In fact, I can't even really think of a Big Bad Evil Girl anywhere in any media who isn't mostly made of standard evil girl cliches.

Like, even in the Animal Crossing LP, the BBEG is a vain self-involved vamp who is harvesting everyone else to keep herself young and "beautiful."

>>5974314
>>head ripped off
:(

>>5974366
LP?

Poison Ivy just wants to protect her babies

>>5974367

The Adventures of Gorgeous Princess Creamy Beamy had to end sometime.

ComicGenesis' best fetish-based superhero webcomic
2005-2009
R.I.P.

>>5974372

"Let's Play."
Like semi-interactive communal fanfiction... for videogames... but not anywhere near as gay as that sounds.
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/

Women never have rationale reasons for anything. If one wants to take over or destroy the world, it's either for revenge or to accessorize her life with toys.

>>5974314
In games where the villain's plot revolves around court intrigue, the gender of said villain almost doesn't matter. All it takes is a sense of entitlement run amok and everything else is just seasoning. Not valuing the lives of common folk, not valuing ANY life other than their own, a drive to prove one's self to a parent grooming them for success, a vagina, etc.

Flesh out your villain's motives and the reasons for their motives first, THEN add in the descriptive stuff.

>>5974398

Maternal stereotypes pushed to an extreme aren't exactly breaking the mold here, guy.

>>5974314

Since you were kind enough to supply a reactionface in payment, I'll bite.

Yes. In fact, it is easy to make a good BBEB. The thign is, most people don't. Most gamers don't give a shit about makign non-standardised bad guys. Of those that do, most have little experience with female characters and so go for the old steadies. From those that do, you'll see a few decent female villain characters.

They work exactly the smae as male characters. It's just self-selection that makes them more frequently off-the-shelf.

Perhaps she's a vampire who just wished to establish a more comfortable and nightless environment in her new home town...

Maybe she's a ghost who arranged for the essence of spring to be stolen so that she could see how the dead, giant, spiritual tree in her garden looks like in full bloom...

So, what's a reasonable reason for a BBEW to want to screw up the world? PMS? Trying to control the market value of shoes? Out to destroy beautiful people because she's fat with a vindictive personality?

Maybe she's an oni who caused one party too many using her foregathering powers in her pursuit of booze and merriment...

Or she really, REALLY just wants to blow everything the fuck up.

Perhaps she's a goddess trying to establish her religion in this new realm...

I'm a big fan of taking real world psychological problems and using those as a basis. A bipolar chick that projects her own problems onto the rest of the world, and sees everyone as needing guidance in their life.

>>5974402
but taking over or destroying the world is a terrible idea for anything but revenge or toys in the first place,

Maybe she's a thrillseeking, unwise celestial who caused a series of earthquakes and wild weather just to see how people would react...

>>5974448

Here is your rogues' gallery, then.

>>5974428

For some reason, you never see female Evil Cultists, so make a standard "The Stars WILL Be Right If I Have To Kill A Town To Do It" Cultist and make it a female.

She pops up off the Sacrifice Altar as the PCs untie her. In the middle of combat, she stabs the tank in the back. HERO DOUBLETAKE FTW

Any female BBEG I have will surely just be doing evil things because she's a drugged-out bitch who thinks you're an asshole for telling her that the dangerous amount of illegal drugs she's shoveling into her throat are dangerous and decides to attack her friends instead of listening to them.

Of course, that might just be me projecting.

Maybe she was granted the privilege of consuming the divine power of the sun, and retardedly misinterpreted a request to "spread the power of nuclear fusion" as "destroy everything with the power of nuclear fusion" because it would be FUCKING AWESOME...

>>5974458

I love you, Spambot.

Here, have a villainess.

An evil baroness out to collect scraps of lore and magic items necessary to resurrect a stupidly powerful Dark Lord, then try to use him to wipe out her foes while keeping him in control.

She was an evil bitch, but pragmatic and controlled with little interest in anything but power. On Team Hexor because it seemed like the fastest way to be the ruler of more then a minor barony.

Oh, and Malifacent is just an evil bitch that is vain and easily angered. She doesn't give a damn if Aurora is more pretty then she is, the only reason she wants the girl dead is because she wasn't invited to the christening with the good faries.

>>5974314

I like this chick's style.

... or maybe she's a herald of peace and equality (Jesus) who just got unsealed by her servants after a thousand-year banishment, and who honestly doesn't know who the fuck you are and why you want to beat her up.

Why the random touhou?

>>5974500

Why the fuck would they be trying to beat her up?

Somehow, in spite of being a Japanese alcoholic otaku's personal loli shootin' party, the Touhou series characters are consistently the most original and classy of all fantasy genre women.

This either says something inspirational about the power of nerdish obsession or something horrible about the talent of writers and artists, east and west, to create any female characters who aren't "good/bad girl stereotype with skanky outfit."

>>5974515
Because they are in the Imperial Legion. And STOP CRIMINAL SCUM!

Our campaign is Highfolk-based war in the Vesve

One recurring villainess is a high-level Cleric of Iuz who acts as Field Commander for an Evil Adventuring Party.

She, like my Pelorian, just wans to serve the will of her God. By killing us. Thus far, she's not succeeded, but she has a nasty habit of teleporting in at inconvenient times

>>5974500

Who the hell is that?

>>5974515

Loot, treasure, and an unshakable belief that they're the good guys and the other guys HAVE to be the bad guys.

>>5974515
>Why the fuck would they be trying to beat her up?
ReimuA's scenario:

Byakuren: My name is Byakuren. I used to be a monk a long, long time ago. You seem to be a shrine maiden, am I right? Did you come down here to seal me away again?
Reimu: Oh, yes, that's exactly right!
Byakuren: You're another oppressor of youkai, aren't you? You know, I realized that gods and buddhas are no more than youkai. But youkai are hated, and gods are worshipped. That's because humans decided it should be that way.
Reimu: Huh? Well, I've beaten gods, too ...
Byakuren: Yes, my scrolls are full of the light of Buddha. From now on, I'll have to make sure I show my gratitude to those who freed me.
Reimu: Hmm, I wonder if it'd really be okay to leave you alone?
Byakuren: I can't change your desire to eliminate all youkai. However, if you're going to seal me away again --
Byakuren: I will resist you with all my strength.
Reimu: Yes, there we go! I'll beat anyone who's a friend to youkai!
Byakuren: Humans haven't changed since my days in the temple. How foolish and self-centered you are! Now, namusan ―― !

Instead of breaking stereotype, how about getting really offensive?

The BBEW is the Queen of a fast-breeding half-race who can breed with almost anything, and she wants to be fucked by as many men of as many races as possible to build her army and will kill anyone or anything that gets in the way. She will try and rape the male PCs and have her male minions attack and rape female PCs, all in the name of breeding her army.

>>5974576
Azula!

>>5974582
>Women are evil and use sex as a tool to destroy men.

I know this isn't what you meant, but it's fun to reduce concepts like this to terribly bitter statements.

>>5974565
ReimuB's scenario:

Byakuren: My name is Byakuren. I was a monk a long, long time ago. You seem to be a shrine maiden, am I right? Did you come down here to admit that I wasn't wrong?
Reimu: Hm. I'm a shrine maiden who punishes those who aid youkai! And I think you're a dangerous person who all the youkai respect.
Byakuren: I see, then you'll seal me away again?
Reimu: Yes, exactly!
Byakuren: You ... really don't think the same way that I do, do you? That humans and youkai can live together as equals in the light of the Buddha ...
Reimu: Th-there's no way!
Byakuren: Then why did you lift the seal?
Reimu: Well ... because it would've been scarier if the youkai did it! It would be better for me to lift it myself ...
Byakuren: From now on, I'll have to make sure I can show my gratitude to those who freed me. I can't change your desire to eliminate all youkai. However, if you're going to seal me away again ――
Byakuren: I will resist you with all my strength.
Reimu: Hmph, you should have said that from the start. After all, I'll beat anyone who's a friend to youkai!
Byakuren: Humans haven't changed since my days in the temple. How weak and rash you are! Now, namusan ―― !

>>5974582

How about have her be the High Priestess of a God of Rape while we're at it?
That way she'll still be subservient to a male rape power.
And as a shocking twist, in her past, maybe even her childhood, SHE WAS RAPED!

>>5974602

She was ZOMG RAPED by the God of Rape.

Whom she then fell in love with.

>>5974602
>>5974626

BEHOLD YOUR NEW GOD

>I AM A FAGGOT

>>5974598
>>5974565
To be fair, Reimu wasn't serious about sealing her up. It was more 'dohoho I'll seal you up' *smirk*

And then they all had tea at the shrine.

>>5974402

What about love?
I'm sure there are plenty of villainesses who were motivated by love.

>In fact, I can't even really think of a Big Bad Evil Girl anywhere in any media who isn't mostly made of standard evil girl cliches.

Um, Shodan and GLADoS for starters?

Didn't Ultimecia want to compress time as revenge for being persecuted?

>>5974835
We've had a few of them.

I like to rape them.

>>5974845

>GLADoS
Woman hurt by men, driven to hurt men in turn.
>SHODAN
SHODAN started out as a guy, but turned into The Baroness.

THE POWER OF LOVE

I've made one in my previous game. It was a fantasy setting with a really low-tech, beginnings of an iron age. Its BBE "G" was a shadowy society with a circle of powerful magic wielders and political figures pulling strings on a global scale, causing wars and manipulating stock prices and even succession of dynasties for SOME reason unknown to the players.

Within that society there is a legendary swordsman who had earned his place in the organization by sheer bravery and loyalty. He has a kind-hearted and fragile girl born to him as his first and only child (her mother dies at childbed and he never remarries). When she was 13, her father became too much of an obstacle to some of the council's practices and was subsequently assassinated in a power struggle, his daughter given his position in the council because she would be much easier to manipulate. The assassination and subsequent exposure to the worst of human intrigues and subterfuge were defining moments of her life.

And noone had counted on her father's stubbornness. He was everything she had and she idolized him. Of course he made sure she was treated as a nobleman's daughter would, taught in the arts of calligraphy and educated in literature and history. She was spoiled and treated with the finest perfumes and baths. But he also taught her, from the earliest age, how to fight. He taught her that his sword, made by a master swordsmith, bears a proud tradition and that she should never use it unless in self-defense. He taught her about the meagre beginnings of their line, 200 years ago, as a common footman distinguished himself on the battlefield and earned his title. He taught her about family duties and honor. Never forgetting she was a girl, he taught her as he would a son he knew he'd never have.

>>5974880
*I* love you, Medea.

Even though I know this is probably going to get me chopped up into little pieces and thrown into the ocean or something.

OP, women can be motivated by the same thing as male villains. Lust for power, religious fanaticism, envy, bigotry, duty, whatever.

>>5974402
>Herp DURRRRR!

>>5974884
But this didn't have the intended effect. She had never been a warrior; she loved poetry and stories about distant lands, not those about death and slaughter. She couldn't stand the sight of blood. After her father was assassinated, and she installed as a figurehead to sit in his place in the council, she soon broke under the manipulations, power struggles, marriage proposals from lesser circle members, and overall responsibility heaped on what was still just a spoiled child. All the training in martial ards bestowed upon her did not make her stronger; it only confused her kind-hearted nature and sped up her fall into depression.

Then she was married off to one of the big three mages in the circle, old, ugly, and one she knew was behind her father's assassination. She tried to take her own life on her wedding day, with her father's sword, as she knew tradition and honor would require. But she wasn't strong enough for that. She knew she had failed her father.

When the old man put his hand on her that night she begged him to stop. She was desperate and alone. She started screaming and tried to run away. She heard the guards in front of the sleeping chamber laugh. The old man lost his temper and made a mistake of mentioning her father and her mother in less than positive light.

Hi

>>5974887
It was all over in a flash. Her vision became blurry through all the tears, and by the time she could see clearly she was still in the process of bashing in the skull of the oldest and most renown mage in the Society with a candelabre. He was already dead when the guards rushed in. She saw the blood and retched. Then she saw the guards and remembered how they laughed at her screams and when her father was insulted. Without even thinking, she took a ceremonial sword from the wall - a heavy, unwieldy thing made of bronze - and in three quick moves there were two dead guards on the floor. By this time there were no more tears, only rage at her father's death, at her own incompetence, at the cruel world that pulled her away from her poetry and fables and thrust her into this society she never wanted any part of.

Resolved, calm, as if she was merely a spectator of her own actions, she proceeded to take her father's legendary sword and went out into the night, a petite 15-year old, barefoot, pale, and wearing nothing but her white but blood-stained sleeping gown.

That night she single-handedly assassinated every single one of the council members, including two mages, the city's Captain of the Guard, a prince, and two ambassadors from other two superpowers. Somewhere along the way the city caught on fire. Long before dawn the entire city was on its feet, telling horror stories of the deadly White Spirit Stained in Blood.

>>5974885
Only if you cheat on her. Otherwise, Medea will love you 'til the end of time.

>>5974890
Daddy issues.

>>5974366
Kitiara uth Matar.

More likely, the problem is that there are so many nasty stereotypes and cliches about women is that you can make pretty much any female villain fit one of them.

>>5974893
The sun dawned to find her sitting in the council room, alone, with all the power of the Society at her fingertips and all its hidden plans and agendas laid bare in front of her eyes. Then she learned the horrible secret behind why they had been manipulating the global political scene and why the survival of the human civilization might well be in her hands. She sat on the table and sheathed her father's sword, never parting from it again. She failed her father once. She vowed never to repeat that. She vowed never again to be weak, never to be pressured into anything again in her life. And she vowed not to let the council's work go to waste.

Later that week, the PCs enter the city seeking revenge on a shadowy society that seemed to have been behind an assassination attempt on their liege lord over two months ago.

>>5974900
That didn't save her brother.

>>5974907
Well, blame the douchebag who made her kill her brother, not Medea herself.

Hmmm, well the big bad evil girl right now, is an infernal being that is the reincarnation of a PC's dead wife.

She's going to be informed of this about 3/4ths through the confrontation with it, break free, and desire to be good again and to be loved by him more than anything else. Judging from what I know about the PC, there is a 99.9% chance that he is going to immediately kill her anyway.

Good times.

>>5974903
>>5974893
>>5974887
>>5974884

So your idea of a villainess who is NOT based on stereotypical bad girl things is one whose every action is based on her relationship with her father.
Her father who raised her to be the son he never had.
And who is now obsessed with being strong enough to be a good son for daddy.

>>5974922
What a jerk. Who wouldn't want a hot devil woman?

>>5974893
>by the time she could see clearly she was still in the process of bashing in the skull of the oldest and most renown mage in the Society with a candelabre
Awesome.

>>5974925
The problem is that, like >>5974902 said, there's no shortage of stereotypes about women. Is she a total ball-busting bitch? Stereotype! Is she well-intentioned but short-sighted, doing bad things for emotional reasons? Stereotype! Etc.

>>5974737
Shit, wish I had that copypasta about Reimu's exploits through the series.
>10.5 - Reimu endorses slavery
>11 - Reimu halts beneficial scientific progress
...and so on.

Though while we're on the subject, Touhou endbosses have rather non-cliche motivations for their actions. Prevent spring in the larger world so spring can happen in their home; make everyone go a little nuts so they can be honest and party; cover the land in eternal night so they can go outside any time.

So you can have a BBEG that has a non-malicious but world damaging agenda. Sorceress distorting the timeline of an entire nation as the side effect of an experimental spacetime spell that would grant unlimited time-travel when complete. Powerful, mind-reading interplanar female grants the desires of every person whose mind she touches, spawning untold chaos in an attempt to make everyone happy. Estranged priestess turns to necromancy to save her town from invaders, undead army defeats invaders then turns to attack surrounding lands, priestess' views become warped as the result of her dabbling so she keeps the entire town under martial law "for their safety."

>>5974925
The most recent female villian was a faire we happened to screw over by selling her kingdom to humans for expansion, thanks to epic lawyer action. She wants us dead because we made her people slaves on their own land, so we have to finish the job. Its more of "well we are super dicks so we deserve it.."

>>5974925
I wasn't aware daddy issues was a stereotype; if they are, I am guilty as charged. She is definitely not trying to be his son. She WANTS to be all girly, that's the reason she flipped out in the first place.

And being fiercely protective of your dead family, the only one you ever had, is not "daddy issues".

>>5974950
>And being fiercely protective of your dead family, the only one you ever had, is not "daddy issues".
It is if you're just looking to boil a character down to a stereotype!

>>5974928
Yeah, its probably gonna be depressing time now.

Raising your daughter as one would a son. Never seen that trope before.

>>5974968
Permissive/cooperative fathers are how women historically got to do guy things. Eliza Lucas Pinckney, for example.

>So your idea of a villainess who is NOT based on stereotypical bad girl things is one whose every action is based on her relationship with her father.

That sounds like a pretty non stereotypical female villain to me, to be honest (unless she's just getting molested). I'm sure you could name one from some obscure ass novelist, but that's about it.

Its the default motivation for atheists probably, but not female villains.

I don't think a chaotic stupid vampire bitch who is an utterly sadistic monster, who killed her own mom and kids and shit, simply because she thought "that's how a proper vampire should act" would count as a stereotypical bad girl. Then again, I dunno.

>>5974968

It's even more creative than that time I saved a princess by hitting a dragon with my sword.


...anyways, bad girls are expected to have daddy issues, either "daddy never loved me, fuck you dad!" like Sarah Kerrigan (Arcturus Mengsk and the Overmind both being her father figures), or trying to impress daddy and do good by him like in most comics, books and movies where a Big Bad Evil Dad raises his daughter as his son rather than as his prized daughter (no doubt in an attempt to avoid the Mad Scientist's Daughter trope).

>>5974974
>atheists
>based on relationship with their father
Huh?

Former high priestess of a now dead god, who has been tracking his children across the world, so that when they all die she can steal his power instead of resurrecting him?

Shitty, I know, but...

>>5975000
What're the alternatives? How many villains have a father who didn't either lead them into evil or oppress them?

>>5975003
I read some article that said atheists were merely mentally ill due to having a bad relationship with their father.

>>5975017
>I read some article that said atheists were merely mentally ill due to having a bad relationship with their father.
You, uh, probably shouldn't believe every piece of retarded psychoanalysis you read in some article somewhere.

>>5975010
Well, I had a villain whose dad was killed for fucking a gargoyle girl, and whose mom was killed for being said girl. Both parents were great.

>>5974974

Have you EVER watched a movie, read a book, seen a comic, etc. in which an evil princess wants to depose of the prince (be he good or evil) or kill the hero or anything really really villainous, JUST so her father or the country will FINALLY see that she's "worthy" of being the true heir to the throne and should rule the country?

Happens all the time, man.
All. The. Time.

>>5975022
I don't.

>>5975030
Okay then, name a movie.

>>5974968
If that's the only thing from that entire wall of text you can poke your finger at, then I am perfectly happy. And if you know about tropes you will know tropes are not bad. You literally cannot write anything trope- or archetype-free these days and if you try you will just write yourself in the corner. Tropes come from archetypes and archetypes are important for storytelling and have been before we invented writing, which means for over 7 millenia.

Reductio ad absurdum: A pink-skinned (with yellow spots) hermaphrodyte that was raised by paper elementals and skilled in the art of plucking flowers in alphabetical order.
Pretty original, right? WRONG. Related tropes: Gender issues, colored skin, raised by exotic beings, unusual skill. Using the logic of this thread, pink-skinned hermaprhodites with yellow spots raised by paper elementals and skilled in the art of picking flowers alphabetically are a cliche. How come? I sure as fuck didn't see much of those in my games.

>>5975040
Most adaptations of the King Arthur story featuring Morgan le Fay.

>>5975034
Then why would you believe that?

>>5974974
>Its the default motivation for atheists
You are mixing up satanists and atheists, there.

Also, your christfaggotry is showing, you have clearly no idea what free thinking means.

>>5975050
Well shit, I figured if you saw one movie adaptation you've seen them all..

>>5975060
Suddenly, a trolling check is made.

>>5975065
That is the case. Just as when you've seen one BBEG with daddy issues, you've seen 'em all.

>>5975040

It's four in the morning here, I don't think I can name any movies that were ever filmed PERIOD at this point.

So instead, I'll name Cersei Lannister from ASoIaF and Azula from Avatar The Last Airbender.

>>5975050
>Morgan
>impress her father
What?
You stupid fuck. That doesn't work at all.

>Then why would you believe that?

I don't, we're discussing fictional character's motivations, remember?

Besides, we all know atheists don't have motivations, other than try to spread the greatest amount of evil and chaos to the greatest number of people.

>>5975078
The requirement for specification was "so her father or the country". I went with the "or the country" approach. Also, I said adaptation. Meaning massive inaccuracy based on the real story, because America seems to be incapable of not cannibalizing a plot when they make a movie based off something.

Right now my DH team has to deal with a BBEGal who is a warp witch, that managed to seduce an Inquisitor out of the inquisition, rapes men and women for fun. Turns monasteries into temples of Slaanesh complete with thralls who do nothing but eat until the burst, the former occupying clerics suspended from the ceiling with drugs pumping into their bodies. She's been reportedly killed 3 times. Once by orbital bombardment.

In a plot twist it turns out Slaanesh granted her the power of regeneration so she could continue her work until she ascends to Demon Prince status. Which she is close do doing.

>>5975072
Okay, so if a stereotype is fresh enough that you don't see it in movies or RPG products (Outside of Vampire: The Pettiness), I'm gonna go with its good enough to use in a game.

>>5975097
What adaptation is this in which Morgan LeFey is trying to show the country anything? I'venever heard of anything like it.

Also, name a motivation that's sweeping enough and of course you'll find a couple of characters who fit. Doesn't make it a common trope/stereotype

>>5975097
What the fuck man. okay, so a female who does bad stuff for patriotic reasons is a stereotype now.

Either way, its certainly not a "bad girl" stereotype. unless, I guess, she's a sexy commie spy.

>>5975115
Most recently? Try the tv series Merlin. Bitch keeps trying to prove she knows best and nearly ends up killing people because of it.

>>5975118
Trying to prove to everybody through violence that you're right and they're wrong is patriotic?

>>5975134
>try the recent TV s--
Stopped reading there. I don't pollute my mind with garbage.

>>5975140
Have you never met a fucking american in your entire life?

>>5975140
So current Republicans would have you believe.

>>5975149
How convenient for you.

>>5975110
>Cersei Lannister
>original and fresh female villain whose character arc was completely non-stereotypical.
Right.

>>5975118

The stereotype is pretty obviously "show everyone that I should be the chosen one despite my gender handicap," not "patriotism."

>>5974465
>>5974447
>>5974435
>>5974425
>>5974414

Maybe she's just a small town girl, living in a looooooonely worrrrld

>The stereotype is pretty obviously "show everyone that I should be the chosen one despite my gender handicap," not "patriotism."

Oh, I get it, you're impossible to satisfy. I get it now.

>>5975199

>implying that overcompensating for penis lack and/or threatening the patriarchal order isn't a stereotypical villainess motivation

>>5975182
>show everyone that I should be the chosen one despite my gender handicap,
What... that's not even a stereotype.

>>5974314
My BBEG's motivation is pure preservation and nothing more. If she stops ruling her evil empire or waging eternal war her generals would rise against her and have her killed. Basicaly she's slave to her own power.

>>5975211
>implying that overcompensating for sexist bias is the same as overcompensating for lack of penis

>>5975211

Yes my dear faggot, if a woman opposes a man ever, she's a stereotypical bad girl.

>impossible to satisfy
>motive for a female BBEG

I think I've seen that one too, quite a few times.

>>5975240
That's a quest NPC motivation, not an antagonist motivation. (Unless its a Touhou antagonist)

>>5975214

Yes, it is totally fresh and original and not ever before seen.
Please let us be lectured by a leather-clad sado bitch about how she's only killing people because MEN HELD HER DOWN BUT NOW NOW SHE'LL SHOW THEM ALL.
And how she was born first and IF I HAD BEEN THE PRINCE INSTEAD OF THE PRINCESS I'D BE RUNNING THE PLACE AND DOING A DAMN BETTER JOB THAN YOU, BUT NO I DON'T HAVE A PENIS AND THAT MAKES ME ANGRY. ANGRY ABOUT PENISES.
While you're at it maybe throw in a few speeches about how MEN ARE ALL THE SAME YOU THINK YOU'RE SO GREAT BUT YOU'RE REALLY ALL A BUNCH OF STUPIDHEADS.
It will be fresh and innovative and totally not anything we're bored of at all.

>>5975254
I've never seen or read anything like that dude. What are you even talking about? What book has that?

I mean, it's a shitty two-dimensional character, but it's not exactly typical.

Do all the games have to have a BBEG? Or is the BBEG just the guy the party designates as the one person/whatever they want to get rid of?

>It will be fresh and innovative and totally not anything we're bored of at all.

The tweest: She is actually Tsundere for men and is redeemed when she hits 1 hit point, and decides to have an orgy with the PCs instead, providing there is at least one male or one female in the party.

>>5975254
Wow butthurt "masculinist" detected.

>>5975271
Well, there'll usually be a semi irrelevant BBEG somewhere (like Xykon) who eventually gets Cerebrused into top tier.

>>5975279
Hmmm, I think he was implying that butthurt feminist villains are overdone (all I can think of is Loviatar off the top of my head.. who I think in 4e was raped by Bane into submission), if he was a masculinist then he'd think 2D feminist antagonists are awesome. Right?

>>5975279
>masculist
No.
No, I am pissed off that every time I see a woman gain a position of power in male-driven media she spends it deciding to punish men, obsesses over her gender, and generally makes a trainwreck of it all.
It is YOU that I hate, for believing that making contemptible straw-feminist characters in your fantasy settings is in any way an interesting, new, or healthy way of examining social issues.
You and all your whole brotherhood of closet antifeminist nerds.

Wow my BBE(Gals) have totaly different motivations
Ashley (defeated) - Just wanted to see things burn. She was a pyromanaic and a pyrokenetic. She loved to smell flesh burning, and hear people scream as they burned alive. Nothing deeper than that. She just loved fire.

Victoria (Active) - Was a bored socialite, she discovered chaos worship and descided she liked the Slaanshi idea of do what ever you want, when ever you want, as much as you want, then do it some more. She descided as her power in Slaanesh grew that anyone who wasn't her were cattle to be raped, eaten, or used as she saw fit.

>>5975307
>butthurt feminist villains are overdone
My favorite part is how they're totally written by and a projection of actual feminists.

>>5975096
so in otherwords christians are trying to spread chaos and evil,
oh hoho ho, big surprise there,
are you and you're little 'god' *chuckle*, still around
oh you atheists crack me up.

>>5975310
>No, I am pissed off that every time I see a woman gain a position of power in male-driven media she spends it deciding to punish men, obsesses over her gender, and generally makes a trainwreck of it all.
Seriously WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I can't name a single freaking movie, book, etc like this.

I had a big bad evil chick.
Hell.
I had two.
Deava sire who was mostly a hedonist and liked to play off people's flaws.
And her Malkavia infected childe, who was mostly creepy and scared my players.

>>5975310
Way to get trolled hard, fag. ^_^

>she spends it deciding to punish men, obsesses over her gender, and generally makes a trainwreck of it all.

So female supreme court justices are "stereotypical bad girls" now?

>>5975333
>Man, I'm gonna troll these guys so hard
Leave the trolling to pros like me, kiddo. You're no good at it.

>>5975322
guy's idea of successful women is limited to the idiots he sees on faux news all the time. also, he is an idiot.
Real successful women are usually pricks just like successful men, and dont give a damn about their fellow girls living in the dirt, just like most men dont give a damn about their fellow man when theyre half as rich as bill gates,
Tell you what, If i had bill gate's money, maybe i wouldn't give all of it to charity, but i certainly don't see a need to pimp out my fucking house, buy 9 cars and otherwise blow it on crap that doesn't matter, I havent bough a single rip off warhammer figurine, but at least thats a hobby, masturbating to how many cars you have while you suck up petrol and water on your grass no one is allowed on but you is pretty fucking stupid.

>>5975346
As the good lord Jesus said, he who soweth his seed far and wide, etc.

>>5975358
>I got trolled so hard my butt hurts bad
lol, let me call u a wahmbulanse

>>5975367
Are you implying I was trolled by someone mocking my leet troll skills?

Maybe it's just me, but I've got a thing for warrior women as bad gals. They strike me as the least yawnsom kind of BBEG. Maybe I've just gotten sick of the cruel sorceress thing, but I like to see a woman in plate with a mace and ambitions of taking over camelot every once in a while. It's refreshing.

>>5975377
in b4 -4str herpderp as usual. i hate u fags in advance

>>5975377
>human fighter trying to be a Big Bad

Aww, isn't that cute.

Wow, ITT we literally have trolls trolling trolls. Hunh.

>>5975400
>I only play 3.shit edition

>>5975352
You will change your way of thinking when you get that kind of money. Why? Because you won't have friends otherwise. You'll be paranoid of your old acquaintances, because they magically seem to remember you and pay attention to you. That means poor(er) people won't work out too well and if you want rich friends, well, you'll most likely have to buy those 9 cars.

There is a saying my grandfather told me that goes "The German is either at your throat or under your feet." Meaning that they will either be completely vicious or completely subdued (or dead).

The same is true of women.

>>5974893
>>5974887
>>5974884

would have been a lot better if it hadn't been a 15 year old... Seriously what is it with people wanting to play/tell stories about teenagers with supa-powahs or "she trained her whole life for this! She's super good and strong!" because that's exactly what that sounded like.

>>5975407
>I only play WoW Edition

>>5975407
Don't you go startin' no Edishun Wars.

>>5975441
>2e is WoW!
Are you sure you didn't mean
>I'm ignorant of any editions before 3.5 because I'm 14

>>5975434
So training from "the earliest age" by a "legendary swordsman" didn't factor into your train of thought at all I see.

>>5975476
>LOLITROLU
Go back to school, kid.

>>5975480
>copying a troll who trolled a troll earlier in the thread
0/10 cry moar, my lolcow

>>5975421
Well, women do have a certain craving for being controlled. Which is super cool if you're the dominating type, not quite as fun if you're the masochistic type.

>>5975502
>Well, women do have a certain craving for
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM.

Your retarded generalization is retarded. Some women do. Others don't. Other women have a craving for dominating others. Some of them do it recreationally. Some of them do it profesionally.

>>5975458
2e was just a money grubbing attempt by TSR to milk the cash cow with both udders, and to appease fundies by removing the evil classes, removing the references to demons and devils, and the boobies, and making it all sterilized and family friendly.

All of you, collectively, have trolled me. I hate this thread bald. I wish I could stab you all in the spleens.

>>5975523
>Are you angry yet? How about now? Huh? Please?
Nah.

>>5975502
yeah this is essentially true, I'd think i was weird but i cant come up with any other reason why judochristianislamic religion and patriarchy is so successful in general, I mean, sure theres oppression, but it shouldn't be THAT effective everywhere. People just have a tendency to mindlessly follow a leader and us girls more so =/

>>5975520
Nah buddy, I'm pretty sure all human beings have the desire to control and to be controlled somewhere in them, and pretty much contain every motive under the sun somewhere inside their brains.

>>5975538
2/10

>>5975533
Jews did 9/11

Everyone posting is a troll who should be in bed or in school.

>>5975546
>>i didn't evolve from pack animals! honest!

>>5975550
Jews did your mom.

>>5975552
lol @ believing in the disproven theory of evilution

>>5975555
Jews did your palm

>>5975564
>>trollface.jpg

Way to shit up what was originally a somewhat promising thread, guys. You must all be very proud of yourselves.

>>5975564
lol @ you thinking you can still troll anyone in this thread.

>>5975573
Hahaha, trolled faggod xD

take our troll cocks down your throat like a good fag

Maybe it's that it's 6 am, but this is the funniest shit ever right now.

>>5975576
trolling implies some level of baiting, this is more like rage over a raid,

hi guise can i troll with you too plz? :)

>>5975573
The only thing remotely promising in this thread was someone rambling about evil girl Jesus and contemplating why some women enjoy being dominated.

>>5975581
That was my thought too.

Can this thread go back on track?

>>5975322
Drow society. You know it to be true.

>>5975766
Invalid example because drow women were never held down or oppressed in the first place.

Shame about this thread, it was pretty cool for awhile.

>>5975776
Considering that all drow females follow the mentality of Lolth, who was your stereotypical, "I'M BETTER THAN THE MALES SO I'LL RISE ABOVE THEM!" and failed miserably and got banshed.. stereotype by proxy.

Woman..who has no grand motive whatsoever, her every move is simply dictated by how she feels at the time...when she is angry she slaughters...when happy she cuddles furry little animals, she is surrounded by servants who believing her to be a god encourage her to fulfil her every whim to its extreme.

And so you have an unpredictable constantly changing enemy...whose reasons for anything is : ''because I felt like it''

Wow. I leave for an hour and come back to see the thread has degenerated from a valuable discussion about stereotypes into a steaming pile of troll shit.

Considering everyone seems to be playing campaigns written by dramaturgy majors who are better masters of character than Shakespeare, are completely neutral on the feminist-chauvinist scale, have politically correct views who are at the same time not politically correct so as to avoid the politically correct stereotypes, and have knowledge of all tropes in existence... I and a few more anons from this thread would like to get a few examples of these outstanding non-stereotype females. I am willing to learn from the masters. Please indulge us.

>>5975976
Noone? Anyone?
I thought so.

>>5974435
>>5974447
You skipped Kaguya, you fucker.

Last night I had a dream where I was a female vampire desperately trying to hide that fact. I took on the role of a college student, and did my best to manipulate the people around me to be blind to my true nature, even going so far as to make me rather well liked.

Plenty of paranoia when I went "home" (I had taken up residence on an abandoned Silent Hill-esque floor of some kind of ridiculously huge mall/apartment complex), and kept bumping into other students. Can't have those pesky kids know where I live, right?

Good basis for a BBEGal, or just a shitty dream?

>>5976169
Eirin was the mastermind behind IN.

>>5976028
A BBEG whose motive is to kill the party, because the party is the "Big Bad Evil Group" for her. She recruits a party for this.

And I was drawing patterns for map making in D&D.

There was once a PC. A Tiefling Rogue, with batlike wings, and a slight mental instability.

By 'slight', I mean a parasitic, psionic secondary personality that could act on its own.

After defeating a BBEG in one campaign, she went nuts, and became the BBEG in several other campaigns.

This descent happened because of her unrequieted love for another PC in that first party (Dwarven Cleric) who, when she proposed marriage, botched his Diplomacy roll to Politely Decline.

By the time she was finally vanquished, all she could remember was his name, and that she loved him. She couldn't remember what he looked like, or the events of his life.

At one point, she used an epic Psionic power to bitchslap the entire Dwaven Pantheon back through time and into never-having-existed, thus paradoxing the entire world. Nobody really noticed, they were too busy shitting bricks over the massive elevls of Taint in the world.

>>5975976
>I and a few more anons from this thread would like to get a few examples of these outstanding non-stereotype females.

What's wrong with ze Touhous?

>>5975976

Why try to avoid stereotypes in the first place, when the majority of us play in some of the most cliché-ridden generic fantasy settings imaginable? Embrace the cliché and twist it around to something new, I say.

Your campaign isn't exactly going to be a Nobel Prize winning work of fiction anyway, so it's not like complete originality is required, or even possible, depending on which philosophy you subscribe to.

You can make your villainess the most stereotypical evil temptress imaginable, complete with impractical outfits and a silly Eastern European accent, and it won't matter one way or the other if you remember to also add other character traits unrelated to the base stereotype itself, enough to make the villain seem like a character of her own and not just a cardboard cutout. Conversely, even the most seemingly original concept can fall flat if not given enough thought beyond the basic idea.

So, just go with whatever you think would be cool, without worrying about clichés. Add extra characterization detail as required, or just substitute by hamming it up. (I don't know why this works, but it seems to, judging from some of the more memorable villains we know)

Pic related for awesome.

>>5976303
The plot of the latest Touhou game is reminiscent of classic D&D adventures. The protagonists set off to beat up youkai simply on the unverifiable promise of treasure, and at the grand finale, something like this happens:

DM: She's a messenger of peace between youkai and humans. She doesn't want to fight if you don't want to.
Reimu/Marisa/Sanae: Weeeeell, we still want the XP, and we're not leaving without a fight, so we'll take her on!
DM: Sigh.

>>5976397
Sanae got upgraded from NPC to PC. Her player obviously wasn't faithful to her original incarnation as far as her portrayal went. Halfway into the session, said player started getting more than a little tipsy.

>>5976397
this is why you never give XP after combat,

My campaign's BBEG was going to be a "most dangerous game" hunter type of deal.

This thread has made me realize that I've never seen that trope done with a woman. Time to edit my plans!

>>5974527
>the Touhou series characters are consistently the most original and classy of all fantasy genre women.

Yeahno.

>>5976322
> Why try to avoid stereotypes in the first place
I agree with this, it's just that the OP said "how many of you have had a BBEG that was not a stereotypical bad girl?"

>>>5976303
Touhous are good, I was referring to after the troll takeover. Which was since reverted. With /tg/ you never know what to expect, which is why I love it.

OK, to contribute to this: How to make a female NPC whose personality isn't affected by her gender in 2 easy steps:

1. Create several male NPCs. Flesh out their histories and motivations, roll their stats, think of their appearance. Think up some scraps of dialogue they might use on the players.
2. Then, and only then, pick one by a dice roll and flip his gender (if there are sexual liaisons/marriages in their motivation, flip their gender as well).

Plus side, you guarantee you don't get a female character who does things because she's female.
Negative side: you will still be accused of creating a stereotypical female character over 50% of the time.

>>5976554
I'm sorry, but chainmail bikinis, leather clad dominatrixes, exposed midriffs, and battle thongs aren't my thing.

>>5976585
I like exposed midriffs

Femme-Major.

>>5976582

Negative side #2: you will be accused by other neckbeards of creating an implausible female character because she does not conform to the stereotypes they expect her to.

>>5976858
Those 2 negative sides just about sum up this entire thread.

>>5975853
So, you are thinking of Haruhi from hell?

That could actually work...

Pushing the "bad girl" stereotype to the extreme results in acceptable villains as well.

>>5979283

More no-nonsense CE actions from second graders.

Thanks, anime!

>>5976585
Touhou gets around all of those problems by having everyone be unarmored casters in dresses though. Which isn't saying much.

Actually, my current BBEGs are a pair of chaos siblings intending to recruit more talent for the dark gods, as well as generally out for some lulz (Two more exist but Tezneech and Nurgle's haven't shown up yet, also I'm not sure of the genders on those two)

The Slaneesh one was inspired by the Slaneesh sales girl. She's actually pretty reasonable by Slaneesh standards and tends to work behind the scenes to tip the acolytes towards generalized debauchery.

The one for Khorn is based on Khorna of the Calis story. She actually shows up to help the acolytes now and then, but only when the others aren't around and even then only for particularly violent acolytes. Thing is, she's pissed at 3 of them for destroying a particularly nice sword she dropped into the material world. Which leaves her eye turned towards the techpriest, whose motto is pretty much "The Omnissiah didn't grant us guns so we could let the psykers do all the killing." Motherfucker once went toe to toe with a Charnel Demon (while he was at 1800 exp.) and triumphed by sheer luck.

>>5980031
Before I forget, the tech priest did have a meathammer for that fight. That's an important piece of information

>>5979861
>everyone be unarmored casters

Momiji and Youmu are honest to god fighters (not necessarily that exact class) of the unarmored variety, I swear.

Momiji has a shield though

>>5980075
>>5980099
Shields and barely any armor worked for the 300.

The Scarlet Empress basically sold her soul because she saw no other way to save creation.

9/10ths of the world was dead of a plauge, and the fair folk have come to unmake reality and eat the souls of what was left of mankind.

The cost to save the world is so minor, just one soul - it seems like such a trifling thing.