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    482 KB random crazy idea time Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:48 No.6571299  

    current day, real world. suddenly, when people go to sleep and dream, they touch the minds of others. in affects more and more people over time until everyone is connected to a giant subconscious internet.

    there's a sort of 'space' all dreamers touch, and they can perceive themselves as walking around it normally or tweak appearances somewhat while interacting with others.

    However, by practice or a naturally strong will, people can attack others, or even tamper with a person's mind.

    what happens? how does the world react and change in response?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:50 No.6571314
    read Amnesia Moon by Lethem
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:51 No.6571323
    people become too afraid to sleep.

    whole world goes insane.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:55 No.6571363
    I see the dream, but where's the punk?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:56 No.6571372
    A group of assassins forms, that take people out in dreamland with their psychic dream powers.

    In real life, you would never know who is and isn't an assassin.

    But in the dream world, they rule the land from the shadows.

    They are the Nightmare Society.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:57 No.6571387
    Some people with dream abilities don't agree with the Nightmare Society. They rebel and use their powers however they want. They are the Freethinkers.

    The war between the Nightmare Society and the Freethinkers is escalating, and spreading into the real world.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)20:58 No.6571397

    and then >>6571323 happens
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:00 No.6571419
    Caffeine prices skyrocket.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:00 No.6571428
    (I wish.)
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:02 No.6571451
    you are all fucked when Australian Aborigines get home
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:02 No.6571454
    Trolls would have a field day.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:03 No.6571463
    It'd be like a Nightmare on Elmstreet movie
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:04 No.6571471
    Someone goes a little too crazy. Falls asleep. Starts having lucid dreams.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:05 No.6571486
    Need a permit to be legally allowed to sleep.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:07 No.6571499
    dreamcops. they patrol to make sure no one fucks with your dreaming self. offenders go to dreamjail where they can't wake up from.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:08 No.6571513
    Need a permit to be legally allowed to wake up.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:08 No.6571515
    Offenders are thrown in dream jail. Their bodies are placed in cryogenic storage.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:10 No.6571531
    Need a permit to buy caffeine.
    Need a permit to buy sleeping pills.
    Need a permit to do anything that remotely relates to changing between awake and sleeping states.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:12 No.6571562
    Fines for yawning. Fines for getting up to go to the bathroom.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:13 No.6571581
    Possession of tranquilizers is 25 to life.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:14 No.6571593
    I remember writing something along these lines, except that only those with some strength of will could walk about in the dream land. Of course, those with stronger minds could actually attack others and dive right into the minds of those sleeping, though doing that would be tantamount to suicide. Those with Green Lantern levels of will might be able to project themselves in the waking world.

    Also, it veered quickly off into the area where it looked like a generic shounen anime. The astral forms of the dreamwalkers could transform into what can be best described as battle forms, or, if the user is of sufficient will and power(read: CRUSH THE GOBLINS WITH YE MIND) the astral form can act as a "stand" for the user while awake.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:15 No.6571600
    This setting is awesome now with the addition of Dream Cops and permits.
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    say what now
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:16 No.6571616
    isn't there some drug that can put people in a dreamless sleep? would you go crazy if you did this too long?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:17 No.6571622
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:17 No.6571633
    I'm sorry I didn't clarify.

    Yes to both.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:18 No.6571639
    I need a download link for this. So much.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:21 No.6571680
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:23 No.6571694
    Daydreaming is 5-10.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:24 No.6571716
    Hallucinogens are so drastically prohibited that other drugs may as well not exist as far as the police are concerned.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:27 No.6571753
    In Soviet Russia, nightmares have you?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:29 No.6571781

    I was going to bring this up, too. The OP is on to something, though.

    How about a transhumanist society where the physical body no longer matters. It is merely a corporeal mode of transportation and reproduction, wired to life sustaining conveyance machines from the time of (artificial) birth. At which point we're connected to LIFE, the virtual world that is made from the combined pseudo-realities that we create in our dreams. We are conditioned to resist primal fears like heights or vicious creatures lest we trap ourselves in sisyphean nightmare, the only escape from which being a forced reboot of our own minds back to the pre-nightmare vision took place, deleting all events that happened in that time.

    Cities and all things therein are built from a complex calculation that makes a database of our combined illusionary fantasies and gives us the similar results. Most people like bright colors, so the cities are themselves brightly colored.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:32 No.6571823
    The street value and sale of hallucinogens skyrockets. Possession with intent to distribute is a life sentence. Police start scouring the country for home-brew labs. Legislation is passed forcing the public to register any household cleaning products and other such items that, when mixed or taken alone, could produce such effects. It becomes easier to buy firearms than to procure the necessary chemicals.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:35 No.6571843
    We live in the Matrix, in Miyazaki-esque cities where everyone and anyone can have pretty much anything they can dream of?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:38 No.6571877
    Authors, playwrights, artists, musicians, etc become gods. Neil Gaiman is the God of Gods (I mean, who else would you have in mind to become Dream of the Endless in a land of dreaming).
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:38 No.6571888
    Violent interaction is prohibited by the simple fact that one can't act against another mind without the other mind's permission. There are certainly exceptions however for people who develop psychic abilties otuside the realm of LIFE. These individuals have the ability to access LIFE without a cerebral plug or being otherwise physically connected to the mainframe which sustains the dreamworld. A rise of these types of human has increased at a rate of 3% every year since the tenth version of LIFE was installed to the mainframe around 5 years ago.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:43 No.6571943

    Not exactly. It's more like an MMO for your brain, so Dot Hack with Miyazaki cities. Though, in my mind, it's more like a shiney version of the Blade Runner set and nothing is really real.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:48 No.6572008
    Fuck Blade Runner, you had me at .hack. Where do I sign up and when can I pick my character class?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:51 No.6572034
    And here I thought I was the only person that liked .hack, especially .hack//Sign. That new one is kind of weird, but whatever.

    Yeah, it'd be cool.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:52 No.6572038
    The hell IS it?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:54 No.6572056
    An RPG.

    Pretty cool, too. I've been reading the rulebook.

    Could make for some crazy games.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:54 No.6572057
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    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:54 No.6572059

    However, nothing is free. Your subconscious is focused on LIFE while your resting consciousness still gets up in the morning and goes to work. It pushes buttons and operates levers to the great machines of the world, processing food and sustaining the status quo. The more complex tasks, however, are designated to the Part-timers. These are people who have chosen to fore go full time contact with LIFE. This is actually a surprising popular method of living as some people can only dream so much until they actually get bored of it and mundane ways of real life are a stark alternative.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:57 No.6572085
    I don't care for your idea. I prefer the 'current day, real world... suddenly, DREAMSCAPE! Now deal with it' idea of OP than your pseudo-cyberpunk thing. Feel free to keep posting it, I'm just throwing some feedback out there.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)21:59 No.6572112

    Dream cop is apparently available.

    Went you want something in LIFE it takes practice to obtain it. The more complex the object or action, the more you have to focus your thoughts toward that goal. Want a pencil? Well it might just appear on your desk. Want a cruise ship? Got a decade or two to spare?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:01 No.6572128
    >Violent interaction is prohibited by the simple fact that one can't act against another mind without the other mind's permission.

    fucking carebears with your consensual only PvP. in my day every time you went into 0.0 space you knew you were taking a risk.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:01 No.6572132

    That's cool. I'm mostly just throwing out what comes to me. I saw a lack of "punk" in dreampunk and went that direction.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:03 No.6572148

    Well it's not like if you got into an argument the other guy wouldn't want to fight as much as you. You just can't be like "SUDDENLY, RAPE".
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:07 No.6572184

    go back to WoW
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:08 No.6572204
    >go back to WoW
    That was lame and uncalled for. However, I agree with the sentiment. If we're planning an RPG here, an inability to fight fucks shit right up. It also makes for a feeble setting.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:14 No.6572283
    Both have their merits.
    Why not? You can in the 'real' world, even if our morals, societal norms, etc hold our actions in check. The fact is, if you wanted to go IRL red-named you could, regardless of pretty much where and when. Honestly, do you think anyone would be able to hold back their desire to kill the people pissing them off if it were only a thought away (well, unless the other person also happens to be aware of this ability and focuses full time on being un-killable or somesuch)? Dreamscsape secure-zones wherein no one could be attacked wouldn't exist. Couldn't exist. Collectively, we wouldn't let them.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:16 No.6572305
    I thought of trying to run a game where the PCs go in and out of their own dreams and reality seamlessly. I would run the game normally with no hint of entering a dream and slowly i'd introduce things that arnt quite right. Not "giant whale comes out of nowhere" but more subtly things like being a lot stronger than they should be and being able to jump higher and even guide their falls/jumps to a point of flying. Soon after the PCs start 'abusing' these powers, it becomes obvious to them that they are dreaming and they wake up (If they dont notice i'll start throwing more and more outrageous events at them). The dreams themselves wouldnt be anything important.
    Im hoping to create a world where my PCs dont know what is real and what isnt. I dont know what this will achieve so i thought id play it and find out. To stop the PCs simply making a 'dream test' such as "if i cant fly im not dreaming", i'd try to hint that because their mind is so unsure it will try to convince itself that the world is real and put a mental block on 'flying' or whatever the test is, preventing it from happening even if they are dreaming.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:18 No.6572322

    Another thought on dreaming is the classic "What if there are two worlds, the dream world and the 'reality?". The dream world is a real world that you can manipulate but people generally dont because they are unaware that they can. Dream world functions just like reality with the respects of time and events, everything you do effects something and will be the same the next time you visit. Dream worlds time continues when you are not there. If you gain a scar in the dream world it will always be there but it wont appear on the reality version of you.
    The reality world is of course the real world.
    It is essentially two identical people living in different worlds. I dont know why or what you could do with this, i just thought it a bit interesting.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:18 No.6572323

    Again, I'm just throwing shit out there. What kind of great dream world would it be if murder and violence was still a problem?

    However, I understand the problem. This is why I mentioned Psychics. I figured that perhaps the players could be psychics themselves or, alternatively, the trafficking of designer hallucinagens via meme could be why murder is still an a issue but not as common a problem as it is in our real world. This can also be achieved legally through the proper, authoritative channels.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:26 No.6572410
    You know, there's a whole section of Changeling: The Lost about this shit. It doesn't have as much of the focus as a whole RPG dedicated to dreamscape stuff, but it's still pretty good.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:26 No.6572418
    Alright, lets see what we got here.

    The nightmare society is a new breed of assassins. many are sociopaths or mentally unstable, able to kill almost anyone, anywhere, and are virtually untraceable.

    the Free Thinkers use the dream-net to encourage the free flow of information, past censors and national boundaries. They also offer free basic education to anyone that wants it.

    dream-cops, or "thought police" as some call them, are the various government's method of enforcing hastily-enacted laws regarding the dream-net. but because the shape of the 'net only roughly conforms to terrestrial national boundaries, they can't always perform to the more paranoid government's expectations, and can be very dangerous to wandering foreigners.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:26 No.6572419
    >What kind of great dream world would it be if murder and violence was still a problem?
    What kind of dreamPUNK world would it be if murder and violence was NOT a problem?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:28 No.6572436
    Eventually, someone learns how to determine one's physical location through the Dreamscape. Multiple copy-cat serial killings pop up all across the country wherein the victim was Dreaming at the time and was stabbed or otherwise killed in reality.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:29 No.6572453
    ...So, this world is essentially Lain's dream world/reality?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:31 No.6572481
    Also, everyone is Lain.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:32 No.6572504

    Hmmmmm... but that becomes the problem. With violence cames fear and with fear comes nightmare and that undermines the whole idea of a dream world. It's not dreaming so much as thinking and that's just the matrix.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:33 No.6572511
    Naah. I say they have to perform some old-school legwork to first determine who their dreaming target IS in real life, then working out where they live, etc. Much better than having some mystical power to KNOW where someone is IRL when they're asleep.
    >> LDT-A 11/04/09(Wed)22:35 No.6572542
    ITT: We independently create the premise for the movie "Ink".
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:38 No.6572572
    Tell me more.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:40 No.6572596
    insanity, memes, and hallucinogens are the 'big three' dangers.

    while the ability to control the structure of the 'net and affect other dreamers varies, the insane often sport bizarre talents unique to their natures. the paranoid seem aware of everything that goes on around them, and those that 'hear voices' are often accompanied by dangerous entities, seemingly with wills of their own.

    ever get a song stuck in your head? a meme forcefully presented becomes a thousand times worse in the 'net.

    hallucinogens now very dangerous to use. the deepest trips can leave you stuck between dreaming and waking, and under immense mental strain. But rumors say that some drugs can let you assault another's mind even if the target is fully awake.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:45 No.6572658
    I imagine memes being like Dream Poison from C:TL?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:46 No.6572671
    >But rumors say that some drugs can let you assault another's mind even if the target is fully awake.
    Eh... I dunno about that.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:47 No.6572689
    Nothing mystical to it when you could just manipulate the system into giving you the information. If there are users (this being the 'LIFE' scenario as opposed to the 'SUDDENLY, Dreamscape' scenario), SOMEONE is going to want to make a user information database. For instance, since it was brought up already, if someone got their hands on the account information in the WoW databases. Server\Character = name, address, phone, credit, etc.

    Applied to the suddenly, dreamscape idea it does fall apart though and would need the legwork part.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:48 No.6572703
    I like the original idea (as in, a mystical rather than cyber-punky logic behind everything), but I think the setting would really need a "Masquerade" in order to work—i.e. only certain people know about what's going on.

    Perhaps said dream world comes into existance, but most people don't realize it, unable to tell the difference between it and their dreams from before? Keep the Nightmare Society and all, but have them be acting secretly, and eliminating (or recruiting) others who are trying to become "lucid."

    Maybe tie in some Jungian collective unconscious shit too.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:53 No.6572773

    Dreaming: The Lucid?

    Got a nice ring to it.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:55 No.6572803
    there are two main ways to hurt a dreamer. ripping and sawing.

    'ripping' is a crude psychic assault. one mind approaches another, whips itself into a frenzy of hatred, and tries to make direct, intimate contact with another mind, dumping the hateful thoughts into the target. scientists quibble over the details, but the end result is similar to cranial trauma - memory loss, loss of motor control, even death.

    'sawing' from 'jigsaw' after rooting though his target's mind and destroying something specific, the attacker basically copies something of himself into the victim in the now-empty space. This can be anything from a memory to a way of thinking.

    although imperfect, some people try to brainwash others through sawing, forcibly implanting nationalist or religious beliefs.

    one serial rapist became quite famous for brutally attacking a child in the waking world, harvesting the memory of the attack from her nightmares, and forcefully implanting that memory into others.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:58 No.6572841
    I like both. Why not have both, each with some elements of the other or similar elements to the other, but each two separate entities? I.E., two different books/movies/games/whatever with similar a premise. It's not like there isn't a shitton of this going on right now anyway.
    Dreaming: The Lucid (final title pending)
    LIFE (final title pending)
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)22:59 No.6572865
    This thread is getting confusing; is this mystical or technological? And is it commonly known or not?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:00 No.6572880
    >I think the setting would really need a "Masquerade" in order to work—i.e. only certain people know about what's going on.
    >Keep the Nightmare Society and all, but have them be acting secretly, and eliminating (or recruiting) others who are trying to become "lucid."

    Shit is getting very matrixy. Not necessarily in a bad way or anything.

    I thought a large portion of the appeal of the suddenly DREAMSCAPE! setting was how waking society deals with the events, and how mankind will, naturally, try and impose a set of societal laws upon a place where everyone has the power to influence the scape.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:03 No.6572918
    >This thread is getting confusing; is this mystical or technological? And is it commonly known or not?
    There's a few strands of ideas up in here. Personally I'm following the mystical setting and voting that, like OP's post, it stays commonly known.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:03 No.6572933
    I fully support this notion.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:05 No.6572951
    Thirding that name if it turns out that the Dreamscape knowledge isn't commonplace. Otherwise that title applies to literally everyone in the world, which seems kinda silly.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:06 No.6572969
    >one serial rapist became quite famous for brutally attacking a child in the waking world, harvesting the memory of the attack from her nightmares, and forcefully implanting that memory into others

    Which side of the memory though? The feeling of raping someone, thus creating more rapists, or the feeling of being raped, thus creating more rape victims? Or both, the attacker having gone hunting for the other memory set (or stumbled onto it) and copied that as well? ...Wonder what happens to someone with both sets.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:06 No.6572975
    Makes sense to me, yeah. The ideas are different enough from eachother as to warrant two entities.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:07 No.6572981
    Lucids are those who become aware of the Dreamscape. This realization causes them to gain immense psychic powers in the Dreamscape. The Nightmare Society tries to recruit as many Lucids as possible. Those they fail to recruit become Freethinkers and become high priority targets.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:08 No.6573003
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    How about this, then: the existence of the Dream (that everyone's dreams are linked in a sort of collective unconsciousness) is commonly known, but the majority of people have no influence over their presence there—their dreams are no different then they were before they knew.

    The player characters (and antagoinsts) would be "Lucids", people who can control their dream-selves and even learn to warp the Dream itself to fit their ends. They would be heavily regulated by the government, most either being forced to take drugs which remove their ability or working for a sort of "Dream police." Some would rebel, either going underground or joining up with the Nightmare Society and almost never leaving the Dream at all.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:09 No.6573018
    Everyone else fails to realize that the Dreamscape exists. The new legislation for sleep affecting substances is given some bogus coverup story.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:09 No.6573023
    Not really, since the entire point is that not everyone can control their dreams. You may join the collective unconscious, but your actions in the Dreamscape may be completely outside of your ability to influence. Thus pushing the use of/desire for hallucinogens (which would probably turn anyone taking them into a Dreaming WMD) and other such effects.
    >> LDT-A 11/04/09(Wed)23:10 No.6573026
    Ok, I haven't seen the movie myself, mainly because its Indie and only showing in the US, but I've gathered enough from trailers and background info that it is effectively the same as this setting being developed. There are two factions, the storytellers, who are responsible for dreams, and the other faction, responsible for nightmares.

    The two warp in and out of the real world and dream world through some means, and while its extremely rare for the two factions to meet (For some reason), when they do, they fight. In dreams, and also in the real world (With improvised weapons, martial arts etc.). Both factions need to replenish their numbers from time to time, the storytellers recruit from people with vivid imaginations working on the assumption that any well adjusted human being will share their views, whereas the nightmare faction has some very strange initiation ceremonies to ensure that every single one of their recruits is committed.

    Both factions are not quite human anymore, and are extremely limited in their capacity to influence or even interact with people in a waking state. However there do exist specialists on both sides capable of influencing people during daylight hours, individuals so valued they are kept around long after accumulating injuries that would make them otherwise useless within their factions, like lost limbs, blindness, etc.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:10 No.6573031
    I like the idea of someone implanting the memories of how delicious it is to commit the perfect rape into a girl, giving her a fascination with futa rape.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:13 No.6573062
    Man, a good idea to run a game with this setting would be to keep all fluff knowledge from the players, make them think it's just some generic modern setting.

    And then they go to sleep.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:15 No.6573087
    Sounds good by me. Though I don't know about the gov regulation thing. I guess it depends on how soon after the Lucids begun Awakening. I think having a shady gov subsidiary with a handful of Lucids and a team of scientists would be cool, having them trying to hunt down Lucids and identify them, all that stuff. But if it's set later, then yeah the gov could already have TIGHT regulation on Lucids, some sort of national database, all that stuff. What do you think?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:17 No.6573118
    People under the influence of hallucinogens temporarily gain the powers of a Lucid, albeit far less stable and far more dangerous. However, their powers are extremely strong. They are a threat to everyone in the Dreamscape.

    What would a good name be for them?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:18 No.6573119
    Now that I re-read that, it reminds me of the first season of Heroes. Except with Lucids and Dreaming instead of... you know... Heroes and Powers.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:18 No.6573132
    Dreamers don't have any control over their actions or appearance within the Dream. Lucids, on the other hand, have a great deal.

    While in the Dream, the Lucid takes on an "Avatar," a particular Dream-body which he or she has created for himself. It can appear in any form which the Lucid wishes, but its abilities are limited to the Lucid's "Willpower." Willpower is everything in the Dream— everything, including simply being within the Dream, costs the Lucid an amount of Willpower to achieve. If a Lucid runs out of Willpower before consciously exiting the Dream (waking up), he reverts to non-lucidity, and loses control over his Dream-self until he naturally wakes up or is woken.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:19 No.6573135
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    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:20 No.6573152
    Can we not call it an Avatar, PLEASE? It just sounds so cheesy. What's wrong with Dream-Self?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:20 No.6573156
    I know if I weren't one of the guys who could attack or alter people, I'd make sure to go knock them off right quick. Nobody in my mind but me.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:21 No.6573163
    This man is a genius.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:22 No.6573174
    The criminally insane, because of their lack of mental blocks, are often Lucids. But they become twisted into something else. They become monsters. Something you would see in a nightmare.

    And the Nightmare Society is interested.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:22 No.6573181
    It doesn't have to be an Avatar; I just want some term to distinguish the bodies of the Lucid (who can choose their form and alter it at will) and Dreamers (who can't)

    An insane Willpower boost, perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:23 No.6573189
    >[magical calamity of some sort]
    >[everyone trapped in the 'dreaming']
    >[adventure go]
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:24 No.6573198
    No ideas for a name there, really, but my guess is some generic mmo-related name would get stamped on at first (nukes or somesuch) before someone came up with an official name for them.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:24 No.6573201
    This is a good thread.

    It should be archived for future study.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:24 No.6573202
    A Sigmund.
    The New VR.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:25 No.6573213
    Is there something wrong with just straight up calling them Monsters?
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    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:26 No.6573226
    One's dream-self would be one's Ego. Makes sense, right?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:27 No.6573234
    And how long until one side or the other starts hunting down borderline-psychotics in the hope that they could be more easily controlled (Nightmare Society) or would be a necessary evil in the fight (Free Thinkers).
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:27 No.6573235
    Criminally insane are naturally Monsters.

    Hallucinogens turn people into them.

    They are quite a big problem in the Dreamscape.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:27 No.6573241
    Which would mean you'd call those who are Lucid via drugs the Id? All impulsive with little control.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:28 No.6573252
    I like Id.

    Monsters retconned, Id instated.

    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:28 No.6573262
    Yeah, but how many people that...Lucided? Woke Up? are smart enough/value smarts enough to thoroughly study the history of dream interpretation? Even if most are, slang gives a "modern" feel.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:29 No.6573265
    We need some kind of regulations as to what actions can be taken.

    Let me elaborate. Lucids can do all sorts of crazy shit— warp their bodies, change the Dream around them to whatever they wish, you name it. But none of that would actually harm anyone (beyond freaking out a Dreamer). We need a method for Lucids to harm one another; preferably some kind of sanity damage, that could do things like steal or erase memories or abilities, or drain Willpower.

    Maybe some Lucids study Jung, and have their forms/avatars take on Archetypes, wielding the weight of the collective beliefs of humanity against others through their Symbols? Or craft Memes from raw Dream-stuff and secret them into the minds of others, causing them to act on them without conscious knowledge?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:29 No.6573271
    Seconded, if we're calling the dream-self of the otherwise Lucids (both nightmare and free) their Ego.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:31 No.6573288
    Ego and Id are pretty conventional terms, right? I didn't think they were particularly 'smart' terms.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:32 No.6573294
    I support the term "Ego" for Lucids and "Id" for the Monsters/people on drugs.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:33 No.6573303

    So...this is The Matrix except the vast majority of people are stuck in a dream?

    Oh...wait...yeah, it is The Matrix.

    Without the machines. So, Matrix meets WoD.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:34 No.6573309
    Kinda. They're basic, but they sound too "smart" for a gritty setting unless the team's smart guy uses them.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:34 No.6573317
    Monsters is slang term, Id is official term.
    But then, what would the slang term for Ego be?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:35 No.6573323
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    You do realize that the OP describes something that already exists, right?
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:35 No.6573325
    Except nobody's trapped there. Other than the usual 8 or so hours a night.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:36 No.6573332

    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:36 No.6573333
    I think refering to Changeling's relevant stuff could be useful here. I'll flip through and see if I can't find the particularly pertinent stuff.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:36 No.6573334
    It has been brought up previously in the thread.

    Throughout the rest of the thread, the fluff was modified to generate a unique setting.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:36 No.6573335
    Goddamnit just /rs/ Lacuna already.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:37 No.6573351

    Coma victims beg to differ.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:38 No.6573357
    While I fully agree that Lacuna is very similar and well designed, we are having fun generating our own setting.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:38 No.6573365
    Being in a coma puts you in a mental state of Lucidity.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:40 No.6573378
    Physical damage from dream damage. The mind makes it real, matrix-like, though not quite to that extent. For instance, you may 'die' in the Dreaming, but it would take some serious work to actually kill a person as opposed to just giving them a headache, making them feel sick/out of sorts, of leaving bruises. Combine that with the psychic damage (ripping, sawing)...
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:42 No.6573398
    I'd say being in a coma would either a.) make you a lucid or b.) be the end result of sustaining enough damage in the Dreaming. Or both. Some coma victims may 'wake up' to find themselves in the Dreaming. Some Dreamers/Lucids may get hurt and fall into a coma (of the little-to-no brain activity sort).
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:44 No.6573404
    Psychically make their brain think that it is in the most pain physically possible.

    It would not be easy, but it would be crazy powerful.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:45 No.6573415
    The b-option adds on the likeness to .hack, that being those attacked by certain things in The World fall into a coma. Occasionally some get stuck (Tsukasa, Sora/Haseo), but mostly they just disappear (pretty much everyone else).
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:47 No.6573433
    As you hit the coma state, you have to try to use as much mental power as possible to remain existent. Fail, and your consciousness is destroyed, and you will never come out of that coma. Succeed, and you manage to cling onto life. There is hope for you yet.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:48 No.6573440
    Okay, so an adaptation of Changeling's stuff, modified a little to fit our setting a bit better.

    Oneiromancy (dream manipulation [as opposed to Oneiromachy, dream combat] a nice wordy term for what the Lucid are capable of) can be used to analyze a dreamscape (gleaning information about those present as their minds alter the scape without their conscious input), to scour a dreamer out of the Dreamscape altogether (assumedly waking them with a start, as if from a shocking dream), to poison the dreams of the non-lucid (what are we calling them? the Dreamers? the Opaque?), giving them subliminal messages to act on while they're awake and all that nifty jazz, to meme-craft a message or thought or idea to be distributed unconsciously from one Dreamer to the next, speading it through the Collective Unconscious, to steal/damage/replace/overwrite/otherwise influence the memories of a Dreamer.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:49 No.6573452
    All of the mental stress of escaping that fate temporarily turns you into an Id. Survival instincts in your brain take full overdrive and you push it to the limit.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:52 No.6573474
    >giving them subliminal messages to act on while they're awake and all that nifty jazz
    The Russians are very interested.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:53 No.6573482
    You have the dream. Where's the "punk?"

    Also: Find yourself a copy of "Don't Rest Your Head." Nightmarish setting & fluff, and mechanics that evoke dread, fear and abhorrance -- the three components of horror.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:54 No.6573495
    ... has someone archived this yet? It's pretty awesome.
    >> Anonymous 11/04/09(Wed)23:59 No.6573548

    No -mancey. This isn't magic, at least not in that sense.

    If you want to use Changeling stuff, use the Fey rules from Equinox Road instead. Remember, your own part of the Dreaming is as much a part of you as your Ego-body, so the game mechanics should reflect that, as well as your ability to change both your shape and effect the shape of the world around you depending on how closely it resembles your own "Dream"
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:00 No.6573562
    So, what's the name of this officially?

    Dreaming: The Lucid?
    Dreamscape: The Lucid?
    Et cetera?

    So many combinations, just vote or something.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:00 No.6573567

    I was thinking that in rare cases, people in comas would inhabit the dreamscape AFTER their bodies had died. This would be a situation unique to comas and very rare.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:02 No.6573594
    This setting is gonna need a Toonami voiceover.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:07 No.6573637

    Archived. Keep it alive, keep it updated.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:07 No.6573640
    Oh god, I can hear the Narrator now. ...and I kind of like it.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:12 No.6573698
    This reminds me of a little bit of an idea I wrote up years back for some forum. Looking through it now - I tended to focus more on spectral constructs manifested from the residual mental energy from nightmares and particularly detailed and expressive dreams; More on the monsters of the world than the people who somehow bungled up into it. The shades, as I called them, wouldn't last very long - a day at most - unless they inhabited another sleeping mind, where, unless the dreamer is of sufficient skill and will, the shade would cause the new owner nightmares and escape into the dreaming once more, possibly weaker or stronger depending on each dreamer affected.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:17 No.6573750
    In horrified response to the numbers of non-lucids being murdered by the ids and the Nightmare Society's puppets, some Lucids have banded together to create safe zones throughout the Dream. Their constant expenditure of will pacifies an area as long as they are active.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:18 No.6573761
    (show a very peaceful place)
    (people enjoying themselves, generally being happy)
    (more happy stuff)
    (show Dream Police barricading off a section of a city)
    (show a person walking through a dark area,visibly scared)
    (show a few people with impressive looking armor and weapons on)
    (show a giant monster attacking people)
    (show a Nightmare Society soldier, explosion behind him)


    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:20 No.6573781
    The Noun-punk label is completely meaningless now because of people like the OP who have no idea what it means.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:23 No.6573822
    Until coordinated attacks against the safe zones are orchestrated, and then people die/go into coma en masse.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:24 No.6573837
    This is entirely accurate and awesome, especially
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:25 No.6573841
    Oh god, THAT VOICE. *fapfapfapfapfap* nostalgia-gasm.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:25 No.6573849
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    Recommending stay the fuck away from that one. Title of a shit movie kinda like this but technologically aided. Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:27 No.6573867
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    Yeah, Moltar!
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:28 No.6573883
    Where's RogueKitty when you need him?
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:37 No.6573961
    Well /tg/, it's been fun. I believe I'll visit more often, from now on. And now, I know I'm probably going to dream this crap. ..Well, at least Ima try.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:39 No.6573975
    If you have any nicotine patches around, slap one on right before you go to bed. You will have the most vivid dreams you will ever have. No shit.
    >> Dream Police 11/05/09(Thu)00:39 No.6573986
    I'm gonna need a permit for that nicotine patch.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:45 No.6574038
    Alright, /tg/. Let's do this.

    What else do we need to figure out for this to become a workable setting?
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:46 No.6574051
    Collective unconscious is real?
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:46 No.6574056
    Motherfucker, I will mindrape the shit out of you. I got a bottle distilled tryptophan, a nicotine patch, and I just got done reading an H.P. Lovecraft compendium. Bring it.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:49 No.6574081
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    Dammit, I took too long writing this.

    (Various shots of people in the r.e.m state of sleep)
    (One pair of eyes open; bloodshot and they start to roll back into their sockets)
    (An entire city block of people fall unconscious while the dream police search for the culprit)
    (A group of freethinkers slowly approach a body giving off unnaturally high EEG's)
    ("No more, NO MORE! GET THEM OUT OF MY HEAD!")
    (Action shots of the various factions)
    (Double screen shots of people interacting in the dream world and the real world)
    (A shockwave runs through them)
    (Dream police autopsies reveal they've been lobotomised)
    (Nighmare soldier corners a lucid)
    ("What's the matter, afraid of the dark? Hahaha, still just a child playing hero, eh boy?")
    ("I was just waiting for you to stop paying attention to your link to the rest of your pals. Memento mori is a bitch, ain't it.")
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:50 No.6574090
    Ah, youngins.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:51 No.6574104
    Again, I will say it.

    Where is RogueKitty when you need him?!?
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)00:57 No.6574160
    This reminds me of some stories.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)01:10 No.6574290
    Alright, is this thread over? Have we done all we can do for this setting?
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)02:39 No.6575275
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    The akashik record, the collective unconscious, the gough. Since man first counted the seasons and howled his thanks to storms and constellations the great repository has drunk his passion up. Every triumph, every story, every wasted tear, has etched itself into the glassy eye of god. Stories vaster than their telling, years with out count. Now, this year, the last year is 2012. the grand conjunction looms, the myans long vigil end. The doors of perception swing wide. And humanity is united at last. Healed, made whole. A single dream, shared by a shining host. Almost.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)02:41 No.6575288
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    Memes are the door, memes are the cage. In the end, it was the Internet that did it. Every one every where around the world, sings the same songs drinks the same drinks, dreams the same dreams. The Host couldn't change what they dream if they wanted to. They cant want to. The over soul animates and guides them. A single vision drawing them towards a better tomorrow. It was not the same with you. The small one, the wreched, the outcast, the dreamer. The rising tide of common sentiment could never seem to lift you. Though you tried, it could not make you happy. The rapture happened, its heaven on earth. But your on the wrong side of the gates.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)02:43 No.6575314
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    Its not all bad though. You think thoughts no one else can think, you say words no one else can say, and when you dream, your little spark outshines the dull gray routines the Host reenact, night after night, day after day. Your a free agent, using your own brand of truth to cut through the jungles of the subconcept. every ounce of human wisdom is here, for the finding, every aspiration and every to do list hanging in the troubled sleep of restless nations is subject to your review, and your approval. But your not the only snake in the garden.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)02:43 No.6575330
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    For a long time, it was a first world phenomenon. People fell asleep, some times for years, some times they didn't wake up. When it spilled over into the third world the emaciated bodies of the sleeping dead were stacked up like cord wood along the horn of Africa, and left to rot. A world wide pandemic was declared. Some on the fringes of society, in danger of loosing their connection to the great dream have begun to ask aloud, what you have known for far too long. There are monsters, in the dark, behind your eyes.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)02:44 No.6575342
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    The mad ones, the schizophrenic, the megalomaniac, the sociopath, vessels to cracked or warped to contain the great dream, are barred from paradise, and like you, are left free to wander. Among the most lucent of their number, they have formed a society of nightmare, terrible and strange. The asylums which were once their prisons have become fortresses, staffed by orderlies and doctors who dream they are awake attend to the ever stranger needs of the lords of nightmare while their bleak masters roam ever further afield, by night, to whatever end their madness takes them.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)04:13 No.6576325
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    Little things that happen during my day always come back to haunt me at night. It's only things that dance on the periphery of conscious awareness and then disappear. If I look at something, if I focus on it, and think 'perhaps I'll dream of that tonight' it never happens.
    However, a vague shadow in the periphery of my vision that causes me to turn, then wonder what I was doing, a nondescript man walking down the footpath towards me as I'm driving, I look through him, my mind somewhere else, and he slips in and visits me at night. A dog that my brain somehow realises looks like the dog my cousin had tat bit me when I was 6 but that my conscious mind pays no heed to. IT WILL ATTACK ME AGAIN THAT NIGHT.
    It has come to the point where if I catch a flicker of awareness, that tremor of subconscious thought that can barely, barely be felt on the surface of your waking mind, I have to focus on it, I have to turn my attention to it and obliterate it's insidious form from the darkened dreamvault which waits to birth its contents into my helpless world at night.
    This is true for me, and it make me realise that when you dream, it's your brain steadily uncoiling spools of untouched thought from the day. To dream something, you have to have seen it. That which exists in the mind, must first exist in the senses, and that which we dream must touch our thoughts without alerting them.
    The most terrifying thing about this setting should be realising what it was that you saw during the day.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)04:17 No.6576356
    Read "Vurt" and "Pollen" By Jeff Noon

    "No one knows exactly what it was during that time before it's discovery and no one will agree on what it is now but once the gates to realm of Vurt were opened, everything changed. Beginning with the bio-technical revolution that allowed dreams to be recorded onto a replayable format, allowing anyone to travel into dreams as though they were real - via the Dream Feathers.
    The Vurt began to take on a life of it's own and the surreality became commonplace as creatures and things from the dream world were gradually taken out - the Vurt bacame part of reality. "
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)06:54 No.6577591
    FUCK YES this thread is still here.
    >> Anonymous 11/05/09(Thu)12:16 No.6579809

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