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    51 KB !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:02 No.4663100  
    So get this /tg/

    A few weeks back me and a few friends were at the block of orange in california playing a big team game of 40k at the games workshop there.

    Our friend jon was playing his nurgle and about a couple turns in a couple of guys came into the store(who we found out later were plain clothed cops), pulled him aside, and then after a few minutes of talking they took off and we didn't see him again. We decided to pack up the game after that, we put his stuff away in his case and left it under the table.
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:03 No.4663103
    The next day when we went to the store all of his stuff was gone from inside of the store. And his car was no longer in the parking lot. The staff claimed to know nothing about anything that happend.

    Well after a few weeks of not seeing jon, I decided to look him up on google. And my result was this page.


    Allegedly our friend jon had strangled his girlfriend to death, slept on it, and then went to games-workshop in the morning for a game of 40k.
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:04 No.4663116
    This is not a troll post, or anything else. Simply one 40k player saying goodbye to a member of the community.

    He was a good nurgle player. And shall be missed
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:05 No.4663120
    What about his girlfriend?
    >> Rider !!YgW2Py6sKXu 05/26/09(Tue)00:07 No.4663128
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    A man needs his 40K above all else.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:08 No.4663135
    she.. died.. didn't you read the article?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:09 No.4663139
    She did not understand the teachings of entropy and that all things must die
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:10 No.4663146
    Hmm. Shoulda played Slaanesh instead.
    >> Gwarfag !!K9jLbBpAauP 05/26/09(Tue)00:10 No.4663149
    What happened to his Nurgle army? Is it ok? Did you ind it? God I hope that nothing bad happened to it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:10 No.4663150
    nothing of value was lost
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663156
    Must've chipped the paint job on one of his Plaguebearers. Poor girl didn't realize...
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663157
    FaggotK player strangling someone? believable.

    FaggotK player having a non-rented girlfriend? Site hax.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663158

    Warhammerfags, get ready for some witch-hunts!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663159
    Going to play some 40K in the joint with him OP?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663160
    I'm disapoint that the article doesn't say something like

    "Police arrested the man at a local game store in which he was playing with tiny plastic mans covered in wounds and sores"
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663163
    >nothing of value was lost

    The fuck you say. Nurgle is awesome!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:11 No.4663164
    Hey, OP, do you know a guy named Steve?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:12 No.4663171
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    Sounds like he should've gone with Khorne
    >> -|- Slaaneshiguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/26/09(Tue)00:12 No.4663173
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    May the Emprah rest his noble soul.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:12 No.4663175
    Holy fucking balls. This isn't Ork Player Ryan posting is it? Good lord I was just there a few weeks back myself... That guy Steve who'se been putting together Valhallans for like 10 years now.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:13 No.4663179
    Well, since he was your friend, I would say that it would've been safer to take his army home with you to give back to him later, rather than just leaving it in the store. As it turned out, you probably could've ended up keeping the army that way.
    >> TheDeathMerchant 05/26/09(Tue)00:14 No.4663186

    Hey NIU fag here, me and my roommates used to play M:tG with the guy who did the NIU valentine's shooting last year. That was a fucking mind trip.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:14 No.4663190
    They're coming out pretty nice. I've seen them. He's just slow on painting.
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:14 No.4663193
    She will not be missed. She was a nagging bitch, and he did nothing but complain that she was bitching at him

    He was building a emperors children army, he used a lot of greenstuff on his nurgle to make them look plaguey, he was sculpting 6pack abs on all of the emperors children.

    I still have some of his stuff, but he still has some of mine. He was in debt for the while before he was taken away so he was selling off his armies for pretty cheap.

    Guess he won't be getting into fantasy anymore :/
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:14 No.4663195
    Uhh... blood for the blood god?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:15 No.4663197
    lmao, I love how nobody really has any remorse for the girlfriend.

    I love you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:15 No.4663199
    >block of orange in california

    Holy Fuck, that's the store I go to.

    Never think I met the person OP is talking about though.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:15 No.4663203

    Does he frequent this store and talk way too fucking much because his "neurodiversity" renders him totally unable to see that the person he's forcing himself on wants absolutely shit nothing to do with him?

    Now, I'm not the OP, but if that's the guy you're talking about, yeah, I know him.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:15 No.4663206
    >May Nurgle rest his tainted soul.
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:17 No.4663218

    The old redshirt or the guy that got banned from the bunker for stealing paint?
    >> -|- Slaaneshiguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/26/09(Tue)00:17 No.4663220
    Women have no souls.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:19 No.4663237
    For a dude who played Nurgle, this seems a little slaneshi to me.

    The absolute lack of planning or concern for the inevitable aftermath would do his pustulant patron proud, though.
    >> The Laziest Troll 05/26/09(Tue)00:21 No.4663253
    Oh hey, I know that GW.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:21 No.4663259


    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:23 No.4663270
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    This is the most recent photo of him that I took off his myspace.

    He was usually only there during the mornings
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:24 No.4663280

    Nah the big guy who plays Vallhallans, he apparently doesn't go there very often, but he's a good friend of mine. Jesus I'll never be able to look at the block the same way again.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:26 No.4663290
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:26 No.4663294
    I have never seen someone with more then 5 valhallan models in that store, or any other for that matter.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:28 No.4663305
    Shame, he's a nice guy and plays well.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:32 No.4663352
    I just called the store and they said they can't talk about a guy named jon

    714 769 3189
    >> The Laziest Troll 05/26/09(Tue)00:34 No.4663369
    Ask for battle toads.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:37 No.4663404
    Orange County is fully is rich Republican assholes that have nothing better to do that bust kids for having a few ounces.

    LOL at a Warham nerd being a huge drug kingpin.

    The store has gone through a few managers. There was a British guy who was awesome years ago, then ousted for not moving enough product. Next up was Chris Cailor, who was kind of a douche. Not sure who's working there now.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:37 No.4663405

    Sounds like someone got a dear john letter

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:37 No.4663407

    I'm not local to that store, but I have a short platoon of Valhallans and wish I had more...
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:39 No.4663431
    It went to a guy named walker who failed the store in northridge, then moved to the bunker and caused half of the store to quit, then to the block where he was fired for being horrible. He was also chris cailor's roommate.

    Now its some short guy named juan
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:46 No.4663473
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    was it these five?
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)00:46 No.4663474
    Here is his myspace. http://www.myspace.com/jaynsho
    Here is his girlfriends myspace. http://www.myspace.com/imatwinkie27
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:51 No.4663513
    "I'm so shocked! I hate that this happened to you...I will never forget you and I hate that you won't be there tomorrow! Everyone will miss you! Much love and prayers Kate"

    What a deep eulogy.
    >> The Laziest Troll 05/26/09(Tue)00:52 No.4663523
    What can you expect from a woman?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:55 No.4663545
    Is sending friend requests to dead people in poor taste?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:56 No.4663546
    Ha ha. Oh shit, I'll have to ask the guys at the GW when I go in. Crazy.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:58 No.4663562
    hope he still has feel no pain when it is his turn to be the strangled girlfriend, in prison

    seriously, fuck nurgle players and their plague marines
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:58 No.4663563
    I love how kate asks what yuffie is, probably the final straw
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)00:59 No.4663574
    Probably. Don't expect much of a response, either.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:00 No.4663577
    Wow guys, lets not turn into /b/ here, this is one of the good boards, not one of the laugh at the dead and harass their family members boards.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:02 No.4663594
    It's still 4chan, and we're all basically dead souls anyway
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:07 No.4663632
    oh god i so know juan , he used to work at the one in ontario ,why'd he leave us ;<
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:11 No.4663668
    That's funny, the father of one of the girls who play at my store was arrested on charges of child pornography.

    ...Now it makes sense why she was playing Slaanesh.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:18 No.4663726
    Because they moved his brother steve there, and they cant have relatives working at the same store.

    and they fired walker / needed a new manager at the block
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:25 No.4663773
    Kinda sad reading his brothers comments and shit on his myspace, he's going to get back from iraq to find his brother in jail.

    Poor jon.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:30 No.4663818

    I hope he has not. But I belive this ghuy will commit soucide sooner or later, so why care...
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:33 No.4663842

    His mother launchs campaing agains wargames!

    Should we ban satanic imagery from games?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:34 No.4663857
    He killed another person.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:35 No.4663860
    Does this strike anyone else as sad?

    He comes home, gets into a fight with his girlfriend, strangles her. Sleeps on it. Knows he's going to get caught (didn't clean up the scene of the crime)

    So what does he do on his last day as a free man?

    He goes to the shop to hang with the guys and maybe play a game of 40k with the community as the police close in on him.

    Nurgle watch over your diseased soul Jon.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:37 No.4663877

    HO HO HO HO.
    >> Gwarfag !!K9jLbBpAauP 05/26/09(Tue)01:37 No.4663878
    >Should we ban satanic imagery from games?
    If we did this then that'd raise the question of banning Satanic imagery from movies, art, literature, and anything else protected by the first amendment of the US constitution. But the thing is. Games Workshop is based in England which do NOT have to abide by American decree. Though they do not have the 1st amendment as we do to protect them from this sort of thing. I think that is satanic imagery should be banned in games then it should be banned from the fucking bible too. as that's the most influential work of fiction on the market today. /rant
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:39 No.4663895
    i find this somewhat arousing

    feel free to elaborate
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:40 No.4663901
    we dont have a first amendment,but the southern part of our country doesnt think everything is the work of the devil so maybe we dont need one
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:41 No.4663906
    The military brother has the added perk of being a suspected right-wing extremist by Homeland Security, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:43 No.4663921
    Still, it's always good to get those things in writing.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:43 No.4663922
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    Through early morning fog I see

    visions of the things to be

    the pains that are withheld for me

    I realize and I can see...


    that suicide is painless

    It brings on many changes

    and I can take or leave it if I please.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:44 No.4663926
    You have this backwards. Homeland Security didn't say they thought vets were right-wing extremists, they said right-wing extremists are trying to recruit vets.

    It seems semantic, but there's a WORLD of difference.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:45 No.4663936

    Same here. Warhammer's Chaos is about all that intrigues me about the setting (well, that and the undead), but what really gets me is the way Chaos is not just another WE'RE EVIL CUZ WE'RE FROM SPESS HELL kind of force, but rather, its so utterly human.

    Its not Cthulhu driving you insane, its the darkness of the human heart made manifest, like the Jungian shadow. And in true Nurglesque fashion, he didn't even hope to avoid his fate, he just in the end accepted it placidly.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:47 No.4663947

    I know its the fact that he plays 40k that turns me biased, but I hope whatever inner demons that plague him are eventually purged from his system.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:49 No.4663959

    And yet they had to apologize for writing it that way. I once heard that only a third of the country is truly literate. This makes me believe it...
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:49 No.4663960
    Ah. Well, that still implies that veterans would make easy targets for right-wing extremist groups.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:51 No.4663974
    Obviously they're not gonna say VETS = TERRORISTS, that's retarded, but rather that vets are likely to become terrorists. DHS are a bunch of dicks and they need to be watched like fucking hawks.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:51 No.4663979
    I bet that much more than 33% of the population can read. It's thinking that's the problem, especially when people let television news and/or talk radio--from either side--do the thinking for them. I try to avoid that trap, and I still fell into it regarding this issue. Thank you for the clarification, gro/tg/itz.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:51 No.4663981

    i see what you did there... I lol'd.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:52 No.4663982
    Well, as any 40k player knows, whenever you've got daemons in you, the only cure is a bolt to the cranium.

    Shoulda an heroed.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:52 No.4663988
    Americans = terrorists
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:52 No.4663990
    No, it implies that right-wing extremists want people with combat experience, and that of the millions of people who have served in the military, they can probably find one or two that are sympathetic to their cause, and a good way to ferret out people who want to be domestic terrorists would be to watch for groups that are approaching veterans.

    You just want it to be "lol Obama hates veterans" when it's so far from that that it's laughable anyone thinks it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:53 No.4663992
    If the guy didn't even try and make a break for freedom when the po-po came for him, he might not have done it at all. Dude might be innocent.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:54 No.4664002
    She strangled herself to put him in prison.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:54 No.4664003
    The game of life is hard to play.

    I'm gonna lose it anyway.

    A losing hand I'll someday lay,

    And this is all I have to say....
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:54 No.4664004
    >You just want it to be "lol Obama hates veterans"

    Who the FUCK said anything about Obama? Did Obama personally come up with this idea? Obama's been a pretty straight up dude so far, including ruling out an assault weapon ban.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:55 No.4664009

    Sympathy is another word in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

    Asian bitch probably opened her nasty little eggroll hole one too many times and nerd rage kicked in.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:55 No.4664012

    It's his appointees that wrote the memo (and the one about left-wing terror groups) and i have yet to see someone bring up this issue without trying to make it be "Obama/Democrats/Nancy Pelosi hate our troops"
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:57 No.4664024
    Not surprised about Walker in the slightes

    Chad, or Shad, or whatever the fuck his name was Keatings was a total toolbag as well

    "YAH BRAH I FUCKING LOVE THIS GRIMDARK GAME, even though I make shit wages, poor enough so me and my glop of shit wife can't afford any car nicer than a used early-90 jeep/SUV, I'll fucking SELL MY LIFE AWAY TO THIS COMPANY, since the fact that my arms are covered in shitty 80s death metal tats means I'll never be able to hold down a job anywhere else. yeah, I'll fucking SPEND YEARS pissing my life away for this company, then act surprised when I get canned.
    >> Doomrider !!sN7hwy9fmFb 05/26/09(Tue)01:58 No.4664033

    sure is /b/ in here.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:59 No.4664039
    The only way to win is cheat

    And lay it down before I'm beat

    and to another give my seat

    for that's the only painless feat.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)01:59 No.4664043

    most libtards DO hate vets and the military

    speaking as somone who lves in one of the biggest cestpools of liberal hate in the country...and has to deal with liberal hate on a dialy basis because I am a vet...yeah..libs hate vets
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:02 No.4664060

    Maybe you should have gone to school instead.
    >> Doomrider !!sN7hwy9fmFb 05/26/09(Tue)02:02 No.4664065

    Sir, did your hand get shot off in the war? You're having difficulty typing.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:02 No.4664067
    Your point's getting increasingly tenuous there bra, going from "people use this as a way to criticize Obama over stupid shit" to implying its wrong to criticize democrats at ALL.
    >> Chairman Yang 05/26/09(Tue)02:03 No.4664070
    What the fuck are you talking about. I've never seen anybody outright say they "Hate" the military, Even we Liberals know where the line is.

    You're probably thinking about those teenage anarchists from rich families.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:03 No.4664074
    Just because you're a murderer is no reason to insult the good men and women who don't want to see people like you perpetrate acts of violence against innocent women and children just because they have darker skin than you.

    Happy Memorial day, Asshole.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:03 No.4664075

    Well the article only says he's accused, and that he hasn't even been arraigned yet. Fuck, maybe the girlfriend was cheating on him and the other guy killed her, I dunno.

    It just seems weird to me that an obviously guilty person would just go with the police instead of trying to run or at least die a free man. It wasn't even like they had him surrounded, it was a couple of officers who came down to the store. He probably could have made it to his car and at least taken them on a nice high-speed chase before slamming his car into a concrete wall.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:04 No.4664079
    I once encountered a conservative who coughed. CONSERVATIVES HATE AIR, FUCKING POLLUTERS.

    I once met a liberal with a broken foot. LIBERALS HATE WALKING, FUCKING LAZY BASTARDS.

    tl;dr: Your generalisation fails.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:04 No.4664081

    The ratio I heard was that about one-third are functionally or truly illiterate, another third only read by necessity (street signs, bills, etc), and the final third are "easily" literate. Of that final third, only a third of THEM read for leisure or have much skill at interpretation. Semantics, for example.

    The report was commissioned by the Bush administration, and is apparently on a regular schedule. The DHS and intel agencies redo these threat analyses constantly, but only chunk out a "press friendly" report when requested.

    The statement was really a no-brainer, too. Of COURSE extremists want to recruit military experience. DUH!

    The report on left-wing groups within the US didn't include similar warnings, despite being prepared and released during the Bush Administration. Why? Political considerations, or because the American Left *at the moment* doesn't tend towards bomb-throwing? Better informed pundits than 4chan have and will go around in circles on that one, so I'm not going to bother...
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:05 No.4664084
    That's odd. I live in Seattle, and they are all cool with me. I don't know, maybe it's just because I don't do the whole "I'm a HERO! You owe me your freedom, hippy!" bullshit.

    Or maybe it's just you they hate.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:06 No.4664090

    fuck you you piece of shit
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:06 No.4664093

    Am I the only one who remembers that the second worst terrorist act committed on American soil was committed by a right wing extremist who had been in the military?
    >> Chairman Yang 05/26/09(Tue)02:07 No.4664094
    Pitysaging a shit thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:07 No.4664099

    10/10 successful troll is successful

    well done sir
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:08 No.4664101
    Step on an IED, jarhead.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:08 No.4664103
    Uhhh...you brought up the President, not me.

    Are left-wing extremist groups trying to recruit veterans?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:08 No.4664104

    It wasn't always a shit thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:09 No.4664108

    its not a troll post
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:09 No.4664109
    I don't hold the actions of Obama's appointees against him, just as I don't count the good things that Bush's appointees did as mitigating factors.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:09 No.4664110
    This thread has graduated from "murderer has one last game of 40K" to hilarious in 2 hours.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:13 No.4664123
    Shut up and pick a side! I need to know if you're a filthy Reaganite who must be purged in the name of the Obamacracy!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:15 No.4664133
    Go to Berkeley.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:16 No.4664136

    Lol'ing hard
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:16 No.4664138

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:16 No.4664140

    It's worse than that. Only 34% of Americans have read a book in the past year, and 30% have NEVER read an entire book.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:16 No.4664142

    Like I said, that's always been the implication. Limbaugh and Hannity et al. had a field day with the whole right-wing extremists memo. Past the first day when MSNBC and CNN were covering it, I've never heard anyone bring it up without trying to make it into a liberals hate the military thing. Ever.

    I'm just sayin'
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:17 No.4664145

    Blow me, babykiller.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:18 No.4664152
    ITT, fags baw.

    both literal homosexuals, and just whiny crybabies who are often called "fags," which is kind of homophobic.

    The point is, everyone in this thread is terrible.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:18 No.4664153
    Berkeley is an outlier, and even liberals hate those ineffectual cryfag retards.

    Fuck you and your BUT THE DURTY LIE-BRULS DUNT LIEK ME whining. Few nations' soldiers in history have enjoyed such reverence from the civilian populace as American troops, and my hatred isn't reserved for the troops but for shitheads like the Chimp who threw lives and money away for a reason that still hasn't materialized.
    >> Chairman Yang 05/26/09(Tue)02:18 No.4664154
    The entirety of Californa's Subhuman. Why the fuck are you listening to them? They're not liberals, Just a bunch of idiots.

    Shame one of them's currently running the House of Reps.

    Why the fuck am I posting in this thread again? I just saged it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:18 No.4664156
    Serpent-tongued right-spawn!
    >> Doomrider !!sN7hwy9fmFb 05/26/09(Tue)02:19 No.4664158

    >> For great justice Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:19 No.4664162
    You wouldn't happen to have figures on how many of them have actually read the Bible, would you?
    >> !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/26/09(Tue)02:20 No.4664171

    I have no idea who you are talking about? Are you talking about the guy who plays nids named Derek?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:21 No.4664177
    >everyone in this thread is terrible.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:22 No.4664189

    Liberals don't hate the military.

    They hate America; or at least all that it has stood for in the past: freedom, honor, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:23 No.4664191

    No idea, but it's not something I've looked into recently. With the biggest leftist actions happening elsewhere in the world and largely Soviet orphan projects gone weird, the militant face of The Left isn't really a big deal in the US right now.

    "Wait, Communists?" I hear you ask. "What about China?"

    China has fingers all over, but calling them "Leftists" is a stretch. China is that way because that's what China does. It isn't recent, nor specific to the Mao Dynasty.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:23 No.4664192
    Better or worse than the guy who strangled his long time girlfriend to get more time to play 40k?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:24 No.4664201
    Oh come on. I know we're all trolling eachother here, but could you at least TRY to disguise it?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:25 No.4664207
    Do they hate American ideals? Not necessarily.

    Will their ideas bankrupt the country if implemented? Yeah, as our currently-skyrocketing debt proves.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:25 No.4664211

    I am a liberal and i do not hate the military

    90% of my free time is used playing military games.

    I love playing flames of WAR

    I have a german SS army which is nothing but VETS. Fearless mother fucking vets

    so fuck you when you say liberals hate war and vets. you pussy
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:26 No.4664214

    Been listening to Coulter a lot, eh?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:26 No.4664222
    Asian looking people shouldn't play traditional games. Appearantly it makes them go apeshit bananas even moreso than the average fa/tg/uy.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:27 No.4664230
    Its because they can't be fat. Have you ever tried to eat only rice with chopsticks. Its a fucking workout.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:27 No.4664231

    Obama's plan for America is to turn it into a feudalistic society in which he, the 'savior king,' governs every aspect of our lives.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:27 No.4664232

    The fact that both parties masturbate over the power of the DHS and that both have elements that want to paint vets as the enemy handily disproves that this is some fucking partisan notion.

    In fact, it was McCain who wanted to fucking disarm vets whereas if Obama sekritly haets military he at least deserves props for keeping quiet about it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:28 No.4664235

    So can I be a knight and shit?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:29 No.4664245
    I'm gonna ask God-King Obama if I can paint my knight armor black and put skulls on it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:30 No.4664256
    Yeah, you're right, and I probably jumped to a conclusion I shouldn't have.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:31 No.4664260
    Goddamnit! I say this >>4664201, and then you assholes >>4664207, >>4664211, and >>4664214 immediately feed him.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:31 No.4664261

    Naw, your job will either be plowing a fields with your hands, or shinning the inside of Obama's golden toilet bowl with your tongue.

    The second choice being considered a great honor by the general populace.

    Anyone that disagrees with the king shall be purged.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:32 No.4664271
    Glad we're in agreement. Although I do think Limbaugh deserves at least some props for being a /tg/ style hurrtroll.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:33 No.4664275
    /tg/ - Old /n/
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:34 No.4664278
    >Anyone that disagrees with the king shall be purged.

    Maybe they will be able to work that provision into the next PATRIOT Act.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:34 No.4664280

    And in a hundred years, after the founders are all dead, a new religion will be formed. It shall use the symbol for infinity, representing the eternal might of its two deities, Oprah and Obama; side by side forever.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:36 No.4664292
    Dude people play FoW in /tg/?
    I thought it was all 40k and furry shit. Tell me more...
    I have a LW American Armored Company.

    What do ya think of Midwar monsters? Stupid faggot shit if you ask me.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:36 No.4664293

    You know, reading the Patriot Act is scary as shit. The provisions in there are insanely abusable.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:37 No.4664297
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    "Oprah, Obama. Forever and Always. Amen."
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:37 No.4664302

    Protip: You don't have to be a Conservative for this to scare you.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:37 No.4664304

    And by what devious tool of left-wing mind control does he intend to execute this plot - psychiatry, or fluoridated water?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:41 No.4664326

    Do you even watch the news? The liberal media has an orgasm every time he opens his deliciously seductive mouth and serenades us with his brilliant oratory skills...

    does he work for Tszeentch or Slaanesh?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:42 No.4664331
    this thread keeps getting dumber and dumber
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:42 No.4664332
    I think midwar monsters is eh pretty cool guy, I get more models then actual vehicles were producesd, use them in any midwar list and doesnt afraid of anything

    i just hope they come out with a late war leviathans book so i can field an atomic bomb
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:43 No.4664340

    Ron Paul 2012!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:43 No.4664343
    This is shit.

    If we get neo-Stalin complete with personality cult and we don't even get the benefits of Stalin's downright awesome moustache. History, Sir, has gypped us. Gypped us HARD.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:44 No.4664349
    I think people are just having fun trolling one another with politics at this point.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:44 No.4664351

    He still has time to grow a stash.

    Pole time!

    Hitler stash v/ Stalin Stash

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:45 No.4664354

    Never thought of it as deep as that, sad, really.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:45 No.4664359

    He can't win, don't jizz yourself.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:48 No.4664378

    He's got a chance!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:48 No.4664383
    He's got a chance!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:49 No.4664385
    We'll be heading into auto-sage before long, and we'll all be better off if this stops when it hits page 11...
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:49 No.4664389
    I'm calling bullshit on that until I see the study. Way more than 2/3rds of americans went to highschool (which requires reading a book) if not even fucking graduating (which requires reading several).

    Also, all you politic fags are kidding yourselves. The illuminati run the government and its all a plot to turn us against each other so we don't realize that the true enemy is xenu. Fuckin xenu created the illuminati, and the scientologists are here to save us. SAVE US TOM CRUISE. Seriously though you guys are idiots.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:50 No.4664400
    They don't teach very much in school these days.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:51 No.4664401
    >does he work for Tszeentch

    Yes. Hope and change, etc. Its not even a stretch. It also helps that he ran against McCain, who was cancertastic, a symbol of the stagnant as fuck GOP, and every aspect of his campaign strategy shouted the Nurglesque philosophy of PLANS? WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN PLANS!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:52 No.4664411
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    The Illuminati are real, and God help us, they have super-powers.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:54 No.4664423
    Man I was just there...I had to read several books per year starting in sixth grade. I'm sure you be able to get by without reading all of some of them, but eventually you'll be finishing a book.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:54 No.4664425

    Satan's a faggot.

    My god sits aloft a throne of skulls with a battleaxe the size of a titan.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:54 No.4664426

    Yeah, in France! Bet you'd vote for Palin!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:54 No.4664427
    archive this shit
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:54 No.4664432
    He's not going to. He doesn't have a proper head of hair.

    He could grow some awesome hair. He'd look awesome with an afro or dreadlocks. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a racist thing. Any President would look awesome in an afro or dreads. It would be badass.

    Yet he won't even grow his hair out. And why? Is it a habit from his coke addict days? I mean, come on, people aren't going to drug test the President. Kennedy was off his balls half the time from his pain medication for the first half of his Presidency and nobody said a damn thing.

    If you're going to be a shit, power hungry President you need to at least be exciting. Look at Harding, he knew how to have a good time. Obama has serious room for improvement here.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:55 No.4664433
    Tis better to reign in Hell than to simply go HURR KILL SHIT 24/7 in Spess Hell.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:56 No.4664444
    >politic fags

    We're socially apt fags?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:56 No.4664447
    I took AP english III and IV. I passed w/ a B and didn't read a third of the required material:

    A Prayer for Owen Meany
    Daisy Miller
    The Awakening
    The Communist Manifesto
    See Spot Run
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)02:59 No.4664461
    >I mean, come on, people aren't going to drug test the President.

    Got a point there, he didn't even have to provide his birth certificate.

    Birth certificate: Driver's License? REQUIRED!
    President of the United States of America? FUCK NO!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:01 No.4664469
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    The Illuminati are real, and God help them, they might turn against each other.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:03 No.4664484
    If it weren't so fucked up it would be hilarious.

    Did you hear him say the other day that he'd likely never be an appointment to the SCOTUS because he doubts he'd pass the confirmation hearings?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:03 No.4664485
    no, thats what conservatives hate lol
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:04 No.4664493
    But The Communist Manifesto is so fucking short.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:04 No.4664496
    Yeah, for all we know, he could have been born in Panama!
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:04 No.4664497
    Oh hey, didn't notice I'd wandered onto a board full of /n/ refugees.

    On the note of the OP, reminds me of a local hobby store getting closed down because the owner got (himself) busted for over 40 counts of statutory rape.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:05 No.4664502
    But so fucking boring.
    >> The_DEE-VINE_KAMINA!! !!0QYEjps+C+V 05/26/09(Tue)03:05 No.4664504
    ...I was going to say I was surprised to see you outside of /m/, Rider. But then this is a thread about one creepy son of a bitch. so somehow, seeing you posting here seems appropriate.
    >> Devilock 05/26/09(Tue)03:06 No.4664509
    Nagger or not, I am concerned about the girlfriend's innocence in the matter but I also saw


    and thought "Oh. Nothing unusual there, then."

    CA and Florida; it's where Bad Shit Happens in the USA.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:06 No.4664515
    So, what, a third of /tg/ goes to THIS store?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:07 No.4664526

    Half, actually.

    The rest just won't admit it.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:08 No.4664529
    Oh, indeed. I, personally, don't think he has many skeletons in his closet though. He has nothing to hide and that's why his records are all sealed tighter than Michelle's lips when she's pulling one of those "I am not proud of America right now" faces.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:08 No.4664531
    maybe you shouldn't have murdered so many women and children if you don't want people to hate you.

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:09 No.4664544
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    The Illuminati are real, and God help us...

    is that a man made out of shit taking a shit?

    I sooooo need to re-read that book.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:10 No.4664548
    Did you not read the book?



    Even giant shit demons.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:10 No.4664553
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    The Panama thing went right over your head, didn't it?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:17 No.4664597
    I got it and was trying to infer that, comparitavely, McCain and Palin both made full disclosures of their pasts, their medical and academic records and pretty much everything else pertinent about them.
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    Your wish is my command.

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:21 No.4664638
    This is true. Palin didn't even try to hide the fact that her little whore daughter got knocked up while she was claiming abstinence-only education works.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:23 No.4664650
    this thread is unbelievably stupid.
    This is what it all boils down to.

    >My opinion is fundamentally better than yours because I say so
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:25 No.4664666
    Good thing Obama cut all the Abstinence funding from the Budget. A full billion dollars was being pissed away for that crap
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:26 No.4664678

    Wait... is this for real? We spent a billion dollars a year telling teenagers "just don't fuck" and not teaching them how to have safe sex?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:27 No.4664683
    Do you really think we should hold people in Alaska to the same requirements as the rest of us?

    What the fuck else are they going to do other than hunt vampires, drink, and point their guns across the Bering?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:27 No.4664686

    Now if only we could do something about the other 3 trillion+ dollars that he flushing down the crapper.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:28 No.4664695
    yes, this is why we hate conservatives,
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:33 No.4664738
    >Palin didn't even try to hide the fact that her little whore daughter got knocked up while she was claiming abstinence-only education works.

    >"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," [Palin] said during a debate in Juneau.

    I need to give you a Google cache link because the LA Times in under maintenance at the moment.

    Now, on one hand it could just be that you're one of those people who keep hearing bullshit about Palin and then repeating it whether it's true or not because you're an ass. However, it's possible that you're just mistaken here. See, the position of the GoP and most conservatives is, to grab a quote from that same article, "abstinence until marriage is the only safe way to avoid pregnancy and disease" and it is, if you look at it from a 100% guarantee point of view. The only way to avoid pregnancy and STIs with a 100% success rate is to not have sex.

    The problem, of course, is that not everybody is going to stick to abstinence. Due to this, kids need to learn about contaceptives. Palin supports this position. You seem to be confusing the position of "abstinence is the only 100% effective way of preventing pregnancy" as "abstinence is the only way of preventing pregnancy that should be taught in schools" which is not her position.


    Is there any more bullshit and lies you'd like to spread about a good woman that I can debunk while I'm still here?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:34 No.4664745
    Yep. How people spend that money is beyond me. I remember back in high school some people were handing out fliers and pamphlets that said "Sex makes babies and you cant afford it as a teenager"
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:35 No.4664747
    That money was not used as intended. The liberals in congress pushed their own sex ed shit and drowned out the truth.

    the easiest way to avoid detrimental std's, such as babies, is to not have sex in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:36 No.4664761
    This. Palin might not be the absolute sharpest tool in the drawer, but she's competent, and her policies are consistent. The smear campaign to make her look like an idiot was completely unjustified.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:38 No.4664778

    I thought we were talking about Sarah Palin. Who's this "good woman" you're talking about?

    And if the conservatives are so pro-contraception, why don't they want kids to now how to use it properly?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:41 No.4664802
    Faggots need to stop arguing about politics and get to the real important issue here, what happened to the guy's army?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:45 No.4664825
    >Liberals Drowned out the truth

    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:46 No.4664833
    >In recent years, parental support for real abstinence education has grown. Because of this, many traditional safe-sex programs now take to calling themselves "abstinence plus" or "abstinence-based" education. In reality, there is little abstinence training in "abstinence-based" education. Instead, these programs are thinly disguised efforts to promote condom use. The actual content of most "abstinence plus" curricula would be alarming to most parents. For example, such programs typically have condom use exercises in which middle school students practice unrolling condoms on cucumbers or dildoes.

    okay- so while being pro-contraception Palin is still staunchly supported by the very same organizations that make statements like these? 'kay sure, whhhhynot?

    It's a wonder why some perfectly logical people stumble on their own feet to try to defend an indefensible position- even if SP had, at one point, been a vocal advocate of contraceptive education in schools since the aug. 2008 nomination to GOP VP she has since veered right to pander to the same people that have support the above statement.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:47 No.4664844

    You're excluding Plain from the definition of a good woman on what grounds?

    She runs her State well, she's a dedicated and caring mother who supports and forgives her kids when they fuck up, she doesn't use her power to force her religion on her State: see the pro-conraception point above and just what are you basing this slur on?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:50 No.4664869
    Do you have a source for that, brah?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:52 No.4664896
    From this thread I gather that abstinence-only sex-ed will work only if every 9th grader in America is given Assault of Blackreach.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:54 No.4664908
    get back to /k/ where you normally hang out "bro"
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:55 No.4664917
    So that's a no?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:57 No.4664940
    not my comment so I can't give you a source, i'll look for it anyway tho.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)03:57 No.4664942
    Is this shit archived? clearly this jon's chaos has tainted the entirety of TG
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:00 No.4664973

    that didn't take as long as I expected
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:00 No.4664979

    No one who, as mayor, shifts the tax burden in her town from the rich to the poor fits my definition of good. Which is what replacing property tax with sales tax does.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:02 No.4664996

    How I did it
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:03 No.4665006
    It's cool, man. I was just being snarky. I've already Googled up a copy of what looks to be the original at:


    The article looks to be an independent journal. I don't know about the history of the author or the publication, but it looks legit and his assertions sourced.

    I'm not seeing how this is tied to Palin, but if she's supporting researched, sourced journal articles, I'm not seeing what the problem is. Unless the problem is that she's agreeing with something that the poster in question found objectionable, which, at the end of the day, is really his own damn problem.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:06 No.4665034
    You say this like wealthy people don't purchase things. Are the people on the ground complaining? I mean, she had what, a ~80-90% approval rating before the 2008 elections?

    People who are taking the food out of people's mouths don't have approval ratings that high.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:17 No.4665150

    I don't suppose the fact that she was cutting people checks with oil money had anything to do with this. If every year at taxtime Ed Rendell sent me a check for $2500, I'd vote for him for dictator. And i said as mayor, not governor.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:29 No.4665272
    It's not like she was buying votes though. It's policy to give proceeds from Alaskan oil to Alaskans. It's just one of their State things.

    But, in any case, here's the deal. To achieve social/class advancement you need money. The goal of a good government is to try and get as many people moving up as you can. So you try and get people off welfare, you expand the middle class and you try and turn the middle class into the wealthy.

    The two primary ways that people will do this is by investing in shares or creating a business. Impediments to this are the capital gains tax and property taxes. If property taxes are the main source of your government's revenue, they're liable to quite high and this WILL kill off small businesses.

    Small businesses are one of the largest providers of jobs in America. In small towns, this is even more pronounced. By lowering property taxes you enable more small businesses to survive and grow and encourage other people to create businesses as well. By doing this you can grow your town's economy.

    The government still needs revenue for roads, school, welfare and such, however. So, the taxes need to be applied somewhere else. Sales tax is good for this because it's distributed across your entire consumer base, which isn't just limited to your town's population meaning you can tax tourists and travellers. And sales tax is more of a nickle and dime system, it's small amounts of money by a lot of people over a decent period of time, so it isn't crippling. In addition, land owners and the wealthy will still be paying taxes because they will still need to be purchasing things.

    Economically, it just makes sense to me. Can you elaborate on your objections to it a little more for me?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:37 No.4665349

    You're fucking retarded if you think that sales tax effects the rich and the poor equally.

    In a way, it does, in that everyone pays the same rate of sales tax on purchases. In another, more significant way, you're taking a much larger percentage of the incomes of the poor in taxes than you are from the rich.

    How much more a week do you think someone who makes $500,000 a year spends on groceries than someone who makes $25,000? The answer is not too fucking much.

    How much more per year does someone who makes 500K a year pay in property taxes than someone who makes 25K? The answer is "a lot."

    The net effect is you lower the tax burden on businesses and the upper class by increasing the tax burden on the lower class. This, by the by, also applies to "fair tax" Huckabee and other equally retarded people are always talking about.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:39 No.4665364
    Can this get anymore off topic?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:48 No.4665446
    So, what you're saying is that it's not fair if everybody is paying the same amount of tax?

    I know it sounds nice and pretty to say "they have more, they should pay more" but this kind of philosophy will tax yourself into stagnation and ruin. Especially considering that the wealthy are already paying more in the form of income tax.

    Businesses with more money can afford to expand and hire more workers. This lowers your unemployment rate which gets people off welfare which lowers your government expenditure. This enables the government to then holistically lower taxes, or have more money to spend on infrastructure or education.

    You seem to be implying that Palin is some kind of monster for doing this, but if people were hurting and starving in the street she'd not have had such high approval ratings.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:50 No.4665470

    You're right. Everyone should pay the same amount of taxes. Let's say $5000 a year. No matter what your income is. That's fair, right? Because everyone pays the same amount, and those that have more don't have to pay more.

    But we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I'm a progressive and you're a moron.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)04:53 No.4665499
    This is one of the few things I agree with conservatives on. The only place the rich should have to pay more taxes then anyone else is when it comes to income tax.

    Tax cuts really need to stop until our nation is not trillions in debt. I don't care what kind of argument you make
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)05:01 No.4665560
    You sure are a classy fellow but I doubt you're even reading what I'm writing.

    The wealthy are already paying more than the non-wealthy, I made a point of this. I have no particular opinion for or against it. You seem to be a proponent of some kind of Robin Hood stick it to the rich mentality but property taxes aren't sticking it to the rich. The rich can easily pay their property taxes. Small businesses, however, cannot. Their ability to operate and grow will be slowed and their ability to survive will be threatened. This will harm your economy.

    In Palin's second term the people of Wasilla voted for an increase of the sale tax by .5% for the construction of a sports center. If this was such a grave injustice and such a threat to their lives, why did they vote for it?

    Honestly, I don't think you give a shit about the people of Wasilla and if the economic models they used worked or not. I think your objection here is that someone, somewhere did something that you are opposed to ideologically and damned if it worked or not.

    In addition, you have been needlessly aggressive. Instead of a calm, rational discussion you've just thrown down insults and emotion instead of polite, clearly laid out assertions of what you believe and why.

    Is there a reason that you're displaying such hostility?
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)05:10 No.4665624
    It depends on how deeply in debt the government is and what the state of the economy is like. I know you said you wouldn't agree with me, and that's cool, but I'm going to make my case and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it anyway.

    If you cut taxes people have more money in their pockets to spend and businesses have more money to hire people with. This is good because it works perpetually instead of being a one shot and it doesn't require any real government work so the chance of corruption and government fuck ups goes down. The best way to stimulate an economy is to cut taxes.

    Now, if your economy is damaged then you need to fix it. The Keynsian approach is to defecit spend on infrastructure to jump start the economy by getting the unemployed and giving them a source of income which will help the economy. Once the economy has been restored to a good working order they can be transitioned back into permanent work.

    So, if your economy is in the shit you do need to spend some cash. But one of the worst things you can do is to prop up failing businesses without reforming them because while you are saving people jobs you're just delaying future economic problems at a huge price. So that when shit hits the fan again in six to twenty-four months time, you're in the same position you were before, but now you're broke.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)06:09 No.4665968

    You know why I'm hostile? we've had 30 years of "Tax cuts are the answer to everything" trickle-down voodoo economics that have lead us to the recession we're in today, and people are still running around going "herpadurp lower taxes."

    Trickle-down economics assumes that if you cut taxes on big business, they will use it to hire staff and expand. In the real world, they pay dividends to shareholders, the majority of shares being held by people who are already rich. And then we cut the capital gains tax on the dividends.

    And small businesses are a great thing to hide behind. "You can't raise the minimum wage, not paying workers enough money to live on is how small businesses stay open" "You can't raise taxes on individuals makes $250K a year, they could be small business owners."

    Every time the right wants to give a little more money to the rich, it's for small businesses. Which is bullshit. Almost every town in america already gives tax incentives to businesses, most of them quite substantial.

    That's it, it's the same voodoo economics bullshit Reagan and Thatcher were throwing around. And Keynsian economics was never the issue. It's supply-side economics, which is complete and total bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 05/26/09(Tue)06:39 No.4666119
    The current economic problems don't have their foundations in Reaganomic, though. It comes from large businesses with unsustainable business models on the verge of bankruptcy, unwise lending by banks and acquisition and trading of debt as a commodity.

    Of the woes that can be placed at the feet of Reaganomics, this isn't one of them.

    I'm also not arguing against raising the minimum wage or for tax cuts for the wealthy only. In regards to minimum wage, you need to ensure that your consumer base has a spendable income to grow your economy. The more money that people have available to them the better off things are. I'm fine with the minimum wage being raised but you understand this has repurcussions, right? Once you raise the minimum wage the business owner will need to raise product prices to pay for it. If this happens holistically across every industry, then awesome your wage has increased, but it doesn't mean jackshit because coupled with the increased price of goods and services your purchasing power is the same as it was before.

    I don't like seeing people scraping by any more than you do but the problem isn't as easy as just raising wages. The solution is to live frugally, save money, get educated if you've not already, and get into an industry that isn't paying you minimum wage and once you're there, don't live beyond means while concurrently investing.

    To hark back to an earlier point though. If you want to increase people's standard of living and raising the minimum wage won't do that, how do you ensure that they have more money in their pockets?

    If you want a hint, it rhymes with Butt Faxes.
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