go Metalican hive, Gunslinger. inquisitors handbook. i suggest autopistols. much better than laspistols. but, if you can get ahold of them, carnodons are king.

i think to do that you need to be an assassin, and HAVE to be a hiver. otherwise, youll be waiting a very long time to get all your two weapon fighting feats, but the best way to go about that is probably going nobleborn scum or assassin. but id rather go metalican any day.

I actually rolled up Noble Scum for this, and was considering a pair of Duelling Las, and getting them customised to have a larger ammo capacity.

dualing las? nah, you dont want that. seriously, try Irontalons if youre in it for tearing, they can have manstoppers too.

>>6672265
The Duelling Las was all for style - a brace of ornate/antique duelling guns seemed to fit the idea.

>>6672288

yeah, but youre looking at customizing it, which would probably be X10 for best quality just to get it to a point where you can beg your dm to let you put a larger ammo clip in it.

>>6672298
4D10 (pick best 2)+8, Pen 8 with a chance of milking another 4D10 is fairly good, even having to reload every turn.

That being said, the Hecuter Autopistol seems nice.

>>6672327


uh...where are you getting pen 8 from? each shot has to be delivered separately because toughness and armor soak both shots. you cant add the pen or damage together.

as for sidearms

i like the carnadon, more than any of the others. but another nice piece is the Talon Mk 3.

however if you skim over to the void equipment, youll see the irontalon. you want class theres your man.

s/2/5 1d10+2 damage, reliable and tearing pen 3 with manstoppers

i know, it doesnt have the +4 of a dueling las but you get alot more shots and with a fire selecter you can increase your ammo X3 per gun.

>>6672327
forgot to mention pistols dont get the extra 2d10 damage, only basic weapons.

>>6672399
Wait, what?

That's bullshit.

What's the point of having Accurate pistols then?

That sucks so hard.

Oh well, i'll go with the Hecuters then.

>>6672445

irontalon > hecuter hard. also, carnadon is better. hecuters cute, but theres better out there for less.

So, Irontalons it is then. Manstoppers make it PEN3, yes?

Also, melee weapon: Lathe Blade?

>>6672756

lol, nah, you can afford 2 irontalons as a nobleborn assassin easy.

>>6672487
>www WHVTHTFHtalk com ( replace "WHVTHTFH" w/)
These are getting better and better.

>>6672775
Yeah, but what about a melee weapon?

To narrow it down, i'm getting 2500xp to make the character from.

>>6672445
>>What's the point of having Accurate pistols then?
+10% to hit?

Why is Jeff Hardy having a laser fight in space OP?

>>6672795
"Yay! I can hit him easier now! Too fucking bad pistols do fuckall damage so I can't get through the armour!"

>>6672805
What did you think twin shot was for? Twice the damage, armour's only subtracted once. Plus this is Dark Heresy for fuck's sake, if you come up against something in more than 3-4 points of armour your GM is Doing It Wrong; most of your foes will be cultists in flak, or daemons and predatory xenos with no armour.

>>6672213'

IIRC the metallican gunslinger alternate rank gets most/all of them, and you can take that as your first rank if you want.

>>6672788
dude you dont need melee. you just need to dodge. you can fire those fuckers in close combat.

>>6672795

yes but no noble born you have to be a hiver. id rather be a metalican hiver than a noble born any day.
dual shot you mean?>>6672846


yeah pretty much

>>6672824


semi autos better

>>6672805

Metallican Gunslinger. It's fucking epic. Take all the shooty shooty death talents. Pair of silenced hecuters with manstoppers, laser sights. Or pair of Carnodons, laser sights. Wreak Havoc.

>>6672756
>>6672483
You guys forget that the CUSTOM AMMUNITION of the irontalon gives it the tearing, plus makes it primitive? You can load manstoppers, but you'll lose the tearing.

So it's an awesome gun still in my opinion, but you gotta chose the right ammo for situation.

If your GM will allow Rogue Trader materials, there's actually a specially designed duelling pistol in the weapon section (Belasco duelling pistol, or something similar). Only one shot per pistol, but hits hard and with pretty good penetration.

A tip for all gunslingers; invest in Acrobatics. Acrobatic Disengage is a half action, which means you can flourish yourself back say, oh, about 3 meters and then blast someone at point blank. If you fail you'll provoke a free attack, but the action still only takes up 1/2 your turn. Bonus points if you've got the gun with a one-round shotgun as an attachment.

>>6672445
The +10 bonus to hit on any aimed action? Combine it with a Red Dot Laser Sight and you've got a supremely accurate weapon.

Hey tg, how good are autocannons?

>>6674038
I'm pretty sure there's a dueling laspistol in Inquisitor's Handbook, under the Hive Worlds section.

The Carnodon is a great gun, as is the Hecuter. Anything with a fire selector is fairly nice (I'm partial to the Panoptic, but boy did I have to work to get it).

>>6675142
Fire selectors can be attached to pretty much anything.

Now I wish I had suspensors from Rogue Trader..

>>6675201
Yeah, but with our GM it's easier to get a gun that comes with a FS standard as opposed to finding the FS alone and an NPC with the Trade (Armorer) test to attach it.

>>6675223
Fair enough. That shit isn't easy to find.

Now will someone discuss autocannons?

>>6675234
They're heavy weapons.

It can throw out 5 shots on full auto. Each shot does 4d10+5 damage with Pen 4.

Use against man-sized targets is overkill/comical/exceedingly awesome.

>>6675255
Hydra Batteries have 4 long barreled (meaning higher velocity) autocannons belt fed on a gimbal mount.
overkill/comical/exceedingly awesome^4

>>6675234
Autocannons are pretty much godmode when it comes to heavy weapons.

They beat missiles due to rate of fire.
They beat assault cannons because jamming.
They beat plasma cannons because of overheat and recharge.
They beat heavy bolters due to ammo being findable.
They do close to multimelta-level damage BUT with significant range and RoF bonuses (multimelta 4d10+12 but 1 shot, autocannon 4d10+5 but 1/2/5 shots).

Also, "half range" for an autocannon is like 150m, so there's no reason you should NOT be getting +10 to hit automatically in the average engagement.

>>6675286
An autocannon is the weapon of choice when subtlety goes out the window, the carapace goes on and the threat level spikes to Terminus.

Unfortunately it's not really a heavy weapon that can pass for anything but military/Inquisition grade firepower. The heavy stubber can feasibly be acquired by gangers and other criminal heavies, so you can bring the pain with that while also maintaining your cover IDs.

>>6675312

Oh Dark Heresy, the only game where your COVER STORY is "I'm a monstrously well armed gangster."

>>6675360
"Oh, like YOU'VE never seen a guy toting around a .50 HMG before!"

"He's right boss, you could trade two nights with a good joygirl for one a' those."

>>6675286
Autocannon.

Telescopic sight.

Half action aim followed by single shot.

Headshots at 900m.

Come to think of it, what ammo do autocannons use?

Never found a satisfactory answer for that.

>>6676169

Curious about that too. Any ammo swaps for them?

>>6676169
>>6676169

Technically bullets, since an autocannon is just a scaled up heavy stubber.

I usually charge 5 thrones a shell, and give the players an option of either picking up AP shells at 10 thrones a pop that add 3 ap, or HE shells at 10 a pop and do explosive damage.

Also, theoretically, a best quality Assault Cannon would be probably the best ranged weapon in DH, I think.

Slap on a Suspensor, Targeter and maybe duplus ammo clips... and you're done.

Though the expense..

>>6676499


...what

>>6676499

You forgot the suppressor, silent minigun would be awesome. It would sound like a typewriter and people would be near silently cut in half.

>>6676608

...With that, I wonder why can't marines in power armor wield assault cannons.

If my feral world guardsman can, why not Sgt Whoever?

Ah, the vagaries of DH. Unless they're going to claim that the assault cannons are different sizes as well..

>>6672445
Hecuters the way to go, cheap and effective.

>>6676625

Unless sgt whoever has a combined toughness and strength bonus of 9, then he cant. And even then he can't carry anything else. so he's going into combat naked and with only one magazine of ammunition.

>>6672385
The Iron Talon counts as a Primtive weapon according to the latest FAQ, and can't have Manstopper rounds.

>>6676647
Stats for Brother-Sgt Agamorr (space marine w/ thunder hammer) give him a combined S/T bonus of EIGHTEEN.

No problem there.

>>6676647
Hey WW, any room in your games of DH?

If I may, my Hiver Assassin DESTROYs with his Armsmen 10 Stub autos (1d10+ 5 (migSty shot, bitches) Pen 0 (can use manstops) Clip 13 Rng 35), and cost the same as a normal stub auto, and its in the Hive World section of the Inquisitor's Guide

>>6676689
>>6676689
Twin autocanons.
You don't NEED the reloads.

>>6677147

Yes, well, that doesn't last too long on Full Auto.

>>6677338
As if it needed to...

>>6677370

Not much point in weapons that last a single encounter.

Unless, of course, you get someone else to be your ammo mule..

>>6677092

Hiver assassin? Metallican Hive?

So, the Primitive shit with the Irontalon just made it DO NOT WANT.

Hecuters it is then.

If you're playing a sniper, is it a bit better to stick with a hunting rifle, or move to the Long-Las?

I know you can put in a 1 shot high charge into the Long-Las, but reading it over it didn't seem that impressive.

Get an infantry lamp pack from the Warzone gear section of the Inquisitor's handbook.

Turn it on, and you have a twin-linked lasgun

>>6677647
Long las, with a red dot and hotshot power pack. It is very good.

>>6677647
Neither, really. Get an autogun.

>>6677611
Hecuters are definitely the way to go. Just remember that they don't have natural Penetration anymore.

>>6677647
That depends. I don't know if a Long-Las can have a scilencer put on it. And manstoppers in your rifle is just as good as a hot-shot, but you wouldn't have to imedietly reload.

I say the best Rifle you can find. Manstoppers, Red-dot sight, scilencer and you are golden.

For a sniper Rifle/Long-las > Autogun.

Accurate weapons get an extra 1d10 for every 2 successes up to an extra 2d10. They also give a +10 to shots with an aim.

So, half action aim,Red-dot,Accruate wep= +30
If you take a full action to aim if you are lone wolf sniping like an assassination attempt that is +40 right there. And you likely have 40 or 50 BS if you are a sniper.

So best case you're hitting someone with 3d10+5, and if you're high level you're hitting them where ever you want.

>>6677750

Psst. Dodge.

>>6677750
3d10+4, Pen 4, roll twice and pick the best.

Longlases can be pretty neat.

I wonder why everyone in this thread ignored the awesome "noble duelist" concept and instead recommended guns and builds that are better mechanically.

>>6677909

Mainly because it's no fun having a noble pistol duelist who plain sucks when it comes to shooty time.

>>6677791
You can dodge full auto as well.

>>6677791
PSST You can't dodge being shot in the back of the head while you are sitting in your bed room reading and have no idea someone is about to cap your ass.

>>6677972
The same with an autogun, actually.

The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer says the Longlas has a built in flash suppressor, so my DM ruled that it has a silencer.

See if you can save up 2k thrones and spend months on end looking for a Nomad Hunting rifle from the DH Acolyte's handbook.

250m Range. 1d10+5 Reliable, Accurate, Penatration 3. I think ammo stacks with the weapon. So with manstoppers that is 6 Pen, with all of the sexy Accuracy, and nearly twice the range.

With a silencer you could pick a spot and sit far back from a fight giving support. And never be in any danger.

I've never had a Dark Heresy game that didn't take place inside a hive.

Snipers are worthless, shotguns and autopistols are where it is at.

>>6678021
>And never be in any danger.
You've got the wrong mindset for playing DH my friend.

>>6678033
No sounds like your DM(s) are boring as shit.

>>6678046
Why because some people try to play smart, or sneaky, instead of guns blazing through 800 Cultists?

>>6678115
You should always be in some danger, to keep you on your toes - not necessarily danger that the cultist you've just nailed to the wall at a hundred meters with your silenced, flash-suppressed weapon will manage to shoot you, but other dangers.

Generally, things like shooting from the balcony comes with a risk of being flanked, or (depending on how you do it) a risk of falling off something, a risk of something falling on you, etc.

>>6678105
Yes, see, that was the idea.

Hah! I don't care what the "best" weapon is really. He's just decent with Rifles and he enjoys hunting and using them.

Obviously I don't want him to turn out useless, but I just want to make him a dead-eye. But thanks for the advice.

>>6677963
>>6677972

Dodging a full auto only dodges one shot per degree of success. In other words, you need an equal or greater degree of success to dodge every shot.

You just need a single degree of success to dodge a sniper shot.

>>6678235
Yeah, run around full auto-spray everything. I hope your dm lets you run out of ammo some time.

I find some don't bother to keep track of ammo or people reloading.

In addition, have fun carting around several dozen kilograms worth of ammo.

>>6678235
You do, however, have to know the shot's coming, and also not have used up your reaction for the round. The average human mook is only looking at a 15% chance to dodge a single attack per round.

If I were adjudicating such a thing, as well, I'd probably rule that attempting to dodge an aimed shot from an accurate weapon would work similarly to dodging semi/full auto fire - a successful dodge, and additional degrees of success, negating bonus damage dice before negating the weapon's base damage. After all, it's much harder to dodge shots that are more accurate, but you could at least avoid having it hit that critical weak point the shooter was aiming for, taking less effective damage as a result.

>>6678317
>>6678698

A full clip only weighs 10% of the weapon's weight. Also, a burst of full auto is like, what, 6 shots out of 30. Takes quite a bit to burn through 300 shots.

Regardless of house rules, I find it quite fitting that snipers are weaker as compared to automatic guns. After all, this is 40k, where HtH actually is very much viable.

>>6678905
Depends on the gun. Autoguns shoot 10 at a time.

>>6678905
Man, you're right. I myself charge into combat with my mono entrenching tool.

Damn, I've been watching too many old attitude era WWF vids. Is it just me or is it an uncanny resemblance?

>>6678932
MAGGOTS

>>6679028

guess what era wrestling was in when OP character was created

>>6679028
. . .

BRB buying CHRIS JERICHO IN SPACE right the fuck now.


My rogue trader conversion list just looks fucking awesome.

>>6679028
Well I know how I'm running my Arch-Militant now.

if he was your Inquisitor, that would suck

>>6679118

no chance, no chance in hell you've got

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND

HE IS CALLED KAL JERICHO

AND HE LOOKS LIKE CHRIS JERICHO

AND I ONLY MADE THE CONNECTION NOW


NECROMUNDA CONFIRMED FOR BEST GAME EVER.

How likely is it to create your own rifle? Has anyone really done much of the Crafting in DH? Is it pretty much "whatever your DM will let you get away with?"

I can't find much on it.

>>6679087
Running along this vein, what was the Arbitrator Martial Art called? Was it in the Inquisitor's Handbook or something like that?
Could make for good wrestling style combat, I wanna dropkick Orks and lionsault helpless pirate lords.

>>6679212
DH/RT crafting sucks balls, you can pretty much only make shit that all ready exists, unless your GM is really kick ass.

Even then if you make something unique, it could be considered tech heresy or some shit I dunno.

>>6679398
Seconding thing, DO NOT waste exp on crafting in RT/DH.

>>6679448
I don't think it uses EXP, just time and thrones and materials.


Quick, hire several hundred thousand artisans and build yourself a ship.

>>6679216
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/6005563/

DH unarmed combat.

>>6679212
Crafting is covered mostly in the Inquisitor's Handbook. If you haven't gotten it (pdf or paper versions), get it. It's pretty much essential for a good game.

And no, crafting doesn't use XP, just thrones and time. And characteristic tests. Best used if you've got a team of supporting craftsmen.

>>6679526
You have to use XP to get the crafting skills in the first place, and for many carees that means an epic buy outside of your trees.

>>6679586
Like I said, it's best if you've got a team of craftsmen.

Like maybe a horde of tech-priests. Or tech-dorfs.

>>6679526
>DH Unarmed combat

Holy shit that is awesome. Next time I get a group together, I am definitely going to try to persuade my DM to use those rules, and then I'll roll up a brawler.

>>6679636
So you have a couple of tech priests, and an arms crafter working together with an artist, you could make a deadly, customized weapon as long as you have the time and thrones for it?

>>6676892

Yes

>>6679727

Pretty much, yes. You might also want to secure tools of quality, like a forge world's crafting facilities. Customise that weapon while you're at it!

>>6679727
>>6679790
Sounds cool. I'll have to try something along these lines. Bet it will need me to be swimming in thrones tho.

>>6679844
It will require you to be able to swim in money, yes.

And your dive must score at least a 7.5 on the McDuck scale.

>>6679858
Just a 7.5 I heard the chart tops at like 10,000. I mean he literally has more money than can fit in the universe.

( Literally someone did the math.)

>>6679922
Well, I meant to type 8.5. The McDuck scale, as applied to moneydives, goes up to 10.

>>6679844

That's the point of playing Noble Born, really.

More thrones than you know what to do with.

...Still can't afford a Best Quality Assault Cannon, though.

>>6679976
Just sit around for a couple of months, get money. Either a slow investigation, or shoot a teammate in the foot and wait for them to recover.

>>6679976
Are there any downsides to being able to swim in your private funds?

Has anyone got stories of awesome crafting in DH or RT?

I've been thinking of taking a part from Heretic's weapons as I kill them, if it looks good or better quality, until I have a load of them.

Eventually make a weapon from bits here and there of people I've defeated.

>>6679986

Sadly, I can't. DM would respond with the Vendetta rule and we'd all be up to our asses in assassins or worse.

Oh well, autocannon's good enough for me.


>>6680032

Drowning.

>>6680075
Have fun with your best quality daemon possessed gun.

>>6680094
Oh thats likely true, a pretty easy target I guess.

So whats a proactive way of doing it? What mateials are considered "holy" in 40k?

Built the gun normally, then add silver decorations for each big scary demon I manage to slay?

>>6680032
There are only upsides. Having metal constantly grinding agianst your flesh increases your natural toughness. And allows you to breath solid objects, once you've adapted.

Yes. You can breath rocks.

>>6680126

You might want to have it consecrated, at the very least. Even then psychic taint might linger, and the next time Perils of the Warp happens..

It's probably better to have your sagas engraved upon the weapon. Then consecrate it and fill it with holy ammunition. Costs a ton (again), though.

>>6680156

I wish I could claim that as a valid reason for getting Resistance (Impact Damage) for free.

Blessed silver casing bolter rounds fired from a blessed Bolter held by a blessed gun while you read blessed texts from a magical data slate. ( That has been blessed.)

>>6680423

Remember your blessed powerfist as well.

Also blessed powerarmor, blessed bolter sights and blessed loot sack.

>>6680443
Don't forget to wear your blessed undergarments too. And eat a blessed sandwich before you go!

>>6677534
Hell no. The advantages did't outweigh at the time. Straight up Hiver from Scintilla. His heavy kit is Nomad (best quality, from an Inquisitor) Autocarbin, dual Armsmen 10s, several knives, a Good quality mono sword, Good quality mesh Hat ( gunslinger fedora style) Flack Greatcoat, and mirker's Grieves, with crazy Ag and BS

>>6680075
My party's techpreist got a best quality las GUN mechadendrite after I cut a bitch in two, by jumping down a 15 meter elevator shaft and Surviving. He just recently finished reparing it and got it put on

>>6682342
Nice. You know I wish there was some way to mix a "mini-game"-esque game of skill into table tops, when it comes to certain things specially crafting.

>>6680443
Get a second priest to bless the first priest while he blesses.

>>6682374
Took the tech priest 3 months worth of techuse and trade(armorer) rolls though, so it was between assignments

JHump hurt though...3 Toughness and 13 Wound GONE, but I survived like a badass AND got a fate point. was good game.

>>6682621
Didn't lose T, ment the damage soak was used UP. DM shat himself wen I told him I survived WITHOUT catfall

>>6682342

Not that the combat mechadendrite is particularly useful in the first place..

Belasco dueling pistols from Rogue Trader, with Hot-shot

1d1o+6, pen 4, accurate & tearing, ammo: 1

>>6684514
Well, instead of a compact laspistol, its a full on pistol. And it would have worked better if it bloody hit

>>6684825

Precisely the problem: ammo of 1.

It's hit or crap. Don't expect to be killing Eldar with Dodges of 50+ anytime soon, bro.

@Crafting:

It's only a -10 difficulty to non-primitive weapons. With a high skill, decent workshop and eager helpers, it's damn easy.

>>6685198

Yup. But woe to you if you happen to be a Guardsman or a combat-oriented acolyte.

>>6685636
Obviously you don't craft then - leave it for the techpriest.

>>6679691
There are two new talents in Rouge Trader for Unarmed Combat; Unarmed Warrior and Unarmed Master.

Unarmed Warrior has WS and Ag 35 as prerequisites and makes your fists do 1d10-3+SB damage and don't count as unarmed when engaging someone with a melee weapon.

Unarmed Master has prerequisites of Unarmed Warrior, WS 45 and Ag 40. Your attacks do 1d10+SB damage, don't count as Unarmed and no longer have the primitive quality.

So with that last talent your hands (and feet) become as lethal as a swords.

>>6685939

You still can't parry worth a damn, and it's not particularly interesting. The house rules I mentioned earlier probably rock more (though they are kinda illogical.)

>>6685962
Pretty sure you can parry since you no longer count as Unarmed. You just don't get the Balanced bonus to it.

Really?

>>6686781
Upon review it doesn't say that Unarmed characters can't parry, just that "a character wielding a weapon capable of parrying" can do so. Thus I'd say if a character doesn't count as Unarmed then he must count as Armed and be able to Parry. It's open to interpretation, of course, but I'd say that from Unarmed Warrior and onwards you've had some formalised martial arts training (or just gotten really, really good at fighting with your fists) and have learned how turn aside blows without getting your arm cut off.