You did the right thing, son.

That doesn't really mean ANYTHING, does it?

The humans thought he was killed by elves already.

tldr
>HURR DURR DURR HURR

You are a dick. But if your DM hadn't been such a thirteen year old girl over that, it wouldn't have been so bad. She could have given the exact same information but with less blatant "Elves are so awesome guise" and it would have been fine.

So? The only thing that would make this bad is a possible DM reaction. So far you exerted influence on his world in an unexpected way appropriate to a PC. Now the DM will change the world according to your actions and progress the game.

Y'know, it's pretty much as standard.

>>7028072

You are a dick.

But you're a good man, Charlie Brown. I applaud. How'd you frame him?

>>7028107
Second.

10 pts sir.

Slaughter all the elves. Build a statue to the dead dude on the ruins of their capitol. No survivors.

>>7028110

Yeah, and now he can't be brought back so they can go "OH NO WE WERE WRONG" and make peace.

Double points if you can get an extra reward for your service to the Human principalities.

>>7028187
>>Build a statue to the dead dude on the ruins of their capitol.

I didn't think this thread was going to get any better given the very decent win to begin it. It just did. Do THIS, op. Kill them all, because if you enslave them she'll have them revolt and get away. Or have them all get gang-raped by your army if you feel really dickish, then leave only the females alive to raise an entire species of cumdumsters for humanity, a species where the males are all killed. 10 generations in, put them all to the sword.

>>7028236
>everyone is joking around then some guy suggests rape camps

>>7028302
>>I wasn't joking

>>7028315
I uh... didn't say you were? Reading comprehension bro.

Congratulations, OP, you've made the world a little bit darker.

>>7028328
>>>everyone is joking around

I wasn't joking. I'm not the rape camp guy either.

This
Evil campaign,
be the BBEG.
Final destination!

>>7028342
Joking: 2. To speak in fun

>>7028236

You're why we can't have nice things!

>this thread

>>7028361
Actually, if he keeps up with this, he's going to be in a war with the DM before long. The real question is, who are the other players going to go with? Because if they're more her friends than his, or gets just as wet for elves as she does, he is going to turn into the BBEG. Otherwise, she's going to have a party running completely counter to her carefully laid sparkly railrod. Which will probably be good for her as a DM.

I hate elves and their fans, and /tg/ is one of the few places on the net that I genuinely like. But in elves VS /tg/, I'll cheer for the treefuckers. Seriously. Somebody posts the word, and out of three posts at least one is "rape torture genocide ololol so edgy". I can't escape imagining one fat, lonely disfigured mockery of humanity sitting in his pit in front of a computer, spamming every elf thread with his sexual fantasies while spittle drips from his open mouth and horrid gleam shines in his tiny porcine eyes.

>>7028551
So the elf troll is Ganon? It fits.

what is really going to happen is:
1) retcon killing the prince
2) OP is not invited to game any more for killing hambeast GMs pet characters

>>7028573
Indeed it does.

Still, I can't help but feel a warm spark of approval at destroying the fantasies of a yaoi fangirl.

>>7028601
The sad truth.

>>7028072
You're a dick. Also, I want in on your GM's campaign. There's not [i]nearly[/i] enough gay princes in my campaigns.

>>7028155

OP here. Now, to explain, this is 4e and I'm playing an Illusionist Wizard. Naturally, I keep this fairly quiet, since I have a decent number of non-illusion spells. Pretty much every Illusion spell I CAN have an alternate for in my spellbook, has one that isn't an Illusion which I make a point of using more, often publicly.

I enlisted the aid of a party member, and cast Phantom Mask from Arcane Power on both of us, so that we assumed the form of the prince and his lover. Both were currently engaged in a tryst deep within the prince's luxurious apartments, far enough away so as not to hear us. I had already learned the routes the gardeners took...the Elf gardeners were all low-level Druids for whoknowswhatreason, incidentally...and timed it precisely so that we would be seen in our disguises as one of the gardeners passed, and overheard arguing violently. Tears were shed, angry words spoken, and finally, said gardener saw and heard the "Prince" strike the "Elf" across the face.

Now, doubtless you are wondering how I got the DM to go along with my obvious shenanigans, when she could have just fiated the Prince and his lover walking in on us mid-illusory-argument, or the gardener asking about it. Simple, I told her OOC that I feared the Prince might have enemies...perhaps a traitorous elf general wishing to use the war to seize power, or assassins from outside, and that I wished to make it seem like the lovers had had a fight and the Prince was going to leave his lover's home for a few days, to travel to a remote village for solace. This would draw out any assassins, while we clandestinely transported the prince homeward.

>>7028551
That is why I love Dwarfs, not Elfs whom people have numerous wet dreams about. :/

>>7028551
You have an active imagination yourself, as is well considering your hobby but you have to understand that elves are the ultimate Mary Sue unless people treat them like shit in-universe. They basically take all the wondrous qualities of the fairies, angels and nymphs from classical folklore and make them immortal badasses besides who are enlightened and better at EVERYTHING. Who could imagine any relationship with them that doesn't make mankind look like asses in comparison? No one has to my knowledge, so the best we can hope for is being awesome pricks.

>>7028621
Tbh you played a role. You did what you wanted which is the point of an RPG. Your Dm was a whiny fuck.

>>7028621
Grats, you were a dick and lied to a person. I can get that you were all 'lol, fuck dem elves', but you had to metagame to do this? Kinda lame, broski.

>>7028679
There's no reason why they have to be treated badly unless some delicate IRL human egos have to avoid being bruised by fiction.

>>7028679
But elves are made to suck mechanically
-1 hp/level?
lol no

>>7028621
>>7028683
Note DM's reaction is never mentioned.

>>7028679
>you have to understand that elves are the ultimate Mary Sue unless people treat them like shit in-universe

Wait... Adolf? You sleazy scumbag, we though your escape submarine sunk. So, you're after the fairies now?

>>7028758
I suspect it was to RAGE. Just off the top of my head.

>>7028758
Indeed. Well, OP? The story isn't done yet. Did she ban you from the group or what?

>>7028621

Now, it is worth noting that I worked almost entirely through servants, each carrying out tiny parts of my plan. Or I would disguise my shape and be the "servant" myself, such as the one that brought wine to the two lovers that evening. Drugged wine, of course. The DM still thought I was amusingly wrapped up in an overcomplicated plot to return the prince homeward.

Now, as an Illusionist Wizard, it is important to note Arcane Power has gifted me with a number of options to create phantasmal warriors. Previously in the game, it had been established that I could make them look like whatever I wanted (I'd used Phantasmal Assailant early on to make it look like we had a legendary assassin on our side) and that the wounds they gave looked authentic. The DM had also made the mistake of letting us see the Prince's stats...and had made him fairly helpless (level 1 Bard NPC) so that his big, strong, Elvish lover could protect him. Coup de Grace. FAR above his bloodied value using one of my "make a phantom enemy" spells. Shaped like his lover, just in case they tried used any sort of forensics. I wore gloves, clean ones, as I picked up the Elf's sword, put it in his hand, and soaked it in the victim's blood.

Incidentally? I'd already set up ironclad alibis for all of this.

>>7028769
That's a complete assumption, though.

The OP pulled a fairly clever PC move; if the DM doesn't RAGE then it's just a good twist to the game. Everyone assumed the DM flipped and started suggesting ways to wreck the game, but it was never clarified what the consequences were.

>>7028691

Ever played with a DM who REALLY has a lot invested in one of their NPCs? They'll twist the story however they want to ensure the outcome they want. Lying was fucking justified.

>>7028855
So the DM is now the enemy?
Nice broski, be petty to solve the problem!
Or just not play in the campaign, eh?

…And so did the elven nation fall to the armies of man.

Each village that they conquered they put to the torch, burning the home trees and the great orchards. Even Man and boy they found they beheaded, building a great pile of skulls in the center of every town. The women and girls they carted off to their cities in iron shackles. Although many tried none could resist or escape, for so bound even the greatest of wizards would have been powerless. By the hundred and by the thousand they were carted and carried back to the great human cites of tenements and smoke bleaching factories.

In the dark and soot-stained cites of the human kingdoms the elvish women were enslaved so that their beauty and magical prowess would answer only to the whims of their callous human overlords. Diluted through the generations by wave after wave of human blood, the moon goddess Anolindë finally turned her tearstained face from her people’s plight, unable to bear their suffering any longer. Deprived of her divine grace and immersed in air tainted by the filth of industry, their once bright skins turned black as the smog that surrounded them.

>>7028837
Indeed. She could be a perfectly good DM, but that weird rose tinted view she has of elves makes me wary. It might turn out perfectly fine, but I'm cautious.

OP here, session ended with me framing the Elf and leaving. That was last week, no idea what will happen now.

>>7028872

Even abandoned and embittered with their ancient gifts bound in chains of cold iron, the elvish women never ceased in their efforts to free themselves. The chains were not perfect, and the master’s watch could not be endless, so in ones and threes some women were able to slip away in the night, finding refuge in the labyrinths of sewers and mausoleums beneath the great city.

There they made small enclaves of their freed sisters. What few male children were born there were allowed to live and grow, and soon the enclaves became towns, and the towns became a great settlement deep in the foundations and cellars of the human kingdom. From there the women would sneak back to their old masters and enact bloody vengeance upon them in the deep of the night.

>>7028887
>>7028872
ITT: Drow

>>7028887

And those free women began to worship a new goddess, a dark and malevolent lady drawn to the mortal realm by the suffering and defilement unleashed on the world by the human factories. She named herself Drahaua, and was a goddess of grief and retribution for those who had been victimized, whose symbol was a great spider. And when the sign of the spider was found carved into the chest of the knight or the senator or the flesh-merchant, mankind did begin to know fear.

And so were born the drow people…

Tl;dr – all the men were killed and all the women were raped in front of their dead parents. And then they were slaves. And that’s why the drow are so pissy.

Also, Kudos on the masterplan, OP. Well played indeed.

>>7028883
What do you think will happen? I get the impression you might be 'that guy' in an otherwise a little skewed but fairly normal group.

...lame

>>7028714
Except to bruise the egos of those who worship them, seriously I like elves, I play them constantly but can you please not focus an entire species around your power fantasies?
Theres nothing awesome about playing perfect immortal beauties who are aligned with
the universal truth of the earth if all you do all day long is sparkle for everybody.

>>7028867
>So the DM is now the enemy?
>now
>Implying that this isn't explained in depth on page one of every games rulebook.

>>7028980
They have this new wishy-washy idea where the DM and players are supposed to "collaborate". Fools.

Sounds like the DM was cool with it so far. Otherwise she'd just have thrown a Deus ex machina to prevent you from killing the guy.
You've made an interesting turn to the campaign. Receive 500 XP and please provide us with the DM reaction.

>>7028714

Elves are Mary Sues, arrogant cockbite ones who still expect to be treated as the "good guys" and yet can't back that up with sufficient force. Treating them as scum is realistic.

OP, I commend you.

You are doubly not a dick if you did it because your character/the humans find homosexuality abhorrent, and you wished to save the prince and your nation the shame of having his monstrous nature revealed for all to see.

>>7028867


I'm >>7028855 not OP, and yes, in this case the DM is definitely the enemy.

You know, it reminds me of what my DM did. He had this vampire lord kidnap a "nubile young prince" so that they could live forever together or some shit like that.

The story takes a weird spin afterwards.

Several minutes after the announcement of that dreadful plot twist, he goes to the washroom. Now, our designated "THAT GUY" goes over and knocks over the DM's screen so he could take a look at the notes (Yeah, he's an idiot).

But there was only a sheet of paper. On it was a creepy message:

"It doesn't matter what you do.

The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come. The apocalypse will come."

After freaking the fuck out, THAT GUY put everything back in order and sat down before the DM walked out of the washroom and continued the session.

We still haven't figured out if he was trolling us, or if he's insane.

It's no fun DMing for players out to ruin the campaign from the off. I just tell them to GTFO. When I player throws me a fastball, like what this guy did, I don't mind.

you have to take care of the body, or you bet your ass the sucker will end up raised.

>>7028980
Well, little troll, to humor you I just flipped through 4 rulebooks I had handy. There was nothing to that effect in any of them. The ST may be responsible for the enemies/villans/npcs what have you that you face, but most of the books referred to them as a narrator. I am amused by the lazy thinking you have that leads to not distinguishing between the PERSON running the game and the characters they run that your characters run in to. Nice going, brosephl.

>>7029041
That's creepy. All of my campaign notes are exactly like that.

>>7029071
I don't think he was trolling. "The DM is the enemy" is a running joke with most of the people I play with. I think he might have been trying to be funny.

>>7029071

>>7028941
Hell, even when I played a Drow dual wielding katanas (I was MUCH younger), I only wanted to play an "elf" for the SR

>if he was trolling us, or if he's insane

does it matter? that was incredibly awesome.

>So I did the only thing I could, I murdered the Human prince and framed his lover for the crime.

That was my first thought as I read the set up, and I'm fairly sure that each and every person I game with on a regular basis would have done same (ok, maybe one exception, possibly two). Might just be that we play WHFRP though, you shank your way to what ever little success you can get (usualy just some other guys not far so aged boots) befor you yourself end up shanked for your boots.

>total anhilation of the elven race

You should kill all of the elves. Start a genocidal war backed by the human king.

DO IT DO IT DO IT. PURGE THE WORLD OF THE POINTY-EARED SCUM.

>>7029097
>HERP

>>7029105
Except for the part where the DM apparently turned the campaign into a yaoi vampire story.

OP here, answering questions! I saw a few about the party, and who sided with who. One of our team is pretty gold-obsessed and mercenary, and didn't really like the Elves much, so she was more than willing to join me for the illusionary argument I mentioned in my earlier post. One member of our team is a BLATANT weeaboo who fucking ADORES Elves and would probably burst into tears at me if he'd been here the session I killed the Prince. Two of the others are my friends, and the last one is neutral but a bit of a contrary type who will go against whatever the PCs are trying to do.

just being chaotic neutral, amirite guys? oh wait, 4E

>>7029152

OP again! One more thing...the DM seemed pretty much shocked, but this is an online game, so I couldn't see her face. She didn't rage at me right away, at least, just ended the session there.

>>7029152
It sounds as if you want the DM to flip out and get upset. Do you not enjoy the game or the company of the DM? Are you trying to cancel the game entirely?

>>7029152
When are you next playing? Post a thread detailing the group's response in game. I predict weeaboo will flip his/her shit.

>>7029091
Yeah, I'm with this guy. He likely thought THAT GUY would cheat and look, and figured "I just fuck with him then"

So when your karma comes homew to roost, and you die an ignominious death for your bastardry, will you be on /tg/ posting a baaaaaaaaw blog about railroading?
I hope not. i hope you are man enough to take your comeuppance like a proper villain, seeing as you've gone so far out of your way to be one.

Um. This D&D?

Can't these elves just get a resurrection going on their dead human prince sextoy man and figure out at the very least that SHENANIGANS were played?

>>7029185
Villainy?
homosexuality is a crime good sire, and must be purged from the world. It's what St Cuthbert would want.

>>7028072
Very well done. If your DM was smart theyd have the war play out and leave some clues to the fact that you may have instigated it. I.e have you benifit form this war due ot some of your bsckstory (a reason to instigate a war anyway)

>>7029202
With the heft mustache he was sporting?
pfffff i think not.

>>7029037

OP yet again. Pretty much this, combined with "this war is fucking incredible for our economy, has revitalized the nation, recharged patriotic spirit, and brought in a ton of money" (enough that the DM could show us a bunch of dickhat humans being greedy)

Additionally, part of the reason I was sent along on this mission is because I'm one of the Human Royal Wizard's apprentices, and if I distinguish myself enough I'll likely be next-in-line for the title, which would automatically make me nobility.

Also, throughout the story, she portrayed the human nation as hidebound and homophobic, and since I'm FROM that nation, it made sense I'd find it disgusting that the symbol of our royalty was being the uke to an Elf.

>>7029154
No, murdering innocents because they make you feel inferior is kind of evil.

Kudos to OP, even if the roleplaying was unintentional. In a world where elves are so fucking perfect, average humans would most certainly hate them (and their abominable social liberty). Of course, if your DM knows her tricks, your plot will be brought to light the moment your back is turned, and you are bound to feel heavy backlash from a host of organizations ranging from criminal cartels to paladin orders. And I have a feeling that your DM won't be very subtle about it. Start brewing contingencies.

>>7029261

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurElvesAreBetter
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleukqnnj0yvqci?from=Main.CantArgueWithElves

...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewYouElves

I haven't read the whole topic, only the OP, but... well, I don't know to what purposes you and your group are playing (ostensibly it sounds like the DM is playing to have an excuse to schlick to elf yaoi) but as far as a story-telling exercise this sounds pretty goddamn badass. The question is, are you doing this because this character of yours would do this, or because you want to bring down the DM's house of glass crashing down around her ears? If it's the latter then your own self-assessment is accurate, but if it's the former, I say you did the right thing.

this was online?

the GM will first try to get the other players on her side. if they are more your friends than hers this won't go well. realizing she has control of the game she will put all of you on Ignore and quit. she might start looking for another group or might create a new online persona.

>>7029243
The question I have -- did you do this to dick over your DM because your disliked the revelations and then used your character's personality and backstory to justify it, or is this purely acting in-character?

Cause the first would be dickery of a tremendous order, while the second would be dick but cool.

>>7029243
Use that very reasoning to explain it to the DM later. If she is one of the types that WANTS to be a good DM, she'll learn from the whole thing. If she isnt, she'll rage internally, as your logic is still sound.

>>7029202
Incoming christfag derail.

>>7029041
It's foreshadowing. Start getting some anti-undead gear.

>>7028072
I would do a similar thing.

What's with all "Preserve the NPCs" BS?
NPCs are there to be interacted with, not to be the stars of some homoerotic show for the PCs.
If PC interaction turns into murder, well whoop-ti-do, there are millions of other NPCs in the world.

If Dragon Age taught me anything, it's murder first, justify later

>>7029312
Even if it isnt foreshadowing, you should always have anti-undead gear. Even if its just shotguns for zombies.

>>7029070

Actually, I did. Surprised I forgot to mention this earlier, but the Elvish nation has laws against raising the dead. It hasn't come up much, since none of us have died, but we got a big "You don't let your heroes rest in peace!?" reaction when we mentioned it as among the services offered at our temples (the DM harped ENDLESSLY on about how much less materialistic Elven religion is)

>>7029173

Will do!

Wow, I"m a huge libfag, and even I want to beat her over the head with a Micheal Moore novel.

>>7029417
Use an Anne Coulter one. It might burn the chick's flesh at the same time.

>>7029041

Oh, he's definitely trolling you. I always make sure to have a page of fake plot twists and falsified NPC stats behind my GM screen for when I go to the bathroom.

>>7029417
Micheal Moore is a hack

his stuff used to be good then he just became an asshole who edits shit however he pleases to make people look bad

>>7029261

I honestly don't see a way he could be caught, especially if he takes steps to ensure the Elf bodyguard dies rapidly. If this comes to some sort of a trial, and the gardener mentions he saw them arguing, and the Royal Guard faggotelf denies it...well, it's his word against his. Making him kill himself is ideal.

Then again, even if they accuse OP of being guilty, I don't see the human nation being convinced unless the DM plays some serious bullshit.

>>7029471
I just keep it all in a binder and take it with me.

>>7029471
Original guy here.

While the likelihood of him trolling is high, he's not exactly a very stable guy. It could go either way.

OP, how did the DM react?

>>7029186
>>7029070
This is what will happen. Your efforts are all for naught.

>>7028072
>So I did the only thing I could, I murdered the Human prince and framed his lover for the crime. That's where last week's session ended.

>>7029589
>>7029612

Both of these were answered already, laws against raising the dead and "She was shocked."

>>7029243
If your DM actually gave you sufficient monetary incentive and cultural motive to silence homosexuality and proceed with a war, then she shouldn't have seen this outcome as completely out of left field. It's going to depend on how cognizant she is of your character vs. you the player, but provided she doesn't enforce liberal social values on you through the game, things should turn out fine.

>>7029185

This OP.

You've done a magnificent act of bastardy here. Either you'll get massively rich and receive all the status you could desire, or you get slain by vicious elves when your plot is revealed. If so, take it like a man and don't whine.

10 points from me.

>>7028072

>>7029656
THis, THis, THis

>>7029041
Probably trolling you. I ran campaigns for years with only a single piece of paper as my "notes," which just had a drawing of a cupcake with a human face floating in the air. No idea if any of my players ever looked behind the screen or in my folder and saw it.

(In the case of the folder it also contained copies of their character sheets, but that's all.)

Like most posters in this thread with any thematic sense have realised, you will be vilified for your actions. Try to be a good sport about it/enact even more deliciously elaborate dickishness to foil fey efforts on that front.
Whether your actions were for good or ill depends more on whether you were a dick about it, what the general feel of the campaign was and whether you'd talked beforehand about what you all expected from the campaign than how much /tg/'s resident misanthropes want to rape imaginary fantasy creatures.

>>7029901
Vilified for what? Having the strength to do the right thing?

For king and country!

>>7029901

Sounds that it was a huggy-wuggy Can't Argue With Elves campaign that got derailed by grimdark political expediency in the form of assassination.

>>7030028
>For king and country!
>OP murdered the Prince
Family is kind of a big deal for royalty, nobility and the like. Princes can be married off to form bonds between neighboring kingdoms, and having a spare around in case the Crown Prince bites it is always a good idea.
Regardless of circumstance, if the King ever found out what really happened OP would likely receive worse treatment than he would at the hands of the Elves (at least, that would make sense to me).

>>7030117

>Regardless of circumstance, if the King ever found out what really happened OP would likely receive worse treatment than he would at the hands of the Elves (at least, that would make sense to me).

Except, in the eyes of the Principality, the Elf-Lover would be regarded as a Race Traitor and a filthy homosexual. This would reflect very badly on his family. His death, while regrettable, is probably the best option for preserving the ruling family's honour.

>>7028872
and then...
CYBERPUNK DUNMER REVOLUTION

ITT: Assassin's always get caught
Only kill who the DM wants you to kill

>>7028072
good job OP

the CIA would be proud. If your enemy doesnt appear as such, make them. Do whatever it takes.

>>7030159
>ITT: Assassin's always get caught
'If' for fuck's sake. Also, read the fucking OP, we're being bloody realistic about the chances of cosmic forces conspiring to uncover the act given what we know about the GM.
Also, what the fuck is that apostrophe doing after the word assassin?

Congratulations son, I'm proud of you.

You did what had to be done for your country.

>>7030117

Except he saved the King from having the international shame of a son who takes it in the ass from Elves. Why do you think Nero was so unpopular in the end? Because he was having his Greek slaves fuck him in public (that and being a massive cunt)

You are wizardly James Bond. Good going OP.

OP here. The question is...now what? I took many steps, detailed above, to keep from being caught (in fact, both during the argument I staged and the murder of the prince, my presence was well-recorded elsewhere.

What can I do? What do you see that I might have missed? I may not use all ideas, and I think I've got a good handle on things, but fresh perspective is always useful.

>>7030583
Now you leave the game and never look back since it's run by a weeaboo cunt.

>>7028137
So they're stealing our jokes now too? FFFFFFFFFF

>>7030611
Unless she's sucking your dick. Then you tough it out until the end of the campaign and then leave.

>>7030583

You dug this hole, it's all up to you. No help. Let's see if you really are as smart as you seem to think.

>>7030583
Any chance they know if it was you?
If so more prince illusions.
If not more prince illusions but have him randomly die in part of the streets
Or just big illusion messages of "Your next." Or "For the greater good."

>>7030583

Well, as I see it, there's nothing else you could have done to be more careful. Right not your concern will be not revealing your hand and getting the hell out of Dodge as quickly and as unsuspiciously as is humanly possible. With the Prince dead, it should be fairly easy to make your excuses and leave. The longer you stay there, the more you run the risk of discovery.

One unanticipated side-effect may be that this will harden the heart of the Elves against relationships with humans.

"Prince Willwirrin thought the humans could be trusted, even loved! And look what it drove him to!"

If you could encourage the Elves to take a more war-like stance against the humans, you're decreasing the risk of a peaceful conclusion to this pest-control.

>>7030747

Tripfagging because writing "OP here" was tiresome. Alright, as I see it, my remaining obstacle is the fact that the accused is the leader of the elvish Royal Guard, he's important. And, while the Elves profess to be egalitarian (the Princess is allowed to play with peasant children) as all hell, his word is going to hold up above that of the gardener when establishing motive. That, and there might be a few Rituals that can establish truthfulness. The gardener genuinely believes he saw an argument, any primitive forensics will support the version of events I've tried to create. The problem is what will happen if they use truth-detecting magic on the Royal Guard. Not if they ask him whether he killed the Prince, because he was unconscious during that time, but if they ask him about the argument, because he'll tell them honestly he wasn't fighting with the Prince, but screwing him, at the time.

...The obvious solution seems to be "kill him before trial, make it seem like suicide."

>>7030583
You've presumably done all you can to cover your trail. It seems to me that it is now imperative to stir up both the humans and the elves in some way. Ideally, the humans will never know what you have done here, so that the royal family suffers no disgrace. But if they aren't currently attacking the elves, you need to stir the nest.

What you need to do is get out of Dodge, leaving a trail of evidence showing exactly what you did. Make it look as bad as possible, so the elves can't help but initiate hostilities. This will enrage the humans, and lead to TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE ELVEN RACE.

>>7030764

That...could end badly. From what I understand, if the elves are made to go all out, the humies die. In droves.

>>7030837
Use this to make it seem like he went insane.

What happens next depends entirely on your GM's ability to roll with the plot, no matter how pissed she is at you.

>>7030837
The best would be to make him think, somehow, that he actually DID kill the prince. But I don't think you can do that, especially not in 4E.

Either way, who cares? Get the hell out of dodge. Who are the humans gonna believe, you or the elves? That's what matters.

>>7030837

You're Human, an Elf just seemingly killed the Prince. Make sure you're with the group who finds the body, and FUCKING MURDER HIM. Express all the possible outrage imagineable.

>>7030837

He was unconscious at the time. That could work in your favor. The way I see it, the Royal Guard descended into a blind rage, slew the prince, and awoke hours later with no memory of what had happened. Can you use any mind-tampering spells?

>>7030878

Not really, the Humans are more ruthless, have a bigger army, and have massed infantry/cavalry/archer lines/siege where the Elves mostly have skirmishers and individual units of light cavalry or swordsmen.

The Elves are innocent, peaceful victims, after all.

>>7030985
DM Fiat
"The elves totally had back up plans and bring out their real power and make butt monkies of everyone cuz each elf has PC power but the human armies are minions only

>>7030985
Make an illusion of people in town
Make an illusion of elf archers shooting them
Have an illusion elf cleric come in and teleport the bodies away
Do this in the town square

>>7031007

Mmhhm. Thank you for puting my thoughts to words. It would be when the shit gets to throw down time, the elves pull all souta shit out of nowhere.

>>7030837

Learn to tell half truths VERY VERY WELL.

'Did you kill the human prince?'

'I wasn't the one who ran him through with a sword.'

>>7031052 'I wasn't the one who ran him through with a sword.'

*That*'s not at all suspicious and mocking.

Okay OP, here's the plan.

Step 1: Flee to the Dwarven Lands.

Step 2: Tell them what you've told us.

Step 3: Become National Hero.

Step 4: Hookers and Blow.

This might not actually occur, the fiat bit. She tried that a few times early on in the game and was fairly unanimously shot down, and after that, and a few fits of pique, she makes a point of having actual stats for all NPCs, rolling all dice in front of us, etc. Again, the Elves are victims of the big, mean humans. Think Avatar, but more gay sex.

>>7031052
>>7031094
Learn to tell almost truths

'Did you kill the human prince?'

Does it look like I could kill a man with a sword?

>>7031094

It'd help if you were sneering at teh ghey. Better idea:

'I'm not the angry butt-lovin' queer who ran him through with a sword.' *dismissive sniff*

>>7031111

We noticed.

>>7031052
Better one: "I didn't stab him!" It is true, and not oddly specific in the denial

>>7030837
Use your phantasmal warrior to make a second elf Royal Guard Captain guy.

Convince the elves that the first one is a doppleganger, then dispose of him. Or better yet, have your warrior dispose of him, then convince the elves that it was a doppleganger.

The elves now tear themselves apart looking for non-existent dopplegangers (who were obviously to blame for the murder of the prince) while you head back home and kick the Elf Relocation Commission into high gear.

Can we get someone to archive this shit?

Also, for the record, this whole thread proves that you CAN fucking roleplay in 4e.

The DM is playing Blue Rose, the OP is playing WHFRP.

Amazing, people are actually saying what the OP did was WRONG? Despite the campaign sounding like a schlick-fic for the DM?

For shame, /tg/, this man is a Tactical Genius!

>>7031214
Who says what he did was wrong?! We're just concurring it makes him a bit of a dick. But still made of more win than most of us in our games.

Hm... did the Prince have any servants with him? Human servants? If so, have an illusion of that murder the prince as 'revenge'.

>>7031116

This has been brought up before, ingame, my character has Str 9 (we're in Paragon tier), and is very physically weak, there is no way I could ram a sword through someone's chest.

>>7031264

No, we were the first people from the Human nation (and we aren't all Human) to discover the Prince was alive

>>7031322 there is no way I could ram a sword through someone's chest.

I learned in Firefly that it only takes 5 lbs. of pressure to do that. You could just lean on it.

>>7031322
Well that's a shame. You could have an illusion of the elf lover flip out and kill people, but that'd be a little excessive I think. My suggestion: Just get the hell out.

>>7031214
Yes, you can be a dick and still be in the right.

OP, if I were the DM I'd have the elves send the body to the humans to be "mourned," and OH LOOK - raised. Then the humans figure out what you did by DM fiat and both sides hate your ass. What happened to the body?

If you're lucky, the DM will get all schlicky about giving him a hero's burial. Ooh - suggest that to the elves. You're still on good terms with them, right? Don't offer to take the body to the humans to make peace with them, or you'll get an "honor guard" way too big for you to take out.

>>7031348

>>7031379

I'm not familiar with D&D, but do you require the whole body to raise it? If not OP could decapitate the corpse or something, then bring that back to the humans as evidence of the Elves' brutality and hatred of man, fanning the flames of war and removing the possibility of being raised.

I'm wondering about that, actually, how is it that so few cultures just Raise their dead?

I'm guessing the local death gods frown on it, maybe?

Has anyone archived this yet?

>>7031456
>>how is it that so few cultures just Raise their dead?

That would throw off the whole "generic medieval dirt farmer" setting of my D&D. So, arbitrary restrictions - it's expensive, it doesn't stop aging, etc.

I love playing shamanic characters who walk around with bags of their ancestors' bones, trying to scrounge enough money to raise them and earn a higher place for themselves on their tribal reincarnation rota.

>>7031456

That's the problem with magic in settings like default D&D though. Magic can solve EVERYTHING.

>>7031513
s/my/most/

>>7031456
Because very few cultures have enough diamonds to blow 5000gp of them on each and every person who bites it.

Also, it doesn't work on people who died of natural causes, or who don't want to be raised.

>>7031513
>>7031456
>>7031524

4e has a 30-day hard limit on Raise Dead.

>>7031456
Shit's kinda expensive.

>>7031379
Turn the body over to the high lords, tell them he's fucking an elf. PROMOTIONS.jpg

Be careful with the whole half truth "I didn't stab him" thing, make sure that everyone knows how he died or that the party knows.

>>7031348
That's just to pierce skin. To actually cause some damage and push the blade through bone, sinew, and general guts, you'd need a bit more strength.

>>7031708
"I did not beat him to death with a fencepost at midnight. What, he wasn't killed with a fencepost? Oh... please don't look into any fencepost beatings..."

I can't believe we have a thread with hundreds of posts supporting a homophobic, warmongering murderer.

The phrase "he did not die by my hand" will likely work wonders here, since it's got a more physical meaning than "I didn't kill him," though I'd have to look at the spell description to confirm.

>>7031795
You must be new here.

>>7031801
This is a good one.

>>7031795

Entire series have been made revolving around a half-insane mass murdering moralfag protagonist. This one works because he pulled off a well-executed Xanatos gambit.

>>7031795
OP isn't homophobic from what I've gathered. He just hates the idea of being railroaded by a yaoi fangirl so he threw a massive monkey wrench into her perfect little world. The DM can learn from this experience and attempt to either do better next time, or adapt to the situation at hand and stop being such an enormous faghag.

If you want to take a huge risk, run before the trial/hearing with the excuse of wanting to report this to his nation.

>>7031795
>>a homophobic, warmongering murderer.

An IMAGINARY homophobic, warmongering murderer. Phoboing IMAGINARY homos to monger an IMAGINARY war.

I'm supporting a player who refuses to act out a role in his friend's fapfiction.

>>7031795
see
>>7028137
Can't be homophobic, because it's not gay to start with. Elves, remember?

Keep in mind that the ruling family probably won't be cool with you assassinating royalty, even if he had disgraced himself - except congratulations up front and a knife in the back.

ELVES ARE STUPID ONLY MANLY DWARFS ARE COOL THEY SHARE OUR BODY SHAPE AND ODORS ALSO!

Jesus fucking christ you guys are predictable.

>>7029243

World needs more patriots willing to do ANYTHING for their nation's honour. Well done, OP. That is admirable.

>>7032038
OOH AN ELF OR DORF THREAD TIME TO WHINE AND TROLL

Jesus fucking christ you guys are predictable.

>>7031918
Phoboing... I'll have to remember that.

Anyway, I doubt any decent person would do this, but the DM did set it up for humans to be 'violent, materialistic, greedy, duplicitous, etc. etc etc. scum bags'. He's playing his character, from what I can tell.

>>7031795
He is playing someone rased in a homobhobic society who do not like the ide his royalty is buttfucked by elves.

If that is not ok literaly nobody can play dark heresy , especialy priests or techpriests

>>7031795
The quality of a character is based on the creativity and thought put into playing the character, not the character's beliefs or values. If OP had just gone DERP SLASH SLASH and killed the prince he'd be another chaotic stupid character and we'd bitch about it. But instead he carefully set up a plot to affect the story in a meaningful way, and in a way that makes sense in the context of the world. Even if he's a villain, he's the good kind of villain.

>>7028072
That was a fucking heroic move. IF the elves somehow survive this conflict they will be stronger for it, if they don't, then those with the power to rule have done so. You've been nothing but a servant of order.

>>7032256
And evil, don't forget evil.

>>7032267
Not usually one for evil characters and campaigns, but here I find it particularly fitting.

This is the kind of DM that makes being exalted good really gay. I try to play my exalted good characters as ruthlessly and sternly as possible. No fucking around with evil, put them to the sword and live righteously. Or take the totally pacifist route and watch your enemies go red in the face trying to provoke you.

>>7032331
Way to fail at being exalted.

I'll say this, if I ran a campaign similar to this, I would not have been surprised at the outcome.
I'd have been more surprised if the PCs did try to patch things up, you want the players to "do the right thing" you need to give them a reason to, this scenario sounds like it had little or nothing to make the PCs want to help the elves.

>>7032338
Nah, that's pretty much how being Exalted Good works.

Anyways, OP's execution is top notch. I can only applaud him.

This could be awesome.

Take on a Merchant/War Profiteer kind of Character. Sell the King mercenaries, weapons, whatever you can from your exploits and do whatever you can to keep the War going. Make sure you convince the king to give you a large portion of the loot.

To everyone saying that he's a dick or ruining a plot, he had his right to do so as an RPG character. It's up to the DM to tell the story, and it's fairly obvious that her love story to STOP THE FIGHTAN is, in some regard, not going as she wants it too. It's up to her as a story teller to go through the consequences for this happening.

The kingdom is already convinced that the prince was killed. The Elves have motivation to suspect it. What they should be doing, realistically, is shoring up their defenses and preparing for War. Maybe she'll twist it, and have Bishie number 2 executed and his head presented to the human king. That could be interesting.

If this game is online, do you have your DM's contact information?

>>7032364
I'm sure in the DM's mind, the situation should have compelled them to immediately turn away from human civilization and embrace Elfdom. And that's terrible.

>>7032375
Exalted good requires rather more mercy than that poster seems to have shown.

>>7032399
Oh god. Do it. Kill the captain of the royal guard, and present it to the king as a diplomatic offering, and try to promote peace between men and elven kind. Be sure to convince the Elvish king to reward you for your efforts.

This would be an awesome "wat" moment that'd totally throw the DM off next session.

>>7032455
Only when mercy is warranted. It's called righteous vengeance and it's awesome. Part of being exalted good is holding yourself to higher ideals but also knowing when to get your hands dirty. A fist of Raziel doesn't show mercy to a demon and it's cultist followers unless he can be assured of their unconditional surrender and ernest penitence.

>>7032504
Yes... the previous poster seemed to be ignoring the possibility of redemption altogether.

>>7032535
No acually if you'll read the post. As ruthlessly and sternly AS POSSIBLE. You can't be exalted good if your not... exalted good. You see?

>>7032549
That's kind of like saying "I play my Sororitas as close to Chaos as possible." Ruthlessness cannot be a part of what the exalted do, and sternness... is closer to general demeanor, not alignment.

>>7032568
Yes it can. It's called not being a faggot. Jesus. Good doesn't mean NICE.

>>7032568
You can have a 'ruthless' exalted, in a 'repent or else' fashion. That's why there's an LG assassin class.

>>7032579
Trust me, I know.

However, it does mean being charitable, kind, and merciful.

>>7032579
To be fair, we're not talking about regular good. We're talking about Exalted Good, it's a valid statement. He's still wrong though. There's plenty of brutal shit in that book - ravages, etc.

>>7032597
"Repent or else" is something the BoED says is exactly what good characters aren't supposed to do. Forcing people to repent accomplishes nothing, and just forces them into a lie. You have to encourage them into repentance.

>>7032604
Of course. I always do those tings. I play my exalted good characters as good as possible, vow of poverty and such, but even is a shit that needs to be cleaned up.

>>7028072
>My DM had set up a long, involved plotline in her game, involving the diplomacy between two incredibly hostile nations, one human and one elven.

>My DM had set up a long, involved plotline in her game,

>plotline in her game,

>her game

>her

>Implying females are smart enough to be DM's

>>7032627
EVIL* not even. Stupid fingers today.

>>7032619
I don't mean sword point conversion. In any case, tell me, if Exalted Good is always like that, why does that same book contain the rules for Ravages?

>>7032655
Why does it contain the fists of Raziel? Why make righteous arse kickers if you have to be a faggot?

>>7032331

Exalted good is Jesus. You turn the other fucking cheek, knowing you're right.

You are not being exalted good.

>>7032568
Ruthlessness is a huge part of Exalted Good actually. There's a magical version of AIDS that also turns the victim into a rape monster and exterminates people of partially fiendish ancestry. It also features a good god killing a dude's children because a follower simply lost a fight.

>>7032419

No, why?

>>7032437

That was somewhat implied. Or at least that HUMANS ARE BAD. It's like the whole humans/beastmen thing in the later Fire Emblem games.

>>7032655
Ravages are weapons like any other. Personally, I believe good characters should be allowed to use poison, since I can't see why it's more evil than fireballing someone's face off. What the weapon is isn't important, it's what you use it for.

>>7032672
No its not. That's Apostle of Peace shit which I also do, and very well. You don't have to take that vow to be exalted good you noob.

If Elves are ever treated as anything other than simply another race in a giant fantasy world (complete with their own fucked up problems, culture, and dirty horrible secrets), they should be put to the sword.

Sparkle-Fairy Mary Sue Elves deserve nothing but death.

>>7032667
They fight to stop evil. They don't kill the helpless or the repentant.

>how is it that so few cultures just Raise their dead?

I wondered this once in a campaign when a king or something had been murdered (was about to be murdered?), the explanation I got is that few people (ie, PCs) have enough spiritual fortitude or whatever you want to call it to return from the dead, even with magical help. I dunno if that's in the books somewhere, but it's a decent excuse for it.

>>7032672
See >>7032655, >>7032667

There's plenty of support in the BoED for offensive Exalted Good. In fact, I'd say there's more for that then there is for Apostle of Peace and its ilk.

>>7032331
>ruthless
>exalted

You have no fucking clue what you're doing, do you?

>>7032700
Who said anything about killing the helpless? I'm talking about being badarse mother fucker not a cunt. We've got a communication issue here.

>>7032643
I'm suprised /tg/ took so long to pick up on this.

>>7032742

I think /tg/ just knew that it's only natural a female DM would turn it into a yaoifest.

>>7032739
Define "badarse" then.

For bonus evil points, OP, convince the bodyguard the prince was killed by people out to ensure war between humans and elves (hell, this is even true) but tell him that it was his fault. Get him to commit suicide, then use his suicide as proof that he was the one who killed the prince.

Then start raising the dead. I don't mean resurrection, but turning them into undead. Including the prince. Blame this on the elves. They'll be pretty sure the human kingdom did this, but the undead can prey on both indiscriminately.

Then you "solve" the undead problem (not destroying them, just hiding them out of sight) and gain great influence in the human kingdom, after which you can cement your power by having your undead servants killing anyone who would work against you.

>>7032742
I think most of us picked up on it but weren't retarded enough to say anything.

Yaoi fangirl DMs? Big deal, we hear about one of those in most bad DM threads.

>>7032742

sorry, just finished watching porn and joined the thread late, if I was here earlier it would have been 1st or 2nd post, no doubt

>>7032791
Kicking evil arse. Cutting demons up, fucking breaking skulls, taking the fight to evil not just waiting to right wrongs, stop wrongs from occurring by tearing out the hearts of evil beings. Being vicious and full of righteous rage. The nice shit can wait, you've got a smack down to deliver. You want to change your ways? Good, now get the fuck out of the way. That's what I mean. Giving evil something to shit their pants over.

>>7032801
Well, you certainly weren't missed.

>>7032832
Um, okay. How exactly does this make you different from an Ork who's happened to come across a bunch of Chaos cultists?

>>7032832
And then afterwards devouting yourself to healing and fostering the growth of good societies and all that softer stuff.

>>7032859
Because it's not a once off you fucking twit.

>>7032437

Yes, of course we should shun our entire race because the faggot race-traitor prince couldn't be assed to drag his sorry carcass back home to prevent a war.
Okay, so maybe this war isn't really "justified", so what? It's not like they're acctually killing people, it's just elves.
(This post has been brought to you in-character from average joe that has grown up with the kind of propaganda/general distaste for elves which seems prevalent.)
Now if the characters THEMSELVES had been outcasts or otherwise exempt from normal human predjudice, then we can start talking.

>>7028072
I say that's what a DM gets for setting up a plotline instead of individual character motives.
Makes for a far more dynamic and interesting campaign.

>>7032862
So, in short, you want to play someone extremely violent who happens to do good things in his spare time?

>>7032891
Oh, also, preemptive strikes against primarily evil cultures don't count as good evil.

>>7032891
More like someone extremely violent who does good things that are extremely violent.

Hey, stick with what you're good at.

>>7032911
*either, even.

Has this been archived yet?

>>7032911
>good evil
Make up your mind.

>>7032911
And what about absolutely evil cultures? This is DnD, such things exist.

>>7032923

Don't think so; care to do the honours?

>>7032947
Non-fiendish cultures that are always evil are extremely rare. Rare enough that I can't think of any off the top of my head, except maybe illithid septs.

>>7032969
Yeah, but the point still stands. Also, what about fiends that integrate themselves into society for the purpose of tempting mortals? Why not hunt those down? What about undead? Undead are irredeemable, and are clearly defined as evil. What about aberrations? Beholders are absolutely evil, as far as I'm aware. The list goes on and on.

>>7032947
>And what about [insert bad concept that is never used by adult gamers and is an embarrassment to even have in the system to begin with here]? This is DnD, such things exist.

>>7033018
Undead aren't irredeemable and they aren't universally evil. Try again.

>>7033019
If you were a MATURE GAMER who only plays MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE GAMERS LIKE YOURSELF, you wouldn't be playing DnD, and we wouldn't be discussing the BoED.

>>7032947
>>7033019

Because, goodness, those hobgoblins SURE don't believe they're going to be reborn as powerful devils in the afterlife, their culture rewards wanton bloodshed, and the difference between 'good' and 'evil' in D&D is that the former don't rape and skullfuck noncombatants.

I don't understand what's so wrong with playing a campaign in which the dm plays out her fantasies. That's what all dms do.

>>7033249
When I DM I dont, I keep porn out of the game, so do all the DMs from all the games I've been in.
The one instance where one of the character was raped it was just fade to black.

>>7033295
I really don't think that porn was involved here.

>>7033118
Do they? I hadn't heard of that before. And, of course, it's perfectly allowable to defend yourself against them, even destroy them if they keep on attacking you. But attacking them before they do anything to you isn't good.

>>7033295
I don't see what's wrong with sex either. Prudishness is the reason for OP's shenanigans ?

>>7032969

Drow, Duergar...

>>7033357
I dont have a problem with sex as such.
I just dont like to talk about sex with the people I game with.

>>7033357
Nah, just justification I think. DM's setting was more HUMANS ARE TOTALLY HOMOPHOBES AND ELVES ARE AWESOME SPARKLE FAGGOTS WHO DON'T HATE LIKE THAT so it served as a convenient excuse to fuck with her.

>>7033249
>>7033351

Using DnD as a way to shlick to yaoi is pretty much just masturbating in front of your friends. OP did the equivalent of punching the DM in the cunt, and I approve.

>>7033357
No, read thread.

>>7033435

The justification was that the war was REALLY GOOD for the Humans, and ending it wouldn't be. Plus, the Prince was an embarassment, his actions would bring shame to his family. In short, why seek peace?

OP, I really hope that someday you or somebody like you rules a country. Maybe real life will be as interesting as the crap you're pulling off.

>>7033435
Which in itself is a good reason to go the way OP did. Humans are homophobes? Well then I'd better roleplay that way.

Establishing the PCs difference of opinion from general humanity is a integral part of running this kind of game, from what I can see this was not done.
Hipefully the DM will learn from this.

>>7033512
*hopefully

>>7033416
That's prudish...
>>7033435
Apparently it wasn't since the prince and the pc were supposed to be normal people... But even then I don't get the reason why everyone agree that the only thing to do was to not play along.

>>7033559
They hate elves, pretty much.

>>7033559
>That's prudish...

No, it's called "not being creepy."

And the reason why is because the elves were a bunch of Victim Sues, who DESERVED to get assfucked by humanity.

>>7033502
So that people can have hot gay sex with elves ?

>>7033559
Oh If you knew the people I gamed with then you'd understand why I dont want to talk about sex with them.
I'm okay with talking about sex with my friends and women.

>>7033612
Thinking that talking about sex is creepy is being prude. Thinking that elves deserve to be assfucked by humanity for being described as tolerant and peaceful is metagaming and creepyness.

>>7033617
that I can understand... But here it's a 13 years old girl fantasies over the internet, so it shouldn't be a problem.

>>7033737
wait so shes actually 13?
Why is OP playing in a game run by a 13 year old girl?

>>7033759
Well I don't know, she may be older but the fantasies are that of a 13 years old.

>>7033844
Yaoi confuses the hell out of me.
I knew this girl back at college and she was a typical man hating dyke (she'd often go on rants about how men will be obselete once cloning technology is perfected, got kinda pissed off when I pointed out that women would be obselete too)
But she wouldn't shut up about how much she loved Yaoi.

>>7033737
>Thinking that talking about sex is creepy is being prude.

It is when you bring that shit to the game table.

Also, you're not getting it. The Human country benefits from slaughtering the elves, OP is a patriot for continuing this rather than indulging the DM.

>>7033890
Actually, that is pretty odd. I kind of assume girls like it for the same reasons some guys like yuri. Its porn involving two members of the opposite gender, of course some people will love it. But a lesbain who is a yaoi fan?

Bumping for win!