With that out of the way, here is the basic premise:

In the wake of a limited nuclear war triggered by an accident involving NATO expansion in Eastern Europe (an "oops" scenario where the state of high alert between NATO and the Russian Federation led to caution not prevailing when a detection error was made by one of the involved commands and subsequently China becoming involved defensively and possible opportunistic/reactionary exchanges such as North Korea targeting Japan, Iran and Israel targeting each other, and India and Pakistan having a similar exchange) the United States government has become split and is now in a state of civil war.

Shit sounds cash, do carry on.

The Military Government of the United States (The New Pentagon)
In the continental United States two Unified Combat Commands remained operational despite being struck with strategic weapons - the alternate USSTRATCOM command center at the NORAD base in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado, and the alternate Pentagon site and home to Northern Command at the Raven Rock Underground Pentagon in Pennsylvania. These commands quickly reestablished communications following the attack, sorted out their chain of command, and called upon all of the few military bases left to mobilize regular military and reserve units. Using this smattering of surviving units they have established control areas in some parts of some states, and can also be assumed to control the regions of Colorado and Pennsylvania surrounding their main command centers. If any nuclear missile bases are still operational, they control them, but it can be assumed for now that they would not use nuclear weapons on US soil. In those areas under military control there may be a military governor over the central community in the area of control, the military presence may be the guests of a functional civilian government of some kind, or they may be maintaining a military base independently with some local support and supply lines with other military controlled areas. The New Pentagon government has different recruitment policies in different areas: some controlled communities may have a draft, others may be accepting volunteers, and still others may be authorizing the creation of local militia (that aren't to be transfered elsewhere) under the New Pentagon aegis.

The Civilian Government of the United States (Pegasus)
With D.C. and Camp David wiped off the map and Congress either dead or unaccounted for, the shadow government of the National Program Office quickly took effect. A new president was sworn in, Attorney General John Aberdine, according to the line of succession and a massive federal camp was opened in Virginia. This was all according to the contingency plans laid by the cabal of the Pegasus Committee consisting of the Attorney General, key Cabinet members, the heads of the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and retired three-star Army general Bertram Wayne to name a few. Before the President's legitimacy was challenged by the military, he used his executive privilege to call upon National Guard units from all across the United States and reassigned them to regional projects, in effect allowing the last vestiges of those state governments that survived having their capitals destroyed to fall apart. In addition the Pegasus government has a good chance of controlling any surviving and operational federal outpost belonging to the FBI or under the broad aegis of Homeland Security (which controls Immigration and FEMA for starters); and, more disturbingly, Project: Pegasus involved the cooperation of certain lead captains of industry and private paramilitary facilities manned by contracted personnel, mainly former military men and civilian specialists, scattered all across the nation; all of which are now active. Their stronghold is the state of Virginia, where they control the undamaged Mount Pony facility (and thus the Federal Reserves and Treasury stockpiles for the entire nation East of the Mississippi), the FEMA bunker on Mount Weather, and use the few Congressmen that made their way to the secret alternate Congress site of the Greenbrier Hotel in nearby West Virginia (and were then extracted and brought back to Mount Pony) as propaganda tools to show that President Aberdine is not a dictator.

The civil war began officially 18 months after the nuclear exchange and as of now, three years after the exchange, their war is still primarily a cold one as they each try to reestablish control over areas in order to reform interstate supply lines and commerce. It should also be noted that in most cases both sides use the American flag and federal uniforms, so telling the difference between forces of the two on sight may be difficult. Both sides would be quick to try to order or recruit any loose military or National Guard units they encounter and to turn elements of State Defense Forces (which can't be controlled on the federal level legally and thus wouldn't of been called out by one of the two governments initially) in areas they are attempting to spread into to their side. In many cases what few military bases and National Guard headquarters' were left standing have been occupied since the departure of those units by State Defense Force units, local militias, or independent fighting forces such as marauders and petty warlords.


Inspirations-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_2000 (For inspiration on how to note your local area three years into the apocalypse, check out the rapidshares for the supplement "Allegheny Uprising" which provides an example using their setting's take on the condition of Western Pennsylvania)

Sounds cool. Hopefully someone will get this started off. I'm slightly stymied myself. I would like to know what the civil war is about and who is fighting whom. Is it a compass-points North vs. South or East vs. West situation, or more mixed up?

>>2742786
NVM, didn't know there was more coming.

I need sleep but I approve OP.

>>2742786

I'm leaving it fairly vague so people can use New Pentagon or Pegasus presence in their areas or at least in the background of their state's as a whole as foils, looming threats, and so on.

The only definite things that would influence area descriptions is that Pegasus is centered in Virginia and has it bolstered quite to a degree, while the areas around Cheyenne Mountain Colorado and Raven Rock Pennsylvania have probably been secured by New Pentagon (though they may not have a chokehold on the states of Colorado and Pennsylvania as a whole).

I'm from North Carolina, but from the Piedmonte. However I'm tempted to do the Inner Banks (coastal counties along the Albemarle Sound)) and Outer Banks instead, as I like the idea of Carolinian pirates raiding up and down the Intracoastal Passage (which goes from Maine all the way down to Miami Florida)

I'd like to see Europe and Asia's place in this; specifically the Middle East.

>>2742869

Like I said, if you live somewhere that's not in the US, feel free to describe not only the condition of your local region three years in, but some background on the national condition.

One can assume with the semi-accidental origin but subsequent free for all that most anywhere got hit. And countries that didn't are probably such that conditions are just as bad without trade and support from the world's larger and wealthier nations.

I mean if you live on the exotic island of nowhereistan and think it wouldn't be hit, feel free to describe it as an isolated paradise, but in general I think one can find plenty of reason for this situation to have affected their homeland.

>>semi-realistic post-apocalyptic

You die from disease. Game over.

>>2742883
Ok, cool.

I'd like to see most of the rest of the world fairly untouched apart from the quite obliterated central cities. So London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo etc. gone, while the rest of the population goes on with various degrees of headlessness.

Anyways, there's no rush, I'll get this up on a 1d4chan page or something and people can contribute directly to the wiki and we occassionally start threads, though not with the frequency to burn out quickly and be pests.

London would probably be the first city to go, in my opinion.

It's a symbol of Western power and the capitol of one of the U.S.A.'s greatest allies - with almost no means to protect itself from nuclear attack or to retaliate to nuclear attack. Central London would become uninhabitable. The government would become useless. While there would be anarchy, there would be some attempts to train and maintain order. For example, Crystal Palace has a radio tower. It's the second tallest building in London and it's atop the highest point in London. If you can see it, you know you're in South East London or within ten miles of it. I could see that location becoming a gathering point for refugees from that area of London - if it would still stand.

In my opinion, everyone would immediately crowd around famous landmarks, no matter where they are. It just seems like the most likely area where you would go during a crisis where there is no long distance communication. Well, at least that's where the people who care for other human life would go.

Cool.

I would say the first thing, for us eurofags, is: there's still an EU? I would say yes, and probably way more "super-state" than now. The EU was born in fear of a ww3, in a way, so it's only natural that if shit happens we assume a team mentality.
If not... well... Feudalesim will not be just a word.
Fallout probably fucks us more than USA, anyway, because of higher concentrations of people: single cities are usually smaller, but if Koln if fucked the rain in all the towns of the Ruhr is gonna be nasty.

For Asia, mmmmh... Maybe the first thing to know is how bad China is. I dunno how it's centralized, but I have a feeling that a situation like this could go for a divided China.
How's India, too?

Seems like the next "sane" superpower could be Brazil.

Anyway, magnitude of the megaton exchange? Did we have a Threads-like scenario? I'm already thinking of the nuclear winter and how it will affect less the coastal areas.
I would not expect the world megalopolis to be totally obliterated, anyway. The vast -VAST- majority of nuclear warhead aren't so big that they could wipe out -say- New York, more probably Queens. Not that Bronx or the like would not be affected, but this is what I got from /k/.

>>2742911
All I can say about this project is FUCKYES. I'm going to do Northeast Mexico.

Back in the old days the Soviets had the 3 biggest Mexican cities (Mexico City, northern Monterrey and western Guadalajara) as nuclear targets in case the US Gov't faced a wasteland scenario in their homeland and decided to relocate most of their fighting forces as well as strategic commanders.

In a scenario such as this, it stands to reason that at least two of them would face nuclear strikes.

Imagine Mexico City's whooping 22 million people facing one nuclear strike. The CHAOS... :)

Futhermore, since our Armed Forces haven't seriously participated in a single Int'l war (WW2 Escuadron 201 notwhistanding) since the French Intervention of 1880's they don't have real military capabilities but have become quite the Int'ly recognized experts in disaster rescue missions (hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.) and internal repression of the populace.

You rock, OP.

>>2743304
Moar

Also OP 1d4chan link please

>>2743416
Well...

For food, people would probably raid garden centres left right and centre in order to gain as many seeds as possible then everyone would have back-garden plots.
Pets would be bred for food from that point on, except for the smaller ones. They would all be roasted and eaten there and then. Not much point in breeding hamsters for food when you can basically swallow them in one bite.

In England, anyone with a gun would immediately become a figure of authority, because everyone else would only really be armed with knives, unless people maintain the knowledge and resources of how to make firearms.

>>2743403
>/k/

Stopped reading there OH WAIT

Ooh ooh

I'd like to see what happened to the internet on this occasion.

I would do the South Western states, such as Nevada... though Las Vegas(My current home) would probably be uninhabitable rubble due to it's proximity to Nellis AFB. A Major military facility.

>>2743508
Might as well expand on it. It would probably be difficult to inhabit simply due to it being a desert anyway. Without a societal infrastructure, one would probably be better off anbandoing the place and heading for somewhere with plant life etc. Such as Lake Tahoe, or making a trek to say... California or the Mississippi river. Any Major military bases, such as Nellis AFB or Edwards AFB would be targets and likely them and their surroundings Radioactive rubble(Bye Bye Vegas.)

However, if say, Las Vegas, escaped unscathed, people with guns would likely be Authority figures(and most people here have them legally or otherwise.) Casinos would very likely become fortified congregations for any remaining authority figures. Though with traditional forms of wealth and currency rendered useless, You'd have to wonder what would be it's replacement.

In the likely scenario of nuclear annihilation, Lake Mead would be rendered useless from the fallout of any weapons used on Nellis.

Not too knowledgeable on the subject, but that's what I got so far.

>>2743556
Looked into it more... Nellis would DEFINITELY be a priority target.

"on the ground intel" for me would be. "Everybody's Dead, Dave."

Its safe to say that in the UK at least, pretty much the main people with access to firearms, and especially ones with easily available ammunition in the form of lead balls, are all the re-enactment groups.

And trust me, A lot of these people are the kind that have a contingency plan for things like when the zombies come, so I wouldn't put it past them to be one of the most influential and important groups of survivors (read: armed, armoured and usually with a good deal of useful knowledge, from making ones own clothes to gunning people down with volley fire).

Shit could be very surreal, But I honestly would not be surprised to see historical anachronisms in the form of modern people wearing plate or chain armour running around, fighting and looting.

Pretty likely to happen with all the re-enactment and SCA groups in in the U.S. too, but with less impact due to the far far greater amount of people who own firearms.

>>2743780
There are 300million + firearms in the U.S. with ammunition factories distributed across the nation.

I could do Colorado easily: The new capital of the United States with a quality of life unmatched anywhere else due to the proximity of a great deal of natural resources (oil, gas, minerals) and the current state of the infrastructure being capable of supporting a population much larger than it has now. Southern Colorado would become a radioactive hazard (as would the Western Slope of the Rocky Mountains due to fallout) and despite NORAD's continued existence, travel into and out of the area is extremely hazardous due to radiation.

>>2743789
Exactly. The only thing the re-enactors there would have going for them is organized groups with a ready command structure, plus the same sort of useful survival knowledge.

In the gun-lacking shithole of the UK, there are masses of re-enactors with everything from longbows to muskets and cannon, making up the majority of the armed civilians in the nation.

>>2743827
Somehow I think whatever remnants of the police and SWAT teams as well as military reservists, (the National Guard in America and whatever the equivalent is in England) are going to be a lot more dominant than reenactors.

what areas of the world are actually going to go largely un-nuked in this scenario? Are we going for targeting the primary NATO and other large nations and leaving out the small/usually irrelevant countries?
Or is this a case of "Fuck the world, every capital city on the planet at least is going down!" ?

>>2743933
Quite probable, but remember that even the regular cops are unarmed in the UK, and the Territorial Army (the equivalent of the national guard) isn't really much of a force, unlike several states in the US having a national guard with comparable manpower to most European militarys combined, its mostly just one of the main armed groups thats going to be capable of doing something to survive, unlike the majority of the population who for the most part don't even know how to start fire without a cooker or a lighter.

Don't forget your fallout. And cannibalism, lots of cannibalism.
And prepare to welcome your Australia/New Zealand overlords who hold the monopoly on uncontaminated land and water.

>>2743995
Yes, but it's a LOT easier to operate a disciplined force that needs to aquire weapons, then getting a group with weapons to behave in a disciplined manner.

I think you are underestimating the effect of nuclear weapons. Modern bombs are far more powerful then the Hiroshima one. Once the missles start flying it's over. The fallout will be carried by the jetstream and contaminate the rest of the planet. The dust kicked up by all the explosions would trigger nuclear winter for years or possibly a new ice age.

>>2744003

WHY should Australia get not nuked? I know it's a classic, but why?

>>2744075
Not to mention what wiping out the majority of the world's ecology would do to the remainder. It's pretty much the "rocks fall, everyone dies" of the modern world.

>>2744092

because animals in Australia are so deadly the last thing anyone wants is to give them radioactive super powers

>>2744075
Nuclear winter is a myth. Volcanic eruptions put FAR MORE material into the atmosphere with the only effect being a shorter summer.

>>2744112

Ocean life would be pretty safe, though. Some years of no more fishing and the seas would be better than now.

>>2744121

Well, apart from the kangaroos of Tank Girl, that were awesome

>>2744075
Depends on the degree of nuclear exchange, as the multi-megaton ones may not be employed on a widespread scale in a limited war rather than full on MAD.

The scenario here seems to be pretty much that, otherwise there wouldn't really be anything to say than 'nearly everyone died, then more people died, and then humanity wasn't really worth noting any more outside of some very isolated groups in the middle of no-where, like central Africa'. That'd be a bit dull really.

>>2744125
Volcanic eruptions put more material into the atmosphere than ONE nuke, sure. Nuclear Winter scenarios are all based on many hundreds/thousands of nukes going off, as would be the case if nuclear war ever broke out.

>>2744092
In the cold war scenario it would get nuked for being allied with NATO.

I think the assumption comes from Australia not being near anything else. Also, in the Mad Max movies, where people appear to have survived, but that's forgetting the third movie (and it's the crappiest one, so who wouldn't want to) where the children were put on a plane out of Sydney to escape the coming strike, and at the end you see the city again and it's been largely destroyed.

Anyway Australia is already fucked up, ecologically speaking, so...

Free Republic of Los Angeles
Holy Free Republic of Los Angeles has been cleansed of all opposition to glory of Holy Great Church of Christ Vengeant-- and definite articles. Great fightan monks of Holy Wood Sanctuary maintain borders. Work is not hard as city is surrounded by desert. Remaining gas reserves very very carefully rationed, small amounts of light aviation available. Great towers in Downtown, Holy Docks of Saint Peter, also beaches are sole remaining centers of population, aside from hermits in Beverly Hills.

Great Pope of Christ Vengeant Lashonte I maintains iron grip over areas mentioned.

I'm from New York City, so I dont have anything to contribute to this thread besides saying that the New York City area, including most of Central-Eastern New Jersey, Long Island, and Westchester and maybe points north (especially if Indian Point melts down) would be entirely fucked. Doubly so if they send another nuke to take out West Point a little further up the Hudson.

A nuke would probably not take out all of Long Island, but the easiest way out of the non devastated areas of Long Island is though the nuclear remains of the city. North Jersey is close enough to get quite a bit of fallout, South Jersey would be fucked after they hit Philadelphia.

>>2744092

It's not that Australia wouldn't get nuked. It's that with 6 nukes, you could wipe out 95% of our population and leave most of the country untouched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

A couple of volcanoes can cause "crops fail, everybody dies", more or less.

Allegedly (according to Paul Erlich, from some speech or other), you only need about 12 nukes to take out the continental US. You hit some major cities, fuck up the food distribution, and most everybody starves to death.

So, you might not actually get enough nuke strikes to cause a deep freeze, but probably enough to cause serious problems.

>>2744159
Australia's not in NATO, its in ANZUS which won't last much longer in the wake of the Iraq business. ANZUS does not stipulate any obligation to join in the cold war scenario and Australia lacks a nuclear arsenal or strategic missiles with which to threaten Russia. That being said, having a nuclear arsenal does not make one an automatic target like Israel but their fucked now and they will be fucked then.

>>2744295
Those eruptions put out a much larger amount of dust etc into the atmosphere then a nuclear war could. I agree with the anons who say that nuclear winter is bullshit.

How about a huge cobalt salted nukes being detonated in Russia which blankets most of the Northern Hemisphere in deadly cobalt-60. The cities are intact but soon to be inhabitable and the lands of Africa and South America begin to look quite tempting.

Great enthusiasm and discussion.

Some points: think your local level not a region of states. Just define anywhere from your town and it's problems to the various things going around to the county to the various forces in a whole region of counties (like say Eastern Washington or the North Carolina Piedmonte, etc.). That sort of scale. Should be easier and less wide-sweeping and stereotypical. Anyone could look up about a region of the US, but it takes a local or a very thorough researcher to craft something like the situation with the Western Pennsyvania situation in Allegheny Uprising, with the warlords of the starving refugees in the Allegheny riverside counties and the anti-refugee militias up in the Allegheny mountains.

And to give a since of proportion in the nuclear damage...take my state, NC. I'd say that Fort Bragg, the Camp Lejeune Complex, the Seymour Johnson Air Base, and the capital of Raleigh would be toast. That leaves some surviving national guard unit headquarters' distributed throughout and the fortuitous survival of the Coast Guard center in Elizabeth City, whose air to sea rescue capacities capable of reaching the Caribbean or Greenland would probably have them all shipped out as soon as they got word over the radio from say the Northern Command at Raven Rock.

And yeah, even if a city isn't completely obliterated...that's a waste area. And I'd imagine the whole county of a nuked area is not a pleasant place to be.
Non-Americans feel free to give national background info in their local desc, so we get some sort of feel of what the larger picture in some other countries is.

>>2744295

This is more of a harsh breakdown ala Twilight 2000, which was a deliberate but limited nuclear war. There's reason enough for some inconsistency in strikes but in general I'd assume major military bases and state capitals or the major metro if that's larger in some cases would get hit (raliegh is probably more valuable than larger charlotte, but NYC is more important than albany or whatever the capital of that state is, etc.) Some states would get more than their share, some less. As you describe your local region you get to decide to a large decree this sort of thing, so just keep this sort of stuff in mind.

And as for nuclear winter, going by Nuclear War Survival skills and the "gritty but cinematic nuclear pocalypse setup" ala Twilight 2000 just assume the winters are harder, but not some sort of mega-extinction lifeblotting cloud, even if that really is realistic, which is a discussion for somewhere else.

>>2744190

Do you know anything about upstate New York or New Jersey? And if not, well feel free to contribute about the few people still grubbing mud in the irradiated area surrounding manhattan island or something.

And whoever rights about say Vermont or such places might want to include a bunch of refugees from New York city/state who choked the highways to get away when everything was going and kept going after NYC got hit.

That's the situation in Allegheny Uprising- Eastern Penn has so many problems with New York refugees that Western Penn and it's Ohio refugee problem is left to fend for itself, and thus a bunch of reactionary militias form to fight the refugee warlords.

>> And yeah, even if a city isn't completely obliterated...that's a waste area. And I'd imagine the whole county of a nuked area is not a pleasant place to be.

True, but I can see some life in the megalopolis. Someone says the best way to fight fallout, if you can't have a pre-made refuge, is to settle in highrise buildings: away from the dusted ground (not in the last floor, for the same reason).
I would suppose that in 10+ million cities an half of the ground would reastically be "habitable" (statistically speaking), even if not the "first choice".
Sure, you could try to grow crops in the country, with fallouts not stopped by anything, severe winters, a helluva UVA ratio... but it's important to salvage cities too. And maybe not always the most dangerous place to stay, after some times at least.
Maybe older people would go into the cities to do salvage operations (the ones that are no more the priority for rebuilding population).
After this, cities could be important for defense purposes, especially in absence of a "normal" military/authority.
(in all this, I'm assuming a scenario better than, say, Threads, where the UK population dropped to 2-3 million people)

Non-USAfag here.
My country. Italy. Lemme see.
Shitty military... but mostly, shittest leadership in Europe. In a doomsday event, we would vanish as a country, politically speaking, with no inputs from Europe (or the like). So you could assume that we'd go for a great emphasis on renaissance faires, so to speak, if isolated. Maybe with 1800-like factories, but you get the idea. The not greatly-developed post-apocaliptic fictions/rpg here go for an important role for the church, and, as much as I despise Ratzinger, it's very plausibile.
In the event of Europe, well, it depends on Euope. Or maybe on Egypt, for example, if it's not bombed.
Good news could be that our shitty leadership/perceived military powerlessness (probably not inaccurate, but that's another story) could mean we're not on the "first line" as seen by the enemy, but in your scenario seems like it's: BOMB NATO, so...

>>2745035
cont.
On the more "materialistic" side.
We have no natural resources to speak of. Even our agriculture is severly diminuishing (a mad and criminal love for concrete).
On a flip side, we have much coastline (important in the case of colder winters), mountains not much populated and that stop winds (and fallouts). Alps would probably save us against france-germany fallouts.

First things destroyed would of course be USA bases. The most important ones are located in NE Italy and the naval ones in Sicily, Naples and Sardinia. And the munition depot in Tuscany, maybe.
So: of the industrial core of Italy, the Pianura Padana (Plain of the Po), the eastern half is mostly fucked. MAYBE the western part, and Emilia even, is safe. It's the most ancient industrialized part, wich helps with less urban sprawl (not so good, but oh well, theres' always Switzerland to invade). Winds carry fallout from east, anyway, and winter is severe.
Central Italy: well, oddly enough, it seems it could save itself, also because of the smaller cities (even if they decide to nuke Florence or la Spezia for the naval base, there's no need for a massive strike, so the country could be not totally fucked up)
Execp for Rome, of course, that's huge. At least it's relatively isolated.
Southern Italy: There are great nuclear strikes that wipe out Naples. For the rest, it has some advantages: hotter climate and isolated valleys. Disvantages: even shittier infrastructures/factories, ecology going already for desertification.
I would suggest possibility for neighboring countries invading by the sea there.

I can honestly say that I don't think we'd be too bad off.

Minneapolis isn't that big of a city- only 300,000 people (500,000 if you count St. Paul). So it's not exactly a puny town, yeah, but for it's sort of out of the way (albeit a major rail hub), and it's in the middle of a bunch of farmland communities that could help supply the city with food. Combine that with Wisconsin, the Kingdom of Dairy, being right next door, and we'd be pretty well-off.

Chicago would be toast, though, methinks.

>>2745068

The Twin Cities as the capital of the surrounding agricultural counties? Sounds interesting.

>>2745113

The Midwest Co-op Collective.

The western Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa, working together to ensure mutual defense and survival. The Twin Cities, being the largest surviving metropolis, take center stage as the capital of the group.

Midwesterners always seem to be willing to work together to get shit done, so though it's a slight stretch, I could see this.

I'd say think smaller. Do you know how big a county is with your feet, maybe horses, and a small amount of gas that you need for electrical generators? Like I've been saying all along, I think that the main focus should be on regions within a state. Tell us what the area is like, whether it's a feud with the neighboring town or a rather extraordinary marauder warlording over the next county over. Hell, even if you take a more broad-based spectrum, remember that regions will have trouble becoming unified (the sort of herculean task best left to PC's) much less states. If you wanna talk about Washington as a whole, talk about the different factions and movements in the Eastern counties, about the antagonism with the Western counties, and about the towns along the Cascades who just want to keep everyone out. That sort of thing. Don't think of it as describing nations or empires or even city-states. Hell, the most likely scenarios for a state or a large portion of a state being under a single unified command is it being a major holding of one of the two warring governments, which means a lot in the social condition different then being a place that's not.

Anyways, the point of this "on the ground intel" bit is to avoid "the Corn Empire of Midwestia" and get more into "the New Bern county war" and "the allied militias along the Blankityblank range" and so on.

But I love all the participation and thought and everything so far, so please don't take it as criticism.

Bumping up

>>2744492
from western NY here. I'll admit alot of this was tl;dr (mostly because I'm too tired to, and not that it's not an intriguing idea) as my post is about to be, but a few Ideas I think I could throw around. Firstly much of western NY is in or next to some of the largest deposits of fresh water in the world (great lakes/finger lakes). I would imagine there would be a fair amount of water trade, or perhaps, in the given time frame, the beginning infrastructure of a fresh water pipeline.

western NY is also pretty much smack dab in the middle of a jet stream during some seasons, which would carry the remnants of the fallout, the causality of probably a few things. There would probably be large migrations of people coming in and out during the heavy fallout seasons (I imagine this would be true for any regions the jet stream passes through), provided there are jobs or resources to return to. One such job might be at the distillation plants being constructed to filter the exposed freshwater into potable water. Many of western NY's cities, Buffalo Rochester and Syracuse, are already fairly industrial. Rochester alone has vast industrial/chemical parks thanks to Kodak being based there. I imagine much of that could be retrofitted to produce things designed towards the current state of the governments affairs.

The Ginna nuclear plant is about 15 miles east of the center of Rochester and about 50 miles west of Syracuse. the plant is pretty far out in the boonies so no huge direct casualties after it having been nuked, but the large brunt of the fallout would head east into Syracuse. There is also another nuclear plant in Oswego, and are pretty much on the same latitude. there would be extremely heavy fallout everywhere east of lake ontario.

tl;dr Buffalo and Rochester NY are a water trading hub, as well as industrial and chemical exports. Syracuse Utica and possibly Albany are fallout zones from the razing of two nuclear power facilities.

>>2745727
con't.

also this link may interest you.
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html
it shows the radius of a nuclear blast ranging from a 1KT blast at ground level to a 4 MT (4000kt) high altitude blast.

Atomic bamp

>>2746201

Indeed. Keeping this thread alive this time will mean more people aware, so when this dies I can put it on the wiki and people can contribute and we won't have to bug the board with another thread for a while.

Israel is a smoking, irradiated wasteland. VIPs and their immediate families were able to relocate to hidden underground habitats in the southern desert. Israel in turn had nuked the capitals of syria, jordan, egypt, saudi-arabia, and iran. The area is a chaotic warzone, filled with gangs of religious fanatics trying to gain control, convert, or kill anyone not of their faction. As of now, the most noticable leader is Mahmud Abu-Hakim, an egyptian extremist, leading a large force of ex-military personel. At the moment he has control of the entire egyptian river delta and the sinai penisula, while sending raiding parties into what remains of israel and saudi arabia.
There are rumors of israeli stealth units operating in the area, assasinating and conducting intelligence operations. The discovery of the israeli secret habitat will be a huge prestige boost for any group leader.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Post-Apocalyptic_Roadmap

Here's the main page. So how should I setup the directory for the different locations as they're added, and how do I do it?

Hello world

This is Bernd again. I hope somebody's receiving this. This message will broadcast in a continuous loop. It is updated monthly. We are the survivors of Hamburg.

A few hundred thousand of us are still alive. We have cleared most of the city and it's canals of the corpses. Everything is very quiet. Two power plants are operational and provide limited energy to the central parts of town. Some diesel still remains to operate a few cranes and excavators. Water filtration is a big issue, since not enough can be purified to provide us with uncontaminated crops from our greenhouses for everybody. And people keep coming. Canned goods run the black market. The Bundeswehr has established a refugee control infrastructure, but it is failing.

Limited networking could be established to DE-CIX at Frankfurt, so we know most larger German cities, as well as the French, Dutch, Scandinavian, Polish, Czech, Austrian, and Italian networks we could reach, are in the same situation.

Sweden:

No direct nuclear hits due to near-neutrality and military weakness.

The war's disruption of the oil supply and nuclear winter have greatly reduced harvests. This has led to tightened relations with Norway, Finland and Russia, to ensure a supply of coal and oil. This has in turn led to fairly strong economic regrowth.

The agricultural shock and wartime pulse of refugees from directly afflicted nations has pushed the far-right Sweden Democratic Party well above the minimum vote percentage and into parliament. Using highly dubious accusations against immigrant "terrorists", the right-wing coalition government has been waging a war in the streets, resulting in an intermittent state of emergency being declared. A military organization called FRA has expanded into the all-surveilling hub of a new secret police, silently removing every enemy of this new regime.

tl;dr V for Vendetta

Here, have some coffee. That's the last of my Dunkin's, so don't spill it. You're in Nashua, New Hampshire. How long you been on the road? Shit. Boston's still glowing, huh?

This here used to be the Pheasant Lane Mall, but now it's sort of an army base and refugee center. The old stores are our barracks, stripped of goods and filled with bedding from the many local furniture stores. We had a lot of them. I can still hear the jungles. We get plenty coming from New York and such, it's been slow the past year.

We have water, filtered from the local rivers. We grow most of our own food, there's a lot of farmland in the hills, and we've got a few greenhouses built in the parking lots. Think you can manage solids? Here, try this. No, it ain't beef. We're calling it rover. See, we had a lot of dog breeders here, before Boston lit up. After the 'Marts ran out of meat, we had to try different sources. There's a lot of deer out there, but deer can't smell radiation and ain't safe to eat.

>>2742760
>With D.C. and Camp David wiped off the map
Living in the D.C. metro area, i'd be fucked after only four post.

>>2748527

Yes the setup isn't perfect. But if I want to contribute I'm sure you can think of something to write about.

Ok, here's a thing: If your local area is kind of fucked and you don't know enough about the rest of your state to describe some other area in it, why not describe a little bit about the state as a whole, like describe whether there's a Pegasus presence, New Pentagon presence, neither, or both, that sort of thing.

Same with anyone living in Virginia- feel free to describe how your hometown/county/region-of-counties are doing under Pegasus rule.

Nagoya, Japan Anonfag here.


As the three years of war wore on, the Japanese quickly discovered they were abandoned by their American protectors who felt that the true war front was more important than maintaining their foothold in Southeast Asia. As American military forces were redirected to Alaska, their bases in Okinawa were left poorly understaffed-- ripe circumstances for a unified, Communist Korea and China to make a joint attack on the archipelago.

Nuclear devastation and the havoc it wreaked on the environment caused a surge in water levels, which caused many minor islands belonging to Japan to disappear, and forever change the shape of Japan's natural borders as the world knew it.

The conquered Japanese, sorely unprepared for any military action due to prohibitions placed at the close of WWII, became second-class citizens in their own country, as they were removed from all levels of upper government, as well as became a source of manpower for their high-casualty armies.

The population of Japan died off in vast numbers, as their land became irradiated, and their two conquerors blockaded any relief efforts to import food for the starving populace. It's not surprising to note that, due to their feelings of abandonment by the Americans and the harsh treatment they received from the Koreans and Chinese, the Japanese became extremely xenophobic-- both in heart and in local government legislature (except towards their new masters anyway). As a result, most prefectures enact isolationist practices that put even the Japanese Meiji-era paranoia and elitism to shame.

Without any sizable resources coming into or out of Japan, the economy is in ruins. Theirs is a nation built on loosely-tied prefecture-states, as their captors manage the country only in name (yet severely punish the slightest offenses, as though righting their common cultural hatred of the Japanese, who once conquered and committed atrocities in both Korea and China).

Atlanta, Georgia

Well, sort of. Atlanta was, as far as we know, the fifth American city hit. I was watching the news ("The forth impact struck Chicago just moments ago...") when the bomb hit. I don't know where it was targeting... the CDC maybe? Rail yards? The missile, while descending, impacted a 737 departing Hartsfield-Jackson International. It exploded over East Point instead of... wherever it was headed. Not to say the majority of the city wasn't wiped out. It was. Took all the targets of opportunity I listed with it. Difference is, if the bomb had gone off over downtown we all would've gone with it. Saved by central Georgian hills... who would've thought?

Most of us are heavily irradiated. Saw a guy bleed out through his skin yesterday. I myself can't feel my extremities. Another guy came down with what somebody said was smallpox. We killed him, but two others are showing symptoms.

Stay the hell away from Atlanta. Message set to repeat every three hours. Buckhead tower two out.

Wichita, KS anon.
With McConnell AFB and no fewer than 4 major aircraft manufacturing facilities, its a fair bet we've been glassed by the time anyone realizes there was an error anywhere.

Rochester, MN

Before the bombs hit, we were known for two things: the prestigious Mayo Clinic, which had many of the finest doctors in the country; and IBM headquarters.

Chicago was close enough for radiation to be a worrisome, but the real problem for us was the anti-intellectual rioting by all the Somalians that Lutheran Social Services had been flying in over the past years. The fighting was brutal; it was then that we lost the few priceless electronics that had escaped the EMPs--and the people who could make more. They left the doctors alone, as long as they treated the rioters...

...Then the first militiamob came through. They forced the doctors into their gang, and blew away anyone who thought otherwise.

There's nothing left for us here. I have some relatives in the Dakotas, and I've got some gas left in the truck. Should make it a decent distance before I have to start on foot. Hope the coyotes out there haven't mutated.

Ok, so how does 1d4chan wiki stuff work...do I put this stuff into the article, do the contributors, what?

I'm unfamiliar with all the proper etiquette. Also I can't format worth shit so if anyone wants to give me pointers or mosey on to the page and setup a section to divide things by state (and then a category for foreign countries as a whole) I'd appreciate it.

Also, great stuff so far guys. Let's positive thinking!

Hmm... I wonder how Toronto would fare. It is a huge (for Canada) city, but... I don't think it has much military, or political importance (on a international stage). It has tons of economic importance, but I don't imagine that be as important for the initial strikes.

Perchance, Toronto doesn't get hit. That would become then a meka for survivors from both Canada (Ottawa, and our military towns/cities (especially the big ones in Quebec) and the Northern States.

With its access to the Great Lakes and then St. Lawrence (could hit up any surviving US cities along the way) and then Atlantic Ocean and major airports it could become a major Trade city from the get-go. Most likely mainly with ships and not aircraft.

>>2749132
To add to that, it is also incredibly multicultural we could see race riots break out in places like Chinatown as the populace finds out who dropped the bombs.

Occupational Headquarters of the Peoples Liberation Army, Tokyo.
Central Military Commission requests all occupational commanders to effect an immediate withdrawal to the mainland to support the central government against counter-revolutionary elements. Employ scorched earth at will.

East Texas: Being that Dallas/Fort Worth is a smoking wasteland (due to transportation/commercial importance) as is Houston (even larger transportation and commercial importance, and the nuking of several of the large military bases in central Texas and the Army supply base near Texarkana, and the fact that much more west of Central Texas, and you already have an uninhabitable wasteland. Because of this, and other factors to be named, East Texas would probably become the seat of power of the New Republic of Texas.

East Texas is a large rural area with good soil, plenty of surface water, and even more groundwater. Before the accident, it was filled with chicken farms, oil wells, logging operations, and small farming operations. Luckily, after the larger cities in TX were hit, along with New Orleans (shipping and oil processing) and the prevailing winds blowing to the west, there was not too much fallout dropped the central portion of east TX.

>>2749259

Almost all of the above ground water sources are tainted, but due to the large number of aquifer layers through the region, there is plenty of fresh, potable water. The cities that have taken a power hold in the region are Nacogdoches and Lufkin, due to their large populations before the accident. Since the event, a lot of people have moved into the safer region from the outskirts of Houston, Dallas, and Austin.

Many of the people who moved in have filled in the region along US 59 between Nacogdoches and Lufkin, forming a large ghetto of somewhat poorly constructed houses connecting the two cities. Away from the heavily populated areas is huge amounts of land, perfect for farming enough food to support the population of the region. Beyond the availability of enough food to support the populace, there is lots of black gold still being pumped out of the ground which makes for a populace able to move further away from the populated areas to farm. Small refineries have been constructed, and are currently being expanded to allow for more even more readily available petroleum products.

>>2749264

There is also still electricity available to much of the region due to the large amounts of coal easily available near the surface.

tl;dr: Since the rest of Texas is nuked/unlivable, survivors from the large metro areas have moved into deep east TX and have formed a somewhat autonomous region of farmers, lumberjacks, and oil producers.

Author of East Texas, added in a section on the 1d4chan page to add links. If you wrote stuff in this thread, add it to 1d4chan damnit.

The Netherlands

Only half a dozen major cities were targeted in the entire Benelux region, of which only three cities in the Netherlands suffered from a direct nuclear impact. However due to its small size, radiation fallout is high across the country, cities that were not directly targeted were destroyed by food riots and looters. National and regional governments collapsed under the sheer weight put on them by need of this densely populated nation. The western provinces slowly turned into a hellhole with roving bands that to this days pick clean the bones of the cityscape. The more northerly provinces are relatively calm, but still suffer from food shortages, lawlessness and fallout sickness. Life expectancy is low and the outlook for the foreseeable future is exceedingly grim. We are once again a nation of substance farmers, all the things once known must be relearned. I feel optimistic thoughts should not enter my mind, but I know through perseverance we can pull through. We always have.

- Excerpt from a diary found on a body on the outskirts of Groningen city.

>>2749211
Recieved at the PLA occupational forces HQ, Tokyo.
From the office of Colonel-General Yue.

Brother, I know we have never agreed on this and mean no disrespect to your loyalty but I have been forced to take action against our corrupt Government which has abandoned the people. Our blood and treasure have been wasted on this war of revenge when the people starve and fall stricken by the dark clouds from the west. Fully half of the Peoples Congress has been arrested and the leaders of the Liberal faction have been executed as traitors. The Emergency Party Committee has gone too far this time and I urge you to join me and the remainder of the Liberal faction. Remember your oath was to serve the people, not the Chairman. The time is now, take all measures to neutralise the Commisariat and withdraw all combat units to the Shenyang Military Region. We need to make our move on Beijing soon if we are to save the nation.
/
/

Archived on suptg.

>>2749347

That's what I'm saying. I'd feel uncomfortable copypasta-ing other people's stuff.

>>2749269
>>2749264
>>2749259


I can already see the usefulness of this project. This location is a war waiting to happen. If a party of PC's come through there or in a game set there, I imagine any Pegasus or New Pentagon presence anywhere remotely near Texas is going to be making plans to seize this region for the oil and coal reserves, plus considering Nevada deserts and California's water problems the water table you mention is probably of pretty damn strategic importance as well.

Garland, Texas.

We're one of the suburbs of Dallas, not too crowded, and the Big D wasn't quite big enough to earn a mushroom cloud. So we were pretty okay, at first. I mean, relatively. We're pretty spread-out, for one thing. Dallas is fair-sized, but it's surrounded by like a hundred miles of suburbs, so we weren't all packed in together like the Panic hit, like in Detroit or Philly. The looting took about five hours to warm up, and seriously, who didn't see it coming? The cops stayed home, didn't even try to stop it. Anyone who was smart left downtown quick as they could; they were running busses and trains packed like cattle, and all those bigass redneck trucks finally came in handy; half the drivers just went cross-country as soon as they cleared the off-ramp.

The news crews packed it at about this point, so most of what I'm about to relate is hearsay.

>>2749544

If you need moar detailed shit, can poke my talk page and when i have more time i can be assed add more detailed stuff about actual distances and other smaller cities that would logically be useful.

>>2749576 cont
Anyway, some of those shop-owners downtown didn't want to be looted, and so you had a fair number of shootings, and that touched the riots off in earnest. Uh... riot's the wrong word. It was unreal. Everyone says it was the South Dallas blacks or the illegals that started it, take your pick which, but every redneck with a pickup and a hunting rifle made a beeline for downtown and joined right in. There's a guy I work with, former army, he caught one of the last buses out. He said it was like Beruit. Like fucking Blackhawk Down. The rednecks rolled in shooting, but in the dark, they couldn't see who was who and it just turned into a 360-degree spray-and-pray gangfuck.

Whitey came out on top, for what it's worth. The sun came up, and people could distinguish targets, and an awful lot of people were hurt or dead so everyone was thinking a bit more cautiously. The "peacekeepers" called all their buddies, got organized, and swept right through shooting anyone that looked at them funny. A guy at my church was bragging about how many guys he'd shot, said they did a dozen thugs up against a wall, firing-squad style.

The rioters saw how it was going by evening. The smarter ones ran, mostly into Richardson and Rockwall. They burned and looted that shit to the ground, and then melted away while the /k/ommando fags were moping up in Flower Mound. The shooting was mostly over by 8pm, two days after the nukes landed.

>>2749595 cont
Now, things are just... quiet. The phones are down now, internet's down, there's nothing much on TV or radio but canned PSAs from the 60s. I keep waiting for the army or the Guard to show up, but it's been a week and still nothing. They're probably busy dealing with the places that did get hit, but I'd be much, much happier to see some actual government around here. The police never came back, and the "peacekeepers" never left. They call themselves the Texas Free Army now, and there's more of them on the streets every day. They say we're under martial law. I'm pretty sure they don't have the ayuthority to do that, but I'm also pretty sure that they'll shoot or hang anybody that argues. I saw my first corpse last Wednesday; they shot a guy in the gutter, and just left him there. wouldn't let anybody take the body away. I've seen three more since, another shooting and two hangings.

There's rumors that we've got bad fallout on the way from California and the rest of the hits out west. I want to get out of here, but the Militia have closed the highways. We've got enough food for four more days, maybe a week or so if we really make it stretch, and we were better-stocked than most. All the stores are looted or bought out, or commandeered by the Militia.

I honestly don't think anyone has any idea what they're doing. Another week and the entire area is going to be in a honest-to-god famine, and those gun cunts wont do a thing about it till it boils over into all-out war. I don't intend to hang around and watch. I'm packing what I can, and my family and a few others are heading North. We'll try to make Alberta, if we can.

I'm taping this account, and leaving it with a co-worker who's trying to set up a ham radio. If this message is received by any representative or agent of the United States Government, please make any effort possible to restore contact with Dallas with all possible speed. People are dying there.

Garlandfag here. I write all that, and then refresh the page and see that Dallas has already been relegated to Green Glass.

Dammit. I like my version better. Maybe they had something better to shoot at than Dallas. Crawford, maybe?

>>2749664
Ft. Worth?

>>2749576

East Texas author here, talkin about possibly getting our ideas lined up. I could see saying that Dallas doesnt get nuked, but quickly becomes unlivable due to fallout rendering almost all of the water dallas drinks unusable (since pretty much all of it comes from surface lakes)

How does that sound?

>>2749692
No one dares go to Big D because of all the Muties that roam around.

Livermore, CA

Because of the national lab here it was quickly put under martial law within days of the event. skipping to "present" time one now requires clearance to enter or exit the city which has been "evacuated" (in reality the government forced citizens not related to lab activity to leave). What the current government (what's left of the old one) does there now is anyone's guess.

>>2748991 cont
Well, I sure fucked up. Sorry that I put you into this too, boy.

The gas lasted longer than I thought, and some miracle kept us from meeting any highwaymen. Probably not enough traffic to warrant watching the old interstates. Good; I wasn't expecting to be able to hold them off with just you & me & the .308. Managed to get clear out of Minnesota before the truck finally came to a halt.

I used to live in South Dakota's capital, Pierre. Figured it would be as good a place as any, long as the dam hadn't been targeted. What I'd forgotten till then was that I'd be going through the Indian reservations to get there. But I figured that those alcoholic Sioux bums wouldn't even notice me.

Yeah. But there'd been a few changes in the past year, boy. From what I can tell, some guy's made himself out to be the big chief, and figures he'll return to the old ways conquer the old hunting grounds while the rest of us are crippled. I don't know how he did it.

Keep your nose peeled, boy. We got lucky when I spotted them from that bluff a ways back. But I don't think they want anyone knowing that they're making a move, yet. We'll be lucky to get away from this one. At least the wind's on our side.

For now.

>>2749725
oh, and the longest going lightbulb goes out :(

Maybe Dallas got nuked but some of it's sprawling suburbs, like Garland, are still inhabited?

Just downgrade the level of whopping Dallas got.

>>2749692
Sounds good to me. Fallout would finish what the riots start. There's some pretty significant three-way racial tension, white vs Hispanic over illegal immigration, and white vs black over all the usual stuff. mix in lots of guns and not enough food, and it would get ugly really, really fast.

And then the fallout rolls in a week or two later, and the whole place is pretty much toast.

Maybe Dallas got nuked but some of it's sprawling suburbs, like Garland, are still inhabited?

Just downgrade the level of whopping Dallas got.

>>2749747

Alright, ill edit the entry on 1d4chan. Cause really, with all the racial tensions and the advent of no permanent source of fresh water and rather poor soil for farming, by three years Dallas would most likely just be a large crumbling waste.

Before this thread goes much more though, we should pick which major cities get hit for easier reference for writers.

>>2749795

Either that, or just edit a few names and change mine to nearly any other smaller, southwestern metropolitan suburb. Then I can rewrite garland properly later, and set it in the proper three-years-after time frame to boot.

This is a hell of a thing you've made here, OP. Kudos.

>>2749824

Not OP, but Mr east TX here. Tripfagging to make conversation easier. I'll add another portion in the East Texas page about the fall of dallas.

ill do the Philippines but I need info on China... How stabilized are they???
Do they retain a government or even just an army???
This is potentially important for my country...

>>2749964

Assume you haven't heard from them. That way if some illegal underground PRC citizen with a computer wants to contribute, he's still able.

So, how do we handle the getting of stuff from the thread to the wiki? Sure just having the wiki article will be good for contributions over time, but it'd be a shame to lose the great content int his thread.

>>2750361
Archive?

>>2749964
Read earlier on they invaded Japan, then they had a civil war.
I might add in some self inflicted nuclear exchange and a fractured power structure

I'd say you can assume China got at least partially hit and was involved in the nuke throwing between NATO countries and the Russian Federation before things were over (or else the damage in the US would probably not be so bad, if you think of the entire NATO defense system against the Russian Federation's capacities alone).

>>2750373
See >>2749456

>>2750445
Someone started a piece on Japan which involved a joint Chinese-Korean invasion of opportunity and revenge. I added hints of the invasion stretching the Chinese resources too seriously, compounded by the fallout induced famine and miscellaneous problems coming from the smoking crater formerly known as Russia. This implies that China did not get directly during the exchange due to its non aligned status and used it as an advantage to seek revenge on Japan which has had all its US bases hit (Okinawa etc).
The economic crisis in China caused by the loss of foreign markets, oil imports combined with famine and a costly campaign divides the Party Congress between the executive and their supporters and a so called "liberal socialist" faction. Many purgings,arrests, show trials and executions later, a group of PLA generals stage a coup-detat along with 40% of the army and most of the airforce in support of the liberal socialists. The Central Govt retains control of the military regions in the centre and most of the nuclear arsenal. The Northmost military region (the best equipped) is undecided and still has many of its units in Japan.
Korea is said to have joined the Chinese (Communists won) and are also occupying Japan. Their response is up to any Korean anons to finish.

>>2750659

Alright then. Now if we could get all that up onto the wiki! I just don't know what the general policy and acceptable behavior is in this regard. Whenever I've started wikis in the past I've splarged all my stuff and then let other people write new stuff into it and so on.

Redone Story-style.

Well... Vegas is gone. I was out of town, up north in Reno. We've been hit by Fallout all over the state. Whatever they used on Edwards and Nellis was big and nasty. A guy I know in Reno is an Amateur pilot and we decided ot give it a look. From overhead... It's a Nightmare. Whatever Nellis was, is gone. Everything around it is gone. I can't find anything that resembles the Speedway. Everything within a couple miles of Nellis AFB is flattened rubble. Anything else in Las Vegas is dead or dying. Downtown and the Strip are ghost towns. The Stratosphere still stands defiantly, still the landmark it ever was, just dead as everything else. Black blastmarks mar the North and east sides of the structure. It looks like it's leaning ever so slightly. All things considered, anyone left alive is probably hiding out in a congregation within the Convention Centers... Most likely the Sands, or LVCC. My old apartment is very likely irradiated. I had to leave my dog with a Neighbor and I hope to God she's dead and inedible. Not even I could bring myself to eat my baby. I'd brought a ham radio with me, and it still sorta works. Surprised it didn't get knocked out during the attack. Not picking up any signals... My pilot says we'd better get back to Reno before we soak too much radiation and run out of fuel. Surprised we had enough to get this far, but apparent the plane's owner was here in Vegas, so I doubt he'll care if we happened to borrow it.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Main_Page

Doing Southern Nevada there right now... Might do Central Florida, but I'd have to look at whatever Military Installations might give them reason to hit anything near the Ocala region(other than Orlando and Tampa for obvious civilian center reasons.)

>>2742715
Denmark:

Being a relatively unknown country with few enemies (apart from Muslim extremists still irate about the muhammed crisis) Denmark initially faired fairly well, no real military action was taken, might be that extremists found other countries more inviting, or simply that they didn't know where Denmark is.

However indirect effects were felt, the nuking of London sent clouds of radiated dust flying over the north sea, whilst the ocean and general rainy weather absorbed a fair bit, the west coast is not a good place to be, and fish is no longer part of a healthy diet.

As Denmark had relied extensively on NATO for military organisation the army was paralysed, the large groups of "holiday soldiers" or volunteer national guard along with the large amount of police kept mass panic and looting to a minimum, whilst martial law was enacted it hardly came to use, except to enforce order upon left and right-wing confrontations.

The blame for the whole mess was swiftly placed on the US and UK and by extension the current government, they were swiftly disposed by decentralized rules in the various regions.

The heavy dependence on non-expendable resources kept power going for a large part, and the massive agricultural industry secured against famine, and allowed for strong trade with the other Scandinavian countries which had massive natural resources but little farm able land.

Zealand being a strong control-point for oceanic travel in and out of the Baltic Sea, and as such quickly became heavily fortified with whatever naval force could be gathered, tensions continues to escalate.

>>2750797

We have a page on the wiki. It's just we aren't sure if we should post other people's stuff that's on the thread there.

Southern Nevada is up if anyone cares to take a look and give it shit.

BUMPAN!

A couple of books that could provide some decent inspiration are "The Postman" and "Alas, Babylon".

>>2751698

Yeah nothing in the postman is all that far-fetched if I recall from a summary. Oregon survival whackos, a California militia on the rise, and scientists pretending a supercomputer is up when it's not. I wouldn't want to copy from it, but it is probably good inspiration on the fragmentation of American society.

Of course don't forget the fact that in some areas a greater level of maintained infrastructure exists- lots of people are starving and everything is covered in mud, but there's still trucks and government and whatnot. But it's all even crappier for it because the two governments are drafting up soldiers and fighting over areas in order to "reconstruct" them in order to fight each other.

>>2751841
I read it fairly recently, and it mentions that most of the more civilized organizations and pre-war infrastructure was around for several years after the war, steadily getting ground down. The main character had been part of the National Guard until his unit was down to only a few men, and much of the stuff they'd been guarding (grain silos, IIRC) was lost.

I just thought about it.
Post-War Yucca Mountain(Provided it's finished by the time to bombs fell.)

Great stuff so far, I'm just wishing we could get the Japan, Germany, and other stuff we have on the thread to the wiki, I'm just unsure of posting other people's stuff.

>>2752188

Could start a page or section of the main page devoted to short stuff written by random anons.

Also working on getting a map drawn up of a post event East Texas.

Nagoya Japan Anonfag here again.

Am uploading onto the 1d4wiki page. I'll also go ahead and post China's, though I might need some help with formatting the entries.

Also, I think we should go ahead and post them, if we have time, given the tenuous nature of 4chan to cycle through threads. If the original author returns, they can always edit or amend their entries on the wiki themselves.

>>2752335

Alright then.

Have some of the thread's content up, but I gotta work on a Godlike character now. I'll finish it up later tonight or tommorow morning, using the archived thread if I have to. Once the thread dies start posting any new material you want to contribute on the wiki page, so we avoid spamming with new threads and losing material from unarchive worthy threads and so on. We can talk about additional threads to continue to raise awareness and spitball ideas at some later date.

If you wanna help post things from this thread to the wiki page, please do. By going to the edit option on the linked main Roadmap wikipage you should figure out how to link to a new page and then edit in the material pretty easily.

>>2748590
I live in Montgomery County MD, 20 miles north of D.C., so I would figure the two big bad factions would be fighting over something that close to the former nation's capital. Baltimore would, most likely, be a smoldering wasteland by this point in time. I would think the Eastern parts of the state would be fine, unless someone dropped some high powered shit on Andrews Air Force Base and Dover AFB(Dover, Delaware). If anything of my town survived it would be in civil war because everyone would want control, for whatever symbolic reason, of what's left of Washington.

>>2752653

Congratulations. You get to decide if your town is occupied by the Virginia Pegasus forces, a New Pentagon element, or if both have been using your zone as a sort of neutral ground or something. Post a brief description of your county/town and tell us what's it's like after the war and of the effects of whichever of the situations you choose, as those seem the main possibilities based on what you said and given the background.

China finished, and expanded upon.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Post-Apocalyptic_Roadmap/China

Reworking Japan now.

>>2744304
The NZ in ANZUS doesn't really count anymore. Apart from us having barely any military to speak of aside from peacekeeping forces (which means we'd probably be ignored except as a possible staging ground to invade Australia), the US isn't a military ally ever since we pulled the finger at them in the late 80s.

TL;DR New Zealand would be ignored in a nuclear holocaust except possibly out of spite, the US might throw a nuke our way or an Asian country may remember how much we rip them off at our tourist destinations.

>>2752653

remember, kids: secure tripcode does NOT go in the email field.

CHINA:

Three months after the bulk of American forces were withdrawn from Japanese military bases in Okinawa, the Chinese launched an preemptive and decisive attack on the Japanese archipelago. Soon joined in battle by a unified and Communist-converted Korean People's Republic, it was not long before they overtook the largely-defenseless island nation. Together with Korean forces, the Chinese ousted all current Diet members and leaders in Japan, and instead replaced them with military liaisons acting as regional governors; they also created an effective naval blockade around the nation to prevent any ships entering or leaving Japanese waters.

Although China and Korea rule Japan, China does so in name only, effectively leaving the Japanese to their own fates. However, the Chinese-Korean military retain their control of the Japanese central government by the wars' end.

China simultaneously entered the fray between Russia and NATO forces-- at first against NATO, but then against their short-lived allies as Russian forces marched through the nation-- whether the Russians were invading or simply relocating forces has never been discovered. Diplomatic ties between the Russian Federation and China were vaporized, and China instead became a third-party superpower in the fray, attacking both sides of the NATO conflict.

>>2752848
The Lianong city cluster, with a population of 33.6 million, was reduced to ashes and concrete devastation by two nuclear warheads, in what was probably the largest casualty in the course of the war. Beijing was hit by one nuclear warhead, and Shanghai, originally a nuclear target, narrowly missed being hit.

These victims of war, all large production and economic centers of China, along with the Japanese invasion stretched Chinese resources thinly. Much of western China is thrown into economic limbo, while eastern China is affected by radiation fallout, famine and miscellaneous problems coming from the smoking crater formerly known as Russia.

Several cities along the Yangtze river report a second outbreak of the bubonic plague, and though these never reach the levels it did during medieval periods, they are never fully treated, either.

The economic crisis in China caused by the loss of foreign markets, oil imports combined with famine and a costly campaign divides the Party Congress between the executive and their supporters and a so-called "liberal socialist" faction. Many purgings,arrests, show trials and executions later, a group of PLA generals stage a coup-detat along with 40% of the army and most of the air force in support of the liberal socialists. The Central Government retains control of the military regions in the center, surrounding hard-hit Shanghai, and most of the nuclear arsenal. The northernmost military region (the best equipped) is undecided and still has many of its units in Japan.

>>2752848
>>2752853

Hong Kong successfully rebelled against the thinly-spread Chinese, and though they took heavy hits from the military, they held them off long enough that international sympathies and opinions recognized them as an independent republic. While in this disputed status, Hong Kong declared in favor of NATO-- who then, with United Nations' support, successfully kept Chinese forces through the end of the three-year nuclear war. China has never officially commented on this status, but it was clear by the end of the conflicts that Hong Kong was lost to them. Emboldened by Hong Kong's actions, several Sino-Russo border cities and villages on either side were assimilated into both Russia and China. The Modern Korean Republic declared itself brothers-in-spirit-and-arms for the People's Republic of China and remained closely allied together long after the end of the war.

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>>2744190
here. I'll try to add more for the New York area.

Manhattan was ground zero again, this time for a major nuclear attack that devastated the entire island, a lot of Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, along with Staten Island and much of Eastern Central New Jersey right across the Hudson River. Long Island wasn't as affected by the blast itself, but fallout moving across the island made many want to leave. However, as all of the overland routes off the island were through the irradiated ruins formerly known as Queens, Manhattan, the Bronx, Staten Island, and New Jersey. Most of the residents that wished to get out of the area tried to get to the north coast of the island, attempting to get on one of the ferries across Long Island Sound to Connecticut and points north. MacArthur and Republic airports, the biggest airports in the area after LaGuardia and JFK were rendering inoperable by the nuke, also served as evacuation points. Those that stayed behind were left to eek out whatever meager existence they could, as the fallout killed most of the sea life that fishermen could have used to support themselves and killed off many of the crops they attempted to grow. The grand houses and shops of the Hamptons lay abandoned, as the rich and upper middle class that formerly summered there now found that they had more important matters to deal with.

>>2753343
In the Hudson Valley, a second nuke meant to take out the United States Military Academy at West Point left many in Westchester County in dire straits, caught between the two blasts. Much of the Hudson Valley was contaminated by the dual attacks, more coming when Indian Point melted down soon afterwards. The NYANG base at Camp Smith was another casualty of the West Point blast, due to their proximity. Stewart Airport in Newburgh would have made a good evac point, but it, too, was ruined by the West Point bomb. Needless to say, the fallout from the explosions contaminated the reservoirs that supply New York with water. Survivors in this region either attempted to move north to Albany and points north or Connecticut. Although according to >>2745727 Albany is full of fallout due to a nuclear meltdown...


Another missile hit Fort Drum near Watertown a little east of Lake Ontario, presumably to take out the base of the 10th Mountain Division. The fallout contaminated the lake, along with the surrounding area (not too familiar with the area, not too sure what's around there).

Many of the suburbs on the New Jersey side of the Hudson were wiped out by the New York bomb. Northern New Jersey had to deal with the fallout of it as well. Mid New Jersey was the only part of the state to merit an actual strike, hitting Fort Dix/McGuire AFB/NAES Lakehurst (not to familiar with this area either, so someone else should handle the result of this strike). Southern Jersey's suburbs took some of the force of the attack on Philadelphia, fallout scattering the rest of the area (again, not too familiar with this area, someone else elaborate).

Bump for more stories. Let's see a picture of a post apocalyptic world.

Arizona would be slightly more a wasteland, Tucson would most likely be spared since Davis-Monthan isn't that strategically important but the sprawling Phoenix would most likely be the main target, specifically the Palo Verde nuclear power plant and Luke AFB

Gold Coast, Australia:

After the bombing of Australia's cities, the eastern seaboard's sprawling towns devolved into more tribal communities. None more so than Surfer's Paradise. Once packed with tourists, all are now refugees. Unable to return to their own countries, and exiled by their nationality, they have taken up residence in the many now abandoned hotels. As far south as Broadbeach, and as far north as Main Beach, there are walls of cars, scrap metal, and packed sand. Each ethnicity fights for control of the beaches, the only place where food can be fished out.

Of course, the Kebab stands still exist. These points of diplomacy in an otherwise racially charged sea are the only places the tribes interact peaceably, and those who can actually afford these dishes are few and far between.

The inner suburbs of the Gold Coast have long been abandoned, except by those willing to brave the encroaching desert. Southport is but a shell of itself, although it remains the safest place to seek out goods. Surprisingly, both Pacific Fair in Broadbeach, and Australia Fair in Southport are still operative, even if their goods have changed somewhat. The two exist in stark opposition, vying for power and resources, a largely bloodless war, in contrast to Surfer's.

With the destruction of the highway, the train remains as the only way up further than Helensvale, and sometimes there are expeditions to brave the wasteland of Brisbane, though these are incredibly dangerous. Thus, both Helensvale and Nerang maintain a small community of expeditioners, train mechanics, and civilians. Helensvale has fared better than most of the Gold Coast, with it's Westfield shopping centre able to provide refuge and food for those who survived further north.

There are rumours that Sydney suburbs survivors are trying to reopen the old railway to establish trade with their Gold Coast brethren, although with the desert fast moving in, it's unknown whether it will be possible.

It's been a few years since the split. I was stranded in Minneapolis for almost half a year, the buses were all commandeered for mass-evacuations down in the Chicago area. Eventually I got back home, and was grateful to see that not too much had changed. Downtown College avenue was swamped with refugees from Milwaukee and Madison, though those cities had not been hit, they suffered nonetheless from the panic riots and a general fear of possibly being hit later. The parks were similarly crowded. The Performance Arts Center had by then been claimed as a base of operations and management center of the CGUS, who were handling aid for the refugees. Appleton natives were asked to provide what they could to this end. The refugees have mostly cleared out now that it's clear there won't be another strike anytime soon. Some stayed and have become a part of the community, while others along with some native Appleton residents moved further north to join the dispersed farming communities that have become popular since the split. CGUS still holds the PAC, and has been working along with the staff of Lawrence University to provide "post-crisis education seminars" frequently, as most local schools have been abandoned, though some people still aren't too happy about CGUS presence, they seem to think that the midwestern states can take care of themselves, and I've heard some talk of seceding to Canada. I've noticed folk like that tend to take walks down Olde Oneida street towards the river locks late at night...

CGUS has also been trying to place the Appleton Paper mills under military control, but they've had little luck there as martial law is no longer under effect. Fox River Mall and Northland Mall have generally been abandoned, there were some small looting riots from what I hear, and businesses have consolidated towards the more populated areas, people don't drive anymore unless they going somewhere far, so there's not much reason to go out there.

Philippines:

Located south of the nuclear disaster that occured in Kagoshima, the country experienced an irony all its own. For a country that was known for encouraging its people to live in other countries, it now became a host to unprecedented millions of displaced refugees from other countries directly affected by the war.

Unfortunately, the nuclear attacks have slowed the Philippine economy to a crawl, as its main sources of imports - China, USA, and Japan - were effectively crippled. Adding to that, the corruption that was rampant in the government and the growing infection of anarchy spreading across fifty percent of the urban sectors of Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao brought the country a few inches short of collapse.

>>2753976
The only thing that prevented total collapse was the intervention of the Moro National Liberation Front. What would have been the perfect opportunity to accelerate the secession of Mindanao from the rest of the Philippines was abandoned in favor of the greater need to stabilize the entire country in these dark times.

Storming into Malacañang Palace, the seat of the Philippine government, their leader offered a surprised President offers of assistance. With power-hungry political dynasties and coup threats at the heels of the newly-elected President, he had little choice but to accept.

The Church, meanwhile, begun redoubling their efforts to restore morale and spiritual unity among the flock. However, with the unrelenting decay of society and the widespread anarchy spreading across both urban and rural lands, they have also begun to form a militant arm to defend their missions of mercy from opportunistic hands.

Rescuing this from page 9.

I'm up again now. I'll start uploading content to the page again.

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Well on cursory glance it looks like we've gotten everything from this thread up...

Well this has been a great start. Once again, you can look at what we have so far and contribute more at http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Post-Apocalyptic_Roadmap

So, for two examples of the two government presences, the parts of Colorado outside of the mountainous area with the NORAD base (which survived due to be a hardened bunker) with their sparse population to begin with and natural resources seems to be part of MGUS/New Pentagon's more stealthy means of control than the way CGUS dominates Virginia. It seems they're trying to attract refugees, possibly to work in military supervised camps to harvest lumber, work in the mines, etc.

And CGUS seems to be attempting a sort of propaganda thing of it's own in Minneapolis, which is loaded with refugees from other areas, setting up education courses probably to train people in vital skills while educating them to be loyal to Aberdine's government; a useful side-program while they attempt to get the major paper mill in the city up and running again.

I'll be keeping an eye on this.

ITT /tg/ does Fallout better than Fallout.

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Good stuff.

>>2756614

Oh we'll do a wild post-apocalypse, though still more Fallout than Gamma World, at some point too.

>>2756591

>in Minneapolis, which is loaded with refugees from other areas, setting up education courses probably to train people in vital skills while educating them to be loyal to Aberdine's government; a useful side-program while they attempt to get the major paper mill in the city up and running again.

I'm sorry, I need to apologize. I was the one who wrote that bit, and I realize now I never specifically stated what town/area I was writing about, which was Appleton, Wisconsin (hence references to refugees from Madison and Milwaukee). I currently am attending school in Minneapolis, so that's why I mention it at first since I was writing as though this had actually happened to me.

But I did think that CGUS would work that way, basically trying to make a play for the midwestern bread basket by means of providing support and education in the post-bombing era.

>>2756875

Yeah that makes sense. I'll change it to Appelton Wisconsin on the wiki.

In the early weeks following the nuclear war, the population of Pakistan surged from less than twenty million to hundreds of millions, eventually to more than a billion citizens by the end of three months. These new citizens of Pakistan formed the Stardust Crusaders party, under the leadership of the God-Emperor Dio Brando.

In order to provide food for its citizens(which consisted mainly of sand, which, unfortunately, turned to glass after waves of nuclear bombs scorched the dunes), and due to a bug that prevented companies from hiring new employees, the government of Pakistan made a deal with Le Parisius Consortium. Once the bug was fixed, Pakistan became self-sufficient and also one the first countries to have a complete hospital service. Currently, Pakistan is able to create millions of units of food a day, with over 12 billion in stock today. Pakistan prides itself in its countless amounts of high quality items for sale. Prices, although fixed, are moderate, inflation is low, and the economy will only expand as new recruits join in.

While plans to rebuild a military force have yet to arrive at the end of summer, many Pakistani citizens left due to boredom. Pakistan currently has a population of more than 1.5 billion, and a very active central society, making Pakistan a formidable country yet.

>>2757000
>In order to provide food for its citizens(which consisted mainly of sand, which, unfortunately, turned to glass after waves of nuclear bombs scorched the dunes)

MAN WHAT

>>2757000

Yeah...I think "God Emperor Dio Brando" tips us off that this is facetious.

>>2757000

Someone plays Erepublik

Needs a Vatican Fortress where the Pope and all the clerics have hidden underground in crypts along with a large population of the faithful. The Fortress is guarded by Swiss Guards who turn refugees fleeing the fallout with away with halberds and rifles. Little do they know, that an ancient brotherhood plots their downfall....

>>2757323

There was an Italianfag waxing broadly about his country earlier. But yeah, if Rome was not targeted despite being a capital, for it's unimportance on military matters (I imagine the US bases in Italy aren't in Rome itself, right?) and because of the Holy See and the Vatican City, then it might not be all that hard to imagine that the surviving government (since the capital is in Rome) is getting pushed around by the Holy See, while the Pope is being kept in the Vatican for his own safekeeping.

In the North Carolina Piedmonte the city of Greensboro has become the new capital in the wake of Raleigh's destruction (along with the state's large military bases). The Governing Council (consisting of the city mayor, city council, and those county and state officials that could be found) arose quickly after the attacks to organize engineers, doctors, and other workers to try to keep the works in the city and surrounding town going and to manage the refugees fleeing the radiation and fallout of the Triangle. Their ambitions at doing the same for the entire Piedmonte fell apart once the National Guard units were called North in a massive convoy to the federal camp in Virginia.

The State Militia; created under legal precedent with Governor powers by the Council and consisting of city, state, and township police as well as civilian volunteers; exercise the Council's planning authority throughout the towns of Guilford county, of which Greensboro is the largest city. However a challenger has ariseon the other side of the county in High Point, which had a dual courthouse and is calling itself the legitimate county seat in the face of Greensboro's "delusions" of state authority. No word has been heard from those sent out as far as the mountains, Cape Fear, and the Inner Banks; but the Council has been hearing things from travelers about the University folk in Durham trying to deal with the radiation sickness and starvation of the Triangle, and of Charlotte being fought over by starving gangs as the chamber of commerce tries to rule and they all seek to feed themselves off the trade of scavengers and meager farmers from throughout the Centralina area of the NC and South Carolinian counties in the Charlotte-Gastonne-Salisbury metro.

>>2745135
LOL Midwest Collective
First target for Rockies states after fighting off Texas and owning Kansas

>>2752866

Just for the records, the nuclear war was just enough for everyone to blow each other up and there wouldn't probably be much in the way of contact from the central UN. But besides those few quibbles the whole Chinese opportunistic invasion of Japan and rebellion at home thing is spiffy.

It's not like the UN would be good for doing anything anyways. Kind of like today.

So anyways, don't forget about the wiki page and contribute if you want. That way we don't have to make more threads all the damn time and lose content to threads that won't merit archive and will disappear before someone un-apathetic enough to put them into the wiki show up.

Also, how do I put the page into a category, so more people browsing 1d4chan will see it without looking for it specifically?

>>2753567
Also, although the Western Queensland outback farms still exist, the difficulty of transporting goods between these corrugated-iron guarded outposts and the coastal towns is harrowing, at the very least. Bands of brigands, riding stolen vehicles and horses (and often painted in aboriginal tribal patterns) often attack the food convoys, so a small industry has popped up around protecting them in exchange for food and shelter.

Anyways, I'll be working on some additional stuff about Pegasus and the New Pentagon, and if anybody wants to put the main Post-Apocalyptic Roadmap page in an appropriate category, I'd appreciate it.

We had high-tailed it out of Troy in the first few weeks following the incident. Albany wasn't hit, but things were falling apart there. The new president had called away the national guard, basically triaged the capital regardless of whether or not it could still function. We heard there might even be a civil war. Or maybe it was the Russians. Or the Chinese. All we knew is that there was hate and fear.

So a good bunch of us headed upstate. Smith and Nash, the ones who knew about the spot on Champlain belonged to the country club back then. Funny, I'd always thought that it would be the wealthy ones who stayed behind, locking themselves behind rod-iron fences and manicured lawns, waiting for someone to kill them and loot it.

But I guess when it really comes down to it, they had the most perspective. They knew that it was our lives which mattered, not our property or "survivability of government" that the militias around Albany were forming. In the end it was the people with the least to lose that wanted to die for it. Why, I'll never know. Right now I'm thinking waiting tables at that Club was the best decision I ever made; that's how I got into the group that headed up 87 towards Montreal.

>>2759367

We don't know how soon the bandits started operating along route 87, but they must have heard before even we did, 'cos they were there on our way up. Hell, maybe they were even operating BEFORE the attacks, but I doubt that. Anyway, the first time we came up they came at us with lights and sirens like a highway patrol. They stopped us and searched our 'convoy,' a dozen and a handful cars, pickups and vans, most pulling trailers. But back then we were still able to buy our way with money. A lot of money, but at least that's all they took. I dunno, maybe they still thought it would blow over at that point. We still counted ourselves lucky; we saw them setting up spike-strips behind us.

They made a lot of progress in three years. A frightening transformation of the landscape. This was the trip Nash planned for us to make, since not much word reached as far as us. I87 was still there, albeit stained and painted and cracked.

For miles southward the rusty hulks of scrapped cars with blown out tires littered the sides of the highway. I thought I caught a glimpse of bodies in some, but didn't dare stop. But about 20 miles south of Essex was the real shock. The overpasses had been converted into living spaces. Fortresses, even. Mobile homes and trailers and real houses even, piled two stories and covered in brick and sheet metal. Dark ports along the length in which probably lurked men and guns.

The pass underneath was blocked by a similar patchwork gate. Unsure of whether or not it was the right decision, we stopped the car.

>>2759463

A speaker overhead blared and asked our business. We told 'em where we were from and that we were headed towards albany, that we had no guns (which was a lie, and they probably knew it) and that we didn't mean to interfere with whatever they may be doing.

After a painful deliberate silence, we heard the rumbling of and engine, and the center part of the wall blocking our way pulled inwards, revealing that it was actually the reinforced rear end of a tractor trailer, probably filled with something heavy to prevent it from being rammed in. As we drove through, we found that the rest of the wall was similarly made of cargo containers, but they weren't connected to a cab.

Oddly, we weren't searched this time. But we were informed that if we got out of the car at any point before the next "station," we'd be shot. We weren't sure if we were being watched, but for a ten mile stretch we saw the oddest thing; villages, hamlets, whatever you wanna call 'em, dotted along the edges of the highway. Above the looted corpses of eighteen-wheelers (mostly food freighters, probably the end-result of canadian attempts at relief), smoke rose from buildings above the crest. Every so often, a curious soul would rise above that dirt barrier to see who was barreling down their highway, but would eventually drop back down.

>>2744352
I live in Winston-Salem.
In the classic projections bounced around during the cold war, NC would be totally wasted in an all out nuke exchange.
Bragg, Lejune, Seymor Johnson, Cherry Point, Wilmington(major harbor),Greensboro(major fuel center)Ralieh/Durham(RTP/Capitol)Charlotte(Major Population center)I-40/I-77(mountain passes into Tenn/VA).
That is the state from the ocean to the mountains, covered with direct hits.
IIRC, NC was targeted by approximately 10 to 15% of USSR total warheads.
Add in the damages from near by states VA/SC/TN with strategic targets of there own, fallout was projected to make all three states virtually uninhabitable.

>>2759653
Aaand I dunno where I'm goin' with this. Just got mad-max up ins. General idea is the same as "bandit kings" who rob trade lines/borders of other kingdoms (in this case interstate highways) and end up being able to provide a standard of living comparable or better than what most folks have. Robbin' food trucks is good business, you know. At least, until they stop coming.

Maybe I'll write about whatever community my Troy-vellers have set up on the US/canada border on lake Champlain. Though it's probably just some boring self-sufficient community, though I've hinted that the two upper-class guys have taken control of the operation, maybe acting as fiefs and controlling whatever goes on there.

FEUDALISM ABOUNDS!

>>2759702
Not bad. I could see that happening. I've spent time in upstate NY, and it's certainly more sparsely populated than the lower portion. With New Pentagon centered further south and national guard doing work elsewhere, that kind of highway robbery might go unnoticed, or at least undealt-with.

It also explains what happens to new yorker refugees who head up that way. They probably either settle down in Albany and it's environs (if it's still there; we've got conflicting information) or keep heading north and bump into these guys, and are either robbed or taken on, depending.

>>2759699

I knew about the military bases but not about stuff like Greensboro being a fuel center and so on. Interesting stuff.

>>2759367
>>2759463
>>2759653
>>2759702
>>2759793

I'm the guy who wrote up the New York City stuff. I would appreciate it if you guys managed to fill in the rest of the state, since you guys seem to know more about the Capital Region and such. I did mention that Fort Drum got hit, and another anon said that the Capital Region might be inundated by fallout from a nuclear meltdown in Osewgo, which is on the SW shore of Lake Ontario. With these two sources of fallout, I don't think northern New York is safe to settle in. Maybe you guys could weave this into your stories.

Also, I'm really surprised to see this still up. Nice work fa/tg/uys. We really get shit done.

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Can anyone contribute to this?

>>2760540

Yes, feel welcome to.

>>2748364
Don't believe this is going to happen.
Most of the swedish government fucking hate the russians, and alot of us are starting to get scared at the shit they always pull.

Other than that, I find it doubtful that the military would be reduced now, when its much more likely that more money will be spent on it.
I mean, with the russians this close to us, there is no way in hell the military will be seriously downgraded.

Before the nuclear exchange, the Project: Pegasus Oversight Committee consisted of:
-A former Vice President with close affiliation to several Fortune 500 companies
-Attorney General John Aberdine
-The Director of the FBI
-The Secretary of Defense
-The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
-The Secretary of the Treasury
-The Secretary of Homeland Security
-The Secretary of State
-The Chairman of the Federal Reserve

Being Cabinet level officials, most of these individuals died in the exchange before they could get to the secret facility at Mount Pony, Virginia. If more of them had survived perhaps the military would be at the beck and call of the Pegasus government right now. However the one-time VP and Attorney General Aberdine survived and began selecting replacements for those that were unaccounted for.

The Committee controls the FBI, Homeland Security (and thus both Immigration agencies and FEMA, who have another facility in Virginia, Mount Weather), and with Aberdine have reconstituted the civilian executive government and began reorganizing National Guard units he called upon with his executive privledge into a new military chain of command and forming new units with recruits (some volunteered, some drafted). Most of all, the Committee controls the National Program Office.

Under the command of General Betram Wayne (ret., three star), the NPO was created in the 80's to be a shadow government for the United States in case of nuclear war. Their entire existence have been top-secret and after the end of Reagan's presidency not even the President at any given time knew about them, only the Pegasus Committee. Their Mount Pony site is the backup for the Treasury and the Federal Reserve, holding billions in material wealth and the electronic funds and backup data to restart the US economy East of the Mississipi. The NPO had pull with the National Security Council through retired Marine Lt. Colonel Martin Cafferty, but he is unaccounted for. However his protegee and the NPO's action officer, Marine Lt. Colonel Terrence Main, is present and effectively acting as the troubleshooter and hatchetman for the Committee, outside of the new CGUS military structure supervised by Wayne and the Committee.

Instead Main is involved with the many private NPO facilities spread throughout the nation that have been hosting disaster relief, reconstruction, and paramilitary services manned by privately contracted former military personnel and civilian specialists. These "Sector Bases" were formed with help from the Trustees, a group of captains of industry, who helped set up the dummy corporations to set up these facilities. Trustees are most likely to be found sitting on stockpiles, protected by Sector Base paramilitaries or Private Military Contractors, the still operating companies of which are invariably working for Colonel Main, the Trustees, or the CGUSA (Civilian Government headed by President Aberdine) directly.

>>2762725
So it should be far more likely that we don't deal with the russians that much anymore, unless we absolutely have to.

Besides losing Cabinet level Department of Defense officials in the destruction of D.C. and other attacks, the Pegasus Committee's biggest suprise has been the survival of the known and targeted NORAD and alternate Pentagon facilities at Cheyenne Mountain and Raven Rock respectively. However the very inflated budgets the Pegasus black-book project had been skimming off of had been continuing to maintain and upgrade these hardened bunkers even after the end of the Cold War. This is how an unexpected complication kept the military chain of command and kept it out of the control of Pegasus' civilian government, forcing it to organize it's own new military, which delayed their plans considerably and gave the military time to get it's surviving ducks in order.

The Balkan Peninsula

Most of the countries here, lacking strategic resources and being on somewhat good terms with both Russia and the West, are left relatively unscathed. Nukes hit some of the Mediterranean naval bases to the south, and much of the population of the Balkan peninsula goes into the numerous mountains in search of safety and clean water sources. People turn to traditional values, strongly ingrained in the local populace. Self-sufficient, well-armed communes start forming, loosely united by a cadre of Orthodox priests, who serve as diplomats between the isolated settlements.

Some of the existing city centers are still a home to tens of thousands, and are strongly fortified to withstand raids from mountain tribes. There the remains of the army and government still persist.

>>2762774
Also, I don't want the idea about Sweden being that we become friends with fucking russia, of all things.

>>2762827
>I INSIST ON CONTINUING TO FIGHT MY GRANDPARENT'S WAR AGAINST A COUNTRY THAT'S CHANGED FLAGS WITHIN MY LIFETIME

>>2762827

Maybe we can reach some sort of agreement. Maybe the original statement, but without Russia? I mean Russia is probably worst off than the US, not better, and in little position to be helping anyone.

>>2762835
And are now attacking other countries and are way the fuck to close to my home.
If they were in, say, the place india is, I'd be happy.
Or, if they were where australia is now, I'd be fucking overjoyed.

They aren't.

They are here, and they have shown that they want to invade other countries.
I'm scared shitless of them, and want the army to expand so we can kill as many important russians as possible if they were to attack us.

Seems to be the only way to make sure they won't go after you.

>>2762840
I'm fine with this.
I agree with everything else, and I think its fucking awesome that we get to have the V setting.

If we get the movie thing, it will be insanely win.

Also, russia probably won't really matter anymore.
Isn't the Chinese screwing with them or something?

So, it's not just Finland. Sweden haet Russia too?

Changed it to leave out Russia and instead say rest of Scandinavia. That alright?

>>2762864
After the georgia shit, how could we not?
One of the main reasons I can still stand the current government is because of some comments that our ministers have given about russia.
Fuck yeah, Reinfeldt government.
Only some on the far left wing seem to want to defend russia here.
If you'd care to notice, Sweden is pretty much the only country in northern Europe that is stopping russia from getting that oil pipe through European water, in order to get Europe even more by the balls.

>>2762875
fine by me, anyway.
Don't really like that russia should have such a high place here, after the nukes went flying.

>>2762864
all right thinking individuals should harbour a deep distrust of russia, whatever its incarnation. think about it. this is a people who are happiest when the guy on top is a 'strong' man, which has culminated in the present situation of Putin's word being law.
Putin was an agent of a service at least as unpleasant as the nazi SS and he's a national leader?
No.
Heinrich Himmler didn't get his own country and nor should Dobby the Murdering House-Elf.

>>2762911
Which is why EU and USA needs to get over their differences and focus on keeping the russians the fuck out of the western world.

Preferably for a long, long time.

>>2762920
seconded
Hope whoever gets to be the leader in usa agrees with this.

>>2762920
well the problem is you can't let russian oil and uranium in and let russians out.

>>2762971
Isn't there supposed to be some mining in northern america or something?
If there is, I hope they find something so I can spit at russia.

This thread doesn't seem to bump anymore.
Anybody want to make a new thread?

>>2762995
i'm talking about yurop mah boooiii

>>2763005

Do we really need a new thread so soon? We have the wiki page. People can keep contributing. We can make another thread at some other point. If we just spam threads we'll keep getting the same people who are all used up and lose what content we do get to threads that die before someone can post the material to the wiki and before the threads can get archived so someone can post the material to the wiki.

I live in Tampa, Florida, myself, so I've always wondered how the city would react to a nuclear strike on MacDill Air Force Base. It's extremely likely during a nuclear war, being that it's the location of the Air Force and Special Operations central command headquarters.

Since the wiki is up, I'll do Tampa, and any other parts of Florida and the Caribbean not done already.

>>2762995
i'm talking about yurop mah boooiii

Madagascar goes into lockdown and lives on forever.

Should we keep or get rid of the joke pics someone put on the page?