I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS BUT I FIGURE ACE GOES IN ALL FIELDS

Please don't archive this thread, /tg/.

Anyone want to bet Ace is a good guy trying to contain the unpredictably homicidal Ruby?

Obligatory: The current accepted theory for Ace's actions.

>>3388254
Those videos were very OH FUCK OH FUCK
WHY RUBY WHY
TOM NO DON'T
SHIT
IT'S- it's over? Oh, thank goodn-
OH FUCK WHY

Whatever Ruby was before, she clearly isn't NOW.

Red's reaction to her sudden violent outbursts suggests a deeper meaning, an implication of something more than just violence. It also indicates she hadn't been violent before.

Something CAUSED this, and the ramifications were more significant to what caused Ruby's violence than to her violence itself.

Whatever happened to trigger all this is more important than one it actually triggered.

Ace is the only character I want to see get out of the metal glen. Fuck Ruby and her homicidal shit, fuck Tom and his sex drive, Ace is the only one who has any redeeming qualities AS SEEN ON THE FUCKING VIDEOS and is acting for a purpose other than to harm the main characters.
Probably just trying to save them.
What does he get?
Jabbed in the knee.
Then stabbed.

I think at this point it's pretty clear Ace is just an orderly/security guard/janitor. He's an all-purpose worker and his single-mindedness suggests a devotion to some higher direction.
The real question now is "Who's giving Ace his orders?"

>>3388277
The only thing we've seen Ace do is fix a pipe and restrain someone after they became violent.

At best, he's an orderly. At worst, he's an automaton.
He comes after Tom and Ruby with an aggressive stance, lunges at them, tries to grab them, and later comes after them with some kind of harpoon-like... well, whatever the fuck THIS is >>3388224

...ALSO WAIT
DIDN'T THAT FANART COME FIRST?

True Story

>>3388279
Ace to too awsome to take orders. He just hears words and does whatever the fuck he feels like.

>>3388254
Yeah. I'm getting Loyal But Dumb Construct vibes from Ace. Also, enjoy SporeAce.

I think I'm fucked up.

I want Ruby to fuck me while she carves out my insides with a scalpel. SO FUCKING HOT

>>3388279
Red was ("was" being the operative word). What happened to make him go insane and apparently lose what authority he had in the place? Was he insane when he killed the previous incarnation of Ruby or just disposing of a faulty model? If the later is the case, what changes were made to this newer version of Ruby?

>>3388315
I remember reading a scene like that in Fulgrim.

>>3388295
Yes, it did.
And he only brought it after we left our crowbar IN HIS MOTHERFUCKING KNEECAP.
He bleeds, he thinks, and reasons, and fucking retreated even. He's bigger than just "The Antagonist".
Also he just might have saved Ruby.
Twice.
He must have got her out of that box after Red left her there. He must have put her in that coffin for a reason instead of MURDERING HER.

>>3388315
That boy needs therapy.

femmeace?

>>3388277
Wait, you want Tom to die because he looks at a chicks ass? And no redeeming qualities....excluding the whole 'bravely save ruby from explosion, put self between Ruby and Horrific Bird Hulk, and acting like the only fucking sane person in here' bit?

>>3388357
Tom is the only sane character when you think about it. Ruby's mind is getting bombarded by the hivemind of thoughts from Anonymous. I assume that's how it works. That's right folks, every time you suggest a command you clutter Ruby's mind.

>>3388357
The only crime Ace ever commited was being a mute. Look at all the shit he's been through now. He's been blown up, stabbed, and fucking impaled. He desurves to get out a biiiit more than tom who just threw up and lost an eye.

>>3388335
lie down on the couch

what does that mean?

>>3388335
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0

>>3388375
You're a nut

Crazy in the coconut

>>3388384
What does it mean?

>>3388386
That boy needs therapy.

>>3388334
Personally, I think this adds credence the the theory that Ace can only handle one objective at a time. For example: We know Red was terrified of Ace catching him. When Red kills himself and Ace appears for the first time, he ignores EVERYTHING except Red's corpse, which he quite gently kneels down to retrieve. Everything, including Tom, Ruby, and a bomb he may or may not have noticed. Ace is Singleminded.
Second time around, he goes straight for Ruby, unarmed, and attempts to grab her. Tom then STABS HIM IN THE FUCKING KNEE WITH A CROWBAR and they run. Third time he brings a weapon, because from his perspective they are actively trying to destroy him. Ace is Intelligent.The weapon is clearly home-made. Ace is Resourceful.
Finally, we spear him through the fucking chest. Ace retreats. Even though he apparently feels no pain, Ace is self-aware and understands that a) too much damage will kill him and b) Tom and Ruby may be too dangerous to engage using simple force. He's either gone off to get further instruction or he is setting up an ambush. NEITHER BODES WELL; REMEMBER THE POISON GAS?

In any case, I worry that by having him attack Ace, we've made Tom a target for retaliation. He seems to be working down a checklist:
FIND RED: CHECK
RETRIEVE RED: NO LONGER POSSIBLE
FIND RUBY: CHECK
RETRIEVE RUBY: PENDING
???

What's next? Is he going to go after fucking STITCHES?

>>3388426

I don't think he really cares about stitches.

It's pretty obvious that Ruby has some significance with whatever changed the facility, and whoever is giving Ace orders probably knows this.

>>3388426
>>3388426

>>3388426
I always thought of it more like remorse. Like "OH HAY GUYS WHATS... oh god no..."
>>3388357
And how do you know Ace isn't after Ruby's ass? He seems to like her a hell of a lot more than Tom. So there you go, everyone's a winner.
Except Red.
But he's a winner in his own mind so there you are.

>>3388456

>>3388463
Even Weaver admits Red 'won'. Ace never got him, he never turned into a crazy mutant, and he never never never

>>3388484
Are you suggesting suicide is the answer?

>>3388484
Even Weaver said "In his own mind."
Do you consider Red a winner?

>>3388334
>He must have got her out of that box after Red left her there. He must have put her in that coffin for a reason instead of MURDERING HER.
Don't mistake his motives as helpful just because the actions he takes can benefit people besides himself.

Ace's motives for "saving" Ruby from the crate after Red's attack are NOT necessarily as helpful as they seem. He could be using Ruby (and Tom, and Red, and so on) for his own purposes.
If Red really DID have a justification in attacking Ruby -- if for some reason Ruby's death would have solved something more serious -- then Ace undermining Red's actions, while apparently helpful, would actually be seriously harmful.

We don't know enough yet, but we can't simply assume Ace is on the side of good.

>>3388426
Was Red trying to escape from Ace or something else?

>>3388456
Haha, I also though of Ace as the T-800

>>3388503
Saving Ruby from the crate? Are we forgetting the corpse in the crate with the three eyes? That Ruby is dead. This Ruby probably began life in that coffin.

Speaking of which, something must have happened to rip Clone Ruby's coffin off the wall in that new room and drop it through the floor into the room where she woke up initially. Ace?

Ace's motives are very ambiguous at best. Perhaps he acts as some sort of "lawman" in metal glen? i mean, we know that both ruby and red are shown assaulting people. Maybe he is attempting to detain them?

Red would seem to have been detained for a time in that little room above the monitor room, and his escape is what triggered Ace's pursuit of him. And red saw that death was preferable to being detained any longer.

>>3388530
I think it's clear from Red's suicide note that he was trying to escape from Ace. Exactly WHY, however, is open to interpretation.
Obviously he wasn't trying to escape from just Ace for Ace's sake, but for whatever capture by Ace would have meant.

>>3388530
Trying to escape from Ace. He left a note, addressed to Ace, saying "TRY AND CATCH ME NOW." It was attached to a bomb.

>>3388484
Yeah, kinda. I mean, can you really see a happy ending tor Red? Even if he got out of there alive? REALLY?

>>3388456
I did have thoughts that Ace might be some sort of a monstrous killing machine much like the Terminator. The fan art seems to have pushed the whole Pyramid Head thing on him though.

>>3388575
>>3388349
If normal Ace is portrayed as a hulking mass I think it should be fair that Fem-Ace should be extremely busty.

It would also would be an polar opposite of Ruby's extremely flatness.

>>3388607
Why is ruby so flat anyways?

>>3388560
I think she only saw that body because part of her couldn't forget being killed(?). It's always been the same Ruby, barring the Blanca theory.

Best of both worlds?

>>3388560
My theory is that the Ruby "corpse" she saw in that crate was a flashback to her near-death experience following Red's assault. Having established her participation in this 'program' and her amnesia, I would theorize that her hallucinations are visions of the PAST, not the future. She's remembering.
The corpse is representative of her time spent in the crate, waiting for death, before Ace found her.

>>3388580
>can you really see a happy ending tor Red?
It's even worse when you realize that the experimental treatments (whatever they are), which are assumedly what set everything in motion and began the corruption and downfall of reality in this entire adventure, was Red's idea.
He must feel pretty guilty about that.

What the fuck is all this ruby shit fagging up my /tg/?

>>3388581
LOL THAT WAS ME. I DID THAT.
>>3388503
All of Ace's actions, and even Red's note, points to Ace being on the side of Ace, first and formost. Red addressed the note to him because, even if he's not in charge, he must be the only one to weild such... 'authority'.
Lol ripping apart the wall above the Z hatch.
>>3388565
HOLD IT HOLD IT HOLD IT. What if it wasn't Red's escape, but rather his willful destruction of the moniters that triggered/intensified Ace's pursuit?

>>3388581
Yeah, to be fair, we don't actually know what Ace is. We're assuming he's a bird, but we honest to god don't KNOW. There's no eyes or visible line to suggest that 'beak' is a mouth; it could just as well be some kind of REALLY WEIRD exosuit, like the plague doctors that showed up the first time he was seen.

>>3388565
This is pretty much what I thought. He seems to fulfill the role of general muscle and dogsbody; we see him fixing a pipe in the security recording, and then we ALSO see him apprehending Ruby and leading her away. He clearly has a position of some sort of authority, but he is also clearly below Red.

Personally, I assumed that Ace 'arrested' Ruby, she was then released (or cloned, or whatever) and then Red, possibly feeling slightly psychotic from the healing cubicle's effect on his mouth (conjecture. may not have happened, but given that he has a crazy fucked up laughter face we can assume he treated it at some point) beats her half to death and leaves her in the Do Not Open box.
Ace finds her, and ascertains that Red is responsible off-camera. I think at this point they said that they caught him and put him in cubicle 6, in which case he evidently somehow escaped, and Ace has been looking for him. Red is afraid of Ace because he does not want to be caught and jammed into the box again. PROBABLY because he knows what they fucking do to people; he is a scientist living above a security room full of camera feeds and he has FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE after all.

>>3388622

>>3388581
Well, there's the whole faceless thing going between the two, and the whole dauntless demeanor.

>>3388607
I agree with this man.
>>3388644
Fucking NICE. Even better that it doesn't make ace the bad guy. He isn't We don't know what he wants, but it DEFINATLY isn't to harm Ruby, at very least. It might not have been to harm Tom either, that one might have changed though.

>>3388625
I don't know. I think it is a bit of a stretch to say that the corpse was symbolic and insubstantial. We know we can't trust what Ruby sees to be real, but we do know that there is some kind of cloning or something going on from what happened with the liquified Stitches. That is unless someone managed to piece what was left of him in the z-hatch back together.

>>3388644
>then Red, possibly feeling slightly psychotic from the healing cubicle's effect on his mouth (conjecture. may not have happened, but given that he has a crazy fucked up laughter face we can assume he treated it at some point) beats her half to death and leaves her in the Do Not Open box.
Red makes a clear and willful decision in his journal the very day that Ruby assaults him. I believe he didn't attack her out of madness or revenge, but for some deeper reason. It was what CAUSED her violence that made Red react the way he did. Red recognize what was happening, even if we don't, and for whatever reason concluded that attacking/killing Ruby was the solution.

ALSO. IMPORTANT.
Red was NOT remanded to Cell #6 the day he attacked Ruby, but rather, THREE DAYS LATER.
I believe Red was confined to Cell 6 for an entirely separate reason. I'm sure his attack is in some way connected, but it's not why he was moved to Cell 6.
Something HAPPENED on November 1st, which is when he was imprisoned. The day Red went from Staff to Patient.
The November 1st incident... what WAS it?

>>3388711
But we also know the corpse was probably a hallucination. Tom didn't see it, and when Ruby looked a second time, it wasn't there.

>>3388654
Cheer up, girls.
At least you have each other.

>>3388715
True, but Red has shown that he's pretty good at hiding and running. It might have just taken three days to apprehend him.
Of course, that's never how it happens in media, so who knows.

>>3388642
Yeah, it could have been that, which might also explain why he's after Tom and Ruby AGAIN even though they've both 'served their time' (although killing the Hound, chopping Stitches head off and being in the same room as Red's horribly mutilated corpse when he arrived might have had something to do with it).

>>3388690
Given Ruby's past record, Ace may have been ignoring our attempts to reason with him because we were HOLDING A KNIFE AND STANDING NEXT TO TOM. Disarm first, listen later. He seems the pragmatic type.

>>3388690
>What Ace wants... DEFINATLY isn't to harm Ruby
NO, WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
There is absolutely NO definitive evidence Ace does not want to harm Ruby WHATSOEVER. In fact, there is significant evidence to the contrary, that he is a hostile force and WILL cause harm to Ruby.

What about the #6 being Blanca, the shape shifter theory. Blanca takes Ruby's appearance and attacks both Red and Tom. I don't know of any motive, but Weaver said #6 was clearly visible in the video. If Ace was the only one in contact with #6, could it be possible that #6 killed or trapped Ace and took on his appearance later on to escape confinement? This might explain some of Red's strange behavior (the abomination mouth, which can also be linked to treatment). This is just my reasoning so far.

>>3388715
Think about it, though. Did Red want to kill her, or merely get her out of the way? He smacks her once and she goes down, and then he KEEPS PUMMELING HER. The first signs of regeneration sickness shining through?
Also worth mentioning that the whole insanity angle may have absolutely nothing to do with regeneration at all. Remember that Red heard strange voices in his head long before ANYTHING started going wrong.

>>3388734
Entirely possible. There was a makeshift bed and a nearly-empty box of cereal in the crawlspace above the security room. Red has been LIVING in there, potentially for quite a long time. Would Ace think to look in there? Would Ace even FIT?

There's also the issue of WHAT or WHO killed #1 (who is confirmed to be stitches, yes?)
Was it ruby (or possibly her doppelganger) like with what apparently happened with Tom?
Or did the treatment kill him? He seems to have the worst "mutations" of anyone else allegedly affected by the treatment. So did an "overdose" kill/revive him?

>>3388767
The only evidence you have to support the whole crazy "shapeshifter" theory is that Weaver said we could see #6 in one of the two end cutscene videos, and that would include everyone in the picture, most of whom we can't even make out.

This whole shapeshifter thing seems pretty tacked-on, actually. It doesn't make much sense in the grander scheme and it's rather trite. More importantly, there's no solid evidence whatsoever to support it, and plenty to support other, conflicting theories.

>other, conflicting theories

Such as?

>>3388715
"Hoped the death of patient #1 could have been overlooked..."
The only one who interfered with Red's concilment of the murder was Ace. Red's actions... are difficult to decern, mabey he was suffering a mentle breakdown making it nessissary to capture him the three days later, or his actions started to go against his superiors, but it seems clear to me that Red and Ace were NOT working towards the same means.
>>3388736
Quite right. I like your thinking there. I think Ace would have made some attempt to communicate if he was able... that thing on his head... that's not his face. No mouth no eyes, something up there...
But what about him dragging Tom to the room? Do we actually know if it was Ace whose responsible for Tom losing his eye, the second time, or was that after/during/an accident unrelated?

>>3388789
Yeah, I REALLY don't like the shapeshifter theory. It seems like taking the easy way out to be honest, and compared to some of the awesome mindshittery Weaver has thrown our way so far it feels practically hackneyed. Remember that we are in a place where impossible things may happen that the world has never seen before. In an increasingly large portion of the base, up is down. Ruby has terrifying visions and then they turn out to be relevant. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Ruby blanked out and something else grabbed hold of her body and got stabby with it; note her blank expression in the security feeds. No anger, no hatred, no shock or surprise, just "I am doing this thing with my hands and your face. The hook is going in. Now it is coming out again. Yes. Yes, this is what is happening."

>>3388821
>Such as?
Ruby being crazy? Dementia brought on by medication? Violent tendencies? Red's journals noting Ruby's own violent actions? Tom's note to himself? Should I keep going?

The burden of proof's on you. And there's NO proof to support this stupid shapeshifter theory at all, other than a bunch of people reading way too far into one of Weaver's cryptic clues.

>>3388758
They why didn't he kill her in the coffin? Why did he not help Red conceal her body? Eh? Eh?
He is imposing, and threatening. He tried to grab Ruby, but could have harmed her several times beforehand should he have desired.

>>3388717
That doesn't mean that it wasn't there the first time. I wonder if there might be a hatch or a trap door under the box. But then that seems far-fetched as well.

>>3388736
An attempt to communicate with Ace should be made if we get the chance. Perhaps he could be detained somewhere? Given how he tore up the z-hatch, that may be tricky.

>>3388823
Don't know if Ace was responsible for Tom losing his eye. You'd have to check the archives and look at the security feed for when he was about to die and we sent him the antidote, but I THINK he had his eye then. Also note that room seems to be a sort of decontamination room AND it has a large, working monitor. Ace may have been dragging Tom there to say NOW SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND WAIT HERE WHILE I GET YOUR FRIEND SO YOU CAN RECEIVE INSTRUCTIONS THROUGH THE MONITOR AND WE CAN ALL GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. JESUS FUCK NOW SHE'S GONE RUNNING OFF INTO THE- WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT RED?

>>3388779
>Remember that Red heard strange voices in his head long before ANYTHING started going wrong.
No, Red started hearing voices before the treatment that he was championing was approved.

Maybe he was so adamant about starting the experimental treatment because he had already been using it himself.

>>3388823
>The only one who interfered with Red's concilment of the murder was Ace.
But Ruby was patient 7. Patient 1 had already died prior to these events.

You're all fucking wrong about ace.
See:>>3388263

>>3388847
The theory actually came from someone else's mouth; Weaver just responded with 'Subject 6 is clearly in one of the video recordings'. He could just be fucking with us, and he's just letting it continue to do an EPIC 'you fucking idiots' bit later that'll disprove even the possibility.

>>3388885
Holy shit that is actually a really good point.

>>3388879
Suggest we separate from Tom and next time Ace appears, we drop our weapons and put our hands up and clearly state "I surrender". If he's still wielding that godawful grapnel thing, he'll most likely either lower it too (which means he doesn't actually want to hurt us) or he'll come at us at full speed, which means JESUS CHRIST I THINK WE BLEW OUR CHANCE FOR TALKING WHEN WE STABBED HIM THROUGH THE CHEST LETS GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

>>3388873
Also, Ruby remembers Ace putting her in her cubicle. This could have been a kindly, self-serving or neutral act. However, she could be remembering wrongly. All we've seen is Ace holding the lid of something with a bright light behind him.

Remember when Ace found Ruby in the crate? He moved the lid aside and she reached up for him, so at that point she was still alive..

>>3388838
>note her blank expression in the security feeds. No anger, no hatred, no shock or surprise, just "I am a stick figure and have no subtle expressions."

>>3388909
"Clearly in one of the video recordings, but not in the manner (or possibly matter, which may or may not have been a typo) you expect" I believe were his exact words. Tiny figure in a painting seems to fit that, and we KNOW that Ace in the recordings and the figure chasing us are the same person, because Weaver was extremely pissed at us for not figuring it out yet.

>>3388873
>They why didn't he kill her in the coffin? Why did he not help Red conceal her body?
We don't know. His motives are completely unknown. It's unknown whether he finished her off, faked her death, or really did try to revive her and failed. We know NOTHING about his motives for recovering her body, so why would you immediately assume it was out of the GOODNESS OF HIS HEART?
If you're throwing around unfounded guesses, it would still be more likely to assume Ruby is simply more valuable to Ace (and his superiors) alive than she is dead.

>He could have harmed her several times beforehand should he have desired.
Which makes it very possible his motives or orders have changed since then.

I'm against even trying to speak with him unless Tom and Ruby are in total control of the situation. It seems like the perfect time for Weaver to throw in a 'You idiot, you killed a main character' part if we're wrong about him.

Either way, we do need to try to make sure Tom doesn't beat Ruby to death with a cane/spade first and foremost. Which way we going, /tg/? The split up option or the 'drop weapon and talk with Tom' option?

>>3388928
>I am a stick figure and have no subtle expressions.
Yeah, no characters in RQ ever show facial expressions.

>>3388928
That dog won't hunt mon senor! Weaver is capable of some surprisingly emotive expressions, as evidenced by the dozens of OH GOD TOM IS SAD GIVE HIM A HUG and JESUS CHRIST RUBY IS FREAKING OUT posts in the previous threads. Given that he can make his characters look sad, one would think he could make them look angry too given that all he would need to do is rotate the eyes slightly.

Here's another thing that popped to my mind: http://1d4chan.org/images/e/ec/Accident_report.gif

When we combine this with Red's disries, all evidence points in that Red was the "fatal accident". However, why is the report talking about her blindness? She could clearly see when she assaulted Red for the first time. Her eyesight also had no problem when attacking Tom after being declared dead: She looked directly at him, had no problem lip-locking with him, and could (apparently) walk out without fumbling.

Of course, her eyesight has had no problems ever since the game started, but I still think this is very relevant.

Took me long enough, heres what we got:

Suddenly, a flash of memory returns to Ruby.
The figure does not seem friendly.
She remembers the figure...
The figure is the one who put her in the locker

Ruby is drawing a blank, beyond the image of being put into the metal cell by the figure.
Tom says he recognizes them. It is the same figure that dragged him away to that room when he was suffering from arsenic poisoning.

Tom explains that he lost his eye while he was being dragged off to the room he spent the last few days in. The thing that brought him there did it.

Ace hurt Tom, but has been preserving Ruby. Huh.

>>3388947
>>3388958

I know you love the story, but be honest about it. We're dealing with crude, incredibly simple figures. They aren't going to have profoundly telling facial expressions.

>>3388946
That's pretty obvious; do both. Tom is freaked the fuck out by seeing us attempt and possibly succeed at murdering him, and he has found A NOTE FROM HIMSELF WARNING HIM NEVER TO TRUST US. Unless we find another document saying that Ruby was actually Subject 8 or whatever and Subject 7 is someone else entirely, chances are there will be no more hugs.
On the other hand, Ruby is understandably also freaked the fuck out. Suggest that we back away from Tom with our hands up so he doesn't feel threatened, then say we really don't remember doing any of those things, but we'll understand if he doesn't want to walk around with us anymore. Suggest we keep the walkie-talkies just in case, as Ace is quite clearly still lurking around somewhere and one-on-one neither of you stand a chance. On top of which, by stabbing him to save Ruby, Tom may have made himself a target as well.
If all goes well we can start reminding him that HE doesn't remember anything either, and that we've both saved each others lives (and had opportunities to horribly murder each other) dozens of times since then. Especially mention the part where we desperately tried to find an antidote for his arsenic poisoning. Especially do not mention the part where we gave him arsenic poison.
Job's a good'un. Chances are Tom won't want to turn his back on us for a while, but an ally who is keeping an eye on you is worth more than a terrified tomcat swinging a deadly spade at your face.

>>3388969
My theory is that it's all a red herring, because the accident report was faked. The strongest indicator being IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT. And even if everyone involved was so stupid as to assume being sealed in a crate with blunt force trauma all around her skull was somehow an accident, they had the assault on tape, so surely SOMEONE saw it.
Hell, the official report probably had her listed as falling down the stairs or something. They could use her blindness as an excuse to make the claim sound more believable, even if it was 'cured' by this point, because she would still be adjusting to her new sensory input.

So if it was clearly an assault and not an accident, why was it filed as such? Why cover it up?
It adds credibility to the theory that Ace (or his superiors) either wanted Red to think he had succeeded to lull him into a false sense of security, or they were simply using it as a front to continue even more twisted experiments on Ruby with no ethical intervention because she was already filed as 'dead'.

>>3388958
Oh, and furfags have been saying "Hug Tom" since the moment we got him out of that cell.

>>3389000
>They aren't going to have profoundly telling facial expressions.
...except we've just provided evidence to the contrary, whereas your entire argument is "let's face it, they don't, because they're simple".

>>3389008
Personally don't think Ace wrote the report, simply because it refers to him in the third person. He views the little symbol as his name and uses it as a signature, which seems to suggest that he thinks.. Well, somewhat normally. It's his name. He COULD have been referring to himself in the third person, but it doesn't seem likely, is all I'm saying.
That's not to say he's not in cahoots or just straight taking orders from whoever's behind it, though.

>>3388969
>>3388945
What gets me the most is that while Red reports Ruby's death as an accident, and Ace finds her and declares her dead, Red says it's unfortunate her death couldn't be overlooked. He never ment for the body to be discovered (Do not open). I think while Red was just trying to hide her, Ace found her and concealed her/helped her back to health/got her to aid without Red's knowledge, or ATLEAST reported the death to their supperiors.
I'm just trying to peice together why their actions more than just don't coincide, but rather seem to be in direct opposition to each other.

>>3388946
Splitting up in horror stories gets people killed. Drop the knife and talk. But then what can Ruby say besides, "I swear I won't kill you this time!"?

>>3389000

Weaver has shown, repeatedly, that his characters can have facial expressions representing distinct emotions. The fact that Ruby obviously has no facial expression whatsoever while she assaults someone is telling of something.

>>3389039
Like I said, it could be that his superiors made the report themselves, and he was just acting in their interests.
Ace finds Ruby, looks around, doesn't know what to do. Brings her to his superiors to decide what to do. What happens from there on out is their decision, and Ace is merely the enforcer of their word.

>>3389022
Your evidence is a picture of Red with sad eyebrows. Even Heston used more of his face to express emotion.

>>3389022
Example: When fighting the Hound, Ruby has an incredibly pissed off expression on her face. She then gets the scratch on her forehead which is in the same area as her clenched-shut eyes and looks very similar as they are just line drawings, but all three are instantly recognizable.
And besides THAT, even the most simplistic expressions would do; a slight narrowing of the eyes or a frown. She doesn't have any expression whatsoever; she just has a blank face.

>>3389042
>Red says it's unfortunate her death couldn't be overlooked.
Wrong. Red says the death of Subject 1 couldn't be overlooked.
Subject 1 is STITCHES.
Ruby is Subject 7.

>>3389008
Fuck yes my man.
>>3389042
And by reporting the "death" I mean "Murder".

>>3389080
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffff
uck
Well I give up on my theories.
Ace fucking rocks good night.

>>3389063
>>3389000
You know, by their very nature, simplified cartoons often excel at conveying emotion because they reduce a facial expression to its most important aspects.

Criticize the simplicity of Red's face in that panel all you want, but his expression and the significance behind it is clear and apparent. Lots of people responded to it, and the deeper meaning it suggested.

>>3389095
This gets me every time. Just because of WHERE IS MY FOOD

WHERE IS MEOW MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIX?!

>>3389053
Can we assume that Ace's superior is the character that appeared briefly on the monitor? Whoever he is, he doesn't look like he's from Animal Crossing.

>>3389044

She could point evidence: Because she was declared dead and in her coffin at the time, she has an alibi.

There's also the thing that neither of them remember this happening. Neither of them know of the circumstances involved. Even though the video evidence seems pretty clear, there are bound to be hidden variables.

>>3389113

Looks a bit like Tortimer to me.

Anger issues.

>>3389113
TORTIMER

>>3389113
The same could be said of Ace, other than his name and vaguely looking like a bird, he doesn't look like his Animal Crossing counterpart.

>>3389113
>>3389126
>>3389130
Spoiler warning:
The character in the monitor is Doctor Dick.

>>3389129

Who made this thing? I mean, originally.

Because if it was Weaver, even it may contain a clue: "The world is dangerou-" HOLY SHIT BRACE FOR A TWIST ENDING

>>3389126
>>3389130
You think so? Damn it, now I have to look the picture up again.

>>3389129
I always get a lol out of that.

>>3389148
in b4 sexy exam

>>3389167
You see Tortimer in that? I see some wierd alien thing, but whatever. It could be Tortimer, I suppose.

>>3389113
Actually, he does. He looks a lot like Tortimer, whose unusual body shape would also fit into one of the blacked out areas of the cast list.

We're fairly convinced that it is either: The facility head, who by now is probably some or all kinds of crazy and is watching the events unfurl below him like some kind of golden god, occasionally sending his divine messenger Ace down to impose his will on reality, or Subject 6. Don't even get me started on Subject 6. Oh god. Nurse, the screens.

>>3389206
Does Ace look like a chipper little birdy with a big fat belly and a GLORIOUS DAY smile?

>>3389206
Theories (not necessarily mutually-exclusive):
*Mystery Figure is "F"
*Mystery Figure is the BBEG
*Mystery Figure is in charge of the station
*Mystery Figure is Ace's superior and is the one giving him orders
*Mystery Figure is ALREADY DEAD
*Mystery Figure is Tortimer
*Mystery Figure is Cthulhu
*Mystery Figure is Mickey Mouse
*Mystery Figure is Doctor Dick

>>3389206
The figure appears to be wearing spectacles
the right side of his head might be exposed brain.
Something strange is coming off the side of his head, possibly a tube or wire. Or maybe it's an ear...

>>3389191
He's the one they call Dr. Feelgood...

>>3389220
Add to that "Mysterious Figure is Subject 6".

WHAT IF HE IS SIMULTANEOUSLY "F", SUBJECT 6, ACE'S SUPERIOR, THE BBEG, AND THE MAN IN CHARGE OF THE STATION

>>3389223
A tech priest, then?

>>3389231
WHAT IF HE SIMULTANEOUSLY THE WHOLE STATION

>>3389237

MYTH BUSTED

Everyone go home

>>3389223
Specs
Lizard skin
Hat

BOOM

Ultimate Spoiler Mode: It is an Axolotl.
You are now too busy D'AWWWWWWWWWWing to stove it's head in with a shovelcane.

>>3389073
Blank face. Who else has a blank face? Think about it. #6 is Blanca

Is the guy doing that video game reading this thread? Because I have an idea I'd like to see in the game, and I'm not going to take a break of all this speculation to explain it:

Trust value.
- Invisible, unless you use a cheat code.
- Increases when you're kind to Tom: Hug him when he's sad, cover his eye with a gauze (which really didn't seem to help much, not at this point), help him around, tell him all your secrets, be nice to him after he kisses you ("We can talk when we get out of here."), things like that.
- Decreases when he doubts you: When he sees his own writing telling him not to trust her, when you keep secrets from him, when you seem emotionless and unsympathetic, and stuff.
- Comes to play in certain points of the game: Enough Trust at the point we just reached, for instance, and he might believe you. If he doesn't trust you at all to begin with, he may attack and kill you instead, resulting in a game over.

It's an important plot element here, trust. I'm in no way responsible of the game, I'm not telling him what to do, or anything like that, I'm just pointing out ideas. Ideas are important.

>>3389334
Someone being mind controlled or who is otherwise disconnected from their actions. Possibly someone who is having a blackout and is working on automatic pilot. So, Ruby.

>>3389346
You want to put a trust value in a game that centers around mind-fuckery? Yeah....I don't think that'll work.

>>3389290
>Ultimate Spoiler Mode: It is an Axolotl.
Holy. Fuck.
THE MYSTERY MAN IN THE MONITOR...

WHO IS THE ONLY ACTUAL DOCTOR IN ANIMAL CROSSING?

>>3389367

HOLY CRAP IT FITS!

>>3389367
>Who are you?
>Who is the REAL YOU?
This is so fucking uncanny it's kind of scary.

Regardless of everything, I'm perfectly certain of one thing: Ruby and Tom should have a complete trust on each other.

Ruby has given some reasons for mistrust, and she has blackouts and hallucinations, and, admittedly, can be hazardous for Tom's health. However, and this is the most important part, I am extremely positive that NEITHER OF THEM would ever harm the other intentionally and clear-headed.

>>3389909
I'm doubting the validity of this exam.

>>3389909
THAT'S IT.

The Metal Glen is a medical facility kept secret not because the experiments are so dangerous, but because they are SO SEXY.

>>3389933
>>3389949
I feel like I missed something here.

You know, while there has, admittedly, been a lot of fanart of Ruby and Tom hugging or kissing, I'm honestly really surprised at how little actual porn there is.

I mean, shit with far fewer romantic overtones than this has been wildly corrupted much faster and much worse, yet all the smut Ruby Quest has to its name is a small handful of softcore, mild nude shots.

>>3390011
Could be because everyone's too self-conscious to let Ruby do anything too naughty in front of all those cameras.

>>3390011
Bunny girls are too pure and innocent to corrupt?

Nah.

Guys, seriously. Think. Anthromorph people and a human-like being appears on the monitor. Clearly, Ruby and the gang are a result of genetic splicing of humans. The mutations are from mishaps in genetic code, and the entire station has been locked down to observe how much their mental state has changed from normal humans(or from their animal counterparts).

Up on the surface, some normal typical human scientists are sipping coffee/tea and staring on in amazement.

>>3389346

A simpler way to do this would be to have a bad ending if you're enough of a dick and vice versa.

If this idea goes through, I suggest looking at SH2 for how their ending system worked: every damned action you took in the game counted as james's actions. examine angela's knife a lot? gives you a point towards the BAD END. run out of a certain room before your dead wife finishess talking to you? BAD END. keep yourself wounded a lot? BAD END. Hang with maria alot? BAD END.

on the other hand, examine your wife's photograph a lot? GOOD END. Keep healthy? GOOD END. Outrun Maria constantly and generally not give a fuck about her? GOOD END.

It's really quite brilliant and it's miles above and beyond resident evil's stupid "DO YOU GIVE THE GUN TO BARRY?" style bullshit.

>>3390086

I like and support this.

>>3390011

Could be all the horror and shit: In horror, hugging and kissing for comfort is fine and good, but sex always equals death to at least one participant.

>>3390063
God, I hope not. I can tolerate any kind of story with anthropomorphic animals, even blatant furry shit, until the point it makes the entire plot about the stylistic choice of protagonists. I hope Ruby doesn't end up being specifically about the animalistic nature of the Glen's inhabitants.

Also if I see one more shitty fucking story about a world where humans and animal-people both exist and the bigoted closed-minded warlike and destructive humans constantly persecute and wage war on the peaceful and accepting animal folk I swear to god I am going to lose it

>>3390011
You know, you're right.
I don't think there's been a single piece of hardcore porn for Ruby Quest yet.

did you notice the one person trying to sage the thread throughout the rubyquest thing? What the fuck was up with that? Rubyquest is like the best thing to hit /tg/ in quiet some time.

>>3390204

He's just a pathetic troll, looking for attention. Don't feed him. Ignore him.

>>3390043
The more beautiful and pure something is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it, isn't it?

>>3390237
GO BACK TO BED KOHAKU

>>3390261

I see it as a good thing.

>>3389073

>She doesn't have any expression whatsoever; she just has a blank face.

>she just has a blank face.

>blanca

>>3390271
Ah fuck I can't believe you've done this.

The metal glenn is a leftover ruin from the human civilisation.

Everyone that enters gets their minds wiped and imprinted with the memories of the scientists/subjects that first started the series of terrible experiments.

I see a flaw in all those theories... they are too... rational, scientific. I think there is something supernatural running in the facility.

Ruby's visions, all those eyes glowing in red, the statue, the Dummy, the "FUCK YOU PHYSICS" room with the hole...

During the excavation of the facility, they could have found something, like a ancient underwater city...

>>3390274

Seconded. She knows how to change skins, but she never learned the art of expressions.

>>3390314

No. Just... No, don't do that.

>>3390332

Oh, I think we all know that there's some ancient, all-powerful being below the building, pulling all the strings and causing the mayhem in the first place. If they had picked the spot for their hospital a bit better to begin with, everything would've been fine.

They're all dead. Trying to excape hell. Not only is this stated in the poem, everything begins to fit together better. Ruby killed Tom for apparently no reason. Was it truly out of malice, or was it an action born from what was done to her? How can a being truly be judged if it is unclear as to their true motives. Ruby (and possibly the rest of them) are now being judged to see if they are worth being able to escape from their hell.

>>3390445
>excape hell.

FUCK YEAR WHERE'S MY STAKE LAUNCHER

>>3390116
Read Orcs. It takes that and pleasantly subverts it: The humans are bigoted warlike puritan bastards persecuting the orcs for being vicious bloodthirsty savages and they are absolutely right. The orcs are violent drug-loving bastards, they're just NOT QUITE as bad as they're made out to be. They still briefly contemplate eating a human baby after they destroy its hometown and kill everyone there. Plus, it's just generally quite a good book.

Why does this whole setting make me think of Demonophobia, but with Animal Crossing characters, and minus the loli-rape.

>>3390489
Because its demonophobia, but with Animal Crossing characters minus the loli-rape

>>3390314

that's a Star Trek plot: just to tell new stories with old actors. As an "allegoria" it works perfectly well, if the story is good and the original persons were already interesting. As for RQ, it would be weak.

>>3388641
>>3388624
>>3388724

wat Wat WAT WAT WAT WAT

...

Fuck you, 4chan. Fuck you.

Here is something to speculate over.

>>3390519
Oh.

>>3390519

Yes, we have already noticed this. I like it because it gives Ruby a bit of an alibi. I'd hate to think Ruby really killed Tom, even while mind-controlled or something.

>>3390489
No loli rape indeed... for now. For now.

>>3390531
>alibi
>dead for ten days

I don't know. How long does it take them to revive someone?

Maybe 6 is blanca and thus

blanca hooked red, red killed real ruby, blanca killed tom.

current ruby is either real ruby who didnt kill tom or blanca with amnesia.

..but thats a theory..one that i find kind of meh.

>>3390538
3 or more days, going by Stitches reappearance in the facility.

>>3390535
We can only hope that sex is never brought into it, as its already bordering on furry. While you can bitch about semantics, a very clear line is whenever sex is brought into the whole fray.

>>3390519
Don't trust 7?
Ruby is 6

Ruby or 7 killed Stitches

Forgive me if this has been suggested before, but maybe it's backwards. What if they didn't treat the wounds caused by Ruby, but instead Ruby inflicted wounds where they were treated because she 'saw' something 'wrong' with the areas treated on each person?

>>3390563
Its already furry

Ruby sees some things... differently. This is a proven fact; she sees the Eyeball on the eye painting when Tom does not, she sees her corpse in a trunk when Tom does not.

What might Ruby have seen if she'd looked in some places we've only had Tom look up until now? What might she have seen in Tom's locker; what might she have seen in the Medical Room?

>>3390519

Yeah, that video makes no sense.She was dead, or at least sealed in locker #7 . And, if she was declared deceased, why is he not surprised when she enters the room?

I don't like the shapeshifter theory, but Ruby sneaking out of the regeneration locker, stabbing Tom, and then getting back to her sleep, like a cheap movie mummy... Sounds pretty ridiculous to me
I think there is something more. Maybe they are cloning people, after all. Mayber there is more than one Ruby.

I hope Red is sane and remembering everything the next time he appears - because he will be revived, trust me - so that he could finally bring some sense into this mess.

Should have asked red for the date when we had the chance.

>>3390609
That actually makes sense, given what's been posited earlier. Our Ruby probably isn't the murderer and certainly doesn't have the mindset of one at the moment.

>>3390686

>doesn't have the mindset of a killer
>controlled by /tg/

are you fucking stupid?

I'm still holding on to my memory triggering weird shit happening theory because that way Weaver can manage the information flow to the players and just feed us small bits of the big picture, keeping it interesting.

Thats why the reports were censored and Red threatened to rip Rubys throat out if she kept on asking questions (just kidding!).

Red is gonna come back, he was too fly to die!

>>3390551
Orrrrrrr... Blanca framed Ruby by assaulting Red out of the blue while under Ruby's guise then shifted to Tom when the time was right. Real Ruby figures this out and goes to kill for this.

While not really a good explanation, it's possible if memory loss is taken into account.

God, if it turns out to be HURR SHAPE SHIFTAR I will be so disappointed. "Oh and it turns out that the thing causing it all was the easiest possible explanation for me to write, who would have thought of that."
Really, it could be Ruby. We don't know how long it takes for regeneration, we don't know if she was really dead, we don't know if Tom was in on it, we don't know shit. Keep looking, keep digging, and find out what the fuck is going on.

Yeah who knows, maybe coming back to life just turns you evil.

the theory that this is still being run by someone sane doesn't pan out too well if you consider that the bottom half of the facility appears to be sinking into the void.

>>3390718
Seems likely that the Treatment induces paranoia and psychosis. Stitches for example is homicidal the second we get him out of the closet, but once he has time to calm down and figure out just what the fuck is going on, he's almost lucid.
Red on the other hand has almost no damage and is absolutely fucking bonkers. Or is he? He built a BOMB using COINS.

More speculation.

Don't forget that she remembers being stuffed into a locker by ace.

>>3390729

he built a bomb, but just used coins for metal contacts..

he did not build a bomb out of coins..

>>3390696
Upgraded your Foxhound

>>3390761
Shit would be so change.

>>3390519

Hold on a minute there. What's the current date in the facility? Because if it's any date before November 8, considering that there's already been a major warping of space-time in the facility... could that video be a recording from the future?

Lol "speculating" about fan-influenced spontaneously written unplanned internet game.

Another theory:

The miraculous treatment can cure every wound, even resurrect people, but as a secondary effect, it makes people go insane (or be possesed by evil forces, we don't know). HOWEVER,this only happens when the treatment is applied to ALIVE subjects.

Think about it: Red and Ruby (and probably the Hound) went insane after being cured (Ruby from her blindness, Red from his mouth).

But, since Ruby died and got fully revived, she haven't show any homicidal tendence.

Also, Tom received the treatment too (because of his arms), then Ruby killed him, and now he's alive again, and he's pretty normal so far.

Dang it, most of the possible outcomes are my least favorite plot devices, amnesia(though i usually just hate it when they end with everyone forgetting the whole adventure) clones, and time travel.

A shame we used the empty first aid case.

Just some bottlecaps and some cherry bombs and Red could whip up some sort of Fallout explosive device.

The sentence "Tom can't pick the lock, he isn't CRAFTY enough." is the worst spoiler or red herring (lol Red!) from last session.

omgredsgonnacomebackomgomg!

>>3390779
We have no clue of the real date. Does any computer terminal work yet? Like the one in start room?

>>3390784

We're just giving good Weaver some mindfuck fuel. We love that shit.

Logically most of the computer consoles should have some sort of date posting thing..

its not like you never ever see the current dates on predominantly text interfaces.

>>3390807
>>Logically most of correctly working, operational computer consoles

fixed.

>>3390784
>>3390799

I'm fairly certain Weaver has this thing mostly planned through. It's like playing one of those computer adventure games people sometimes compare to this: They don't build themselves as people play, adapting to their choices, they're already done and players can really do nothing else than try play them through without dying.

>>3390686

>>Our Ruby isn't a killer.

Really? Because she certainly seems to have remembered how to shove a hook into someone's mouth.

>>3390827

It was the logical place to strike: Big, threatening, full of teeth, and coming straight at her in high speeds. When a dog tries to bite you you won't go kicking its feet or anything.

Besides, brain's there. Or supposed to be, anyway. Head shot = massive damage.

>>3390827

Besides, Ruby here is LEFT-HANDED, while Ruby in the video struck both Red and Tom with her RIGHT HAND! This might be an important detail.

>>3390842

Please see:

>>3390519

>>3390850

Oh. Well Red, at least.

Seriously, I think Ruby is ambidexterous, as in "I never care which is her primary hand when I draw her" ambidexterous.

>>3390823

He has the plot planned, but the story evolves depending on our decisions.

Running through the Z-hatch was a stupid idea, and climbing the pipe a wild guess he couldn't have planned. Or attacking Ace and losing the crowbar in the process (which we could have use for opening the cabinet), activating the lethal trap... Or sending the severed hand through the neumatic tube.

>>3390862


The real Ruby would seem, as I've noticed after searching around the old threads, to use primarly her left hand. This would mean that Red's slasher most likely wasn't Ruby, which also makes the same thing possible for Tom's attacker.

It might be Blanca who's ambidexterous.

>>3390874

This only means that the story isn't linear. We can do stuff in our own order.

>>3390862
and her off hand weapon is light.

>>3390823

To me it just looks like most RP games. You have a history that is fully established before you play, instead of one of those game-jamming quantum histories. You have the full schematics of the facility and the characters in it as well as their plans reasonably well established. Between all this there are a wide variety of actions that can be taken, but not that many that lead to genuinely different outcomes, and only one superobjective.

It's like going somewhere. There are a good many methods of transport, and a vast variety of ways that it can be used to get there, but one way or another you end up at your destination unless things go terminally wrong.

>>3390895
And the destination may vary wildly from what we expect.

So far the goal was "escape". Somehow, with the mutations and the current brainfucked past, I begin to think escape may not be the best idea.

>>3390990

Too lazy to shoop so imagine Reds head instead of advicedogs going

ESCAPE THE GLEN

SPREAD THE DESEASE

>>3390990

For me, the primary goal was always "Regain memories". Escape was the close second. So the goal has changed nowhere, in my opinion.

Of secondary, minor goals, finding about patient 6, and why Ruby attacked Red and Tom, would be something we should investigate on about.

>>3391010

If it even was the real Ruby doing the attacks, which I still doubt.

My main goal is for Ruby and Tom to be happy.

They don't have to escape and don't have to know everything, just be happy together.

If Ruby really is left-handed, then there's evidence that it wasn't her who attacked Red. Only evidence, though.

However, if she is, this heavily suggests that she DID attack Tom.

Damnit, thread is autosaging.

>>3391015
I just want to know the truth. If the truth ends in death, so be it. I know I'd rather know just what the fuck I am and why than live without any memory of my past.

>>3391015

Well, yes. Primary goal: "Discover past". Secondary goal: "Escape".

However, there's also The Absolute Primary Goal In Every Fiction Ever: "Happy ending for main characters."

>>3391013

For no substantial reason, yet.

Let's face it, there's so little ancillary information we more or less have to take it at face value.

Also, in breaking news:

GOOD IDEA: Use internet, eat pie.

GOOD IDEA: Use internet, play guitar.

BAD IDEA: Eat pie, play guitar.

The really interesting thing is of course who is weaver going to listen to once we got near the end and it's CHOICES time.

Escape, Truth, Love, Revenge?

>>3391057

Revenge is a bad goal, and should be dropped off that list instantly. Everyone who'd pick it would be bloodthirsty maniacs who're compeletely incapable to forgive.

After that it'd get a lot tougher to choose, though.

>>3391063

It's a standard trope for anything in the horror genre in which the main characters suddenly obtain power.

Can love bloom in the metal glen?

>>3391082

It did. It ended badly.

>>3391096

Don't be so pessimistic. Even if that was Ruby doing the deed, she was clearly mind-controlled or possessed. She'd never hurt Tom intentionally, never.

>>3391104

Does that render horrific enscalpelled butchery an ending that isn't bad?

PROTIP: THERE IS ONE CORRECT ANSWER.

PROTIPTIP: IT RHYMES WITH GO YOU CUPID LUCK.

>>3391135

No you stupid fuck (I play your game). But it makes Ruby not guilty, and means that she is still trustworthy and good. Whoever made her do it is the real enemy.

Also you make it sound like she killed him out of love, which I find extremely cynical, out of character, and just plain stupid.

The recording could also be a fake one, or something very important happened during that little blackout (Why did the camera stop recording at that point?), but this is just reaching and probably not true, and we will not continue this theory anymore.

The camera could be turned off because of either Ruby or Toms sudden Zombiefication which would explain the bloodshed.

Ever heard of sleepwalkers who kill?

>>3391161

Ruby was already reaching for scalpel before it, so she was up to something all the time.

>>3391174

And sleepwalkers who smile, talk cheerfully, and kiss? No.

>>3391180

Sleepwalkers have been known to be able to operate vehicles properly without accidents, so yeah sure why not.

>>3391147

The only scenario that isn't reaching desperately with the information we have now is one in which Ruby kills Tom. There's just no other explanation which doesn't rely on the impossibility of impossibility and ignoring all the evidence contrary.

>>3391193

We also have the information that Ruby has so far been a sweet, calm, and nice herbivorous bunny girl, who has saved Tom's life countless of times, and has had many other opportunities to kill him again. She hasn't.

There is also a possibility, I admit, that the amnesia seriously scrambled her personality, and that she used to be an evil asshole maniac. But if that was the case, her and Tom would never have gotten to such friendly terms, being that they had known each other for several months by then. And with the program going on for that time, the others would've discovered her as well and kicked her out: If she was crazy enough to just kill Tom, she was crazy enough to start killing much earlier.

Or she could've been sweet and caring before the program, and it was only the treatment that messed her head - as it apparently messed up so many others. If this was the case however, all evidence shows that she has been brought back to what she used to be before the program.

She didn't kill him by her own free will.

>>3391252

Why not? Ruby could have been a sociopathic killer just fine beforehand. She's murderous, but wouldn't kill when it disadvantages her, as killing the only other useful survivor would. A serial killer, too, only kills in specific circumstances, and these are clearly different circumstances.

Or she's a killer and her current lack of visible signs of psychopathy is a symptom of her treatment like the eye.

Or there was some information she had at the time to make her actions compatible with her current personality.

Okay, so following the shape shifter theory, this is how I see how things are.
Ace is an experiment, perhaps one of the oldest ones. He has been left with a very physically designed body, however his mind is simple, something similar to a drone. His seeming loyalty to his duties helps indicate that the doctors decided to use him as a ward for the other patients, who might be violent.

Originally the head doctor for Metal Glen is F, however at some point of time Red (having been either transferred to Metal Glen as an additional doctor or already on the board) approaches F with ideas for an experimental treatment (October 3rd) which begin on October 7th.

I agree with the idea that Metal Glen was designed for experimental treatment of diseases and conditions that at the time are either incredibly hard to resolve or had no cure. Red's treatment was most likely something unethical as F was cautious about it and it took four days (perhaps longer, who knows how long Red had been asking for permission) to be finally given the go ahead.

Red's treatment worked, on some level, but began to get out of his control due to patient #6.

This is where things get really iffy as there isn't much evidence to support this theory, but I'll do my best.

>>3391279

Clearly the base was a fully operational hospital: I'm sure they had a psychiatrist on board as well. There were "risks" mentioned, and that Ruby "understood them" when she entered the program: There's a very high possibility that they knew it'd be some mental problems, making a psychiatrist mandatory.

Chances are, he'd've found out about Ruby's madness long before she had the chance to kill Tom - unless she's truly exceptionally intelligent, and in perfect understanding of her own problems and how society reacts to them, enough that to succesfully hide it all from a trained psychiatrist. I very much doubt this.

And even if she was, she'd've certainly also been smart enough to kill Tom in a much cleaner way, and hide the body.

All this considered, it's much more unlikely that she was crazt or evil to begin with, rather than being possessed/brainwashed/mind-controlled, gone temporarily insane from the treatment, or just plain doppelganger.

There is also the chance that whatever informations we found are fake.
Fake recordings, fake notes.

And another thing: When Red killed Ruby, did anyone pay attention to the painting on the background? Clearly it was a painting: Showing what looks like a city and some armored knights.

>>3391339

Unlikely, though possible. Better play it safe, and proceed as if they're all real.

>>3391310

Please. A psychologist can tell little about you of the type of deep-seated issues like partial psychopathy and sociopathy unless you are actively helping them to. You can hide ANYTHING from a psychologist by just not cooperating very much, which happens all the time. You can also hide subtle things with incredible ease by just not talking about them, and with the tiniest bit of misdirection onto a much lesser real problem they usually can't tell you did that.

Psychology is nothing like medicine. You can't take a mental sample and stick it in a machine, you have to work closely with a willing and able patient to produce any results.

And psychopaths hide in plain sight all the time, because they know these things too. You don't even have to be smart to work it out.

>>3391385

When we're talking about seven patients, who receive experimental treatments that may put a serious strain on their sanity, I very much doubt these people "hide in plain sight". They've hired the best guys and made full background checks on everyone. I see your point, however, and anything I've just said doesn't change anything of that.

Consider instead that the incidents happened only after the fateful experiment. It turned normal and nice people into bloodthirsty maniacs: It can't be a coincidence that this was when Ruby started as well. Acting nice for months, only to suddenly turn on her companions violently, in full sight of witnesses (well, one witness), and with no effort whatsoever of covering her tracks? I doubt that.

Also let's consider Tom for a second: How was he, apparently, compeletely oblivious of what happened to Red, and of Ruby supposed to be dead? If he had known about the recent events, he certainly would've acted more hostile at her. Had he had a recent amnesia as well, resulting from being put back in his coffin? That seems like the only option. Why did they do that? What did he do to deserve it?

Tom's not as clean as he looks either. And if anything, Tom seems even more innocent than Ruby: You're not suggesting that they were BOTH evil psychopaths just biding their time?

>>3391469

I don't think she is, I just don't like people assuming that nice Ruby is an undisputable fact and then using that as a premise in their arguments.

>>3391509

I don't know about "nice Ruby", but you'll never see me go as far as "evil and crazy Ruby". The best I'll go is "temporarily maddened by experiments Ruby", and even that very reluctantly. This is probably because I love sweetness and good endings.

And currently I'm really looking forward to them seeing similar stuff about Tom that he can't remember, just so they'd be balanced again. Followed by tearful apologies and possibly hugs, when they find that both of them had very good reason for what they did.

I'd also like to point you all to the fact that subject 6 was isolated only fifteen days after "Ruby" killed Tom. Meanwhile, so far there's been no record found about Ruby since her fatal accident.

I'm still hoping for a bizarre Ruby Tom Red love triangle!

o/~ Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray o/~

>>3391727

I think Red had feelings for Ruby, but he kept them with himself and told no one, because she was already perfectly happy with Tom. There's no evidence whatsoever to back up this theory, but I like it anyway.

>>3391801

The depressed look after she hooked him was proof enough.

Also smashed monitor after kiss.

>>3391910

I think his face was more of a parental concern, and dismay of seeing a good friend suddenly turn against him, though there might have been unrequited love behind it as well.

Also how would the monitor magically repair itself? And if Red was there to smash it, why didn't he stop what happened?

I doubt anyone's still watching this thread but chances are you guys were predictable enough to archive it so here's something for you guys <3

>>3391910

That's (along with his jounral) more proof that Red wasn't holding Ruby responsible for what happened, that something else was really the cause of what was going on.

>>3392914

Then why did he kill her? Especially if he really did like her? He could've just locked her up or something.

>>3388724
hey just because

>>3392949

Because, at the time, he thought that he had to. He didn't want to.