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    117 KB Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:17 No.5881187  
    The Feywild is Alice in Wonderland, grimbright style.

    Does this sum it up well?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:18 No.5881191

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:20 No.5881201

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:20 No.5881208

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:21 No.5881211
    He might mean Brighthammer style.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:24 No.5881251
    Well, to explain grimbright...

    It's this land full of wonders, right? Beautiful forests, amazing creatures. Bright colors all around.

    But you have fomorians lurking underground, ready to enslave those who venture too far or too deep.

    That beautiful flower you see could just as well be a man-eating dryad.

    The lands are ruled by a court of fey, elves, eladrin, gnomes, etc, who are known to be fickle and hard to please, and the alternative to pleasing is likely death or worse.

    It's not quite a "twisted" landscape like American McGee's Alice, which is grimdark in comparison.

    It's more... grimbright.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:26 No.5881267

    So something like Lorwyn.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:27 No.5881277
    Yep. What were hoping to accomplish with this thread?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:27 No.5881282

    No, no, no, that's not what I meant at all.

    Brighthammer is NOBLEBRIGHT which misses the point entirely.

    Noblebright is where everything is FUCK YEAR and EVIL ALWAYS LOSES IN THE END MY FRIENDS and what have you.

    Conversely, Nobledark is where the universe seems to be closing in on you, but rather than things being impossible like 40k, the resistance movement DOES have a fighting chance, albeit with the loss of many lives. There are heroes, but it is not an easy fight to wage against everything - yet it is possible.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:31 No.5881312
    Ah, my bad.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:32 No.5881329
    I like this distinction.
    So, there's Grimdark, Noblebright, Nobledark, and Grimbright.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:33 No.5881332

    From that perspective, I'd say Cthulhutech or Eclipse Phase could be described as Nobledark.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:33 No.5881334
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:33 No.5881336
    /tg/ get shit done.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:34 No.5881341

    What's Grimbright like, then?
    >> Purple Man 09/16/09(Wed)05:34 No.5881343

    It seems so obvious in retrospect.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:34 No.5881344
    >Noblebright, Nobledark, and Grimbright.

    this is the most retarded shit I have ever heard in my life
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:35 No.5881352
    Do we really need to name this shit? Grimdark is bad enough as it is. I mean, it was never meant to be taken seriously... right?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:36 No.5881360
    The feywild is where fairy faggots come from.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:36 No.5881364
    ITT people think the term grimdark originated with 40k.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:37 No.5881367
    Uh... fuck you?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:38 No.5881383
    Grimbright is where everything looks cheerful and beautiful and exciting, but immediately below the surface contains danger and peril. It is a world that is both enticing and depressing, where anything is possible, but everything is ultimately futile.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:40 No.5881398
    Didn't it? Isn't GRIMDARK a mockery of how the 40K manuals intro always ends with "In the Grim Darkness of the far future, there is only War." ?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:41 No.5881405
    Dungeon Crawl is Nobledark.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:41 No.5881406
    Then yes, that's the Feywild, and Fey in general. Go have fun, now.
    >> Purple Man 09/16/09(Wed)05:41 No.5881407
    I don't think Grimbright is all that difficult a concept.

    Think of Changeling for nWoD. A fantastical world exist where the rules of nature don't apply and fairy tale creatures exist in abundance. Awesome right?

    No, everyone there is either a godly being, or a whipped and beaten slave of a god. Your existence there drains away your humanity until you have no choice but to live by its twisted since of 'normal'. All you ever want is to escape to a your own world, where fire burns, down is where you fall, and goblins don't roam the hedges.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:42 No.5881411
    Grim dark being a world in which everything is dull, shitty and intimidating, and everything is also futile? Sounds about right.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:42 No.5881416
    The aesthetics? No. The term? Yes.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:43 No.5881425
    It's the same word.
    Brightnoble is sort of like Paladins in Space. It's where good always wins, evil always loses (and is usually ugly and hates puppies) and every episode concludes with a strong moral lesson.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:01 No.5881612
    So what are BRIGHTDARK and NOBLEGRIM?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:02 No.5881617
    Read the thread and use your brain.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:04 No.5881634
    Wow, just what /tg/ needs, another alignment system.
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    This guy right here.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:05 No.5881654
    Can't stop the flow, bro!
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:07 No.5881676
    We could use two or three, actually. I suggest we design an alignment for fa/tg/uys Ranging from Troll to Useful, and from Neckbeard to Casual.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:08 No.5881689
    Menstrual flow?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:08 No.5881693

    Some people will be everything.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:10 No.5881709
    And there lies the brilliance; as we are all anonymous, we can only be classified at the moment of action.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:10 No.5881714
    I'd like to see that.
    Wait, maybe not.
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    Is Flapjack grimbright?

    I mean, everything is exciting and adventureous to him, but actually it's all rotten underneath.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:16 No.5881775
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:18 No.5881796
    Not really, but sure.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)06:19 No.5881817
    rolled 94 = 94


    Id says its more Brightgrim, you know the other way around. Since it appears all grundgy and terrible but really isn't.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:15 No.5882209
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    The tone alignment previcates on two things.

    First is the noblegrim axis, that determines the people of the setting. They can generally be good, in which case it is a noble setting, be of a more balanced nature, in which case it is a neutral setting, or they can generally be bad, in which case it is a grim setting. This will generally affect the extent to which people are willing to compromise their morality in response to pressure.

    The other axis is the darkbright axis, which determines the extent to which the place they live in sucks. A bright world is generally a very nice place, a neutral world is more balanced, and a dark world is one that is savage and hostile. This determines the pressure the people are placed under.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:17 No.5882237
    That is an alignment system I am actually willing to use...unlike D&D's mess.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:18 No.5882242
    Fukken saved. A new alignment was born this fair morn.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:22 No.5882272

    Noblebright first.

    Noblebright is the most pleasant of the alignments to live in. Not only is everything nice, but everyone is nice. Even when by rare happenstance somethign does happen to place the people under pressure they will not compromise their morals to solve it. Luckily for them the niceness of the world generally leads itself to another solution being found. Young children's shows are generally noblebright.

    Neutralbright worlds are reasonably nice places to live. The world is very nice, but the people there are less so. There are people capable of doing very unpleasant things, but they will not do them until pressed to by an unusual event. Neutralbright worlds are usually nice, and stay nice outside of problems, but near problems things get a good bit worse in response and reaction. Neutralbright is a rare setting, hard to find outside of political morality tales.

    Grimbright is when the world is nice, but the people in it are complete cunts. They're fine to get along with while everyone is perfect, but the moment things start going wrong, they kill the shit out fo each other. Or, they act like complete bastards to outsiders. The grimbright story is one where you have to be the bad guy to enjoy things, or hope they never notice you. It is the standard alignment of fae, faerie, whichever you want.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:28 No.5882332
    Noble Neutral takes place in a world where everyone is generally good, but the world could use some fixing. It is a common setting for light heroic fantasy, because there are many heroes, and the bad guys are simple, but the world itself still offers some challenge. It is a pretty nice place to live, right up there with neutralbright.

    Neutralboring is boring because we are here right now. Reality, unless you have some skewed or stupid view of it, is the standard. This alignment exists mostly to tell you how to choose a more appropriate one, because if we wanted to adventure in neutralboring we coudl just go outside. Common for people who are too lazy to build better worlds.

    Neutraldark is a pretty bad place to live. The world sucks, and the people don't seem to care all too much. This is not so much a dramatic setting as it is a nihilistic setting; the world sucks and nobody seems to care. It is the place for insignificant heroes who futilely rail against the publically-popular villains, and defeat them, only for another to rise just as soon after. It is a depressing setting, all up, and common for mundane (that is, not heroic) fantasy.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:35 No.5882417
    Nobledark is a very popular setting. The world is a truly horrible place, but through faith and fire it may be cleansed. The peopel of this world are generally good ,and will strive to fight against the darkness. They cannot beat it, but so long as they fight they hold it at bay, and earn another day of peace for the world. It is the most common setting for heroic fantasy.

    Neutralgrim is a nasty place. The world isn't very nice, but the people in it make it oh so much worse. It is a common setting for tragedy, because of the extent of the futility of any positive action. This is also the way misanthropists see the world.

    Grimdark, we already know, is the worst place to live. The world is utterly shit, and nearly everyone's a sociopathic jerk. There are no heroes, and those that try not only achieve nothing, but often make things worse, and are loathed by many. It is the most common setting for egregiously masturbatory villainwank fiction. However, it is also rarely used for exceptionally good heroic fantasy, by people who understand that light shines brightest in darkness.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:38 No.5882439
    Copied, pasted, saved under Dr. Baron von Evilsatan files.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:39 No.5882457
    why not use 'grey' instead of neutral, it has the connotations of moral ambiguity anyway and sounds more intresting than neutral.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:39 No.5882461
    What would Gensokyo be?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:41 No.5882474
    Grimbright., at a guess. It's fairly nice until someone fucks up, at which point all hell and blossomfire breaks loose.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:44 No.5882508
    bump for interesting
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:44 No.5882509

    Grey connotates too closely with grim.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:46 No.5882526
    This was a good thread. Things where accomplished. I also, have played a neutral grim setting. it was depressing.
    >> OP 09/16/09(Wed)07:46 No.5882530
    Just as planned.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)07:49 No.5882555
    Alright, let's test this. See if we can break it with a setting it can't sufficiently categorise.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:52 No.5882574
    The Bible
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:53 No.5882578
    Do World of Darkness, Exalted 1st and 2nd edition

    Dungeons and Dragons 1,2,3, and 4e

    Serenity RPG
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:54 No.5882584
    Nobledark. That was easy.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:54 No.5882591

    Transhuman Space
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:56 No.5882602
    Dr. Who
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:56 No.5882607
    Eclipse Phase is either Neutral Dark or Grimdark.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:58 No.5882612
    Neutral Bright verging on Grimbright. I haven't watched the show too closely.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:59 No.5882623

    . . . .

    Eclipse Phase and Transhuman Space are two (very) different setting.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:00 No.5882631

    grim bright.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:02 No.5882645
    Transhuman Space is a game? Sorry, didn't know. I thought you were just talking about the belief. Since I don't know it, you pick the alignment out.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)08:03 No.5882647

    WoD is mostly Neutraldark. The most dangerous things are fundamental components opf the world, and many of the things are pricks, but not everyone there is actively bad, some people are still fighting and doing some good, and most people don't actually care or know.

    Exalted I don't know that well. I'd call it neutralgrim, because the world itself isn't that bad, buteven the best people in it heedlessly destroy the little people as collateral damage, and the worst are utter arses.

    D&D doesn't have a coherent enough setting to work with.

    Serenity RPG is exactly the same as Firefly world? Neutralgrim. The outer worlds suffer and the core doesn't give a shit, the outer worlds don't care enough to improve their position, and everyone shits on the people one step lower than them on the ladder. The world coudl be much nicer if there weren't so many pricks.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:06 No.5882667

    The Culture.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:06 No.5882670
    DnD is Noblebright.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:07 No.5882678
    OT: Neutral Grim
    NT: Neutral Bright
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:07 No.5882680
    this shit, and all alignment systems, fail because people are not robots. even in the grimdarkest world there are still good people. to try and categorize all of human existence into 9 little boxes is silly.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:08 No.5882688
    holy shit this thread is so fucking gay
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)08:10 No.5882700

    It's not a human alignment system you smugglebum. It's a tone setting.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:10 No.5882706

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:11 No.5882708
    No sweeping generalizations for a setting? Next you'll be saying there are pretty man dwarves and elves aren't faggots.

    no u
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:12 No.5882718
    >No sweeping generalizations for a setting? Next you'll be saying there are pretty man dwarves and elves aren't faggots.

    Indeed. And why not?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:15 No.5882738
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:17 No.5882746
    As a rule of thumb, are you going to find a Dwarf that likes to shave and is tall and gets sick often and likes to use magic? No.

    This chart is just a rule of thumb.

    And they're fun. Why can't we have fun?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:19 No.5882758

    endless "stat me" threads and alignment posters are fun?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:21 No.5882772
    >As a rule of thumb, are you going to find a black person that likes to bathe and is smart and doesn't like chicken and obeys the law? No.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:23 No.5882782
    No, but this thread is fun. First time it's ever popped up. It's only a matter of time until it's spammed like everything else that was fun the first time (i.e. memes)

    And you still haven't refuted my point about generalizations.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)08:25 No.5882786

    Stop being a bublecunt. This is a TONE CHART. It is meant to provide the GENERAL TONE OF THE SETTING. This means that it PROVIDES THE BACKGROUND SO THAT THE STORY EVENTS CAN STAND OUT. I am going to KEEP POSTING PARTS IN CAPS UNTIL YOU ARE NO LONGER STUPID enough to require them.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:26 No.5882796
    You don't read much fantasy, do you? That shit is built on stereotypes.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:27 No.5882799
    Good luck with that.

    Hey, are you in the market for evil minions?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:27 No.5882804
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    This is you BBMG
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)08:31 No.5882827
    Fuck you American Mcgee. Fuck you and going under.

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)10:26 No.5883574

    Do FATAL.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:09 No.5884725
    >> Movie Theater Girl 09/16/09(Wed)13:27 No.5884955
    Grimdark. All the men are rapists, the women are whores, society barely holds together, and there's a spell that'll probably end the world when some bumfuck apprentice screws up and casts it by accident.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:31 No.5885012
    Grimbright: Melniboné before it fell, Ulthuan before the sundering, the Continuum

    Nobledark: Earthdawn
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:37 No.5885081
    I would've thought neutral dark, since it isn't really Grim.
    To me, Grim implies human struggle.
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:53 No.5885240
    Unified Setting? Parts of it fit different parts of this. Lindwurm is neutraldark. Vilous is mostly neutralgrim. The humans re almost entirely neutralboring, by these standards, since they're focused on other shit. I don't think that this tone is actually inherently boring. The Sidhe are neutralbright, I'd say the Wila are neutralboring, but again with the caveat that they'e not really boring. Dunno how 'd classify anything on Everoc.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:53 No.5885242
    Someone mentioned a collection of Dr. Baron Von Evilsatan's stuff? I'm interested.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:01 No.5885300
    Nobledark sounds like a delicious chocolate.
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:07 No.5885368
    Same here. I just have the awesome map thing.
    The Dr. is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:09 No.5885386
    Mmmmmmmm death by Nobledark Chocolate ice cream.

    I know, right?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:11 No.5885403
    So grimbright is basically "The prisoners can choose to skip through the meadow of sunshine and rainbows or be fed to the demons of hell." ?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:14 No.5885425
    >demons of eternal happy candy smiles
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:15 No.5885435

    More like... "Let the prisoner skip in the meadows."

    And then the bright, sunlit meadows with beautiful flowers turn out to be infested by flesh eating beetles.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:22 No.5885507
    I like the world alignment setting. Cept neutral setting being considered boring. I mean some settings work perfectly for that where everyone is neutral.

    and lets see my attempt at putting in something that doesnt fit.

    Star Wars (expanded universe as well)

    Prolly Noble Neutral or Noble Dark.... most people are generally good or evil (nothing else) and based on the era its different degrees of bad (the best being Old Republic and the worst being during the Yuuzong Vong invasion or The Rise of the Empire)
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:32 No.5885591
    Oz was Grimbright as fuck.
    >> Golden Neckbeard !!MA40nsGlj/I 09/16/09(Wed)14:55 No.5885762
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    The following passage from tvtropes.org is essential for an understanding of the Feywild or the medieval legends it's based from:

    >In a manner of speaking, the old version of the Faerie has been replaced with "Alien Abduction." In both cases, you have creatures who are ineffable and don't understand humanity, who randomly abduct humans, play with them, and return them with "Time Loss" and occasionally strange powers/afflictions. Periodically, there are tales of those who have dealt with them and benefited, but for the most part, mundanes are merely their playthings.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)16:45 No.5886968

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