Rape.

>She's not evil, he checked
>She's not pregnant, he checked

Teach her to be a caste and proper young lady, of course.

>>6145209
Fuck I wish I had that image macro.

>She's not evil, he checked
But is she pregnant?

>she's just selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.

That's evil.

Damn the high CON score!

"GET THEE TO A NUNNERY!"

>>6145185
First with kindness and helping her as times goes on.
Then when she's tired of him leave her for a few days in a run down criminal gang.
Come back later and ask if she liked it better with the nice guy or with those who are just like her.

>drow female
>not evil

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

If she's only an adolescent drow, then she's probably not past the point of no return for behavioral teachings. He can begin the long, slow, arduous process of raising her properly, probably by starting in the wilderness with limited outside contact.

Why do teenagers these days have such huge tits?

>>6145225
exactly.

What thte fuck kind of games do you guys play?

>>6145185

Help her live by example and bring her to a better view and life. It's a great chance to turn a drow away from what they are and into a proper, holy life. It may take years and years, but paladins are exemplars. They can play the long game.

>>6145233
>>You find her the new leader of said gang region.

Oh dear...

>>6145225
It's also pretty normal for a teenage girl.

>>6145250
Tit size is the result of many factors, both genetic and environmental.

Well if said Paladin is feeling particularily Masochistic he could try to set her straight.

For the most part though, I'd suggest getting the hell out of the Underdark before anything else, Matrons might not really love their children but god damn if they aren't Posessive of them.

>>6145225
No, that's how all privileged teens are.

>>6145263
Then purge the sinners, the only trait she did not have the constitutes pure evil is a wish for power. If she acquired power she's just like her forebears and should not be allowed to corrupt anyone further.

Teach the the path of the light. If she turns evil , smight her , end of story.

>The Paladin is now free from the sex-crazed drow matron and her nympho daughters. The youngest daughter was the equivalent of a teenager, he was her first and now she's infatuated with him (hooray for teenage hormones). So she helped him escape.

>she helped him escape
>sex-crazed drow matron and her nympho daughters

WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO ESCAPE?!?!

>>6145185
so, how old is a drow teenager? 100 years old?

>>6145296
>The Paladin

The general consensus in the last thread was, he wouldn't fall so long as he didn't give up on escape.

>>6145323

20 or so. Elves age as humans until about 10, then their aging slows considerably until it halts entirely.

>>6145185
>selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.
Sounds evil to me. Smiting time.

i don't unerstand the question
why did he escape?

>>6145353
I...but...that.....ugh. This is why I play as bards/rogues...

>>6145258
Heavy use of penis is advised.

>>6145273
>>6145250

Three possibilities:

1. Insufficient proper nutrition, leading to the body going through puberty earlier because the body thinks it's not going to have a very long run anyways, or

2. First-world nutrition is better than 'public advocates' (read: doomsayers) state, leading to, well, healthier people. In addition to HEALTHY people, pictured left.

3. OH NO, ALL THEM UNNATTRUL HOROMNES USED ON ANIMALS AND PLANTS REALLY ARE BEING PASSED ON TO THE PEOPLE THAT EAT THEM, leading to HEALTHY, pictured left.

rolled 10, 20, 6 = 36

Smite evil

>>6145185
>taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.
>not evil

>>6145185
We need more stories about his captivity.

>>6145418
I second this notion. How many daughters are we talking here?

>>6145437
Last thread mentioned three, plus mom. Family bonding experience.

>>6145458

>bondage

Fixed.

>>6145385
also, what would happen to him when the drow got bored of him. He'd probably be sacrificed.

>>6145458
And he passed that up?!
Words...they fail me...
I need a drink.....

>>6145225
I think it's Chaotic Neutral.

Evil is actually a goal to be achieve, just like Good. So if she went out of her way to kill people, she'd be evil, if she only killed them when she wanted money, she's be CN.

>>6145402

Actually people go into puberty sooner with good nutrition since the body can afford to donate more calories to the growing process without risking starvation.

>>6145470
Then you escape, BUT AFTER THE WILD 4-WAY SEX GODDAMMIT!

>>6145296
idk, maybe because HE'S A PALADIN???!!!

>>6145418

Repostan story from the story from the first thread.

Alaric slumped back into the soft silken sheets. Two slender, ebony bodies slithered next to him. His naked legs were spread over the edge of the bed and the matron's middle and youngest daughters were eagerly licking the generous load he had blown off of each others naked bodies. The matron and her eldest daughter were on his left and right sides respectively. The matron ran her hand over his muscular chest, her snow white hair splayed out behind her, staring at him with her violet eyes. The eldest ground against his leg, growling hungrily.

It took Alaric a moment to regain his voice. He stared into the matron's eyes. "Why do you do this?" He asked between pants. "Use people like this?" She languidly ran a finger over the Paladin's muscular chest before replying. "Why shouldn't I? You surface dwellers are all inferior. It is natural that the superior race should use you for abstinence and.." she giggled "amusement."

"What if the roles were reversed, matron?" Alaric asked, "what if I had kept you a prisoner and raped you whenever I pleased?"

>>6145536
Paladins can get it on!

At least, some can.

>>6145515

She gets violent when she doesn't get her way and expects everyone to give her whatever she wants.

If she isn't evil now, she will be VERY shortly.

>>6145538

"Oooh, mother! Maybe we should try that next!" The eldest daughter had stopped grinding on his leg and now moved up parallel with her mother, caressing the captive Paladin's face. Her pale, blonde hair caressed his chest as she moved her deep, amber eyes to stare into his.

Alaric felt two heavy weights on his legs, he looked down and saw that the middle and youngest daughters had finished licking each other clean and now were sitting on his legs. The middle daughter sat attentively listening, her long aqua hair and pearl draped figure was a paragon of lust. The youngest sat to her left, not as well developed as her sisters and mother she was still quite shapely with her small, perky breasts and bobbed white hair. She pumped his limp member in one slender hand.

The mother giggled in response to her daughter's eagerness. "Well, sir knight." She said. "I would not be so weak or foolish as to fall into your hands, were you so inclined. Besides, I am a realist. You would never do such a thing to me. It is against your Paladin's code." She shifted her position and kissed her way up his chest to his lips. she breathed before plungeing her tongue into his mouth and withdrawing. "If you can still talk, I don't think you're completely exhausted yet."

She ran her hand down his chest, his stomach soon she was reciting the arcane incantation he knew all too well. "Delightful Hardness." The daughters cooed in appreciation as Alaric soon became erect again.

This was going to be a long night.

>>6145385
Comrade, where is this 'Dean' person from?

>>6145538
>>6145559

Bet you wished you had Improved Grappling, doncha?

>>6145548
She will be soon... unless the pally shows her the light. Right now she's just CN, could tip CE anytime.
>>6145545
But they aren't supposed to willingly associate with evil.

>>6145548
Paladin used CALMING DICKINGS
It's super effective!

>>6145538
By the description he gave of them they'd enjoy it.

>>6145538
>"What if the roles were reversed, matron?" Alaric asked, "what if I had kept you a prisoner and raped you whenever I pleased?"

IT'S NOT RAPE IF YOU WENT ALONG WITH IT D:<

>>6145566

Iron Giant. Great flick.

>>6145225
She could just be a chaotic neutral free spirit.

>>6145185
He tries to convert her to the light. If not, he dumps her at a convent. Either way, I don't think he'd smite, particularly if she helped him escape.

>>6145659

>chaotic neutral free spirit.

This is what CNtards actually believe.

>>6145618
*points at the sergeant*
See?! HE gets where I'm coming from! What is this guy, GAY?

He's gay, isn't he OP? The only way this guy can be forgiven is if he was gay. If he's not gay, then his god should make him fall anyway out of pure stupidity.

>>6145559
>not as well developed as her sisters and mother she was still quite shapely with her small, perky breasts and bobbed white hair
>small breasts
>OP's picture

If that's small by Drow standards then I'm going to become a Paladin.

>she's just selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.

neutral evil

>>6145694

...I think you need a girlfriend, son.

Or at least a prostitute.

You haven't been doing the October challenge, have you?

>>6145618
He didn't go along with it, he RAN THE FUCK AWAY

>>6145694
Perhaps his god already did, if it was a fertility deity he worshipped!

>>6145722

He didn't go all "I SHALL NEVER HAVE SEX WITH YOU NYMPHOS, I'D RATHER DIE THAN BED THEE!" either.

>>6145694
Maybe hes already fallen but is too stupid to notice

He should have been a paladin of Suni then he could have enjoyed the drow family. Also he fall since he separated a child from her family wich is an act of evil.

>>6145714
How is it not chaotic?

>>6145735

The fapfic seems to point to incapacitation and boner magic combining into his attitude being irrelevant.

>>6145659
>He tries to convert her to the light.
I'd convert her to my light if you know what I mean.

>>6145718
>You haven't been doing the October challenge, have you?
...That's none of your business, and beside the point. The guy passed up on free Drow poon! DROW POON!!!

>>6145756
>he separated a child from her family wich is an act of evil

No, it isn't. Separating someone from Drow society is inherently good.

>>6145776

...go rub one out, you nauseating hormone drip.

>>6145746
Is he still blue?

>>6145761

You have to admit that he was not very displeased with his situation.

>>6145725
BECOME PALADIN
FOLLOW FERTILITY GODDESS
DO YOUR HOLY DUTY

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
Also lol @ /tg/ thinking sex is evil so sex makes paladin fall.
At the end of a the day, a paladin is just another man or woman with human needs.

>>6145776

I'd bring up something about diseases, but I've thought he'd be a Pally above level 3.

>>6145840
>At the end of a the day, a paladin is just another man or woman with human needs.
LIES

PALADINS ARE ROBOTS

>>6145296

Because he realized that he would be tortured and sacrificed to Llolth once they got bored with him.

This way he has free drow poon AND doesn't have to worry about getting killed.

>>6145856
I played a warforged paladin once. He smoked cigars and swore a lot.

>>6145759
Neutral Evil is being evil to improve your position
>selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her
That is neutral evil

Chaotic evil is HURRSMASH DURRKILL

>>6145857

Then make sure they don't get bored.

>>6145813
>is he still blue?
He will be NOW, the damn idiot!

>>6145857
...Till the lil chit's family catches up to him. Hoooobuddy.

>>6145878
>Chaotic evil is HURRSMASH DURRKILL

You are wrong and stupid.

>Also lol @ /tg/ thinking sex is evil so sex makes paladin fall.
Sex isn't evil, willingly associating with evil and refusing to do his duty (if he prefers his Drow sex0rz over his holy duty and makes no attempt to return to his holy duty) then he falls.

He could be Paladin Flashheart and bang ever princess he saves, as long as he isn't evil during this and as long as he puts his holy duty first and foremost he's fine.

>Chaotic evil is HURRSMASH DURRKILL

Only if you play like a retard.

>>6145878
No, Chaotic Evil is Hannibal Lecter.

>>6145926
>>6145913
Give me a story about a chaotic evil who's entire needs and wants doesnt boil down to ">Chaotic evil is HURRSMASH DURRKILL"

>>6145950
A bard who's goal in life is to provoke two or more countries into conflict so he can write a ballad about the cruelties of war.

>>6145950
See >>6145942

Setting aside the girl's alignment, its very likely she will be severely punished and/or killed by her family once they figure out she helped the paladin escape. So its a question of whether its fine to abandon her to this fate (assuming it would play out that way).

>>6145979
...
Well done.

So let me get this straight; the Paladin liberated a female Drow adolescent - a being sensitive to bright lights, mind you - into the surface world where she'll be blinded by sunlight every hour of the day whilst in the Paladin's care, therein leaving her unable to see what horrors await her on the surface and unable to defend herself from the prejudices of humans, high elves and other humanoids above ground.

The Paladin should fall for being a complete moron... fall off a cliff, that is.

>>6146035
Thank you!

rolled 11, 1, 16 = 28

>>6145950
Nobody plays chaotic evil right.

What is it with Drow and paladins TG?

>>6146035
I take it you never heard of sunglasses.

>>6146035
I'm under the impression she's just following him around like a puppy and he's not quite out or just out of the Underdark - thus at an impasse with what to do with her.

>>6146089
Yeah, he should get a blacksmith or an alchemist to make one for her, eh?

>>6146102
Sunglasses/goggles, a hood or maybe some kind of minor illusion charm so at least villagers won't break out the torches and pitchforks first thing.

>>6145185

Back on topic.

Take the drow girl under his wing as a pupil and lover. Teach her good from evil, start with discouraging her violent tendencies. "Yes the merchant called you a 'Vile Drow' and refused to sell you that thong you wanted. No you can't stab him. As for you, merchant. Apologize to the lady." Also, give examples of why stealing is wrong by stealing her things and asking how it felt.

Then move on to the more advanced stuff, like why men and women should be equals and then try to lead her to the worship of the wholesome gods of the surface.

>>6146134
And then you jam your pOnOs into her vagOOO if you get my drift.

>>6146147
...you lost me.

>>6146102
We've got people who can KILL ENTIRE PLANETS WITH THEIR MINDS, we've got superstrong creatures AS OLD AS THE UNIVERSE ITSELF, we've got people who can use metals STRONGER THAN ANY MODERN DAY MATERIALS.

If none of these fucks can invent sunglasses, DnD is more retarded than I thought.

>>6145979
Lawful Evil [evil for a reason]

>>6145942
Lawful Evil [vengeance]

>>6146134
Positive reinforcement would be best. Just reward "good" behavior and ignore or remain neutral to "bad". Stop her from committing murder, of course, but don't lecture her, just be indifferent and move on. Then when she's eating dinner nicely and politely compliment her and offer to buy her something nice.

>>6146177
Bards can't be lawful.

Lawful Evil - Following the "laws" of evil, doing acts that are perceived as evil by others but that you consider necessary and/or good ("I'll murder the king and become a dictator because I can run this place better than him and benefit both myself and the people").

Chaotic Evil - Evil for the sake of evil.

>>6146177
That's not what Lawful Evil means.

>>6146208

They can do lawful acts.

First off...
>>6146089
Maybe in a more modern setting, but how many pointy-eared dark-skinned women do you see in this day and age?

I thought so.
>>6146093
Let's think about this logically. Paladin is now, if only temporarily, under the care of a young Drow Rogue. He has three options - take her back to her family, leave her to her own devices, or teach her the ways of Law and Good.

Option #1 is outright stupid, lest the Paladin wish himself to get captured again or for the girl to be punished (or worse) for helping him escape.
Option #2... the girl could be left to fend for herself come nightfall, but what happens during the day? Assuming a mid-springtime setting, day lasts around 14 hours. That's 14 hours that she is defenseless thanks to our old buddy, the Sun.
Option #3... the Paladin could escort the girl to his own establishment for her to live in safety, but there's one problem - he can really only move during the day and can't protect the girl at night. They're at an impasse because they can't really go anywhere without encumbering themselves.

In all three scenarios, the Paladin is out of luck.

>>6146199
Yeah, I think lecturing would be counter-productive. Though you might want to do some to keep a little tension for the head-patting to stand out. Otherwise, get an adventuring companion friend to join and have them play bad cop to the paladin's good cop.

>>6146232
In the morning and the evening.
Also one of the cheapest magical items are X of darkvision.

>he can really only move during the day and can't protect the girl at night
Yeah, I mean it's not as if humans can survive at night.

Fuck, how the hell did we even SURVIVE before we invented flashlights?

So /tg/ I have a question:
could this paladin stop forced orgasm with fortitude save?

>>6146263
>Fuck, how the hell did we even SURVIVE before we invented flashlights?
Time travelers gave us flashlights.

Find some Eilistraee followers, get her stripper training. Then have a stripper Drow rogue fond of nude dancing.

>>6146232
Well, the Paladin could travel at night. Or rig up a harness to carry her during the day, if he's strong enough and towns are frequent enough.

>>6146232
To be honest, I consider sunlight to be a lower tier concern versus: assassins, angry mobs, and keeping her from stabbing people because cultural differences.

>How should the Paladin handle this situation?

Sweet cuddlins and huggins.

>>6146314
D'aww, drow in a harness...

>>6146317

and stay the hell away from elven lands.

It would be better if the paladin didn't believe that the drow teen he picked up wasn't so evil as to not be worth attempting to change.

Also, I imagine that there was a good bit of physical abuse in there, and that he would want to get out even without paladin LG bullshit.

>she's just selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.
>not evil.

HURRRR

I have to say, it's now about the holy dickings.

As a responsable person, anda good person, it is your duty to care for someone like her, that sacrificed everything for a chance to be with you.

A paladin's life is about sacrifice,justice and goodness.Sometimes you gotta endure.

It's not like she's ugly either!
Take care of her, protect ehr from people, teach her good ,moral values, and accept her individuality, as long as she understands and accepts your values.Show her the DEPTH of you commitment to her at night with your vigorous...sweaty...prayer.

Yeah.Prayer.

>>6146362
this is why morality systems should never have a mechanical effect on the game

>>6145417
Hence the problem with moral alignment systems.

It turns out, people attribute 'good' alignments to those who agree with them, and 'evil' alignments to those who disagree with them. Funny how that works.

>>6145178
> Old. I already read this on the far superior http://www.anertalk.com/ (aner = anon) last night.
Anyone got any better links?

>>6146362
Agreed, but this is why alignments are meaningless- people CANNOT agree on what evil is, because they look at things WAY too realisitcally inclined, and forget that in DnD morality is a FORCE, there are entities of POWER that control that essence.

>>6146232
>He has three options - take her back to her family, leave her to her own devices, or teach her the ways of Law and Good.
>Option #1 is outright stupid, lest the Paladin wish himself to get captured again or for the girl to be punished (or worse) for helping him escape.
>lest the Paladin wish himself to get captured again

I'll take door number 1, Merv!

>>6146314
>>6146340
...y'know what? Sure. I'll go with that, only because the mental image it brought forth gave me the warm fuzzies.

If I was the paladin, I would take her with me and travel the world, doing good deeds and banging my hot dark-elven girlfriend. What's not to like?

>>6146177
Having a reason doesn't make you lawful. Vengeance is also not inherently lawful, unless it is merely one part of a lawful system.

>>6146442
No one can agree on good and evil, but most people can at least figure out law and chaos.

>>6146314

Or he could find a town that reveres his god. Their clerics would listen when he explains that he has rescued this girl from an evil society and brought her there to learn good from evil.

I was the guy to thread derailed with a greentext alignment arguement. I'll try and get things back on track. (Yes, I can see how the specified behavior could be "non-evil" but only barely. It comes down to amorality and a lack of active, deliberate malice, really.)

The paladin should get her to a nunnery as soon as possible. She will be isolated from xenophobia as much as possible, and also be in a carefully controlled social and moral environment in order to undo years of drow machinations and evil socialization.

She'll also be in a female run society still, and so she won't go totally bananas. She will be cut off cold-turkey from any sex craziness, and this may cause problems, she'll have to learn that things operate differently in the LG world.

>>6146501

Law and Chaos is even worse.

Most people who don't like the rules on the books have at least a mantra that they live by.

And the implication of D&D alignments is that similar aligned stuff gets along with each other, which is fucking stupid.

>>6146557
>Law and Chaos is even worse.
I strongly disagree.

>Most people who don't like the rules on the books have at least a mantra that they live by.
That doesn't make 'em lawful. Any mantra can be examined for relative order/chaos.

>And the implication of D&D alignments is that similar aligned stuff gets along with each other, which is fucking stupid.
Only when using the Great Wheel or just being really unimaginative.

>>6145402

The picture at left is easily OBESE. This condition leads UNDENIABLY to a higher incidence of all major chronic diseases as well as vastly shortened expected life spans.

Do you really think that dying early and in pain makes you healthy? Hmmm?

>>6146578

Planescape used the great wheel and LE and LG there often teamed up to screw over the Chaotic alignments or the other way around.

>>6146590
>The picture at left is easily OBESE.

No. Look at that waist.

As far as daytime is concerned:

>Light Blindness: ABRUPT exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds drow for 1 round. In addition, they take a -1 circumstance penalty on attack rolls, saves, and checks when in bright light.
emphasis mine.
It's not like she's defenseless during the day, she's just not at 100%.
Also, Sundark goggles are described in Races of the Dragon. They cost 10 gp and provide protection from sunlight and a save bonus against gaze attacks.

>>6146590
>The picture at left is easily OBESE.

Overweight, yes. Obese, I don't think so. If she's obese, it's only because she barely fits the definition.

I applaud this thread for not devolving into drow porn.

>>6146779

You were saying.

>>6146590
Some studies have shown that it is likely for you to be healthier and live longer if you carry a small amount of weight than if you're "cut".

And it makes sense, all the healthiest animals in the animal kingdom always carry a little fat on them, humans should be no different. We weren't actually BUILT to be completely and totally "cut".

>>6146650

The pictured body type is almost identical to my wife. She's 5'4" and 210 pounds, her breasts are a slightly smaller 36DDD.

The great thing about my wife is she carries her weight in all the right places, and delicious cubby is delicious and soft.

The bad thing is that statistically she's going to die about 15 years before me, she already got early arthritis, pre-diabetes, back pain from having 36DDD's and she's so out of shape she can't tolerate more than 10 minutes of hard physical activity. Sexually it's limiting too, she feels pain whenever she's on her knees, so no cowgirl position and no oral while I'm standing, which is no fun.

She's also on prozac for the self-loathing created by her body-image and can't get a job in the opera world because she doesn't fit the image of most romantic leading ladies. Admittedly these are social issues, which would resolve if social views were different.

That bit in fallout 3 where you first emerge from the vault, where everything is white then fades into bleached visibility, that's what it would be like.

Niggers.

>>6146779
Reverse psychology, or unwitting self-jynx?

>>6146655
Well, I'll be damned. You're right... I actually had to blow the dust off my copy of RotD to see that after you mentioned it.

Well, that changes things, then... in that case, the girl can go with the Paladin with ease. Though, this brings up a question: if the Drow girl is exposed to the light, then moves behind a shadow (from, say, a building or thick tree), then falls back into direct sunlight again, does she become "blinded" for that next round?

>>6146816
>She's 5'4" and 210 pounds

That's Class II obesity, I think.

>arthritis, pre-diabetes, back pain... feels pain whenever she's on her knees

Ouch.

>>6145185

Back on topic, this is pretty bad situation right there. Drow female is bad enough, but when you add hormonal teenager to those descriptors you've got a walking, talking headache. She has VERY poor judgment, which she demonstrated by inciting the ire of her family just so she could have ROCK HARD PALADIN COCK. What's next, waltz into the middle of an elven village and go "hi there, surface kin! I'm a drow and this is my boyfriend!"

Also, teenagers are notoriously fickle. Sure she's infatuated with you now, but what happens when your ROCK HARD PALADIN COCK isn't enough to keep her interest?

>>6145185

One important question, does the Paladin love her back?

If not, this could be messy.

>>6146847
Human eyes don't work that way. I'm pretty sure Drow ones aren't supposed to.

>>6146816
Congrats on loving your wife despite her many many defects.

She does have a lot of defects though. Like, a lot. Like, 210lbs of defects.

>>6146779
don't tempt fate

>>6146847

No, because they are still adjusted to the light. The blindness only occurs after the drow has been in darkness for a while. Even then, I usually give them a reflex save to avoid it.

>>6146885
Wouldn't the issue be that if the Paladin passes on a chance to do some possible good in the world that he's essentially falling?

What's the phrase, "Evil persists when good men let it happen"? If he doesn't TRY and just abandons her or writes her off he's essentially guaranteeing she goes down a path of darkness, and as a Paladin he has to at least make the proper effort to repay her kindness, however it was motivated.

At least that's how I read it. If it were anyone but a Paladin they could excuse it as too much trouble, but this guy is obligated to at least make a serious effort.

just fucking with ya
the rest will be non-rule 34 drow pics

Well at least we're nearing auto-sage.

I have to wonder what their sex talk would sound like.

"Dammit, Drisryna. Stop trying to relieve our comrades of their valuables."

"Oh, I've been a bad little drow. Guess you're gonna have to smite me." *smacks ass*

*sigh* "I'll be back in about four hours. Damn my high CON score."

I would make the Paladin A girl...that's hotter. Oh shit I would make the paladin the char "Sandwich" from the thread from last week or so. Just in the future...Hmmmm

>not evil
>selfish, amoral, takes what she wants without consequenced, prone to violence
That's pretty much the D&D definition of evil.

I see two ways this relationship could go.
One, the paladin tries to be something more than a sex toy to the teen, like a mentor or quasi- father figure, and either wean her off the lawful hot dickings or wait until her hormones settle down a bit and she loses interest.
Two, the drow's lust acts as a stepping-stone of sorts for her to get to know the paladin better. With time and patience, helpful lessons in goodness and law, and of course more lawful hot dickings, she comes to truly love her companion.
Both scenarios come with their share of difficulties as far as both parties are concerned.

>>6147131

No, in order to be evil by D&D's definition you must actively seek to harm others. Neutral characters might commit acts that others would consider evil, but they do it out of a lack of concern. Most of the official interpretations of the alignment system support this view. For example, in NWN2, in order to stay neutral you must do some pretty vile things. Like leave a group of kids to get devoured alive by wolves because you didn't think it was your problem.

Paladin addict here.

I'd smite her till I'm out of spells if you know what I mean.

And then I would try to convince her that being good and behaving is actually awesome (because it is). After all, she fell in love with me, which means she likes me as I am, Lawful Good.

If that wouldn't work, I would ditch the bitch. While not evil, she is certainly chaotic.

>She could care less about the battle between good and evil, she's just selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.

CN, guise.
She's an emotional, bitchy spoiled brat. This isn't evil. If she's killing for profit, evil. If she's in it for herself with no regard for others, she's an average American kid.

This whole situation sounds so d'aw :3

>>6147182

> "Evil" implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
You're only respecting half of this. The girl has no qualms about killing if it's convenient, and lacks compassion.
>People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others.
She lacks these compunctions.

She's evil.
Smite.

A question about Paladins, good sirs:

If you willingly associate with an Evil character/person, but with the full intent of reforming them (showing them the light, as it were), do you still fall?

>>6147159
And then he converts her to be a cleric of his god and they venture together to smite, fuck and smite some more.

That's fucking awesome.

>>6147270
Prone to violent acts doesn't mean killing.

>>6147270

Of course she has compunctions about acts of evil. They result in less sex.

>She could care less about the battle between good and evil, she's just selfish, amoral, used to taking what she wants when she wants it, facing no consequences for doing so and is prone to violent acts against people who anger her.

The only way I see her as detecting neutral is if she had some very nice qualities deep down. I mean, yeah, freeing her boy toy is a good start, but she needs a bit more than that.
She doesn't have much sense of right and wrong. Although this means she might do bad things, she does, on an unconscious level, have a moral core, and will gravitate more towards good acts than evil ones. That she doesn't care for the difference between right and wrong means that compared to most of the other drow, she sometimes does good things at random when nobody's looking.
While she might be selfish, she doesn't generally take what she doesn't need. Maybe sometimes after eating her fill of a meal she'd pass a morsel of leftover food to one of her slaves, explaining it away as mere pity.
While she might be prone to violence, her fits are more due to personal fears and frustrations than any desire to do harm. On the contrary, she often regrets causing pain, though she suppresses these feelings at the behest of her family.
There. Now she's neutral.

>>average American kid.
Neutral Evil.

>>6147286
Well, I always thought that D&D was pretty dickface restrictive about paladins, but as for me, siding with someone evil to convert them to good is ok, unless you do evil things with them.

Paladins are obsessed about converting. Thing that everyone keeps forgetting about is that being good also means NOT mindlessly pummeling "criminal scum" like one of my paladin friends did.

If you can convert it, it's a misguided being, not evil shitface.

If it's undead tho - smite it.

>>6145185
this thread is too long. the answer is obvious.

eat beans constantly and fart as loudly as possible all the time for a few weeks. if she still wants to hang around even after that, she'll be a loyal ally. if not, he gets rid of her without having to resort to violence.

>>6147286
I always took the "associating" part of that to mean hanging out and going to the bar for funsies.
the Book of Exalted Deeds is pretty explicite on how acts of redemption are one of the greatest goods that can be done... thus befitting the Paladin very well.

I actually love the general mood of this thread

Existential question for paladins:

TO SMITE, OR NOT TO SMITE

And suddenly life is so much simplier

Since I don't want to read through the entire thread to find out: is the original story about how all this happened in here? Or is it archived somewhere?

>>6147386
>>6147350
That makes sense. The thought of a paladin falling for trying to commit a (very) good act just because of a mechanics issue always struck me as pretty retarded.

>>6147100

"Yes! Yes! SMITE me! Smite me harder! Smite my like the naughty little drow bitch I am!"

"Here comes the Holy Avenger!"

>>6147478

>he calls his penis the "Holy Avenger"

>>6147527
He could be calling himself the Holy Avenger.

>>6145942
No, Hannibal is Chaotic AWESOME

>>6147566

>>6147566

I always thought Hannibal Lecter was LAWFUL evil. After all, he does follow his own twisted moral code. He only harms people who are rude to or threaten him. In his mind, this is perfectly acceptable.

Depends on the paladin's level. Maybe he should try asking his god.

>>6147478
The drow part actually turned me on...

Guess I am paladin to the CORE

>>6147324

Even then, the OP's description is still CN. Especially if her violent outbursts were motivated by fears of rejection and insecurity (this is a teenage girl we are talking about). I mean, think about it. She turned her back on her people to be with the man she loved. Naturally, she would be terrified of the new people in her life rejecting her as she really has nowhere else to go. Therfore, attempting to stab the merchant for calling her a "Vile Drow" and refusing to sell to her is an understandable response. Which will probably be followed by a d'awww worthy bursting into tears and falling into the Paladin's arms after she thinks noone else is looking.

Damn, we need a writefag of that.

>>6147475
That's why I freeform. Common sense >>>>> any set of rules. Always.

>>6147595
Hannibal killed people to make space for his sister to come back from the dead. and to punish the stupid, evil, and no class hipster fuckheads that make life less enjoyable.

>>6147667
Yeah, in my opinion narrative should always trump mechanics when it comes to matters like that.

>>6147468
second. is it archived?

if your turn this into warhammer 40k, how will it be?

a dark eldar and a commissar?

I could use some more drow pron

>>6147742
Not really no. Paladins are willing to convert. Commisar would just BLAM her right away.

>>6147767
>more drow porn

Now that's thinking with your dipstick!

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=dark_elf

>>6147768
>>6147742
Besides, Commisars are totally NOT Lawful Good.

They are Lawful Neutral or even Evil.

>>6147742

BLAM

>>6147742
It wouldn't.
A Commisar wouldn't lay with those disgusting things.
And if one fell into his power, he would destroy the filthy xeno.

Chaotic Evil can have a sort of code. It's just that said code is really what they feel like doing. A somewhat consistent personality would mean that a CE would have, if not a code, then at least the appearance of, say, depths even they wouldnt sink to.

If a CE person, for some reason, doesnt think killing children is fun, then he has a "rule":doesnt kill children.

LE doesnt do "whimsy"

The closest thing to paladin in grimdark would be a really, really laid back Space Marine, from chilled chapter like Blood Ravens.

Because in grimdark humanity is mostly made of ignorance, xeno hate and BLAM.

>>6147742

No, that wouldn't work

A Warrior Priest of Sigmar and a Dark Elf however.....

more writefagging!

>>6147828
I think you miss the point. If you have a set of rules, you try your best to follow them. That's for neutral. Lawful also tries to follow rules made by other people.

Chaotic is just doing whatever the fuck they want to. Sure you can say that whatever they want to is their set of rules, but that's not the point.

>>6147792

For the Imperium, Commissars represent Lawful Good.

>>6147898
They're Lawful Neutral

>>6147928

I must disagree, they follow and enforce the rules in the name of the Emperor.

>>6147881
Right, thats why characters like Hannibal lecter are CE, despite appearing to have a "code."

People think of LE as being the potentially "least evil" because such characters are still constrained by some sort of ethical structure, if not a moral one. But I posit that CE can also be less evil. after all, Lawful causes can push people to do things so despicably evil that the average CE murdering dipshit would be, if not exactly repulsed by, then feel queasy about. CE does not necissarily equal sociopath. it just usually does.

>>6147898
Well, I doubt alighments consider factions really.

Because you could say that some less batshit crazy chaos warriors are actually Lawful Good for Chaos (when compared to their raging brethren).

>>6147795

actually, I think it was implied that Cain once got it on with a dark eldar.....

>>6147788
Excellent!

Depends. What alignment is the Paladin?

>>6147958
Well... it also kinda depends, I personally feel that slashers often constitute Lawful Evil, but bound by the laws of Hell rather than the laws of the mortal realm. Hellraiser Cenobites, Pyramid Head, Hannibal Lecter, etc. all have a very lawful demeanor, only harm the deserving, and also don't behave all hedonistic like you'd normally associate with CE.

but without the framework of Hell being a lawful place, it doesn't make too much sense.

this shit isn't archived yet?

/tg/, I am disapoint

>>6147992
>implied
>implying

>>6147958
Lawful Evil is the least evil because they often play within societal rules.
Remember, Chaotic Good people should go to jail, while Lawful Evil people are good citizens.

>>6147663
tsundere drow...

DO! FUCKING! WANT!!!!!

>>6147468
>>6147710
Why, yes... yes, it is.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5954268
>>6147663
>Damn, we need a writefag of that.
I would totally do that... if I weren't swamped with college assignments at the moment.

>>6147990

Of course, each society sees it's own members as good and the others as evil, except, perhaps, the Tau. This is a fact of life.

>>6148038
That's xenophobia, and it's a product of ignorace, not something each society has.

Most of them do tho, sadly.

>>6148081

Show me a society that does not have even a slight dislike for foreigners or foreign things/customs.

>>6148081
speaking of xenophobia...
could we get back on topic?
xenophilia FTW

Shouldn't the alignment system depend on the players themselves? Most of us grow up in a lawful good/neutral environment, so that's what lawful good/neutral is based on. It is just a way to describe other alignments and character types.

Yes, in D&D they often say that similar alignments get along, that's because they both seem "good" to each other and follow a code similar to theirs. (Probably.)

Although the explanation about evil seemed odd -- why wouldn't they work together unless forced? They could be evil because they raid other races' settlements but try to keep order in their own.

I guess it comes down to the way the DM. He could make that race of stealing little-somethings be good, because their intentions are, but it is somewhat contradictory to what the books originally said.

>>6148018

oh sorry, I meant "..hinted that Cain once got it on with a Dark Eldar."

>>6148105
I thought we already answered the question. Paladin continues to sex0rz the daughter while turning her to the light of Law and also Good. Once he shifts her alignment to LG, she becomes a cleric and they fight crime.

sadly, the alignment system assumes a lack of frothing racism and xenophobia.

For example, a given white southern racist might love his wife and kids, not lie about major things, give to charity, be poite, and in general be NG. But, put a black guy in front of him, and suddenly its all "burn the nigger, purge the nigger, in white jesus's name, let none survive."
So, is he EVIL the presence of black people, or is the alignment system inherently flawed.

It's flawed. it doesnt represent real-life morality. It's great for describing fictional characters, but morality does not work that way, because in real life, we have in-group loyalty, out-group hostility, institutionalized cruelty, xenophobia, racism, and other such issues.

>>6148147
hmm... true...
was hoping for more discussion on the relationship of the two though ;_;

>>6148160
Harboring naughty thoughts or attitudes doesn't make you evil, just murdering innocents and such. You only take the alignment hit for stuff you've done, not something you might do, but you still only have one alignment.

>>6148160
Also, we don't have immovable rods, Pun-Pun, multiple planes of existence and healing spells coming from the tips of all our priests' fingers.

>>6148160
nope, he'd be evil. Evil people can have friends they stick up for and family that love without BAH HAHA I BETRAY MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS bullshit.

>>6148186
Thread is now about how (or if) the alignment system should/can be changed to better reflect varying circumstances.

rolled 12, 6, 7 = 25

>>6148160
No, he would be unaligned.

>>6148198
cont: in fact, the best way to judge someone's alignment is how they treat people they have power over and/or people who have no relation to that person.

>>6148201
MtG colors.

>>6148160

Well, the game does tell you that Elves dislike Drow and feel superior to men, etc.

Basically, D&D is a game made by humans for humans and thus will be biased towards humans and other races perceived as "good".

The primary question we need to resolve, in order to determine how our Pally handles this situation is to determine whether or not they keep having sex.

I think we call all agree that it is not inherently evil to have sex outside of marriage (though obviously it *can* be), so Pally is in no danger of falling (hur-durrr) -but depending on his code, it is probably UNLAWFUL. That being the case we can take the dickings out of the Good/Evil dimension and put them into the Lawful/Chaotic dimension.

It's a given that under ordinary circumstances, the paladin would NOT be sticking it in an adolescent chaotic neutral adolescent. But, for the last goodly while, he has been.
Because of this, she helped him escape and left her family to be with him. She obviously held the expectation that the sexings would continue; indeed this would have been one of her primary motivations in helping him, so she could have him herself. By accepting her aid with those unspoken but understood conditions, I would argue that this constitutes a tacit contract.

It would actually be WRONG -both bad and unlawful- to stop having relations with her at this point. It's wrong that he's fucking her in the first place, but it would be a greater wrong to stop now.

His responsibility must be to:
a) return to the surface,
b) see to her safety and well-being once there,
and either
c) work on her character development as their relations continue, AND/OR
d) see to it that she doesn't have a broken heart when their relations are at an end.

>>6148187
Lynchings and so forth were common in the south not so long ago. people participated in such things.

Our hypothetical "nice racist" would probably participate in such things himself, if they were still going on, and you wouldnt be caught for it.

Here's the question: I dont know many truly racist people. I'd like to think that the really nasty bigotry and horribleness that is inflicted in this world is done by people who are dipshits in the first place. It doesnt seem likely, though. Has anyone ever met a truly nice, good person who also happened to be very willing to hurt/kill other people if they happened to be of a different race/nation/religion?

>>6148240
She's a freaking adolecent. transference. it shouldnt be too hard to get her attatched to some other random dude. once she's pried off of his leg, he can get about the fathering and the teaching of rightness.

>>6148221
>...by humans for humans...
These are arguably the four most important words in this entire thread. The alignment system goes by public morals as per human standards, not that of elves, dwarves or what-have-you... similar races don't share this same system of morals and beliefs to the exact letters and THAT is why this system is inherently flawed. Wherein one player could say his actions (ie: killing a man who poses a threat) are geared toward the goodwill of the party whole, the rest might see it as murdering someone who tried to defend themselves from an even larger threat and thus, evil.

HEY FAGGOTS
When are we going to stat this paladin and his teenage drow girlfriend? Drawfaggotry may result.

>>6148201
hmm...
I like a system from the swedish RPG Eon

basically you have (I think it's) 6 attributes with a 3-18 value

Loyalty
Honour
'Amore'
Aggression
Generosity
and... ehh... I forget the others and my DM has all the material

10 being average

So a person with low honour but high loyalty would be your average lawful evil, add amore for womanising behaviour, aggression for violent tendencies and generosity for how compassionate you are

then you can also add specializations towards some groups which gives you bonuses/negatives towards your attitude towards them

>>6148304
Not at all. THERE ARE cosmic absolutes in D&D, and just because a people don't *think* their evils are evil, doesn't mean they're not.

All other disagreements are covered under the lawful-chaotic spectrum. And provided that the laws are not themselves evil (cosmic absolutes, again), it is lawful to follow them no matter how they depart from human/player norms.

If the law says women shall be veiled and topless in public on sundays, then by god the PCs chicks had better stay inside on sunday if they have objections.

>>6148220

the best thing about the MtG color system as an alignment system is that everyone generally has at least a bit of the philosophies that compose each color, and that the colors only have tend to be friends with based on philosophy on the others.

i.e. Green creatures don't have to get along together, and a good chunk of them are fine with a few zombies being around (i.e. not high color commitment)

>>6148240

I'd imagine that a lawful good character such as our paladin, when put in such a position, would likely try to "take responsibility" as soon as possible and marry the girl; she could probably be convinced by the fact it would mean she has him all to herself for the rest of his like—seeing as how she was jealous enough to get herself effectively exiled from her culture in order to continue sexing him up alone, she would probably respond positively to this.

>>6148424
but are not law-chaos also cosmic aboslutes?

law being strict hierarchy and civilized and chaos being more hippie commune like?

>>6148497
He's Lawful Good not Lawful Stupid.
She's a drow, a drow he's going to have to carefully wean off of regarding him as her own personal fucktoy. Do you *really* think she would go for marriage? Do you really think he would be stupid enough to think she would?

>>6148537
Of course. But laws and norms are BY THEIR NATURE lawful. Conflict occurs by degrees, and is all but impossible to sort out except in egregious cases.

The alignment system is 'flawed' because it is simplified. It is only two dimensional. Probably a third and maybe even a fourth dimension should be added, which would describe the way they act around friends/family and with strangers.

However, adding such dimensions to the alignment system would also add more flaws, which could only be fixed by making it even more complex. In the end we'd have an alignment system, which is very difficult to read, but would describe the character in detail. That means "detect alignment" = "what kind of a character is he?". It could work with NPCs but probably not that well with players.

>>6145296

>WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO ESCAPE?!?!

Maybe because he doesn't like foreplay that consists of floggings, brandings, strapon dildo dickings, and fresh piercings added to his sensitive dangly bits?

>>6148563

In fact, the drow consider the idea of marriage utterly ridiculous. He would have to propose the idea to her very carefully, and hint that there would be a cessation of sexings if she doesn't do it. Even then, the Paladin would have to resign himself to the idea of an "open marriage."

http://drowcampaign.roleplaynexus.com/drowsociety.html

>>6148563
>>6148756

Ah. Never mind, then. I've not much experience with Drow and not going to pretend to be.

>>6148782
Ah, kay. Thought you were just being another "HURDURR pallys are stupid because they have to be good!" fa/tguy

Wouldn't be a bad thought with a chick from another race.

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET THIS FUCKING THREAD ONTO THE FRONT PAGE?

>>6145776
..Drow traditionally Worship Spiders.
It isn't unusual for Female Spiders to kill after Mating with Male ones.

Still want that Drow poon skippy?

>>6148844
It's Auto-Saging, I believe.

new thread

>>6149075