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    763 KB Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)19:53 No.3137124  
    DM: Alright you approach the bee colony. Workers are buzzing around in the hundreds. What do you do?
    Billy: I'm a fucking Emperor Scorpion! I attack the sentries!
    John: Dude, Chris is a fucking giant hornet. Don't those things eat bees in the hundreds?
    DM: Uh...
    Chris: I join in! Death to the queen!
    John: Might as well. Tarantula rolls for initiative.
    Gwen: Sorry I'm late guys! I had to look up some information for my character sheet!
    Billy: Hymenopus coronatus? Wow, what a typical girl.
    DM: Shut up Billy.
    Billy: I sting her for rolling up such a girly character.
    DM: You finish skittering through the tunnel. There's a cavernous room, and in it you see... a giant centipede!
    Chris: Awesome.
    John: Any of you have anything that can get through its carapace? 'cuz I don't.
    Gwen: Not much help here. I think we have to go for the face.
    Billy: I sting Gwen because praying mantises are for pussies.
    DM: Dude I told you to cut that shit out.
    Billy: But our creatures instinctively hate each other!
    Gwen: Bullshit, when the hell do praying mantises run into scorpions?
    Chris: She's right man.
    DM: That's it. Everyone reverts to predatory instinct! Roll for initiative against Billy!
    John: But what about the centi-
    Chris: I rolled a 20.

    Pic unrelated.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)19:55 No.3137132
    Arthropod Adventure?

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)19:56 No.3137141
    My next campaign.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)19:58 No.3137146
    Oh shit yes.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)19:58 No.3137151
    This is awesome beyond words.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)19:59 No.3137154
    err coconut crab
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:00 No.3137159
    OP here. You can play a lobster or crab (with subraces!), but it's a +4 to your level table.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:03 No.3137172
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    I shall feast on your souls puny ground crawlers!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:03 No.3137178
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:05 No.3137184
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    Sure I may have almost no combat ability but my high charisma, earthburrowing powers and regeneration powers that would make a troll cry mean I make an effective and unkillable leader for the party.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:09 No.3137197
    I'd like to play a Silverfish, but I'm worried about the lack of offensive attributes. The immunity to disease is pretty nice, though.

    Are you playing with Dragonflies as written in the Bugkeeper's Book, or the variant found in Proboscis & Pincer? I always thought the +2 lvl adjustment was too harsh, but exchanging them for the racial substitution levels made things pretty unbalanced in the other direction.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:10 No.3137202

    True. Worms are very effective party leaders. They also make good forward scouts under the right conditions.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:13 No.3137211
    Do they still have Fruit Fly Swarm as a playable race? I had massive fun with that back in the day.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:13 No.3137212
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    Dibbs on a Jumping Spider. All that Agility has gotta come in handy.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:16 No.3137224

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:16 No.3137228
    Damnit, I really want to play this, now.
    >> Chocolate Wedding cake Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:17 No.3137229

    We use both actually. Generally I make the players roll standard, but if they can give a good enough story, I let them use the P&P version.


    Yeah, you can still play. They were taken out in the latest core books, but brought them back in one of the supplements.


    The agility is awesome. But they are fairly fragile. Lots of good damage if they make their ambush roll though. Especially if you pick up Pounce n' Nibble at 13. 10 if you Munchkin.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:17 No.3137233
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:18 No.3137234
    Bombardier Beetle.
    >> Lazyfag 12/08/08(Mon)20:18 No.3137236
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:18 No.3137237
    best copypasta or the best copypasta ever?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:18 No.3137239
    Worms can give their regen abilities to other races, making them a sort of... doctor...
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:19 No.3137240
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:19 No.3137241
    Jesus fuck Bump this Shit
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:19 No.3137244
    So what's the insect equivalent of meeting in the tavern and being approached by a cloaked stranger?

    Also, man, /tg/ is great lately.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:19 No.3137246
    Japanese giant hornet.
    >> ­ 12/08/08(Mon)20:19 No.3137247
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    Count me in, I'm a woodlouse! my armour is MAXIMUM!
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:20 No.3137252
    I am a waterbear...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:20 No.3137255
    FUCK. YES:>>3137124
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:21 No.3137256
    Swarming on the half-eaten peach that the child left on the kitchen floor?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:21 No.3137261
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:22 No.3137264
    I think that's be more of a snail.

    Unless snails are non-PC type creatures.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:22 No.3137265

    Oh, yea, they do great damage and they're tough as fuck. But those mandibles are so inaccurate it hurts. A Hercules Beetle will rape face against anything slower than it, but if you're up against something like a Spider, or god help you anything that can fly, you're kinda doomed.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:22 No.3137269
    did you know?


    bees evolved from wasps because of flowers

    from wasps came bees and ants
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:23 No.3137273
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:24 No.3137279
    Dude, total fucking Bill Nye moment.

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:24 No.3137280
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    Fuck yeah, Dragonflies. Twinky as fuck.

    Flight, nasty-ass bite attack, Evasion as a racial ability (level 2 substitution in P&P), combined with plus four fucking dexterity. Not only that, but the racial substitution has a good progression for Reflex!

    You're playing a P&P Dragonfly with two substitution levels and one level in Cunning Predator, even if you take a straight 8 dex, you end up with a reflex save at plus nine to dodge even a Bombardier Beetle blast (also broken, fucking Beetles have been overpowered since first ed.)
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:24 No.3137284
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    Need some Giant Isopod stats right now
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:24 No.3137285
    Immune to all stat conditions. Immune to just about everything. Enjoy your lack of combat though.

    Also, water bears...IN SPESS
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:24 No.3137286
    I'd be a flea.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:25 No.3137288
    Yeah, we're more of a berserker class.
    Max strength, tiny hitbox.

    Also, what would a Black Widow be like?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:26 No.3137293
    Dog or cat animal companion/mount?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:26 No.3137294
    Asian Giant Hornet
    link related
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:26 No.3137295
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    OP again. They are allowable, given you have some sort of good reason to play as one in the campaign.There is generally a +2 or 3 on the level table, but the "I retreat into myself" ability, limited regeneration, resistances, and other stuff makes it worth all the various downsides.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:26 No.3137298
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:28 No.3137302
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:28 No.3137305
    I will take my +20 immunities to everything, My lichy-like abilities and my awesome powers of.... SWIMMING!!!
    >> Lazyfag 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137307
    What about a >>3137236 ?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137308
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    Damn... I wanted that...

    A stag beetle then.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137310
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    bah, you're looking at a crab battle when i show up
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137312
    I'm going for leech, that vampiric regeneration should come in handy, and since their skin is like rubber they're tough too.
    Lack of mobility in non-humid areas is a problem though...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137313
    I love you /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:29 No.3137314
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    fuck yeah
    those bug fights are awesome
    good selections
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:30 No.3137318
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    I am a Cicada shed lich. My phylactery is inside >>3137252

    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:31 No.3137322
    Tiger Beetle.

    Speedy, powerful and tough.
    Can't see shit while running.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:31 No.3137327
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    Are they tanking mainly then?

    I like the retreat, regen and being able to crawl across any glass or blades that happen to be in the way, but they seem a little weak in combat.
    Do they get any abilities for their mucous?

    Me, I want to play a bot fly, takes a little bit to get the damage going, and not so great against swarms, but man, big damage + a follower off their main ability?
    On a flier no less?
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:32 No.3137330
    >>3137318 Sweet God. Are you taking a spell caster class(cause Im taking bard)? We would make a kick ass team..
    Enjoy living in only swamplike conditions
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:32 No.3137332

    You can do it, but again, with a bit of permission.

    Also the size category makes it hard to maneuver in allot of areas. You pretty much have to construct a campaign around one when they are in the game, or leave them out for most of it.

    They're beasts though. Kind of like Emperor Scorpions. Which is generally why people end up dicks when they play them. See original post.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:32 No.3137333
    Praying Mantis
    Predator Bug
    +4 Dexterity, -2 Wisdom
    Hit dice: D6.
    Talon attack for 2D4, uses dexterity mod for to-hit.
    +6 racial bonus to jump checks and hide checks. Jump, Hide, and Move Silently are always class skills.

    Hive Bug
    +2 intelligence, +4 charisma
    Hit dice: d4
    Flies at landspeed (poor maneuverability)
    Sting: d4 damage, crit range 15-20. On a critical hit, apply equal damage to the Bee.
    +4 bonus to Spot, Perform (Dance), and Craft: Honey. Craft and Perform are always class skills.
    -2 to Move Silently
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:32 No.3137336
    Vespa Mandarinia IS the Asian Giant Hornet.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:33 No.3137340
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:33 No.3137341
    They are immune to most poisons but have a curious weakness against salt.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:34 No.3137342
    Okay guys, maybe you can help me with this.

    We just finished our last session. The party had been working it's way through an ant hive, until we reached the Queen. Now we were banged up already from fighting off waves of worker ants slowly chipping away, and we'd lost our Healer-worm to a bunch of fucking wasps the session before.

    Anyway. We manage to take down the queen by sending our Hercules beetle off to use it's Trample attacks on her young to distract her (he's tough enough to withstand the worst she could throw out with her mandibles) while hammering her with the two Bombardier Beetles in the party. Caustic spray is all kinds of awesome. The Spider and Mantid just hung back, their bodyweight wasn't nearly enough to contend with the Queen.

    So she dies and we crawl out of the ruined hive. Everyone's in bad shape, we'd all lost a few legs each. Then, our motherfucker of a GM puts on this shit-eating grin and we find a child (yea, a HUMAN child, god knows what sourcebook he got THAT from) waiting for us with a magnifying glass. It'd been torching the Ants as they fled the hive after we killed their queen.

    So when the next session starts we've got to try and contend with this. Any ideas? All I can think of is running the fuck away and hiding. We'd rather not sacrifice any party members as a distraction.
    >> Angronymous !Pyd2/R7DNA 12/08/08(Mon)20:34 No.3137344

    Snail shells are very brittle and fragile, whereas the circular platemail/scalemail of the louse is clearly surperior in terms of defence.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:36 No.3137354
    A lich must be versed in the dark arts, of course. But how does a waterbear know what singing is?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:36 No.3137355
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    I'm in your sleeping bag eating your soldiers.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)20:36 No.3137357
    what type of spider do you have?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:37 No.3137359
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:38 No.3137369
    And that Roll attack of theirs is brutal, they can bring up their defense and do an attack at the same time?

    Like to see a snail do that.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:39 No.3137371
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    >"You have no chance to survive make your time."
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:39 No.3137375

    Just a basic house spider. The guy's new to the group, so we set him up with something kinda middle of the road. Decent speed and attack power, and it's colouration gives it really good bonuses to hide checks in most situations.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:39 No.3137378
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    Stat my TUSKED WETA. Defensive tusks and ohshi- factor.
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:40 No.3137380
    Level +3
    Microscopic Bug
    -3 Strength, +3 Constitution, +2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom
    Hit dice: D6.
    Mandibles 1d6
    +10 racial bonus to Swim Checks. Swim and Move Silently are always class skills.
    +20 resistance to all elements
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:40 No.3137381

    didn't those things invent mothballs?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:40 No.3137382
    Bah, the leveladjustment is like +12 and the size diffrence makes it really hard to fit in socially. Even with the Savage Specimen sourcebooks rule on racial substitiution levels, you'll always fall behind the spider with classlevels.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:41 No.3137384
    mantis out first, fly to a leaf nearby in an attempt to distract the child buying the other members time to escape into the shadows of nearby foliage
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:41 No.3137389
    Not singing, dancing. Its a new Bard Variant. Inspiring Step instead of Inspiring Song.

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:42 No.3137395
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    I want to play an Eciton Burchellii, I invested all my points in minions and leadership abilities :)
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)20:45 No.3137403
    well... assuming your DM isn't going to pull out his DMPC to masturbate, you'll probably need to distract the kid with the mantis so the spider can close enough to deliver a bite to somewhere sensitive so hopefully the kid will freakout and run off. Of course once that happens you need to get the hell out fast because if you DM is dick, the kid will use one its summon abilities, which will get either a human adult or a human teenager, and they will royally fuck your shit up.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:45 No.3137406

    That's the BBEG.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:46 No.3137407
    Ant social networks are decentralized, enjoy your wasted points. Great NPC opponents, not so much for PCs.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:46 No.3137409
    You should check out the Egyptian breed of those. Meanest motherfuckers there is.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:47 No.3137415
    Surely there's more than one entrance to the hive?
    Go back in and find another exit, the kid should stay busy with the ants for a good while.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:47 No.3137416
    This game is about roleplaying, not rollplaying!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:47 No.3137417
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    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:48 No.3137420
    See if the Herc has any HP left to tank to buy you some time. Failing that, see if the spider can make an intimidate check.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:49 No.3137423

    That sounds good. He did mention that the kid was barefoot. If we can get him to bend down, the Bombardiers might be able to hit him in the eye despite the penalties for hitting a precise target. I just hope they've not used all their Daily abilities yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:50 No.3137427
    Fuck year, Dragonflies.

    I've been working on the following Dragonfly build for a lvl 9 campaign (not looking forward to fighting against Swallows):

    Dragonfly Sub. 2, Cunning Predator 3, Raindrop Dodger 3, Shimmering Striker prestige (from Hive & Hornet) 1
    Feats: Reflexes, Deep Nip, Fly-By Attack, Manoeuvrability, Biting Cleave, Dodge
    Flaw: Ravenous
    Weapon: Narrow-Mouth Bite
    Armour: Blue Carapace

    The combination of all the awesome reflex boosts and the Shimmering Striker allows me to pretty much ignore any attack that would hit; most bugs (and, happily, birds) don't even get to roll, though spiders will always be a problem. The third level of Cunning Predator's mainly for the extra point of Sneak Attack, which is vital on an otherwise low-damage build like this- and, with speed like this, you can be fairly sure you'll have them Still Winged/Flat Footed most of the time.
    Beetles are still a bitch, though-- any advice?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:50 No.3137430
    I wouldn't go for the bite personally, the Child will use it's swat attack, shit has a large enough AoE to kill whatever is around the attacked area unless you have a godtier Dex and a lucky as shit roll.

    Distraction, then run is your best bet, you can't take out a a Child unless you have a centipede or something, those have a hellish amount of amour, even a fucking Adult Stomp attack doesn't dent it too much.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:50 No.3137431
    I wanted to come up with some D&D comparisons like Ants = Modrons, but then it occured to me that Ants = Formians (giant ants), so I'm kind of out of ideas.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:51 No.3137440
    Plus, if you're playing the gurps version, earthworms are awesome with power armor.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:52 No.3137445
    >See if the Herc has any HP left to tank to buy you some time.
    I wouldn't do that against a magnifying glass
    >Magnifying glass~Las cannon
    Don't take any chances I'd say; kids have really short attention span, either wait it out for find another exit
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:53 No.3137452
    Ah, skipped over that part. Yeah, that'll fry you but good.
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)20:54 No.3137454
    How did you play out the stats to obtain Shimmering Striker
    Seems like that'd be a bitch for a dragonfly who took that many classes..
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:56 No.3137467
    Didn't think they could do Power Armor, just "Ultra-high-tech-indestructible-super-space-cyber-suit"?

    And even then you need your DM to be kind enough to allow the event that makes it drop from a passing ship.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)20:56 No.3137471
    How come nobody plays cockroaches anymore?
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)20:57 No.3137475
    im probably just used to playing tanks with poison or crazy powerful critical attacks, it was the first thing that came to mind
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:58 No.3137483

    Social Stigma.

    After the series of books about that fucking Mary Sue cockroach that goes on to kill a Giant Isopod and attain the friendship and equality of all other Insect breeds out there, no-one can stand playing them. Even if you're sticking true to character as a garbage-eating wretch, you're still gonna take some insults from a lot of people.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)20:59 No.3137491
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    Onychophora FTW. Most people don't know about it, but it's awesome. They get some annelid benefits, plus legs, claws, teeth, and even paralyzing slime-spraying with almost a whole foot of range.

    Pic related.
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    >How come nobody plays cockroaches anymore?
    Seriously; good armor, insane toughness, insane regen, insane agility, die-hard, amongst other things. heck, you can even upgrade for flight if you want to.
    Also, they have higher INT and PER than most.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)21:00 No.3137494
    their too bland and are really only good at running away

    I say save them for arthropocalypse where they can take a huge pile of mutations with out batting an eye

    of course even then I would still rather play a mutant land lobster
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:01 No.3137501
    Well, the Ravenous flaw allowed me to take the final Manoeuvrability feat, but getting the stats was tricky; they're impossible with the Elite Array, and points buy leaves you hurting-- the minimum in Dex, Cha, and Wis leaves little to really help you deal damage or take any extra skills at a useful level. Some use dice-gen and hope; personally, I just fucked my constitution hard (I have a six!)...

    Dung Beetles are going to HURT.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:01 No.3137505

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:02 No.3137508

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:02 No.3137509
    They used to be awesome, a few of the subspecies in the splat books are great, but they retconned in the nocturnal trait, makes them hard to use in a party, except in caves.

    If you level up some you can get the 'Light Sensitive' trait, lets you go out into the sun/light but with reduced stats.

    If your DM allows it, try out a Mayan Hisser, has a massive + to level though, like 6 or more.
    Better to use as a BBEG, scary as hell if it was female.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:04 No.3137520

    because most people don't like to marinate in shit for a few bonuses. Not saying that I wouldn't, but to each his own treasure and preference
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:04 No.3137522
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:05 No.3137526
    You don't regenerate limbs, which come loose more easily than those of other insects.

    It's a great zombie-style player, but it gets depresing after losing your second leg and playing dead, unless you have flying (epic skill) which nets you incredible Intimidate.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:05 No.3137529
    If I was the DM I'd be bringing in Teenaged Babysitter if one of you guys bit the kid.
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)21:06 No.3137531
    But is the Lightening Dash ability worth having to take time to gorge yourself every half-hour.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:06 No.3137533
    Dragonflies are way underpowered. I've got a dragonfly... swarm, I guess out by my house, and they will literally just snatch wasps out of the air and eat them while still hovering. Holy fucking shit man.

    Personally, I like playing a flea if I want to be stealthy (Fuckton armor and HUGE movement bonuses, nevermind size), Tarantulas when I want to tank, and Bullet Ants when I want to do damage. Well, I used to play Bullet Ants, but they got so nerfed its not even funny...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:06 No.3137535
    Fuck I flinched, and not just from that image alone...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:07 No.3137538
    You are thinking of Fully Flight, that is epic, but they get Flying at level ~5 I think, been a while since I checked, but the problem is the distance, it's 6" max last I checked, makes it almost useless.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)21:07 No.3137543
    like I said, only good at running away

    they really only shine in arthropocalypse (no pun intended)
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:08 No.3137547
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    Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:09 No.3137556
    Can we use any of the Australia source books?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:10 No.3137558
    Jesus Christ! Human Teenaged Babysitter? What kind of GM are you?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:10 No.3137564

    FUCK NO. stupid mega damage breaks the whole game.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)21:10 No.3137567
    all she's going to do is go grab bug spray, which just gives the party more time to escape
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:11 No.3137569

    Only if you want to be kicked out the group for powergaming.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:11 No.3137571
    Shit no, that's massively unbalanced. They had to pacify the Exalted Hive players somehow, though.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:11 No.3137575
    Dragonflies are carnivorous, so it can be a problem if you're not playing a heavy combat version, but if you are, Lightning Dash is worth its weight in gold. Reflex Save to ignore successful hits if moving at top speed, able to combo with a charge? FUCK YES.
    Oh, they are in the Bugkeeper's guide (+2 LA? wtf?), but the Pincer and Proboscis version is amazing- each of the substitution levels is brilliant for any sneaky build, and they go well for heavy-hitters that need a little extra trickiness, too. Gotta play them as hit-and-run or divebomber to manage anything, though.
    >> Lord Licorice 12/08/08(Mon)21:11 No.3137576
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    Are you fucking kidding me? That shit is so broken and overpowered. Just look at the stats on this thing.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:13 No.3137589


    And it had 40 minions!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:14 No.3137595
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    I love these little bastards
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:14 No.3137599
    That's as many as four tens!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:15 No.3137600
    Fuck yes. That's what this game is called, not D&D but with bugs, fucking Arthropocalypse.

    BTW, I thought about rolling up a house centipede, doesn't have the toughness or the poison of their cousins, but they also don't have a level adjustment, also the massive bonus to intimidate vs. Humans can get you out of some tricky situations. What do you guys think?
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)21:15 No.3137603
    cut everything by about 20% to 40% and it should be a little better for use, but you'll need to make the rest of the party is playing some fucking super bugs even
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)21:15 No.3137604
    I love this thread.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:15 No.3137605
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    6" max?
    Back in Taiwan I had one of those with a yellow band around its head fly at me from across the fucking room (nearly shat myself, it being out of the few insects I fear), do NOT tell me they don't have full flight, Christ.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:15 No.3137606
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    So /tg/, I was thinking about running the entire campaign of "Evil In the Mounds" but I can't decide if I want to run the Africa or Australia one.
    >> Lord Licorice 12/08/08(Mon)21:16 No.3137610
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    I'll just leave this here.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:17 No.3137612
    If i saw that in my house I would burn the place down and then kill myself
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)21:18 No.3137614
    WE DINE.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:18 No.3137618
    Alright, I've just started GM'ing this and we're doing fine so far. But I'm kinda stuck for campaign ideas; simple turfwars with NPC groups are fine for now while we all settle into our characters, but sooner or later the party is going to want something a bit meatier plot-wise.

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:18 No.3137619
    anyone got a good scorpion tank template? about level 7
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:18 No.3137622
    The Huntsman?

    He's not even poisonous, his bite is decent, but all he has going for him is size, which will often be a hinderance.

    I don't get the hate towards the Australian Sourcebooks, sure a few of the bugs in there are broken as shit.

    I mean, hell, the South American Book has better centipedes, and even the standard book has the fucking Brown Recluse, that fucker is way worse than any spider in the Oz book.
    The Redback is pretty balanced, the Funnel Web is pretty brutal though, good size, and those fangs give him massive damage, and that speed.
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)21:19 No.3137634
    Who you playing with?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:19 No.3137637
    Come on, the Weta ain't overpowered, Stinging Limb and Narrow Bite aren't powerhouses (though they do give good support since they have Sprint and Leap). Unless you play the Giant Weta version, that thing can tank spiders.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:20 No.3137643
    I want to try a Locust, but instead of the boring Omnivore or ubiquitous Unstoppable Plague, I'd like to try something a little different...

    Locust Swarm of One.

    I know, I know, the fluff only mentions it being used-- anywhere-- by stinging insects (Mosquitos, especially), but think about it. The prcs are the same as for Ascetic Survivor, which makes this tough bug even stronger; there's nothing in the rules about it, and it's perfectly in flavour with Locusts.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:20 No.3137644
    That's a specialty subspecies, you have to get the South-East Asia Splatbook for that guy, we were talking about the standard roach.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:21 No.3137650
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    >scorpion tank
    Did someone say my name?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:21 No.3137652
    I don't know, the group hasn't sent me all their sheets yet but I know one player is running this speed twink centipede tank, I can't remember what species.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:22 No.3137656
    Archive dis thread so I can use it after finals are over!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:22 No.3137657

    Concentrate on the feats that improve your claws. Since you're tanking, you can rely on grappling your opponent and slowly tearing them apart. The huge damage and poison effects of the tail look nice, but trust me, a Tanking scorpion doesn't need it. The claws do less damage, but they've got a far better chance of hitting and you get all kinds of special grappling abilities.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:23 No.3137662
    >That's a specialty subspecies, you have to get the South-East Asia Splatbook for that guy, we were talking about the standard roach.
    It... It... I'm ashamed to say it was nothing so exotic... It was American ;_;
    >See link provided in that post
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 12/08/08(Mon)21:24 No.3137669
    Almighty dice gods, someone please write this game!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:26 No.3137679

    Must have had the epic level flight.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:26 No.3137680
    Scorpion? Shit, Scorpion Stinger sub 3, followed by straight Stinger 4. Scoprions are easily one of the best straight melee classes, especially against larger opponents.

    You could also try Scorpion Stinger 2, then switch into five levels of Ascetic Survivor; only do this if you enjoy long combats. You'll kill most opponents with less damage to you, but it'll take longer. The added advantages outside of combat are nice, but try not to meditate inside shoes.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:27 No.3137685
    The best thing about /tg/ is that people have detailed discussions about games that have not been written yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:28 No.3137688
    So, anyone want to stat the Goliath Bird-Eating Spider? Shit is so cash, even though there's no way the DM would let you play a Gargantuan size class creature. Would make epic BBEG henchman, though. They're kinda stupid, like a golem. Just the fangs alone would be the size of most PC's.
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)21:28 No.3137691
    Go Australia then. Africa has a lot of closed in areas.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)21:29 No.3137698
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    >> archivist 12/08/08(Mon)21:30 No.3137709
    on it, just a sec
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:32 No.3137722
    Dude, I'd still recommend the Stag Beetle, just check out that awesome tanking and power
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:33 No.3137732
    Scorpion stinger? No. Even with all those bonuses, you won't hit worth a damn anything your own size or smaller. Grapple-intensive is good, and then you can follow with stings.
    Try Scorpion Stinger 2 for the stat bonuses, then switch to something more meaty, like Undersea Wrestler (scorpions surprisingly fit the prerequisites), or the aforementioned Ascetic build.
    Feat-wise, take any form of Cleave. Sometimes, you'll get a quick kill with your stinger, and being able to follow into an extra grapple.
    Remember your stinger gets +4 to hit on AOE!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:35 No.3137747
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    Okay so 'Evil In the Mounds' guy again, I just got an email from one of my players. He's playing a pretty standard nuker Megarhyssa, but his description is really kind of freaking me out. He goes into a lot of depth about the silken feel of the ovipositors and their colors.

    What should I do? I mean he's a good player but if he starts trying to deposit into other PCs, I think I'm going be sick.

    Pic related- It's his character portrait
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)21:35 No.3137749
    Look at that disarm attempt, hit the scorpion so hard it died!
    >> The Lionhearted !HAGYQOveO. 12/08/08(Mon)21:37 No.3137758
    Discount it and tell him you're not making a raep game.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:38 No.3137760
    Scorpions are aquatic?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:42 No.3137788
    I love you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:42 No.3137789
    They can survive being underwater for two days, which fits the prcs. Hell, ants fit the prcs.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:42 No.3137790
    He's just... getting a feel for his character. Don't discourage him, it's good rol--fff oh god I can't help myself FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:44 No.3137799
    Give him some nice NPCs to release some of the built up tension then. Oh, and be sure to give them some armor saves so when he DOES deposit, it is all the more satisfying.
    What ever you do, do NOT break it off; it would break the man's spirits!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:44 No.3137801
    I can't imagine any of DM that lets you play an ant without MASSIVE movement penalties under any decent sized body of water.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)21:45 No.3137803
    if it's messing up the atmosphere of the game though he needs to cut it out, but if the other players dont give a damn have at it
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:50 No.3137836
    Hey, idea for your next BBEG:
    An army of cyborg-cockroaches controlled by Japs
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:54 No.3137875
    'Mounds of Evil' Guy again, the rest of the players seem pretty cool with whatever and one of the other players also wants to play a wasp now.

    The second I get ovipositor slashfic I'm killing the entire group.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)21:56 No.3137885
    What kind of horror will you unleash upon them?

    Both settings have some DELICIOUSLY dickish monstrosities to unleash.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:58 No.3137896
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    dat thorax... just. dat thorax.

    oh baby.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)21:59 No.3137904
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:01 No.3137916
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    Is dat sum larvae?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:04 No.3137933
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    This is one of the first encounters in the adventure, fuck load of HP and while it doesn't do a lot of damage it ignores armor.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:05 No.3137938
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    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:07 No.3137953
    I can see the first few molts... I like to catch them when they shed, if you know what I mean.

    But LARVAE?! Goddamn, man.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)22:08 No.3137958
    Oh holy hell. You're really gonna make this hard for them, aren't you?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:08 No.3137964
    dude CP is fuckin disgusting i hope you burn in hell
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:09 No.3137967
    Bringing out the mammals from the beginning? Is this an experienced team or are you just a dick?
    >> RAWK LAWBSTARS 12/08/08(Mon)22:09 No.3137973
    I hope you intend for it to be a reoccuring enemy because otherwise holy shit thats mean
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:10 No.3137978
    moar like LP Amirite?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:14 No.3137993
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    >this thread
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:14 No.3138002
    Jumping Jack ants, Bombardiers, poisonous spiders, Scorpions and Mosquitos are all petty effective anti-mammal critters.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:17 No.3138014
    Small scorpions can DPS with their tails, but if you're playing the archetypal 'big fucking emperor scorpion' you're better off with the claws. If you full attack, toss that tail in, sure, but it's not worth it to take multiattack or any of that. You've got improved grab, build to improved grapple and power attack. Remember, power attacks don't lower your grapple checks, so you can dish out some insane damage, plus all that natural armor helps because you're going to be flat-footed a lot of the time. Don't bother taking ability focus with poison or any of that. It's only really useful if you're playing a bark scorpion for damage.

    Of course the real weakness of any scorpion build is flyers, but that's why you've got your own flyers and spiders, especially. I love it-in my last campaign we managed to lure two dozen wasps into a trap set by the orb weaver webmaster. That'll teach those fuckers.

    Though as far as DPS goes, if you're playing in an evil game, totally roll up an assassin bug. Their poisonous saliva is totally vicious, and the DC is high enough to get even tank-type creatures with high fort saves. Nothing starts a fight out well like a bite from an assassin bug the enemy thought was just a pile of dust. Of course, you'll have the problem of the hive-insects not trusting you, which can be a problem for surviving winter if the campaign is set in the higher or lower latitudes. You can either be honest about it, and take the Symbiosis feat, which works well if you're rolling with some Africanized bees because the alignment issues won't be a big deal, but if the local towns are regular bees then you better take Camouflage or Mimic. Stay away from ant hives, they're assholes regardless of what alignment you are, even if the campaign is set after 2006, settle for termites if you have too. Rooming with ants during the winter is just asking to be enslaved or eaten.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:20 No.3138026
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    One of the players is starting at a lower level of the foodchain to begin as a Goliath Beetle Larva. He's mostly just a big spongey sack of HP right now, but if I don't keep the concern of something larger out there they'll breeze through the entire game and infest the entire region.

    Reoccurring enemy, provided the players don't kill it and eat it's body.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:33 No.3138103
    Seriously, someone needs to make a game setting like this. It'd be like Watership Down but for bugs.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:35 No.3138117
    Anyone been able to find a build to take out the Mantis Shrimp yet?
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 12/08/08(Mon)22:36 No.3138120

    I'm putting my money where my chelicerae are: I'll pay between $20 and $40 for a good book (PDF) of this made into a full game. I have Paypal and enough disposable income to do it. That's one guaranteed sale for anyone with the brains and patience to do this right.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:36 No.3138123
    I could see it working very well with hybridized 3.5 D&D rules, but it would take far too much time than /tg/ has the patience for.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:38 No.3138128
    /tg/ Publications, I can just see it...
    One day... One day... We may even buy GW...
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:38 No.3138131
    I've got a piece of shit publishing company online I could do it from with my friends! One of them is a science faggot who knows the 3.5 rules inside out, and the other is just a science faggot who plays D&D.
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)22:40 No.3138150

    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:41 No.3138155
    I actually found one of these things, and captured it till I knew what it was.

    It's harmless to humans, but it lays eggs in other things with those tubes. It's a kind of wasp.
    >> MoundsOfEvil !CanJFBxIAU 12/08/08(Mon)22:41 No.3138158
    I don a tripcode and accept your challenge, my gentleman!
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:42 No.3138172
    But what shall it's name be, /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:44 No.3138181
    Bugs: The Crawling
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:44 No.3138188

    "Traditional Games Publishing"
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:45 No.3138191
    I'm in too. I'll buy it if you can make one. Cross my thorax and hope to die.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:45 No.3138194
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    Stat me
    >> humblebee 12/08/08(Mon)22:47 No.3138210
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    >> archivist 12/08/08(Mon)22:48 No.3138218
    let the basics be nailed down then,

    what species are considered 'core' so far it's something like
    scorpions/big beetles

    I can see people arguing traits like poison and jumping so what rules can ya'll figure on anythin else?

    specialty bugs to be included
    assassin bug
    bombardier beetle
    bullet ant
    what about classes, what are the analogues?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:48 No.3138225
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:49 No.3138231
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/08/08(Mon)22:49 No.3138232
    I'm interested in doing this, too. If you'd like to toss some ideas around, I'd be happy to join in.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:49 No.3138238
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)22:50 No.3138241
    Aardvarks and Anthills?
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 12/08/08(Mon)22:50 No.3138243
    "Arthropocalypse" has a nice ring to it.

    I would like to see some sort of grasshopper/cricket included as a core race.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/08/08(Mon)22:53 No.3138266
    Personally, I like the idea of most species having a few racial substitution levels; a level one stag beetle should be hard to kill with some nice offensive boosts, but one with three racial substitution levels will be much more offensively geared.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:54 No.3138272
    Well, I can see Cricket as a bard, but Grasshopper would be good for what? Camouflage?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:54 No.3138273
    We need to do this. It'd be like bunnies and burrows with BUGS, COURAGE AND MANLINESS.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:54 No.3138274
    The system should be a streamlined version of 3.5.

    I'd imagine that it would be appreciated by biology dorks (like me) as well as the younger crowd. A simple system also means its easier to insert in new arthropod races.

    Plus you'd get to play weird as shit races. You want to play a botfly? Go! You want to play a barnacle driving a crab like a car? Go!
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)22:54 No.3138277
    I would join in too, but I'm sadly only a player, and a mediocre one at that.

    Well, bigger beetles and the like can be berserker/fighter class. Flight insects will vary. ants can be more Scouts/Fighters.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)22:55 No.3138282
    when I came up with that I was really intending it to be the post apocalyptic version of this but if thats what /tg/ wants then so be it

    I just wanted to speak my mind on it
    >> MoundsOfEvil !CanJFBxIAU 12/08/08(Mon)22:59 No.3138312
    Arthropocalypse seems to be what it's archived as. For system do people have their hearts set on a D20 adaption?

    It seems like a simplistic narrative system might appeal to the biology lovers, the younger crowd, and all those guys that keep posting about Mouse Guard.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)22:59 No.3138321
    >You want to play a botfly?

    You emerge from the disease riddled African child's armpit to the light of a new world. You are startled to note that you have taken on a form completely unlike anything you have known before. Your wing casing and exoskeleton hardens quickly and you take flight.

    Adventure awaits.
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 12/08/08(Mon)23:01 No.3138331

    Having never really played a narrative system, I can't really say. How is conflict handled in that kind of system?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:02 No.3138335
    I just wanted to take a second to tell you guys, again, that I love you.
    >> MoundsOfEvil !CanJFBxIAU 12/08/08(Mon)23:02 No.3138337

    And this is why the game has to be made.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:02 No.3138342
    I would buy this game.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:03 No.3138343
    I'd prefer some d20 for this, although I would propose that the class system is more limited in level scope (i.e. the "rogue" class would have ten or so levels to it) and perhaps have an "epic destiny" ala 4e, where once you've maxed out your level, its time to mate/be eaten by your mate/lay eggs and destroy your body.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:05 No.3138354
    If this were to be published in PDF form, would /tg/ want adventures to go with it? (I have some ideas for mechanics I'd like to play around with, but I'm drawing a lot of blanks on mechanics)
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:06 No.3138356
    This is an Etymologist's wet dream.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)23:06 No.3138360
    most classes would almost have to be genus specific
    >> archivist 12/08/08(Mon)23:07 No.3138366
    so a characters life ends in combat or in mating...

    that and there are no elves to piss people off with either, equally awesome
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)23:07 No.3138370
    Okay, so, thread requested 2 times.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:07 No.3138373
    Oh fuck you Firefox autocorrect, I did not mean Ety.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:08 No.3138374
    i also prefer genus specific classes
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:10 No.3138382
    By some slight mutation, all the colonies within several hundred miles are allied and connected! RESIST YOUR OPPRESSIVE FIRE ANT OVERLORDS!
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/08/08(Mon)23:10 No.3138386
    I think most classes would fit quite a few races-- maybe give each race a list of keywords, and each class a list of keywords required to fit it. "Stinger" would work for Mosquitos and Scorpions, but not Earwigs.
    >> archivist 12/08/08(Mon)23:11 No.3138391

    careful or there will be to many options and new players would get bored REAL fast
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:12 No.3138398
    To what extent are we anthropomorphising these bugs? Some sort of hidden insect civilization or something more limited?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:12 No.3138400
    I'm thinking more like watership down with bugs, like I said. Starts out with a bit of exploring, mostly survival, but then deal with the wars between the major hive insects. I'm seeing ants as antagonists, your basic orc/goblin kind of enemy, bees and termites as more friendly, but the bees are a dying race and the termites are no match for the evil depths the ants are willing to sink to. It's up to the PCs to save 'civilization.' Of course, the world is a dangerous place regardless, with birds, mice, rats, and other voracious predators. It's only fellow arthropods which are able to be conversed with and which have intelligence, however. Other creatures are mostly dumb beasts, though some theorize that due to the malice with which some primates attack arthropods, they must have some sort of intelligence, but others disagree.
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)23:12 No.3138401
    It really makes sense, since a scorpion rogue is not going to play at all like a dragonfly rogue or even a spider rogue
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:12 No.3138402
    i disagree strongly
    i feel that scorpion and mosquito classes and such should have nothing to do with each other (as an example)
    >> MoundsOfEvil !CanJFBxIAU 12/08/08(Mon)23:13 No.3138404
    Thread is autosaging, shall we relocate to a new thread?
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:14 No.3138415
    Someone start new one or I will.
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 12/08/08(Mon)23:16 No.3138427
    Yes, please start a new thread.
    I will have to go to bed soon, but I'll be checking here tomorrow evening, hopefully there'll still be discussion from this.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:16 No.3138428
    Pretty sure there is another one already up.
    >> Anonymous 12/08/08(Mon)23:16 No.3138431
    should there be classes and races?
    or should creature choice be both?

    should there be scorpion rogues and fighters
    or should there just be one Scorpion selection (though preferably with some options contained within it)?
    >> RAWK LAWBSTAR 12/08/08(Mon)23:19 No.3138446
    the other one is the post-apoc spinoff of this
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)23:20 No.3138455
    Here you guys go:
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/08/08(Mon)23:22 No.3138460
    Done! >>3138453
    >> Arcbound 12/08/08(Mon)23:23 No.3138470
    That works too.

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