firepower. A hard and fast rule of thumb for the general technology of killing in Nutopia is that it's like nowadays, but moreso.

    That is to say, most every firearms technology currently available still exits, with stuff that is on the bleeding edge now mainstream, and stuff that it on its way out found amongst collectors and almost nowhere else.

    Telescoping cased munitions, caseless munitions, and stacked munitions using either type of cartridge all exist, and are more or less the order of the day in terms of small arms. Rail/coilgun technology as a small arm is extant, but is limited to some extent in terms of versatility. More in a bit.
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    for those who have no idea what I'm blathering on about when I talk about stacked munitions go look up Metal Storm on Youtube. The advantages of this are a retardedly high rate of fire and the compactness of the system. The RoF is largely useless for infantry, so stacked small caliber weapons are seen almost exclusively as either anti missile systems on legged tanks and some aircraft, or in extremely compact holdout pistols and other weapons in which small size is a key factor. On a battle rifle like the one pictured in the last post however we see a more common usage, the fact that normally bulky ammunition like grenades or shotgun shells can be stacked thus offers a great deal more capacity for the average trooper.
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    failing anything else, let there be art.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:04 No.7314116
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    failing anything else, let there be art.
    >> Dot 12/28/09(Mon)03:08 No.7314142
    Why the hell did they call the LMG the FN-Magic? It's like they wanted it to be an FN-MAG but they couldn't call it that.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:10 No.7314155
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    marketing ;)
    that particular model can only be fired from the back of a Mark 85 Assault Unicorn.
    >> Dot 12/28/09(Mon)03:10 No.7314156
    On that note:
    AR-25 = AR-15 (civvie M16).
    MP-15... no need to point this one out.
    HKS-192: Looks like an FN SCAR, but has an H&K-ish name.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:15 No.7314205
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    yes, they used derivative names, now shush and look at the pretty (somewhat realistic) guns.
    >> Dot 12/28/09(Mon)03:18 No.7314233
    Why is there a bipod on that rifle? It doesn't even seem to go down far enough to stop the pistol grip from hitting the ground.
    Also, sorry if I'm being too nitpicky, I'm just a bit /k/ranky when I see something that doesn't work.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:21 No.7314265
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    I believe it's meant to telescope -like the Harris bipods
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:22 No.7314269
    lol you spliced a big pistol with an M16 lower receiver? There's still a magazine in that pistol, silly.
    >> Dot 12/28/09(Mon)03:22 No.7314273

    Oh. That makes sense.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:24 No.7314294
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    eh, no worries, I do much the same thing. That Bipod is probably is telescoping though. This thing looks like an ergonomic nightmare in terms of carry, but I think there's something charming about its brute ugly form factor.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:25 No.7314309
    >Rail/coilgun technology as a small arm is extant, but is limited to some extent in terms of versatility. More in a bit.

    I've always envisioned high consumption energy weapons in a not too distant future to work off of a battery pack of some type, much like what you see in "Akira," but to add to that, that it would have a recharge time, as the battery recovers. Such usage would probably cause the battery to heat up and put serious wear on them, limiting their reusability.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:27 No.7314328
    What about small fission cores or something like that?
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:27 No.7314336
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    Yes, it's called pimpmygun, you slap together gun parts to make whatever you please, we make due. So long PNG1 never makes something that looks like this he's fine by me.

    also, I would encourage any who want to chat the weaponry of the setting or anything else really to pop into the irc here: irc://irc.rizon.net/Nutopia
    there are a few of us on at the moment, and fresh questions tend to help get conversation rolling
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:28 No.7314347
    Damn me if most of those guns don't look ugly as fuck. Cept the P90-style one. The shotgun looks pretty freakin' rank.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:32 No.7314391
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    >> PNG1 12/28/09(Mon)03:36 No.7314424

    Yes, I know. I'm shit at actually drawing guns at the moment though (I'm working on it, promise) but for now we make due with PMG.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:38 No.7314435
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    One of the real, tangible benefits of nanotechnology, indeed probably the first one we will see deployed on any major scale, is the vast improvements that can be made to batteries. Extremely dense, high capacity batteries are entirely within the grasp of nutopian technology.

    As you say, however, heat is still an issue, both in the batteries and the rails themselves. This issue is mitigated through the use of very low friction materials on all contact surfaces in the gun, and cooling systems for the capacitors and batteries. Rate of Fire is still limited by those factors, but the trade off is one hell of a punch. Something like a rail assault rifle might have to cut its velocity down in exchange for increased rate of fire, lending little benefit to such a weapon over conventional chemical ignition weapons, but in arms where a single big punch is what's needed a railgun can serve ably. Be that weapon a tank's main gun, a heavy anti-material rifle or simply a guy who feels like he needs the biggest handgun in the room.

    pic entirely unrelated.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:44 No.7314496

    Small portable power sources can make things complicated -especially if it's available in large quantities and/or is cheap/affordable. There was a course in college that I wish I was able to see to the end called "Culture and Technology," and one of the things discussed was the advancement of technology in terms of a civilization's ability to harness and utilize energy. It includes such things as manpower, wind, fire, etc.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:46 No.7314523
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    please elaborate, believe me, things got plenty complicated, there was a near apocalypse after all.

    (i've decided to post some random images more or less for my own amusement)
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)03:47 No.7314530

    Or maybe a bulkier set up which includes a heat mitigating system, which will allow short periods of sustained fire. Something like that would probably require, at the very least, a change of barrels/rails, much like many MGs
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)03:53 No.7314578
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    right, the reason for the batteries in
    is to allow for just such a capability, offering a sniper team the chance to get off several shots in rapid succession. Given the size and infrastructure associated with the weapon the standard fire-relocate-fire procedure is not entirely feasible when time is of the essence, so the team has to rely on distance from the target and the ability to quickly neutralize all threats in order to ensure their own safety.

    (you are now reading this thread in my tactically operational voice reserved for operating in a tactical environment.)
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)04:12 No.7314754
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    Can anyone think of some really weird, off the wall ammunition types?
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)04:22 No.7314863
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    this is handy.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:22 No.7314866

    I don't remember the math behind it -it's one of the reasons I had to drop out of the course. It was heavy on the math. Anyway, at the very base, human technology was driven by manpower. Land didn't mean squat until the world started to get crowded -but that was something from a different course I took.

    I recall one of the things they did was measure the rate of technological advancement a civilization was making by the amount of calories/joules it was able to make use of. Well, not quite in heavy detail, but you get the idea (I think.) The steady increase in our civilization as humans to harness energy allow us to mass produce with speed and gain access to such things as miniaturization. The amount of energy it took to get from bashing rocks together to being able to manufacture a single nanotube is tremendous.

    The ability to produce fission plants would theoretically give cheap, clean power to the masses. If that power is available in the form of ammunition, you can bet someone's going to hack it for other uses. Hell. It might be usable as a weapon by itself with a little tweaking.

    If we had the power of portable fission available to us, our technology curve would suddenly take a huge leap. Something like a railgun would be pointless. You can just skip right into purely energy weapons, like those microwave guns supposedly used for riot control. We might be able to output electromagnetic energy to prove/disprove the theory of bosons, and weapons might even advance to the point where a suit would need an energy field to protect against radiation weapons along the lines of the microwave weapon I mentioned.

    I just looked at what I typed and it looks a little disjointed to me ...sorry, it's getting late and I can feel my brain losing focus.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:22 No.7314868
    Real ones like the 13mm Gyrojet?
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)04:35 No.7314969
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    ah, I see what you mean. You are, in essence, referring to the technological singularity, which is believe me an area I've given no small amount of consideration to. Nutpoia takes place in a world where some very specific things happened that shaped the way technology advanced. Corporate takeover of many things was the major defining factor, innovation was driven by profit rather than for its own sake, so some thing prospered while others fell by the wayside. Another critical component is that true strong AI proved to be much more difficult to create, no one's quite sure if it ever has been, if any corporation managed it they kept the product under wraps and took the secret to their graves.

    In terms of weaponry, however, let me say this. Energy weapons are something we really do not have any kind of a handle on. Microwave weapons are easily defeated by putting some dense mass in the way, so good luck deploying those riot emitters (which are also ten feet wide I might note) against power armored troops. Chemical lasers to benefit a great deal from some of the attendant advances in a nanotech evolution, but they can also be dicked over by the same. A laser with a variable lense allowing for effective atmospheric use is still a power whore, and is rendered not but pretty light by simple reflective nanochaff. And firing a huge rad cleanser might certainly be an effective way of killing folk, but it also has several less savory side effects that greatly limit its usage. As such the most effective way of killing someone will remain, for a time at least, taking a hard thing and making it fly into him really fast.

    As for fun shit like bosons and string theory, well, let me be honest, they make my head hurt, so while corporations likely did research into the subject, it'll remain under wraps and largely out of the picture until someone comes along and educates me on the subject.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:37 No.7314986
    > glock
    > frag nade

    is that...

    the joke?
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:40 No.7315009

    also anyone have that pic without the motivational stuff
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:42 No.7315027
    Yeah. /k/ think glocks explode in your hand. /k/ is a little silly.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:44 No.7315039

    Actually, railguns as personal fire arms would always be useless. Either they are just imitating the fire arms we already have (but with a significantly more complicated system) or they are firing the projectile at incredible speeds (which is awesome, but the recoil is usually enough to kill some one).

    didn't look like he was talking about the tech singularity to me.

    Him: Our ability to utilize more energy is important to society and our tech advancement. portable fusion will be a big leap.

    The singularity: by watching trends in tech advancement, they predict we'll reach a point of infinite and instant tech advancement that you'll need to be post-human to keep up with.

    Also, you CAN block microwaves with enough mass, but that's like saying "Hey, I can stop bullets if I have 10 ft of water between me and the bullet". I hope you enjoy pushing around a couple of water-bed mattresses in front of you in combat.

    Additionally, those huge industrial cutting lasers can CUT THROUGH mirrors. they aren't reflected. A mirror capable of reflecting your laser would have to be completely without impurities (thus, such armor wouldn't be able to survive the soldier putting the damn armor on let alone rugged battlefield conditions). You can talk about power consumption too, but the whole point of what you guys are talking about is people walking around with portable fusion reactors. Energy wont be a problem.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)04:46 No.7315060
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    There's some truth behind this, some Glock 21s in .45 had a manufacturing fault, they really did blow up, but it's more an extension of /k/'s hatred of all thing plastic and (commonly) 9mm that keeps it going.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:47 No.7315071
    It's kind of scary how many of those guns I can name off the top of my head, seeing as I don't even like shooters or war movies. Damn fallout 2.

    Is there a complete version of the original picture?
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:47 No.7315076

    So what about plasma weapons? I wonder now if that picture I saw in an old National Geographic is available on the interwebs. It was a picture of layered steel plates with a nice neat hole cut out of it from sheer heat. The source of it was an experimental plasma weapon from the old Reagan era Star Wars project

    The thing about energy weapons is, if you have power behind it, it gets stronger.
    Resistance causes heat, and you'll see this in electricity. You put too much power through jumper cables when jumping a car, for example, you melt the thing. There is a matter of conductivity... urg... can't think. I think I better stop for now
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:53 No.7315139
    >Actually, railguns as personal fire arms would always be useless. Either they are just imitating the fire arms we already have (but with a significantly more complicated system) or they are firing the projectile at incredible speeds (which is awesome, but the recoil is usually enough to kill some one).

    ...but the point wasn't about railguns. I don't think the shockwave from a mach 10 round would be too good either but we're on the same page about that
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)04:55 No.7315157

    not the guy you linked too, but plasma weapons have significant issues.

    The current plasma cutting tools we have are like cutting torches. They have a range of only a couple inches. To date, there's not even a theory on how to direct the plasma at a target more than a ft away, let alone at a target 500 yards away. You might see them replace cutting torches and wielders if you have more energy available though.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)05:01 No.7315207
    that's the only version I have
    >The steady increase in our civilization as humans to harness energy allow us to mass produce with speed and gain access to such things as miniaturization. The amount of energy it took to get from bashing rocks together to being able to manufacture a single nanotube is tremendous

    That's more what i was referring to in terms of singularity. Blocking those microwaves (if they ever manage to package them in a way that doesn't require you to mount a billboard on a hummer) really is pretty simple though, the metal of power armor could quite easily prevent their effects from being felt, carrying a mattress is hardly necessary. As for the laser defense, the idea behind nanochaff is that your ejecting millions of tiny perfect mirrors into the air around you, the laser will burn through many of them, but it will inevitably turn into a light show, its effect lessened if not nullified.

    my understanding of plasma weapons is that while they are certainly destructive they are also horrifyingly inefficient. To create a projectile composed of plasma and expect it to remain in that state on its way to the target is pretty much impossible, and the energy required to simply excite said plasma in the first place is immense. It'd be much more efficient to just fire a HEAT round at your target and let a jet of plasmatized copper form when it gets there.

    As for portable fission, the thing that spawned this whole discussion, I'm not even sure if it's really an infantry level thing in this setting. The largest vehicles mught have such a plant, but most infantry power armor relies on efficient motors, superdense batteries and good solar collection to get its work done.
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)05:03 No.7315230
    ah yes, as to recoil, there's a reason the gun mentioned up thread is bolted and sandbagged to a truck. The large ones are meant to be fixed or on vehicles, the smaller ones used by armored or extensively cybernetic individuals, make no mistake about that.
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)05:06 No.7315250

    I just went on google to see if maybe I could find the pic. No such luck. At least, I'm too tired to really dig for it if it exists. I did take a peek into the wiki for plasma and found something interesting (I already knew about the plasma weapon on airframes, though the influencing of fluid dynamics using plasma was new and pretty cool sounding)


    "A nonlethal weapon designed to use a laser to induce a high energy state in gases is currently being funded by the United States military.[1] The leading tip of the incoming beam ionized the target material, while the remainder is absorbed by this newly created plasma causing it to expand rapidly. This rapid expansion not only has an effect similar to a flash-bang grenade, but also creates an extremely strong EM field which is tunable through the output of the laser itself. This EM field stimulates nerves throughout the body triggering muscle paralysis and/or intense sensations of pain. There have been concerns that the technology may be unethically used, as it is possible to stimulate pain nerves throughout a person's body creating unimaginable levels of agony.[1]"
    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)05:13 No.7315304

    flak cannon is that you?
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)05:26 No.7315395
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    >> Anonymous 12/28/09(Mon)05:33 No.7315443
    HOLY SHIT my bad guys just got a new torture machine
    >> NF 12/28/09(Mon)05:33 No.7315446
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    okay folks, I'm off to bed. Please feel free to post any more questions or comments, I'll address them in the morning if this is still here. this is a communal project and input is what drives it forward the most. This has been archived as well. Thank you all for participating tonight, we appreciate it. NF signing off.

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