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    53 KB Deity quest, part 4 Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)16:43 No.6190957  
    >part 3: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/6175335/
    You assess the situation.
    The Masters turned out to be aggresive and unwilling to cooperate, seeking to either enslave others or destroy them. You managed to goad them into chasing you and following false trails. They will most probably interrogate the people of other islands in their search for you. Should they show the same attitude that you witnessed, nearly all humans will be quickly set against them.
    However, you need to act quickly. Your primary goal is now converting both Zhuang and Ligish to your cause, before they are called away by the Masters to search other islands.
    As for the villages, everything's going well. You are supplying your followers with minor blessings whenever they are needed. Talos, aided by Hagran, has crafted many weapons of stone, wood and bone, as well as shields and leather armor. Plato has been developing means of communication between the villages, the most successful of which turned out to be trained messenger birds.
    You are confident that your followers could seize control of the island, should they have three wielders of the Art on their side. Even if Ligish and Zhuang depart, the odds are still high. However, such drastic measures might turn out to be unnecessary. Converting the captain of the guard will give you control without any bloodshed. Achieving that seems to be a very real possibility.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)16:47 No.6191005
    Definitely pursue a conversion of the guards, hardened fighters plus trainers for the more militia style people.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)16:49 No.6191025
    Converting the Art wielders should be a higher priority, though. With their authority on your side, the guards will be easily convinced.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)16:52 No.6191066
    Im sorry for not specifying, converting the guards should not be the only or even primary concern at this moment, just that it is a very good idea. I was assuming multiple actions at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)16:53 No.6191088
    Fuck yeah deity quest!

    I vote get a more large-scale conversion going so when it happens it's basically a unstoppable landslide, if you know what I mean?

    We could get a few islands on our side, but what's to say they don't have superior forces around to just squat our rebellion before it even really began?

    Also, we're not per se the god of war. Better bloodless coercion than bloodshed.

    Finally, we need to get around creating a wife for Hagran. She'd be the Goddess of Fertility, Healing and Nature.

    Or am I just a faggot?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)16:55 No.6191104
    Yes, continue getting Zhuang and Ligish over on our side. There were two more guys right? Maybe see how susceptible the less powerful of them would be? Or is that a bad idea?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)16:57 No.6191135
    >As per the post in the last thread.
    For some time now you have been performing small miracles for both of the Art wielders. You help them find misplaced items and remember things that slipped their minds. Eventually, they notice that something odd is happening. Zhuang mentions it in a talk with Andreus. "Say, did you... how to say it... use the Art to help me out during the past few days? Someone did, that much I'm sure of." How should Andreus react?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)16:59 No.6191160
    Saying something, not specifically in relating to a deity, but suggesting that he should ask in a general way "What are you and how are you helping me?"
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:01 No.6191188
    The less powerful one, Galen, is an apprentice to the other. It would be hard to influence him without his teacher noticing it.
    Deciding that it is time to take action, you have Plato and Talos send missionaries to other villages.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:04 No.6191219
    For a start, Andreus tells Zhuang that it's not his doing. He then references a conversation they were having some time ago, the one about beings other than humans and the Masters' servants existing, vaguely suggesting that this could be the source of this activity. Zhuang gives this hypothesis some thought. "Well, there'd be no reason for a servant of the Masters to hide. So I guess that's the only possibility. I wonder why it does that, though..."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:04 No.6191223
    Maybe we should have him "feign" innocence? So as to have Zhuang ponder the existence of outside powers he does not yet understand.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:05 No.6191234
    >Went ahead and did that.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:08 No.6191265
    Is Otto a major character yet?

    He could become a God even.

    Fuck this is brilliant! Otto, the Otter God of Mystery, Subterfuge and Water. Who's with me?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:08 No.6191270
    "Perhaps you should try asking it?"
    Andreus mentally apologizes for speaking of you in such an undignified way, but it's the safest route to converting Zhuang.
    "Wouldn't hurt, I guess. Who are you? Why are you helping me in such a manner?"
    Zhuang falls silent, expecting some sort of answer. You now have an opportunity to make contact with him.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:09 No.6191283
    I think we need to know more about the world as a whole. Is there any major powers that have any major army that could threaten us? Stuff like that.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:09 No.6191286
    Initiate contact, its the only way to be sure.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:09 No.6191290
    For now, Otto travels with the missionaries, acting as a living proof of your power and one of your prophets. You occasionally speak and perform miracles through it.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:12 No.6191324
    >The major power in this world are the Masters, who are unfortunately shielded from your powers somehow. They have already deemed you a threat, but you mislead them regarding your whereabouts.
    What do you wish to tell him?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:13 No.6191330

    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:14 No.6191337
    Okay, but do they have any sort of army that could just crash our party at any time? Or is it just the arts users?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:15 No.6191343
    Have you paid attention to any of these threads?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:18 No.6191377
    all except the first

    I'm pretty sure nothing of this has been mentioned. I could be wrong though.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:18 No.6191385
    You heard that they have servants, ones that contact human Art wielders. Your attempts to gather more information ended... not as planned.
    >So you first help someone and then find out who he is? Using the first part, though.
    Like all humans, Zhuang is stunned by your words at first. He does manage to get himself together in exceptionally short time, though.
    "What do you want of me?"
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:18 No.6191389
    I hath returned!
    Glory shall be ours.

    Reality, please update me on the Soul/Consciousness generator thing, did we find out more about its functions, capability?

    A question: I vaguely remember that it was stated that soulstuff strengthens being that are imbued with it. Is there an upper limit to it or can we exalt living creatures, or is this the basic way we imbue our followers?

    What happens if we pour soulstuff into a dead body? As in massive quantities.

    The Abhole- I mean the masters, do we know if they can personally leave the water in any way?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:20 No.6191407
    "Aid, join us if freeing the islands of the tyrants *flash of the Master's very antisocial speech". In turn, we the giver of knowledge, shall grant you ever greater mastery over the Art!"
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:20 No.6191416
    I was trying to be humble, letting him introduce himself.

    I find it somewhat imposing when someone doesn't even ask, suggesting they know everything about me already, while I know nothing of them.

    Especially when it's a voice in my head. Not that it's a big deal, do go on.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:21 No.6191423
    Woah, that's very sudden. I vote against this!
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:22 No.6191437
    Well, if I remember correctly the smack the Masters said about humans (as in lesser slaves) I think it could work.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:23 No.6191451
    If they're anything like their inspirations, they get extremely vulnerable when they do.

    Not that that means that is the case here. Also, I don't think there's any way we can know that yet.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:25 No.6191477
    We've only just introduced ourselves. He's no reason to trust us and we just go trashing the guys that basically fathom his world-belief.

    Let's take is slow and easy here slugger.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:25 No.6191478
    >Soul generator
    >Let me check, though I seem to recall you had to focus on something else and then forgot about it.

    This is a primary method of healing, though you suspect imbuing a living creature with too much soul-stuff would end up badly. The source was a white void, not a paradise filled with life, after all.

    >imbuing dead bodies
    If you also returned the soul to it, it could quite possibly result in raising the dead. You have concerns that such a process might damage the soul in a subtler way, though.
    >As in, no infinite resurrections.

    >It's spelled aboleths.
    You don't have any knowledge regarding their land-travelling capabilities. Maybe they need the servants to oversee dry land, maybe they just prefer to stay in the water.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:25 No.6191481
    I am planning such utter dickery that it could rend the very heavens, sadly we need massive amounts of power for what I have in mind.

    A hint: we get metal, and fuck over a lot of Masters at the same time, and extra land mass.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:26 No.6191502
    >If you also returned the soul to it, it could quite possibly result in raising the dead. You have concerns that such a process might damage the soul in a subtler way, though.

    I say we are against this on a principal basis. Damaging souls seems evilish and a god got to have morals.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:26 No.6191506
    That's a bit sudden. He might not believe you yet. You should prove your good intentions first and denounce the Masters later.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:27 No.6191523
    As an aside, considering the situation: the users of the Art who serve the Masters haven't had direct contact with these unpleasant creatures, instead receiving their instructions and gathering tribute to leave on the shoreline.

    I'd be interested to know what need the Masters have for tributes of food.

    Also, given that the Masters are pretty freaky mind-reading fish-things that live in the lightless depths, I would imagine that setting ourselves up as Patron God of Humans to resist the Horrible Slimy Enemy In The Deep would work pretty well for us.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:28 No.6191524
    >An asteroid? I was thinking about mentioning such a possibility, but you don't know anything about outer space yet.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:28 No.6191527
    Hmmm... very well.

    "I am the God of Knowledge, patron of the Art, embrace me in your heart and in turn no secret shall be unknown to you, and your powers shall grow ever greater."

    Or something along these lines.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:30 No.6191558
    It might be a subtle way to keep humans from overpopulating (subtler than killing them directly, that is).
    Or maybe they consider some food from the surface a delicacy?
    You didn't ask them when you had the chance, unfortunately.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:30 No.6191559
    Asteroids are cliche. Let our smith son use the very world as his anvil and raise the very sea floor with a few hearty blows of his divine might.

    Land, metal, Master's city, dead Masters, utter awesome.

    Down side that we're so very far away from the power needed for something crazy like this.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:30 No.6191562

    If it's an asteroid, also consider that massive tsunamis would scour the islands clean of human civilisation.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:31 No.6191567
    >Ooh, nice. The "rend the heavens" part mislead me.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:32 No.6191578

    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:33 No.6191593
    Also, we should observe the force that sucks away ambient soulstuff after death, I wonder where it goes.

    (Other divine device? Void of nothing?)

    I am trying to think of a way to profit from the death/rebirth cycle, and to gain control over it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:35 No.6191611

    I'd like to veto this approach.

    While we don't want to appear as an oppressive tyrant-god, we need the belief and loyalty of human followers to increase our power and influence.

    We welcome those who choose to serve us, but do not compel it - instead, we trust that the beacon-fire of our benevolent wisdom will serve to attract those most in need of our protection.

    As people gather around fire for the warmth and protection it offers, let them come to us, and we will illuminate them.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:35 No.6191614
    "I am knowledge, in it's most pure form. You are a good being, of pure heart, and a desire to learn, and I have come to your aid. Enjoy my gifts, and use them as you see fit."

    Give him the true knowledge of the masters.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:35 No.6191615
    We, somehwhat, know what values Zhuang adhere to, but what of Ligish, what do we know of him?

    My point is Hagran is a perfect match as a god for Zhuang. And we have held up creating a new god for some time now. Maybe we can create one that Ligrish would be more likely to follow?

    Also, that god needs to be a goddess and be hagran's wife. Smiths need a wife, it's basic fantasy trope law.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:35 No.6191619
    >Yeah, yeah, I know, sounding impressive and all that.
    Zhuang is intrigued. "I... I would wish to learn more about you, if such a request does not insult you."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:36 No.6191629
    A busty wife.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:37 No.6191643
    Again, denouncing the Masters should wait until he trusts you. As for what you told him, let's assume some mix of >>6191578 and >>6191614 .
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:38 No.6191654
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    Did I hear something about a busty goddess wife for Hagran?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:39 No.6191661
    I was more thinking of how Death talks in Discworld novels. It's not really caps lock, since there's still a size difference between first and following letters. All are simply in upper-case mode.

    And I don't know how to replicate that sadly.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:39 No.6191664
    Update on what Otto left at the beach for the guards to find?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:39 No.6191667

    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:41 No.6191682
    We should avoid creating new gods for every second mortal that comes in our way.

    I do remember someone planing a Rideresque looking wife for our son. If we figure out a !useful! chore for her, I'm not opposed. What would fit a smith, aside from greek/roman example of Love?

    "Such a request speaks volumes of your wisdom and pleases us! For learning is what we are, what we live for, learning and teaching all the hidden secrets of the world."
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:41 No.6191684
    His loyalty to the Masters is a prominent feature of his character, but its source is the fact that he truly believes they seek to protect humans. A deity capable of protecting and guiding their followers would appeal to him greatly. In short, you.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:42 No.6191700
    As a point of curiosity, who appoints the captain of the guard? The Masters directly? Their immediate servants? Or the Art-users, picking suitably obedient muscly types from among the populace?

    What secures their loyalty? Preferential treatment? Access to more food and booze and comely wenches than the plebs? Masterly mind-control?

    Are they drawn from the local population, or brought in from abroad? Do they integrate with the locals, taking wives from the islanders, or are they aloof and apart?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:43 No.6191719

    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:43 No.6191721
    You begin to teach him of your doctrine. You do not mention the Masters, instead focusing on how you seek the well-being of humans. He soon accepts you as a benevolent force, one that should be supported, not opposed. Now is finally the time to show him the true nature of the Masters.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:43 No.6191723
    This, plus what we know about the masters, if we can convince them it's true, should sway him enough.

    I vote we create the busty wife for Hagran. Call her Shyla, obviously. Goddess of fertility, birth, medicine, and lust.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:45 No.6191740
    First have Andreus himself teach him that we are a God. And then show him the truth of the masters. But he must not act against them yet, for our forces of truth and life and humanity are still weak.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:45 No.6191752
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    Pic related.

    Vaguely mention the danger the Masters represent, and show him flashbacks of our meeting with them.


    Good questions.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:46 No.6191758

    I would suggest that Hagran/Haphaestus' wife should complement his own portfolio and dual nature as warrior/wright. Something like one aspect as goddess of agriculture and farming and the arts of making things grow bountifully to complement Haphaestus the smith (the knowledge to grow crops and the tools to harvest them), and another aspect as goddess of healing, midwifery and nurturing to complement Hagran the warrior (tending the wounds of the warriors, bringing new life into the world).
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:46 No.6191763
    I vote for a more Shyla Stylez, stacked pornstar look. :D
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:47 No.6191768
    Reality what of the piece of building that otto left on the beach for the guards to find?

    Also source?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:48 No.6191777
    Something akin to that would be good. But she's gotta be stacked as fuck!
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:48 No.6191787
    It is commonly believed that the captain of the guard is appointed by the Masters themselves, whose decision is relayed by their servants and the Art wielders.
    Reality is more complicated, as the Masters probably don't bother with every single island in such detail, and the mages most probably have their own agenda in occasionally "misinterpreting" their will.

    The guards are chosen FOR their loyalty to the masters, not the other way around. Or, to put it another way, high susceptibility to brainwashing. The ones drawn from the local population tend to socialize, while the ones from abroad remain distant.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:48 No.6191789
    Also, I vaguely remember that some of the Art users are sent out to hunt/convert rogue would-be sorcerer kings. Lets say we send one of our future (or not so future) Art users out to do battle, but instead of DEATH OR MASTERS, we go Knowledge and prosperity or mindwash.

    Also, while we are a semi-light side force, we should learn some mind control / domination. Should we be unable to make them see reason.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:48 No.6191790
    Some of us have long talked about a pantheon of gods. It might bring trouble, but the sheer awesomeness would be well worth it. That lies in the future however, but it's a gradual process and we need to start somewhere.
    More gods of different aspects bring higher likelyhood of differently natured people appealing to one of them, which gives us power.
    We've been talking about another god for long now, it's as good a time as any.
    Finally, as to what would define this goddess, see >>6191088
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:49 No.6191799

    But of course.

    She is the fertile field that Hagran ploughs, if you get my meaning.

    Vast... tracts of land.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:51 No.6191830
    >mind control / domination. Should we be unable to make them see reason.
    I, and I think a few others, are already of the opinion that we are not an oppressive god. If someone does not want to follow us, that is fine. We only want to spread the fire that is knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:51 No.6191831
    Yeah, what this guy said.

    Shyla, Goddess of Fertility, Healing and Nature. Wife of Hagran.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:52 No.6191845

    We can't look into their minds at all, can we?

    I am curious as to whether Master brainwashing is a one-time "imprint" whereby the guards are brainwashed and sent to fulfil their programming, or if it's more like the Masters maintaining an ongoing link or presence or influence over the guards.

    Basically, if there's any way to either reverse the imprinting, or block the Masters' influence.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:53 No.6191854
    I oppose names inspired or taken from the real world.

    But then again I was the guy who suggested the name Hagran in the first place so I'll gracefully stay my tongue here. Only were someone to suggest a more fantasy-ish name not apparently inspired from the real world, I would vote for it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:53 No.6191864
    So if we've got Zhuang on our side, let's have him and Andreus double team Ligrish. We've been giving him the same small miracles. He should be curious.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:54 No.6191865
    >Very well, time to expand the divine family.
    >This concept seems most fitting and well-developed. Does anyone have any other ideas and/or objections?
    You show him what you saw in the depths of the ocean, focusing on the attitude of the Masters towards humanity.
    He is visibly shaken. "I... I have to think over... The things you have shown me..."
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:54 No.6191866
    Yes well, I didn't say on everyone, but if we convert a lot of sorcerers and such, and we face a race of psyker fishes, some mental powers should be useful.

    So be it, but we should find a champion for her first. Some mother figure of one of the villages.

    But also people, remember, we have like 30 followers, I wanted to propose waiting with more gods till we crawl our way into that great city that was mentioned.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:55 No.6191881
    Judging by how you influenced Zhuang, it's a one-time effect which can be reversed.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:55 No.6191886
    Shyla, Goddess of Fertility, Healing and Nature. Wife of Hagran.

    And lets start work on Ligrish.

    How are things going in the other villages? Developments? Have the missionaries they've sent reached any other towns?

    Any exiles sent to sea?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:55 No.6191887
    "So be it child, but know that our Divine Flame shall aid and protect you, should you wish to embrace it."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:57 No.6191908
    We should introduce Zhuang to Hagran and the other way around. My common sense is tingling and it tells me they are a perfect fucking match.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:57 No.6191915
    Dammit what about the piece of the building that otto took and left on the beach?!
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:58 No.6191916
    Anyone come up with another name for the goddess? Anyone? Please?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)17:58 No.6191925
    I think Hagran is busy with... uh... getting acquainted with his new wife.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)17:59 No.6191940
    It has been discovered by some guards, but dismissed as "some weird-looking rock".

    Plato's wife, Agape?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)17:59 No.6191948
    How much Cool Stuff can users of the Art do? Like, can we have examples of what the Art-users do around the place, and how far their powers extend?

    My main concern is that humanity is scattered across an archipelago of islands - that is, pockets of land that is Our Turf separated swathes of Their Turf, which could prove deeply problematic if it comes to all-out war between Humans and Masters, as they can potentially divide-and-conquer any nascent human empire with ease, granting safe passage to their human minions while sinking our boats.

    My point is: can the Art give us a means of transport between islands that avoids the water?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:00 No.6191963
    Inspire Plato to go there and discover it. Let him study it on his own.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:01 No.6191976
    Agape should be fine I guess, fits with Plato's divine teaching.

    Hmmm... yes, a general outlining of the Art should be useful.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:02 No.6191982
    >Drawing a blank, sorry.

    Depends on how creative you get. A "brute-force" approach by levitating would take far too much power. Constructing some flying apparatus partially powered by the Art might be possible, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:04 No.6192009
    Ornihopter! AWESOME
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:04 No.6192020
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:05 No.6192023

    Just like Hagran has Skill and our proposed daughter last(?) thread has Secrets, I think one domain of each of our pantatheon should reflect Knowlege. She could have Wisdom or something.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:05 No.6192033
    Getting to other island isn't a concern for now.

    Let's focus on our island. What's the situation here?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:06 No.6192047
    Fertility can cover the knowledge of growing things.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:06 No.6192055
    You considered the possibility of teleportation before, but while a divinely empowered vessel would withstand it, it'd probably be too much for a human, mage or not.
    >The problem is that I didn't draw any hard-and-fast rules for the Art yet. It'll probably end up as "whatever needs to be done, without making things too easy".
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:07 No.6192063
    Knowledge and Wisdom goes hand in hand basically.

    I'm not really opposed, It's just there's only so many properties that are sub-groups of knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:07 No.6192064
    Bestow the knowledge of creating Zeppelins on our people, NOW
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:07 No.6192073
    Just focus on the story for now.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:08 No.6192080

    True, but pretty much all possible domains cover knowlege in that sense; healing could just as well be said to be the knowlege of medicine, or similar. I was thinking of something more abstract. And for a mother/wife-goddess, Wisdom fits.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:08 No.6192085
    That was an error. But oh well, they say reality is malleable no? :3
    Proposition: generally anything not EPIC for normal mages, EPIC for divinely blessed mages (and focused around the one who gave the blessing).
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:09 No.6192097
    Wisdom could be considered a part of our own sphere. Let's keep it that way. Our new gods need to fill in the gaps where we fall short, not split up what we've already got.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:10 No.6192106
    >A general in-touch-with-the-nature gig? Knowing how things grow, how animals behave, how to speed up natural healing, et cetera.
    The missionaries have sown the seeds of faith in all the villages by now. What remains are the two towns of the island. Your activity goes unnoticed, as more and more guards are moved to other islands.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:10 No.6192111
    We really need to start looking for a Leonardo da Vinci type character on the islands. The Masters might have psionics, but we'd have SCIENCE!
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:10 No.6192117
    Last time I'll ask: Please anyone come up with another more fantasy-ish non-reality-inspired name for this goddess? Pwetty pwease? :U
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:10 No.6192122
    Can we look into other planes? If their is so saw an "astral plane" perhaps we could have them sue it to "skip" the water
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:11 No.6192135
    She'd also be the goddess of nature, so yeah.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:11 No.6192136

    Huh. Is that movement of guards as a result of the Masters trying to hunt us down, or is there something else brewing?

    ...or are the Masters evacuating their loyal minions in advance of stomping all over our island?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:12 No.6192138
    Hmmm... we do want those towns...

    Perhaps we should fast-forward till our friend mage decides if he wants to join us. Then we can use one of them to convert, the other to spread the faith/gain more mages as I proposed before.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:12 No.6192144
    Let's keep expanding. And how is our attempt to convert Ligrish?
    Looks like she's Shyla.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:13 No.6192158
    Hrm, you're right, we really should see what that is all about.

    Have Andreus claim he'd heard rumors and ask one of the other guys about it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:13 No.6192159
    Yeah, let's make Shyla and fast forward.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:13 No.6192165

    We still need a champion for her.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:13 No.6192168
    Uh... Rhea, Fauna, Dryda, Agea, Avja, Gaia?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:15 No.6192189
    Can we watch where the guards are going? If not, can we send an otter along to follow them?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:15 No.6192193
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    Those names pale in comparison to SHYLA!
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:15 No.6192207
    Reality, if you want, I think I'd be okay with more NPC-like interaction with Hagran and any other gods we spawn. We do create them as separate individuals after all, only extremely loyal to us. That doesn't mean they can't question things we do and stuff, that'd just be interesting. Especially as seeing how some of them are going to be of pretty differing ideals.

    Like I could imagine how Hagran is impatient and just wants to start a war already.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:16 No.6192220
    >just read what happened yesterday
    oh fucking hell.
    The Masters are Aboleth and they where created by the Old Ones as mentioned in the Lords of Madness. (all the god names have counterparts in the Lovecraft mythos)
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:16 No.6192222
    Hagran isn't warmongering.

    But anyway, this voice has a point. You should jump between Strategic and Cinematic modes.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:17 No.6192224
    >we could have them sue it
    >I don't think we have lawyers yet. An inspiring vision, though.

    Zhuang finally reaches a decision. "I... I have no choice but to believe what I saw and heard. How could I have been so blind? I will seek to redeem myself, if it is at all possible."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:17 No.6192227

    I now want to have sex with a goddess.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:17 No.6192228

    When we start filling up the pantatheon, I can see us having boardroom-meetings up in the Astral Plane with all the other gods. Awesome.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:18 No.6192249

    Is this to us or to Dre?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:19 No.6192257
    He's a god of war and bravery, of course he's a fucking warmongerer. Why else would be create the weapons? He just wants to show how well his craftmanship works in practice and how brave his/our subjects are.

    Doesn't mean he's going against our will, he's just got another idea of how to implement it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:19 No.6192262

    I'd definitely propose doing what we can to get a monopoly on users of the Art, if at all possible. Either by converting those sympathetic to us (which should be all of them, given that we're all about protection and benevolence and knowledge and yaaay humans), or by stomping those who won't convert, as there are always a few who'd side with monstrosities of the deep if they thought it'd get them a bigger piece of the pie. Art-users are the Masters' most useful tool on the surface.

    We could try a Bondsmage kind of approach - get one mage, boost his power so he can convert another. Two mages gang up on a third mage, who joins or perishes. Three mages gang up on the fourth, who likewise joins or perishes, and so on and so forth. Move fast enough and the other mages won't have time to unite or coordinate, and we could clean up on the Art front.

    Or are we not being quite that ruthless just yet?

    It doesn't need to be outright mage-duels, I guess - maybe peer-pressure would work just as well.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:19 No.6192269
    Excellent, now we should decide what our mages shall do with themselves.


    A: one preaches in secret while the other converts other renegade mages.

    B: both preach in the two different towns

    C: both concentrate in turning all the local mages then refer to A and B.

    "Your redemption was completed when you embraced the truth my child."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:20 No.6192273
    Time to introduce Zhuang to Hagran?

    Redeem himself by serving, of his free will, our son for a while? Just as a casual suggestion?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:21 No.6192286
    We made that Hephaestus/Hagran thing for a reason. There is no need to do battle, yet.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:21 No.6192292
    No lawyers? This is unacceptable, We may be in the bronze age, But dammit out knowledge of law has to go somewhere! Sides this new towns got an "Eye for an Eye" type law and we can't have that.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:21 No.6192293
    Inform him of Hagran, and get them to convert Ligrish. We need him on our side too.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:22 No.6192296
    >Whee! Aren't eldritch abominations FUN?

    >Well... Hyperion's symbol is the Awesome Face. Half of the NPCs have greek names. Having a pornstar goddess kinda fits into this madness.

    >Trying to do that, most of the time. Also, Hagran's craftsman side requires patience, doesn't it?

    It seems that it's a "search the other islands extensively" operation.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:22 No.6192300
    To open yourself to new knowledge is to redeem yourself.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:22 No.6192303
    First lets actually take control of the towns?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:22 No.6192305
    Again, I think we already settled on not being an oppressive god. We're not going to force our will on anyone, we will just inspire faith, and those who comes, comes. That doesn't mean we can't bring down mages who are a threat, as we are all about protecting. But no forcing belief on anyone.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:23 No.6192319
    what are they searching for? Us?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:24 No.6192328
    The quality of this thread is far lower than that of the previous ones.
    OP, on behalf of all anons, I apologize.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:24 No.6192331
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:24 No.6192334
    Well, I agree, even if I did propose mindcontrol earlier, but >>6192262 has a point with "more mages? even more mages!"

    We do want to influence the people at the top if we want to break off the soon-to-be-sushi ones.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:25 No.6192339
    Honestly, I've got to say OP is responsible as well. He's the one in charge of leading the story. If he just sits back and doesn't do anything, then nothing comes out of it.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:25 No.6192346
    I... I have to agree... I apologize as well Reality, the problem is not with your device.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:26 No.6192353
    With Ligish, you take a much more direct approach. He knows Zhuang well and is easily convinced of your existence and good intentions. When you tell him of the Masters' deceptions, he remains calm.
    "That's funny. Somewhere deep inside, I always suspected this. I suppose you can't live in denial forever."
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:26 No.6192358
    I love these threads.
    Anyway how about trying to convert those guards/Ligrish as well? Or maybe we should finish with Zhuang first?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:26 No.6192361
    >It seems that it's a "search the other islands extensively" operation.

    Okay, we need to find out why.

    Either they're searching the islands for us and just doesn't know where to look. But I believe they begun this mustering of forces before we talked to the masters.

    Or it's something else that is stirring up trouble. And the enemy of an enemy is a prospective ally. We could sure use one of those.

    How do we go about it?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:26 No.6192363
    T-that was easy.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:27 No.6192370

    I think this thread is mostly dealing with the revelation of the true nature of the Masters, and working out how to react.

    I'd like to expedite getting Ligrish on-side, if that's at all possible. If he won't join out of loyalty to humanity, perhaps we can lure him with promises of vast knowledge.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:27 No.6192371
    You mean the enemy of my enemy dies next?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:27 No.6192374

    "The flame of knowlege has lit your path and the willfully ignorant darkness has fallen away. You have done nothing to need redeeming, for who can blame a man not knowing where to find a torch for stumbling in the dark?
    If you wish to serve the cause of the flame of knowlege, there is but one thing that must be done: the peoples of these lands are not out foes, but our allies as yet shrouded in darkness. Open their minds slowly to the light, then pass my beacon unto them, as my disciple has given unto you."
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:28 No.6192387
    >I'm trying to avoid forcing the decisions I'd make on you. Though this thread seems more "Here's my idea" than "Let's discuss a few ideas together", which makes it harder to work with.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:29 No.6192395
    well, that was easy... maybe too easy?

    We need to keep an eye on them and make sure they don't fall again, or betray us
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:29 No.6192401
    I think we should scour Ligrish and Zhuang's minds for knowledge we do not yet possess. Also see as to their current loyalty to us.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:30 No.6192410
    Is Ligish's mind open to use now? Can we read him like we can our other followers, or is he still blocked to us?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:30 No.6192413
    You'd say it's the illusion spell you used to cover Otto's retreat, the illusionary doubles. They chose to focus on the wrong Ottos and therefore - the wrong islands.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:31 No.6192425
    >I feel bad for even suggesting it. But a reboot with a planned story/systematic might be good. The Deity Quest is a 5/5 idea, its just that our faggotry and the lack of borders or 'solids' in the world is like oil to the flame.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:31 No.6192427
    Go with this, and then ask them to share all their knowledge about the Masters for they are still largely unknown to us.
    In addition, ask Zhuan and Ligish about the more influential people they know and if they think it's possible to convert them to our cause.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:31 No.6192435
    Let's fast forward some.

    We create Shyla and introduce her to our people. And we have Andreus, Zuang, and Ligrish convert the guard captain.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:32 No.6192437
    oh shut up, he's managed fine so far.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:32 No.6192438
    Well, Andreus has been subtly working on them since the very beginning. This was the culmination of the efforts put into converting them.

    Their minds are open to you and they are dedicated to your cause with the same zeal they had shown towards the Masters before.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:32 No.6192442
    that makes sense. We're almost too clever for our own good, planning that in advance like we did
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:33 No.6192451
    After this, I mean, a Deity Quest ver 2.0 if you will.

    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:33 No.6192454
    >No, I'm not going to do that. The very idea behind this quest is "Start with these conditions and see where /tg/ takes me". I like doing open worlds.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:33 No.6192458

    Rather than being created, I like the idea that for a new god, an exemplar of their ideologies among the humans should be there to champion it, like with Talos and Hagran.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:33 No.6192467
    Why would we need another goddess right now?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:34 No.6192470
    I say we take this island now, while the guards are away - either by converting the remaining guards, or overpowering them if need be.

    Given that lots of guards are on the move, there's a risk that they'll all come piling on our heads once we move to open rebellion, so inciting trouble on the other islands should help to keep them occupied.

    So, on this island our target becomes the captain of the guard. Do Ligish and Zhuang have any ideas of how to bring him on-side? Peacefully, if possible.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:34 No.6192479
    Talos, Andreus and Plato are prime material for Hero-gods.
    Post-mortem anyhow.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:35 No.6192495

    Or at least Saints.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:36 No.6192498
    dammit why did this awesome thread have to come up just as I was going to sleep. :'(
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:37 No.6192512
    Rise from your grave!

    >an apology http://g.e-hentai.org/g/162413/43aa3625fc/
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:37 No.6192520
    I prefer the idea of them being reborn into a new vessel

    so they can hone their knowledge further and all that
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:39 No.6192545
    Eh, I did think of a Hero system after we crack the Soul/Mind machine, and create my Life/Death gods to watch over the whole thing.

    My idea was mainly based off F/SN... lynch me.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:39 No.6192546
    "Your will be done. Let nobody be left in this accursed darkness. We shall spread the light."

    They already told everything they knew about the Masters to Andreus during his training. As for influential people, there's the captain of the guard, of course, and some officials. The former's loyalty has shifted from the Masters to the mages by now, seeing as he's taking his orders from them all the time. The latter are mostly interested in their own well-being.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:39 No.6192550
    Your forgetting Otto, However i like the idea of just giving him enhancements and immortal life then giving him a new body, Unless it was a new body of an even more bad ass otter
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:40 No.6192559
    >Life/Death gods
    Dear god no.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:42 No.6192574
    You think thats horrible? See the second thread for more info.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:42 No.6192579


    First things first: No more tributes to the Masters. All resources go towards the wellbeing of the islanders, and building up stockpiles in case we get hit with an ocean blockade.

    Get Hagran to take a look at the island's settlements, using what we know of the Masters and the Guards to determine the best way to defend ourselves while we build up our powerbase here.

    How's Plato's messenger-bird network doing? What's the news from the other islands?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:42 No.6192581

    Didn't we decide on making androgynous twins as gods of life and death in the first or second thread?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:43 No.6192584
    I dunno the androgynous twin wives sounds kinda funny and is sure to give some fucked up family values to the followers.
    Bigamy fuck yeah!
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:43 No.6192586
    Yes. Yes we did.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:43 No.6192591
    >First things first: No more tributes to the Masters. All resources go towards the wellbeing of the islanders, and building up stockpiles in case we get hit with an ocean blockade.
    Wouldn't the "no more tribute" be a huuuuge warning sign that where there?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:44 No.6192601
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:44 No.6192603
    On the note of tributes to the Masters... what exactly happens to them after they're taken away? Where are they taken, how are they offered? Can we observe that?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:44 No.6192604
    Who said anything about wives?
    This is a pantheon not a dating show.

    Also they were also meant to be underage, not like that would have bothered the antique gods.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:46 No.6192624

    Yeah, this is a terrible idea. Keep spreading better farming techniques around the island, so people get more food, but DON'T change anything that the Masters can see.

    We already fucked up in letting them know we exist, although we didn't realize they were such bastards when we talked with them.

    Keep spreading faith, keep improving farming technique, and keep converting mages, working up the food chain as much as possible. Once we have enough mages under our thumb, then the captain of the guard will do what we say anyways.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:46 No.6192632

    True, but the sudden surplus from not having to pay massive tributes any more should go a long way towards winning over the populace at large - their hard work is going to them now, rather than to some mysterious overlords, which was a big source of grumbling and discontent when we first arrived.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:47 No.6192635
    What was it again? Left at the edge of water then disappear by overnight?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:47 No.6192636
    And honestly whoever the fuck decided to tell them that we need faith to exist?
    Fucking moronic move there.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192647

    Oh, that was it. Can we watch what happens at night, in that case?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192651
    If that high mage dude (Tymon?) is loyal then we've just tipped them off tho. And possibly screwed over our chances with some of the guard as well...
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192652

    Ah, well. We are the God of Knowledge, after all. Makes sense that we'd suck at lying.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192654

    I don't remember telling anyone that we NEED faith to exist.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192655
    >Fate / Stay Night? That's the one with summoning heroes from the past, right?

    A few days later, the island is under your control. The captain of the guard converted willingly, most of the guards accepted the change in leadership without questioning it.

    The bird network is meant for communication between the villages on this island. One, your alphabet hasn't spread beyond the island, and using the pictograms is risky. Two, it works like messenger pidgeons - you take them with you and when you release them, they fly back home.
    Getting rid of the tribute wins you much popularity.
    Hagran promises to take care of the island's defenses, starting with reforging the metal weapons.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:48 No.6192659

    If we can get the guard captain on-side, how about skimming from the tributes? Our improved farming techniques will provide more and more food, but if we keep the tributes the same as they were we should be able to discreetly build up stockpiles of our own without them noticing.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:49 No.6192667
    Guys, we need to boil the seas.

    Let me repeat that, BOIL THE SEAS: LET'S DO IT.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:49 No.6192671
    >Right, didn't think of that. My bad. Consider that ret-conned.
    >> Floater Commander 10/08/09(Thu)18:50 No.6192678
    shit missed this somehow (that damned requirement to eat and sleep at regulare intervals!) so quick update, how we doin sense otter tank pulled his fast one yesterday?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:50 No.6192679
    >I don't remember telling anyone that we NEED faith to exist.

    >i am not of FLESH or BLOOD
    i am an idea FOREVER AND UNDYING and so long as you know this... as ANYONE knows this... i shall NEVER die

    >"Therefore when you are forgotten, you shall cease to exist."
    >"A simple task."
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:51 No.6192687
    >Yep, in short: guy is awesome, awesome guy dies, World says "wanna join me?", awesome guy says "okay", his soul gets saved in a central archive, shit arises, World sends out a copy of the soul enhanced by the legend around the awesome guy, thus we have EPIC guy.

    We should spread the alphabet once we have mages/people across other islands, but first, >>6192624
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:51 No.6192688
    We need more news of other islands.

    I propose investing some of our power in a wide-ranging seabird, to fly to the other islands and keep an eye on troop movements.

    Assuming we can't just Eye of Sauron it and look over there for ourselves.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:51 No.6192694
    Get construction of palisade walls around the towns cities, and roads connecting them. We want to make a "global village" across the entire island.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:51 No.6192695
    >Gah, forgot to mention this. I should slow the pace down a bit, I think, since I skip some things.
    Tymon and his apprentice have been called away for the hunt some time ago.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:52 No.6192700
    Why use Fate/Stay?
    Didn't Basic (Moldvay or Mentzer I think?) have a system for Immortals, Hero Gods and Leader of Pantheons?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:52 No.6192701
    We're converting mages with industrial efficiency.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:53 No.6192708
    That's a much better alternative to "down with the tribute". In the long run, it will matter greatly.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:53 No.6192713
    >we didn't realize
    The picture should have really tipped you off.
    And seriously the gods. SERIOUSLY.
    But oh well, it's fun this way too. :)
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:53 No.6192716

    Also prepare some kind of fastness further inland, out of reach of the ocean. If the Masters start fucking up our shit around the coast we might need to evacuate the civilians to somewhere safer.
    >> Floater Commander 10/08/09(Thu)18:54 No.6192719
    because in fate/stay you recharge the powers of your heros by having sex with them?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:54 No.6192723
    Yes, you should be able to do that. The time for paying tribute is drawing near.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:55 No.6192737
    dis is a good idea.
    Also maybe we should train/teach our mages some stuff / have them recruit more people if viable?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:55 No.6192739

    Alright, so next mission: finding out how Tymon (head mage guy) communicates with the Masters. Once we figure out how he contacts them, and what the dialogue between them are, we can determine our next course of action in that regard.

    Also, find someone with an aptitude for teaching the alphabet, and have that fucker go nuts. Literacy is extremely important to the war effort, and on top of that, is one of the simplest and easy ways to make Big Pappy Knowledge happy.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:55 No.6192741
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    What shall we do with him? I doubt he'll join us.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:55 No.6192744
    Have the guards skim the tributes as much as is doable without notice. Also farming techniques will go a long way to getting us more food.

    Also, this: >>6192667
    It will increase landmass and allow us to grow (longterm, but whatever) and lessen the realm of the Masters. Win-win. Question is how do we do it?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:55 No.6192746
    >Wait, what? Didn't hear that particular piece of information yet.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:57 No.6192763
    Make sure to imbue those mages we've converted and are loyal to us with some of our power, as well as any knowlege of the Art relevant to them that we might have gleaned from our own experimentation with it. Will help keep them loyal, as well as inspire others to do the same.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:57 No.6192769

    I meant after Tymon and his apprentice give up on the hunt. Hopefully if we lay really low, the Masters will stop looking actively.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)18:58 No.6192783
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    Easy, pic related.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)18:58 No.6192787
    Its an option, but usually they get fed off ambient mana generated by the master, unless the master is a fucking idiot or loser. Then you can only fuck. Now imagine Shirou with Alexander the Great.

    Is the BOIL THE SEA idea more extreme then my LIFT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA idea?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)18:59 No.6192791
    You begin constructing fortifications.

    That's not an easy task, but nevertheless, preparations begin.
    >> Floater Commander 10/08/09(Thu)18:59 No.6192800
    Fate/stay is a hentai game/visual novel I had a freind who was HUGE into the people who made it, played all their games so I got a indepth rundown of the grail wars, of which I remember very little. The anime left out the porny bits (but left the gay bulge, which never fails to penitrate its target).
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:00 No.6192809
    >I have a simple answer for you: Do both.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:00 No.6192815
    Well, Seems to me we need a fail safe,
    Get to work on constructing one golem body and transfer one of our most dedicated believers into it, The transfer that body into am small isolated area, (maybe the soul stuff plane?) and just have him worship. The golem body should take care of any of his needs and provide him with constant happiness,

    And thus our failsafe.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:00 No.6192817

    Teaching the alphabet is important, but so is keeping it secret, for now. Working messages into "decorative" designs and religious texts into "abstract" ornamentation is the way to go. Plus, the more ubiquitous our Word becomes, the better. Have it inscribed on everyday objects, so that our teachings become part of the fabric of everyday life.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:01 No.6192829
    1E Ad&d luve.
    Also Lords of Madness page 15 to 32 has stuff on the Deep Masters. (Aboleths)
    Holashner - Shudde M'ell or Tsathoggua
    Y'chak - Nyarlathotep or Hastur
    Piscaethces - Cthulhu or Shub-Niggurath
    Shothotugg - Azatoth
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:02 No.6192835
    Can the mages detect magic like, for instance, familiars? Can the Masters, even? I doubt it considering they lost the real Otto when we created copies of him.

    Since we are capable of creating familiars I suggest we create seagulls for scouting the other islands and rats or other small animal for espionage. We should especially spy on Tymon or at the very least search his room.

    Maybe provide Zhuang and Ligish with their own familiars? As a token of our appreciation if nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:02 No.6192837

    Undersea Volcanic Eruption! That's like the Hydrogen Bomb in this little universe. This is way way way long term, but would accomplish everything we want; more metal, more landmass, boiling deadly seas, and WAY less of those fishy fucks.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:02 No.6192841
    Fate/stay night is shit and it doesn't fit here.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:02 No.6192842
    Ligish has communicated with the Masters' servants from time to time, though cannot initiate the contact on his own. Should it happen again, you will notice it.

    You begin spreading the alphabet on the island, having found some adequate teachers.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:03 No.6192851

    Tsunamis. Not so great, unless we can figure a way to protect our chosen people from the cataclysm.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:03 No.6192856
    Check with the mages of what they know of Tymon and his way of contacting the masters. (assuming he's the top mage)
    Also who is his apprentice?
    >> Floater Commander 10/08/09(Thu)19:04 No.6192863
    Burn the land and Boild the Sea
    You can't take the sky from me.

    But yea boiling the sea ould be extinction level for the ocean, and take phenominal power (I have a chemical engineering degree, I could calculate it for you). Also no more fishing, and massive CO2 buildup (most photosenthises is done by plankton, like in the 80 or 90% range) Raising a section would be extinction level for the section raised and cause major floods/earthquacks causing damage on the land.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:04 No.6192867
    Those bastards will survive most stuff.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:04 No.6192882
    >>6192817 Have it inscribed on everyday objects, so that our teachings become part of the fabric of everyday life.

    I like this idea but take it one step further. Either take over, or though gifting relevant people with knowlege, have turn one of our islands into, a major centre for the creation and export of things like textiles and other goods. Into those goods, holy passages and other truths could be woven in out alphabet. When we teach or enlighten someone about our alphabet, they would then see our word around them all the time in everyday life, helping with conversions.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:05 No.6192888
    Boiling the sea actually does more, technically. Because even if you raise the seafloor, you have the same amount of water that still needs to go somewhere, so you're just raising the waterline. And boiling away water gives more landmass right away.

    Reality, I tap two mountains and two islands and cast Boil. Your turn.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:05 No.6192889
    Can't wait to nuke the sea out from under the Masters.

    You must be new here.

    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:05 No.6192893
    I vote we make a golem for us or Hagran to inhabit in defense of the island.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:06 No.6192912
    >Going with Shudde M'ell, Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath respectively.

    They can. You did whatever you could to create the most convincing illusions possible, though, including an artificial magical aura. You could try to mask an existing aura, though it seems harder to accomplish.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:08 No.6192944
    >Burn the land and Boild the Sea
    >You can't take the sky from me.

    Exactly that was my inspiration. High-five bro!

    However, we're a fucking god. I don't think we need to concern ourselves with petty physical consequences. This is a fantasy trope after all.

    I mean, I like realism and science as much as the next guy, but if you're gonna shout that out all the time there won't be much left we can do. But I doubt that was you were trying to say, so no sweat.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:08 No.6192945

    We've just about got one island so far, I believe - we've yet to really extend our reach to the others.

    I suggest that the inland fastness should be part stronghold, part school, part temple retreat. Let the initiated go there to learn and teach others.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:09 No.6192950
    Forget the boil the sea idea. It would cause too much problems. Our worshippers would surely die from one of the sideeffects.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:09 No.6192955
    To those of you not familiar with Aboleths.
    Let's just make this quite clear from the get go.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:10 No.6192964
    Uh, under boil the sea, we meant, a certain amount of sea, right? Not like, every bit of water? That would be a tad bit out of our current reach, methinks.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:10 No.6192970
    You begin using animals and vermin as your scouts.
    You also give your prophets familiars. The gift is much appreciated.

    Tymon usually kept to himself. Not much is known about him. His apprentice is Galen, another mage from this island, stronger than Zhuang, but weaker than Ligish. They both left the island.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:10 No.6192974
    >You must be new here.
    Actually not at all.

    But this is a quest primarily concerned with greek mythos and some D&D fluff. Adding Anime tropes to it will not be any sort of good.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:11 No.6192975
    Fuck yes Island retreat/Keep.
    also this.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:12 No.6192994
    >Lessee... Counterspell? Is that one still legal? Been a while since I played.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:12 No.6193007
    >Greek mythos? In name only, I think. And some universal tropes.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:13 No.6193019
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    Dammit we need to know more about these other islands.
    Send explorers.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:13 No.6193023
    >>6192888 Because even if you raise the seafloor, you have the same amount of water that still needs to go somewhere, so you're just raising the waterline. And boiling away water gives more landmass right away.

    You may not be aware, but boiling things does not actually remove them from existance, either.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:13 No.6193025
    Boiling the sea or raising the seafloor is beyond your capabilities for now, anyway. You still have plenty of time to decide the details.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:13 No.6193028

    Hrm, well played Reality, well played.

    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:14 No.6193036
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    The Heroic Spirit system still would have worked 100%, and I can't taste the anime in that.

    Should we not decide on how we deal with him when he returns? I'm guessing our 3 mages with divine assistance could take him and his apprentice, but... dunno...
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:14 No.6193039
    You don't exactly have means to animate it, except for perhaps stuffing a soul in it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:15 No.6193045
    I am aware, and it will increase humidity by alot. But I'd think that'd be less of a problem than floods and our followers drowning.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:15 No.6193053

    Awesome idea! Monastery type retreat. Young 'uns of all kind show up to learn basically everything, science, metallurgy, farming. In return, we get a well-educated middle class that also has weapons training. This is fucking awesome.


    If Tymon isn't very approachable by himself, then we should go through Galen. Search out any knowledge about him, what he's like, who he's friends with, etc.

    Once Galen gets back, we should use him to learn more about Tymon, and convert Galen first, if possible.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:15 No.6193054
    Test run, have Talos create a tiny clay doll, then lets stuff it with soulstuff and see what happens.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:15 No.6193055
    Couldn't we ourselves inhabit it when the need arises? Or Hagran? Or Shyla even?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:16 No.6193056
    How many mages do we HAVE right now?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:16 No.6193059
    Three and a god versus two? You like the odds. Ligish's not much weaker than Tymon and with greater support, the difference is more than negated.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:16 No.6193064
    It is suprisingly dificult to be selective with boiling but yeah the system is large enouph we would not boil it all. It would be more energy effecent to break off a mountain or two and drop it on their underwater cities.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:16 No.6193066
    >The Heroic Spirit system still would have worked 100%, and I can't taste the anime in that.

    It just feels ACTIVATU SUPARU POWARHU MODU kind-of-anime to me. But maybe I'm just a retard.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:17 No.6193073
    Do we have any souls on demand?
    Or can we try to manipulate the crystal for a custom soul?
    On that note does the crystal take requests?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:17 No.6193074
    The anime is shit compared to the VN anyway, so we're both right.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:17 No.6193075
    Don't fuck around when it comes to the finishing blow.
    Crush them utterly.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:17 No.6193076
    It will be done. Though time is the most precious resource right now.

    As for Galen, noted.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:18 No.6193081

    This, can we get a status check on our islands and significant followers?

    As for Tymon, it's good to know we can take him if and when needed, but for know we should probably bide our time.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:18 No.6193082

    Two mages, one multiclass mage/cleric. Plus quite a few fighters.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:18 No.6193089
    Let's fast forward or time skip or whatever. Get this story off the ground. As a God, our time is infinite.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:19 No.6193097
    Teach our followers to domesticate beasts. (maybe just one but help out a lot to see to it that he doesn't fail?)
    Get attack dogs and Oxen to plow fields.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:20 No.6193103
    Not asking for a skip as such, but could we get some more of the human side of things going now that we've spent a while on grand strategy?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:20 No.6193105
    It quickly gets covered with moss, as soulstuff leaks out of it and into the lifeforms on its surface

    >Ooh, that's exactly how gods manifest in my default D&D setting.
    Yes, you could do such a thing. However, having autonomous servants would be a boon.

    You didn't make any real progress with the crystal.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:21 No.6193114
    Fucking Crossbows. (easy to learn to use)
    or if that's too much Bows. (a lot harder but effective)
    Or maybe those don't fit in to the current timeperiod?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:21 No.6193118
    Is the moss covered mini golem alive?

    Let's try to get a small garrison of terra cotta style automatons.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:22 No.6193121
    Depends on what you mean with selective. Sure, if we're talking *BIOLING*, then the whole seas has to boil. But if we stop shooting in power and warmth into the seas when or shortly before we've reached the desired effect, it would eventually calm down.

    It's not gonna POOF and then go away.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:22 No.6193124
    >Got anyone specific in mind?

    >I think domesticated animals exist already. I said Bronze Age level, right?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:22 No.6193126
    We need us some versatile, easy to use/produce armor.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:22 No.6193128
    Attack dogs plowing the fields?!?! :3

    Also, with our growing power, could we not try to tamper with the Device some more? Targeted soul implantation would solve the golem thing, also lots of delicious options from there.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:22 No.6193131

    Try injecting soulstuff into different materials, like rock, metal, bone, crystal, etc, to see if any are "soultight", so to speak.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:23 No.6193133
    time? time doesn't matter as long as we have the knowledge and materials.

    we should focus on spears or polearms in general, we dont have enough metal (any at all?) to forge swords.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:23 No.6193138
    Rather then boiling, work on tectonic activity. A new continent there, a new trench there, and it all balances out.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:23 No.6193141
    With our wide-ranging scouts, are we able to do things through them?

    Stuff like laying false trails, if the guards are on one side of the islands then cause miracles or apparitions on the opposite side of the islands that'll have the guards scrambling all over the goddamn archipelago looking for us.

    Thus buying us time to consolidate our position.

    In fact, that'd be freakin' awesome - have illusionary Ottos showing up all over the place, constantly confounding and outwitting the guards so he becomes a trickster-type folk hero among the oppressed and disgruntled populace.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:24 No.6193143
    You're a god of knowledge. If it doesn't exist, you help invent it. Crossbows it is, as bows exist already.

    No, pure soul-stuff without a consciousness doesn't seem to cut it.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:24 No.6193144
    >269 posts and 7 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

    We've reached the bump limit no?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:25 No.6193148
    I vote to work on golem and soul stuff research
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:25 No.6193150

    Mental note: work on how to make some sort of Heavenly Host as soon as possible.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:25 No.6193151
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    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:25 No.6193157
    Heavenly hosts are Luciferbait.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:25 No.6193158
    >Freakin' awesome indeed.
    You use your superior scouts and illusions to confuse the enemy forces and send them on wild goose chases. Once they stop reacting, you use real Otto to spread your faith.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:26 No.6193167
    we shouldn't reveal ourselves at all. an unknown, hidden foe will probably make them piss their pants. besides, of they feel that they are led on a wild goose chase by the masters, they might start to doubt them.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:27 No.6193171
    Have we decided on war leaders yet?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:27 No.6193173

    Any word on this? Maybe the soulstuff needs to be contained by a crystal, like the one in the afterlife.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:27 No.6193183
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    A note to give Otto human level intelligence later.

    Also, the tome detailing our legend shall be called this: pic related.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:28 No.6193191
    Like it has been mentioned, objects designed with this purpose in mind can hold soul-stuff.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:28 No.6193193
    That hasn't been a problem in the last few threads. We're already enough many in here and it lives until Reality has to go to sleep.

    My guess is he's German.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:29 No.6193204

    >Did we hit autosage?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:30 No.6193217

    UKer, I think - he's on the same timezone as me.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:30 No.6193219

    >Nothing specific, just feel like advancing the human-scale plot a little after we're finished strategizing before we skip to "Okay, the work on ... has been completed".
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:30 No.6193223
    >Just a bit further to the east.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:31 No.6193233

    Yeah, we hit autosage. New thread?
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:31 No.6193234
    Otto needs to become the trickster god in our up-and-coming Pantheon.

    The benevolent trickster rebel good of righteousness.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:31 No.6193236
    Yes, the thread is on page 2 or 3 now. Might as well start a new one.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:31 No.6193242
    Know what we need?
    Maps/Cartographers/compasses. (assuming our followers don't have explicit knowledge about the islands) (better to keep what we know abstract though)
    and in case our alphabet doesn't contain it yet, a numbering system.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:31 No.6193244
    I hope not, its 1:31am around here in middle Europe.

    Reality, small continuous stream of soulstuff+mortal=does not die of old age?
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:32 No.6193252
    Do you wish to experiment with the crystal again?
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:33 No.6193264
    This, I second it.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:34 No.6193271
    We do.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:34 No.6193272
    Human-scale plot... Plato's still doing his thing, right? How's his wife doing as the chosen one of our goddess of fertility and farming?

    Getting the guard captain more invested in our cult seems like a good idea - get Andreus to introduce him to the idea, then have Hagran show off his awesomeness to the captain.

    If we can the local guards following a martial cult based around Hagran, that'd give us an extra-dedicated fighting force.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:34 No.6193278
    What happens if we stuff soulstuff into something living? Start small with, say, a random fly.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:35 No.6193288

    Good idea. They can be the warrior-wing of the scholar/priest caste.
    >> Blackheart 10/08/09(Thu)19:36 No.6193292
    Reality said that... bad things would happen. If we take it too far, otherway, healing.
    >> Reality !ta922ttXCI 10/08/09(Thu)19:36 No.6193295
    >Yeah, 1:34 AM on my clock right now. Will manage a few more hours, though.
    Noted. Both will take time, though.

    New thread: >>6193290
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:36 No.6193297
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    We should have Hagran create a golden colored Golem for us to use.
    >> Anonymous 10/08/09(Thu)19:38 No.6193329

    That's the problem though, it's apparently a bitch to animate stuff like that. I think we need to find out how a soul is sealed within the human body before we can try to replicate it in something else, you know?

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