kill them with my sword of a thousand truth's!

>>4501216
If your character was a paladin, he's now a fallen paladin.
If your character wasn't a paladin, they lose their current class, become a paladin and fall.

Ask them if they want candy.

Pacify them with a bag of Cheetos and keep walking.

>>Your party encounters a group of...monsters

We kill them without asking any questions or considering that these might be anything more than walking bags of XP and l3wt.

>>4501249
lol 4e much?

"Hey! You're playing Clerks&Offices? Dude, I love that game. Pity all this adventuring shit eats my gaming time so much." Then I'd look at the sheets of the still stunned gamers " Hey, cool Bussinessman you have there. You probably want to put a couple points more in Charisma next level up, though, and pick Wit of the Trade and Doubletalk. See, if you read their rules, you'll notice there's no actual cap, so you can get people to buy your stuff at over 300% their normal price"

Yes, my current character would *totally* be a complete powergamer if he knew what roleplaying games are.

>>4501351
-Your computer freezes, but Excel hasn't backed up your files yet, what do you do?
-Saving throw, saving throw!!!

>>4501351
And then he encounters a bard who happens to like theatrical plays a bit too much...

>>4501365
What the hell do you roll against a frozen computer?

>>4501351

I'm scared to think what edition wars look like when the people involved can actually shoot lightning and call divine fire upon each other.

>>4501403

Luck Save. Basically, if you're a lucky bastard, it will have been just a hiccup and unfreezes. Else... though luck, dude.

>>4501403
Craft (IT)?

>>4501403
>saving throw
>backing up files
>SAVE AS

>>4501417
Maybe a Fortitude roll FOR the computer?

Slay them all or ask to join, depending on the edition they're playing.

>>4501185
kill them steal their game use it to take over the game world

>>4501185
I offer them candy...

Monsters= EXP = Dead Monsters

Use Rope, of course. What's next? You decide.

I'd start bitching that the new edition of Humans and Hovels is more about numbers than story. They stripped all the flavor to dumb down the rules, and the game is unplayable because of it.

>>4501989
Dude, shut the fuck up. The old rules were so terribly shitpasted together. LOL I'M ROLLING A TECH SUPPORT GUY. They kept the same flavor and made it so that white collar and blue collarjobs are both equally viable options.

>>4502017

In return for some shitty homoginisations? no thank you. The gap was never that great anyway until high levels which only a few got to see anyway.

inb4 lol, I got a blue collar to level 68 lol.

>>4502055
No, I can't argue with you there. I hate the people who start off at higher levels. I also hate the people who come on /tg/ and bitch constantly about LOL ROLLPLAYIN. The new edition has plenty of options available for blue collar stuff, and I really like what they did with the part time work skills. Next character I play is going to specialize in part time work. I couldn't do that effectively in the old edition.

>>4502120

I must say, I do like how they removed the falling for law enforcement. I always hate the "Lol ur cop is fired." the DM's always did.

>>4502166
I still think they should have used the optional Internal Investigations charts from Monty Chef's Uncovered Bureaucracy, but it's a good start.

While I'm not happy with the new edition, I understand why they made the changes they did and accept that this is the direction the game is going. I would have taken white-collars in a different direction, personally, but to each their own. My old Embezzler concept still works and is still fun to play, so I'll live with it.

>>4502166
Just do what I did: tell the DM that a cop can't be MADE to fall.

A cop falls because he's lost sight of the law, not because his Chief Officer decided to say LOL DRUGS and LOL BABIES DIE.

A cop falls because he willingly decides to turn on everything he believes in, but even if there is a tiny pitiful spark of duty, he cannot truly fall. Becuase that spark can be fanned into a roaring inferno deep within his soul, duty, justice, and honor pouring forth from every action he makes. But only the cop can extinguish that spark, and only when he has truly, TRULY, lost all hope.

I hated Daily Masters who did that to me, so I had a speech prepared. Won't stop me from playing cops then, won't stop me from playing them now.

>>4502120
Rolling a janitor now, the problem is that with the buffs the paychecks for the first 1-30ish levels are so far above the other classes it's too easy to be sufficiant this early on giving you an unfair advantage. The way they balanced this with poor level scaling was deffinatly not the right move anyway. Especialy when you see that consultant ten levels below you pulling in twice as much from 50ish onwards. We just ended up homebrewing our own to deal with the problem, sorta crossed the tech support's scaling and the electricians billing system, (not as believable but much more fun to play as)

>>4502192
Likewise, I realize that there are a lot of changes in the new edition that some people might not be happy with, namely with a feel of Place of People MMO. But the new edition has some new stuff. I can't wait to give some of the new classes a try. Mechanic seems awesome. Insurance salesman seem kind of funky too.

>>4502258
Yeah, I was looking at mechanic, but I think Tech Support is going to dominate this edition, just like Managers did last edition. Tech Support just has too many buff/debuff options and utility skills that make a lot of other classes obsolete, or at least second-rate.

>>4502219

From 1-30'sh as a janitor has you doing a lot of boring ass side quests. Though it does give you some interesting roleplaying opportunities even if the followers you tend to have are mostly young...

Jantor's real strength comes from multi-classing.
Janitor/Clerk:Mail/Cook. The time it takes is intensive, but you become even more powerful then the overpowered CEO's through subterfuge and sabotage.

Never take the Aspergers Flaw. It seems like a good deal, but the game is heavily heavily social.

>>4502120
Part time work skills worked before, dude. I had a bike messenger who developed his office politics skills and I can't tell you how many times that has saved his job.

>>4502258
If you've never played a marketing class before do not go for salesman. the door to door stuff at early levels is a bitch to get a hang of and chances are if you don't know what you're doing you'll go down really fast. I suggest that if you work in an office in your current game, try and take a few ranks in telemarketing if you can spare them.

>>4502267
At least with one Manager you can get a lot accopmlished. You can take the archetype party of Manager, Tech Support, Pencil Pusher, Janitor, and maybe even toss in an Intern. But try playing as a party of Managers. If you do it right, everyone gets buffed high enough to take on CEOs. Most fun I've ever had in a campaign.
"I make a roll for corporate takeover."
"The DC is 50."
"Okay, after everything, from the interns working late, to the fax machine I fixed....*adding numbers* I got a 93. And I rolled a 2."
"......god dammit."

>>4502292
Oh, I know. But I'm talking about taking ONLY part time skills. Doing the bike messenger for quick cash early on, then taking the office politics skill ranks, then apprenticing in electrician and tech support. It's kind of cherry picking, but I wanted to roleplay it out as Kentaro from Golden Boy. That series was awesome.

>>4502299
Yeah, but tech support can just use their 'write spread sheet' application to duplicate the abilities of most Managers, Accountants, and Clerks. It costs them a little XP to do, but with four Tech Support guys working together, you can build an entire company from scratch in a week and start acquiring competitors immediately. I'm telling you, the Tech Support is WAY overpowered. Especially when they multiclass into Cracker so they can simultaneously use Incite Audit and Plant Digital Evidence on their opponents at will. It's a broken combo, especially since most of the buffs for one class's skills affect the other as well. The IT tree is all about synergy, dude. It can get beefy if you know how to work the numbers right.

>>4502342
Yeah, but we thought the idea of 4 managers taking over a company that was already built was funnier. One guy did multiclass into tech support and took the IT route so we could do crazy shit like that. I took the role of spokesman, since I took all the public speaking roles. The media toppled in the wake of my awesome presence.

>>4502333
Oh right, I guess in the company I was DMing it was a bit different. All my players wanted to be bike messengers so they did a bike messenger company. They filled all the necessary roles (nominally) with part time work skills and a few temps. They never really had to face down any CEOs because in that setting the tough encounters are all non-office.

>>4502342
While I do agree that it is possible to do this I wouldn't recommend it, Second you hit international your ass is grass. theory tested it. It's doable without much difference until you have to make international stratigic alliances and unless you have a proper manager this is damn near imposible, (talking natural 20s here) tech support charisma is not nearly high enough.

Optimal 5 man setup IMO
-Manager
-Accountant/Engineer
-Tech support
-Marketing proffesion (Any will do but 1 is essential)
-3rd party Consultant, (so usefull when done right, Protip: Never use him on your own party)

Christ, minmaxing! What's wrong with you people.

What ever happened to the early editions of the game, where you Roleplayed. You didn't just crunch numbers unless that was your job. You people need to remember the REAL editions of the game.

I fucking love you guys so much. This needs to be archived.

It's so fucking hard to get a new class in the new plot arc.

kill them and loot said strange dice.

>>4502555

way to derail the threa-

Oh wait...

>>4502534
We're trying to do the campaign in the new book where you have to overthrow china as an economic power. Only way we can make it past the mass production and low cost values is with 2 Managers, an accountant, 2/3 tech support, and the rest sales, 4-6 players recomended my ass.

>>4502575
I prefer to call it rerailing.

>>4502403
That actually sounds like a cool idea, I'll try that with my group next time I DM.
>>4502458
This brings up the argument of making effective characters =/= min maxing. I make it a point to roleplay all characters I make. We're talking about a fantastic world where I can be a bike courier, a cop, a market consultant, a dishwasher, hell, I'll even play as an intern. The point is, this is a fantastic world that we're being a part of. I can't do this as a lowly dragon keeper. I love playing P&P with some members of my clan. And as long as we have FUN with it, and enjoy ourselves, that should be all that matters. A friend of mine, we'll call him Gronk, because I know he comes on here, is treasurer to his chieftain. He loves playing janitors. But because he works with numbers all day, he can't help but get into the dynamics of the game. He enoys it, and we enjoy having a clean work environment and fresh coffee. He took some minor talents to do a little bit of everything around the office.

>>4502576
Use Temps man, and interns if you can afford it. It's easier to use each to take a tiny bit down then fire, then higher a new one asap and repeat. Also rights abuse claims are your friend.

You know what's fucked up? We have a more intelligent and meaningful conversation about 3.5/4e when we're pretending to be monsters and trolls.

>>4502757
That's just because the people who usually come in to 3.5/4 threads and make it terrible are the ones who aren't smart enough to penetrate a simple metaphor.

>>4502964
Truth. One day, though, we will all be truly eloqun/tg/entlemen.

>>4502976
Let us pray that you are correct. Though as long as ETHAN WELNER is out there I don't think /tg/ is safe.

>>4502992

Our board is filled with plenty of fa/tg/uys ready to die for the cause of good. They won't take our board. If need be, we can recruit /co/mrades, /x/enophiles, and even a regiment of /m/echs.

/tg/ has banding. It always has.

>>4503018
I forget, does the /m/echs' first strike transfer to everyone banded? Otherwise ETHAN WELNER might still have the upper hand

>>4503018
Your little speech reminded me of this incident.

>>4503044
I believe that's the case with /tg/ and /m/. Don't know. I know we can always get /d/ to help.

>>4503082

Oh, but what a terrible price we'd have to pay...

>>4503087

/d/ has Double Strike.

>>4503070
Vaguely borrowed from there. The statement still stands.

>>4503087
'Terrible', I'm sure. /tg/ is the only board capable of dealing with /d/. /d/ rapes /x/, /tg/ comes in and rescues /x/. The endless cycle resumes, but not in a terrible way. More of a friendly atmosphere there. But /x/ needs our help, now more than ever. I should create a seperate thread for this, but I believe that it goes without saying that any /x/philes are more than welcome here on our board while the bar/b/arian hordes continue their rampage. /d/ is welcome too, provided she behaves herself. And yes, that can be defined in several different ways.

>>4503133

A few wanderers from /x/ gave me every idea I've ever used in my horror campaigns. I hope we get a few over here while they wait for things to blow over. I need some more ideas,

I am so sick of the Mary-Sue faggotry that goes on in the America setting. Reagan is a level 89 hack President/Actor/Businessman, and a total Canon-Sue for the author.

Then the whole frickin' setting goes to shit when they launched 4th edition, what with this "world wide depression" shit & black President. What happened to all the characters I made in 3.5?

If you want a real setting, come check out Africa.

You have to start from the bottom up, none of the NPCS are above a level 35, and you can actually make a difference without having to interact with hack characters like Bill Gates or Donald Trump.

Dammit guys, I need some help. No matter what I try, my character can't seem to defeat this "Vista" creature.

I've tried every ability I have--Reboot, Registry Clean, Defragment...nothing.

Any advice on how to beat this damn thing?

>>4503133
Actually, /b/arbarians are raiding /d/ right now.

>>4503175
I'm still waiting to see what changes 4.0 is going to make to Africa.

I don't want to lose my pygmy accountant.

Lol, this thread is funny, but if my DM actually did that I'd smack him for recursion. NO FUCKING RECURSION!

>>4503175
The only people who play in the Africa setting are masochistic Anti-Sue motherfuckers. The people who DM for Africa games are limp-wristed fags who can't handle power.

>>4502504
You are currently voting on thread 4501185 ("Clerks&Offices")
Its current score is 0 after 0 votes.

>>4501185

Leave them alone, as I am obviously looking for knowledge to fill my library.

I wouldn't venture out of the Warp otherwise.

>>4503175
Meh, I prefer the Europe setting.

Sure, it's old as dirt, and you have to be a rules lawyer to get through some of those trade embargoes, but everyone loves the Temple of Russian Aggression module.

>>4503216
>voting
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

Europe's the only good campaign, no ULTRAMASSIVE supercorps with practically government backing, plus you get the incredibly cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Ireland's the best place though, especially if your DM's all "LOL U START AT LEVEL 1 UNEMPLOYED", just be all "do you take sterling", massive forgery bonus, plus laundering's easier there.

>>4503266
For low-level campaigns, I meant.
>>4503230
>herp derp start at level 20 its more fun that way disregard all the street stuff where all the fun is

>>4503215
It's better than having to deal with all the triple wielding Rappers/Actors/Clothing Line builds running around America.

Seriously, the gangster is supposed to be an evil class. What's with half of them being "LOL I'm chaotic good just like Run DMC!"

One album series in the 80's and everyone goes crazy for this build. I'm so sick of seeing it when I play.

>>4503266
Real men start as a level one wholesale merchant in Rotterdam with old currency rules. That new Euro bullshit is for wussies.

>>4503303
The gangster businessman build is banned in my settings, unless you can come up with a compelling reason to play a gangster businessman.

I'm not to keen on the teen starlet build that's starting to become popular, too.

Whatever happened to the good ol' accounting/janitor/management groups?

>>4503318
Pffft. Go back to 1st edition and your "cold war."

Still the best class, no matter how they nerf it 4th edition.

New economic policies can eat me.

>>4503318
I tried that shit once. DM decided to bomb Rotterdam.

>>4503230
I like Europe. It's kind of high-sex though, to the point of being unrealistic. It's like the creators thought all games should be sexual escapism. You don't see real people fucking that much, do you?

>>4501298
Nope, just edition-nonspecific asshattery.

But nice attempt at trolling anyway - you get six points and half a stale cheese danish.

>>4503266

Yeah but getting anywhere in Ireland is a bitch. It's fun for the asthetic and role playing values and the whole "Fuck year drunken fights". But actually trying to get through it is such a grind. (Also the corrupt government thing is a bit much on top of the 4e depression setting. Milking this cow much?)

>>4503303
>triple wielding Rappers/Actors/Clothing
Nobody I know has used this build. Ever.

>>4503189
no, that's russians from iichan.

>>4503230
Best BBEG ever!

>>4503360
Lucky you.

My players don't even bother giving them real names anymore.

"Chingy"
"Kanye West"
"Chamillionaire"

One group even named their business "Ruff Ryders."

I felt bad for the accountants & managers in my group.

>>4503376
I liked Stalin, back before they killed him off. I know Putin is a bit more subtle, and I'm sure everyone will be all >HERP DERP
at me, but subtlety be damned, there's something to be said for blatant disregard for sentient life.

But Russia is definitely the best Evil Empire around.

>>4503400
You're forgetting Hitler? Best evil overlord EVER.

>>4503400
The Red Communists of China are fun to play around with, though in the new edition I here it's all "we're social capitalists" now.

Why remove such an awesome evil empire?

>>4503415
See, that's like, no subtlety at all. HEY I KILL ALL THIS MINORITY AND CONQUER WORLD LOL
That's just unrealistic. People that are like that just don't exist. I prefer bad guys that could at least conceivably exist.

>>4503415
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>>4503400
I think China is beating Russia there.

>>4503324
1st edition was god tier. Especially in Europe. First game I ever played was the party attempting to escape from st. Petersburg and making it to America to become a leading manufacturer in the textile industry. 4e is just trying bring back the darker feeling of 1e while at the same time reworking the political structures away from the west, HINT:[spoiler]watch china[/spoiler]

haven't played too many games fully utalising the new political system yet due to finishing a very long running game from last edition.

Also glad they worked out some of the level grinding.

Love 'em, or hate 'em, 3.5 had the best BBEG.

You could either play on his side and reap huge benefits, or have an awesome futile campaign to try and replace him. Heck, even if you played moderate you had an awesome time.

I don't know why people complained it was so Min/Max. You didn't have to play that way if you didn't want to.

>>4503439

You're complaining about realism in a fantasy setting where people regularly travel in flying metal tubes, and almost all diseases can be cured by pricking yourself with some magic needle?

>>4503477
Because america was overpowered in 3.5, 4e has better political balance

You guys appal me. If you put half as much effort into actual work as you did these games, you'd be more powerful than Merlin by now.

>>4503487
@
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>>4503487
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that "Americans were overpowered"

Yes, at the higher levels they were, but you had to struggle up to a decent level to get those hack powers. A level 1 unemployed European could easily survive and gain levels, but a level 1 American had to earn his way up to being able to use those insane business powers like "offshore tax shelter" or "dotcom stock bubble."

Wait... was dotcom stock bubble 3.0 or 3.5?

>>4503518
Please. The tax penalties in the American setting are ridiculously low. After level 12 your power grew exponentially.

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>>4503505
And I suppose YOU spend all your time poring over spellbooks for some new cantrip to toss around?

>>4503518
Dotcom stock bubble was 3.0

>>4503518
The extra feat for being an American is nice, but Asians get that bonus to all mathematics checks that makes them fucked up.

Also, Asians are just a copy of elves, amirite?

I quit with the War on Iraq worldwide campaign.

I just wish they hadn't decided to jack up Mexico's Corruption score last update. Now everyone just starts in Mexico for the +health and +work ethic, then just relocates to the US as soon as the game starts to get their citizenship bonuses. They'd better change that in the next errata.

>>4503518
Depends on class, see >>4502219
If you new how to work the system you could remain infinatly wealthy via multiclassing. with the introduction of tech suport now It's a very good thing that America was brought down a few pegs.

>>4503611
When players try that in my campaign, I just have them "mistaken" for arms dealer classes, and have them attacked by boarder patrol. That'll teach them to power-game!

>>4503586
Don't get me started on that. I've had so many people play such douchy Asians.

>>4503482
Hypodermic syringes aren't that different from wands, and besides, it's not like they aren't balanced, you have to be a frickin doctor class to even get near them legally.

>>4503633
Face it, the illegal classes with access to hypodermics aren't exacly hard to find though are they...

Hey, this seems like the right thread. (What is with /bis/ being nothing but Stock: the Exchange & Manufacturing 40K threads right now?)

My DM is starting a level 3 campaign starting in the Canada setting. (I know... I know... Canada is for kids who to play using both American & European set skills). What do you think of this build?

Account Manager
Work Ethic: 14
Flexibility: 10
Durability: 18
Intelligence: 12
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 16

At Wills:
-Smoke Break
-E-mail Forward

Per Meeting:
-Diligent Note Taking
-Iron Bladder

Daily:
-Business Lunch
-Conference Call

I know everyone uses Work Ethic as a dump stat, but if I pump it to 16, by level 8 I can take the "Reliable" feat. I think the bonus to defense versus blame is worth it.

I'm thinking about replacing Diligent Note Taking with Good Memory, but then I'd have to increase Int for a good bonus, and that doesn't really fit this build.

>>4503655
Yeah alright, I only played one once though because we had a Cop in the party who was always on my ass about it. Dude always plays cops too, so I just can't be bothered trying to roleplay around him.

>>4503655
Yeah, but to use it correctly they have to make a DC 30 Use Medical Device check, failing by 5 or more will get you EVEN SICKER, and don't get me started on the messed up shit that happens when they roll a 1. Doctors don't even need to roll--they use them as a class feature.

>>4503452
I'm just glad they moved away from 2E shit.

If I wanted war against a threatening evil enemy, I could already be fighting.

I slay them because they are playing the wrong edition.

>>4503661
What is this? Some kind of roleplaying game for rich folks to pretend they're normal people?

>>4503673

You can't get away with anything fun when there's a cop in the party...

>>4503661
You don't really have the INT for E-mail forward. Why didn't you take Look Busy instead?

Also, you're going to want Round of Golf at level 14. Best Daily in the game, by far.

>>4503661
Dump Worth Ethic and pump Intelligence.

That with Good Memory will be a lot easier when you face Outside Consultants or Hostile Takeovers.

>>4503722
You didn't read the thread, did you?

>>4503724
Try having him play the dirty cop class in the vile greed splatbook. You keep the presence of authority and nervous aura class features, but everything else makes you more of a criminal class than anything else.

>>4503756
I read the thread...I just don't know if it's all made up or not. I assume it is, but you guys are getting pretty convincing so I'm not sure anymore.

>>4503783
Oh, man, that class is something broken. Is there anything that can counter it's abilities?

These people really need better writers. The Middle East region hasn't had a significant plot advancement in centuries, and it's always "lol war". Reality does not work that way.

>>4503837
Then we have done our job well.

>>4503860
Just mary-sue shit like Loose Cannon.
And really, the cure is worse than the disease.

>>4503896

Lucky Junkies are another way to deal with Dirty Cops, they can pull off the odd lucky shot with a 9mm if you are playing in a country with reasonable access to them, and a couple of shots to the head will put down a mid level character.

>>4504041
Our DM's favourite setting is suburban post-industrial UK. Basically it's such a low-power level game that a dirty cop is our BBEG. He and his cronies beat us in every confrontation.

>>4504059

Sounds like a really awesome game. I'm currently playing a game set in Northern Ireland, which is gritty and grimdark as, lots of machination and nobody knows who their real allies are, but my Dealer is able to make a lot of easy cash seeing that 12gauges and various Narcotics find their way to the right owners.

>>4504082
Maybe you can help us out then? The problem is we don't have much access to guns. Our group is an Umemployed Artist, Local Darts Champion, University Drop-Out, Fireman and Specsavers Manager (Multi-into local football player). All level 3.

Pull up a chair and join them.

>>4504102

I'll see what I can do for you, I can maybe see a few pistols go your way.


Thing is, if I arrange something like that for you, you will owe me a couple of favours, tell me - what city is your game based in and can any of your characters drive? I might had a few driving based jobs for you english bastards to do.

>>4504112
>kill monsters
>play game

fixed

later, the DM kills himself trying to think inside out

>>4504146
Sheffield. All of our characters can drive.

kill 'em for the XP

>>4504200

In terms of equipment how does 4 pistols, and a sawn off shotgun sound to you - I can arrange that for about £200 if you can run to that.

Fantastic... well - I will arrange for some guns to be shipped to Hull in a white ford transit. When you arrive there, get in - I'll mail you the keys. Drive back home, and if you would be so kind as to park the van in the Hillsborough stadium, on a saturday - one of our "men on the inside" will dispose of it - all you have to do is call the number given.

>>4504256
Actually... there's only 4 of us, and we're all level 6 policemen. Sucker.

>>4504274

Ah well, another deal falls through - nothing lost.

(if you want to play the "police sting" better in the future, don't strike until you have the player in your sights)

The closest I've ever come to this is having a group of gnomes in a tavern with little wooden hexagon tiles bartering exchanges of wood and sheep.

I search for treasure in a new realm by entering the newly-broken fourth wall.

>>4505679
I join you!

Seriously /tg/. Somebody needs to homebrew this game. I'd play it, and so would my usual group.

Actually, asians have a +5 to bluff involving mathematics- they were never "proven" to be good at it in-game- apparently, a whole nation was given outdated tests and it skewed things.

But, unrealistic stuff like that is why I play this game.

>>4503860
If there are any mid-level managers in your party, you can usually get Internal Affairs to drop a hammer on him. Techies can also fight fire with fire, and plant some dirty evidence, but other than that, you're out of luck.

>>4501185
Butcher them all. Only later does my character realize the awkward silence between himself and the rest of the party. The elf stops starting recursive games when we get to taverns.

>this thread

I am so fucking proud of each and every one of you fuckers right now.

I'm not playing this again til they introduce rules for gestalt characters.

Is it worth choosing mailroom guy as a starting class anymore?

You know, I really don't like some of the abilities that they have in this game. The blue-collar and white-collar balance is just too finely tuned, and really grates my high-fantasy sensibilities.

In the real world, dragons and kings always win, while the laborers and shit-farmers get nothing, so why should it be any different here? I want to get back to a more realistic setting that simulates real economy, none of this government safety-net or nanny state crap. Hell, did you notice that out of all of the more than 100 countries, only 30 something are monarchies? And they are mostly some kind of 'constitutional monarchy' BS. Why would the nobles even put up with this shit?

Last time someone tried to overthrow the local baron over here, he hired a group of adventurers, and had the ring-leaders made brutal examples of. Why don't they just do that in P&P? This is why I play ASSRAPE instead - it's so much more realistic.

Check out the new splatbook.

Postan in epic thread!

No, really, what that tell of my real life that I'd love to play this.

Also, I'm noting a distinct lack of power source:lawyer classes. I did always think they were intended for GM dickery NPCs.

>>4507691
meh, could be worse. Personally I'm pissed about what happened to menialy personel. The cost =/= their effectiveness anymore from what I can tell.

can we archive this?