I probably would if I had a group to play it with :<

sage for viral marketing

>I am playing a rootwalker pirate
How come I'm imagining a tree-person standing on a ship with bed sheets tied to its arms saying "I'm a mast!" in an enthusiastic voice?

Some of us do, yes. If I were going to run regular, not quasi-historical fantasy, I would use FantasyCraft. Where 3.0 was a relief from 2e AD&D, FC has me actually excited about d20. It dropped everything I didn't like and added only things I like.

But of course, as the new kid in the classroom, all the social groups - 3aboos*, 4rries*, and Pathfailures* - shun it with derision.

* Used for semi-satirical intent. They're stupid terms.

>>6618922
Actually, I run Pathfinder, and approve of FC.

>>6618921
I must now do this, because it is awesome!

I love the take on many classes. I mean, giving assassins abilities that make sense and that work excellently out of combat is just awesome. You can play a dragon, giant or ent. Also, mounted combat core class, fuck yes!

>>6618889

FC is great. Issues you should be aware of.

1. Size. Too easy to get to be huge sized. DM has to be prepared for fucked up party size balance if allowing anything.

2. Grapple. It is broken. Hard. It's worse than 3.5e grapple. The only thing that can oppose a grapple check, IS ANOTHER GRAPPLE. The only thing you can do in a grapple, is roll another grapple check. Regular moves, like the club one, take advantage of the size differences so easily. Also you can grapple two people. Wrestling feat tree means anyone you grapple will die.

3. Organization is shit. They mention numerous things once then don't even mention them again. Things are in weird ass places too.

>>6618889

It's so-so. I'm not a big fan of it, but this isn't about it's quality. FC simply doesn't do it for me.

Play a drake beast master
advicegoblin.jpeg
It's a dragon riding a dragon

>>6618970
>The only thing that can oppose a grapple check, IS ANOTHER GRAPPLE. The only thing you can do in a grapple, is roll another grapple check.
So FC is all pro-wrestling, all the time?

>>6619000
FUCK YEAR

>>6619030
Seeing as there are actually wrestling feats that give you the ability to clothes line and pile drive, yes.

>>6619030
Nope, it's lucha libre. That's a fine distinction.

>>6619030
ROOTWALKER LUCHADOR. DO IT.

Oh, did someone come back from vacation?

>>6619055
Which would be awesome, except for one issue.

The ability to COUP DE GRACE a pinned opponent. Make a drake wrestler with the HUEG feats/powers, and then wrestling feats. He pins/kills any guy he wants per round, less you set up massive opponents to fight.

>>6619074
YOU MUST TAKE THE SIZE FEAT. BE HUGE. BODYSLAM FLESHBEINGS.

>>6618970
>3

That's actually my biggest complaint with FC; I hear so much about it being a great system, but the book is actually effort to work with, and that just turns me right off. Deciphering the book should not be an obstacle to running a game. You can say whatever else you like about Pathfinder's content, but it is fantastically well laid out. If only there was some kind of bastard hybrid of the two.

>>6619075
>Wait, these people like discussing something that I don't like! Hell, they're talking about this thing when it's almost never talked about at all! Screw tolerance, SAGE!

did anyone say hybrid? cause I think somebody said hybrid!

>>6619079
Usually not too much better unless you're up against the BBEG. Most regular dudes go down in one or two good hits.

>>6619088

I agree. I believe that if there is one thing WotC has that most indie developers need to fucking figure out and get in line with, is making their books not suck. I don't care HOW fantastic your system is, if it take me 12 hours to make a character, or even how to figure out how to make one, since it's pdf only, and that makes it much harder to flip pages back and forth, it makes me believe the developers didn't care.

tl;dr Make your books well organized.

>>6619105

Which is even WORSE! BBEG has to A. be a challange for mr. hueg wrestler, which means if it comes to grappling, and it will for a hueg grapple focused guy, the rest of the party has to sit out, since you don't attack into the grapple.

Don't give me that 'but they can fight off the BBEG's minions'. That's BULLSHIT and you know it. How would you like it if you got to mess around killing bullshit little minions when the real fight is happening between two huge guys? Yeah, like you are worthless, which you are, since mr. Wrestler can pin you and kill you in 2 rounds easy.

>>6619088
If you read it front to back and have a decent memory, it's not too bad. Just come to the first mention of bleeding, go "Oh cool, they incorporate that, I wonder how they do it?" and a while later in the combat section, "Oh, that's pretty easy." I never really got this kind of complaint, it's like reading a novel and complaining that it didn't reference its own previous pages to show where a plot twist makes sense. But, that's just my style with a new system, I know a few people who like to bounce from section to section constantly the first time they open the motherfucker. Usually end up explaining shit to them in the end.

>>6619124
DM FIAT: BBEGs are immune to Coup De Grace.

>>6619132

Yeah. That will totally go over well with mr. wrestler pc. Nuke his whole build? awesome.... nope, won't rage at all when EVERY BBEG makes his shit useless.

I want to be a dragon that dual wields cannons.

>>6619124
this is why you never make the BBEG one guy you fucking moron, no matter what the BBEG is it will never be a challenge if its limited in the most important thing of all, the currency of actions.

Terrible. It's complicated as everliving fuck, to the point of making game a series of page lookups.

It has some good ideas. I'm not crazy about it though; just like Pathfinder, at the end of the day it will only ever be a bunch of wacky house rules for DnD. It never tries to be much more than that, and ultimately its held back by it.

>>6619161

Ok, so the BBEG is a set of triplets? Let's see how this will go.

Round 1 Wrestler pins BBEG1
Round 2 Wrestler kills BBEG1
Round 3 Wrestler pins BBEG2
Round 4 Wrestler kills BBEG2
Round 5 Wrestler pins BBEG3
Round 6 Wrestler kills BBEG3

You seeing a pattern here? The best the other PC's can do is stall, or kill one of the BBEG's.

>>6619165
It does seem daunting because its world homebrewing chapter asks you a bunch of questions that you are by no means required to answer, but helps an assload with making a detailed setting. After you've read the motherfucker, it takes five-ten minutes to lay out everything but NPCs and a fucking map, unless you want to make yourself a whole fuckhuge pantheon of gods. The shit's only as hard as you make it.

>>6619079
>Drake wrestler
I don't care how much it breaks the game, that shit is FUCKING AWESOME!

rolled 30580 = 30580

the currency of actions

my biggest complaint of 3.x and derivitives, at least they actually thought about it in 4th edition

>>6619195
"Hey, Lucha-boy, knock that shit off. It's getting repetitive, mix it up. You can't possibly be having fun with these simpleminded shenanigans, and if you are, you're in the wrong group."

>>6619213

Awesome that you can make it? FUCK YES!

Awesome that fucks everything up? FUCK NO!

>>6619235

"LOLOL! I'm a wrestler! That's what I do."

Also, might as well say:

"Hey soldier boy. Stop hitting things with your sword. It's getting repetitive, mix it up. You can't possibly be having fun with these simpleminded shenanigans, and if you are, you're in the wrong group."

"Hey, wizard-boy, knock that shit off. Stop casting all those spells. It's getting repetitive, mix it up. You can't possibly be having fun with these simpleminded shenanigans, and if you are, you're in the wrong group."

>>6619236

Sums up 3/4 of the issues with FC pretty damn succinctly.

>>6619195
Immunity to Coup De Grace can be gained in two feats.

>>6619251

The DM can say his BBEG shoots eye lazers if he wants it. Rules are there for the DM to break. Doesn't mean it's not annoying or bullshit when every one of them is immune.

>>6619248
No, retard. Pin-coup ability isn't even gained until Wrestling Mastery. There's a shitload of other things you can do with grapple that aren't LOLIKILLU. Only the munchkiniest faggots would do that shit EVERY ROUND and consider it fun.

Just like the Soldier will not use the same trick EVERY ROUND and the Mage will not use the same spell EVERY ROUND.

Can you be more of a fuckwad? I submit that you cannot.

>>6619268

...

Clearly you have not played with many people. Is it munchkin? Fuck yes! But PC's tend to do the thing that benefits them the most, especially when combat is as deadly as it is in FC?

Why do you think that WotC made at-will/encounter/daily powers? EXACTLY because PC's tend to do the most effective thing over and over and over again. That can change from situation to situation, but I don't fucking blame them!

Look at the FC rules on Vit points. Tell me you wouldn't do the most effective thing to end combat as quickly as possible if you can die that easily?

>>6619256
Also, imagine it in the game. You've got two players. One of them is a guy who has spotted that wrestlers can kill anything, another is a guy who's doing stuff differently.

GM: "Okay, wrestler. Your go."
Wrestler: "I WRESTLE EET"
GM: "Okay, you're grappling an opponent. What about you?"
Other Player: "I'll do this, this and this, resulting in killing three minions."
GM: "Okay. Wrestler?"
Wrestler: "I PIN EET!"
GM: "Okay, you're pinning an opponent. What about you?"
Other Player: "Think I will kill another two mooks."
GM: "Wrestler?"
Wrestler: "COUP DE GRACE! COUP DE GRACE!"
GM: "Aaand... Yeah, you've done enough damage to kill it. What about you?"
Other Player: "I'll finish off the last mook."
Wrestler: "HAHAH YOU SUCK I'M ABLE TO AUTO-KILL SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO RELY ON DAMAGE YOU PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT"
Other Player: "But, dude, I killed like six times what you di--"
Wrestler: "YOU SUUUCK YOU SUUUCK"
Other Player: "Fuck it, I'm gone."

>>6619268

So what other broken thing shall we do because nobody can beat our grapple? Fly up 100feet and drop the motherfucker? Use him as a club to deal almost weapon damage to BOTH HIM AND AN ENEMY? Grapple a second guy, taking them both out of the fight?

There are plenty of other things you can do, but the point is that once that guy grapples someone, he IS effectively dead.

>>6619294
>Clearly, you do not play with munchkin faggots for more than a single game if they persist their munchkin faggotry.
You are correct sir, I do not allow them in my group if they seem hell-bent on ruining the experience for everyone. I think that's a pretty good yardstick for anyone to determine who to have in their gaming group or not.

Sure, you luchador can wrestle anything.

But the courtier can rouse a small army of fanatics to fight for him and the keeper can arm them with dragonslaying arbalests.

Your move.

>>6619130
Excepting the fact that Fantasy Craft is a rulebook; and thus technically a textbook. The novel comparison doesn't make much sense.

You wouldn't read a textbook on science, and expect to be constantly referencing later pages to understand the first few chapters would you? At the very least the book needs WotC style sidebars explaining terms, or better yet page references, a decent index, some kind of 'If you're new to the system' section, and a decent layout.

I like the look of the system, I like the look of the flexibility, I like the fact it's getting rave reviews; but I don't want to have to read the entire rule book backwards just to have to be able to play it.

>>6619333

Grapple the courtier. Dare anyone to fire into the grapple.

>>6619362
Right, because the courtier's stupid enough to be in grappling range of you.

>>6619369

You think he/she can hide? Works just as well for the keeper. The drake
A. has no reason to stick around if the keeper/courtesan/high level leader isn't there.
B. Can fly really fast, and has reach.

>>6619296
That really looks more like a sample of player attitude making a game less fun than ability.

>>6619296

You build a character to do things. This guy want's to wrestle things. Why would you expect someone to NOT wrestle things when he is built around it? Should the mage go wack something with his staff sometimes instead of casting spells?

Where's the line?

>>6619375
So, the drake flies towards the courtier and keeper, who are at the back.

Okay, your movement's done.

ARCHERS, FIRE

>>6619403

Wat? did we forget that flight is 3 dimensions? The archers have a range of a few hundred feet? Pfffft, that's cake. You fly UP and OVER. Not just over.... Geez.

>>6619398
My point is, that your version of wrestling where you revolve around CDGing pinned shit is hideously ineffective when it comes to fighting, you know, more than one thing.

Now, using your wrestling in other ways, it's slightly more effective. My point is, that Pin+Coup De Grace is ineffective against more situations and can easily be rendered useless.

>>6619420

Well clearly. The pin+CDG ability is shit against lots of mooks. Unfortunately, there's lots of other stuff you get in that feat tree that's horrible. The CDG thing emphasizes how powerful the feats are, but in general, grappling is unstoppable. Once you are grabbed, you are not going to escape. Also he can swing you like a club and kill both you and the other mook.

Also he can pick up a house/boulder/tree and start dropping it.

FC is awesome, but has some of the most idiotic abilities ever.

The thief's 'I'lll Cut ya!' makes someone BLEED whenever you taunt them. I mean WTF

You know, this thread has sold me on Fantasy Craft. When the only real complaint stems from having munchkin faggot players, I know I'm safe, because my group isn't full of assholes.

Well, there was the poor layout issue too, but I can cope.

>>6619498
"Your momma's so fat, a plane flew into her legs 'cause it thought she were the twin towers!"
"OH GOD MY EARS ARE BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDING"

>>6619502

Yeah. Joel said that once too.... Joel said he could handle a shitty layout and some disorganization....

Poor Joel.....

>>6619520

I thought that no serious product could be as poorly put together as L5R books. I was wrong.

>>6619517
Hey, in a game with dragon luchadors and pirate trees, that actually makes sense. Except maybe for the WTC/plane reference.

So, does FC have a setting included or is it all rules?

>>6619532
With the right build you can actually deal a lot of damage by taunting - your entire combat capabilities could be shouting at someone until he dies.

>>6619498
>The thief's 'I'lll Cut ya!' makes someone BLEED whenever you taunt them. I mean WTF
FROM THE TEXT:
I’ll Cut You!: At Level 10, each time you successfully
Anticipate, Disarm, Distract, Feint, Taunt, or Tire an adjacent opponent, he must also make a Refex save (DC 10 + the number of Covert feats you possess + your Dex modifer) or begin bleeding.
At Level 20, if the opponent fails the save and is already bleeding, he is stunned for 1 round.

So whenever the Burglar, who is all quick reactions and knife tricks, pulls a successful Attack Trick on a foe within reach of his weapon, he bleeds.
THE BURGLAR IS PERFORMING THESE TAUNTS, DISTRACTS, AND ANTICIPATES BY SLASHING AT HIM WITH HIS FUCKING WEAPON.

>>6619398
The line isn't clearly defined, but it's also not very thin. You really do know when it's been crossed, though. It's at about the same point at which....

Mage: Fireball!
Everyone else does their turn.
Mage: Fireball!
Everyone else does different things this turn.
Mage: Fireball!
Everyone else does yet another different thing.
Mage: Fireball!
GM: Mage, you have a bigger variety of tricks than anyone here, why are you doing the same god damn...
Mage: I SAID FIREBALL!

>>6618963
>I mean, giving assassins abilities that make sense and that work excellently out of combat is just awesome
This. I fucking love the assassin! I can actually use an ability that promotes roleplaying and is actually useful out of combat.

>>6619597
He can perform a taunt from far away though.

>>6619622
Ah, Bald Faced Lie and Offer They Can't Refuse, is there anything the two of you CAN'T do?

>>6619635
>Anticipate, Disarm, Distract, Feint, Taunt, or Tire an adjacent opponent
>an adjacent opponent
NO HE CAN'T!

>>6619635
Reedin kompreeheshun iz gud

>>6619635
Yes, he can. Taunts can be performed at range. However, since you missed it:
>I’ll Cut You!: At Level 10, each time you successfully Anticipate, Disarm, Distract, Feint, Taunt, or Tire an adjacent opponent
>I’ll Cut You!: At Level 10, each time you successfully
[...] an adjacent opponent
>an adjacent opponent
>AN ADJACENT OPPONENT
>AN ADJACENT OPPONENT
HAVE YOU NOTICED IT SPECIFIES "I'LL CUT YOU" CAN ONLY BE USED ON ADJACENT OPPONENT YET OR SHALL I TYPE IT OUT AGAIN?
CAPS ARE TO HELP YOU LEARN TO READ.

>>6619569
No, not really, although you can make a setting by including everything you possibly can - as in, all races, everything.

An another topic, I love how fuckin' dwarfy the Dwarves are. All the racial writeups are top-notch, for that matter.

>>6619669
I APPARENTLY ONLY UNDERSTAND CAPSLOCK. I SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS NOW. THANK YOU FOR ENLIGHTENING ME.

>>6619653
>>6619669
>>6619666
Readingcomprehensionmind.

>>6619700
The racial writeups are fan-fucking-tastic. I'm still not totally sold on Iconic Classes - feels either like I'd want another class in there or a lesser penalty - but the write-ups are awesome. They offer a great handle on the races without stereotyping the hell out of them.
And a non-mechanically-minded friend whipped up Arcana Unearthed's Litorians in about ten minutes. The Spycraft Origin Creation system is awesome.

>>6619569
Nope. You can make your own in like ten minutes, barring NPCs and maps. This is where a lot of people THINK it gets complicated, until they catch on the the book is just holding your hand and going through making a detailed world for you step-by-step, reminding you of things that you probably wouldn't think of but add to the atmosphere, instead of telling you IT MUST BE LIKE THIS. It's more of friendly reminders than rules and it's only as complicated as you make it.

>>6619700
Dwarfs:
"I can't swim? Fuck it, I will just mine beneath this river then."
"I can't jump? Fuck it, I will just stack rocks up to that ledge then."
"I can't kick? Fuck that, I will just smash my head into your bollocks instead."

Drakes:
"Fuck your humanoids and fuck your opposable thumbs too."

>>6619706
YOU KNOW ME, ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP OUT A FA/tg/UY.

>>6619774
>I can't jump? Fuck it, I will just carve out some stairs up to that ledge then."
Fixed for Dorfan.

>>6619774
You can jump you just can't make jump checks same with swimming.

>>6619774
Can't do any of those which requires a check, and can't do tricks associated with them. They can still do it, just not well.

Except for that the Drakes don't have opposable thumbs. There's really no kinda having thumbs. It's about the only thing that keeps them down besides their size, though. Important balance aspect that gets overlooked a lot.

RUNE KNIGHT WAS HERE
SWASHBUCKLER IS A FAGGOT

>>6619819
Flaying Runes up in this motherfucker!

>>6619811
You just need to strongly enforce the "special construction only" element.

Also interesting mechanical fall-out: Elves are Fey. Fey, to quote the book, "do not age".
So. Elf reproduction. No aging. Go.

>>6619832
Half healing due to being emo as hell. Keeps their numbers down.

>>6619819
But the Swashbuckler art is one of my favorite pieces of fantasy art of all time. She's fucking AWESOME.
LOOK AT THAT FUCKING ELF. LOOK AT HER.

>>6619819
When I realized that Rune Knight could be applied to archers, and that it made the coolest incarnation of Arcane Archers I've ever seen, I pic related.

>>6619848
That's not really a "how". Do they grow in pods? Fall from the stars? Do other elves make them in caves from scraps?

>>6619858
If you're in a later time period, GUNMAGE.

>>6619859
Ah, how. Well, the art in the book makes me want to think they have humanoid genitals. The traditional way, I assume.

>>6619879
But they don't age. They'd have to be born fully formed.
For obvious reasons, that won't work.

>>6619872
CANNONMAGE WAS HERE
GUNMAGE IS SMALLTIME

>>6619886
'age' is not the same as 'grow'.

>>6619886
I don't think "doesn't age" and "doesn't grow" are the same thing. Come to think of it, that's creepy as fuck and is now canon in my campaign setting. They are born baby-size with adult features.

>>6619892
Given that there are no aging rules for the text to refer to, as you might find in 3.5, I'm forced to consider it literally. Elves do not age. At birth, an elf is fully formed.

...is it so hard to consider brainstorming for fantasy as a /tg/ related activity?

>They are born baby-size with adult features.

>>6619639
>Ah, Bald Faced Lie and Offer They Can't Refuse, is there anything the two of you CAN'T do?
Bring back Ed's mom.

>>6619927

>>6619927
Oh snap!

>>6619872
They even have illustration for it in rulebook.

>>6619898
>They are born baby-size with adult features.

>>6619887
MAGE WAS HERE
I AM NOT A SUFFIX

>>6619957
MAGEGUN
MAGECANNON
THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW FAGMONSTER

>>6619898
I have to steal this for my games now.

How to spot a fa/tg/uy's FC campaign: His elves are born baby-sized adults.

LOOK AT THIS MAGE
SHE IS FUCKING HAPPY

>>6619832

ENTIRE ELF RACE IS BABIES!

>>6619988
THAT IS BECAUSE BLOWING THINGS UP IS AWESOME
AND LOOK AT THIS DWARF RIGHT HERE
KICK AND JUMP TRICKS ARE FOR FAGGOTS, SHE SAYS
DWARVES CAN STILL MAKE ACROBATICS CHECKS

>>6619988
She gets off on jumping out a window and blowing the room up behind her. I don't know whether to be in love or scared for my life.

>>6620026
>I don't know whether to be in love or scared for my life.

You mean the adrenaline rush from the fear isn't making you fall in love with her more?

>>6620026
Perhaps she jumps out of the bedroom window after she has sex with you and then blows it up. That would suck balls.

"Hey babe...where you OH MY GHOOOOOSJJKHDKJHDKLJDHLJKDH!!!!!!"

>>6620026
>>6620037
>>6620041
You'll be in a wheelchair with one eye, one arm and no legs, and you'll still say it was the best night of your life.

>>6620059

Not only that, you'd have a date with her to do it again next week.

>>6619988
>>6619855
>>6620022
The ladies of Fantasy Craft.

They are all delicious.

>>6620089
You bet your life on it.

Her skirt is made of motherfucking shields.

>>6620120
>>6620118
giantgirlfriendmind

>>6620118
>>6620120
GiantGirlfriendMind

>>6620126
Mindmind.

>>6620131
>>6620126
giantgirlfriendmindmind

LOOK AT ME AND MY FANCY FUCKING STOCKINGS

>>6620134
YOU BROKE IT. YOU FORGOT TO LINK THE OTHER PERSON.

>>6620118
>>6620120
MY SKIRT IS MADE OF SHIELDS.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.

>>6620134
>>6620138
Mindmindmind.

>>6620041
Are you implying that wouldn't be the best sex ever?

>>6620146
God.

Almost all of their images of females make me think one thing.

UNF.

This Paladin has a quadruple flail. And she has semirealistic armor.

SO, HAVE WE ESTABLISHED THAT YOU MUST TALK ABOUT FANTASY CRAFT IN CAPS LOCK NOW OR WHAT?

>>6620168
NOT ALWAYS, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S APPROPRIATE.

>>6620165
Not only that, but it's a staff with a fist holding four flails. That's fucking pimp right there.

>>6620165
There are no less than six flaming arrows being shot at her at once, and she's just FUCK YOU WAIT TILL I GET OVER THERE YOU FAGGOTS. I love it.

WHY HELLO THERE! I AM A DRAKE BEASTMASTER! THAT'S RIGHT, A MOTHERFUCKING DRAGON WITH A SABERTOOTH TIGER! YOU ARE SO FUCKED!

>>6620168
ONLY WHEN DISCUSSING ITS AWESOME AND DELICIOUS LADIES
LOOK AT HER
SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR MAGICAL HURRICANE
SHE'S GOT MAGIC SWORDS AND SHE'S GETTING OUT OF HERE

>>6620200
Fuck your shit, I am a Drake Explorer.

I would be brushing the dust off some ancient artifacts BUT I HAVE NO THUMBS TO USE THE BRUSHES

>>6620200
I am a courtier. You'll never work in this town again.

>>6620214
LOOK AT HER NIPPLES! NOT ONLY DOESN'T SHE GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR MAGICAL HURRICANE, IT'S ACTUALLY TURNING HER ON!

>>6620220
We need a huge-sized fedora over here!

>>6620228
NOW THAT I LOOK AT IT AGAIN, I THINK SHE MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF GENIE, AND IT'S HER FUCKING MAGIC HURRICANE
SO I GUESS YEAH, SHE LOVES KILLING LITTLE MORTAL PEOPLE WITH MAGIC

HELLO.
I AM A DRAKE LANCER.
I HAVE THE FEAT THAT MAKES ME HUGE.
MY MOUNT IS A GARGANTUAN DRAGON.

If I could ever find a group to play with, I'm sure I'd love Fantasy Craft. I'm dying to play a sorcerer.

Anyone playing online and need another player? I'm competent, not annoying or akward or anything like that, and I can roleplay well. Contact me at my disposable email address.

>>6620235
You're probably right. She wears no shieldskirt.

>>6620220
According to the Q&A thread on the Crafty Games forums - it's basically required reading unfortunately - drake construction items that aren't weapons and armor don't cost any more, they just have to be specially made.

>>6620248
I am now imagining a dragon biplane.

>>6620265
DRAGON BIPLANES JOUSTING IN MIDAIR WHILE PIRATES CLING ON FOR DEAR LIFE AND SHOOT OTHER PIRATES ON TOP OF THE DRAKE BIPLANES

What a human with a giant (took the "humongous" feat) for a mount/girlfriend?

>>6620317
Can't have humanoid mounts, I think.

You can choose humanoid companions if you have that feat however.

Giant girlfriend is feasible.

Seems like a nice d20 game.

Anyone have a link to spare?

>>6620313
Comon, now you're just being silly.

>>6620326

I didn't mean that the giant would literally be the human's friend, but would be a PC that the human rode on during combat (which I believe is feasible under the mounted combat rules, as it seems to have precedent for having a PC fight while riding another).

>>6620317
They're the Iconic Sages, Raelia Cloudsplitter and Hamlin Hightower. She's a Huge Giant, he's a Pech (halfling), and they're each other's Personal Lieutenants.

>>6620345
>Personal Lieutenants.

Wouldn't that make them both NPCs?

>>6620350

To expand on that, I'm more inclined to believe that the guy's a sage (as the impression I get from the class is one of a "wise mentor" character that guides the other characters and helps them do their job) while the girl is some other more combat oriented class.

>>6620350
I believe it's so if you decide to play one of them, you get the other.

>>6620363
You're welcome to go to your preferred RPG pdf distributor and download the Iconics Pack free of charge.

>>6620366

Ah.

On another note, does the captain ever get followers outside of his lieutenant? Or does he have to take a feat for that?

>>6620381
That's a feat.

>>6620402

Oh. I was hoping he had something like the cleric's congregation.

Why not have wrestling BBEGs?

>>6620423

Now that I think about it that's a bit frustrating, isn't it? IIRC the followers feat uses the number of style feats you have to determine your follower's XP value, but a captain is going to normally focus on melee combat feats and the like, right? Arg.

>>6620425

This is your BBEG.

>>6620433
Captain treats basic combat feats as style feats, IIRC.

>>6620453

But I thought that only went as far as determining the XP value for the PL?

>>6620338
>bring silly
FUCK NO

IF WRESTLING IS THE STRONGEST

THEN LET EVERYONE WRESTLE

FOR THE FATE OF THE GALAXY

Holy shit, you can be an explorer with whip mastery! Hello, dwarven Indiana Jones!

>>6620588
Dorfs can't make jump checks

>>6620608
That's what the whip is for.

>>6620640
Banned actions prohibit using nonmagic items to mimic them as well.

>>6620659
You're no fun.

I like Pathfinder. Fantasy Craft looks interesting. DnD 3.5 and 4.0 are both okay.

SUDDENLY A POLEARM

>>6620659
I don't believe you.

Give me the exact quote for that.

>>6620663
And you're not a good person. You can't use a really stupid character idea to completely mitigate an important balancing factor of a race.

>>6620659
So, a dwarf is forbidden from hanging on to a floating log and kicking with his legs too, because that would be replicating the swim skill?

>>6620687
Why not just use logic? A banned action means you can never roll them, period, no excuses, no exceptions. And whipping across a chasm is still a jump check.

Fantasy Craft is awesome. I am running it and loving it, and so are my players.

anything cool for undead or necromancers?

>>6620704
You're missing the disconnect between 'Swimming' and 'Using the swim skill'.

>>6620734
So, he doesn't use the jump skill when whipping across the chasm. Problem solved.

>>6620731
You can be a necromancer. That's about it. The cool stuff is when you start tweaking your necromancer to your liking.

>>6620740
Whipping across the chasm uses the Jump skill.

>>6620776
For example, quadrupedal, six-armed gem golem necromancer.

Also how do you get the core ability for expert classes? In order to get the core ability for a normal class you have to take it at level 1, but the minimum level you can take expert classes is at level five.

So how does that work?

>>6620800
According to the rules, you can only ever have 1 Base Class core ability and 1 Expert Class core ability. You gain them as soon as you take your first level in your first Expert Class.

>>6620734
Explain the difference, or go on record as being no fun and hating Dwarf Indy.

It's a good system...

BUT THE FUCKING LAYOUT IS TERRIBLE! TERRIBLE! I CAN'T FIGURE OUT SHIT!

>>6620835

Okay then, thanks. I was about to think that you only got it if you took it at level 5 or when you made a new character >lvl 5 at start.

>>6620863
Just read the whole fucking thing before you try to get it. Forget everything you know about d20 and just read it cover to cover.

Why are explorers so awesome? It's like, yeah, you've got a big sword and that guy can shoot fireballs from his fingertips, but look at me, I HAVE A FUCKING NOTEBOOK AND IT IS AWESOME!

I am so forcing my GM to run a Fantasy Craft game and creating an Unborn explorer with shitloads of Gear feats.

>>6620924
I am now imagining Bender robbing tombs.

>>6620924
Friends All Over is awesome.

"Alright, I'm gonna spend 1d6 hours and an action die to pick up one of my contacts that just happens to be here. He'll be able to help us."
"Dude, we're in the middle of the forest, in a barbarian tribe."
"He likes to travel."

The only thing I can say I absolutely hate about Fantasy Craft are the Iconic Classes.

Seriously, fuck you for shoehorning me into a specific class.

You're now realizing Fantasy Craft's rules makes it easy to play a gelatinous cube with levels in assassin.

>>6621066

Well it is a gelatinous cube, it could probably just seep in through the walls, dissolve its victim and seep through the floor to escape, without leaving a single trace of its presence.

>>6621123
I know. It's awesome!

>>6620924
Do you know about the Rape Spider?

The Rape Spider is the full potential of what an unborn can become.

Drake Courtier.

"... And so, gentlemen, that concludes what I have to say on the subject of the economic crisis. Do you have any input to offer?"
"ohmygodyou'reafuckingdragon"
"... Someone with originality, then?"

>>6621179
I have not heard of this rape spider.

>>6621196
That could work in reverse too.

"So your plan for solving this highly delicate political situation is 'using my awesome dragon breath to incinerate anyone who disagrees with me'? That's preposterous!"
"I am a dragon. Your argument is invalid."
"You've got me there."

>>6621251
One feat to make an Unborn clockwork.
One feat to give it eight arms. Put a -2 modifier on a stat to get another racial feat.
One feat to give it any number of legs. Put a -2 modifier on a stat to get another racial feat.
One feat to give it the power of flight.
Make it an assassin. Focus on dexterity and charisma.

That is the Rape Spider.

>>6621251
Naturally, this extends to all unusual classes.

"This economic report simply says 'Take money. Replace with leaves.' What kind of bullshit is this?"
"I'M A TREE!"
"Yes, I know. But about this report..."
"I'M A TREE!"
"We've already established that. It's not relevant to your wo-"
"THE WIND IS RUSTLING IN MY LEAVES!"
"You know what? Fuck this. You're fired."
"MY ROOTS CAN FEEL THE EARTH'S CRIES!"
"Have your desk cleaned out by seven."
"I'M A TREE!"

>>6621333
I lol'd.

From the official FC board:

"Man, I thought I swore alot...

They're really hung up on grappling aren't they? Seem to miss the fact that now that you are flat footed you can be sneak attacked to death in a few rounds [I killed a Huge Giant* wrestler in my FC game in 2 rounds while he grappled the BBEG].

*I know it sounds redundant, but there it is."

>>6621325
No, make it a wrestler.

>>6621431
Sounds like a fanboy to me.

Yes, we're bitching about your system. YOUR system. It's got flaws. FLAWS. It's not the second coming. It's a fairly good system, yes. It's imaginative and it's intelligent but it has flaws and we are discussing these flaws.

>>6621465
I can wrestle you all at the same time!

>>6621495
>>6621465
>>6621325

Don't forget to make it Giant Huge too.

>>6621507
That's impossible with unborn.

>>6621488
Hmm. Oh, probably is, buuuut...
It's also a different board, a different culture node in teh interwebs, so I'm pretty sure any hostility you read in that post is probably in your head. Dozens of posts about how teh borken Grappling is reasonably qualifies as "pretty hung up."
I linked that post because it's makes a point of mentioning something critical to correcting the situation. Namely, Sneak Attack.

>>6621431
Link this please. I can't find it.

>>6621431

I grapple the puny thief poking me

>>6621431I killed a Huge Giant* wrestler in my FC game in 2 rounds while he grappled the BBEG

Wait you killed your own party member grappling the badguy to death?

>>6621561
Look under Grappling, should be with the tags. Flat-Footed's the key one.
I don't have FC, lol, got no extra blood money.

>>6621585
He uses My in the sense that he's running the game.

The Air alignment description pretty much screamed out for this nostalgia bomb:

Class: Priest Level: 1

(40 points, Agile: +2 Dex, Shaman: +1 Cha)
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Con: 10
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Cha: 13

Species: Human (Human Talent: Agile)
Specialty: Shaman
Origin Skills: Athletics, Sneak, Survival [or Tactics]
Interests: Air Alignment, Peru, Spanish, English

Feats: Blessed (Air), Elemental Heritage (Wind)

Proficiencies: Hurled Forte, Unarmed Prof, Edged Prof
Maxed skills: Athletics, Sneak, Survival [or Tactics], Acrobatics, Sense Motive, Impress

Wounds: 10 Vitality: 9 Reach 1 Speed: 40 ft
Resistances: Bang 3, Electrical 3, Falling 5

BAB: +0 Fort: +1 Ref: +4 Wil +2 Def: +6 Legend +1 Lifestyle +2 Panache 2 Prudence 0 Appearance 2
Action Dice: 3d4

Features:
Ritual Weapon: Boomerang
Path of Air I, Path of Travel I

Devout (Spend Action die to reroll failed ritual weapon attacks and priest skills if the check wasn't an error)
Acolyte: Ritual weapon respawns after Downtime

May cast Orient Self 1/scene
Double Boost (Dex)
Parry Trick
Contagion Sense
Practiced Sense Motive

Penalties: Considered Small size for Bull Rushes, Grapples, and Trips

(Requires: Larger-than-life Heroes (40 build points), Miracles, Alignment)

>>6622085

That said, while character creation is fun it requires a lot of backtracking. What's really annoying is that some class features, feat trees and origin stuff adds in odd total attribute modifiers. The +5 total Int for the Keeper class for example. Anticipating and accommodating for stuff like that is a pain in the ass. The skill system is more fun than 3.5 but rank allocation is still just as complicated and messy for many characters.

>>6622299
Yeah, FC is crazy crunchy in that regard.

Hiyas. I'm the guy that wrote most of the grappling system and if stuff's breaking down (which it seems to be if you GM lets you be HUGE without considering what that means), it's better to hear about it than pretend nothing's wrong. No biggie.

What game is that wind shaman art from. I know I've played it but I haven't see it an AGES. It's making my brain itch :).

>>6624201

El Viento

That IS a blast from the past (1991). Thank you! *scratches brain*

>>6622085
Wow. T_T Hugs.
I'd missed El Viento so much. =S
Her sister/rival is Lestavia, and that is Annette.
/dreamy nostalgia