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    159 KB AdMech response to STC discovery Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:26 No.3556122  
    Ok, plot.

    A group of four (rank seven) acolytes were called in to help with scouting a bunch of ruins recently discovered on a dead planet in the Calixis sector. During their searching, they combatted a number of thinking machines, and know enough to know that these are considered a BAD THING by the adeptus mechanicus and by imperial law in general. Unfortunately, upon discovering a large data device that held several hundred full STC templates for as many devices, weapons, and vehicles, an over-zealous Adepta Sororita destroyed the device with a flamer, thinking it may be part of the thinking part of the machines in genreal. The information is unrecoverable.

    The official report by these acolytes contained information about the device and its apparent properties. The Adeptus Mechanicus read the report due to their own findings of thinking machines on the planet. However, this device appears to have been the only STC-Related equipment on the planet.

    What does /tg/ think would be a reasonable response to what happened here? How would the AdMechs react to the destruction of this item? How would the Inquisition react to the AdMech reaction?

    Just curious.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:29 No.3556158
    Loss, nay willful destruction of an STC fragment? They would go APESHIT. Expect a strongly worded letter at the very least.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:31 No.3556178
    I don't think they'd care. I mean, AdMechs don't want people advancing technology anyway, and high-tech is considered borderline heresy.

    In short, way to go Sororita! Show us your tits.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:32 No.3556187
    STCs are Sacred.

    Also that Sororita will probably be a servator as soon as word gets through
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    >I don't think they'd care

    >Destroying a functional STC
    >I don't think they'd care

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:34 No.3556204
    The Sororita, IF lucky will simply get turned into a servator. If shes not, then the worst fate the inquisition or AdMech can give a person.
    >> Sage McSagington (Inquisitor, Ordo Fureticus) 01/29/09(Thu)17:36 No.3556222
    Your entire party are turned into toilet servitors-if you are lucky.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:37 No.3556225
    The minute AdMech learns about this, they will hear the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" for fifty sectors.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:37 No.3556229
    at the very least she would be turned into a servitor. the inquistion would have to sacrifice her to preserve relations.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:38 No.3556235
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:38 No.3556239
    The AdMech is able to worship something other then the God-Emperor and not get purged. Think about how much influence they have in the Imperium. Secondly, as already said, STC's are considered the most sacred items to the AdMech. If a Sororita destroyed it she would probably receive a fate that even slaaneshi cultists would cringe at.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:39 No.3556244
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    Soroita needs to make a new character.

    The AdMech will torture her to death. The Inquisition will let them. After all, the Sororita isn't an Inquisitor; acolytes are supremely expendable. And imagine the bargaining power the Inquisition would have had with the AdMech if the team had recovered the patterns instead of destroying them. The Inquisition should be almost as pissed as the AdMech.

    Sororita is done, no burning fate points or anything, just done, make a new character. Other acolytes are in trouble (though not fatally so) for not stopping her.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:42 No.3556263
    Was there a Techpriest among the acolytes? Because he's going to get punished too for not going out of his way to stop the destruction of an STC. According to Admech doctrine, he should have done anything, up to and including killing the Sororita, to protect the STC.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:42 No.3556265
    Just how rare are STCs? Can't the AdMech reverse-engineer them? Or are they not going to do that?

    Just what does an STC do anyway? Is it some kind of universal constructor?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:43 No.3556271
    HOLY SHIT TURN HER INTO AN ARCO-FLAGELLANT FOR HER TRANSGRESSIONS. Then send the party on a very dangerous mission as penance.
    >> Frazer 01/29/09(Thu)17:43 No.3556274
    Agreed. The STCs aren't just useful technical documents - they are imbued with a spiritual significance which elevates them to sancrosance. They are the Holy Grail of the Quest for Knowledge - there is no such thing as too many resources spent tracking down the barest rumour of a scrap of a printout, never mind an actual system. They are Holy Scripture, the original fount of knowledge from which mankind supped and justified his sentience. That "over-zealous Adepta Sororita" desecrated a holy relic. Would you tolerate it if the tomb of Christ was being used as a midden?

    Reasonable response? The loss of one or two STCs would be bad enough, but HUNDREDS? This is a gross insult of such severity that it could spark off a civil war!

    The Calixian tech-priests could respond to this in two ways - the mainstream response is to punish the Adepta Sororitas of the Calixian Sector institutionally by refusing to supply them with equipment and exerting their influence over civilian manufacturers to effectively boycott all sales to the Battle Sisters. A particularly outraged faction of Calixian tech-priests could begin machinating a punitive terror campaign against the Sororitas, bombing priories across the Sector - which dangerously escalates when a sabotaged Blackship unleashes a psyker hell which is only narrowly contained.

    Your Acolytes are thus drawn into a sector-spanning campaign - they have to rush from Fenksworld to Calth and back again, trying to dampen down the spreading fires before they burst into open conflagrations by entreaty, persuasion, mind-control or assassination, and in the meantime defeat Logicians and other heretical cults who are looking to aggravate the tension for their own ends.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:44 No.3556278

    >Just how rare are STCs?


    >Just what does an STC do anyway?

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:46 No.3556294
    The last time someone recovered a useful STC they were rewarded with their own star system.

    That STC was for a combat knife, of the kind a guardsman keeps in his boot.

    Sororita is dead. Entire team is fucked. AdMech and Inquisition will both be out for blood.

    Imagine that all the world's technology is run by the Catholic Church. Imagine that they place little to no value on human life. Now imagine that they find out someone found the Holy Grail, shat in it, and then launched it into the sun.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:46 No.3556299
    >several hundred full STC templates for as many devices
    >destroyed the device with a flamer

    Summon the Titan legion and assemble the skitarii. It is high time we showed those dogmatic scum the wrath of the Machine God.

    Lol seriously, Horus bought HALF of the Mechanicum with two blue prints from STCs and some warp-tainted technology that was not all that it was made out to be. Several hundred STC templates? Oooooh God...
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:47 No.3556304
    OP, this is where as a DM you backpedal a bit and say that the data storage device didn't actually contain the STC's themselves, just a map to their location. That way you can still salvage the situation.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:47 No.3556310
    The ultimate goal of the Cult Mechanicus is to understand the Omnissiah. The communal and personal attempt at this is known as the Quest for Knowledge. The Cult believes that all knowledge already exists, and it is primarily a matter of time before it can be gathered together to complete the Quest. It is therefore disinclined to perform much original research. Some original research does happen, but its results are quarantined and tested for very long periods before being put to further use.

    Disciples of the Cult Mechanicus strive to achieve a kind of enlightenment through their studies and biological/mechanical symbiosis. This is known as the Quest for Knowledge. The Quest for Knowledge is encapsulated within tenets of the Cult, which dictate the goals and behaviour of every Techpriest. The most important tenets are known as The Sixteen Universal Laws. These laws are divided into two categories, “The Mysteries” and “The Warnings”.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:47 No.3556314
    >Just how rare are STCs?
    Rare enough that the AdMech will send entire fleets out over just a rumor of a supposed STC.

    >Can't the AdMech reverse-engineer them? Or are they not going to do that?
    That would be considered HERESY for reason I can't remember right now.

    >Just what does an STC do anyway? Is it some kind of universal constructor?
    A fully functional STC contains the sum total knowledge of humanity. Basically every single weapon, machine, device, EVERYTHING ever made by humanity and complete blueprints on how to make them, as well as every other single factor that can be taken into account when making them.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:47 No.3556316
    This is awesome and you should feel awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:48 No.3556319

    The Mysteries

    1. Life is directed motion.

    2. The spirit is the spark of life.

    3. Sentience is the ability to learn the value of knowledge.

    4. Intellect is the understanding of knowledge.

    5. Sentience is the basest form of Intellect.

    6. Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.

    7. Comprehension is the key to all things.

    8. The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all.

    The Warnings

    9. The alien mechanism is a perversion of the True Path.

    10. The soul is conscience of sentience.

    11. A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah.

    12. The Soulless sentience is the enemy of all.

    13. The knowledge of the ancients stands beyond question.

    14. The machine spirit guards the knowledge of the ancients.

    15. Flesh is fallible, but ritual honours the machine spirit.

    16. To break with ritual is to break with faith.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:48 No.3556324
    I think he is right.

    OP, you should give your four people a chance to flee, become renegades, go chaos, mercenary...something...

    other then that, they are a good as dead
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:48 No.3556328
    I wonder if the STC and Machine Minds are under the control of our friend The Computer
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:49 No.3556331
    A SM scout team discovered an STC design for an advanced knife. They were each given their own PLANET to rule. Any STC at all is MASSIVELY VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:52 No.3556352
    Op, I’d like you to imagine what would happen if you were to find the True Cross. not a fragment, the actual cross that Jesus Christ was nailed to. Hell, why don’t we say you also found the genuine Holy Grail and the Spear of Longinus. Now imagine that the Pope knows that you found them. And not just the present one – imagine we’re dealing with a fiery tempered medieval pope with a penchant for relics, one whose word is considered law across huge swathes of Europe.

    Now imagine that he not only knows that you found all three of these relics, but didn’t hand them over to him. And that instead of handing over, you decided to burn them all. But before burning them, you decided to take a long, slow dump on each of them. And he has written proof (proof that YOU YOURSELF have written) that you have done these things. What do you think his repsonse would be? He might be just a tad upset, no?

    The kind of response the pope would have would be roughly equivalent to the response the Mechanicum would have if the acolytes had burned ONE STC system. Fortunes for entire dynasties of dissolute nobles have come from the discovery of just one functioning STC. The Mechanicum have been known to divert entire crusades on the merest hint of a single broken STC.

    They’re dead man. The Mechanicum are going to hunt them down like dogs and kill them. And once they’ve killed them in the most excruciating ways possible, they’ll revive them, bring them back to full health and kill them again. They’ll relax the ban on inventing new things just to create devices to torture them. They’ll do things to them that would make a Haemonculus sick. They’ll do things to them that would make the Chaos Gods go “oh steady on, that’s a bit much.”

    Happy bunnies they will not be.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:53 No.3556363
    How fast does it make knives? Do we have a knife-gun on our hands?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:53 No.3556372

    Holy shit. Sauce?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:54 No.3556380

    This. If you don't want your entire plot to be "the AdMech goes to war with the Ecclesiarchy" then you've got some retconning to do.

    And keep in mind, the AdMech is very, very powerful. They own star systems, they run EVERYTHING technological, they're an empire within the empire. The Imperium can survive without the Church, though there would certainly be problems. It cannot survive without the AdMech.

    Regardless, that Sororita is dead, dead, dead.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:55 No.3556392
    Watch the worlds they got were Deathworlds...
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:56 No.3556395

    And the Inquistition aren't going to touch this one with a mile long barge pole. Anybody from the High Lords of Terra down,who even attempts to shield them is going down to.

    There isn't a Techpriest in this party is there? If there is and he/she hasn't attempted to rip the Sister apart with their bare hands then they're doing it wrong.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:56 No.3556400
    this thing is worth A SOLAR SYSTEM and you want to make a gun out of it?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:56 No.3556404
    what kind of reward would a guardsmen that find a STC that creates Iron-man like armor expect?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:56 No.3556407
    So what could I expect as a reward if I found an STC that produced baneblades? Or titans? Do titan STCs exist?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:57 No.3556411
    A Standard Template Construct (STC) is an instructional blueprint (often including its own instant construction factory) that was originally designed back in the Dark Age of Tech to provide colony worlds with basic designs for the various highly important and practical technologies that colonial humanity relied upon.

    After the end of the Dark Age of Tech, when most of the means to create good technology was lost, the remaining STCs became the Mechanicum's only source for nonheretical "new" technology--as it had already been designed and used, and is not sentient, the Techpriests assume it is utterly free of corruption, not to mention full of awesome lost tech, and doubtlessly very effective.

    Undiscovered STC blueprints are incredibly rare, as most were lost in the chaos following the Dark Age, and as such, are considered holy relics by the Priests of Mars. Most of the items used by the Imperium's armies (including the Leman Russ Main Battle Tank, whose STC blueprints originally detailed a type of farming tractor) can be traced to one of the dozens of STC discoveries that have happened over the past 10,000 years. Each STC has the potential to contain lost tech of incredible importance--such as how to make plasma rifles that work right, how to make gravity plating again, how hover-tech works, how to make superior powered armor, even simple things like improved Soylens Viridians processors, or how to build a better Ratling trap.

    Most STC sites reveal only one or two blueprints. The loss of hundreds of STCs is almost grounds for Exterminatus of the defiler's home planet. Mars will be pissed.

    And no, they can't just reverse-engineer it. They don't even know what the damn things looked like because the Sororitas blew the blueprints up. Besides, reverse-engineering lost tech without having any blueprints to work with skirts the edge of Heresy.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:57 No.3556413
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:57 No.3556417
    OP, a lot of people are telling you to kill the PCs, but that's stupid.

    The Admech is part of what keeps everyone ignorant of machines. That forced ignorance is what caused the destruction of the STC. The admech is really at fault.

    They should repent their ways and start allowing more machine education. This could be the start of a less grimdark and more techno-friendly future!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:58 No.3556419
    Bolter to the Head.... :D and then the commissar gets everything
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:58 No.3556420
    the admech would go apeshit and start a war on the inquisition.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:58 No.3556421
    I think it makes far better knives, rather than making normal ones faster.

    Do you want it made right or made fast?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)17:58 No.3556424
    you know, if I was running this I would just say "it wasn't really an STC you destroyed" because I get the feeling that the player in question didn't know. the characters should be expected to know certain things about how the world works even if the players do not.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:00 No.3556450
    The most reasonable response is pressuring the Inquisition to immediately declare the offending Sororitas as Excommunicate Traitoris and punishment of the sector's Sororitas by refusing services and goods to them for centuries to come. Extensive bombardment of her homeworld is probably in order. Hell, the entire fucking party would probably be declared Excommunicate Traitoris by their own fucking Inquisitor just so he/she doesn't get fucked in the ass by the AdMech. THAT'S how badly she fucked up.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:01 No.3556451
    Hundreds of STCs? Motherfucker, you should tie that bitch to a table, tear her nipples out of her breasts, forcefeed them to her, shove your hand up her ass and pull them back out, then you should rape her ears until she dies.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:01 No.3556455
    >Adepta Sororita destroyed the device with a flamer
    Even in the grim darkness of the far future, women will still manage to fuck shit up.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:01 No.3556456


    >> Frazer 01/29/09(Thu)18:02 No.3556466
    >>do titan STCs exist

    No, they don't - Titans were an original creation of the Mechanicum during the Age of Strife, while STCs contain pre-Strife technology only.

    The Dark Age of Technology did have giant robots analogous to Titans - one of them is the subject of a Grey Knights novel - but the classic Imperator, Warlord, Reaver, and Warhound classes are all original.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:03 No.3556472

    You're an acolyte. The greatest reward you could ever dream of is your inquisitor not planting their boot up your ass after the next mission.

    ...and that's pushing it.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:03 No.3556477

    You don't nescessarily have to kill them right away, but you have basically burned your bridges with every Techpriest who knows. The party will be enemies of the Mechanicum on top of everything else. If they don't get labelled Traitoris Extremis right away (and believe me, the Mechanicus will go that far and further) then they will take matters into their own hands and hunt them themselves. And the Inquisition relies to heavily upon the Mechanicum to really do anything about it - really, almost all Inquisitors will just wash their hands of the matter rather than risk getting involved themselves.

    They might possibly be able to get help from Techpriests who don't know who they are yet, but as soon they do they will be Public Enemy number 1. It might make things interesting and challenging, but it'll be a pain in the neck trying to get anything done.

    Still, you're the boss.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:04 No.3556483
    Although a STC Equivalent of a Titan would be so powerful it'd probably break worlds in two!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:04 No.3556484
    Heresy AND stupidity. We aren't telling him to kill the PCs. We're telling him what the AdMech's reaction to such things will be.

    Backpedal for the love of the Emperor, DM. Say it reveals how to find some STCs, and then send them on a quest to find said STCs, before the AdMech can kill them for making the quest a little harder. And pray, pray to the Emperor their Inquisitor can keep the AdMech from finding out for a month or so.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:04 No.3556488
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    Ok, guys, gotta clear something up.

    An STC isn't a factory, it's a blueprint. A fully functional STC would be a computer with the blueprints for all the technology that was current when it was set up.

    Given that the STCs were made in the Dark Age of Technology, that's much higher tech than is available in M41. If a fully functioning STC was ever found, the AdMech would be able to jump a couple tech-levels and get decidedly Culture. Of course, this will never happen, as it would advance the plot.

    What's generally referred to as an STC (Standard Template Construct) is a blueprint for one or two things. A knife, for instance, or a tank. But keep in mind: Dark Age technology. So, much better than anything that can be made without an STC.

    So, an STC isn't just a priceless relic, it's instructions for manufacturing a limitless supply of priceless relics.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:05 No.3556495

    This could be done nicely in-game as the Acolytes are all being strapped to some torture device while the Admech version of Revolver Ocelot watches gleefully, and then a messenger techpriest comes in saying something like "They misinterpreted the nature of the device! It wasn't the STC's themselves they destroyed, just a map to them." Points at the acolytes: "Release them." The Ocelot techpriest looks disappointed. Messenger points at Sororita: "Not her."

    Prior to this you need to make them properly understand what incredibly deep shit they are in, so that they all can breathe a huge sigh of relief when this scene happens.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:05 No.3556496
    I think the one in the that novel is called the castigator
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:06 No.3556498

    Gotta have the most Dakka
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:07 No.3556501



    (wait, what do you mean we're stranded planetside now?)
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:08 No.3556510


    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:08 No.3556514

    >So, an STC isn't just a priceless relic, it's instructions for manufacturing a limitless supply of priceless relics.

    It is, however, worth noting that the Adeptus Mechanicus considers an STC program a priceless relic in of itself.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:11 No.3556541
    OKAY OKAY OKAY. I thought of a great way to salvage this.

    Every last one of those STCs were STCs for blasphemous machine intelligences, Iron Men, quantum supercomputers, sub-sapient PDA devices, etc. There was a high-ranking Magos who knew exactly what they were and where they were and was just waiting for an excuse to go grab them so that he could secretly experiment with them and perform tech-heresies of the worst kind.

    The party is declared excommunicate traitoris and they must survive. They are contacted by a techpriest who is working for their inquisitor (or another one if he's not Ordo Hereticus) as a sleeper agent underneath the heretical magos. They need to sneak into the area where the printouts and dataslates that could implicate the heretical Magos and sneak or fight their way out. They eventually come across the Magos himself and some ancient salvaged Iron Men with gauss flayers (reverse engineered millennia ago from an improperly entombed Necron army) and when they come out on top and arrest or kill him they are arrested themselves by ad-mech who then find the proof of the magos' tech-heresy. They are then awarded an apology by the AdMech and re-instituted into their Inquisitor's service. He sends them a message via astropath amounting to JUST AS PLANNED LOLOL I WAS SPY(ing on the magos) ALL ALONG and the name of a man who can get them some good stuff for cheap as well as a bonus for each acolyte.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:11 No.3556545
    OP, this is such a massive fuck that new words need to be made just to describe how much of a fuck up this is.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:12 No.3556555
    More like:


    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:13 No.3556565

    >Every last one of those STCs were STCs for blasphemous machine intelligences,

    Like I said




    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:14 No.3556574
    The AdMech will write a letter of disapproval. On the planetary crust of every planet the bolterbitch's order has chapterhouses on.
    Then the Inuiqsition for that sector can't get dick from the AdMech for the next tenthousand years.
    Then the Inquisition will hunt down every last surviving member or relative of a member of her order. The lucky ones will be allowed to be simply servitors working in sewage treatment plants, while still being able to feel.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:15 No.3556578
    Yeah how about no?

    Personally, I think>>3556495
    is the best solution.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:16 No.3556592

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:16 No.3556594
    > Deus Ex Machina > interesting and compelling adventure

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:16 No.3556595



    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:16 No.3556600
    More like 'while still being able to taste', because they'll be processing sewege with their bodies for the rest of eternity.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:16 No.3556603
    Tell the AdMech the Sororita was possessed by demons.

    Tell them the Order where the Sororita came from is heretical.

    Send in Skiitari, Imperial Navy and Space Marines on the entire Sororita Order. Watch fireworks.

    Grab a beer at the Winchester, relax and get the next mission from the Inquisitor.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:17 No.3556611
    the iron men STC was a factory
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:17 No.3556612


    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:18 No.3556619
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:19 No.3556624

    Yeah, but only if at least some of the map is still salvageable. If it's not then they're still in unbelievable trouble.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:19 No.3556629



    (please dont strand us)
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:19 No.3556631

    And Squats can't look u
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:21 No.3556639
    Um... Guys can you stop fighting! WE NEED HELP WITH THE DEMONS! AND WE NEED MORE LASRIFLES!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:22 No.3556651

    I'M DEAD
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:22 No.3556659
    So the fact that the Adeptus Mechanicus, Inquisition, and Navis Nobilite can each totally fuck over the next, creates a perverse sort of balance of power, and is probably the only reason that anyone in the Imperium can get anywhere?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:23 No.3556670

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:23 No.3556671
    What would have happened if they hadn't blown it up? If a goddamn knife got some scouts a planet each, the acolytes would have been awarded anything they wanted. Anything. At. All. Either way, the balance of the game is greatly disrupted. You should definitely retcon this, say that the blueprints were actually maps to blueprints, but they managed to get a glance before they were burned. Otherwise, you're acolytes are so boned that the English language doesn't have a word for how boned they are.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:23 No.3556675
    Pretty much although according to the UltraMarines they're the ones who make everything work but they're idiots and no one really likes them.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:24 No.3556678
    "I'll hold them off, you kill the Emperor!"
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:26 No.3556701
    Do this.

    Your sororita is dead.
    There's no stopping that.

    However, if her actions revealed it to not be a collection of STCs, but instead somewhat readable directions to an STC (that they can still decipher somewhat), the AdMech would decide to kill her and force the rest of you to take them to the device, where they would probably send you on a suicide mission to find it, or become servitors and help anyway.

    Regardless, it would be funny if you found one and it turned out to be a printout for something retarded like a loom.
    >> Phobonaut !tTBC.7oEaQ 01/29/09(Thu)18:26 No.3556706
    Well, if rocks falls, everyone dies, except Sol, Ultramar and Vulcan.

    Especially Vulcan has some good survival chances.

    Seismic activity would seriously hamper Necron and Tyranid activity, and with the fall of the Imperium, the Vulcanians can pretty much turn anyone they want into Space Marines, they have more than enough gear.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:27 No.3556709

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:27 No.3556712
    They would each have their own personal space marine chapter for carrying out the day to day tasks of running their new sector.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:27 No.3556713
    Am I the only one here who likes conspiracies within conspiracies, heretics everywhere, intense battles, sleeper agents and espionage?

    Nobody ever likes my ideas :(
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:28 No.3556720
    Fuck it. just have it turn out that its actually a drawing of someone giving the middle finger.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:29 No.3556727
    For as jacked up as it's become, it's still amazing that they're held together mostly by the Emperor.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:30 No.3556741

    I thought it was brilliant, a good way to save a hopeless situation plus some more HIGH ADVENTURE for all involved.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:31 No.3556750

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:37 No.3556798
    Find a fully function STC and the Imperium will screw the shit out of all it's enemies(well, maybe not the Necrons).

    AdMech destroys the Inquisition and the Imperium is free of one fucking heavy burden.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:38 No.3556806

    Yeah, I thought it was one of the better more original ideas.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:40 No.3556832
    When an AdMech acolyte discovered the STC for a new pair of socks, he was made governor of a planet by the AdMech.

    Destruction of STC data containing countless weapon designs, vehicle designs and utility devices? Take the worse thing that the Imperium can do to someone, and times that by nine-thousand.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:43 No.3556858
    As news that hundreds of STCs were BURNED climbed up the AdMech ladder, hundreds if not thousands of high ranking Tech Priests would explode from sheer rage. The Sororita who did it would be in a bottomless shit pit.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:43 No.3556862
    >AdMech destroys the Inquisition and the Imperium is free of one fucking heavy burden.

    Suddenly, Chaos, Necrons, Tyranids, Orks, Traitors, Rogue Psykers, and rebellions all tear the Imperium apart, system by system.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:44 No.3556873

    One of the things it does that a lot of people have overlooked is maintain the status quo, which is nigh-impossible in any other situation.

    We've pretty well established from a fluff point of view that there are far-reaching and absolutely brutal consequences. But from a player point of view, it's quite harsh. How knowledgeable are the players in 40k lore? OP, I hope you told the Sororita how terrible an idea that would likely be before the deed was done. Otherwise you set the stage for a major cataclysm, good or bad. I'm all for giving the party a chance to redeem themselves from their idiocy.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:44 No.3556875

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:45 No.3556886
    I am a Necron fanboy, but I have to say that an Imperium with widespread fully functional STC technology would rape the shit out of them.

    Guardsmen with power halberds? Landspeeders everywhere? Proper Baneblades with automatic targetting systems (as opposed to ones that need twice as many people due to manual gunnery), terminator armour back in production, etc....

    Although it's still possible the AdMech would just horde everything and only make it on Mars in tiny quantities. Fucking AdMech.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:46 No.3556890
    Enough rage to give Obi-Wan a brain aneurysm.
    >> Phobonaut !tTBC.7oEaQ 01/29/09(Thu)18:47 No.3556900
    Hey! You're not a technician! You're a fleshy machine!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:47 No.3556909
    Am I the only one wondering how OP could even let his players screw up so much?


    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:47 No.3556910

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:48 No.3556920
    That was my primary concern, yes. I mean, it would make sense that an STC database inside of a place full of machine intelligences would contain STCs for the construction of machine intelligences. It makes for a fun and dangerous adventure, which is certainly better than the OH IT WAS JUST MAPS LOL cop-out and makes their Inquisitor look like a crafty motherfucker.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:50 No.3556932
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    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:51 No.3556945
    Ask Commissar Fuklaw if stupidity is heresy.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:52 No.3556958
    Clearly she and her accomplices were agents of chaos sent to destroy valuable weapons against the enemies of humanity.
    They must be tortured to until they not confess to this, but realize it, then they will be tortured to death.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:53 No.3556966
    I would backpeddle the situation if I were you. I have to agree with the other Anon that said this.

    Hundreds of STCs? If that sort of thing was lying around it would have been found already. It's a big galaxy after all.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:53 No.3556970

    Fucklaw says that questioning is heresy and proceeds to power bat you into redemption.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:55 No.3557000

    It's a movie-esque one-in-a-trillion serendipitous event. Believe it!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:57 No.3557024
    >Hundreds of STCs? If that sort of thing was lying around it would have been found already. It's a big galaxy after all.
    >it would have been found
    >It's a big galaxy after all.
    >it would have been found
    >It's a big galaxy after all.
    I think you should reconsider this.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:57 No.3557028
    I didn't ask him, I told the other guy to ask him.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:58 No.3557043
    You clearly don't understand how the Administratum works. So much goddamn bueraucracy that records of the world's location were lost for thousands of years. That sort of thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:58 No.3557051

    Fucklaw hears all, and conspiring to question is heresy of the highest order. Bonus power bats for you, son.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:58 No.3557052
    >Hundreds of STCs? If that sort of thing was lying around it would have been found already. It's a big galaxy after all.
    >it would have been found
    >It's a big galaxy after all.
    >it would have been found
    >It's a big galaxy after all.
    >it would have been found
    >It's a big galaxy after all.
    >Dental plan!
    >Lisa needs braces!
    >Dental plan!
    >Lisa needs braces!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)18:59 No.3557060
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    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:01 No.3557081
    That would a subset of being able to feel in this context.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:11 No.3557174
    People have said this already, but...

    You'd better hope you were wrong about it being an actual STC, because everyone associated with this catastrophe is fucking DEAD. Your Inquisitor unless it's Lord Inquisitor whatshisname is dead for recruiting idiots.

    You think the AdMech will stop at sanctions and excommunication of the Ordos Calixis, whatever Order the SoB belongs to, and probably the entire sector in general? Fuck that, they have their own killers. Disguised Luminen, Secutors, sniper-Servitors, every covert Mechanicus force from sectors around (not just Calixis) are going to be out for blood. They'll pull just about anything they can: browbeat the Assassinorum into sending operatives, silence the Inquisition with threats of sanctions, cut off supplies to Ecclesiarchial Worlds until they excommunicate your party, and call in old favors from Space Marine chapters and planetary governors. Every waking moment the team will be running from things like Secutor assassins, flocks of tech-cultists, normal citizens who have been informed that their hive is no longer being supplied with heat and power because they haven't turned the party in...

    And when they are caught? Well... that's not even worth talking about.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:12 No.3557184
    I do actually realise the error in what I said here.

    There was an internal logic there, but it vanished as soon as I hit the send button. This is what happens when you post hungover.
    >> Red Wat 01/29/09(Thu)19:14 No.3557192
    And that's if they don't simply trap the runaway retards in a hive and then nuke it till it glows.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:14 No.3557194
    Everyone in the party burns a fate point to not get raped by AdMech. This results in any number of backpedals already listed.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:14 No.3557197
    If you can backpeddle OP, I suggest you try and do it.

    Either that or the party have just volunteered for the next raid on a Necron Tombworld! Why sent a squad of space marines on a suicide run, after all, when you can send the acolytes and kill two birds with one stone?
    >> Fexy !Efchz00JLk 01/29/09(Thu)19:18 No.3557227
    I don't think the AdMech is going to up and destroy any full part of the Ecclesiarchy, because then the whole Imperium would go through a worse civil war than the Age of Apostasy.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:20 No.3557238
    Wait. Wouldn't the Imperium in general be pretty pissed? I mean, sure, AdMech would be a fuckton more pissed, but that's the legacy of Mankind's technology and better years.

    AdMech may start a civil war.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:21 No.3557242
    I don't think you quite grasp the significance of a device that contains HUNDREDS of STC designs. STC designs for useful things as well, things the Imperium likes like deadly weapons and armoured vehicles. It'd be a small wonder if the AdMech didn't start Jihading against the whole Imperium.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:23 No.3557256
    They wouldn't destroy an entire Order of SoBs. Probably her specific Priory, and covertly (with an unfortunate reactor meltdown). The rest of the SoBs of this sector would be put on absolute weapons and armor embargo until the culprit was found, and their teachings examined to prevent this from happening again. Without weapons and armor they can't properly crusade, and without ships (the Ecclesiarchy has ships but without techpriests maintaining them you're not going far) they can barely even travel in-system.

    They would however impose extreme sanctions on the Sector Ecclesiarchy unless they turned a blind eye to the deployment of tens of thousands of assassins on a Sororita (& company) who technically belongs to said Ecclesiarchy.

    tl;dr The Ecclesiarchy turns a blind eye because they pretty much have to. Same for the Inquisition. Both of those organizations know that a single person or party isn't worth these kinds of confrontations.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:23 No.3557263
    Exterminatus falls. Everyone dies.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:25 No.3557274
    And at least some SPESS MEHREEENS chapters would help. As would any Imperial citizen who knew anything at all about what an STC is.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:28 No.3557308
    Dear OP.

    Start new campaign. Pretend this one never happened.

    There is no hope now. What you have allowed is equivalent to having Grey Knights/Custodians go chaos and kill the Emperor.

    tl;dr you are a shitty DM for allowing this to happen.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:32 No.3557339
    A data device of this magnitude is such a huge deal, it is way out of the league of a band of Dark Heresy acolytes. It shouldn't really have been part of the game.

    Let's reverse the situation: what would have happened if they players had turned in the STC storage device? First of all, they'd have been sainted by the AdMech at the very least, if not been given a high-five by the High Lords of Terra.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:36 No.3557375
    What stupid ass idiot played the sororitas character?
    OP should beat him IRL with a wrench to express the anger of the Machine God.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:39 No.3557407

    The entire admech bursts into rage-filled tears and then joins chaos for no other reason than to fight the sisters.

    Like, even if the Emperor himself woke up the next day and pardoned them, the Admech would still probably try and kill them.

    Granted, the Emperor would probably want them dead for such a waste of useful tech as well.
    >> Red Wat 01/29/09(Thu)19:41 No.3557423
    That could also be due to the short circuit produced by a) extremely strong emotion and b) salt water added to their systems.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)19:47 No.3557479

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)20:00 No.3557626
    this happens >>3556495

    then I have a solution they all burn all fate points and go to rank 2

    time reverses ant there all are all back right before she fires
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)20:09 No.3557698

    The admech can't reverse engineer shit. They don't know HOW anything works, they just know 'push button A, turn screw five times counter clockwise while chanting hymns to the machine god, sacrifice hamster and use its blood as lubricant to appease the machine spirit, remove power cell, replace with fresh cell, repeat process in reverse order, congratulations you've changed the batteries in the commisar's TV remote." They've turned science into a religion and do everything by rote memorization. Actually thinking about what they're doing is forbidden.

    That's why they want the STC templates. They were the key to everything in the Golden Age. They show you how to make ANYTHING out of almost ANYTHING. And there's less than a dozen templates in admech hands, or in the known universe. Most were destroyed long ago. Finding an STC template is like finding one of the Emperor's diaries. If you give it back to who it belongs to, you can name your reward. A computer FILLED with templates? The characters could all be system governors. Hell, maybe even high-level administrators in line to become High Lords of Terra. That computer was the GM handing you the keys to massive wealth and power. And the bolter-bitch destroyed it.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)20:33 No.3557836
    So what the fuck was going in the Sororita player's mind?
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    Meanwhile in the warp.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)20:37 No.3557862

    And cloned.

    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)20:41 No.3557894
    AdMech knows how most of their stuff works and conducts research on lost/alien tech. The problem is in their belief in machine spirits. Alien tech has none and is therefore heretical, profane and dangerous, while messing too much with imperial gear might injure their machine spirits, which is I believe a rather bad thing for a techpriest to do. But they do science and modify stuff.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)21:36 No.3558445
    I still don't think that we've quite nailed down just how fucked the party is.
    The Adepta Sororitas is fucking gone, there will be no evidence of their passing, no written records. That whole fucking branch of the Ecclesiarchy will die in ways so horrible that Khorne will be sick at the bloodshed. Everyone who ever met a Sister is dead. Every planet the Sororitas operated on is subjected to Exterminatus via Nova Bombs. Every Organization in the Imperium will assist. Anyone who even protests this, let alone sides with the Sisters will suffer the same fate. The bloodshed will be Crusade-level. The AdMech will spare no effort or expense, all that will be left is a whiff of ozone from the Melta fire.
    And this will be seen as very reserved.
    You didn't find a relic here, you found their fucking faith, and then destroyed it with a gun THAT THEY BUILT FOR YOU.
    You didn't destroy their Holy Grail, you destroyed their Jesus.
    There is no retcon that can save this campaign. Scrap it, kick the Sororitas Player out of your group, cry in the shower for a little while and then go back to D&D, because you're not allowed to play 40k anymore.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/09(Thu)21:42 No.3558519
    They're going to pattern your brains Machine-Spirit style into ten thousand servitors just so they can torture you ten thousand times, then do it again. Forever. You are so beyond fucked that if you had the powers of the Emperor himself and twenty legions of Custodes are bodyguards you'd STILL be fucked. Suicide by drinking Drano is the best fucking thing you could do for yourself, because if they find your body and you didn't die in horrific pain they're going to resurrect your ass and make sure you get it right this time.
    You are fucked^1000*1000.
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    Why, civil war of course!
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    You have a massively fucked party, the AdMech would kill all of them, and they would do it ceremonially with extreme prejudice. The entire party should now make a nothing but a tech-priest party and go BACK to the ruins to examine it in full for as long as it takes to completely dismantle the ruins looking for anything of interest, to the AdMech. This excursion would require a Magos Prime leading it with at least 2 other magos assisting him in his endeavor. they would require a Skittari Consul to lead the militaris witch would be anywhere around 500 Hypaspist to secure the planet with at LEAST 2000 menials of the AdMech searching. You can expect the entire planet to be occupied in the name of the Omnissiah with a very real possibility of it's inhabitants being enslaved by the AdMech so as to assist them. The Origonal party (long dead at this point) would then most likely have the worst fate known to the AdMech inflicted on them. Their names would be completely expunged from all records along with anything they have done for the Imperium. You can even expect their friends and anyone to have worked with them to be brutally questioned by the Inquisition with suspicion of DOUBLE heresy!

    and by the name of Omnissiah THEY FUCKING DESERVED IT! LET ME AT THOSE BASTARDS!!!
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)00:39 No.3560406
    got to tables 7-11 throught 7-26 in the dark heresy rule book and roll on each table with a +20 modifier on the rolls. Now inflict the results on the Adepta Sororita all at once. Now do it to everyone she has ever touched. this would be an act of mercy.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)00:48 No.3560487
    The loss of several hundred STC patterns along with human built thinking machines (Not all that bad in the eyes of the AdMech, as long as they have them) is likely to result in a war of insane proportions.

    Fuck the PC's (they mean nothing), it is highly likely that the AdMech would go to all out war with the Inquisition in the sector, confident that the conclave is attacking them directly. Eventually calmer heads on both sides would ease the situation and it'd all be resolved, but not without alot of grimdark.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)00:57 No.3560563
    Several hundred STC patterns? The destruction of such an unceprecedented cache of Archaeotech would result in a war.

    You don't just destroy that many STCs! The sensible thing to do would have been to kill the zealot that torched them, and then reported that apart from a few heretical machines nothing was found. And try not to dwell on the giant loss for the Imperium.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)01:01 No.3560597
    I'll just chip in and mention that I now officially hate the adeptus sororita's, and THAT ONE in PARTICULAR.

    Give her to me, bound. I shall make sure that she realises what she has done. FOR ETERNITY.
    I will put her in a plastic bag, with breathing holes.
    I will then hook her up with just the bare essential nutrients that she needs to surive, including drugs to keep her concious.

    I will then dip the bag in cement, while making sure that she still gets the air, nutrients and drugs she needs to be alive and concious.

    I will then display her cemented form in the halls of my forge. Every day I shall find new ways to torture her rigid and helpless form. I shall chip away at the cement, and burn her toes. I'll flay the skin and muscles from her hands and pour salt on the bare flesh beneath....
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)01:01 No.3560598
    Wtf were you planning to do if they hadn't destroyed the STCs? You realize that the game would be over at that point? I'm not talking about your game, I'm saying that if you let them recover several hundred STCs you would have broke the entire campaign. Unless you were completely done with the game and wanted your players to never, ever come back or talk to you again, then there is no way any of this should have ever happened. EVER.
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    What a crappy gamemaster.
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    You didn't think to point out to anyone that this was a bad idea?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)01:46 No.3560985
    Nothing happened at all. What is this Calixis sector you speak of? There? Why thats jus dead planets and empty space. Nothing and no one was ever there at anytime pas future or present.

    I think thats how they would re act. Every single planet, ship, orbital dockyard, asteriod, and what ever the fuck else is in space would be completely destroyed. The planets would be purged of all life and then cracked open. The chunks would then be atomized.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/09(Fri)02:40 No.3561449
    Guys, I think we're being a little EXTREME here. I mean, surely the AdMech are reasonable guys! Your party will just go up to the Magos or whatever, and be like "Sup, we were up in ur catacombs burnin' ur techz."

    I'm sure everything will be fine.

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