cool idea, no idea to help but i'd play

>>4063921
Thanks for semi support. Here is to hoping some of the fa/tg/uys form last night find this thread.

Is this another of your failed abominations of homebrew?

>>4064006
Failed? No idea yet, its not finished. Abomination? That's the idea.

So it's SUPPOSED to be stupid? Yeah I sure do want to play that.

>>4063701

I dunno..Evolution might be a little hard for people to get their head around. Maybe like...Intelligent AI and the escape from human control and all that might work better for the mechanics....

>>4064066
Just as stupid as any other roleplaying game out there. I have seen worse ideas actually be put into print.

>>4064290
If we could some how set up a PnP version of Evo's evolution system that would be awesome. But I doubt we will so here is to hoping...

Does no one want play as this fabulous creature?

I'd wait for nighttime /tg/, OP. The underage b&s' bedtime is close by. I'd help but I'm in a different timezone and need to sleep now.
Good luck.

>>4064645
Yeah, we had better luck last night. Thanks for the idea.

>>4064440
Actually, didn't the palladium TMNT books have a system similar to that? It might not be perfect, but it could make a good reference for homebrewers.

>>4064728
You intrigue me by your words...Go on.

>>4064622

>>4064874
Yes my eloquen/tg/entleman that dream can be yours....Sorta.

>>4064853

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_&_Other_Strangeness

The basis of the system is that all creatures have a latent about of "BIO-E" based on their size and abilities, that can be exchanged for features such as having opposable thumbs, or being bi-pedal. Unfortunately, the system was heavily biased towards using large animals, and scaling down.

Also, you could only mutate between the base creature, and a humanoid. At least, as far as I can remember. It's been a while.

>>4064937
Hmm it sounds like something that could be beneficial to look at. Not exactly but sorta close. Hmm not to look deeper. If anyone has more in depth knowledge about it feel free to share.

bump

>>4065342
You are a good person to keep this alive till later tonight. Thank you.

>>4064937
The game is up on /rs/.
>>>/rs/other+strangeness
The bio-e setup is more oriented towards becoming more human though.

>>4065596
just make sure this fucker is AWESOME and that it get archived. they haven't finished wiring the net cables in the new college building. I like this and when it's done I want to play a hypersonic insect

farsighted ally "oh look an enemy"
me: "on it" buzzes off at 2.5MACH

>>4064937
There's a strong bias towards mutating towards human, yes, but there's also some psionic abilities. However, it was also possible to simply be a larger version of the animal you started as.

Also, the most 'unbalanced' animal in the game from a Bio-E standpoint wasn't a large animal. It was the turtle. Fitting, I guess. There are guidelines on creating your own species. You can take a look and realize that they broke their own rules in a few instances. Elephant and Turtle are both possessed of excessive Bio-E.

>>4065657
..I love creative people like you. I for one will try and make it as interesting/fun as possible.

>>4065776
I'm not hardly all that creative,

fast attack? disgustingly basic.

my DM, now that fucker is creative

>>4065659
I forgot about the psionics, despite having posted the terror bears picture about a month ago.
What I remember was you could either use bio-e for natural abilities of the animal (Bear Claws, for example) or to make it more human like.

Op, another Bio-E based game to look at would be After the Bomb.

Hmm I am working on something but I am not sure how to put it. The main difference between Carnivores, Herbivores, Omnivores and Photosynthetics.

Other than how they feed how should they be different? Inherit discounts on certain limbs, function or abilities? I am working on something I call Appetite, basically how much they would have to consume to stay stable. This should also be based on their size. Should I toss it out? Or use it as a way to regain HP?

I am not sure how to incorporate body style into the game at all...Should it be more of a 'higher' grade body enhancement or a starting choice?

Just some thoughts.

>>4066004
carnivores get a slight discount on offensive limbs

herbivores get discounts on motive abilities

photosynthetics don't need to eat but get no bonuses.

omnivores get lighter discounts to both offensive and motive appendages

>>4066166
Herbivores should get a discount on defensive evolutions as well.

How many leather-skinned or horned carnivores are there on earth, after all?

>>4066166
I was thinking something similar. Carni's get discount on Combat but have to eat more. Herbi's have to eat less and get a bonus to either sensory or motive that could work. Photo's I was thinking could only eat during daylight hours but they might have higher regenerative powers during so or some such or discount on 'paranormal' abilities. Omni's I was thinking a discount on Utility limbs like limbs for fine manipulation of the environment and the like and they have to eat the middle ground amount between Herbi and Carni. Of course that would also depend on your body size.

If we go with your idea we would have to have some sort of draw back for each, especially omni. Unless of course the discounts are less than those of the Carni and herbi.

>>4066198
true

but then armor could be discounted to photosynthetics because no matter how tough your skin is wood tends to be more protective

inb4 rhino

Are we going to use stats at all or just dice based on limb abilitiy?

I think you should divide organisms into Autotrophs and Heterotrophs.

Autotrops can become Photosynthetic or Chemosynthetic, and Heterotrophs can become Carnivora or Omnivora (Herbevora are generally first or second level consumers, i.e. not fit to be the king of the planet's ecosystem).

>>4066263
>(Herbevora are generally first or second level consumers, i.e. not fit to be the king of the planet's ecosystem).

Oh I see, we have a HUMANIST here.

>>4066230
>photosynthetics
This is beginning to sound like Gamma World.

>>4066297
what is "gamma world"?

>>4066294

It's just common sense, buddy. If you are eating plants, you probably don't have much in the way of being aggressive.

>>4066316
horns? on EVERYTHING?

hooves?

boxing kangaroos?

or cassowaries?

lern2high school biology

ITT: Biology: They Classifying

>>4066349
yeah pretty much.

>>4066308
It's a scifi post-apocalyptic rpg that's been around for ages.
>>>/rs/gamma+world
Mutant future is pretty much a rewrite of 1/2e with some missing mutations, and renamed attributes.
http://www.goblinoidgames.com/mutantfuture.htm

The reference was to being able to play a plant.

>>4066316
You really think you're in control, multicellular organism with strange appendices? Think you're the "king of the planet's ecosystem?"

Think again.

Ooooookay. Before we get into herbivore debating. What is the setting? Is it the Sci Fi alien controlled bio-thing explorers? Are the PCs bio-experiments that escape on then go try and adapted to life where they are? Maybe its some sort of jungle or desert or urban setting. I think when we figure that out then we can figure out what we need to classify

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3137124/

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3138463/

someone take a look at these. I remember them well and I think they might help a bit.

>>4066383

Those aren't herbivores.

>>4066411

I call for a Gladiator-esque planet of the warrior organisms.

>>4066383
Most bacteria can only survive in temperatures of 60-100 degrees. Also, you're at the bottom of the food chain, being eaten by fucking krill and plankton. To kill most multicellular lifeforms, it takes millions of you and then most of them die with the lifeform anyway.

>>4066422
Sorry man, we've had to cope with a lot of tough shit lately. It's just that we get extremely pissed off whenever someone might be racist towards bacteria, and we have a rough 4 billion year nightshift behind us. Please accept our sincerest apology.

>>4066439
But then why would the PCs work together if only one of them will win in the end? Or hand wavium BECAUSE I SAID SO?

>>4066455
You forgot that bacteria have been on Earth for over 4,000,000,000 years. They're the highest form of evolution, because they're so effective, and if mankind were to be blown to bits due to a nuclear war or some other catastrphy, bacteria would stay alive.

>>4066411
Lets just go with a general Scifi theme. Created in a vat, ect ect now they are out in the world.

>>4066563
I like that, creations made by a mad scientist. Like a hydra virus. A basic creature that can survive (like a large amoeba) with a mutation organ. Essentially something that will mutate the creature spontaneously, by randomly changing the creature's DNA at intervals.

>>4066486
Most things that would wipe out all of humanity would also sterilize the planet. Bacteria cannot survive radiation, and most (99.999%) require a warm body, a moist environment, or at the very least decaying matter.

Meteor strikes the planet? All bacteria dies. We bake the planet? All bacteria dies. We lose the atmosphere? All bacteria dies. Nuclear winter? All bacteria dies.

Not that we'd be much better off without bacteria. Without them, you'd only digest about 67% of your food at your current efficiency level. You'd need to eat 30% more food just to maintain your body weight. If the food requirements of America were to suddenly increase 30%, we'd probably start killing and eating each other before we could find a proper food source, and the chemicals that bacteria normally break down would mean more carcinogens in our systems.

Also, yogurt and saurkraut would both be impossible to make.

>Meteor strikes the planet?
Underground bacteria survive.
>We bake the planet?
Underground bacteria survive.
>We lose the atmosphere?
Anaerobic bacteria survive.
>Nuclear winter?
Most of bacteria survive.

>Bacteria cannot survive radiation
This is just plain wrong. Some bacteria even use radiation as an energy source.

You need to get back to biology class.

>>4066835
^that my good sir, is correct.^

This all looks really awesome, keep up the good fight! On the topic of TMNT and Strangeness, I have the pdf's and noticed the size/weight tables, thought they might be useful as a starting point for categorizing the size of character (perhaps a tie in to food required?) Pic is them.

BIO-E: amount of bio-e points needed to get this level from level 1 (or gained if dropping to level one)
I.Q: IQ, duh (measured on a 10=average scale)
P.S: Physical Strength
P.E: Physical Endurance
Spd: speed
SDC: treat like HP (level 1 human has 4D6 hp)

I think a google docs would be beneficial to this project, instead of referring to an ever expanding list of archives (no offense).

I think this is getting too complicated.

Jellyfish: 3 HP, 1d3 damage

Original Jaws: 1d6 damage
Kuraselache's Jaws; 2d6+1
Zinichthy's Jaws: 2d6+4

Spiraled Horn: 2d4+1 damage; breaks on a 6+
Angler's Horn: Attracts all non-aggressive creatures
Swordfish Horn: 1d6 damage; unbreakable; jaws act as Original Jaws

Slick Body: No damage resistance, no movement drag
Scaly Body: -2 damage; -2 movement
Shell Body: -4 damage; -6 movement
Larger Body: +3 HP, 1 less damage resistance

Original Fin: +1 movement
Coelafish Fin: +2 movement
Tackle Fin: +3 movement
Original Dorsal Fin: +4 movement; +1 HP
Sailing Dorsal Fin: +5 movement; +2 HP
Kuraselache's Fin: +6 movement; +4 HP

Original Tail: +0 movement
Coelafish Tail: +1 movement, +1 HP
Teratisin's Tail: +2 movement, +2 HP
Zinichthy's Tail: +3 movement, +3 HP
Kuraselache's Tail: +5 movement, +4 HP

>>4067482

FUCK YES E.V.O.

I think a simple system with some features granting bonuses and penalties would work better than something with a lot of percentages and other tables.

Stats should be Attack Power, Hit Points, Damage Resistance, and Movement.

I suppose those fish body parts should grant some attack power bonuses, since you can ram things.

Yaaaay the thread is still alive.>

>4067570
While I agree that simple is good over simplicity can get monotonous.

>>4066644
So we are in agreement. Scifi base with experimental origins? Excellent. It is going to be a point buy system. Forgoing stats? Or are we are going to just have all dice rolled depending on what limb/body part is used in it. Flying=Wings, jumping=legs, biting=jaws/fangs or what have you. That deal?

Once we figure that out then we van get into the real crunch of it all.

>>4067436
Hmm interesting. I kinda like it. But having something like that sorta defeats the purpose of having a few size categories. Unless we divide it into several levels of size within each category.

You guys are playing Spore.

>>4067737
Eh sorta? It similar in the evolutionary aspects but the setting/story isn't nearly as similar.

I'd prefer a game where you can't directly mutate your creature, but instead alter the environment it's living in to adapt it into what you want. Then switch the environment so the enemy is at a weakness to your creature and becomes extinct before it adapts.

Instead of EVO/Spore: the game.

>>4067747
>You buy a pair of legs, and then are able to buy a diffrent pair and add upgrades to them as you wish and eventually better legs all together?

THis is ripped straight from spore.

>>4067793
Whoops, forgot 'Back Of The Head'.

>>4067776
Yeah, this isn't exactly evolution, just some sort of pick'n'mix creature building.

That's it. I'm sick of all this "walking Homo Sapiens" bullshit that's going on in evolution. Bacteria deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself grew a cell nucleus at the bottom of the sea in 1,400,000 years (that's about 1.4k millenia) and have been practicing with it for almost a billion years now. I can even securely hold DNA in my cell nucleus.

Bacteria spend ages evolving and duplicate up to a trillion times to produce the finest life forms known on Earth.

Bacteria are thrice as hard as animals and thrice as survivable for that matter too. Anything a Vertebrate can pull through, a Bacterium can pull through better. I'm pretty sure Bacteria could easily infect Rhombozoa residing in a Cephalopod's rectum with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why Ordovician Pterosaurs never bothered conquering the digestive tracks of mammals? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Bacteria and their neurotoxic proteins of destruction. Even during the Pleistocene epoch, Homo Erectus targeted the Bacteria first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Bacteria are simply the best biological organisms that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in evolution. Here is the stat block I propose for Bacteria:

DNA or RNA-based life form; can withstand heat from 50 Kelvin to 550 Kelvin; mutagenic resistance 98.7%; can spit sulphuric acid.

Now that seems a lot more representative of the effectiveness of Bacteria in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Bacteria need to do be better in evolution, see my new stat block.

>>4067854
>Ever wonder why Ordovician Pterosaurs never bothered conquering the digestive tracks of mammals?

ANAL RAPE BY PTEROSAURS

>>4067776
Looking a little Ellimist there.

>>4067795

The idea is that you are a being that can mutate at a rapid rate. Mutating your legs so that you have a more specialized set of skills. So you have leg type A and you want leg type B so you mutate into leg type B. Yes I agree that is has some similarities to Spore in the evolve/mutate part.

But it is going to be designed to be a roleplaying game. The setting would be something similar to what was described already. You were made by some sort of scientist or research facility for some ungoldy reason.

You were made not born. You are warm and you are wet. The liquid in your artificial womb keeps you in a constant bath of nutrients. You can feel the burn of change in you. The spark to become almost anything. And you know you are not alone.

Or we could take it in the vein of the alien controller idea.

You are an advanced scout looking at a planet that your species wishes to colonize. You send down a creature that can mutate rapidly and explore the local flora and fauna while being controlled by you either via orbit or from some station on the planet.

I personally like the first a bit more. It provides more chances for roleplaying in my opinion. You eventually get sent to do some tests. there are others of your kind. you escape some how. Either some sort of coup is staged by a rival organization, or the facility is shut down and you are left to rot there. You are alive, aware and confused. Or if you want to take it farther into the time line, you were a rejected experiment of some kind, or you have been free and living out in the environment in which the research facility was, desert, frozen tundra, jungle what have you and you some how sense another of your kind ect ect.

While the two ideas have similarities they are not the same by far.

>>4067854
>can spit sulphuric acid.

From?

So we have how things will be decided. Opposed rolls. Either against another creature or a set amount.
Depending on the limb or ability being used it is a different die.

To jump a cliff you would roll your leg dice for strong legs maybe 2d6 for weaker legs 1d4.

Or should we do a dice pool? This leg is worth 4d10's and you need so many success to cross the gap? Or you need to reach a set number and depending on the leg you get so many of a dice.

Depending on how we do it combat could be easier.

We also have to figure out damage after we confirm hits.

The system itself will be point buy. The first thing to make a creature would to be its size. We have small medium and large.

After that we have its diet. Carnivore, Herbivore, Omnivore, or Photosythetic.

After that we may or may not have a body style. I vote for. Just to make thing easier. But make it simple. Bipedal, quadruped, avian, serpentine, and maybe aquatic.

Then we should devise how Appetite works. Obviously the larger the creature the more it has to eat. But also the diet also comes into play. Carnies must eat the most, then Omnies, then Herbies and Photos can only make food during the day but are constantly making it.

We could even scrape the appetite and jsut use it as a means to regain HP. Speaking of which.

How are we going to figure HP? Choose a body size, type and an actual frame? Or have a set of bodies, like Large Quadruped (Herbivore) and it would be worth so many dice? Or depending on the body, all associated limbs attached, abilities and there after should the total HP be settled?

I think I talked in circles there for a while...but any impute would be nice.

has this been archived yet? I need to hit the sack.

I wish to be the Physarum polycephalum.