This is how they die, or are trapped... perhaps the Queen of hearts kills the sister..or the brother is just insane and kills her, and creates something new.

I love how the Mad Hatter is a singer, and makes EVIL NECROMANCY with his music. It seems the Red Queen is quite the villainess.

>The second alice was a man

The worst part is..what happens if your 'Alice' dies.. does your story end? Or are you forever trapped in grimndark Wonderland?

This is creepy and awesome.

>>4225841
I'd hesitate to call it amazing but it was certainly worth watching.

Pic related.

>>4225871
Kyonko would like a word with you.

>>4225876
Darklord status.

How bout we make a system? I can do a semi free form one really quick based on the video.

Ok Lets say you have some measure of influence in this world to reshape it as you want. So this "Glamor" can be spent to shape the world. Whatever you spend it for the DM causes to the world, You can only make singular changes, or corrections. You can not stack it on top of each other for the price of one glamor.

Now the glamor can be depleted, but you can gain it back by letting the world go to shit and it always does. For every slip you let happen you get glamor back, but you can't change this slip. The people start dieing and you let it slip, the people keep dieing until you are all alone in your dream world and are forgotten. This happens when you run out of glamor and the world finally gets it's hold on you.

Less of a campaign and more of a side game of taking a character through the prospect of being a god and playing it to it's horrible end. Maybe some expanding on this?

>>4226150
>Kyonko would like a word with you.
What would once being a man have to do with Kyonko?

Miku's a slut in this.

It's interesting, all of them die save for clover and the one brother of heart.

Not sure what that means

EHHH?EGH?EHgrsodu lcvj

>>4226167
Oh Fuck you are right. I could TOTALLY do a Ravenloft setting like this with powers checks and everything. THE RULES ALREADY EXIST.

Interesting~

>>4226315
I think Ravenloft would work even better as a smaller, ironic hell.
As per the OP's flash.
Like everyone's a darklord, but the realms are only a few miles across.
And losing means you get your own.

This is an interesting story... It's ambiguity lends it intreage and leaves so many things unawnsered. Notice that the dream cries as the first Alice carves her red path? And the corruption of the dream happens only after the dream leaves the image.

>>4226315
>Oh Fuck you are right. I could TOTALLY do a Ravenloft setting like this with powers checks and everything. THE RULES ALREADY EXIST.
Explains this to me.

>>4226541
Ravenloft is comprised of realms separated by walls of mist.
Each realm is the prison of a Darklord, who is essentially a tragic hero, villain, or random guy who accidentally got the attention of the dark powers.
They get Ironic Hell'd, in that the Dark Powers give them what they wish for, but torment them endlessly.

Examples would probably help.
Go Google Strahd.

So... Lets see if I got this straight.
The first was a psychopath who got locked away because of her crimes.
The second was an emo who killed himself inexplicably.
The third was a slut who now lives horribly discontented in the perversion of her creation.
The fourth were twins who ???

>>4225841
That flash is retarded.

OP's flash was some trippy shit.

Clover girl had no nipples. I closed the window disapointed... after my third viewing.

>>4225841
...are these the Vocaloids? At the very least the green one looks like Miku and the twins look like Len/Rin. Also neat.

>>4226169
Why does this remind me of WoD changeling?

>>4226355
I just figured Wonderland is a Ravenloft dread domain with the Dreadlord 'Chesire Cat' ..or five dread lords, (each 'alice' of wonderland) plus Chesire Cat (the true dream itself that never wants people to escape, or the Chesire cat is simply the Dark Powers) And when you dream you enter it. You are constantly tempted to do evil or strange things...

>>4226575
So... Lets see if I got this straight.
The first was a psychopath who got locked away because of her crimes.

She was drawn into the Wonderland by the dream(chesire cat, dark power) for her will, her temper, and her physical prowess. Very haughty, the Red Queen. Chesire decided she was so evil she would warp the forest around her, and imprison her there.

The second was an emo who killed himself inexplicably.

It appears he had sung songs that were not what they seemed, causing madness and warping his world around him. But he wore rose designs on his clothing, so the Red queen (lover of all roses..and always angry at roses not red..) possessed him and forced him to shoot himself. (Being a crazy necromancer he persisted it seems) They say that madness is like a flexible bullet.

The third was a slut who now lives horribly discontented in the perversion of her creation.

The third of course is the caterpillar, always confusing and misleading people. She made such the interesting world of lies, that no one can see it's true marker...except her. She can only see the truth, and it is sickening, thus she is eternally bored. (And the caterpillar always high on opium)

The fourth were twins who ???
The twins are tweedle dee and tweedle dum, technically. The boy is actually both tweedle dee and tweedle dum, for if you listen you note that they get close to the first alice (the red queen) trapsing through the forest... and either she -kills- the sister, or something happens where the brother kills her(more likely). Then, since he is absolutely fucking insane, having been a twin, he creates a duplicate of himself to wander Wonderland for eternity, never to awaken.

>>4226879
I really do appreciate that you took the time to give a serious responce. Honestly, did you gather that all from the flash? I thought there was so much left ambigious.

>>4226914
Your welcome!
Yes, I was studying it carefully.. trying to piece together each little thing.

One more little note - since the rabbit is not technically shown, I have belief that the rabbit and the chesire cat are one and the same. The Chesire cat is the dream's will, and the rabbit is the dream's 'physical' embodiment..

>>4226914
If you pay close attention, and are familiar with Alice in Wonderland, you can put it together with some mild work.

>>4226965
That makes sence, actually. Since the dreams will is to endure the cat is most fitting for it and the rabbit is what "leads" them further into the dream. The chesire is seen with the introduction of each character before fading away like a fall from grace... Alice of Spades makes it cry and is imprisoned, Alice of Diamonds is left and has no protection from the Alice of Spades, and the Alice of Clovers eventually seems to let down the chesire, and so leaves her to her twisted reality.

>>4227044
Indeed, so now any character in the Wonderland dread realm could be subject to a twisted set of powers checks..based on how it may or may not disappoint the dream.

That was... Something else entirely. Gotta say, I'm impressed by it though. Saved. Might use the idea in a forum RPG...

>>4225841
I was always surpised that works such as this and... oh let's say Lilium stand alone and arn't part of any deeper story. Obviously this is based off Alice and Wonderland, but it's interesting to think where they could have run with it had they decided to contiue the story to the last Alice.

>>4226879
>It appears he had sung songs that were not what they seemed, causing madness and warping his world around him

sup

>>227062
But disapointing it isn't the only way to find damnation. The Chesire never seemed displeased with the Alices of Heart or Alice of Diamonds (last seen smiling in both instances, where it is crying and frowning by the AoS and the AoC). Instead, pleased by their creations it seems to leave them to their own destruction through the Alice of Spades, where if they had kept its intreage it likely would have protected them.

>>4227141
No it wouldnt, because now they are traped in the dream forever. Exactly what it wants

A viral dream, a world that refuses to be forgotten. Reality bends to the whim and desire of mad and skewed. Ruled by sin with a chesire grin.

Welcome to Wonderland

"I don't belong here... I'm not insane..."
"My dear... we're all mad here."

>>4227170
Good point.

... They're the chaos gods.

Queen = Khorne
Hatter = Tzench
'Pillar = Nurgle.
Twiddles = Slanessh

Did anyone else notice the Tea-holding thing had the word "Alice" written on the side, and the contents form a vaguely humanoid shape, like that of a fetus or some other small creature-thing.

Anywhere I can get this song?

I get a lust vibe from Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum, both fleshy lusts and wanderlust. Experimentation and exploration. Curiosity unrestrained.

>>4227238
Didn't notice the human shape inside.
>>4227222
Caterpiller makes a better slan. Either the hatter or the twins are Nurgle, but the twins would make more sence.

The OP picture alone is cooler than the flash. Having seen the flash degrades the picture a bit. At my first look, I though it ressembled one of those "choose your player!" screen from old videogames.

>>4227266
Awh yeah twincest.

Sorry, not 40k or D&D related, not going to happen.

>>4227291
Admittedly, the flash isn't that great, but the possible setting is interesting. A disturbing dream that refuses to be forgotten, so it moves to new dreamers, trapping the previous dreamers within.

GRIMDARK Wonderland has always had a lot of potential as a setting.

>>4227333
I imagine the dreamers would be like coma victims.

>>4226965
I actualy disagree I think the chesire cat is the embodyment of the dream and the rabbit is always displayed as that white doll leading all who venture into the world to the Red Queen.

>>4227497
Dude the maybe the rabbit leads people to the red queen because so someone might free her and end the nightmare that has been created.

>>4226879
>or something happens where the brother kills her(more likely).
That is what happened her brother was intellegent his mind could not handle the strain of the world like his sister's mind could. So he went insane and killed her then realizing his mistake made a copy of himself.

I was actually thinking about doing this a while back, but I'm just learning how this all works and it isn't my turn to DM yet. Anyway, let me just bounce some ideas off with you all here in /tg/.

So, they're all named Alice.
Color/Name/Symboled Item/Class
Red/"Bloody Alice"/Sword of Spades/Berzerker
Blue/Alfonse Icen/Diamond Song/Bard
Green/Queen Ecila/Scepter of Clubs/Noble and Necromancer
Yellow/Alex and Elice/Heart Invitation/Sorcerer and Cleric maybe?

Anyway, the basic jist of the campaign would center around being hired by the now-dead parents of Alex and Elice to accompany them to their relatives house in a distant land as per their Will. Chartering a distinctly yellow boat, the party embarks on their quest. After disembarking, the boat either leaves or melts away for some reason, leaving the party standed on the island/continent.

At this point, you can make the nearby town as normal or as creepy as you'd like, but the castle inhabited by Queen Elice should be either feared or mysteriously 'brainwashed' from the populous despite looming in the distance. Perhaps part of the invitation would direct the part toward the castle in some way.

Inside the castle would be traps and illusions of all sorts, but in the dungeons would be "Bloody Alice", a trail of blood leading from the forest to the castle and into the dungeon. "Bloody Alice" is insane and inconsolable and worse yet, pitted against the party. Upon defeat, one of the objects of interest would be the sword which can be taken. However, this sword drives the user progressively insane and fills them with blood lust as it fells enemies.

>>4228040
Another room, perhaps a ballroom or the like, would house Alfonse Icen (and maybe some enemies waltzing), brainwashed and reanimated and will fly into a murderous rage at anyone interrupting his music. Same thing, the music drove him mad making him and those who heard it addicted to it and kill each other. Now he's risen and can sing all he wants. Con check anyone?

Queen is obviously the big bad, although it may be nice to note that her 'pure' soul is being entrapped in a mirror perhaps and that freeing her might give extra bonus karma points. Also, depending on who was holding the invitation for the longest (and getting some sort of conferred abilities) goes insane after some time.

HOORAY FOR INSANITY CAMPAIGN.

>>4228057

Also, for those of you who are interested, there is more than one flash of this song. This is a song that was made through 'Vocaloid', a program to make music with synthetic (sampled really) voices, which I quite enjoy. It has its own characters...which you've just met through the flash.

Anyway, for clarification, the red Alice killed people, a lot of people, and had she not killed so many, the trail of blood that lead the local law enforcement to her forest hideout would not have been there.

Also, there's some debate but the Blue Alice was very popular for his music, and He was either murdered by a raving fan or friend or suicided under pressure (Kurt Cobain?)

>>4228093
Other animations? Links?

>>4227497
OP here, yes..I suppose that's true. It does lead them in in a sense, and the Chesire cat is always grinning, happy he will never be forgotten, giving little direction other than whimsical and befuddling answers.

>>4228040
>>4228057
>>4228093
This. I like this.

However, seems that Diamond/Blue was the Bard/Necromancer type and not Clover. Clover is more of a Beguiler/Illusionist Specialist wizard.

The flash suggests blue was either shot by himself when the queen overtook him, outraged at he wearing a blue rose, or the Mad Hatter already within the dream shot him (the second flash on youtube.. but I like this first interpretation better)

I love the idea of the 'invitation' to the castle.. and it slowly driving people more and more mad (thusly incurring powers checks!)

>>4228194
I take it back, out of the Libris mortis there is a Dirgesinger prestige class - fits pretty damned perfectly if you ask me. Also, I'm sure that Blue is the Mad Hatter, since he had blue roses in his garden anyhow. And he was in the forest.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=human+sacrifice+alice&aq=f

OP here, right on youtube are a tone of interpretations, english lyrics version and the like.

>>4228273
God damn, there's tones of interpritations and animations for each

>>4228371
I like best that they were all lead in by the rabbit in one way or another, being led into the dreamworld in one way or another. They are all trapped in there in some way. Chesire is the physical embodiment.

Red Queen is the big bad of the forest, berserker sword kudos for points, and The Hatter's 'shooting himself' is the best euphemism for insanity (Plus, Dirgesinger goodness). Young girl (Caterpillar) Is misleading, she has a large portion of the domain.. basically right under the red queen's nose. The tweedles are sort of a random encounter, but they could possibly be psuedo mist ferrymen.. even though the boy has a fake sister now from mind control of the Queen (I like creepy fake dream sister anyhow, over creepy fake dream brother).

With all the other crazy shit in Wonderland it's a wrap..

Huge thanks /tg/. Keep up your ideas if you have them, I'm loving it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPz9Zu0yrA&feature=related

By the way, German cover. I think it sounds particularly good in that good 'ol Grimm's Fairy tales fashion.

>>4228473
However what is the goal of the players in this world. I think there should be 3 types of endings.

Good End: The players free the alices souls from there damned existance and wonderland finally dies.
Neutral End: They escape the world sanity in tact however they still occasionally hear the calls of the wonderland in there dreams.
Bad End: The wonderland gains a new alice.

>>4228548
Sounds just fine. I like the neutral ending because it means you end up going back.

You'll have to destroy the dream somehow..but you'll never do so if you remember it and think about it..it's like THE GAME WHICH YOU JUST LOST.

Evil Ending: Kill all the Alices.. Brutalize the embodiments of the dream. As you deal the final blow, feeling your victory over this horrid corrupt world is at hand, you find yourself in a vast, empty space of blackness. You frown.. and become pale..realizing that if you do not have anyone to think about you.. you will die unless you get people to wander into you..

Thus the cycle repeats. DREADLORD STATUS. INCOMING GAME.

>>4228713
Redeemed Ending: You become the dream same thing but you turn this twisted chaotic world into something orderly buetiful.

Bump for insanity?

Argh, damn, I missed the thread...

I actually have a 238 page pdf for a Wonderland setting that I pulled off the internets a year or so back. Haven't ever used it, so I dunno how well it would work, but if any anons are interested I can throw it up on rapidshare.

>>4230702

I'm interested. Share away!

>>4226263
i thought the alice of hearts was the main character going through the rabbit hole and into wonderland

>>4231363
They were all alices.
'Alice', in this terminology, is someone that got sucked into wonderland.
All of the four in this video got BAD ENDS, though.

>>4230702
Sounds interesting, put it up

>>4231198
Well, turns out rapidshit is more complicated than I thought, so I threw it up on megashare instead.
http://www.MegaShare.com/737080
If theres any problems downloading it I can try putting it up somehwere else.

Also, small Alice imagedump incoming.

And thats all i've got.

Op link doesn't work anymore. Any reposts?

>>4231584

Seconding this.

this topic is retarded

>>4231584
http://swfchan.com/11/50705/?human+sacrifice+alice.swf

>>4231628
thanks

>>4231628

Thanks.

I didn't read the whole thread but does any think that it would be interesting if all the people came there by accident but stayed by choice. And the place is held together by the Alices that live here. If the PC's kill all the Alices they realize they still can't get out and they themselves are keeping the world alive. They end up having to choices. Kill themselves and make sure no one has to endure this ever again or Become what they have destroyed ensuring immortality and the cost of their sanity. At least until the next set of Alices come along.

Maybe this could be tied in with Yume Nikki somehow?

Stuff like this makes me think Japan still has some creative juice left.

>>4231806

The game is based on the wanderings of a girl through dreamworlds, some more fucked-up than others, and it seems as it could fit within the campaign world, where Wonderland can leak through into some of the dreamworlds to lure people into its depths. Besides, it explains the purpose of those wandering beaked woman...things. They are not there to hunt people down, but quarantine areas and isolate those who endanger themselves by wandering too close to Wonderland, like where they swarm in the Red Hell Maze or other strange locales in that game.

>>4231893

Ah, it seems you all missed that thread based upon that freeware game after all.

>>4231806
I am closing my laptop
I am going to read Catch 22
I am going to try and not close my eyes.

>>4231929

Yossarian is fucking awesome. He attempts to avoid all catch-22's and doesn't afraid of anything...well, ok, I lied about that last part, but you get the idea.

>>4231462

I love the idea behind that, it's pretty amazing.

>>4225841
It's so wickedly beautiful. I'm stealing this and combining it with Psychonauts, nIgHtS and Delta State.

This is like a campaign I tried, only turned up to eleven.

>>4232238
Do the characters steal people's dreams or are theirs being eaten by a Illithid/Beholder combo?

>>4231462
OP Here, wow the thread lives! Awesome.

This is fuckwinawesome, thank you for posting this! I've been at work trying to figure out the stats for the Alice characters. I am quite pleased, I'll post them when I'm done.

Expect things like 'control plants' in relation to roses and thorny vines for Spade, along with scrying through roses. Aura of Madness (not unlike the Obyrith lords of the Fiendish Codex I, but they can turn it on/off) for Diamond and Clover(however hers will compliment her Beguiler/Illusionist abilities), and the twins.. well, the phantom sister is gonna be a scary mind creation so it'll do most of the hurting.

But who knows, perhaps the party will befriend one or more of the Alices.. all in all, they are the 'life' which Wonderland draws from to remain in place. If the PCs destroy an Alice, parts of Wonderland begin to unravel and shit starts going to hell.

Holy Mother of God this thread's epicness is getting tobe beyond the impossible. someone save it!

Thread is now archived on suptg.

>>4232610
Have you ever played American McGee's Alice? Its nice and dark, goes along pretty nicely with the direction this is going.

OP Here, I'm reading through the Unsanity and the chessboard rules. *chinrub* The way I'm thinking of Wonderland, it has the chessboard system in a sense. If it's a Ravenloft domain then you are in Level 1 wonderland and can go up and down from there. But Level 1 is the sanest you are going to get once in there. Possibly you go in when you sleep, or if you are on the Prime you are led there.. makes it easier to control. Meanwhile if you plan on extending the game past Wonderland you can have the whole 'Reflection' of yourself fucking shit up when you were away and then deal with what occurs after you get out (if you do)

>>4233171
I have but not for a very, very long time. I need to replay it.. I am feeming. And about to go find a copy of it. Though I fear it will distract me from writing up the campaign now.

Thanks for the archive.. I'd hate to lose this.
I've decided that the Prime material IS 'Chessboard 0' in a sense, since it makes it all delightfully horrific. The descent into madness afterwards is fantastic. Unfortunately the PCs will always return to Wonderland once 'infected' with the 'disease' .. until they solve it or die within its borders. Probably a really good way to offshoot a campaign too if a few players are absent and you are aching to do something and not waste that night doing nothing.

I wonder, should Spade be a decomposing body wrapped in thorns?

Vocaloids are now /tg/ related. Thanks guys.

I think we need more drawfaggotry of the twins personally.

>>4228220
Harbinger is more likely.

OP here.
Level 0(The Prime) in the DnD cosmology would be like Level 2 (from the pdf supplied earlier) With some elements of Chessboard level 3 normally. Chessboard level 3 is the 'normal' state of the Dread Realm, descending further. In the medieval realm, there are less levels and hitting the crazy is just a blink of an eye away, anyways.

Nah, they're all getting statted up.. but Spade will be a bloody Alice with a sword.. able to control thorny vines and scry through roses. She can also do that dryad tree-jump shit at will. She is made of party raep all by her lonesome.

Diamond will be a haggard man with a bleeding temple, hidden under his hat. Blood is crusted on his ears, and he always wears a sleepy, tired smile with a lazy far off look. His blue outfit has stains over the flowers in blood, so much so that they have turned red. He is encountered at the Tea party naturally, with his entourage of 'fans' (all really disguised undead followers who jump and dance for him..and enjoy his strange stories). The hat hides the bullet wound (victorian guns are messy) He often adjusts his hat, revealing the gaping hole especially when searching for things. He has the undead archetype, but aside from the wound doesnt seem it. His songs cause madness, though it is lovely people will need to save every round they hear it or take wisdom damage (much like an Allip). He'll be a Bard/Dirgesinger.. maybe a level or two of Wizard specialist necromancer if needed.

Clover, the dear Caterpillar will be linked from the Diamond encounter by an invitation to the castle in some way.. and they will have to traverse the woods once more and find her 'kingdom' along the way. People will need to make will saves to actively attack her, similar to Malcanthet's ability from Fiendish Codex 1, and have a couple nifty abilities to aid her enchanting. She will have card soldiers for guards, all Clovers.. as well as nameless people enthralled by her. Everyone loves her after all! The encounter should be very socially based, due to the whole 'everyone is charmed under my control teehee' aspect.

The twins (well, just the boy and his magic fake sister) will be encountered randomly, but if they can be befriended (it's up to you to figure out how! I plan on making good use of the Sigil of Mourning..) they can lead you to many places in Wonderland. Or they may be upset and just send you off.. who knows! Huge possibilities with this.

This shit is retarded. Your topic sucks OP.

There will be rumors to the White Queen (read through the looking glass) with her encounter(s). Especially from the invitation that's given from the castle. The White Queen will of course just be another facet of the 'Wonderland dream' that wants to be heard. She constantly talks backwards and does things in reverse, like she is a mirror image. She might be a killable version of the dream, but taking her out could be very dangerous indeed. Traditionally, the White Queen tried to help Alice however..so it might be some strange sense of guilt from the dream for imprisoning the Alices, or even your party (depends on if you've really pissed the dream off).

At some point once out, the party needs to deal with this Red queen who constantly harries the party in the woods in some way shape or form. I expect them to run from her or die..or be subjected to a humiliating trial and punishment most benign. I may be nice, I may not be!

There's always chance to sink into deeper madness (down the rabbit hole we go!) in Wonderland and have many interesting events. Besides encountering the white rabbit (the DM's little helper to lure PCs..) or the Cat (for when you please the Dream) those are the primary, major events I have in store. And of course the various endings (or discontinuations thereof)

>>4234990
>WE SHULD ALL JSUT PLAY 40K WHAR THEARS NO STORRYS TO TELL OR PLAEN OUT

>>4235071
>insulting 40k
You realize what board this is, right?

>>4235089
So you're basically telling me that stating a fact about 40k is the same as insulting it?

>>4235149
No but quite frankly you can't please everyone.

the flash 404'd, repost plox?

>>4235272

>>4231628 worked for me.

I'd take the general premise (the Silent Hill but more colorful and insane than rusty and creepy esque drag-you-in dream) and replace the suits/minor-arcana motif with a Through The Looking Glass style chess/mirrors theme. This is better for a campaign as well- instead of someone simply being chosen as the new Alice, you have to cross the board and defeat the reigning monarch to become the new King.

I love you /tg/

CHRIST.
THIS WOULD BE SUCH AN INCREDIBLE ANIME OPENING.

In JAGS wonderland terms it seems like whoever becomes the Alice is a drama-vortex around which all other beings fall into subordinate narrative niches (basically becoming like the big mads in the mid level chessboard).

However the Dream (the Cheshire Cat someone said?) seems to pervert the worlds that are created by these peoples' subconciousnesses...or maybe one's inner desires will do that normally.

After a certain point of perversion it goes too far and even if they still exist as a character (or even are still perfunctory centers of the universe ala Clover) they can no longer really function as the Alice, they have lost that human aspect and have to be replaced by the Dream in order for it to sustain itself.

Could somebody load the flash back up again, please?

>>4235912

>>4235912
Shortest god damn anime ever

the opening is the damn show

>>4235912

>>4235978
>>4231628

Alice of Spade : Fighter/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker + Special abilities "Red Queen" Control Plants(Vines and rose thorns) Scry (via roses in forest) Possession (Frenzied Berserker's 'inspire frenzy' ability) - Magical sword of Bloodlust

Alice of Diamond: Bard/Dirgesinger + Song of Madness (Wis Damage), Undead(Disguised) Followers, March Hare

Alice of Clover: Beguiler/Illusionist, Mad Beauty, Seductive Gaze, Reflect Enchantment. Throng of mindless charmed followers who get angry if you disagree with her.

Alices of Heart : Boy - Int/Dex Rogue. Girl - Str/Cha Rogue(Monk?). Planeswalker type, able to open doors, every twin feat possible (Vexing flanker, etc) Can be a friend or foe. Boy carries an amulet that never lets him move on with his grief, cannot mentally heal but this allows him to manifest his sister as well as a twisted version. They can always teleport towards each other if separated, and gain bonuses merely by being within 10 feet of each other on many things (like auto aid another)

White Rabbit: The insidious nature of the dream needing to lure souls in to power it. Physical embodiment that can manifest in the Prime material plane. It must draw upon more and more people or it will be forgotten, as its captured, dehumanized 'Alices' no longer give it any sustenance. They belong to Wonderland, ergo the dream.

Cheshire Cat: Inner representation of the dream, often comes off as well meaning and helpful, wanting the new Alices to keep their humanity as long as possible. He will guide adventurers through Wonderland through his riddles, and may even decide to help some escape in a cryptic fashion. Hates the Red Queen, disappointed by the other ex-Alices. The Red Queen is strong, so the dream cannot silence her..and thus she constantly claims weaker would-be Alices that the dream can draw power off of.

>>4236717
I've been reading..but wouldnt the Cheshire Cat represent the Joker card .. i.e. the Wild Card more than anything? Cats are said to hold unimaginable power especially in dreams. He could just be a cat.

This thread is awesome and you all should feel awesome.

Especially you, >>4231462

OP here - this just in.

The Red and White queen have chess match battles with 'card men' ..real soldiers appearing like cards. But, there is something special about the Red Queen's deck. Since she hunts new Alices as they come in occasionally, those she picks off she can put into her deck and send them off in 'wars' against the White queen.

>>4235912

>>4235912

If you think you guys got the story all down, check again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q2dSSg5kvs&feature=related

I'm heading off for the artist's site to see how he envisioned this new Alice in Wonderland. It reminds me of American McGee's. I'm in!!!

>>4235912

>>4237912
Interesting, the Twins had the heart symbol but then the boy got the red spade.

I like the art on this one. Who's this "VOCALOID"? Is it a studio or just a person?

Okay this is awesome

I want to play this campaign so bad but I would have a hard time convincing my current group.

>>4237026
One factor you should keep in OP mind is that intelligent characters should be at an extreme disadvantage in this world because they will more than likely be vey susptable to insanity. While I imgen wizdom and constitution will get you far.

>>4238132
Sanity corruption? Sounds like Cthluhu, Shadow Hearts and Eternal Darkness to me!!!

............... Whooooooo, sanity corruption in dreams, when humans are in drect contact with the warp????

>>4238132
Wisdom and Charisma are actually your best stats in the game. Intelligence makes you more susceptible to insanity, but once you're nuts... you can use it to do craaaazy things. Like Wonderland magic. (muhaha)
DM: So you have Wonderland Magic. Do you cast your level 1 Wonderland spell?
PC: Hmm, what does it do?
DM: WHY DONT YOU CAST IT AND FIND OUT?! MUHAHA

>>4238269
PC:I cast fireball
DM: Okay you summon a forth a swarm of butterflys that do 2d6 ice damage.

I think there should be a system were there is physical damage and mental damage
Every creature in the world does physical and its standard death mechanic.
Then there is sanity damage (which is eaqual to your hp damage) which is something your character does to him/herself and is very difficult to repair. Once your sanity reachs zero thats it you have become an Alice (what will happen from this will depend on if the dream looks favorably on you) and your only hope is that your party members succeed in killing the dream.

This video has English subtitles in the song that provide a much clearer and what seems to be a more precise translation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6MltGHO-lE&feature=related
Artwork is well-done too and is animated at points.

>>4238491
Not to mention the song itself is also cleaned up so the Vocaloids sound as if they are actual singers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptzb_s83jdU&feature=related

Youtube saves vs lost flash.
natural 20.

So, I'm going to put this in my normal D&D campaign as a side quest thusly:

They are sent to what they've been told is a dungeon, hidden in a garden deep in the woods. The garden turns out to be wonderland, where the sun is always setting, the flowers are always in bloom, everyone is always friendly, and everything the characters ever wanted is waiting for them: the wizard finds a vast library, the paladin finds an order of knights that fight against the very same injustices, the rogue finds more oblivious wealthy men than she could ever imagine.

There are a few distinct oddities: while there appears to be no crime, there is a prison, which no one is allowed to go near. There is a statue in the center of town of a musician, with flowers all around its base, and the residents still look at it longingly. And finally, there is a queen who is stunningly beautiful, always smiling, but still manages to come off as very hostile.

>>4238673
Continue.

>>4238673

When the party asks to leave, they are discouraged and entreated to stay. The more vehement the party gets, the more insistent the residents get (except the queen). If they go back to where they entered, they will find no passage back. The only way they may leave is if they get their hands on the macguffin that they came for in the first place: the queen's scepter.

Now what's going on here, and what does it have to do with the linked video? The first Alice was a fighter clad in red. She cut a swathe 'cross the countryside slaying monsters to her heart's content. But there was no content in her heart. She continued to battle harder and larger enemies, ones that threatened to tear wonderland apart. Her battles frequently ravaged the towns and cities, and occasionally even wore at the fabric of this little dimension. Wonderland could abide her no longer, and locked her away in the prison, alive and alone forever.

Then there was the rest of her party, the Blue Bard and the Green Rogue. The Bard sang beautiful songs that brought merriment to all of wonderland's creatures and brought him any service desired (and he desired many services). The Rogue too charmed the hearts of wonderland, with her beauty and beguiling tongue, but while the Bard saw his popularity as a means to an end, the Rogue's sole desire was to be the most popular, the center of attention, the object of desire. Though wonderland loved her too, she grew jealous and killed him. Straight between the eyes with a crossbow bolt.

>>4238812
But what about the twins? ;-;

>>4238812

So, to get the neutral ending, the Yellow party (the PCs) must destroy the original Alice party. The Red Fighter rages in her prison, and has thirsted for blood for centuries. The Blue Bard does not rest in peace, and if the party calls him out, his casket will rise to fight him, screaming dirges of destruction until they break through his coffin and destroy his undead form. Finally, the Green Rogue will fight alongside her guard, using not only her stealth and sniping, but supernatural mind control. With all three dead, the citizens of wonderland will rush to the party in an attempt to detain them, but the party now has the macguffin to get them out of here. Thus earning the neutral ending: they escape wonderland, but dream (sweet dreams) of it every night.

Bad end: besides the obvious death or staying forever, if the party escapes without killing one or all of the Alices, they will have nightmares every night of those still trapped there.

Good end: kill the dream permanently. The smiling sun has always been in the same place in the sky the whole time. If the party continually walks in that direction, they will reach the top of the mountain range and hit the skybox, but upon seeing the sun up close, they'll realize it is the heart of this dream. There will be enemies along the way, to be sure, and the sun/heart will launch all sort of attacks itself, but once they have defeated it, the sun/heart will coalesce into a gem the size of your hand. This may either be destroyed or wielded as a sentient artifact.

>>4238491

German version is superior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPz9Zu0yrA

>>4238982
What happens if you wield the sun?

I still think the Red Queen should be a human shaped mass of blood coloured thorns. Once the party beats her, the thorns should fall away, revealing the shredded body of the Queen.

The suit of thorns gave her monstrous power and sustained her life in exchange for tearing her body and mind apart. Now that they've destroyed it, she dies with a smile on her face, glad that the agony has finally ended.

>>4241768

Awesome things. +[Concordance] to Bluff and Intimidate, +[Concordance] to all powers and rituals with the Illusion keyword, and as long as you're on its good side, a daily power to move any sleeping creature into the demiplane inside the Dreamheart. Charisma vs. Will, and the target stays in the Dreamheart for a number of days equal to the difference from your Charisma check to his Will (with a critical meaning the target is permanently inside the Dreamheart). If you're on its bad side, there is a 10% chance every night that you sleep that a random monster (of level = [character level] - 3 + 1d6) will appear in the room with you and attack the party.

Starting score 5 (normal).
Owner gains a level: +1d10
Owner uses a power with the Illusion keyword (1/day) +2
Owner succeeds on a Bluff check (1/day) +1
Owner goes a day without lying to anyone -1
Owner speaks against someone's idealism (1/day) -2

>>4240709
gonna have to disagree, while the flavor fits, as always with singing translation, the tone does not, and in a situation where the song is trying to be edgey and creepy, thats rather important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREfivRNHPs
while this one has probably the worst AMV, it has the best vocals for the song

good thread /tg/ i'm proud of you.

shameless bump

What kind of stupid faggot japs would make a song about Alice in Wonderland and leave out the Cheshire Cat?

ITT
OP desperately bumping his own thread

How is this still going? it's been two days

hell, it's been two days SINCE IT WAS ARCHIVED!

>>4243188
because its too good to die.
>>4242596
I think it should also actively try to destroy the sanity of the wielder. Something like will save when using daily power, and another one, much harder, when going to sleep.

>>4243174
The Cheshire Cat's there.

>>4243255
I've watched like 50 of these fucking things, there is no Cheshire Cat in any of them. Unless you think that little smiling stick figure is the Cheshire Cat, which would be stupid since it's not a cat.

>>4243264
Yup the dream is Cheshire Cat

So that has to be a cat yet Caterpillar can be Miku?

>>4243269
>Yup the dream is Cheshire Cat

What a fucking cop-out.

Let's not forget about Chessie, the hottest interpritation of the Cheshire Cat

>>4243294
SAUCE

I prefer to think of the Cheshire Cat as a being that has adapted perfectly to its new environment of madness rather than being the dream itself.

It says "We're all mad here." not "Look at you Alice, a pathetic creature of meat and bone..." etc.

>>4243306
Alice in Sexland.

Useless Trivia: Lewis wrote a lot of the locales in the book based on his experience of parks in Sunderland.

Have a caterpillar.

>>4243306
Alice in Sexland.

>>4243306

Alice in Sexland. A two volume H-Manga, but it has a decent plot and is somewhat true to the original, despite being, well, what it is.

Well, fuck it, my take on it.

There is a single Wonderland, but potentially infinite "instances" of it. Those instances have the same "base" characters (Mad Hatter, March Hare, Queen of Hearts etc.) each representing aspects of human mentality, plus groups of "adventurers" physically or mentally close to each other. All such adventurers ("Alices", perhaps. ) are either insane or dying in the real world, the Wonderland being the last escape of the sane mind against being lost in madness or death. It is possible to travel between seperate instances of the Wonderland using mental links, as most humans are connected in one way or another.

Once a person is there, there exists two possibilities. He can turn into a permanent part of the dream, losing bits of his personality as a prominent characteristic takes over, as with our unfortunate group (the red one got taken over by bloodlust, green by the desire to be liked. ) As such, a new Alice could face his long-dead love in the Wonderland, with a charming face but a personality twisted beyond recognition by the dream. Though, not all such ex-Alices are unpleasant, just as how Wonderland denizens can be pleasant.

The other is not giving in to the dream and successfully escaping while fighting former Alices and more bloodthirsty or just plain insane of the denizens, perhaps in a way described in >>4238982 . Then the character in question makes a miraculous recovery and wakes up, his adventures nothing more than a bizarre, blurry dream, though his tales will still be told in his instance of the Wonderland.

>>4243376
I like this.

Alice in Sexland is one of the greatest adaptations ever made from a classic novel.

>>4243400

>>4243341
>>4243321
>>4243320


Holy shit this is the most fappable h-manga i've ever seen, Chessie is pure sex

Alice in Sexland.

Baby's first futa manga.

>>4243294
>>4243306
>>4243320
>>4243321
>>4243341

umm... guys? its /tg not /h

>>4243426

Personally, I'd recommend the Silky Whip, Secret Plot and Slut Girl series over that.
I mean Alice in Sexland is decent and all, it's just those are probably better.

It's been a while since I read them though, so that could be the nostalgia talking.

Also, since it's /tg/ related, might I suggest that anyone who HASN'T read Spunky Knight do so at their earliest convenience?

>>4243473
True enough, it's /d/.

>>4243400
It's not THAT great, all things considered. The ending is what really sets it apart.

>>4243473
silly newfag

>>4243313

Thanks for the epiphany, I'm throwing purple striped displacer beasts guarding the Dreamheart into my D&D wonderland from >>4238812 and >>4238982.

We should also host campaigns in sexland


by ourselves

in the dark

With Ky

>>4243536
Well ideally it would be a single entity capable of duplicating itself but that works too I guess.

>>4243550

Im doing that all the time

With stockings

And dildos

This is deliciously insane

>>4243550
DnD 3.5 with BoEF rules in effect. You're done.

>>4243550
>With Ky

?

>>4243824

I'd have sexland parties with Ky, if you know what I mean

some alice images