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    142 KB Conversionfag Q&A #9001 Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)07:50 No.4786498  
    Going to a festival later tonight with some bros, need to kill time

    ITT - Ask a conversionfag anything

    >Will also possibly deliver some new pics if I can get motivated to work on this inquisitor or paint some Imps or Mahreens
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)07:51 No.4786516
    The best way to make Psyker Battle Squads?

    I've been thinking of converting with flagellants, but I haven't found a box yet to examine.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)07:52 No.4786519
    What should I use to convert Catachan to good looking renegade from lost and Damned?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)07:53 No.4786536
    Appearantly this is pretty popular as an option.

    OP: Greenstuff vs. Brownstuff vs. other putties?
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)07:55 No.4786548
    Flagellants are great if you want a tettered look - I used them for the Eclipsion Terrorguard and my Chaos Cultists.
    If you don't like the actual Psyker models, I'd suggest cheking out other FWB Empire boxes, namely the Archers (also great for plastic Steel Legion) and Battle Wizards. High Elf Archers might also work if you want to give them long coats or robes.
    More of a paint scheme thing there but adding skulls, severed heads, chaos banners, icons, the odd CSM weapon, and a few Chaos Marauder parts should help drive the point through
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)07:56 No.4786562
    Greenstuff atleast in my opinnion, never got a proper feel for anything else, save for my personal blend of fucked up blutac and glue which makes a fine if fragile alternative
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)07:57 No.4786565
    Suggestions on how to make my terminators look as badass as GK terminators without them being GKs
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)07:58 No.4786582

    Right now I've been making a hive world regiment with Cadians + Westwind's separate head system (peaked caps and gasmasks) and I'd probably do that for the Psykers too. Also have some Steel Legion but fortunately they match the army quite well.

    Really, I just want a cheaper option to have a fuckload of psyker squads, since I think it matches the army theme I'm going for.

    Archers might be good for this you say? Any pics?
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)08:03 No.4786611
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    As I consider the GKTermies to be possibly the best models ever, I don't think that's even possible.
    Take GKtermies, arm swap, head swap, paint is what ever scheme you use
    They got pretty cool semi-longcoats and with a bit of GS they look right on the money I think
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:05 No.4786619
    They make me want to make an IG army only with their heads....
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:05 No.4786625
    The High Elf archers also look good. Kudos Scriptarius. A putting the heads on and switching out the arms, maybe some filing or green stuff, and I think that could work as well.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:07 No.4786636
    Scriptarius! You rule at this, I'll ask your opinion.

    Looking to field a Chem-Dog regiment, wondering if you've got any recommendations for usable bits that won't involve Greenstuffing 100+ rebreathers.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)08:11 No.4786658
    sounds like what I had planned to go with the comissar in my 1st post
    Cadian command sprue comes with 5 rebreathers, some pigiron and whatnot heads have rebreathers/gasmasks
    Depending on what you want them to end up like, Necromunda Scavvies (or whoever the plague dudes were), Flagellants + Cadians or Empire Archers + Catachans might end up looking nice
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:14 No.4786675
    My thanks, mighty conversionfag. I've seen the Pig Iron heads, sounds a lot cheaper than buying a huge stack of Command Sprues. I'll have to check out the others, see what I think looks "right". I did have a feeling Catachans would give me the best general body parts.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:14 No.4786677
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    How would you give a IG commander a hat like this?

    pic related
    >> TheWarp !JpnUTrf.3g!!bDkfMyS4JZx 06/06/09(Sat)08:18 No.4786709
    I was thinking on basing an army around the force used to raid 56-Izar in the first Eisenhorn model. From what I hear there used to be an Ordo Xenos codex, but no longer.

    What the redshirt told me could work is if i base it through the SM codex, with a specific converted elite squad that had a similar statline to the deathwatch kill team, a witch hunter/demon hunter inquisitor lord converted to resemble Eisenhorn, and Allied cadians painted as the 56th Gundrite rifles.

    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)08:22 No.4786745
    Hmm... GS job mostly, some Empire models have floppy hats you could base it on
    I'm unfamilliar with the Eisenhorn stories so I can't really say much about this. However, you can't have Imps and SM in the same army as far as I know, only Imps ans GKs
    Best of luck with it
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:24 No.4786760
    >> TheWarp !JpnUTrf.3g!!bDkfMyS4JZx 06/06/09(Sat)08:43 No.4786802
    Ah, Sternguard were the ones, using the Deathwatch Conversion Kit, for appearance.

    The one thing leaving me wondering is would i need an SM troop/hq choice or can i swap both out with allied, since I'm only using the SM codex to get the sternguard as an elite choice?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)08:48 No.4786815
    am working on some now with the Flag models, Forgeworld =][= on their caged heads and all weilding staffs, works well

    used the rest of the models as Wraiths for my Vampire Counts force, so need another box of them now...
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)08:49 No.4786820
    You can take Imps as allies to SM these days?
    Also last I checked you need to take the minimum 1HQ/2troops from the parent codex
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:06 No.4786927
    Selfbump to ask for something nice to listen to while I try to paint something up
    Litany of Fury 7 times in a row isn't doing it for me today
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:19 No.4787004
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:21 No.4787020
    Again, how comes Super Exorcist?

    As the Exorcist is my favorite 40k model, I wish to see the Super Exorcist you were making a while back.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:25 No.4787047
    By birds who carry them via diapers and drop them on people
    Scriptarius cancels convertion - interrupted by wonky credit card
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:27 No.4787061
    Okay, how do I make them almost as awesome as GK Terminators, I'm doing a "counts as" Demonhunters army and whilst by basic infantry looks pretty awesome my Terminators look awfully bland.

    I just need reccomendations on how to make them look more... elite...
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:29 No.4787070
    Straight up GK terms. You can paint them a different color if you want, but Scriptarius is right, they're one of the best things GW's put out there.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:30 No.4787071
    Aah, blast. What a shame.

    Oh well.

    You have anything Orky planned?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:30 No.4787077
    But it kinda defeats the point of not using Grey Knights, plus they will look out of place compared to the rest of my units.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:36 No.4787119
    You're doing (counts as) daemonhunters and GKs look out of place? I'm going to need more info on what look you want. What did you make the rest of the dudes out of?
    Only Da Komissarboss I might do if I ever pick up that stormboy SC
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:43 No.4787170
    It's essentially a super spess mahreen army, gay as that sounds. They're meant to a bying chapter (no apothacaries left) so all that remains are the most elite troops.

    I'm using modified scouts as Stormtroopers, Cadian Heads, Lasguns and a space marine shoulder pad on the left shoulder.

    My "counts as" Grey Knights in Power Armour are a combination of Termy and Normal Space marines each with a Storm Bolter and some kinf of Power Weapon to represent a Nemsis Force Weapon. You'd be surpised how good terminator legs look on a power armoured space marine.

    Grey Knight Terminators wouldn't look out of place as such, it's just that the whole point of the army was I wanted to make it feel... unique... sort of. Also I want to avoid getting GK herladry in my army, people tend to rage if you end up with the symbol of a chapter on an army that isn't that chapter.

    That plus GK Termies are expensive :P
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:45 No.4787183
    Oh and I hate converting metal figures with every fibre of my being.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:48 No.4787198
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    Well they only have heraldry on the shoulder so an armswap fixes that
    As money seems to be an issue I won't suggest making an unit of Calgars (ultimate badass terminator armour)
    Or using de-chaosified Obliterators (HUGE FOR THE HUGE GOD)
    I honestly don't know what to suggest here...
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:49 No.4787210
    Question! How easy is it to chop the arm off of a metal figure!
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:51 No.4787222
    Depending on the pose and thickness of said arm, ranges from simply snipping it off with clippers to FFFFFFFF KHORNE GRANT ME YOUR AXE
    I suggest using a saw or good clippers
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:51 No.4787225
    Also it's not so much getting them to look as awesome a grey knights, just slightly better than the average termy so I can make them stand out more from my basic troops.

    Do you think the odd green stuff loincloth/mantle would do the trick?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:52 No.4787229
    Ever do anything tentacly?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:53 No.4787239
    Thanks, I might use GK Termies for Squad Commanders since I'm guessing they're about as ornate and fuckawesome as terminator armour can get.

    In the mean time I dunno, I'll just festoon them with bitz, I have some of the newish chaos warriors (Fantasy) so I could see if I can stick a cloak onto a Terminator.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:55 No.4787246
    +10 internets for using the word festoon
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)09:55 No.4787247
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    Hmm... Well you could give them all loincloths and capes (see: plastic chaos lord) + bigass weapons and helmetless heads to make like a full unit of heroes, if that'd work
    Quite a bit of my WFB Chaos is tentacly
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:58 No.4787265
    I'd go with a saw
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)09:59 No.4787269
    In my last Dark Heresy the Inquisitor had a right hand man called Scriptarius; a tech priest who could make anything out of anything.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:01 No.4787278
    I read that post 12 times and it still makes me feel warm inside :3
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:08 No.4787309
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    How would I go about converting this guy?

    I'm thinking Chaos Warrior cloak, and then where do I go from there? Some kind of space marine torso perhaps, or is there a carapace armour model I could use?

    Help me make a pimpin' grimdark inquisitor with a power cane.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:10 No.4787314
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    Well you are /tg/ canon anyway Script, and no way could I have snuck in a LCB related quest. I don't think I'm the only Dark Heresy GM to add a little /tg/ to their games.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:11 No.4787320
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    Flagellant lower body
    Cadian body
    GS sleeves
    Cadian hands + any stick
    GS fur
    Any skull mask really
    WFB Empire hat

    Fabius Bile might also make an OK base
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:14 No.4787335
    Awesome, thanks Script
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:14 No.4787337
    Oh man it's been ages since I've had any contact with /tg/canon
    Where are we atm? Last I can recall was that Fuklaw retired from service
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:16 No.4787351
    How does one make convincing GS effects anyway? I'm just starting out and even GSing cloaks is hard enough for me? How can I make convincing hats, fur, or other effects?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:18 No.4787361
    Yeah, Raege has been picking up the slack since then. Fuklaw was pretty pissed at an Imperial childrens show made about him. Khorne also revealed that she is actually really hot.

    Apart from that, not much has happened.

    Macha still hasn't gotten any.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:21 No.4787379
    Sup Scriptarius, I'm doing a Kanak Skull Takers army, with converted fantasy marauders as the basis for the guardsmen, and plenty of Ogryns (converted from fantasy ogres). I want my army commander to be physically bigger than a marauder, but not as big as an ogre. Do you have any idea what model I could use to base this around?
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:24 No.4787395
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    I always found fur to be easy: just place a blob of GS on the are you want fur on, then poke it with a tool and pull up the GS with each poke to make small tufts. Repeat untill the wole blob is covered in tufts
    Also use wet tools and fingers.
    Pic of some GSing
    So Eldrad is still a Wraithlord? Also isn't Creed somewhere in there too these days?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:24 No.4787396
    That's an interesting idea, and one that I was thinking about last week: how would you go about converting a box of Fantasy Ogres into 40k Ogryn? The plastic Ogre bulls from Ogre Kingdoms seem like the most cost-effective option.

    The idea stalled when I couldn't think of what to do for ripper guns. I figure I could try green stuffing pot helmets or something onto the ogres, even flak jackets, but a ripper gun would be too much for me.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:25 No.4787400
    Savage Orc might work, give him some bulked up/lenghtened legs and resculpt the shoulders a bit so his head can be placed on top rather than in front
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:26 No.4787402
    that model looks kinda dusty scriptarius...
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:26 No.4787404
    Creed beat Tzeentch at chess, then replaced the contents of the Hive Fleets' pods with leman russes and stalled the Tyranid advance into the galaxy.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:27 No.4787407
    Ork guns, tank guns + bitz. If you have Legos, they might have some useful bits.
    Tank tops might be easier to make then full flak.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:28 No.4787409
    It is. Had him sitting on a shelf for ages and had no proper tools for cleaning him
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:29 No.4787417
    What sort of sculpting material do you use? I am not having a lot of luck with GW's official green stuff, although admittedly I have backed away from green stuff since my failed attempt at making a Tech Priest from Skubmachine Cryxian worker thrall.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:30 No.4787429
    Cool advice bro, I will try that I think.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:30 No.4787430
    GS only, final destination
    For the GWperor
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:33 No.4787439
    I use very cut-down autocannons from the IG heavy weapon teams. Works well, I've got two squads of six ogryns this way.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:34 No.4787445
    Interesting, I myself have several spare autocannons so I might try this.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:36 No.4787457
    Did it take long to get used to it? I don't think I'm mixing it together right.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:40 No.4787471
    It took a while yes
    After mixing it should look pretty dark green as far as I can tell, maybe you're using too much yellow
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:41 No.4787476
    Hmm could be, I ought to try wetting my hands a bit too I suppose. When I mix GS I always end up making a sticky mess, so I think you're right.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:45 No.4787498
    Wet hands always help
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:49 No.4787507
    How many times do you fap a day and what's your preferred method?
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:49 No.4787508
    There was that weird /tg/ sector threads where they made some weird planets. Didn't really take part in it, not sure if it's /tg/ cannon.

    Also Coop from Megas XLR is Mork and Simon from Gurren Lagann is Gork.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:50 No.4787512


    *smack over the head*
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)10:52 No.4787525
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)10:57 No.4787551
    What the?
    Usualy twice, with a sort of 2-handed spread finger rub
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:00 No.4787571
    Oh, wait, you are Scriptarius. Didn't catch that. Continue, please. I'll just masturbate quietly and fantasize.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:03 No.4787585
    Why do you suck?
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)11:05 No.4787607
    Depending on the field it's either due to lack of training or lack of will to preform well
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:08 No.4787630
    But Coop once solved da problem of creatin’ sumfink dat would eat da universe by shootin’ ANOTHER fin’ dat will eat da rest of da universe destroyin’ eachotha. Dat’z Mork right dere, ya git!
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:09 No.4787637

    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:12 No.4787668
    Hah, I suppose I should have phrased that better. I meant it in a, "Why are you better than me? You suck" way. :3
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)11:19 No.4787719
    Then I guess the answer is reversed
    The best way to overtake someone more skilled is to work harder (or cheat)
    >I prefer the 2nd method, especialy in fights. You don't need to hit that hard if you can dodge like a motherfucker
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:26 No.4787774

    It's always sticky at first, never work with it right after mixing. If you have a shape in mind (such as a section of a coat, or a hat, tubes, anything that is relatively simple for its basic form), get a plastic bag filled with some water (not a lot, you want to be able to flatten it still), stick the GS in there and work it flat from outside of the bag, or into a cylinder, whichever you need. Make sure you are careful with the plastic and don't impress any wrinkles into the GS.

    After that, just keep it inside the bag and loosen it to make sure the GS isn't plastered to the inside. Leave it for 20-25 minutes (this is best in my experience but some people may try sooner or later, it depends on how stiff you want it to be). It will still be flexible, pliable, stretchable, but won't tear or stick to your fingers as easily and you have to push real hard to leave fingerprints. Handle it carefully and use sculpting tools (or even just your exacto or a spare old blade) for when you need to push it against something and make it stick. If you're having trouble getting little details without affecting the shape of the GS (like coat flaps getting warped, and so forth) too much, leave it alone for another 30 minutes once you have it in the position you want. By then the GS will have cured more but still workable with enough pressure. If you want to layer GS, always wait at least 2 hours for the first layer to cure, though it will still be a bit soft you won't have to worry about it mixing with the new one accidentally.

    With other effects, you generally want to to the same plastic bag process but the initial shape isn't as important, like with fur. Depending on what you're making, letting it sit longer or shorter is appropriate. It's just something you get a feel for the more you try it.

    Always keep your hands and tools wet when working with GS.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)11:33 No.4787822
    True, true. But I never think of it as cheating in a fight. There's only ineffective fighting, and effective fighting in my mind. Throwing things in the guys eyes, then punching him in the throat isn't dirty fighting, it's effective.

    However, I do prefer a gentlemans duel, however rare that they are. I can't have a bar fight and end up drinking with the guy I was fighting with anymore. No one wants to take a beating these days. They just pull guns and knives the second they realize the other guy is stronger than them, or after they take the first punch. Such a shame.

    And in this case the reasons you are better are because you clearly have been doing it for some time, or have at least put effort into it, or have just been the type of person to always do things with crafts and your previous skills have overlapped. I have only tried converting something once, and I've never really done anything craft/model related.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)11:39 No.4787863
    Well I only ever made model aircraft before Warhams but started converting right off the bat at 12 or so when I got into the scene
    >Finland is next to none in knife fights (and on occasion, katana fight. I SHIT YOU NOT.) but I try to avoid those situations and only take a stand if I know th eother guy isn't packing anything extra. And even then I dance around him and land small attacks until I feel safe enough to go all out, then either walk away or get my ass handed to me
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)12:17 No.4788173
    What is the single most important piece of advice you could give to people doing conversions?

    What is the failest conversion you ever saw IRL (or at least not on /tg/)? Any stories of hilariously bad models?

    Are you into any rpgs?
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)12:29 No.4788247
    Single best advice? Erm... Hallowed be thy Bitzbox? Honestly I can't single out the SINGLE eternity proverb of converting.
    Failed conversion? Well, not counting Failhorse or the RedBlackGrey marines, it'd probably be the tau battlesuit one guy at my old gaming group had. My god it was a horrible mishmash of god damn everything and some parts were backwards and the paint was unthinned.

    I've done a bit of D&D and AFMBE, would like to give DH a spin but I'm notoriously hard to get to pick up anything new.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)12:33 No.4788275
    Other hilariously bad models include
    -My Moot mini
    -My Cultist-chan mini (also known as the shitting gorgon)
    -The DP of the leader of my old gaming club (cool paintjob, ass backwards conversion involving the Red Terror, a Keeper of Secrets and a Defiler)
    -Vampire Count general I saw in Oxford (Empire parts and think paint a vampire does not make)
    -A marine captain made out of what seemed to be SM, CSM and Tyranid bits, with a katana (backwards Tyranid Warrior tallon...). Also thick paints
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)12:45 No.4788382
    Moot mini?!
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)12:46 No.4788386
    Moot Mini.
    I was not happy with how it turned out.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)12:58 No.4788475
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)13:00 No.4788485
    Do want minimoot
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)13:02 No.4788504
    >My Moot Mini
    >Moot Mini
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)13:11 No.4788554
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    I hate that piece of crap with all my essence and keep it in a box to forever remind me of the horrors of failure.
    It just too damn crap I possibly couldn't-
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)13:12 No.4788567
    Additional note: This isn't the final model, but a WIP photo. I seem to have removed the final photo. Meh. It was crap anyway.
    >> Anonymous 06/06/09(Sat)13:19 No.4788610

    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)13:22 No.4788624
    It sucked even more after I finished the dress and hair...
    Well, still not as bad as Cultist Chan.
    >> Scriptarius 06/06/09(Sat)13:47 No.4788769
    Going to play some vidya, might check back later incase anyone still has questions to ask
    Cheers everyone

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