Psykers however attack in a different way. One must unfortunately forego the rather more directly powerful Moriat starting package and therefore the Moriat Reaper alternate career path in search of a much deeper goal. Taking the Living Nightmare starting package and being sure to take the correct divinations and sanctioning effects, one can easily obtain a willpower on creation of over 50. Spending a mere 1600xp brings this to a willpower of 70. Increasing strength is expensive, costing 4750 altogether, but WS can and should be ignored until rank 4, when one can take the Templar Calix alternate career path. WS can be maxed for 1600, and I certainly hope you maxed it on creation, giving you a hypothetical WS60, SB6 and WP of 70. However, damage is done in a rather different way to the techpriest. With the Force Weapon you recieve, I recommend a Force Axe, if not two of them, and Psy Rating 6, one can do 1d10+15 with a Force Axe; but on top of that, deal wicked d10s of damage through psyker energy through the force weapon.

>>4732383
>>4732386

Both of these options become entirely moot when something as big as a house tears through reality and starts eating souls.

Optimization and power gaming becomes completely useless when you actually need to use your brains to survive rather than your stats sheet.

>>4732383
>>4732386

This os exactly why Dark Heresy sucks.

>>4732394
I'm sure these *fucking horrible* builds could rip and tear anything like that

>>4732408
>Hurr derp

>>4732410
No, it won't. You're looking at DH the same way people look at D&D. This is wrong.

>>4732383
>>4732386
but think about it this way
Psyker one bad roll and your dead...
Tech-Priest your a freak of nature and you find that doing investigation can be really hard so you might not even find an enemy to smash.

>>4732410
Not at all. They're powerful, but there's still one problem. They're human. There's a ceiling on what a mortal man can do. No matter how much True Flesh he has, no matter how vast and powerful his command of the warp and blades are he's still one man in a galaxy filled with terrors. Not only that, but there are threats that can't be fought with conventional means. The gradual fragmentation of your mind, the creeping corruption of the warp, or enemies within the Imperium who can bring armies, superhuman warrior monks or lance strikes to bear.

Don't get me wrong, if you're making a combat focused character then make sure you're up to the business of dealing death, but what you see above is excessive.

>>4732469
I've not read CA but everything statted in the core books (including a max-stats daemonhost and a charnel daemon) would be obliterated by these; plus the OP neglected to either mastercraft or sanctify any of the gear.

>>4732383
>hypothetically
>people complaing that they're hypothetical

>>4732501
Which is why it gets under my skin. The GM has to start pulling out Carnifexes, Greater Daemons and other plain ludicrous threats to threaten such characters in combat. It leads to escalation of the game to realms beyond what it was intended for because some guy analysed the mechanics and made something broken. When you can stare down an unbound daemonhost and not know that your destruction is all but assured then something has gone very, very wrong.

...wait, on the subject of that psyker, if he took the Scholar career path, he could master TWO DISCIPLINES

What the fuck. That means that if he invokes he can cast anything in them that has a threshold less than 12 without rolling any dice, and a threshhold of 17 if he corpus conversions too.

Goddamnit /tg/.

>>4732501
things in the corebook are not that weak...i have CA and i run Ordo Xenos and i can tell you if i dropped a lictor on his head or a squad of Dire Avengers he'd be hurting...

>>4732560
Also power well and discipline mastery for a threshold of like 20 without having to roll A SINGLE DICE

GOD

DAMN

>>4732564
>things in the corebook
>lictors

>>4732564
Lictors aren't in the core rulebook and are pretty much autocannon fodder. A squad of Dire Avengers would probably kill one of these guys solo, but if there were 3-4 of them they'd probably have a good chance.

>>4732565
Psykers have to roll at least one die to manifest a power. It's in the errata.

>>4732587
>>4732570
i never said they were in the Core i said i have CA.,Creatures Anathema.
i was just saying that the demons inside the corerule book are not that weak like someone said. sorry if im not making myself clear i havnt had my cup of coffee yet.

>>4732588
Aww. Isn't there a talent that lets you ignore the first 1 you roll so long as you roll half your psyrating of dice though? These characters are only any good at 10000-15000xp anyway so it'll be an option.

>>4732621
There is, it's in Disciples of the Dark Gods and I believe it's only available as an Elite Advance and thus for a load of XP, time, effort and at the GM's discretion.

Those builds still terrify me. I'm very glad that I'll never, ever have to deal with them in an actual game.

>this thread

Anyone read Dark Mechanicus? With the two Arch-magi duking it out? Yeah, I can totally see AdMech Priests being godly melee fighters. Even Alaric (Grey Knight Justicar) didn't think he had much chance against either of them up close.

Also, Castigator and the Investigator Techpriest for the win. Fucking fantastic read.

"Heretics Die. the Faithful Live on. You do not." *CRUNCH*

Huh, I'm already having problems with giving my players hard time.. 'Cause Imperial-guardsman has a power-longsword and feral one has an eviscerator.
Them guys be owning.

>>4732646
I only made them as a horrible hypothetical. Also errata: techpriest gets 5 attacks on account of dual wielding and servo arm.

>>4732672
I remember that. It's what made me terrified of tech-priests to deal with.

>>4732693
What sort of missions are they embarking on? A power sword I can see as being disguiseable as a regular blade, but an eviscerator is a massive, glowing warning sign for any heretics in the area.

>>4732672
I have not. Do want, though.

>>4732708
Power longswords are pretty fucking huge, you'd have trouble looking inconspicuous with one.

>>4732501
A Unbound Demonhost will not fight in close combat , it will mindrape the techpriest into analfisting the Psyker

>>4732718
Depends. A longsword is, I'm assuming, a standard sword. Unless he meant it's a GREATsword (a full 2 handed deal) in which case yeah, it's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

>>4732719
Power armour gives the wearer added speed, so the techpriest should be able to charge about 18m; as well as that I would expect the character to have good quality bionic locomotion so he might get there even faster.

>>4732719

dual powerfist analfisting , roll for anal circumference

>>4732739
It can fly, it can turn invisible, it probably has the powers of GM fiat.

>>4732746
Naw, cheating to kill players isn't fair. Throwing horrible monsters at them is fine if they come up with what the OP suggests, but doing a "lol u ded" as you're suggesting isn't ever cool.

>>4732708
they're currently traveling into a warzone, to find a certain female their inquisitor wants for reasons unknown.
Besides, they are the guns of the group. They fuck shit up.

>>4732738
No, a power longsword (detailed in the IH, I can't find the page) is a 2-handed deal which does 1d10+6... which now that I look at it isn't really worth the extra 1000gelt for a heavier weapon that takes 2 hands and simply does one extra damage. You'd be better off with a hellpistol or something.

>>4732754

Thats not cheating, it can literaly fly and turn invisible. And sense you long before you arrive , read your mind ....

That is not a DnD Monster, it is fucking scary and will rape your group if you are not ,realy good and lucky. And by good I do not mean minmaxing and combat strategy but rather beeing prepaired and use your head

ITT: Why D&D and D&D players suck.

>>4732761
Then all concerns of subtlety are off. Enjoy your combat.

>>4732746
My point is that the GM isn't constrained by the daemonhost creation rules. He can make it more or less powerful, invent whole new powers and so on. Which he will do if he wants to make sure that his players are actually terrified by the prospect of facing an *unbound daemonhost* in combat like any mortal servant of the Emperor would be as opposed to "don't worry, one round in melee and this'll be sorted, chaps."

>>4732779
>DM fiat
>not cheating

>>4732770
hell guns are balls...its an intermediate weapon better then your standard lasgun/autogun nothing compared to your lovely bolter, honestly i would just stick with a 2 hand power sword plus its more badass then a hellgun

>>4732770
Longsword
1d10 + 6 + SB 5 + Crushing Blow 2 = on average, 18 points of damage, with PEN of 6.

Eviscerator
1d10 (Tearing) + 10 + SB 5 + Crushing Blow 2 = on average, 24,5 points of damage, with PEN of 5.

They both have Swift Attack and if I remember correctly, other has a counter attack or some similar talent...

>>4732890
tearing doesnt mean add both rolls together it just means you roll twice and pick the higher

>>4732835
Hellpistol and power sword is what I meant. Power longswords aren't great, are impractical (ie they make you look like Cloud Strife), and are only a little better mechanically.

>>4732899
You are dumb. It does 1d10+10+SB damage.

>>4732693
dude my feral guardsman runs around dual wielding combat shotguns :( and my arbitrator has taken love of shotguns to a new level always carrying around two ironclaws because he doesnt want to be bother with reloading...my friends are obsessed with shotguns lol but i nerf them sooo hard its funny they barely ever get to run around shotguns blazing, im always given them their equipment or setting RoE for each mission.

DH for idiots.

When the techpriest becomes a power-armoured buzzsaw on wheels with integrated lascannon, you need to punch up the odds...

...without resorting to demons and huge things...

...cultists, traitors. Lots of them. Heavy weapon teams. Multiple heavy weapon teams. Kill zones, traps. Collapse buildings on them. Sabotage lifts. Use PC tactics against the PC's.

>>4732383
>>4732386
¯\(ಠ_ಠ)/¯

>>4732905
Oh you. Cloud Strife my ass, ever seen non-anime long or great swords?
Pic related.

>>4732946
Always a good idea. A renegade secutor and his allies would be a powerful threat. Or a whole team of secutors if the PCs have dipped into the realm of Tech-Heresy.

>>4732960
No that isn't the longsword's definition in Dark Heresy. A power sword is the length of a normal longsword. A power longsword is is more like a power-doppelhander. Only retardedly big weapons (ie thunder hammers and eviscerators) demand 2 handed wielding in Dark Heresy, and the power longsword isn't an exception, it's just a slight misnomer.

>>4732915
check the core pg 129...
TEARING
>"Tearing weapons are vicious devices, often using multitudes of fast-moving jagged teeth to rip into flesh and bone. These weapons roll two dice for Damage and choose the highest."

and the Errata 2.0 has on pg 9...

>"The entry for Tearing on page 129 should read: 'Tearing weapons are vicious devices, often using multitudes of fast-moving jagged teeth or fragmented or explosive ammunition to rip into flesh and done. The weapons roll one extra die for damage, and the lowest result is discarded.'"

>>4732693

Eviscerators are commonly wielded by Ministorum priests in the heat of battle. What sort of cult are they infiltrating, cult of the FUCKING EMPEROR?

>>4732994
Eviscerator makes 1d10+10, Pen 5, TEARIN damage.
Hope to clear things up.

>you also equip powerfists on each hand and your gun mechadendrite,

Is that 3 powerfists?

>>4732983
Remember DH isn't D&D! If you're playing an high powered game, you don't need to follow the "D&D" concept of 1 attacker, 1 artillery and 3 minions.

It's DARK HERESY! You don't let your men fight a demon and a wizard!
Your men FIGHT 200 CULTISTS IN THE SEWERS! EXPLOSIVE GAS! SEWER CROCODILES/MAGGOTS! THAT'S WHAT DARK HERESY IS ABOUT!

Thing about max level characters is that they get retired. Really, Dark Heresy is not the kind of game that lends itself to this sort of thing.

>>4733025
you mean 2d10 lol i thought you were rolling twice for damage sorry just checked the IH damage 2d10 those eviscerators are dam powerful

>>4733023
So, what you are saying is that the ONLY kind of missions Acolytes can do is infiltration? That's it? Nothing else?
Woah, I think you're missing a whole little world of opportunities in DH.

>>4733052
Read the Errata. It's 1d10+10.

>>4733046
Yep. Also, and not that I like exploiting RAW, but one could have powerfists as a concealed weapon bionic if they wished.

For added suspense in your DH game, use detachable gear for the Techpriest.

This way he can use torture tools for investigation, concealed weapons for infiltration, and lascannons and powerfists for attacks.

Raise the heat by ambushing the PC's when they're conducting torture, infiltration or investigations.

>>4733047
yeah my dudes just fought a rogue trader on his ship they fought over 100 scum/recidivist/rating characters with some house rules for sped up combat any wounds to the body or head on those bad guys is death/any wounds on the arms and legs the bad guy was crippled...it was pretty fun and really bloody like the dead were pulled up high and there were only 6 pc and a npc with them.

>At high levels, techpriests and psykers are the hypothetically best melee fighters.

Because the other classes primarily use GUNS!

>derp

>>4733064

Obviously not, but I've read far too much about games on war worlds. No subtlety, combat only, final destination etc etc. Some missions make you dress in frills and speak with a funny accent. For others you strap on your carapace armour, adorn yourself in purity seals and heft the biggest gun you can manage. There just seems to be a worrying trend of people just going for the latter.

>>4732386
>>4732383

You know something? All I'm gonna do is give these guys powers of chaos and then throw them at my players.

They're screaming for your blood in their subconsciouses right now.

>>4733091
...But you can have most of them equipped at once. Maybe not a lascannon and 2 powerfists, but if you have bulging biceps you can firelascannons one-handed.

>>4733075
oh shit thats even better sorry i didnt know my guys are shooty types

>>4733102
You know why? Influx of retard D&D kiddies. "LAWL I WANTZ TO BE TEH UBARLORD WAT U MEAN I CANT RUSH IN TEH COMABATZ?"

>>4733109
I feel like my mathhammer was worthwhile now.

OP here; I'd like to add that I am in /no way/ condoning these characters under most circumstances. "Builds" have no place in Dark Heresy.

>>4733127
Oh fuck you. You guys are BAAAAWINb because a guy uses a gear that makes shit die. Bolters do that. Grenade launchers do that. Flamers do that.
Besides, who the fuck says he carries it with him all the time? Maybe he leaves some of his stuff back in their base or where ever.
Stop being elitist-pricks.

>>4733102
Survival horror is in some ways a subcategory of the second gametype, but is also an entirely acceptable way to play Dark Heresy.

>>4733167

That's nice of you, but you've opened the forbidden tome and given your lecture. Hundreds of young, impressionable fools have heard your words and failed their willpower checks. The masses have been tainted, and the heresy that shall follow is of your doing.

>>4733187
You shut up. Dark Heresy is about HERESY, INVESTIGATION and TORTURE.

It isn't about SHIT FUCKING BLOWS UP MAN WHAT THE FUCK.

If Dark Heresy was about SHIT FUCKING BLOWS UP MAN WHAT THE FUCK it was called Space Marine.

Guys with weapons < Mutants with fear-rating.

>>4733192
That it is. Most serious combat encounters in Dark Heresy tend to be about horror and survival anyway. It's more fun to spring scenarios on groups who weren't expecting to face large amounts of death dealing monstrosities, though. Or go Tattered Fates style and have the group stripped of their gear, the psyker drugged so he can't use his powers and the tech-priest's systems tainted by rogue machine spirits. It's just the acolytes, some dirty rags and whatever sharp, pointed objects they can find in a maze filled with similarly desperate people, cyborg killers and other horrors.

>>4733208
For you are the Arch-Heretic Lord Demagogue OP, and all who hear your call shall be captivated by your promises of power.

>>4733238
Guys with 40 insanity points and MASSIVE GUTS > anything with a fear rating of 1 or 2

>>4733228
Missed the point completely.
So you're fine if a Guardsman who is a fucking Storm Trooper, uses a fucking musket as a weapon? No, seriously, fuck you. Troll. You fucking had me.

>>4733291
Playing a Storm Trooper is something completely different from a D&D faggot who wants an Acolyte with an Heavy Bolter and a Power Fist.

>>4733102

What about missions which are supposed to be nice easy cakewalks, only to go HORRIBLY WRONG, with ghosts, tau secretly running a hive, the Planetary Governor worships Slaanesh (the orgies and the fact that he's the size of Baron Harkonnan should have been a clue) a secret chaos lab once run by Fabius Bile, insurrection, mutants everywhere and it all ends in Exterminatus and escaping in a ship from the 3rd millenium - which is possibly HUGE tech-heresy.

The thing you guys are forgetting, is that in scale of 40K, these guys are still nothing.
They can tear through cultists.
They can kill some deamons.
In the end, there's still millions and billions of others who could do this shit better.

>>4733323
>ship from the 3rd millenium

Does it have true AI? If so you best rig it to blow and pretend that you never found the thing.

>>4733317
Very much this. There is a time for heavy bolters and power fists, but it shouldn't be your standard loadout. Even nobles and their bodyguards don't lug that sort of stuff about with them. Hell, professional killers and mercenaries don't either.

>>4733317

See, it's been four weekends since starting out, and I gave one of my boys a power fist on the third weekend and a heavy bolter this weekend. That was so I could show them just how little that really means when the Inquisitor they've been looking for came 'round looking like a twist with all of his retinue as daemonhosts. So they're currently running for their lives, and all is well.

>>4733317
So buying an Eviscerator = DnD kid? That's what bothers me.
It's even fluffy, dangeous to the wielder and it doesn't magically render the user invincible against fire from a far. Hell, it doesn't actually quarantee that a lucky cultist won't kick your ass in melee.

>>4733375
There's been a miscommunication, I suspect. Having an Eviscerator is fine. Hell, it's potentially awesome. But if he was lugging it around all the time, regardless of his mission, would be stupid and foolish.

>>4733371
Good times. Until somebody makes the above Secutor and charges into melee. Success doesn't matter, that shit just isn't on.

>>4733371
Heavy bolters are shit anyway. Have you looked at the range increment?

>>4733375
I'm not saying that an Eviserator is a bad idea.

I'm saying that playing a Acolyte that's dualwielding Bolt Pistols and has carapace armour and an Eviserator, and an auspex and an powerfist is a bad idea.

And that's exactly how you play D&D.

Fine.
Go ahead and make your super characters. I'll GM for you.

Your Inquisitor takes notice of your incredible combat abilities and assigns you to incredibly difficult missions as a result.
Like, I don't know, planting a precision beacon inside a heretic stronghold on a Daemonworld so that a Grey Knight Strike Cruiser can make hit-and-run.
Or going to a planet in the middle of tyranoformation in order to record the process of advanced infestation.

You raise the level, your GM raises the level.

>>4733412
120m? Shoots without penalty at ranges up to 240m? Gets +10 to hit at distances of 60m or less?

>>4733368
>Does it have true AI? If so you best rig it to blow and pretend that you never found the thing.

We thought for a session that this MIGHT be the case, you see, the ship didnt really start talking to us until we were in orbit and the planet we'd just come from had started being Exterminatused.

Eventually however I got into the computer room, where it transpired that there was nothing artificial about the ships intelligence, as the computer turned out to be a Navigator Psyker mentally plugged into the core.

So basically it's like a super servitor that governs an entire (tiny) ship.

I don't need to tell you how releived this made me, being the parties Tech Priest and all.

>>4733436
Yeah it's a 20m range increment. Check out the back of the 2nd edition IH, the appendix, it's given as the updated figure.

The range on one is less than pretty much any pistol, it eats 160 thrones a round, and isn't even great for damage. The thing is a piece of shit.

>>4733448
Congratulations, you most likely possess a holy relic. It might not measure up to (the safe) Dark Age of Technology standard, but getting to eyeball sanctified technology that old should be making your mechadendrites lock up and your bionics leak.

>>4733462
No, it's range increment is one hundred and twenty meters. The IH appendix is misprinted. You could interpret it as a change by the writers, but then you'd be a massive fucking idiot. Look at the table top game; heavy bolters fire further than bolt pistols. They did in Inquisitor. They do according to the core rulebook.

>>4733465
>mechadendrites lock up and your bionics leak
Is this like an erection for techpriests?

>>4733485
As much as I'd say common sense denied it, the range increment given in the IH is the one that you're supposed to follow.

>>4733462
>Heavy bolters are shit.

>Derp.

>>4733511
Unless you're in a massive firepower and money campaign (WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T BE IF YOU ARE PLAYING DARK HERESY) you won't be able to fire the heavy bolter for more than a few rounds without having your house reposessed.

>>4733465

Well, truth be told, it probably isn't going to let that happen, as the inquisitor has flat out ordered us to take the thing to the nearest forge world and have it's memory scrubbed.

It didn't like that.

What I think it's going to do (because I suggested it to it, in the name of expediancy, and keeping myself alive.) was that it docks with the forge world (or a space station in the system) fakes a horrifically fatal radiation leak or critical core meltdown, has us run to the safety of the station, detatch itself and run off, possibly faking it's own thermonuclear demise as it goes.

The tech priests are going to have to console themselves with a 31st millenium era meltagun in pristine condition, along with an Astartes Boltgun that a human can fire semi-auto without ripping off his arm.

I figure that will keep them happy enough to fit me up with a secutor array and some mechadandrites. Maybe some sweet pistols to attatch to said 'drites.

>>4732383
Purge the unpurgable,
Cleanse the uncleansable ...

>>4733570
Have you learned nothing from this thread? Power fists go on mechadendrites!

>>4733576

Fatigue the Defatigueable
See the Invisible
Sink the Unsinkable
Divide the Indivisible

>>4733598

On melee 'drites, not Gun 'drites, which can hold any kind of pistol if you have a Secutor array, not just a laspistol.

Besides, I've seen what happens when idiots get into close combat with an Ork with a powerclaw, I'm not retarded enough to try that.

Seriously, those fucking idiots. We've got boltguns and you want to charge the Orks?

Retards.

>>4733525
Actually a game that revolves around noblehouses can be quite fun.
With money and contacts, of course your servants will be carrying the best quality weapons.

>>4733601
Row, row. Fight da Chaos.

>>4733614
I also add that there isn't any clarification on how many mechadendrites you can have; so you'd be fine with inferno pistols and power fists.

Powergaming in Dark Heresy is like headbutting a rhinoceros.

>>4733698

I'm pretty sure that the limit is 8. At least, the pictures I've seen show there being 8 ports for dandrites.

Besides, an Optical 'drite and Utility 'drite would come in hand too.
I am basically the only guy in the party with non-combat skills of any kind. (I had to work at getting a 47 int and +20 tech use dammit!) so I don't really need to be too combat oriented.

>>4733570
Heretic!

As a techpriest you should tell the ship to go somewhere where the AdMech can safely fetch it without needing to scrub its memory, and give it the worship and maintenence it so richly deserves!!

>>4733747
and winning

>>4733828
True. You should be trying to persuade it to let you pick it up later, as this shit would be bananas and would probably net you so many PROMOTIONS that not even the Inquisition would be able to touch you.
Remember the AdMech flatly refuses to let the Inquisition touch it's shit, and the Inquisition is constantly trying to get around them as politely as possible. If you can get this ship into the hands of the AdMech quietly, you win forever.

What I can't stand is when GM's say 'My characters have a Maimstabber +30 and a Blessed & Sanctified Asspuncher, so now they're fighting overclocked flesh-golem-brain-cyber-demons because everything else is too easy'.

They have that stuff because YOU GAVE IT TO THEM.

Don't say 'They saved up their thrones/gold/credits and bought it'. They still had to fucking FIND one. If your players have overpowered gear, it's because you're too crappy a GM to say no, or you're bribing them so they'll keep playing. The 'good stuff' in DH (and in any game, in my opinion) takes weeks to track down. Anything you can't find at the local Army Surplus store (anything rarer than Common), requires a bit of investigation and travel.

I'm not saying you should be stingy and never let your players get ahold of good equipment, but they should earn it. Fight for it. Make a damn quest out of tracking down that Very Rare force sword or megabolter, it's supposed to take weeks or even months to find it, for crying out loud. And chances are, the person that owns it is unlikely to part with it because it's the ONLY ONE THEY HAVE EVER SEEN.

What's that? The players killed the owner and took it? They've just committed that CRIME OF THE CENTURY on that planet. The locals will be talking about that for YEARS. Arbitrators will seek them out, hits will be placed. Afterall, that was the only Power Greatsword on the planet, the sign of office of the Vatayan High Planetary Governor.

>>4733698
Yes there is a limit, it's equal to your toughness bonus.

General DH discussion:

In a strange twist of fate, I've ended up with 200,000 thrones. So far I've spent them on (all Best quality) a boltgun and 120 bolts with lots of modifications, an autogun with lots of modifications, a hellpistol & a stub revolver with 12 manstopper bullets and 12 dumdum bullets. I also got xeno mesh armour, a cameleoline cloak, infra-red goggles and a multikey, leaving me with only 184,454 thrones.
Now, the person who gave me the money is probably going to come and repossess it and the items I've got pretty soon, so, while I still can, I'm going to leg it to a Mechanicus/Medicae facility and attempt to get some implants. Other than an auger array, what could be especially useful? I'm a Scum, btw, so no mechadendrites, unfortunately.

>>4734167
Tell us how you got this money. That you're a scum and some comeuppance is on the way intrigues me.

Also, xeno mesh? Shit is heretical, man.

>>4734190
Me and another character have just joined the game. We arrived on the planet, not knowing yet that we were there because the Inquisitor wanted us to be.
Me met this annoying noblewoman, who seems to be after the Inquisitor. She gave us 200,000 each, possibly to entice us to her side. Needless to say, we aren't on her side, so ran with the money and bought shit. We aren't on the Inquisitor's side either, though, but have just met the main group of acolytes. We're going to make a run for it, buy some implants, I personally need to find a tailor, too, then we'll consider meeting the acolytes.

>>4734290
Some noblewoman just gave you 200 large each? That's an astronomical fortune, and even the nobility wouldn't scoff at such vast sums of gelt. Either your GM has goofed or something's up.

>>4734313
>or something's up.
Yep, I think it is. This woman has been dreadfully unclear about how she knows who we are and what her purposes are. Eventually, we covered her head in melta-gel and threatened to set it alight. We don't think she'll be bothering us again, but will probably cancel the money. We need to try to get it out in cash before anything else.

>>4734341
Well then. You're an outcast of society. You've been given truly staggering amounts of money. Get as much of it converted to other forms of wealth and squirrelled away. There's also the question of why you haven't descended into outright decadence, unless you're a strong willed sort.

>>4734421
Just because I follow the Scum path doesn't mean I'm an outcast of society. Back at home, I was the leader of a powerful gang. Of course, that means nothing here, but this is a big city in a warzone so people have other things to care about. Currently, I'm in gang clothes, which is why I need to get to a tailor pretty soon.

Also, buying a ton of guns isn't decadent? I've bought plenty of obscura and stimm, too. And, hey, it's still morning. Who knows what I might get up to when night rolls round?

>>4734488
>doesn't mean I'm an outcast of society
>I was the leader of a powerful gang

You had no place within the Imperial Hierarchy, you're an outcast. That said, criminals in the Imperium can get stupidly rich if they play their cards right. It's one of the few ways the common man can hope to ever taste luxury in his lifetime.

But good to hear that you've living it up. Just by wary of attracting the wrong kind of attention. Not the authorities, no. The approving sort which will try and take you into a back room and show you what decadence is all about.

OP gets in a firefight with a bunch of cultists that managed to loot an autocannon off a PDF base. He did not foresee the attack, so he's not wearing his power armour because it's only got enough juice for 5 hours (at best.)

They get really lucky with full-auto mode. 3 shots hit. He is dead before he can cover the 300m range of the cannon to use his overpriced power fists, as he takes 3 hits for 3d10+5 damage, at penetration 4.

A green cultist with a 1000 throne gelt heavy weapon, Heavy Weapon Training (SP), and a BS of 34 just took out your Magos with many thousands' gelt worth of gear and years of experience, because you rolled an 81 for awareness. How does this make you feel?

>>4734818
Seen as it's an entirely impractical character, pretty indifferent.

>>4734488

Oh, SHIT.

>>4734512 Dude, your GM is going to pull this. What's nastier than having a noblewoman 400,000 to (How many are there in your group?) thrones poorer with all her money, extended family, their money, and whatever arbites, Judges, mercs, hitmen, criminal syndicates, and Ex-Imperial Guardsmen money can buy PLUS a very, very pissed off inquisitor with all his power, retinue, and contacts PLUS the holy Ordos on your asses?

A Slaaneshi Cult that wants all of you for their own designs. Bad.

Run. Just run. Get off-planet, and start hopping from place to place. Your safest locations now are probably on those 30-week warp jumps from sector-to-sector. Man, get the hell out of there. I fear for you.

>>4735018
What? Threatening a noble and running off with their money was a bad idea? Insulting an inquisitor was also a bad idea? Next thing you'll be saying that spitting in the face of a mob boss is a bad idea. Or that spray painting heresies and insults on a Sister of Battle transport was a bad idea. Oh. Was shooting a space marine chaplain in the back of the head with a stubber a bad idea? He didn't die if that helps.

>>4735069

WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD YET?

>>4734488
Hooooookay. So you've robbed a noblewoman of a HUGE amount of cash. You then threatened to kill her. You insulted an Inquisitor. You have no legal standing within the imperium. You are on a foreign planet you've never seen before. You are wearing easily identifiable clothing. And you are going around waving large quantities of money in seedy shops.

Does this sum up your current situation?

Also are you carrying around a suitcase full of money?

>>4735098

GM´s choice ....

some GM are way to nice for dark heresy

You should have killed the noblewoman.

Granted, there'll still be plenty of people on your ass anyways, but at least... oh, fuck, I don't have a rationale for this, other than, y'know, killing good, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

>>4735197
excuse me, you forgot I HAS POWEFISTS AND POWER ARMOUR AND POWER POWER AND I KILL IN MELEE AND HEADBUTT RHINOCEROS FOR WIN

>>4735289
Maybe he's in a perfect storm. He's pissed off SO many people that there's a bottleneck as to who gets to shoot at him first.
Arbites: Want him dead because he's an offworld ganger.
Inquisitor: Want him dead because he double crossed the inquisitor.
Sisters of Battle: Want him dead because he's been buying heretical equipment on the planet.
Noblewoman: Wants him dead for humiliating her. And stealing her money.
Random people on the street: Just want the HUGE PILE OF MONEY he's rumored to have. They might shoot him just see if he has the money on him at the time.

He should be easy to find, wearing off world gang colors. Just look for the guy wearing the bright red/yellow/blue/whatever jumpsuit.

>>4735490
My god.
This could be the funniest thing ever.
They all start killing each other over who gets to kill him, and he walks out unscathed.
That is Epic Awesome Assholery.

Hey, Scummmer, I found something that isn't in your price range.

How much is a small ship in Dark Heresy? Something a rogue trader would start off with?

>>4735646
a small ship a RT would start with is probably half a mile long or so. And it would be Expensive, with a capital E. And impossible to get.

>>4735692

The answer is HIJACK.

>>4735692
Soooo... 195,000 thrones?

>>4735646
In the upcoming Rogue Trader game you'll have a ship, yes. Wealth will also be abstracted because, as a Rogue Trader and his ship/fleet, you're dealing with unimaginable levels of money. Void ships are things which only the nobility can even think of buying, and even then it'll cost them dearly.

Scum should be hunted by everyone and shot to death

That, or he should buy 2 powerfists and a mechadendrite with another power fist on it and some power armour

>>4735709
a facepalm for you, kind sir.

>>4735723
i don't know how does it work in D&D country, but back when i'm from spaceships in dh are pretty fucking rare and expensive. Your 200k would buy you shit. Get a grip on, a couple crates of weapons would be worth more. Also, considering you have the couple dozen mil you need, the problem is - where the fuck do you find a ship for sale?

200,000thrones person here.
I haven't insulted the Inquisitor I'm supposed to be working for yet, as I haven't met him. When I do, I'll be all like "oh yeah I've been looking for you for ages man! yeah how's it going yes i'd love to work with you."

>>4735490
>Just look for the guy wearing the bright yellow/blue jumpsuit.
GET OUT OF HERE VAULT DWELLER

Steal a ship (without leaving witnesses), sell it somewhere outside Imperial space, use money to buy a ship from wherever the fuck ships are sold at (a legitimate market, so you can still be a part of the Imperium).

>>4735592
>200,000 thrones
>something costing 30,000 thrones
>not in pricerange.
Wa- Ohh, I c wat u did thar.

>>4735810
Because everyone wants to work for an Inquisitor. Get off world, get away from the Inquisitor, get to some backwater and enjoy your easy retirement. Buy a villa or something, get facial surgery, buy a new identity. Everyone in the Imperium, especially scum, realise that working for the Inquisition eventually means death, and you're no exception to this.

>>4735845
Fuck. I'm not braining very good today.

>>4735860
It's also a chance for spiritual redemption, assuming your character cares about that. When you die and find yourself stood before the Big E you can say "look at the tasks I carried out in your name." And he'll smile, give you a big thumbs up and you can go off to whatever paradise your local version of the Imperial Creed promised you.

>>4735860
>facial surgery

Sure, that's going to help if the Inquisition come sniffing after you with a psyker.

>>4735723
You would also need a Charter, or you would probably end up being considered a pirate.

If I remember rightly, they either no longer make Charters or they take years of strenuous effort to acquire and cost fucking billions.

>>4735860
I'm pretty sure step 1 is "Stop buying heretical equipment while wearing bright offworld gang colors."

Nobody will remember some schmo off the street who comes in a few times and finally buys something. They will remember some guy wearing a bright red jumpsuit and bandana and dumps a huge pile of brand new coins and buys the most expensive items in the shop.

>>4735069
>>4735098
Somebody has a Lord of Change seriously wanting to impregnate him.

Enjoy your tentacles.

>>4735980
Currently, I'm wearing black leather. I'm going to buy a suit in the local style. So far, I have only been to an illegal market where they don't care about who I am anyway. Once I've got new clothes and can pass off as a local, I'll get more stuff, assuming my money is still available.

Anyway, the Arbites were after us for a reason unconnected to the money. I've met the main group of acolytes now who are also fighing the Judge and a couple of other arbiters. Hopefully, they can provide me with some protection, until I actually meet the inquisitor and get the rosette and shit myself.

>>4735490
It's like Smokin' Aces only in 40K.

In b4 BLOODFORBLOODGOD! cultists show up with Eviscerators, Metal Armor, and a serious axe to grind.

>>4732383
>get the rosette and shit myself.

The acolytes have rosettes? Your GM is fucking cracked.

>>4736119
Err, not rosette. The thing that acolytes have. I forget the name. It's in the core rulebook.

>>4736139
Acolytes don't get shit usually. If they're lucky they've got a nice letter which tells people who they work for and instructions not to use it unless absolutely necessary. There's the thing that Legate Investigators have (when their Inquisitor deems it necessary), but that's in the IH.

>>4732386

im playng a pyromancer not unlike this. hes very fun, i never actually hit anyone with my force weapon. i just burn them.

>>4732383
This is my next PC.

>Two characters, one Scum and another.
>Using money that isn't theirs to buy and do anything they want.
>Preparing to get the fuck out before everyone comes after them.

Fear and Loathing in the Calixis Sector.

>>4736576

We were somewhere around Fenksworld when the drugs began to take hold.

>>4736583
No use telling the poor bastard about the furies. He'll see them soon enough.

>>4736583
"God-Emperor, what are these fucking daemons?!"

>>4736629

Bazooko's Circus is what the whole Imperial world would be doing Saturday nights if Horus had won the war. This was the Eye of Terror.

>>4736662

When I came to, the general underhive ambience of the suite was so rotten, so incredibly foul. How long had I been lying there? All these signs of violence. What had happened? There was evidence in this room of excessive consumption of almost every type of drug known to civilized man since M32. What kind of addict would need all these lho sticks and crushed belly-churn packs? Would the presence of cultists account for all these uneaten grox jerkies? These puddles of glazed machine oil on the bureau? Maybe so. But then why all this amasec? And these crude pornographic picts smeared with styger milk that had dried to a hard yellow crust? These were not the hoofprints of your average God Emperor-fearing junky. It was too savage. Too Khornate.

is this battletoads

I don't even have to really edit this one.

"There he goes. One of the God-Emperor's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."

If the pigs were gathering in Scintilla, I felt the radical culture should be represented as well. And there was a certain bent appeal in the notion of running a savage burn on one Sibellus hotel, and then just wheeling across the hive and checking into another. Me and a thousand ranking Redemptionists from all over the sector. Why not? Move confidently into their midst.

>>4733448
I've never understood exactly why the very thought of AI is so scary to Techpriests, aside from dogma. the difference between Machine Spirits and AI is kind of vauge in the cases where the Spirit isnt based on harvested/grown neural tissue.

You'd think a standard Techpriest would hesitate to purge a piece of heretical archaeotech if, just before he turns on the compactor, it prints out "I'M SCARED" on a readout screen.

>>4736961
The terror of AI is that it mimics human intelligence without a soul to govern it. This lead to the rise of the Iron Men during the Dark Age of technology. The nature of a machine spirit is not true sentience, though the definition is vague and contested in fluff. Think of it as a representation of we would understand as programming. Simples machines can only perform very basic functions. Advanced machines are capable of far more complex tasks, exceeding human capability but falling short of true sentience.

>>4736961
Because human AI in 40k tend to result in really bad shit happening.

Tau and Necrons don't suffer this effect, though.

>>4737021
Tau don't have true AI. They might have very advanced computers, but nothing with actual "I think, therefore I am" sentience. As for Necrons, most are mindless machines. The Lords, however, could be considered true AI, though formed in a strange way. They were once mortal, living creatures that had their flesh and souls stripped from them. Looking at the Necrons you can comprehend why Iron Men are one of the greatest tech-heresies known to mankind.

>>4737010
But as I understand it, the "soul" in 40K exists as little else than a tasty snack for Chaos, rather than the wonderful metaphysical organ of empathy and creativity usually meant by the term. No one in 40K seems to use theirs for such, anyway.

On the other hand, I just realized how one can wax philosophic about the nature of souls and sentience, and ask questions about "can an AI have a soul?" in a universe where souls Dont actually exist in a literal sense, but merely serve as a metaphysical construct. While in 40K, this is...not the case. You can DAMN WELL SEE the AI doesnt have a soul because the psyker says it doesnt glow in the warp.

Besides, I have the funny feeling that the whole Iron Men business was, like most fictional robot wars, started in the first place by the humans. The robots just over-reacted, epically.

>>4737021
The Necrons ARE really bad shit happening.

>>4737082
There's a big difference between what the case actually is and what the Imperium believes and promotes, bot in terms of souls and the Iron Men. The soul is the bit of you that makes you human and exists beyond death, either going off to join the Emperor if you're good or suffering some terrible fate if you've been a bit of a cunt. I'm not sure what the official line is on the true nature of souls, but I'm fairly sure 99.9% of human souls dissipate into the warp after death, being your psychic self. Daemons can see souls, and psykers shine brighter than blunts and all that.

>>4737048
But why do all AI immediately decide there is a sharp discontinuity between them and conventionally "living" things? A more likely scenario might be them deciding that Humans/Tau are bastards who dont appreciate the universe or the biospheres they inhabit, and dont want them fucking up this lovely, precious reality full of so many fascinating creatures...

>>4737160
It's a mystery and a part of the 40k setting. AI is bad and always, always results in badness. I don't think it's been explored further than that, and I suspect that if it was many an author would go down the path of "oh, AI isn't *that* bad." Which is exactly what they shouldn't do.

>>4737120
Why just human? Eldar and Orks and even Tau have souls as well. Dont all living things have some sort of warp presence? Wouldnt it be fairer to say that a soul is a property shared by ALL living things? (excepting tyranids, who are of extra-galactic origin, and might originate from a galaxy where life DIDNT develop souls as part of their biology. Some aliens have iron-based blood, others copper, some breath liquid helium, others flourine. Some have souls, some dont.)

Diseases. Corruption. The enemy within. HACK THAT MOTHERFUCKER

>>4737120
>The soul is the bit of you that makes you human and exists beyond death, either going off to join the Emperor if you're good or suffering some terrible fate if you've been a bit of a cunt

No, you just vanish. Only very powerful psykers can maintain coherency of their souls in the Warp, and then it's usually just to be eaten by daemons.

>>4737202
I seem to remember that Machine spirits are all manufactured from Mars and required some kind of "sacrifice".

>>4737214
As I said, from an objective viewpoint, souls are the psychic part of a living creature. Eldar, being ancient and more psykery than humans, maintain their self after death. Unfortunately Slaanesh fucking EATS THEM quick sharp, so they house their souls in soulstones. Tau, being very, very psychically weak, have very faint souls. When they croak they'd dissipate even quicker than a human soul.

From the Imperial perspective, of course, aliens don't have souls. Or, if they do, they're a horrible bastardisation of the human soul and downright unholy.

>>4737251
Yes yes, that's what actually happens. But the Imperium doesn't know that, and it teaches what you're quoting.

>>4737251
But the imperium believes otherwise.

Apparently, ALL eldar maintain awareness after entering the warp after death, and thats why they're so shitfuck scared of death. At least humans dissipate into oblivion, and dont have to deal with all that eternal soul-rape shit.

Threads like this nake me want to play Dark Heresy. What do I need to get started?

The point I'm getting at here is that 40K souls dont seem all they're cracked up to be. They're more like a little chunk of warp-energy that a living thing keeps within itself, allowing it to feel and manipulate the warp, even if only slightly, that stores/reflects their mind. Essentially, any conventional living thing is a walking "thin spot" between the materium and immaterium, explaining why Daemons need a living creature to cross over.

Claiming that an AI is evil just because it doesnt have a soul seems like empty chauvinistic gloating. Its like hating someone because they don't have tonsils.

>>4737361
Yes. It is. But let me say *again*: what souls actually are is not what the Imperium believes they are. The objective reason why AI always turns out bad is unknown. The reason the Imperium believes that such is the case is because they have no soul to accompany their sentience.

>>4737336
The Core Rulebook, though I would also recommend grabbing the Inquisitor's Handbook for additional character generation options. It doubles the available origins, provides specific planet origins and introduces background packages to represent specific past events. Pay some XP and take a few statistical hits and get some benefits in return, most of them rare to your career.

guys, im sure that you know way to much more than my on this game, can someone explain me, the pros that a guardsmen have?

>>4737421
Guardsmen start off with very good armour for a rank 1 acolyte and access to both Basic Las and SP weapons. He doesn't have the finesse or raw killing power of the Assassin, but he's got far more staying power. He'll learn to handle every weapon under the sun and be able to survive long enough to bring them to bear. He's a soldier rather than an outright killer. He can also become a strong melee hitter and, later in the career, can branch out into being sneaky, a leader of men or just near-impossible to kill (for a human). He gets a spattering of war related lores and social talents, but he's very much a militant acolyte.

>>4737361
It's also worth pointing out that Blanks and Pariahs, i.e. those that have no 'souls' are almost universally disturbing, sociopathic and frequently insane. Clearly, there is something else going on there.

OP's pic and post screams of DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, SEE THE INVISIBLE, ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

hmm. as far as i can remeber "Machine spirits" are the spirits of animals that were sacrifice and bound to whatever machine they were to serve on. (think "good" defiler). and i also, the larger the machine the larger the sacrifice animal is.

and i think i remember that machines of war uses the spirits of predatory animals.

>>4737518
This is a remnant of old fluff. There used to be talk of particularly potent cogitators (such as the Land Raider's systems) incorporating animal brains, but this is a distant and forgotten bit off fluff by and large.

>>4737472
Proceed....

>>4737550
That is actually pretty damn cool.

>>4737484
My theory:
Thats because the rest of their biology assumes that they have one. I'd find it pretty damn hard to live without my kydney, because the rest of my body assumes that SOMETHING is going to remove ammonia from my blood.

If a given creature has a squeedley-spoodge instead of a liver, its not going to mind that it doesnt have a liver.

Here's a thought on Pariahs: Their soul is reversed. The Necrons modified their genes so that, instead of pulling the warp towards them, like normal living things, they push it away, and lock it off from reality. So, suddenly, everyone around them is being subjected to the loss of something they never knew they had, because they always had it: Warp Sensitivity.

Blanks, on the other hand, arent soulless. they're psykers who only have one trick, and its always on: smoothing out the warp. The warp is still there around them, but no signals or ripples are getting out. They cant feel other people, and other people cant feel them, resulting in the "skeevy" feeling they exude.

Its the difference between someone blindfolding you and someone ripping out your eyeballs temporarily.

>>4737552
Not much more to say. Guardsmen are not there to talk things out, nor are they there to think. They're along to hold the line and provide brute force solutions when needed. As with all characters there is room for flexibility within this definition, but that's what the career is all about.

>>4737559
Agreed. Servitors function on the same concept.

Admittedly, you dont really need animal brains. i always figured that alot of 40K tech uses biocomputing via vat-grown or harvested nervous tissue. Its in Dark Heresy (look at the Cyber-Mastiff)

>>4737630
That they do. This whole "animal sacrifice on Mars to create every machine spirit" stuff is a load of bunk, though.

>>4732386
>>4732383
These people are the Reson for well placed Vindicaire assassins.

>>4737668
can you stat one in DH?

Also, isn't 'well-placed' kind of redundant