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    511 KB Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:43 No.1788654  
    Dear /tg/,

    quick question:

    What's your favourite sci-fi astetic?

    post-apocalypse wastelands? spandex utopia? corporate ultra-modern? retro-futurism? industrial distopia? robots? mutants?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:44 No.1788663

    Did you mean ASS TECHNIC?!?!?!?!?!?!
    >> Concerned GARdian Valgaav 05/21/08(Wed)17:45 No.1788669
    >> parabolic000 !!HfL9M9xslOG 05/21/08(Wed)17:46 No.1788691
    my favorite æsthetic is simply humanity. the setting idn't important, aliens are great, but creatures need to behave in ways that are believable. anything else is just flavor.
    I prefer something like Wing Commander's future, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:48 No.1788712
    Why, she's rather... well-defined. Or is that one of those fancy bio-organic powered armors that mimics the human musculoskeletal system and can stop bullets with its extremely high density?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:49 No.1788724
    I don't think 'Humanity' is an aesthetic.
    >> Concerned Commander 05/21/08(Wed)17:50 No.1788736
    ASS thetic.

    >> hamster boy 05/21/08(Wed)17:51 No.1788739
    Thundarr the Barbarian will always have a soft spot in my heart. Post-apoc for the win.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:52 No.1788746
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    >Wing Commander

    >> Concerned Commander. Also, cocks. !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/21/08(Wed)17:53 No.1788758
    Oh god...

    Uh, this one's tough. I like 'em all, though, if the story's done right.

    Otherwise you have shit like Gundam Seed...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:55 No.1788770

    Hmm...well that implies more than just a single trope, like mutants. I've never been a huge fan of "Chrome and Spandex" or "Crystal Spires and White Togas" or "80's Retrocyber".

    I guess I favor something like this...

    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:55 No.1788777
    Star Trek.
    In before shitstorm.
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    >> Dungeon Crawl Adivsor !!JJrS9MjTUyO 05/21/08(Wed)17:58 No.1788803
    Honestly, I have to say the Kzin really... aren't all that furry. Sure, anthromorphic animals, but they seem to have their own non-sexual spin, thank the Emperor. Even when it does burn down to sex, it's just for offspring. That's it.
    >> Dunefag 05/21/08(Wed)17:58 No.1788805
    I like Dune.

    And, by extension, 40K.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:58 No.1788806
    Adam Warren's Dirty Pair.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:59 No.1788814
    Kzin? Those Kilrathi rip-offs? Weak.
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    Don't mention that abomination ever again on /tg/. Ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:59 No.1788818
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    This Dirty Pair?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)17:59 No.1788820
    All of them.

    I mean, sometimes I want some leather clad Conan heroism, then I want some cyberpunk, then I start lusting after high fantasy, then steampunk, then space opera...
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 05/21/08(Wed)18:00 No.1788822
    I tend to enjoy an environment that is clean-cut and high-powered. Guns everywhere and highly-skilled people behind revolutionary ideas. A world where humanity has scientific and technological superiority. A universe where humanity is the top of the food chain and works to stay that way.

    I tend to not like aliens as they tend to detract from the whole humanity ideal. That said, I wonder how long it takes before someone notes the irony.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:07 No.1788887
    >it's just for offspring. That's it
    So no fictional race that doesn't look completely human or like a human with a weird forehead is allowed to have sex for the sake of pleasure.


    Dolphins do it because they can, you know.
    >> d20modernfag 05/21/08(Wed)18:09 No.1788894
    Close call between corporate ultra-modern and industrial dystopia. One creates the other, y'see.

    Robots and mutants can be worked in. But it's really the overarching aesthetic that gets me: perfect corporate environs (non-threatening colors, striking logos, high security, perfectly manicured internal flora and fauna) meets rebel/mercenary assault (bullet holes in perfectly smooth walls, shattered floor tiles, glass, sparking wires, dead/burning flora and fauna).

    Must be why Dystopia the HL2 mod is so pretty in my opinion.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:09 No.1788895
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    ... I think I like that one too. Moar?

    But, really, this is the Dirty Pair I'm talking about.
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:11 No.1788908
    It does strike me as funny that the only way you can appreciate an alien race is if they live like monks. I think it says more for the insecurities about the person than anything. I mean, a person should be able to say "I like race X" and not feel like a complete pervert. It's entirely possible to insert sexuality or whatever and as long as you don't come off as a creepy fetishist I don't see how it's in any way wrong.

    BTW, EVERYTHING you care to name will attract the wrong sort of crowd eventually... just look at how many furries are Warhammer 40k fans. You probably COULD sterilize everything and make it monogendered, but furfags would find a way to ruin it regardless. Best just to ignore them, and get on with your own enjoyment.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:11 No.1788913
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:13 No.1788926
    I think part of the reason the ULTRAGRIMDARKNESS of 40k seems so ridiculous to me and others sometimes is primarily because they can't appreciate the coolness of something that, while outwardly looking like a paradise, is inwardly corrupt, tyrannical, depraved, what have you and etcetera. There's something to be said about an evil government that doesn't need to put skulls on spikes everywhere. Even at a kiddie swimming pool for fuck's sake.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:13 No.1788927
    >Explosive personality disorder tattooed on forehead

    Ripping off Snow Crash? Check!
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:15 No.1788937
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    Holy fucking shit how long has it taken people to say this




    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:16 No.1788950
    Except that tons of writers do that. Tyrannical governments with porcelain facades are a staple of cyberpunk and sci-fi.

    It's hard to find a dystopia that's as relentless as 40K.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:16 No.1788951
    That's because no one but you and emo 13 year olds like that shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:17 No.1788955
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:17 No.1788956
    Because that shit's been done to death, by good writers and hacks alike. Having something so joyfully GRIMDARK that it puts skulls on kiddie pools is actually refreshing after most of the EmpireWithADarkSecret-spam bullshit of generic SF.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:18 No.1788960
    Wrong board, cocksucker.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:18 No.1788963
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:19 No.1788968
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:20 No.1788974
    If you just slagged off Bloodquest, Cloten is gonna have to chainsaw a bitch.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:23 No.1788991
    Nope, sorry. Grimdark is shit.
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:25 No.1789000
    spandex utopia all the way. gotta love the old TV shows and movies about the future, logans run in particular. a world where you can teleport whores into your room through your tv and everyone dies at 30, thats the life for me.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:26 No.1789006
    Not GRIMNDARK enuff
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    Hey, any Germfags still remember this?
    I still listen to the OP music...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:29 No.1789019
    What began as a conflict over the transfer of conciousness from flesh to machines escalated into a war which has decimated a million worlds. The Core and the Arm have all but exhausted the resources of a galaxy in their struggle for domination. Both sides, now crippled beyong repair, the remnants of their armies continue to battle on ravaged planets, their hatred fueled by over four thousand years of total war.
    This is a fight to the death.
    For each side the only acceptable outcome is the total annihilation of the other.

    GRIMDARKER than your pussy emo Empurror will ever be.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:30 No.1789025

    A war that has decimated a million worlds?

    Human minds transferred to machine, thus sparking a war agaist those who disagreed with the principle. They had to transfer their soldiers to machines to keep the war going.

    One thousand years of total and utter warfare.

    Entire existences dedicated to war.

    Grim darkest of them all, hail Total Annihilation my secret king.
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    'nuff said
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:36 No.1789052
    in GRIMDARK, chaos will win. it is the stuff of man, the only way to kill it is for mankind to kill itself.
    it is a neverending world of pain, suffering and despair. to live in this time is to be one amongst untold billions. to live in a weakened gene-pool, where enemys knock at every door to eat you, tear out your guts, devourer your soul, or just smack you for the sake of it.
    it is a world without compasion, where one good turn will lead to your death. a world where mankinds only hope is the death of its saviour, a world where mankind will die. period.

    all that keeps the common man going is that if he must die, he will die for the emperor!

    in the GRIM DARKNESS of the GRIM DARKNESS there is only GRIM DARKNESS!!!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:37 No.1789064
    15,000 years of total war in the 41st millenium
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:37 No.1789065
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:38 No.1789072
    Depends on my mood. For instance, I enjoy the frantic, drug-crazed euphoria of Paranoia once in a while. I'm more into the spandex utopian society if there's a chance that it will soon be overthrown by the unwashed heathens who know The Truth About It All.
    But mostly I'm into the retrograde, brushed steel look reminiscent of Douglas Adams.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:39 No.1789080

    I like a bunch of self sustaining ships loaded with small numbers of people, cyborgs, mutants, aliens or whatever flying around a silent universe with one or two populated planets every 500LYs. That planets can be anything.

    It's sort of like Red dwarf or lexx.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:40 No.1789088

    Total Annihilation is cold, empty and dark.

    Warhammer 40000 is excessive, explosive and dark.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:41 No.1789092
    the future world of red dwarf. where the last man alive is stuck on a ship five miles long with his dead bunk-mate, a toilet cleaning android, a lifeform desended from his cat, and a computer with an IQ of six driving.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:43 No.1789106
    Post-apoc ashy wastelands with city ruins and bigass killing machines stalking around in hopes of carnage + some human/alien/whatever survivors.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:44 No.1789113
    Emo shit.
    In TA, there IS NO HUMANITY.
    There are minds than have been transferred into machines thousands of years ago and have been copied millions of times into war machines which are destroyed by their thousands. The rebel ARM, which once fought for 'humanity', clones brains, implants them with combat tactics and sends them to war the same way CORE does.
    In your 'grimdark' Wallhammel there are hundreds of worlds that don't even KNOW war, there are democracies, happy parents, children and HOPE. Chaos and other factions may one day defeat mankind, but there IS HOPE (star child and all that shit).
    In Total Annihilation humanity is already lost, with machines fighting a pointless war, mechanically, without any plans for what should come afterwards, any dreams, any hope.

    Ultimate dehumanized future. ULTIMATE GRIMDARK.
    Walhammel doesn't even fucking come close to this.
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    >Post-apoc ashy wastelands
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    Erm *cough* *cough*
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:47 No.1789131
    Back to /v/, fag.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:48 No.1789137
    gb2/basement/, neckbeard.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:49 No.1789143
    What if his computer is in the basement>
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:49 No.1789147
    Just as GRIM DARK as being consumed by eternal war against Nids, Necrons, Chaos raiders, Deldar, cultists, Daemons, Orks, rebels. The fear of being attacked or conscripted. The Inquisition is GRIM DARK level greater than TA
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:52 No.1789157
    Half the fucking humans in the Imperium don't even know the nids orks or whatever other shit even exists.
    Also, those are enemies you can at least fight against. You can hope to win. Even to become a hero.
    In TA there are only soulless machines. You simply can't beat that.
    >> !Ep8pui8Vw2 !moot/UIi/o 05/21/08(Wed)18:53 No.1789163


    I prefer something along the lines of the Culture/Night's Dawn stuff.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:53 No.1789164

    GRIMDARK has no hope, thats the whole point of it. chaos will win, because it is an aspect of human nature...how can mankind fight itself? only the illuminati, but thats only maybe 0.001% at best.
    the best hope is Ynnead, but that only kills Slannesh...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:56 No.1789174
    Hell no.
    Necrons are silly UNDEADS IN SPAAACE! serving some stupid excuses for gods.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:56 No.1789175
    Worst thing that can happen to you in 40k: OH GOD WHAT THE TENTACLES THE RAZORS THE EYES ARGH
    Worst thing that can happen to you in TA: Pointless death.

    Best thing that can happen to you in 40k: Happiness, prosperity, joy, family that loves you, no inquisitors sniffing around.
    Best thing that can happen to you in TA: Pointless death.

    They're both superfuckinggrimdark in different ways.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:57 No.1789177
    Is a universe inhabited solely by machines grim and dark, or simply sterile? It seems to me you need the human element, and its reaction to the universe, to have emotional responses such as "grim" and "dark". $0.02.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:57 No.1789179
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:58 No.1789184
    The PEOPLE of the Imperium have hope, did you even fucking read anything I said
    Ah, but TA is grimdarker in a superior way.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:58 No.1789185
    most people are idiots. in the imperial infantrymans uplifteing primer, it describes genestealers as only a few feet tall with blunt, puny claws. most people know anout orks and nids, they just know what they've been told
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:00 No.1789194
    From a human, emotional point of view, inhumanity is the grimdarkest thing possible.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:01 No.1789202
    Here's the thing with TA: It is the endstate of GRIMDARK. The destruction of all that is good anywhere has come to pass, and all that's left is to destroy the destroyers.

    On the other hand, 40k GRIMDARK is easier to comprehend, because there are still people, there are still reasons to live, there are still things worth fighting for. There is, however slight, a chance for a victory that will preserve the human/eldar/tau way of life.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:02 No.1789207
    hmmm...your point is well seen.

    but what is inhumane to one person differs from what is inhumane to another. some people think eating meat is inhumane. other people, well, they browse /b/...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:02 No.1789209
    Industrial Revolution era/Steam Punk.

    People forget that Jules Verne was Sci Fi, Frankenstein was Sci Fi/Horror.

    Basically any Sci Fi not set in the "future" or where the ~time~ is irrelevant.

    Something with guns & magic = yum
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    I love them both (and hence have a fiery, passionate hatred of Starcraft unmatched in love or war). TA is intellectually no-fucking-hope-ever GRIMDARK, where 40k is explicitly skulls-n-flames GRIMDARK.

    There doesn't have to be a conflict here. We neckbeards should love and respect the various forms of GRIMDARK equally.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:03 No.1789217
    Except no. There's nothing in the TA fluff that says that people have to be unhappy. Once Core wins, there's no reason that they can't boot up the old civilian minds that they've been storing for millennia. Once Arm wins, there's no reason that they can't go back into their genetic libraries and re-clone a big batch of citizens to repopulate Empyrrean and Thalassean.

    Whereas, even if the Imperium managed to get its act together and clear out the Tau, the Orks, the Eldar, the Necrons, the CSM, etc., there'd still be the Warp demons, and there'd still be the crushing weight of its own bureaucracy.
    >> !Ep8pui8Vw2 !moot/UIi/o 05/21/08(Wed)19:03 No.1789223
    What, a race becoming extinct after downloading their minds into immortal killing machines hellbent on completely destroying their enemies? TA is the first Necron video game.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:06 No.1789240

    >There doesn't have to be a conflict here. We neckbeards should love and respect the various forms of GRIMDARK equally.

    in the GRIM DARKNESS of /tg/, there can be only war.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:06 No.1789242
    >Both sides now crippled beyong repair, the remnants of their armies continue to battle on ravaged planets, their hatred fueled by over four thousand years of total war.

    Aren't you paying attention? TA is beyond hope. There are no civilians any more. Every Core civilian pattern has been given a military purpose (every Arm clone was a soldier to begin with) Both civilisations are aware of, capable of, nothing but a mindless hatred for the other.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:08 No.1789257
    I'm archiving this shit. Love how /tg/ can actually be civil when TA and 40k come up.

    (inb4 forty-post chain of "FAG" "NO U")
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:10 No.1789268

    TA's plot was something that a bunch of guys came up with to explain a PC game. Sure it was very good, and the modding community made it even better, but I really didn't ever give two shits about CORE or ARM. Sure it was "dark", but it was grim, without humanity then there is NO SUFFERING, they are robots. They don't scream in agony when they die, they just 'splode.

    GRIMDARK's narrative is sustained through countless novels, comics and game related material. It's much more interesting, in depth and totally about the suffering.

    A universe in which demons can possess your very soul is darker than a universe where some robots fight for ever.

    It's the equivalent of Rock'em'Sock'em Robots fighting over a galaxy. No blood - No Pain - No grimness.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:10 No.1789273
    >skulls-n-flames GRIMDARK
    Which is the problem.
    It's so over the top it becomes silly again. Flying cathedrals with hundreds of slaves positioning spaceship guns? Come on!

    I believe TA is darker because it's actually believeable. Cloning? Changing our bodies for robotic ones? Becoming machines ourselves? Starting a war over ideology and then continuing it just because "there's always been war?".
    Only too possible. Too human.
    THAT'S why TA can actually really make you pause and think. Warhammer doesn't.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:12 No.1789281

    WASN'T grim rather. Ah... I'm at a loss without EDIT
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:13 No.1789288
    in 40k, the elves got so kinky they blew a hole in reality and gave birth to a dark god.
    now thats not really grim or dark, but i like it
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:13 No.1789289
    >A universe in which demons can possess your very soul is darker than a universe where some robots fight for ever.

    IN WH, demons *may* possess your soul.
    In TA, you never even had one.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:14 No.1789294
    >Starting a war over ideology and then continuing it just because "there's always been war?".
    Actually, 40k has that out the ass too...

    Exactly. Different forms of grimdark appeal to different neckbeards. I personally prefer the skulls and screaming faces nailed to everything gothic-horror brand, but I can see where TAfags are coming from.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:14 No.1789297
    The problem is you're comparing the GRIMDARK quotient of the Humanity/Chaos dichotomy to either ARM alone or CORE alone. That's not what we're concerned with here: We're talking about the collective GRIMDARK of the 40k-verse as compared with the TA-verse.

    Any given component may be GRIMDARKER than another, sure. But that doesn't tell us about the totality of the GRIMDARK.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:16 No.1789308
    >>No Pain - No grimness.

    clearly you missed the mission where a bunch of peewees got their nerves turned back on and then BURNED ALIVE GODDAMN FUCKING PYROS
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    PS. I'm gonna keep posting it until you've all played it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:17 No.1789315
    id like to reference conan the barbarian, if i may;

    'before i believed in the power of steel, now i believe in the power of flesh'

    robots? its been done to death. ships full of thousands of gally-slaves, all serving for a chance of redemption in the eyes of their god-emperor? intresting, original, and most of all it gives weight to the character of the 40k universe being one where a single humans life (or suffering, or happyness) is utterly meaningless.

    looking in and trying to imagine your life in those terms, brings you into the world. robots? you cant empethys with robots
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    Futuristic Sexy.

    I want everything to be shiny and with plentiful curves and bright fluorescent lights: guns, vehicles, buildings, women. I want the future to be as cool as we thought it would be in the early 90's.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:19 No.1789333
    And 40k's plot was something a bunch of guys came up with to explain a wargame.

    But never mind that. The 'not giving a shit' is exactly the point. You're not supposed to care about the robots; the fact that they were once human is the source of the GRIMDARK factor. Once human, and now nothing but killing machines.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:19 No.1789334

    "In TA, you never even had one"

    Ignorance is bliss. Ergo, if I never had a soul, never existed, I wouldn't be in any pain.

    If however I was sacrificed via a giant penis headed Slaanesh beast and mind raped for all eternity .... wow, gnarly.

    If you lose humanity you lose the vital connection with the story that makes it engaging. I can't engage with Robots, they're ROBOTS.

    It sounds to me that the TA universe doesn't have pain, or any kinds of emotions. Perhaps it isn't a bad place at all. Nothingness is too large a concept to entertain me in a PC game.

    But I can understand positions for TA.. I just think that you have to understand that 40k has a deeper depth of narrative.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:20 No.1789344
    I don't mind the "glorious last stand" thing going on with 40k, but at the same time, the spacecraft of the Imperium look fucking stupid, which is why my RT fleet for BFG will be proxied out the ass with old Star Blazers minis.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:22 No.1789352
    lostech mechs, battletech.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:22 No.1789355
    Oh yeah. 40k has a much broader scope for nasty and many, many, many more ways of dying a horrible, futile death than TA. It also has real humans and angst and stuff.

    TA is just... hopelessness, bottomless hopelessness, where there can never be anything but war and death. That speaks to me more than space elf ninja death clowns killing people with the power of interpretive dance.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:22 No.1789356
    i guess its just taste. i personaly fuckin love the imperiam ships in BFG, the box art of that game made me get into GRIMDARK in the first place. but the imperial jetbike is a step to far if you ask me...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:24 No.1789367
    Now that this turned into a GRIMDARK cockssize competition: Imagine all suns in the universe burned out.

    Now what?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:24 No.1789371
    LMAO at the harlie description. death jesters kick ass tho, they have CANNONS that shoot NINJA THROWING STARS coated in BIO EXPLOSIVE AMMO that makes the target EXPLODE and makes people hit by the gore EXPLODE as well.
    you cant spell manslaughter without laughter
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:24 No.1789372
    >you cant empethys with robots
    That's why I'm saying TA is grimdarker than WH for Christ's sake.
    Those robots are what's LEFT of humanity in TA!
    There is nothing truly grimdarker than total and complete dehumanisation.
    You say WH is 'interesting'? Well it SHOULDN'T be. True grimdark should touch your very soul. It should actually make you think, in real life.
    WH is skulls, fires and overblown caricatures of monsters/bad guys from b class movies. Fun and amusing. But not TRULY dark.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:25 No.1789374

    ... Clearly! I don't remember that mission, but tbh I played the game sparsely and enjoyed that 4hour+ multiplayer games with the mods more.

    But burning alive? That's something the Imperium do to you for THINKING funny..


    Er sure.. but more guys, for longer, with better results IMHO! I get what you mean, that they were once human, now nothing but killing machines..

    but can I say Chaos Space Marines? Possessed? Exactly the same thing, in a universe which has real people to be killed by them.

    Whats worse, watching two soulless, once human, machines try to destroy one another, or throwing a few human children in their - letting the machines do what they will to them, and watching as others ignore it?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:25 No.1789379
    Er. That's what TA's like.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:26 No.1789382
    you didnt take physics in high school, did you?
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:27 No.1789399
    Holy shit, is that GitS Skeksis!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:27 No.1789400
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000 is your friend for instant funny 40k description. Also fuckawesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:30 No.1789416
    Vote it up, this is too good to lose.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:30 No.1789421
    What do you imply?
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    So, let me get this straight: TA, roughly, is Cybermen vs. Daleks in a universe where they've killed everything else?


    What do the cheerleaders look like?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:31 No.1789431
    CSM are possessed.
    TA did it voluntarily.


    Here's the point I've been trying to make, and it's a lot like what other anonymice have been trying to make: They're grimdark in different ways. TA is what happens when you run the GRIMDARK experiment to its conclusion. Everything that made humanity meaningful is gone. 40k is the GRIMDARK experiment on the way down. It may touch you more emotionally, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily worse. Just easier to relate to and understand.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:32 No.1789434

    Any yet in your funny criticism, you make me like 40k even more!


    Agreed! 40k is outlandish, ridiculous and over the top - but it caters to everyone, all tastes.


    "There is nothing truly grimdarker than total and complete dehumanisation"

    I agree, and 40k has that, just with other regular humans around too. This is what I'm trying to say, without someone I can identify with in "danger" then I won't care.

    Not caring = depressing emo situation. Trying to save peoples lives otherwise they will be raped, turned inside out and worn as "protection" for the next victim = .. Awesome?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:33 No.1789440
    you cant make that point about 40k being over the top...if it was normal people, you;d get bored. imagine if John McClane was an ordinary guy. boring.

    on the other hand, The Terminator is a great film because of the robots lack of humanity. T2 fucked it up by having him asking, 'whats wrong with your eyes?', but the original is a good example for what im going on about. why is it a good movie? because arnie is chasing humans. a human soldier and his CO's mother, thats the human part. if it was arnie chasing another robot, boring film. thats why in T2, they had the T1000 as an emotionless robot, and arnie as the human.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:33 No.1789451
    Don't get me wrong, some of the FUCKHUGEHUGEHUGE ships of the Imperium look damn nifty, but they don't all have to be ORNATE SPACE RAPETHEDRALS MENACING WITH SPIKES OF VOLCANO CANNON. The Imperium needs a few cap ships that at least look different.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:34 No.1789454
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:35 No.1789462
    >Weren't you paying attention?

    Weren't you? I wasn't saying civilians were still around. I was saying they would re-boot/clone a new generations of civilians.
    Read b4 posting, dumbfuck.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:35 No.1789464
    Love how this turned into a "40k is best" wankfest. I really do.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:35 No.1789466
    in an infinite universe, with infinite stars, its immpossible for them all to burn out. also, when a star burns out it explodes (normally), into a dust cloud that then forms a new star and star system.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:36 No.1789470

    She's kinda built like a brick shithouse. What side does she cheer for?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:37 No.1789481
    'Her' name is Jethro.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:37 No.1789487
    All people that are well-developed and fit are homosexuals--you know this, man.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:38 No.1789489
    If you haven't noticed, I haven't said anything about k other than the Imperium needs different looking ships. Maybe a space barn with some guns hanging from it?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:38 No.1789492
    So she's unfortunately named because her parents were hippies. What of it?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:38 No.1789493
    imperial ships, tanks, guns, even bulets anre all in reverence and worship to His Holyness the God Emperor. thats what gives them their power against chaos. they HAVE to be cathedrials, or else the crews all go ape-shit and start sex cults or something. there was some fluff about a ship design that actualy made its crews turn to chaos in the BFG book...dont have it to hand right now tho.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:38 No.1789494
    Arm "Jethro" anti-air kbot. Tech 1, about the size of a carnifex, fires homing missiles.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:39 No.1789502

    There is plenty of voluntary possession in 40k.. and involuntary. And I get what you mean perfectly, and I understand that some people find different things "darker".

    You find the quiet madness at the end of everything the darkest thing, I find the bitter indifference ignorance and deceit in the hearts of all men and the futility of humanity the darker.

    But mostly, I'd say anything with supernatural elements is darker for me, because to me it's more believable and engaging.

    I mean it's easier to look at a serial killer and then a 40k character and go "yeah, that shit actually happens" than at TA and comprehend it.

    But to each his own! GRIMDARK all round!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:40 No.1789505
    >about the size of a carnifex
    It's a power-suit, same size as the pee-wees.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:40 No.1789506
    I don't know what they told you in high school, but how big the universe is doesn't matter - its mass isn't. Either its mass collapses into a centre or it falls apart due to entropy. Also, black holes.
    >> Schrödinger's Monster!! !A1j/vqM3nA 05/21/08(Wed)19:40 No.1789507
    Fucking PARANOIA, assholes!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:40 No.1789509
    Huh? >>1789494 said it was a cheerleader. It's not a cheerleader, and it doesn't cheer for either the cybermen or the daleks?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:41 No.1789513

    These anon, they speak the gospel truth.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:41 No.1789514
    Harhar. I'm not saying that the ships shouldn't be able to be described as "filled with churches", but the exteriors could use some work. Aside from the prepainted AIDS that WOTC puts out, are there any other good lines of miniature spacecraft suitable for BFG?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:42 No.1789518
    >about the size of a carnifex

    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:43 No.1789527
    Which is also about the size of a carnifex. TA shit is big.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:44 No.1789534
    im aware of pulsars and giants and dwarfs and all that, but the point i was making was that the universe has a cycle like all things and as old stars die they give birth to new ones. its like having a lawn and not watering it. the grass will die yes, but the rotting matter will form new soil for new grass.
    as for black holes, if your trying to explain the nature of a singularity and its effects on the universe as a hole, i think you better take a few years of work. just trying to think of the mass of photons and what they are makes my head hurt...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:44 No.1789539
    Well, if by "cheerleader" you mean "engine of destruction", and if by "cheers for" you mean "fires homing missiles at", she's cheering for the Core.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:45 No.1789543

    Surely you could just play Eldar for different ships?

    INB4 Space Elves
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:45 No.1789545
    Legend of the Galactic Heroes

    They pop up on ebay from time to time
    >> Core Commander 05/21/08(Wed)19:45 No.1789546
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    Until I D-gun it! Rar!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:46 No.1789548
    Retro Futurism
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:46 No.1789551
    Makes me wonder how big the Krogoth would be.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:47 No.1789556
    >Don't get me wrong, some of the FUCKHUGEHUGEHUGE ships of the Imperium look damn nifty, but they don't all have to be ORNATE SPACE RAPETHEDRALS MENACING WITH SPIKES OF VOLCANO CANNON. The Imperium needs a few cap ships that at least look different.

    I don't think you're quite approaching the WH40K universe from the right angle. It's entire point is to be over the top and ridiculous.

    It's a work of satire or even parody, something that certain fans of it would be better off keeping in mind. Just look at the fucking Orks for god's sake and tell me if anything in WH40K can be thought of as not a gag anymore.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:47 No.1789568
    This is the truth. Remember it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:48 No.1789569
    id like to quote good morning vietnam if i may;

    'why all this green? you go into the jungle and i cant see you! if your going to fight, clash!!'
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:48 No.1789570
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    Reaver Titan or so. There's not that much variety in the size of TA units.

    Unless you have one of the mods which makes Krogs fuckhuge. Those are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:48 No.1789574

    Also, let me second the poster above who said that this promising thread had been shitwrecked by the fucking fantard argument about whose universe is the most hopeless.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:49 No.1789578
    a hopless argument about hoplessness? is that a paradox?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:51 No.1789592
    "What began as a conflict over the transfer of grimdark from /v/ to /tg/ has escalated into a discussion that has decimated an entire thread..."
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:51 No.1789593
    yes, back on topic, id like to state again my love of the logans run universe.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:51 No.1789595
    That's what discussions are for, stupid.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:53 No.1789600

    What, turning into retarded fanboy masturbation? No, I don't think conversations exist for that purpose.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:53 No.1789601

    The irony being, if you had actually fucking posted something interesting, I would have read it. Something like;

    "Oh I like a sci fi setting akin to a book by ..... called ......, it's very interesting. In fact there is a part in which..."

    Whoever instead of putting the thread back "on track" you just complain. GTFO
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:53 No.1789606
    just be glad the convo was made self aware before Godwins Law kicked in
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:53 No.1789607
    Well I kinda like the idea of Lost Planets had, but darker. In the near future, Earth is vastly overcrowded (100+Billion) and as a result Humans start to colonize other worlds. Terraforming technology is still in the infancy, so all the Off World colonies fail. Except for one, an Icy planet that is just barely habitable. Earth somehow starts WWIII and destroys it.

    4 million-ish humans still live, as they settle on the icy world. Everything is "ok" as it can get on the ice world, however Human activity has awakened or attracted the Apex Predators. Animals that generate their own energy, and began to hunt humans.

    Humans have regressed a bit technology wise from the height of human technological achievement, however still higher technological wise than we are today. So the remaining humans fight to survive against Dinosaur sized creatures in an environment hostile to human life.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:54 No.1789611

    The book, or the movie? Substantial differences. Love both. The movie was just spoiled mid-20somethings living in a shopping mall and getting laid in the comfort of their own homes. The book, you die at age 21, and it's the entire world.

    Furthermore, some of the best commentary I've ever heard was on the DVD.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:55 No.1789616
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:55 No.1789617
    wherever zombies is
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:55 No.1789622
    100 meters based on fluff.
    15 meters based on in-game model.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:56 No.1789625

    > The book, or the movie? Substantial differences. Love both. The movie was just spoiled mid-20somethings living in a shopping mall and getting laid in the comfort of their own homes. The book, you die at age 21, and it's the entire world.

    saw the film at age 13...guess what one i liked more
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:56 No.1789626
    You're right about the black holes.. who knows what they're doing. But a star turning into one can't be very good and you still have to face entropy or mass collapsing in the long run. And yes it makes my head bleed to even think of this.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:57 No.1789629

    Why bother? The thread's unsalvageable by now. Much like the fucking TA universe THIS IS SOME META SHIT RIGHT HERE.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:58 No.1789636

    The movie's prettier, but leaves out a lot of cool stuff from the book. The arctic prison, the underwater farm Molly, the Thinker maze, and the whole Ballard subplot.

    That being said, the movie has a campy quality that makes it irresistible, kind of like Flash Gordon.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:58 No.1789638

    Totally agree. Sexy, strange, tempting yet ultimately kinda terrifying.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:58 No.1789640
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:00 No.1789650
    whenever i get confused, i like to quote stephen hawking...
    'what happened before the big bang? it doesnt matter.'
    it doesnt matter really what heppens when everyone on earth, and the memory of them, will be loooooooong gone before it ever happens. just sit back, pop the lid on a bottle of pepsi max, and keep posting.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:01 No.1789659
    So you're just gonna hold your comment until somebody makes this exact same thread in a couple days?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:01 No.1789662
    oh GOD dont get me started on how much i fucking love flash gordon. anything with brian blessed is pure GOLD as far as im concerned
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:01 No.1789665
    Gotta be Firefly!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:05 No.1789691
    Dispatch War Rocket Ajax.
    Charge the boosters.
    Prepare to electrify cloud.
    Prepare sky nets to catch
    Gordon's body. Fire capacitators.

    Consider yourself started.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:06 No.1789695
    anyone remember farscape? watched that religiously when it was on. kinda got the feeling it didnt take itself too seriously at times, which is good...alright, they wore the black trench coats (which are way to overused these days), but it was still fun.
    not like the new doctor who, which has gone to far if you ask me. before it was camp, now its just silly...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:09 No.1789701

    Man that was a fun show xD
    I've got the first series on DVD. It didnt take itself too seriously, which was the beauty of it.
    It starts gettin weird near the end of the first series though...with that mind-torture device. Fun tho, with the dude and his metal-face.

    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:09 No.1789702
    dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun,
    FLASH! - a-ah - saviour of the universe
    FLASH! - a-ah - he'll save everyone of us
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    FLASH! - a-ah - he's a miracle
    FLASH! - a-ah - king of the impossible

    He's for everyone of us
    Stand for everyone of us
    He'll save with a mighty hand
    Every man every woman
    Every child - with a mighty flash

    FLASH! - a-ah
    FLASH! - a-ah - he'll save everyone of us

    Just a man
    With a man's courage
    He knows nothing but a man
    But he can never fail
    No one but the pure in heart
    May find the golden grail
    Oh oh - oh oh
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:11 No.1789710
    seen the movie? the peacekeeper wars i think it was called...man, what an ending...tragic death man...oh no, i promiced myself i wouldnt cry...

    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:18 No.1789748
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:22 No.1789771
    sci-fi can never take itself to seriously unless it has something to say.

    Dune is a great example. it wasnt just a bunch of lighsaber fights strung together to sell toys, it had a story, a theme, and a fat gay pedophile.

    The Matrix, as another example, started out with something to say, but in the end just repeated itself three times as trench coat sales went through the roof...

    Star Wars; The Prequals are the third kind, made partly for the spectical, mostly for the money. Good if your young, not if you old enough to remember the originals.

    Then you get ones like FF:The Spirits Within which if you ask me, is art. Not really much of a theme, nor much merchandice sold of the back of it, but what people remember is what it looked like. why make it? because you can.

    Finaly, and unfortiontly, you have the Hitchhikers movie...i'll just say this. they made Ford Prefect, Mos Def. now, ive got nothing against the guy, but Ford Prefect was a white, ginger guy.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:23 No.1789775
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:24 No.1789781
    do androids dream of electric sheep...that book fucked me up as a kid reading it. the chapter with the droids and the spider messed with my head, guess it proved i had empathy tho. nice vision of the future too, a world where pets are status symbols and bin men are millionares
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:24 No.1789784
    There is no point in complaining about changes made to a series the creator intentionally changed every time it went to a new medium.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:32 No.1789834
    true, but the characters where always the same. zaphod always had two heads, arther always drank tea...maybe just because im ginger myself, i see anti-ginger sentiment wherever i go.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:39 No.1789875
    wtf is with the niggra lips in this pic?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:42 No.1789893
    Adam Warren is what's with the Nigra Lips.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:44 No.1789906

    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:47 No.1789916
    >true, but the characters where always the same. zaphod always had two heads, arther always drank tea...maybe just because im ginger myself, i see anti-ginger sentiment wherever i go.
    >maybe just because im ginger myself, i see anti-ginger sentiment wherever i go.
    >maybe just because im ginger myself
    >im ginger myself
    >im ginger

    Get out.
    >> fave kind of sci-fi Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)22:00 No.1790305
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    Apocalyptic, Lovecraft-inspired, mecha action, ground pounder war story, mixed with street-level occult investigation and espionage.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:05 No.1792303
    last chancer's bump
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:24 No.1792411
    My all-time favourite is the Babylon 5 space opera aesthetic. I just love the human ships (Starfuries especially), the black telepath uniforms with the gloves, the ridiculousness of the Centauri being basically Space Napoleonic France, et cetera.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:26 No.1792424
    I prefer them believable...character believability is a must in any context, but I find it works best when aesthetics are mixed.

    You can have all the nanotechnology and fuck-whatever-else you want, but people are still going to use sidewalks to stumble home from bars where they drink alcohol. And stuff is expensive--not everyone has a nuclear toaster. Some folks are still going to be plugging things in. Etcetera.

    Excise life from the 90's and surround it with combat from the year 10,000 plus, and you have a winner.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:27 No.1792429
    are you one of the cthulhutech guys?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:36 No.1792508
    Gona go with a perfect future sort of thing. I've always liked the idea of humans finally putting away there differences, looking up to the stars, and saying "Hey. Lets go see whats over there." and all just becoming space explorers.
    Out amongst the great void of space, you'd find them, all some trillion of them, aboard ships of various sizes, just plying the space lanes, seeking out new worlds, and exploring them.
    Perhaps finding lowtech civilizations, scoffing at them, and then moving on, adding the planet to a catalog the explorers would begin to form, perhaps leaving a beacon in system to show that it's already been explored.
    And then, every 1,000 or so years, they would return to earth, share information and technologys, and then go out again to explore once more.
    I guess I get all this from my own sense of wanderlust, but really, this concept speaks to me. I just really enjoy sci-fi that centers on exploration of uncharted worlds.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:38 No.1792525
    That would be a utopian society, by the way. Never got the hang of writing for utopias.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:42 No.1792573

    I like the future universe offered by the Strugatski brothers. It's a utopia, but with a lot of psychological tension and conflict. And the sardonic, Murphy's Law-embracing universe of Stanislaw Lem. Its humanity and clear-sightedness appeals to me much more than anything GRIMANDARK, which too often seems like tiresome adolescent fantasy. Also, Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space is probably the future I'd prefer to live in, despite all the shit that happens to humanity in there.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:42 No.1792584
    I suppose so.
    I've never been one to believe storys have to always be about conflict. Or that self-destruction is human nature.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:45 No.1792621
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:49 No.1792651
    I like one where while the corporations have their own private armies and fight each other while the banks secretly laugh to themselves, because THEY are the ones with all the real money. and so the banks let the corps. fight each other, and when one falls, they collect more from it then any of the corps. do from their own shit. when some rich guy wants to start his own, the banks give him the money needed to start so they can collect all the money they know they will get later. meanwhile the Governments secretly pretend to be weak before the Corps. To give them a sense of power. But the truth is, the Government runs and staffs the banks.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:54 No.1792704
    Space opera.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)06:04 No.1793196
    Both sides now crippled beyond repair, the remnants of their neckbeards continue to battle on ravaged threads, their hatred fuelled by one night of total derailment.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)09:12 No.1793851

    Odd-looking surfaces and lights, tech that screams power by its design, upgraded people.

    As for GRIMDARK: I rather like Greg Bear's _Hardfought_ and Harlan Ellison's _I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream_.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)09:17 No.1793867
    You know, ARM cloned human warriors to keep up the numbers, these cloned humans operated the warmachines, they didn't clone brains and stuff them into machines.

    CORE copied patterns, computerized minds( of warriors ), and had uploaded to their warmachines.

    both sides have civilians, CORE was pretty much the internet, with people all downloaded into it.

    ARM was civilians walking around on worlds.

    >> Parasite !0IWTTbo3jA 05/22/08(Thu)09:23 No.1793887
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    Gunnm universe. No magic/force or other supernatural bullshit for me. (Yeah, I know LO tends to become more and more "magic", but still most of it is OK)
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    >No magic/force

    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)09:32 No.1793933

    All you need is flan.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)09:32 No.1793937
    Mine would have to be post-apocolyptic forgotton? To give a crude example FF10, in how technology is scavanged, yet everything about the past civilisation has been forgotton/is myth.
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    I love the Gunnm universe. So delightfully grim and dark.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:01 No.1794035
    Hard Sci-Fi.

    Lemme say that again. HARD. FUCKING. SCIFI.

    A. Reynolds is good, and reasonably hard,m but he's the low end. Peter "Motherfucking" Watts is my current favourite.

    And I like stories set in deep, deep space, in the sort of ships where gravity is provided by the thrust of the engine and it's going to take decades or centuries or longer to get where you're going. This meshes well with the changes in humanity wrought by rampant technology. Oh, so you live forever? Well let's hope so, cause it's gonna be four milennia before you see another human face...
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:04 No.1794045
    ...and now, some copypasta.

    ***Job Security***
    We can't go home again. I already said that, didn't I?

    It's true enough, most of the time. They told us going in: you will be lost in time and space. You'll be past the point of no return long before your first gig even begins. You will wake up serving people centuries dead and lightyears distant, with no hope of backup or relief.

    Expect nothing, they said. We don't know what we'll be in a thousand years, or a million. We might bomb ourselves back into the Stone Age a decade from now. We're like that. But don't lose hope: we're like this too, we reach for the stars, we can fall into savagery overnight but we'll have millennia to climb back up before you check in on us again. Maybe one time you'll build a gate and nothing will come through, but the time after that you'll release angels. You never know.

    Isn't that the fun part, though? Finding out?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:05 No.1794047
    We can't really find out. We don't dare stop long enough to get a good look. Eriophora's huge after all, she is fucking massive, she carries the weight of mountains in her cold black heart. No, it's not optional: that speck of squashed matter is what's kept us falling all these millions of years. But try maneuvering with that kind of mass. Ery flies like an eagle over interstellar distances but she steers like a pig on the short haul. We're ballistic from the moment we wake up to the moment Ery puts us down. We dive through the needle's eye at a fifth of lightspeed. Our tame singularity jump-starts the very continuum, shocks eight megatonnes of space-bending machinery to life, and by the time the readings have settled we're already too far gone to do anything but squint aft and glean what we can from the red shift.

    If you really wanted to, you could stay behind. Refit a shuttle with extra shielding, decelerate during construction, keep safely distant as Eriophora dives past on its way to heat death. Wait out those scorching, radioactive birth pangs, let the newborn wormhole settle in its collar. Then, in theory, you could go home. Whatever home has become by now. And if whatever's coming the other way lets you pass.

    Someone even tried it, once. I think he and I may have been close. But it was his decision. The rest of us just kept going.

    We're not stupid. We've caught ocassional glimpses of the things set free in our wake. Sometimes they're the furthest thing from friendly.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:09 No.1794054
    ***A Passing Phase***
    We've left so many things behind us. We celebrated the death of Earth itself, though we were dead to the world when Sol cooled and bloated and devoured it in a single bite. It wouldn't have mattered; we were far beyond the light cone by then anyway. But we woke for the next build, and checked the time, and toasted the passing of our homeworld and any who might still be aboard her. And got to work.

    They were right, the dust who sent us out here so long ago. I've lost count of the times the gates we built just sat there, dark and lifeless, until they passed from sight. Other times, though, things came out. Sometimes they even looked like people, and occasionally they spoke to us. Once a gate burst open spewing nothing but rads and plasma, as though a nova had erupted on the other side. More than once, things emerged that didn't look like they could have descended from anything remotely human. They reached after us. Mostly we've been able to keep our distance.

    Once we took on a hitchhiker, an immortal from the twenty-eighth century who caught up with us in a ship made of spider silk. Some still remembered us, she said; to some we had achieved the status of myth, by the simple virtue of continued existence. Many of our sister ships — almost all of them — had long since run aground.

    She didn't come to bed with us. For four thousand years she wandered Eriophora's endless dark warrens all by herself. Something happened to her during that time. I don't know what. I think, maybe, something came aboard. She wouldn't talk about it. It changed her in ways I can't describe.

    Immortality. She said it was only a phase.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:10 No.1794060
    Sometimes we had to choose between the things we set free and the things that lay in wait. We're not the only ones to covet the Goldilocks zones, you see. Sometimes we closed on target to find strange and bejeweled gates already humming with unfamiliar energy. Or we found ourselves caught in ancient cross-fire, coasting inexorably towards the automatic holocausts of extinct races who forgot to turn their wars off when they left. Sometimes our only hope was to build a gate in the teeth of that approaching storm, and pray that whatever came out behind us would be willing and able to take on the things up ahead.

    It's not just dangerous, though; it's also beautiful. Nebulae lovely enough to break your heart, even as you devour them. Endless expanses of Dyson spheres: tenuous, iridescent things light-minutes across, fragile and indestructible, blown taut as soap bubbles by the faintest stellar winds. They're alive, you see. They contain multitudes, these vast and intelligent membranes. Every sublime thought takes years to unfold.

    They can be evil fuckers sometimes, though. Full of hate.

    So much we saw. So much we left behind. And then one day, the gate we'd just built stuttered impossibly online before we had booted it. That was the last we saw of the Milky Way.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:10 No.1794062

    We left each other behind, too.

    Back in the old days we needed each other more than the mission did. It only took one of us to deal with the routine builds, but we stuck them out together anyway, hairless primates huddled together against the cold. It didn't last. We got bored, we got testy. Started sleeping through the other guy's shift. We still had relationships back then, still fucked and cuddled and held each other against the raging of the night; but then those bonds would break and it was just easier to stay in the grave while the other resurrected, easier to share your waking hours with memories than with flesh and blood. I've gone a million years without seeing another pair of human eyes looking back at me. Sometimes people die in your sleep, and the others forget to leave a note. It can take aeons to realize that someone's gone.

    Now I'm the only one left. Halfway to the edge of the universe, everyone else dead or turned back or — diverted, along paths orthogonal to my own. It's just me and the chimp, now.

    I can't even remember their names.
    >> Ouchies 05/22/08(Thu)10:24 No.1794114
    Awesome anon!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:44 No.1794186

    Forgot my link.

    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:47 No.1794193
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    your WHAT theory?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:55 No.1794220
    Never been too much of a sci fi guy, but I don't like the Star wars or Star Trek sort of Sci fi.

    I'd say something with a mix. I like STALKERS atmosphere, but I wouldn't want that for an entire world.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)11:07 No.1794272
    Woodpunk, sooooo underrated.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)12:21 No.1794485
    The combination of corporate ultra-modern and industrial dystopia: Cyberpunk.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:18 No.1794729
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    Post-Apoc. I'm not fond of shininess and lasers, and PA seems to be one of the only genre that's gritty and GRIMDARK enough to say "no" to them. Large-caliber bullets, dangerous patchwork vehicles, and real human skill being more important than how big your robot is.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:31 No.1794763
    Twilight: 2013 would be right up your alley. When it comes out.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:32 No.1794766

    Fallout did have some lasers and robots and shit, but real men used bullets and dogmeat.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:34 No.1794773
    Skill is overrated.
    >> Grand Master Rabengar Bartleby 05/22/08(Thu)13:35 No.1794776
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    Space Above and Beyond!

    Totally ROCKS!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:43 No.1794813
    Underground/Occult Fantasy; something akin to UA/Lovecraft/Hellboy, with a 1940-50's backdrop.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:46 No.1794821
    Rocked when I was kid.

    Now? Sucks.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:49 No.1794844
    I like all sci-fi settings, but which I favor depends on my mood as much as anything.

    Right now I'm big on post-apocalyptic survival stuff. Things like Hellgate: London, Fallout 2, etc.

    I'm also doing a lot of military Starship Troopers/Colonial Marines type stuff. Visit exotic locals, meet fascinating aliens, and then kill them.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)15:31 No.1795368
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    Probably alot of Iain M Bank's Culture series (though I may be stuck in that mode since I haven't read to burn it off because of "work"). A sort of Sleek-Dark, a sort of uptopia grown from corporate ultra-modern, where the general populace live happily, but the things that hold it all up are willing to kill and bribe to keep it that way.

    Physical combat has mostly been reduced down to short. Corporate espionage/hackery/politics, giving with one hand, with a knife ready in the other. Sometimes, something goes wrong, cities decimated by industrial "accidents". Real war exists out in space, over exploration, resources, system bottlenecks, mercenaries, piracy, mystery etc.

    Technology is mainstream, iPod, cosemtic DNA-tweaking (hair, eyes, skin-colour), full cyborg body-modding is a subculture like punks use piercings, raw iron girders on building sites but a smooth rounded building of plastics and glass when finished.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)15:32 No.1795375
    Back to the topic at hand though.

    Total Annihilation is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)15:42 No.1795419
    >> Incognitus Rex 05/22/08(Thu)15:45 No.1795436
    Eh, RIFTS has a good setting since it has every setting mentioned.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)15:52 No.1795473
    Probability Broach Retro-Futurism FTW.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)15:53 No.1795482
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    You're a shark?
    >> Peter Noone 05/22/08(Thu)16:05 No.1795536
    A postapocalyptic world where you travel between islands floating in the sky on final fantasy airships.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:06 No.1795541
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    gb2 death gate, haplo
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:12 No.1795578
    Gritty slick sci-fi. So basically kind of a mix between post-apoc and Masamune Shirow in terms of design, minus the post-apoc backstory.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:28 No.1795661

    who illustrated those?!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:31 No.1795674
    Adam Warren
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:44 No.1795738
    thanks a million!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)17:31 No.1795998
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    i like some fantasy with my sci-fi. be it magic or whatever.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)17:33 No.1796011
    so you want fantasy, not sci-fi ?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)17:39 No.1796035

    Outlaw Star?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)17:58 No.1796089
    >It's so over the top it becomes TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME. Flying cathedrals with hundreds of slaves positioning spaceship guns? Sign me up!
    I fixed a typo in your post.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)18:01 No.1796100
    Oh lawds, is dat sum Outlaw Star?

    As much as I like the series, so much of it becomes LOL, THAT WONT WORK BECUASE OF MAGIC. The universe is a little too Deus ex Machina -- if caster shells could pierce through 90% of everything, why wouldn't they refind a way to make them, and why wouldn't almost anyone else use them?
    >> Mechanical Overlord No. 00686401. 05/22/08(Thu)18:03 No.1796116

    Because mass-production of a bullet that substitutes "lifeforce" for "gunpowder" is a poor idea, human.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)18:07 No.1796133
    Neuromancer-style cyberpunk
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)18:10 No.1796162

    I find it hard to believe that the EVIL SPACE PIRATES' impenetrable defenses can be so easily found by some asshole in an antique shop, then.
    >> d20modernfag 05/22/08(Thu)18:11 No.1796170
    The 'spa planet' episode implies that caster shells are made from a non-renewable resource that's almost completely gone.
    >> Mechanical Overlord No. 00686401. 05/22/08(Thu)18:14 No.1796185

    Possible, but it wouldn't be much of an animu if it were made up of perfectly plausible occurrences and not-at-all odd circumstances, now would it?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)18:37 No.1796340
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    Blocky Techy with different core political states but with frontier space. Nothing too magical technology crap.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:49 No.1796857
    End Game.

    None of this society stagnating or destroying itself. We just keep expanding and advancing until we've colonized the entire universe and can do whatever the fuck we want as long as it doesn't break the laws of physics.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)20:24 No.1797063

    Warhammer 40fucking000 > Totally Boring Annihilation
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:10 No.1798049
    Has anyone said Blade Runner yet? That's pretty much the basic aesthetic for most cyberpunk stories, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:57 No.1798575
    I'm a huge fan of space opera in general. Specifically, Babylon 5 and Escape Velocity have an aesthetic that appeals to me.
    >> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:20 No.1798690
    All flavors of sci-fi are fine by me. I've been very interested in the '50s-'60s 'clean' aesthetic as presented by, say, Asimov (in RPG terms, think Classic Traveller)

    White corridors, polyhedron-shaped spaceships, atomic disintegrators, clean nuclear power, message capsules, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:21 No.1798696
    Add a "lately" to that first sentence.

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