<TG_Weaver> Okay, so here we go
<TG_Weaver> I'm going to discuss these questions rather than just outright answer them
<TG_Weaver> sort of a Socratic method kind of thing
<TG_Weaver> <PeaDoeBear> was the "her" filbert refered to bella?
<TG_Weaver> What do you guys think?
<CarbonFriendly> YES
<PeaDoeBear> I thought it was, i just wanted to make sure because some faggot was like NO ITS NOTat me yesterday

<TG_Weaver> Okay, next question
<TG_Weaver> <Earthworm_Jim> Tell us Jay's story. Why did we save the character with 0 development beyond crying and darkness?
<TG_Weaver> This is a good question
<TG_Weaver> What do we know about Jay?

<Zamzoph> sympathy
Solarion> Because he didn't seem violent, and needed help.
<Flynx> Well, IS he saved?
<CarbonFriendly> Because we are great people. Also nothing.
<Northan> He's sad.
<MK01> he is very scared
<Foolery> He made the world go dark
<SZ> He is an innocent.
<S9> he is one of the birds of the poem
<Restar> He was in the facility because he had depression and they wanted to cure it
<LawyerDog> Because Ruby likes threesomes
<Glaive17> hes the only one who didnt seem like he was evil or wanting to kill us
<GuyverII> He appears to have some sort of "projection" ability
<Delak> He was hooked into a water filtration system for god knows how long
<Castigar> Jay tried to reach out, but only projected his pain on us. We saved him, because in my mind we were not monsters.
<PeaDoeBear> We know that he was trapped and scared, just like we were
<Flynx> The Jay-character is actually very interesting and I wonder if there would have been a way to know more of him

<TG_Weaver> okay shut up
<TG_Weaver> Seems like we've got it down pretty well
<TG_Weaver> Admittedly, there's not a lot from what we have that we can know about Jay.
<TG_Weaver> We know that he was most likely a patient, correct?

<Restar> yep
<Solarion> He was in the picture with the other patients

<TG_Weaver> And we know that he was kept in the water filtration for a long time, his blood had been seeping into the facility's water supply

<CarbonFriendly> I never picked up on that, lol
<Glaive17> we used his blood for the godaweful smoothie!
<ClockworkSeal> It's possible that he was used to infect people.
<ClockworkSeal> or at least spread the latent 'medicine' around.
<Castigar> Why would Ace keep him there, instead of regenerating him in a locker?
<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> Not just keep him there, keep him there with the dial for some reason

<TG_Weaver> Also a good question. Doesn't seem very scientific.

<Starit> People were drinking Jay's blood?
<Solarion> Jay seems to regenerate VERY fast, maybe water inhibits it?
<Solarion> He was able to climb that ladder after just a few minutes
<Malamok> Ace put him there to spread the infection and make sure everyone got it?

<TG_Weaver> For clarification, besides his more obvious wounds, Jay was missing a large portion of his right arm.

<ClockworkSeal> It would seem that Ace was using him for something, insomuch as he was actively restrained there
<PeaDoeBear> that is a good point about his regen
<GuyverII> Pherhaps...Was the water filter linked to Bella's life support?
<ClockworkSeal> Additionally, the eye dial has obvious relevance to the facility and Ace bothered to tack it to Jay, while presumably Ace knew rather a bit about what was going on at that point.
<ClockworkSeal> Also worth noting is that Shadowjay did not appear until after the last point where we saw the dial in the dummy room, so it is likely that the eye dial was part of what allowed the projection of shadowjay.
<Delak> This is way out there, but here's a theory: Jay was the original Ace, and then whatever they dug up took over the suit and locked Jay up in the filtration unit
<Solarion> That is a cool theory, Delak

<TG_Weaver> A very interesting theory, Clockwork.
<TG_Weaver> That would imply some kind of special power latent within the dial itself, don't you agree?
<TG_Weaver> Do we have any other indication that the dial might have unusual properties?

<ClockworkSeal> Or, at the very least, the ability of the dial to manipulate whatever supernatural presence is infesting the facility.
<Solarion> The dream, where Red cut the ???
<Foolery> That fact that the dial was dug up
<S9> the "strong echo" coming from the dial
<Starit> And the clock had the Evil Mark on it when we used ThirdEyeVision in that room

<TG_Weaver> No, not coming from the dial.
<TG_Weaver> Coming from where it was.

<ClockworkSeal> It was also one of the relics excavated when Red was digging for the growths, implying that it is tied to whatever was found in the facility very strongly
<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> But all the things we've personally done with the dial have been just that... using it as a dial

<TG_Weaver> Good, Clockwork. The dial was not brought in or created by the staff at the facility.

<Solarion> I think the Dummy is more likely a source. It was full of SOMETHING, possibly pieces of Elder God
<CarbonFriendly> Well it was made of leather, but by the end it was forming tentacles

<TG_Weaver> And what is leather?

<Foolery> skin
<Velenor> red growth, as the notes stated when they were escevating the place
<Solarion> It was very TOUGH leater... not even a scalpel could pierce it, right?

<TG_Weaver> Quite strong
<TG_Weaver> Did we see that symbol anywhere else?

<Kitfox88> Which symbol?

<TG_Weaver> the one on the disc

<ClockworkSeal> It was in the lounge. It kept looking at Ruby.
<ClockworkSeal> We stuck a letter opener in it at one point. Additionally, that room was adjacent to the 'brig' and may have been excavated as well.
<ClockworkSeal> The eye symbol was also NOT in that room on 29 oct, unless it was under the photo. The photo being something Ruby later discovered with her own eye.

<TG_Weaver> I think this one seems pretty wrapped up, then
<TG_Weaver> <Zamzoph> Here's a question: Were we theoretically suppose to be able to save everyone and defeated Ace?

<Malamok> No, I don't think we could
<Flynx> In the poem just two persons get out
<Flynx> The bunny and the cat

<TG_Weaver> No
<TG_Weaver> In the poem, nobody necessarily got out

<Northan> In the poem, its ambiguous.
<PeaDoeBear> the poem lacks an end
<PeaDoeBear> it just asks the question
<Kitfox88> It never actually said T&R made it out, just that those who didn't work together were still trapped in hell

<TG_Weaver> It seems clear that some people could not have escaped
<TG_Weaver> And that some did not WANT to leave.

<Malamok> Like Nook?

<TG_Weaver> And Nook?
<TG_Weaver> Well
<TG_Weaver> He was sort of attached to the old place

<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> instantrimshot.com

<CarbonFriendly> Nook wanted scissors. Perhaps to cut himself free from the metal glen
<CarbonFriendly> So he could be free
<ClockworkSeal> We don't know if he could've been separated

<TG_Weaver> So no, not everyone could have been saved, and honestly, I didn't think you'd get out with anyone but Tom + Ruby, at most
<TG_Weaver> Or just one
<TG_Weaver> or neither

<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> So we actually came out pretty far ahead

<TG_Weaver> Yes: I will say that I didn't even consider saving Jay
<TG_Weaver> His role was never originally going to be as an ally
<TG_Weaver> He was in torturous pain and asked to die
<TG_Weaver> I figured you'd kill him or leave him
<TG_Weaver> But then like a billion people were like SAVE HIM
<TG_Weaver> and I'm like "Well... I... OKAY!"

<Malamok> Jay = Noh in some aspects

<TG_Weaver> I honestly couldn't think of any reasonable excuse not to let you save him
<TG_Weaver> I mean, he wasn't locked up or anything

<ClockworkSeal> Going back to an earlier point, It's also worth noting that Shadowjay only appeared after we were forced to shut the eye due to headaches, and always very near us. If he DID get his projection ability from the eye dial, that's another connection between the Eye Sigils and Ruby's own eye
<Kitfox88> I figured he was going to die when we pulled out the hooks or whatever
<That> maybe an excuse like "removing the hooks would sever an artery and cause him to bleed to death" or something

<TG_Weaver> ha, well, that would have been railroading
<TG_Weaver> You guys figured you could save him and I thought "Why the hell not?"

<Link43130> Tom should've slapped the DO NOT OPEN sticker on the inside of the hatch after climbing out of it.

<TG_Weaver> Okay, well I think we've covered the question pretty thoroughly
<TG_Weaver> Let's move on to the next one, shall we?
<TG_Weaver> Okay, I'll leave this next one for people who took a glance at Neco z Alenky the other day:
<TG_Weaver> <S9> Was Nook a threat to us? I can't use "evil" to describe the patients because I don't think that this is an accurate description, but was he really a threat to us or just insane? He kept asking about "Lucy" and saying nonsense

<Gnome> He was playing Alice in Wonderland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIB-LnoCNBM&feature=PlayList&p=5E2E348FE2BE5925&index=0
<Gnome> He was the psychotic rabbit from that link, in facility-spanning organelle form. Weaver said so yesterday that the rabbit inspired pretty much the entire character of Tom Nook.
<Castigar> Nook just seemed stuck in his little world, he may have very well been a threat, but if he did damage, he clearly wouldn't be in his right mind.

<TG_Weaver> I might as well shed some insider light on this one

<Gnome> CONCLUSION: He was not intentionally dangerous, just playful, and strong enough to kill us by mistake

<TG_Weaver> Given his form, do you think that he could pose a threat to Tom and Ruby?

<Gnome> If he wanted to, we would be dead

<TG_Weaver> What about his form at the end?

<Kitfox88> At the end he seemed to terrified of ace to do anything
<Gnome> He could be ANYWHERE he wanted, and attack ANYTHING he wanted

<TG_Weaver> He seemed terrified of Ace
<TG_Weaver> We can conclude that Nook could have been a threat

<S9> if he wanted, he could have killed us all
<Castigar> Nook just becomes terrified when he remembers what Ace could do to his less powerful body. He may fail to connect that he has grown more powerful.
<ClockworkSeal> HE was cowering in the corner like a child afraid of being grounded. It is possible that his fear of ace was psychological rather than a rational judgement of threat
<Gnome> Tl;dr: NOOK IS STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL US ALL, BUT HE IS ALSO USELESS

<TG_Weaver> Was he a potential threat? Sure, potentially.
<TG_Weaver> Do you really think amputating Nook from the growth would have been a good thing?
<TG_Weaver> Do you think he even would have survived that?

<Gnome> haha, no
<Gnome> He would have died

<TG_Weaver> SO!
<TG_Weaver> Obviously Nook is capable of great harm
<TG_Weaver> Bella said something bad happened last time he got his hands on scissors
<TG_Weaver> He seems very unpredictable, given to mood swings.

<Fatum> TG_Weaver, does he have hands to get them on scissors to begin with?

<TG_Weaver> doh ho
<TG_Weaver> how can he type with boxing gloves, good question

<Gnome> The scissors were just to freak us out
<Glaive17> agreed

<TG_Weaver> So I think we've covered Nook to about the extent that we're capable of
<TG_Weaver> We can only know so much
<TG_Weaver> <Starit> Was Lucy the missing patient?
<TG_Weaver> I might as well just spill this one, since you never ran across it and it didn't change much
<TG_Weaver> According to my handy-dandy rqcheatsheet.txt ...
<TG_Weaver> Subject #3 : "Lucy"

<Zamzoph> we must get this rqcheatsheet.txt ...
<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> rqcheatsheet.txt, that's the file you're looking for, hackers, script kiddies, get to work
<Glaive17> what animal was she?
<ClockworkSeal> Pig
<KillerKiller> bear

<TG_Weaver> No, it's like a half-man, half-bearpig

<Theta][Sigma> MANBEARPIG
<S9> 1 - stitches 2 - maddie 3 - lucy 4 - jay 5- nook 6-tom 7-ruby 8-daisy

<That> why was Lucy included in the story if she's only mentioned once by Nook?

<TG_Weaver> Because not everyone can be a star
<TG_Weaver> There's only so much content I can pack in you know how it goes

<TG_Weaver> What tidbit?
<TG_Weaver> That she was #3?
<TG_Weaver> It didn't really matter
<TG_Weaver> What does this tell us about the goat?

<ClockworkSeal> The goat was not a patient
<Solarion> The goat was a doctor
<Malamok> The goat was a worker
<KillerKiller> the goat was a shapeshifter

<TG_Weaver> RIGHT
<TG_Weaver> <KillerKiller> the goat was a shapeshifter
<TG_Weaver> bingo
<TG_Weaver> The goat was obviously a shapeshifter, this was a big plot point
<TG_Weaver> how did you guys miss this
<TG_Weaver> When Tom went back in time and cloned himself into a shapeshifting goat
<TG_Weaver> The point here is there is a much larger cast than we encountered
<TG_Weaver> A lot of these people escaped early (or late?), or died permanently, or could just be hidden in a locker or a closet somewhere, or who knows really
<TG_Weaver> For all we know, Lucy could be here, or she could have escaped
<TG_Weaver> Lucy could even have made it out with the majority of the staff when things went to hell -- it would explain why Nook was so despondent over memories of her

<TG_Weaver> OKAY NEXT QUEXTION
<TG_Weaver> <Theta][Sigma> So what's the limit on how much has to be left of you to be resurrected via the coffins/lockers? Seeing as we (apparently) completely vaporized Daisy and she still survived.

<Everyone> HERPADERP

<TG_Weaver> When we first saw Stitches it was almost a year after his accident
<TG_Weaver> I don't think his state is a direct result of his accident

<Sinder> I never got the point of how the lockers/cells were supposed to work. I was under the impression that it was Red's meds made from Ctulhu's toejam that was the primary agent in resurrecting people, and I don't think that an institute for the blind wold be researching something to revive the dead. That kind of just happened.
<ClockworkSeal> We've been over this repeatedly already, Sinder. The growth was the medication, and we found a note from Fil which said that they needed the 'cells' to ressurect. As the patients were all administered the medication, the growths were NOT solely responsible for the ressurection.

<TG_Weaver> further: do we have any proof that Daisy "vaporized"?
<TG_Weaver> Or did you simply assume that the smoke you saw was sublimated hound?
<TG_Weaver> Ruby WAS temporarily blinded by the intense light
<TG_Weaver> Could it have been enough time for a wounded escape?

<Everyone> HERPADERP

<TG_Weaver> All right I think I should do a bit more answering and a bit less questioning
<TG_Weaver> We learned from Filbert's experiments with Maddie several things
<TG_Weaver> From his note in the pile at the end
<TG_Weaver> We learned that Maddie didn't come back, and she could not be revived
<TG_Weaver> This tells us a few things. First, it tells us there is a sort of window, a period in which treatment has to be administered for the reanimation process to occur

<TG_Weaver> A corpse that is too far gone cannot be brought back, then.
<TG_Weaver> We also know Maddie was kept in an observation room to be monitored, rather than the cells, which leads Filbert to speculate that the cells may be an essential component in the reanimation process.

<MK01> but it does not have to be administered to the living then?
<MK01> a technicality, mind, but still vaguely interesting

<TG_Weaver> I think there's a definite possibility it does
<TG_Weaver> It would go with a lot of the practices in the facility

<Kitfox88> Are the lockers and the cells the same thing?

<TG_Weaver> Yes, the "Subject Cells" were the lockers

<Kitfox88> Ok, I am just making sure, assuming has lead us totally wrong before :(

<TG_Weaver> If the lockers are necessary for the process, it's assumed they are part of the treatment

<CarbonFriendly> Wait so, this means that Ruby and Tom aren't necessarily immortal

<TG_Weaver> Indeed, Carbon, it does seem that way

<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> But then there's another part, the medicine they were all taking

<TG_Weaver> It would imply that the lockers are needed for resurrection, as well as the medicinal dosage
<TG_Weaver> Very good

<Solarion> The medicine is apparently in a form that can be hidden in food and ingested
<Solarion> But how it is CREATED is another question

<TG_Weaver> We did encounter a very pure form of the medicine at one point

<Gnome> The FLESHY GLOBULE
<Theta][Sigma> Which when we THIRDEYE'D it, it showed up as a freaky human fetus

<TG_Weaver> Let's turn the discussion to a related topic
<TG_Weaver> What was the medicine?

<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> The red growths Red found

<TG_Weaver> And where did Red find them?

<Starit> Things they discovered down there, during the excavations
<Sinder> In Hell.

<TG_Weaver> If the brig was excavated, it implies that the facility was already on the sea floor

<Gnome> So, Under Da Sea
<Gnome> Literally

<TG_Weaver> The brig -- located on the lowest level -- was under the sea floor.
<TG_Weaver> So the question now is
<TG_Weaver> What did they find?

<TheMadman> The dummy, for some reason.
<Jik> THE SPHERE!
<ClockworkSeal> As Red is the one who suggested the treatment (which was a weekly dosage of the medicine), and there is a note in Red's font that he needed to check the medicinal uses of them.
<Glaive17> the wooden disk
<Gnome> Some of Cthulhu's very own flesh
<Glaive17> the fetus statue

<TG_Weaver> They found a buried room
<TG_Weaver> long forgotten.

<S9> but why there's a room under the sea floor?
<Earthworm_Jim> And the only reason they found it was the voices in Red's head drawing him to there. Implying supernatural influence.

<TG_Weaver> Good question S9
<TG_Weaver> Jim's got a good answer

<Solarion> YOUR DWARVES HAVE DISCOVERED A STRANGE ROOM
<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> CJOPAZE BECKONS YOU FORTH, COME, COME AND DIG
<PeaDoeBear> Drink interrupted by DUMMY
<Northan> Ruby has admired a fine flesh statue recently.

<TG_Weaver> So the room contained the EYE DISC, the DUMMY, the GREEN STATUETTE, a FLESHY RED GROWTH which covered the walls and floor, and possibly other things (the green staves, perhaps)
<TG_Weaver> So that brings us back to the medicine
<TG_Weaver> Injecting patients with a scentifically-remarkable bio-organic growth
<TG_Weaver> Evidently it was a medical marvel in itself
<TG_Weaver> So we can conclude that the medicine was derived from this strange organic film which covered the room
<TG_Weaver> The room to which Red was called before the treatment started
<TG_Weaver> Building a facility out in the water and using this kind of bizarre treatment... perhaps those facts are connected. Evidently this facility was not bound by modern ethics.
<TG_Weaver> Dr. S reported hearing whispers

<nonex> so red is basically a sensitive that can detact the "Call of what ever the fuck isn't really Cthulhu"?

<TG_Weaver> Possibly.

<Gnome> I think the facility was built there just to be cool and sciency
<GuyverII> private industry? hence "the board"
<Gnome> The CoC stuff came later

<TG_Weaver> Also possible, Guyver

<Starit> Well, both Filbert and Red showed a great lack of moral fiber. Maybe they were trying almost illegal blindness treatments before finding the "cure".

<TG_Weaver> I think that's a safe assumption Starit

<S9> secretive facility = faster research, no place to be anywhere near ethics
<Gnome> and building it underwater is both secretive and FUCKING COOL

<TG_Weaver> So obviously this experimental treatment worked, because it gave them their eyesight back, but also healed other ailments the patients had. It was so impressive that the treatment was prescribed for ALL patients and staff.
<TG_Weaver> After all, in a place as accident-prone as there, wouldn't you want your staff constantly in top condition?

<Kitfox88> Which means the treatment could apparently prevent harm from ever occuring?
<FancySanta> Or at least undo the effects of harm.
<Gnome> Also the not-eating or drinking was probably part of the decision
<Gnome> Gave the treatment more testing AND cut the food budget
<FancySanta> The "Treatment" does not seem mundane still. Stopping the need for ingestion and digestion seems to go against the laws of physics to a frightening degree.

<TG_Weaver> <FancySanta> Hmm. Exactly why was the facility built there? And how coincidental could it be they need to be so secretive, and have done some unethical things, right above an ancient room of eldritch stuff?
<TG_Weaver> Perhaps the architect who built the Glen was driven by more than chance to select that spot

<Starit> Damn you Murdoch
<Solarion> "like a madman"
<Gnome> Elder Evils have a habit of reaching to the outside world for help
<Xom> http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3598716/images/1233657167287.gif
<Xom> BOTTOM FUCKING RIGHT.

<TG_Weaver> Here's the problem: if the treatment has massive regenerative capabilities, and subjects undergoing dosage didn't need to eat or drink... why was Red going through cereal?

<Everyone> HERPADERP

<TG_Weaver> all wrong
<TG_Weaver> you're all wrong
<TG_Weaver> unless in that flood I skipped over something
<TG_Weaver> Here, let me try something a bit easier
<TG_Weaver> If the medication had such strong regenerative capabilities...
<TG_Weaver> why didn't Tom's eye heal?

<Malamok> The effect wears off
<Theta][Sigma> Because he wasn't getting the medication anymore.

<TG_Weaver> bam
<TG_Weaver> You guys have got it, here and there anyway
<TG_Weaver> It's the same reason Maddie didn't come back to life
<TG_Weaver> Because like many treatments, this one wears off.
<TG_Weaver> That's why they prescribed an ongoing dosage, a regiment of treatment
<TG_Weaver> The cells administer the treatment.

<Solarion> Presumably, it had been a long time since Red took the treatment. Long enough that he needed to start eating again.

<TG_Weaver> This would explain why Ace was constantly stuffing people into lockers
<TG_Weaver> GOOD ONE, Sol.
<TG_Weaver> Very nice.
<TG_Weaver> What was Red's motivation?
<TG_Weaver> he wanted to die.

<Gnome> So he need to die in a way that couldnt get him back in the locker
<Gnome> Hence, the bomb

<TG_Weaver> Red tried to commit suicide originally, right? But he came back because he was on the treatment without realizing it.

<Gnome> Red wanted to die, Ace shoves dead people in the lockers, which is why Red needed the bomb
<Gnome> No body = nothing to give treatment to
<That> but wouldn't Red have no memory of that?

<TG_Weaver> Red could have been finding notes, just like we did
<TG_Weaver> he might have been piecing it together
<TG_Weaver> How many times had he come this far? How many times had he tried to kill himself? How many times had anyone made progress, knowing that it would all be lost with a single misstep, and theyd repeat this cyclical nightmare from the start, with no memory?

<Reka> Did Red really escape? It seems like Ace could dig him out if he really wanted. And wasn't constantly getting speared in the lung. Although he probably came closer this time than any other.

<TG_Weaver> But even for someone of his size, that would take a long time to clear out all that debris.
<TG_Weaver> How long do you think it would take for one man to clear an entire collapsed room with his bare hands, especially with everything else Ace had to deal with during that time?

<ClockworkSeal> Additionally, if Red was eating he was likely already off-treatment.

<TG_Weaver> Damn ClockworkSeal, you're like the best at this

<ClockworkSeal> It was likely no longer feasible to regenerate Red, with what we know about Maddie being unable to be ressucitated

<TG_Weaver> A few days was long enough for Maddie

<Gnome> Even if Red could be brought back
<Gnome> Ace's time hunting us down wasted the window of opportunity

<TG_Weaver> Which would explain what he was doing there in the first place
<TG_Weaver> The cereal suggests that Red needed food again. Which means the treatment had worn off.
<TG_Weaver> I think you've got the gist of it
<TG_Weaver> I want you to consider a few pertinent facts:
<TG_Weaver> Ace is still taking orders from someone.
<TG_Weaver> Ace's orders seem to involve reviving anyone who's injured/dead by stuffing them in lockers.
<TG_Weaver> The treatment has regenerative and mutagenic properties, and every time the treatment reanimates a patient, they come back changed.
<TG_Weaver> With each death and resurrection, they come back more and more changed.

<Kitfox88> The more they die
<Kitfox88> The more of WHATEVER that is comes back

<TG_Weaver> What do these facts mean together?

<capt_harbl> They will eventually come back as an avatar of Nyarlathotep
<Solarion> No, Bella said Ruby had done this "dozens" of times already
<TheMadman> That Ace has died again and again and again?
<ClockworkSeal> The issue there is that Ace could just take them out, kill them, and put them back if it were that simple.
<ClockworkSeal> Whatever was giving Ace orders wanted the PATIENTS to do something.
<Link43130> Chaos has tainted the Metal Glen.
<That> the Big Bad was trying to create monsters to do his bidding?
<FancySanta> Their changes seem to make them become more and more irrational and prone to insanity. It makes them also much less likely to escape the facility or behave coherently in any other fashion. I'm going to take a stab at this and say that this entity does not want people to escape. It does not want to be found out. For whatever reason it is afraid of being discovered.
<FancySanta> But then... why keep them alive at all? Damnit.
<MK01> odd, even after a year of apparently repeated death, Ruby didn't seem changed much, apart from that eye, general badassness and having dozens of neckbeards in her head talking

<TG_Weaver> Bottom line: We can agree that there is something insidious behind the workings of this facility in one sense or another, correct?
<TG_Weaver> YOU DON'T ALL NEED TO ANSWER
<TG_Weaver> And with each resurrection, something insidious begins to creep in, correct?
<TG_Weaver> One way or another, it's clear they were no use dead.

<ClockworkSeal> There is also the wheel sigils that popped up in ALL of these places (Nook notwithstanding), including behind Stitches' head when he was regrown in the dummy room. I personally still think the sigils are where the supernatural force comes into the world proper.

<TG_Weaver> Whether you want to speculate that some Eldritch horror was keeping them as minions of His bidding or some demonic force was using them as a collective portal for His own form or whatever other conclusion you'd like to draw, the end result is the same

<Solarion> The question is, as Clockwork says--if the monster wanted them to repeatedly die, why not just keep taking them out and killing them, instead of wander around the facility? Maybe the medicine needs time to take effect, or maybe the patients have to kill each other without Ace's help.
<Kitfox88> Solarion, maybe if they die too fast something goes wrong
<PeaDoeBear> perhaps it only has so much influence
<nonex> maybe murder is required
<nonex> violence, rage
<nonex> applied evil
<TheDireGazebo> Insanity
<KBFF> human emotions, love
<nonex> all makes it stronger
<ClockworkSeal> Since Ace gave higher priority to Bella's orders than anyone elses, why wouldn't they assume that Bella was the one giving him orders that nobody else could countermand?

<TG_Weaver> Whatever the case, it seems they were not meant to escape, don't you agree?

<Malamok> Agreed

<TG_Weaver> Well, I think we've brought some good closure to this
<TG_Weaver> I was tempted to have a giant Cthulhu monster rise out of the ocean at the end and smash the tram just as a giant FUCK YOU VB

<Northan> Double faggot handled that weaver.
<Kitfox88> THAT PIC OF JOHN EATING THE TRAM WAS CANON

<TG_Weaver> Well I think we've cleared pretty much everything up here
<TG_Weaver> One last point of consideration:
<TG_Weaver> The brig, which was falling apart in some sort of chaotic fashion.
<TG_Weaver> Why that room?

<Lurklurklurk> BECAUSE EVIL
<Malamok> like something continuously is eating it or something
<KillerKiller> tentacles fall, everyone dies
<Starit> Because that was the room where they excavated the ancient evil

<TG_Weaver> OKAY
<TG_Weaver> Well I hope you all had fun, I'm going to go play video games now
<TG_Weaver> <CarbonFriendly> My question be: IS "DAISYQUEST" SET AFTER OR BEFORE (OR DURING) RUBYQUEST
<TG_Weaver> It's after. The last panels are all in chronological order.
<TG_Weaver> ahem
<TG_Weaver> Daisy is a mutated, fleshy abomination. Her eye has become a razor-toothed mouth, her torso and spine have dislocated, her arm has become a massive claw, and her lower body has fused into a horrible mass of twisted flesh.
<TG_Weaver> What does she look like in the last panel?

<Hobbes> normal
<Solarion> ...perfectly normal.

<TG_Weaver> Stitches is a thrashing mass of bone, sinew, and muscle wrapped around a snakelike spine and topped with a gnashing, toothy-mawed head.
<TG_Weaver> Then he's decapitated and when we see him later... what does he look like?

<SZ> Stitches never recovered.
<RQlurker> And he gets progressively worse.
<Theta][Sigma> Apparently death cures the mutation. Or something.

<TG_Weaver> last hint.
<TG_Weaver> Perhaps the answers to these questions have something to do with the reason why Ace doesn't just repeatedly kill them and jam them into lockers.

<RQlurker> What are you saying Weaver? We can speculate all day, but what was your intentions with this?
<Link43130> He's saying mutations develop over time.
<Delak> You get revived normal and have to wait for the mutations to manifest
<Kitfox88> It's like I said before, it's not assembly line murder because for whatever reason, they need time between teh deaths
<Velenor> the mutations needed time to develop as the subject was walking around
<PeaDoeBear> mutations are from injury, res = back to normal?

<TG_Weaver> The reanimation process, in which the body is rebuilt, undoes a lot of the damage done to the body -- and it also undoes a lot of the changes.

<MK01> it resets you
<Solarion> But also undoes memory
<CarbonFriendly> Dying makes the mutation go away

<FancySanta> My god.
<FancySanta> They've...
<FancySanta> perfected save point technology.
<Theta][Sigma> <MK01> it resets you
<Theta][Sigma> RESETTI IS THE BBEG
<nonex> so do emotions control mutations, does evil control mutations, does random control mutations?
<Gnome> random I think
<Gnome> Xom controls the mutations

<TG_Weaver> Ace isn't just repeatedly killing and reviving them because it wouldn't do anything.
<TG_Weaver> Every time they die, it's also a setback to the mutations.
<TG_Weaver> They have to be alive and receiving treatment for that to happen.
<TG_Weaver> That's why they're stuffed into lockers even when they're still alive.

<Jik> Ace puts them through emotional rollercoaster to stimulate the mutation's strength?
<Gnome> that explains why the facility was so randomly dangerous
<Solarion> But, why does Ace set up the lockers such that they can escape?
<That> STUFF ANIMALS IN LOCKERS
<That> RECEIVE MUTANTS
<ClockworkSeal> Ace came to recollect them in the Dummy room because they hadn't been treated for x period of time
<Theta][Sigma> Which would explain why Ace was going after Ruby

<TG_Weaver> If you're kept alive, the mutations have time to take hold.
<TG_Weaver> But you have to stay on the treatment.

<MK01> so, had we let Ruby die, would the last panel have been Ruby switching on the light again?
<Gnome> Nook has never died I bet
<capt_harbl> Hence why Ace was shoving them back in the lockers
<KBFF> so in that "black out" period, Tom and Ruby were given the treatment again...?
<FancySanta> Huh. So.. he wants them to stay alive and mutate but can't risk their destruction?

combo breaker

<TG_Weaver> <KBFF> so in that "black out" period, Tom and Ruby were given the treatment again...?
<TG_Weaver> I think that would make sense, don't you? Especially if Ace had been wandering freely about the facility.

<ClockworkSeal> Except that Tom's eye remained missing and unmutated
<MK01> then why didn't Tom's eye grow back?
<Dylan16807> treatment was wearing off on him
<CarbonFriendly> Tom's eye was removed when he was alive

<Some people> So wait, will our mutations go away? Will tom's little arms atrophy and die now?

<TG_Weaver> The medicine causes mutations to grow, just like radiation can cause new growths
<TG_Weaver> But when the radiation leaves, do the extra legs on a toad fall off?
<TG_Weaver> Or do they remain?

<PeaDoeBear> toms eye was removed after he was rezed, ready for the next treatment?
<Northan> Yeah yeah.

<TG_Weaver> Okay, well I think I've answered enough questions for the time being, I think most of this is pretty clear. Perhaps there is still some confusion over the exact details but no more than the characters themselves feel. So with a rather reasonable knowledge of the situation, I take my break.

AFTER SESSION TIDBITS:

<TG_Weaver> mutations didn't "reset" on death, but they got set back
<TG_Weaver> after all, death is what opened the window in the first place
<TG_Weaver> I'm amazed no one ever asked Tom how long he had those arms for
<TG_Weaver> now I guess we'll never know

----

<TG_Weaver> so hey
<TG_Weaver> in that room they excavated?

<CarbonFriendly> You need to keep taking the medicine to ARE YOU STILL HERE

<TG_Weaver> what was all over the walls?

<Lurklurklurk> ...evil?
<CarbonFriendly> the red stuff

<TG_Weaver> right
<TG_Weaver> and what was unique, visually, about the Cold Storage room?

This so needs to be archived.

<Gnome> RED EVERYWHERE HOFUCK
<CarbonFriendly> EVERYTHING WAS RED
<ClockworkSeal> It was probably covered in the red film
<ClockworkSeal> I mean, the shit sort of bled into the ceiling up at the top
<Kitfox88> Ace was turning storage room back INTO the room they originally found?
<KillerKiller> it was a shapeshifter

<TG_Weaver> killer's got it
<TG_Weaver> shapeshifter again
<TG_Weaver> he's 2 for 2 now

<Gnome> dammit Killer
<Solarion> FUCKING SHAPESHIFTERS
<CJOPAZE_FTHAGN> Always

<TG_Weaver> it's always a shapeshifter
<ClockworkSeal> Killer is on fucking FIRE
<Theta][Sigma> GODDAMN CHANGELINGS

<TG_Weaver> you know why he's on fire
<TG_Weaver> because he's a shapeshifter

<Starit> It's never Lupus. It's Shapeshifter

<TG_Weaver> SPOILERS: everyone was a shapeshifter

<KillerKiller> i will go tie weaver up and put the cheatsheet on starchan
<KillerKiller> then sex her up hard

<TG_Weaver> yes please
<TG_Weaver> see if threeP will join

>>3618641
ALREADY IS.

And as many posts as that took, that's all of it... and the tl;dr version. Click the link in the first post for the horrifying initial version.

Enjoy, and discuss.

FUCKING
SHAPESHIFTERS

You god among... wait...

Hey Weaver, you lost your tripcode. Silly Weaver.

><KillerKiller> i will go tie weaver up and put the cheatsheet on starchan

Any links to this as of yet?

>>3618677
Spoilers: it was Gnome

I think he should've talked a bit more about the amnesia.

I'd like to think it wears off and Ruby and Tom will remember everything, but I guess it's too much to ask, with those mutations remaining and all.

And what about Ruby's eye? Will it still work, just as it did until now? Will it still try to kill her?

A perfect "Just as planned" by the cosmic horror.

I eagerly await the followup.

tl;dr's tl;dr:

The TREATMENT wears off with time; the LOCKERS apply the TREATMENT; ACE stuffs people in the LOCKERS in service to some elder evil; dying resets most of your mutations; Nook was based on a movie character and is not explicitly dangerous so much as he is playfully insane; Lucy is subject #3; we did not meet everyone who was ever in the facility.

>>3618677
>>3618682
I spent 5 hours shortening this, I may as well take credit.

So I may not have been paying attention, but WTF is up with the shapeshifters? I went through RubyQuest last night (first time back after no internet for a few months), and I couldn't find anything about them in the posts themselves (skipped over a lot of the random yelling/50 people going "FUCKN' RUN" posts).

Is this serious, or just some random Rubymeme I missed out on?

>>3618693

kudos to you sir gnome!

>>3618698
>WTF is up with the shapeshifters?

Weaver's just joking. I guess he took that #6/shapeshifter theory a bit hard.

God damnit

The only REAL answers were the backstory of the facility.

How did people not make the connection between Tom being subject #6, Jay being the source of bloodwater, Ace being orders from what we can only assume to be Cthulhu, or the nature of the treatment?

The big questions should have been:

1) How did Nook and Tom switch places
2) How was Nook mutating without proper treatment
3) What was the NATURE of Ruby's third eye? What did it see?

>>3618693
Hey Gnome! I WAS FUCKING CLOSE WASN'T I?

I totally knew it was Tom instead of Ruby the second I saw a handless guy that called himself Tom. I was PISSED too, because I couldn't masturbate furiously on IRC.

Apologies for the excessive namefaggotry.

>>3618714
>1) How did Nook and Tom switch places
>2) How was Nook mutating without proper treatment
>3) What was the NATURE of Ruby's third eye? What did it see?

Very yes. Weaver must answer for these.

>>3618698
Weaver likes to jack around and everyone was in an uproar with one of the theories that involved a shapeshifter.

Thus Weaver jacked the IRC around to be funny. It was, of course, a joke, and everyone caught on quickly, what with the implied sarcasm of 'everyone's a shapeshifter'.

tl;dr: It's a meme. It's also funny to see the reactions of people that don't pay attention.

>>3618714
You were right, well before the curve. Kudos to you good sir.

For the rest of you: Ace was literally the first one to say "Tom is #6," and he did so waaaaaay back after, say, part 4 or so.

>>3618693
Then my statement is reapplied to you. And get back to dorfin'. Because /tg/ is a harsh mistress.

>>3618729
>>3618710

Thanks, guys. I kept seeing the odd mentions, but nothing popped up in the game, so I was a bit confused.

Buh, all this Ruby theory makes my head hurt.

Wait, is there seriously going to be a DaisyQuest? When will that happen?

>>3618760
Fine. What do you want to know?

The cool thing is we got out with an additional person!

Also, I hate to be a pig, but where's that link to the raw convo?

Just curious.

Wait, while Ruby and Tom were in Ace's room.

Did we bother to ask Tom if he saw the Room being all red as Ruby did?

>>3618776
I tried, but Weaver didn't listen.

>>3618772
http://pastebin.com/mb6536ab

Roll for SAN damage.

>>3618728
These are my own guesses based off of reading through that entire log a grand total of 5 times, but:


>1) How did Nook and Tom switch places
Tom was put into Lab B as subject 6, and was later moved to the brig. This fits in with our notes. Nook just ended up in Lab B as a coincidence - I think any room would have worked to contain him. They mainly picked Lab B because only ACE could get to it from the last security measures [for Tom], so they didn't need to do much to fix it.


>2) How was Nook mutating without proper treatment
This... is a good question, but I am willing to bet the answer involves Lab B having been converted from/into a 'Cell' similar to the Lockers. It would explain how he could continually grow - the lockers regrow you if you ain't dead, so if he spent all his waking hours in one... Well, he wouldn't NEED to mutilate himself to keep growing, would he?

This would also explain why Tom needed to be moved out of Lab B, and why Lab B makes a good holding cell.

>3) What was the NATURE of Ruby's third eye? What did it see?
It saw the Elder Evil, that's it. Whatever malevolent being caused all this is apparently in the visible spectrum of eyes it makes. Might be why Nook is so off his rocker - he is always seeing through those eyes.

Again, these are only my own guesses.

>>3618762
It is probably just Weaver fucking with us.

He hasn't announced any plans for any kind of followup, but also hasn't announced that there won't be any.

another shitty animal crossing thread.

great

I would've liked to know about the dummy. It was found with the other DEEP SEA EVIL shit.

>>3618802
Thank you for waiting to sage until after the tl;dr'd IRC conversation was posted in full. That was very polite of you.

Also, I find myself quite willing to believe that Jay Was The Original Ace theory. It would explain a lot.

>>3618784
Brig was first, we can even be certain and ignore possibly yearfaggotry here, because they call Ace by his "name" and then make a note that finding compatible fonts is annoying as hell so they'll refer to him as ? from now on. That was November 1st,

November 23rd, ? moves Tom to Lab B.

Besides, Tom apparently was kicking ass, so why not make HIM the totally fucking mutated guy?

Well, we know Nook wasn't regenerating, he still had no hands, so I'm totally lost on this one.

Oh, and in all probability, what the eye sees is probably closer to just vanilla evil. Ruby saw the exact place (in mid air) she got murdered so...

>>3618827
>Besides, Tom apparently was kicking ass, so why not make HIM the totally fucking mutated guy?

I don't think the evil entity thought that far. It just made everyone fucking crazy and caused them to attack each other, for its own benefit. Whoever got mutated the worst, was the one with the best skills for survival, and thus the most useful for the creature. Clearly it wasn't Tom.

>>3618814
I do you a favor, perhaps you'd do me one. Is it not at all possible to talk about this on the site where this was originally posted?

Everyone who enjoyed Animal Crossing knows that the Animal Crossing logs are posted there. Why is it not possible to discuss this there? On the IRC channel devoted to this particular drawchat?

Why not just this one time, you post "to be continued in our personal IRC channel" wait 5 minutes and delete the thread?

Give it a try. I bet it's way better than posting here.

>>3618827
Interesting note, unless Weaver made an oversight, this means Maddie was euthanized BEFORE Ace got his name changed.

But that hardly makes sense, because it doesn't correlate with Red's journals.

So they were probably in the Glen for...2-3 years.

>>3618837
It was originally posted here, on /tg/. This is where Ruby Quest started. Thank you for trying though, but honestly? This IS where it belongs.

And in a week or two, now that it has been almost completely wrapped up? You probably won't hear about it all that much anymore. Its almost over dude, you can stop being butthurt over it very soon.

><TG_Weaver> I'm amazed no one ever asked Tom how long he had those arms for
><TG_Weaver> now I guess we'll never know

Dammit, Weaver! That was one of the questions that I PM'd you!

>>3618848
This was made with his own handwriting, I'd say.

>>3618858

TECHNICALLY, RubyQuest started on /r9k/. But it would never have taken off in that environment. It needed the fa/tg/uys and their Noh mentality to flourish.

I was talking about something along the lines of reading the original log on suptg then moseying on over to the animal crossing irc channel there and discussing it.

>>3618876
I'd opt to call him '?' instead of drawing a spade.

If I was writing a note where I had to choose between the two.

>>3618873
That's a lie. Anyone who claims that the railroad never stopped anywhere along the line is a troll.

>>3618893

Hide the thread. There's plenty of others to read in /tg/'s 10 pages.

>>3618518
Not worth it's own thread. Your fan edit of the log which might I add removes several important things that for whatever reason you're trying to hide, is not okay. Why would you remove the good parts?

Also, I feel strangely vindicated in knowing that I gave the last command in RubyQuest.

This is utterly pathetic, I know, but I still feel that way.

So how come good gods are all passive pussies in every single fiction? I'm sure our Vishnus and Brahmas and Buddhas and that Christian dude have enough faith from humans to be fairly powerful. Yet they never, ever, do anything, even when evil asshole gods are rising?

Boy, would I have LOVED to see the Glen destroyed by Divine Wrath right after Ruby, Tom, and Jay got out of the way.

>>3618912
I made the one which led to Red threatening us the FIRST time.

I practically defined Red's entire character.

You've got NOTHING.

>>3618916
Or at least made the good guys their personal avatars. Tom would've made a great Kali!

>>3618916
>Boy, would I have LOVED to see the Glen destroyed by Divine Wrath right after Ruby, Tom, and Jay got out of the way.

Would have been better if it was right BEFORE.

"Lights fall everyone dies"

>>3618912
>>3618919
Uh, pleasant of you to think so. Enjoy your predrawn images.

>>3618911
Yes, I removed stuff.

I removed double posts and side discussions that Weaver didn't verify, making the main points more clear. There is a reason I left the link to the full IRC discussion in the opening post.

>>3618940
But absolutely no reason for you to repost something massive here after linking it.

BUT THEN WHO WAS ARSENIC FISH!?

>>3618942
You have two options, let a thread live by having noko'ers keep posting in this thread, replying to you; or letting it die by leaving, since the last like 10 posts involve replying to you.

The choice is yours.

>>3618942
Actually yes, there is. Tl;dr version = more clear and concise. Is it that hard to comprehend?

Also posting it here put it in the archive on suptg, so it can be preserved next to the other RQ threads.

>>3618947
We gave the arsenic fish to Tom.

The question is: what the fuck was arsenic doing in a fucking fish?

>>3618952
Or you could delete the thread, doing your part to keep /tg/ limited to /traditionalgames/ content.

>>3618967
I can't delete the thread.

Looks like we know what YOU chose to do.

>>3618927

I know it's pathetic.

I'm just saying.

>>3618967
roleplaying has no place in traditional games

>>3618972
I was just pointing out that if the thread's over and only trolls are posting you might consider deleting it on my way by. Of course, everyone who doesn't like any variety of paint chat is of course one mastermind who's using multiple ip addresses to post faster than a speeding bullet.

>>3618979 its not like either side listens to valid arguments.

>>3618976
You can't roleplay a webcomic any more than you can roleplay monkey island, sam and max or animal crossing. You can't even rollplay them. You can barely even play them, they're far more suited to a movie as the entire point of the game is to progress the plotline, exactly like a movie but not so much like a roleplaying traditional game or even a video game with competitive elements.

In other words, this shit isn't even a game, let alone a traditional game. Get it the fuck to the drawing board.

>>3618994
I wonder if these trolls ever get tired of typing the same stupid shit out.
Banging their heads against a wall while everyone else just goes off to participate in things they enjoy.

I find I must reluctantly agree with >>3618994
I loved Ruby, I loved Monkey Island and Sam and Max and other adventure games, but guiding an avatar is DEFINITELY not roleplaying.

>>3618994
It's funny how there are tons of threads that belong to /tg/ even less than Ruby Quest, such as the recent Elf Boobs threads, but we don't hear you complaining about them.

I know that this has been asked a billion times before, but, uh,

Will there be any more Ruby quest?

>>3619000
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste.

My name is Mick Jagger.

>>3619006
So is Dorf Quest not a roleplaying game? Joan Quest? I am pretty sure those count as roleplaying games, and RQ is just more structured. Having a plotline in place =/= no longer a game.

>>3619009
/v/ content hatred man here:

You haven't been looking hard enough. Fuck that garbage.

>>3619016

Odds say no.

Fanart probably won't stop, especially the pornish ones, but Weaver himself appears done with it.

Now all we have to do is get ahold of that cheatsheet text file...

>>3619018
No paint chat is a game. No other webcomic with voting is considered a game. Packaging it as a game does not suddenly change the definition of game to include it.

How about I write FOOD on some bleach and you eat it? Same logic.

>>3618994
>RUBY IS A WEBCOMIC IT'S NOT A GAME IT'S A WEBCOMIC NOTHING I SAY CHANGES IT IN ANY WAY
I just got this funny mental image of this guy sitting down playing D&D with some friends. He pounds the table angrily, shouting at the DM.
THIS ISN'T TRADITIONAL GAMES, THIS IS JUST STORYTELLING. IF ANY OF YOU OTHER SO-CALLED "PLAYERS" THINK YOU HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON HOW ANYTHING HAPPENS YOU'RE FUCKING DELUDED AS HELL. WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE LISTENING TO HIM TELL US A STORY. CALLING THIS A "GAME" IS A JOKE. SAGE.

>>3619017
MICK

This is now a weird looking Mick Jagger thread.

>>3619029
That argument doesn't apply to D&D though, because the players can interact with the game. In drawchat you can only wait to see which vote was chosen, at the very best and then wait for the next panel to be drawn. Are you playing a movie when you shout DON'T GO IN THERE if the character happens to not go in there?

>>3619027
>How about I write FOOD on some bleach and you eat it?

>>3619029
DRAWFAGS! I call upon thee to draw of this awesome shit!

>>3619033
Forgot my Mick.

Stat me!

10th level human ROCKER

>>3619036
>That argument doesn't apply to D&D though, because the players can interact with the game

>>3619039
Nah, we don't want to draw your previous post.

Sage for shitty draw requests.

>This thread

>>3619044
Are you attempting to imply that you personally played a game during the posting of the ruby comic?

What game did you play? A "guess which yelling guy will turn out to be the one who guessed the next panel" drinking game?

>>3619036
Yes.

>>3619040
cha 29
wis 8
int 10
con 12 (still alive? how!?)
dex 12 (dancing)
str 8 (he'll never be your beast of burden)

>>3619036
But our suggestions DO actually influence what happens. There've been several points during the game where Weaver's had to stall because he said that he didn't anticipate our actions and he had to draw something accordingly.

>>3619053
Jesus christ I lol'd.

then felt old

>>3619050
>>3619036
You believe that the players have no agency in the story whatsoever -- that all actions are predetermined and the players are merely a completely inactive audience with no power over the diegesis -- and you've chosen to ignore all proof to the contrary.
There has been plenty of proof along the way, and if it hasn't convinced you, nothing I say will.

How deliciously fitting that a man complaining about someone who ignores the suggestions of those around him should argue in exactly the same manner.

>>3619059
Lets see, or he got a phone call, or he realized he'd made a previous mistake and had to compensate for it, or he got tired of posting and grabbed some food or he got too many PMs on irc from fans and had to answer them all, or nobody guessed the correct answer and he needed to remove his trip and post the correct answer himself after waiting 5 minutes for the right answer (teleporting spikey glove)

>>3619050
I'm sorry, but I know for a fact these aren't railroaded. I have TRIED railroading a Dorf Quest thread - it was far too boring. I cannot imagine someone willingly subjecting themselves to that.

In addition, there's plenty of random actions Weaver should not have seen coming, such as the Prickle Fist or rescuing Jay or saving Stitches. And I REALLY doubt Weaver bothered to samefag up his own thread to make ridiculous responses appear for him.

The man is just talented; stop being retarded.

>>3619059
>There've been several points during the game where Weaver's had to stall because he said that he didn't anticipate our actions and he had to draw something accordingly.
Don't bother. He's just going to say that Weaver was lying and that your suggestions were, in fact, all according to his master plan.

He'll say that Weaver's long pauses here were just another elaborate means of throwing everyone off the scent of what surely was, in fact, a railroad from the start.

>>3619069

I was WONDERING where I'd seen you before. I just couldn't put my finger on it.

>>3619065
Or, after having a completely linear experience that let you down you justify the time spent with rabid fanboyism and internet celebrity worship.

Either way, this thread doesn't belong in /tg/ any more than any other fan art/fan info thread.

>>3618919

I told Tom to kill filbert with his MANLY PHYSIQUE. I got a crowning moment of awesome.

>>3619069
The developers of A Vampyre Story were "talented" compared to the drivel knockoff you keep trying to shit all over /tg/ with.

Raise your standards and keep your drawings on the DRAWING board.

This calls for a quote:

"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

>>3619069
DORF QUEST FUCKING WHERE?

>>3619073
>He's just going to say that Weaver was lying and that your suggestions were, in fact, all according to his master plan.
Called it.

I think the biggest flaw in the "it was all pre-drawn / railroaded from the start" argument is that for the huge majority of the time, the actions that were taken were largely in keeping with popular demand. Even some of the stranger requests or splits were generally agreed upon.

So if this WAS all a railroad, then Weaver accurately predicted, from the start of the story, EXACTLY how the entire story was going to play out, and how everyone would react to it EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
So either he's not railroading, or he's got an downright godly understanding of the human psyche. And in the case of the latter, I'm impressed anyway.

>>the ENTIRE chatlog
>>chatlog

Comon, don't you fuckers have an email list or something?

>>3619089
>>Weaver is Tzeentch.

>>3619084
On Saturday at 10 pm Central time, every week, until both Beardbeard and Aldwin are dead.

Again, in Beardbeard's case.

>>3619081

Forgot your Sage, buddy.

>>3619077

No fanboyism on /tg/? F'real? Well, we better get rid of all the Warhammer 40k and D&D.

>>3619077
>I'm going to ignore your entire argument and just call you a fanboy.
oh snap

>>3619091
>>FUCK ORIGINAL CONTENT LETS HAVE MORE 40K 4Ev3E AND STATME THREADS

>>3619089
Are you kidding? What about the teleportation to get the barbed wire that nobody but one guy asked for (after a long time of same suggestions that didn't involve the prickly fist) when there's no fucking way we'd have been allowed to teleport around to get something earlier. Then MOMENTS later (the next frame) the fist comes into play.

>>3619096
Uh, I like RubyQuest. I don't like shitty knockoff quest. Why don't you get back to your own shitty thread?

>>3619097
>>I'm going to pick the word fanboy out of a post and not read the response to my post within that post.

>>3619107
Because I was the one who posted this thread?

And someone asked where Dorf Quest was?

>>3619091
>>3619081
>>3619077
>>3619066
>>3619050
>>3619036
>>3619027
>>3618994
Same bitter faggot.
The clockwork-regular gaps in posting (and the fact that he only makes one sage every ten minutes, due to the flood detection) are kind of pathetic.

ITT one very, very determined troll.

>>3619102
Except that Weaver said the FIST WAS NOT NECESSARY TO PULL OFF THE PAINTING COVER.

Hell, the prickly fist was used ONCE, to punch Filbert, and that took place a lot later.

Also, there was no teleporting involved. They were right there next to the barbed wire and already had the gloves.

>>3619102
>I'm so detached from reality that I can't realize that you can be capable of tearing some paper from a picture with your bare hands.

THIS is your only "proof" about railroading? The one that cancels out all the evidence to the contrary? Man, you're pathetic.

>>3619116
ITT: /tg/ = /v/

We are becoming a seething mass of hate. Not cool guys. Not cool.

>>3619119
No, we had the gloves and if you read the archive you'll notice that we did in fact teleport to get the wire, and that I personally commented on it. Of course Weaver stated that we didn't need his plot device to advance the plot.

>>3619039
>>3619057
>>3619069
>>3619102
>>3619091
>>3619082
>>3619089

SAME GUY CLOCKWORK REGULAR SPACING, ONE SAGE EVERY TEN MINUTES DUE TO THE FLOOD LIMIT, I CAN SEE THE PIXELS

>>3619126
Just one example. And "all the evidence"? I haven't seen a single shred of evidence beyond "I guessed correctly, I must have made this happen."

>>3619102
>the teleportation to get the barbed wire
The barbed wire that was in the exact same room as she was? Yeah, I teleport when I need to pick up things that are right next to me, too.

>Then MOMENTS later (the next frame)
Six frames later.

>the fist comes into play
Ruby just tore the parchment out of the frame. The fist wasn't needed (and if you paid attention, wasn't even used).

Thank you for proving once and for all that you don't even understand what the fuck you're complaining about.
Now that that's settled, I'm going to get some sleep.

>>3619127
clockwork regular.

>>3619137
I suggest you check the log again before bed and get some accurate information.

WE PLAYED RIGHT INTO HIS HANDS

>>3619132
Some of those arn't me. I'm >>3619137

>>3619144
He's right.

>>3619127
Ok, here is where Ruby is sitting when she made the prickly fist.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3429234/#3429389

The shutter that the barbed wire was covering is RIGHT THERE IN THAT ROOM. WITH THE GOAT SKULL.

Also,

HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU FIGURE SHE NEEDS GLOVES TO PULL BACK A SHEET OF PAPER? THAT CONCLUSION IS SO STUPID IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT

We put the hand in the pneumatic tube, nobody really objected to it and we realized right after that it was a retarded thing to have done.

>>3619151
I don't figure that, I'm the one who said "just rip it off" and then was shocked when we warped over to the other room that actually contained the shutter before ripping it off using the spikey glove. I've ripped the back off a picture, it's not hard you just poke it and tear.

>>3619151
Clockwork regular spacing. God damn you're a shitty fucking troll.

>>3619145
HE SAW THIS COMING FROM THE START
WE WERE PAWNS IN HIS LITTLE GAME

WAIT NO I MEAN WEBCOMIC
IT'S NOT A GAME FORGET I SAID THAT

>>3619153
Not to mention the pirate impression. It was fucking awesome, and I'm fairly certain Weaver didn't come up with it.

>>3619153
Ironically that probably prevented us from having to kill a psychotic Tom as soon as we found the hand scanner.

>>3619151
All right, that was meant to reply to >>3619128

>>3619157
>Clockwork regular spacing
>>3619150
>>3619151
>posts made immediately after each other
>Clockwork regular spacing

it's over
he's just breaking down now

>>3619160
We'd've lost the hand after Daisy's attack anyway, just as we lost our awesome hook and everything else we had at that point. The hand would've probably turned out from the locker room tube for some reason anyway.

>>3619155
>we warped over to the other room that actually contained the shutter
That never happened.

>>3618873
>>3619163
Same terrible poster.

>>3619169

>>3619169
Who the fuck cares?

>>3619160
No. It didn't.

Ok, lets say we didn't send the hand to the chute. What happens then?

Well, we keep it until we get attacked by Daisy, and then we black out.

At this point, our inventory is removed. Do we get the hand back? We barely got anything back...

But ok- lets say we DO get it back immediately. We found the hand scanner when we saw Red. Tom wasn't there.

....Uh.. that's it. Sending the hand up the chute actually CAUSED that rift between us and Tom (unless we weren't supposed to have kept the hand, in which case nothing changed)

>>3619164
Actually it probably would have ended up in Red's room, seeing as he was the one who took our stuff. I think.


Anyway, everything after >>3618848
is pretty pointless.

>>3619179
>Actually it probably would have ended up in Red's room, seeing as he was the one who took our stuff. I think.

Then where was the hook? I'd've loved if we got the hook back.

>Anyway, everything after >>3618848
is pretty pointless.

Pretty much. We're all arguing about retarded stuff with trolls.

>>3619183
I expect the hook was probably hidden in the room Red blew up.

>>3619179
Exactly. After a certain point I stopped trying to suggest things and just read the logs. It was a lot less effort than spending four hours going "god damn, he always picks the terrible suggestions"

>>3619155
You weren't the only one bro, I screamed that too but then deleted my posts. LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN.

>>3619189
>I'm bitter he didn't accept my suggestion to have Ruby shit in Tom's mouth
someday

>>3619193
>You weren't the only one bro, I screamed that too but then deleted my posts. LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN.

I always felt like such a DICK posting this picture in every thread.

I mean, it needed to be done, but I wish I didn't have to.

Y'know I can't help but wonder if either Ruby or Tom spent some time as terrible mutants as well.

>>3619163
>>3619137
>>3619183
You ever wonder if filling a thread with catty responses to trolls isn't really just making things worse? How about we just ignore the trolls or go to the IRC channel? I've rarely seen trolls in IRC.

>>3619155
No teleporting happened.
Ruby left the dummy room, went upstairs, then went into the cafeteria. She sat down, considered things, then made the prickly fist with the barbed wire that was right next to her in the same room. She then went up another floor, used her third eye, played with the painting a bit (trying to read it, look behind it, etc.) before finally just ripping out the parchment.

No teleporting involved. No going to the painting, then going downstairs for the wire, then back up to rip it.
You are remembering it wrong.

>>3619200
Perhaps there could be an FAQ that is required to read through before you can enter any board?

>>3619203
We all feel so intelligent that we want to spread it around and post witty and oh so smart responses for trolls. Unfortunately, we're not smart enough to ignore them entirely.

>>3619194
>I'm bitter he didn't accept my suggestion to have Ruby shit in Tom's mouth
I felt like the entire board was screaming it at him, but he just railroaded us through and completely ignored my requests for scat.
How can you say you love someone when you won't even eat their poop?

>>3619203
>IRC

IRC was completely in support of the #6 is a Shape-shifter theory.

Now, back in the day where there were like 10 people MAX? Shit got done. Discussions, theories, shooting down theories.

Then people started believing magic shapeshifters from the planet Imaginary were INVADING METAL GLEN and.....

>>3619210
These weren't parts of the FAQ, they were things that needed to be done if Weaver was to fit everything in 4 threads.

>>3619201
> Y'know I can't help but wonder if either Ruby or Tom spent some time as terrible mutants as well.
Oh, I'm sure they did at some point. Some of their 'runs' were probably better than others. Sometimes they made it as far as Bella. Other times Ruby probably slipped going down the ladder and cracked her skull open.

Given a YEAR of possibilities, and seeing all the chaos in there, things must have played out in a massive variety of ways. I'm sure a bunch of the time Ruby and Tom found themselves bitter enemies, maybe with one (or both?) of them being horrible abominations, tearing each other to bits.
I'll bet it was one of these 'bad runs' that Tom wrote the "don't trust #7" note.
Then again with all the shit going on, who knows? Maybe he was intentionally throwing himself off, or throwing #5 off (it was in his locker after all), or maybe he was just stirring up shit for no reason, or he got tricked, or Ruby turned on him, or God knows what.

So many possibilities.

>>3619230
You know, I just realized. It actually makes me feel a little better about Ruby killing Tom to know that Tom must have killed her a few times, too.

>>3619217
I do remember. And I've been a very firm advocate of taking this work of art out of the sea of piss since before it got bad, knowing that eventually people who can't look past the usage of familiar characters from an award winning, creative and amazing game in a new setting would come and try to ruin it.

I would like to point out that they were anthropomorphic animals because in line drawings like that it's easier to differentiate between stick figure cat and rabbit than stick figure people.

>>3619246
I would like to point out that the characters looked like that in Animal Crossing and it's difficult to recognize familiar characters if they're drawn as people.

>>3619246
Oh obviously.

Hell, anthromorphic animals used as characters in a game for easy contrast has been in play since day 1.

It sure "helped" Ruby quest along though. Christ, people believing because Ruby LOOOVED Tom she would never kill him in a setting where people HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO GO BATSHIT CRAZY.

Come on. Oh well, the good thing about RQ ending is that we won't have to deal with that.

>>3619230
What so you decided to be productive all the sudden, Clockwork troll?

Well I can do it too.

I can do it too indeed.

>>3619260
Been in play in games involving visual art. Like video games. I don't recall anthropomorphic animals being used for contrast in roleplaying games, except perhaps social contrast. If anything, the AC characters were used in the RE environment for shock value.

>>3619271
Actually, part of the reason cartoons often use animals is because it's easier to differentiate the characters and make them visually unique in that way.

This is also why there are so many different races in most fantasy settings.

>>3618960
As I don't believe anyone has answered you yet...

I don't recall all the details of it, I know it was in the RQ thread where we found out the fish had arsenic... but sometimes fish contains arsenic. It doesn't hurt them because they just store it in thier muscles or some crap, but when someone comes along and eats the fish without cooking it proper, as you metabolise the meat, the arsenic is released into your system where it can kill you.

Ok, I think I understand what happens... A patient is revived via the lockers which, if I remember correctly, is connected to the Cold Storage room. They are revived and most of the mutations are removed. They mutate over time if they receive the treatment, and are somehow wounded. Without the treatment, they would stop mutation, and eventually need nourishment like normal. It seemed as though a number of the patients grew paranoid and insane either from the treatment, the evil, or just from the overall exposure from the environment and situation they are in.

My theory:
I believe that the Dummy is the main source of the evil. It seems alive, was discovered in the same room with the growth, statue, and the eye dial. Seeing how this could be an ancient evil, the Dummy is like the embodiment of some god, the statue is what people worshiped, and the eye dial could very well be his holy/unholy symbol of power... or something like that. It was probably the one that was trying to reach out to Red and the staff to unearth it. It was probably also controlling Ace, perhaps because he had a weak mind.

It think that this entity feeds off various emotions of the infected people. It doesn't want people to leave so that it would be discovered and effectively dealt with. Well, that's my theory...

Also questions I have:

What would have happened if we continued to use Ruby's third eye? Would said effects still take place now that Ruby is no longer infected?

Is it a possibility that if we used Tom's Manly Physique to an extent, would he have gone into a murderous rage and kill anyone he sees? (Tom's attack on Filbert still seemed like he could distinguish friend from foe.) Also, like the above question, would this effect continue even after they have escaped?

>>(Tom's attack on Filbert still seemed like he could distinguish friend from foe.)

I just want to say that was badass, though.

"TOM HAS HAD ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT."

>>3619311
>>cartoons
>>animals
This shit again?

Fuck.

Tom uses MANLY PHYSIQUE.

It's super effective!

>>3619382
>Is it a possibility that if we used Tom's Manly Physique to an extent, would he have gone into a murderous rage and kill anyone he sees? (Tom's attack on Filbert still seemed like he could distinguish friend from foe.) Also, like the above question, would this effect continue even after they have escaped?

I think the madness was just what happened initially. After the first couple months of craziness, everybody reverted back to normal(ish), no longer being murderous berserkers - unless driven mad by more conventional means, such as what probably happened to Filbert and Nook.

So no, I doubt Tom would go on a murderous rage. And while we're here, I also don't think that Ruby would've been corrupted from the overuse of her eye: It simply reacted pretty badly with all those evil symbols around.

Y'know what's been bugging me almost more than anything here? If Tom hadn't wasted time by explaining the situation for Ruby, and then wasting time even more by kissing her, they could both have had enough time to get out and close the hatch before Ace got there, Stitches or not.

wait am I getting this right? the red stuff/brig room was a shapeshifter, so it wasn't falling apart, just moving to the hidden room?

>>3619913
Climbing a ladder can take a while, depending on how its structured, how careful you are, and how big it is.

That said, I think Weaver said he wanted the scene to play out that way so Stitches could appear to bail Tom out

>>3619913
>>Y'know what's been bugging me almost more than anything here?
Nope. Nor does anyone give a fuck.

>>3620058
Do I detect a subtle bit of bawwwwwwwing about a railroad? Whatsamatter? Didn't Weaver do exactly what you wanted?

Awwwww......... ;.;

>>3620133
Speak for yourself, troll.

>>3620140
Sage for you personally, shitposter.

>>3620155
Better shit than troll.

Boy did this discussion turn out nicely.