The next day when we went to the store all of his stuff was gone from inside of the store. And his car was no longer in the parking lot. The staff claimed to know nothing about anything that happend.

Well after a few weeks of not seeing jon, I decided to look him up on google. And my result was this page.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/huynh-beach-long-2355620-roommate-kate?orderby=TimeStampDescendin
g&showRecommendedOnly=0&oncommentsPage=2#slComments

Allegedly our friend jon had strangled his girlfriend to death, slept on it, and then went to games-workshop in the morning for a game of 40k.

This is not a troll post, or anything else. Simply one 40k player saying goodbye to a member of the community.

He was a good nurgle player. And shall be missed

What about his girlfriend?

>>4663120
A man needs his 40K above all else.

>>4663120
she.. died.. didn't you read the article?

>>4663120
She did not understand the teachings of entropy and that all things must die

Hmm. Shoulda played Slaanesh instead.

>>4663103
What happened to his Nurgle army? Is it ok? Did you ind it? God I hope that nothing bad happened to it.

>>4663120
nothing of value was lost

>>4663120
Must've chipped the paint job on one of his Plaguebearers. Poor girl didn't realize...

FaggotK player strangling someone? believable.

FaggotK player having a non-rented girlfriend? Site hax.

>>4663103

Warhammerfags, get ready for some witch-hunts!

Going to play some 40K in the joint with him OP?

I'm disapoint that the article doesn't say something like

"Police arrested the man at a local game store in which he was playing with tiny plastic mans covered in wounds and sores"

>nothing of value was lost

The fuck you say. Nurgle is awesome!

Hey, OP, do you know a guy named Steve?

>>4663100
>>4663103
>>4663116

Sounds like he should've gone with Khorne

May the Emprah rest his noble soul.

Holy fucking balls. This isn't Ork Player Ryan posting is it? Good lord I was just there a few weeks back myself... That guy Steve who'se been putting together Valhallans for like 10 years now.

Well, since he was your friend, I would say that it would've been safer to take his army home with you to give back to him later, rather than just leaving it in the store. As it turned out, you probably could've ended up keeping the army that way.

>>4663164

Hey NIU fag here, me and my roommates used to play M:tG with the guy who did the NIU valentine's shooting last year. That was a fucking mind trip.

>>4663175
They're coming out pretty nice. I've seen them. He's just slow on painting.

>>4663120
She will not be missed. She was a nagging bitch, and he did nothing but complain that she was bitching at him

>>4663146
He was building a emperors children army, he used a lot of greenstuff on his nurgle to make them look plaguey, he was sculpting 6pack abs on all of the emperors children.

I still have some of his stuff, but he still has some of mine. He was in debt for the while before he was taken away so he was selling off his armies for pretty cheap.

Guess he won't be getting into fantasy anymore :/

>>4663100
Uhh... blood for the blood god?

lmao, I love how nobody really has any remorse for the girlfriend.

I love you /tg/

>block of orange in california

Holy Fuck, that's the store I go to.

Never think I met the person OP is talking about though.

>Steve?

Does he frequent this store and talk way too fucking much because his "neurodiversity" renders him totally unable to see that the person he's forcing himself on wants absolutely shit nothing to do with him?

Now, I'm not the OP, but if that's the guy you're talking about, yeah, I know him.

>>4663173
>May Nurgle rest his tainted soul.

>>4663164

The old redshirt or the guy that got banned from the bunker for stealing paint?

>>4663197
Women have no souls.

For a dude who played Nurgle, this seems a little slaneshi to me.

The absolute lack of planning or concern for the inevitable aftermath would do his pustulant patron proud, though.

Oh hey, I know that GW.

SATANIC GAMES.

ALL OF YOU ARE HOSTS FOR THE DEMONS!

YOU CAN TRY TO TAKE GOD OUT OF OUR COUNTRY BUT JESUS WILL PREVAIL!

This is the most recent photo of him that I took off his myspace.

He was usually only there during the mornings

>>4663203
>>4663218

Nah the big guy who plays Vallhallans, he apparently doesn't go there very often, but he's a good friend of mine. Jesus I'll never be able to look at the block the same way again.

>>4663259
YER GOD'Z FINE WIV US IF 'E'Z GOOD FER A SCRAP!

>>4663280
I have never seen someone with more then 5 valhallan models in that store, or any other for that matter.

>>4663294
Shame, he's a nice guy and plays well.

I just called the store and they said they can't talk about a guy named jon

714 769 3189

>>4663352
Ask for battle toads.

Orange County is fully is rich Republican assholes that have nothing better to do that bust kids for having a few ounces.

LOL at a Warham nerd being a huge drug kingpin.

The store has gone through a few managers. There was a British guy who was awesome years ago, then ousted for not moving enough product. Next up was Chris Cailor, who was kind of a douche. Not sure who's working there now.

>>4663100


Sounds like someone got a dear john letter

ho
ho
ho
ho

>>4663294

I'm not local to that store, but I have a short platoon of Valhallans and wish I had more...

It went to a guy named walker who failed the store in northridge, then moved to the bunker and caused half of the store to quit, then to the block where he was fired for being horrible. He was also chris cailor's roommate.

Now its some short guy named juan

>>4663294

was it these five?

Here is his myspace. http://www.myspace.com/jaynsho
Here is his girlfriends myspace. http://www.myspace.com/imatwinkie27

>>4663474
"I'm so shocked! I hate that this happened to you...I will never forget you and I hate that you won't be there tomorrow! Everyone will miss you! Much love and prayers Kate"

What a deep eulogy.

>>4663513
What can you expect from a woman?

Is sending friend requests to dead people in poor taste?

Ha ha. Oh shit, I'll have to ask the guys at the GW when I go in. Crazy.

hope he still has feel no pain when it is his turn to be the strangled girlfriend, in prison

seriously, fuck nurgle players and their plague marines

>>4663513
I love how kate asks what yuffie is, probably the final straw

>>4663545
Probably. Don't expect much of a response, either.

Wow guys, lets not turn into /b/ here, this is one of the good boards, not one of the laugh at the dead and harass their family members boards.

>>4663577
It's still 4chan, and we're all basically dead souls anyway

>>4663431
oh god i so know juan , he used to work at the one in ontario ,why'd he leave us ;<

That's funny, the father of one of the girls who play at my store was arrested on charges of child pornography.

...Now it makes sense why she was playing Slaanesh.

>>4663632
Because they moved his brother steve there, and they cant have relatives working at the same store.

and they fired walker / needed a new manager at the block

Kinda sad reading his brothers comments and shit on his myspace, he's going to get back from iraq to find his brother in jail.

Poor jon.

>>4663562

I hope he has not. But I belive this ghuy will commit soucide sooner or later, so why care...

BREAKING NEWS!!! FANTASY GAMER STRUGLES HIS GIRFRIEND TO DEATH UNDER THE SATANIC INFLUENCE OF WARGAME!

His mother launchs campaing agains wargames!

Should we ban satanic imagery from games?

>>4663773
He killed another person.

Does this strike anyone else as sad?

He comes home, gets into a fight with his girlfriend, strangles her. Sleeps on it. Knows he's going to get caught (didn't clean up the scene of the crime)

So what does he do on his last day as a free man?

He goes to the shop to hang with the guys and maybe play a game of 40k with the community as the police close in on him.

Nurgle watch over your diseased soul Jon.

>>4663857
Guess that makes it a FAMILY TRADITION THEN TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

HO HO HO HO.

>>4663842
>Should we ban satanic imagery from games?
If we did this then that'd raise the question of banning Satanic imagery from movies, art, literature, and anything else protected by the first amendment of the US constitution. But the thing is. Games Workshop is based in England which do NOT have to abide by American decree. Though they do not have the 1st amendment as we do to protect them from this sort of thing. I think that is satanic imagery should be banned in games then it should be banned from the fucking bible too. as that's the most influential work of fiction on the market today. /rant

>>4663668
i find this somewhat arousing

feel free to elaborate

>>4663878
we dont have a first amendment,but the southern part of our country doesnt think everything is the work of the devil so maybe we dont need one

>>4663877
The military brother has the added perk of being a suspected right-wing extremist by Homeland Security, though.

>>4663901
Still, it's always good to get those things in writing.

>>4663818

Through early morning fog I see

visions of the things to be

the pains that are withheld for me

I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]:

that suicide is painless

It brings on many changes

and I can take or leave it if I please.

>>4663906
You have this backwards. Homeland Security didn't say they thought vets were right-wing extremists, they said right-wing extremists are trying to recruit vets.

It seems semantic, but there's a WORLD of difference.

>>4663860

Same here. Warhammer's Chaos is about all that intrigues me about the setting (well, that and the undead), but what really gets me is the way Chaos is not just another WE'RE EVIL CUZ WE'RE FROM SPESS HELL kind of force, but rather, its so utterly human.

Its not Cthulhu driving you insane, its the darkness of the human heart made manifest, like the Jungian shadow. And in true Nurglesque fashion, he didn't even hope to avoid his fate, he just in the end accepted it placidly.

>>4663936

I know its the fact that he plays 40k that turns me biased, but I hope whatever inner demons that plague him are eventually purged from his system.

>>4663926

And yet they had to apologize for writing it that way. I once heard that only a third of the country is truly literate. This makes me believe it...

>>4663926
Ah. Well, that still implies that veterans would make easy targets for right-wing extremist groups.

>>4663926
Obviously they're not gonna say VETS = TERRORISTS, that's retarded, but rather that vets are likely to become terrorists. DHS are a bunch of dicks and they need to be watched like fucking hawks.

>>4663959
I bet that much more than 33% of the population can read. It's thinking that's the problem, especially when people let television news and/or talk radio--from either side--do the thinking for them. I try to avoid that trap, and I still fell into it regarding this issue. Thank you for the clarification, gro/tg/itz.

>>4663877

i see what you did there... I lol'd.

>>4663947
Well, as any 40k player knows, whenever you've got daemons in you, the only cure is a bolt to the cranium.

Shoulda an heroed.

>>4663974
Americans = terrorists

>>4663960
No, it implies that right-wing extremists want people with combat experience, and that of the millions of people who have served in the military, they can probably find one or two that are sympathetic to their cause, and a good way to ferret out people who want to be domestic terrorists would be to watch for groups that are approaching veterans.

You just want it to be "lol Obama hates veterans" when it's so far from that that it's laughable anyone thinks it.

If the guy didn't even try and make a break for freedom when the po-po came for him, he might not have done it at all. Dude might be innocent.

>>4663992
She strangled herself to put him in prison.

>>4663922
The game of life is hard to play.

I'm gonna lose it anyway.

A losing hand I'll someday lay,

And this is all I have to say....

>You just want it to be "lol Obama hates veterans"

Who the FUCK said anything about Obama? Did Obama personally come up with this idea? Obama's been a pretty straight up dude so far, including ruling out an assault weapon ban.

>>4663197

Sympathy is another word in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

Asian bitch probably opened her nasty little eggroll hole one too many times and nerd rage kicked in.

>>4664004

It's his appointees that wrote the memo (and the one about left-wing terror groups) and i have yet to see someone bring up this issue without trying to make it be "Obama/Democrats/Nancy Pelosi hate our troops"

Not surprised about Walker in the slightes

Chad, or Shad, or whatever the fuck his name was Keatings was a total toolbag as well

"YAH BRAH I FUCKING LOVE THIS GRIMDARK GAME, even though I make shit wages, poor enough so me and my glop of shit wife can't afford any car nicer than a used early-90 jeep/SUV, I'll fucking SELL MY LIFE AWAY TO THIS COMPANY, since the fact that my arms are covered in shitty 80s death metal tats means I'll never be able to hold down a job anywhere else. yeah, I'll fucking SPEND YEARS pissing my life away for this company, then act surprised when I get canned.

>>4664009

sure is /b/ in here.

>>4664003
The only way to win is cheat

And lay it down before I'm beat

and to another give my seat

for that's the only painless feat.

>>63990

most libtards DO hate vets and the military

speaking as somone who lves in one of the biggest cestpools of liberal hate in the country...and has to deal with liberal hate on a dialy basis because I am a vet...yeah..libs hate vets

>>4664043
>lves
>cestpools
>dialy

Maybe you should have gone to school instead.

>>4664043

Sir, did your hand get shot off in the war? You're having difficulty typing.

>>4664012
Your point's getting increasingly tenuous there bra, going from "people use this as a way to criticize Obama over stupid shit" to implying its wrong to criticize democrats at ALL.

>>4664043
What the fuck are you talking about. I've never seen anybody outright say they "Hate" the military, Even we Liberals know where the line is.

You're probably thinking about those teenage anarchists from rich families.

>>4664043
Just because you're a murderer is no reason to insult the good men and women who don't want to see people like you perpetrate acts of violence against innocent women and children just because they have darker skin than you.

Happy Memorial day, Asshole.

>>4664002

Well the article only says he's accused, and that he hasn't even been arraigned yet. Fuck, maybe the girlfriend was cheating on him and the other guy killed her, I dunno.

It just seems weird to me that an obviously guilty person would just go with the police instead of trying to run or at least die a free man. It wasn't even like they had him surrounded, it was a couple of officers who came down to the store. He probably could have made it to his car and at least taken them on a nice high-speed chase before slamming his car into a concrete wall.

>>4664043
I once encountered a conservative who coughed. CONSERVATIVES HATE AIR, FUCKING POLLUTERS.

I once met a liberal with a broken foot. LIBERALS HATE WALKING, FUCKING LAZY BASTARDS.

tl;dr: Your generalisation fails.

>>4663979

The ratio I heard was that about one-third are functionally or truly illiterate, another third only read by necessity (street signs, bills, etc), and the final third are "easily" literate. Of that final third, only a third of THEM read for leisure or have much skill at interpretation. Semantics, for example.

The report was commissioned by the Bush administration, and is apparently on a regular schedule. The DHS and intel agencies redo these threat analyses constantly, but only chunk out a "press friendly" report when requested.

The statement was really a no-brainer, too. Of COURSE extremists want to recruit military experience. DUH!

The report on left-wing groups within the US didn't include similar warnings, despite being prepared and released during the Bush Administration. Why? Political considerations, or because the American Left *at the moment* doesn't tend towards bomb-throwing? Better informed pundits than 4chan have and will go around in circles on that one, so I'm not going to bother...

>>4664043
That's odd. I live in Seattle, and they are all cool with me. I don't know, maybe it's just because I don't do the whole "I'm a HERO! You owe me your freedom, hippy!" bullshit.

Or maybe it's just you they hate.

>>4664074

fuck you you piece of shit

>>4664081
Seriously.

Am I the only one who remembers that the second worst terrorist act committed on American soil was committed by a right wing extremist who had been in the military?

Pitysaging a shit thread.

>>4664043

10/10 successful troll is successful

well done sir

>>4664090
Step on an IED, jarhead.

>>4663990
Uhhh...you brought up the President, not me.

Are left-wing extremist groups trying to recruit veterans?

>>4664094

It wasn't always a shit thread.

>>4664099

its not a troll post

I don't hold the actions of Obama's appointees against him, just as I don't count the good things that Bush's appointees did as mitigating factors.

This thread has graduated from "murderer has one last game of 40K" to hilarious in 2 hours.

>>4664110
Shut up and pick a side! I need to know if you're a filthy Reaganite who must be purged in the name of the Obamacracy!

>>4664070
Go to Berkeley.

>>4664043
>>4664084

Lol'ing hard

>>4664123

obamanation

>>4664081

It's worse than that. Only 34% of Americans have read a book in the past year, and 30% have NEVER read an entire book.

>>4664103

Like I said, that's always been the implication. Limbaugh and Hannity et al. had a field day with the whole right-wing extremists memo. Past the first day when MSNBC and CNN were covering it, I've never heard anyone bring it up without trying to make it into a liberals hate the military thing. Ever.

I'm just sayin'

>>4664090

Blow me, babykiller.

ITT, fags baw.

both literal homosexuals, and just whiny crybabies who are often called "fags," which is kind of homophobic.

The point is, everyone in this thread is terrible.

>>4664133
Berkeley is an outlier, and even liberals hate those ineffectual cryfag retards.

Fuck you and your BUT THE DURTY LIE-BRULS DUNT LIEK ME whining. Few nations' soldiers in history have enjoyed such reverence from the civilian populace as American troops, and my hatred isn't reserved for the troops but for shitheads like the Chimp who threw lives and money away for a reason that still hasn't materialized.

>>4664133
The entirety of Californa's Subhuman. Why the fuck are you listening to them? They're not liberals, Just a bunch of idiots.

Shame one of them's currently running the House of Reps.

Why the fuck am I posting in this thread again? I just saged it.

>>4664138
Serpent-tongued right-spawn!

>>4664140

heh.

>>4664140
You wouldn't happen to have figures on how many of them have actually read the Bible, would you?

>>4664024

I have no idea who you are talking about? Are you talking about the guy who plays nids named Derek?

>>4664152
>everyone in this thread is terrible.
>4chan

>>4664142

Liberals don't hate the military.

They hate America; or at least all that it has stood for in the past: freedom, honor, etc.

>>4664103

No idea, but it's not something I've looked into recently. With the biggest leftist actions happening elsewhere in the world and largely Soviet orphan projects gone weird, the militant face of The Left isn't really a big deal in the US right now.

"Wait, Communists?" I hear you ask. "What about China?"

China has fingers all over, but calling them "Leftists" is a stretch. China is that way because that's what China does. It isn't recent, nor specific to the Mao Dynasty.

>>4664152
Better or worse than the guy who strangled his long time girlfriend to get more time to play 40k?

>>4664189
Oh come on. I know we're all trolling eachother here, but could you at least TRY to disguise it?

>>4664189
Do they hate American ideals? Not necessarily.

Will their ideas bankrupt the country if implemented? Yeah, as our currently-skyrocketing debt proves.

>>4664189

I am a liberal and i do not hate the military

90% of my free time is used playing military games.

I love playing flames of WAR

I have a german SS army which is nothing but VETS. Fearless mother fucking vets

so fuck you when you say liberals hate war and vets. you pussy

>>4664189

Been listening to Coulter a lot, eh?

Asian looking people shouldn't play traditional games. Appearantly it makes them go apeshit bananas even moreso than the average fa/tg/uy.

>>4664222
Its because they can't be fat. Have you ever tried to eat only rice with chopsticks. Its a fucking workout.

>>4664201

Obama's plan for America is to turn it into a feudalistic society in which he, the 'savior king,' governs every aspect of our lives.

>>4664142

The fact that both parties masturbate over the power of the DHS and that both have elements that want to paint vets as the enemy handily disproves that this is some fucking partisan notion.

In fact, it was McCain who wanted to fucking disarm vets whereas if Obama sekritly haets military he at least deserves props for keeping quiet about it.

>>4664231

So can I be a knight and shit?

>>4664235
I'm gonna ask God-King Obama if I can paint my knight armor black and put skulls on it.

>>4664232
Yeah, you're right, and I probably jumped to a conclusion I shouldn't have.

Goddamnit! I say this >>4664201, and then you assholes >>4664207, >>4664211, and >>4664214 immediately feed him.

>>4664235

Naw, your job will either be plowing a fields with your hands, or shinning the inside of Obama's golden toilet bowl with your tongue.

The second choice being considered a great honor by the general populace.

Anyone that disagrees with the king shall be purged.

>>4664256
Glad we're in agreement. Although I do think Limbaugh deserves at least some props for being a /tg/ style hurrtroll.

/tg/ - Old /n/

>>4664261
>Anyone that disagrees with the king shall be purged.

Maybe they will be able to work that provision into the next PATRIOT Act.

>>4664261

And in a hundred years, after the founders are all dead, a new religion will be formed. It shall use the symbol for infinity, representing the eternal might of its two deities, Oprah and Obama; side by side forever.

>>4664211
Dude people play FoW in /tg/?
I thought it was all 40k and furry shit. Tell me more...
I have a LW American Armored Company.

What do ya think of Midwar monsters? Stupid faggot shit if you ask me.

>>4664278

You know, reading the Patriot Act is scary as shit. The provisions in there are insanely abusable.

>>4664280

"Oprah, Obama. Forever and Always. Amen."

>>4664280

Protip: You don't have to be a Conservative for this to scare you.

>>4664231

And by what devious tool of left-wing mind control does he intend to execute this plot - psychiatry, or fluoridated water?

>>4664304

Do you even watch the news? The liberal media has an orgasm every time he opens his deliciously seductive mouth and serenades us with his brilliant oratory skills...

does he work for Tszeentch or Slaanesh?

this thread keeps getting dumber and dumber

>>4664292
I think midwar monsters is eh pretty cool guy, I get more models then actual vehicles were producesd, use them in any midwar list and doesnt afraid of anything

i just hope they come out with a late war leviathans book so i can field an atomic bomb

>>4664331

Ron Paul 2012!

>>4664261
This is shit.

If we get neo-Stalin complete with personality cult and we don't even get the benefits of Stalin's downright awesome moustache. History, Sir, has gypped us. Gypped us HARD.

>>4664331
I think people are just having fun trolling one another with politics at this point.

>>4664343

He still has time to grow a stash.

Pole time!

Hitler stash v/ Stalin Stash

Go!

>>4663860

Never thought of it as deep as that, sad, really.

>>4664340

He can't win, don't jizz yourself.

>>4664359

He's got a chance!

>>4664359
He's got a chance!

We'll be heading into auto-sage before long, and we'll all be better off if this stops when it hits page 11...

>>4664140
I'm calling bullshit on that until I see the study. Way more than 2/3rds of americans went to highschool (which requires reading a book) if not even fucking graduating (which requires reading several).

Also, all you politic fags are kidding yourselves. The illuminati run the government and its all a plot to turn us against each other so we don't realize that the true enemy is xenu. Fuckin xenu created the illuminati, and the scientologists are here to save us. SAVE US TOM CRUISE. Seriously though you guys are idiots.

>>4664389
They don't teach very much in school these days.

>does he work for Tszeentch

Yes. Hope and change, etc. Its not even a stretch. It also helps that he ran against McCain, who was cancertastic, a symbol of the stagnant as fuck GOP, and every aspect of his campaign strategy shouted the Nurglesque philosophy of PLANS? WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN PLANS!

>>4664389

The Illuminati are real, and God help us, they have super-powers.

>>4664400
Man I was just there...I had to read several books per year starting in sixth grade. I'm sure you be able to get by without reading all of some of them, but eventually you'll be finishing a book.

>>4663842

Satan's a faggot.

My god sits aloft a throne of skulls with a battleaxe the size of a titan.

>>4664383

Yeah, in France! Bet you'd vote for Palin!

archive this shit

>>4664351
He's not going to. He doesn't have a proper head of hair.

He could grow some awesome hair. He'd look awesome with an afro or dreadlocks. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a racist thing. Any President would look awesome in an afro or dreads. It would be badass.

Yet he won't even grow his hair out. And why? Is it a habit from his coke addict days? I mean, come on, people aren't going to drug test the President. Kennedy was off his balls half the time from his pain medication for the first half of his Presidency and nobody said a damn thing.

If you're going to be a shit, power hungry President you need to at least be exciting. Look at Harding, he knew how to have a good time. Obama has serious room for improvement here.

>>4664425
Tis better to reign in Hell than to simply go HURR KILL SHIT 24/7 in Spess Hell.

>>4664389
>politic fags

We're socially apt fags?

I took AP english III and IV. I passed w/ a B and didn't read a third of the required material:

A Prayer for Owen Meany
Daisy Miller
The Awakening
The Communist Manifesto
See Spot Run

>>4664432
>I mean, come on, people aren't going to drug test the President.

Got a point there, he didn't even have to provide his birth certificate.

Birth certificate: Driver's License? REQUIRED!
President of the United States of America? FUCK NO!

>>4664411

The Illuminati are real, and God help them, they might turn against each other.

>>4664461
If it weren't so fucked up it would be hilarious.

Did you hear him say the other day that he'd likely never be an appointment to the SCOTUS because he doubts he'd pass the confirmation hearings?

>>4664189
no, thats what conservatives hate lol

>>4664447
But The Communist Manifesto is so fucking short.

>>4664461
Yeah, for all we know, he could have been born in Panama!

Oh hey, didn't notice I'd wandered onto a board full of /n/ refugees.

On the note of the OP, reminds me of a local hobby store getting closed down because the owner got (himself) busted for over 40 counts of statutory rape.

>>4664493
But so fucking boring.

>>4663128
...I was going to say I was surprised to see you outside of /m/, Rider. But then this is a thread about one creepy son of a bitch. so somehow, seeing you posting here seems appropriate.

Nagger or not, I am concerned about the girlfriend's innocence in the matter but I also saw

>california

and thought "Oh. Nothing unusual there, then."

CA and Florida; it's where Bad Shit Happens in the USA.

>>4663100
So, what, a third of /tg/ goes to THIS store?

>>4664515

Half, actually.

The rest just won't admit it.

>>4664496
Oh, indeed. I, personally, don't think he has many skeletons in his closet though. He has nothing to hide and that's why his records are all sealed tighter than Michelle's lips when she's pulling one of those "I am not proud of America right now" faces.

>>4664043
maybe you shouldn't have murdered so many women and children if you don't want people to hate you.

BWA BWA, MORALFAGS RUIN EVERYTHING. JUST BECAUSE I KILL PEOPLE AND LAUGH DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. I SHOULD GET TO DO WHAT I WANT AND NOT BE CALLED NAMES OR SENT TO TRIAL

>>4664469

The Illuminati are real, and God help us...

is that a man made out of shit taking a shit?

I sooooo need to re-read that book.

>>4664544
Did you not read the book?

EVERYBODY POOPS.

EVERYBODY.

Even giant shit demons.

>>4664529
The Panama thing went right over your head, didn't it?

>>4664577
I got it and was trying to infer that, comparitavely, McCain and Palin both made full disclosures of their pasts, their medical and academic records and pretty much everything else pertinent about them.

>>4664427

Your wish is my command.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4663100/

>>4664597
This is true. Palin didn't even try to hide the fact that her little whore daughter got knocked up while she was claiming abstinence-only education works.

this thread is unbelievably stupid.
This is what it all boils down to.

>My opinion is fundamentally better than yours because I say so

>>4664638
Good thing Obama cut all the Abstinence funding from the Budget. A full billion dollars was being pissed away for that crap

>>4664666

Wait... is this for real? We spent a billion dollars a year telling teenagers "just don't fuck" and not teaching them how to have safe sex?

>>4664638
Do you really think we should hold people in Alaska to the same requirements as the rest of us?

What the fuck else are they going to do other than hunt vampires, drink, and point their guns across the Bering?

>>4664666

Now if only we could do something about the other 3 trillion+ dollars that he flushing down the crapper.

>>4664678
yes, this is why we hate conservatives,

>>4664638
>Palin didn't even try to hide the fact that her little whore daughter got knocked up while she was claiming abstinence-only education works.

>"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," [Palin] said during a debate in Juneau.

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:93cSEJXB9mQJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-sexed6+
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story&cd=1&hl=
en&ct=clnk

I need to give you a Google cache link because the LA Times in under maintenance at the moment.

Now, on one hand it could just be that you're one of those people who keep hearing bullshit about Palin and then repeating it whether it's true or not because you're an ass. However, it's possible that you're just mistaken here. See, the position of the GoP and most conservatives is, to grab a quote from that same article, "abstinence until marriage is the only safe way to avoid pregnancy and disease" and it is, if you look at it from a 100% guarantee point of view. The only way to avoid pregnancy and STIs with a 100% success rate is to not have sex.

The problem, of course, is that not everybody is going to stick to abstinence. Due to this, kids need to learn about contaceptives. Palin supports this position. You seem to be confusing the position of "abstinence is the only 100% effective way of preventing pregnancy" as "abstinence is the only way of preventing pregnancy that should be taught in schools" which is not her position.

THE MORE YOU KNOW.

Is there any more bullshit and lies you'd like to spread about a good woman that I can debunk while I'm still here?

>>4664678
Yep. How people spend that money is beyond me. I remember back in high school some people were handing out fliers and pamphlets that said "Sex makes babies and you cant afford it as a teenager"

>>4664695
That money was not used as intended. The liberals in congress pushed their own sex ed shit and drowned out the truth.

the easiest way to avoid detrimental std's, such as babies, is to not have sex in the first place.

>>4664738
This. Palin might not be the absolute sharpest tool in the drawer, but she's competent, and her policies are consistent. The smear campaign to make her look like an idiot was completely unjustified.

>>4664738

I thought we were talking about Sarah Palin. Who's this "good woman" you're talking about?

And if the conservatives are so pro-contraception, why don't they want kids to now how to use it properly?

Faggots need to stop arguing about politics and get to the real important issue here, what happened to the guy's army?

>>4664747
>Liberals Drowned out the truth

SOURCE OR IT NEVER HAPPENED.

>>4664738
>In recent years, parental support for real abstinence education has grown. Because of this, many traditional safe-sex programs now take to calling themselves "abstinence plus" or "abstinence-based" education. In reality, there is little abstinence training in "abstinence-based" education. Instead, these programs are thinly disguised efforts to promote condom use. The actual content of most "abstinence plus" curricula would be alarming to most parents. For example, such programs typically have condom use exercises in which middle school students practice unrolling condoms on cucumbers or dildoes.

okay- so while being pro-contraception Palin is still staunchly supported by the very same organizations that make statements like these? 'kay sure, whhhhynot?

It's a wonder why some perfectly logical people stumble on their own feet to try to defend an indefensible position- even if SP had, at one point, been a vocal advocate of contraceptive education in schools since the aug. 2008 nomination to GOP VP she has since veered right to pander to the same people that have support the above statement.

>>4664778
Wow.

You're excluding Plain from the definition of a good woman on what grounds?

She runs her State well, she's a dedicated and caring mother who supports and forgives her kids when they fuck up, she doesn't use her power to force her religion on her State: see the pro-conraception point above and just what are you basing this slur on?

>>4664833
Do you have a source for that, brah?

From this thread I gather that abstinence-only sex-ed will work only if every 9th grader in America is given Assault of Blackreach.

>>4664869
get back to /k/ where you normally hang out "bro"

>>4664908
So that's a no?

>>4664917
not my comment so I can't give you a source, i'll look for it anyway tho.

Is this shit archived? clearly this jon's chaos has tainted the entirety of TG

>>4664940
http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg1576.cfm

that didn't take as long as I expected

>>4664844

No one who, as mayor, shifts the tax burden in her town from the rich to the poor fits my definition of good. Which is what replacing property tax with sales tax does.

>>4664973
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22curricula+would+be+alarming+to+most+parents.%22&btnG=Googl
e+Search&aq=f&oq=%22curricula+would+be+alarming+to+most+parents.%22&fp=Li-R6mbKWrc

How I did it

>>4664940
It's cool, man. I was just being snarky. I've already Googled up a copy of what looks to be the original at:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/BG1533.cfm

The article looks to be an independent journal. I don't know about the history of the author or the publication, but it looks legit and his assertions sourced.

I'm not seeing how this is tied to Palin, but if she's supporting researched, sourced journal articles, I'm not seeing what the problem is. Unless the problem is that she's agreeing with something that the poster in question found objectionable, which, at the end of the day, is really his own damn problem.

>>4664979
You say this like wealthy people don't purchase things. Are the people on the ground complaining? I mean, she had what, a ~80-90% approval rating before the 2008 elections?

People who are taking the food out of people's mouths don't have approval ratings that high.

>>4665034

I don't suppose the fact that she was cutting people checks with oil money had anything to do with this. If every year at taxtime Ed Rendell sent me a check for $2500, I'd vote for him for dictator. And i said as mayor, not governor.

>>4665150
It's not like she was buying votes though. It's policy to give proceeds from Alaskan oil to Alaskans. It's just one of their State things.

But, in any case, here's the deal. To achieve social/class advancement you need money. The goal of a good government is to try and get as many people moving up as you can. So you try and get people off welfare, you expand the middle class and you try and turn the middle class into the wealthy.

The two primary ways that people will do this is by investing in shares or creating a business. Impediments to this are the capital gains tax and property taxes. If property taxes are the main source of your government's revenue, they're liable to quite high and this WILL kill off small businesses.

Small businesses are one of the largest providers of jobs in America. In small towns, this is even more pronounced. By lowering property taxes you enable more small businesses to survive and grow and encourage other people to create businesses as well. By doing this you can grow your town's economy.

The government still needs revenue for roads, school, welfare and such, however. So, the taxes need to be applied somewhere else. Sales tax is good for this because it's distributed across your entire consumer base, which isn't just limited to your town's population meaning you can tax tourists and travellers. And sales tax is more of a nickle and dime system, it's small amounts of money by a lot of people over a decent period of time, so it isn't crippling. In addition, land owners and the wealthy will still be paying taxes because they will still need to be purchasing things.

Economically, it just makes sense to me. Can you elaborate on your objections to it a little more for me?

>>4665272

You're fucking retarded if you think that sales tax effects the rich and the poor equally.

In a way, it does, in that everyone pays the same rate of sales tax on purchases. In another, more significant way, you're taking a much larger percentage of the incomes of the poor in taxes than you are from the rich.

How much more a week do you think someone who makes $500,000 a year spends on groceries than someone who makes $25,000? The answer is not too fucking much.

How much more per year does someone who makes 500K a year pay in property taxes than someone who makes 25K? The answer is "a lot."

The net effect is you lower the tax burden on businesses and the upper class by increasing the tax burden on the lower class. This, by the by, also applies to "fair tax" Huckabee and other equally retarded people are always talking about.

Can this get anymore off topic?

>>4665349
So, what you're saying is that it's not fair if everybody is paying the same amount of tax?

I know it sounds nice and pretty to say "they have more, they should pay more" but this kind of philosophy will tax yourself into stagnation and ruin. Especially considering that the wealthy are already paying more in the form of income tax.

Businesses with more money can afford to expand and hire more workers. This lowers your unemployment rate which gets people off welfare which lowers your government expenditure. This enables the government to then holistically lower taxes, or have more money to spend on infrastructure or education.

You seem to be implying that Palin is some kind of monster for doing this, but if people were hurting and starving in the street she'd not have had such high approval ratings.

>>4665446

You're right. Everyone should pay the same amount of taxes. Let's say $5000 a year. No matter what your income is. That's fair, right? Because everyone pays the same amount, and those that have more don't have to pay more.

But we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I'm a progressive and you're a moron.

>>4665446
This is one of the few things I agree with conservatives on. The only place the rich should have to pay more taxes then anyone else is when it comes to income tax.

Tax cuts really need to stop until our nation is not trillions in debt. I don't care what kind of argument you make

>>4665470
You sure are a classy fellow but I doubt you're even reading what I'm writing.

The wealthy are already paying more than the non-wealthy, I made a point of this. I have no particular opinion for or against it. You seem to be a proponent of some kind of Robin Hood stick it to the rich mentality but property taxes aren't sticking it to the rich. The rich can easily pay their property taxes. Small businesses, however, cannot. Their ability to operate and grow will be slowed and their ability to survive will be threatened. This will harm your economy.

In Palin's second term the people of Wasilla voted for an increase of the sale tax by .5% for the construction of a sports center. If this was such a grave injustice and such a threat to their lives, why did they vote for it?

Honestly, I don't think you give a shit about the people of Wasilla and if the economic models they used worked or not. I think your objection here is that someone, somewhere did something that you are opposed to ideologically and damned if it worked or not.

In addition, you have been needlessly aggressive. Instead of a calm, rational discussion you've just thrown down insults and emotion instead of polite, clearly laid out assertions of what you believe and why.

Is there a reason that you're displaying such hostility?

>>4665499
It depends on how deeply in debt the government is and what the state of the economy is like. I know you said you wouldn't agree with me, and that's cool, but I'm going to make my case and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it anyway.

If you cut taxes people have more money in their pockets to spend and businesses have more money to hire people with. This is good because it works perpetually instead of being a one shot and it doesn't require any real government work so the chance of corruption and government fuck ups goes down. The best way to stimulate an economy is to cut taxes.

Now, if your economy is damaged then you need to fix it. The Keynsian approach is to defecit spend on infrastructure to jump start the economy by getting the unemployed and giving them a source of income which will help the economy. Once the economy has been restored to a good working order they can be transitioned back into permanent work.

So, if your economy is in the shit you do need to spend some cash. But one of the worst things you can do is to prop up failing businesses without reforming them because while you are saving people jobs you're just delaying future economic problems at a huge price. So that when shit hits the fan again in six to twenty-four months time, you're in the same position you were before, but now you're broke.

>>4665560

You know why I'm hostile? we've had 30 years of "Tax cuts are the answer to everything" trickle-down voodoo economics that have lead us to the recession we're in today, and people are still running around going "herpadurp lower taxes."

Trickle-down economics assumes that if you cut taxes on big business, they will use it to hire staff and expand. In the real world, they pay dividends to shareholders, the majority of shares being held by people who are already rich. And then we cut the capital gains tax on the dividends.

And small businesses are a great thing to hide behind. "You can't raise the minimum wage, not paying workers enough money to live on is how small businesses stay open" "You can't raise taxes on individuals makes $250K a year, they could be small business owners."

Every time the right wants to give a little more money to the rich, it's for small businesses. Which is bullshit. Almost every town in america already gives tax incentives to businesses, most of them quite substantial.

That's it, it's the same voodoo economics bullshit Reagan and Thatcher were throwing around. And Keynsian economics was never the issue. It's supply-side economics, which is complete and total bullshit.

>>4665968
The current economic problems don't have their foundations in Reaganomic, though. It comes from large businesses with unsustainable business models on the verge of bankruptcy, unwise lending by banks and acquisition and trading of debt as a commodity.

Of the woes that can be placed at the feet of Reaganomics, this isn't one of them.

I'm also not arguing against raising the minimum wage or for tax cuts for the wealthy only. In regards to minimum wage, you need to ensure that your consumer base has a spendable income to grow your economy. The more money that people have available to them the better off things are. I'm fine with the minimum wage being raised but you understand this has repurcussions, right? Once you raise the minimum wage the business owner will need to raise product prices to pay for it. If this happens holistically across every industry, then awesome your wage has increased, but it doesn't mean jackshit because coupled with the increased price of goods and services your purchasing power is the same as it was before.

I don't like seeing people scraping by any more than you do but the problem isn't as easy as just raising wages. The solution is to live frugally, save money, get educated if you've not already, and get into an industry that isn't paying you minimum wage and once you're there, don't live beyond means while concurrently investing.

To hark back to an earlier point though. If you want to increase people's standard of living and raising the minimum wage won't do that, how do you ensure that they have more money in their pockets?

If you want a hint, it rhymes with Butt Faxes.

>>4664469

IPSA SCIENTIA POTESTAS EST