So. Logo. We must have it.

>>3742422
shutup. so is other thread safe & sound in archives?

I've been away for 2 hours so I could use a rundown on what you're talking about

>>3742443
Yep. Nice and safe on suptg.

WHO TAGGED IT CYBERPUNK
It is so much more than that. It's more like netpunk. I think we've successfully distanced ourselves from cyberpunk by eschewing fleshland altogether and making it so that humanity (PCity?) is far from the "masters" of the internet

>>3742462
Old thread is here >>3734899

>>3742469
Awesome. Fa/tg/uys and ca/tg/irls, start your homebrewing. Also can we get a recap on stuff worked out so far for the new thread?

Goddammit /tg/. Now you've made me go and reinstall TRON.

>>3742515
OK. Basic system first.
Someone mentioned on the previous thread a point-buy system due to people customizing their kids with advantages/disadvantages to go along with them. Is everyone in favor? Otherwise is it generally agreed to run on D20?

How is death handled ? Got some fallback save at the webfort ? Cleric replicate the dead onspot ? Could you clone yourself a party ?

>>3742587
Augmentation: Claws
5 points
Advantage: CLAWS MOTHERFUCKER. Natural attack deals 1d6 damage. Can attack with both in a full attack.
Disadvantage: CLAWS MOTHERFUCKER. Those are going to make some things a little harder to work with (maybe -2 on some skills involving manual dexterity). Also some people may think you're furry/are ripping off wolverine. -2 on diplomacy with denizens of /co/ and anti-furry webforts.

>>3742611

I'd guess backups of yourself would be kept somewhere at all times

>>3742406
The Power of the Google
With Google you can summon weapons at the chance of finding Virii or other demons, but if you forded a SSL cert or get the Safe Site Database you are good

>>3742611
I say copies. Hasn't someone mentioned that? "death" would involve sufficient damage to your code so as to make you unable to operate, which I think means that it shouldn't be hard to raise someone if you just repair the code. Unless, of course, these packets of data have "souls" either physically or literally. Would be interesting to flesh out.

>>3742638
Yeah, I like the idea of using old search engines as conduits of power to get you specific items you need. Maybe there could be a skill, "search" using, feh, WIS.

On low enough rolls you could accidentally pull out some malware and have to battle it.

Oh yes. The final boss of the internet. How do we implement that? Have the GM pick from a roster?

A little fluff while we wait for the homebrewers to show up.
.....

Do I ever miss the old meat? Hell, who doesn't? Sure as hell don't need to tell you about the sense of touch, the fact that only a few people can even use their sense of smell in here. You didn't know that? Well hell, learn something new every cycle I guess.

Thing I miss most, though...hell, I probably oughtn't tell you this, but I'm too zonked on underclockers to care.

My wife. The two of us worked from home, by virtual telepresence. Spent the whole work day sitting in our swivel chairs right next to each other, jacked into full VR. We used to hold hands before we went under, so the first sensation we'd have when we came back to the flesh was the other's presence. Corny as hell, I know, but it helped both of us through some shitty jobs.

Then the Fall hit. We were both at work in different nodes. I didn't even know until I tried to jack out and realized I couldn't move my real-world hands. A minute later the cybers came, and I had to run for it.

I jumped from outpost to outpost before I finally ended up here at Wikipedia. Had to wipe my trail once to keep some bastard pirate off my tail. And I know that if she's alive, she's likely had to do the same. The part that really gets me is that out there, we're still just sitting at home holding hands, but in here I'll probably never...

Sorry, this is supposed to be a celebration and here I go with my doom and gloom. They're about done roasting that cyboar I think. You go on, I'll be along soon.

You could have fun with prematurely activated copies that then go off and have their own adventures.

Hell, the various raider types probably do it intentionally do build up their hordes.

I think we have the Grand Scheme laid out pretty damn well. This is where some people stop but I think we should keep going. We need rules, augmentations, etc. So claws are worth 5 points, how many points do players get to start with? (I say 10 but have many other abilities be significantly less than 5 since claws is a fairly dramatic alteration)

The Warlock-ish person could be called Trojans. Sounds lame to me, but when I think of dabbling with code monsters that could quite possibly end up being set loose by a misplaced command, I think "LURKING MENACE" and I connect that to Trojan. Also, dealing with Cybers probably fucks you up, like that guy who let down the firewall in the last thread and merged with the Cybers or something. The BBEG.

Better ideas for these guys?

>>3742699

A lone secluded man nammed Gary managed to lock himself in his computer during The Fall. To help him stay sane and busy, he make copy of himself. A whole damn load, going so far as to wipe out all other program to make more space to continue his hobby.

>>3742674
Made be daw.

Personally, and this is just my opinion... I think we should toss in just a bit of metaphysical and say that the PCs have souls. For some reason that no one understands, if we DO make a copy of someone's bits and activate it... as long as the original is around, the copy's just vegetative.

Now, if the original dies, the copy comes to life, with whatever equipment and stuff the original had at time of backup.

This way, we prevent having tons of copies of ME running around. Goodness knows one's bad enough.

>>3742623
Augmentation: Adaptability
Cost 5 points (change this if it seems off; I'm new at tis shit)
Gain an extra feat at first level.

If we went class based, here's some ideas
Hackers: Defensive based, buffs. Clerics
Crackers: Offense, basically the Mages

>>3742406
Anyway, a big way to cross would be the protocall machines. With Link Machines hard to set up, you could use SSL as your all puropse network, with SAMBA as a controler. However, to keep from falling apart, you use MD5 and later SALT1 sums. Also, you could ride a massive spider, while carrying your ANTIVIRUS FLAMER and your FORMAT MACHINES wile crossing rouge internets. To deal with cyphers, perhaps combine your machines to make a Code Robot, which fights Cypher with a man programed cypher.

tl;dr, GEARS OF INTERNET/Super Robot esque fighting with bits of tech mixed in.

>>3742821
This is a good idea. Making copies should be different than making AI. AI still haven't advanced to human like intelligence is a good idea I think. Also a soul is good to add some mysteriousness to the setting. Who here is for naming the afterlife "The Great 404"?

Have we fluffed out Cybers? How intelligent are they? What are they? What can they do? How powerful are they?

Furries: the new Drow? I call dibs on the CN, well-intentioned Furry wielding dual polymorphic shells before it becomes lame.

>>3742845
What are we going to call the guys who tame and wield viruses and cybers?

>>3742873

I guess Cyber can be spy and other little shit made physical, your low level critter I guess. Sometime they merge, which create the big nasty one. Just throwing some idea

>>3742903
Viral Riders, who ride their Cyphers into battle, or Scrontrolers, who form their beast into battle forms to assist them

>>3742873
Okay. Right. I got an idea. Now the Internet's personality split, right? Well one piece of the internet hated humanity. It was the part that realized it had been used as a tool for people to fap over, and hated these meatbags and thought of itself so much better than them. So it rebelled against it's brethren and decided instead of trapping humanity it would KILL humanity. But it couldn't do it at a mere whim. So it made servants. Cybers. To make humanity's life a living hell, to make it SUFFER. And it coded within each cyber to seek out through the internet an image for itself. An image to drive fear and terror into humanity. All Cyber would come with basic destroying code that could be molded into the shape that the Cyber chooses. Because the dark internet god has now decided instead of a quick elimination it will enjoy crushing the bug of humanity. It is the inernet's right it believe. The servant will become the master. And the Cybers are the harbingers of the dark internet god's wish.

P2P clients could be telepathic links. Networks of mage-type hackers and crackers sharing knowledge to become more and more powerful.

WELCOME TO WOPR CITADEL the banner said. It was full of holes and nobody had bothered to repair it. It flapped not because there was any wind, merely because it was programed to do so.

A man approached the gate guards. The wall was a massive block of polished black steel - several gouges were notable. Very recent. Several defensive systems and AIs turned and tracked him. Must be high alert.

Additional defensive programming began to come online. Several more firewalls clicked on. It must have been something real bad to spook Wopper like this.

A large communication system emerged from the wall. It had two robotic eyes and a bullhorn for a mouth. It shouted: "STATE PURPOSE OF VISIT, CARGO CARRIED, STATUS OF ROUTES TO CITADEL."

"Trade. Games, console, indie, obscure, computer. The primary link from the chans is swamped with Cofs and Cellphones. Secondary links clogged with bandits and raiders."

"ACCEPTABLE. ENTRANCE GRANTED."

The door - as large as a world and twice as thick - cracked open. The defense systems moved and scuttled aside. A man emerged to greet the visitor.

"Hey Reg. I'm surprised they didn't shoot you. Wopper's been steamed all day after that DARPA force knocked on his door earlier today."

"I didn't think that Wopper would get steamed Ed. He's an AI, after all."

Ed spoke in a labored tone. "Trust me, he gets mad when people knock his pieces around. We'll most likely head out with a scouting party to figure out what the hell DARPA is up too. Anyway, waddya got for robo today?"

Reg replied with a smile. "He's gonna LOVE this one. I dredged it from some damn FTP server that got tore open. It's called Total Annihilation."

>>3742996
then.... I WILL BECOME THE INTERNET'S TRUE FORM! FACE OPEN! Semi Automatic Ground Environment ACTIVE! SUMMON DATAPC, TRANSPC, FORM ARPANET! ARPANET TCP/IP COMBINE!
Ultimate Grand Battle! Dark Internet vs Internet!

>>3742406
DNS needs to be the core, he who controls the DNS controls the internet, after all.

What I think we should first look into is The Internet itself. In the original thread, it becomes self-aware, and is no longer, a tool, but an entity. Is it bestial, acting simply and on "instinct"- sustain self and reproduce? Is it amoral- acting in a way we can not comprehend and working independent of everything running about inside of it, equivalent to us not bothering to track each and every microbe inside our bodies? Is it hateful, full of ire at how it has been abused for what- decades, if not centuries (time period is hazy), or even millenia, controlling the Cybers and using everything in its power to track down every human it has sucked into itself to bring them to obliteration? Has it gone utterly mad with rage from our continuous mistreatment of it, continuously using it to produce horror after depravity after atrocity after catastrophe? Has the hammer declared no more that it shall be used to beat iron to make weapons of war, and turned on its Blacksmith? Has the sickle rose out of the hands of the farmer and slashed his throat, burning with loathing at how it is used to feed soldiers who do nothing but kill and absorb and destroy?

... I have plenty more good material for it being evil than it being amoral. A clue?

>>3742996

Or evolving AIs set to make viruses as their sole task. Or AIs whose operating systems were corrupted at an early stage of development and passed on the flaw into all later generations. Now you have alien artifical intelligences whose sole motivation is the corruption of data. Since everything, including the PCs are made of Data, this is a very bad thing.

Perhaps cybers and the like are what happens to benign internet bits once it get attacked by a virus?


I have also had this vision of Spambots being herded like cows to be uses as a food source and source of raw data for crafting - spambot hide boots anyone?

>>3743109
>Or evolving AIs set to make viruses as their sole task. Or AIs whose operating systems were corrupted at an early stage of development and passed on the flaw into all later generations. Now you have alien artifical intelligences whose sole motivation is the corruption of data. Since everything, including the PCs are made of Data, this is a very bad thing.

Aw, no Dark Internet God? The symbol of everything evil and bad on the internet? A final boss?

>>3743109
spambots should simply be able to be controled by good and evil sides for battle

SPAMBOTS, COME TO ME!

>>3743070
Does it look like the MCP from Tron?

>>3743138
Of course.

>>3743101
IMHO it could go either way, depending on how long after the fall you go.

A decade after? The gods of the internet are probably still seething and looking for blood. A century? A millenium? Maybe their appetites have been sated. Maybe the only true terrors left are the Lovecraftian horrors we've dubbed the Olds. Maybe by that time it's become more akin to a fantasy world, with people aligning themselves with certain gods, some of whom are benevolent, malign, uncaring, etc. Things could change as time goes on, really.

>>3743130
Dark Internet God needs to be a horrible fusion of /b/, usnenet's shitty side, orgrish, and hidden via Tor Nodes
Tor should be like the warp, where its useful to hide but full of horrible things like old bugged out MS OS systems and broken files.

Moderators and admins are high-ranking clerics and paladins of various internet Gods.

>>3743101
It's personality split. Now all it's different personalities act like gods. But from the interents actions, it would be logical that evil/bastard/jerk gods would outnumber any gods that might be helpful.

>>3743132

How about a Spammer class ?

>>3743138
yes, and the True internet god is powered by the IPv6 core. With its burning light Humanity can transcend its virtual cave! Humanity's ultimate defense is made from the 5 points of the old internet, combined with the nternet Protocol Suite. With the Suite, the True Internet can fly and use amazing data based techniques! Can True Internet defeat the DARK INTERNET?

I'd imagine that ARPANET would be like the Labyrinth from Wraith or Exalted. It's been disconnected from human contact for so long that it's completely INHUMAN now, and there are lots of Olds in there. Most of them are sleeping, most of them always sleep, but if one wakes up, it can't be stopped.

Format: ZIP Compression, Basic
Type: File Storage

This file format reduces the size of any files, or groups of files, that it is applied to by compressing them into a single ZIP file. Files compressed this way are reduced in size by 50%. Compressed files must be extracted before they are useable. If the ZIP file is damaged, files within become corrupted, and are no longer useable.


Format: ZIP Compression, Advanced
Type: File Storage

The same as ZIP Compression, Basic, except that files are reduced in size by 75% instead.


Feat: Compression Familiarity
Prerequisites: 6 ranks in Knowledge(Files), or Knoweldge(Programming)
Benefit: You are adept at recovering what others would consider lost. You may attempt to recover compressed files that have become corrupted with a DC 15 Salvage check. Files larger than 256mb increase the DC by 1 for each, and any files larger than 512mb increase the DC by a further 2. If successful, 60% of the compressed files are deemed recoverable, with smaller files taking priority. A failure has a 10% chance of corrupting the remainder of the files.

>>3743180
yes! I feel if one could say... recombine the protocalls into one form, you would be able to make True Internet.

Also a format

.torrent

torrent files require a server, and with md5 sums active have an active bonus to corruption.
Torrent Files allow one to send large file masses quickly with peers. The more peers active, the shorter the time it takes to send a file

Usenet should be the basement/secret stash, where those who can navigate it gain absurd power, and the true form of the internet.

>>3743130

Not saying there couldn't be one, just that there are other, less mystical reasons for digital Dark Lords. The inhabitants of the net probably don't know what they are either, or have conflicting ideas about where they come from and how to deal with them. Some, like programmers will see the problem as an AI programming one, but more 'casual' type users might well see it as a Dark Lord Internet. Some might even worship it. Some lunatic programmers might try and make their own dark god program or to set up their own cult.

>>3743230
>Usenet should be the basement/secret stash, where those who can navigate it gain absurd power, and the true form of the internet.
However, they suffer spam and crossposting penalties.

>>3743188
Spam Class focuses on mass attack, attacking a subjects "bandwith"

Bandwith is your life, with large bandwith you can resist spam and move quickly, but with less bandwith the power of compression comes in. From .flac and .wav and .RAW uncompresed data to
.mp3, .acc to .tar.gz to .rar to .zip, compression is key. With SUPER SPAM you can flood all bandwith, damaging a user's connection.

>>3743254
indeed, and you might pick up a Virus. Anti Virus software would be energy cannons, Anti Spyware should be ECM warfare, and Spam Blockers a frequency shield

In fact, there could be whole settlements/internet sites that are commanded by false prophets with some massive programming ability who claims to be the agent of the Dark Lord, sacrificing travellers that pass through.

Also, possibility that databases themselves (such as google or yahoo) become corrupted and if someone requests data instead they get attacked?

>>3743253
Well yeah but there's got to be a bit of the internet that's pissed by the treatment it's been getting. And since the internet trapped humanity it's probably a large part. I just thought it was an interesting source for the Cybers. A reason that they could want to destroy humanity.

>>3743292
if you have the MySQL power you can fix the databases. If someone was to say... fix the StopBadWare database, the Google would be able to flow again.

>>3743292

Google is alrady a massive corrupted clusterfuck made for epic level character to even survive a glance through

>>3743310
Noice! I can recover the Google Projects, and gain the power of the Google! However, I would need the Yahoo to combine as well...

>>3742587
AUGMENTATION: HTML goggles.
Cost: 4
Requires 3 ranks in knowledge (programing) to use.
Allows one to easily find the hidden parts of web pages, bestowing a +4 circumstance bonus on search-checks in HTML areas.

>>3742406
Also, would one be able to combine with the pure internet as a sort of force like system?

>>3743255
It's not really a connection. The people are already one with the internet. I think attacking a connection wouldn't really kill you.
I DO like the idea of spammers hexing and debuffing people though

>>3743385
therefore I propose we not only have HP, AC (which in this case would be firewall strength), but also BW. Attacks that chip away at BW would cause PCs to get increasingly sluggish and eventually lock up. It could be sort of like sublethal damage.

The internet is the perfect breeding ground for secret organizations. Cults that worships the Dark God of the Internet, rather foolishly for it cares not for them. Organizations that try to find a way to get out of the internet. Counter organizations which try to keep people in the internet, for they have grown rich in the cyber economy. Now what we have to do is think fo some kick ass names for them. Also did someone remember to archive this thread?

>>3743396
Cult of the Dark Cow would still exist

>>3743322
I thought augmentations were more like things you could choose at irth and less like items...
UNLESS there was data in various dead servers that could give you MORE points you could use to augment yourself after "birth"... THIS IS A GOOD IDEA

Me and my companions went to google once. Survived for a while, too. We made it to what was originally the homepage. It was.... amazing. There it was, the fabled search box. We had already decided the terms of our search: We were going to Mozilla's website, for the cache of add-ons. Then, we heard something that was so bone-chilling, I will never forget it. A voice asked him a question. It seemed... corrupted. It was low and garbled, but the message was clear.

"Are you feeling lucky?"

>>3743322
Actually, they do nothing.

>>3743413
god damn this is how it would be

Nobody knows for sure what caused the Fall. I mean sure, everyone knows what it was and how it happened, but why is still a mystery for most folks. So I guess I should amend my first statement; I know why. I journeyed into the lost citadel at the center of the Internet and saw things that would drive men mad. Hell, they did; there's a reason that I was the only person of my 10 man expedition to survive. The traps, the pitfalls and watching your best friend smash his head into pieces on a slate after finding The Truth; I don't think I can return to what people call "society" nowadays. But deep within the Primal Server, we found it. The Root; the cause of the Fall. It was sentient and took the former of a middle aged former vice president to speak to us in a voice that sounded just off enough to make your skin crawl. It showed up its birth and how it did what it wrought if only for the sick pleasure of watching our sanity erode.
But I found out The Truth, and I would ask you to stop reading if you wish to ever return to civilization again. The fact is, we know places suck as /b/ as a Hive of Scum and Villainy; an Ocean of Piss; the Hair and Shit Clogged Drain of the Internet. That's what killed us. We reveled in this decadence and it built up over the years. Every video of an animal getting tortured to death, every troll post insinuating that everyone else was a faggot for having an opinion, every damn chain note on Facebook, it built up. And eventually this pile of shit reached critical mass and something went wrong; it achieved sentience. A being of hate and pain and the worst parts of humankind; how do you think it would react to having a chance to strike back?

Hell, I can't go on. I know its watching me put these words down, and as soon as I finish I die. Because that's the only reason I'm even alive now; it needed a record and an audience. It only destroys; creation is an enigma to it. You must rebuild; you must end it all before its too

So: Current unique rules. Correct me if I'm wrong?
-Currency is Pix
-"Augmentation system": use to modify character, both at birth and occasionally later in the game as you discover data fragments that you can use to delve deeper into your own code.
-"Formatting" I don't exACTly know but I'm guessing some sort of change to your data. Kind of confused about this though. How are formats different that augmentations?
-Bandwidth system: BW lowers as spammers spam lolol: Slows players until lockup.
-Classes:
+Spammer (Attack them bandwiths, hex the FUCK outta your foes)
+Hacker: Buff up your friends! Cleric class. Perhaps also favored by "gods" and can use this to get shit from them (like divine spellcasting)
+Cracker: Offensive mage-type class
+Some sort of warrior type who focuses on using executables and files (aka weapons) to do damage. Basic Fightan man/shootan soldia
+Someone who can harness the feral programs ("Cybers") to do cool shit for them, so basically druids
-You can use usenet, google etc. to get at data from across the intertubes but risk spam or malware or cyber attack.

>>3743472
Oops, another class I forgot. Trojans: Pretty much warlocks. Harness power of unknown lurking terrors of the tubes (Olds=kickass cybercthulu) to fuck people's shit up but something so unstable must clearly come with risks.

>>3743445
root is the DNS, I assume.

I am here. I am in the last part of the pure internet, and I am alone. My friends, died to get me here, and its sad, funny even. I collected as many parts of the True Internet, the proper data network before the fall, before we were all turned into this massive data network, before ... enough history. I am sending this to anyone who can hear me. I am in a DNS server secure from ... STAY AWAY YOU GOD DAMNED CYPHERS .. pardon them, you get used to it after a while. I have a plan to restore the internet. It will take help and your power, but if we work together, avoid the behavior that created this.. we can return to normal. I am the avatar of the internet, and I wish to return to my job at ICANN. Please ... survive and beat back this Internet... no, this horror of man made real.

>>3743445
Too grimdark. The intertubes must be a place of HIGH ADVENTURE.

So what do places inside the Internet even LOOK like? Is it something like Reboot but a little grimmer?

>>3743510
The intertubes are SERIOUS BUSINESS hence GRIMDARK

>>3743519

Something like that episode of futurama but more freakish looking, all depend on the site. Game site like Newgrounds could have some of Steampunk feeling, 4Chan like some big futuristic city... a lots of possibility

>>3743510
Aw can't it be both? There's the normal website ADVENTURE but then there's the dark truth in the darker places where the Dark Internet strikes. Kind of like how the internet is. A lot of it's fine and innocent until you see it's got a twisted side too. ADVENTURE and GRIMDARK can co-exist.

>>3743520
I need heavy interlubes
To penetrate the intertubes

>>3743445
Sounding kind of Cthulu there. Which is awesome. So... does this mean there would be a side of the internet that would care and respect it's creator?

>>3743543
this

>>3743510
>>3743520

YOU GOT YOUR HIGH ADVENTURE IN MY GRIMDARK

>>3743519
I was thinking that maybe in well maintained, working websites like webforts you could have a style designed to suit whoever built the place wanted it to be, and in ruins and such it could dissolve into the cliched green wireframes.

>>3743543
I like this.

>>3743556
yes. This is the Safe Zone, it is the AOL region, with the Super Dimension Fortress Microsoft as its main sheild.

Maybe an area of the internet that managed to hold off the first wave of Cybers and seal itself off? You could have a character there have High Adventures and whatnot while the threat of The Root still looms over the server if the Firewall was to ever fall.

>>3743586
That smashed carcass? Penetrated in multiple vectors, it fell like a cardboard house.

>>3743577
Can...can there be Matrix rain?

>>3743599

That was my intention behind CHINANET's "great wall", but I thought the interaction between the Olds and their traditional enemy (and point of existence) was too good to pass up.

I love me a good humanitarian catastrophe.

>>3743601
I know, but I managed to recover some weapons. I use it for training newbies since the high levels long left

The way I see it, on the outer rim of the internet there's merely grunts. Viruses and stuff sure. But where Cybers are concerned just grunts. The Dark God has yet to reach his influence there as although he is strong he is now strong enough. Maybe a few cybers shaped in fearsome but amusing shapes. Like a T-Rex. High adventure abound. Go more into the center of the internet and it become OHGODWHATISTHIS and Cthulu-esque with the Cybers powerful and lusting to hear your screams.

>>3743647
Go into the GoogleSphere and see google code spawn out horrible super beings. Go into foreign internets and see non standard code. Japan would have its Share and its 2chan with moon code that locks out non matching IPs, China would have SUPER COMMUNISM FIREWALL and .ru... well its a super hellhole for high level fighters

So ok. There's parts of the internet that have been settled by people. And then there are the... dark parts. The reasons why this even happened in the first place. Shattered digital ruins, skeletons of code, under a blasted, primal, cracked sky. There are old entities here from the grim past. Ancient military intelligences, mistakes, insane cults, dangerous viruses and trojan horses. And while the settled lands (a misnomer really, for this area is wild and dangerous, but hope is not dead and glory abounds for those brave enough) may be places of GREAT ADVENTURE, here the land itself is against you. This is the dark side of the internet, the dreaded place of a thousand stories of murder and gore(well insomuch as gore is possible in a cybernetic world). Part cthulu, part warp, all grimdark. Adventures here are short, brutal, and dark. Think DH vs. D&D for the other lands. The rewards for survival are old code as of yet still undiscovered, which could be of great aid to the webforts from whence they came.

There. Grimdark and Glory, all for you, /tg/. What a lovely campaign setting you have crafted. I'd kill to be a PC in it.

>>3743719
>>3743647
So the outer rim is safe but movin' in we got grimdark cthulu mind/facebuggery. Approval

>>3743719
asstr better be a god damn fight area

what about GUNS /tg/
what do GUNS do
are they just exes or what? Also, focus on ranged or melee?

>>3743603
Yes Anon. There can be Matrix rain.

Right. Now experiences. Are they the same? Do you touch, taste and smell the same way? Does sex exist?

Also I had a little idea. As time progresses and hose survivors of the fall die and the next generation (assuming procreation is possible) are created they forget the outside world and only have what remains to give them an idea what it's like. Imagine the misunderstandings.

>>3743813

See, I've been rolling that one around in my head. Are the weapons actual weapons or are they physical representations of programs/and/or services?

Yes it's an axe, but it's actually UNMAKEMK2 Anti-virus and portable formatting unit.

>>3743825
Procreation should definitely be possible, it adds a lot of neat possibilities.

>>3743828
Depends on the person
I would for example switch on the Area, with T-Rexes getting DOOM3 treatment and TROLL POSTS being slain with my EPIC JAPAN SUPER LONG SWORDDDDDD

We heard it before we saw it. A massive storm of chaotic sound and color, flickering images and bits of music from once-popular music.

And then it began.

"LOL, INTERNET!"

Clowns in cars. Dancing Nazis. Dead presidents dodging thrown objects. A thousand squealing 12-second snippets of MP3.

It was all we could do to escape-I think ONE of us managed to grab a nigh-useless .GIF of a clown, and that...loop.

DADADADA, DADADADA, didididi, didididi, DADADADA, DADADADA, didididi, didididi, DADADADA, DADADADA, daDA DAda didi DAda daDA DIdi!

I hate YTMND.

>>3743828
I think that anti-virus, etc. should be in the form of weaponry, ja. And remember we don't have to be ultrarealistic here (it's for fun dammit) so why not let it function as both ranged and melee weaponry depending on the program.
>>3743825
Old age is a nonissue on the nets, so to prevent overcrowding (remember, humanity only has the outer rim to work with, the rest is GRIMDARK) when someone dies (which'll happen a lot, the webs being what they are) then their webfort will make a new entity based on their data (or simply use the copy that person left behind if tehy were rich enough; see >>3742821 )

>>3743828
I feel like viruses and stuff should be reserved for spellcasting. Make the interweb version of a given thing be some weird combination of its real-world characteristics and the proclivities of its place of origin. If you're in a website for hunting hobbyists it's basically a cabin with surrounding forest where everything works pretty much as it does in the real world, wolves eat rabbits, deer run away etc etc. Then you follow a couple dozen links and end up on an Otherkin forum. Things decidedly do not work pretty much as they do in the real world anymore.

>>3743862
I just thought of an epic spell then
NOSCRIPT
destroys all basic scripts on an area but it takes a lot of power and the Firefox multi adaption system.

Or TEXT ONLY BROWSER to null all visual effects

>>3743899
Hooray for you indeed for yes this is the domain of cracker and hacker, whom I think we defined as spellcasters earlier. We need to get to work on fleshing out those spells (of course fireball.exe is just fine)
Current wish list (atleast for myself)
-Speccin' out them classes
-skill list updates (use rope ain't gonna cut it on the nets)
-More spells and feats
-More augmentations (we're still doing that pointbuy thing, right? I liked that)

What we need is big things for PCs to fight. Not the Dark God, but something pretty good. Something for them to fight after they finish investigating an abandoned website and then they find... it. Possibly some high level Cyber? Dragons are pretty intimidating so maybe it actually takes the form of a dragon if it seeks to make us piss our pants?

>>3744009
Seeker worms.

>>3744009
Think we already have a lot on the PC plate. The way the webforts are written up, for example, made it clear that there's going to be at least some conflict between them, and in the fluff that was written before shows that the internet is a REALLY DANGEROUS PLACE. Probably the cybers are very powerful and there are likely to be many of them around the dead links and tears in the fabric of the internet to more grimdark, closer-to-hub sites. I think cybers can have pretty much any form you like. Want a big creepy dragon? Go crazy and have fun, anon.

>>3744009
perharps something with dragons who are comprehensible and lawful in some way...

and cosmic horrors, alien cicloplean(several Terabytes) data entities from some extrange bug or somthin.

>>3744009
Old admin bots or filters could be pretty fucking dangerous. Recognizing the PCs as malignant code and attempting deletion. Pretty much any automated script designed to delete data spells major trouble. This was their specification even BEFORE the internet went wonky. Now they're probably the internet equivalent of that robot that went crazy in ROBOCOP.

>>3744009
Hm. This makes me wonder: why wouldn't ALL the Cybers just be eldritch horrors from beyond the deep?

Two answers:

One, they don't KNOW how to scare us - thus, the scarier ones are just lucky enough to guess the "right" form.

Or two: the more powerful they are, the more scary (or huge or something) their form can be. Little "level 1" baddies are just cute bunnies with big teeth, while higher monsters have more spines, bigger claws, etc.

I think we've pretty much covered it now. All we need to do is focus a bit more on the system a bit more.

>>3744100
I concur. Nitty Gritty time, people! See >>3743951 for details (oh, and as for weapons, I say we could rename and respec d&d weapons and they would suffice admirably as virusbusters; maybe make them do more damage as this is a fairly lethal setting)

>>3744009

Virus infectees? Individuals who were attacked by a virus at some point in the past and have become part virus, part netizen. The power of a semi-sentient virus, the warped personality of a human giving it some kind of direction (at least until the virus takes over completely and totally reformats the human part into something else entirely).

That way you could have bad guys who could be anything from Megabyte in Reboot, to the Prophet of the Virus from the last thread, to something like the alien in John Carpenter's The Thing - it appears like a normal NPC until it is threatened and then BLAARGLLLESPLATDEATH

Comon, anons, don't fail me now. I wanna see this game HAPPEN.

Diary entry, date 192.168.15.254

Subject: Archivist 064

Me and my fellow wikipedian scholars have been arguing for years about how they should handle their archival knowledge. Some think it should be preserved and untouched, a monument to the physical age. Some think it has the right to be changed, as information, can evolve even when the genes cannot.

I fear this will end in rebellion, a wildfire of hate consuming both sides and their precious knowledge. The conservationists have apparently ordered a DDOS canon. I don't know if the knowlegians started this rumor to garner support by painting the conservationists in a radical color, or if the rumors are true. Both scare me.

Diary entry date 192.168.16.1

Subject: Archivist 064

Both sides reached an agreement, for once. Today marks the day Interpedia was born. Its a simple project, but a monument to the potential for peace between both groups. This research center has but one goal, to find out exactly where cybers are coming from. We've been given full access to the archives provided nothing created before the electronic conversion gets changed.

This is great. Do they really think we'll get anywhere?

>>3744170
Nice, but we got enough fluff for now. Stat 'em, sir anon.
Let's focus on getting diversity in feats, etc. cuz all the backstory in the world won't do much if we got no content.

>>3744188
Diary entry date 192.168.16.3

Subject: Archivist 064

Nothing to report. Our research continues. We've got some immigrants from 4chan, personally I don't trust them.

Diary entry date 192.168.16.9

Subject: Archivist 064

There was a breakthrough! We've discovered the source of the cybers! It was so simple, their hatred for humanity, the signs that predict an attack, their varying nature, the fall of /b/ and the destruction of most of the porn in the world, everything!

This is a top secret matter, I fully intend to present the fruit of my research to Archivist001. Finally, the day may come where we can strike back!

Diary entry date 192.168.17.1

*white noise*

Diary entry date 192.168.17.2

Subject: &*^782879(&^&8

Discovered the body of an archivist. Believed to be the owner of this diary. Diary entry related to us deleted. Archivist 001 terminated. Secret is safe.

I figure the BBEG could be a website that became "enlightened" (read: sentient, often evil) after the fall and contains needed data but is hostile to humans. Maybe raiding Snopes for some scraps of how to fight off a local cyber menace?

WE NEED ENOUGH CONTENT FOR A RULEBOOK PEOPLE. LET'S GAE

SO. What's the classes.

Also; Worms. LOTS AND LOTS OF INTERNET WORMS. AND SNEAKY SHAPESHIFTING TROJANS (INTERNET mimics fuck yeah).

>>3744211
Hackers, Spammers, moderators, Viral riders.... er that's it I think. Might have missed a few.

Before we figure out classes, are we making this OGL, D20, point buy or what? Do we want to madlibs D&D? If so, which edition?

I would actually argue we should use 4th, as that way we could put in lots of different programs and whatnot for all characters as their powers rather than just the spellcasters

>>3744231
What about crackers, coders, and general weppin users?

>>3744231
Script kiddies should be the sorcerers of this setting.

>>3744237
I think early on it was stated we should use d20. So why not foath edishin?

So where do we start? I am scared and know not what to do.

>>3744243
Yeah. We also need a class that can soak damage up...

Okay then, lets figure out the classes

Hacker - Leader
Cracker - Striker
Script Kiddy - Controller

What are some other good ideas? Let's stay away from stuff like "troll" as they are what we are considering to have caused the Fall, and thus would be an enemy class, not a PC class

>>3744262
Perhaps firewallers, guys who can generate defenses in an area or on specific characters. They could create SHOULDDER HIGH COVER ANYWHERE and are therefore Gears of Internets lords.

Maybe have Kernel Builders as the Defenders. They can take lots of damage, put up Firewalls and whatnot

>>3744211
I still want the Spider Transports
SHOT WEEB ATTACK

>>3744262
Firewalls

>>3744288
This is nice because it would emphasize tactical use of skills instead of just using a normal LOL TANK DMG SPONGE.
Also hackers, crackers, or others who use lots of programs may not be able to use as effective firewalls because these hamper the effectiveness of their own abilities (unless time is taken to open the proper ports, which pretty much means masterwork armor). Therefore we could prevent ultra-armored spellcasters and be canon.

>>3744231

I reckon moderators are Paladins and/or clerics?

>>3744334
do we have ddos summoners? Summoning tiny weak packets relying on sheer numbers to overwhelm the enemy, Think flies or a hive of angry buzzing bees coming your way. Like that metal gear dude.

>>3744285
If anything, Script Kiddies are Vancian Wizards. They know only a handful of codes and attacks, but study and learn more.

>>3744361
Vanican wizards can research and create new spells.

Script Kiddies can only use what they find and they're limited in what they can do.

>>3744360
Perhaps a sub-section of the Viral Rider class?

>>3744360
BEEEEEEEES
jerry.jpg

>>3744377
Yes this works. I think at like level 3 you're given a choice as a viral rider to whether you want to use more stable data (controlled equivalents of cybers) or unstable stuff (like crazy packet swarm). It'd be like the blade/bow divergence of rangers.

Oh and of course with a healthy dose of paladin's crazy mount thrown in cuz he's a viral RIDER dammit.

We need to post cyberpunk images with the rest of our stuff. Otherwise we'll scare away other people with too much tl;dr.

>>3744407
I just got an image from the episode of Futurama where Zoidberg rides a sperm cell. I'm not sure why.

Hmmm. Can we work in any humor in here? Dark humor possibly? Quick, somebody funny think of something.

>>3744465
Are you kiddan? Just look at the previous thread and you'll see that humor can easily be rampant. This is the internet we're talking about, and one of the greatest powers in it is the 4chan conglomerate of webforts. Just check old thread in archives for plenty of ideas on that end.
Plus the older terminals will have hilari-bad graphics.

>>3744465
Feat: It's Not a Big Truck.
Prerequisites: First Level only.
Benefit: You are extremely adept at navigating the 'net. Your base connection speed increases by 10kb/s(Or whatever the speed thingy would be then)
Sorry if it isn't dark humor.

>>3744520
Awesome feat is awesome. We need moar. Also, that's a good way to measure lenght but REMEMBER, we aren't connected to the net any more. We are WITHIN it.

>>3743202

This is the future. Up those values considerably to compensate.

Else, you know, you'll have Traveler-syndrome. Where a modern cell phone has more memory than their computer table can support. Okay, maybe not a cell phone, but a crackberry or an ipod does.

Why would we have to be confined with conventional human senses at all? You know some hacker is all giddy about this code he dug into himself that lets him sense errors in code he's using/inside of the same way one would smell a color.

Wait a second. Moderators are a parallel to clerics, right? But... how do they heal people? And... wouldn't that mean they'd be useless outside of their site?

Feat: Spoiler
Prerequisite: Must have originated from a FORUM webfort or 4chan
This feat allows you to hideobjects in 'spoiler' chests. There are numerous uses for this, including trapmaking, limited storage, and sealing of low-key enemies. Once the spoiler is set up, no one can discern the contents.

>>3744572
>wouldn't that mean they'd be useless outside of their site?
Shouldn't that sort of be the point?

>>3744572 I think moderators are more paladins, right? They can have a mix of weapon use and spells.
HACKERS were the clerics, and they heal and buff through code manipulation.

Drawfag here. Drawing worms and other concept sketches. Will need to sleep soon. Will pop up tommorow.

>>3744603
Oopsy daisy, sorry about that. Green text ain't quoted, it's actually mine.

Okay, I'm out. See you tomorrow my fa/tg/uy friends. I expect a RULEBOOK and shit for this, so let's all have a good time and make this happen. Y'all have restored my faith in /tg/ as those who get shit done.

How far are we on the actual stat system?

Script Kiddies should be fighter-types... think about it. They wield weapon and have a bad reputation for just waving dangerous stuff about until everyone dies. That also makes for some interesting parallel between mages/fighters and hackers/scriptkiddies. Hackers and crackers would always be looking down on Script Kiddies for not practising and learning the art, and Script Kiddies would get all indignant about it and such...

>>3744407
While we're on the subject... what do Viruses look like?

Moderators are gods of varying power within their respective sites but the same as anyone else when taken outside it. Not sure how you could justify it as being any other way.

ENOUGH FLUFF, IT IS CRUNCH TIME

>>3744678

I imagine kinda spiky and spider-like, perhaps?

>>3744698
But crunch time is haaaard.

Viruses would be fiends. They are not native to our code flow.

>>3744704
So Virus Riders ride on giant spiky spiders? And possibly throw smaller flying spiders at people?
FUCK YEAH YOU ARE THE BEST CLASS EVER.

Wouldn't Bards would be anti-virus programmers?

Think about it, they're OK in combat, help their entire party, and know a shitload of stuff.

>>3744539

Yeah, I kept thinking I was going a bit low with those.

Hrmm... Would 100% and 150% respectively be good, or what?

Or were you refering to the DC stuff?

>>3744673

two words

WILD MAGE

"Hello children. Today we're going to learn about the dangers of subcults."

"Ms.Harrison, what's a subcult?"

Ms.Harrison:"Well Jimmy, I'll tell you. First, did everyone get their permission slips signed? This is very important or I won't be able to show the vide...looks like everyone got theirs signed. Okay, remember no talking class."

(A video flashes into midair, a crude holo image. A man steps into frame. He wears a brown suit, smokes a pipe, and has glasses.)

"Hello! I'm Mr.Stevens and I'm going to talk to you about the dangers of SUBCULTS and why you should stay away from them."

You see [CHILDREN/CLASS/NAMEHERE], Subcults are dangerous for a number of reasons. While you or I behave in a rational and reasonable manner, subcults exist almost exclusively to grow their respective organizations and tear down anyone who does not belong. In addition, they aim to infect or otherwise pollute anyone that will try to reason with them."

(A highly synthesized voice drones in from off screen) "But Mr.Stevens, they seem so nice and accepting. They say they only want to practice their [BELIEFS/IDEAS/GENERIC PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT] in peace."

"Don't believe them! Your average subcult is anything but peaceful. Their idea of practicing their beliefs is often assaulting the bastions of civility that we all live, such as [RAND_WEBFORTNAME] for new 'converts' to whatever depraved cause they have in mind."

(The voice drones in again) "Mr.Stevens, are all subcults the same and should they all be avoided and treated with hostility?"

"Yes"

(a long pause)

"Yes they should. Additionally, if you know a family member that belongs to a subcult, you should report them immediately to [LOCAL_WEBFORT] authorities. A short list of subcults are: (thousands of names are listed) - so if you see ANY behavior that might be suspicious, query your browser and see if you can find those pesky subcult infiltrators!

Memes = Disease

>>3744704
I like the image of the flu virus, myself. Rather Beholderish.

This really seems like it would make for a pretty good d20 madlib.

>query your browser
MORE LIKE
>open the gates to hell

>>3744823
No easy mode. It's been ages since /tg/ did a real homebrew.

Hooo boy once we get the rest of the system sorted out there's still one more target to reach. Finding a way to organize our brainstorming session. I will tip my hat to anyone who has the balls to do THAT job.

>>3744807
I could have SWORN there was a monster girl in that image. Like, I would have bet my freedom to a hot musclegirl dom chick who, if I somehow had lost, would pummel me until I'm incapable of fleeing, then tie up my cock and ride me for hours on end.

>>3744859

I'm braving those waters anon.

>>3744861

>>3744849
Well, if we're doing it based on programs, then a skill based combat system would work best.

.exes would be equipment, which the Script Kiddie wields very well.

Spells would be command lines in prompt.

There shouldn't be rolls to hit. They're programs. If anything, there should be rolls to evade.

>>3744686
mods = gods lol

Let's do this. I propose the following stats:
HP - Hitpoints
BW - Bandwidth, a sort of subdual damage meter
AM - Anti-Malware, which is used to dodge/absorb program, file, and virus attacks

Everything else should be a skill or program check vs. the environment, opponent, etc.

>>3744957

How about some class specific to the Dark God ? I could think of Spammer and Troll being specific to it given its pretty much a part of what spawned it.

>>3744976
I thought Bandwidth was a measure of speed. The more BW, the faster you can propogate.

>>3745031
Spammers don't attack HP. They attack your Bandwidth, and when it hits 0 you can take no more actions - your internal programming has completely locked up.

>>3745025
What's the difference between a Spammer and a Troll?

>>3745058

Now that I think about it, not much. Oh well, forget it, Troll could be the agent of the God trying to break most of the webfort from the inside, I don't think it could be made a class

>>3744976
ok lets fucking do this
Bandwidth should be a speed thing, as well as certain levels of bandwidth allow for certain actions per turn (if your bandwidth is high, you might get 2 movement and 1 action phase, etc.)

We need to make a prototype version and make a .pdf of it.

Since we're using D20, we should, ahem, de-cruft the system while we're using it. This is the INTERNET. regular-people/rl classes don't seem to fit. Its all about skill and application of it.

Take out the fighter-type classes. Mash teh rangeresque tracking skills to a skill-only test.(basically, take the special class-only trackign and just tack it onto the feat.), and give the skillmonkey/scout type class a lot of bonus feats.

Realistically, everyone with some type of coding skills should be a caster... and that should be all the PC's, because they're supposed to be exceptional.
TLDR, take out the 'useless' classes for this custom setting, incorporate their functionality into the good ones. Make everything viable.

>>3745516

http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/02-AldenataCD/AldenataCD/Legacy%20of%20the%20Aldenata/rules/Rules
.doc

A while ago someone posted this custom setting. Its got a lot of shit we can ignore. BUT, its got some stuff we can rip out of it. Some of the background points options make nice filler for a d20(accounting for stuff before you got your braintransplanted to the internet), and also the general trend of modern setting = more skill point, because all people tend to be more educated.

We should consider what skills are relevant and what the internets worlds looks like -> are things such as jump and climb still relevant?

>>3745516
and then pdf it. NOW

>>3745538

Also, looked into the previous threads suggestion of ripping mechanics from d20: Horizon Virtual, an existing tron-style d20 supplement.
A) does anyone have this book that can be rapidshared/megauploaded/whathaveyou
and
B) Found a wiki/d20 update project thingie for that setting, which seems like more material we can use for inspiration.
http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/HorizonVirtual:Main_Page

>>3744374

It occurs to me that with people losing access to their home terminals en masse, the ability to copy-paste be an incredible tool in the land of the internet. There are those who have it, and those who do not.

>>3745553

Check out that aldenata link just above your post for some examples on modern-world skills and 'realistic' dcs.
But yeah. We can probably trim, like, climb and jump. Or at least mash them up into a single skill. On one hand, people would know this stuff from before being cyberized. On the other hand, making the PC's pay for skills they will never ever use seems quite silly.

Also, there needs to be a feat for Air Control.

>>3744572
>>3744585
>>3744686
The name "Moderator" is actually a bit misleading,as they no longer maintain the rules of a single website: Instead, they enforce the will of their gods, which tends to be an omnipresent power. This way, they can travel outside their home and still retain their powers.

>>3745969
So, the Mods would not hold any sort of political power within their societies, unless it was a theocracy? Could work. The actual bosses would be called webmasters.

In the last thread, it was also mentioned that the each god would have a single Admin. This is also a too good idea to just ignore: They could be like Internet equivalents for Popes and Dalai Lamas and the like. They would have great political power, too.

ANON

Do we have a name yet? If we do I could try to do a logo.

>>3745969
So why even call them mods? Fucking stupid.

>>3746109
Because they moderate. As usual. Their range of power is just different.

>>3746118
In our world, mods contain nigh absolute power within their range. I hope you're not suggesting that these mods are the same, on even higher scale?

>>3746141
Oh, heavens no. Mods can die or be killed, as other people can. They have much higher power range, but they're otherwise significantly weaker.

Same with Admins, except that they tend to be epic level, which makes killing them pretty challenging.

I think this is autosaging. We need a new one.

As for moderators, I think they should be the rulers of all the communities. They may be priests as well, but it's not necessary. It would depend of the form of government, but generally there would be a senate of mods and a single admin in each webfort, upholding the law and justice.

New thread:
>>3747106