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    338 KB Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:17 No.5870863  
    So /tg/, in a pokemon related thread a while back it came up that their world is a grimdark post-war setting. I have since spent an entire day with someone who spent all their classes playing crystal on emulator, and he was unable to find anything that didn't actively support this theory, let alone disprove it. Now I am currently working on this with a view to possibly developing a grimdark pokemon setting that I would figure out a system to use for later, that would be UTTERLY IN KEEPING with things that the player personally experiences in Gold/Silver. However, out of the earshot of the many people who have tried and failed to find a hole in this theory, I have myself thought of two items I cannot explain in the context. Just to establish what has been clarified so far:

    The war was fought with a combination of conventional weapons, and towards the end, mainly engineered biological weapons (Pokemon) as since they effectively self manufacture and self propel they were useful, as well as being resistant to EMP attacks...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:19 No.5870869
    In the aftermath, almost all the conventional forces, in the Kanto and Joyto regions at least, were left destroyed. All major settlements in the area were destroyed (Ever wondered why even the various "cities" are still only really small settlements with a few 2+ storey buildings, but by contrast there seem to be rubble piles EVERYWHERE, and indeed sometimes by the way the game map is arranged these rubble piles are larger than most settlements).

    With the natural ecosystem all but wiped out by the war, the same bio-engineering groups that produced the pokemon of war attempted to create simplified ecosystems that could support humanity, however competition in the wild from the remaining, and in some cases still breeding, bio-weapon pokemon meant that they simply couldn't survive. And so, even the most docile herbivores had to be equipped with a method to fight off or at least harm attacking pokemon, this why there are no inherently non-combat pokemon. Magnemite, Electrode and company are prewar utility drones, this is why you find only a scarce few of them in the wild in proportion to the number used by tech savvy trainers...
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:19 No.5870872
    As the world no longer appears to have the industrial base that would be required to produce some of the advanced tech they have like Teleporters etc. my guess is that they subsist on a finite quantity of remnant technology from the pre-war era (Hell, they had to salvage a prewar generator just to run the bullet train). This is why children have to be thrown out at age 12, there is only so much vat grown food to go around, and trainers can fend for themselves.

    How you may ask? Its not like they are ever depicted eating anything in the wilds... I say this: You know all those Rattata you fought? How they "fainted" at the end of the battle? And never came back again? It's because right after they passed out, the trainer pulls out his knife, finishes it with a slash across the neck, and roasts it over an open fire. Even trainers need to eat, and fucked if theres enough berries to go around.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:20 No.5870879
    You'll also note the population distribution of pokemon follows a post war curve. You can say surely not, but I guarantee if you go and actually check, 70% of the population is under age 25.

    Also, Psychics: Clearly just an application of the whole genetic engineering thing, to humans in some cases. This is also the vast majority of all of the legitimately psychic characters are at the same age, they were produced as a "batch" after the prototypes proved successful.

    Anyway, my problem: Ghost Pokemon, and the fact that fossil pokemon (Which I had originally fluffed as being ACTUAL DINOSAURS) naturally learn some of the more unnatural pokemon moves such as Hyperbeam, which makes sense on pokemon like Dragonair that are clearly living siege weapons, but not so much on a natural creature. I can't explain these two things in accordance with the theory. Pretty much everything else, yes. Also I'm assigning canon priority to the games rather than the animated series.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:25 No.5870912
    So yeah, I'm willing to answer questions on other parts I haven't elaborated on, this is just a summary, but those last two questions I just cannot think of a satisfactory solution and I'm hoping to have this sorted before one of the people I talked about this with IRL figure one out.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:26 No.5870927
    I got it.

    Ghosts were designed to be saboteurs. They can phase through matter into the heart of an enemy base and assassinate/sabotage stuff.

    Fossils *were* actual creatures but the process by which they bring them back to life alters their DNA to that like one of the weapons, allowing them to fight and learn various exotic techniques.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:28 No.5870937
    >You know all those Rattata you fought? How they "fainted" at the end of the battle? And never came back again? It's because right after they passed out, the trainer pulls out his knife, finishes it with a slash across the neck, and roasts it over an open fire. Even trainers need to eat, and fucked if theres enough berries to go around.

    I hated those prics so much. This is actually what I aways imagined myself doing to those fuckers
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:31 No.5870959
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    >Fossils *were* actual creatures but the process by which they bring them back to life alters their DNA to that like one of the weapons, allowing them to fight and learn various exotic techniques.

    Took teh words from my keyboard

    To OP. The whole idea seems promissing. I haven't been this excited about pokemon since I was, what? 12?

    Fuck yeah! Pokemon wars!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:32 No.5870970
    I guess the purpose of the ghosts certainly makes sense, although I'm a little ambivalent as to the actual mechanics of such a process. I mean in terms of tech level I am accepting that some of these pokemon have organic fusion reactors inside of them, but thats pretty much tops, I COULD call ghost pokemon nanite swarms but "lol nanomachines" just seems a little too easy and it also doesn't explain why they coalesce into a form designed to be just anthropomorphic enough to freak people out.

    Also, good on with the fossils, the ressurection device could be a piece of prewar tech they don't fully understand, IE it incorporates the energy weapon genes into their DNA along with the genetic alterations needed for general survival IE different atmosphere composition, more evolved microfauna.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:33 No.5870976
    Given that we already have psychic phenomena, and we're willing to just accept that, is there any reason the Ghost Pokemon can't just be Ghost Pokemon? The psychic mental imprint of a creature whose entire life revolved around violence?

    Or maybe they're all zombies.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:41 No.5871025
    I say ghost pokemon could be plain organic pokemon, that have phase-shifting capabilities.

    I mean, if we have lazer spiting creatures, why not extra-dimensional creatures?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:44 No.5871043
    As much as you've all done to logic out how G/S regions are post-war grassy scavenging grounds, you've neglected one point:

    Is /tg/ a bad enough dude to make a massive Pokemon / BESM Cute and Fuzzy Seizure Monsters P&P setting to make this more obvious? I've been trying to make a BESM Pokemon rip-off that is either GRIMDARK40K, HP Lovecraft, or some morbid supernatural monstrosity in its own right. Plus I don't feel like fleshing out 150 of the little fuckers since I can't draw to save my ass. I also heard Pokethulhu was meh at best.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:49 No.5871091
    Ghost pokémon are hallucinogenic manifestations created to disrupt enemy forces. Effectively they're holographic AI entities. You can fluff out some story about 'the' enemy still have underground running laboratories which are now unmanned and unknown. The machines still whirling as they project these false pokémon from great distances.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:50 No.5871100
    I rather like this explanation. Malevolent AI's running around in hologram form scaring people. How do you catch them then though?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:53 No.5871112

    Come to think of it, what's the deal with Pokeballs?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)11:55 No.5871126
    Devices designed to store specific (IE: ones that have been trained) weapons until deployment. Everyone needs silos for their missiles, and racks for their guns after all.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:00 No.5871155

    Kinda hard to transport some of the largest Pokemon bio-weapons to and from each battle. Imagine them a little like bombs; get a dozen Scythers, convert them into a non-physical energy pattern stored within the ball, then drop those balls onto a set of dug-in enemy trenches from an aircraft. The balls spring open when they hit the ground, and that enemy position has to deal with a dozen scythe-armed killers rampaging through their lines.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:02 No.5871172
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    A pokeball would form a link between the creature assigned to it, and it's bearer.
    One has to be holding it to give orders to theys pokemons.

    Also, in pre-war times, different species were rated in a periculosity level. So that only trainers with the wright qualifications (a security device in the form of a badge) could control the bigger guns.
    Nowadays, that single fact is forgotten, and those badges are still produced, and given away to traners that can prove theyr valor in ranked battles against gym leaders.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:05 No.5871188
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    fuck, i misspelled a fuckload of shit there.

    Read before submitting kids, never forget

    also, wrong pic
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:07 No.5871203
    OP here, my understanding for Pokeballs was a convienient storage method (I mean Charizard in the palm of your hand) that also resets the inbuilt IFF (Also genetically engineered into them) of any pokemon placed within it. Inorganic drones like Magnemite, for the purposes of ease of use, were also made compatible with this.

    During the war, the codes neccessary to allow a pokemon to be captured by the Pokeball of the relevant faction were closely guarded secrets, however in the aftermath of the war, surviving remnants of each faction have shared their "silo codes" as it were so that they can all capture pokemon that were manufactured by the opposing faction/s.

    In theory a person could be imprisoned inside a Pokeball but it wouldn't make them fight for the owner of the ball as they are a product of natural evolution.
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    You are the shit
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:09 No.5871219
    Well, right off the bat I can think of a cool story of ghost Pokemon.
    What better purpose would it serve as other then a spy. They might be creatures who's genetic code allows them to hyper-excelerate their molecules to become a gas consistency.
    Fossils could be like genetically printed discs left over from pre-war that had the data for the genetic code of the Pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:10 No.5871223
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    Have you thought of anything for Legendary Pokemon? Are they Superweapons? Siege Weapons?

    All this talks of weapons makes me want a Machine Type. It's be given to ones that are "human-made", like motorbike pokemon, security drones and such.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:14 No.5871245
    bump for awesome
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:18 No.5871275
    So steel types are just plain machines then?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:19 No.5871278
    Op again.
    Yes, I have thought of Legendaries. Legendaries were weaponised creatures deemed too powerful to be given the ability to reproduce by themselves. They would be produced on a one by one basis in the production vats of the relevant faction. However, due to their status as a high combat asset they also have no inbuilt senscence stage, IE they are unaging after they reach full size. It isn't necessarily CERTAIN they are one of a kind, but they were produced only in small quantities and due to their high combat priority almost all were killed in the war.

    Certain legendary pokemon have similar or complementary roles, which has given them their respective relationships with each other. Hoho and Luigia for instance, were manufactured by opposing factions as a general purpose heavy air units, and as such were programmed with an instinctive hatred of one another. Hoho was from the faction native to Kanto and Johto, hence why it was revered: Propaganda posters in the ruins still depict it like the iconic B-52 and the like.

    Suicine and Kin were a set of complementary pokemon, designed to operate for extended periods behind enemy lines, rotating between each other and attacking wherever each would respectively do more damage. This is also why they have comparably higher intelligence.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:23 No.5871302
    In most instances yes, in other instances its simply a matter of a regular pokemon having its carapace DNA altered to excrete metal over the top of whatever rocklike or chitinous shell they have already. The "metal coat item" accomplishes this effect. However it only works on certain complementary pokemon. In the vast majority it fails to have an effect, or worse, results in death.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:23 No.5871303

    Not quite. Steelix would not be a Machine type, because it evolves from Onix and so it has hardened skin (siege role, obviously). Voltorb would be a good contender for a Machine type, as it was discovered in a Poke Ball factory - possibly an accidental creation.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:25 No.5871322
    In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium,
    you've gotta catch 'em all!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:31 No.5871358
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    This thread reminds me of this series. It was basically a Pokemon rip-off with a storyline along the lines of this thread. Ancient high-tech civilisation uses advanced bio-engineering to create "pets" then some kind of world war breaks out and the pets get modified into bio-weapons. After the war is over the technology is lost, and people just breed the things instead.

    Supposedly it's also based on video games, but not having played them I can't speak for their quality. The show on the other hand I know to be crap.
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    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:36 No.5871399
    god I loved that series,
    crap we're redundant
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    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:49 No.5871475
    OP: Alt art is fine too, but I've already seen most of this and I would prefer conversation contribution along with it.

    Noticed how there is a disproportionate number of scientists among the adult male population? Almost all the other men went off to war, got killed. A few of the trainers are veterans themselves, and some avoided the draft by joining up with underground groups such as the precursor to Team Rocket. In exchange for serving Giovanni in a life of petty crime, they were kept safe from the horrors of war. The scientists meanwhile, were kept safe in government bunkers while they devised ways of making pokemon deadlier, or easier to handle, and indeed in the latter days of the war, how to repair the devastated biosphere of the world.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:51 No.5871492

    This might actually explain why much of Team Rocket seems kinda incompetent. Their hearts just aren't in it. They toe the line enough so their Boss doesn't crack down on them, but really, they don't much care for his schemes and plans. If it comes to seriously risking themselves, they'll bug or surrender at the first opportunity.
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    haunter was black ops
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:57 No.5871539
    You grimdark pokemon all you like, the truth is that pokemon is the world that would have occured had animals been sentient. They would have pricked human consciousness to develop along a path that wasn't ruthlessly expoitative of the environment or resources. The pokemon journey is a coming of age ritual designed to strengthen this human bond with nature.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:58 No.5871548
    This actually seems to be pretty explicitly supported by canon. I mean in the cartoon/movies, every once and a while you'll get episodes that depict 'ancient' peoples using pokemon as weapons, etc.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:59 No.5871556

    Yes, but that's nowhere near as interesting.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:59 No.5871561
    Why don't the Pokemon annihilate humans outright?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)12:59 No.5871564
    Lt. Surge mentions a war, but nobody else does. There are a few people older than him in the pokemon world - Oak, Elm, Blaine, Pryce, numerous un-named gamblers and gentlemen - but they don't mention the war at all.

    Any ideas on what happened there? A very localised war?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:01 No.5871576
    Best solutions for ghost type.
    OP, give yourself a name for the purpose of the thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:01 No.5871579
    Perhaps something crazy went down (probably legendary Pokemon related) that fucked up everyone's memories and or data storage units. Big-O style.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:01 No.5871585
    They weren't in the thick of it, so they just want to forget all about it; let the past be the past and travel on into the GLORIOUS FUTURE! Lt. Surge wants everyone to remember what happened because he watched friends die.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:02 No.5871592

    People are trying to move on. They don't want to think about the past, they're more concerned with trying to re-establish their lives and civilisation. While there are a few people who still talk about the war (probably the sort who post on the Pokemon equivalent of /k/), most just don't like it being brought up.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:03 No.5871603
    Eh, some of this doesn't work.

    Most of the stuff described works on the games as fact, despite technical limitations. There has to be at least a fundamental level of suspension of disbelief.

    To be honest, you'd probably be better looking at things vaguely alluded to in the games for history, and use the wider world as portrayed in the other mediums, like the Special manga or the animé with sopme discretion. I mean, even if you had atrocious wars, you wouldn't slaughter everyone. And it wouldn't be hard to speak with survivors in the slightest. You can't cover up something of that magnitude.

    I mentioned the animé and the Special manga. Okay, I think the whole "POKÉMON ARE FRIENDS, NOT FOOD" and the power of love and all that shit is fairly twee, and I don't think animals - even enhanced animals like Pokémon are - sould be capable of that level of sentience. But I can see them as tools - as a primitive food source, and then domesticated for farming and hunting. From there, applications in military power and war, so that instead of knights mounted on horses, they'd be mounted on... well, dodrios. And assuming that the history is on a similar sort of timeline to ours, then have them involved in trench warfare and desert campaigns through the 20th century, and you could justify most of the advancements in technology as military-based, first and foremosed, to improve the connection between workman and tool, as it were, and then declassified and released to civillians. Some used them for companions, others used them for protection and eventually a culture developed that ran pokémon in competitions against each other for FABULOUS PRIZES. I'd say there's a lot more to the world than just Pokémon, but since you don't really want to play a game where the titular species and subspecies are a background to Your Day In Marketing, you can understand the scope.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:04 No.5871615
    How often to you bring up Vietnam or the Korean war in conversation? The Iraq war is going on RIGHT NOW and it still hardly comes up in conversation, let alone with a complete stranger.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:04 No.5871616
    That being said, forty years from the present time in the Pokémon universe the technology was a lot simpler - evidenty someone must be developing new Pokéball technology, and even this is evident in the games - you have Silph and Devon companies, and Team Rocket, each working in their own R and D fields. Not to mention a whole rota of biologists and biotechnicians working on the medical care of this.

    And in two years between first and second generation, you have to account for a volcanic eruption and the "colonisation" of Seafoam Island. Things aren't static, and given the reasonably modern and slightly futuristic technology of the setting you can take some liberties there.

    I know this isn't what you wanted, but I've always wondered what a more true-to-reality pokémon world would be like.

    And I'm the fag that wrote about Pokérus a few days back, if you remember that. I guess most of the stuff I've just written is both part of and an extention to that.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:07 No.5871635
    Mutually beneficial arrangements.

    The Pokémon can grow stronger with the benefits of homan intelligence, and over time this imprints to a certain extent, rather like when we domesticated dogs. And they get better food and training, and we get companions and effective tools. Win-win.

    I daresay that if the Pokémon had eradicated humans, then their growth would have been stagnated because of how important trainers seem to be.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:07 No.5871639

    Wow, those are some awesome ideas. I have a few.

    Groundon and Kyorge were prototype super-siege units - Groudon could starve defenders by causing desert-like conditions and just smashing things, whilst Kyogre could flood and destroy. They were made by opposing factions, like Lugia and Ho-oh, but the factions lost control. In desperation, they built Rayquaza, which could control them via mind waves.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:09 No.5871663
    OP: Exactly. Surge is one of the few people to actually return from the front. Unlike veterans of modern wars he doesn't even have that many fellow vet's to talk to about what happened. Those, like the scientists, who were off the front lines don't have such vivid memories of what happened, they don't want to remember it, and indeed, they don't want to think about the exact degree to which they may have been personally responsible for what happened in the war as a result of their contributions to it. And the degree to which their choice to stay off the front was fueled by cowardice.

    Lt. Surge is desperately fighting to stop people from forgetting the war, if they do, the memories that haunt his every waking moment will become meaningless to other people. He will become alone in the world, with NOONE able to understand what he's been through.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:10 No.5871672
    Goddammit I love you /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:10 No.5871674
    Explain the Diamond and Pearl legendary pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:11 No.5871678
    What about Mew and Arceus, though? Or Celebi? Mewtwo was quite explicitly designed as a weapon, but what about the comparatively carefree Mew? And Celebi supposedly has the power to move through time. Hell, Dialga and Palkia supposedly control time and space respectively.

    I would have put down certain legendary pokémon like that as extremely rare or extinct, only having them crop up in legends and stories. I don't think all of them would have been designed as weapons, unless every pokémon was a weapon. Which would be just a little too grim.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:12 No.5871701
    Actually, thinking about that I remember someone posting a fairly arbitrary crationism myth based on Arceus and Mew being effectively the creators, or something, and having the whole thing arbitrary and not naming names. That was a creative piece of writefaggotry, I thought, but I didn't save it and I have no idea what to look for.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:20 No.5871799
    Here's what happened:

    Different militaries were working to create super-soldiers. They had some success in doing so, then ran into a problem:
    Sentient human beings don't always obey you. It would be better to use trained animals, drones, or something else that obeys you unquestioningly.
    Thus, the militaries devised a way to engineeer a biological creature for use in warfare, and a way to control said creature.
    They tied the creature's control to the possession of Badges signifying military rank; lower-ranked soldiers couldn't cause a coup, as they had only access to the weaker biological warfare units.
    Elsewhere, Teleportation technology was being developed. This serves as the basis for long-range matter manipulation and generic physics buggery (Psychic/Ghost types).
    Teleportation tech was reliable - pretty much anything could be transmitted, or even STORED for long periods of time. The implications of the latter meant that PEOPLE could be stored indefinately, or murdered corpses could be lost on the dumping ground that is the internet. Safeguards were placed on public terminals to prevent Human Beings from using them.
    The combination of Item storage, Forced creature command, and the Biologicals themselves naturally resulted in a small device for transport and command of the Biologicals - the PokeBall (though it was not originally called that).
    The ability to STORE data inevitably meant the ability to RESTORE data, and so, the Biological Healing Facility was invented to effectively Rollback the damage dealt to a biological's body.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:21 No.5871807
    The schematics, knowledge, and materials needed to make most of these devices have been lost and forgotten, but working examples of them continue to be used:
    Biological Restoration Devices are moved to Pokemon centres.
    Item transportation devices are the rare Public PC terminals, also at Pokemon centres.
    The Biologicals themselves - although they self-replicate, it is impossible to create any new types. (Mewtwo was created using recovered technology that lacked the necessary tools to Prevent Sentience. Shit, obviously, hit the fan, when rocket lackies didn't know how to manage their own machines).

    Some devices for massproduction remain - those that create Pokeballs and items commonly found in shops have been recovered. Although they will eventually break down, for now, pokeballs and potions are plentiful.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:23 No.5871833
    OP again: Holding off using the Anime and Manga as preferred sources simply because they add additional fluff for a utopia, AND they depict humans getting along famously with pokemon, which seem to ALL be sentient. Simply because they are built off these concepts, I'd prefer to avoid even the factors brought up that are unrelated to my qualms. At least this way I can perfectly fit ONE instance of the source material. If it fits the rest, good, if it doesn't, too bad.

    >>5871603 Is just going in a completely different direction. Not saying its bad, just is utterly unrelated.

    >>5871678 Diamond and Pearl I begin to have trouble I confess, however I think I can still do the Legendaries at least: Given their ability to timetravel, they are the end result of a kind of pokemon technological singularity. It could take millions of years but EVENTUALLY they will be produced, and if they will ever be produced, then the exist throughout all of time. Same with Celebi. Their intellects are also appropriately increased as well, and they dance to their own tune, despite carrying vestiges of previous pokemon developments such as the shrivelled remains of a pokeball interface brain region.

    Mew was a prototype of Mewtwo. It lacked the aggression programming present in the latter as they wanted to get a better understanding of its Psychic capability prior to creating a combat ready model, when it could potentially destroy the entire testing facility and escape.

    And yes, it is my intent that, with only a few exceptions, all pokemon are artificially engineered. Not as weapons mind you, as I mentioned earlier, some simply have attacks so that they can survive in a world inhabited by the more deadly types, and are just there to provide a biodiverse ecosystem.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:29 No.5871890
    It's quite likely Arceus was the prototype Biological - it was given sentience, but without any tangible goals, and it mostly just exists without doing anything.
    Mew was another prototype - this one was designed to be modular, and to be used as a Base for creating other pokemon. Scientists knew a lot more about the Base they were building on than an old and previously forgotten project, so they just assumed Mew was the Original pokemon (hence Pokedex conflict).
    Celebi, likewise, was the prototype for Time-related dickery. That's why Celebi wasn't weaponised or developed for combat, and was given a placid personality - even if it isn't sentient, something that can travel through time could fuck things up in ways unimaginable if it were ever to be left without a trainer, and still had the desire to fight things.

    Dialga and Palkia, however, I can't explain. I'm thinking "Guardians" built as a Backup/Failsafe/Last line of defense to people dicking around with Space and Time.
    This supposes Space and Time pokemon were being developed, but they aren't common now. Perhaps they were mostly obliterated as #1 potential threats in any conflict?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:38 No.5872004
    That suggests there's an Entropy pokemon, or Reset pokemon, designed to devour/consume/absorb all Engineered Biological Life, then destroy itself.
    If you're gonna have failsafes agaisnt Space and Time, then there's gonna be a failsafe against Pokemon themselves.

    Obviously, this pokemon was not used by the losing side of any conflict, nor by any peace activists; perhaps its behaviour wasn't programmed properly, or perhaps there simply wasn't anyone surviving with a high enough clearance to command it.

    But if Pokemon are designed, then someone somewhere will have designed and built the pokemon equivalent of Cthulhu. Even if Cthulhu wasn't successfully commanded to end all pokemon, he EXISTS, and he also has at least a basic instinct to end all pokemon, as that's what he was designed to do.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:40 No.5872025
    Yeah, I acknowledged that in >>5871616. Just kept writing, I guess. Wish I could do that elsewhere, but frankly it's hard to find so many varied discussions based on settings.

    In response to earlier stuff, though, I would have thought telepaths, psychokineticists and other practitioners of psychic powers would have been developed after the manufacture of psychic pokémon. You know, as a sort of "oh, fuck, therse are too smart. Shit, keep 'em doped and we'll see if we can't control them on their own terms." Although that there is getting into slightly animé territory, but I don't know if it was explicitly mentioned in the games that good psychic-type trainers were good psychics too. I know it was in the animé, but there you go.

    And in regards to space and time control... what if causality basically dicked them out of it? Given that your universe has (or rather had) some form of advanced technology (especially with space, given the teleportation) - what if those pokémon were just those applied to breaking point? As a failsafe they wipe themselves out of existence rather than large swarthes of the planet, or something.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:41 No.5872034
    how the fuck did you turn pokemon into evangelion?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:43 No.5872057
    So in 5thgen we're going to be searching the very 1st pokemon laboratory (now long-lost) for the ANCIENTBADGE, so we can find and capture Poke-cthulhu?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:45 No.5872068
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:45 No.5872071
    I don't know... you'd need a failsafe against the failsafe.

    Probably more effective just to take a bullet (or a cannon shell as the case may be) to them. I mean, how powerful can your squadron of attack charizards be? Just 'round 'em up and gas or shoot them.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:46 No.5872082
    Everything japanese is either Rice or Evangelion.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:47 No.5872088
    You do realize that you just made a valid argument for having the Tarrasque exist in this game, don't you?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)13:48 No.5872096
    Ghost/Dark type legendary. 3 immunities no weaknesses, all base stats at 150. Shit's gonna be so cash.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)13:49 No.5872111
    OP (CBF thinking of something other than my iron quest name): It amuses me how there seems to be a poster who throughout the thread has responded to the same post, with almost the same answer, just fractionally after I do.


    Anyways, more random fluff, I really would like someone to come up with a BETTER implementation of ghost pokemon but I guess the current ones will suffice.
    As is seem in the reclamation of prewar facilities like the power plant and the magrail, there IS hope that the region can pull itself out of technological stagnation, currently at least people understand the tech well enough that they know how to fix it the majority of the time. Indeed, in some cases the reclamation of war-era research facilities has allowed for minor advancements in some fields, and occasionally habitat modules are recovered, allowing the construction of new settlements.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)13:57 No.5872172
    However, the factories that once produced the parts for these advanced devices are now all lost or destroyed. There is an ever present fear that one day the last machine will break, and there will be no replacement parts left. This provides another impetus for the trainer program: It is vital that a portion of the population knows how to survive away from vat grown food and the safety that walls provide from wild pokemon.

    Gym Trainers are older volunteers who believe they contribute something to the almost spiritual journey associated with the struggle for survival that trainers face, ensuring they embody the neccessary virtues, pokemon training skill, and tactical thinking to recieve their badge, each one of which deactivates particular softcoded limits of their pokeballs.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)14:04 No.5872244
    Among the parents of those who leave on their journey, there is only grim acceptance. The mostly intact communications network allows them to remain in touch every step of the way, but physical accompanyment is forbidden; This is why many parents choose to start their children using pokemon early, to ensure they are ready when the journey begins. With this in mind there is every possibility that one day their child will encounter something in the tall grass beyond their ability, and will simply cease to answer the phone. Present too, is the possibility that they will be lured by the opportunities for a trainer along the way, from the nefarious temptation of the crime syndicates to an offer of a permanent position in a Pokemon Gym, both of which leave the trainer unlikely to ever set foot in their hometown again.

    To those who complete the challenge and return home, they are heroes, ones who have paid a greater price for their citizenship than any scientist, engineer or factory worker from the war. They are given their residence, and their ration, and they may indeed live the rest of their lives there, but for most, the call of the road is too great.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)14:08 No.5872286
    Anyways, with that, and the accompanying silence from others I'll call it a night. I mean hey, maybe this thread will gain a life of its own and become Archiveworthy, but I won't be surprised if this has 404'd by my next chance to check on it.

    Also some of the more depressing aspects saddened me while I was writing them myself. Don't want to have to cry myself to sleep or anything. Night /tg/!
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)14:13 No.5872338
    Try not to have nightmares about there being a Tarrasque/Entropy/Cthulhu/Reset type pokemon engineered as a big "Oh shit" button to consume, then annihilate, all pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)14:13 No.5872342
    Psychics are obviously unnatural phenomena for which we have no rational explanation. Ghosts are the same. So why not link the two? Ghost types are the psychic imprint psychic pokemon and people leave behind when they die, twisted and warped by the experience. The reason ghosts take humanoid forms is because that vague form is the preconception of form that psychic had in life. Also, ghosts become more humanoid as they evolve - this is because their ability to control their forms becomes stronger.

    This also fits with the effects of ghost type - they're super efective against psychics because they're floating balls of psychic suffering and weak to dark because psychic is weak to dark as well.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)14:17 No.5872375
    That's what Giratina is. It's pretty much made of antimatter, so it fits the bill.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)14:40 No.5872596
    I think ghost types should be the echo of powerful psychic pokemon that has long since died. It helps to explain their predation upon living psychic pokemon, like Alma in F.E.A.R. they're driven to madness and insane jealousy, and a desire to somehow consume living psychics.
    >> Lini 09/15/09(Tue)16:51 No.5873730
    Somebody actually remembers my creation myth. Lemme dig it up real quick...

    In the beginning, there was nothing. And there was God. God then decided to create Matter. It did so, and was pleased with the results. Then God decided to create Time. Again, it did so and was pleased with time, but while its attention was away, Matter began to suffer and wither. God then concentrated on repairing matter, but in doing so Time began to suffer. To solve this problem, God manifested an avatar of each to take care of their respective realms. While doing so, God was not able to concentrate on either, and so a third being was created- that of Death. Matter then decided to diversify itself, and having learned from the mistakes of its creator, created three beings to assist it in its endeavor- Water, Earth, and Sky. Time, not wanting to be outdone by its sibling, decided to create entities that could feel the passage of time, and created three beings of its own to help it- Knowledge, Emotion, and Will.
    >> Lini 09/15/09(Tue)16:52 No.5873739
    Death, jealous of its siblings’ accomplishments, also created a being- the Destroyer. Time and Matter were appalled at this new creation, but could not directly interfere with it due to the nature of their own creation and Death's. Instead, they tell their children to create warriors to fight off the destroyer. Water, Ground, and Sky create four beings of untamed energy, nearly as destructive as the being they were meant to fight. Knowledge, Emotion, and Will create four beings of unmatched inspiration, seemingly incapable of withstanding the Destroyers attacks. The beings of energy almost immediately set off to attack the Destroyer head on. They fight for eons upon eons, standstill after standstill. They eventually start to grow weary from fighting, and as the Destroyer moves in to finish them, the four of inspiration perform a ritual splitting the Destroyer into four weaker parts itself. The four of energy are then able to fight back once again against more equally matched opponents, but are not able to destroy the fragments of the Destroyer. Instead, they seal them away where they cannot come together again, so that they can't possibly reform and seek vengeance.
    >> Lini 09/15/09(Tue)16:53 No.5873749
    Upon seeing this turn of events, God decided that it would no longer be able to sit and watch its children fight amongst themselves while still maintaining order throughout the cosmos, so it separated into two. One part would be cold and calculating, the Ordinator of Existence. The other would be cheerful and carefree, Life itself. While the Ordinator sealed itself away from all others so as to perform its duties, Life frolicked amongst the world, and wherever it touched, new beings were created. Life touched Water's oceans, and a myriad of fish swam from then on. Life touched Ground's continents, and a multitude of beasts roamed from then on. Life touched Sky's air, and a horde of birds flew from then on. This is how it was for many eons...until Death grew jealous again. These creations of Life were spread across Matter and Time, leaving none for itself. It argued with its siblings, wanting its fair share of creation. Matter and Time eventually relented, allowing Death to claim the creations of Life after when Time ordained and where Matter had chosen. Death, however, was not satisfied with this arrangement. It wanted beings of its own, beings loyal to it! It twisted the form of those it had claimed, turning them into new creatures to roam creation, creatures whose desire was to bring more into Death's service
    >> Lini 09/15/09(Tue)16:54 No.5873761
    Life found this to be wrong; why should Death do this, and why should Time and Matter allow it? It created a trio of companions, each one an aspect of the three who rule the world. From Matter, Life created the Wishmaker, capable of changing reality at a whim. From Time, Life created the Traveler, who could pass through Time's veil at will. From Death, Life created the Healer, able to reverse Death's judgment at a moment's notice. Finally, Life created the Tool-User, to help guide the other creatures in the world. Death, however, attempted to thwart Life's plan, and extended its influence to the Tool-User, corrupting its thoughts with visions of power. Maddened with power, the Tool-User enslaved the other creatures of existence, even attempting to force the Ordinator itself to bow to it. Ashamed by the Tool-User's fall, Life split it into many individuals. Though it could not undo Death's corruption entirely, it gave the new Tool-Users the free will to choose their own destiny, to stay true to their original purpose or to succumb to temptation. To watch over the fledgling group, Life created Dream, a cheerful reminder of the hope they once shared. It then created Nightmare, a grim reminder of how they once fell. Finished with this task, Life hid itself from the view of all, and forbid Time, Matter, and Death from ever interfering with the lives of mortals directly.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)17:13 No.5873956
    so... I could guess a couple of the pokemon then things got confusing.
    >> Lini 09/15/09(Tue)17:37 No.5874220
    God - Not a Pokémon
    Time - Dialga
    Matter - Palkia
    Death - Giratina
    Earth, Water, Sky - Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza
    Emotion, Will, Knowledge - Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit (not necessarily that order)
    Destroyer - Not a Pokémon
    Shards of the Destroyer - Regigigas, Regirock, Regice, Registeel
    Four of Energy -- Lugia, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres
    Four of Inspiration - Ho-oh, Sicune, Raikou, Entei
    Ordinator - Arceus
    Life - Mew
    Death's Children - Ghost types
    Wishmaker - Jirachi
    Traveler - Celebi
    Healer - Shaymin
    Tool User - Man (later Mankind)
    Dream - Cressalia
    Nightmare - Darkrai

    Mewtwo, Heatran, the Latis, Deoxysand Manaphy don't show up. Mewtwo is a corrupt clone of God's emotions given form, Heatran is a child of Groudon, Manaphy is a child of Kyogre, Deoxys is SPACE VIRUS, and the Latis don't strike me as being as Legendary as the others. Silly jetdragons.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)21:01 No.5876169
    Wow. This hasn't 404'd. Can't stick around, but to contribute:

    If I actually went ahead and did this as an RP setting, I'd be thinking of having remnant weapons from the war as an incredibly rare, but not unheard of, item set.

    Basically such that if the Trainer wants to risk becoming a priority target to the wild pokemon along with breaking pretty much every rule in the book if its another trainer, they could pull out an SMG and pepper the Onix or whatever with armour piercing rounds. The concept of some kind of pokeball firing railgun also hasn't escaped me.

    Anyone else have idea's for more conventional weapons that would have been used by Lt. Surge and his ilk during Pokemon based warfare?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)21:57 No.5876717

    I would guess lots of low level electric weapons, especially elongated cattle prods/ shock mauls or staves.

    There would be a greater prevalence of melee weaponry obviously. Martial arts everywhere. I think the use of electric weaponry to take pokemon alive in conjunction with pokeballs, then turn them against the enemy.
    >> LDT-A 09/15/09(Tue)23:20 No.5877561
    BUMP, >>5876717

    That actually makes a lot of sense. Towards the end of the war it would become apparent that it was more efficient to equip soldiers with non-lethal energy weapons (Although given the sizes and power of some of the pokemon that would need to captured its likely these weapons certainly wouldn't have been non-lethal to humans) so that enemy pokemon could be disabled and captured rather than killed outright, and hence a combat asset would fall into your sides hands. The more combat oriented electric types probably would have had this as their role.

    Side note: Anyone with an encyclopaedic knowledge of pokeball colours know what White with black detailing Pokeballs are? (Surely they must exist). Its just occurred to me that the mass production pokeballs in the Kanto region share Hoho's colour scheme, further supporting my theory that Hoho is from the faction native to Kanto. This would suggest that a Pokeball with Lugia's colours would be from the opposing faction, and in Kanto at least, an irreplacable war era remnant.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:38 No.5877729
    >>5876717 here

    Just been thinking about this, and its freaking awesome.

    Six troops in heavy armour riding on each of three rhydons, like tanks, barrelling towards the enemy trenches, accompanied by skirmishing scythers who strike from the treeline in short rushes. Just as the Rhydons reach the line, each soldier throws a pokeball ahead of him, upon which voltorbs appear adn explode, clearing the trenches. All but two 'guides' dismount, hefting shock staves and finishing off the Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee guards, as well as the human soldiers.

    The Scythers are suddenly cut down by a blast of flame from a group of charizards, who sweep in and counterattack, along with a battalion of Pidgeots and their shock lance carrying riders. They are forced to retreat when the Blastoise artillery rain down heavy attacks on them, causing significant casualties.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:44 No.5877796
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    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:46 No.5877812

    A primeape leaps from nowhere and tears a mans head clean off. An alakazam walks calmly in the trenches, and where he goes, men turn their weapons upon their comrades. Two Machamps flank him, crushing the strong willed with blurring fists, reducing men to pulp and blood, so much blood. Somewhere a Rhydon cries out, groaning in a rumbling manner. It's feeble brain tries to process the blood and why it cannot move it's legs. It's head rises up, then flops back down. Triumphant, a Golem rears it's bloody head and roars, turning from it's vanquished foe to more fresh enemies.

    An Arbok has been cornered, and like some market place snake charming, is shocked by the staves as it turns left and right, snapping at figures who jump back and shock him again, until one leaps forwards, the pokeball flashing bright in his hand, and all is black.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:50 No.5877849
    Timer Balls are mostly white with a spot of black and streaks of red.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:51 No.5877863
    In this thread, /tg/ has reached new heights of win.

    I applaud and salute you all.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)23:55 No.5877910

    samefag here, this isn't supposed to be writefaggotry, I'm writing a campaign that has the players as bystanders in the middle of this war.

    ...Alright, you ain't half shaking, boy. this your first time in the field? Woo boy, you just wait till you get your cherry popped. Ok ok I'll help you. Look, you'vde got your armour right? Strap it on nicee and tight and take good care of it. Get your hard rubber gloves on, along with your boots they might help if you get shocked some. I said 'might' ok?

    Now, your shield is your main line of defence. It's bullet resistant. No, bullet RESISTANT, not bullet proof. That's one of the first things you find out, kid. NOTHING is ever bullet proof. It'll resist shocks, hold fire at bay, and might stop a bullet or two. Plus melee attacks will slide right off it. Seen a scyther break his damn claw on one of these.

    Stay next to me, and I'll keep you alive, boy. Keep your shock stave ready and charged. Remember, stab what you can reach, and you can fire it like a tazer at what you can't. And don't worry, the proper troops will keep their troops of our backs. We get the fun job. dealing with the monsters.

    Just a coupla scythers, some Beedrills maybe a Hitmonchan or two, nothing fancy. If you see an Arbok, holler out loud. If you see anything that even LOOKS like an alakazam, you SHOUT and shut your eyes and move back. Throw a grenade if you have one left and run for your damn life.

    Alright boy, Rhydon's waitin, let's hustle.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:01 No.5877965
    THREE awesome Pokemon threads in the same day? WHAT THE SHIT IS GOING ON?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:09 No.5878041
    this must go back to the front page, it needs more love
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:15 No.5878106

    Okkkkk. Samefagging once more;

    Bulbasaur; Light Elemental Infantry
    Ivysaur; Medium Elemental Infantry
    Venosaur; Heavy Tank

    Squirtle; Light Elemental Infantry
    Wortortle; Medium Elemental Infantry
    Blastoise; Medium Artillery

    Charmander; Light Elemental Infantry
    Charmeleon; Medium Elemental Infantry
    Charizard; Low Flying Heavy Air Tank/Heavy Cav.

    Caterpie-Weedle; Used as hazards, much like barbed wire and snares. Poison stings and string shot are effective hinderances to enemy forest maneouvre.

    Metapod-Kakoona; No seeable use.
    Butterfree; Gas attack pokemon
    Beedrill; Light-Medium Air Cavalry

    Pidgey; Messenger system
    Pidgeot; Light Air Cavalry
    Pidgeotto; Medium Air Cavalry
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:20 No.5878151

    So it's like pokeyman x-com? If you see the Ethereal pump it full of lead first before it melts your mind?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:20 No.5878162
    Ticking time bombs, dropped from airships into enemy lands, eventually hatching and raising all sorts of chaos behind the lines.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:21 No.5878171

    Rattata-Raticate; Used as cannon fodder swarms, usually under cover of night. Can be as large as 300+ Ratticates are used as scent producing encouragement to rattatas.

    Spearow; Used to intercept Pidgey Messengers
    Fearow; Ground soldiers terror. The shriek of a Fearow is the soldiers PTSD trigger. Medium Air Cavalry with added psychological affect.

    Ekans; Light harrasment in forsted areas.
    Arbok; Another soldiers fear. Stealthy and horrific, used as trench clearers or forest hunters. Many soldiers report of being hunted by Arboks for weeks in dense forest.

    Pikachu; As the usefulness of Raichu increases, most pikachu are held back for immediate evolution.
    Raichu; Medium elemental infantry.

    Sandshrew-Sandslash; Work in teams with Diglets and dugtrios. Tunneling light-medium infantry ambushers.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:23 No.5878201
    since i was about 14 i was under the impression that pokemon could never ever been any sort of cool or entertaining again, this thread has changed that opinion
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:25 No.5878227

    No, its just a story about some Filipinos cock fighting.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)00:26 No.5878244

    Hell. Yes. (now namefagging)

    Nidoran; used as mixed gender light infantry due to high aggression. However both Nidoran and Nidorina/rhino are reserved mainly due to the effectiveness of Nidoking/Nidoqueen as Heavy Infantry without compare.

    Clefairy-Clefable; LOL I DUNNO

    Vulpix; Light elemental infantry
    Ninetails; Medium Elemental Cavalry

    Jigglypuff-Wigglytuff- LOL I DUNNO

    Zubat-Golbat; Mountain recon and harassment
    Oddish-Gloom; reserved until Vileplume evolution
    Vileplume; Gas attack pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:28 No.5878271

    Go to Cambodia and try asking random people about the Khmer rouge. The vast majority of the time they just won't want to talk about it, won't ever mention it, and will try to forget about it and go on with their lives. Spent a semester abroad there, it was a very interesting experience.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:30 No.5878299
    Why has nobody suggested that Ghost pokemon are simply psychological warfare weapons? They scare the shit out of everybody and everything. They are especially effective against the Psychic pokemon, which by their very nature are more sensitive to their own emotions and those around them.

    Simple existence is torment for ghost pokemon, and their impaired minds know only one purpose: to spread that misery to others. During the war, they would be unleashed upon civilian populations to drive them away from their factories or labs. They are undetectable by psychic pokemon because they naturally produce electromagnetic radiation that occludes telepathy. Psychic pokemon respond to such dead zones with instinctive fear and revulsion, and will not stay near them at any costs.

    Dark pokemon suppress ALL light, not just the visible, and as such are just as dangerous to ghost pokemon as they are to Psychics.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:31 No.5878311
    LOLIDUNNO = psychological warfare, and food for tank pokemons.
    How could you shoot something so cu.... feeling sleepy... but metacross advancing, under attack... soo *YAWN*....

    If they get shot down, they don't rot for a week, and are food for other pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:31 No.5878314
    Pokemon is fine without copious amounts of GRIMANDDARKNGRIM. Why do people have to grab the big brush labelled "MAKE IT DARK N' GRITTY".
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:34 No.5878355
    Because some people are sensitive to bright colors, war is typically seen as romantic (not in THAT sense), and we like to explain things that don't really need explaining, but lack an explanation.

    Forgot to mention: Who would shoot a cute pink thing, when there are big scary ekans and shit roaming around?
    Plus, Clafairy and etc. ARE typically known as healers, you could stick with that.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)00:35 No.5878365
    Paras; Deployed by air, equivalent of gas grenades. They instinctively scuttle to safety somewhere dark. And release spores that poison the enemy.
    Parasect. Goaded with shocks, then dropped like paras. They go beserk upon landing, snipping limbs off and billowing spores. Trenches often become uninhabitable for days after a parasect attack.

    Venonat; Hides in forests, then at night is released to sprint around and through enemy positions, releasing spores in a panic.
    Venomoth; highly trained gas attacking Light Air Cavalry.

    Diglet, Dugtrio; undermine enemy defences, dig out trenches, etc.

    Meowth-Persian; Little known use, Persians occassionally employed as scouts in a pinch.

    Psyduck-Golduck; LOL WUT deigned to be too erratic for military service. Occasionally used in desperate measures.

    Mankey-Primeape; Excellent skirmishers, Primeape is known for being ferocious to fight. Light-Medium Infantry

    Growlithe-Arcanine; Used as guard dogs, pets by commanders adn attack dogs. Packs of 10 Growlithe are led by a highly trained pack Leader Arcanine and a dedicated Handler, who is usually quite linked to the Arcanine. The growlithe however, are expendable.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:36 No.5878375
    This is more than Girmdark. This is a feasability situation.

    Realistically? Why would pokeman have evolved the way they did? Easy answer? They couldn't have. their genetics are already so volatile you can predictably mutate one with the addition of minerals and energy. Natural evolution sped up that fast would have obliterated the entire biosphere through hypermutation and dead-end genetics.

    This is the Pokemon world before the near Utopian society that you see in the animations, my friend. This is what happened before.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)00:42 No.5878441

    Poliwag and ev.; Light, Medium and Heavy Aquatic Elemental Infantry.
    Abra; Used as messengers and light skirmishers.
    Kadabra; Medium psychic infantry. Hated.

    Machop; Light Martial Infantry
    Machoke; Medium Martial infantry
    Machamp; Heavy Martial Infantry

    Belsprout; kept in reserve to evolve.
    Weepingbell; Forest Ambush forces
    Victorybell; Heavy Ambusher.

    Tentacool/cruel; Naval Attack forces.
    Geodude; Surprisingly, not offensive troops. The equivalent of Combat Engineers. They build earthworks and trenches, barricades and dugouts.
    Gravelar; Heavy Infantry
    Golem; Elite Heavy Infantry when well trained. One of the highest priority targets for elimination.

    Ponyta-Rapidash; Light-medium Cavalry.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:46 No.5878486
    >Belsprout; kept in reserve to evolve.
    >Weepingbell; Forest Ambush forces
    >Victorybell; Heavy Ambusher.

    I just imagined a platoon wandering into a forest zone FILLED with evolving belsprout that had been kept there en-masse, as sort of a field or greenhouse. Just one or two belsprout/weepingbell = no problem. Hundreds? Hell.
    >> Devilock 09/16/09(Wed)00:47 No.5878493
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    This thread is incredbile.

    One correction though; most natural mutations end with death and/or tumors if not eliminated by the immune system.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:48 No.5878516
    I'm not sure it's necessary to write out the purpose of every pokeymans. First, most of them seem kind of obvious, and second, that knowledge would probably be mostly forgotten. I guess Surge might know, and a few others, but mostly, their battlefield roles are long-forgotten.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)00:50 No.5878540
    Slowpoke, Slowbro.

    ...Moving on.

    Magnetmite, Magneton; Used only without Infantry support. Useful counter infantry forces.

    Farfetch'd; Bred for food both for soldiers and tank pokemon.

    Doduo-trio; Used as Wildcard pokemon. Often used as diversions to actual attacks. They are extremely violent and bloodthirsty when angry and can be dangerously unpredictable.

    Seel-Dewgong; Naval Attack forces
    Grimer; Chemical warfare pokemon
    Muk; Another high profile target. Simply dropping a Muk into trenches can force a retreat upon even the bravest troops. No one wants to die that way. No one.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)00:51 No.5878553

    I give in anyway. The list is too long, and I'm a britfag, so it's 5:51am. I'll stick around, but I only started writing cos the thread was kinda dead.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:52 No.5878570
    Slowpoke and Slowbro should be failed attempts to create some sort of pokemon that got out and bred prodigiously.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)00:54 No.5878595
    Slowpokes are attempts at making a powerful yet docile psychic. Usefulness varied.
    >> Devilock 09/16/09(Wed)00:54 No.5878600
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:01 No.5878661
    How do you update an already-archived sup/tg/ thread?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:02 No.5878665
    Mew was a failed prototype for Mewtwo, Celibi SUPPOSEDLY had the power to travel through time, but probably didn't.

    Arceus isn't a pokemon at all. It's a super-powerful alien being who's genetics went into the creation of the pokemon species, with Dialga and Palkia being the first prototypes, and the closest to Arceus.

    Alternately, OP's explanation.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)01:04 No.5878681

    Hey don't worry none, boy, you did fine for your first time. By the way, if you're gonna be sick again, lean over the damn Rhydon. You didn't flinch, that was the good thing. You stuck with it and you tagged that first scyther nice and clean.

    That little feint and low stab was a neat trick too, and trust me, I've seen plenty of tricks. You were doing well right up to the Machoke and you let your shield slip. I *know* you didn't mean to, but have you ever considered how it got that GODDAMN NAME?

    You're right, I'm sorry, it was a rookie mistake. You're just lucky I was there to stab the fucker. Still, I ain't ever seen anyone hang on to a Machoke that's strangling him off the ground and just keep kicking it in the face like that. You're a chosen man, now boy!

    What? It means you're my new corporal, boy, pick yourself up a coupla stripes from Lt Surge, tell him I sent you.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:08 No.5878730
    If /tg/ is this awesome, I need to come here more.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:08 No.5878739
    Hyper Beam is more of a "Piercing" attack. It was designed so that you'd have a legion of heavy duty Pokemon who can take the hit (or at least, are "perfect" and have no further advancement they lose out on) fire Hyper Beams to pierce the hull of a ship...say a legion of unsuspecting Dewgong. Break through the armor, then have the Vaporeon flow in as part of the natural water. When the crew attempts to seal the flood, the Vaporeon take shape and seal the hole (and the escape routes) themselves with Ice Beam, thus permanently waterlogging the ship and taking out a good chunk of the maintenance crew.

    Since Vaporeon are aquatic, they suffer no ill effects being underwater until they can shatter the ice or a recon team of Dewgong (Dewgong might not be great for battling, but they have a LOT of utility...ice-breaking, cold-weather, unassuming...) to shatter through the ice and free them.

    Now, all the while it's not some walk in the park. Pokemon have shown the ability to CREATE water where there is none. Imagine 15 Vaporeon on the bottom of as hip, all using Surf and Hydro Pump. Imagine how fast that ship would fill up with water and sink to the ocean floor, crew and all.

    As for the stragglers? Well...Gyarados is feared for a reason.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:08 No.5878741
    it is
    >> Devilock 09/16/09(Wed)01:09 No.5878750
    This is rare, but if you frequent /tg/ you'll catch such threads more often.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:13 No.5878793
    What purpose would Snorlax serve?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:14 No.5878812
    Unusually, Magikarps are useful as a scorched-earth/attrition pokemon in the oceans and seas. The extremely prolific creatures are incredibly effective in overpopulating and destroying aquatic habitats. Schools of them devour precious resources in oceans and rivers, devouring baby pokemon and generally being a nusiance to destroy and eradicate.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:15 No.5878815
    food or perhaps guard duty
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:16 No.5878821
    Siege warfare. It's a mostly-sedentary pokemon that wakes up just long enough to eat all the food in the countryside. Denial of supplies.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)01:16 No.5878822

    Do I know Surge? The Surge? Of course I do corporal. I knew him when he was SERGEANT Surge, and I was a lowly Private during the Second Civil War. The craziest motherfucker on the planet, I assure you, boy.

    I've seen this man kick a raichu to death, Kill a machoke with nothing more than a boot knife, and look an Alakazam straight in the eye. Do I like him? Frankly, no...man's unhinged. He obsesses. He hates the world and everything in it, he's...bitter.

    I still remember that faceoff with an Alakazam. We were assaulting some trenches near Route 112, and we got hit by an artillery shell, back when we still had some of the bigger fixed pieces. There's blood everywhere, I got 2 ribs broken and 'm lying against the trench wall. Half the damn squads dead, and Surge is already on his feet.

    I look up, and there is this Alakazam, staring at Surge. And Surge is staring back. Now I've seen soldiers do horrible things under the control of one of those demons, and I was ready for the worst. Or so I thought.

    I'm not sure to this day what scared me more. The Alakazam''s calculating expression. Or those eyes. Surge's eyes as he walked across and strangled the thing to death with his bare hands, smiling all the while.

    I guess I do know the answer, but I'm too afraid to ask the question anymore.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:16 No.5878823
    These duties seem ill-advised.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:17 No.5878836
    holy shit this is win.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:18 No.5878847
    this one gave me chills
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:18 No.5878855
    Did you ever hear anything about Professor Oak?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:19 No.5878865

    Release packs of Munchlax near the enemy's food supplies. Not only will they have to contend with starvation, but once the Munchies evolve into Snorlax they've got multi-ton tanks shuffling about crushing buildings and civilians, blocking roads, and causing general mayhem.

    They're living siege walls, marching steadily forward and soaking up damage while the platoons behind them form up and prepare to engage.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:20 No.5878883

    I liked the bit earlier about them being the psychic shadows of dead psychic pokemon and trainers. It's up there somewhere.

    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)01:22 No.5878900

    Alright boys, move these trucks up! Hustle people!


    What in God's name is the damn hold u- Aww shit.

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:24 No.5878924
    I sense a bit of mad scientist writing coming up....
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:26 No.5878942
    Quick sneak past well hes asleep....isnt he always asleep good point!
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:26 No.5878952
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    I am now fucking terrified of Lt. Surge.
    >> Devilock 09/16/09(Wed)01:29 No.5878977
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:30 No.5878990
    Didn't bill have a theory that pokemon were actually aliens? I think this alluded to clefairy/jigglypuff.

    Why not have these guys actually be aliens. Give a bit of variety and a sense of "unknown".
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:33 No.5879017
    I am about to say something that I thought that I would ever say in my life...
    Any good Pokemon fanfics out there?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:34 No.5879033
    Can thread has archive please?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:36 No.5879046
    I read that, but didn't really like it, as it brings a measure of the supernatural into what is being made into a "feasible" world (within the realm of suspended disbelief). As psychological weapons, they are not supernatural, but invoke the same sort of primal fear of the dead.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:38 No.5879067
    It's archived, in part (though the really creepy Surge bit is missing)
    but I don't know how to update the archive to include all the new shit.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)01:39 No.5879080
    Sorry boys, I've heard of Oak, but nothing much gets through to us Frontliners but rumours and hearsay. I know he's been around because we get weird missions. Dangerous ones too.

    Sometimes, in the earlier days, they had something we didnt. Arboks, for one. So Oak here's this, and he wants one. 'Research and Development' they say. So who has to go get an Arbok. ALIVE. And this wasn't any of your simple 'throw a pokeball' shit.

    We had the earlier mark II's. Contact only. Yeah, that's right. You had to FIND an arbok, in the MIDDLE of an attack. Get CLOSE in and HIT this fucker with a pokeball. In your fist.

    The first man to try that lost his hand. The second got crushed to death. I got him while he was eating the third. Don't look at me like that boy, war's war. We took it back alright and I tell you. I drew stag for the week with a coupla other guys.

    I will never forget those sounds. I pity that damn arbok, for all it killed three of my men. It screamed, as damn near as it could. But it was worse when it stopped. You could here him talking to his assistants, over whimpering and then silence. He sounded....happy. Like a kid with some new fucking toy.

    I made out one word from him, cos the tent flaps were so thick. 'Interesting'. I don't care what anyone says, those damn scientists aren't on our side. Half of them we bought from the enemy, the other half ain't got a side but their own. Don't trust em.

    I heard he got promoted after that though, went on to bigger things. Rumour has it that he went *highhh* up into R&D and started 'making' new pokemon. Now maybe that's bullshit and maybe it isn't, but I still don't sleep easy thinking that we've got people like that on 'our' side.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:41 No.5879102

    I don't remember where I saw this explanation, but the pokeballs are a tech device that links your mental will with that of the pokemon tied to the ball. If your will is stronger than that of the pokemon you can control it and order it, but if it is mentally stonger it rebels, badged improve your mental strength in regards to controlling the creatures. The pokeballs are tied to your genetic and mental signature, which is why someone cannot catch one of your own pokemon and control it properly.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:42 No.5879111
    kind and caring grandfather figure my ass
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:47 No.5879152

    You– you what?

    You want to hear?

    No. No-one wants to hear. The thing. The thing. The thing we made. It was– no. It is. It is the thing. The thing we made. We made it. God help us we made it

    We knew we... we knew we had to do something. It was an arms race– we had to outdo the other side. The war had been going on for... too long. We had our orders. We fought the war in our laboratories. And we fought. Everything they built we countered. Every new modification, new evolution, was ours. We were the best of the... the best

    But it wasn't enough. It was never enough. And our own creations were... becoming... stranger. Harder to control. We were working with technology we didn't even bother to understand after we'd invented it.

    And then they told us to do it. The last. The last thing. The last creation. The last creature. We had to end it. Had to make something the rest couldn't touch.

    So we did. God help us the things we did. No YOU don't understand. Do you have any idea? Any idea the lengths we went to to make those beasts you hold so dear? We tread in places that Gods would look at in disgust, created abominations unto

    And we... Oh God, we made It. The thing. It's there. We couldn't hold it– how could we have, held the thing designed to fight everything. It is the destroyer. The breaker–

    Describe it?! You ask me to relive the madness inherent in a single glimpse of its form? Its form is greater, greater than this world can contain. It is not a form, it is a lack-of-form, a hole in the world that will devour it all–

    It's out there. God help us all it's still out there. It wanders, breaking the world in its wake. We can't stop it. We can't. If someone caught it... Never go there. The islands. The islands where the labs were. Don't go there. Its there. The world is not right there. Oh god, the blotches, the blotches! The world is falling apart!
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:48 No.5879164
    The way I see it...
    Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie, Cresellia, Shaymin, Darkrai, Heatran, and Arceus (not counting Regigas in this one) were all around long before humans screwed with science.

    Perhaps they were the "originals". They encompass all types (Arceus picks up most of the slack) and have powers well beyond humanities understanding.
    The similarities between their defenses and the "attacks" of genetically engineered Pokemon is not a coincidence. Being creatures of immense power, they implanted "suggestions" of how Pokemon should act and react.

    Why are they so far beyond human making? They embody metaphysical aspects.

    These creatures (Save Heatran, who embodies the molten core of the planet, which is VERY physical) are far beyond our understanding. But it says something for humanity that we can still capture and direct such immensely powerful entities. Though one wonders if they do it out of respect, or as a favor...
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:54 No.5879212
    >> Writefag !!ON1Fh28PeUw 09/16/09(Wed)01:56 No.5879223
    I'm kinda itchin' to write-fag up some journal entries for the scientists creating the Pokemon, but I'd rather not muscle in on the other writefag. So I humbly ask if he minds me butting in?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)01:59 No.5879242
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned these yet:


    Not quite the same premise, but some of it should be applicable.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)02:00 No.5879246

    Boy, mount up the Rhydons. Yeah, that's right all of em. Ok, fuck that.

    110th! GATHER ROUND. Right! Something is loose near Cinnabar. We have sketchy reports right now, but it seems to be some kind of NEW pokemon. Big one too. Bigger than a Legendary. We're to rendevouz with the 65th Foot and 77th Armour and take this fucker head on.

    Now this thing is dangeous. It's apparantly routed the 12th Foot and all but wrecked the 34th Skirmish. but lt Surge has volunteered us, and we aren't the sort to back down are we? So we're gonna go kick it's ass personally!

    Ok, grab the Rhydons. Take EVERYTHING we've got, all the heavy hitters, shock lances, field pieces, everything. 110th? MOVE OUT.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:01 No.5879261
    I only wrote the one Missingno one, but I at least don't give a shit. Go ahead.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)02:03 No.5879279

    go for it man, I'm gonna do maybe two more entires to this, then stop.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:05 No.5879309

    mewtwo or missingno?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:07 No.5879321
    mewtwo doesn't destroy your game
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 09/16/09(Wed)02:07 No.5879326

    >It is not a form, it is a lack-of-form, a hole in the world that will devour it all

    I think Missingno.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)02:07 No.5879328
    Well boy, ain't ever seen anything like this. The shoreline turned to fog, and no matter which way we go, there isn't a trace of the other Regiments. Just the 110th blundering around in this shit.

    Plus what landscape there is.....isn't. It looks like static sounds, if you get what I mean. All the angles are wrong. And fuck knows what material it's made of, because it doesn't look like anything I've ever seen, but no matter what we do, we never get close enough to touch.

    All the pokemon are spooked shitless too. They can smell something bad, and I don't like it.
    >> Pokewriter 09/16/09(Wed)02:17 No.5879427
    HOLY SHIT. Ok Ok, calm down.

    All units, report?

    Nothing. Ok, if anyone can here this, it's Sergean ****** of the 110th! Everything's all fucked up. There's nothing but this fog and ...and... that thing.

    It's like a hole in space, just...nothingness. Static in the music of life. It came out the surf and the fog. It seems to...........out of the same material.

    It/......killed.....one. It blocks out radio frequencies, jams weapons. If you touch it, you become.......nothingness. You don't die, it just....absorbs you.

    -oys dead. He rushed it with his shock stave, but all his tricks couldn't stop a thing o-........re nothingness.

    I hope this gets out. Thjis thing isn't....ural. We must have.......-hand in this. God help me.

    Ah. My Weapon has deactivated. It's near. Sergeant ****** 110th, Making a final last stand. Get this message to high command and tell them it's not too late. Bomb this place into rubble and you cou-

    Oh god. Here it com-*static, then silence.*

    >> Writefag !!ON1Fh28PeUw 09/16/09(Wed)02:22 No.5879478
    Oh god pressure now I'm afraid I'll suck.
    (especially since this is so far from my normal style)

    October 12th, 1994
    We've created a new life! Literally! We're calling it "Abra". As in "Abrakadabra". It's the cutest little thing, it just snores and sleeps all day. Absolutely adorable. Though we've been trying to communicate, it seems to say it's name. Is it intelligent already?

    Either way, it's such a cute little guy. I'm absolutely bursting with joy I haven't felt since my own little girl was born.

    October 13th, 1994
    Abra opened his eyes! He was only awake for about 45 minutes, but he was very inquisitive. We gave him rubics cubes (which either frustrated or bored him, as he seemed to throw them around). And the most spectacular part? He teleports! It's the most amazing thing! This has been an unbelievable week so far.

    October 16th, 1994
    Abra evolved. Named Kadabra. Will write more later, my head is absolutely pounding.
    >> Writefag !!ON1Fh28PeUw 09/16/09(Wed)02:23 No.5879488
    October 16th, 1994
    Head hurts. Think I have a nosebleed. Just informed it's AbraCadabra. C, not K. Records already made too late to fix blunder.

    October 19th, 1994
    The headaches have come and gone over the past 3 days. The nosebleeds coincide with the pain. Is it true what they say? Did we create a Psychic being? Let us hope that if we did, he's benevolent. Or at least, the headaches are not his way of exerting dominance, hahaha.

    October 23rd, 1999
    Kadabra has been showing us some fantastic parlor tricks. He would bend his spoon into a knot with his mind, and then unbend it. He is unquestionably our finest work. Though his genetic structure is unstable...much like Abras before he became this thing.
    Here's hoping the headaches don't return.

    October 26th, 1999
    Something is wrong. "Alakazam" as we've named it...he's...he's not like Kadabra. Or maybe he is but he's too sure of himself.
    I came in to work to a mess of papers and books. Piles upon piles of Sudoku puzzles and crosswords, filled out and strewn about. Rubics cubes solved in such a way that there was a definite pattern. Not straight colors, but a definite, more complicated pattern across several cubes. This is terri

    October 26th 1999
    Writing from home.
    I swear I heard Alakazam scold me in the back of my mind. I don't trust him.
    God help us I think he's smarter than any of us realized. No, he's smarter than any of us. Full stop.
    I fear what we may have unleashed on the world.
    >> Writefag !!ON1Fh28PeUw 09/16/09(Wed)02:23 No.5879496
    October 28th, 1999
    Oh god.
    Oh dear god.
    Posting from home again.
    Oh dear god work was horrid.
    There was no sign of a struggle.
    It was as if every coworker had snapped and killed themselves.
    Police investigating. Calling me in.
    Please let me be wrong.
    Please don't let my fears be founded.

    October 29th

    October 30th

    November 1st, 1999

    November 2nd, 1999
    I feel I must apologize for the dark turn of my journals entries. If I have frightened anyone, I must apologize. My intention was merely a Halloween prank, nothing to be afraid of.
    Alakazam is a model student and lab assistant.
    Though I do fear he has excelled far beyond the need for me I no longer fear his superior mental prowess.
    >> Aozaki Aoko !IwEl/9INRQ 09/16/09(Wed)02:25 No.5879510
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:43 No.5879687
    Anybody got ideas on what Mr. Mime is for?

    Eevee was designed to rapidly change into a different form to counter whatever the enemy was throwing at you. No need to keep squads of Charmands, Squirtles, and Bulbasaurs, just keep a couple of Eevees and you're good to go.

    Hypno was nuts on defense. "Everybody charge! Wait don't look at the... so tired... must sleep..."

    Kingler was probably an anti-ship weapon. It could litterally crush subs and cruisers.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:46 No.5879719
    Mr. Mime's great at putting up invisible walls, so he'd work primarily for building quick defenses. Barrier ftw.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:48 No.5879734
    Hmmm....I kinda want to archive this, using this in combination with the pokemon 4th ed homebrew, shit could be awesome:D
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:50 No.5879754
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:51 No.5879758
    Link to the Pokemon 4e homebrew, if it's still around in some form?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)02:56 No.5879794
    They'd definitely be strong in a defensive role, especially in an urban environment where you have smaller spaces to deal with. Actually depending on the amount of control they had over their barriers (whether it's just squares/rectangles or if they can take irregular shapes), they could be incredibly useful for providing cover in open terrain as well.

    I can't find it on my hard drive at the moment, but has anyone else seen that picture of Ash Ketchum, Fist of the North Star style, with a pikachu that looks more like some kind of attack dog? It seems relevant to the topic.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)03:00 No.5879839

    OH SHI-

    I shat a fucking brick wall.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)03:29 No.5880082
    Platinum Bumpage.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)03:32 No.5880122
    maybe jigglypuff was pre-war, setting off the pokemon arms race, used as entertainment, but since it was one of the first, its genes were highly unstable, but it became the basis for clefairy and clefable, which were used as space explorers instead of humans. Wigglytuff is the result of jigglypuff being exposed to radiation and its interaction with its unstable genes
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)03:36 No.5880176
    This is Awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)03:39 No.5880200
    Check the archived threads, iirc the bits and pieces of it are up, it basically consisted of picking a trainer "class" breeder, trainer, ranger, etc, and then doing battle with whatever pokemon you had. Seemed pretty cool, I might have to sit down and write it all out so next time I'm home I can play with my old gaming crew.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:47 No.5880285
    "Hey, guys, you hear the news? They say they've got a superweapon coming, one tha-"

    "Shut it."

    "W.. what? This war could be over-"

    "SHUT. IT. Kid, you don't know shit. You really think this is the first 'superweapon'? Oh, they've had plenty. We hear about them all the time. Every year the propaganda starts rolling out, and them, BOOM! Silence. Nothing. Posters off the walls, records missing from the archives. Not a single trace of evidence save what you grabbed while you could."

    "You... you mean there's been others?"

    "Hell, there's been others. Every damned time these idiot Genefreaks think they're making a new perfect war machine. At first they were, and nothing happened because every other goddamned side was making the same shit. They shut that news down, because they'd have to damn well admit that their superweapon got fucked up and that the enemy had its own. Hell, it's easy to do. Funny thing about super-killing, once you've won you don't got too many witnesses to worry about, and half of them don't have the sanity to say a goddamn word."

    "But, we'd make them better now! The Wire said geneticists have been making amazing discoveries every day!"

    "Heh. Wire finally got something right. Damned right they got better. They made 'em perfect. Too goddamned perfect. You take a slave and give him a gun, you damned well know what he's gonna do with it. Except those bastard Genefreaks didn't. Wouldn't know reality if it tore their bastard heads off."
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:48 No.5880297
    "But you said they didn't tell...how do you know, sarge?"



    "... because I was goddamned well there."


    "Mewtwo. The biggest, baddest superweapon of all, they told us. Genefreaks spliced the code right off of the original template. Except they hadn't modded it this time, they just activated the noncoder regions, every last one. Hell if I know what that means but they sure as shit didn't do it every day."

    "You said you saw it?"

    "Yeah, me and half the army. The deployed the entire 7th and half the 21st Marine. Two brigades worth, as glorified witnesses. We rolled up to an enemy position, the Weather Institue, one of the fucked-up superweapon labs. Didn't know what the hell they got up to in that hellhole, and I damn well liked it that way.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:49 No.5880303
    Anyway, we all get out ,take up positions, and the enemy comes to meet us. Except they don't got two brigades, they've got the entire fucking Hoenn army. So many Rhydons stomping around the waves went backwards out the beach. Enough of those fucking Fearow we could hear them a kilometre away. They even brought out the goddamned Omega Company, four fucking platoons of Alakazam. I tell you what, half our guys damned near legged it when they saw that clusterfuck. Few of them actually did. The Genefreaks didn't care, didn't stop them. We weren't there to fight, we were there to prove a goddamned point.

    So, they give the signal, and we thin the ranks. This black van, like something out of a bad war movie drives up, and drops off this canister, bit bigger than a man. The Genefreaks got in the van and fucking legged it. We all stepped back, and by fuck it's a good thing we did, because this can pops open, and this... thing comes out.

    Now, I've seen some freaky fucking monsters. I've been in the water, in the burning wreckage of the SS Anne as Sharpedo butcher anyone who made a move. I've nearly been swallowed by a fucking Muk. Hell, I faced down a Haunter and lived. But I don't wanna see the day where I see another one of these things.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:50 No.5880315
    Didn't look too freaky. Nearly human, but... purple. Backjoint legs, big tail, lumpy head. That's not what got to me. This thing radiated a fucking aura of complete psychosis. Just being near the damned thing made you rage, and hate, and want to kill. Couple of guys looked at it too close, started attacking us.

    Then, it moved.

    Fuck, it was fast. Didn't even see it move, like the fucking thing teleported right in front of the enemy. They all move forward, and all we can see as we get into position is the look of utter contempt on its face.

    It was a psychic. Not like Alakazam, shit no. Alakazam is a goddamn parlour trick compared to this. It didn't even bother playing with minds, it just fucked the universe a new hole. It picked up the Ryuga and the Kenshi, those massive Wailord-base battleships, lifted into the air by looking at 'em like they were goddamned skitties, and blew them up. Not exploded, just... ripped apart. Fucking meat and blood everywhere, it got us from that far away. Jesus. None of the enemy even moves, they're completely fucking shitless of this thing.

    Then the Fearow swooped. Must'ave been a thousand of the fuckers, each one moving like a goddamn gunshot. Freak didn't even move. Just looked at them, help up its hands, and clenched them, and half the fuckers were crushed into a goddam nball no bigger than this Rhydon. The rest legged it, and not one made it further an a hundred metres. The fucking thing took that ball of fucking gore, and shot it at the soldiers so fast it left a goddamned impact crater.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:51 No.5880327
    The spell broke, and everyone left tried to run. All fucking kinds of shit was going on, monsters hurled into the air, rammed into the ground, torn in half, turned inside out, or just gone completely insane. Fucking thing never even had to touch them. Omega Division, fifty fucking Alakazam, moved up and started doing its work. The most powerful psychic force ever to exist working as one, and they made this ball of darkness they shot at the freak. They hit it square on, and the ball blew up like a goddamned black supernova.

    It didn't even leave a mark.

    The freak just stared at them, stared in utter contempt, and they lost it. I've never seen an Alakazam scared before, even the ones I've killed, but these things were panicking like fucking greenies seeing their first Weezing. Half ran, half started spamming shit everywhere, and I swear to God some of them were fucking praying. Didn't help. They killed themselves, every last one.

    The rest didn't last long, those that hadn't got the brains to run. This fucking thing had killed half the fucking military might of Hoenn in a few hours, and wasn't even out of breath.

    That black van comes back, and the Genefreak gets out. He pulls out a megaphone and a pokeball, and says something, I forget what. The freak looks at him, and for the first time that day actually reacts. It's an ugly look, a primal combo of sheer rage and animalistic fear. Same shit you get on a man's face when he knows he's going to die but wants to take down every fucker he can with him. And then, it moves."
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:53 No.5880347
    "...and then..?"



    "... I don't wanna talk about it. I don't wanna fucking think about it. If I don't fucking tell you then nobody fucking knows and maybe it never fucking happened."

    "Are you okay, sarge?"

    "Funny thing, that. Those fucking Genefreaks had ruined the world with their bullshit, and I thought there wasn't a fucking punishment this side of God that could give them what they deserved.

    Funny how we can be so goddamned wrong and never know it."
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)03:54 No.5880358
    "Sarge... are you sure you're okay? I can... I can get a clefairy or something."

    "I don't need no fucking magic fairy shit, I'm fine!"

    "Sarge... I don't think you are. There... there never was a 7th brigade. There's nothing on the record, or anything."

    "Goddman right there isn't. Wouldn't be the first time they made something awkward disappear."

    "But wouldn't there have been survivors, or something? Someone would have told someone."

    "A survivor, kid?"

    "Yeah, sarge, th-"

    "You're looking at him."


    "I am the 7th Brigade, now. And you don’t wanna go talking shit about superweapons any more. They don’t exist. Never have, never will.”

    “Yes, sarge.”

    Now get up and get your goddamned shockrod. We're gonna take Fallarbor tonight, and it's gonna be a long fuckign night."
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)04:08 No.5880527
    Kick. Ass.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)04:11 No.5880564
    OP's story sounds surprisingly similar to the pokemorphs fluff
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)04:21 No.5880672

    ...holy shit I remember reading that when I was in elementary school. I thought it was the shit, but looking back, it probably was just regular shit.
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)04:35 No.5880793
    Nice thread - I still haven't finished reading it, but it's being very interesting.

    That said, if I may interject a bit of an idea...

    >Yes, I have thought of Legendaries. Legendaries were weaponised creatures deemed too powerful to be given the ability to reproduce by themselves. They would be produced on a one by one basis in the production vats of the relevant faction. However, due to their status as a high combat asset they also have no inbuilt senscence stage,

    ...I personally would rather like some of the legendaries - Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza - as a bit of "Nature's answer" or "gone wrong" rather than actually designed that way.

    Basically, I'm picturing Kyogre being akin to Godzilla. Mankind's folly created him, and he was a very live and *destructive* reminder for the people at war.

    And, mostly slumbering, but they're still around.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:21 No.5881220
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:49 No.5881487
    Hmm, gonna put up a request to archive~
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)05:52 No.5881518
    Welcome back, spambot.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/16/09(Wed)06:13 No.5881741

    No taste in threads.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)07:24 No.5882294
    I, the OP am back, and goddamn what does a man need to do to get an archive around here?

    There are a few abherrent ideas running around but only as many happen in any /tg/ thread, by and large I'm really liking whats going on here. Especially those war stories. I love you /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)07:25 No.5882305
    Archive in suptg, fool.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)10:16 No.5883495
    Oh jeez, completely missed it when I checked earlier. To contribute, writefaggotry:

    Artillery thinned the enemy deployment out, weakened their stronger constituents. We faithfully carried out our order to charge before the shells even stopped falling. I guess maybe that had something to do with Surge being commanding officer at the time, and believe me, that guy is one ice cold motherfucker, a real fanatic, who'd shoot anyone gripped by fear as soon as look at em.

    This was back one both sides were mainly using Pokemon in tactical applications, back when there were still soldiers, mind you. For all that we had a couple of Hitmonlee and a Hitmonchan running with us, and an Executor rooted at the back of the line providing psychic radar, the majority of combatants back then were men like you and I.

    A mounted gun opened up on us from one of their few intact bunkers, Darren hit the dirt next to me and deployed his Mime, which kept us covered while Tim got his Dragonair locked onto it. One hyperbeam and the bunker flared out from within like gunpowder in a lock.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)10:40 No.5883655
    I guess we were lucky, there was only one Psychic left, only one soldier fell to the ground clawing at his skull at a time, they were pretty rare back then. The Hitmon's grappled with their Machops and other physically based pokemon while we closed in enough to empty our shotguns into them. Machops are pretty tough if you know, so believe me this was considered non-lethal force. The genefreaks sure as hell didn't need any more for research but reinforcements were scarce and any chance of a few extra hands on deck later on was to be taken.

    A beedrill came out of fucking nowhere and made Tim into swiss cheese when we were nearing the command bunker, which left us unable to crack it like we meant to. Only option was to waltz right into whatever blind corners it was made out of. Surge see, he just walks past, is all, 'You, with me' and thats the way it rolls.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)10:41 No.5883663
    It was me, Surge, and some rook named Christoph against that bunker while the rest of us held guard against any counterattacks. Surge's Electabuzz blew the door, but after that he called it back into its ball. He was always one to work with his own hands. I don't think even to this day he's forgiven what Pokemon did to the men who served with him. We walk in, through some corridors that were clearly hewed hastily by a Dugtrio or something. I spot the Graveler first, but I don't manage to warn Christoph before he gets to close to it. It lunges out and tears him in half, but it doesn't get any further after Surge let it have a full clip from some weird grenade launcher he requisitioned. You know when I think about it, I'm pretty sure it shot Bellsprouts or something similar.

    Anyway we get to the planning room. One enemy trainer left, along with "his" Alakazam. I hope you understand that there is no fucking way you could ever "own" one of those things. An Abra maybe. But by the time that lineage is full grown any trainer can say good bye to his freewill. In this case the Trainer already had a plasma pistol trained on the door, but Surge lunged forward and batted him aside like a ragdoll. Me, well, I was frozen. I could feel the Alakazam inside my head, searching for a way to make me work for it. It could have killed me outright easily but you know as well as I do that those things take a perverse pleasure in rewiring minds. But then it just stopped when it realised Surge was a bigger threat. The glass on Surge's PDA cracked. A few of his buttons seemed to implode in on themselves. His clothes ruffled as if a great wind was blowing.

    But Surge just walks over there, ice cold, like I've said, and snapped the monsters neck. Didn't even blink.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:04 No.5883837
    1. goto http://4chanarchive.org/
    2. Click on 'Request Interface' on the left.
    3. Insert the thread number: 5870863
    4. Select /tg/
    5. Type in the shit
    6. ???
    7. Profit!
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:12 No.5883926

    Pokemon are genetically hardwired to no kill humans I thought, at least not directly (if they sink a ship and some humans die, its not them directly killing them)
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:15 No.5883947
    Actually, no. There's nothing in the games that suggest this. Though there is a story in D/P/Pt that talks about a human killing pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:18 No.5883967

    Pokemon only KNOCK EACH OTHER OUT

    Pokemon never KILL HUMANS
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)11:35 No.5884100
    Its never occurred to you that maybe some other things happened to thos pokemon after they got knocked out? In fact even in the anime, which I've decided is not grimdark enough to base this setting off of, they depict, in instances where there is a notable lack of restraint, Pokemon continuing to attack the enemy after the other pokemon is totally incapacitated. Just beating the shit out of a fainted creature. Also, the Beedrills actually kill a Metapod pretty early on.

    Also, it is never explicitly stated that Pokemon can't kill people, and in fact the way they act in the earlier episodes it was supposed be an omnipresent possibility.

    But back to the games, how many times did you lose a battle against wild pokemon? Your trainer faints after you lose your last Pokemon. You know why? Because that Nidoran or whatever started beating the shit out of you. You had a lucky break, and your broken body was found and dragged back to a Pokemon Centre, which it is worth mentioning also canonically treats people.
    >> sage 09/16/09(Wed)11:39 No.5884122
    Looks like OP is a pokefag. GTFO /a/ and /v/
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:44 No.5884161

    Having read the pokemon manga not too long ago (I was very bored) that's actualy not too far off. People can die from pokemon, pokemon can kill each other and normal weapons do exist (Team Rocket in one of thier better moments pulled a "C4 I chose you")

    Oh and Lt Surge is bloody badass, he beats up team rocket trainers without his pokemon.
    >> Another Writefag 09/16/09(Wed)11:48 No.5884189

    "Wha- Oh fuck! FUCK!"

    "WHAT DO WE DO?!"


    "Get out! Get out now!"



    "Leave him, you fucking idiot!"

    "But we can save him, we can-"

    "Not from an Ariados, you retard! Move!"

    "Sarge! We got a problem!"

    "Wh- FUCKSICLES! Webs!"

    "We're gonna die! We're gonna-"

    "Shut it! Charmeleons out, now!"

    *ksssshhh* "Mrrrrrrrrrrrr..."

    "Webs down, now!"

    "Mrrrrrrraaaaaaaaah!" *fwoosh*

    "They're coming!"

    "Behind you! Now!"

    "Maaaaaah!" *fwooom*


    "It's working! It's wor- ACK!"


    "OH SHI-"

    "Tommy! Tommy, stay with me!"

    "*cough* left... pocket... *gack, cough* ..."



    "Ninjask, take it out!"


    "Well done! ...we did it... I did it.... I -HGGG-"

    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:48 No.5884196

    Fail at sage. GTFO 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:49 No.5884198

    It was also established that self destruct and explosion have a very good chance of outright killing weaker pokemon that use it, meaning that only bastard trainers rely on it.

    Oh, and I nearly forgot;

    Electrode Grenade Launcher.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:52 No.5884213
    Lt Surge actually uses that in the manga.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)11:53 No.5884221
    Goddammit why is he so awesome?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:28 No.5884377
    Anybody got ideas on what Mr. Mime is for?

    Eevee was designed to rapidly change into a different form to counter whatever the enemy was throwing at you. No need to keep squads of Charmands, Squirtles, and Bulbasaurs, just keep a couple of Eevees and you're good to go.

    Hypno was nuts on defense. "Everybody charge! Wait don't look at the... so tired... must sleep..."

    Kingler was probably an anti-ship weapon. It could litterally crush subs and cruisers.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:31 No.5884399
    "Oak, you're back? What's happening out there?!"
    "I'm not too sure, but it's not too good. How's the research?"
    "It's.. hard, we're trying our best to synthesise the DNA. We should have this Aerodactyl out and fighting soon."
    "Good. Good. Is it going up to specification?"
    "Well, I theorise that it should be better but more expensive than a fearow, but I've.."
    "Can it use TM26?"
    "It needs to learn it, but.. yes,"
    "Good. That's all they want to know."
    "... Oak, what are we doing? Really?"
    "Saving the world, Elm."
    "... Fine."
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:34 No.5884425
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    This thread seriously needs to be put together in a single file
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    Vaguely related
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:38 No.5884452

    I love you
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:44 No.5884487
    I remember somebody comparing kingler's strenght to something else (the sun or wathever).

    Its entry in the pokedex says it's ubber strong. Like, ridiculously strong!
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)12:51 No.5884528
    found it
    >The larger pincer has 10,000- horsepower strength. However, it is so heavy, it is difficult to aim.

    10000, this guy is motherfucking crazy
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)12:52 No.5884541
    Why is it so hard to guess? Mr. Mime is for when you need some instant cover, or in ideal circumstances, you can fortify a garrisoned building without any external signs.

    Also, if I wasn't the OP I would suspect the OP of making a failsage attempt on their own thread in order to make themselves look good. Reality is unfortunately so much more mundane.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:00 No.5884634
    "Oak! For the love of everything that is holy, what is happening out there?!"
    "I don't know, but it's... bad. The security is compromised. The war is ending soon."
    "Project King"
    "WHAT?! How? Our spies said that Regigas wasn't going to be finished for at least,"
    "Sorry... I'm.. Look... the base is compromised, we need to make sure that the data is safe, that... not all is lost."
    "I was thinking of creating something portable to read the pokemon DNA, so the soldiers are armed with knowledge on how to better capture or defeat the enemy,"
    "Small, like a book, so it won't hinder too much movement. Besides, we need to keep more backups of the data,"
    "It's.. finished.
    And we've tested it all.
    I don't know how well it can go up against the Regigigas...
    but it's... as powerful as mewtwo."
    "Oak, What have we done?!
    What are we even doing?
    Creating biological weapons of war...
    It's... wrong.
    Have you even seen the world outside?"
    "I did not authorize you to go outside."
    "It's all war. Everywhere, there's no respite from it.
    We're not saving the world, we're...
    destroying it, Oak..."
    "Elm, talking like that is tantamount to treason.
    Are you a spy, Elm?
    Right under my nose?
    Do you work for the enemy?!
    DO YOU?"
    The foot of regigas stomps into the lab, crushing part of it.
    "I quit."
    Elm runs.

    Why else would they live on different islands and why else would Oak never knew of all the different pokemons that existed near Elm?
    They haven't talked for years.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:09 No.5884726
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    That Elm fucker...

    One day, Elm... one day you will pay for your treason.
    One day, I'll end you, with my bare-pokeimans
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:11 No.5884750
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    Holy shit, the thread went on for so long without the posting of this story? I am disappoint.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:12 No.5884754
    *wipes a single tear away*

    I love you all so, so much.
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:13 No.5884781
    Rememberer here. Thanks a bunch.

    Also: Don't write Golduck off just yet. They're exceptionally strong swimmers with potent psychic powers and the ability to use Hyper Beam, IIRC.

    Also also: this thread gives me the fucking chills. Goddamn.
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    The end of a modern classic.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:19 No.5884872
    Psyduck/Golduck: Water based infantry with basic psychic abilities?
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    And now, some fan art of the greatest hero this world has ever seen.
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    And that's all I got to commemorate such a person.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)13:27 No.5884959

    Personally I'm thinking Psyduck is just an intermediate stage in the development of a Golduck, it has yet to fully develop and as such has only partial usefulness. In the event that they need to muster up a group of aquatic psychics on short notice, then Psyducks will do, but Golduck is clearly the SpecOps esque creature that the eggheads intended: Able to swim into enemy bases, then mindrape the weak willed while being physically adept enough to overpower any Psy-resistant guards, before finally using Hyperbeam on any high value targets in lieu of demolition charges.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:29 No.5884987
    since some of the basic pokemon are kinda crap, yeah it would make sense.
    it's easy and cheap to make psyducks, but after enough time, you get golducks which are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:29 No.5884992


    You are reading the canon prequel to the original Red and Blue, since it clearly show's Oak was Ash's (Red's) father.

    Also, there was that whole apocalyptic war caused by the Skynet Porygons and whatnot going on in that story, which completely fits the thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:31 No.5885007
    ash isnt red.
    we know this because in yellow ash fights red.
    ...i think... ask /v/ they are al pokemon nuts.
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    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:33 No.5885027

    Oh. Sorry about that, then. Still, he is Ash's father, no matter what game it was.

    Besides, it does explain why the world is in such a mess and why there are so few people and tiny towns, and why Oak lurks around the place as a 'Pokemon Researcher', sending people out with pokedexes so that he can secretly observe and make sure there will not be another war like what just occurred in the past.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)13:36 No.5885065
    Honestly this is exactly how I envision Oak is whenever you aren't around. Like the second Ash leaves the room who goes back to muttering about what a dirty fucking traitor Elm is, and how they could have won if it wasn't for him.

    It also explains why he's such a dick to you in Gold and Silver.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:36 No.5885066

    Yeah, I should have totally busted this out at the beginning of the thread, but I didn't get here until the end. Oh well...
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)13:38 No.5885088
    It is my honest opinion that we are all better off as a result of this.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:39 No.5885105

    Probably, but I like the idea of Oak as a Bdass Kllr who doesn't take shit from no one.
    >> LDT-A 09/16/09(Wed)13:40 No.5885117
    Oh and also, Oak isn't sending out Pokedex equipped trainers to ensure another war doesn't start, he's making sure that next time, he will WIN.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:41 No.5885136

    But he did win against the Porygon menace, otherwise, there would be no world to send out trainers into.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:43 No.5885154
    Actually, when I was writing the Elm and Oak conversations,
    I was imagining that now,
    Oak are sending them because he lost all his data,
    and he still want revenge, but he's not an idiot,
    he'll lie, waiting, brooding, plotting.
    and he needs information about all the pokemons,
    or all the pokemons he can get.

    He's trying to figure out a way to get Bill on his side,
    and all the other program creators,
    so finally,
    he can win his war.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:44 No.5885165
    I don't know...

    Red is the PC of the original games, because that was (I believe) the default name. I think it went Red, Ash and Jack or something. And you quite definitely fight him in (and, I suppose as,) Gold.

    If Oak was Red's father then he must be a lecherous bastard, because Blue is his grandson.

    Of course, I've probably missed something in this thread because I'm Captain Retardo at times.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:47 No.5885193

    >If Oak was Red's father then he must be a lecherous bastard, because Blue is his grandson.

    Oak's just a playa, that's all. He deserves some nookie after the hard work of saving the world.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)13:49 No.5885209

    Now they don't. That was the last legacy of the Great War, and it's greatest blessing: The Pokerus. A "doomsday weapon" experiment, attempting to rewire enemy Pokemon into docile creatures, ready to be retrained and used against the enemy.

    Viruses have a nasty tendency to mutate, however- to adapt to their hosts, to spread, easily and without troubles across the world. It started to spread when someone cracked a "black" research facility in the Johto region with a Dugtrio team, killed every last scientist in the place along with just about anything human as the place was Electrode-wired to blow if the enemy got in.

    It didn't kill the diseases they'd been working with, though. A devil's mix of some of the nastiest stuff your little Pokeball-dweller can get. The Crumbles. Gas Plague, the primoridal shit that Gengars evolved from. And custom-designed stuff, pure nightmare fuel.

    All of it dumped out, mixed together, and spewed all over the local ferals, the water table, and smoking up into the skies.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:04 No.5885333

    Yes, something came out of that- cooked together in the electric hell of half a thousand Electrodes. The Rattata carried it into the trenches. You could find in the Pidgeot crap staining the city streets you'd be riding a Ponyta through, or when the feathery fucks would shit on your Rhydon's head during training. Magikarp, in every stream, pond, all over the oceans. Later on, we even found it in the Oddish and Bellsprout pollen, carried on the winds to everywhere and everything.

    Not a Pokemon around was immune to the stuff, from the latest mass gene-scrapes the scientists thought up to the big "Legend" class custom jobs. Inside of a few weeks, every fighting Pokemon on both sides was a twitching, feverish, uncontrollable wreck. An unofficial truce was called, accusations were made of "biological" (hah!) warfare, and there was a lot of praying done. Hell, I spent a week sponging down my Machamp.

    And then it was over. The fever cleared, and if anything our Pokemon seemed better than ever, ready to fight, strong and alive. The truce was over, and we got ready to take on the 110th.

    It was then we discovered what the Pokerus had wrought. One lousy spy got through the lines, riding a Drifloon over at night and dropping in to sabotage the command bunker by rolling a 5-pack of Voltorbs in the slot.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:12 No.5885413
    Times like these I love /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:19 No.5885473

    Only they wouldn't detonate. Duds, right? My Machoke caught the saboteur, had him at the end of one meathook by the head. I gave the kill order. Mach Punch into the wall, same as we'd done a thousand times before.

    Then he just...looked at me. Shook his head. Then as gentle as you please, he just dropped that fucking spy into an empty barrel, crumpled it around him like tinfoil, and left him there.

    I was one of the first to discover what the inital batch of Pokerus did. The war virus was meant to make Pokemon docile towards humans. The mutated version? It made Pokemon look at us as children, innocents, best friends, things to be protected and cared for like we were their own flesh and blood.

    In short, we couldn't use them to kill each other any more. Not a one. Without their Pokemon-weapons, the nations found themselves without a desire to keep fighting. Pokemon were the big part of the armies- the long-range guns, defenses, siege tanks, calvary, even half the fucking medical corps were Chancey or Blissey types.

    A cease-fire was up inside 48 hours. By the end of the week, it'd become a truce. Halfway through the month, it was our first Armistice Day, and the war was -over-. All thanks to the unseen miracle.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)14:38 No.5885642

    Oh, it doesn't mean feral Pokemon aren't dangerous. You run into an old Charizard in the mountains, it'll burn your face off. But anything bonded to a human? They won't kill. The bonding process changed with the Pokerus- tamed Pokemon won't kill anymore- bonded Pokemon or humans. The backlash from it does em in, and the only reason we know that is from a few very unfortunate accidents. Neither will their trainers- not that they can't or won't -hurt- you, but the days of a Pokemon trainer being a one-man killing squad are over forever. Even criminals can't pull it off, not even those sadistic Rocket bastards. It's written into their blood. The Pokerus is still around, too- every now and then, a mutation will show up and re-infect the population. It's good for em.

    So why do we send our kids out in the world with Pokemon? Easy. For all the fighting and competitions and danger, the men and women that grow up with Pokemon don't want what we did- to kill, destroy, take over the world by butchering our fellows and our friends. Or worry about others doing the same.

    Which is why me and this old grey-headed Machamp here run a little gym, in this little town, and help kids like you grow up to be the better people every mom and pop wants their kids to be. So, you brought a Pidgeotto for your debut dance at Grey's Gym? Let's do this, I got a nap scheduled in 15 and ol' Snapper here gets grumpy if we're late.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)15:51 No.5886303
    Would make sense.

    Anyone else have any idea if Oak and Surge would ever meet up in a bar by any chance, and what would happen from it?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)15:54 No.5886328
    You, sir, are awesome.

    Also, goddamn, the thread's hit autosage.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)15:55 No.5886335

    more grimdark
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)15:59 No.5886383
    Page's been archived.

    Good thread, everyone. We going to continue it?
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)16:11 No.5886529
    Snorlax was an experimental pokemon designed to make it useless, even detrimental, if captured by the enemy the enemy. Anyone without the special control rods (now known as pokeflutes) would find their newly acquired Snorlaxes only interested in consuming massive amounts of rations, and sleeping.

    Production of Snorlaxes was quite limited however, as the control rods were quickly reverse engineered by the enemy. rendering the failsafe useless.
    >> Anonymous 09/16/09(Wed)17:45 No.5887651

    Surge would probably rip Oak's head off.

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