>>3071146

...Okay, what is it?

Two zombies with afros, a guy in a vest and some half-dressed chick with a gun?

You fucks! It's the Warriors!

>>3071155
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6MqHccBSI
get some culture

Basically, crappy themed gangs punch each other in the late 70s.

The PCs would be high ranking members in an unimportant gang trying to become more important.

I think it's a screenshot from The Warriors...

>>3071172
Thank you, jesus christ I was beginning to get worried.

Anyway, here's the basic melee combat system I'd use. All characters (PCs and NPCs) have a number between one and seven that determines their skill in a particular kind of fighting. Let's say Ajax (Punching skill: 6) is fighting Steve (Punching skill: 4). Ajax moves next to Steve, rolls a random number between +4 and -4*, and adds it to his Punching stat. Steve rolls his random number and adds it to his punching stat. Whoever gets the higher score punches the other one and does their standard amount of punching damage. If they tie, nobody successfully does anything. If the winner wins by more than one point, he does bonus damage equal to the number of points beyond the first that he won by.

A lot of things give buffs/debuffs to the numbers, but that's basically it. One dice roll per turn assuming no weird shit.

Most other checks are handled the same way, only with different skills/attributes. For example, a character trying to scam a second character would roll Scam Artistry, and the target character would resist with Intelligence.

With a decent story this could be the greatest thing.

*it uses 3d6 and is a bell curve.

Ok I'm going to run an example fight in this, RIGHT HERE, because I'm bored.

I need some names for gang member NPC classes. They should follow the (type) (noun-verber) format (Kobold Vermin-hoarder, Astronaut Ray-Gunner, etc).

Doin stats now, I just need some names for shit. Man you are going to like some of these abilities let me tell you.

You (or according to the map, U) are Ajax*. You are pretty big and you like hitting people. This has caused you to rise to a position of moderate importance in the Warriors.

You are in an alley with your good friend Warrior Windowsmasher** (W). You are talking about all the ladies you have had sex with. He has relatively little to contribute to this conversation, but you don't care because that makes you seem more awesome.

You look out onto the street to see if there are any ladies you might bone, but it is three in the damn morning and the answer is no. But there are three Jones Street Boy Headkickers (J)! They are on your turf openly! This is unacceptable.

To your right is a waist high fence, the sidewalk, a car, and the street, in that order. Up the sidewalk there are three JSBs, a pay phone, and another parking meter.

The Jones Street Boys have not seen you yet, but they are walking towards your alley. Still, you do have many options.

WHAT IS YOUR COURSE OF ACTION

*Ajax:
STR (ability to lift/move stuff, melee damage increaser): 6
BIG (size, resistance to getting thrown/knocked around/poisoned): 5
INT (all mental abilities): 3
SP (hexes moved per turn): 4

Punchan: 6
Grapplan: 5
Intimidatan: 5
Sneakan: 4
Acrobatican: 3

**Warrior Windowsmasher
STR: 4
BIG: 4
INT: 3
SP: 5

Vandalizan: 5
Small Clubban: 4
Big Clubban: 4

>>3071181

That movie looks like it sucks.

>>3071479
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkLxfAOTo8&feature=related

I guess the trailer gives that impression, but it's basically the first five minutes of Clockwork Orange for an hour and a half. That's not really a bad thing.

>>3071479
underage b&

>>3071466
>You are Ajax
>You are talking about all the ladies you have had sex with
>You look out onto the street to see if there are any ladies you might bone

Fuck yes Ajax you are the best PC evah!
I would totally play this game/system.

>>3071507
You have the opportunity to RIGHT THIS SECOND

WHAT IS YOUR COURSE OF ACTION AJAX

>>3071517
I approach the gentleman, greet them in a friendly manner, and ask if there is anything I can help them find on Warriors turf.

well, normally i'd think about gaining the high ground and throwing shit at the JSB donkey kong style to reduce their health/numbers, but there is a severe lack of trash cans. I guess, seeing as I'm weaponless (aside from my ever present mitts) I'll send Windowsmasher to hide behind the car, he must have more sneakan than Ajax, and I'll step out to confront/rush the JSBs. While they engage with me, WS can sneak around the car and attack them from behind, hopefully gaining a tasty bonus from the suprise attack. if all else fails, I'm sure Ajax can handle the JSBs...maybe...probably.
Fucking wimps.

>>3071530
In the Warriors vidya gaem, acceptable ranged implements are bottles and/or bricks. In fact, artillery is just a dude with a pile of infinite bottles/bricks next to him.

>>3071520
You approach the gentleman, greet them in a friendly manner, and ask if there is anything you can help them find on Warriors turf.

"Yes actually we were looking for someone who isn't one of us and also isn't a total faggot"
"HA HA HA HA HA"
"We can't find one"
"HA HA HA HA HA"

(W) is hiding in the alley Vandalizan the fence and attempting to convert it into a weapon of some kind. He is failing.

>>3071530
too late lol

also your skills are listed, you can do things that aren't listed as your skills but you might suck

>>3071540
I apologize for not meeting their standards. I remind them that I am happy to, in true Warriors spirit, assist them while they are guests on Warriors turf in any way that they might need. I bid them farewell and leave.

>>3071543
ok run the game with the guy that uses Ajax to negotiate, ffs. You know he'd just rush in there and punch on.
He can do little else.
He is Ajax.

>>3071554
You prefer railroadan gaems.

>>3071552
You get about two steps and they jump you.

They charge you a little bit too fast, misjudge the timing, and just stumble into you without really hurting you at all.

The third JSB jumps up and down on the car and yells insults about your masculinity.

(W) continues hiding, but this time he successfully Vandalizans the fence into Wire Flail, a large club that sucks.

>>3071554
dude i know but i just take the first response, you need to type faster

>>3071576
I respond indignantly and then attack the nearest dood with my punchan while informing my associate that he should alert the nearest constable of these ruffians' behavior.

wut is fudge

>>3071592
...

>>3071600
I dont know this FUDGE stuff. I only play Warhammer.

>>3071590
You manage a "what the FU" and then sort of trail off as you punchan the nearest dood in the face. KaPOW! It appears to injure him enough that he is less eager to fight you and he is unable to hit you back.

The other dood catches you completely by surprise with his fist. It kind of hurts.

(W) runs away down the alley, muttering something and shaking his head. The JSB on the car follows him.


>>3071592
http://www.google.com/search?q=FUDGE+RPG

>>3071631
edit: lol pic

>>3071633
I full attack the dude again while attempting to inform them I was only trying to help.

>>3071648
You punch the wounded JSB again. He falls over.

The remaining JSB Headkicker says "Wait... are you... are you serious?" He looks uncomfortable, as if he is dealing with a seriously delusional person.

Then he tries to kick your head. He's only flexible enough to kick your leg, which is ripped as hell and doesn't get hurt. FUCK YEAH AJAX

(pic doesn't change lol)

I grab one of the JSBs, T style, and throw his punk ass into the other one. Then kindly inform then to stay the hell out of Warriors turf.

>>3071662
Yes, I was waiting. This thread required more throwing of dudes.

COME OUT TO PLAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY

>>3071654
I respond with, "Yes! Faggot!"

And then I full attack the dude.

>>3071662
(turn 1)
The JSB attempts to punch you. You grab the JSB.

(turn 2)
You pick up the JSB over your head. He says "Um, you know that stuff about helping us find something? I was looking for, um, the border of your territory so I could leave it without any tr"

(turn 3)
You throw the JSB. He lands on his face. You tell him to stay out, but he probably doesn't hear you, on account of just being thrown face first at his friend's unconscious body.

Eventually, Warrior Windowsmasher comes back, with a couple of your thugs. He says that the constabulary arrested the JSB that chased him. Also, the constable told him to tell you to go home. The thugs look at the wrecked JSBs and seem somewhat confused.

THE END

(wow the dice really liked it when you behave like ajax, sorry fake ajax, no diplomatic end for you)

CAAAAAAAN YOUUUUUU DIG IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Francis, Louis, Bill, Zoey

>>3071691
In a street brawl, throwin' dudes is always the answer.

I'mma have to find me a copy of this and watch it, now.

>>3071709
I kind of fucked up by failing to encourage ridiculous shit. The entire fight should have been nothing but dude throwing with occasional "shove someone's face through a window" or "jump off of a car and land on three dudes at once knocking them all over" maneuvers.

Though I guess that's more encouraged with larger groups of PCs ("I trip him!" "I elbow drop the guy you tripped!" etc).

Fuck, now I want to play this. Original gangs could be substituted with homemade ones, right? I think it would be interesting to have players or the GM create a few with different uniforms, approaches, specialties etc.

>>3071738
now /tg/ suggest some themed gangs...gogogo!

>>3071738
>Original ____ could be substituted with homemade ____, right?
no if you change something Ajax will come to your house and punch you in the dick

That was my general plan really, I didn't even want to set it in the Warriors universe, just the generic Themed Gangs of the Past setting.

Basically once I make a map, figure out the various gangs and their resources/personalities, I'd just say "you are in charge of gang x, go" to the PCs and do my best to let them do what they felt like doing.

>>3071755
you are kind of required to have some clowns

>>3071762
There's already a group of mimes, I remember from the video game. The Hi-Hats, led by a fat fucking psycho called Chatterbox.

>>3071772
Oh I thought we were doing a total from scratch thing.

>>3071755
ethnic minorities ahooooooooooyyyyyyy!

Although most of the gangs in warriors were rather ethnically diverse (affirmative action, fuck year!)

*Gotta have a chick gang like the lizzies/escher
*A rich kids gang who have the best gear and throw money at their problems,
*something like the orphans, lots of numbers but relatively weak and crap
*a militant/military themed gang that calls their leader general and the men troops/soldiers (although most gangs call them soldiers anyways in the movie)
*I want a fuckawesome gang based on the Village People
*a skinhead/reacist gang
*a religious/cult like gang or a satanist/occult gang...or both
*a gang that cares more about style and fashion and cars and pussy more than getting up and getting turf.
* a masked gang/always have their identity hidden
*a redneck gang

some of these ideas bleed into each other.

OP will there be rules for getting turf, maintaining it, recruiting, tagging, bribing cops, raiding other gang's cribs, running protection rackets etc.?

The 10th Street (or whatever) Grimlocks.

Their gimmick is to wear full helmets designed to look like Grimlock's head. Any Grimlock. Especially if Transformers doesn't exist in the campaign setting.

The gang leader has a monocle and tophat on his helm, and speaks and acts in a rather dapper manner, even when smashing heads. Standard Grimlocks gangers are daft as your average Ork.

Favored weapon is a flaming bat.

>>3071791
take out the lame and just have a bunch of dinner suit wearing, ultra dapper brawlers who wish you a good day in perfect clipped English while the tread on your sack and bust your face open with brass knuckles...all while in immaculate dress.

>>3071790
I like the masked one and the religous vs occult concept. Maybe even expanding the spiritual gang wars to an Abrahamic faith-based group of zealots, anarchic, punk/cock-of-the-walk cultists who are desperate to curry favour with ANY evil deity, and a third faction of pragmatic druid-like warriors that are fiercely territorial.

>>3071806
I... don't follow.

>>3071790
I approve of pretty much all of this.

All I have done is squad based combat that the PCs are in, and small scale negotiations/social stuff (scaring/negotiating with/scamming individuals).

I do want it to stay relatively small scale though. The smallest gangs would probably only have 10-15 people. Still, you're right, I do need to come up with large scale mechanics for territory/income stuff.

I want the most important resource to be reputation though, naturally.

Boppers is the only Warriors gang allowed in the new setting. Stylishly dressed dudes.

>>3071827
well if you are serious about this lets keep the ball rolling, this could be fun. I won't invoke the dreaded we get shit done gaffe, but it wouldn't take much to flesh this out further, seems mostly narrative anyhow.
Seems liek with territory, income and reputation (as well as your standing with the law) I'me getting a post game sequence somewhat like necromunda, but with more talkan and less rollan.
also, how do you recruit? based on reputation, the bigger you ar ethe more people want to join you? i like that idea better than the hired hel of necromunda.
if you suck at leading your gang will the start to go elsewhere?
is there a loyalty stat to show how quickly someone in your gang turns on you? Swan would have died before he took off his vest, but i wouldn't trust Ajax if there was some strange wool around.
pic related, its my gang, the South End Honchos (south end has more innuendo than southstreet)

also to capture the feel of the warriors, most of the gang members should be relatively young, no 40 drug lords, most of these guys are highschool drop outs

>>3071893
Yes agreed obviously. Also no guns or shit.

It might get interesting if getting powerful enough made the mafia notice you, or something.

>>3071880
ahahahahaha

Yeah, rep = number and quality of dudes, and it makes lesser gangs just try their best to avoid you (and more powerful ones be more likely to cause you problems).

I guess you could spend money on mercs too.

I'm thinking that dishonorable behaviors (especially stuff like disguising yourself as a civilian or another gang member) would carry a MASSIVE penalty to rep, and rep isn't really your ability to recruit dudes, it's your ability to keep and hold dudes. So, for example, having 10 rep means you have 20 mediocre dudes available to you, even if they aren't always the same dudes from week to week (and losing that means you go back to being crappy).

Oh damn I just had the best idea, what if the territory holding system was basically Risk?

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>>3071896
>what if the territory holding system was basically Risk?
not familiar with it, was never big in my country. How's it work?

>>3071896
>>I guess you could spend money on mercs too

bringing in outside help might be one of the things that makes your rep take a hit..
"Wassamatta? Cain't do the job yo'seff? You ain't a bopper."

>>3071906
There's a map with different territories on it. You get soldiers, who are interchangeable. You place a number of them each turn based on how many/what territories you control. After you do that, you attack with three soldiers at a time and roll d6s to decide whether the attacker or the defender loses soldiers, and how many.

Actually, doing it this way would take the focus away from individual feats of badassery. I don't think my idea was that great now.

are stats point buy or dice rollan?
I think rolled stats makes for delicious randomness and more fun games.

>>3071919
Yeah, that's a good point.

>>3071922
>>Actually, doing it this way would take the focus away from individual feats of badassery. I don't think my idea was that great now.

at least you can admit it and stay focused on what's important...boppin'.

Territory could be more like Civilization 3 (?), the more rep you have the wider your are of influence is. Eventually you will swallow up other territories with your awesome, and the shopkeepers/citizens will default to you as the boss. Of course if the original gang takes issue with this you will have to bop right through them.

>>3071924
FUDGE has mechanics for both.

http://www.fudgerpg.com/files/pdf/fudge_1995.pdf

I prefer point buy, really. The attributes don't make THAT much difference in this game, it's mostly about skills/gifts.

>>3071941
What skills and gifts have you devised for this game? Is 'nailing down strange wool?' one of them?

>>3071934
Yeah, I want to focus on boppin'. And possibly marching right through some fucks. I like the idea of large scale strategy but I'm pretty sure it's not as fun as throwing people off roofs and stuff. Now I'm conflicted.

I have to go to bed. If this thread doesn't die I'll post more I guess.

>>3071985
If the thread is gone, start a new one, I like this idea and I'd like to see where it goes.

Oh god stop saying bop

>>3071972
quick partial list of skills I can remember
Negotiate
Scam
Indimidate
Sneak
Unarmed Hitting
Unarmed Grappling
Knifing
Bludgeoning - small
Bludgeoning - large
Vandalism (extra damage to inanimate objects, chance to get a weapon out of it)
Acrobatics

I'm not going to list gifts because I kind of expect players to make them up as to what is appropriate (and then I decide the numbers and mechanics) but they would all be either something like Good Eyesight where you get bonuses to a variety of rolls, or they would take away the penalties you would normally take while doing a ridiculous move like throwing a dude at another dude or jumping off of something onto three dudes.

Bed for real this time I'm not even going to look to see if there are more responses


>>3071992
edit since /tg/ eats posts: bop bop bop

>>3071992
ONCE YOU BOP YOU CAN'T STOP

need a trait for 'getting up' essentially, old school tagging, leaving your gang's mark. also distinguish between leaving a quick, rough tag (as in the warriors movie) or an artistic, colorful tag. Quick tags are used for maximising your gangs exposure, but the larger, more skilled ones are used to 'boast' about your importance and presence. If you had time to tag up such a large piece, you must own the place or be so in control even the cops won't touch you.