C. Juice is a common party drug. After ingesting juice, the effects usually manifest within an hour. The user becomes severely dehydrated as he sweats the cocktail of chemicals out of his pores in the form of an oily, translucent gel.
This gel is kinesthetic and has a rudimentry nervous system, connected to the user. The gel also acts as an extension of the senses - so users will find themselves seeing, hearing, feeling, even smelling and tasting via the gel, leading to intense hallucinations and mindfuckery. The best part about the gel is the process known as 'melding', but right now, that's irrelevant.
However, as with all drugs, overdose on juice is more than possible. Those who abuse the substance will find themselves sweating out all of the water in their bodies and in the most severe cases, die of dehydration.

D. Controller is a very potent drug - even the smallest doses result in massive sensory enhancement - bodily functions are no longer unconscious but can be controlled by the waking mind. Senses can be shut down, areas of the nervous systems can be enhanced, hormones and glands can go into overdrive, the user's body is his oyster.
Of course, there's the problem of overdosing. Too much controller results in violent fits, spasms and in some cases, the abuser falls into a coma. The worst cases involve the entire body shutting down, with every bodily function violently coming to an end.

So, these are the two drugs in particular. In a world filled with all sorts of strange psychedelics, these are just average drugs. Except when they're taken together...

gtfo goofags

E: After the two drugs were developed, it wasn't long until incidents began to pop up. The Butcher of Baker Street and the Washington Jellyfish were two of the most infamous cases. These were people who had ingested the juice and injected the controller. They found that the gel did not have the same effects. There were no hallucinations, no sensory overload. Instead, they found that they could focus the gel. They could will it to move, and it would move. They could control it as if it was a part of their own body, changing its density and its shape and how hard it was. Some of these individuals went on murderous rampages, influenced by the controller while others simply stayed true to their hooligan ways, wrecking everything that lay before them in new and imaginative ways.

It barely took a handful of days after the first incident before the military tried to get involved.

>>4535896
>>4535903
>>4536170

I bet you think this is a really neato idea huh?

>>4536170
F. The military tried to uncover the secrets behind the dual-drug, trying to find suitable doses. However, it was too difficult. The psychological effects of the controller made the test subjects too uncontrollable, too wild and undisciplined. They weren't soldiers, they became hooligans and maniacs like the men and women who first subjected themselves to the dual-drug.
It wasn't long before the military announced the project a failure but no one is sure whether it actually was - there are rumours of biological monstrosities created by the military for worst-case scenarios and biological outbreaks. No information on the effects of the dual-drug was ever released, and the public remained ignorant to the cause of the slimy hooligans. The criminal underworld, however, did not.

G. Gangs do not require discipline. They do not require obidience. Members are simply required to be ruthless killing machines and the dual-drug was perfect for that. A new era of biological gang warfare arose, where the gelatinous second skin was worn by criminals with pride. Just as the gel could be shaped and molded, it could also change colour. Gang members used the second skin to create new, intimidating appearances and to imitate their gang colours. The gel could be used for armour, for weapons, for stealth, they could do as they pleased with it.
However, it did not come without its vices. While increased amount of the controller brought greater control and more juice created more gel, it brought them ever closer to overdose, as did their growing addiction.

And that's where the history comes to an end. The streets are filled with criminals, utilizing the kinesthetic gel created by juice and controlled by tweak for biological warfare, with the police struggling to keep up with the sudden erupt of biological weapons. Not to mention the rumours of the military preparing to unleash their secret weapon as cities begin to fall to chaos.

nice to see you spoiled the core ideas so you can have your goopiles and grimdark shit

>>4536237
Well, I consider it an interesting concept and I doubt I have conveyed it properly and I suggest people following the link for better information on the subject.
It's more than just fetishy /d/ goosex.

>>4536264
Wait, this is grimdark? What the fuck?

The OP of the original thread wanted the dual-drug to be lethal, for it to be used purely as a combat stimulant and for anyone to use it to almost immediately become completely insane. Oh, he also wanted giant mecha goonimals.

If anything, this is happylight compared to what he had in mind.

>>4535896
Sauce?

i thought people who touched goo with each other could read each others minds from what i read. Naked goo sex orgy!

>>4536294
psychotropic drugs are fine (swirly trippiness), but they threw in lol forced experimentation, "omg exploding bodies from sanity-fail", and shit like that.

The only "grimdark" bit from the OP was the army using one or two catatonic soldiers (to create giant war-machines of the stuff) like they were nuclear weapons (i.e. you don't use them). You wave anything like this near the army and they're going to try something "bigger" with it, since they do have a sizable amount of budget to play with.

>>4536331
http://mischievousmartian.deviantart.com/art/Walking-The-Dog-121941928
If nothing else, at least I have the knowledge that I gave someone the sauce of something.

>>4536334
That's a fairly minor detail, so I only mentioned it briefly:
>The best part about the gel is the process known as 'melding', but right now, that's irrelevant.

>>4536355
No, we didn't include any of that. No forced experimentation. Sure, if you overdose, you can die from dehydration from juice overdose and you can dise from body shutdown from controller overdose. But that's it. No bodies exploding from sanity collapse.
Hell, OP was the one who was bitching about the drug making people go crazy. We were just talking it making people trip like crazy.

Anyway, I included a small bit about the military's application of gel - they've got a secret weapon but it's secret, so it could be anything.

>>4536389
>Hell, OP was the one who was bitching about the drug making people go crazy. We were just talking it making people trip like crazy.
The OP gave a basic progression for both drugs, which acted similar to real-world drugs, from low doses to overdoses (mild hallucinations/paranoia up to catatonic, or foaming at the mouth brain-death). Real drugs can kill you from ODs, in the same manner.

A bunch of people wanted it to all be goo-sex, and drug-orgies., but uh-oh don't do it right and your internal organs exploded outwards because the goo is in your system!.

Hell, the OP made it clear that the goo only formed after leaving the body.

>>4536360
Actually, I might as well describe melding now.

Melding is the process of the gel from multiple bodies merging together. The two seperate bodies of gel merge at a point and the two seperate nervous systems connect, creating two people within one nervous system. This is highly uncontrolled however - you will be thinking the thoughts of other people and you will be fuctioning as a hivemind for the moment that you are melded together.
Generally, melding is regarded as a very intimate process, because you're sharing your every throat with someone. So, most people only meld with their lovers when they're having sex, in order to experience maximum pleasure and feel what their partner is feeling.
However, in the more hardcore circles, it's not uncommon for people to sit in circles, holding hands and merging together and experiencing a massive group hallucination. In even more hardcore circles, however, there are cases where dozens of people are melded together in a single drug-fueled, gelatinous and hallucinogenic orgy for the most incredible trip of a lifetime.

However, melding doesn't really see much professional use - it's too difficult to control your thoughts properly and you can end up revealing things you would rather not.

Only after several doses of controller and several years of training, would you be able to hold a proper conversation with someone who you meld with.

>>4536355

On the subject of "exploding bodies," please explain why not? I did not suggest it for the lol grimdark. Really, it was simply a realization. We are talking about a material that can create significant physical effects, that is under the control of an individual being effected by psychotropics, and is probably going to be active before it's sweated out. How bad the effects of a usage mishap occurring before the "juice" has been excreted would be dependent on how much force the material can create, but it could easily prove fatal.

>>4536437
>A bunch of people wanted it to all be goo-sex, and drug-orgies., but uh-oh don't do it right and your internal organs exploded outwards because the goo is in your system!.

We wanted that to be included because that is how it would logically go, if the gel is really as psychedelic as the OP made it out.

We didn't want only that, but we wanted it to be a factor of it. We were just discussing it at the time, it wasn't the only thing that we were focusing on.

>>4536463
Exploding bodies seems a bit too violent. At the most, people would probably be sweating their blood out of their bodies from serious overdose.

>>4536490

Well, for the Juice on it's own, yes, that logically follows from the description of the drug, particularly since on it's own a user will have little if any control over it. It seems mostly that it just flops around harmlessly alongside extreme euphoria and occasional sensory/perceptual enhancement and blending.

But when combined with Controller, Juice is capable of manifesting significant quantities of kinetic force, such that a user could easily kill or incapacitate another human being. We have to presume that this result comes about due to some reaction while the drugs are being metabolized by the body; whch is to say that it occurs before being excreted. While "normal" dosages probably leave enough conscious control for this to not be a problem, an over dose could easily lead to self-injury. Hell, they can and often do with modern narcotics - this is just potentially more spectacular.

But I can get that one might not want to go overboard with this; I just find it logically follows what information we have. If the general consensus is against I'll stop pressing for it.

Though the concept of a couple gangers muttering about how "Jonesy got hisself exploded last night" could be amusing.

>>4536490
Massive Internal Hemorrhaging.
Also, how does the stuff harden?

>>4536468
It's only logical once you choose silly bullshit like "your nervous system extends into the goo and you control it as a new limb" (especially while calling a the original method "gay").

>>4536675

Well, the other option seems to be "psychic powers." And that's also silly.

Unless something else was decided on that I'm not aware of.

>>4536732
The main point of the original was that the goo functioned as a material which responded to thought patterns in the same way as iron-filings respond to a magnetic field. Not that the user was psychic, or could talk to the goo. Since the body does generate a low level magnetic field because of nerve-signals etc this does make sense to some degree.

The other drug is used to get the brain into a state where it's "waves" are "attuned" to type of patterns that can control the goo (or at least, responds to, like radiowaves to infrared). "The leashed dog".

The "new" version made the whole thing (a big mass of liquid) touchy-feely, with "nerves" through-out the whole mass (to be able to control it all). But some-how able to take damage without directly inflicting pain on the user, or just sensory overload. Then you start adding silly shit like "melding" your nervous system with other people, as if you're all Vulcans, so you can "form up" and become goo-zords, or goo-piles. This goes with Superman being able to pick up a plane by the nose-cone.

>>4536853

Ah, I see. That doesn't really deal with the er... "exploding" issue though. Well, I suppose it does allow one to take the drugs at different times, but it doesn't neutralize the danger if both are taken simultaneously.

But enough, seems this thread has been derailed enough already.

>>4536853
Whoa there, sunshine. You're utterly mischaracterizing what we did last night. Fuck off. Noone wanted goonimals and faggy psychic bullshit but the OP (whom I suspect you are). Your "lolmagneticfield" shit is stupid. You have no conscious control over your magnetic field. It doesn't vary in response to stimuli. What your body does do is transmit signals via your nervous system. The goo is biomimetic, that is, it acts like a biological structure. Think of it like a synthetic slime mold or artificial stem cells; it becomes biomimetic tissues in response to stimulus. So the first thing it grows is nerves, which connect the goo to you, then you give it stimuli and it changes in response. It doesn't stop bullets, but it can stop you from bleeding out. It can get about as hard as bone and can be used to form weapons. It can turn into pseudomuscle and augment strength. It's also a potent psychedelic agent, while the control drug is a nasty stimulant and our thinking was that the effects did NOT go away, but rather combined, giving the user a great deal of power but at a high cost. The more you take of both drugs, the more powerful you can be and the crazier you are. Take too much, and you OD and at best you dehydrate and have brain damage, at worst you die messily.

Furthermore, the social effects of the two drugs and the economic depression that created this drug culture in the first place are the source of the grimdark in this setting. You've got a society that's doing drugs like it was the 90's again, and the hot new rave candy is this biomimetic goo that was originally for medical experimentation (that's something we can work on - why would you make biomimetic goo? Artifical organ research, perhaps?) and was regarded as unfit for the original purpose (thanks in large part to the psychedelic effects). The control drug is some nasty street junk used by thugs and gangsters, and the synergy between the two was discovered by accident when a thuggish junkie crashed a goorave, causing the infamous "Butcher of Baker st" incident.

>>4536170 the Washington Jellyfish

YOU, flesh out that incident. I'm curious now.

>>4537716
Remember the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion?

Five city blocks.

This does NOT sound like original OP's ideas

if anything OP wanted the drugs... here:

Ectoplasmic manipulation.
Couple of ideas for a setting (near future):

A. Everyone's human.
B. There's a new drug on the market. A combination of an injection and a consumed liquid.
C. The liquid is psychoactive. Once drunk, it is eventually exuded through the skin-pores. The injection allows the user a partial telekinetic-control over the liquid.
D. The drugs is addictive (both chemically, and psychologically as the additional "power" the user actually gains), and destructive. Requiring greater "hits" to maintain effective power-levels, with a risk of overdose (with risk to bystanders), mental side-effects, and god knows what.

E. Basic effects can manifest as a basic transparent "gel-like" armour around the user. The user can alter the colouration, make it smooth or spikey, short tendrils, supporting strength, etc.
F. Advanced effects include "bullet" projectiles, "avatar" shells (where the gel is control as a second body, leaving the user unprotected), Blades, colour-mimicry (multi-hued chameleon effects instead of a single basic colour). High levels user are capable of "hacking" other user's gel.

G. It is both military, and black-market available. In the possession of a number of gangs, and specialist enforcement units. Generally, the (possibly lethal) side-effects limit its uptake.

>>4537799
Well, it figures, if you can create an gel-suit armour, and your high on drugs, you might feel more comfortable out of that normal bulky armour.

Hell, you might get a whole gang of weirdos roaming the night with strobeing light-effects rolling across their gel-projections, manifesting their LSD-style hallucinations into reality.

everything has a cost, You can gain more control by injecting more of the control-drug, or drinking more of the gel-liquid, however the trippy effect of the liquid screws with your control, too much liquid and your just tripping out in your own vomit (which is dancing across your body because some of it is gel), too much control-drug and your brain starts frying to other way (over-thinking, paranoia, etc).

"Hacking" someone's gel is essentially re-attuning someone else's gel to your "frequency", you steal more gel-mass , but risk losing control of it, and of yourself. It's denial at the risk of fucking yourself over too.

You don't get shot for a number of reasons:
1. You do get shot, but your gel reacts on your instincts and absorbs the energy.
2. you get shot, but the drugs and the gel seal the wound and remove the pain.
3. You get shot at, but the gel deflect the hit.
4. You don't get shot because you use stealth-gel techniques.
5. You don't get shot because you "gun-sling" your gel faster.
6. You don't get shot because you were never there, it was a gel-avatar (though these don't have much range, beyond seeping through brick-walls etc)

The gel can offer enhanced speed, but it'll break your joints since your normal body is still inside.

>>4537650
oh yea. "that's nonsense, here's my nonsense which is soo much better". I'm guessing you're the one who wouldn't just shut up about "goonimals", while accusing the OP of being a control freak?

I'm guessing a lot of people couldn't give a shit which bullshit is actually used.

You basically threw out a chunk of what apparently attracted people to the thread BEFORE "goonimals" even got mentioned. Whether you want to claim everyone wants your idea or not, or what you think is "gay" or not, you need to let it go. Accept that if you're telling the OP to stop posting because "you're so much better", you have to accept that other people don't want your opinion yet again. People like Dark Heresy even with "gay" psychic powers.

This is 4chan, half the people are only half in the conversation you think you're having, and nobody gives a shit if you want to get a boner over drugs and goo if you shut the fuck up about it.

But people are trying to do something constructive and all you do is accuse people of being other people, bitch on about how the OP is wrong in their own thread, and how you want do shit with goo.

You want to mischaracterised the OP just as much as you want to accuse others of doing it to "your idea".

>>4537799

Well, yeah. But this is /tg,/ and we also liked the idea, so we kinda got on a roll with it.

>>4537829
Street gangs thread their gang-colours into their gel, from subtle tattoo-like effects, up to abstract face-masks with no visible eye-slots. Others style whole uniforms out of the material, both pseudo-clothing, and wholly alien body-shapes (though not too far beyond the human cores).

The combination can be a stealthiest weapon, bring forth a knife or a gun stored in your very skin. Common law enforcements struggle to find any evidence when the weapon has been withdrawn. The smart thug can clean away any visible blood from the scene, though most are too high to think intelligently.

However, the "uncommon" law enforcement can easily pick up residue of gel use, as parts of it are left behind just as readily as any other DNA evidence (and any less visible blood trace).

Both gel-liquid and control-drug are possible to find as separate, if exotic, purchases. The liquid often being taken by the less "educated" druggies for the straight hallucinatory effect. And the control-drug uses to boost mental agility and energy. Ordinarily, their effects would have a much lower classification. The recognised combined benefits among "dual-users" raise the price, along with the harsh penalties if arrested, mean it is usually less popular than common drugs.

>>4537831
>>4537650

Okay, let's not start this again.

>>4537839
Even special enforcement units cut off from their command-unit can find themselves stuck in dangerous waters, especially if anyone discovers they are in possession of something with such a high-street price.
A man sits on this hill. His skin is damp. He is deep in the shadow of his own dreams. Literally.

Forming above his slumped head is towering mass of gleaming, oozing gel, branching crystal-form, something in between. It breaches the clouds above him, causing sunlight the illuminate the upper-sections. Colours swirl in the depths. Fish in crystal. Splitting, grouping, dying, living. A darker shape snaps in the depth of the mass.

The man was a yogic guru, spending a fortune to obtain such a wealth of gel, hoping to experience something beyond the dual-drug. A promise it showed, a Tower of Bable it became.

The mass had consumes at least two members of the team sent in to "calm" the Guru. Their corpses now bumped against gang corpses, gel dissolved into the greater host. Opportunist gang members, luck failed, life lost to greed, and drug-hunger.

The mass swayed, the air is still.

Shit idea is shit.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Warfare should become entirely based upon this drug. Lower the prerequisites for these special effects. For example, you can choose between enhancing your own strength with the gel, making multiple appendages, sharpening your appendages, creating armour, creating projectiles, creating second bodies, mimicing surrounding colour, etc. Making hacking its own specialization as well - I will go into that later.

Also: men and women can group together with their gel, attaching their gel-forms to one another and psychically combining to create one creature controlled by a hivemind.
This is a common police tactic. Several enforcers meld their gel-forms to one another to create a many-legged, agile animal that speeds through the streets and across buildings and through the sky. When they finally arrive, they disengage and become seperate beings again. So, humans can fuse their gel together to make super-forms. There are some benefits to it, there are some down-sides to it - you hurt the super-form, you hurt everyone taking part in the hivemind. Not to mention several conflicting opinions and goals can lead to malfunction. Difficult to maintain a hivemind with someone when you want to capture your target and your assosciate wants to kill him instead.

Another specialization would be hacking. Your gel and your target's gel would have to be in contact. You can hack into their gel and take control over it, crushing their own body beneath the armour they were relying on and absorbing their gel into your own gel-form. However, this has the potential to be very unbalanced.

>>4537869
It's not telekinetic, it's more kinesthetic. The gel has a rudimentry nervous system that's connected to the body upon excretion.
Over-dosing on the juice, the drug that causes the excretion, will probably result in violent excretion of bodily fluids via the pores. Yes, I'm talking about sweating out your blood until there's nothing left in your veins, along with other unsavoury fluids...
Overdose of the controller, the drug that enhances the user's control over the nervous system, will probably result in nervous breakdown. Spasms, twitching, fits, the whole shibang.

We're not talking about a normal "high" either. You ingest 1 litre of this stuff and your liable to go loopy. These guys are ingesting enough to fill a tanker, and need specific training designed to basically turn them into things so insane they wrap right back round to a completely different definitely of reality.

>>4537892
Nobodies suggesting they're all animals. They are representations of whatever the biggest fucking monster they can mentally identify with, without just become a force of nature.

The point of the "animals" is not any sort of stress-reducer. The whole point of the training is the put the pilot so far gone, that they're comfortable being insane. You're trying to make them insane because otherwise they can't control that amount of gel.

The point of the "reality identifier" (only one option of which is the division mascot etc) is to create a psychological anchor through which commands can be given with the insane person. It's like locking someone in a sealed greay box with just a light and air, and put a window in the side with a picture of "home".

Nobodies going to respond if you go "hey, I'm some guy you don't know". You go "hey, John, you'd make all us guys back at Robertson barracks real proud if you could do this, we've got your bunk ready for when you come back". The anchor here is "Robertson barracks", so maybe his war-form manifests as a moving "building".

... okay, I'm outta here.

No-one with an iota of intellect or creativity gives a fuck about your dreadful "idea".

gtfo

>>4537869
>>4537892
I don't think the OP wanted:
team-merging/Goo-piles at all
or blood-exploding (since that'd require the goo to become active inside the body... hell, wouldn't it be active before being drunk in that version)
The whole "limb" thing (since that's not how the Warp/Ghostbusters goo functions)

>>4537869
So why does gelatinous drug make guns obsolete?
I'd take mind clearer drug and a sniper rifle, stop the heart and breathing for a second and with perfect motor control fire.

You're just reposting the OP's nuggets that started this in the first place. There were about 5 of us left that kept going after the OP threw a hissyfit because noone liked his goofurry shit. I was under the impression that was who was restarting the thread today, but if you didn't like where we went, that's fine. Noone here is saying any idea is better than any other, but some sound dumb and others don't. "Goonimals" and "telekinetic goo that can stop boolets" are on the dumb side, sorry.

>>4537962
i liked the idea of the man whos heart stopped and has become physically dependant on the drug to keep him alive

i was thinking today about this and i though about children being used in military experiments. I say this because their government realizes the potential of a childs mind and how the child has not learned the limetations of reality or developed any sort of bond with the world so they would be willing and uneduacted enough to sacrifice theirselves to do unfathomable damage and destruction

>>4537949
The goo I was working with didn't make guns obsolete. It's biggest use in combat would be as a sensory enhancement - you only take a small amount, and use the resulting goo for 360 degree vision and enhanced hearing and smell, and occasionally extrude an eyestalk to look around corners. If you get shot, you halt most or all of the previously mentioned functions and use your limited volume of goo to stop the bleeding. Being able to use the goo in this fashion requires training and practice, to work through the disordered thinking and hallucinations, but without as much risk of long-term damage or muscle atrophy as a heavy goojunkie.

>>4537993
The "goo as life support" thing is cool, I like that. IDK about the kids though. Does this setting really need emo loli goojunkies? I mean, your brain will acclimate to whatever situation it's in, that's why I don't bother responding to crap like "hurr durr, you can't control it because your brain isn't made to talk to goo". Your brain will adapt to a new sense as readily as it will adapt to losing a sense. Just because you can't make tentacles on your skin now doesn't mean that your brain is incapable of learning how to control a tentacle if you had one. Throwing kids in this runs the risk of being cliche, but if you really want to go for it. Like I said before, this is just brainstorming.

>>4537962
The OP made a side-suggestion, as a basic "military-level" use of the stuff.
People called him on wtf he suggested possible furry-fap material.
He responded (anchor to reality for the psychotic).
One guy continues to go on & on about goonimals as justification for ignoring everything the OP suggested in the first 2 opening posts.
The OP then said that it was basically one option.
Guy continues on about goonimals.
Guy claims his drug experience makes him better at arguing about fictional SCIENCE drugs.

New thread starts.
Guy pops up moaning about goonimals again.

I can see special forces people taking Tweak

>>4538053
Yeah, that's exactly how it went. Pic related.

This is why we can't have nice things. CHRIST you guys suck so much. Not saging because there's some kind of salvageable potential in this idea-if we can get rid of all the faggots dickboxing over it we'll be golden..

>>4538068
Yeah, I was thinking it's like another synthetic phenethylamine, with the ability to induce sensory hyperfocus. You could have THAT part being the "combat stimulant" that has military origins, and the street-grade junk could just be a similar phenethylamine. So the "good shit" that .mil has would be substantially more effective as a control drug for the goo than plain ol' Tweak, but also far more tightly controlled.

>>4538154
Sorry, I'll stop taking the other guy's bait. I'm pretty sure the other troll is the OP from last night all butthurt because we took this in a different direction, but hey it was a good idea. I think we just trimmed some of the dumb shit off, and hey if he liked that shit then he can keep it. There's no reason we can't develop multiple Goopunk settings here. One with ferropolymer goo that stops boolets and runs off psychic hocus-pocus and another that doesn't stop boolets but lets you see EVERYTHING. Whatever works man, let's just keep running with it.

>>4538154
not likely

>>4538068
Be nice if we could get a drawfag in here. I haven't got any artistic talent at all, but it would be fuckawesome to get some visual aids in here. Like a specops guy, gun in hand and deep in the south american jungle, with goo covering most of his head save for a patch acting as a clot on a bullet wound in his chest. Or some wild-eyed thug wrecking a car with a hand covered in goo-formed bone and a sheen of color playing off his second skin...

>>4538189

I think these ideas could be reconciled to some degree.

Also, I haven't followed this iteration of the goo-magic mechanic so I'm gonna catch up and read the tread. brb.

Not furry at all but seriously curious what it would be like if you injected this stuff into a dog.
Also the military should have additives that you can pour into the goo once it's been secreted. Things that change it's composition slightly.

>>4538411
There ya go. Instead of emo loli testing, it's way more realistic to say the .mil/.gov tested it on animals, from dogs to chimps. You could have a "12 monkeys" event where some PETA kids break in and release a bunch of test animals, some of which were actively tripping on goo.

I have an idea. People talking about insane people and whatnot. Why not have some peoples insane behavior manifest on the goo? I mean since it reacts to minds why not have it react severely to severe minds? Extreme Schizophrenia, Autism, Serial Killing, Obsessive Compulsives, Shut ins, fetishist, Extremely violent people, Extreme Religous fevour etc..
For example Schizophrenia leads goo to grow another face and set of hands that does things independently

>>4538523
That's interesting. Schizophrenia doesn't work that way, though. It's not MPD, it's disorganized thinking resulting in an inability to effectively communicate, sometimes coupled with visual and/or auditory hallucinations. We're operating as if every user is temporarily schizoid thanks to the psychotomimetic effects of psychdelic drugs (which the goo is). The addition of Tweak/Control drug makes the psychosis take a far darker turn, with the user becoming dangerously unstable. Give that to an already schizophrenic person and you could have a total psychotic breakdown, which could be what happened in the "Butcher of Baker st" and "Washington Jellyfish" incidents - an already mentally-unstable drug addict goes off the deep end after combining the two drugs.

One thing we haven't talked about is cost. Biogel sounds like it would be very, very expensive. If it's going to be ravecandy the cost has to be something relatively reasonable for the minimum amount necessary to trip balls and link up with hot juicebettys. What about Tweak? Is that cheap like bathtub meth or expensive like good coke? I would imagine the military-grade shit is absurdly expensive, commensurate with it's increased potency as a control drug.

>>4538600
Maybe in this scenario the drug dealers have just hit upon it recently and are still doing the get you hooked its cheap phase and then they'll jack up the prices when everyone desperately needs a fix.

>>4538622
Ok, but are they both addictive? Generally psychedelics aren't, but phenethylamines are. Is the goo just addictive in the sense of how much fun it is to use? That would make it pricey from the get go, especially since Juice is the technically hard part whereas Tweak is just another phenethylamine with novel effects. That one I can see dealers using the "get em hooked and raise the price" method with.

>>4538688
Hmmm... how about the drugs were both actually developed by the military and it was leaked. The drugs are expensive to make but still work highly watered down. You only need a thin film of goo to have fun melding and stuff. Then for the tweak maybe boxers and gym people are using it to get an edge. Also more muscle control means more power so maybe it ups your strength a little or at least your agility.

>>4538688
Make the goo make sex soooooo awesome. Done

I'm going to writefag the "Butcher of Baker st" after I get back from the bank, using the themes we've worked out so far. I'm going to keep the gangsters niggerish, none of this 80's "The Warriors" crap common to Cyberpunk. I'm going to use the 90's as the basis for Goopunk's drug and gang cultures, since they're the ones I knew well and hopefully it doesn't seem too anachronistic when set in 2015 or so.

>>4539213
Or not, since there doesn't seem to be any interest left for Goopunk atm...

>>4538107
>>4538053
>>4537944
>>4537861
>>4538213
>>4538154
Wow. I accidentally collapse for eight hours and then suddenly this pops up. Look, we're trying to go with our own flavour - just because one person started something, doesn't mean we have to stick to it. We are not slaves to the OP's concepts.
Oh, and by the way, the idea of 'goo-zords' was given up long ago. If anything, the OP was the one supporting that idea with his military goo mecha - which may or may not exist in this setting, if you read the introduction I posted.

But still, some of the stuff here actually makes sense.
>>4538164
>>4538068
The reason why tweak is such a rare and expensive drug is because it was originally military grade shit - however, military's abandoned it for higher grade shit, so the shit goes on to the black market. I like this idea, for example.
>>4538688
The goo is incredibly fucking fun. Like most psychedelics, the addiction comes from the experience.
>>4538600
Generally, a shot of juice is all you need. It creates a fairly thin membrane of gel around the body, only a few millimetres thick really (as you can probably guess, the process is very dehydrating - water is the juicer's munchies). If you want more gel, take more juice - but seriously, drink some water unless you want to die of dehydration, bud.
>>4538622
This is generally the stage it's still at. I'll post a timeline of what I think it should be like in next post.

>>4540478
Let's put it this way:
12th January, 2015:A military-grade drug becomes obsolete and is replaced by a superior version. The previous version is disposed of immediately - and finds its way on to the black market, under the name of tweak.
7th March, 2015: A bizarre new drug emerges, known as juice. Its popularity almost immediately soars.
14th March, 2015: The Butcher of Baker Street incident. 27 dead, 58 injured.
16th March, 2015: The Washington Jellyfish incident. 21 dead, 73 injured.
17th March, 2015: The Western world tries to clamp down on both juice and tweak.
19th March, 2015: First bathtub juice labs are discovered, with people synthesizing the chemicals found in juice. Homebrewed samples prove to be toxic, however.
21st March, 2015: First incident of the dual-drug being utilized in organized crime, where a branch of Deutsche Bank was robbed in Dresden, Germany.
22nd March, 2015: First reported incident of use of the dual-drug in gang violence.
24th March, 2015: Western governments reluctantly announces that they are conducting military research on the dual-drug after massive public enquiry.
26th March: Research shows that the use of tweak is too mentally harmful to the user for its dual-use with juice to have military application. They refuse to disclose information on juice's reaction to the new military drug developed in January.
28th March, 2015: Mexico declares a state of martial law in order to help combat gangs utilizing the dual-drug. Several less developed nations follow Mexico's lead.
31st March, 2015: Several Western governments announce creation of biohazards departments in MI5, the FBI, and other intelligence agencies to help combat the threat of the dual-drug.
2nd April, 2015: Survey reveals a 198% increase in violent crime in the UK, 203% in the USA, 167% in France, 171% in Germany...
Crime is everywhere.
The world is a step away from anarchy.

>>4538600
Oh, and tweak is damn expensive - perhaps even more than good coke. It's military-grade shit that was thrown out and the black market got its mits on it. There are definitely several professional labs producing loads of the shit but otherwise, a large amount of it is still stuff salvaged from designated areas it was dumped at.

Also, there are small quantities of the drug that replaced tweak in the black market - and it's as expensive as fuck. What happens if you use it as a dual-drug with juice? You're going to have to try it to find out.

>>4540491
isn't martial law a bit ott?

>>4540683
Is it? In more chaotic countries, the dual-drug would push things beyond breaking point.

>>4540748
seriously, it can't be that chaotic that it causes the entire world to go to shit in a month

Fuck this "LOL GUISE LOOK AT MY FETISH!" shit. A setting where the player characters are completely mundane but abuse various powerful drugs to become exceptional.

>>4540874
Swine flu's turning everything to shit and at the moment, it isn't even a major threat.
>>4540913
What? In the end, it's just that. Sure, there might be a few fluff bits where people use the drugs for their own fetishy entertainment. That's what people with drugs do.

This is a setting where characters are completely mundane and abuse a pair of powerful drugs to gain exceptional abilities - gangbangers down half a pint of juice, inject a couple of doses of tweak and make shit happen. The rave party aspect is only fluff, really.

the thing about advanced control over your body also means it doesn't regulate body systems automatically. you have to do those. so if you, say, forget to make your heart beat, you will die, however, if you learn how to control your heart beat you can get increased bloodflow for increased stamina and endurance. same with parts of your brain, or your immune system, or your respiratory system.

>>4540993
That seems a bit too bad. There are hundreds of processes required to keep your body functioning. You should be able to turn them up, turn them down and turn them off. They shouldn't all suddenly shut down just because you take the drug.

Might as well expand on how the gel can be used with the tweak.
For example, if you want to basically become the ultimate radar, you'll want to shut off your senses of sight, smell and taste so that they won't distract you. The gel can act as a sensory extension, so you can alter it to make it hyper-sensitive to sound and vibrations. If there's anything going on nearby, you're going to hear it long before anyone sees it.
If you want to produce the gel at a faster or a slower rate, you can make your glands go into overdrive or shut a handful of them off.
You can control the gel, shape it, make it denser in some areas, thinner in others, you can make it certain colours, you can make it opaque or transparent, you can harden it and you can soften it. You can make claws and blades, barbed tentacles and pseudopods, chitinous armour or a padded suit of gel, you can make it stealth coloured or you can cover it in bombastic gang colours, you can extend the length of your legs to cover extra distance or create wall-climbing ridges on your hands or in rare cases, even membraneous wings and flaps for gliding. You can even become a chameleon (use the gel for all-around vision and change the colour of the gel as per your surroundings - very difficult to do).

>>4535896
So how much of the stuff is cut with meth, cocaine, lsd, and ecstacy?

Whoa, I go to the gym, get dinner, and come back to renewed life here! Love that timeline, ty

By the way, I went ahead and archived this thread on sup/tg/ too, so we don't lose things like that timeline and the other setting info. Now I'll bash out the "Butcher of Baker st" story, maybe it'll be ready for posting tomorrow.

>>4540874
Basically, we're giving nihilistic hedonists superpowers in the middle of an economic depression. Under those circumstances, I think a crimewave is in order.

>>4541277
Besides the sudden spike of mental disorders and the immense self-control that tweak gives, it's pretty tame. It's not uncommon for people to cut it with a bit of cocaine and heroin - although it makes the mental results even more unpredictable.

As for juice, not too sure about what the producers and manufacturers would cut it with but I am pretty sure that lots of people would pour the juice shot into a pint of water to dillute it - so that it doesn't dehydrate them so much when they drink it.
Of course, if you do that at a hardcore party, people will laugh at you and call you a pussy.

>>4541528
>>4541493
Guessing you're the same guy.
Thanks for the compliments on the timeline. I wonder if it's too narrow a timezone, I tried to make it realistic (governments would react fairly fast and so would criminals).

Anyway, when I come back from work, I will start on the Washington Jellyfish story. For now though, I have to go.

>>4541825
It does seem a little too fast. All that in the space of a month?

>>4541856
Maybe you're right. A month is pushing it a little, it's a drug not a virus.

>>4540478
>Oh, and by the way, the idea of 'goo-zords' was given up long ago. If anything, the OP was the one supporting that idea with his military goo mecha
One person wanted "goo-zords" where multiple people would "merge goo". This led to the whole "goo-pile party". The OP wanted a single, powerful user (more along the lines of Evangelion).

>>4540952
>Sure, there might be a few fluff bits where people use the drugs for their own fetishy entertainment.
It's the ONLY THING these threads have focused on. There's been hardly any discussion of actual functional use other than fetish goo-piles, and this tropey "military drug" line is the rest of the fluff.


>>4541722
>Besides the sudden spike of mental disorders and the immense self-control that tweak gives, it's pretty tame.
I thought the whole point of it was a certain heightened "awareness" not self-control. That's why it induces paranoia, hyperactivity, etc, because you start over analysing every detail of everything. The usefulness is to be aware of where all you goo is when you have a vastly expanded nervous-system.

>>4543362
Well, goo-zords are gone. Goomecha might still be in, but hopefully not in the form of goonimals.

Okay, point out any post in the last twenty posts that has anything to do with the sexual aspect.

On the third point... Actually, that makes sense. I got a little bit carried away when it came to tweak. Hypersensitivity, not hyper-control.

New timeline:
12th January, 2015:A military-grade drug becomes obsolete and is replaced by a superior version. The previous version is disposed of immediately - and finds its way on to the black market, under the name of tweak.
7th March, 2015: A bizarre new drug emerges, known as juice. Its popularity almost immediately soars.
27th March, 2015: The Butcher of Baker Street incident. 27 dead, 58 injured.
2nd April, 2015: The Washington Jellyfish incident. 21 dead, 73 injured.
4th April, 2015: The Western world tries to clamp down on both juice and tweak.
11th April, 2015: First bathtub juice labs are discovered, with people synthesizing the chemicals found in juice. Homebrewed samples prove to be toxic, however.
19th April, 2015: First incident of the dual-drug being utilized in organized crime, where a branch of Deutsche Bank was robbed in Dresden, Germany.
28th April, 2015: First reported incident of use of the dual-drug in gang violence.
4th May, 2015: Western governments reluctantly announces that they are conducting military research on the dual-drug after massive public enquiry.
13th May: Research shows that the use of tweak is too mentally harmful to the user for its dual-use with juice to have military application. They refuse to disclose information on juice's reaction to the new military drug developed in January.
21st May, 2015: Mexico declares a state of martial law in order to help combat gangs utilizing the dual-drug. Several less developed nations follow Mexico's lead.
27th May, 2015: Several Western governments announce creation of biohazards departments in MI5, the FBI, and other intelligence agencies to help combat the threat of the dual-drug.
2nd June, 2015: Survey reveals a 198% increase in violent crime comparing April to May in UK, 203% in the USA, 167% in France, 171% in Germany...
Crime is everywhere.
The world is a step away from anarchy.

>>4543434
The thing is, the whole "meld" thing supports goo-zords. There isn't anything that actually goes against its possibility, since people have already decided that you can meld goo, and the goo still fully functions in that state.

It's not that people have stoped going on about their goo-fetish, but that nothing else has been discussed either. Just rehashing the "hurr military drug" aspect (which is pretty damn generic). The "durr edge of the apocalypse" idea isn't helping either.

It's like Cthulhutech with goo instead of Cthulhu's mythology (take cults, aliens, ancient star gods... replace with goo).

As a bit of an excercise it's fine, but there's nothing really solid that you could actually put together a game-session out of. (unless you make it wordswordswords). The whole thing is currently a macguffin.

>>4543601
>27th March, 2015: The Butcher of Baker Street incident. 27 dead, 58 injured.
Make it the Butcher of Bakersfield for fuckawesome Running Man reference!

Could i make a vagina with the goo and use it on my penis and feel both? THIS IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW

>>4543752
>>4536170
My Idea LIVES!

>>4543747
Except we've already gone over it several times - people who meld experience the nervous systems of one another. They're directly linked to one another. So, you've got two people trying to interface with the gel. If someone even thinks too hard, it will disrupt what the other person is trying to do.

Anyway, I am just beginning to think you've got selective reading, because we've been discussing more than just those two things (also, 'end of world'? what are you going on about? i only added one step away from anarchy for dramatic effect)

So, what would you do now? You're whining about the way we're going with the project, what do you want to happen?

>>4543810
It would be difficult to make it feel realistic, but people will more control possibly could do it, yes - and make it have the exact same consistency as flesh, too.
>>4543752
>>4543882
wat?

>>4543882
>>4543895
My suggestion last night was the one where the two drugs are common party/street drugs, and that the gel substance was an inevitable and accidental side effect of using both at once. Some tweaker gets invited to a party and drinks the juice. Goes nuts and kills everyone with awesome gel superpowers.

>>4543926
Except tweak is hardcore ex-military shit that no casual user will get their hands on, while juice is a wonderful party drug!

>>4543970
Oh, is that what we're up to now? Damn...

>>4543886
>because we've been discussing more than just those two things
give an example, of anything that has been done in detail as much as the goo-pile nonsense, or the durr history. The stuff that actual player will be using it for?

The world isn't "one step away from anarchy" in the real world, even though it's stuffed full of various drugs (which do lead to violent crimes).

But suddenly a "new drug" does:
>Survey reveals a 198% increase in violent crime comparing April to May in UK, 203% in the USA, 167% in France, 171% in Germany...
>Crime is everywhere.
>The world is a step away from anarchy.

even though the gel stuff is just some weird fetish stuff, and the other one is incredibly hard to acquire? The dudes that have it were already violent druggies.

I'm surprised you're not pushing for "hurr post-apocalyptic" with that time-line (in all of 6 months, even though it's apparently hard to use).

Both military drug and juice pop up within months of each other, even though they're apparently wildly different and from completely different sources?

Initially this was just dealing with street-level gang-warfare, as a addition to pre-existing weapons like guns or whatever, but now it's "martial law and 200% rise in worldwide crime!"

>>4544034
Current drugs do not do what these drugs do.

Look, we're considered what the drug does and we're applying what it does to the real word. If the criminal underworld suddenly has access to a strange, bizarre supergel, shit will be fucked up and the officials will have a hard time adapting. Drugs are easier to smuggle than weapons and when the drug turns you into a living weapon, crime shoots up.

Also, tweak comes at a high cost but it isn't too exceptionally rare. There are labs throughout the world replicating it while the original stuff salvaged from military dumps is still on the black market too.

>>4544034
Also CAN WE SEE WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE PLEASE

>>4544095
I posted ideas but they got ignored in favour of more goo-pile discussion

>>4544230
I apologize, the focus isn't currently on goo-piles.

Also, since you're anonymous, it's impossible to identify your requests.

What are they?

I'm thinking about everything that you could use the gel for. Here's what I have so far:

Natural Weapons: The gel can change in density and harden to create many different weapons. From claws that cover the fingers to blades that cover the hands, to impaling spikes, to heavy pseudopods to agile, barbed tentacles.
Natural Armour: Works just like the formation of natural weapons. The gel varies from soft, gelatinous padding to absorb blunt trauma, a layer of scales to protect from weapons that pierce the flesh and chitinous plating to make knives and blade bounce off.
Sensory functions: The gel acts as an extension of the senses. When controlled, you can do all sorts of things. Enhance your own senses, add additional sensory organs such as eyes and ears. In its most advanced form, every inch of the gel can be used to see or hear.
Mobility Enhancement: This varies quite greatly. Limb extensions to increase walking distance, ridges and groves on hands and feet to help traverse vertical surfaces, enhanced jumping capabilities, even membraneous wings for gliding.
Active Camouflage: The gel's translucent appearance can be altered. The gel can be more opaque and its colour can be changed to something else. This can be used to represent your affiliation, to camouflage yourself, to intimidate others, to disorientate others and in some cases, almost completely conceal yourself no matter your environment, as if you're a chameleon.

What else can we add to this list? What different sorts of alterations could you make using the gel?

>>4545705
Can someone still use human technology while gooified?

>>4545837
Sure, you'd just have to make sure nothing's covering your hands.

Also, we need some additional background.
This is set in 2015.
Look at current affairs - what could happen between now and 2015? For dramatic purposes, you could have recession become depression, the swine flu become a serious pandemic and generally, everything that can go shit, go shit.

LOOKIT ALL DAT JOOSE

JUICE!

>>4546043
>>4546071
Juicemind?
Also, fuck. I was waiting for that quote.

>>4546020
Tweak is made from Korean LAN party residue.

Goo is made from Chinese nervous systems.

>>4546127
>korean LAN party residue
ohgoddonotwant

>>4546144
Where else would you get that much concentration in one place?

>>4546165
Now I can't help but imagine scooping up puddles of chink sweat, filling a syringe with it and injecting myself with it.

>>4546194
Nah, first they have to refine it and add CATSTARE.
Pic related.

>>4546227
I don't want to imagine the refining process.

I'll stick to tweak being a miserable pile of chemicals, thanks.

>>4545705
That seems way too grimdark.
Swine flu turns out to be minor althoug the recession will probably hit hard. By that period, the world will be recovering.

>>4545705
Wasn't there something about hacking into enemy gel?
I'd like to hear more about that.

>>4546608
didn't we get rid of that?

>>4547147
Why? It's an awesome idea!

>>4547573
Not really. In the time it would take to "hack" someone's goo, you'd get stabbed/shot/punched in the fucking beanbag.

>>4544085
This. We've got two control drugs now. One, tweak, is an ex-military stimulant that's now the equivalent of bathtub meth (well, more expensive but also more useful). The other, [unnamed control drug] is something .mil/.gov chemists cooked up after the "Butcher of Baker st" (and yes, I was thinking of Running Man when I named it, but I wanted it to make it less obvious) incident - it's extremely potent and allows for scaling up the power of military googrunts as high as we want to, without getting stupid. The whole "world in anarchy" bit is what we want - the recession has become a global depression and a massive increase in drug use and drug crime is one of the main effects. This snowballs when it gets out that combining two relatively exotic street drugs turns you into a fucking supervillan. This is why crime goes ballistic in a matter of months, and the goverment response around the world is to try and stem the crimewave as hard and as fast as they can. That gives us an atmosphere of repression and terror and puts the -punk in Goopunk.

>>4544085
>Drugs are easier to smuggle than weapons
Not when juice needs litres to functionally act as a weapon. You can hardly sneak a litre-bottle with a handshake

>>4548268
It's not the volume, it's the substance itself. You can get a liter of goo over the border in a tequila bottle. That's why it's easier. Sure, drug dogs and chemsniffers are your bane, but those aren't as pervasive as metal detectors. Your biggest problem would be the whole "no liquids" rule for planes, but you can have a lot of 1oz. containers full of various "gels"...

>>4547940
I thought the "hacking" was more "your goo tries to eat their goo" force-of-wills, rather than "lol nerd haxxor" with a goo-keyboard.

Also, anti-goo weapons (intergang, and law enforcement units):
Salt-water: dilutes (water bombs)
Fire: evaporates the water content of goo (molotov cocktails)
Electricity: Disrupts the surface control, and can bypss thinner layers.
Cold: Low temperatures can freeze the goo, at least effecting the speed at which it can move.

>>4548315
but volume dictates street-value. A "litre" volume of cocaine has far greater street value than a litre of juice because that amount of cocaine can cover hundreds of sales at whatever price, but that amount of juice only covers a single person.

A boat could probably cover a handful of people compared to a street-value of millions in cocaine.

>>4548391
Point taken. For the cost to be low, Juice has got to be relatively simple to manufacture domestically. It's like a synthetic organism, maybe it can be "grown" from a seed stock with proper equipment? Make the juice the "bathtub chemist" part and tweak is the "smuggled from the jungles of south america" part.

>>4548356
All of those sound cool. I can see water cannons being VERY useful countermeasures, since most PDs have access to them. Being water soluable almost makes it too easy, to be honest. Perhaps tweaking juicers have enough control to form a second "skin" that acts as a semi-permeable barrier, limiting the effectiveness of water as a countergoo weapon?

>>4548824
I don't think goo should be "all powerful". People still have guns, and various other mundane violence to play with.

Straight water probably would just slosh off a resistant bit of gel (like water on wax, or oil). But salt (like vs slugs), and possibly detergent would probably start to disrupt the gel consistency and structure (at least making it limp, or the similar but reduced version of fire's effect).

Users could avoid compromising their whole gel-mass by "amputating" a salted section.

The Law Enforcers SHOULD have access to ways of taking down whole goo-gangs because by their nature, the Law Enforcement cannot field an equal quantity of users (stuff like Health&safety and medical checks, if not complete lack of desire among normal staff to get mind-fucked on dodgy drugs, limit their specialists).

It also opens up the possibility of havens from dual-users where normal stuff can flourish. Like coastal towns (the sea air wouldn't completely negate the gel, but most users feel uncomfortable with the noticeable impact of their "fun" so head elsewhere). Getting your smuggling boat sunk would completely wreck your shipment as well (more than normal packed drugs).