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    118 KB Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:02 No.3208352  
    Yes I posted this before. Yes I want more feedback on it.

    So I'm working on my latest setting(Low magic but high fantasy), /tg/, and I'm wanting to throw a bit of technology into the mess (I'm told the flavor I'm looking for is dieselpunk) and so my latest work has come to thinking about radio.

    IMMEADIATE "REALISM" DISCLAIMER: Its not actually radio, its merely an excercise of a fictional set of physics, elements, and dimensional interactions that functions very similarly to radio. No telegraph, no TV, no reverse engineering, no electricity. This is an exercise in the introduction of radio, not of everything radio related.

    I've handwaved it so that the radios are powered by a cheaply obtained/growable crystal. Transmitter power can be boosted by chaining together multiple crystals, but only up to a certain point before the transmitter blows, or worse. Operating a transmitter requires someone with specialized knowledge, and constant attention. In certain areas, improper operation of a radio can result in attacks from radio creatures, even.

    Normally, "radio space" is full of Radio Elementals, which can normally only be observed by the static they create. A radio transmitter drives off Radio Elementals, which then allows clear and open space for transmissions. However, several things can draw Radio Elementals back into the "clear zone", such as combat and active magic, causing more static.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:02 No.3208354
    Also part of the "radio space" are Radio Eaters. Most normally viewed partially manifesting into our space via the appearance of will-o-wisp type phenomena near large broadcast antennas, the "domestic" Radio Eaters feed off of transmissions. While the domestic kind offer no danger, they may cause degredation in signal if they are not periodically removed. Far more dangerous are the radio eaters in outlying areas and areas without steady radio broadcasting, for these have a far less steady diet. Affected by hunter, rapid on/offing of a transmitter will cause them to manifest strongly and attack everything nearby. Their threat ranges, from significant in areas recently devoid of radio chatter, to weak in areas that rarely ever get any. Thus, radio outside of constant operation is generally a risky endeavor.

    Due to the interference of radio elementals, this also makes it unweildly for military concerns. However, the adventuring community has found ample reason to utilize these devices. In addition to being able to have constant contact with a "base camp", there are a few magical devices that increase the utility of the communication. Charms that provide the surface with a view of whats going on, with upgrades that add magical enhancements, such as Darkvision, Detect Secret Doors, and other similar divinations. Also the Sensory Rod, which when wielded by a radio operator, transmits a plethora of data about where its being pointed (material, thickness, age, etc) to a set of runes which must then be deciphered to gain the knowledge
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:03 No.3208356
    I was planning on 4 different classes of transmitter.
    Large transmission station, the size of a large building with antenna tower, with an approximate range of about 30 miles. Found in cities and otherwise major locations.
    Small transmission station, the size of a small building with antenna tower, with an approximate range of 15 miles. Found in towns and forts.
    Wagon mounted model, with a portable antenna tower, broadcasting to a range of about 10 miles.
    And then a backpack mounted model, like the first pic, with a range of 3-5 miles.

    Transmitters more powerful than the 30-mile one are generally not made, as even temporarily boosting the power of the large ones tends to cause a breech, summoning radio-creatures into the world. Radio creatures are vague and insubstantial, looking like vaguely creature-shaped masses of visual static, producing sonic attacks constantly as they seem to go insane. Rumors abound of a transmission tower in the mountains that attempted to run at double power, but no one has been able to verify it.

    Thats about all I've got without getting into crunch. What do you guys think so far?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:12 No.3208393
    Change radio to internet and I'll give it another pass.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:20 No.3208438
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:21 No.3208446
    >>3208352 So I'm working on my latest setting(Low magic but high faggotry)
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:42 No.3208550
    Exactly. what the fuck does low magic high fantasy even MEAN? This is why homebrew faggots are such failure. I really can't wait until DeviantArt starts marketting its StabPeopleInTheFace application
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)00:54 No.3208598
    It means stuff like Lord Of The Rings, as opposed to stuff like the Wheel of Time.

    OP - better option for proper low-magic setting communication: semaphore or heliograph signal towers.

    Putting in radio that way, especially if it's all over the place is pretty much high-magic, especially with attacks by radio elementals and shit.

    As for giving adventurers special signaling powers, you could always throw in real-world developments like a whistled language (used in Sicily and rainforests IIRC to communicate over long distances), or give them flags or mirrors for regular signaling.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)01:12 No.3208705
    What exactly are you wanting feedback on? It's a gimmick that forces the game to shape itself around it, but you haven't a game to be shaped.

    In regards to it as a game mechanic in general, I'm having a hard time imagining a fantasy setting so in need of quick communication that it requires the ridiculous effort necessary in using these transmitters at all.

    So it would either be this niche thing in the game world (and thus way too much effort for the players in terms of familiarizing themselves with the system), or a common thing (and thus you're going to have to provide reasons for consistent use of such transmitters). Sounds like it's going to be the basis of the game's random encounters, so it's probably not something you'll want to dismiss or wing offhand.

    Also, if players want to use a transmitter when adventuring about, they'll end up summoning and empowering monsters around them, but if they don't, then the DM will just toss traps or whatever at them to punish that decision. From the players' perspective, it will likely be seen as a lose-lose situation.

    Also sounds like at least one player will have to roll a character with the "specialized knowledge" necessary to operate transmitters, which depending on the system, leads to those 'hacker in a shadowrun game' dilemmas in trying to provide everyone with a fun role in the game.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)04:35 No.3209434
    LOTR isn't high fantasy. Its low fantasy.

    Why are you trying to help the dumbshit? He obviously doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. THIS IS THE FAILURE OF HOMEBREW. They whip up some halfassed idea and then demand we do the real work... though you sound pretty butthurt "unless we use the DM's fagmotron he'll just punish us with traps"
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)04:38 No.3209450
    Why use this shit? You have wands of Sending or Message, BAM, better than this stupid fucking clunky retard shit
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)08:00 No.3209877
    IMMEADIATE "REALISM" DISCLAIMER: Its not actually radio, its merely an excercise of a fictional set of physics, elements, >and dimensional interactions that functions very similarly to radio. No telegraph, no TV, no reverse engineering, no electricity. >This is an exercise in the introduction of radio, not of everything radio related.

    Sorry, OP. This is terrible. It's ill-formed ideas like this which make homebrew so maligned around here. You've got a setting, which is ordinarily fine, but you've introduced something that will completely change the game and make your party's RADIOMAN the most important member.

    Basically a Wizard, but that's a different matter. If there's enough magic to have MAGIC RADIO and all that, then there's surely enough for a wizard to cast something and get the same info?

    Also LOW MAGIC HIGH FANTASY is a bit stupid, and not really LOTR. And dieselpunk isn't the right term, this is really a stupid form of steampunk. Dieselpunk is Bioshock and arguably stuff like Ring of Red, Red Alert (the original) and maybe parts of Fallout.

    It seems you're trying to make something where you can railroad with impunity by making a piece of technology simultaneously vital to the party but also leaving them wide open to random encounters.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)11:59 No.3210389
    >>3209877 Bioshock isn't dieselpunk you retard, its retrofuture, same with Fallout if it wasn't PostApocalyptic.

    I can't even be bothered to read it and I know this idea is absolute flat out garbage, again, like 99% of you mouthbreathing fucking shitheaded homebrew nerds.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:07 No.3210424
    Y'know what, thats it. I am SO fucking tired of seeing this kind of poorly thought out fucking retard fodder filling up my /tg/. So I am going to keep this fucking faggot's thread bumped, every chance I get, so that EVERYONE sees it, sees how fucked up it is, and learns from this colossal shitfag's mistake of a life. And the bleeding heart newfags who want this kind of "creative" bullshit, they'll have to sage it off the board to make me stop, the intended fate of ALL homebrew fuckups.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:10 No.3210439
    Are you the sage for homebrew faggot? DIAF. Slowly, I want to smell your roasted blubber.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:12 No.3210448
    Honestly, what is this, the third time of posting? It might as well be copypasta! Initial responce was good, OP but each time you make this thread it gets worse and worse with little new to offer.
    Seriously, stop.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:15 No.3210464
    What makes it worse is that we do actually see GOOD homebrew stuff quite often. So it's not like these people don't have good examples put in front of them.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:19 No.3210486
    BAWWWW faggot. Somebody has to clean up this retard shit. I mean, magic fucking radio? What the fucking fuck man?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:21 No.3210495
    This was fine up until >Radio Elementals

    What the fucking fuck, man?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:22 No.3210506
    Might well be, but you should stop your retarded sagefaggotry - or, in this case, bumping shit that doesn't deserve it.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:23 No.3210507
    There are like a million ideas more retarded that game companies expect us to pay money for. Bitch about those.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:28 No.3210540
    No, the fucking failure of an OP wants attention, so I'm giving it to him.

    Except nobody plays those because they're fucking retarded and cost money. This fucking hillbilly pays nothing to spam this thread every couple days, and expects us to care since his sugar and fat addled brain thinks he's actually done something good. You can't fight a corporation, and the OP is obviously too fucking shittarded to learn, but maybe, just maybe we can teach a lesson to the other stupid fucks who think their "creativity" is something that needs to be flaunted about like a diseased pus-filled bleeding sore
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:31 No.3210553
    Yeah.....reported for trolling outside /b/.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:34 No.3210565
    Stop being a fag.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:37 No.3210583
    Sorry OP, but its something I have to do.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)12:46 No.3210608
    You fap you lose:
    >> Salamanders Fanboi !!Q4/i89xuPmX 12/20/08(Sat)13:00 No.3210681
    Fail fail is fail.
    >> red black spiderman !!gmZ7B9l1yE+ 12/20/08(Sat)13:02 No.3210690
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    This has potential, if you don't make the common error of ignoring what effects this has on ALL of the world. For example you say >Due to the interference of radio elementals, this also makes it unweildly for military concerns.
    That's very unlikely. Even if combat disturbs it, it's still a valuable tool for positioning troops and gathering information, not to mention sending news from the front back quickly. War will change as will everything else. The crystals being cheap will only make these changes more obvious. If you don't want the whole campaign world to be so heavily altered you must either make operation more dangerous or the crystal fuel more rare. Don't fall into the trap of DnD logic where people live like Standard Fantasy Medieval Society despite all the magic at their disposal.

    The people that will generally make the most creative use of technology are the military and people who can wring a profit from it. So consider what kind of things you can achieve with this and how you can make money from it. A music hall owner would see an opportunity to sell performances to the poorer people at a lower price. The rich will still pay to attend the performance, while the poor might pay a smaller sum to enter a hall where a radio is set up to receive the performance. Not quite as good as being there in person, but you get what you pay for. Since you're not limited by how far the music carries you can set up a dozen of these plebeian music halls and earn much more per performance.
    >> red black spiderman !!gmZ7B9l1yE+ 12/20/08(Sat)13:03 No.3210693
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    Others who might make use of it are the local authorities, to broadcast messages, factors who can make good use of the long range communication to keep up with supply and demand and -if the receivers are not too bulky- sailors, who can use it both for navigation and for keeping up with weather (lighthouses and watchtowers might send out periodical weather reports for example). You cannot possibly think of ALL the ramifications this has but you can certainly underthink it.

    Also, how old is the technology and are its applications well established or emergent? In the music hall example, if it is still new, you will see only some clever music hall operators start using the scheme and only on a small scale. People will also be wary at first. But if the technology is old it might not only be commonplace but always expected. A music hall operator who cannot broadcast would be no music hall operator at all.

    Finally, consider what it does globally. The world will become much smaller as news travels faster. It will be harder to surprise enemies. Rulers will have a much stronger grip on their lands. Authority will be more centralized.

    Is radio just the working name you have for now? Because Radio Elemental sounds pretty silly.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:06 No.3210706
    Or people could just sell radio receivers to the populace at large thus making the music hall's proceeds almost NOTHING. God you're a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:12 No.3210732

    AOC - Academy for Oscilographic Communications
    Oscilio Elementals
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:16 No.3210749
    Congrats, you managed to make it sound even more stupid.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:18 No.3210757
    Butthurt? Dude, I'm just telling him that there's no reason why his players would want to use this. The only incentive he's provided for players to use a portable transmitter was for intel purposes, so either there's no real reason to bother with it (operator has nothing to do / no need for an operator and it's just game world fluff) or the intel is essential (players are forced into a catch-22 based on their faux-decision on the matter).

    What real work? HE HASN'T PROVIDE A GAME. That's where the real work is; adapting the game system and the setting so that they work with each other in an enjoyable manner.
    >> red black spiderman !!gmZ7B9l1yE+ 12/20/08(Sat)13:19 No.3210761
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    That depends on how reception works. If you just have to find a frequency then it isn't a good idea but if you broadcast to specific places or specific receivers then it could work.
    It also depends on the price of the receiver, the price of the crystals and whether a receiver needs an operator or not.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:22 No.3210771
    Clever boy.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:26 No.3210782
    >>I've handwaved it so that the radios are powered by a cheaply obtained/growable crystal. Transmitter power can be boosted by chaining together multiple crystals, but only up to a certain point before the transmitter blows, or worse.

    I really you hope your setting is prepared for cheap explosives or worse. On top of things already mentioned in >>3210690
    and >>3210693

    If you don't already have easily obtained and knwom about means of removing mountains / cities in the setting this will probably introduce them.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:27 No.3210789
    ITT homebrewer intelligence: Growable crystals means explosives!
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:37 No.3210838
    Its a puzzle piece. A single useless piece that does NOTHING at all except look retarded. There's no world, and you're just trying to hamfist it. Whats the fucking point? Even using it summons thousands of "radio creatures" (Seriously, most retarded concept EVER) so there's no point in using it, but its supposed to be used all over the world? So how do people not turn on their radios without being brutally murdered? God I'm getting a headache halfway through the second post. This shit is retarded.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:40 No.3210859
    MAGIC = FANTASY. You can't have low magic high fantasy you goddamn fucking cocksucking ballsucking retard neckbearded indiefag fuckshit
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:45 No.3210893
    Lookin' a little carbon-copy homosexual there, chief.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)13:59 No.3210982
    Also, what or were is OP's pic? Looks like a good Zombie Holocaust fort in the makings. :D
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)14:00 No.3210987
    Lord of the Rings would like a word, guv'na.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)14:44 No.3211194
    >oh shit anyone who disagrees with my thread must be samefagging, no two people can possibly think my shit is bananas.

    Lord of the Rings was LOW fantasy. 90% of the enemies were orcs, there was ONE dragon in the whole mess, and the great big nasty creatures from the east or south or whatever continent Tolkien was hating on were just fancy Elephants. You had "magic" weapons that did nothing except perhaps glow like a cheap cereal toy, and pretty much all intelligent races were just humans with different features. LOW fantasy.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)14:47 No.3211205
    Not OP, and considering they're all poorly reasoned and typed trolls I felt confident in my assessment.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)15:37 No.3211449
    So we have an OP who doesn't think ANYTHING on the repercussions of his "design", homebrewfags who defend his right to be retarded, a bunch of excessively fowlmouthed jerkwads.

    Yes, I made the right choice in keeping this bumped.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)15:40 No.3211464
    This is pretty retarded
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)15:50 No.3211518
    While you're right, this is kind of retarded, the precedent of homebrewed settings and ideas being trolled by this one intolerable faggot needs to be headed off.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)15:53 No.3211535
    If he built his homebrew so that the radio crystals can be stacked together to increase range but stack too many of them and they go KABOOM or worse (I'm guessing "Suddenly Radio elementals. Thousands of them.") he did create explosives. A cheap, common and well known explosive which is yet ubiquitous due to his other, vital, useage. That homebrews AmFo.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)16:10 No.3211597
    Your words make no sense. Even going with what I THINK you mean, it means the transmitter blows, not the crystals.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)19:43 No.3212673
    NONE of this makes sense. And you faggots do this for FUN?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)19:46 No.3212695
    1. Send infiltrator into enemy capital.
    2. Infiltrator buys a dozen radios.
    3. Infiltrator activates them all at once and radio beasts cause mayhem.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)19:59 No.3212762
    Ohhh, so you faggots simply can't read....

    >1. Send infiltrator into enemy capital.
    >2. Infiltrator buys a dozen radios.
    >3. Infiltrator activates them all at once and radio beasts cause mayhem.

    >While the domestic kind offer no danger
    >weak in areas that rarely ever get any.

    So either the enemy capital has feeble Radio Eaters who can't do shit, or just lazy cow Radio Eaters who won't do shit. Congrats, you just set up a dozen transmitters and managed to attract pidgeons.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:02 No.3212786
    Instead of calling it radio when it clearly is not why not call it something else? You could say they are spirit messengers or something. If you are determined to call it radio why not just introduce radio? With d&d level technology I think you could build a simple radio. Even something like a radio telegraph. There are low-tech ways to generate electricity with simple batteries.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:10 No.3212835
    Because once players see ANY technology at all they assume that means they can bust out HowStuffWorks on a laptop and start rolling Craft checks until they're even more retarded? Nevermind the OP said >No telegraph, no TV, no reverse engineering, no electricity. This is an exercise in the introduction of radio, not of everything radio related.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:11 No.3212841
    >>Transmitters more powerful than the 30-mile one are generally not made, as even temporarily boosting the power of the large ones tends to cause a breech, summoning radio-creatures into the world.

    And for radio eaters, if two armies meet to fight in the wilderness they'd try and deploy radio eater lures around and activate them if the enemy moved towards them.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:29 No.3212936
    so wait, radio eaters are no threat in the wilderness or the cities... so whats the fucking point of them? They're just a way to go OOOOOOH I'LL SICK RANDOM ENCOUNTERS ON YOU CONSTANTLY FOR NO REASON

    fucking bullshit
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:36 No.3212981
    By deduction then they're only a thread in areas with moderate radio usage, like the areas between cities. Which means you can use radios freely in large cities, and small villages, but the towns in-between are radio free leading to a bizzarre communications donut. But then since crystals are so common people would have high-powered antennae everywhere to avoid being in the eater band, which would mean that the only purpose of eaters would be to discourage any expansion beyond the borders of the network area. Which would basically make any use of radios when attacking another country highly dangerous, but nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:44 No.3213028
    Would also require reckless individuals (read adventurers) to consider using them outside normal network range.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)20:50 No.3213063
    Oh wow, the huge faggots figured out its intended to be rammed down the PC's throats. GOOD FUCKING JOB YOU MENTALLY HANIDCAPPED FREAK
    >> Anonymous 12/20/08(Sat)22:46 No.3213617
    Again, bumping much like an owner rubs a bad dog's nose in the shit, THIS IS NOT HOW YOU HOMEBREW.

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