A spider scared to death is worth 2 dots. Assuming spiders only have 1 health, you can easilly scare one to death by using the Mein of Baba Yaga and rolling at least 3 successes. Of course, this costs you 3 glamour and a willpower point, so you can't exactly go about it all day long, but you could probably get at least one a day and maybe more if you're days are eventful enough.

you'd need to have GOOD days at a museum.

if your storyteller's sharp, your days will get progressively worse.
plus, that would be boring. logically, your memories of it would get lower and lower in quality.

the most you could do would be having a few good trips, trading in the memories, then having a good clue left behind (a picture of yourself having a great time at seaworld) to motivate you to make more good memories there.

You're also forgetting the fact that Hobs *NEVER* make a fair deal unless you're Hob Kin. They will rip your ass off blind.

>>5924478
I don't think Hob Kin really applies to hobs in the Goblin Markets. It's my understanding that even other Hobgoblins get ripped off in there.

>>5924460
I can see it now. A bunch of seaworld employees greeting the guy by name, assking him how everything's going. He's done this so many times now that he's a prefered customer and gets special treatment. All the while the employees pity him for the strange mental condition that seems to prevent him from forming new memories. He never remembers any of their names and he always asks the same questions does the same things every time. But in a way, they envy him. He always manages to enjoy himself. He always manages to capture the excitement of the place as though it was his first time.

>>5924684

....Stealin' this so hard.

So you can sell all of your memories of college, and I'm guessing that includes everything you've learned in college, does that mean you could buy a law school education or a medical school education and get free ranks in the appropriate skills?

>>5924684
Man, Changeling is such a fucked-up game if you do it right...

>>5924684
This needs some rite proper writefaggotry.
I can see it now, one of the antendees falls in love with him and agonizes over how they can never be together. How he can never even remember that time she confessed her love for him behind the seal tank. Each day she must make him love her anew, and each night he forgets.
And somewhere sits a hob, idly sipping the memory back, letting it swirl in his brain like a heady wine as he revels in the confessions of love, of the longing glances and heartfelt moments, of the delights and sorrows of unrequited young love.
And somewhere out there is a different changeling, who just wanted to experience a day at seaworld... who finds himself now in love...

>>5924865

Jesus, now I'm depressed.

>>5924958

Welcome to Changeling!

>>5924740
I would assume so, if one were available to buy.

somebody'd have to be MAJORLY desperate enough to trade an education like that despite the ripping-off they'll get.

I'd be more interested in the side-memories of college, like the love interests, friends, etc...

you buy this massive education and suddenly, the next day, you see your sweetheart from college walking down the street. you try to say hello, but she doesn't recognize you, etc...

could be fun

>>5924865
Seaworld? Amnesia? Cool movie, bro.

>>5924958
Just think, though, with a single decision, to not sell his day once again, to choose love over trinkets and baubles, our prospective wheeler and dealer can have the girl.

Of course, by this time, the second changeling has her love mired deep within himself, each memory purchased adding fuel to the fire, each one a new telling of the same tale, over and over so many times that when they finally cease, he can't tell what part of it was a second-hand memory, and what was real. And so, he goes off in search of his lost love, recalling every nuance of their time together, not realizing that it wasn't with him...

Hmm... I think I'll just stock up on scared-to-death spiders and pay to have the girl from Seaworld enslaved for me. Problem solved.

>>5925036
Not a bad idea. Just don't be too surprised when a Darkling with Goblin Contracts: Spiders comes looking for you to fulfill a favor...

Man, baby snatching is crazy lucrative in this setting.

and that goblin midwife contract. I'm just gonna start spamming that around town. for the lulz.

Alright /tg/ fess up. Would you sell your memories of your every sexual experience for 6+ dots worth of goblin goods?

>>5925103
What book is Goblin Contract: Spiders from?

>>5925477

Enjoy your clarity hitting rock bottom in a week and every Changeling in the city wanting you dead.

>>5925531

HA! I don't HAVE any! Aside from Mr. Handy. Take THAT loopholes!

>>5925569
Watch as one of your rivals suddenly knows everything you've ever fapped to.
Watch as you're suddenly incapable of ever fapping to any of it ever again.

>>5925612
>>Watch as you're suddenly incapable of ever fapping to any of it ever again.

Man, that'd be a blessing at this point.

Fffffff... why didn't I know about this book?
Anyway might thanks Anon.

>>5925569
Fuck it. I live in New York. The freehold only has like, 50 people. I've already got a clarity of 4. first borns are worth 4 dots. I'm gonna go raid the maternity ward and buy me some slaes.

>>5925675
Some rival buys your lifetime of sexual experience expecting to get some good blackmail...
"allright, just have to drink this vial of smoke and I'll know every woman he's ever - OH GOD MY EYES! GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD OF GOD WHY!!!"

>>5925770

>>5925612
Still have the best of it saved. And it would be better due to never having seen it before.

At clarity 0 you auto-lose the game, right?

>>5925799
"You might be able to get something at the Gobliln Market literally for a song - Sining the vendor a song, one that's then taken permanently from your memory, leaving you unable to distinguish any sensible words or notes whenever you hear that song again for the rest of your life."

You give up your memories of fapping to stuff, you'll never be able to fap to that stuff ever again.

>>5925840

Not so much that as your character is completely and utterly batshit. Think being constantly on brown acid, only your hallucinations can actually kill you.

On this topic, would some please reupload Swords at Dawn?

>>5925840
You go full blown psycho and turn NPC, yes. But it could be totaly worth it.

How much would you guys say a point of clarity would ctually be worth on the market, both for buying and selling?

>>5925876
Depends on which point. The higher ones are no big deal. The lower ones, each one is a huge deal.

>>5925873

http://www.mediafire.com/?zunymk3tytm

>>5923961
Any old day won't do. This is a good day, and it's a day that you wouldn't want to give up. This is artfag going to the Louvre day.
Plus, yeah, you're going to get fucked by the Gobbos if you try to rip them off.

>>5924684
OH GOD THAT'S FUCKING GREAT

>>5924755
That's what's so awesome about it. Even something as cheesy as this can be turned into a disturbing encounter.
>>5924865
OH GOD HNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Also this movie >>5924983 is surprisingly good.

Would it be possible for a character to sell their blindness? or their insanity? Or any 'negative' aspect? What would happen?

>>5925933

Really?

You think that would work?

"Hey, if you give me $50 I'll take that brand new car."

>>5925477
>Man, baby snatching is crazy lucrative in this setting.
Imagine that. Of course, it's also a Clarity Sin.
>>5925555
Goblin Pledge is a Merit in... I think Rites of Spring.
It lets you make Pledges with forces of nature. The example in the book is making a Pledge with the Night Sky. The Skitterskulk becomes practically invisible when hiding in the night, but has to go around shooting out street lights with a B-B gun.

I can see someone buying a lifetime's worth of blindness. Put it in a box, give it to a rival... sign it as from a secret admirer...

And then the blind guy could probably sell "A blindman's sight" or "the memory of the first sight of a man born blind"

>>5925943
You forget, this is Changeling. You could always trick that blindness onto someone else, or you could always use it on yourself, because you're sick of dealing with the world.
I wouldn't doubt if people would buy and sell blindness and sickness.

It'd be like a drug.
"Hey, buddy, you want some Sickness? Finest in the shop. This guy was practically at death's door. Lightheadedness, euphoria, the woiks."

"Tired of seeing this ugly, fucked up world? Buy some blindness, kid. Best purchase you'll ever make."

>>5924865

that's an interesting plot hook. A memory picked up at the goblin mart could have someone falling in love with another man's wife, or something similar.

a child starts calling a stranger 'daddy' or a memory could make an otherwise nice changeling hell-bent on revenge for a wrong that didn't actually happen to him.

But here's the real question. Can a mortal sell their humanity?

>>5925910
I give you my thanks.

Wrapped golden leaves and children's joy.

>>5926048
Why would they start calling someone else "Daddy"? It's the dad's memories, not the child's.

>>5926116
Maybe the kid got fed some fake memories.

So... the slaves in the goblin market... they're not changelings, right? Like, some are, but it seems implied that most of them are mortals... What do they think of all this shit? The one's in goblin markets outside the heddge especially, since they wind up seeing the mask. Do Gobs get masks?

>nWoD
Not a real setting, no one takes this seriously, who cares how you abuse it?

>>5926328
This is how I'm gonna handle a prologue to my next changeling game. A mortal runs afoul of a criminal slave ring. He insvestigates, but digs too deep and gets nabbed before being sold off to the gentry.

>>5926346
>nWoD
>setting

So I see you're retarded.

>>5924684
What this needs is a motivation for selling each day.
How about every day he buys a human slave, and frees it.

>>5926445
Every day he agonizes over the choice. He spent most of the day doing it. Some girl was flirting with him all day, and she seemed really nice. Everyone was really friendly and he had a great time... Its a memory he doesn't want to give up...
Maybe... maybe he'll just keep this one...
But then he looks on the mantle... and sees the smiling faces of all the men and women and children he's freed... and he looks down and reads the thank you note left by little jenny... and... and it just isn't fair...
"I'm sorry Marry. I think... I think I may love you too... though I've only known you for a day... but love is selfish... and this is something only I can do. Wait for me Marry... Maybe next time I'll remember you."
and with that he squares his shoulders, straightens out his ears, and steps through the rusted gates into the bustling crowd of the market.

>>5926445
>>5926568

I want to play this character.

Fuck I love changeling. Ok, so I'm trying to figure out what my character can reasonably sell. What value would you guys place on...

-The trust of a good friend
-Anything made of iron
-The secret to the ritual to make any door open into the local freehold's safehouse
-A sense of belonging in a new appartment
-A five dollar bill which has traded hands 555 times
-A working clock that doesnt tell the time
-A key with no door
-The wings of an ant
-A smell of cherry popcicle (as in, the character smells of popcicle and is willing to give that up)
-The ability to cook bacon perfectly.

Also, throw some of your own around. I'd like to be able to surprise my ST with original things to offer up for trade.

>>5926791
>-The trust of a good friend
••••
>-Anything made of iron
iunno? Would they even buy it? I'll say it depends on what you're selling.
>-The secret to the ritual to make any door open into the local freehold's safehouse
•••• And the wrath of the Summer Court you traitorous bastard.
>-A sense of belonging in a new appartment
••
>-A five dollar bill which has traded hands 555 times
•
••• for a 5 dollar bill that's changed hands 553 times. Then it becomes 555 when it's sold again.
Or something. Split the difference and say ••
>-A working clock that doesnt tell the time
•••
This kind of unusual thing is great.
>-A key with no door
•••
Very fae.
>-The wings of an ant
• Ants actually do have wings. Not all that interesting.
>-A smell of cherry popcicle (as in, the character smells of popcicle and is willing to give that up)
Why would you smell like Cherry Popsicle?
••
>-The ability to cook bacon perfectly.
••••• ••
Also, throw some of your own around. I'd like to be able to surprise my ST with original things to offer up for trade.

>>5926791

what to sell at the market...

a chronic pain
your first kiss
a moment of clarity
your first work of art
a bad habit
a craving
the personal secret your lover trusted you with
the bedbug that keeps biting you
the book you bought but never got around to reading
a bag of skin flakes
the spite you feel towards an enemy

Could you possible sell addiction?

How much would that be worth?

>>5926904
Depends on how good a salesman you are. Probably a 2 dot value, maybe a 3 if it's a powerful thing.
You could buy bad habbits to unleash on someone else. Such as... I dunno... gifting a rival with the bad habit of forgetting to lock the door when he leaves the house. That sort of thing.
I dunno about addiction, though that has a lot of potential. If the person genuinly enjoys what they are addicted to, I'd say 3 dots.

I'm reminded of the issue of Lucifer where an old shopkeeper gives his cancer( as well as the ability to say cursewords) as a gift to a newborn demon.

>>5926960
surely getting rid of something you don't want costs,
so sometimes, you wouldn't be able to sell it,
but you would be able to buy their services in taking your addiction off your hand.

>>5926991
I think the trick, then. Is convincing them what you do and do not want.

>>5926991
No. You can sell stuff like that, but it will come back to bite you in the ass, same as with selling anything else.

>>5927061
How could it possibly backfire?
As an ST, I'd like to know.

>>5923961

Going every day will dull the experience and the enjoyment you felt by going, and make the memory worth less at the market.

So what kind of bugs me is that chances are the goblin's asking price is gonna be something the characters don't have. Dreamfluff and all that. I'd hate to charge too many abstractions, but I know they're not just gonna have curios and things on 'em at all times.

This is all well and good, but Let's say I got value dots to spare. Nothing (specifically mentioned) in the book really appeals to me. Give me something incredable in the market to buy.

>>5927191
Welcome to my pet shop.
Can I interest you in a cat that will bring luck at gambling but beware if you make her cry.
Or are you looking for something more exotic?
Just this morning I found a mermaid, she seems somewhat peckish though.

>>5927316
Hell yes, I am stealing the shit out of that. Give me more.

>>5927384
Here, I have a file that may help. Its a guide on how to make custom Tokens, complete with the ability to accuratly estimate how many dots they are. http://drs.larp.com/documents/addenda/2009.06.08/Reset_Token_Guide.pdf
That should help you all populate the markets with some nice, high quality shit.

>>5927074
Whatever you were addicted to is still there.

>>5927536
How do you mean? You were addicted to crack, but now you have a bunch of crack lying around? How is that backfiring?

>>5927547
It's still in your body. You no longer want it. Your body still feels fucking awful without it. You go through withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying it's going to be worse than having it, necessarily, but it's certainly not going to be pleasant, and it may well interfere with gameplay more, at least until the withdrawal period ends. Be liberal with dice penalties, certainly.
And, of course, the changeling may still use again to get rid of the withdrawal. Then it's a whole 'nother cup of worms.

So I'm looking over the transformations part... how would the mask react to buying an extra pair of arms, you think?

I am unimpressed by the gewgaws in this book. Give me more, /tg/

>>5927384
You still haven't found what you were looking for?
Let me see what else I have to offer.
How about this adorable rabbit, her name's Alice. I must warn you to never feed her anything but fresh water and vegetables
Is she not to your liking?
I have this rare breed of sheep called Totetsu. They are somewhat picky about what they eat though.
Or are you looking for something cuter. I have these small creatures they are low maintenance. All you have to do is make sure you don't let them see light, don't let them touch water and never feed them after midnight.

>>5927316
>>5927715
These are what, 2-3 dot pets?

>>5927734
Cat would be two or three, mermaid is four, the rest are one.

>>5927715
>>I have these small creatures they are low maintenance. All you have to do is make sure you don't let them see light, don't let them touch water and never feed them after midnight.

That movie was awesome.

I'd imagine Mermaids would be value 6+ like unicorns or dragons, actually. though possibly cut in half for being undomesticated

>>5927778
Did somebody say "Plot Hook?"

How much is a 3 dollar bill worth?

>>5927781
Mermaids might not be valuable as pets but they are as ingredients, eating their intestines is said to give humans eternal youth.

>>5927860
one

Could'nt you theoretically just buy up one high value item (A dragon for instance) and then just harvest it's components? I mean, dragon scales and dragon venom and dragon eggs and dragon dung and all that stuff is probably worth something, right?

>>5927074
If the cost it'self isn't a burden, then either the purchased item is, or the person who bought creates one.

You sell off your addiction, and a rival buys it to use on a friend. Or the person who bought it only bought the addiction, without any of the drawbacks, so until you find them and get them to quit, you feel the withdrawl constantly.

Or maybe someone working for a food company buys the addiction, and makes it an ingredient for their new line of food - and because it's your addiction, you are the only one who can break the habit of hundreds of thousands of people.

Generally, selling something bad for you should probably result in you having to do the equivalent work of cleaning up the mess, and suffering the misfortune and then some.

Changeling, you are the best game ever.

>>5928357
This. This is what I'm talking about. You sound like my kind of ST, anon.

How does one upload something onto /rs/? does it just take a while? Why is this not up there yet?

>>5928357
A thousand times, yes.

I like the merits that basically let you be one of the merchants at the market with a stall and everything. It seems like it could make for a fun character.

>>5929485
I just wonder how much commitment would be required. Seems like it could eat up a lot of adventuring time.

Wonder if touhofag would be willing to crack a shot at minmaxing the ultimate goblin vendor changeling.

So what do most mortals sold as slaves think of the market? Are they all ensorceled or what?

>you are the only one who can break the habit of hundreds of thousands of people.

I love this concept. This is my next changeling game.

What would be the value of...
- A life unlived
- All memories of Arcadia
- A Fetch's Shadow

>>5930078
All memories of Arcadia would probably be countless dots, but it would probably also turn the victim into some sort of insane changeling monster.

>>5924684

I would allow this.

Unfortunately, it's painfully likely to become a story hook.

>>5930078

"Mem'ries of Arcadya, ya' sez? Fock 'em! I'm not sell'n air here ya' know! All your Tuesdays on the ovah hand? That's worf somfin ta' meh."

A hated memory of Aradia is a 4 dot value actually. All would probably be worth a ton, but leave you somewhat out of it...

>>5930393
Every tuesday?
Nay.
I'll give you THREE of them, hob.

>>5930665
How about you throw in your appreciation for contemporary jazz and we have a deal?

I'm willing to trade away all of my memories. 37 years worth. What do you offer me?

>>5930735
Done.

>>5930770

Congratulations, you have forgotten you ever made the trade and the dealer tells your amnesiac ass to fuck off. Or he sells you instead.

>>5930797

plot hook!

the game begins. You're standing in the goblin market. A goblin merchant says "and that concludes our transaction" before walking away.

you have no idea what he's talking about.

>>5930934
Oh my fucking god yes. This is the best way to start a campaign fucking ever.

>>5930797
Rules of the market, he's got to uphold his end of the bargain.

>>5931003

Oh, that makes it even better. So you'll wind up getting "gifts" from people that you don't know anything about, and being in the goblin market, it's not wise to accept things proffered to you lest they have a hidden price attached... and as long as you keep rejecting them, they'll keep coming... and coming... and coming...

I am offering my next changeling group 8 dots of value at char creation to spend at the market if they accept my offer of "come on... be an amnesiac... I'll make it worth your while..."

Bump for the night crowd

>>5924977
You don't go to college to learn stuff, you go to college to get credit.

>>5932134

This kind of thinking is part of the reason why our education system is failing...

>>5932134
So what, just give 'em some dots of the status merit?

>>5923961
Except that 50 pennies are inherently less valuable than 50 quarters. You have enough of those memories to trade, they're going to start asking you for something else after awhile.

>>5932370
If he keeps selling his memory each time though, they'll all be like freshly minted gold coins.
I like how you can use this system to creativly raise attributes and things in ways other than by spending experience. Really fits with the whole whimsical maeliability that is so Fae.

Alright /tg/ lets think up shit that isn't terribly unobtainable if you think about it, but seems pretty odd at first glance. If anyone wants to try and guess a price at these, be m guess.

-Hair of a bald man.
-All the black keys of a piano.
-The last leaf to ever fall from an oak tree.
-The boots of a dead man.
-Gun of a fallen soldier

>>5933207
Two across the board, though the piano could be one instead, it's borderline.

>>5933207
I'd rate them all as one. They're all curios, but nothing entirely out of the ordinary. Some might have some portentiusness to them, but they're not like, a vampires fang or a witch's broom or something like that.

>>5933207
All ones. Not that hard to get. If you are in the game you spot the baldies and get the hair early.

Thank you /tg/...

...so goddamn much.

>>5930934
Especially you.

Ok, I've decided that I'm gonna use the local Gob market to gather up ingredients for making hedgespun items.
My question is this: What are the values of such hedge-centric, useless-on-their-own items like a whisp of eternal smoke or a spider's web made entirly of dewdrops? Together I can assemble them into something powerful, so I don't think they'd be value 0, but at the same time it doesnt seem right to have them be value 1 or above.

>>5934566
One for each, more for the final product.

A pair of trainers sell for ten times more than the products used to make them.