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    414 KB Continuation of Rome + Mechs Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:18 No.6425883  
    Old threads

    Ok, so Caesar's bid for emperor is backed by Jupiter, and Vulcan provides him with divinely crafted mecha (Machina Dei). With the newly felt divine intervention, Rome expands considerably, reaching as far south as the Congo, as far north as the Baltic Sea, as far west as Spain, and all the way to China in the east.

    But, things are not all sunshine and lollipops for Rome, as they have to contend with the Celts, Christians, Chinese, rebelling Indians, and Mongols/Huns.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:21 No.6425908
    so where would Spartacus aligned with?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:24 No.6425930
    Shouldn't we get some Africans and Arabs as mercenary factions up in this bitch?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:25 No.6425934
    Since OP didn't: Wiki:
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:25 No.6425936
    Probably just an independent rebel.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:28 No.6425950
    Celts: Go into battle fueled by druidic magic, they utilize both ents as well as stolen Roman mechs.

    Christians: Dying only to be resurrected again through their faith, these men are few but battle hardened. Additionally, they are capable of sacrificing themselves to create physical manifestations of their faith, or even to summon Angels to fight on the battlefield.

    Huns/Mongols: Nomadic steppes warriors who have developed a symbiotic relationship with eldritch horrors. They give over their bodies, and some even say sanity, for victory on the battlefield.

    Chinese: Fielding more terracotta soldiers than rival nations could think to match, as well as possessing a wide array of ranged weapons such as repeating crossbows and rockets.

    Indians: Lead into battle by the avatars of their numerous gods, they make use of mighty war elephants and the courage of an oppressed people rising up against their foreign overlords.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:28 No.6425956

    Ancient Rome + mechs? Spartacus is probably the 1 yelling "THIS HAND OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER!!!"
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:29 No.6425959

    Africans = Carthaginians = Hannibal = FUCKING ELEPHANTS.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:29 No.6425964
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    What is a Spartacus?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:29 No.6425966

    Eh, they might be present, but I don't think they'd be large enough to merit factions of their own. Especially since they've been conquered by Rome.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:32 No.6425979

    The only mercenary group large enough that it gets to be it's own real faction is the Norse.

    Dire bears, runic armor that allows the wearer to wield ridiculously large weapons, and good old fashioned berserkers.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:32 No.6425980
    Elephants from the Alps, but that's mountainous tundra only some sort of tactical gen-
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:33 No.6425988
    Ah, Hannibal. Tactical genius, logistically incompetent.
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:34 No.6425994
    only India field War Elephants "blessed" by their gods

    imagine an elephant, four times as large than normal, sprouting four arms from it sides and each arm has a different weapon
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:37 No.6426008
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    Like this?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:42 No.6426029
    ....that stopped being an elephant some time ago.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:43 No.6426032
    I was more thinking a literal Elephant with 2 arms in each side wielding chakram, spear, sword and axe

    a small temple on it's back is fine too
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:43 No.6426036
    Probably after a few weeks in the Wastes.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:44 No.6426041
    Neptune should be State diety, Zeus is just a manipulative God who tricked his way to the top of the Pantheon while Neptune is the mighty god of the seas and without whom a world spanning Empire cannot exist.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:45 No.6426045
    Whoa I noticed this way too late.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:46 No.6426047
    Neptune is a cunt who stole what rightfully belongs to Proteus.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:47 No.6426051
    That's not nearly as bad as what he stole from Uranus (your anus, get it?)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:47 No.6426057
    Mars was generally seen as god of the Empire, actually. In this particular setting, Jupiter is backing up Caesar. Neither Neptune nor Hades are any more important than normal.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:51 No.6426089
    Has the world had any technological progress in the last couple centuries?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:56 No.6426125
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    Today was the day that Modun would become a man and join the likes of his father out on the battlefield. It was the day that he would be blessed by a spirit-kin of his own, a creature who would become his companion for the rest of his days. Needless to say, the boy was more than a little nervous. He'd heard many things about the merging - that it would hurt, that he might lose some part of himself - but, standing there surrounded by his kin, there was no backing out now.

    Modun gripped the ceremonial blade tightly as he slashes his wrist, letting the blood spill onto the drawings that had been made in the sand. He kept his gaze fixed forward, not daring to look down at the pool of blood that was forming at his feet, but, even so, he still saw *something* move at the edge of his vision. It was his spirit-kin.

    He felt something warm wrap around his leg. As he clenched his eyes shut, he could hear a voice speaking to him softly, as though from across a great distance. The voice was soft and feminine - surprisingly so. "Don't be afraid. I will give you glory."

    He opened his eyes and looked down, seeing a girl who looked to be about his age hugging him. He knew his eyes were lying, that this wasn't her true form, but he felt soothed nonetheless. In part because what he saw was familiar, but also because it was a good omen to see the kin's spirit and not their form. He knew then that he would become a great warrior, quickly outshining his father.

    So, while the merging hurt, as expected, it was a good pain.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:58 No.6426149

    Well, there are giant mecha running around, if that counts, and the Chinese have some pretty advanced gunpowder technology.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)08:59 No.6426157
    Yes, not full factions, just mercenary factions. Like the Norse or Rus or Jews.

    I like that, but the Indians already have elephants. And Carthage is way under Roman control anyway. We're looking at africans further south than that.

    The Bears are Rus. The other three things you said are all the same unit.

    Srsly guise, mercenary factions aren't proper factions. All we need is a single unit type, really.

    So far we have:
    Norse: Runes prevent power from escaping, this allows them to wield giant weapons but makes them berserk.
    Rus: Bear Cavalry
    Gauls: Asterix and Obelisk, they drink potions beforehand to make them more powerful. They are strong, fast and tough.
    Jews: Jews sell Golems. Golems are standard clay contraptions, with the words in their mouths. They do what they're told.

    So surely we can slap on an arabic and african unit too.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:00 No.6426170
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    ....that's moderately terrifying. And arousing.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:03 No.6426184
    >So surely we can slap on an arabic and african unit too.

    Camel riders for the arab mercs. African ones have spears (though, I'm not sure how prevalent they'd be given how far they are from the front).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:04 No.6426194

    Happy to be of service.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:09 No.6426212
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    Here's the map.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:10 No.6426223
    They'd need some sort of properly flavored magic, too.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:12 No.6426236

    Africans can infuse themselves with the spirit of the lion for increased ferocity.

    Arabs... uhh... utilize bound djinn?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:14 No.6426246
    Arabs could have scorpion cavalry
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    >Scorpion calvary
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:22 No.6426293

    Jinn are a good idea. They're leftovers from Arab paganism that were kept around in Islam because they're that cool. The idea is that while God made Man out of earth, he made the jinn from fire.

    Long ago Solomon bound and commanded many of the jinn for his own purposes; whenever a jinn is found trapped in a bottle, it is likely Solomon who put it there. Of course it's been a thousand years since then, and though some jinn are still bound to rings or bottles or lamps, others have gained greater or lesser measures of freedom since then, and the Bedouin sorcerers often struggle to ensure that the jinn do not act according to their own wishes.

    Of course too much reliance on magic and on the Jinn is not healthy; it is leading the Arab people into ever-greater evil as Solomon's seal weakens and the will of the Jinn becomes more and more free. If this goes too far, there can be no doubt, God will raise up a Prophet to set things right...
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:23 No.6426294
    That's a bit silly, and probably more powerful than we want.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:24 No.6426301
    The only non-Roman nation I can see hiring mercs would be the Celts hiring Norse or Gaulic mercenaries. The other mercenary groups would be too far away for them (with maybe the exception of the Rus).

    The Huns wouldn't be hiring any mercenaries because they're pretty much universally hated due to the whole eldritch horror thing.

    The Chinese and Indians are too far away.

    The Christians -might- hire some arab mercenaries, but I'm not entirely sure on that. Partially because Christians in this setting are fringe cultists, so I'm not sure they'd want to have anything to do with the Christians out of fear of retribution from the Empire. And partially because the Christians are big on belief and may not want to dirty themselves by associating with mercenaries.

    I think we should add in some Japanese mercs (to be hired by the Chinese), and some Indochina mercs (to be hired by both the Chinese and Indians).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:26 No.6426324
    This setting needs meso-americans mech users.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:30 No.6426364

    Recall the Olmecs from 'Mysterious Cities of Gold'.

    But it's kind of irrelevant really; everyone's got huge heavy war machines, nobody's got any ships better than triremes. Nothing's getting across the ocean.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:31 No.6426375
    I noticed that Viking Norse and Rus are Mercanery factions.

    What about the Finns? They are in between those two.

    According to Norse folklore/myth Finns were Trolls and Wizards with great magical power. Finnish myth also has tales of magical wonder (singing swamps, boats etc into existence, resurrecting and communicating with the dead and more).

    Perhaps Finns would be a support unit for the Vikings?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:35 No.6426424
    warbards with empowering songs?
    like, not the harp-picking type, more like a holy drugs-abusing wardrummer/singer?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:37 No.6426436
    What would the north Americans be like? I think the norse might have some scraps with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:37 No.6426440
    Nah. We're not emphasizing that sort of stuff. Trolls don't really fit the mythos.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:38 No.6426443
    We decided in the other thread that no, nobody got there.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:39 No.6426453
    Then why are the norse in Greenland, which is pretty close to North America?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:41 No.6426479
    The prominent Djinns in arab folklore are Qaren, which are like Djinns that try to goad a person they're bound to into evil.
    So you could have some kind of unit which is "cursed" with a host of Qareen and thus granted increased strength and frenzy.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:45 No.6426514
    That sounds good. Although I see the Kantele popping up every now and then.

    True, but I figured /tg/ might think of something. Perhaps the "trolls" are another drug/alchemy abusing faction?

    Anyone have any ideas?
    The Sampo was mentioned in the last thread. Ilmarinen made a lot of things that could be stolen for this.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:54 No.6426595

    The Norse may have dealings with the Americas; however, any factions located on the Americas aren't relevant to what's happening in Rome or Beijing and therefore aren't really being considered at this point.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)09:58 No.6426626
    The Gauls are already like that though. We don't need to make Trolls into a copy of them. And the Sampo can't go in, because nobody knows what it is. And it doesn't fit the theme.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:04 No.6426687

    I was thinking more along the lines of having a djinn lighting things on fire with magic, and being kept under control by a number of arab guys. If all the arabs die, the djinn goes out of control and starts attacking you for daring to try and control it.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:08 No.6426716
    Yeah, I like this.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:28 No.6426847
    Oh hey, somebody archived this already. Could use up-votes, I suppose. Also, there us no tag that all three threads share. Dammit guys.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:32 No.6426880
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    Marcus hated living at the edge of the Empire, and had quickly come to regret moving to Armenia. At the time, it had seemed like a good idea. As a retired soldier, he'd be given a rather large tract of land he could live on and pass down to his children.

    But Marcus had no children as all the local women were too ugly to even consider the act. The land, while spacious, was difficult to work, and, worst of all, being at the edge of the empire meant he was last in line for the benefits of being Roman. This was especially salient now that there were reports of nomads from the steppes coming down from across the Caucuses.

    Nomads that ate the flesh of the conquered, and performed strange blood rites. Evil men whose hearts burned black with disease and death. They were subhuman scum not fit to see the splendor of the Empire.

    But they were ferocious fighters, and the Legionnaires were no where to be seen. Marcus considered packing his things and heading back to the Inner Empire. Maybe signing back on with the military as a mercenary. But, for better or worse, Marcus couldn't bring himself to abandoned his hard won land, as damnable as it may be.

    Early one morning, when Marcus looked out over the terrain as he did every morning, he saw them. Or, more accurately, he saw the smoke. The local township was burning, and the stench of death filled the air, carried to him by the wind.

    Hurriedly, Marcus went inside to fetch his sword and armor. If he were to die this day, he'd die with a fight - with Roman honor and a Roman flame burning in his heart, but something was off. His home felt oddly alien. Everything looked the same, and everything was in the right place, but he couldn't shake the feeling of wrongness. Ignoring the sensation, he quickly put on his armor, tying the clasps tightly before reaching for his sword.
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    Then he felt it. Something latched onto his wrist. He saw it as well, but his mind refused to register the things appearance, so he wondered mutely why his hand had stopped short of the hilt. Outside he could hear the frenzied yells and blood curdling screams of things that should not exist on this world.

    "Yessss..." he heard someone speak. Their voice was painful to listen to. "I shall take you, but do not worry, human, I shall not devour your flesh like I did the others. You are more interesting than that. I shall make you mine." Marcus could feel it moving across his body, under the armor he had put on - armor that quickly proved useless against this assailant.

    He wasn't sure if it was fear, or something else that prevented him from moving, but Marcus was sure of one thing. He was not going to die this day, and, for the first time in years, Marcus began to cry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:44 No.6426959
    Seems like the huns are everyone's favorite to writefag about.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)10:46 No.6426981

    It's the eldritch horror.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:06 No.6427161
    It's not like we don't see enough of it, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:16 No.6427227
    Oh those eldritch horrors! They're such rascals, aren't they?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:26 No.6427294
    Shouldn't we make a tabletop game out of this?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:30 No.6427331
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 10/25/09(Sun)11:32 No.6427350
    This works fair enough.
    For the African battles we must have Zulu Mobile Units
    SPEARS which OUTSPEAR the romans.
    "That is not a spear..."
    And so that is why they can't go farther south (Also trickster god trolling Juipter.

    "Have some webs Juipter"
    Anasi :trollface.jpg:
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:33 No.6427354

    It's been suggested.

    Rome would be the Imperium
    Celts would be orks
    China would be Imperial Guard
    Christians would be necrons
    Mongols would be Chaos/Tau
    Not sure about India.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:35 No.6427368

    I think the lack of a push further south in Africa is mainly due to the fact that there isn't as much perceived gain in doing so, and no one wants to trudge through the jungle.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 10/25/09(Sun)11:37 No.6427384
    Congo is nothing but jungle at this point, so oyu have sahel, and a bunch of forests (Then again Rome was stopped at Ethopia because... well they are crazy and till Italy used gas no one invaded them!)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:38 No.6427389
    That's what we're doing. Just no actual rules, because thus us /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:39 No.6427395

    Based on the current map, the Ethiopians apparently weren't crazy enough. >>6426212
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    Over 80,000 hours in MSpaint.

    And it's still not as good as OPs ;_;
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:54 No.6427511

    Units get a bonus for being in formation (formations vary between armies). Three basic troop types: Infantry, mechs/cavalry, and uniques.

    Rome - Get a much larger bonus to combat when fighting in formation compared to other nations, but most of their units also suffer a significant penalty when not in formation. They can use mechs to break enemy lines, as well as acting as beacons for morale damage.

    Celts - Similar in a number of respects to Rome, but not quite as formation focused. Their mechs are weaker and their units are a bit cheaper all around.

    Christians - Infantry centric army. Their troops are both very durable and very strong, but also very low in numbers. Capable of sacrificing units to summon mechs/Angels.

    Chinese - Formation centric, but not to the same degree as the Romans. They field a lot of troops, and are capable of fielding the most powerful ranged units.

    Huns - Not allowed to use formations at all, and does not have access to infantry (all units are either cavalry or shoggoths). Very mobile, most troops must take a move action each turn. Units inspire fear in enemies, and units you defeat have a chance to be merged with a spirit-kin and added to your fighting force.

    Indians - War elephants are good at breaking enemy lines, but are prone to going berserk. Infantry get a bonus when fighting near an avatar.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)11:58 No.6427546
    I'd say that only Tertiary units can make formations. Except with Rome. Their secondaries can too.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:00 No.6427559
    >three basic troop types
    They come in tiers. Your classifications are gay because only about half of everything even fits.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:01 No.6427577
    So lets see how many different unit types we can muster up


    What else?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:04 No.6427599

    I'd say keep it more simple.

    Infantry, cavalry, mechs, and heroes.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:05 No.6427607
    Just keep the tiers. Why would you change the system we've been using the whole time?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:10 No.6427646
    Primary - They're the heroes. Things of legend who will generally fuck up your shit without breaking a sweat.
    Secondary - Mechs and cavalry.
    Tertiary - Infantry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:11 No.6427652

    Pretty much what I was thinking. The Jinn are servants to the Bedouin sorcerers, granting them power to use fearsome fire magic, but they're hard to control. Though it varies between individuals, jinn tend to be cruel, and to keep their allegiance the Bedouin will sometimes indulge the jinn in this. Of course the most powerful jinn are the most wilful, and they demand that the Bedouin permit them far more latitude in committing their acts of mayhem.

    The more cruelty the Bedouin are willing to permit, the more powerful the Jinn they can command. But if things proceed too far in this manner, Islam will arise early and impose on its followers a strict asceticism and forbid trafficking with spirits entirely. The ensuing Arab civil war will be... interesting.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:12 No.6427668

    I take it something like the chinese artillery would be in the secondary tier, right?
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 10/25/09(Sun)12:13 No.6427675
    So if this is say 1st edition, 2nd edition will come about when Christans take over, 2.5 introduces islam, that works pretty welll!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:14 No.6427682
    >The ensuing Arab civil war will be... interesting.

    You gotta remember that right now they're under control of the Roman Empire - a Roman Empire that's not gonna take shit from some upstart religious rebel. Especially after going through that headache with Christianity.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:14 No.6427688
    Actually, Infantry go in Tertiary. That's War Elephants and Hun Warriors. Also the Rus Bear Cavalry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:14 No.6427689
    In game terms I was thinking that you the more you use your sorceror's djinn, the more powerfull his spells become but also the more likely it is that the djinn would escape and kill the sorceror.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:15 No.6427698
    Cavalry go in Tertiary, I mean.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 10/25/09(Sun)12:15 No.6427701
    Like I said, 2 e is chrstian era, then rome splits, leading to a weakness in rome's eastern empire, then the Prophet comes in, how about that?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:16 No.6427708
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    requesting mercanary guerilla sandmonkeys with kamases
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:16 No.6427710

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:17 No.6427726

    Except that Christianity in this timeline is currently set to lose. It'll take a while, because Rome is preoccupied dealing with the Huns and Chinese, but the Christians's days are numbered.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:18 No.6427729
    Yep. They have Terracotta Warriors as Tertiary, Jade Wagons as Secondary, and Dragons as Primary.
    The Jade Wagons are basically tanks, but with a limited amount of rockets instead of a single cannon.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:19 No.6427748
    Unless Jesus gets out of the cross.

    Design them, then. Your current suggestion is kinda... insufficient.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:22 No.6427771
    >Unless Jesus gets out of the cross.

    Even if he gets out, it doesn't mean the Romans won't just kick his ass again.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:22 No.6427778
    sage for OC
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:24 No.6427796
    All this talk of Africa made me think of Ethiopia.

    It was one of the few unconquered african empires.

    Hell, it was a christian african empire and still in a christian nation.

    Surely something must come from this?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:24 No.6427800
    Th Romans didn't kick his ass the firs time, Judas betrayed him.

    oh u
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:25 No.6427808
    It's conquered in this continuity.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:26 No.6427823
    Shouldn't the christian faction be placed there then instead of in some minor areas in Arabia?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:29 No.6427850

    Except Ethiopia got conquered in this timeline, and Christianity hasn't really gotten enough influence to be anything more than a group of terrorists. The only thing allowing them to stay around is the fact that they resurrect when killed, and that they're capable of summoning Angels to wreck shit up.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:33 No.6427896
    Certain states like Ethiopia and Israel are part of the empire but exist as culturally independent. They chaff under the heel of Rome but the time is not yet right for rebellion.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:34 No.6427903
    So what about the remaining africans? I believe they should train monkeys with knives to wreck the enemy mechs. They'd also have ancestor spirits and animal-men.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:35 No.6427915
    Speaking of Ethiopia, Those guys are krazy for kristians. We could add some impenetrable mountain fortresses with connecting tunnels and the ark machine(essentially an enormous computer, about a hectare wide built up the side of a cliff, formulates tactics/pulls all the strings in the christian resistance.)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:36 No.6427928
    This mental image is making me so happy right now.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:37 No.6427941

    Ethiopia maybe, since it's at the edge of the Empire, but I don't think Isreal would have that much independence. You have to remember that the Romans are gonna do everything they can to boost loyalty because devotion to Rome is required to be able to pilot a Primary tier mech, and the more people able to pilot them the better.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:37 No.6427945

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:40 No.6427974
    SO the Christians are based in Ethiopia now? I'm okay with that.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:42 No.6427989

    They're not much of an issue. The Romans have stopped expanding into Africa, and the people they've conquered are more or less under control. Africa is actually one of the more peaceful parts of the Empire.


    I don't think so. Christianity hasn't gotten the same momentum in this timeline, so it wouldn't have been able to spread to Ethiopia. It's largely restricted to the Middle East, and even there it's far from being prevalent.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:43 No.6428008
    But...but... machette-armed monkeys and gigantic supercomputers!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:46 No.6428046

    Christians don't need anything else added to them. The followers are functionally immortal, and have arguably the most powerful trump card in the setting (Angel summoning). They're fine as is.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:46 No.6428047
    Ethiopia has always been Christian since ancient times.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:48 No.6428068
    It occurs to me that we need hero units.

    This is what I can come up with so far.

    Rome: Julius Caesar

    Huns/Mongols: Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun

    Christians: ???

    Celts: ???

    Barbarians: ???

    Indians: ???

    Chinese: Zhuge Liang, Guan Yu, Zhang He, Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Dian We, Xu Zhu, Pang Tong, Lu Bu...I could seriously keep going on forever with this list.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:49 No.6428071
    Not since before Christianity. And that's when our timelines diverge.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 10/25/09(Sun)12:50 No.6428081

    Sort of. The Christian Kingdom of Makuria was wiped by the Ayyubids of Egypt, and they went Islamic for a while.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:52 No.6428104

    Real world history doesn't get translation into this setting. Here the Romans kicked Germania's ass, instead of losing the battle of Teutoburg Forest. Also, instead of conquering most of Britain, they lost there. Caesar wasn't assassinated, Jesus piloted a mech, and a number of other things happened.

    Given the way things have progressed thusfar, there's no reason for Ethiopia to be Christian, and making them Christian would change the nature of the Christian faction considerably.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:54 No.6428127
    >Christians: ???

    Peter, Paul, Arius, Constantine.

    >Celts: ???

    Boudica ... uhh...

    >Indians: ???

    The avatars of their gods. Kali, Shiva, Vishnu, et cetera.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:56 No.6428163
    >we need hero units.
    No we don't. But I'll humor you.
    Caesar has better places to be than the front. But Brutus and Octavius would work.
    Attila has some writefaggotry in the other thread.
    Paul is pretty important. I reckon some of the Apostles are still around.
    Boudica probably fights with her people. Put her in a Stolen Weapon. Cuchulain should be around.
    Why would they have heroes? You stupid?
    We definitely don't need unimportant heroes.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:57 No.6428166
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    Roman generals for better heros. Julius is out purging like a madman, he doesn't have time for your cause.

    Also, draw whore here, taking thread related requests, and otherwise generally dicking around with concepts. Hows this for a standard secondary?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:58 No.6428177
    If Mesoamericans are added in the Olmecs second tier units would be werejaguars. They loved them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:58 No.6428180
    >Barbarians: ???

    Leif Ericson, Baba Yaga
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:58 No.6428185

    I dunno man, people like Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu are PRETTY FUCKIN' IMPORTANT.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)12:59 No.6428192
    Not Constantine. He wouldn't have joined. Peter and Paul for sure. Dunno who Arius is.

    Avatars can't be heroes; they are unique like that by their very nature.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:00 No.6428205
    >couple of chinks I play in Dynasty warriors are important.
    >> Beardy McCelterson 10/25/09(Sun)13:00 No.6428210
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    You could add Vercingeterix (in this universe, he doesn't revolt until the Celts gain a foothold) to the heroes as a charismatic hero that gives his army a fuck heug morale bonuses.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:01 No.6428211
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    And then the shitty tertiary for when funding is cut.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:01 No.6428217
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    >Baba Yaga
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:01 No.6428218
    >Roman generals for better heros. Julius is out purging like a madman, he doesn't have time for your cause.

    Uhh, Julius was a general, and is widely considered to have been a very good one at that.

    That and it was stated in the second thread that he put Nero in charge of Rome while he went to the Eastern Front to fight the Chinese following the failed invasion.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:03 No.6428236

    Witch from slavic folklore with a walking house. Put her in with the Rus as a mech pilot.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:03 No.6428238
    They aren't. Nobody even cares for the idea besides you.

    Lief wasn't a fighter. Baba Yaga doesn't fit thematically.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:03 No.6428244

    You obviously don't know too much about Chinese history and how those two men impacted early Chinese history and the Chinese culture of TODAY, so I'll forgive you for your lack of education on the subject.

    Also, I could give two shits about Dynasty Faggots. Most historically inaccurate game ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:04 No.6428259
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    >Guan Yu

    Yes, we need her!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:04 No.6428261
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    >For the African battles we must have Zulu Mobile Units
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:05 No.6428262
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:05 No.6428272
    >blah blah blah
    Yeah, lemme pencil you in for an appointment on National Giveafuck Day. 30th of Febuary okay for you?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:06 No.6428278
    >Most historically inaccurate game ever.
    More inaccurate than... Machina Dei?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:07 No.6428292

    I think Baba Yaga's house fits perfectly. She/it might be convinced to fight for Rus.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:08 No.6428295


    Someone's a little butt hurt. It's okay, though. If you need me to pull that dildo out of your ass for you, I'd be more than happy to oblige.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:08 No.6428297
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:08 No.6428304

    Don't even get me started.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:10 No.6428320
    If it is, we can always screw up the time line some more.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:10 No.6428323
    Looks like someone unlikely to have ended up Christian.
    Most of the current Christians were converted by Jesus himself.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:10 No.6428331
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    Since we're already chock full of anachronisms...

    Have Putin be Rus warlord.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:11 No.6428339
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:13 No.6428366


    It's an anime based on the Three Kingdoms... if China's greatest warriors were all female... and mostly lesbians.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:16 No.6428406
    okay, seemingly /tg/ wants that all factions are led by legendary icons, so lets make list:
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:17 No.6428427
    Well we could have a czar class, which would be a walkin tower with shittons of arrows and hot tar. That would be grounds for a Megaczar, which would essentially be the Cremulin(whatever it was called), armed to the teeth, mowing through a battle, and wrecking everything's shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:17 No.6428428

    For China, just reference Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:20 No.6428454
    All the factions are lead by legendary icons. If we're listing just the leaders:
    Julius Caesar. But Nero is in charge of Domestic affairs.
    I dunno, I fail my chink lore.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:20 No.6428461
    i guess writing things like:
    >Chinese: Zhuge Liang, Guan Yu, Zhang He, Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Dian We, Xu Zhu, Pang Tong, Lu Bu...I could seriously keep going on forever with this list.
    may make people believe you are trying to show off with your knowledge of chinese history. some people will ignore it (like me), some won't.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:21 No.6428469
    Oh yes, and Attila leads the Huns.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:22 No.6428482
    Sun Tze
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:22 No.6428483
    Christians: christ
    Indians: Gandhi
    Mongos: trhat chan whos name i cant spell right now
    Roma: Caesar
    Normans: Some legendary gods like Thor with mjolnir and Vainamoinen with some magic sword (because in this game northerns have some sort of weapon fetish, they need battle leaders)
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:22 No.6428489

    Attila the Shoggoth and Genghis Kthulhu
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:24 No.6428511
    Christ is being imprisoned on a gigantic techno-cross in this universe. It's not like he can do a lot.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:24 No.6428515
    Hey, pretentious Chinese guy! Who should lead the slanty-eyed hosts? who's the best leader from that millennium? Sun Tzu was way earlier, right?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:26 No.6428537
    Guan Yu
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:26 No.6428538

    Not Pretentious Chinese Guy, but I'd say Zhuge Liang since they named a crossbow after him.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:27 No.6428565
    Shouldn't the Chinese be the zerg rush faction?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:28 No.6428580

    They are.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:29 No.6428588
    Christ is in a cross, stuck, at the moment.

    1. Ghandi came way later
    2. Ghandi was a pacifist, and thus would make a bad war leader.

    They're Huns now. People are still saying Mongols occasionally because that's what they were for some 14 hours, but they aren't any more.

    Their are no Normans in this game. They're just generic conquered barbarians like everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:30 No.6428600
    > Shouldn't the Chinese be the Guard rush faction?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:31 No.6428618
    Indians: Ashoka the Great
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:31 No.6428620
    The romans should have Archimedes as one of their special characters. Maybe he should be an engineer who can repair and give bonuses to mechs and artillery.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:33 No.6428650
    Archimedes was a greek.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:34 No.6428664
    Greece is roman.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:38 No.6428703
    he was killed by romans some 150+ years before Caesar came to power.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:40 No.6428736
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    Theres a lot of potential for customization in christian ranks, yepyep.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:41 No.6428740
    The romans didn't mean to kill him. It was the work of a soldier who was pissed that Archimedes wasn't paying attention to them when they came inside his house. Just remove that soldier from existence and give Archimedes a status as champion of prometheus and presto, instant living three-hundred-year-old guy in a suit of magical clockwerk armour.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:43 No.6428777
    Not enough iron limbs.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:43 No.6428780

    Well, they are based on necrons.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:43 No.6428784
    No. We have a whole damn millenium to take people from, goddamn.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:44 No.6428804
    >based on
    Not really. The similarities just sort of happened.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:47 No.6428835
    Fun fact: 150 before Caesar + Caesar's been in power for 700 years = he's a bit older than 300.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:47 No.6428838
    Besides, they're more of if cyberpunk happened in 300 ad
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:47 No.6428841

    Yeah, but to this degree? I mean, wow.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:52 No.6428906
    What similarities do you see that are so overwhelming?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:56 No.6428943
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    Although the units of the roman empire are very highly standardized, there is still a lot of room for specialized units due to the rich mythos that they've taken from so many cultures and made their own.

    This is a shade of Hades.(Forgot the roman name if there is one.) Serves as an assassin or scout of sorts and is expendible to boot, for all you need is a freshly dead man and a metal or leather husk.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:57 No.6428957
    Roman name is Pluto.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:57 No.6428961
    Probably stuff like coming back from the dead and meatal limbs.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)13:58 No.6428979
    That fits neither Hades' mythological tendencies, nor the feel of our current Roman Empire.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:00 No.6428997
    Neither of those work like with the Necrons, though. And there's more to the Christians than that.
    .... though I'll admit there's not much more to the Necrons.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:08 No.6429101
    Every Christian army starts off the same. With the maximum number of basic soldiers they can field.

    ... we might want to at least have different kinds of christian soldier. Archers, spearmen, and swordsmen
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:08 No.6429108
    Alright, fuck you all. I've been doing this for 16 hours. Before this started, I was up for another 5 hours. I'm going to bed. If there's another thread after this one, Archive it for me.

    Oh, and somebody work on the wiki page.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:09 No.6429115
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    Eh, worth a shot.

    Hows this?

    A christian priest or bishop must also be a skilled craftsman, as their primary duty is to revive those who've fallen in battle,
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:10 No.6429139
    Christian soldiers can have different replacement body parts too. And naturally, the divine parts are more effective.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:11 No.6429154

    Priests give a morale bonus to nearby Christian soldiers and increase the chance that nearby soldiers who have been killed will stand back up.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:12 No.6429157
    ...no. The one reviving them and adding the other body parts is not other humans. It's Jesus.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:13 No.6429179

    Yeah, but since priests are beacons of faith, their presence might speed things along
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:14 No.6429194
    The limbs aren't actually metal, necessarily. A lot of them are made of lightning and crap.

    They don't just get better laying on a battlefield. They have to be put in a tomb, and then three days later they're alive again.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:15 No.6429210
    Religion does not work like that.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:16 No.6429217
    No. Christ is literally up there in his cross, making them cease to be dead.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:20 No.6429271
    Christians: Field warriors and priests. Priests serve as portable morale boosters to nearby units. Warriors can be customized to deal different kinds of damage, and have different bonuses (increased durability, increased speed, increased damage.

    Heralds can be summoned, but doing so required the sacrifice of one squad leader and the presence of a nearby priest. Angels require a full squad and the presence of a nearby priest. If one of the soldiers in the squad gets killed, that squad can't be used to summon an Angel.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:24 No.6429338
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    Fanatic, DUAL WIELDAN swords or just using one big mace. They don't use armor and they aren't scared of goddamned anything. Tertiary

    Archer, just an archer, I dunno... If you have any ideas to spice them up that'd be cool. Tertiary

    Acolyte, basic scout and intelligence unit. Tertiary

    Priest, as I suggested earlier, tasked not only as a connection to god and his angels, but with reviving fallen Christians as well. Tertiary

    Martyrs, them cyborg guys. Secondary

    Bishop, like a priest but more hardcore. Secondary

    Prophet, a general or something, gifted with strength or something. Secondary

    And as we have here, crucifix class mech.Secondary.

    Any suggestions are great, since I don't know much about Christianity in general.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:29 No.6429383
    Those are all Tertiary, you faggot. Do you have no idea about the relative power levels of the tiers? A secondary is a Newborn Angel. The sort one of them Ascends to become. The sort which normally tips the battle directly in one side's favor.

    Except the Crucifix class mech, which they wouldn't have.
    Read some of the archived threads, goddamn.
    >> Historical Christfag !!2TJjFP50EhZ 10/25/09(Sun)14:29 No.6429387
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    1) John the Revelator, the Beloved, He Who Cannot Taste Death, etc.
    2) Paul: Converted Jew, great proselytizer. Responsible for the early increase in non-Jewish Christians, before Rome had fully realized that Chrisitanity was more than simply a Jewish sect.* Martyred (permanently) in AD 64.
    3) Petros, the Rock. Slew Germanicus, favored of Julius Caesar, in Egypt. As a result, Nero later became Emperor.
    4) Lazarus: He simply cannot die. Due to his extreme age, he is very knowledgeable and can blend in almost anywhere.
    - Most of the other Apostles and Early Christian Fathers martyred in battle or missing (perhaps proselytizing in non-Roman areas? My main thing is to avoid having like three dozen hero units who keep showing up again and again.)

    -Simon the Zealot traveled to Britannia, where he attmpted to convert/build bridges with the Celts. Martyred while fighting alongside the Celts in Gaul. the appearance of the Angel in that battle has led to Rome accusing its enemies of conspiring together.

    *Judaism, due to Herod the Great's timely aid to Julius Caesar while he was fighting Pompey in Egypt, earned the Jews a "Recognized faith status." I don't see why this timeline would be any different.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:31 No.6429419
    >them cyborg guys
    All unit types have access to other parts. Fluff-wise, they're what happen after serious wounds, and crunch-wise, they're the main way to upgrade units.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:35 No.6429463
    b-but there's almost no magic available apart from mechas... how is this even relevant?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:39 No.6429509
    Dunno, guess my ideas are off according to all the rest.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:40 No.6429523
    The drawfag clearly has not read the threads.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:40 No.6429532
    Judas didn't betray grimdark jesus in this

    Read the first thread, he's a keeper of secret lore and did everything deliberately so that the christians could keep up the fight against their roman oppressors
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:42 No.6429560
    I was there for the entirety of the first thread. I believe one person suggested that. However, it was not consensus. Also dosen't really make much sense, which is likely a big part of why most people weren't fans.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:44 No.6429573
    Someone should add the writefaggotry to the wiki page
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:46 No.6429601
    Go for it. would, but I don't really know how it could fit without disrupting the informational content.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:48 No.6429621
    Christians can also field stolen roman stuff, though it's usally of poor quality and they can't use it as well as a roman could
    >> !ANonUyfaPY 10/25/09(Sun)14:49 No.6429628
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    OP pic made me think of the Tallgeese.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:52 No.6429662
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    Shitty drawfag here, thread made me wanna draw soem quick sketches. Also I don't know the names of their roman equivalents
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:53 No.6429667
    Drawfag obviously didn't read the threads.

    For India, are the Avatars more mechanical like the God-Machines, or otherworldly like the Heralds and Angels?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:53 No.6429674
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:54 No.6429687
    roman stuff is piloted, so there needs to be room to fit a person inside of it
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:55 No.6429696
    Mars=Ares... I dunno Athena though.

    Also, Athena is usually depicted wielding shield+spear (it is said she was born holding those.). Not that that has any impact on that particular piece, jut saying.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:56 No.6429706
    We hadn't explicitly stated ever, but I'd say biological.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:58 No.6429736
    Read the fucking threads. They're in the OP. Come back when you understand where the rest of us area already.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)14:58 No.6429743
    I feel like they shouldn't be biological in the same way that the huns have biological spirit-kun. Maybe more humanistic in appearance.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:02 No.6429788
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    I'll gladly step off of my soap box if you don't think I'm fit, especially with the Christians. But I hope you don't mind if I continue to do general drawfaggotry for the thread, and throw out the occasional idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:08 No.6429882
    Well in my imagining they were piloted by the souls of fallen devotees to whichever god. People that were so completely devoted to that god they earned enough favor to be returned to semilife in a war machine.

    I just don't like the idea of them being so large they can only be challenged by other mecha-class units. Otherwise what would the point of bringing anything else to a battle. Like a maybe a few hundred infantry could swarm and kill a mech if it was completely unsupported and they didn't flee in terror.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:09 No.6429887
    It's not that you're a bad drawfag, it's that you should really get with the program. Try to alter the general flow as opposed to rerouting the source, so to speak.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:10 No.6429893
    It was unfortunate that you tried doing the christians, since a lot of fluff have already been done for them. The chinese have next to nothing done, and the huns' units can basically be summarized with: Lol flesh and goo/cthulu - much easier to work with.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:10 No.6429899
    I don't mind. Just read the threads first, so you know what you're talking about. And pictures are always welcome, as long as they're in keeping with fluff.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:11 No.6429914
    Unless it's a primary, you should be able to kill any mech with sheer manpower. Drown it in corpses. for example, a Britannian Druid-machine can be offed with well-placed Greek fire, and enough pikes will eventually break a Clay Soldier or Jade Wagon.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:12 No.6429932
    also I guess maybe zeus should be a bit bigger.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:13 No.6429943
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    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:14 No.6429956

    Well, the chinese back then were nazis. Go from there.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:15 No.6429967
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:15 No.6429975
    This is a pretty epic-scale game. Hell, we don't even have normal people, all the units are enhanced somehow. Except the war elephants, and they're fucking elephants.
    But yeah, it takes a fucking ton of tertiaries to take out a secondary, and a fucking ton of secondaries to take out a primary. Roman secondaries are more than twice as tall and broad than a man, and are piloted. They're the weakest and most numerous of the secondaries. Other secondaries are more epic.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:18 No.6430000
    Terracotta soldiers are tertiary; they're not tougher than average supersoldiers. In fact, they're some of the weakest tertiaries.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:18 No.6430015


    The secondary mechs are piloted by anyone, and the primary mechs are piloted by soldiers who have proven their devotion to Rome (including a pseudo-mystical element of having the "fire of Rome" inside them).
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:22 No.6430037
    >They're the weakest and most numerous of the secondaries.

    I dunno, I'd say that Roman secondaries are pretty solid. Chinese and Christian secondaries might be better. Celtic secondaries are worse (after all, they're stolen Roman secondaries). Hun secondaries would be weaker one on one, but they favor hit and run tactics, so they really shouldn't be standing toe to toe anyway. Indian secondaries would be about on par.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:22 No.6430040
    >(including a pseudo-mystical element of having the "fire of Rome" inside them).
    I liked it much better when they just had to have some of Mars' blood in them. Makes more sense, and is more interesting.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:23 No.6430050
    Well honestly I only read most of the first thread, I guess this is just the way I was hoping it would end up. Where rome used these machines to aid there armies, and opponents would basically need to be very crafty and/or steal some mechs.
    sounds about like what I was looking for, I guess I missed that the weakest units are super soldiers.

    Just the way I would have liked it, this is fine too though.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:23 No.6430051

    Yeah, but there's lots of them, and quantity has a quality all its own.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:23 No.6430052
    Why no normal human units? Sure, non-human fighters are strong and stuff, but they are also really expensive to make. I think we should still have at least some human fighters if only to protect the stronger mechs and stuff.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:25 No.6430086
    >I liked it much better when they just had to have some of Mars' blood in them.

    The problem with that is that it would require every single pilot to be ethnic Roman or maybe Greek. And it gives the Romans a reason to inspire a deeper sense of loyalty in periphery parts of the Empire.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:26 No.6430097

    There are human units, but they're generally enhanced with special armor, potions, or symbiotic shoggoths.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:26 No.6430104
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    Bacchus bot will wreck your shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:28 No.6430118
    It looks like a cross between Eggman and the Lorax
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:29 No.6430127

    Her Latin name is Minerva.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:29 No.6430128
    >I dunno, I'd say that Roman secondaries are pretty solid.
    In that they have no particular weaknesses, anyway.
    >Chinese and Christian secondaries might be better.
    Chinese secondaries have the unique disadvantage of limited ammo, but when they've got shots left they're tougher.
    >Celtic secondaries are worse (after all, they're stolen Roman secondaries).
    They're buffed with druid magic, though.
    >Hun secondaries would be weaker one on one, but they favor hit and run tactics, so they really shouldn't be standing toe to toe anyway.
    That's true, they're weaker. I'd forgotten to consider them
    >Indian secondaries would be about on par.
    Naw? Avatars are tough. There's just not a lot of them.

    The Man Machines are robust, but their main advantage is that they can bring a lot of them to play. That, and they can use formations with them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:29 No.6430129
    awesome hedonism
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:33 No.6430180
    Woaden are just enhanced with tattoos. Of course, they're probably some of the stronger ones.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:34 No.6430203
    >They're buffed with druid magic, though.

    After being banged up and not receiving the same level of maintenance. That and since the Celts are currently set to field more units than Rome, it'd make sense for their units to be weaker. Then again, even if they're not weaker individual, they'd be weaker on the battlefield since they wouldn't be getting the Roman formation bonus.

    >Naw? Avatars are tough. There's just not a lot of them.

    I thought Avatars were the primaries.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:36 No.6430215

    Well, the strongest infantry would probably be the vikings with their runic power armor. After all, they're designed as anti-mech units capable of cutting through mechs with big ass swords the way normal people cut through other normal people.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:36 No.6430224
    "Primary" doesn't mean what you think it does, apparently.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:41 No.6430265

    Avatars are the manifestation of the Hindu gods.

    Unless we're talking about minor deities, they should be primaries.

    Secondaries could be the avatars of minor deities, but Indians were set to either be stealing mechs from the Romans similar to the Celts or be using divinely altered war elephants.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:42 No.6430277
    That's true. I suppose their benefit is bringing hoards of Woaden, and they're probably more able than most to bring their primaries into play.

    The important avatars are primary. Shiva, Mishra, Brahma. Less significant avatars are secondary. What did you think were their secondaries?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:45 No.6430312
    So whats the url of this wiki I keep reading about?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:46 No.6430321

    See >>6425934
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:48 No.6430347
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:49 No.6430363
    Chinese should have incarnations of their own gods, such as the Monkey King, Nuwa, and Daji.

    They should also have Lung Dragons as a rare form of aerial cavalry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:51 No.6430383
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    As for the chinklore: the rather popular icons of the Three Kingdoms era are only about 250 years separated from Caesar himself, so that bit of time shouldn't be too bothersome. While there are indeed quite a few of them, the more famous ones have been quite literally elevated to deity-hood by later dynasties (like sainthood, I suppose)

    To pique your curiosity, from the semi-fictional account of the time:

    Zhuge Liang, Prime Minister of Shu, once loss a city to the rear of his army's northern offensive. He became holed up in a small city, and seeing the approach of the enemy army (which by various accounts outnumbered him at least 10:1), and then ordered his own troops into hiding. Zhuge Liang then ordered the city's gates opened and he climbed ontop of the city walls and began to play music on his zither.
    The enemy commander, Sima Yi, grew suspicious, and assuming there would be an ambush in the urban market, turned his army away.
    Zhuge Liang later proclaimed that this strategy would only work on Sima; the latter was known to be suspicious and Sima Yi knew Zhuge Liang to be always prepared, rarely taking risks. Verily, Sima Yi's son saw straight through the ruse
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:52 No.6430391
    Vikings can dish it out. On the other hand, blows glance off the Woden like they were carved from the very mountains themselves. And the Gauls are pretty tough, though they're very "all around" type fighters. Suitably altered Christians can be tough too.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:52 No.6430396
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    Mulan comes to mind...
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:54 No.6430418
    >Suitably altered Christians can be tough too.

    I'd say that Christians in general should be tough due to having considerable battlefield experience and being desensitized to pain.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:54 No.6430419
    The Chinese have Dragons as there Primary.
    I disagree about the gods. Romans, Greeks and Egyptians don't get anything like that. Indians get Avatars, and that's unique to them.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:55 No.6430425

    To further expand upon this, please reference this portion of the Chinese Mythos article on Wikipedia. It may help the development of China along in this game.

    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:57 No.6430443
    There are things like that on the Jade Wagons.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:57 No.6430450
    Ok, I updated the wiki with the writefaggotry done so far.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)15:59 No.6430472
    Sorry, my baseline there was other tertiaries, not normal people. Yeah, normal Christians are extremely tough.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:00 No.6430477
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    mongolians are pig disgusting!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:03 No.6430518
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    What are you talking about, they aren't 3D.

    They have more dimensions than the human mind can comprehend!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:05 No.6430534
    In b4 fucking sniper Fanes.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:06 No.6430544
    more than 3? even more disgusting!
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:07 No.6430572
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    I think it's rather beautiful.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:07 No.6430582
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    Damn dude, thats awesome

    Reworked it to be a tank of sorts.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:08 No.6430594
    So, China = Jade Empire + Romace of the Three Kingdoms?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:08 No.6430596
    Given that there's more than one shouldn't it be Machinae Dei?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:10 No.6430620
    Sounds cooler too.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:12 No.6430660
    No. The name refers not to any given mech, but to the army as a whole.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:12 No.6430661
    I'm not sure about the way we have the Indians set up currently.

    The war elephants seem like they'd be a better fit as a secondary troop rather than a tertiary. They can do a lot of damage to enemy formations, and, since they've been divinely altered, it's probably safe to say they could stand up against other secondaries.

    Also, the way they're set up right now, they have no infantry, which seems like a waste considering their high population and status as rebels.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:15 No.6430688
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    I'd say that it'd give it a good feel. That said, perhaps there should be a particular emphasis on the use of fire; nearly all the significant battles from RoTK (Chi Bi and Yi Ling in particular) revolve around ingenious use of plain, old-fashioned fire for MASSIVE DAMAGE
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:16 No.6430701
    They would have the weakest secondaries if we did that (except maybe for the Huns) and their Primaries would be among the weaker ones. And we have no plan for their tertiary then, except that it's infantry.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:18 No.6430730
    People talking about China: Put some stuff into the wiki. I've been doing the wiki mostly myself, but I don't know a lot about China, so somebody else must do that part. And they need it, China lacks fluff. All we know is that they have dragons, tanks, and claymans.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:19 No.6430736

    I'm not sure how the physical embodiment of their gods would be among the weaker primaries. If anything it'd sound to me like they'd be around the level that Angels are at.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:19 No.6430750

    Then Machina Deorum would make more sense, given that all but one of the factions are polytheistic.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:20 No.6430757

    What happened to Pretentious China Guy?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:22 No.6430780
    Right, we need more fluff of the indian sort
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:23 No.6430782

    Well, the Celts are nature worship, and the Huns are spirit worship. So it'd be three main factions that aren't polytheistic.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:26 No.6430819

    OK, given that only one of the factions is monotheistic then. Machine of God doesn't really makes as much sense as Machine of the Gods.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:28 No.6430846
    Machinae, if you want to get technical.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:28 No.6430848
    tbh I was pulling shit out of my ass there.

    Most of them are weak gods. And even then, it's not the gods themselves, it's just an avatar. Shure, Shiva would be powerful, but the little gods not so much.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:31 No.6430873
    ah, he's an insufferable faggot. I'm not all too sure what we'd want to keep for the wiki (I wrote the tidbit bout zhuge liang >>6430383) so I'd be more content with idea churning than putting something down. I would like to put forth the idea that we rename China as Han China, since this would be the contemporary of the Roman Empire

    I do have some worries/ideas about our map though. As we know, IRL Rome never expanded beyond Carrhae since the Parthian's kicked Crassus' ass, thereby weakening the triumvirate, leading to Caesar's bid for power in the first place. From the East, Han China never really expanded beyond Parthia's eastern borders (They didn't really care to wage a war with Parthia when they already had a shitload of trouble dealing with the Xiongnu in the North, the-maybe-Mongol peoples)
    With Rome's Machina Dei and China's Terracotta warriors, however, the Iranian plateau between the two powers would not really be an issue at all. What irks me is that IRL relations between the two seemed rather warmer than what we'd presumably expect. Ambassadors between the two often reported the other in rather positive stereotypes (roman ambassadors saw the sera chinese as shorter and shy to public affection but unerringly humble; chinese missions saw the europeans as tall, honest, and handsome folk). Honestly, what could have been if the two empires didn't fall when they did.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:31 No.6430875

    He's said it's a single machine, so should be nom. s.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:35 No.6430906

    Celts < < Romans < Chinese < Huns < Indians < Christians

    Celts have the weakest primaries, but they're also the cheapest allowing the Celts to field more. In a pinch, they can set their primaries on fire to increase damage at the cost of health and damage enemy morale.

    Roman Primaries tend to be highly specialized based on the deity or mythological figure they're inspired by. As a result, while they do their job well, they aren't capable of standing up to everything.

    The Chinese Dragon is a solid unit all around, with a focus on dishing out damage.

    Hun primaries are hulking monstrosities that are difficult to kill and have big effects on morale (increasing it for their troops, and decreasing it for enemies).

    Christian Primaries are rape tier. They're pretty much good at everything - offense, defense, mobility, and morale influence; however, in order to get one you have to sacrifice an entire squad of units, and the Angel is only present for a fixed number of turns (dependent on the quality of the squad sacrificed).

    Indian primaries aren't quite as powerful across the board as the Angels. Their defense is particularly lacking; however, they have high attack and mobility. In addition, they give a large boost to friendly morale, but their effect on enemy morale is small compared to other primaries. Also, unlike the Angel, you don't have to sacrifice a unit under special circumstances to get one.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:37 No.6430920
    did we get this thread archived? It's starting to die. Shall we start a new thread?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:37 No.6430930
    >Shure, Shiva would be powerful, but the little gods not so much.

    Yeah, but if you're gonna summon the avatar of one of your gods are you going to pick the avatar of Bob god of stolen lunch money or Shiva god of fucking shit up?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:38 No.6430937

    This thread is archived, yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:42 No.6430986
    Remember India has already been conquerd by Rome, and that they should be a resistance faction
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:44 No.6431011
    India's primaries need to be a bitch to get a hold, of course this is just for fluff
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:44 No.6431015
    as a matter of technicality, should we really be calling the Mongols as Huns. We don't really know if they're related (they almost certainly aren't as DNA testing of Huns leaves them as almost certainly displaced Europeans), and hell, we shouldn't even be calling Mongols Mongols. They'd more properly be called the Xiongnu Empire, but I suppose Mongols is a bit more evocative.
    good stuff
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:45 No.6431028
    These avatars don't get summoned like that. Only Christian Primaries go away later. Indian Primaries mostly hang out in temples and back their people up in exchange for [traditional Hindu worship]. More powerful gods require greater effort to interest.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:48 No.6431060
    As a matter of technicality, we should not be calling them Mongols. They're Huns in-game. They were originally Mongols, but we realized in the second thread that Huns fit better in literally every place they differed, so we switched it. Some people are still saying Mongol out of habit, but I guess people coming in later are unaware of the situation there.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:50 No.6431086
    You know, I'd think that the shoggoths are probably tougher than the hindu avatars.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:50 No.6431090

    I'm fine with any of the three, though, I have a personal lean towards calling them Mongols, because when someone mentions guys from north of China riding around on horseback fucking things up, I think of the Mongolians.


    I think the fact that they've been conquered would be reason enough to get the gods riled up. And since Shiva is the god of destruction, I don't think it'd take that much prodding to get him to do some destroying.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:54 No.6431142

    Eh, maybe it could go either way, depending on which specific avatar / shoggoth is chosen and any customization for them.

    Maybe have them ranked as being equal.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)16:59 No.6431193
    Shiva isn't the Chaotic Stupid god of "lol I kill u nao".
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:02 No.6431226
    The issue of whether or not you'd be able to get one of the more prominent Hindu avatars to sign on seems like more of a lore issue. Fluffwise, it may only be done for special commanders, but in practice, anyone playing an Indian army is probably gonna field one of the big boys unless the points work out weird.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:03 No.6431239
    New thread?
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:05 No.6431255

    Well, this one has 292 posts
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:05 No.6431256
    Yeah, you're right. It's been more than a few years since I took Latin.
    >> Anonymous 10/25/09(Sun)17:05 No.6431266
    New thread >>6431149

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