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    289 KB Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:55 No.6431149  
    Old threads:
    >> northern /k/ommando 10/25/09(Sun)16:58 No.6431180
    are you trying to troll scandinavians, good sir?.

    shame on you.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:58 No.6431182
    what? Celts independent? Celts rolled over and offered up their oily assholes for citizenship. Why do you think Gaul and Briton were such calm provinces.

    Why do the Huns have any kind of empire? They couldn't run a barber shop.

    Why the fuck the romans own all of the Central desert wasteland of africa, and the awful jungle.. but when the land opens up and becomes actually nice, they dont? wtf?

    Worst map.. evaaaarrr
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:00 No.6431204
    Well it IS the official map on 1d4chan.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:01 No.6431215
    this probably isn't a good time of day for another thread. the trolling level in /tg/ is over 9000 right now.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:02 No.6431227
    >Using Google Maps for map making.
    >> God-Emperor of Mankind 10/25/09(Sun)17:02 No.6431230
    Needs more ROME HAS CONQURED!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:04 No.6431251
    ITT: Nobody knows what this is. OP should have Machina Dei in subject field and provided a link to the wiki.
    >> Machina dei Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:06 No.6431274
    Oh, right, sorry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:07 No.6431284
    Speaking of Wiki links:
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:07 No.6431285


    DO IT.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:08 No.6431295
    I've never read any of this yet, so I obviously know what the fuck I'm talking about.

    But from the very idea of it... What do mechs do?you do? Fight other mechs or wreck buildings and formations.

    So out the fuck would mechs lend to combat in india, or on the Sahara. If Germany couldn't maintain a tank in the desert in 1941, how the fuck are the romans?

    also; I hope the mechs were invented by the temple of Artemis.

    Better outline of nations:
    - Rome closer to Trajan borders.
    - Confederation of Germans
    - China (in a fractured kingdom.. fuck.. use the fallen Han kingdom)
    - Give the Huns Central asia
    - At least 2 Indian tribes that also rule Afghanistan
    - Some uppity spear chuckers.
    - And maybe, break the Roman Empire in half.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:09 No.6431304

    The Celts are independent because Boudica fucked up Roman shit.

    The Huns have an Empire because they were originally Mongols and we decided that the Huns would be more in line with the time period.

    And, unless I'm mistaken, the Congo (the unconquered bit directly south) is jungle.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:09 No.6431311
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    oh, so new thread. Ok. We were working on Indian and Chinese fluff for a bit. Here's what I've recently changed on the wiki for China (if it sounds a bit too much like the description of Cathay in WHFB 6th/7th?, oh well):
    >A vast empire governed by ritual and might the Thousand-Year Dynasties proclaim their rule by the Mandate of Heaven. An exotic nation far to the East, it is home to tall tales of unending numbers of tireless troops, monkey sages that trapeze off clouds and can kill a man with a touch, and hulking stone lions that gain life to defend the Forbidden City. Its capital is a bewildering combination of culture and conquest; for every nation under its authority, the Phoenix Emperor demolishes its capital and builds a full-scale replica in his own, consolidating power through the very ties that bind his enemies

    somewhat truthful (Qin Shihuang Di did in fact move enemy capitals to his own), though perhaps it would strike my fancy (and those of /tg/'s as well), to have a female Phoenix Empress (like Exalted?).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:10 No.6431320
    Most of your complaints would be alleviated by knowing the fluff, however
    >Why the fuck the romans own all of the Central desert wasteland of africa, and the awful jungle.. but when the land opens up and becomes actually nice, they dont? wtf?
    It's a lot easier to claim empty wastelands than to get forces across jungle and desert to conquer the people who live in the nicer places.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:12 No.6431350
    >he Huns have an Empire because they were originally Mongols
    This. I believe we're using the idea that the Xiongnu Confederation/Empire did in fact give rise to the Huns (which they may or may not have IRL)

    Also, what about changing Jade Wagons to Jade Juggernauts (it also has the same precedence but sounds a bit more... imposing?). I get the idea of those demonic artillery spewing thingys that were part of the WHFB event a few years back
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:13 No.6431355

    Is that why the Historical Romans so easily ruled over the Germans in their thick forests in the 1st century, and had such a difficult time battling the proto-poles on the other side?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:13 No.6431360

    The Roman mechs were crafted by Vulcan and were gifts from the gods as a way of showing support for Caesar's rise to Emperor. Following which, Rome got a lot of shit done.

    Also, the Huns are in a symbiotic relationship with shoggoths, the Chinese have scores of terracotta golems, and the Celts have fancy druid shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:13 No.6431362
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    No Persian or Arab Empires
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:13 No.6431371
    >also; I hope the mechs were invented by the temple of Artemis.
    Nope, Vulcan. We figured it fit better since he actually made robot people in RL Grecoroman mythology.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:14 No.6431382

    Druid shit isn't fancy though. Thats why it lost so hard in the face. Bad. If you just have a raging hard bonner for wiccan braveheart, then admit it... instead of making up spurious crap like "fancy druid shit."
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:14 No.6431383

    Conquering Germany goes better when you don't fuck up in that godawful forest.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:15 No.6431389
    Wrong time period.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:17 No.6431408
    Yes, yes, we know the Persian power of the time, Parthia, decimated Rome at Carrhae, and because of that Caesar came to power. However, this is Rome+mechs. Besides, with the Mongols/Xiongnu have spread farther west and have encountered the western 'barbarians', Han China would not be so beleaguered as to not venture farther conquests west itself
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:17 No.6431409

    Thats the idea! You mechs aren't going to help you win in a forest. But apparently, they help you win in forests here.. real awesome like. They stroll through the western german forests, alps, AND the fucking Congo. A place whiteman couldn't conquer/know about until the 20th century.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:19 No.6431425
    >Jade Wagons to Jade Juggernauts
    Jade Wagons sounds like what Chinese people might actually call them though; Jade Juggernaut sounds more like what Blizzard or someone would call them.

    You're a couple hundred years ahead of us. Nero has only just been put in charge (Julius Caesar is supernaturally long-lived).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:19 No.6431430

    Mechs dispense malaria pills, obviously. Also, good to see that the Romans have learned to desert-proof their machinery
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:21 No.6431441
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:22 No.6431456

    Because Vulcan couldn't do that for them, right? You know, the god that is making these supernatural constructs?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:22 No.6431459

    If Julius Caesar is supernaturally long lived, why the fuck would anybody pick the last rotten stepchild of the claudians to inherit the empire?

    There, is actually no evidence that Caesar wanted a monarchy. If he died at a time of his choosing, AND wanted a monarchy, he probably would have picked somebody more able than the terrible poet and unlikely Nero.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:23 No.6431469
    The mechs are divine in nature. It's not out of the realm of possibility in the least for either.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:23 No.6431470
    >Jade Wagons sounds like what Chinese people might actually call them though
    hmm, you may be right, though it irks me slightly since the wheelbarrow was just introduced in China at the time... there are mythological tales of iron and wood 'mechs', for a lack of a better term, that spewed fire, and these in a few translations are indeed termed juggernauts.
    On a completely different note, Repeater Crossbows.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:24 No.6431474
    The Iranians just rolled over?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:24 No.6431477

    Vulcan's a god of fire (and, via adoption of Hephaestus, blacksmiths). Anything provided by him should be dirty, smoggy etc, not clean and reliable.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:24 No.6431479
    Sounds like they did the work for us.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:25 No.6431489
    They don't stroll through alps, the alps were a bitch to get through. But yeah, jungles and forests are much easier with mechs. Not so great at oceans though, which is why the Celts are independent.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:25 No.6431495
    >not reliable
    Says who?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:26 No.6431511
    seriously OP dont just post fucking links to the old threads assuming new people are going to look at them, post information for them as well
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:26 No.6431513

    As the god of blacksmiths, the things he creates should be reliable. You aren't gonna be a very good god of blacksmiths if the stuff you make keeps breaking.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:27 No.6431522

    He's a god for blacksmiths. Iron, forges etc. Functionality over form. Nature tamed by strength etc.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:28 No.6431530
    >Functionality over form. Nature tamed by strength etc.

    So, he'd create something that's reliable and good at fucking up nature? Kinda like those pesky forests.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:29 No.6431532
    What kind of fucked up fanboy logic is this?

    Romans ACTUALLY conquered the gauls and british... VERY EASILY with boats.

    But given mechs, giant robot fucks.. they CANT? Furthermore, they leave the easy prey, and go attack into dense forests, and across the largest desert in the world, to CONQUER caveman tribes...

    This is fucked up, and backwards. Just admit you have retarded curly irish red pubes, and <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<3 the Gauls. Its terrible history, and worse ahistorical material.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:29 No.6431534
    Well, we could always reintroduce Parthia, though I doubt the effectiveness of Cataphracts against a Colossus and I don't know enough Persian mythology to make much of it. Parthia was the middleman between Rome and the Han; power projection for the two ends was too difficult under normal circumstances. With Mechs and Dragons, though?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:29 No.6431542

    Reliable was perhaps the wrong word. I'd envisage them as coughing into action emitting a cloud of steam, rather than a gently rising hum or whatever. 100% effectiveness in a desert doesn;t really fit with that.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:29 No.6431548
    we don't need more factions

    we need more fluff on the existing factions

    like specific units and their armaments
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:30 No.6431553
    Those are called Sho-Ko-Nu. I believe we established that they were pretty much standard for large portions of the terracotta army. First or second thread, I don't remember any more.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:30 No.6431560
    Lorica Faulta.No matter how true it is, is any general really going to send his men into battle with something that's actually named as defective?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:31 No.6431569
    it's not defective in the sense as its broken, just as its not up to par with the man machines
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:32 No.6431582
    >But given mechs, giant robot fucks.. they CANT?

    Well, they did conquer Gaul without a hitch before they got mechs. However, the mechs were too big / heavy to transport across to the British Isles, and by the time they started that campaign, the commanders had grown overly reliant on the mechs. Fighting out of their element, Boudica was able to successfully fend off the Romans and stage a counterattack where she captured the northern bit of Gaul.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:32 No.6431584

    If you had actually read the previous threads, you'd know that they had become too reliant upon their mechs, which they were unable to properly carry on boats over the channel.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:32 No.6431590
    >Western barbarians

    History fail. The Chinese considered the Romans to be a civilised people. Google Daqin
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:33 No.6431595
    How do you get a mech on a boat, broski? It doesn't work that well. believe me, we spent something like 50 posts debating it.

    They didn't get anything supernatural. Their gods were bitches.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:34 No.6431608

    Yes, but is that going to be admitted? Would they really call the units "Faulty Body Armour" or would they use a euphemism?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:35 No.6431623
    probably a euphemism to chastise those who made it
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:36 No.6431627
    1. It was the Huns doing the considering
    2. He meant the people referred to as "Barbarians" on the map, primarily Norse and Rus.
    >> Masterfag !!wUrDqZks5cn 10/25/09(Sun)17:36 No.6431636
    Who the fuck made this map? You should feel bad.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:37 No.6431637
    The Chinese also considered the Persians as Civilized equals. Quite a few Chinese Empresses came from Persia.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:37 No.6431646

    9001 hours in mspaint

    make a better one
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:37 No.6431648
    Perhaps, though I'd suspect the vast amount of silk trade from China to Rome was a large motivator. On a more historical note, we do have the Battle of Zhizhi, where some scholars have argued that a number of Roman soldiers who were captured at Carrhae were sent to defend the Western Xiongnu's eastern borders... whereupon they came upon a Han army.
    One of the Han generals references the use a peculiar "fish-scale" shield formation, perhaps the tetsudo formation of the legionaries. The outcome? poor motivation meant that the Han heavy cavalry rode all over them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:38 No.6431654
    Considering it was something like 10 hours ago, I doubt he's here now.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:38 No.6431657

    Too reliant? So they're not romans?

    If you ask anyone who took a history class, "what was the one things romans were good at?"

    Answer: "Adapting".

    >> Masterfag !!wUrDqZks5cn 10/25/09(Sun)17:39 No.6431674
    Just take the map from nations game you fagtard, it's not that hard. You can even keep on using paint.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:40 No.6431682

    For some reason, I doubt you can come up with a better setting piece, Mr. Rain on Everyone's Parade.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:42 No.6431699

    Unless they were in a certain forest or a certain desert.

    After steamrolling everything with their shiny new toys, the commanders got lazy and paid the penalty. So far the Romans haven't been able to mount a second offensive to any appreciable degree because the majority of their troops are on the other side of the empire.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:44 No.6431719

    And of course there's no way they could recruit some more from the inexhaustable mob that led to most of Rome's problems? Or raise auxilliaries.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:47 No.6431755
    When your gods give you giant robots to fuck shit up with are you going to say "nah don't need 'em, I got this covered." They grew reliant on their mecha because it made fucking easy to just steam roll over an area and throw in foot soldiers to keep the peace.

    Then when it came time to go across the ocean they couldn't bring along a large force of mechs and the commander there wasn't able to adapt quick enough to handle the britons.

    Romans in general are adaptive, but not ever single commander is going to adapt to everything on the fly perfectly.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:48 No.6431767
    They like using mechs. And are facing mech-level enemies. You're suggesting they send a bunch of ordinary soldiers against the captured mechs and Treemen?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:48 No.6431770
    they also have to deal with the christians who can pop out of no where and wreck havoc as well as keeping order

    plus making mechs isn't quick nor easy
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:49 No.6431782

    I've put a reply. Have all of Briton be Roman. If you love the shit out of some stupid Gauls, make them a crazy auxiliary or something. Don't say the Romans could conquer the lifeless Sahara and all the way past the congo, but can't conquer Briton. That doesn't make any sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:50 No.6431793

    It's too late for that. Boudica and crew have set up camp and have been actively playing for keeps instead of treating it like child's play the way the Romans did. Now they're utilizing captured Roman mechs and ents, which prove to be a bit much for a newly raised undisciplined army.

    Additionally, Rome doesn't see them as being high on their list of problems. The Huns who have recently begun invading the Empire and the Chinese counterattack are a much higher priority, leading to all the best and brightest being sent to the east.

    Right now Rome is set to hold the Celts at bay and prevent them from taking any more territory, but they need to regain their balance and take care of more important problems before they can crush the upstarts.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:51 No.6431798
    >all the way past the congo,

    They didn't.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:52 No.6431805
    Keep in mind that the commander here was Brutus; not a man trained as a general. He was merely being rewarded for uncovering an attempt on the Caesar's life.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:53 No.6431821

    Wait... they can't get them across water, to get to Briton... Which by simple symbolic Logic, means they can't get them to North africa... which means...

    They conquered the sahara and the congo by walking mechs from rome, Across the Hellespoint (not by water of course) down Anatolia, through the lavant, across the Sinai and then went loose like two rats fucking in a sock across africa?

    oh, okay. That totally makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:54 No.6431825
    Keep in mind that "Conquer" the Saharra means they say they conquered it. It's not like there's a garrison sitting out there in the middle of nowhere.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:55 No.6431835
    Fulad-zereh meaning "[possessing] steel armor," is the name of a huge horned demon in the Persian story of Amir Arsalan. Early in his career he was the chief general of the fairy king, Malek Khazen, who ruled over the land of Zahrgiah. Fulad-zereh's mother, a powerful witch in her own right, used a charm to make Fulad-zereh's body invulnerable to all weapons except the blows of a specific sword called Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar.

    Persian mythology, peris are descended from fallen angels who have been denied paradise until they have done penance. In earlier sources they are described as agents of evil; later, they are benevolent. They are exquisite, winged, fairy-like creatures ranking between angels and evil spirits. Peris were the target of a lower level of evil beings called Daeva, who persecuted them by locking them in iron cages. This persecution was brought about by, as the divs perceived it, the peris' lack of sufficient self-esteem to join the rebellion against good
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:56 No.6431847
    >so much potential, so little awesome
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:56 No.6431853
    >Across the Hellespoint (not by water of course)

    Really big bridge. The Hellespont is a considerably shorter distance.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:57 No.6431864

    Yeah, it's a shame. Everything was going well until midday came around and the trolls woke up.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:59 No.6431888
    They were on good terms with Egypt, at one point. I imagine that they shipped smiths.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:59 No.6431896

    Just because you got a long so far with a fucked up story, didn't mean trolls woke up.

    I support the idea, your execution is just awful.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:59 No.6431898
    if by trolls you mean people who actually know the time period and cultures you're talking about
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:00 No.6431907

    They could have taken the really long route and come down via the Caucuses.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:01 No.6431912

    The story works fine as is, and so far they have offered up nothing interesting as a substitute, instead simply complaining about everything.

    So yeah, trolls.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:02 No.6431922
    Propose something better then. More realistic, without removing fun.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:04 No.6431944

    Seriously? A really big bridge? And you're going with that?

    that mechs walked from Rome to Timbuktu? Holy balls this is dumb.

    You understand, that huge ships were built to carry many, many ton monoliths out of egypt to Rome.. right?

    Furthermore, since its obvious that you have little understanding of engineering or historical matters.

    What about every single fucking river the army has to cross? It builds a MASSIVE bridge? Mechs are too heavy for boats, but not too heavy for bridges? Do you understand how heavy that mech has to be, to be too heavy for any kind of boat...? which means, every bridge in the empire has to be a stone girdled superstructure, (included the one that crosses the Hellespont) to allow these superheavy mechs across?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:06 No.6431964

    We're not writing a history lesson here. Is it really so hard to take that stick out of your ass and suspend disbelief so as to make a good story?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:09 No.6431997
    you think they would have the luxury to build such ships on the coast of Gaul to get across to Briton?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:10 No.6432007


    I can't see any problems with this.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:10 No.6432013

    Ok, the water crossing thing is inaccurate. Since, boats would apparently be capable of transporting the things.

    Instead of the Romans losing in the British Isles due to not having their favorite toys, they lost because the commander leading the attack was just plain incompetent.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:11 No.6432017
    Your arguments and sarcasm have been noted. Please suggest a better solution, or stop it. Nobody really cares if it's not entirely accurate. The Celts needed an excuse to not get annihilated, and that's what we decided on. We're not dealing with the repercussions. We would be quite willing to hear your better excuse, however.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:11 No.6432023

    Yes. After the Gauls had been conquered their interests were:
    a) drinking wine
    b) out - Romaning the Romans
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:12 No.6432027
    that works just as well

    plus give the celts more mechs to play with
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:12 No.6432041
    Switch out the minuscule Indians with the more appropriate Parthian Empire.

    brains storm a better reason for the Celts for getting where they are more than The Romans for got how to fight and don't know how to make boats big enough to carry large amounts of metal which are both highly unrealistic.
    Also, at least wiki The empires and regions you're talking about so you how they actually dealt with eachother and then modify things accordingly.
    Also, How, so early to Christ actually being around and talking his message of peace and generosity, did the christians become militant cultists? Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:13 No.6432042
    >We would be quite willing to hear your better excuse, however.

    Stonehenge. Seriously, an entire game full of cliched ancient cultures and not one person thought of using Stonehenge as a plot weapon?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:14 No.6432067
    >Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.

    "I come not to bring peace, but a giant fucking mech"
    Basement Dwellers 11:4
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:14 No.6432068

    >1) The romans conquer Briton.
    If you really love the british/celtic culture so much, have them been famous auxiliaries, the best scouts in the empire. The retard Claudius managed to conquer them, it didn't take a Caius Julius.

    >2) Scale back the African conquests.
    Rome doesn't have the population to man forts, or colonies to "own" that worthless, worthless land. Rome would be much more interested in conquering civilized areas that they could just administrate.

    >3) Come up with a sensible dynastic succession.

    >4) Scale back Rome's conquest of central europe and Arabia.
    Keep them stuck to their historical successes, but give Caius Julius the successes he PLANNED to do if he lived, the conquest of Parthia. Thats realistic, fuck, Trajan did it later. Caesar even originally, before his conquest of Gaul, planned on going into Dacia. So maybe give the Empire Dacia too.

    >5) India is no pushover.
    They were not Gaul... the persians had tried to run over India numerous times and the glorious khan had only middling success there. Make them their own kingdom. Tiger riders and shit. Or instead of numerous metallic mechs like the Romans have, give them mountainsized stone temple supermecha.

    6) China needs to be scaled back.

    7) Merge the Huns and the Barbarian tribes, because the Huns were a barbarian tribes, and had no illusions of glorious empire or even being a real civilization. They were just wine drunk monsters.

    Two really big suggestions (least likely to pick)
    A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar
    B) Add Atlantis.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:14 No.6432069
    I... actually like this idea. Brutus had a smallish force, he was reduced by guerrilla tactics, and then smashed by big trees and the nigh indestructible Woaden. No obvious problems on the Romans' parts, but they still managed to lose.
    Then the Boudica struck while they weren't ready and captured the reinforcements in Gaul,
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:14 No.6432071

    Apparently we don't have the hardon for Celtic stuff that we were previously alleged to have
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:15 No.6432073

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:15 No.6432080

    Regional relations kind of become skewed from reality when you have the gods on your side making walking machines and preserving the youth of your emperor.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:16 No.6432095
    Because Christians in real life were always nice to everyone.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:16 No.6432101
    >a giant fucking mech

    Except the Christians don't have mechs. Derp.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:17 No.6432110
    and this is why I had the mongols pushed back through time
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:18 No.6432120
    >A man must climb inside of one, through the mouth, to pilot it

    Throatrape the mechs. Fantastic.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:18 No.6432126

    Wait.. so there are only a dozen gods, the roman pantheon? Even the Romans believed in numerous other gods, from other races.

    Where are the Indian gods, Jehova, Babylonian gods, Zoroaster, etc etc? Why are they not playing the Battle of Troy on a giant scale?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:19 No.6432139
    >A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar

    No need to have Caesar die. Just have the Optimates flee east. Gets you the Byzantines early as a bonus, with Greek fire based theme.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:21 No.6432158
    Rome needs to say in one piece at the moment

    I see no reason to split given that Gaius Julius Caesar is still alive and kicking
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:22 No.6432167

    And Greek based Artemis mechs.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:22 No.6432174
    But the other Nations all have their own Gods/Magic doing the same thing putting them relatively in the same places historically except with bigger weapons.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:24 No.6432191

    The Picts were never conquered. More or less because Scotland was 'Economically useless', those bastards just don't appreciate the beauty Highlands
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:25 No.6432196
    not all of them, at first it was just Rome and other groups were added to give Rome something fight against

    Bascially you get ignored if you don't add much to the setting or subtract from it by making things a jumbled cluster fuck
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:25 No.6432197
    >If you really love the british/celtic culture so much,

    It's less about wanting to preserve the brits and more about wanting an enemy for the Romans on the Western front.

    >Rome would be much more interested in conquering civilized areas that they could just administrate.

    Caesar is aiming for 100% completion on the world domination game.

    >3) Come up with a sensible dynastic succession.

    Julius Caesar is still alive and well thanks to divine intervention keeping him youthful.

    >4) Scale back Rome's conquest of central europe and Arabia.
    >>5) India is no pushover.

    It may be worth noting that a few hundred years have passed since Caesar became emperor. I would think that'd be enough time to accomplish these boundaries.

    >6) China needs to be scaled back.

    Maybe, but in the setting the way things are set up they're more unified and better equipped to put down the surrounding region.

    >7) Merge the Huns and the Barbarian tribes, ... had no illusions of glorious empire or even being a real civilization.

    The Huns in this setting were originally supposed to be Mongolians, but someone said the Huns would be more fitting for the time period. Either way, their culture has been hijacked in this timeline thanks to signing on with eldritch monstrosities.

    >A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar

    Caesar isn't dead.

    >B) Add Atlantis.

    Eh, maybe.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:26 No.6432206

    Caesar is still alive? Then why the talk about Nero?

    Have you read any books on Caesar? He would not take a defeat. Caesar would have built a stone bridge, to dug the chunnel to get to Briton, and massacred every man, woman and child there.

    Caesar did not take defeats. He fought, fought and fought until he slaughtered all who opposed him.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:26 No.6432214
    >More or less because Scotland was 'Economically useless',

    Plus ca change.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:27 No.6432218
    1) it's not about the culture; it's about having them as a discrete faction.
    2) I agree, actually.
    3) You mean as opposed to Nero? I'm all ears. But we need it to be somebody who's a clusterfuck for plot, and having somebody act like Nero just makes it simpler to call him Nero. Plus, name-dropping is something we like to do.
    4) Okay. Why scale back arabia, though? They were basically nobodies; steamrolling should be easy. Sure, there's not a lot of gain, but on the other hand, those nasty Christians are hiding there.
    5) India's already a full faction. We were discussing how to flesh them out when we switched threads. So far we have Avatars of gods as Primary, and Blessed Elephants as Secondary. We need a proper Tertiary, though.
    As for retaining their independence... well, there's still an India, but they've lost a lot of territory.
    6) Perhaps a bit, yes.
    7) The Huns were barbarians, but they are different here. The Barbarians refer to some lose "mercenery" factions, while the Huns are their own proper faction.
    A) Caesar's not dead. He's leading the fight in China.
    B) no lol.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:27 No.6432222
    Caesar is out on the eastern front beating the living shit out of EVERYTHING

    it's really all he gives a fuck about these days

    Nero sits on the throne back home because Caesar doesn't give a fuck about anything except BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:28 No.6432232

    He's on the eastern front, fighting and fighting until the Chinese eventually give in. The Celts can wait, the Chinese can't.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:29 No.6432240
    The romans simple do not have the number of dickswinngers to man a world wide empire. Especially not devote any men to the vast worthless wastes of africa, when you have rich and prosperous India to grab.

    If you want a western foe, the be honest about your gamism. Take Briton and Gaul, and give it to the Atlanteans. Make them your Eldar. Too easy.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:29 No.6432246
    >Okay. Why scale back arabia, though? They were basically nobodies; steamrolling should be easy

    No. Look up "Arabia Felix"
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:30 No.6432253
    especially since who ever bags Boudica gets to be Emperor since Jupiter wants to bang her

    I'd assume Caesar ascends to full godhood at that point and leaves the mortal realm so the next emperor can take over
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:30 No.6432256

    Caesar got pissed about them losing on the eastern front against the Chinese, so he decided to head over there personally because he views their counterattack as a bigger threat than that of the Celts. Nero got shoved on the throne to rule in his place while he's out of town, and so far he's done a lackluster job.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:30 No.6432257
    Christians were largely a tortured and oppressed underground cult until the fall of Rome. Nero used outed Christians as Torches to light his Amphitheater. They didn't become Violent zealots until Byzantine kings made up a divine mandate to rule which is way past this time period.
    Wiki says they have some kind of angle-simulating battle suits. Whether they have mechs or not is kind irrelevant to my point.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:31 No.6432259

    Leaving Nero crying in a corner and cutting himself.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:31 No.6432268

    >Also, How, so early to Christ actually being around and talking his message of peace and generosity, did the christians become militant cultists? Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.

    Mostly because Christian blood is used as the lubrication of the giant war machines of Rome. Also, Jesus is somewehre in a giant mechanical cross, kept alive, never dying. Prisoner of the Romans.

    There's more to it, so read the other three threads.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:32 No.6432278
    they are battle suits, they sacrifice themselves to allow an angel to manifest

    and they will kill their enemies dead several times over
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:33 No.6432286
    >Mostly because Christian blood is used as the lubrication of the giant war machines of Rome.

    In addition to criminals and POWs.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:33 No.6432289
    If Ceasar lives, why not bring back Vercingetorix?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:34 No.6432296
    saying he is kept alive makes it sound like the romans are doing it

    He's alive despite what the romans are doing. They are trying their hardest to kill the fucker but nothing seems to work so at the best they just contain him until they can figure out how to kill him for good.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:35 No.6432308

    Because, you know, that worked out so well for Alexander...
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:35 No.6432310
    How about the chinese kindom proper is actually much smaller, but because of their pervasive culture (and mandate of heaven) the outlying regions are all vassal states (ie japan, etc). Therefore the chinese army is perhaps built out of a number of different types of units, from teracotta golems to monks to samurai to I don't know what. Also allows for more political intrigue.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:35 No.6432311
    I mean "aren't battlesuits", though they do get some fancy cybernetic-like implatned stuff to make up for lost body parts and whatnot when they are revived
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:35 No.6432320

    That's a good possibility.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:36 No.6432326
    well given that both Rome and the Mongol/Huns are breathing down their back they'd be pretty cohesive
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:37 No.6432333
    but its still a good idea for how they are set up politically and what not
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:37 No.6432341
    Turn the other cheek, goddamn.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:38 No.6432353

    This is a different Jesus. Same name and similar rise to prominence, but considerably more militant from the get go.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:39 No.6432369

    In fact, why just have eternal Ceasar? Why not bring back every faction's greatest leader, to make it fairer?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:40 No.6432382
    Alexander didn't have mecha.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:40 No.6432383
    Alexander wasn't an immortal with an army of Giant Robots.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:40 No.6432384
    The problem with that is it directly goes against the policies of the day. Sure everyone spouts Confucianism, but the underlying law were all Legalist philosophy. The Han, which were contemporaries of the Roman Empire, vilified the former Qin as being sadists and villainous book-burners, but the reality was that the strong centralized government became the norm. Look at all the other periods of disunity in China; there is a very strong ideology that reuniting into a single power is the *right* thing to do.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:40 No.6432393
    >What about every single fucking river the army has to cross?

    It's like Oregon Trail.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:42 No.6432411
    If this jesus is a militant warlord.. then he's probably the no shit real messiah the jews have been waiting for.

    Which means all of the jews would be on his side. And more than just the jews, the syrians and others would have bought in. The jews of Alexandria would have gone out and fought to murderous madness against the greeks, and probably stolen Alexandria....

    Have the entire jewish race militant and organized. If this is the real, violent deal.. then there is no fucking around. Jews are crazy.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:42 No.6432412

    Well, The Indians have Ashoka the Great (his whole non-violence thing is part of the reason the Romans do so well). Celts have Boutica. Chinese have Guan Yu (sp?).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:42 No.6432415
    1) the fact that the Romans are keeping jesus alive inside a machine because they can't kill him might have something to do with why the christians are pissed
    2) I think the basic premise is that they summon an 'angel' which is a physical/metaphysical representation of their soul. If it is killed, they die and their soul is obliterated (Ie: no afterlife, game over man, game over)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:43 No.6432424
    turn the other cheek is more about demanding to be treated on equal grounds since if they'd be slapped backhandedly, which was considered degrading in Roman times (and still is). Turning the other cheek is to say "Go on, hit me again" and make it so they can't backhand you.

    Christians in this world don't take any shit however and don't mind resorting to violence once you've shown your true colors to them (i.e. you've no intention of giving them any ground).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:44 No.6432436
    I'm down with these suggestions. No real reason why Caesar should be the only one kept immortal.

    The question is, would an immortal leader fit with every faction?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:44 No.6432447

    The Celts are a problem. They had the mainland hero Vercingetorix and the Briton Boutica, and both would be needed to fight a immortal, Khornate Julius Ceasar.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:45 No.6432450
    Refined Celt fluff:

    Britain was a tantalizing jewel of shore of Gaul, and it was only natural that Caesar should lust after it. So Brutus was sent, as a reward for his aid uncovering an assassination attempt. Soon after, the Celts, commanded by Boudica, He took a full legion, and invaded. But he was unprepared for what met him. His supplies dissipated, in small quantities, during the night. His men were harassed as they marched by blue-faced savages. More than one Man Machine was damaged by a falling tree. The men were quickly exhausted, and injured. And so when they arrived in a circle of standind stones, they were unprepared for what happened. The Machines stopped moving. Brutus set the smiths of Vulkan who had come to work at once. But the blue-faced demons burst from the trees, great clubs in hand. The soldiers drew their blades, but with mere mortal force, the blades glanced off the hides of the blue beasts as though they were cut from stone. the Romans were set upon, and defeated, even before the Treemen stepped out of the forest.

    Boudica was pleased.

    A mere week later, she launched an assault on northern Gaul. The Romans there were caught by surprise, not having heard of the defeat of Brutus, and the Celts successfully seized an additional legion of Man Machines and established a foothold on the continent.

    Any complaints?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:45 No.6432459
    It comes down to this: Christians in this continuity are very, very different from real-life Christians.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:46 No.6432473
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    >Chinese have Guan Yu (sp?).
    We run into a huge amount of trouble here because the Three Kingdoms period is so close to Caesar and such. There are a huge number of famous historical heroes from this era, so it'll be a literal fanwank to decide on them. Though, yes, Guan Yu would be kickass
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:47 No.6432484
    Alexander the not so great mind
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:47 No.6432485
    In that case, stick with Boudica. She's already partially written in.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:48 No.6432490
    But if the surrounding states were loyal enough (outside threats help) but just different enough to have different military units and somewhat different ways of life, and always gave tribute, do you think it would be enough?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:48 No.6432495

    The two who stood out where him and Zhuge Liang.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:48 No.6432502

    Brutus' mummified head still screams nonsense from Boutica's chariot.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:50 No.6432517
    for right now Caesar and Jesus being the only true immortals works fine unless we come up with some others that would convingingly fit the status. Caesar was a semi-immortal but earned his immortality from Jupiter where as Jesus gets it from being who he is.

    there can be semi-immortals (e.g. the christians as a whole, people that wont die unless killed)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:50 No.6432525
    I'd like to add, for the benefits of neckbeards around the world: Guan Yu was said to have such a magnificent beard that he received a special bag (from Cao Cao, no less), to keep it clean. On one occasion, a number of malcontents attempted to rob him. Guan Yu revealed his beard and it alone scared the robbers into submission
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:51 No.6432536

    I'd say all of the faction leaders, blessed by their particular gods or spiritual concepts, would be semi-immortal.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:51 No.6432541

    Well, the Christians won't even die if you kill them. The just resurrect 3 days later, at least, unless you dismember the bodies and burn the remains.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:52 No.6432543
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    >Guan Yu

    Do not want.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:53 No.6432560
    Guan Yu is col but he was just a general under Liu Bei.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:53 No.6432561

    Well, Boutica is uniting the Celtic tribes, and therefore should be becoming more powerful as each tribes gods give her their 'blessing'.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:53 No.6432564
    well thats why they are semi-immortal, since there is a way to kill them
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:54 No.6432571
    maybe. Centralized hierarchy is a real cornerstone of the period. After all, when Qin Shihuang-Di, first emperor of China, conquered his rival Warring States, he literally dismantled every single enemy capital and relocated it, mud-brick by mud-brick, to his own capital. He also moved all the nobles of the enemy states to his own so he could watch over them; in their place he sent officials who were not born in those states (thus they had a greater loyalty to the emperor than to their province). Centralized power isn't a theme here, it's a veritable physical object
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:54 No.6432579
    The problem with everyone having divinity is that basically nobody is going to seriously rebel against you. Nobody is going to try and off you because it is CLEAR that you are the leader.

    And if not everyone has divinity, then it's totally imbalanced because people are always gonna wanna go where the immortals are.

    In that respect, I guess the only real way is to grant all the leaders an aspect of divinity, and fuck rebellion.
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)18:55 No.6432581

    I like my pics with sauce.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:55 No.6432583
    Maybe in real life. But in this continuity? Who knows!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:56 No.6432602

    Koihime Musou. Japan takes China's greatest warriors and turns them into lesbians.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:58 No.6432621
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    >Guan Yu
    >No beard little faggot

    Be gone with this disgrace.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:58 No.6432624
    A people can have definite proof of divinity without the leader being personally made immortal. If the overall faction power is enough to halt the others, people will stick with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:59 No.6432639
    Semi-Immortal can just mean you don't age but can still die of violence and what not, it's not too big of a deal
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)18:59 No.6432643
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    Liu Bei himself is greatly overrated in RoTK and is sort of the hero by default since he 'claims' lineage to Liu Biao, founder of the Han. Cao Cao thus plays the default villain, since he controlled the child emperor until his death (Wei technically wasn't founded until Cao Pi declared it so in 220AD/CE).

    I'd petition that, for certain, Guan Yu and Zhuge Liang appear more often in the fluff (Zhang Fei, too, for drunken humor). Now, if China is still united with these characters all allied together, could you imagine a triple-strategy by Zhuge Liang, Zhou Yu, and Sima Yi? Or the absolute rip-and-tear of Lu Bu, and, well, any of the hundreds of heroes in the story?
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)19:00 No.6432652

    Oh Japan, you so crazy!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:00 No.6432653
    I suppose.
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:05 No.6432710
    Lu Bu is captured and Liu Bei has Coa Coa hang him.
    Also, I nominate Sima Yi as the representative because hes a brilliant tactician and his Grandson is the founder of the Jin Dynasty making him the eventual winner.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:06 No.6432725
    Hey guys, what's the political situation in India? So far all we really have is the suggestion of them being lead by Ashoka the Great.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:08 No.6432749

    Well... they're lead by Ashoka the Great. After suffering a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Romans, he's lost a lot of credibility, but is working to regain it and has made good headway in reclaiming conquered territory.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:10 No.6432767
    I don't believe anyone on /tg/ actually knows anything about roman era India or its culture.
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)19:14 No.6432813

    Well den get learnin' ya gitz!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:15 No.6432815
    Yeah, this seems to be the case. I notice that it seems to have been heavily buddhist, rather than Hindu as we've been assuming. Oh well. These Indians will be Hindu. Ashoka himself was, when he started his conquering.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:17 No.6432848

    Well, Ashoka converted to Buddhism and actively worked to spread it. If we go with the pacifist Buddhism Ashoka then it'd potentially explain why Rome did so well with the initial conquest. Ashoka changes his tune on nonviolence after India gets conquered (a bit late) and decides to actively put his military genius to work in rebelling against the Romans to regain his nation.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:18 No.6432854
    Hmm, it seems to have been a peaceful time, full of hospitals and universities and human rights.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:20 No.6432878
    He was a pacifist when nobody could touch him. I think in this continuity he probably would have never converted.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:21 No.6432888

    Well, presumably no one was fucking with him before the Romans showed up, and he (wrongly) expected to be able to negotiate with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:22 No.6432893
    maybe he converted before Rome showed up?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:22 No.6432895
    Ender's game style india?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:23 No.6432907

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:24 No.6432922

    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)19:25 No.6432924

    Just like the high elves before the daemons popped up!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:27 No.6432956
    So what all has been changed so far?

    British Isles lost due to incompetency rather than logistical issues, and less penetration into Africa. A smaller / less unified China.

    Anything else?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:29 No.6432967
    As Rome expanded Eastward, they encountered India, then ruled by Ashoka the Great. Ashoka was tired of war, having conquered the nations surrounding India and found no joy in it. The advancing general asked that India become a territory of Rome. Ashoka, of course, declined. immediately as soon as word could be gotten to Caesar and back, the order was given. Invade. Ashoka was unwilling to fight the Romans, and they pushed deeply into Indian lands. Ashoka, however, saw that the invading general was cruel, and Ashoka was enraged. He once more took up the sword, and the Roman advance was brought to a halt.

    This day much of India is in Roman hands, and Ashoka, once called Great, now endeavors to regain it through guile.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:30 No.6432991
    Sounds good.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:31 No.6433005
    Solid. What about the Indian forces that we've already thought of can be changed to reflect that increased focus on guile?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:33 No.6433024
    I like it. So that means we just need a proper tertiary unit for the Indians.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:34 No.6433033
    Our elephants can hide behind trees.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:35 No.6433039
    Nobody expects the elephants.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:36 No.6433049

    I dunno, I don't see Rome really asking politely. They march in and start conquering. Ashoka sends multiple people to try to negotiate, but gets no where. His messengers are either sent back or killed depending on the mood of the commander who received them. The Roman Empire subjugates India and Ashoka goes into hiding, trying to discover what went wrong. While Rome begins its invasion of China, Ashoka has a second religious epiphany: Nonviolence is great, but if someone strikes you, hit back. Hard.

    He rallies what people he can (considerably few due to him being disgraced in the last war) and leads a rebellion. He does surprisingly well, taking full advantage of the fact that Rome is preoccupied with China. He manages to reclaim territory while disrupting Roman supply lines leading to Rome's failed invasion of China and the eventual counterattack. People begin to flock back to Ashoka's banner again, and he is even able to enlist the aid of various Hindu avatars.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:36 No.6433055
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:38 No.6433085
    Problem is, they're dumb in large numbers. And large numbers is kind of the point of tertiaries.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:38 No.6433086

    Play up the fact that this is a popular rebellion. Peasants. Lots of them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:40 No.6433100
    monks that have this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:42 No.6433114
    # dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
    # dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away
    # manaḥ-javah: Moving the body wherever thought goes

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:43 No.6433134

    modern terms would be clairvoyance, clairaudience, and teleportation, yes
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:44 No.6433140
    this is some good shit for developing india
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:47 No.6433166
    reading through the Siddhi. India has supers?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:48 No.6433182
    probably takes a long ass time to learn those abilities but yes seems that way
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:50 No.6433203
    For contrast, Other races tertiaries: Woaden, men who's skin can not be cut by a blade. Christians, with divine body parts, immortality, and centuries of experience. Lorica Faulta, power armor. Hun Warriors (who could use another name) fusions of horse archers and eldritch horrors. All of the mercenary races, including Huge-weaponed vikings, djinn controllers, golems and bear cavalry.
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)19:50 No.6433205

    Rome is fucked.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:51 No.6433222
    I don't like any of this. But the only other things they have are cataphracts.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:52 No.6433230
    well, these guys have to go through long, tough training and shit so they are few and far between
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:53 No.6433241

    they are not plot hax supers. the other sides all have some kind of gonzo thing going for them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:53 No.6433242

    1) There's a lot of peasants.
    2) They get a significant bonus when fighting in the presence of an avatar.
    3) They have an ability, so that when individual peasants die they clog up important bits of machinery and / or generally bog the enemy down.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:54 No.6433259

    Really, it's be nice to have a Tertiary that isn't drugged up/superpowered warriors
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:55 No.6433272
    threads been archvied, upvoting would be lovely

    monks trained with some of the weaker siddhi could be tertiary, while those with strong could be secondaries. Those with a pile of them/crazy mastery would be primaries.

    India would be an army that needs CREEEEED level tactics to win to make up for the lack of numbers and highly specialized units.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:56 No.6433283
    How about if we switch it, make the elephants completely mundane, and make them tertiary, and the use siddhis for the secondary?
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)19:56 No.6433288

    I think the Celts are getting a raw deal, perhaps remove the Christians immortality? Or at least make the paint give them super strength.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:57 No.6433294
    that could be an Indian army thats running Hindu swarm style

    having Siddhi supers army as an alternative would be cool too
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:58 No.6433308
    As far as I remember, the deal with the immortality is that the body has to be not entirely destroyed. Thus, certain kinds of dying would make it not kick in.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:58 No.6433311
    I thought it did give them some strength boost? Obviously its no viking rune armor and whatnot but it still lets them fuck shit up
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)19:58 No.6433313
    Lookin' like some heresy there.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:00 No.6433340
    that works too
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:01 No.6433351

    Maybe a strength and speed boost, or even complete invulrability so long as their Druid stays alive.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:01 No.6433356
    They're certainly strong guys. But the main point of the woad is that they can't be cut, which helps a lot against guys with swords, though hitting hard enough will still break bones.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:02 No.6433359

    How about a little bit extra gear for the Chinese

    Lets give'em Feng Shui layline sites with cannons drawing on the power of dragon lines for big ass beam cannons that can even incinerate the great Roman Mechas.

    Of course these super weapons only have so much range and cant be used anywhere BUT the proper laylines thus leading the Chinese to defend at certain "Great Walls" spread around their kingdom
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:04 No.6433389

    How the hell is that going to help against Elephats and dudes in fucking power armour? I think that a strenght boost (not a huge one, like the Viking 'I LIFT TRUCKS,BITCH' strength, but more of a 'watch me break this door down with a punch' strength) would be neccesary.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:05 No.6433393
    hmmm... how about the ability for a druid to extend their abilities through the woad painted men in addition to strength/speed boost.
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:06 No.6433407

    You mean like a WAAAAAAGH power?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:08 No.6433428
    what if they druids could move troops around by going Under the Hill, through the realm of the Fae that is? it is only good for short jumps however because of the time difference. time passes slowly in relation to the outside world.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:09 No.6433434
    Not a bad idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:09 No.6433438
    awesome, combat feng shui all the way!

    Any ideas as to what to steal from taoism to turn into warmachines?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:09 No.6433439
    Problem is, Vikings, Gauls, and Woden get to be real similar that way.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:09 No.6433447
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:11 No.6433462
    Wodens should be able to extend their partered druids focus then for more fae fuckery
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:11 No.6433464
    We really don't need more unit types for the Chinese.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:11 No.6433472
    as in details for their existing unit types
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:12 No.6433482
    It's a matter of emphasis. The Woden are more Druid-centric while the Vikings are more individual-centric.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:14 No.6433505
    I'm just curious what rhe Maya and Cherokee are up to at this point
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:15 No.6433520
    Where do druids even fit into this?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:16 No.6433522
    Fighting the Olmec, for all we know
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:16 No.6433531

    And more naked.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:17 No.6433537
    being ignored since they dont matter

    though the maya or aztec should get undead abominations made of the corpses of their sacrificies in my opinion
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:17 No.6433539
    Significantly more naked.
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:17 No.6433549

    They are the Celts spiritual leaders, and they hear the voice of the gods through rituals and sacrifices.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:18 No.6433557
    they are the celts and britons connection with their divinities
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:18 No.6433558

    And with more heads hanging from their belts.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:18 No.6433561
    You mean tier-wise? We could call them leaders, make them a new thing, or we could call them special Woaden. Or - wait, how 'bout this. You know the treemen, let's say they need a druid to animate. So each treeman has a druid on his head, we treat them like a single unit.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:21 No.6433591
    Maybe the druids can either take up the mantle of a treeman controller or stay on the ground and focus their divine powers on buffing the Woden.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:21 No.6433592
    thats cool

    maybe the woden could be blessed by minor nature fae/spirits to protect them so when they engage a mech in close combat, natural forces tend to lend a helping hand if possible
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:23 No.6433610

    you mean neigong/neijia, I think
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:26 No.6433641

    Even better idea! The old Celtic tradition of taking heads to gain an enemy's strenght is actually true, and their Secondary units, instead of looted Roman crap is Woaden who have slain so many enemies they have become extremely powerful and very large, although not as large as the Treemen
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:29 No.6433671
    fae twisted looted roman crap with plants growing out of it should still be an option though in addition to that

    Options are always nice
    >> Lion'el Richie !HdbvGtoIhw 10/25/09(Sun)20:30 No.6433676

    I agree, options are nice.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:35 No.6433724
    basic woden options

    Woden Team with Druid - the druid can provide defensive and speed buffs to the group

    Fae Blessed Woden Team - this team has constant benefit of being under the watchful eyes of the eye, protecting them by tricking their would be attackers

    Nature Blessed Woden Team - this team has the benefit of being under the protection nature spirits protection, so as long they remain significant vegetation it will work to hinder their enemies
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:41 No.6433779
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:43 No.6433797

    Chinese have Terracotta warriors Taoist Alchemy leading to things like explosives rockets and now the "Great Wall" giving them a defensive edge but not letting them push back too much against Rome
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:44 No.6433805
    Looks much more reasonable
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)20:46 No.6433824

    I'm not so sure about adding Iranians to the mix. They might be rebelling, but I don't think they'd be able to put up that kind of a resistance, because, unlike India, they were more thoroughly conquered before the Empire started running into trouble
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:01 No.6433976
    The skillfulness of your dicking pleases me.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:03 No.6433993
    Qunitus squinted through the visor of his Quirinus VII, sweat dripping down his brow as the midday sun shone through the slitted openings. He gritted his teeth as he surveyed the remains of a machina legion, all of them bore signs of attack by those thrice damned painted men. They may have only been Lares XIs, a simple patrol model, but it still a marvel of Roman development and should have far more than uncultured barbarians could handle.

    He raised his Quirinus's hand up, signaling his own troops to begin investigating the area. He'd find these bastards and when he did he'd be sure to that their blood would lubricate Rome's fine war machines. Qunitus cackled at this thought, it would be a fine punishment for the enemies of Rome, but his musing were interrupted with the sound of unearthly roaring screams and the clash of metal.

    Qunitus looked out to see those filthy painted men climbing upon his men's fine machines as if they were there all along. His jaw gaped, there was no way they could have snook up on them without making a noise in broad daylight. His eyes widened in realization when he noticed the Lares were no longer in his vision. Those fiends, they had tricked his men with their filthy magic!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:04 No.6434000
    agreed, no Iran/Persia/whatever they are called

    if they are there, they are part of rome and just making their own local modifcation to Roman mechs
    >> Warpspasm 10/25/09(Sun)21:04 No.6434001
    So are the areas designated Christian the only places they muster in large numbers, or are they exculisvely Christian controlled mountain fortress type areas?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:07 No.6434026
    Yeah, concur. I could certainly see making a mercenary faction, though. A significant part of Persia probably belonged to India anyway, before this.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:12 No.6434084
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    >Danmark under roman control
    >the place from which historically the greatest viking hailed, under Roman control
    >the home of the greatest of the warriors known for chopping down mechs with giant weapons, conquered by mech army
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:12 No.6434090

    They're exclusively under the control of Christians. Safe havens if you will. There may be Christians in hiding in other places though.
    >> Warpspasm 10/25/09(Sun)21:15 No.6434107
    A faction of units in India?
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:24 No.6434211
    we're at 263 posts

    I suggest we make a new thread and the OP should be a little more informative as to what this is
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:30 No.6434287
    On it. Making it purdy.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:31 No.6434291
    Right, it's probably a total pain to new guys to go back and read.

    We're going to need one badass writefriend to compact everything we've worked out into a couple of posts.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:33 No.6434314
    Both Dan and Mark enjoy being Romans very much.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)21:38 No.6434385
    New thread:

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