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    64 KB Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:20 No.4720602  
    Communism: The RPG

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:21 No.4720608
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    We're already playing it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:22 No.4720614
    Everyone starves
    worst form of governement ever
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:23 No.4720617

    This is your campaign.
    >> I CLUB SEALS 05/31/09(Sun)11:23 No.4720621

    >Most everyone starves except the leaders who pervert the ideals of communism

    Epic win.
    >> Spanishfag 05/31/09(Sun)11:23 No.4720622
    In soviet russia class choses you
    >> Muon 05/31/09(Sun)11:24 No.4720625
    Are you a bad enough dude to enforce division of labor and bring your people out of the stone age?

    Coming this summer: Civilization: THE GAME.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:24 No.4720626
    In soviet Russian Dice rolls you.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:24 No.4720631
    Experience points are shared between all players
    >> Lil piece o´fluff 05/31/09(Sun)11:25 No.4720639
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    Communist Paladin, your Smite Capitalism has saved this humble farm! How can we ever repay you?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:26 No.4720643

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:27 No.4720646
    >>Everyone starves
    >>worst form of governement ever

    >>worst form of governement ever

    >>form of governement

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:27 No.4720652
    In Soviet Russia, game plays YOU.

    (sorry, oblig.)
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:28 No.4720654
    There is no DM. All players are the DM. Simultaneously. They are given points with which to DM the game and influence it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:29 No.4720660
    I think at this point we're talking about socialism

    That said, I would call communism a form of government, no matter what it's pundits say. Whats that, people live in groups, and are beholden to the decisions of others? Sounds like a state to me.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:29 No.4720662
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    >thinks a socialist dictatorship is communism
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:29 No.4720664

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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:31 No.4720672
    A KGB agent is present in all games to ensure the DMs are upholding political correctness in all decisions or game settings.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:31 No.4720674
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    >Thinks communism is not "everyone starves bad end"
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:32 No.4720680
    The taint of Capitalism has warped you into a hungry monster, ready to exploit your fellow Comrades!

    You must be destroyed for the good of the Union!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:32 No.4720682
    Ummm... no. Communism is an economic system. It can be in place under any sort of government.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:33 No.4720691
    >Gгееп техтs
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:34 No.4720698
    To DM you must join the Kremlin and be awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union medal.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:34 No.4720700
    The computer is my friend I am happy.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:35 No.4720708

    I'm majoring in russian. That hurts me. The letters may look CLOSE to the english letters, but they make COMPLETELY different sounds.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:35 No.4720711
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    Commarines, Advance!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:36 No.4720717

    Anytime your campaing takes place in small, separated comunity with very limited resources, (think about small colony on really hostile planet, where everybody rellies on machinery to survive), chances are you're lpaying in commie setting. Just because everybody has to work like mad and share with everybody else, because otherwise, everybody would die.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:37 No.4720719
    That's a load of crap. Economic system=government.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:37 No.4720720
    >Communism is an economic system.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:37 No.4720724
    COmmunism doesn't work as it is fundamentaly against human nature to care about crap you don't even own
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:38 No.4720731
    Well, it isn't. Communism has only existed in short periods of time. When it was achieved, everyone was happy and no one was starving. See: Free Territory, Ukraine and the Catalonia region during the Spanish Civil War. People starve in China because they are communists. The state just keeps all the money.

    No, if you have read anything written by any communist you'd realize it calls for the destruction of socioeconomic classes and the state. It can not be put in any form of government. Socialism can be put in any form of government.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:39 No.4720736
    No, that's just you. And a huge bunch of other stupid faggots, granted. But just because you're an uncaring bigoted faggot doesn't mean everyone is.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:39 No.4720739

    Why, a meager offering of food and a place to sleep for the night should be enough for my servi-

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:40 No.4720742
    People starve in China not because of Communism but because of poor agricultural planning and serious droughts.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:40 No.4720747
    ON TOPIC, Comrades! you mustn't let the vile words of the capitalist pig to get to your pure hearts! Let the crimson flag flatter eternally!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:40 No.4720748
    Communism isn't an economic system and an economic system is not a form of government. Capitalism is an economic structure and can be put in any form of government. Capitalism != a government.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:40 No.4720749
    You don't read Marx, yes ? =)
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:40 No.4720752
    Tragedy of the commons, bitch. History is on the side of the capitalists. Remember that whole deal with the inevitable progression of history towards communism? Remember how it didn't happen?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:41 No.4720754
    This is the fucking problem, everyone thinks china is communism, it's not. Neither was the soviet union, nor is cuba.

    There has to date not existed a true communistic state.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:41 No.4720755
    Тнат's уоиг рипisнмепт fог lеагпiпд ап iпfегiог lапдиаде.
    >> Spanishfag 05/31/09(Sun)11:41 No.4720758

    No, it's not an economic system, it's a government in which economic system it's minimal or doesn't exist, in that case everything is (theorically) owned by everybody.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:42 No.4720763
    Consider: Capitalism can work under a dictatorship just as well as it can under a democracy. As long as the government keeps its hands off of the market, it's still capitalism.

    Communism is much the same. As long as the government works WITH the market, it (and this is the important part) doesn't actually matter what the system of government is.

    Only issue is that dictatorships tend to lead to corruption. Just in general.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:42 No.4720767
    Well, they had a communist ideology. In practice, they were socialists.

    And they were never going to get out of that, because socialism will NEVER lead to communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:42 No.4720768
    That's like saying bolters should be the best guns ever IRL because GW wrote so
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:42 No.4720771
    Er, I made a mistake. I meant to say people don't starve in China because they are communists. They aren't even communists in the first place.
    >> Lil piece o´fluff 05/31/09(Sun)11:43 No.4720776
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    >> Historian. !b6Jq6KEjMo 05/31/09(Sun)11:43 No.4720781

    You need to go revise your Marx. Governments exist under economic systems. And they're related yet not identical.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:43 No.4720782
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    Capitalism was here

    Communism is a faggot
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720784
    Actually, Marx said that for Communism to occur, Capitalism much reach its full potential.

    All of those revolutionaries were not following Marxism, as the revolution is supposed to come from the workers, and not the leaders.

    The failure of the revolution supports communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720785
    So you're saying that because something is dominant means it's good and rightful?

    Damn the nazis was the best thing to hit germany in the 1930's
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720787
    But in a communist state, you do, in effect, own everything.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720790
    >As long as the government works WITH the market, it (and this is the important part) doesn't actually matter what the system of government is.
    Except that isn't communism. That is socialism. When the economy is controlled collectively, that is not communism. Communism is political and economic. Socialism is economic. Communism there is no government.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720792
    Ggeep tekhts?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720794
    Socialism was here.

    Capitalism is also a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720797
    >>Тнат's уоиг рипisнмепт fог lеагпiпд ап iпfегiог lапдиаде

    Tnat's uoig ripisnmept fog leagpipd ap ipfegiog lapdiade

    That's what you just wrote.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720798
    Because something didn't happen, it must be true?

    Your blackwhite is showing.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:44 No.4720799

    Untrue. Better to care about everybodys crap, because chances are, that in such system somebody else would care about your crap. It's less personal risk, but also less possible personal gain.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:46 No.4720809
    Communism is not anarchy.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:46 No.4720810
    A communist state is an oxymoron. I wish people would stop saying this. A communist state to everyone is pretty much a socialist dictatorship where the leaders call themselves communists. A real communist state would in fact have no state.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:46 No.4720813
    Ай ноу.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:46 No.4720814
    I'm just saying that Marx said much the same, so far.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:47 No.4720817
    If there was no state, then why is everyone sharing property? Sounds like someone is keeping them from going off on their own.

    Sounds like a government is.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:48 No.4720826
    This is OP

    Fuck off, moron
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:49 No.4720830

    Slavic languages are extremely hard for native english speakers to learn. Show some respect to that guy!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:49 No.4720831
    The tragedy of the commons is that the Diggers didn't shoot the British Bourgeoisie. Do you actually understand how the commons came to be in private hands, and how much the calorific intake (ie living standards) of the vast majority of Britons plummeted after privatisation because the commons were an efficient source of calories?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:49 No.4720832
    Close. CLOSE.

    Not QUITE, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:50 No.4720836
    Sing, Comrades! Sing!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:50 No.4720838
    Sup, OP.

    Can you just delete this thread? It's a trollercoaster.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:50 No.4720839
    Yes it is. Anarchists and communists fight for the same goal. If you knew anything about the history of anarchists or communists you'd know they've fought together in several occasions. Read anything about Marx, he rants against the state and how it causes the class struggle. There is no state in communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:50 No.4720841
    OP must not have been on 4chan for more than five seconds today.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:52 No.4720850
    Like hell. I'm an anarchist and communists can go fuck themselves with a cactus.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:53 No.4720857
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    How about benevolent autocracy?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:53 No.4720859
    To go further on this topic, yes, communism is not anarchy. It is not a society without a state. Instead it's a society without a single centralized state. The idea is that instead of huge countries and towering metropolises you have smaller communities that essentially govern themselves, and these communities are spaced much more tightly than our cities are today. The idea is that these communities would work together with each other the same way the people in each single community works together. So if someone or some community needs something, they get it.

    This is truly the utopia for me, if it was applied truly globally. Sure, I would have to give up much of what my life is and much of the luxury I live in. On the other hand, I would know that everyone on the whole earth has it pretty much just as good as I do, and no one would have to go hungry and starve just because I live in a world where everyone are gigantic stupid faggots who can only care for themselves.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:53 No.4720860
    Historical revisionism, eh? And there was no Holocaust, right?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:53 No.4720862
    irnewfag, how do I shoot web?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:54 No.4720863
    Iт sиге is.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:54 No.4720866
    No DM at all.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:54 No.4720870
    I will riddle you with bullets if you try to take my property.
    >> Gaeth !vwZXay567I 05/31/09(Sun)11:55 No.4720878
    That works until the next guy who gets into power is motherfucking Caligula.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:56 No.4720889
    Charlie Anderson: Can you give me one good reason why I should let my sons march down that road like a bunch of damn fools?
    Lt. Johnson: Virginia needs all her sons, Mr. Anderson.
    Charlie Anderson: They don’t belong to the state they belong to ME! When they were babies I never saw the state comin’ around here with a spare tit!

    …Lt. Johnson: When are you going to take this war seriously, Anderson?
    Charlie Anderson: Now let me tell you something, Johnson, before you get on my wrong side. My corn I take seriously, because it’s mine. And my potatoes and tomatoes and my fence I take note of because they’re mine. But this war is not mine and I don’t take note of it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:57 No.4720891
    Hello retard.

    You are, truly, the cancer that is killing the world.

    Enjoy your fucking property like it means something.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:57 No.4720892
    Your definition of state is liberal, monopoly of force. Marxist definitions of the state is the dictatorship of one class over all others. No classes => no dictatorship => no state. Communism is stateless in this sense. The other key phrase is "Replacing the government of people with the government of things." meaning and end to orders dictating people's lives, and instead people ordering the things in the world for their benefit.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:57 No.4720895
    Elective autocracy?
    >> Gaeth !vwZXay567I 05/31/09(Sun)11:57 No.4720897
    Also, as a /m/an, I give you points for posting some LoGH.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:57 No.4720898
    In Soviet Russia, character plays you.

    This means you simply go about your daily life as if you're an adventurer.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:58 No.4720904
    If your worldview ever comes to fruition, the human race is well and truly fucked. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent such a soul-crushing state of existence.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:59 No.4720909
    Yeah. Anarchist believe in non-governance. Communists do still believe in governance, but not as it is now but instead, like I said, small self-governing communities.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)11:59 No.4720910
    Two months later Mr. Anderson was shot in the head by an invading soldier.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:00 No.4720912
    It sige is?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:01 No.4720917
    I refuse to use your non-standard definition of state.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:01 No.4720919
    I would like to hear why the human race is fucked. Because there is no reason.

    The only difference is that everyone who is suffering now due to poverty and famine would do so no longer. And there would be no stupid rich fucks clinging to their fucking money like it has some inherent value.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:01 No.4720922

    Stalin was pretty much a prole, look how well HIS leadership turned out.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:01 No.4720924
    Yea, but you aren't a real anarchist. You are just a young, angsty child who sprays graffiti, doesn't like the cops, and skateboards.

    To everyone who thinks communism has a government:
    “the communist revolution, which removes the division of labour, ultimately abolishes political institutions”
    -Karl Marx, The German Ideology
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:02 No.4720926
    Charlie Anderson: Johnson! Johnson! God, save me from these Japs! They burnt the fields and murdered my family!
    Lt. Johnson: Hubris is the greatest of sins, Farmer.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:02 No.4720927
    Ду ю тролл ми, сучечка?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:02 No.4720930
    Caligula was initially beneficient and orderly.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:02 No.4720932
    The human race would be fucked as a result of starvation, riots, and the eventual collapse of the entire system.
    >> Gaeth !vwZXay567I 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720934

    Excellently done.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720935
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    space commies
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720936
    In Soviet Russia, dice roll YOU!

    Sorry, had to. What kinda communism are we considering komrade?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720937

    What is so soul crushing about colective ownership?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720939
    Ok, I think we can all agree that communism calls for an extremely decentralized government, if not none. China and Russia were not communists. The end.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720941
    He was one man. Most of the Russian workers (80%) did not want the revolution.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:03 No.4720943
    No, I'm not any of those things. I'm an anarcho-capitalist, so I'm diametrically opposed to communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:04 No.4720945
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    Another space commie
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:04 No.4720947
    I think you haven't read much modern anarchy. Most anarchists believe that the next step worth discussing and building for is autonomous workers councils with a monopoly on force, a remarkably identical situation to the expected precursors to these communes you're discussing.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:04 No.4720950
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:04 No.4720953
    I'd like to know how you know this. Seeing as communism has never been achieved.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:05 No.4720956
    Inefficient distribution of goods and services.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:05 No.4720957
    I know the liberal definition of the state is controversial, but many people still hold by Locke despite its lack of autocritique. Marx's definition, while broadly superior, replaces the absence of a critique with a teleology.

    I for one prefer teleology to lack of self-criticism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:05 No.4720961
    Why should they be inefficient?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:05 No.4720965
    You are just racist against horses. All throughout human history horses have been treated like slaves by humans. They never received any pay are expected to work to death and god forbid that they break a leg because then it's execution time.


    Why don't you want horses to succeed? What have horses ever done to you, horse racist?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:06 No.4720967
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    Space commies enjoying their commonly owned property
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:06 No.4720968
    Stop discussing economic models in such a retarded way. You are making me stupider.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:06 No.4720970
    In a way, penises are an economic model.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:06 No.4720972
    Who will you riot against, kiddie?

    Угу. Просто охуительно.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:07 No.4720975
    everything but. Or are you saying there are not enough resources on this planet to supply all the humans on it? Because there is. Especially if everyone stopped wasting godless amounts of money on useless shit that doesn't mean a fucking shit.
    Because everyone would be well-fed, have a roof under their heads and a direction if life if they so chose? You're fucking stupid, the ratio of people who would suffer because of this change to those would get a better life is like 1:100. There would be no meaningful riots.
    >eventual collapse of the entire system.
    Yeah well you should tell yourself that so you can continue to be live your pathetic life with no feelings of guilt.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:07 No.4720977
    Yes, because capitalism would definitely survive in anarchy.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:07 No.4720978
    Yes, yes I do.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:07 No.4720981
    >I have no argument, so I will assume that my opponent is younger than I am.
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    Space commies enjoying the collective ownership of eachother's bodies.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:09 No.4720991
    "Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism."
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:09 No.4720992
    uhhh... the bit where a 20-30% group of the population, the urban proletariat, in alliance with the rural proletariat and rural peasantry manages to win a civil war indicates that most Russian workers wanted a revolution.

    The horror is that working class ultralefts *demanded* the Promparty trial and the forced extractions at the end of the NEP period. Of course, they'd had their balls cut off in 1918 with one-man-management then in 21 with the crushing of Krondstat and the NEP.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:10 No.4720997
    And still my question remains unanswered, old shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:10 No.4720999
    Communism has never worked
    I can not be proven wrong
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:11 No.4721008
    Riots will occur against the governing bodies, of course, you dumbshit. Don't give me that "no state" crap, because there would be a state.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:11 No.4721011
    The free market invariably forms a hierarchy, you double capitalist.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:11 No.4721012
    That's an amusing proposition. As a militant worker I eagerly await the removal of state protection of property.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:12 No.4721019
    They won through force of arms. Most of the civilians did not want Communism.

    On the day of voting, only 20% voted for Communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:13 No.4721023

    >double capitalist

    Thank you for the compliment, good sir!

    Okay, so you don't support it. I do. Guess which one of us is going to have more support? Hint: The one that lets people actually own things and have fulfilling lives.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:14 No.4721029
    You think that Parliamentary voting represents *anything*?

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:15 No.4721034
    You think that working within capitalism allows people to have fulfilling lives?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:15 No.4721035
    So you're going to riot against youself. That's just as wise idea as starting a holocaust while being jew youself.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:15 No.4721036
    "I define anarchist society as one where there is no legal possibility for coercive aggression against the person or property of any individual. Anarchists oppose the State because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights." -Murray Rothbard in Society and State
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:15 No.4721037
    Fuck you. Communism is evil and has the blood of millions on it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:15 No.4721039
    No, there would not be a state in the normal sense. There would be no single body of government.

    There would be only small communes who are expected to work with each other. Why would they do that? Simply because each commune cannot supply themselves with everything they need and want. So they work together. And they do no capitalistically trade goods with each other, they freely share them throughout the system at a need-basis.

    Some communists argue that you would still need an institution of police that stands above each commune and keeps the peace in them all, and that is essentially centralized. I, however, and many with me, do not agree. Each commune can govern and police themselves out of their needs.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:16 No.4721045
    Fuck you. Capitalism is evil and has the blood of millions on it.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:16 No.4721047
    Hey you're a fucking retard. There has to date not existed a true communistic state, so it truly has the blood of nil on it. Capitalism on the other hand...
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:16 No.4721048
    Oh no! Not a quote!

    Capitalism is feudalism put into an economic system. If you have no government to protect your feudal lords, it will fall apart when the workers get pissed. The only reason it hasn't collapsed in the U.S. is because of heavy regulation and limiting workers' rights.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:16 No.4721050
    >Simply because each commune cannot supply themselves with everything they need and want. So they work together.

    ...because they were forced to not be self-sufficient. Great.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:17 No.4721054
    Fuck you. Capitalism is evil and bathed in the blood of billions over the history of mankind.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:17 No.4721055
    >Especially if everyone stopped wasting godless amounts of money on useless shit that doesn't mean a fucking shit.

    Like GW minis. Which is why /tg/ will never be commie.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:17 No.4721060
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    They did it already.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:18 No.4721064
    How about those who only play homebrewed rpgs?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:19 No.4721070

    Soviet Union. In before 'Wah revisionist history it wasn't a real communist state right guys!' Face it, your system is impossible and breeds atrocities. How many died in the Ukraine in the 20s and 30s? How many were sacrificed for industry and starved in famines? What about the mass forced migrations or the anti Jew pogroms? What about delivering crushing poverty in exchange for the death of freedom?

    You sir are the worst kind of apologist and I sincerely hope you burn in Hell.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:19 No.4721071
    >Fuck you. Capitalism is evil and has the blood of billions on it.

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:19 No.4721072
    Fuck year! The best Pooh ever!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:19 No.4721073
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:19 No.4721075
    >Guess which one of us is going to have more support?
    The one where an extreme minority becomes super rich and ruins the lives of everyone else. The one where there is a recession or depression every decade. The one that opposes democracy.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:21 No.4721087
    >recession or depression

    The business cycle is caused by monetary interventionism, an anti-capitalist idea. Read a book for once.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:21 No.4721088
    >The only reason it hasn't collapsed in the U.S. is because of heavy regulation and limiting workers' rights.

    Because there never was enought organised workers to overthrow capitalism. Even if they were there it would result in something similar to Russian revolution with few strong leaders, which will become dictators.

    Simply put, while capitalism sucks, it's still better than the imposible.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:21 No.4721089
    I think we should rename socialism to economic democracy. The word communism and socialism are scary to americans. When they hear free market, they go "fuck year!". When they hear capitalism, they get scared.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:22 No.4721094
    itt: a bunch of college communists bitch and moan.

    Grow up you fags.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:22 No.4721095
    Between 2-6 millions died in the Ukraine from Government forced starvation that was supported by rank and file ultraleftist urban workers. Fewer than died in the ovens of the Nazi-Junker-Syndicalist state. Fewer than died in Chinese and Indian famines caused by the UK in the nineteen century. How many were sacrificed for Capitalist industry and starved in forced famines? What about the mass forced migrations? What about delivering crushing poverty to 80% of the world's population?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:23 No.4721108

    >Hey guys, let's ignore the evil we've done and try to justify it throwing mud elseware! Hurr hurr!

    Try harder. You can't wave a magic wand and make your sins go away by claiming other people did the same. The blood is still on your hands.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721109
    >free market


    Oh yeah, and fuck you. Trying to hide your nature beneath sheep's clothing, huh, wolf?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721112
    Really? Keynes seems to think that the monetary cycle is a natural part of the value system. As did most of the classicals. Ricardo and Marx, otoh, feel that it arises from disjunctures in the structure of value within capitalism itself.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721114
    ITT: Amerifags who learned about communism from Red Dawn

    PROTIP: In urban enviroments, the wellfare of the community means the welfare of the individuals; if you live in Dipshit, Nebraska you're OK to look after you and your own but in a city the community is your own. Failing this, creating aritificial divisions and segregation causes the current cancer that's eating american cities.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721115
    Your authoritarian ways disgust me.
    RPGs should be created by individuals working together for a common good, motivated by the spirit of true freedom, you double Stalin.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721116
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    There is only one future.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is either american or fucking stupid.

    Its a simple FACT.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:24 No.4721121
    ITT: a bunch of brainwashed wannabe-capitalists hurp and durp.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:25 No.4721124
    Yeah, keep in mind that scholars and economists have found quite a bit of distinct flaws in Keynes' logic, hence the development of Neo-Keynesian economic thought.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:25 No.4721126
    Trolling: The RPG


    oh wait
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:25 No.4721131

    OP should feel bad for making this thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:26 No.4721132
    The greatest murderer in the history sure has his moral high ground.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:26 No.4721134
    >Failing this, creating aritificial divisions and segregation causes the current cancer that's eating american cities.

    Communism is the answer to multiculturalism?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:26 No.4721136
    Austrian School beats the ass of all other economic theories.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:26 No.4721137
    Were talking about capitalism here buddy. Not anarcho-capitalism. Anarchists would get no support.

    And, It is called a boom and bust cycle and it will happen whether there is intervention or not. Laissez-faire capitalism gave us recessions and depressions too.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:27 No.4721141
    I'd prefer we talked about the blood of the corrupt Spanish priests, or of the AVO/AVH secret police shot in the streets; because, by 1918 with the imposition of "One man management", public profit and wages, and 1921 with the reinstitution of private profit, there was nothing Communist in the Soviet Union.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:27 No.4721142
    0/10? Look at how many responses are in this thread and what makes up the responses. The OP has earned at least a 3 or 4 out of 10.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:28 No.4721145

    as a matter of fact, yes
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:28 No.4721148

    I agree, that the whole world should just return to golden standard. But the few rich pigs on the top wouldn't allow it, because they actually do profit from current situation and even if they lose some of their wealth it's not that great issue for them, because they are already fucking rich.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:28 No.4721149
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:29 No.4721152
    Ha ha, gold standard. It has its benefits, yes, but it's not at all perfect. Keep jacking off to Ron Paul though.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:29 No.4721153

    That's you really have, just saying 'nun uh, but you are!'. That's all evil can do. It can pretend not to be evil, but nothing can hide it's vile nature. It calls others evil while reveling in it's own sin.

    Stalin and Hitler both considered themselves good men and called other nations evil. They hated the Church and religion, insisting the righteous were weak. Both deny all that is right, insisting on it's own hollow, empty, evil morality.

    You sir, are a dead end. An empty end that will never find anything to fill the misguided bile that rises in you.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:29 No.4721156
    False. Expansion of credit through a central bank allows businessmen to over-invest is capital goods, so when the inevitable contraction of credit comes, they lose everything. That is what causes the business cycle, sir.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:29 No.4721157

    Not trolling. Its the truth.

    Eventually Communism will take over. in 5, 50 or 500 years.

    It is the natural progression of society.

    Fuedalism > Capitalism > Communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:30 No.4721159
    Anarcho-Capitalism is oxymoron anyways.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:30 No.4721161

    6/10. Bringing religion into it is always a good call for trolling.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:30 No.4721162
    Do you honestly think Communism will maintain itself with the amount of people present in society? The more people present, the greater the possibility of dissent. We already see it today.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:31 No.4721166
    Yeah, just keep pushing the date further and further away. Just like New Age idiots who predict the Age of Aquarius is just around the corner; and have been saying that for the last 40 years.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:32 No.4721172
    On what grounds?

    Oh yeah, trolling.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:32 No.4721173
    Level 30 here
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:32 No.4721175
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    Bitches Dont know about my NEP.

    Lenins very first economic policy.

    While genius it was completely contradictory to communism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:32 No.4721178
    No the natural next step is Technobarbarianism, followed by Empra
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:33 No.4721181
    >followed by THE EMPRAH

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    Your post still reminds me of this caricature. Yes, socialism ended in multiple deaths, but the number of deaths is incomparable to the bodycount of money-lusting bitches.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:34 No.4721188
    The power development in the world is clear:
    As the methods of control over territory and populace develops, the power becomes more centralized. The future is a one world government with the power to quell any unrest by either military means or though to reliance of consumer goods.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:34 No.4721190

    Even with the truth is said plain as day, you can't deviate from your narrow view. God help you.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:34 No.4721194

    Have you actually read anything on the business cycle? Not a fucking text book either. The concept of speculation advanced crises was thoroughly discredited by 1932.

    Also at a theoretical level you're subsuming the crisis from "contraction" to "contraction of credit", so you're just bumping the problem from the general contraction of commodity value to the specific contraction in commodity value of credit.

    Why are apples red? Because their surface is red.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:35 No.4721196
    He said as much. He admitted that for Communism to take place, Capitalism must reach its highest point first.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:35 No.4721199
    >You're wrong because God says so.
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    The empire of humanity is communist.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721201
    Sure thing, saint fucker. People were never killed in pursuit of money.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721202
    >before credit


    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721204
    So, I'm wrong because Keynesians (themselves discredited by now) said I was? Argument to authority, my friend.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721205
    Anarcho-Capitalists are the ultimate trolls.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721208

    The funny thing is that communism requires just as much faith as religion.
    >> 1 Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721210
    fuck you all bitches that hate USSR!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:36 No.4721211
    I would understand if some rich bastard defends the status quo, because they're fucking rich and it benefits them, but when I see some poor fuckers like people ITT must be, defending the fact that they keep getting poorer because the rich bastards can buy the way to keep getting richer. Shit. Its like seeing poor white trash against universal healthcare "I don't care if my kids die as long as Jamal and Pedro kids die too!"

    You're the shit of this earth, America, good thing the rest of the world is catching up with you in economic, scientific and military development
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:37 No.4721213
    All those glass gems are kinda girly thing to wear...

    That's gay.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:37 No.4721216

    Yes Yes. I was just pointing out to the amerifags and disbelievers that the soviet union was not communist.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:37 No.4721217
    At least one doesn't have to deal with the invisible hand.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:38 No.4721220
    Way to go with the sweeping generalization. Not all Americans are into that all-too-true paradox you describe.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:38 No.4721221
    Er, I deleted the post due to not liking how I worded it. I'm not talking about credit cards, dipshit. I'm talking about credit. Believe it or not, credit has not existed since the beginning of time.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:38 No.4721224
    Communism is the ideology of a beggar who loathes those who have done better than him in life, and feels that they are entitled to support him.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:38 No.4721229
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:39 No.4721230
    If we take the rise of feudalism, ie infeuded peasantry, to be around 500, and the cementation of capitalism as a world system as 1880, then it took capitalism about 1300 years. If we take the rise of capitalism in general to have occurred around the time capitalist relations penetrated the production process itself in a key economy, then that puts it as 1800 in the UK. Or still about 1300 years.

    If we put it to the first time a European state achieved a ruling class comprised of people who subsisted off profit returns on capital, then we're looking at the Dutch around 1600, or 1100 years.

    If we take it as the first extraction of wealth from merchants in Europe where long distance banking was appropriated directly by state power, then we're looking at 1400.

    From the world's first true working class in England around 1800, to the first revolution where workers seized control of production in 1917, that's a scant 117 years.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:39 No.4721232

    Such is the extent of brainwashing by the western bourgeois.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:41 No.4721246
    What a twisted kind of perception you have here.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:41 No.4721248
    Funny, I can reword that to support a monarchy or feudalism.

    Democracy is the ideology of a beggar who loathes those who have done better than him in life

    Also, no. That would be a welfare state. Communism does not ask everyone to support them. They ask that everyone be equal and have to work for their wealth.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:41 No.4721252
    There isn't a single intelligent opinion in this thread, and thankfully it is auto-saging.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:42 No.4721253
    You know, I admit it, I rage for a while. But now, I'm chuckling to myself. Communists are so ass-backwards in their logic that it gets to be funny after a while. It's like being threatened by a small child: they talk big, but you realize that they are impotent.

    Thanks for the laugh, guys.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:43 No.4721256
    >They ask that everyone be equal and have to work for their wealth.

    Those two things don't go together.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:44 No.4721266
    Actually, the thread started to get smart when the communists came in. It turned into a troll fest when the anarcho-capitalist came in.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:44 No.4721267
    *reads the thread*
    Sure is butthurt around here.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:47 No.4721280
    No it didn't.
    A bunch of teenagers pretending to know something about economic systems they claim to support. That goes for everyone.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:48 No.4721292
    Oh, you are the butthurt person who kept saying it was an economic system and got ripped apart. I can see why you are mad. Most people on 4chan are actually adults. You shouldn't assume that everyone is underage just because you are.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:48 No.4721294
    I can't decide if that poster is being meta, or just another idiot.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:49 No.4721300

    I bet most people in this thread just lived comfy lives in their houses, bot rightwingers and leftwingers.

    Well, I live in a country mostly ruled by dictators both communists and capitalists. Both kinds killed a fuckload of people. When I was a kid there was a commie terrorist group that bombed our cities and the ensuing battles with the military left 200 000 civilian casualties. I grew up in a socialist home, with a socialist upbringing and with russkie children books that were fuckawesome but then I loved free market because it lets me eat.

    And you know what I think of all this shit? The middle point is the best: Free market with some goverment regulations to avoid monopoly, universal education and healthcare to ensure a generation of healthy kids. Its not that hard, its not unemployment wellfare, its not a totalitarian regiment. Extremes are always wrong and end up with a high body count
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:51 No.4721314
    I also liked the bunch of americunts who know about life in Soviet Union only from propaganda they were fed.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:51 No.4721317
    Capitalism has brought upon a golden age of well-being and scientific advancements and equal chances for everyone.

    If you can't get over the fact that there exists money in such a system you need to off yourself for the sake of better future for us all. Also gene-pool could use some cleaning from your stupidity.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:51 No.4721318
    Stop sitting on the fence and start a revolution, you boring nigger.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:51 No.4721321
    Probably what the monarchists were laughing about.

    "Democrats are so ass-backwards in their logic that it gets to be funny after a while. It's like being threatened by a small child: they talk big, but you realize that they are impotent."

    Then they beg for mercy like the little scumbags they are.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:52 No.4721324
    Communism Roleplaying System

    The party gets XP based on roleplaying, and the GM secretely gives them in relationship to character's roleplaying. BUT he gives them to the party as a grand total, doesn't point to X and say "you were better than Y". Party divides and uses XPs as they like

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:52 No.4721327

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:53 No.4721336
    Most of which has been based on Germany's research during WW2. Your point?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:55 No.4721346
    Where did you live? I've been eating shit from capitalists and communists most of my youth as well. I still prefer the idea of socialism though. A socialist democracy where small businesses can still enjoy capitalism. Any business that can hurt my life should be nationalized.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:56 No.4721349
    Don't give me this shit! All of the world's sciece is made in America!
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:57 No.4721356
    USSR RPG, Stalin Edition.
    You are a KGB agent, responsible for spying on another KGB agent, who in turn is spying on another KGB agent who is monitoring some official.
    Avoid being denounced for treason for as long as you can, while attempting to gather any kind of meaningful intelligence.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:57 No.4721362
    Are you implying that Nazi germany wasn't run by a combination of syndicates and junkers, ie, Capitalism as usual?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:58 No.4721367
    No, it's quite fucking simple. What china and cuba has and what soviet union was is about as far away from communism as you can get. But you wouldn't understand that seeing how you're a fucking retard.

    Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Just because you wish soviet was communism doesn't mean it was.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:58 No.4721368
    If you can breathe air, thank a Capitalist.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:59 No.4721374
    lulz. Nearly made me rage. 1/10
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)12:59 No.4721379

    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:00 No.4721390
    Can I thank my diaphragm?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:01 No.4721394
    If Jesus returned today, he would be a communist and killed by the Christians.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:01 No.4721400

    Perufag. We've been in a sort of democracy since the 80's and its working slowly
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:02 No.4721410
    If Jesus returned today, he would be AMERICAN.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:03 No.4721416
    The funniest thing about that thing is that those complexes themselves are based and running on communism.

    Everyone gets food, water and shelter and everything they need to survive and everyone one does their own part.

    Of course there's the fact that come people are above others but the basic system that place works on is full blown communistic taint.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:03 No.4721417
    If Jesus returned today, he would die of starvation.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:07 No.4721450
    How many starving Jews have you ever seen...
    ...slightly more than six million.
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:19 No.4721538
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:22 No.4721554
    Hey /tg/ let's talk a little about economy. And, incidentally, why capitalism will fail.

    It's called debt. Debt and loans. There's a bit to this, but simply, any time you loan money, you create money out of nothing. Or rather, the bank does. The amount of money you loaned did not exist before you loaned it. And when you return it, it goes to the bank.
    What this does is slowly, over time, you create an economic bubble. Of debt. Of money that does not exist. Sometimes, this bubble bursts and we're thrown into a recession. But it's not quite a bubble, and it doesn't quite burst like a bubble does, because even after this recession the bubble is still there. And it continues to grow. Recessions get worse and worse. Until, finally, there will be a total global economic collapse, if we do not some time in the future wisen up and shun capitalism.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:27 No.4721577
    Hey faggots, this subject is simple.

    Communists and socialist value people over money.

    Capitalists value money over people.

    It's fucking ironic how all the rich fuckers in the world could not have been born, grown up and gotten rich without society, i.e. the people. And then they proceed to hoard this fucking shit while other people, who works just as hard, just for the benefit of the society rather to become rich fucking cunts are treated as shit.

    I'd throw each and every person valuing money over people down a dark pit right now if I could. They are of no benefit to society, and thus, no benefit to the people.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:34 No.4721615

    You're rich enough to have a computer and Internet access, probably with many other luxuries and all basic needs fulfilled.

    See you in the pit, dipshit.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:36 No.4721624
    Uh, no, that's just speculation over again. Read /Contribution to a Critique/ and /Capital/ volume I for while capitalism will fail.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:41 No.4721669

    There are a lot of cheap internet cafes in the developing countries
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    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:47 No.4721715

    The problem with Communism is that, inevitably, you cannot destroy the concept of unequal trading.

    Let's say, for example, we have two communes. One has a mine in a rocky area with few fields, one has fertile farmland. A bad year strikes the first commune, who already import food from the second. The second commune decides it wants to live a little better...so it demands more metal in exchange for food. Either the first commune submits to the second, or it forges the ore from its mine into swords and goes to war. With no government, who is going to stop them?
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)13:59 No.4721800

    Freely? No they won't. Essentially, if they police themselves, you'll have them forming shitty little city-states and doing what they can to screw the others over.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)14:18 No.4721966
    Yes I am rich enough to have a computer and a internet connection. Does that mean I am a capitalist? No. Does it mean I agree with capitalism? No. I am no strong enough to change the world myself, nor is anyone. But what I can do is try to convince others that people is more important than money, which is what it comes down to.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)14:27 No.4722040

    Sure, convince OTHERS that people are more important. Don't actually compromise your lifestyle in any way. Continue to suckle at the capitalist teat while decrying its decadence. I'm sure the poor and downtrodden you champion will agree that your comfort is more important than their needs.

    If the revolution comes, you can plead "I was on YOUR side!" all you want, but you'll be lined up against the wall with the rest of us. Because to them, you'll be exactly the same. And they'll be right.
    >> Anonymous 05/31/09(Sun)15:41 No.4722693
    Do you think a revolution will seriously take everyone who has a computer and an internet connection and above and execute them? Hah, you're fucking stupid.

    During the french revolution, did they kill anyone with money? No, just the very toppers.

    It wouldn't make sense to kill 70-80% of the populace of pretty much most countries anyway. Especially when it would be sufficient to just kill the rich.

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