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    9 KB Deity Quest Reality 10/05/09(Mon)16:20 No.6145656  
    You exist. That is your only quality. Yet you did not possess it a mere moment ago. Why?

    You extend your senses in search of an answer.
    You become aware of the Place. You exist within the Place and the Place simply exist. There is nothing more to it.

    You also become aware of another existence, beyond the Place. It has many other qualities, most of which you cannot comprehend yet. However, you determine that it is a "mind", one that currently "contemplates" the very concept of existence - your existence. You are quite certain that you can transmit the concept of either "existence" or "nonexistence" to this "mind".

    What do you do?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)16:22 No.6145688
    Transmit the concept of "existence".
    Explore said concept, trying to experience as much of its meaning as possible.
    Experience myself as an existence within but also distant from the Place.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)16:31 No.6145821

    You transmit the concept of "existence".
    There is not much meaning in the concept, as you understand it. One can either exist or not.

    Or maybe your understanding was imperfect. You feel your existence strengthen as the mind receives your message and becomes certain of your existence. It seems that your existence is somehow tied to what the mind... "Believes"?

    You become acquainted with the concept of "faith". You feel that it is crucial to your nature.

    Satisfied for a moment, you turn your attention to the Place. For now, the mind defines it vaguely, as "someplace where you exist". It is definitely separate from you, though it has no qualities of its own.

    The mind begins contemplating your nature. You are flooded with new ideas. The most prominent of them is "deity/spirit" - a being existing beyond the world native to the mind, yet capable of influencing it.
    How do you respond to this concept?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)18:53 No.6147697

    I reply that i am indeed a deity/spirit
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)18:59 No.6147758
    Wonder how, as a deity, I exist without humans to believe in me.

    Quickly make the universe, the earth, all the natural laws, and humans to believe in me.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)19:44 No.6148333
    You don't have such capabilities yet. Be patient and gain a power base first.

    You reply to the human. You're not actually sure about the "influence the world" deal, though.
    Nevertheless, the human's mind accepts your nature as a deity. His thoughts are now occupied with more detailed questions about your nature. It seems he expects you to be a deity "of something", whatever that means.
    You manage to probe his mind in search for knowledge and become familiar with many basic concepts.
    >Civilization level: approximately bronze age
    You feel that you should consider your next answer carefully - if the human's belief is what defines you, the choice before you is crucial.
    What do you tell the human?
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)19:47 No.6148355

    Tell him the Earth is in the center of the universe, then tell him his new name is Plato.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:47 No.6148364
    God of fire and creation, but also destruction
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:48 No.6148368

    I am a deity of knowledge and invention, the highest pursuit is that of knowledge. At the same time I am a protector-spirit, as there is no point in having knowledge without the ability to stay alive and spread that knowledge
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)19:48 No.6148374
    He accepts this divine knowledge without questioning you. He starts thinking of you as the Giver of Knowledge.
    How do you react?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:50 No.6148390
    I ask him how I might be able to help him help me grow stronger
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)19:50 No.6148393
    It is done. You are the Giver and Protector of Knowledge.
    Plato humbly asks whether you have a name as well as this title, o Great One.
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)19:50 No.6148398

    Probe his mind for information relating to his peers and the location in which he lives, if positive, tell him to spread the world.

    Supply him with more knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:51 No.6148407
    The One, is sufficient for now
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:55 No.6148444
    respond with doubt
    we just barely got the hang of existing... we should probably wait with names...
    we... Are...
    that is enough for now
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)19:57 No.6148459
    He lives in a small village, home to about thirty adults, not counting the guards. The village's main role is growing crops, most of which are taken away as tribute to whoever the guards serve.
    The land is fertile and full of life, both plants and animals. There is a large river flowing nearby.
    The village uses mostly stone tools, though the guards are in possession of weapons made of metal.
    Most of the villagers aren't happy with the fact that most of their crops is taken away from them.
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    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)19:59 No.6148490
    try to give him knowledge to increase crop harvests
    give knowledge of metal working and mining to create better tools
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:00 No.6148505
    Very well.

    You finally manage to sense the minds of other villagers. While they haven't heard of you yet, you sense they won't be skeptical. The guards, however, are an entirely different matter. You can barely sense their thoughts - it seems they are dedicated to some cause beyond your understanding. You doubt they'd allow Plato to spread the word openly.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:04 No.6148547
    You find that you are able to gather knowledge easily - undoubtedly the result of Plato's belief. You discover some simple methods that could increase the harvest as much as threefold. It seems Plato has some authority among his peers - he should be able to convince them to whatever innovations you tell him of.

    Metal tools are a different matter altogether. You cannot find any useful ores in the area. It seems the metal weapons of the guards were forged in a distant place.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:06 No.6148562

    Instruct him how to create an incendiary device using the local beer and torches.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:09 No.6148582
    >"An incendiary device"? Not quite sure what you mean, could you elaborate?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:10 No.6148589
    molotov cocktail but in a very rural way
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:13 No.6148617
    Wait, no...wait until others acknowledge our existence. If we do this now, Plato could die. We need to exist.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:13 No.6148619
    right! let's cult it up then

    right, so fighting for independence will be some way off...

    give basic knowledge of hygiene, should decrease death in childbirth and stillborns.
    give further knowledge of herbs and plants in the area with positive health effects
    give decree that a sacred caste be created whose divine task is the education and protection of the children

    what does our Plato know of writing? do they have a written language?
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:14 No.6148640
    You devise a simple, yet effective weapon, which can be constructed using simply alcohol, a pot or vase and some cloth. You bestow the knowledge upon Plato. Judging by the attitude of the guards, weapons may be needed soon. Plato agrees with your divine will.
    It seems most villagers would rebel against the guards, given a chance. You are fairly certain that such an unexpected attack, coupled with innovative weaponry, will be successful.
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:18 No.6148681

    Let's call ourselves "Sophia", Greek for Wisdom.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:19 No.6148686
    Plato does show restraint and is not eager to fight the opressors alone. He will spread the word in secrecy first.
    You bestow further knowledge upon Plato. He thanks you for such generous gifts.
    As for writing, the guards use it. Plato has been educated by one of them in order to serve as a keeper of records, but he only knows how to write down numbers and a few simple nouns, such as "grain" or "cloth".
    Should he acquire a sample of writing, though, you probably will be able to discover its meaning.
    Devising an alternate writing system is also an option.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:20 No.6148696
    >There were two votes for "no name yet" earlier. Do you want to change this decision?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:21 No.6148721
    Let us call ourselves Hyperion, after the Greek Titan of Light - for are we not the light?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:22 No.6148726
    We devise an alternate writing system based upon runes.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:24 No.6148754
    Indeed, a method of communicating unknown to guards will be very useful. You devise an alphabet, much simpler and more abstract than the pictographs used by guards. With any luck, they will mistake writing for decorations or meaningless scrawlings. Teaching the alphabet to the villagers shouldn't be a problem either.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:26 No.6148777

    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:29 No.6148802
    it would appear that our power is quite lodged in the abstract for now, we will probably need to build up our worshippers before casting of the shackles of oppression... perhaps over several generations to build up a bigger community... 30 adults is quite a small group of followers...
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:31 No.6148814
    Fire is not exactly something you have control over...
    Unless you wish to use a "flame of knowledge" metaphor to expand your capabilities in that direction, knowledge, like fire, having potential both benign and destructive.
    Do you wish to tell Plato of this new dogma?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:31 No.6148818
    >30 people

    Oh lawdy our followers are going to be inbred retarded...
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:33 No.6148835
    Casting off the shackles of oppression and gathering new followers under your sign does seem like a better option.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:33 No.6148838
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:33 No.6148839

    I do believe Plato has enough work for now, no need to crush with him our vast knowledge.

    Check if he has a mate, if so, ask him to contact her so we can too bestow on her part of our divine wisdom.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:36 No.6148851
    I suspect there is probably some degree of interbreeding with other local villages
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:38 No.6148870
    So we're letting Plato spread the word in secret. Fast Forward to when that's happened.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:38 No.6148876
    Like that one movie where all the stupid people rule the world since they're the only one's that breed.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:41 No.6148904
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:43 No.6148914
    He indeed has a mate, Agape. He calls for her to come and relays the revelation bestowed upon him to her. She is a simple, down-to-earth woman, used to accepting Plato's opinion when it comes to matters beyond her comprehension. She believes him without a doubt.

    You feel yourself strenghten as you gain another true follower.

    You are now able to contact Agape as easily as Plato. What do you wish to tell her?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:43 No.6148918
    Can we strike someone with lightning? Just once?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:43 No.6148920
    I second this
    let us leave Plato to share our gifts with his people an return in 20 years or so

    we are god of knowledge and invention, not the application of them
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:44 No.6148933
    We make contact, confirming her faith. We then tell her that as followers believe, we strengthen, and the women's circle of the village is a fantastic place to share and grow our strength.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:46 No.6148946
    Commune with Plato sexually, bear sons and daughters a many.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:46 No.6148948
    >You seem to be in minority here. Though, perhaps something can be done.

    Indeed. Travelling between villages isn't uncommon. It seems that the situation is similar everywhere, though.

    >Going to fast-forward as soon as we're done with Agape.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:46 No.6148950

    Plato is our prophet, it is he who will make our word known to the others and recieve our divine guidance. All laypersons of our faith will recieve a nominal endowment of useful knowledge to their professions (farmers learn to farm better, fishermen learn to fish better, ect...) but only Plato and subsequent prophets/priests will get the Big Ideas.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:49 No.6148964
    I second the idea of Holy Fire of Knowledge, transmitted thru the crude molotovs. Perhaps we strengthen them considerably, with actual divine fire further on down the road with more followers.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:50 No.6148973
    Well. We've told Plato and Agape to spread the word, given them a new written language in which to spread it discreetly, and taught them some new farming methods so people we'll know we're the real deal.

    Nothing else to do until they start proselytizing.
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:51 No.6148979

    Give Agape knowledge that would be useful for a woman of her position and age (basic hygiene, how to care for children and help pregnant women, etc.).
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:52 No.6148989
    give Agape standard women tasks... be fruitful and multiply and so on
    Have her share the faith with friends and children, nothing too heavy
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:53 No.6148999
    Agape gasps with amazement as she hears your divine voice. She accepts your commandments without hesitation.

    Several years pass.

    The village is now a centre of your cult. The guards are still oblivious, as Plato takes great care to organize gatherings in secrecy. The new alphabet was a great success. You occasionally contact your followers when you can bestow useful knowledge upon them, therefore keeping their faith strong.

    Today, an important event will occur. Andreus, a young man and a devout follower of your faith, shall move to a different village and will do his best to spread the word there. His family prays to you, asking you to protect their firstborn.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:53 No.6149000
    also; give knowledge to the women of shaving and make up... just because. . .
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:54 No.6149006

    Instruct Plato to make a wood or stone carving shaped like the awesome face to be the symbol of our cult, give it to Andreus.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:55 No.6149010
    >Assumed that.

    >Okay, let's have a vote on the "Holy Fire of Knowledge" idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:56 No.6149023
    While on the road, he is blinded by a light, in the first act of physical intervention we manage, we give him a staff with an orb of glass on the top that has a flame suspended within. This shall be the symbol of our new faith and proof of his claims to the new village.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:57 No.6149028
    grant him a familiar
    a small to medium sized land creature for the sake of practicality
    I'm thinking wolf sized but less threatening...
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:57 No.6149030

    Count me in for the fire of knowledge.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:57 No.6149031
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    The face of a man basking in glorious knowledge has become the symbol of your religion over the years. Plato entrusts Andreus with one of the holy symbols.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)20:58 No.6149041
    >less threatening
    >Are you sure about that?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)20:59 No.6149051
    Attempt to exist on earths dimensional plane and construct a glorious avatar of prismatic fire.
    >> Sergeant Alexandros II 10/05/09(Mon)20:59 No.6149056

    A cat perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:00 No.6149060
    >well... it's better than a wolf... suggestions welcome of course... just figured the bird type familiar for knowledge is a bit overdone
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:01 No.6149071
    Have we observed how intelligent or sensible this Andreus is? Besides his good taste in deities?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:02 No.6149074
    a Will'o'Wisp?
    glorious light, leads to great riches or great horror depending on the setting...
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:02 No.6149078
    cats are pretty smart, sure
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:03 No.6149086
    A familiar made of elemental fire (for the fire of knowledge) the size of an ocelot maybe?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:05 No.6149107

    Seconded. We're a god of knowledge, and cats know shit. His familiar must be a cat.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:06 No.6149116
    >It seems we're going with "The Fire of Knowledge"
    Andreus was going to travel by boat, but you send him a prophetic dream, convincing him to go alone and on foot.
    During his travel, you bestow a Staff of Holy Flames upon him.
    You influence the mind of a wandering wildcat, turning him into Andreus' faithful servant. You also mark the cat's fur with an orange, flame-like pattern.

    Andreus thanks you for your generous gifts and for making him your chosen agent.

    That is beyond your power, for now.

    Meanwhile, in the village, Plato asks you an important question during his daily prayer: "Oh Bestower of Knowledge, where do you reside?"
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:08 No.6149135
    He is quite a bright man. The guards have deemed it threatening to have both him and Plato in the same village and arranged for him to be sent away, under the pretext of "preventing inbreeding".
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:08 No.6149137
    Within the mind of all true believers, for I am in knowledge. In thought am I, and in thinking I breath. In life I live, in warmth am I.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:09 No.6149146
    ... in the Place ...
    beside the other place, where you reside
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:09 No.6149158

    "I exist wherever there is learning. I dwell in all places where knowledge is treasured. Your people must spread my home across the world."

    Also, now that we're in the minds of all the villagers, how much about the local history do we know? Whose the jerk who conquered these villages, and where is his empire based?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:10 No.6149162

    Within the hearts of poets and the minds of philosophers. I exist wherever a man is caught in the pursuit of knowledge regardless of his intent.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:12 No.6149191
    As you consider this answer, you can foresee the results:
    the Place will merge with the Material Plane, turning into a coexistant realm, with no features of its own. Are you sure you want to achieve that?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:12 No.6149194
    What region of the world is this? We should grant him a tool-using beast as a symbol of ourselves. Like an otter or something.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:13 No.6149195
    Explain the concept of the metaphysical versus the physical and emphasize the importance of finding more believers to strengthen you and spread the "warmth of knowledge."
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:14 No.6149211
    As far as you can tell, this is the status quo that has been preserved since time immemorial. The guards answer to higher authority in larger cities, which in turn serve some unknown beings called "the Masters". It worries you greatly that you cannot discover their presence.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:14 No.6149212

    Too late, we already picked a cat as our sacred animal.

    Though I guess there are some gods throughout history who have had more than one totem animal. Our second one can be a monkey or an otter or something.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:15 No.6149219
    It's the bronze age. That's way too heavy for a villager cult leader. Just tell him that we exist beyond the veil of his world or something like that.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:15 No.6149221
    If we're a god of knowledge, it would make sense to find the most learned man in the world and make him our Prophet.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:16 No.6149237

    Time immemorial? That probably means that the guards have been restricting the telling of history. If this empire was really that old, the people wouldn't be so resentful. They'd accept it as "just the way things are."

    We need to make converts in a major city and find out all we can about this civilization.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:17 No.6149242
    >Things exist that you can touch, see, hear, and smell.
    >Things also exist that you can comprehend but cannot sense.

    >metaphysical/physical for dummies.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:17 No.6149253
    As far as you can tell, educated people aren't open to the idea of gods. Just like the guards, they are dedicated to a different cause, presumably the one of "the Masters".
    Plato is about as educated as you can find while still open to the idea of religion.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:19 No.6149267
    That's a can of worms we don't want opened in his head.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:19 No.6149270
    i live in a vast repository of knowledge, anything and everything that is knowable is somewhere within the walls of my home. a smaller part of it is dedicated to turning knowledge into useful things to benefit my believers and creating gifts to them.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:20 No.6149283
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    I'll take it, then, that the Masters are a god or group of gods. Or at least claim to be.

    Bitches are going down.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:21 No.6149292
    fast forward when prophet gets to other village?
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:21 No.6149297
    You explain this concept to Plato. As he accepts it and spreads it in the village, you feel the Place shift and merge with the physical world.

    You now exist within the world, though immaterial, not beyond it, as you used to. Admittedly, the difference is not major, but now you don't have to concentrate on perceiving the material world.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:21 No.6149300

    We should mention it is our hope to bestow much of this knowledge upon humanity but in order to do so we must grow in power and there fore require him to help us get followers.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:22 No.6149308

    I suggest we think a LOT more carefully before defining ourselves from now on.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:22 No.6149310
    Gift Plato a simple book that holds the tenets you've told him so-far and room for much more writing
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:24 No.6149324
    >Let's take some time to codify the dogmas of our religion.
    Plato continues his pursuit of knowledge: "O Great One, is there an immaterial element in humans? Or are we but creatures of flesh and blood?"

    As a matter of fact, you can sense something within them. The word that comes to mind is "soul".
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:25 No.6149339
    If you tell them that anything and everything that is knowable is with us we'd turn into a minor god used by sages to find artifacts for adventurers.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:26 No.6149347
    >Dogmas can change over time, so there's nothing that can't be fixed.
    You bestow the Holy Book upon Plato. The gift is much appreciated, as the amount of knowledge he receives slowly grows beyond his capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:26 No.6149353

    Just cryptically say "indeed" or otherwise confirm it. Any particular details as to their soul presence? Is it in any way like our own?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:27 No.6149360
    Put my penis in their butts.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:27 No.6149365

    "Every human has an immortal soul; an intangible manifestation of his will and knowledge. When the flesh dies, the soul lives on. Those faithful to me are able to enter my celestial library after death...but being alive is still preferable to being dead, for what is knowledge without the means to use it?"
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:28 No.6149373
    Our dogma is as follows

    Life is truly a series of discoveries. The One knows many things but is always first to reward those who make discoveries in the pursuit of greater wisdom. Seek knowledge for it's own sake and you will find yourself in His great library, to live and to learn for all eternity reading from the infinite stores of knowledge the One possesses.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:28 No.6149376
    No no no. Heaven is for suckers.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:28 No.6149378
    Ugh, >>6149365 here. Put my revelation on hold until we can answer >>6149353's question. This must be discussed first.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:29 No.6149383
    I like this heaven, i vote for it
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:29 No.6149391
    Why have an afterlife at all? A truly altruistic religion wouldn't bribe its followers in such a way, but instead promise a brighter world for all others and all that follow. Through this act, you become immortal in the minds of Man.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:30 No.6149403

    A truly altruistic religion will also have no followers.

    Forget that noise, I'm all for rewarding our followers.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:30 No.6149405
    No, it is quite different. While you are powered by faith, their souls generate it. They also serve to animate their bodies. You are pretty certain both your essence and their souls are indestructible by mundane means, though.

    The Place shifts once more, forming a great library, though it still overlaps the material world.
    Plato accepts your teachings without question.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:31 No.6149412

    Our followers have immortal souls, as it turns out. That means we need to provide something for them, or else we'll be a shitty god.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:31 No.6149413
    I'd prefer a dogma in which a good life is it's own reward

    perhaps you the soul would be kept safe in the immaterium until such a time that the soul wishes to find out what lies beyond the final veil? we are a god of knowledge and discovery after all
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:32 No.6149416
    >Missed that. Okay, the second part of >>6149405 is put on hold.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:33 No.6149421
    Immortality is a reward and a better life is a reward. The thrill of knowledge and the blessed warmth that comes from hard work and betterment should be what our followers focus on, not some namby-pamby vast library. Otherwise we don't get True Believers after a certain point, just people cow-toed by their culture to fear not being able to join the secret clubhouse.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:33 No.6149432
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    join the guard, make something of your life
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:33 No.6149435
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:34 No.6149438
    "All humans have a spark of my divine fire within them, when it is kindled through study and contemplation, it grows and illuminates the world around us."

    "By learning and growing as a person, you can become more like I am and your spark will persist after the death of your mortal coil, so that you may burn on with me through eternity."
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:34 No.6149448
    I think souls should reincarnate, if only to encourage our followers to think in the long term.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:34 No.6149449
    Tell them the souls become part of collective of The One afterwards, and are therefore granted infinite knowledge and the power of a God.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:35 No.6149458
    I like these ideas.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:37 No.6149480
    what DOES happen when the followers die?
    have this happened since we Began?
    if we don't know then say that we do not know

    lies never help bring enlightenment
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:37 No.6149483

    We have the power to give those who work for the betterment of society and the pursuit of higher knowledge a reward for their good work beyond that which they get from doing it without us. Why shouldn't we offer it to them?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:38 No.6149496
    we could provide it, but just not tell them about it
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:39 No.6149503
    Because eventually they'll EXPECT it and not do good things for the sake of goodness and wisdom but because they've been forced to by everyone around them. Then they aren't believing in us, they're just blindly following, like the guards we're going to lead our followers to rebel against. The Vast Library is a bad idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:40 No.6149519
    We are incapable of lying. The very act of telling our followers about ourselves and the Place forces the concepts to change to align with their beliefs.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:41 No.6149532
    we should retcon the familiar into an otter as >>6149194
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:42 No.6149536
    Until now, whatever you told your followers became reality. It's hard to call that "lying".
    Nevertheless, as far as you can tell, when someone dies, his soul remains in the material world for some time before dissipating into nothingness. Perhaps "soul-stuff" is being recycled. You're not sure whether you could prevent the process.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:43 No.6149550
    Is that because we aren't strong enough yet or because it isn't the purview of the Gods? If the latter, then it must be a physical process.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:43 No.6149551
    An otter it is, then.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:44 No.6149560

    We have the ability to directly influence people and create prophets. We can actively direct the religion to make sure that it doesn't fall to decadence like you're suggesting. So long as there are Platos in the world we can protect it just as we are meant to.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:45 No.6149574
    You take a while to examine a freshly-released soul.
    It seems the process is caused by a lack of body. Should the soul be reincarnated or given a different kind of body meant to exist in the afterlife, it should be preserved. However, the latter type would probably be unable to power you with belief.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:46 No.6149580
    then we just shouldn't give them any way to fall into decadence right from the start. by the time we have to change the word of god it is probably already too late.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:46 No.6149583
    Can we observe how our followers souls come into existance?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:47 No.6149587
    I really don't want to say this because I don't want this becoming a troll thread and this is a really fun game, but YHWH apparently had those same abilities. When Heaven and Hell became beliefs so widespread and infused in the culture, dogma didn't matter.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:48 No.6149595
    Reincarnation is definitely the way to urge things, then. We don't know if "soul-stuff" is an infinite resource.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:49 No.6149605
    Could we reincarnate the souls as a sort of fire spirit/elemental, to dwell in our temples as our servants, and to provide guidance to our followers? (Don't automatically do this, I'd like the support of another on this idea.)
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:49 No.6149618
    should have been a god of war.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:50 No.6149626
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    were are in bronze age right? whats the book made of? Papyrus? how close is the iron age?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:50 No.6149632
    put it on a back burner and think about it later
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:50 No.6149638
    We could do that for prophets, but if we do it for every soul then we run the risk of no more new souls.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:51 No.6149643
    Can we jam a soul into another living object? Would this generate more faith?

    How about into an inanimate object? Let's try jamming a lot of souls into a torch or something. Maybe we can make an Avatar.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:52 No.6149656
    >fire elementals
    >put it on the back burner
    Do ho ho ho
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:52 No.6149659
    Indeed, you can. It seems "soul-stuff" appears out of nowhere. You consider the possibility that it's simply present in the material world in a diluted form and gathers together when a soul is formed, but after closer inspection that doesn't seem to be the case.
    You could try and find the source of "soul-stuff", but it would take a large amount of effort and time. For now, you have Andreus the prophet to look over. Speaking of whom, he is about an hour's march away from his destination.
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    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:55 No.6149698
    I like the idea of salvaging the souls and letting them stay with us, and allow them to be reborn when they wish it themselves.

    No dogma as to what happens after death, just the expectation of discovery the moment they die

    perhaps we should create a servant, a shepherd for the dead that meets them when they die and guide them to the afterlife where they remain until they wish to return
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:56 No.6149711
    There are no follower souls available. Do you wish to try this with a non-believing soul?

    The book is made of paper - a wondrous artifact to your followers and a sign of knowledge yet to be obtained.

    Getting back to Andreus now.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:56 No.6149717
    Give him the ability to spontaneously combust flammable materials by focusing the energies in the staff, and to drive out minor sicknesses and ailments by touching the victim with the orb of the staff.

    He's going to be our witness, so he'll need some evidence of our power.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:56 No.6149721

    In what ways can we interact, if there are any, with the souls compared to the physical realm? Are we merely a god of abstraction and capable of only mind games or can we actually do stu- OH MAH GOD WE'RE TZEENCH?!
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:57 No.6149730
    Neither of those are our power, though. Our power is the discovery and spread of knowledge. The fire motif is just a metaphor.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:57 No.6149731
    Make sure he knows to stay sneaky. There are the same guards in this town as well I believe.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:59 No.6149745
    fire is a motif, for now
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)21:59 No.6149752

    >There are no follower souls available. Do you wish to try this with a non-believing soul?

    Sure, they're not ours.

    Not one of the guards, though. It may be suspicious if one of them is struck by some sort of soul-plague.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)21:59 No.6149753
    You find that you can turn some of your power into a specialized, fixed form and bestow it upon a chosen mortal. You grant Andreus a few uses of each power, careful not to expend to much of your own resources.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:00 No.6149761
    The act of creating, controlling and utilizing fire for warmth, defense, and in war was one of the pivotal achievements of mankind and established our dominance on the planet. It is the literal expression of the phrase, "knowledge is power," giving our witness the ability to demonstrate this literally will be a perfect demonstration of the power of knowledge.

    The same with medicine and the second power.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)22:01 No.6149771
    You attempt to force a soul into a non-living object.
    The attempt fails. It seems the item is unsuitable for hosting a soul. Should an object be designed and prepared for this very purpose, though...
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:03 No.6149787
    I'm just saying, it puts up false expectations. When we get in their heads and tell them about tillers, they're going be going "yeah, but what about that letting the blind see thing? Could you do that for my cousin?"
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)22:03 No.6149794
    Andreus is on his guard as he enters the village.
    There are no guards in sight, though. He can hear voices coming from one of the buildings.
    It seems all the guards are getting drunk.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:05 No.6149815
    What if we tell our followers that souls can be kept in jars? Would we be able to do it then?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:06 No.6149839
    At this technological level, human laborers often lived in large, communal dwellings, find such a place and introduce yourself, look for opportunities to demonstrate your power and spread the faith.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:10 No.6149874
    Perhaps we should allow the souls of departed followers to speak with the living through flames, thereby communicating knowledge and foresight to the living.

    It would take a lot of strain off our deity's back, too.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:10 No.6149875
    So we should only work miracles that can conceivably be replicated within the bounds of their reality?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:11 No.6149885
    Yeah, just way beyond their current understanding.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)22:12 No.6149897
    Andreus locates and enters the communal dwelling. His arrival was expected and he is greeted warmly. His staff and companion attract attention and lead to many curious questions. Seeing as there are no guards nearby, Andreus begins preaching.
    Some of the villagers accept your faith almost instantly, claiming that "they had a feeling someone watches over them". Most others at least take Andreus' words into consideration. A few, however, begin a dispute with him, seeking to learn more or find a flaw in his teachings. One question catches Andreus off guard: "Are there other beings like the one you worship?"
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:14 No.6149907
    Are we aware of any?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:14 No.6149911
    His response should be to the effect of "We would love to find out." or something that communicates the quest for knowledge
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:15 No.6149919
    We tell him that while it may be possible, it is unlikely and if they do exist, they are not as powerful, because nobody believes in them and they do not care for the affairs of men.
    >> Reality 10/05/09(Mon)22:17 No.6149933
    No, but if you confirm their existence, they will probably show up.
    >It's up to you whether we make a whole pantheon or just a single deity. If a whole pantheon arises, you'll get a choice whether focus on one god or manage a few religions at once.
    >Also, got about 4 hours of sleep left, so I think we should wrap this up for now. Gonna continue tomorrow. Did someone archive it yet by any chance?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:17 No.6149936
    "Such a zest for knowledge is admirable! He will be pleased! I will beseech him for the knowledge you seek. You should pray to him yourself, that he might grant it to you himself!"
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:17 No.6149939
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:18 No.6149946
    I question the wisdom of telling unbelievers, that our power is tied to the number of our followers.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:19 No.6149957
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    Same. Maybe we could find a deity of water that could be the opposite of use or something we dont know!
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:21 No.6149971
    Mmm, is all knowledge to be embraced and spread? Or are we going to be a god of knowledge AND secrets?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:26 No.6150013
    Ooo, paradoxical deities!
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:35 No.6150102
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:38 No.6150133
    maybe, we really don't know yet
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:43 No.6150201
    Argus : god of sight both phsical and divine, IE we talk to mortals with him as a medium

    Eos/Khorn : god of chaos and war, ill tempered

    Epona: goddess of the beast and the forest, favors horses and very primal, lesser god of life as well

    Styxx; god of death, says little, really hates his job

    Solus: god of the sun(by extension life), agriculture and light

    Vulcan: god of craft and magma, lesser god of invention, really really ugly

    feel free to add more
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:43 No.6150202
    The idea is we're supposed to know all since what we say comes true. We should never, ever, say that we don't know something. Instead, either lie or say something along the lines of "That information will come when you are more prepared."

    For the question posed to us, have Andreus say something like "If you want to find out, why don't you ask him (us) yourself?"
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:45 No.6150223
    This has been archived everyone go vote for it
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:49 No.6150262
    Argus is a dick and everyone but us dislikes the poor guy who we feel is just misunderstood
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)22:52 No.6150280
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:00 No.6150355
    our name shall be Utin

    holder of the black mysteries of the void, beholders of all knowledge and lord of Fire, ice, wind, earth, aether, light, and shadow

    know us
    fear us
    love us
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:01 No.6150363
    Having a pantheon is a really bad idea. You'll have all sorts of infighting and squabbling among the followers of each god, and you'll have people trying to project human traits of jealousy, lust, anger, etc. onto them.

    The focus should not be on the God, but on the gifts of wisdom one can attain through dedication and worship.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:03 No.6150378
    I agree completely
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:07 No.6150414

    thats boring why worship one faceless dick, rather all other gods are subservient but equal to us

    also god with personality are nice, they make themselves more relatable and adds peaple who would otherwise be turned off by their ambiguity to our ranks
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:08 No.6150422
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    Let us name ourselves... Ori!
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:08 No.6150428
    will this be continued, cause we have some epic creativity here?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:13 No.6150482
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:20 No.6150552
    Powered by worship - check
    Icon is fire - check
    Prophets with staves - check
    Not omnipotent - check
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:27 No.6150621
    >thats boring why worship one faceless dick, rather all other gods are subservient but equal to us
    Because we're not trying to make the worship itself "exciting", but the knowledge they gain by doing what we ask of them.

    >also god with personality are nice, they make themselves more relatable and adds peaple who would otherwise be turned off by their ambiguity to our ranks
    We don't need to make up bullshit backstories to get worshipers, we can show them real RESULTS.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:28 No.6150628
    oh my, it's my first accusation of slavery, this calls for some sort of celebration, doesn't it?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:29 No.6150640
    I guess OP's gone to bed, but we can flesh out some ideas till he resumes.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:30 No.6150652
    slavery was supposed to say samefaggotry, I really don't know how that happened
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:31 No.6150668
    what part of this being a GAME do you not understand

    lets just go with whats FUN and see how OP rolls with it.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:33 No.6150704
    I think its FUN to have a GOD that teaches SCIENCE!

    Instead of herp derp Roman-Greek-Egyptian gods.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:38 No.6150753
    why has none posted any of those SCIENCE! pics yet?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:46 No.6150859
    so if we are the only god.... does that mean we are god of everything?
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:48 No.6150886
    As far as I can tell, we are the only god that we can perceive. Whether or not that means other gods exist now, they are simply alien to us, or whether or not other gods will come into being as more people believe in things is unknown.
    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:50 No.6150900
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    >> Anonymous 10/05/09(Mon)23:58 No.6150985
    i still want other gods goddamnit

    also someone screencap this thread. the end isnt saved on suptg
    >> Anonymous 10/06/09(Tue)00:08 No.6151088
    We should at least have a demon for the people to be fearful of, probably the Masters. We should probably tell everybody that they enslaved all the people and have been keeping knowledge from them. We should tell them we want the truth of what they've done to be known by all, and we want to empower them so they can decide what to do on their own.

    At least we can get people who just don't like paying tribute to ally with us.
    >> Anonymous 10/06/09(Tue)00:12 No.6151127
    at the very least

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