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    249 KB Mouse Guard RPG is here! photosynthesisplantorgan 12/06/08(Sat)06:11 No.3122644  

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)06:22 No.3122651
    In before redwall sues the fuck outta them. Also. Furries.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/06/08(Sat)06:30 No.3122663
    didn't happen with the comics.
    besides, Brian Jacques seems like a pretty chill guy.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)06:45 No.3122673
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    >> Retrospector !wKqyMvZCLo 12/06/08(Sat)06:54 No.3122685
    Don't you mean a pretty chill racist that loves food?
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/06/08(Sat)06:54 No.3122691
    Fucking Vermin.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)06:57 No.3122694
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)06:58 No.3122697
    Deep man, deep.
    >> Retrospector !wKqyMvZCLo 12/06/08(Sat)06:59 No.3122702
    The food loving part isn't bad at all, I'm just saying you're leaving something out.

    Now the racist... let's just change that to possible racist or closet racist.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:00 No.3122704
    I try, I try.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:08 No.3122711
    Racist? Huh?
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/06/08(Sat)07:09 No.3122714
    >> photosynthesisplantorgan 12/06/08(Sat)07:15 No.3122731
    Mouse Guard puts Redwall to shame. :)
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:17 No.3122736
    Meh, gotta have an enemy. Nobody saw any overtones in the hyenas from The Lion King being entirely batshit.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:19 No.3122744
    What is this 'Redwall' of which you speak, hmm?
    >> Retrospector !wKqyMvZCLo 12/06/08(Sat)07:21 No.3122748
    A book series about xenophobia.
    >> ­­Warwolt 12/06/08(Sat)07:21 No.3122750
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:28 No.3122768
    Is it worth looking into? I enjoyed Mouse Guard, if that helps.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:34 No.3122791
    Yeah. They're good books, but they'll all start to run together if you read too many. It gets annoying trying to remember which charismatic protagonist led which outnumbered militia against the evil power du jour.
    >> Retrospector !wKqyMvZCLo 12/06/08(Sat)07:38 No.3122815
    It's aimed towards children so you won't find anything "hardcore" in it. Mouse Guard is more violent than the Redwall series, which is full of positive morals and values. It's fun stuff to read while you're younger, but older readers may not enjoy it.
    >> photosynthesisplantorgan 12/06/08(Sat)07:40 No.3122818
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    a screenie from one of the Mouse Guard comics. It's really good stuff. Check them out.
    >> photosynthesisplantorgan 12/06/08(Sat)07:40 No.3122821
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    and these really nice figures. *drools*
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)07:42 No.3122828
    I've read some in the PDF, If I ever find this in a store I am gonna buy it at an instance.

    World of Darkness, your overcomplicated rules can go FUCK them self. This book got what I need, interesting facts about stuff I can actively use in game and relevant background fact. Not any asslame shit that no one won't ever use anyway. FUCK YEAH~~ new favorite RP
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:42 No.3122829
    So the furfags are trying to implant their shit in /tg/ again?

    SAGE, for all that's holy!
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)07:46 No.3122842
    oh you.
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)07:47 No.3122845

    Wait, how is talking mice who kills stuff furfaggotry? Go learn wtf furfags IS.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:00 No.3122856
    Holy shit, those are awesome! Where the fuck can I get some!?
    >> photosynthesisplantorgan 12/06/08(Sat)08:03 No.3122872
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    Temporary sold out on the sites I checked...





    ebay maybe? good luck.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:10 No.3122886
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    < this is furry.

    Mouse Guard is not furry.

    The more you know.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:19 No.3122902
    I hate that argument.
    However, I can understand the logic behind it, though I will never agree to it.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:23 No.3122907
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    Furry is sexualisation of anthromorphs. i.e. Antromorph porn.

    Mouse Guard, Wind in the Willows, etc are not antromorph porn so GTFO
    >> Schrödinger !!HabIEzSQ0tA 12/06/08(Sat)08:23 No.3122908
    Its not so much a matter of furry/not furry, so much as bad furry and tolerable furry.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:27 No.3122910
    Now this explanation of it I can get behind.

    This, not so much, as I will be stubborn and continue to use the, according to you all, old definition of furry.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:28 No.3122915
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    ...Why do you have this shit with you?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:30 No.3122920
    Another day, another "LOL IS IT FURRY GUYS IS IT FURRY CAN I LIKE IS IT SAFE I SEE SOME FUR IS IT FURRY" debate. You can't have your own likes and dislikes, people on the internet decide them for you.
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)08:48 No.3122931
    ># Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), or loli/shota pornography.

    >anthropomorphic ("furry")

    Furry fandom (also known as furrydom, furridom, fur fandom or furdom) refers to the fandom for fictional anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities and characteristics.[1]Examples of anthropomorphic attributes include exhibiting human intelligence and facial expressions, the ability to speak, walk on two legs, and wear clothes. Furry fandom is also used to refer to the community of artists, writers, role players and general fans of the furry art forms who gather on the net and at conventions.[2][3]

    Furry is NOT the same as fable-characterse .. fucking retards

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:55 No.3122947
    >> Schrödinger !!HabIEzSQ0tA 12/06/08(Sat)08:56 No.3122951
    Its an enormous penis.
    That should be obvious by the "(c) Doug Winger"
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)08:58 No.3122958

    Here's the way it should be read:
    >anthropomorphic ("furry") pornography
    >grotesque ("guro") pornography
    >loli/shota pornography

    Here's the way you retarded trollfags read it:
    >anthropomorphic ("furry"),
    >grotesque ("guro")
    >loli/shota pornography.

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:03 No.3122959
    Yes goddammit this.

    Also, according to that definition of furry bugs bunny and a shitton of other innocuous shit is furry too. If you want to be logical by any stretch you either need to adapt a new definition or stop raging about furry in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:06 No.3122969
    love this comic
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:11 No.3122985
    OP you are a god and a saint. If only you weren't a namefag, but since you are I hate you and I wish you'd die.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:12 No.3122987
    the system is very much to a indie press rpg called Burning Wheel. i like burning wheel so ill try and run this one with my group
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:15 No.3122991
    >That should be obvious by the "(c) Doug Winger"
    The name means nothing to me. I have little to no knowledge of the furry art community.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:16 No.3122998
    I prefer WoD to this kiddy bullshit anyday. Go fuck yourself tripfag you're probably a fucking 12 year old underage b&.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/06/08(Sat)09:19 No.3123009
    he's gone beyond the "furry art community," friend.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:22 No.3123017
    Thank you OP.
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)09:29 No.3123026

    Because I think its charmy? Fuck you aswell, I play a load of horror and generally grim settings as well as eventually this. World of Darkness is a game I play often, and while I like the setting, I think the books needs to go SHOOT themself.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:40 No.3123053
    Rat was here
    Mouse is Loser
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:47 No.3123061

    Mathias drops a fucking bell on someone at the end of one book.

    Ps. Long Patrol ftw.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:48 No.3123066
    Protip: There is a sick, fat bastard in a greasy [weird costume] out there who faps over the thoughts of fucking [Everything and anything you've ever loved]. Get over it and enjoy the things you enjoy, because they are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)09:51 No.3123069

    Boar the Fighter's rage unto death in Mossflower is so epicly badass.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)10:03 No.3123091
    Are...are those mice beating down a dragon? My god, I must play this.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)10:16 No.3123100
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      | |       |  |   |     U :::::::::::::|
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)10:23 No.3123115
    Don't bother, it sort of screwed up when it came out; it's supposed to be a cat looking at a computer, sweating profusely.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)10:24 No.3123118
    Wasn't he the one wearing spiked armor who grabbed the enemy leader in a bear hug and crushed him as the rest of the enemy army hacked him to bits?
    >> Christmas Ape 12/06/08(Sat)11:03 No.3123197
    You know, the fucking internet drama aside, this is a seriously fantastic RPG. You don't even have to like the material it's based on - read the Conflicts section. This shit is GOLD. As a generic fantasy RPG rules base it whips ass on anything I've seen before.
    >> Salamanders Fanboi !!5UlGlkaxBkH 12/06/08(Sat)11:04 No.3123201
    Redwall was good until I realized it was the same book with different covers.

    Still, the first few were badass.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:06 No.3123205

    So fucking badass.

    Some wizened old warrior who dies destroying a ship full of corsairs.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:06 No.3123210

    I say everything before Pearls of Lutra is gold.

    The Long Patrol can be added in, just for sheer hare awesomeness.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:22 No.3123249
    if any of you fa/tg/uys are interested, the game designer for this made Burning Wheel. a fantasy RPG more based off of Tollkens works with the same type of system. exellent stuff
    >> Christmas Ape 12/06/08(Sat)11:23 No.3123252
    I honestly think this is a better RPG than Burning Wheel.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:23 No.3123254
    What the hell? How is WoD at all complicated? Durr hurr stat + skill + equipment + modifiers? = dice pool. You work off of a system of fives and tens. D&D is more complicated than WoD.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)11:25 No.3123261

    How so? For once I'm actually curious instead of willing to curbstomp the first person to say anything at all. I downloaded this, but haven't read yet. So why do you think this is better?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:28 No.3123268
    How is d20+Bonus>DC more difficult than stat + skill + equipment + modifiers? = dice pool ? Just asking..
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:30 No.3123275

    Meh, WoD doesn't have overcomplicated rules, but the 100+ pages of SRS BSNS fluff at the start of the Vampire: The Requiem book made me want to shoot myself.
    >> GTVA Colossus !moot/UIi/o 12/06/08(Sat)11:38 No.3123295

    That book also had the single example of a good vermin dude, that corsair stoat who made the boats.

    The first book, no less. On Cluny the Scourge, still the best bad guy in the series.

    I miss this series from when I was a kid, but I had to agree with >>3123210, Pearls was shit and I can only assume that they got worse from there.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:38 No.3123301
    Page 19. Oh boy. WH40k has "for the greater good." But Mouse Guard has "serve the GREATEST good."

    Hardcore, man.
    >> Ragefest Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:39 No.3123305
    yes, that's it.
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)11:45 No.3123312

    The rules aren't complicated (I suppose I wrote it weird), but the books are OVER complicated.

    What he said
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)11:45 No.3123315
    Except that no matter what the players decide to do, they can't get stripped of their abilities for picking what the GM deems the "wrong" way to go about things.
    >> Christmas Ape 12/06/08(Sat)11:47 No.3123319
    Open your pdf and go to page 96. Read up to page 126. It is GOLD, and has changed my perception of Luke Crane completely. I am going to purchase one, perhaps two copies of this book.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)12:19 No.3123431

    A question, if I may. The nature, as I see it, works like a skill or an attribute, only it can be used in more than one way. Is this correct?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)12:29 No.3123473
    Predators are always evil in Mouse Guard. It must be racist.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)12:38 No.3123513
    Holy crap. I've been waiting forever for this thing.

    Is the link real?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)12:40 No.3123523

    >> Christmas Ape 12/06/08(Sat)13:03 No.3123612
    Yes to both of you.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:03 No.3123613
    Speciest, actually. And it is--the Guard Code thing mentions "protecting our species"
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:10 No.3123632
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    Because maybe he likes it? Or because maybe he can so effectively use it to troll the likes of you?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:11 No.3123636
    Mouse Guard is a strange and hostile world where absolutely everything other than you is a monster.

    Can mice and other sentient critters even communicate?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:12 No.3123643
    >Another day, another "LOL IS IT FURRY GUYS IS IT FURRY CAN I LIKE IS IT SAFE I SEE SOME FUR IS IT FURRY" debate. You can't have your own likes and dislikes, people on the internet decide them for you.

    Quoted for truth.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)13:18 No.3123662

    So yeah, seems very, very solid. Plenty of very good rules. Hell, it doesn't even seem to be that hard to use it in a homebrewn setting if you want to. Some changing here and there.
    Also, I have to admit that the conflicts are very much simpler now. Not less intresting, just much more simple.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:19 No.3123668
    yes, iirc, few cases
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)13:21 No.3123673

    Quick addendum:

    Although I'd certainly say that the setting has been put into it very well. It's not just a bunch of incorporeal fluff, much of the rules has a lot of the flavor.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:22 No.3123678
    I really think there SHOULD be a Redwall RPG.

    The Long Patrol is one of my favorites of the latter series, if only for awesome hares, but the earlier stuff is better. Someone in the thread said that Mattimeo is great, and I'd have to fucking agree. The Bellmaker and Mariel of Redwall are also both stellar. Also, Salamandastron.

    The later books start to blur together and seem...simplified, somehow, like Jacques is going through the motions. Villains, riddles, feasts, Martin's in a dream...it all happens like clockwork.

    Interestingly enough, the FIRST book seems out of place too, since it refers to human constructions, like St. Ninian's church and a horse drawn cart that the rats ride in on. The Abbot also name's Martin the Warrior's sword "Ratdeath". None of these things are ever mentioned again.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:26 No.3123693
    I miss a magic system, maybe one that made you lose Nature. But just because I want to make it a generic fantasy setting. It's awesome anyway.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:31 No.3123703
    I love how everything in this is about little details and things somebody made by hand. That applies doubly to the comic. Even the Black Axe has to dig under the snow in a storm, and harden the snow around the chamber using a candle, and poke a hole for the smoke, and carefully dry wet clothes over the fire, etc.

    It's very Dwarf Fortress, in that sense. (Also in the sense that absolutely everything is out to kill you)
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:37 No.3123721
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:38 No.3123727
    Shit was so Mouse Fortress.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)13:39 No.3123734

    That was the most awesome picture in the whole book.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)13:42 No.3123754
    Also, slightly surprised that there are no rats in the book. I mean, weasels seem to inhabit a similar place, but still.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:45 No.3123773
    Exactly! I mean, I'm sure you could say the same for almost any setting, but there is the potential for HUGE epic stories in Redwall, full of heroics, violence, drama, and all those good things.

    I'd run a siege on Salamandastron. The mountain is in between badger lords when an albatross warlord brings his army of terns, gannets, and gulls to turn the cliffs into their new sanctuary.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:45 No.3123774
    Well, it's not Redwall. Mouse Guard is less "popular notions of vermin are the enemy" and more "predators and weather are the enemy, any other instance is weird."
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:46 No.3123779
    skaven much?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:49 No.3123782
    Skaven not at all?
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)13:51 No.3123786

    It's not that I was thinking Redwall or something. Not even that they have too few enemies. Hell no! I was more surprised because rats are pretty damn common, all things considered. But it sure doensn't take any fun out of the game.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)13:53 No.3123802

    Mouse Fortress? FUND IT!
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:00 No.3123803
    Your HURRRRRRR DURRRRRRRR is showing.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:00 No.3123806
    Fuck yeah, Mouse Guard
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:02 No.3123821
    Right, and rats (as far as I know) don't usually eat mice.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:03 No.3123828
    Oh shit, albatross! Hahah!

    That's another thing about Mattimeo. Not only does it have crazy Lovecraftian cultists and hordes of milky-eyed forest savages driven insane somehow, but it also has an army of ravens.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:04 No.3123834
    Do squirrels REALLY eat mice?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:11 No.3123865
    Both squirrels and rats, in their long association with humanity, have become ultimate opportunists and will eat just about every fucking thing they can get their grubby little claws on.
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    Squirrels eat anything.

    I saw a squirrel eating a squirrel once.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)14:14 No.3123887

    True, rats don't actively hunt mice and such. They are happy to kill and eat a meaty smaller rodent if they see one, but rats are omnivorous and don't really need it. But they do if the opportunity presents itself.

    That said, I can see why they went with weasels. Those, on the other hand, are downright nasty bastards and hunt and kill all rodents they see. Except capybara.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:15 No.3123889

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:17 No.3123900
    >Those, on the other hand, are downright nasty bastards and hunt and kill all rodents they see. Except capybara.

    And you know they'd go after capybara if they had the chance.

    Except, in my setting, all the capybara know capoeira.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:18 No.3123906
    I am never looking at a squirrel the same way again. That pic is even worse than the HURRR DURRR squirrels.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)14:21 No.3123908

    Hey, the bird knew the risks, and didn't heed them. It's its own fault.

    On a sidenote, squirrels have an awesome jaw mechanism that actually locks them from opening until they meet each other. That means that if the damn thing bites you, it will either bite through or die trying.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:21 No.3123910
    Weasels are awesome and the natural enemy of mice.

    Granting, of course, that these are unbelivably hardcore ultra-mice who can somehow stand up to Weasels, who are long and thin for the same reason Iowa-class battleships have flat sides.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:25 No.3123923
    The Lynx Emperor had a harem of housecats. And all of his minions at one pointed talked about his divine God which cared for his ancestors, and crushed all opposition.

    I missed the early days when they were dungeon crawling through human wreckage before it got retcon'd to shit. Also, is it me or are the Pike in Redwall on par with the Carp from Dorf Fortress?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:28 No.3123931
    Hey, pike are fucking vicious fish...es...
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:29 No.3123932
    Then how do they carry things in their mouth without destroying them?
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:29 No.3123939
    >>Granting, of course, that these are unbelivably hardcore ultra-mice who can somehow stand up to Weasels
    Weapons. Equalizing people since the day someone picked up a rock.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:30 No.3123942
    I'm shit scared of squirrels.
    Seriously, one time, I walked home. Squirrel suddenly skittered around the tree and stared at me. I walked past. Next tree, the same thing. There were no more trees - there was only a bin ahead. So, I walked past the bin.

    Motherfucking squirrel jumped out at me.

    They're the new fucking rats. I see squirrels walking along with half-eaten sandwiches, slices of pizza, anything they can get their hands on.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:34 No.3123967
    The weasels, you will note, have weapons and armor too.

    Look at >>3123721
    It's carrying mice-sized weapons as trophies. Look how small they are compared to his.

    As >>3123910 said, weasels are shaped the way they are so they can fit inside mouse-sized burrows despite being much larger than them.
    >> Commissar Internet !!49Ay+6zEbfG 12/06/08(Sat)14:35 No.3123969
    My roommate and I were smoking a joint in a park once when we realized we had been surrounded by squirrels. We promptly roached the joint and hauled ass. IIRC a swarm of squirrels tore a dog to pieces in Russia.
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:36 No.3123974

    Oh god, the idea of two thousand armed mice fighting a bear.

    It's glorious.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:37 No.3123975
    >"Five steps higher—wolves, etc.—require 2,000
    mice. A war with an animal six steps higher on
    the Natural Order scale—bears and moose—
    requires 20,000 mice."

    Jesus. Good luck with that.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)14:38 No.3123979

    They don't bite down on them with all their strenght. When they bite something to hurt it, they do. That's what makes the jaws lock.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:38 No.3123982
    >They're the new fucking rats. I see squirrels walking along with half-eaten sandwiches, slices of pizza, anything they can get their hands on.


    This year had the smallest acorn crop on record. The majority of squirrels will die before this winter is out - tens of millions of them.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:38 No.3123983
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:39 No.3123985
    >My roommate and I were smoking a joint in a park once when we realized we had been surrounded by squirrels. We promptly roached the joint and hauled ass.

    They just wanted a hit of that.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:43 No.3124000
    Mice using swords and forming kingdoms IS anthro, fucker.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:44 No.3124006
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    God, now I want to make a sciencemouse who captures bears.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:45 No.3124010
    My cat totally comes around whenever he smells pot smoke. I think mammals are smart enough to learn to like the second hand high.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:46 No.3124015
    And indeed, you should.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:50 No.3124034
    Capturing bears would be a Ob 12 resources check, if I am correct...

    That means that you have to get twelve Resource successes - I don't think there's any mouse motherfucking alive with a Resource above 10, which means a maximum of 10 successes.

    Capturing bears is impossible without allied help.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:53 No.3124053
    Do you know why they call it Mouse Guard?

    [spoiler]Because they're all guards and one mouse.[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:53 No.3124056
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    This is a finely-crafted steel axe. It is ringed with bands of squirrel leather. On the item is an image of swords.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)14:56 No.3124059
    You're not going to have just one mouse capturing a bear. Doing big things is an epic undertaking, and you're not playing Exalted. You're not even playing Bunnies and Burrows. You're all a bunch of mice. With swords. You're not going to capture a bear. You're going to be part of a massive, multi-fortress effort to stop it from rampaging around, clawing open forts and eating the mice (and honey) inside.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:01 No.3124084
    You're not going to have just one mouse capturing a bear. Doing big things is an epic undertaking, and you're not playing Exalted. You're not even playing Bunnies and Burrows. You're all a bunch of mice. With swords. You're not going to capture a bear. You're going to be part of a massive, multi-fortress effort to stop it from rampaging around, clawing open forts and eating the mice (and honey) inside.

    It'll either be an epic-scale ewok affair, or a bear running around with fifty thousand tiny arrows sticking out of it.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:06 No.3124096
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    Oh hi don't mind me, I just skin my insubordinates alive and kill overpowered badgers single-handedly and very nearly take over the main stronghold of a bunch of militaristics.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:09 No.3124114
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    Okay faggots, modder here - consider Mouse Guard/Redwall DF mod in the works
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:13 No.3124136
    Mouse Guard Fortress makes way more sense.

    Open up the OP's link, or read the comics. The mice are rather DF. They use tons of neat hand-crafted everything, have tons and tons of craftsmen of every kind, and generally live in fortresses, with caravans sent from place to place.

    Also, they have no magic, but are nevertheless able to fight off creatures vastly larger than themselves using legendary fighters and/or siege mechanics.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:15 No.3124148
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:16 No.3124151
    But Redwall Fortress gives you more options for species for your side.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:17 No.3124153
    The main trouble of making Mouse Fortress would be the scale of it.

    Trees would need to be replaced, for example. Trees wouldn't be one-square things. They'd be huge pillars, one or two to a map. You'd burrow into them the same way you mine into the earth. I don't think you can mod that.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:18 No.3124155
    I've been looking it over. I was actually thinking about Mouse Guard Fortress before someone else posted it. It'll mainly be Mouse Guard with different race elements from Redwall universe thrown in. That way we can have generic rat enemies along with more dangerous weasels, with badger allies and hares.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:18 No.3124156
    You generally dont get allies in DF unless you count caravan guards.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)15:18 No.3124162
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    Accept no substitutes.

    Yes, I'm aware of the irony.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:19 No.3124164
    I'll just rename trees to fallen sticks and twigs of that tree type.

    DF modding is full of workarounds like this. The next DF release will allow even more modding.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)15:20 No.3124172

    >>With badger allies and hares.
    >>Badger allies

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:20 No.3124173
    >But Redwall Fortress gives you more options for species for your side.

    Why is this a plus?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:21 No.3124177
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    Modder here: Democracy has spoken - So general consensus is Mice only against a horde of unforgiving enemies larger than them?
    Final destination.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:23 No.3124186
    Okay, maybe not, then.

    How about Salamandastron Fortress? Digging out the volcano with your hares. One badger lord giving orders...
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:25 No.3124193
    I think it's because most of us are the more unrelenting, Boatmurdered-type DF players. The kind who were disappointed when Elephants were patched to be more docile.

    On the other hand, Redwall Fortress would certainly allow for a much wider variety of Lavish Cake and Legendary Meat Bread.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)15:25 No.3124194
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    D'you reckon Celanawe could be statted? Or is he too badass for that?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:26 No.3124201
    Personally speaking: Mouse Guard is awesome. DF is awesome. I've never read anything about Redwall but it doesn't sound as cool.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:28 No.3124213
    I know. Thank Armok for carp, seriously.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:32 No.3124223
    the books went to shit after a while.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:33 No.3124229
    >Okay, maybe not, then.

    I was just asking a question. WOULD it make it better? If so, how?

    I've never read any redwall.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:33 No.3124233
    Indeed. Jacques just got older and a bit stuck in the formula.
    >> not OP 12/06/08(Sat)15:34 No.3124235
    We've decided that they were going to mug us, because apparently all of Toronto's squirrels are crackheads.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:34 No.3124238
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    >Legendary Meat Bread.

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:37 No.3124253
    Possibly. Redwall revolves around the titular abbey, a massive red-stone house for mice, squirrels, moles, otters, and the occasional other good woodland creature. It's a peaceful place where they raise their kids and just live their lives.

    Often in the history of Redwall, bands of vermin (rats, stoats, weasels, foxes, and other "evil" animals) have tried to take the place away from them for one reason or another.

    That's over-simplifying things, naturally. There's a bit more history to the setting. But I could see the fun in having your all-around-average mice that are backed up by squirrels that a good at climbing and moles who can dig tunnels and otters who can fight in the water...
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:48 No.3124299
    Sounds way too specialist for the dwarf fortress engine.

    I mean, forts typically only have like, 100 dorfs tops. Might get awkward if that's split between five or six species.

    Plus Mouse Guards are stotic, angry, medieval fellows.

    Also: Squirrels are the fucking spawn of Satan.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:52 No.3124321
    Yeah you can't have multiple civ fortresses, but trading caravans with guards who help out when you get attacked -

    As for stoic, angry, medieval fellows -


    I'm sure some of these tokens will apply.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)15:56 No.3124339
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:00 No.3124354
    How the hell does a mouse beat a fox?

    Or is it like that Mouse Guard page about needing 100 armed, armored mice to beat one?
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)16:02 No.3124364

    Try not to think about it. They're heroes or something.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:06 No.3124382
    I can buy Celanawe driving a wolf away by jumping on its head and pulling a wire through its mouth.

    But a fox that's supposedly smart? With opposable thumbs and armor and a sword twice the size of his opponent? Get the fuck out.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:07 No.3124386
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    lol Rodentia
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:09 No.3124400
    Redwall is "less realistic" in that you have stories where heroes attack and defeat forces much larger physically and numerically, while in Mouse Guard the system calls for craftiness or overwhelming with sheer numbers.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:10 No.3124409
    Well, is it all anthropomorphic, where a mouse is only a little smaller than a fox so they can have sex?

    I mean, uh, shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:16 No.3124423
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    Anyone know what happened to the inked version of this that anon said they where going to make? :]
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:21 No.3124431
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:21 No.3124434
    Dunno, Redwall makes the point that creatures are all different sizes. A cat is big enough to hold a mouse's entire body in its mouth (and does, in one scene). A badger is big enough and strong enough to lift furniture that would take whole teams of big, burly mice just to scrape across the floor (a badger threatens a general of rats while wielding a table). So in that sense, Redwall pays attention to sizes.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:24 No.3124446
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    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:30 No.3124460
    Redwall mice are generally the size of large rats, not the size of actual mice. This is probably so that they actually fight and take down rats and foxes and so on. Everything else is generally normal-sized.

    Now, as I have made a character, I NEED A CHARACTER SHEET. WHERE CAN I FIND ONE
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:37 No.3124486
    In Redwall, Badgers are the bestest.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:51 No.3124527
    Holy shit. I read up to where the part where the owl is outside their hole, but the last couple chapters of the winter book aren't on /rs/. Does anyone have a copy they can share?

    I know /tg/ is not /r/, but /r/ is shit and this is thread related.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:52 No.3124536
    Seeing as the book doesnt go to print till early next year I'm assuming this is a pre-production copy so any mistakes will probably be fixed.

    I read a few of the Redwall books as a kid, and I picked up Mouse Guard, I have to say there is little similarity past both being anthropomorphic.

    The Redwall books were very set into "these species are evil and these others are good."

    Mouse Guard doesn't have that, and seems to have a lot more diversity within its world, it's more realistic with the characters able to advance themselves. In Redwall they were pretty much stuck as whatever they were born into if I remember correctly.

    Oh well few more months till my Autumn HC gets some company.
    >> Mouse !r9w.Zv6o7o 12/06/08(Sat)16:53 No.3124548
    I'm pretty sure all of Winter's not out yet. I'd been looking for it.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:54 No.3124549
    last couple chapters aren't made yet, still doing the art and story for them
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:57 No.3124557
    Im getting this game on my way to work, its going to kick ass
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)16:59 No.3124573
    Pic comes from the RPG
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:08 No.3124618
    Thanks Anon.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:09 No.3124621
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    Goddam this looks so cute. I like d6's, too, so I think I'll like this.

    I've never even fucking heard of mouseguard before.

    Tell me moar, /teegee/.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:09 No.3124626
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    Have fun, /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:16 No.3124661
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:19 No.3124682
    To the non-educated, things look cute.
    To the educated, things can be -incredibly- badass.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:23 No.3124711
    One of my friends ran a Redwall RP using the D&D Freeport rules. We played a crew of vermin pirates. The badger lord had the stat line of a dragon.

    Most awesome game I've ever been in.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:25 No.3124715

    But just LOOK at them! They're so little, and they're saying lolmouse like stuff about grain or something!

    Seriously, though. I don't think I can read what they're saying. My brain replaces the words with twittering noises and "i liek grans."
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:26 No.3124716
    If the dragon didn't butcher you, or die butchering you, or if his son didn't butcher you after you barely killed him, then it wasn't Redwall.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:27 No.3124728
    >We played a crew of vermin pirates.

    Now THAT sounds cool.

    Row row fight the power, etc.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:29 No.3124733
    You have to either be a fa/tg/irl or retarded.
    Yes, the mice found some fucking grain. Look how badass Saxon is being about it. It's as if it's come out of an action film sequel.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:29 No.3124734
    Well, they ARE cute. You've got me there.

    I guess I could implore you to scroll up and click on other images in this thread, but I imagine if you were going to do that you'd have done so already.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:33 No.3124756
    >The badger lord had the stat line of a dragon.

    That probably fits.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)17:38 No.3124783
    Cuteness of Mouse Guard can be commented thusly. Sure, they're cute, they have little button eyes and teeny-weeny wiggly noses. They have big ears and stubby hands and round little bodies. And they even have their own novelty weapons. It's cute.

    Then one of them faces a viper, and in his greatest hour of peril, remembers the very reason he grasps the blade in his hand. Without paying a thought for the danger, without hesitating, he leaps and smashes into the dread beast's venomous mouth. And then he punches his sword through its skull and brains from the inside.

    Afterwards, the snake is cut open and the mice find the half digested body of the one they were supposed to escort to safety.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:38 No.3124784
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    Okay, yeah, gray mouse with gray cloak is badass. I should base my generalizations on more than one picture.

    Also, I'm sure that my opinion of Saxon's cuteness is a result of me owning a pet mouse that looks like him.

    Goddam this game is awesome. Fuck yes shields.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:40 No.3124795
    God damn it, I should've given Twitch a shield instead of a bow.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:42 No.3124800
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    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)17:46 No.3124809
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    Yes. Yes, you should have.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:46 No.3124813
    Jesus, read the Denizens chapter. Being a mouse is basically a living Hell.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)17:48 No.3124820

    Pretty much. Nothing, NOTHING is going to cut the mice any slack. And that's why the Guard is doubly awesome.
    >> Enthusiastic Mouse Guard Noob 12/06/08(Sat)17:53 No.3124840
    Changed my name so you can rage at my posts more easily.

    Anyway, I read something in there about fur colors and cloak colors, and about cloak colors being based around personality or something. I want to make an albino mouse with a white cloak that runs around overcompensating for his bad eyesight by acting like a paladin. Is there a table for this sort of stupid shit?

    I think I'm gonna GM this and make a DMPC with pink fur and a black cloak that gets eaten by a hawk really early on. Just to impart on my players the fact that this is going to be kickass, and that faggots will be summarily executed.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:53 No.3124842
    If you stay in your towns and pray a bear doesn't step on it or stay on the road and pray a wolverine doesn't live on it, then you should be okay.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:56 No.3124859
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    I raged.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:56 No.3124861
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    >Nothing, NOTHING is going to cut the mice any slack.

    Well... maybe not NOTHING.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)17:57 No.3124862
    Traits: Page 256.
    I'd say choose either Brave or Compassionate or both if you can.
    Go to Page 297 for character creation.
    >> Phobonaut !tTBC.7oEaQ 12/06/08(Sat)17:59 No.3124869


    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)18:03 No.3124882

    Albino mouse isn't a bad idea in itself. Certainly not unrealistic. Could lend itself for some intresting roleplay. Hmh, there might even be a trait. Lessee...

    Nope, but certainly can be done.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:04 No.3124895
    Are there humans in the world of Mouse Guard?
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:05 No.3124898

    Everyone is fucking racist.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:05 No.3124902
    >The hare is a large rabbit. In the summer, his coat is dark brown. In the winter he molts and his fur turns brilliant white with black-tipped white ears. Hares are sapient and peaceful, but they don’t wear much in terms of clothing or use tools or weapons.
    >From time to time, hares and mice ally. The hares allow the mice to use them as mounts and are paid for their services in food or manufactured goods.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/06/08(Sat)18:05 No.3124906

    No. None have been seen, no evidence of their existence... exists. We really hope it stays that way.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:09 No.3124920

    Sounds good to me. Having the mice scavenging through the ruins of old human settlements might get boring after a while. Though considering the size of the place you could have something of an adventure there -- an entire colony of sentient creatures exploring a vast building, mistaking it for some sort of bizarre natural formation maybe. Being chased around by a Roomba gone mad over the centuries.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:12 No.3124930
    Whoa this has my interest. I remember reading something back then as a kid (...cough*redwall*cough).

    How's the RPG system? And is there some place I can get scans of the comic?
    >> Enthusiastic Mouse Guard Noob 12/06/08(Sat)18:17 No.3124948
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    194 made me D'AWWW.

    Bad mouse? Cool armor, though. I'm going to give my mouse that armor.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:23 No.3124973
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    The only Redwall book I've read is this one.

    I enjoyed it, read it again just a couple years ago and it was still a prety good read.

    From what your talking about in this thread it seems kind of atypical among the Redwall books though.

    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)18:25 No.3124993
    He was a Black Axe impostor who lead an assault on Lockhaven and got his ass handed to him by the real deal, iirc.
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    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)18:43 No.3125092

    They'r mice, lol. And the Skaven race is based upon independent clan-lairs in an underground system. Not little settlements in the woods.
    >> ­­Warwolt !!UR49ib8Dk/r 12/06/08(Sat)19:00 No.3125211
    We don't seem to be able to buy this? Its not released on indie revolution yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/06/08(Sat)19:07 No.3125263
    How the fuck does combat work?

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