Dragonfear- wait, do they even have dragonfear anymore?

Go to space.

Say, "Fuck you lack of oxygen."

Become Batman.

You use IHS to end the effect of "not being Pun-Pun."

IRON HEART SURGE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN WISH/MIRACLE. PROVE ME WRONG.

Tricky one this... Depends on whether or not it needs to be defined in the rules as an effect or condition or whatever.

But I'd say the biggest one would be a greater wish that effects the world around you.

Saying, "Fuck your reality" and have everything go back to normal.

>>1027569
Aside from all the other things you got wrong in that post, this:

>>charm/domination or dazing/paralysis/sleep/stunning

Is at least partly wrong.

You can use Iron heart Surge to overcome Paralysis(being that it's a purely mental action) and, I'd assume, Charm(though you would have to be convinced that you were being manipulated).

Don't you mean AYAN HAATO SAAJU (アヤン・ハート・サージュ)?

>>1027609

>You can use Iron heart Surge to overcome Paralysis(being that it's a purely mental action)

The FAQ says that you need to be able to move to use a maneuver. Paralysis makes you unable to move.

>Charm(though you would have to be convinced that you were being manipulated).

This is kind of iffy, since you wouldn't necessarily be completely under the caster's control, but you would need a reason to break free from the control of a "trusted friend and ally".

Death is a condition that lasts more than one round, though that is fairly common cinematically anyway.

Being Human (or any other race) is a condition that lasts 1 or more rounds. Iron Heart Surge to end the effect of being human.

Anyone with Iron Heart Surge needs never sleep, eat, or drink. Hell, he doesn't even have to feel depressed- he just pops the Iron surge and then BOOYA I'M FUCKING HAPPY.

>>1027635
>>The FAQ says that you need to be able to move to use a maneuver. Paralysis makes you unable to move.

That's seems dumb to me, as no movement would be necessary to think really hard at whatever ailment you were aiming to elmeminate, but that is indeed what ToB says, so, my mistake then.

>>1027635

Turns out that even page 38 of the ToB, right under Initiating Maneuvers and Stances, says that you need to be able to move to initiate a maneuver or stance.

>>1027638

Although being unconscious/dead is listed down as a condition, you cannot move while unconscious/dead, so you cannot initiate any maneuvers or stances.

I've always found it funny that Iron Heart Surge lets you abolish even area-of-effect spells or effects. I mean, you're using your own mental fortitude to bypass something yourself, how the hell are you ending that Cloudkill for the whole party?

This is like... Guts and Effort in drug/pill form.

It's so horrendously awesome!

>>1027701
Actually, an ability. But yes, if /m/ were to make a DnD character, it would have this ability.

While it may not be the most RAW thing ever, being pregnant could be considered an effect or condition that lasts for 1 or more rounds, so it might just be possible to give yourself an abortion using Iron Heart Surge.

>>1027723
And you get a bonus to hit someone because of it. "Sorry fetus, but momma REALLY has to hit this next kobold *SURGE* *Squelch*"

>>1027726

A MORALE bonus at that, because it's really uplifting and all.

>>1027671
By being GAR. Duh.

>>1027738
"I just squeezed out a fetus from sheer force of will! FUCK YEAH"

>>1027723
>>1027726
>>1027738
>>1027753

Well done guys, you just made a /b/tard feel physically ill.

>>1027756
Ah, /b/, how you have fallen...

Being swallowed is an effect, which means you can IHS your way out of the Tarrasque's stomach with ease.

It would be awesome if we had IHS in real-life. I have uncurable terminal cancer? IRON HEART SURGE.

Time and space are listed down as planar traits, and planar traits have an effect on everyone and everything in the plane. Yes, you can in fact use Iron Heart Surge to end time or space. What happens after that is totally up to DM fiat.

>>1027824
Best way to go out before dying. If you're going to kick the bucket, might as well bring down everyone with you in the biggest division by 0 that the cosmos has ever seen.

Someone using Iron Heart Surge to be God is just Yukari using her boundary manipulation. IHS requires you to bullshit your way to saying that there's something affecting you, while Yukari has to bullshit her way to saying that there's a boundary between X and Y. Both result in ultimate hax power.

>>1027651

>Although being unconscious/dead is listed down as a condition, you cannot move while unconscious/dead, so you cannot initiate any maneuvers or stances.

Weekend at Bernie's says otherwise.

>>1027824
IRON HEART FUCKING SURGE: More powerful than God.

You can get IHS by level 5, right? We've got the ultimate Pun-Pun foil (well maybe not the Pazuzu version), we just need to get a level 5 Warblade to IHS time/space and end the universe before Pun-Pun's ascension.

Note that you can actually end an Elder Evil's malefic property through the use of Iron Heart Surge, so you can stop Atropus' negative energy schtick or the Hulks' nerd rage with a single standard action. However, malefic properties might be generated every round. In that case, all you need is two 5th-level warblades to keep up a constant stream of Iron Heart Surges in order to constantly nullify an Elder Evil's malefic property.

Could "living" being considered an effect, and thusly removed turn you into an undead of some sort? Would be a much cheaper way of becoming a lich, or a master-free way of becoming a vampire ...

>>1027970
I dunno. It's creature type-dependent, not effect-dependent. Undead is a type, for example.

DM: "An evil demilich has cast an epic spell to engulf the world in an eternal ice age. You must set ou--"
Player: "I use Iron Heart Surge and end the harsh weather."
DM: "... rocks fall."

The effect "not currently piercing the heavens" is affecting me. I activate Iron Heart Surge to rectify that.

>>1028006
OH YEEEEEEEEEAH!

KICK IT TO THE CURB!

One I saw on the Wizards boards.

Sunlight is an effect lasting 1 or more rounds, especially if yo are an Orc or Drow or something. Therefore, Iron Heart Sure the sun away. Eternal winter.

You can also use Iron Heart Surge to remove planar traits. Going to the Elemental Plane of Fire and you don't like the heat? Iron Heart Surge, motherfucker, there ain't no flames any more.

>>1028006
>>1028029

Clearly, Simon had Iron Heart Surge during GUrren Lagann. That is how he managed to win over the Anti-Spirals.

>>1028038
>>1028037
>>1027977
>>1027671
I think it's supposed to me it ends the effects for YOU, not everyone.
IE: You take no damage from fire in elemental plane of fire, but the flames are still there, or the cloudkill is still there, it's just you remain unaffected.

>>1028046

That's not what it says. It says "the effect ends immediately." Nothing about it ending FOR YOU or whatever. So yeah, enjoy God Mode for D&D.

Can you use IHS to escape a grapple?

>>1028051
ugh, I just finished making my new DnD character and chose this ability, I had no idea it was this powerful until I saw this thread today.

>>1028051

Yeah, I guess so, since grappling is an effect. You can't do it while pinned though, since you need to be able to move to initiate a maneuver or stance.

>>1027928
Too late. Pun-Pun exists in all possible dimensions.
>>1027977
Please reclaim your prize of 3 entire internets at the nearest internet dispenser!

>>1028051
>>"the effect ends immediately."
it's supposed to end one single effect, Elemental planes and atmospheric conditions being continued you probably get to survive as long as the surge is in effect but afterwards you take the full effect. It's like someone is constantly raining effect spells on you, the surge doesn't kill the spellcaster.
It was good topic for a laugh, though.

>>1028081
What part of "the effect ends immediately" do you not understand? The FAQ even says it can bring down permanent effects (but not instantaneous effects).

>>1028095
can you understand the basic concepts of "cause" and "effect"? Because, as much as this is funny, you're obviously mistaking the two.

>>1028101
What are you trying to get at? That Iron Heart Surge cannot end an effect such as the heat of the Elemental Plane of Fire? It makes perfect sense: the heat is a permanent effect due to the nature of the EPoF, not an instantaneous effect, so it can be IHSed.

>>1028107
The 'permanent' refers to an effect that once 'activated' last indefinetly, not something which is -always- active like an elemental plane.
God, are you that dense?

>>1028101
In D&D, "effect" just refers to something that has a gameplay impact on something else within the game. It may also include the cause.

For example, Antimagic Field is an effect that disables all supernatural and magical abilities while inside the area of the spell. In real-life logic, the AMF spell would be the cause, and the disabling of all supernatural/magical abilities is the effect. In D&D terminology though, the entirety of the AMF is the effect.

>>1028145

Hmm. You might have something there. Stuff like gravitic traits and the heat on the Plane of Fire don't actually have a duration.

>>1028145
An elemental plane's properties aren't instantaneous, that's for sure. It's an always-active effect, and the closest thing that can come to that is a permanent effect. When the elemental planes were created, they were "activated" and the permanent effects of their planar traits kicked in.

Got that?

>>1028164

The planes don't work like that.

>>1028157
They don't have a duration. They have always been like that and they will always be like that. Thus, a permanent duration.

>>1028170

Put point out in RAW where it says they have a duration.

>>1028171
Do you not know what "PERMANENT" means?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/permanent
>1. existing perpetually; everlasting, esp. without significant change.
>2. intended to exist or function for a long, indefinite period without regard to unforeseeable conditions: a permanent employee; the permanent headquarters of the United Nations.
>3. long-lasting or nonfading: permanent pleating; permanent ink.

Is the Elemental Plane of Fire's heat existing perpetually and everlasting? Yes.

>>1028176

Do you not know what RAW is?

You're saying If A then B however nowhere in the rules does it state If A then B. That is entirely your interpretation of the rules.

>>1028176
You can't point out a loophole of vague wording in an ability and then ignore a similar vague wording elsewhere in the rules just to make your first thing work.

ITT: Rules lawyers attack to try and spoil our fun

>>1028176
Wordplay is not how D&D works. Or else, you could just say permanent means infinite duration.

>>1028184
Okay, let's get some things straight here. To be IHSed, something needs to:

1. Be an effect.
2. Have a duration of 1 or more rounds.

Is a planar trait an effect? Yes, it has a gameplay impact and the players are not always subject to it throughout the entire game.
Does a planar trait have a duration of 1 or more rounds? That's the thing. I'm saying "yes", because it would be a permanent effect for the plane.

What is your grounds for refuting that a planar trait is not a permanent effect?

>>1028200

Planar effects do not have a duration.

>>1028191
I, for one, wrote in every post that it was funny, as long as one acknowledges the joke was on the vague wording of the rules. Blame the fag who thinks his interpretation of a vague wording is the one possible one.

>>1028200
>1. Be an effect that is currently affecting the user of IHS.

Self-fixed.

>>1028202

Hey don't get me wrong. You can still pull off some crazy shit with IHS like ending wishes and that. I'm just one of the anons stating that due to planar effects not having a stated duration they can't be ended by IHS.

It's fun to bend the rules but you can't break them.

>>1028201
Why would they not have a duration? They are effects that are always active, hence, they have a permanent duration.

>>1028212
same reason an AMF is an effect and not a cause. It's the rules.

>>1028207
>>I'm just one of the anons stating that due to planar effects not having a stated duration they can't be ended by IHS.

I'm >>1028202 and I think that too. It was some other anon who said Planes can be IHSed

>>1028212

You just did it again.

A= Planar effects are everpresent. This is clearly stated.
B= Planar Effects have a permanent duration. This is not stated at all. Nowhere does it mention that Planer effects like gravity have a duration. Remember a duration is a clearly stated game statistic given the the info block for a spell or effect.

You're saying A implies B. This is an assumption that YOU are making. No one else. Someone else can look at the rules and come up with a completely different conclusion. Your assumption is not in RAW therefore IHS going by RAW cannot end planar effects because they do not have a duration.

If you want to make A implies B the rule for your game as a DM then that's fine. Rule 0 after all.

>>1028223
is a terrible post by me with many typographical errors.

>>1028223
implies I need to learn to proofread.

>>Whole Thread
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!

Can it rid me of my virginity?

As the Anon that inadvertently derailed the thread into rules-lawyering faggotry by claiming that you can IHS the heat of the Elemental Plane of Fire, I'd just like to say that I was just poking at possible things you can do by fucking around with IHS. That's it, I wasn't being serious and I wasn't trying to be strictly RAW. Fuck, my first post isn't RAW at all. There's no official definition of what an "effect" is; there is no official way on how IHS "ends" the effect either. It's all purely speculation for the sake of fun, just like how a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form ability. The wording of IHS is so damn vague that everybody will have a different way of interpreting it, so there's no real RAW interpretation of it.

Now can we please get this thread back into a light-hearted mood, such as by suggesting that you can IHS the effect of "not being in X location" to instantly teleport to that location?

>>1028242
Fuck you OP. I will not rest until these rules lawyers admit that planar effects have a duration however implicit and thus can be ended by IHS.

LET LOOSE THE NERDS OF WAR!

>>1028245
how about no

>>1028249

>>1028240
Yes, once you declare that you IHS your virginity, all time freezes and SOMETHING rapes you. Once time restarts, you don't see anything, but you look down and you just KNOW that you've been raped and you just lost your virginity.

>>1027795
I have to pay taxes? FUCKING IRON HEART SURGE

Hey, a planet has a duration (a lifespan), right? FUCK YOU, EARTH, IRON HEART SURGE!

Shouting out "IRON HEART SURGE" shounen-style has never been as awesome as right now.

Alright... lycanthropy is a disease with a presumably permanent duration. If I get bitten and turned into a werewolf, can I use IHS to return myself back to a non-werewolf?

>>1028392
According to the FAQ, yes. IHS can remove a poison or disease that has afflicted you.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070426a

>Q: Dear Sage,
>What exactly can or can’t iron heart surge (Tome of Battle p68) remove?
>--Franco

>A: Instantaneous effects can’t be removed by iron heart surge. However, any effect with a duration of 1 or more rounds, including permanent-duration spells or effects, may be removed by iron heart surge, nor does iron heart surge restore damage or ability drain.

>Iron heart surge doesn’t replace lost levels (though it would remove any negative levels resulting from a single spell or effect). It would neutralize a single poison coursing through your system, or a single disease that afflicted you.

>>1028392
Doesn't work, since your werewolf-self might not have knowledge of your abilities and might not want to use IRON HEART SURGE to heal THAT particular condition.
...Or are you saying you want to use IRON HEART SURGE to cure lycanthropy while normal? In that, even though the curse/disease isn't active, it's still affecting you? That's kind of a stretch.

>>1028410

>Doesn't work, since your werewolf-self might not have knowledge of your abilities and might not want to use IRON HEART SURGE to heal THAT particular condition.

Uh, the lycanthrope template lets you retain all of your special attacks and special qualities:

www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm
>A lycanthrope retains the special attacks of the base creature or base animal
>A lycanthrope retains all the special qualities of the base creature and the base animal

>>1028410
Use it to stop the transformation.

>>1028410
I'm talking about using it to stop being a werewolf. Like, after trying it out for a while you decide it's just not your thing, so you want to get rid of the curse.

>>1027569
>Being outdoors out at night gives you either concealment (for shadowy illumination) or total concealment (for complete darkness), both of which are effects. You can use IHS to end the night and presumably make the sun come up so that it's not dark any more.

>>1028037
>Sunlight is an effect lasting 1 or more rounds, especially if yo are an Orc or Drow or something. Therefore, Iron Heart Sure the sun away. Eternal winter.

Won't everyone on the planet who has IHS be fighting over who wants what day/night conditions?

So it's basically "Power Word: FUCK THAT SHIT!"

Best way to kill yourself ever.

Life *is* a permanent effect on you, after all.

Villain: You can't foil my plot, as it is to let you live!
Hero: BY ODIN'S MIGHTY THEWS, THIS SHALL NOT SUCCEED!

Dead hero.

>>1028485

The planet's rotation gets fucked up by people using IHS to make it day or night on their side.

>>1028505
I'd be posting that one SMBC comic with Batman and the Joker but I can't find it.

>>1028505

>Life *is* a permanent effect on you, after all.

Life is most certainly not permanent since it has a variable and finite duration, unless you've taken the Hourai Elixir or other such measures to ensure your immortality. Being undead doesn't count, because that's everlasting UNlife.

But hey, there's really nothing stopping you from using Iron Heart Surge to end the effect of your life. You even get a +2 morale bonus to attack rolls for one round while you're dead, how about that.

>>1028516
funny how undeath and unlife are really the same thing.

>>1028516
well with that logic nothing is a permanent effect since you can always die sooner or latter.

>>1028517

I blame Bram Stoker for coming up with the nonsensical term "undead" and getting it to stick. I mean, life is the opposite of death. UNlife is supposed to be death, and UNdeath is supposed to be life. Right now, unlife and undeath both refer to a state of existence that is neither life nor death.

>>1028518

By "permanent", I mean "meant to last forever unless outside circumstances interfere". Human life is never meant to last forever and has no chance of lasting forever. On the other hand, a spell that is meant to be permanent might just endure eternity, but unforeseen circumstances might result in it being dispelled.

>>1028516
>You even get a +2 morale bonus to attack rolls for one round while you're dead, how about that.

"I JUST BECAME AN HERO AND I'M FEELING LIKE A COMPLETE BADASS!"

>>1027977
I am going to try this in my next campaign just to see how the DM will react after I show him that IHS lets me do so.

>>1028516

Yeah, I'm typing between Microecon homework, so I missed that.

Epic thread

>>1028597
Minus the brief rules lawyer hijack, of course.

>>1027620
AYAN HAATO, ONEGAI!

>>1028051
Just imagine how much you could abuse if it only ended the effect for yourself. A mage could pick up Martial Study ([worthless Iron Heart maneuver]) and Martial Study (Iron Heart Surge). He could cast AMF and then fire off IHS to make himself and only himself totally immune to its magic-impeding effects.

>>1027569
>From a practical viewpoint, IHS gives you a 100% chance of busting down, say, an Antimagic Field or a Forcecage.
>Forcecage

I'm not so sure that IHS can break a Forcecage. Sure, you're in the spell's area and you're being debilitated, but the actual effect of the spell is the cage itself. You can't break down a Wall of Force using IHS because it's not directly affecting you, so why would you be able to break down a Forcecage?

Off topic but can I get your self stat post from a few days ago?

>>1028844

Uhhh, sure, why not. Keep in mind that the skill ranks are completely RAW, since a 1st-level human expert expert has [(6 + Int modifier) x 4] + 4 skill points, so a 1st-level human expert with 15 Intelligence has 36 skill points.

1st-level human expert, true neutral.

Strength: 8 (I am quite weak.)
Dexterity: 9 (I am slightly uncoordinated and clumsy.)
Constitution: 8 (I am lanky and sickly, and I never participate in athletic activities.)
Intelligence: 15 (I am going with Intelligence = IQ/10; I got a result of IQ 160 for the WISC-III test I took when I was 6 years old, but the Stanford-Binet test I took 3 years ago said I had dumbed down to IQ 149.)
Wisdom: 12 (I've got a fair deal of common sense and on-the-fly thinking skills.)
Charisma: 8 (I am terrible at social situations, and I'm literally a hikikomori outside of work.)

Feats:
Jack of All Trades (Complete Adventurer, page 110)
Research (Eberron Campaign Setting, page 59)
Skill Focus (knowledge [popular culture])
Skill Focus (profession [information technology])

Flaws:
Feeble
Meager Fortitude

Traits:
Absent Minded
Specialized (profession [information technology])

Skill Ranks:
Knowledge (behavioral sciences) 4 ranks
Knowledge (current events) 4 ranks
Knowledge (earth and life sciences) 4 ranks
Knowledge (history) 4 ranks
Knowledge (physical sciences) 4 ranks
Knowledge (popular culture) 4 ranks
Knowledge (technology) 4 ranks
Knowledge (theology and philosophy) 4 ranks
Profession (information technology) 4 ranks
-----
Total ranks = 32
Expert skill ranks at 1st-level = (6 + Intelligence modifier) x4

Skill Bonuses:
Knowledge (behavioral sciences) +7
Knowledge (current events) +7
Knowledge (earth and life sciences) +7
Knowledge (history) +7
Knowledge (physical sciences) +7
Knowledge (popular culture) +10
Knowledge (technology) +7
Knowledge (theology and philosophy) +7
Profession (information technology) +10

No GM in their right mind would allow this skill to do so much, and would barr it from effects that only target you and cannot effect the laws of physics like gravity, sunlight, abortions, but lulz. Great scenarios.

>>1028881

>barr it from effects that only target you
Isn't that what Iron Heart Surge was vaguely intended to do in the first place? Stop effects that are affecting just you?

>the laws of physics like gravity, sunlight, abortions
Abortions are a law of physics now?

>>1028866
Thanks

By RAW: IHS would work on all of those things except Forcecage, as that does not actually affect you.

>>1028908
If you're in the cage, you're inside the area of the spell and are being directly affected by it.

>>1027649
>That's seems dumb to me, as no movement would be necessary to think really hard at whatever ailment you were aiming to elmeminate, but that is indeed what ToB says, so, my mistake then.

What the Hell is dumb about a MANEUVER requiring you to MOVE.

I'm going to argue that, while Iron Heart Surge ends the effect something has on you, it does not end the source of that effect.
So, if you used it to end the effects bad weather has on you, you are not hindered by it anymore but it is still raining.

>>1028930

And before someone claims that Iron Heart Surge is a purely mental action, for all we know, it requires somatic gestures and body movements for it to work.

Rule 0 is affecting me? Fuck that, IRON HEART SURGE!

>>1028941
See >>1028155. In D&D, an "effect" is both the cause and the effect. A thunderstorm is the effect, the penalties are what happen to you because of the effect.

>>1028903

By the way, just what do you need this for? Are you trying to internet-stalk me?

>>1028941
If you're going to use that logic, how do you explain that the effect ends for EVERYONE? There's a whirling tornado and anyone can step into it without being affected by the strong winds? Wouldn't it make much more sense to simply say that the tornado ends?

>>1028952
Oh, if it is like that, everything is all right, then.
But I still have to say that it's pretty silly.

>>1028973
>But I still have to say that it's pretty silly.

What do you expect, it's WEEABOO FIGHTAN MAGIC. It comes from the same book that has maneuvers that let you teleport or make thrown weapons ricochet back to you as extraordinary abilities.

>>1028969
I would have said that the tornado doesn't end for everyone, only you are not affected by it. But since the wording of D&D rules is different from what I assumed that's a moot point, anyway.

>>1028979
That's not any more unfeasible than magic.

>>1028986
But you're doing it as an EXTRAORDINARY ability. As in, it's supposed to be completely mundane.

>>1029005
Oh, it is extraordinary, to be sure. But everyone could do it if they trained hard enough. If I can accept magic and giant, flying lizards and people making a living form robbing vast underground complexes I can accept that.

>>1029005
>But you're doing it as an EXTRAORDINARY ability. As in, it's supposed to be completely mundane.

>an EXTRAORDINARY ability
>it's supposed to be completely mundane

>EXTRAORDINARY ability
>completely mundane

>EXTRAORDINARY
>mundane

I'm aware that you're technically correct, but I still lol'd.

>>1029017

>But everyone could do it if they trained hard enough.

Explain to me how someone can learn how to teleport and make thrown weapons ricochet back to him just by "training hard enough".

>>1029023
Actually, he's not:
>Extraordinary abilities are nonmagical, though they may break the laws of physics. They are not something that just anyone can do or even learn to do without extensive training.

Far from "Mundane". Just non-magical.

>>1029032
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. Some acts are mundane in that they're still sort of feasible (as in:only village folk would go "Woah, that must be magic!").

>>1029028
Technically, as soon as you get past level 6 in Commoner, you're capable of being better at ANYTHING than a real world human. Fast Movement +10 and the Run feat alone are enough to break every sprinting record ever set, and a decent Con plus Endurance would make you the best marathon runner to ever live.

Moreover, D&D is a setting in which arm-waving and speaking gibberish rewrites the basic code of the universe for fantastic effects like explosions.

The ricochet thing has been documented as being "doable every now and then" with a lifetime of practice, but as we've already established, a lifetime of experience still rarely ever adds up to 6 levels in an NPC class. Is it really that hard to accept?

>>1029066
I agree to this and would like to add that the humans in DnD don't need to be exactly like we are, and the laws of physics also don't need to be exactly the same. As I stated before, since I can accept that someone may teleport with the use of magic, I can accept that someone can do it without the use of magic but through some other kind of training.
I could even justify it by saying that, while magic uses arcane energy teleporting without magic uses a different kind of énergy (call it willpower or chi or fluidum or however you want).

>>1029066

I can accept that you break the limits of the human race once you're past 5th-level. You can do things that a normal human can do, only REALLY WELL. You can run ridiculously fast, you can wield a weapon with uncanny skill, you can take blows and falls that would kill any lesser man, etc.

However, I'd think that if you're sticking to non-magical training, you're still bound by the laws of physics. Being able to teleport your own body is a HUGE step in what is scientifically possible, and it's not just something that you can pick up after training for a lifetime.

Anyway, it's kind of a moot point since even the "mundane" things in D&D already break the laws of physics. I mean, just about anything can fly if it has a pair of wings.

>Fast Movement +10 and the Run feat alone are enough to break every sprinting record ever set, and a decent Con plus Endurance would make you the best marathon runner to ever live.

The current world record for the fastest average sprint speed is 33.96 feet per second, held by Michael Johnson. In one round (6 seconds), he could run 203.76 feat. Someone with a 40-foot movement speed and the Run feat could take a full-round action to move 200 feet. From this, we can infer that the world's fastest man has only a 40-foot movement speed. A 1st-level barbarian with the Run feat can have that sort of speed right off the bat.

>When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect, or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of 1 or more rounds. That effect ends immediately.

Hi I'm a DM and I have to interpret WoTC's shitty rules quite frequently. This quoted text means that the user of the maneuver ends the effect of the "spell, effect, or other condition currently affecting [him]" ... "ends immediately [in regards to the initiator].

ie/
1. Spellcaster casts cloudkill on enemies
2. Warblade uses this on his turn
3. Warblade moves through cloudkill unaffected, with morale boosts
4. Cloudkill still affects everyone else

RAW even supports this: "affecting you"
I could be a dick of a DM and say rules only affecting you, as it does not say affecting you and your party, but whatever, it also does not say it clears it up for everyone else: the immediate effect on you ends.

Besides, if I did allow it (and I won't), you can expect enemies to have it.

Can we get back to Iron Heart Surge now? I want to know if I can use it to end a Frenzied Berserker frenzy early.

>>1029156
If you're the FB, yes. Else, no.

>>1029153

>Hi I'm a DM and I have to interpret WoTC's shitty rules quite frequently. This quoted text means that the user of the maneuver ends the effect of the "spell, effect, or other condition currently affecting [him]" ... "ends immediately [in regards to the initiator].

The wording is ambiguous, but it can be interpreted as saying that the effect totally ends for everyone. If WotC wanted to make it only end for you, then they would've said something along the lines of "The effect ends for you only" or "You are not affected by this effect any more".

>Besides, if I did allow it (and I won't), you can expect enemies to have it.

Let's all turn the game into a round of "Who can be God with Iron Heart Surge", shall we?

the existance of pun-pun effects me.


IRON HEART SURRRRRRRRRRRRGE

>>1029153
Sorry, but according to Wizards CustServ, the IHS does indeed end the effect. From the Wizards boards:

Q Can Iron Heart Surge remove:
1. Poison.
2. Disease.
3. The spell "Bestow Curse".
4. Ability score damage.
5. Level drain.
6. The influence of an antimagic field. (*)

Lastly,
7. If you use Iron Heart Surge against an effect which does not solely target you, but also affects an area, do you end the entire effect or do you just dismiss it from yourself?

A
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Ability score damage is not an ongoing effect. It is the result of an attack, spell, or ability. So no - damage, even ability score damage, will not be removed by Iron Heart Surge.
5. In most cases, level drain is similar to damage when determining if Iron Heart Surge removes it from the martial adept. If something level drained you, this is a permanent result, not an effect with an ongoing duration. You would not be able to use Iron Heart Surge to remove level drain.
6. Yes, you would be able to end the antimagic field if you chose to do so with Iron Heart Surge.
7. If the effect does not solely target you, such as the antimagic field in number 6, it will still end the entire effect.

>>1029258
CustServ is the cancer killing RAW. They know jack shit about the rules.

>>1028964
I wanted to show some one what a well though out and presented stat-me looked like since we are supposed to be making ourselves for a game that they want to run. Also if I wanted to inter-stalk you I guess I could.

>>1029373

>hi_Adslahnit.png

Gah, you even know my IRC nick.

By the way, I made an error in the statblock. Please make the following correction:

>Total ranks = 36
>Expert skill ranks at 1st-level = (6 + Intelligence modifier) x4
>Human bonus skill ranks at 1st-level = +4

>>1029344
RAW is for faggots anyways.

1) This shit needs to be archived.

2) As someone who took this ability on his new character before I saw this thread, what are things I could do to balance it so my group doesn't kick the shit out of me?

>>1029398
I already made that note when I showed my friend.

On topic, Am I correct in assuming you would need to take martial study twice to qualify for this maneuver?

>>1029463
Indeed you would as Iron Heart Surge requires the knowledge of at least one previous maneuver in the iron heart branch.

>>1029450

>2) As someone who took this ability on his new character before I saw this thread, what are things I could do to balance it so my group doesn't kick the shit out of me?

You could opt out on ending gravity/time/space and stick to the more practical uses of Iron Heart Surge, such as eradicating debilitating conditions or AoE effects like Cloudkill or Antimagic Field (questionably Forcecage too). Simple as that.

>>1029463

>On topic, Am I correct in assuming you would need to take martial study twice to qualify for this maneuver?

That is correct, since it has the prerequisite of one Iron Heart maneuver. You would also need an initiator level of 5th to qualify for Martial Study (Iron Heart Surge). Alternatively, you could just take levels in Warblade.

I may have to drop two feats just so I can end up with AMY begone.

>>1029492
Why would you want to do that? Isn't AMF your friend if you're a melee-type?

>>1029450
Play it safe and don't abuse IHS at all. Then at the end of the campaign, during the BBEG fight, start ending things left and right for lulz.

>>1029480
well were all meeting with the DM tonight tonight, in order to hammer out final details of the third chapter of our campaign and back-story for what happened/happening to our previous characters.
So I guess I could just talk it over with him and make it know that I took this as a way to make up for my miserable 0 will save as a level 7.

ITT: people need to learn that Instantaneous effects can last until the end of time too.

>Instantaneous

>The spell energy comes and goes the instant the spell is cast, though the consequences might be long-lasting.


Now look at this:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/genesis.htm

>Duration: Instantaneous


Therefore you cannot use IHS to end gravity, or any other planar trait.

>>1029539
Wow my grammar is atrocious, and I apologize for that.

>>1029539
How in the flying fuck did you get your Will save that low?

>>1029541
The instantaneous duration only refers to the actual Genesis spell. It creates several other effects (planar traits), which may or may not have their own durations.

>>1029552
Level 5 Warblade/Level 2 Bloodstone Brawler, and a Wis of 8

>>1029562
Whoops, I meant Bloodstone Blade.

>>1029575
I meant Bloodstone Blade, and it's in the Tome of Battle.

>>1029568

I think you mean "Bloodstorm Blade". Are you planning to go into Master Thrower later on, by any chance?

>>1029552
That is incorrect.

The traits are a direct result of the spell, (as they are set by the caster in the spell effect)and thus the effects have an instantaneous duration.

>>1029580
No because
1) I don't think we'll get that high level. and
2) My group would beat the shit out of me.

>>1029588
Genesis says nothing about planar traits. By RAW, there's nothing that links them to the duration of the spell.

>>1027723
Thread should've ended right then and there. Metaphorically speaking.

>>1029660
This is odd coming from the same board that would use Genesis to create their own fast time bubble word so they could get a full nights rest in a hour.

>>1029539
Seems safe enough, better then using it once in a way he doesn't like and having him completely ban it.

>>1029705

There's always Rope Trick and/or a Ring of Sustenance if you want to do that. Well, at least until the casters with Transdimensional Spell start popping up.

>>1029729
.....tell me more of this rope trick.

>>1029749

Oldest one in the book when it comes to easily recovering all of your spells in a safe space: www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/ropeTrick.htm

>>1029759
Thank You!

>>1029759
HAH, and to think last game my players created a stone wall to blockade themselves in a room in order to rest. Woke up to a booby trapped door and a small mob.

>>1029762
>>1029774

How can you NOT know about Rope Trick?

>>1029790
Mainly played low to no magic settings before as before this group that is what my previous preferred.

I agree

This thread went from "Abusing Iron Heart Surge" to "General Random D&D Discussion".

>>1029839
your point being?

>>1029839
Welcome to /tg/.

I'm thinking... can my opponent be considered an effect that's currently affecting me? Can I use IHS to wipe my opponent out of existence?

>>1029971
Unfortunately, no.

That raises up the question: just how does WotC define "effect?"

Iron Heart Surge is basically "KICK LOGIC TO THE CURB!" in Weeaboo Fightan Magic form.

low stats impose a penalty on your character, so use that to get your below average stats to 10 instantly!

IRON HEART FUCKING SURGE, BITCHES.