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    1 KB Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:02 No.7245208  
    Blizzard is a level 5 spell with a 100ft/level radius that lasts 1 round / level.
    1 foot of snow falls each round

    A level 20 druid
    Repeat Spell
    Extend Spell
    5 level 5 spells
    4 level 6 spells
    4 level 7 spells
    4 level 8 spells
    4 level 9 spells
    (I'm not counting bonus spells at all)
    4 times the Druid casts an extended, repeating blizzard, each lasting 40 rounds (4 minutes)
    Expected cumulative snow fall : 320 feet of snow

    4 times the Druid casts a repeating blizzard, each lasting 20 rounds (2 minutes)
    Expected cumulative snow fall : 480 feet of snow

    8 times the Druid casts an extended blizzard (using his 7th level spell slots), each lasting 40 rounds (4 minutes)
    Expected cumulative snow fall : 800 feet of snow

    And 5 times he casts blizzard, 20 rounds each
    Expected cumulative snow fall : 900 feet of snow

    This will take 21 rounds to cast, or roughly 2 minutes.

    Within 7 minutes (Druid cast the longest lasting last for some odd reason, and then rounded up), the druid has dumped 900 feet of snow within a 2,000ft radius

    What would your response be as PCs (especially now that he's completely waster his high level spells)

    Pic related, it's all you'll see for those 7 minutes
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:05 No.7245238
    That's... genius.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:06 No.7245254
    It's really now, I didn't take any metamagic reducers and such
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:07 No.7245262
    Really noT
    damn my cold, distracted fingers
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:09 No.7245286
    By the by
    Blizzard is from Frostburn, page 89
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:10 No.7245299
    Not as good as summoning three million BEEEEEEES
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:11 No.7245316
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    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:14 No.7245343
    FUCKING SWEET, you could turn a shitty desert into a beautiful winter wonderland.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:17 No.7245374
    It's a horrible amount of snow on a small radius. If I were the druid, I'd walk around, or possibly fly, while I cast the spell, in order to spread it on a much wider area.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:17 No.7245377
    And kill all those cold blooded life forms in it, destroying an entire eco-system in minutes.

    But what kind of Druid would do that?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:18 No.7245386
    For scale
    This ragtag no bonus spells or full feat selection druid has just covered all but the 7 tallest buildings in New York
    (Well, if all of New York fit within a 4,000ft diameter circle)
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:22 No.7245413
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    This fucker is buried
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:28 No.7245472
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:33 No.7245526
    A druid that thought deserts were gay. They have zero requirement to preserve nature as-is.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:39 No.7245596
    More than the snow, think of the water.

    If my memory is correct, the volume of a cylinder is pi times radius squared times height, so:

    V=pi x 2000ft^2 x 900ft

    V = 11,304,000,000ft^3 (That's 11.304 BILLION cubic feet of snow).

    Google tells me you can expect at least 144 cubic inches of water per Cubic foot of snow.

    144 x 11,304,000,000 = 1,627,776,000,000in^3

    231 cubic inches of water in a gallon means:

    Pretty much no less than 7,046,649,351 gallons of water will be released as it melts(Assuming I haven't fucked up my math completely)
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:44 No.7245642

    I believe we have found our new Peasant Railgun.

    Imagine flooding the BBEG's lair with this. Go Biblical on his ass.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:49 No.7245712
    >What would your response be as PCs
    i put on some warm clothes, and prepare a backpack with some essential supplies, including snowshoes and an ice axe
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:50 No.7245722
    Wouldn't all the snow just disappear once the spell's duration ended? Or does it not have a duration?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:51 No.7245743
    The question is does the snow melts or simply vanishes since it's magical in nature.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:52 No.7245747
    Partially fucked up. snow is less 'compacted' then rain/water. what I was always told growing up, living in North East US was 1" of rainfall = 1' of snow, so that would be
    12,239,971.38 gallons
    which would be 18.5 olympic sized swimming pools

    still a lot, but not nearly as much as your figure
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)11:54 No.7245774
    The spell mentions nothing about the snow disappearing at the end. Only that the blizzard lasts for 1 round / level (duration), and "one foot of new snow falls each round"
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)12:28 No.7246215
    Building on this for the sense of scale.

    That building clocks in at 861ft tall

    if you lay it on it's side, it would be ~43/200ths the diameter of the blizzard.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)12:55 No.7246506

    It doesn't go *poof*, but it'll melt normally. Sorta like walls of ice will, given enough time.

    Aside from being a lot of water (see above) it's probably enough to put many animals into hibernation or at least lethargy, even big beasties like giant lizards or basilisks.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)12:58 No.7246532

    New way to stop a Tarrasque?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:13 No.7246704
    And that's why Druids don't wage war, they win war
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:17 No.7246751
    Now tell me why that Druid wouldn't tack on Widen Spell to the mix to double the spell's radius. It's only a +1 modifier.

    And keep in mind that at level 20 you could have several rods of Repeat Spell to make that metamagic free.

    Gentlemen, let us see just HOW BIG we can make this winter wonderland.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:19 No.7246777

    hey, you have another 6 feats to work with on top of it all
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:21 No.7246800
    >>7246751 ,

    meet >>7245316 pic
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:22 No.7246805
    Hmmm... can we stack Extend Spell with Sudden Extend Spell, and Widen Spell with Sudden Widen Spell?

    It's too bad we can't use Persistant Spell with this.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:25 No.7246840
    We can, as a matter of fact.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:26 No.7246855
    Er, use the Sudden versions stacked with the normal ones.

    Does someone want to figure out how many copies of this spell we could have with bonus spells and the like? I've got something fun to share with this that I'm copying down now.

    Also... Custom made Staff. Of Blizzard.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:29 No.7246893

    Staff of Blizzard Owner's Manual

    -Stick in ground
    -Turn on
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:31 No.7246904
    Sculpt Spell
    Prerequisite: Any metamagic feat.
    You can modify an area spell by changing the area's shape to either a cylinder (10-foot radius, 30 feet high), a 40-foot cone, four 10-foot cubes, a ball (20-foot radius spread), or a 120-foot line. The sculpted spell works normally in all respects except for its shape. For example, a lightning bolt whose area is changed into a ball deals the same amount oof damage, but affects a 20-foot radius spread.
    A sculpted spell uses a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.

    Gentlemen, you are now imagining a pixie druid who skims across the landscape leaving lines of falling snow in her wake, creating patterns that can only be appreciated from high above. A lot of confused peasants are left behind her, too.
    >> Sister Iofiel 12/22/09(Tue)13:36 No.7246962
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    I know Tohou isn't the favorite thing here, but pic very related.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:38 No.7246982
    >>Custom made Staff. Of Blizzard.

    75000 gold pieces for a level 20 caster level version. Or you can make your own for 37500 gold pieces and 3000 xp. You get a whole 50 charges before it's dry.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:41 No.7247015
    OP, my PC's reaction would be to first find the druid somehow in all that snow, and then ask the druid whether or not the PC is on the naughty list.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:41 No.7247024
    I think there's a fairly high level druid hanging around in mah town. This snowfall is tripping balls.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:43 No.7247046
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    >>Gentlemen, you are now imagining a pixie druid who skims across the landscape leaving lines of falling snow in her wake, creating patterns that can only be appreciated from high above. A lot of confused peasants are left behind her, too.

    Pic related.
    >> Anonymuos 12/22/09(Tue)13:45 No.7247067
    Would it be possible to make the spell a use-activated permanent spell? (You activate it as a standard action and then it snows until you turn it off.)
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:47 No.7247086
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    Picture also related.
    >> ^_^ 12/22/09(Tue)13:51 No.7247126
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    Honestly I think Lily White would be more related. Just a winter version.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:57 No.7247192

    1, 2, nine.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)13:58 No.7247207
    Until a pissed off fire wizard shoots her out of the fucking sky.

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:00 No.7247221
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:00 No.7247232
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    The idea of good weather effects is alive I see.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:01 No.7247243
    ... why has no one mentioned energy substitution - fire?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:02 No.7247254
    Poor guy.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:02 No.7247256
    Protection from Fire.
    Ring of Fire Resistance.
    Endure Elements.

    Makes sense for the character in question to have that up.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:03 No.7247265
    Now someone has.


    Don't know if it would work that way though.
    >> Guardsman Terry 12/22/09(Tue)14:03 No.7247266
    Imagine having a snowball fight with this.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:05 No.7247284
    The spell deals cold damage.

    That cold damage is now FIRE.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:05 No.7247286
    DWARF! Forge me some skis that I may fight on the mountain side!
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:05 No.7247288
    Have since the beginning of the thread. Also, archive?
    >> Guardsman Terry 12/22/09(Tue)14:07 No.7247305
    Just think about it.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:08 No.7247317
    I'd venture to say that much snow melting will wreck the BBEG's shit. Cause water has a tendancy to get everywhere and ruing things (paintings, carpets, ink, spellbooks, material componants). He won't be to happy.

    As the Doctor says, "Water is powerful. Water patient"
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:09 No.7247332
    Here you go, sire! The finest pair of skis made out of cat leather!

    Oh, and I put two giant penises on them.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:13 No.7247362
    I wouldn't archive this till we have a truly silly blizzard lord instead of generic druid 4334.

    So, how much snow can you make /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:15 No.7247383
    900 FT OF FIRE IN A 2000 FT RADIUS
    >> Sister Iofiel 12/22/09(Tue)14:16 No.7247394
    Well there is a druid prestige class from Libra Mortis the gives a druid crappy turn undead...then we could grab persistant spell and divine metamagic.

    But that's being cheap.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:17 No.7247409

    >Water patient

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:18 No.7247420
    But here's the thing; the ONLY aspect Energy Sub changes is the damage. All the other effects of the spell remain.

    There is still a massive pile of snow.

    It is still cold.

    And yet, it BURNS.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:20 No.7247431

    I suddenly have the urge to draw a snowmage with a top hat and a stylish moustache in paint. brb.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:20 No.7247437
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    The Druid in question would be quite the comedian then.

    Because that would be one hell of an ICE BURN
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:21 No.7247442
    Idn't persistent spell personal range only?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:22 No.7247454
    Idea: instead of snow, flakes of frozen air. so cold it, yes, burns.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:24 No.7247473
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    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:25 No.7247492

    Hell. Yes.

    Speaking of hell, this gives me a great idea for a version of hell. Constantly falling snow, everywhere. It's so cold in that layer of hell. And every time a flake touches your skin, it burns horribly hot.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:25 No.7247493
    ATTENTION: There is a rogue druid on the loose. He has hit the northeastern United States and most of Europe. If you see an individual wearing natural materials waving around a sprig of holly directly before a large snowfall, please contact your local authorities.
    >> Sister Iofiel 12/22/09(Tue)14:26 No.7247498

    ...Maybe, havn't seen it in a while...don't think so though...
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:27 No.7247512
    For reference purposes:

    Transmutation [Cold]
    Level: Druid 5, Winter 5
    Components: V, S
    Casting Time: 1 round
    Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
    Area: 100 ft.-radius/level spread
    Duration: 1 round/level
    Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
    Spell Resistance: No
    Immediately upon completion of this
    spell, the temperature drops to below
    freezing and a powerful blizzard
    erupts in the area. Visibility is reduced
    to zero, making Spot, Search, and
    Listen checks and all ranged attacks
    impossible. Unprotected fl ames are
    automatically extinguished and protected
    fl ames have a 75% chance of
    being doused. Creatures unprotected
    from the cold must make a Fortitude
    save or take 1d6 points of nonlethal
    cold damage.
    One foot of new snow falls each
    round. Movement within the area
    is impeded, depending on the
    creature’s size and depth of snow
    (for movement in a snow field, see
    page 12).
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:28 No.7247528
    There's a metamagic feat that can increase that to touch. I'm not sure what shenanigans we can get going with that, besides having some sort of snow-friendly familiar to deliver it, though. Preferably one with a burrow speed.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:29 No.7247534
    It is. Blizzard won't qualify.

    There might be some CharOp tricks to make other spells qualify for Persist, but I don't think they can manage to make Blizzard qualify.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:29 No.7247542

    I was thinking of a rain of ashes personaly. Meaning the druid could be a walking pompei.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:29 No.7247543
    But that means he's hanging out in the northern Atlantic, right?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:33 No.7247591
    Note that Blizzard's effect is nonlethal.

    You don't even have to tweak the rules for it to be an endless experience of pain.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:34 No.7247606
    Yes. He probably has a private jet. With DelaySpell, he should be able to get above the clouds in time.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:36 No.7247644
    but you cannot have a snowball fight with an endless experience of pain, or build snowme...

    Can we build a golem?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:37 No.7247659
    If you're going for outright volume, you'd probably be better off switching Repeat for Widen. That way you're doubling the radius instead of the height.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:38 No.7247666
    And thus we discover what killed the dinosaur druids
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:38 No.7247679
    If you change the cold damage to fire+acid with metamagic, we would get an equal amount of lava.
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    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:40 No.7247708
    There has to be some sort of spell in Frostburn that lets you shape vast quantities of snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)14:53 No.7247861
    Animate Snow
    Druid 6
    up to a 20ft cube of snow
    1 round / level

    Treat as an animated object

    Has the Blind and Trample special attacks

    Can assume any basic form you wish

    deals +1d6 cold damage (cold subtype)
    takes 1d6 damage each round outside of freezing temperatures

    Snow Drift
    Druid 1
    10 cubic ft + 1 cubic ft / level of snow can be shaped as you wish
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:01 No.7247955
    Now I'm totally seeing a blizzarddruid dressed as Santa Claus on a bringing white christmas -rampage everywhere and making snowman golems. Now he only needs reindeer as animal companions or summons or whatever druids had again.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:03 No.7247976
    Goddamn, if I'd seen this stuff a week ago, I could have put together a bitchin christmas adventure.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:05 No.7248007
    They get both Animal Companions and summons, but I wouldn't go that way.

    He also needs nissemen, (whatever they are in English) which I guess would be gnomes.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:07 No.7248032
    elfs. Out of curiosity, were are you from?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:09 No.7248065
    You can also do BOTH.

    Elves are what they're called, but traditionally they look more like D&D gnomes than D&D elves.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:10 No.7248068
    My family is Danish.

    But they're not really elves, they're little guys with red hats and stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:13 No.7248096
    More Frostburn shenanigans:

    For 140000 GP, you may purchase a Major Iceheart, which at sunset every day casts the Fimbulwinter spell (which is also an 8th level spell for druids, so).

    The effects change depending on season, but even in summer it makes things cold and gives light snow. The description of a Major Iceheart explicitly states that the region its owner stays in WILL be perpetually snowy no matter what.



    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:15 No.7248118
    If the PCs defeat you, the snow melts
    They fall
    the world drowns
    bad end
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:15 No.7248121
    /tg/ reads elf as fantasy tolkien type of thing, the general public though...

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:16 No.7248142
    Yes, I know. They are called "tomtenissar" here in Sweden. and elfs in English.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:17 No.7248149
    Do I detect fellow Anon of New Jersey?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:18 No.7248172


    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:19 No.7248179
    So what should we name our crazy druid?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:21 No.7248206
    Santa Klaus.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:21 No.7248209

    Santa Clause
    Xanta Clause
    Xan Tak' Louse
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:24 No.7248236

    Xan Tak' Louse the evercold
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:26 No.7248261
    -The world drowns in water
    -The world suffocates in snow

    Wow, this druid is a dick.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:26 No.7248265
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    >Animate Snow
    This just in: Calvin is a druid.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:27 No.7248280
    only one thing can save us.

    Fire. Lots and lots of fire.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:27 No.7248282
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    This was not immediately obvious?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:31 No.7248334
    Relay? I thought he was a reality warper.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:37 No.7248405

    If th world was against the death of thousands, it obviously wouldn't give Xan his powers
    >> I apologized on 4chan 12/22/09(Tue)15:43 No.7248472

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:44 No.7248506
    Fire mostly brings about the first of the two outcomes faster.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:48 No.7248558
    if you have enough of it, it would vaporize directly.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:51 No.7248613
    Snows Natural enemies

    Disintegrate at will
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)15:56 No.7248676
    And then the world is cooked alive in steam.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)16:01 No.7248743
    Leading to the third way the world ends:
    -The world is cooked alive by the douchebag who decides to solve it with fire

    To be fair, this is probably the most merciful of the three ways.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)17:24 No.7249827
    Because having your flesh steamed off your bones is better than freezing to death?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)18:24 No.7249891
    It beats the hell out of suffocation, which is mostly what would happen with the other two.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)18:25 No.7249894
    What if the snow became just a big mountain, and not this weird-ass cylinder?

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)18:26 No.7249899
    Actually with Shape Spell it could become 4 small cylinders, placed in some weird pattern.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)18:31 No.7249925
    Yeah or the shape of a sideways cone, reaching into the heavens.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)18:38 No.7249950
    you lose now and forever

    That is how the campaign will end
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    > this thread

    however wouldn't disentigrate and demention spells work against the ice? and if not couldn't you just.....water world?
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)19:14 No.7249997
    Sure, destroy the snow and the ice. Bit by bit with your destructive spells and your fire spells.

    We'll just make more. Far more than your limited spells can cope with.



    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)20:05 No.7250125
    Cause, baby
    it's cold outside.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)20:41 No.7250268
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    So I presume he'll be walking around like this to play with stragglers
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)21:34 No.7250603



    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)21:56 No.7250722
    As far as spells go:

    Assuming 20 Starting Wisdom (point buy with a +2 Wis race, I'm sure there's one somewhere).

    +6 Enhancement Wisdom
    +5 Inherent (tome or successive wishes)
    +5 Statistic Point increase

    I can't think of anything offhand that improves wisdom outiside of one of these categories, though I'm sure they exist somewhere.

    Still, that's 36 Wisdom at level 20 which, combingin bonus spells with normal spells gives us:


    Investing in Pearls of Power increases your options for additional spells... too bad rings of Wizardry only work for arcane spellcasters.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:05 No.7250776
    no, he will turn into a giant ass mammoth.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:10 No.7250806
    I came
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:14 No.7250827
    Technically, you could wish for more types of always-on bonuses. So add a +5 luck bonus, a +5 insight bonus, a +5 sacred/profane bonus, a +5 natural armor bonus (don't ask me how a natural armor bonus can increase wisdom)...
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:16 No.7250837

    Honestly, this seems like a good idea if you want to construct a doom fortress. A big, snowy doom fortress.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:20 No.7250862
    Oh, and in addition to Pearls of Power, you could have a Memento Magica which costs less but only works for one spell (MiC).
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:22 No.7250870
    You just made my day with that item.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:22 No.7250871
    I'm sorry, I take that back. It works only for spontaneous casters.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:31 No.7250925
    Gah. Still handy, though, for spells you know you'll cast regularly.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:38 No.7250964
    D&D 3.5: Roleplaying.
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)22:51 No.7251072
    I know, right?!
    >> G. D. 12/22/09(Tue)23:00 No.7251150
    >What would your response be as PCs
    20th Level Wizard with Sudden Extend.

    - Cast extended Time Stop (hope to roll a '4' on the d4 to determine time; even if I don't, it's a guaranteed four-round Time Stop.)
    - (Optional) Shoot as many of my most powerful spells as I can at the druid, wait for there to be five or fewer rounds of Time Stop left.
    - Cast as many Delayed Blast Fireballs as possible, each with one less turn of delay (four turns left, delay five round... three, delay four, etc...).
    - Watch as your druid is pelted with 80d6 fire damage just as the Time Stop ends.

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)23:04 No.7251197
    >implying resist energy (fire) or energy immunity to the same doesn't exist

    Your heart is in the right place by using a Wizard. Your mind is not by using a wizard to blast.

    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)23:06 No.7251217
    "Ring of Resist Fire. Protection from Fire. Several Druid spells whose name I can't remember that keep me from dying. Also, that was my familiar, I'm wildshaped into the same shape (pushing it, I know)."

    "MORE SNOW."
    >> Anonymous 12/22/09(Tue)23:09 No.7251249
    Actually, by level 17 a damage-based Wizard/Incantrix (properly minmaxed, of course) can solo epic challenges with ease. Put enough Metamagic on an Orb of Fire, and Persist enough buffs, and there's nothing that can take you out shy of a Disjunction. And there's even ways to negate the possibility of that happening.

    That said, normally pre-epic you're correct. Once you hit epic levels enemy saves go through the roof.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:03 No.7251813
    I'm saddened that /tg/ still hasn't figured out the maximum snow that can be generated per druid, per day.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:06 No.7251833
    Play 4e


    Never deal with this bullshit again
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:08 No.7251849
    It depends.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:15 No.7251912
    You do realize that this sort of thing is a thought exercise. It's never meant to see play.

    While it's true that number of available options means that every now and again you wind up with something funky happening like this(which requires tweaking the hell out of an oddball spell from a very focused splatbook), I'll take the wealth of diversification 3.x offers over 4e most any day.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:33 No.7252052
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    'sup, niggahs. Residual Magic feat here. Y'all best be trippin' if you forgot about me.

    Blizzard's a 5th level spell, see? Well how 'bout you Twin that shit? What, you think a Repeated Extended gets you more Blizzy goodness? Ya forgettin' one thing. Next round, you cast a Repeated Extended Blizzard.

    And Twin it for FUCKING FREE.

    Next round? Cast an Extended Blizzard AND REPEAT IT FOR FREE.

    Chain your Blizzards an shit and you be trippin all over a pile of the white stuff fuck-huger than that piddly little snowcone you've got going there. You're fucking welcome, homeys.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:40 No.7252118
    I want to hate your for that grammar and attitude, but damn that is a good thing to point out.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)01:51 No.7252219
    So what's the most efficient way to go about it?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:03 No.7252318
    Alright, let's think, we've got 5 level 5 spells, and 4 each of everything else. Let's not count bonus spells, as per the OP's post...
    9 - Twinned Blizzard (40 rounds equivelant)
    9 - Extended Repeated Blizzard TWINNED (160)
    9 - Twinned Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    9 - Extended Repeated Blizzard TWINNED (160)
    Out of 9th
    6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
    6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
    6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
    6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
    Out of 6th/8th
    7 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
    5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
    7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
    5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
    7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
    5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
    7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
    Out of 7th
    5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
    5 - Blizzard (20)

    Add that up, and you've got your feet.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:04 No.7252329
    Lesson from OP? If you see a level 20 druid casting a spell? You have 7 minutes to disrupt his spellcasting.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:05 No.7252341
    1,400 feet even.
    Anyone got a more efficient method they can think of?
    >> BROther Laughing Man !AWEsomEEEE!!h0s0sLzn6uv 12/23/09(Wed)02:07 No.7252362
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    This thread.

    This entire thread.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:13 No.7252406
    Adding Rods into the equation.

    Possibly Staves as well, but that's not really a repeatable use item.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:17 No.7252440
    Hang on, gonna see if No twinning is more effective...

    9 Ex Rep 80
    6 Ex REP 80
    8 Rep EX 80
    6 Ex REP 80
    8 Rep EX 80
    6 Ex REP 80
    8 Rep EX 80
    6 Ex REP 80
    8 Rep EX 80
    Out of 6th/8th
    5 REP 40
    9 Ex Rep 80
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX 40
    9 Ex Rep 80
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX 40
    9 Ex Rep 80
    Out of 9th
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX 40
    7 Ex 40
    Out of 7th
    5th EX 40
    Out of 5th
    Adding... 1440, actually more efficient, WOO!
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:20 No.7252473
    Add Rods of Twinning/Chaining/Widening/Shaping, as appropriate.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:22 No.7252487

    That's 26,600,000,000 tonnes of water.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:23 No.7252496

    Jesus, I've done two of those things already, can't we get some aspie or someone to do it, my discalcilia is starting to make my head swim.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:29 No.7252548
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    That is it. I'm going to run my next campaign with lots of snow, cold and other fun ice based stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:31 No.7252567
    This is a druid we're talking about. You see a bird. Couple hundred feet up. Flying around. Just chillin'. Flippin' around like birds are occasionally wont to do. 7 minutes later HARGLRBRASDRLHJGL HOLY FUCK, SNOW.

    Because one of those unused feats our little Jack Frost has going for him is Natural Spell.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:32 No.7252583
    Can we amp this up? Rings of Elemental (Water) Command. Five per hand. What do?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:35 No.7252602
    GRRRRR.... let's assume we've got 1 Greater Twin Rod and 1 Repeat Rod. Chaining won't work, Widen just increases size, not height.

    9 Ex Rep R-Tw 160
    6 Ex TW 80
    8 Rep EX R-Tw 160
    6 Ex TW 80
    8 Rep EX R-Tw 160 Rod Out
    6 Ex TW 80
    8 Rep EX 80
    6 Ex REP 80
    Out of 6th/8th
    5 EX R-Rep 80
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX R-Rep 80
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX R-Rep 80 Rod Out
    7 Ex REP 80
    5 EX 40
    9 Rep Ex 80
    7 Ex REP 80
    Out of 7th
    5 EX 40
    Out of 5th
    9 Rep Ex 80
    9 Rep Ex 80
    Out of 9th, adding... 1760.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:37 No.7252616

    Forgot to specify: the rings should be forged to summon Elder Elementals. For optimum snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:39 No.7252627
    Snow Casting
    Con 13 prereq
    Add a handful of snow to a cold spell, cast it at +1 caster level (move action to gather snow)

    Frozen Magic
    Con 13 prereq, Snow Casting
    Spells in cold areas (40 degrees F and below) are cast at +1 caster level
    Spells in extremely cold areas (-20 degrees F and below) are cast at +2 caster level

    Storm Magic
    Spells cast while you are affected by a storm (natural or magical) are cast at +1 caster level
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:43 No.7252647
    While we're at it, +1 CL Ioun Stone, +1 CL Ring, and isn't there a Reserve Feat that gives +1 CL cold spells?

    Assuming CL 25 is possible here, that'd take >>7252602's 1760 up to 2,200. But do we have enough feats for all this?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:43 No.7252653
    Don't scrolls have zero weight? Can we get a Bag of Holding IV filled with Level 9 Scrolls of Blizzard?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:44 No.7252658
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    OP here


    You've buried this building ( 1,730 ft at the tip of those antennae spear things)
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:45 No.7252665
    That s INFINITE BLIZZARD and therefore cheating. Saying "How much Blizzard could I make if I had Blizzard infinity" isn't an interesting topic of discussion.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:45 No.7252667
    A human druid will have ~8 feats I think
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:46 No.7252673
    I love you, /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:46 No.7252676
    What do we get to bury with this?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:47 No.7252687
    Is that before or after flaws?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:49 No.7252703
    Repeat Spell, Extend Spell, Residual Magic, Natural Spell, Frozen Magic, Storm Casting, Snow Casting, and The Cold Reserve Feat (can't remember name, +1 CL) Assuming that the first Blizzard, regardless of local conditions, kicks on both Frozen, Storm, Snow Casting, and you have a +1 CL Ioun and +1 Ring... FUCK.

    Karma beads.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:50 No.7252705

    This anon humbly disagrees. A Bag of Holding IV can only hold so many pounds of material (1500lbs), but there's likewise a limit of cubit footage (250cu ft).

    Any of you grognards know how many cubic feet a scroll takes up?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:51 No.7252714


    However, it is snowing here. Maybe we are toying with forces we don't understand...

    ...No matter. MORE BLIZZARD.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:53 No.7252741
    OK, use a karma bead for +4 CL, you've got +7 CL on the first spell, as well as another +4 on all subsequent ones...2724 feet of snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:54 No.7252745
    Any man-made structure in the world... except the tallest one.

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:54 No.7252750
    ...that is dangerously close to half a mile of snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:55 No.7252757
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:56 No.7252763

    'Bout half a square foot. 500 scrolls of Lvl9 Blizzard.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:58 No.7252786
    I've seen a lot about rods in this thread, but can you actually use rods while shapeshifted? Isn't that a bit retarded?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)02:59 No.7252787
    Assuming by Level 9 Blizzard you mean a Repeated Extended Level 20 one, that'd net you 80 feet per scroll, so 4,000 feet. Bigger than casting yourself, but it'd take many times longer and be fucking expensive as hell.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:00 No.7252793
    So, entire world covered in thousands of feet of snow. Civilization continues entirely confined within huge tunnels of ice. Eventually children grow up having never seen the sky and knowledge of the surface dwindles. Little contact is had between cities as it's impossible to know exactly where in the snow they are.

    We've made Gurren Lagan with snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:02 No.7252810
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    Congrats /tg/

    2,684 ft is this bad boy
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:02 No.7252811

    Is time and money a question in building the snow monolith? 4000ft puts us easily past a mile.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:03 No.7252818


    >> Captain Failmore Squash Magician 12/23/09(Wed)03:04 No.7252824
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    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:05 No.7252834

    Changing the face of the world in 10 minutes or less
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:05 No.7252835

    Yeah, today. Now let's say our Druid goes back to bed for 9 hours... how much of that do you reckon you can shovel before he's back?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:05 No.7252847
    It's not that hard to imagine a bird holding a bunch of sticks (rods). I don't think there's anything against it.

    This is my new post-apocalyptic setting
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:06 No.7252859
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    Shovel? Where we're going, we don't need shovels...

    *summons Elder Fire Elemental*
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:08 No.7252874
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:10 No.7252892

    Use an elder water elemental to direct all of the steam produced into a Sphere of Annihilation.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:12 No.7252909
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    Everyone to Mt Everest

    It's 29,029 ft tall, well be safe for about two weeks
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:12 No.7252916

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:16 No.7252944
    what if we throw leadership in and grab some cohorts?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:17 No.7252948
    this man is win
    a mile is 5280 ft
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:18 No.7252954

    Shit. How many snowdruids can we get?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:19 No.7252967
    Someone archive this shit
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:19 No.7252970
    >a mile is 5280 ft

    Yeah, but before the 4000ft from scrolls, we're at 2724ft. 6724ft is more than a mile of snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:21 No.7252983
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    throwing it out there for reference, must've misread yer post
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:22 No.7252988
    The iceheart mentioned earlier in the thread actually has some fluff attached to it. To create one, you must be a member of the cult of an evil snow-god that wants to do...well, EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS THREAD
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:22 No.7252996

    Okay, we need to come to a consensus: Are we using the 4000ft worth of Blizzard scrolls?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:23 No.7252999
    On that note, is there some way we can work circle magic into this?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:23 No.7253000
    Only 1 sadly, and I'm not calculating how much THEY can throw up, fuck it, I'm done for the night. Suffice to say if they're basically your little brother/sister, without the benefit of your rods, they can probably squeeze out a good 800-1000 feet themselves.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:23 No.7253002
    Fuck yeah
    Snow for the Snow God
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:23 No.7253003
    No, this is bullshit. How many man-hours of experienced people would you need to create that, anyway? Do you have that many spellcasters in your country?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:25 No.7253017
    I vote no, it seems like cheating to just keep pulling magic items out (especially consumables, because you can accomplish anything in D&D just by burning a shitton of money, it really doesn't add anything to mention it).
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:25 No.7253019
    Can we planeshift and project Blizzard INTO the material plane to theoretically FILL AN ENTIRE PLANE WITH SNOW?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:26 No.7253026
    besides which, if we're accounting for time, the spell is Verbal and Somatic components only.

    Why spend a few days making a scroll when you can just say "fuck it, I'm doing it again tomorrow. SNOW FOR THE SNOW GOD!"
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:26 No.7253027
    One of the few times where the regrettable 3.5 habit of shoving setting-specific fluff onto every new item and prestige class helps!
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:26 No.7253030

    No scrolls it is then. The Snow stands at 2724ft.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:31 No.7253067
    Personally, I prefer it to just generic mechanics, it gives some idea of the intent so that if the rule is brokedy-shit, you can at least tailor it to what it meant to do.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:31 No.7253078
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    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:34 No.7253099
    yeah, but what if that cohort has a cohort?

    at level 20, youd have a level 18 one, theyd have a level 16 one, theyd have a level 14 one, theyd have a level 12 one, and theyd have a level 10 one... I dont think beyond that would make a diffrence for the spell because its level 5, unless you want to figure out a way to get them to use magic items to get more castings per round
    >> northern /k/ommando 12/23/09(Wed)03:34 No.7253101
    god damn it fa/tg/uys. have you weaponized snow?.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:35 No.7253105
    Cohort's can't take leadership, it's explicitly stated somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:35 No.7253106

    Possibly the best thing in the entire thread.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:36 No.7253117

    NO U
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:38 No.7253129
    Not so much "weaponized" as "made a seemingly neverending vortex of, which can bury the Earth's tallest skyscraper, literally, that can also be made of fire, acid, or electricity" >>7247243
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:38 No.7253130
    Snow is the new WMD, get with the times.
    >> northern /k/ommando 12/23/09(Wed)03:42 No.7253170
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    well then.

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:43 No.7253173

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:45 No.7253192
    Or burning, depending on how you roll.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:46 No.7253195
    Shit, that's 45 feet of snow, this is perfect for my railroading ways, next time they want to go somewhere, a crazy druid will fill the pass with 45+ feet of snow, hahaha
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:47 No.7253199

    You're thinking a bit small-scale.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:55 No.7253271
    You didn't read a thing in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:57 No.7253286
    If the snow is very powdery, it will spill over the outer limits of the spell until it reaches its angle of repose and create a mountain

    If the snow is very compact and solid... well, imagine a 2000+ ft section of snow wall breaking off and falling unto a town
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)03:58 No.7253289
    >Blizzard is a level 5 spell with a 100ft/level radius that lasts 1 round / level.
    1 foot of snow falls each round

    Isn't that 1 foot over 100ft?

    So wouldn't each foot of ground have like 1/100 feet of snow?
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    >this thread
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:01 No.7253309
    While I can certainly see that working, there's also a good chance you (like I) base your games (that, admittedly, I'm getting tired of) around the assumption that everyone will be optimizing their character on some level. It just feels like such a stretch to fit all this shit from all over the place into a coherent character without sweeping every bit of fluff about your abilities under the table.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:01 No.7253310
    How many spells do you know that become progressively worse in relation to itself as it grows more powerful?
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    /tg/ - physics, mathamatics, imagination and lots of numbercrunching.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:03 No.7253334
    Based on the final calculation of per day snow generation without items, here: >>7252741, I did a little calculation.

    Earth's moon is 238,857 miles from the Earth, on average. 2724 feet of snow added to our tower per day means that in 1268 years we can step right off the tower onto the moon (the Fimbulwinter spell ensuring it doesn't melt during construction). Barring certain racial shenanigans such as Killoren, Warforged, or Elan, we can't be expected to live that long, although the insane undying druid constantly adding to his tower, inching toward the moon, has a certain appeal to it.

    Gentlemen, we must increase the rate of snow production. We must reach the moon with our snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:04 No.7253344
    Oh, forgot about that. The radius of the new, huger pillar is actually more like 3,100 feet, rather than the OP
    s 2,000. So the pillar is still actually wider than it is tall.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:05 No.7253346

    How wide is the area of these effects. 1600+ feet of snow is incredibly devastating, but if its a mound of snow a mile in diameter, its only a very localized catastrope.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:05 No.7253348
    What's the surface area of the moon?

    Giant snowball to the face of the earth anyone?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:06 No.7253353
    Acolytes. Lots of them. Things like this are why they exist.

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:06 No.7253354
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:06 No.7253359
    >We must reach the moon with our snow.
    Addendum: Within our lifetimes and/or attention spans.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:07 No.7253362
    The first option that came to mind was FUCK YEAH ICE CREAM MACHINE-FORGED DRUID

    then the silliness: Gestalt Druid//Druid if that's even possible

    Then the "gate in some solars" approach to epic spellcasting, but find a way to summon...I believe there's a CR 26 or something fey that casts as a high-level druid.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:07 No.7253363

    I'm going to have an NPC send the PCs on a quest to the North Pole for my after-Christmas D&D one-shot.

    They're going to find this.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:07 No.7253369
    It's been archived for a while now. Look for the tag 'snow'.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:08 No.7253380
    Everyone really should go to sup/tg/ and vote this thread up, it's one of the best things to get archived in a long time.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:09 No.7253383
    We need immoratality, and a timeless abode to flee too after out daily allotment of spells is used, so we might rest in piece.

    A Genesis should work nicely, as well as simply being a warforged. A Warforged has the added benefit of not needing to eat, sleep, or BREATHE in the vacuum of space. The Wisdom penalty doesn't hurt much, as we haven't included bonus spells in our calculations anyway.

    Using a plane-shifting item and a timeless abode, we could simply built upwards ad infinium.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:10 No.7253386

    What the hell would 4000 ft of electricity even be? Solid Energy?

    Also, someone archive this shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:10 No.7253388
    Per Wikipedia:
    >>The Moon's diameter is 3,474 kilometres (2,159 mi),[4] a little more than a quarter of that of the Earth. Thus, the Moon's surface area is less than a tenth of the Earth (about a quarter of Earth's land area, approximately as large as Russia, Canada, and the United States combined), and its volume is about 2 percent that of Earth. The pull of gravity at its surface is about 17 percent of that at the Earth's surface.

    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:11 No.7253398
    No, because that's not what the spell block says. It specifies 1 foot per round, it's assumed that's 1 foot per round uniformly covering the area because that's typically how area spells work in D&D.

    So at 20th level it's a 4000-foot diameter expanding cylinder of snow.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:12 No.7253402
    Some people have argued that energy substitution can be used for sonic, too. Wrap your head around that one.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:13 No.7253409
    Actually, he could just sit on top of the growing tower, cutting handholds into the sides most of the day so that should he ever fall, he can climb back up even if it were to take years. Once the handholds are made each day, he sits and stares at the moon and stars intently, fascinated by the little details he can see just a bit more clearly. Night after night.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:14 No.7253416

    4000 ft of pure sound. Now that is fuckin metal.
    >> Captain Rock !seJuh9QJ3A 12/23/09(Wed)04:14 No.7253417
    [spoiler]It's not packing snow, you can never climb out.[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:14 No.7253420
    Ladies and Gentlemen, our druid is LOUDFORGED, BRINGING NOISE TO THE STARS
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:15 No.7253430
    No, no I didn't
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:15 No.7253431

    Acid - I don't know but it's terrifying
    Cold - Snow
    Electricity - A giant mass of electrically charged jelly-like snow
    Fire - burning magma flakes / snow so cold it burns
    Sonic - screaming snow
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:15 No.7253433
    Except that we've fgured out how to do up to 6,200 feet in diameter.

    Hold on, if we're going for endurance, we have to ditch the bead of karma, as it only lasts 10 minutes. That decreases us to -352 feet per instance of pillar-building, or 2372 feet.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:16 No.7253440
    The best part is that even as it reaches into space, MAGIC ensures that the snow keeps falling onto Snow-Bel tower.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:18 No.7253449
    Wrong, we only have to worry about it being in effect at the time of casting. You can cast all those spells within 10 minutes.

    Alternatively, multiple beads. They aren't that expensive.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:18 No.7253454
    Add in some sort of epic snowy ironwood variant and the Earth just got itself a baseball bat
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:20 No.7253466
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    >a timeless abode to flee too after out daily allotment of spells is used, so we might rest in piece.

    Your spelling is absolutely terrible, but /tg/ has solve this problem.

    Gentlemen, by the Holy Mechanicus of Mars, I cant: unsequester the HIKKIKOMORI BORG CUBE blueprints from the archives.

    We must build.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:21 No.7253470
    Well, yeah, I'm just saying at base 20. After adding in all sorts of factors you can raise it pretty high.

    Does it actually fall after awhile? Or does it just keep accumulating in the spot where it spawned?

    Either would work for our purposes, but it bears thought.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:26 No.7253496
    Fun thing about building a snow tower towards the moon: eventually the moon gravity becomes stronger than the earth for a few days a (lunar) month. So the moon passes by, rips away part of our ice tower, says LULZ, and goes away for another round.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:30 No.7253525
    Effectively sending snow missiles into the moon. With several druids partaking in this scheme, we could have an entire salvo every few months.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:31 No.7253536
    ... are we terraforming the moon?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:33 No.7253558
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    Not just that. We've been busy.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:34 No.7253568
    If we have several druids, we can either have a spiky Earth or start connecting these towers.

    Oh it wouldn't start big, it would take quite a while to connect two towers which were a few miles apart, but eventually they would span the world, symbols of the Druidic oppression of the people.
    Every town only a Druid's whim away from being crushed by prodigious amounts of snow as they break the snow bridges above them, and within a day, the bridge is back.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:39 No.7253608
    That's quite another way of looking at skynet...
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:43 No.7253633
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    > 1 foot of snow falls each round
    If each round = 6 seconds....

    Your snow on the bottom will become denser as it piles up, but even 1 foot of snow will quickly have some compaction on the bottom. Let's take this fact, assume a moderately dense snow (not powder, but not exactly slushy either), and say the snow has a mass 25% that of an equivalent volume of water.

    The 2000 foot radius is about 600 m (this is easier in metric). One round = 6 seconds. You are dropping a snow mass of
    (600 m)^2 * pi * 0.3 m * 1000 kg/m^3 * 0.25 / 6 s
    = 1.41 * 10^7 kg/s.

    Let's assume further that this snow is falling from an average height of 300 m (low clouds). The snow stops when it hits ground, transferring all its gravitational potential energy into sound and heat by then. We can get the total energy transferred from the snow into the atmosphere/ground as it falls:
    Power = (m/t)gh
    = 1.41*10^7 kg/s * 9.8 m/s^2 * 300 m
    = 4.16*10^10 W

    1 ton of TNT gives off 4.184 * 10^9 J. That means that it's like 9.9 tons of TNT are going off in this area EVERY SECOND. 660 seconds' worth of snow will fall (sometimes at more than 1 foot/second). That gives a total energy of 6560 kton of TNT.

    The smallest nukes in the current US arsenal are about 0.3 kton. In 7 minutes, you're releasing as much energy into that area as TWO SMALL NUCLEAR BOMBS.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:47 No.7253664
    Did you factor in air resistance?
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:49 No.7253684
    /tg/, someday your imagination will be the savior of this world.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:50 No.7253688
    Dante had this idea a few hundred years ago. It's a good one, though!
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:51 No.7253702
    Unfortunately, druids do not have access to the incantrix class; but they DO have the ability to get a cohort who is an incantrix.
    Incantrix can then ADD metamagic to the druid, by making a sufficiently high spellcraft check -- Should we assume now that the druid has a wizard 5/incantrix 10/bloodline 3 cohort?
    Assuming maximum intelligence on the cohort is 36 (35 normally; lacks the final bonus stat increase of leveling. I recommend taking a bloodline which increases the intelligence of said wizard by 1 by 18th level if possible?)
    Anyhow, assuming 36 int, that gives the incantrix the ability to apply metamagic to any spell cast by the druid a total of 3+intmod times per day. I believe that twinning is likely the optimal use of this ability at this point, but it may also be possible to increase the height in other ways. Twinning the largest 16 or so spells cast by the druid should significantly improve the maximum height generated by our druid.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)04:59 No.7253773
    Yes... the energy transferred is the same no matter what stops the snow. Any energy not sent into the ground upon landing will go into the air (and vice versa). So if the flakes hit the ground hard, they haven't transferred much energy into the air, but they are causing earthquakes like crazy.

    If they all land gently, then the sky maybe catches fire (with massive sonic damage too). At which point the falling snow turns to rain, and we're back to earthquakes. Which will put out the poor bastards in the AOE... at least, until the atmosphere cools enough to permit snow, which in turn lights the sky up again....

    The bottom line is that 1 foot/round is a *ridiculous* amount of snow. (For comparison, I live north of basically everyone who will read this thread, and the fastest falling snow I've ever seen is maybe 1.5 feet in an entire day. Houses, power poles, and even a bridge collapsed.)
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)05:00 No.7253792
    >maybe 1.5 feet in an entire day. Houses, power poles, and even a bridge collapsed

    Sir, I had 2 feet drop on my state last Saturday, and a table it piled on didn't even collapse.
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)05:04 No.7253824
    "The most snow to fall in the U.S. in one day was on April 14-15, 1921 in Silver Lake, Colorado where 76 inches of snow fell.

    The most snow to fall In 1 month in the U.S. is 390 inches in Tamarack, Calif. in January of 1911

    The most snow to fall In one storm (N. America) was 189 inches in Mt. Shasta Ski Bowl, Calif. Feb. 13–19, 1959

    The most snow to fall In one season (N. America) was 1,140 inches in Mount Baker, Wash. 1998–1999."

    95 feet in one SEASON /tg/
    Just saying
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)05:05 No.7253834
    We've got supernatural quantities of snow being forced into a single area - which would in turn take energy to cause. That energy, as the druid clearly is not horribly adversely affected by the act of casting this spell, must come from somewhere. I propose that the energy of the snow falling, and stopping is used to power the generation of more snow, rather than imparting into heat and sound on the basis of MAGIC!
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)05:10 No.7253878
    Sorry, the 4 key is next to the 1 key, and my fingers apparently suck. The most I have seen is 4.5 feet in one day. (With blowing wind, it got much higher next to structures. I have a picture of snow piles coming over the top of my house with just the chimney peeking out, with a little cave my dad dug from the front door to the road.)
    >> Anonymous 12/23/09(Wed)05:13 No.7253899
    That makes far more sense. Carry on.

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