are you trying to troll scandinavians, good sir?.

shame on you.

what? Celts independent? Celts rolled over and offered up their oily assholes for citizenship. Why do you think Gaul and Briton were such calm provinces.

Why do the Huns have any kind of empire? They couldn't run a barber shop.

Why the fuck the romans own all of the Central desert wasteland of africa, and the awful jungle.. but when the land opens up and becomes actually nice, they dont? wtf?

Worst map.. evaaaarrr

>>6431182
Well it IS the official map on 1d4chan.

this probably isn't a good time of day for another thread. the trolling level in /tg/ is over 9000 right now.

>Using Google Maps for map making.

Needs more ROME HAS CONQURED!

ITT: Nobody knows what this is. OP should have Machina Dei in subject field and provided a link to the wiki.

>>6431251
Oh, right, sorry.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Machina_Dei

Speaking of Wiki links:
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Machina_Dei

>>6431182
>>6431180

READ THE FUCKING THREADS.

DO IT.

COME BACK WHEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING YOURSELF LOOK RETARDED.

I've never read any of this yet, so I obviously know what the fuck I'm talking about.

But from the very idea of it... What do mechs do?you do? Fight other mechs or wreck buildings and formations.

So out the fuck would mechs lend to combat in india, or on the Sahara. If Germany couldn't maintain a tank in the desert in 1941, how the fuck are the romans?

also; I hope the mechs were invented by the temple of Artemis.

Better outline of nations:
- Rome closer to Trajan borders.
- Confederation of Germans
- China (in a fractured kingdom.. fuck.. use the fallen Han kingdom)
- Give the Huns Central asia
- At least 2 Indian tribes that also rule Afghanistan
- Some uppity spear chuckers.
- And maybe, break the Roman Empire in half.

>>6431182

The Celts are independent because Boudica fucked up Roman shit.

The Huns have an Empire because they were originally Mongols and we decided that the Huns would be more in line with the time period.

And, unless I'm mistaken, the Congo (the unconquered bit directly south) is jungle.

oh, so new thread. Ok. We were working on Indian and Chinese fluff for a bit. Here's what I've recently changed on the wiki for China (if it sounds a bit too much like the description of Cathay in WHFB 6th/7th?, oh well):
>A vast empire governed by ritual and might the Thousand-Year Dynasties proclaim their rule by the Mandate of Heaven. An exotic nation far to the East, it is home to tall tales of unending numbers of tireless troops, monkey sages that trapeze off clouds and can kill a man with a touch, and hulking stone lions that gain life to defend the Forbidden City. Its capital is a bewildering combination of culture and conquest; for every nation under its authority, the Phoenix Emperor demolishes its capital and builds a full-scale replica in his own, consolidating power through the very ties that bind his enemies

somewhat truthful (Qin Shihuang Di did in fact move enemy capitals to his own), though perhaps it would strike my fancy (and those of /tg/'s as well), to have a female Phoenix Empress (like Exalted?).

>>6431182
Most of your complaints would be alleviated by knowing the fluff, however
>Why the fuck the romans own all of the Central desert wasteland of africa, and the awful jungle.. but when the land opens up and becomes actually nice, they dont? wtf?
It's a lot easier to claim empty wastelands than to get forces across jungle and desert to conquer the people who live in the nicer places.

>>6431304
>he Huns have an Empire because they were originally Mongols
This. I believe we're using the idea that the Xiongnu Confederation/Empire did in fact give rise to the Huns (which they may or may not have IRL)

Also, what about changing Jade Wagons to Jade Juggernauts (it also has the same precedence but sounds a bit more... imposing?). I get the idea of those demonic artillery spewing thingys that were part of the WHFB event a few years back

>>6431320

Is that why the Historical Romans so easily ruled over the Germans in their thick forests in the 1st century, and had such a difficult time battling the proto-poles on the other side?

>>6431295

The Roman mechs were crafted by Vulcan and were gifts from the gods as a way of showing support for Caesar's rise to Emperor. Following which, Rome got a lot of shit done.

Also, the Huns are in a symbiotic relationship with shoggoths, the Chinese have scores of terracotta golems, and the Celts have fancy druid shit.

No Persian or Arab Empires

>>6431295
>also; I hope the mechs were invented by the temple of Artemis.
Nope, Vulcan. We figured it fit better since he actually made robot people in RL Grecoroman mythology.

>>6431360

Druid shit isn't fancy though. Thats why it lost so hard in the face. Bad. If you just have a raging hard bonner for wiccan braveheart, then admit it... instead of making up spurious crap like "fancy druid shit."

>>6431355

Conquering Germany goes better when you don't fuck up in that godawful forest.

>>6431362
Wrong time period.

>>6431362
Yes, yes, we know the Persian power of the time, Parthia, decimated Rome at Carrhae, and because of that Caesar came to power. However, this is Rome+mechs. Besides, with the Mongols/Xiongnu have spread farther west and have encountered the western 'barbarians', Han China would not be so beleaguered as to not venture farther conquests west itself

>>6431383

Thats the idea! You mechs aren't going to help you win in a forest. But apparently, they help you win in forests here.. real awesome like. They stroll through the western german forests, alps, AND the fucking Congo. A place whiteman couldn't conquer/know about until the 20th century.

>>6431350
>Jade Wagons to Jade Juggernauts
Jade Wagons sounds like what Chinese people might actually call them though; Jade Juggernaut sounds more like what Blizzard or someone would call them.

>>6431295
You're a couple hundred years ahead of us. Nero has only just been put in charge (Julius Caesar is supernaturally long-lived).

>>6431409

Mechs dispense malaria pills, obviously. Also, good to see that the Romans have learned to desert-proof their machinery

>>6431215

>>6431430

Because Vulcan couldn't do that for them, right? You know, the god that is making these supernatural constructs?

>>6431425

If Julius Caesar is supernaturally long lived, why the fuck would anybody pick the last rotten stepchild of the claudians to inherit the empire?

There, is actually no evidence that Caesar wanted a monarchy. If he died at a time of his choosing, AND wanted a monarchy, he probably would have picked somebody more able than the terrible poet and unlikely Nero.

>>6431430
The mechs are divine in nature. It's not out of the realm of possibility in the least for either.

>>6431425
>Jade Wagons sounds like what Chinese people might actually call them though
hmm, you may be right, though it irks me slightly since the wheelbarrow was just introduced in China at the time... there are mythological tales of iron and wood 'mechs', for a lack of a better term, that spewed fire, and these in a few translations are indeed termed juggernauts.
On a completely different note, Repeater Crossbows.

>>6431408
The Iranians just rolled over?

>>6431456

Vulcan's a god of fire (and, via adoption of Hephaestus, blacksmiths). Anything provided by him should be dirty, smoggy etc, not clean and reliable.

>>6431470
Sounds like they did the work for us.

>>6431409
They don't stroll through alps, the alps were a bitch to get through. But yeah, jungles and forests are much easier with mechs. Not so great at oceans though, which is why the Celts are independent.

>>6431477
>not reliable
Says who?

seriously OP dont just post fucking links to the old threads assuming new people are going to look at them, post information for them as well

>>6431477

As the god of blacksmiths, the things he creates should be reliable. You aren't gonna be a very good god of blacksmiths if the stuff you make keeps breaking.

>>6431495

He's a god for blacksmiths. Iron, forges etc. Functionality over form. Nature tamed by strength etc.

>Functionality over form. Nature tamed by strength etc.

So, he'd create something that's reliable and good at fucking up nature? Kinda like those pesky forests.

>>6431489
?!?!
What kind of fucked up fanboy logic is this?

Romans ACTUALLY conquered the gauls and british... VERY EASILY with boats.

But given mechs, giant robot fucks.. they CANT? Furthermore, they leave the easy prey, and go attack into dense forests, and across the largest desert in the world, to CONQUER caveman tribes...

This is fucked up, and backwards. Just admit you have retarded curly irish red pubes, and <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<3 the Gauls. Its terrible history, and worse ahistorical material.

>>6431474
Well, we could always reintroduce Parthia, though I doubt the effectiveness of Cataphracts against a Colossus and I don't know enough Persian mythology to make much of it. Parthia was the middleman between Rome and the Han; power projection for the two ends was too difficult under normal circumstances. With Mechs and Dragons, though?

>>6431513

Reliable was perhaps the wrong word. I'd envisage them as coughing into action emitting a cloud of steam, rather than a gently rising hum or whatever. 100% effectiveness in a desert doesn;t really fit with that.

we don't need more factions

we need more fluff on the existing factions

like specific units and their armaments

>>6431470
Those are called Sho-Ko-Nu. I believe we established that they were pretty much standard for large portions of the terracotta army. First or second thread, I don't remember any more.

Lorica Faulta.No matter how true it is, is any general really going to send his men into battle with something that's actually named as defective?

>>6431560
it's not defective in the sense as its broken, just as its not up to par with the man machines

>But given mechs, giant robot fucks.. they CANT?

Well, they did conquer Gaul without a hitch before they got mechs. However, the mechs were too big / heavy to transport across to the British Isles, and by the time they started that campaign, the commanders had grown overly reliant on the mechs. Fighting out of their element, Boudica was able to successfully fend off the Romans and stage a counterattack where she captured the northern bit of Gaul.

>>6431532

If you had actually read the previous threads, you'd know that they had become too reliant upon their mechs, which they were unable to properly carry on boats over the channel.

>>6431408
>Western barbarians

History fail. The Chinese considered the Romans to be a civilised people. Google Daqin

>>6431532
How do you get a mech on a boat, broski? It doesn't work that well. believe me, we spent something like 50 posts debating it.

>>6431474
They didn't get anything supernatural. Their gods were bitches.

>>6431569

Yes, but is that going to be admitted? Would they really call the units "Faulty Body Armour" or would they use a euphemism?

>>6431608
probably a euphemism to chastise those who made it

>>6431590
1. It was the Huns doing the considering
2. He meant the people referred to as "Barbarians" on the map, primarily Norse and Rus.

Who the fuck made this map? You should feel bad.

>>6431590
The Chinese also considered the Persians as Civilized equals. Quite a few Chinese Empresses came from Persia.

>>6431636

9001 hours in mspaint

make a better one

>>6431563
Perhaps, though I'd suspect the vast amount of silk trade from China to Rome was a large motivator. On a more historical note, we do have the Battle of Zhizhi, where some scholars have argued that a number of Roman soldiers who were captured at Carrhae were sent to defend the Western Xiongnu's eastern borders... whereupon they came upon a Han army.
One of the Han generals references the use a peculiar "fish-scale" shield formation, perhaps the tetsudo formation of the legionaries. The outcome? poor motivation meant that the Han heavy cavalry rode all over them.

>>6431636
Considering it was something like 10 hours ago, I doubt he's here now.

>>6431584

Too reliant? So they're not romans?

If you ask anyone who took a history class, "what was the one things romans were good at?"

Answer: "Adapting".


stuuuuuuupid.

>>6431646
Just take the map from nations game you fagtard, it's not that hard. You can even keep on using paint.

>>6431657

For some reason, I doubt you can come up with a better setting piece, Mr. Rain on Everyone's Parade.

>>6431657

Unless they were in a certain forest or a certain desert.

After steamrolling everything with their shiny new toys, the commanders got lazy and paid the penalty. So far the Romans haven't been able to mount a second offensive to any appreciable degree because the majority of their troops are on the other side of the empire.

>>6431699

And of course there's no way they could recruit some more from the inexhaustable mob that led to most of Rome's problems? Or raise auxilliaries.

>>6431657
When your gods give you giant robots to fuck shit up with are you going to say "nah don't need 'em, I got this covered." They grew reliant on their mecha because it made fucking easy to just steam roll over an area and throw in foot soldiers to keep the peace.

Then when it came time to go across the ocean they couldn't bring along a large force of mechs and the commander there wasn't able to adapt quick enough to handle the britons.

Romans in general are adaptive, but not ever single commander is going to adapt to everything on the fly perfectly.

>>6431719
They like using mechs. And are facing mech-level enemies. You're suggesting they send a bunch of ordinary soldiers against the captured mechs and Treemen?

>>6431719
they also have to deal with the christians who can pop out of no where and wreck havoc as well as keeping order

plus making mechs isn't quick nor easy

>>6431682


I've put a reply. Have all of Briton be Roman. If you love the shit out of some stupid Gauls, make them a crazy auxiliary or something. Don't say the Romans could conquer the lifeless Sahara and all the way past the congo, but can't conquer Briton. That doesn't make any sense.

>>6431719

It's too late for that. Boudica and crew have set up camp and have been actively playing for keeps instead of treating it like child's play the way the Romans did. Now they're utilizing captured Roman mechs and ents, which prove to be a bit much for a newly raised undisciplined army.

Additionally, Rome doesn't see them as being high on their list of problems. The Huns who have recently begun invading the Empire and the Chinese counterattack are a much higher priority, leading to all the best and brightest being sent to the east.

Right now Rome is set to hold the Celts at bay and prevent them from taking any more territory, but they need to regain their balance and take care of more important problems before they can crush the upstarts.

>all the way past the congo,

They didn't.

>>6431657
>>6431755
Keep in mind that the commander here was Brutus; not a man trained as a general. He was merely being rewarded for uncovering an attempt on the Caesar's life.

>>6431755

Wait... they can't get them across water, to get to Briton... Which by simple symbolic Logic, means they can't get them to North africa... which means...

They conquered the sahara and the congo by walking mechs from rome, Across the Hellespoint (not by water of course) down Anatolia, through the lavant, across the Sinai and then went loose like two rats fucking in a sock across africa?

oh, okay. That totally makes sense.

>>6431782
Keep in mind that "Conquer" the Saharra means they say they conquered it. It's not like there's a garrison sitting out there in the middle of nowhere.

>>6431595
Fulad-zereh meaning "[possessing] steel armor," is the name of a huge horned demon in the Persian story of Amir Arsalan. Early in his career he was the chief general of the fairy king, Malek Khazen, who ruled over the land of Zahrgiah. Fulad-zereh's mother, a powerful witch in her own right, used a charm to make Fulad-zereh's body invulnerable to all weapons except the blows of a specific sword called Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar.

Persian mythology, peris are descended from fallen angels who have been denied paradise until they have done penance. In earlier sources they are described as agents of evil; later, they are benevolent. They are exquisite, winged, fairy-like creatures ranking between angels and evil spirits. Peris were the target of a lower level of evil beings called Daeva, who persecuted them by locking them in iron cages. This persecution was brought about by, as the divs perceived it, the peris' lack of sufficient self-esteem to join the rebellion against good

>so much potential, so little awesome

>>6431821
>Across the Hellespoint (not by water of course)

Really big bridge. The Hellespont is a considerably shorter distance.

>>6431847

Yeah, it's a shame. Everything was going well until midday came around and the trolls woke up.

>>6431821
They were on good terms with Egypt, at one point. I imagine that they shipped smiths.

>>6431864

Just because you got a long so far with a fucked up story, didn't mean trolls woke up.

I support the idea, your execution is just awful.

>>6431864
if by trolls you mean people who actually know the time period and cultures you're talking about

>>6431821

They could have taken the really long route and come down via the Caucuses.

>>6431896

The story works fine as is, and so far they have offered up nothing interesting as a substitute, instead simply complaining about everything.

So yeah, trolls.

>>6431896
>>6431898
Propose something better then. More realistic, without removing fun.

>>6431853

Seriously? A really big bridge? And you're going with that?

that mechs walked from Rome to Timbuktu? Holy balls this is dumb.

You understand, that huge ships were built to carry many, many ton monoliths out of egypt to Rome.. right?

Furthermore, since its obvious that you have little understanding of engineering or historical matters.

What about every single fucking river the army has to cross? It builds a MASSIVE bridge? Mechs are too heavy for boats, but not too heavy for bridges? Do you understand how heavy that mech has to be, to be too heavy for any kind of boat...? which means, every bridge in the empire has to be a stone girdled superstructure, (included the one that crosses the Hellespont) to allow these superheavy mechs across?

>>6431944

We're not writing a history lesson here. Is it really so hard to take that stick out of your ass and suspend disbelief so as to make a good story?

>>6431944
you think they would have the luxury to build such ships on the coast of Gaul to get across to Briton?

>>6431944

mechswalkinginformationonbridge.jpg

I can't see any problems with this.

>>6431944

Ok, the water crossing thing is inaccurate. Since, boats would apparently be capable of transporting the things.

Instead of the Romans losing in the British Isles due to not having their favorite toys, they lost because the commander leading the attack was just plain incompetent.

>>6431944
Your arguments and sarcasm have been noted. Please suggest a better solution, or stop it. Nobody really cares if it's not entirely accurate. The Celts needed an excuse to not get annihilated, and that's what we decided on. We're not dealing with the repercussions. We would be quite willing to hear your better excuse, however.

>>6431997

Yes. After the Gauls had been conquered their interests were:
a) drinking wine
b) out - Romaning the Romans

>>6432013
that works just as well

plus give the celts more mechs to play with

>>6431922
Switch out the minuscule Indians with the more appropriate Parthian Empire.

brains storm a better reason for the Celts for getting where they are more than The Romans for got how to fight and don't know how to make boats big enough to carry large amounts of metal which are both highly unrealistic.
Also, at least wiki The empires and regions you're talking about so you how they actually dealt with eachother and then modify things accordingly.
Also, How, so early to Christ actually being around and talking his message of peace and generosity, did the christians become militant cultists? Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.

>>6432017
>We would be quite willing to hear your better excuse, however.

Stonehenge. Seriously, an entire game full of cliched ancient cultures and not one person thought of using Stonehenge as a plot weapon?

>Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.

"I come not to bring peace, but a giant fucking mech"
Basement Dwellers 11:4

>>6431922

>1) The romans conquer Briton.
If you really love the british/celtic culture so much, have them been famous auxiliaries, the best scouts in the empire. The retard Claudius managed to conquer them, it didn't take a Caius Julius.

>2) Scale back the African conquests.
Rome doesn't have the population to man forts, or colonies to "own" that worthless, worthless land. Rome would be much more interested in conquering civilized areas that they could just administrate.

>3) Come up with a sensible dynastic succession.

>4) Scale back Rome's conquest of central europe and Arabia.
Keep them stuck to their historical successes, but give Caius Julius the successes he PLANNED to do if he lived, the conquest of Parthia. Thats realistic, fuck, Trajan did it later. Caesar even originally, before his conquest of Gaul, planned on going into Dacia. So maybe give the Empire Dacia too.

>5) India is no pushover.
They were not Gaul... the persians had tried to run over India numerous times and the glorious khan had only middling success there. Make them their own kingdom. Tiger riders and shit. Or instead of numerous metallic mechs like the Romans have, give them mountainsized stone temple supermecha.

6) China needs to be scaled back.

7) Merge the Huns and the Barbarian tribes, because the Huns were a barbarian tribes, and had no illusions of glorious empire or even being a real civilization. They were just wine drunk monsters.

Two really big suggestions (least likely to pick)
A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar
B) Add Atlantis.

>>6432013
I... actually like this idea. Brutus had a smallish force, he was reduced by guerrilla tactics, and then smashed by big trees and the nigh indestructible Woaden. No obvious problems on the Romans' parts, but they still managed to lose.
Then the Boudica struck while they weren't ready and captured the reinforcements in Gaul,

>>6432042

Apparently we don't have the hardon for Celtic stuff that we were previously alleged to have

>>6432041
WE ARE MAKING AN ALTERNATE HISTORY, JESUS IS GRIMDARK AS PER THE RULE OF COOL

WE CAN CHANGE SHIT IF WE WANT TO

>>6432041

Regional relations kind of become skewed from reality when you have the gods on your side making walking machines and preserving the youth of your emperor.

>>6432067
Because Christians in real life were always nice to everyone.

>>6432067
>a giant fucking mech

Except the Christians don't have mechs. Derp.

>>6432068
and this is why I had the mongols pushed back through time

>A man must climb inside of one, through the mouth, to pilot it

Throatrape the mechs. Fantastic.

>>6432080

Wait.. so there are only a dozen gods, the roman pantheon? Even the Romans believed in numerous other gods, from other races.

Where are the Indian gods, Jehova, Babylonian gods, Zoroaster, etc etc? Why are they not playing the Battle of Troy on a giant scale?

>>6432068
>A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar

No need to have Caesar die. Just have the Optimates flee east. Gets you the Byzantines early as a bonus, with Greek fire based theme.

Rome needs to say in one piece at the moment

I see no reason to split given that Gaius Julius Caesar is still alive and kicking

>>6432139

And Greek based Artemis mechs.

>>6432080
But the other Nations all have their own Gods/Magic doing the same thing putting them relatively in the same places historically except with bigger weapons.

>>6431182

The Picts were never conquered. More or less because Scotland was 'Economically useless', those bastards just don't appreciate the beauty Highlands

>>6432174
not all of them, at first it was just Rome and other groups were added to give Rome something fight against

Bascially you get ignored if you don't add much to the setting or subtract from it by making things a jumbled cluster fuck

>If you really love the british/celtic culture so much,

It's less about wanting to preserve the brits and more about wanting an enemy for the Romans on the Western front.

>Rome would be much more interested in conquering civilized areas that they could just administrate.

Caesar is aiming for 100% completion on the world domination game.

>3) Come up with a sensible dynastic succession.

Julius Caesar is still alive and well thanks to divine intervention keeping him youthful.

>4) Scale back Rome's conquest of central europe and Arabia.
>>5) India is no pushover.

It may be worth noting that a few hundred years have passed since Caesar became emperor. I would think that'd be enough time to accomplish these boundaries.

>6) China needs to be scaled back.

Maybe, but in the setting the way things are set up they're more unified and better equipped to put down the surrounding region.

>7) Merge the Huns and the Barbarian tribes, ... had no illusions of glorious empire or even being a real civilization.

The Huns in this setting were originally supposed to be Mongolians, but someone said the Huns would be more fitting for the time period. Either way, their culture has been hijacked in this timeline thanks to signing on with eldritch monstrosities.

>A) Split the Roman Empire in half, in a civil war after the death of Caesar

Caesar isn't dead.

>B) Add Atlantis.

Eh, maybe.

>>6432158

Caesar is still alive? Then why the talk about Nero?

Have you read any books on Caesar? He would not take a defeat. Caesar would have built a stone bridge, to dug the chunnel to get to Briton, and massacred every man, woman and child there.

Caesar did not take defeats. He fought, fought and fought until he slaughtered all who opposed him.

>>6432191
>More or less because Scotland was 'Economically useless',

Plus ca change.

>>6432068
1) it's not about the culture; it's about having them as a discrete faction.
2) I agree, actually.
3) You mean as opposed to Nero? I'm all ears. But we need it to be somebody who's a clusterfuck for plot, and having somebody act like Nero just makes it simpler to call him Nero. Plus, name-dropping is something we like to do.
4) Okay. Why scale back arabia, though? They were basically nobodies; steamrolling should be easy. Sure, there's not a lot of gain, but on the other hand, those nasty Christians are hiding there.
5) India's already a full faction. We were discussing how to flesh them out when we switched threads. So far we have Avatars of gods as Primary, and Blessed Elephants as Secondary. We need a proper Tertiary, though.
As for retaining their independence... well, there's still an India, but they've lost a lot of territory.
6) Perhaps a bit, yes.
7) The Huns were barbarians, but they are different here. The Barbarians refer to some lose "mercenery" factions, while the Huns are their own proper faction.
A) Caesar's not dead. He's leading the fight in China.
B) no lol.

>>6432206
Caesar is out on the eastern front beating the living shit out of EVERYTHING

it's really all he gives a fuck about these days

Nero sits on the throne back home because Caesar doesn't give a fuck about anything except BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

>>6432206

He's on the eastern front, fighting and fighting until the Chinese eventually give in. The Celts can wait, the Chinese can't.

The romans simple do not have the number of dickswinngers to man a world wide empire. Especially not devote any men to the vast worthless wastes of africa, when you have rich and prosperous India to grab.

If you want a western foe, the be honest about your gamism. Take Briton and Gaul, and give it to the Atlanteans. Make them your Eldar. Too easy.

>>6432218
>Okay. Why scale back arabia, though? They were basically nobodies; steamrolling should be easy

No. Look up "Arabia Felix"

>>6432232
especially since who ever bags Boudica gets to be Emperor since Jupiter wants to bang her

I'd assume Caesar ascends to full godhood at that point and leaves the mortal realm so the next emperor can take over

>>6432206

Caesar got pissed about them losing on the eastern front against the Chinese, so he decided to head over there personally because he views their counterattack as a bigger threat than that of the Celts. Nero got shoved on the throne to rule in his place while he's out of town, and so far he's done a lackluster job.

>>6432095
Christians were largely a tortured and oppressed underground cult until the fall of Rome. Nero used outed Christians as Torches to light his Amphitheater. They didn't become Violent zealots until Byzantine kings made up a divine mandate to rule which is way past this time period.
>>6432101
Wiki says they have some kind of angle-simulating battle suits. Whether they have mechs or not is kind irrelevant to my point.

>>6432253

Leaving Nero crying in a corner and cutting himself.

>>6432041

>Also, How, so early to Christ actually being around and talking his message of peace and generosity, did the christians become militant cultists? Meek inheriting the earth doesn't exactly match up with building giant robots to destroy Caesar.

Mostly because Christian blood is used as the lubrication of the giant war machines of Rome. Also, Jesus is somewehre in a giant mechanical cross, kept alive, never dying. Prisoner of the Romans.

There's more to it, so read the other three threads.

>>6432257
they are battle suits, they sacrifice themselves to allow an angel to manifest

and they will kill their enemies dead several times over

>Mostly because Christian blood is used as the lubrication of the giant war machines of Rome.

In addition to criminals and POWs.

If Ceasar lives, why not bring back Vercingetorix?

>>6432268
saying he is kept alive makes it sound like the romans are doing it

He's alive despite what the romans are doing. They are trying their hardest to kill the fucker but nothing seems to work so at the best they just contain him until they can figure out how to kill him for good.

>>6432222

Because, you know, that worked out so well for Alexander...

How about the chinese kindom proper is actually much smaller, but because of their pervasive culture (and mandate of heaven) the outlying regions are all vassal states (ie japan, etc). Therefore the chinese army is perhaps built out of a number of different types of units, from teracotta golems to monks to samurai to I don't know what. Also allows for more political intrigue.

>>6432278
I mean "aren't battlesuits", though they do get some fancy cybernetic-like implatned stuff to make up for lost body parts and whatnot when they are revived

>>6432310

That's a good possibility.

>>6432310
well given that both Rome and the Mongol/Huns are breathing down their back they'd be pretty cohesive

>>6432326
but its still a good idea for how they are set up politically and what not

>>6432268
>>6432286
Turn the other cheek, goddamn.

>>6432341

This is a different Jesus. Same name and similar rise to prominence, but considerably more militant from the get go.

>>6432289

In fact, why just have eternal Ceasar? Why not bring back every faction's greatest leader, to make it fairer?

>>6432308
Alexander didn't have mecha.

>>6432308
Alexander wasn't an immortal with an army of Giant Robots.

>>6432310
The problem with that is it directly goes against the policies of the day. Sure everyone spouts Confucianism, but the underlying law were all Legalist philosophy. The Han, which were contemporaries of the Roman Empire, vilified the former Qin as being sadists and villainous book-burners, but the reality was that the strong centralized government became the norm. Look at all the other periods of disunity in China; there is a very strong ideology that reuniting into a single power is the *right* thing to do.

>What about every single fucking river the army has to cross?

It's like Oregon Trail.

FORD THE RIVER

If this jesus is a militant warlord.. then he's probably the no shit real messiah the jews have been waiting for.

Which means all of the jews would be on his side. And more than just the jews, the syrians and others would have bought in. The jews of Alexandria would have gone out and fought to murderous madness against the greeks, and probably stolen Alexandria....

Have the entire jewish race militant and organized. If this is the real, violent deal.. then there is no fucking around. Jews are crazy.

>>6432369

Well, The Indians have Ashoka the Great (his whole non-violence thing is part of the reason the Romans do so well). Celts have Boutica. Chinese have Guan Yu (sp?).

>>6432257
1) the fact that the Romans are keeping jesus alive inside a machine because they can't kill him might have something to do with why the christians are pissed
2) I think the basic premise is that they summon an 'angel' which is a physical/metaphysical representation of their soul. If it is killed, they die and their soul is obliterated (Ie: no afterlife, game over man, game over)

>>6432341
turn the other cheek is more about demanding to be treated on equal grounds since if they'd be slapped backhandedly, which was considered degrading in Roman times (and still is). Turning the other cheek is to say "Go on, hit me again" and make it so they can't backhand you.

Christians in this world don't take any shit however and don't mind resorting to violence once you've shown your true colors to them (i.e. you've no intention of giving them any ground).

>>6432369
>>6432289
I'm down with these suggestions. No real reason why Caesar should be the only one kept immortal.

The question is, would an immortal leader fit with every faction?

>>6432412

The Celts are a problem. They had the mainland hero Vercingetorix and the Briton Boutica, and both would be needed to fight a immortal, Khornate Julius Ceasar.

Refined Celt fluff:


Britain was a tantalizing jewel of shore of Gaul, and it was only natural that Caesar should lust after it. So Brutus was sent, as a reward for his aid uncovering an assassination attempt. Soon after, the Celts, commanded by Boudica, He took a full legion, and invaded. But he was unprepared for what met him. His supplies dissipated, in small quantities, during the night. His men were harassed as they marched by blue-faced savages. More than one Man Machine was damaged by a falling tree. The men were quickly exhausted, and injured. And so when they arrived in a circle of standind stones, they were unprepared for what happened. The Machines stopped moving. Brutus set the smiths of Vulkan who had come to work at once. But the blue-faced demons burst from the trees, great clubs in hand. The soldiers drew their blades, but with mere mortal force, the blades glanced off the hides of the blue beasts as though they were cut from stone. the Romans were set upon, and defeated, even before the Treemen stepped out of the forest.

Boudica was pleased.

A mere week later, she launched an assault on northern Gaul. The Romans there were caught by surprise, not having heard of the defeat of Brutus, and the Celts successfully seized an additional legion of Man Machines and established a foothold on the continent.


Any complaints?

>>6432424
It comes down to this: Christians in this continuity are very, very different from real-life Christians.

>>6432450
STONEHENGE FAE WEAPON!

>>6432412
>Chinese have Guan Yu (sp?).
We run into a huge amount of trouble here because the Three Kingdoms period is so close to Caesar and such. There are a huge number of famous historical heroes from this era, so it'll be a literal fanwank to decide on them. Though, yes, Guan Yu would be kickass

>>6432382
>>6432383
Alexander the not so great mind

>>6432447
In that case, stick with Boudica. She's already partially written in.

>>6432384
But if the surrounding states were loyal enough (outside threats help) but just different enough to have different military units and somewhat different ways of life, and always gave tribute, do you think it would be enough?

>>6432482

The two who stood out where him and Zhuge Liang.

>>6432450

Brutus' mummified head still screams nonsense from Boutica's chariot.

>>6432436
for right now Caesar and Jesus being the only true immortals works fine unless we come up with some others that would convingingly fit the status. Caesar was a semi-immortal but earned his immortality from Jupiter where as Jesus gets it from being who he is.

there can be semi-immortals (e.g. the christians as a whole, people that wont die unless killed)

>>6432482
I'd like to add, for the benefits of neckbeards around the world: Guan Yu was said to have such a magnificent beard that he received a special bag (from Cao Cao, no less), to keep it clean. On one occasion, a number of malcontents attempted to rob him. Guan Yu revealed his beard and it alone scared the robbers into submission

>>6432517

I'd say all of the faction leaders, blessed by their particular gods or spiritual concepts, would be semi-immortal.

>>6432517

Well, the Christians won't even die if you kill them. The just resurrect 3 days later, at least, unless you dismember the bodies and burn the remains.

>>6432525
THE ULTIMATE NECKBEARD

>>6432525
>Guan Yu
>beard

Do not want.

>>6432482
Guan Yu is col but he was just a general under Liu Bei.

>>6432517

Well, Boutica is uniting the Celtic tribes, and therefore should be becoming more powerful as each tribes gods give her their 'blessing'.

>>6432541
well thats why they are semi-immortal, since there is a way to kill them

>>6432490
maybe. Centralized hierarchy is a real cornerstone of the period. After all, when Qin Shihuang-Di, first emperor of China, conquered his rival Warring States, he literally dismantled every single enemy capital and relocated it, mud-brick by mud-brick, to his own capital. He also moved all the nobles of the enemy states to his own so he could watch over them; in their place he sent officials who were not born in those states (thus they had a greater loyalty to the emperor than to their province). Centralized power isn't a theme here, it's a veritable physical object

>>6432536
The problem with everyone having divinity is that basically nobody is going to seriously rebel against you. Nobody is going to try and off you because it is CLEAR that you are the leader.

And if not everyone has divinity, then it's totally imbalanced because people are always gonna wanna go where the immortals are.

In that respect, I guess the only real way is to grant all the leaders an aspect of divinity, and fuck rebellion.

>>6432556

I like my pics with sauce.

>>6432560
Maybe in real life. But in this continuity? Who knows!

>>6432581

Koihime Musou. Japan takes China's greatest warriors and turns them into lesbians.

>>6432556
>Guan Yu
>No beard little faggot

Be gone with this disgrace.

>>6432579
A people can have definite proof of divinity without the leader being personally made immortal. If the overall faction power is enough to halt the others, people will stick with them.

Semi-Immortal can just mean you don't age but can still die of violence and what not, it's not too big of a deal

>>6432560
Liu Bei himself is greatly overrated in RoTK and is sort of the hero by default since he 'claims' lineage to Liu Biao, founder of the Han. Cao Cao thus plays the default villain, since he controlled the child emperor until his death (Wei technically wasn't founded until Cao Pi declared it so in 220AD/CE).

I'd petition that, for certain, Guan Yu and Zhuge Liang appear more often in the fluff (Zhang Fei, too, for drunken humor). Now, if China is still united with these characters all allied together, could you imagine a triple-strategy by Zhuge Liang, Zhou Yu, and Sima Yi? Or the absolute rip-and-tear of Lu Bu, and, well, any of the hundreds of heroes in the story?

>>6432602

Oh Japan, you so crazy!

>>6432624
I suppose.
HERE I COME WHEEL OF REINCARNATION

>>6432621
>faggot
>woman

>>6432643
Lu Bu is captured and Liu Bei has Coa Coa hang him.
Also, I nominate Sima Yi as the representative because hes a brilliant tactician and his Grandson is the founder of the Jin Dynasty making him the eventual winner.

Hey guys, what's the political situation in India? So far all we really have is the suggestion of them being lead by Ashoka the Great.

>>6432725

Well... they're lead by Ashoka the Great. After suffering a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Romans, he's lost a lot of credibility, but is working to regain it and has made good headway in reclaiming conquered territory.

>>6432725
I don't believe anyone on /tg/ actually knows anything about roman era India or its culture.

>>6432767

Well den get learnin' ya gitz!

>>6432767
Yeah, this seems to be the case. I notice that it seems to have been heavily buddhist, rather than Hindu as we've been assuming. Oh well. These Indians will be Hindu. Ashoka himself was, when he started his conquering.

>>6432815

Well, Ashoka converted to Buddhism and actively worked to spread it. If we go with the pacifist Buddhism Ashoka then it'd potentially explain why Rome did so well with the initial conquest. Ashoka changes his tune on nonviolence after India gets conquered (a bit late) and decides to actively put his military genius to work in rebelling against the Romans to regain his nation.

>>6432813
Hmm, it seems to have been a peaceful time, full of hospitals and universities and human rights.

>>6432848
He was a pacifist when nobody could touch him. I think in this continuity he probably would have never converted.

>>6432878

Well, presumably no one was fucking with him before the Romans showed up, and he (wrongly) expected to be able to negotiate with them.

>>6432878
maybe he converted before Rome showed up?

>>6432848
Ender's game style india?

>>6432895

THE ENEMIES GATE IS DOWN ASHOKA!

>>6432907

FUCK WRONG ENEMY'S

>>6432888

Just like the high elves before the daemons popped up!

So what all has been changed so far?

British Isles lost due to incompetency rather than logistical issues, and less penetration into Africa. A smaller / less unified China.

Anything else?

As Rome expanded Eastward, they encountered India, then ruled by Ashoka the Great. Ashoka was tired of war, having conquered the nations surrounding India and found no joy in it. The advancing general asked that India become a territory of Rome. Ashoka, of course, declined. immediately as soon as word could be gotten to Caesar and back, the order was given. Invade. Ashoka was unwilling to fight the Romans, and they pushed deeply into Indian lands. Ashoka, however, saw that the invading general was cruel, and Ashoka was enraged. He once more took up the sword, and the Roman advance was brought to a halt.

This day much of India is in Roman hands, and Ashoka, once called Great, now endeavors to regain it through guile.

>>6432967
Sounds good.

>>6432967
Solid. What about the Indian forces that we've already thought of can be changed to reflect that increased focus on guile?

>>6432967
I like it. So that means we just need a proper tertiary unit for the Indians.

>>6433005
Our elephants can hide behind trees.

>>6433033
Nobody expects the elephants.

>>6432967

I dunno, I don't see Rome really asking politely. They march in and start conquering. Ashoka sends multiple people to try to negotiate, but gets no where. His messengers are either sent back or killed depending on the mood of the commander who received them. The Roman Empire subjugates India and Ashoka goes into hiding, trying to discover what went wrong. While Rome begins its invasion of China, Ashoka has a second religious epiphany: Nonviolence is great, but if someone strikes you, hit back. Hard.

He rallies what people he can (considerably few due to him being disgraced in the last war) and leads a rebellion. He does surprisingly well, taking full advantage of the fact that Rome is preoccupied with China. He manages to reclaim territory while disrupting Roman supply lines leading to Rome's failed invasion of China and the eventual counterattack. People begin to flock back to Ashoka's banner again, and he is even able to enlist the aid of various Hindu avatars.

>>6433024
Monks?

>>6433055
Problem is, they're dumb in large numbers. And large numbers is kind of the point of tertiaries.

>>6433005

Play up the fact that this is a popular rebellion. Peasants. Lots of them.

>>6433055
monks that have this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi

>>6433100
# dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
# dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away
# manaḥ-javah: Moving the body wherever thought goes

INDIA HAS RADAR AND TELEPORTATION?

>>6433114

modern terms would be clairvoyance, clairaudience, and teleportation, yes

>>6433100
this is some good shit for developing india

reading through the Siddhi. India has supers?

>>6433166
probably takes a long ass time to learn those abilities but yes seems that way

>>6433086
For contrast, Other races tertiaries: Woaden, men who's skin can not be cut by a blade. Christians, with divine body parts, immortality, and centuries of experience. Lorica Faulta, power armor. Hun Warriors (who could use another name) fusions of horse archers and eldritch horrors. All of the mercenary races, including Huge-weaponed vikings, djinn controllers, golems and bear cavalry.

>>6433114

Rome is fucked.

I don't like any of this. But the only other things they have are cataphracts.

>>6433205
well, these guys have to go through long, tough training and shit so they are few and far between

>>6433205

they are not plot hax supers. the other sides all have some kind of gonzo thing going for them.

>>6433203

1) There's a lot of peasants.
2) They get a significant bonus when fighting in the presence of an avatar.
3) They have an ability, so that when individual peasants die they clog up important bits of machinery and / or generally bog the enemy down.

WE'LL BURY THEM UNDER THE BODIES OF OUR DEAD!

>>6433242

Really, it's be nice to have a Tertiary that isn't drugged up/superpowered warriors

threads been archvied, upvoting would be lovely

monks trained with some of the weaker siddhi could be tertiary, while those with strong could be secondaries. Those with a pile of them/crazy mastery would be primaries.

India would be an army that needs CREEEEED level tactics to win to make up for the lack of numbers and highly specialized units.

How about if we switch it, make the elephants completely mundane, and make them tertiary, and the use siddhis for the secondary?

>>6433203

I think the Celts are getting a raw deal, perhaps remove the Christians immortality? Or at least make the paint give them super strength.

>>6433242
that could be an Indian army thats running Hindu swarm style

having Siddhi supers army as an alternative would be cool too

>>6433288
As far as I remember, the deal with the immortality is that the body has to be not entirely destroyed. Thus, certain kinds of dying would make it not kick in.

>>6433288
I thought it did give them some strength boost? Obviously its no viking rune armor and whatnot but it still lets them fuck shit up

>>6433259
Lookin' like some heresy there.

>>6433283
that works too

>>6433311

Maybe a strength and speed boost, or even complete invulrability so long as their Druid stays alive.

>>6433311
They're certainly strong guys. But the main point of the woad is that they can't be cut, which helps a lot against guys with swords, though hitting hard enough will still break bones.

>>6432643

How about a little bit extra gear for the Chinese

Lets give'em Feng Shui layline sites with cannons drawing on the power of dragon lines for big ass beam cannons that can even incinerate the great Roman Mechas.

Of course these super weapons only have so much range and cant be used anywhere BUT the proper laylines thus leading the Chinese to defend at certain "Great Walls" spread around their kingdom

>>6433356

How the hell is that going to help against Elephats and dudes in fucking power armour? I think that a strenght boost (not a huge one, like the Viking 'I LIFT TRUCKS,BITCH' strength, but more of a 'watch me break this door down with a punch' strength) would be neccesary.

>>6433351
hmmm... how about the ability for a druid to extend their abilities through the woad painted men in addition to strength/speed boost.

>>6433393

You mean like a WAAAAAAGH power?

what if they druids could move troops around by going Under the Hill, through the realm of the Fae that is? it is only good for short jumps however because of the time difference. time passes slowly in relation to the outside world.

>>6433393
Not a bad idea.

>>6433359
awesome, combat feng shui all the way!

Any ideas as to what to steal from taoism to turn into warmachines?

>>6433389
>>6433393
Problem is, Vikings, Gauls, and Woden get to be real similar that way.

>>6433438
Qigong

>>6433439
Wodens should be able to extend their partered druids focus then for more fae fuckery

>>6433438
We really don't need more unit types for the Chinese.

>>6433464
as in details for their existing unit types

>>6433439
It's a matter of emphasis. The Woden are more Druid-centric while the Vikings are more individual-centric.

I'm just curious what rhe Maya and Cherokee are up to at this point

Where do druids even fit into this?

>>6433505
Fighting the Olmec, for all we know

>>6433482

And more naked.

>>6433505
being ignored since they dont matter

though the maya or aztec should get undead abominations made of the corpses of their sacrificies in my opinion

>>6433531
Significantly more naked.

>>6433520

They are the Celts spiritual leaders, and they hear the voice of the gods through rituals and sacrifices.

>>6433520
they are the celts and britons connection with their divinities

>>6433539

And with more heads hanging from their belts.

>>6433520
You mean tier-wise? We could call them leaders, make them a new thing, or we could call them special Woaden. Or - wait, how 'bout this. You know the treemen, let's say they need a druid to animate. So each treeman has a druid on his head, we treat them like a single unit.

>>6433561
Maybe the druids can either take up the mantle of a treeman controller or stay on the ground and focus their divine powers on buffing the Woden.

>>6433561
thats cool

>>6433558
maybe the woden could be blessed by minor nature fae/spirits to protect them so when they engage a mech in close combat, natural forces tend to lend a helping hand if possible

>>6433447

you mean neigong/neijia, I think

>>6433592

Even better idea! The old Celtic tradition of taking heads to gain an enemy's strenght is actually true, and their Secondary units, instead of looted Roman crap is Woaden who have slain so many enemies they have become extremely powerful and very large, although not as large as the Treemen

>>6433641
fae twisted looted roman crap with plants growing out of it should still be an option though in addition to that

Options are always nice

>>6433671

I agree, options are nice.

basic woden options

Woden Team with Druid - the druid can provide defensive and speed buffs to the group

Fae Blessed Woden Team - this team has constant benefit of being under the watchful eyes of the eye, protecting them by tricking their would be attackers

Nature Blessed Woden Team - this team has the benefit of being under the protection nature spirits protection, so as long they remain significant vegetation it will work to hinder their enemies

ANOTHER 9000 HOURS IN PAINT, HOWS THIS, I DICKED WITH THE BORDERS A LITTLE BIT TO APPEAL TO TROLLISH SENSIBILITIES

>>6433359

Chinese have Terracotta warriors Taoist Alchemy leading to things like explosives rockets and now the "Great Wall" giving them a defensive edge but not letting them push back too much against Rome

>>6433779
Looks much more reasonable

>>6433779

I'm not so sure about adding Iranians to the mix. They might be rebelling, but I don't think they'd be able to put up that kind of a resistance, because, unlike India, they were more thoroughly conquered before the Empire started running into trouble

>>6433779
The skillfulness of your dicking pleases me.

Qunitus squinted through the visor of his Quirinus VII, sweat dripping down his brow as the midday sun shone through the slitted openings. He gritted his teeth as he surveyed the remains of a machina legion, all of them bore signs of attack by those thrice damned painted men. They may have only been Lares XIs, a simple patrol model, but it still a marvel of Roman development and should have far more than uncultured barbarians could handle.

He raised his Quirinus's hand up, signaling his own troops to begin investigating the area. He'd find these bastards and when he did he'd be sure to that their blood would lubricate Rome's fine war machines. Qunitus cackled at this thought, it would be a fine punishment for the enemies of Rome, but his musing were interrupted with the sound of unearthly roaring screams and the clash of metal.

Qunitus looked out to see those filthy painted men climbing upon his men's fine machines as if they were there all along. His jaw gaped, there was no way they could have snook up on them without making a noise in broad daylight. His eyes widened in realization when he noticed the Lares were no longer in his vision. Those fiends, they had tricked his men with their filthy magic!

>>6433824
agreed, no Iran/Persia/whatever they are called

if they are there, they are part of rome and just making their own local modifcation to Roman mechs

>>6433779
So are the areas designated Christian the only places they muster in large numbers, or are they exculisvely Christian controlled mountain fortress type areas?

>>6433824
Yeah, concur. I could certainly see making a mercenary faction, though. A significant part of Persia probably belonged to India anyway, before this.

>>6433779
>Danmark under roman control
>the place from which historically the greatest viking hailed, under Roman control
>the home of the greatest of the warriors known for chopping down mechs with giant weapons, conquered by mech army

>>6434001

They're exclusively under the control of Christians. Safe havens if you will. There may be Christians in hiding in other places though.

>>6434026
A faction of units in India?

>>6433428
RIGHT. ITS JUST THAT THE FELLER THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARTHIANS WAS QUITE CONVINCING AND CHARISMATIC.

we're at 263 posts

I suggest we make a new thread and the OP should be a little more informative as to what this is

>>6434211
On it. Making it purdy.

>>6434211
Right, it's probably a total pain to new guys to go back and read.

We're going to need one badass writefriend to compact everything we've worked out into a couple of posts.

>>6434084
Both Dan and Mark enjoy being Romans very much.

New thread:
>>6434371