By The Emperor! Another Planetary Governor Quest thread!
>>538234First for the Space marines being hidden.
>>538234Second for the Directorate of Imperial Commissars
>>538234>>538202>>538200>>538192>>538173>>538151Xeroth gets to work on the first proper manufactory on Tarkon IV, even though we will need to get some manufacturing equipment to make it work at full capacity...What would we like to make at this new facility?A. Lasweapons, the primary weapons of the Imperial military, from the humble lasrifle to the might lascannon, they are relatively cheap and effectiveB. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron....C. Farming Equipment, we need more food, so we can create more bodies to serve the Emperor!D. Chimeras and Chimera variants, the backbone of any mechanized guard force, the Chimera is a versatile warmachine
>>538261B. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron....We shall have a surplus of jobs, so that we can build a lower class who will send their kids to school and build up the middle class.
>>538234>B. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron....
>>538261>B. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron....
>>538261B. Mining equipment.Does it matter whether we post word-for-word the option we choose in greentext? i just wonder because everyone else is doing it.
>>538261>B. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron....Now lets say we wanted to build mining equipment for, say, a gas giant, how far are we from that?
>>538261B. Mining Equipment, the Imperium, like all great Human Empires before it, was built on blood and iron, and we will need lots and lots of iron...
>>538294I think we are more basic than that. Your talking about industrial equipment, we are building the tools that will make the tools, to build the industrial tools we want.
>>538286no I just need the letter>>538286>>538279>>538275>>538267Xeroth has a basic assembly line set up, having the workers put together autodrills and autoshovels by hand, more advanced machines will be required if we want to increase production and the sophistication of what we produce...You are asked once again by Sergeant Zachias to raise a new regiment of jungle fighters from our jungle tribesmen, a specialist force that will serve as staunch defenders of Tarkon IV and asset for the Imperial Guard...Raise the Regiment?A. Do itB. Hold off on this idea for now, we dont really need another unit
>>538316A. Do it
>>538316A. Do itWhy not?Also, we should rename the major celestial bodies of our system. I say we consult with the tribesmen worried about loosing their culture for ideas. It will be a powerful concession that costs us little.
>>538316A. Do itHow many can we support?What are our PDF, Guardsmen, Stormtroopers, mercenary numbers, etc at?
>>538316A. Do italso advanced machinery FTW
>>538318>>538375>>538369>>538319The new regiment numbers 10,000 men, trained to a brutally high standard by Zachias, taken from the already hardened jungle tribesman, each squad of recruits is forced to work together, dropped into the jungle unarmed and without food and not allowed to return to base without the corpse of a Tarkonian Tiger, massive beasts that live in the southern jungles.Many recruits die in training but the men that survive the training are an elite force, thus the 1st Tarkonian Tigers are formed.>>538369We can easily support another 10,000 man regimentWe currently have 2000 stormtrooper bodyguards, 10,000 mechanized troops, 10,000 airborne troops, 4000 mercenaries and now 10,000 Jungle Rangers. These are all considered to technically either be PDF or household troops.We will need to raise another 10,000 men for the Imperial Guard next year for our Tithe requirements.You are reviewing the newly assembled men in formation when you are notified over the vox, that your astropath has received another message from Tzavaras, apparently he is looking to sell.You wrap up the review of the unit, and give a brief speech, honoring Sergeant Zachias and the men, before boarding your shuttle back to the space station.You enter the Astropathic chamber nad get the message....He is looking to sell several itemsA squadron of 5 baneblade tanks(limit of 1 buy)A shipment of heavy weapons(missile launchers, autocannons, lascannons)A shipment of 100,000 lasriflesA Company sized unit of Leman Russ tanks(20 tanks)A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)A Company unit worth of Chimera (20 APCs)A Company worth of Basilisk Artillery(20 mobile Artillery pieces)A shipment of manufacturing equipmentA shipment of mining equipmentAn old gas freighterWe have resources to trade for 8 Items...Would you like to buy anything?(please choose)
>>538570Because last time they weren't here. And I kinda owe that one anon.>A squadron of 5 baneblade tanks(limit of 1 buy)>A shipment of manufacturing equipment>A shipment of mining equipment>An old gas freighter>A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)>A shipment of 100,000 lasriflesAsk if he can get anything the space marines might need as well? or atleast the ability to produce what they need?
>>538570>A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)Ask if he can gets us a few Aquila Landers next time.>A shipment of manufacturing equipment>A shipment of mining equipment>A shipment of heavy weapons(missile launchers, autocannons, lascannons)
>>538570>A shipment of 100,000 lasrifles>A Company sized unit of Leman Russ tanks(20 tanks)>A shipment of manufacturing equipment>A shipment of mining equipment
>>538570> An old gas freighter>A shipment of manufacturing equipment>A Valkyrie Squadron>A company of Leman Russ tanks>A shipment of 100,000 lasrifles>A shipment of heavy weapons>A company of ChimeraWe are making our own mining equipment so we don't need that. Manufacturing equipment will allow us to speed this up or start another industry.The gas freighter will help us get out from under our Mechanicus debt faster. Our "mechanized" and "airbourne" divisions barley have the right to call themselves such. They need more tanks, APCs, and aircraft. I thought we were only making companies, not whole divisions.We always need more basic infantry equipment especially with the tithe coming up. We should really stop relying so much on Tzavaras. He's a good source for exotic stuff like baneblades but I'm sure we can get standard Guard stuff for much cheaper, if not for free, elsewhere. That should be our next task. >>538617I see no reason to get Aquila Lander instead of Valkyrie's.
>>538570>A shipment of heavy weapons(missile launchers, autocannons, lascannons)Need some better defences for our planet>A shipment of 100,000 lasriflesfor training and stuff.A Company sized unit of Leman Russ tanks(20 tanks)Something to supplement our baneblades and to provide the troopers with armor presence when no baneblades are available >A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)Need airpower>A shipment of manufacturing equipmentBuild up our world and economy.>A shipment of mining equipmentObviously, and we can use it for future mining on other planets.>An old gas freighterneed to start building our merchant fleet.
>>538570Oh god yussss>A shipment of heavy weapons(missile launchers, autocannons, lascannons)>A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)>A Valkyrie Squadron(5 aircraft)>A shipment of manufacturing equipment: Lasweapons>A shipment of mining equipment: For the Gas Giant>An old gas freighter>A Company unit worth of Chimera (20 APCs)leave 1 resource unspent for laterWe're probably going to focus for now on having a quick reaction force, so the chimeras and valks are good for that. Baneblades seem like too much of a problem in terms of finding spare parts and such. Mining and manufacturing so we can just produce our own lasguns and such, and the gas freighter to sell more gas and hopefully pay off the new freighter and cruiser quicker.Also, do the Astartes have any suggestions?
>>538675What Baneblades?Also, we are already making mining equipment at home. >>538685>>538570If we can specify what the manufacturing equipment does I support it producing lasrifles too.
>>538672I was going to say it had better specs, but you are right the Valkyrie is better than the Aquila Lander in every way.
>>538685>>538570Also, if maintenance for the Baneblades going to be a thing to consider unlike all the other vehicles?
>>538713For the purpose of these purchases, assume that replacement parts and maintenance kits have been provided, however long-term we will need to look into ways to maintain our vehicles, and not be reliant on infrequent shipments from a rogue trader
>>538704Nvm, I thought we bought baneblades last thread, we almost but wanted devour drop-ships instead.
>>538729In that case, can we plase start doing what I said near the end of >>538672 ?
>>538713>>538729Fair enough. I'd be ok if we get baneblades. I don't think we need them now and I think Leman Russ' are better for now, but eh.>>538752I'm not sure we have enough equipment though to actually mine the gas giant. We have transports to send the raw product off, but idk if our facilities can actually produce the gas mining equipment. That way we can pay the mechanicus quicker.
>>538764I believe we just sent our first shipment of gas off.
>>538570Considering all of our airborne>5 valk squads>old freighter>lasrifles>heave equip
>>538570Voting>Baneblades>Heavy weapons>Gas freighter>Manufacturing equipment>Valkyrie squadron>Leman Russ tanks>Mining equipment if it's more advanced than what we can manufacture ourselvesSave the last one or two points.I'm also thinking we should use some of our newly produced mining equipment to construct 4 armoured strongholds around the planet (one near our main city of course) and fill each one with a baneblade and 1000 mechanised troops - no sense keeping them all deployed near our main city if heresy or dark eldar crop up on the opposite side of the planet. And allowing more of the primitives to see the protective might of the imperial baneblade rolling through their territory will definitely halt any thoughts of treason.
Why does everybody keep thinking hersay and treason is gonna spring up suddenly from the natives? We mercilessly purged 3 whole tribes earlier in the year.
>>539017Sounds liek we due.
>>539140but why? We've purged the minor corruption and have a SUPER crazy Zealot on the planet, and ontop of that nothing they have can 'hurt' us in any real fashion. There isn't a need or fear of rebellion.
>>539017It's not that I think heresy is likely to spring up (attack by raiders is much more likely) but if we have 5 baneblades it's a lot more useful to have them positioned to protect as much of the planet as possible. I think we're unlikely to need superheavies at all but in the unlikely event that we do need them ... I'd like to actually have them in position.If we have them all clustered in our main city then any DE could warp in, take as many slaves as they want then piss off before the baneblade battalion even arrives n the same continent.
>>539158DE need webway or warp travel. We can detect the warp jumps as we did before. I have no issues with the Baneblades now but I'm confused as to the whole hersay everywhere! Stick
>>538605>>538617>>538665>>538672>>538675>>538685>>538970>>538991You decide to order several things from Tzavaras, most notably another shipment of Leman Russ and Chimera, another shipment of lasguns. You also get advanced manufacturing and mining equipment for the surface, as well as an old gas freighterFinally to bolster our airforce we buy 2 more valkyrie squadrons...The shipment should come in in several weeks...In the meantime Felix has returned from exploring the galactic east. Finding once more several more primitive Imperial worlds, however he also has run across Urian Secundus, a medium sized hiveworld, they have an astropath, a small shipyard and are looking to trade for food, in exchange for manufactured goods...We also find a major Imperial shipping lane going past Urian Secundus...With the gas freighter and Tzavaras freighter's coming in and out of our system every few weeks, our system has become more known to local traders, military forces and political leaders...We should look into improving our spacestation...You have Xeroth look over the designs and look to outfit some new rooms/functionsA. Additional weapon mounts and reinforced armor, just in case we have a run in with some less friendly guestsB. Ballroom and Luxury Suites, for entertaining high level guestsC. A Pub, with a small performance stage, also good for entertaining and giving everyone a place to wind downD. Hydronics bay, for growing our own food on the stationE. Brothel, profitable, and keeps the troops and spacers happy tooF. Bazaar, allow local merchants to sell things in one of the large storage bays on the station, we take a small cut of all proceeds of course...G. Other(write-in)
>>539291>B and if possible A sense thats external
>>539291AUntil we get that cruiser our planet is an inviting target for pirates. Especially if we boost our industry before our defence and "let ourselves become more well known"
>>539291>A. Additional weapon mounts and reinforced armor, just in case we have a run in with some less friendly guestsJust in case some Pirates try to test their luck
>>539291>A. Additional weapon mounts and reinforced armor, just in case we have a run in with some less friendly guestsWe can do B next. Hopefully we don't offend anyone with the amenities in the mean time
>>539291>F. Bazaar, allow local merchants to sell things in one of the large storage bays on the station, we take a small cut of all proceeds of courseOur space station already has defences, and aside from the DE, we haven't run into any stellar threats.In saying that, increasing our system fleet should be priority 1. To do that we need more trade / money, ergo, the bazaar.
>>539340>increasing our system fleet should be a priorityWell we are getting a Goddamn Cruiser fairly soon. I think that combined with a tge space station's defenses will make us pretty damn formidable in space
>>539357Not only that but our other ship as well. We aren't looking too bad defensively, especially once the Luna-class Cruiser gets here. With the station upgrades we should be fairly formidable for such a backwater system
>>539291Make a bazaar for that sweet trade money
F. A Bazaar would help with income and give us a reason to requisition more defences from the administratem
>>539361>>539357>>539339>>539326>>539314>>539309Xeroth gets work on outfitting the station with additional weapons, and reinforcing the armor plating all around the hull, additional bulkheads and interior doors are installed as well, making the station easier to defend and compartmentalize in the event of a large breach...In the meantime, while construction is underway, shipments from Tzavaras begin to arrive, including the manufacturing equipment, allowing us to build another manufactorum able to build lasweapons.We also receive some advanced surface mining equipment, to supplement the equipment we are already building, further increasing our yields and producing enough of a surplus that we may be able to start building small ships here, if we had a shipyard....The captain of one of the freighters tells you of a terrible rumor, that an unidentified xenos force has completely annihlated several Imperial worlds on the far western frontier...With Imperial Forces stretched thin fighting the heretics in the Sabbat Sector, there are few left to stop these new xenos...This seems to corrobate that you have recently noticed much more traffic of Inquisition vessels from their base and Corean hasnt contacted you in months...You have also received a wide astropathic distress call from a hive world to the galactic west, requesting aid in fending off a major WAAAGHH from a space hulk that materialized nearby....What should we do?A. Nothing, we need to focus on defenses at home before we worry about other worldsB. Send some troops in our freighter transport to support themC. Other(write-in)
>>539404>B. Send some troops in our freighter transport to support themI think we could help make a difference, it's also a good move politically, especially if our troops perform well.
>>539404B. Send some troops in our freighter transport to support themGoddamn. Do not fuck around with Ork Waaghs. Crush that shit before it starts to snowball.
>>539404>B. Send some troops in our freighter transport to support themOh shit kill it with fire!
>>539404>B) MY PEOPLE THEY COME. FREE ME WARBOSS
>>539413>>539411>>539410>>539407A reaction force is assembled to counter the WAAAGHHH, Lieutenant Felix and the Corvette are recalled to escort the large freighter.Who should be deployed to help defend the hive?A. Captain Masson and the Airborne unit, their mobility will be essential to counter the orks unpredictable natureB. Colonel Detorio, his mechanized forces have the right combination of toughness, speed and fire power to go toe to toe with the orksC. Sergeant Zachias, his new ranger unit are tough brutal infantry, skilled in stealth and melee combat, the tenacity and ability to dig in anywhere will make them invaluable to the hives defenseD. Other(Write-in)
>>539427>C >B once we get the new tanks? In
>>539427>B. Colonel Detorio, his mechanized forces have the right combination of toughness, speed and fire power to go toe to toe with the orksWe need to bring overwhelming firepower and wipe them out as quickly as we can
>>539429We did get the new tanks in, sorry if that wasnt clear before
A and B if two or just B
>>539427If we can take more than one, B&C. If not, B. Let's really not hope we get bogged down in inter-hive fighting.
>>539427A - The last thing we want to do is get bogged down in a meatgrinder fight. That's just playing right into the ork's hands.
>>539463And if the planet is over run? And then the next? And then the next? And then they come to our doorstep? Best to do what we can to eliminate the problem where it is now, rather than have them snowball into an epidemic in this region
>>539466That implies that being swift and mobile is somehow less effective. If there's one thing that can hurt orks, it's precision strikes against leaders and other vulnerable areas - They can't do too much if their vehicle & ship assembly areas keep getting raided, and their bosses crumped up bad.
>>539471Shit my bad, I totally read that as "Do nothing"
>>539427>A. Captain Masson and the Airborne unit, their mobility will be essential to counter the orks unpredictable natureLet's put those Valkyries to good use
>>539482>>539463>>539451>>539443>>539430>>539429Since there seems to be a lot of votes for sending multiple regimentsWe will be sending the Airborne and Mechanized units, leaving the jungle rangers at home.It takes less than a solar day to gather the troops for the operation, our Devourer dropship taking on nearly the full mechanized regiment, while the valkyries are placed in the massive storage bays of the Freighter, prepped for a quick deployment. In addition to our airborne troops, 1 thousand mercenaries have also joined the relief effort, to help guide our airborne forces and provide a core of veteran troops to reinforce any problem areas.Our forces arrive to find that one the largest, central hives has been lost to the ork surprise attack, while the rest have quickly fortified and assembled their PDF forces.The orks led by a massive warboss have already seemed to have scrapped together lots of vehicles and are armed to the teeth, they seem to be moving towards the northern hive...Our troops are quickly deployed to counter the enemy...Please roll a d100 to determine the success of the operation..A. Land our mechanized troops behind them and have our airborne harry them on the way to the hiveB. Bolster the defenders of the hive, defensive placing our vehicles and troops, and use the Valkyries as close air supportC. Other(write-in)
Rolled 92 (1d100)>>539571FOR THE EMPEROR!A. Land our mechanized troops behind them and have our airborne harry them on the way to the hive
Rolled 16 (1d100)>>539571>A. Land our mechanized troops behind them and have our airborne harry them on the way to the hiveYou know what would've been nice here? Sending the Lunar for lance battery support.
>>539571I'm just gonna support this guy. >>539583
>>539590We don't have it yet
>>539593Need to roll homie, it's average of the first 3. Don't forget to praise the emperor loudly for best results.
Rolled 77 (1d100)>>539571A try and snipe the warboss from the air
>>539598Ah fuck me i forgot it was avg, not the best roll like the other quests I'm in. And somebody beat me to rolling, kek.
>>539583>>539590>>539603Average of 62 a fair successThe devourer lands our mechanized forces on the fallen hive behind the orks, while our airborne troops attack isolated convoys, the Valkyries slaughtering and disabling most of their warriors and vehicles, followed by our droptroopers finishing off the survivorsOur mechanized troops quickly destroy vulnerable enemy supplies...With much of the more vulnerable force wiped out, only the Warboss on his mighty battlewagon and his host remain.Unfortunately heavy fire from his vehicles has forced our valkyries away, and our own vehicles are still catching up when he hits friendly lines protecting the northern hive...The fighting on the ground is savage, as the orks force the PDF troops into hand to hand combat...However our mechanized regiment is now in position behind the orks...A. Using the mechanized troops as the hammer to the PDFs anvil, ride in and crush the greenskin scumB. Have the Airborne launch surgical strike against the warboss, slaying him will break the orks resolve and drive them into the guns of our mechanized comradesPlease roll a d100 to determine the success of this mission
Rolled 39 (1d100)>>539657B. Have the Airborne launch surgical strike against the warboss, slaying him will break the orks resolve and drive them into the guns of our mechanized comradesTAKE THE WHEEL MALICE
Rolled 39 (1d100)>>539657>A. Using the mechanized troops as the hammer to the PDFs anvil, ride in and crush the greenskin scumWipe out all of the scum FOR THE EMPEROR!
>>539670Damn psudo-random dice. I should have waited.
Rolled 19 (1d100)>>539657One more roll just to keep things moving
Rolland fer the emprah
>>539691You don't roll again mate, We wait for somebody else.
>>539693Yeah I wasn't going to, I know it's rude, I was being impatient. My bad
Rolled 6 (1d100)>>539657>A. Using the mechanized troops as the hammer to the PDFs anvil, ride in and crush the greenskin scumLET'S GO
Rolled 44 (1d100)>>539657>B
Rolled 80 (1d100)>>539657Fear the Xeno, Hate the Xeno!
>>539696EVERYTHING WENT HORRIBLY BAD
>>539704That's what happens when you submit to chaos anon. Malice aint yo friend.
so back to training a new pdf then?
>>539715p much famalam
>>539715We'll only lose like 75% of our shit. Its really acceptable losses for PDF and Guard forces to be honest.
>>539731>>539735GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE!
>>539715Don't think of it as battlefield losses, think of it as Veteran training.
>>539747Promotions for every man who survives! Glory to the families of every man who dies for our cause!
you guys think we should try and get a tribe of Ogryn or not bother?
>>539786Would be pretty sweet
Hey OP, I'm guessing you've gone to bed or work or whatever (No idea what timezone you're in) but in the future could you let us know when you're done with the thread for a large block of time? Just a quick message that you're done and will be back later in the day/tomorrow/next week/etc would help. Cheers.
>>540000Doing proper sessions would be nice
Rolled 34 (1d100)>>539657>A. Using the mechanized troops as the hammer to the PDFs anvil, ride in and crush the greenskin scum
>>539665>>539670>>539691>>539697>>539698average of 32 a minor failureColonel Detorio leads the mechanized troops in behind the ork horde, dismounting the infantry and forming a gunline using the chimeras and leman russ tanks, opening up on the orksMeanwhile above Valkyries strafe exposed orks while droptroopers join the fray, providing fire support to the PDF troops caught in melee with the orks.Seeing his boys begining to waver, the Warboss turns his attention to our mechanized troops, followed by hundreds of massive Nobz the finish slaughtering most of the first line of PDF defenders before charging our mechanized gun lineDespite disciplined and accurate fire from chimera multilasers and Leman russ battle cannons and storm bolters and our mens lasrifle fire, only half the orks are dropped by the time they get into melee range....A call to fix bayonets comes down the line as our men prepare to meet the greenskins head on.Colonel Detorio himself leads the regiment from one of the first line Leman Russes, near the center of the formation. Calling out orders over the vox, he calms and encourages our men to stand firm against the green tide....Unfortunately as the orks begin to close the gap, their innaccurate but powerful weapons begin to take their toll, with automatic fire ripping through our troops and rockets destroying and disabling several vehicles...Early in the fighting, Colonel Detorios vehicle suffered a near miss from a large rocket, the vehicle is intact, but the Colonel was knocked unconscious from the blast and has suffered a major head injury...As this is happening the Warboss and his nobz have begun cutting down hundreds ofour men, massive ork cleavers hacking down man and machine alike...Seeing the Colonel is down and the center of the line wavering, Captain Masson is forced to make the decision to launch an attack run on the Warboss, despite friendly troops still engaging the orks in melee.The roar of a dozen valkyries is heard over the battlefield as they fly over, cutting down dozens of Nobz and badly wounding the Warboss, long enough for the rest of the mechanized troops to reorganize and focus fire. The beast taking multiple battle cannon shells to finally take down.With his death the nobz are cut down by focused fire as well, but not before cutting down dozens more of our troops in close range fighting...Seeing the Warboss slain, the defenders rally and rush out to slaughter the rest of the orks, surrounding the surviving greenskinsAnother hour of fighting to wipe out the rest of the trapped ork passes, eliminating the threat at the cost of a great deal of Tarkonian blood spilled....An extensive operation is launched to clean up the hives of any trace of ork activity, finally being declared secure, a great feast is held in honor of our men and their timely rescue of the world...
>>540108>>540000Sorry guys, I will try to better about that, I am on eastern time for what its worth, and part of the reason there are gaps between the posts is that I try to slip a few posts in at work and then a few after I get home before bed.
>>540137Hey as long as the Colonel gets medical attention and I mean good medical attention, This was a victory... and we can recover the wrecks/left over weapons of the lasguns and shite.
>>540137We need to shoot the Colonel for incompetence, who the fuck forms a static gun line when your a fucking MECHANIZED as in MOBILE unit?
>>540144All good mate, Send the men for R&R after clean up duty.
>>540170Hey now, we're not exactly actual Guard units. Let him live and learn how a Chimera can shoot while in full reverse.
>>540170>>540199Is this guy our cousin who is supposed to have experience in armored warfare? How'd he get to be so shit?
>>540170>Employing effective tactics with a shit roll>executing our own cousinLad
>>540208There could be any sort of reasons why. Insufficient communication between the order of battle, little or bad intelligence on the enemy location, suprise on the enemy's part..A military unit consisting of two regiments can be hard to keep in order.
>>540217As soon as they saw the orcs charging they should have all mounted back up and moved out of the way. >>540211I know its because of the roll, but in-world it should be recognized that forming static formations with a mobile regiment is a shitty thing to do.
>>540137It is unclear if Colonel Detorio will survive, and the family will be displeased to hear if your cousin has fallen after serving you for less than a yearAll is not well with the troops either, heavy casualties were taken among the mechanized troops, while casualties were relatively light in the airborne unitThis divide is further exacerbated by the fact that Captain Masson ordered an attack run on the Warboss, while he was engaged with our men in melee, resulting the several hundred men and a few vehicles lost to friendly fire...Of the 20,000 men deployed, almost 5,000 were lostMost in the last battle fighting the warboss.Several companies in the front line were wiped out to a man. 16 Chimeras were lost, along with a dozen Leman Russ, additionally 2 Valkyries were shot down by ground fire.After the battle, the bodies of our fallen troops are collected(whats left of them anyway)With the wounded getting the attention they need, and the feast over. Our men depart back to our world...Upon their return, Sergeant Zachias is fuming after reading the battle reports, chastizing the officers of our forces for not using effective combined arms tactics and taking advantage of their superior mobility.He claims an Imperial Army unit half the size couldve wiped out that WAAGH with minimum casualtiesWith the battle over, he institutes new tougher training for both new recruits and veterans...After the battle, you receive a message of thanks from the Governor of Radick's Folly, the hiveworld we just saved, he offers a number of gifts, you may only take one.A. A shipment of powerswords from the worlds greatest artisansB. A shipment of 100 Leman Russ tanks, fresh off the factory lineC. A shipment of 100 Chimera apcs, fresh off the factory lineD. A full wing of Valkyries. 20 aircraft also fresh off the lineE. Specifications and technical support to build a small shipyardF. A corvette, fresh out of their shipyard
>>540228Maybe they were in heavy fog, or in a mountainous region, or stuck in front of chokepoints like bridges or gates. The hedgerows of France during WW2 could impede the tanks of the day.
>>540233>E. Specifications and technical support to build a small shipyardWe Spess Ships now!
>>540233E. Specifications and technical support to build a small shipyardHere we go. Improved shipping, access to naval repair, domestic production of Defence Monitors and light cruisers. This is the shit right here.
>>540233>A. A shipment of powerswords from the worlds greatest artisansWhile the shipyard is tempting, we don't have the industrial base to support if.Everything else we can get from our friendly Rouge Trader - but power weapons are unique.Ensure to take one for ourselves and our tribal bodyguard.
>>540233E.In addition, ask him to replace our losses in terms of vehicles lost. Shouldn't be too much to ask for.Also, do the vehicle casualties include those that could be repaired?
>>540233E. Specifications and technical support to build a small shipyard
>>540233>A. A shipment of powerswords from the worlds greatest artisansCould use some to gift to some of the ranking planetary leaders.While the shipyard sounds awesome to me as well, remember our talk about the locals culture erasing and modernizing the planet too fast?
>>540252Mate, the natives won't be in the fucking shipyard. We have hives on the world remember?
>>540252I'd feel much more sympathetic if the planet wasn't a feudal world. Our value to the Imperium is really low, unless an Astartes Chapter wants to settle down.
>>540238>>540228>>540217>>540211>>540208>>540199I reasoned that he was faced with coming from behind the orks in a dense urban area, while the orks were engaged with the local PDF, which forced them to get in closer than theyd like and give them limited room to manuever, even on the wide roads of a highly developed hive city
>>540261Wait, we have a Hive?I thought hives were the results of centuries of unplanned, ad hoc buildup? What we have is more like a planned out city.
>>540266We have HIVERS from our familys? Shipment that came in. So we can stick them in the shipyard. No need for the natives to get all spooked.
>>540261Building up the manufacturing capacity to work with a shipyard would be the issue.
>>540268How do we support the shipyard? We have 1 major factory on the ground producing lasguns. We'd need hundreds to produce all the components required to build a shipyard, let alone the ships themselves.
>>540274Well, it wouldn't need to get done right away. This can and probably will be a gradual building project. Who knows, by the time of it's ribbon cutting we could be a civilized world.
>>540274>>540270We're not IMPORTING a newly built shipyard. We're getting the designs to build one, this MEANS we can focus on the industry on the planet or nearby worlds and then build the shipyard off of our station. We can always get power weapons shit from these guys later.
>>540280Meaning it doesn't do us much good, and we will be needing to take it easy on industrializing the planet as it is.>>540287>We're not IMPORTING a newly built shipyard.Duh
>>540302In the long term, this is the best option. All of the other things we have gotten from other places so far. This is a better deal than what the Mechanicus would ask for the same.
>>540251>>540250>>540244>>540241You graciously accept the governors gift, and ask for the shipyard designs, in addition he sends over an engineer to assist on the project, Lyra Kaine, while young she is quite brilliant and graduated from one of the top Academies in the region, she also happens to be the niece of the governor....In order to build the shipyard itself we will require a great deal of steel, as well some compounds we will have to import.Things return to business as usual when you receive a message from Corean congratulating you on your successful defense of Radrick's Folly.He doesnt go into specifics, but states that there are problems on the western frontier and warns you against doing anything there at least for the time being...The day finally comes when your cruiser arrives...A Lunar-class fresh out of the shipyard, she is a sight to behold.... In fact so big, we will need a shipyard to do any meaningful work on her...She'll need a name and a captain, what should we do?(also we never named our corvette)(This is a write-in)
>>540494>Bright Lance for Luna-Class [Give the Corvette guy a promote to this]>Flaming Arrow for Corvette [Put his second in command here]>Ask our tech-priest about where we could get the imports and also if we could build the shipyard to be connected to our station to make it larger
>>540494Astraea for the Cruiser, Narcissus for the Corvette.
>>540494Waxing Crescent for Lunar ClassRedline for the Corvette
>>540208“The 75mm main gun is firing,” Lt Giles recalls, breathlessly. “The 37mm secondary gun is firing, but it’s traversed round the wrong way. The Browning [machine gun] is jammed. I am saying, ‘Driver advance’ on the A set, but the driver – who can’t hear me – is reversing.“And as I look over the top of the turret, and see 12 enemy tanks, just 50 yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich.”
>>540494Edge of Tomorrow for Lunar-classDawn's Early Light for the Corvette
>>540515Might do to find a proper captain with experience, I'm sure the rogue trader would know someone.
>>540562I dunno. Considering the possible legal issue of a simple planetary governor owning an Imperial Navy warship, I'd rather have loyalty for a ship this big than some better experience.
>>540562you mean a person with loyality elsewhere?
>>540494I like >>540537's suggestion for the corvetteFor the Cruiser though, I'd say Ex Tenebris Lux
>>540531Backing these names. For the captain, I suggest that we promote Lt Felix. For the now Captain-less Corvette, I suggest that we request some newly minted naval officers out of the nearest Schola.
>>540571I would assume since we got it from the mechanics we should be square.>>540573I mean someone who knows what they are doing with a proper ship, wherever we get them from.
>>540494>>540573we could ask if our friend governor has any relatives in the navy business who would want a commission, it would be up to our Astartes friends to determine if he's capableWe have a friend abroad that has connections, and a dozen of the most experienced soldiers available. Time to work with them a bit.
>>540648I hate to cast doubt right now, but we're asking somebody if they like to command a Lunar cruiser for a newly minted governor of a feudal world, that doesn't even have the infrastructure down to repair it. It's kinda a big temptation to take the thing and run.
>>540233We did make sure they all got scrubbed down and washed, including our equipment and ships before the came back home right?>>540494Some purity seals, and promote some of our current navy guys.We need to build up our base knowledge so they can man our equipment or do this >>540562>>540551lol
>>540494Promote Felix to command the cruiser, loyalty is what I care for most in the man commanding the enormous armoured gun battery in orbit around our world.I'm also backing a diplomacy roll to get the governor of R's Folly to replace our vehicle losses in the battle. As >>540250 mentioned.Our mechanised veterans should have some good experience now, right? Especially with Great Crusade-era space marines training them.For names>>540556 Edge of Tomorrow - cruiser>>540515 Flamng Arrow - corvetteAre pretty good.
>>541017>>541009>>540683>>540648>>540592>>540591>>540575>>540573>>540571>>540562>>540556>>540537>>540531You recall Lieutenant Felix and invite him to your office, having seen the Cruiser in orbit, he seems to know what you are going to say....You offer him the rank of Captain and command of the Edge of Tommorow, which he accepts immediately.You will need to find a replacement for the commander of the Redline, where Lieutenant Daniels is in command for nowYou also, seeing the losses sustained in the battle for the hive, decide to contact the Governor and ask him as a sign of friendship between our two worlds, if he would be willing to replace our vehicle losses.Please roll a d100+20 to determine the success of this action
Rolled 64 + 20 (1d100 + 20)>>541046
Rolled 45 + 20 (1d100 + 20)>>541046
Rolled 6 + 20 (1d100 + 20)>>541046
Rolled 2 + 20 (1d100 + 20)>>541046
Rolled 55 + 20 (1d100 + 20)>>541046
>>541066>>541064>>54105258.3 a very minor successUsing a little bit of charm, and guilt, you are able to convince the Governor to send you replacement vehicles for the losses sustained on his world.You have been increasingly attentive to the astropath lately as their are many distress calls coming from worlds on western frontier, they claim to be battling xenos that resemble robotic skeletons and possess advanced technology....Word from the 2nd Sabbat crusade is grim as well, with the main thrust stalled out against a heretic stronghold world...Our men have drawn adoration and commendations by their commanders, who were expected feudal barbarians, but received properly trained and equipped infantry, who have proved resolute in the face of harsh odds, and gained fame and renown for their ferocity in melee combat with their Tarkonian war axes and a few Tarkonian war hounds they managed to sneak onto campaign with them...The hivers and local Tarkonian warriors seemed to have blended into a seamless unit, the hivers adopting many traditions of their adopted home on the brutal battlefields of the Sabbat sector...Unfortunately rumors have spread that they were trained and gifted their weapons by a powerful astartes warrior in black armor, which could potentially draw the wrong type of attention to our operations....Seeing these things has only made you more determined to make our planet as self sufficient and defensible as possible...You pull up your datapad and look into another surface project....A. Build an underground bunker complexB. Build a school(we will need someone to run it)C. Expand the minesD. Expand the farmsE. Have a small lasweapon manufactory builtF.Other(Write-in)
>>541120>D. Expand the farmsWith the food from the farms we can trade with the neighbouring hiveworld for vehicles, las weapons or heavy weapons as needed. Maybe even get ourselves some power weapons for our bodyguards.School I think is the least useful given our tribal's fears of being cultarally genocided.
>>541120>D. Expand the farmsNeed to compensate for the coming boom in population and giving exporting the surplus to the hive world in need of food.
>>541120>D. Expand the farms
>>541156>School I think is the least useful given our tribal's fears of being cultarally genocided.Was thinking, we might could do something to promote their culture in regards to a school. Not sure what, but could do with something along the lines of a martial school.
>>541120D, Expand the mines,Gotta get ore for both the lasweapons and the shipyard.Also, when we start making lasweapons can we make the frame out of wood to save on costs?
>>541179>Also, when we start making lasweapons can we make the frame out of wood to save on costs?Could be cool flavor there, wouldn't do for our airborne guys tho.
>>541184Yeah, they need lasrifle carbines.
>>541120D. Expand the farms
>>541156>>541120Actually, can we ask Inq Corean to gently suppress the Astartes rumours.We also need to put a strategy in place to prevent further tithed regiments from running into the same problem, loose lips sink ships/planets. Maybe have our astartes take a step back from training and only work through intermediaries or with our trusted non-tithed regiments. Also direct troops in describing them as knights or something, make them out to be some feral world's vague (but Eclesiastically benign) superstitions rather than Astartes (or demons).Finally, can we get a summary of our current production in terms of>Frenzon>Population>Plantation + farms>Mines>Gas mines (IIRC we upgraded the gas mining capacity after we made the multi-year contract for our cruiser so we should be able to use the extra gas capacity to make additional purchases from the forge world)>Current manufacturing capacityThat way we can work out how much more we can regularly purchase from rogue trader +/- hive world +/- forge world.
>>541193I also think a resource and production summary is sorely needed now.
>>541120C. Expand the mines
How many gas shipments have we sent so far?
>>541204I think somewhere around... 7 units of gas, Cause we paid off the first 5 and we're currently working on the 20 for the cruiser.
>>541201Really some pastebins showing our military forces, production, and characters and relations wouldn't hurt.>>541193>Actually, can we ask Inq Corean to gently suppress the Astartes rumours.Couldn't they be chalked up to some Deathwatch that he allows to aid us?
>>541210>Deathwatch that he allows to aid us?If we know about the Deathwatch we could suggest it as an alternative to our astartes friends.
>>541193>>541210Stats and useful informationCurrent Worlds controlledTarkon IV- Farms- Imperial Shrine- Improved Frenzon Plantation- Primitive Manufactory(farm equipment- Modern Manufactury(mining equipment)- Iron mines- Gold mines- Military Training ground- Lumber Yard- Advanced Medical labIn OrbitImperial Class- Space StationUpgrades- Medical Bay- Advanced Defenses- Gun Range/Workout facility- Astropathic ChamberWe also have a mining station on Tarkon II, mining Hydrogen GasMilitary AssetsWarshipsEdge of Tommorow- Lunar Class CruiserRedline- Claymore Class CorvettePlanetary Defense Forces2,000 Elite stormtrooper bodyguards10,000 Mechanized troops10,000 Airborne troops10,000 Jungle troops4,000 Airborne mercenaries60 Leman Russ Battle Tanks60 Chimera APCS20 Valkyrie gunships1 Devourer dropshipWe also have large stocks of lasweapons and other heavy weapons in storageImportant CharactersCaptain Lorenzo Felix- Leader of our space forces and captain of the Edge of TommorowColonel Reynaldo Detorio- Leader of our mechanized forces, also your cousin on your mothers sideCaptain Salazar Masson- Mercenary commander of the remnants of the 854th Elysian Regiment, on longterm contract to help lead and train our airborne troopsSergeant Zachias- time warped Dark Angel, from the fall of Caliban, training our PDFBattle Brother Ishmael- time warped Dark Angel, trained as an apothecary, working in our medical labBattle Brother Gideon- time warped Dark Angel, trained as a pilot, working with our Valkyrie squadronXeroth- Our resident TechpriestDeacon Abrams- our representative from the Ecclesiarchy, very zealousLord Inquisitor Corean- Our friendly neighborhood inquisitorRogue Trader Alexios Tzavaras- Our friendly neighborhood Rogue Trader, can get you almost anything and everything if you are willing to pay for it
>>541217Well, it's something Corean would have to suggest true enough, but talking with him about suppressing the rumors seems to be a prudent course of action.
>>541193I am working on a production summary as well, probably will do it sometime tomorrow
>>541228Am I missing anything, also I am doing production as a separate page, since that will change frequently
>>541238The gas freighters
>>541228Thank you>>541210>Couldn't they be chalked up to some Deathwatch that he allows to aid us?YES!That's a perfect cover. We just need to make people think that.
>>541238What about our brother?What's he getting up to
>>541206>>541204Weve currently made 8 gas deliveries, but its going to take another 17 to pay for the cruiser...
>>541192>>541193>>541172>>541160>>541156Another massive plot of land is cleared for farming, with the crops planted immediately, fit will be a few months before we get any yields, but these new crops will help us expand our surplus and support future population expansion....You go over your reports and learn that your brother has gotten up to his old way, contriving a way to turn some of the lumber workers rations into alcohol making some sort of improvised still, hidden in the jungle...Now that we have Felix and the Cruiser, we need to assign a mission to our ships...(This is a write in)
>>541292Isn't there trouble afoot to our west?Having them do some patrols in that area might be useful.
>>541292Continue surveying the area around us.We still need to look at the South and West, right?
>>541295>>541315>>541292Lets do south first, the Inquisitor told us to avoid the west for now.
>>541228What about our younger brother managing the timber operations...How's he going btw?
>>541322Right, south it is then.
>>541193Teach them concepts of OPSEC.>>541210an we have the Inquisitor say they loaned them to us from his retinue? Maybe actually loan them a bit to Corean so its not a total lie.>>541228We have too many 10,000 Mechanized troops, and too few vehicles to use them properly.What happened to our other brother or whoever we left to work on a lumber mill?
>>541325>>541331>>541292>You go over your reports and learn that your brother has gotten up to his old way, contriving a way to turn some of the lumber workers rations into alcohol making some sort of improvised still, hidden in the jungle...>an we have the Inquisitor say they loaned them to us from his retinue? Maybe actually loan them a bit to Corean so its not a total lie.Would be mutually beneficial and further our friendship with Corean as well.
>>541292Chastise our brother for his actions and inform him that he has one last chance to run straight, otherwise we will take appropriate measures.Also, buy off some of the workers to monitor him for us.
>>541322Can we launch probes to act as listening devices into the western region?>>541292Patrol the nearest route to a trade-able planet to us, and begin trade.>>541322Why not... why don't we organize a mini-crusade against this new xeno threat? It be a great idea guise! Guys? right?
>>541341Y'know, we might could indulge him and set him off on building up a profitable liquor/wine industry for export.
>>541292Offer our Big I friend any aid he needs, while also moving our Brother once more or put him in charge of tasting the wine. Something useful...OR SEND HIM TO THE SPACE MARINE MEDICAL PLACE.
>>541339Yeah I posted before the auto updater kick in.So long as he promises to make sure to return them in good order, and to make sure he gives them a good story/background that works well with ours. It may also help him in his troubles in the west, earning us more brownie points.
>>541353I say we put some more effort into whipping him into shape, or else we have to face the shame of a family burden and dishonour.
>>541325>>541331See>>541292>You go over your reports and learn that your brother has gotten up to his old way, contriving a way to turn some of the lumber workers rations into alcohol making some sort of improvised still, hidden in the jungle...Also about our brother, this may sound crazy but what if we gave him the resources to make an actual distillery? If he is so passionate about alcohol maybe we could challenge this into something positive. Make it a challenge for him, if he is going to be a drunken fool let make something out of that drunken fool. Hell he might surprise us and make something we could export.
>>541377>Also about our brother, this may sound crazy but what if we gave him the resources to make an actual distillery? If he is so passionate about alcohol maybe we could challenge this into something positive. Make it a challenge for him, if he is going to be a drunken fool let make something out of that drunken fool. Hell he might surprise us and make something we could export.I'm for it.
>>541386We should make sure hes responsible and doesn't end up feeding his habit.... Duty first. Make him a connoisseur of sorts for fine dining, foods, and quality control.
>>541377I'm game, perhaps use him in the marketing, the deltoro seal of approval or something.
>>541377I disagree, drunks will say that every wine tastes great and are poor conversationalists.
>>541377While I'm sure he could run such a facility, I think he'd do so much more poorly then someone who isn't a miserable alcoholic. He does seem to have a knack for scrounging though, as evidenced by his improvised still. Maybe we should conscript him and put him up as the head of planetary logistics. Scrounging is an important ability for a quartermaster.
>>541377I think we had get to know our brother better before trying anything with him. He's got to have a reason to try to be something.
>>541292>You go over your reports and learn that your brother has gotten up to his old way, contriving a way to turn some of the lumber workers rations into alcohol making some sort of improvised still, hidden in the jungle...Send him into the army as a private. He'll either shape up or get his ass killed. either works for us.
>>541541No, we can't get him killed, he's family. We've got to avoid the political ramifications of his shocking failure.
>>541545Don't send him to fight, if he really is such a fuckup he can go peel potatoes back at base.But I agree on sending him to shapen up in the military.
>>541552I think the carrot might be more effective than the stick, if the carrot is used first. I'd like to just talk to him, see if we can figure out what motivates him.
>>541545So we put him on stasis and send him to the family home on Sanguinala?
>>541295>>541322>>541344You have Felix head south, scouting the area for worlds looking for trade, meanwhile you have the corvette patrol to the west, staying alert for threats....Meanwhile you try to think of a long-term solution to deal with your brotherA. Send him to the military, let Sergeant Zachias straighten him outB. Put him in charge of our winery operationC. Other(Write-in)
>>541562A. Let the sergeant at himJust don't out him through the regime with a high mortality rate...
>>541559No, that's a fail state as well. Also what a shitty present to give on a holiday, good emperor.
>>541562>A. Send him to the military, let Sergeant Zachias straighten him outWe can make him an NCO or even a low-level officer or something, but I think getting his ass kicked a few times would straighten him out.Plus the guard is dry in basic as I recall. Call it "rehab for the unwilling"
>>541562>B. Put him in charge of our winery operationGive him one more chance to straighten himself out before we do it ourselves, which I mean our men do it for us.
>>541571No, he needs to start at the bottom.
>>541562>B. Put him in charge of our winery operation>Warn him if any wine goes missing his being sent to the military.
>>541562>B. Put him in charge of our winery operation
>>541504This actually, supporting this!Also, how do our jungle fighters compare to Catachans?>>541562>C. Other(Write-in)Speak to him first, see >>541504 this before>A. Send him to the military, let Sergeant Zachias straighten him outIf all else fails.
>>541562>A. Send him to the military, let Sergeant Zachias straighten him out
>>541562A. Send him to the military, let Sergeant Zachias straighten him out
>>541562> B.we give him a fixed allowance of wine to drink based on how good he does. and inform him that should he fail he will be joining the pdf.
>>541622my philosophy here is that he would be working hard to keep his addiction, same as pimps use crack we will use absinthe to control him.we could even make an exotic drink to send with our troops, they will carry that to the front lines of a crusade, we could have generals grow to like the stuff, it could become as popular as gin and absinthe became during their height of popularity as the flavor of our planet. If we do that we could have nobility lining up to get the stuff.
>>541653Thats why I want him doing the wine. He'll make sure its the best fucking wine he can make/produce.
>>541622Supporting this idea.
>>541683you're going to have to vote for this to make sure the QM recognizes it. just a >B>>541670I was thinking of seeing what bootleg drinks he made are good and instructing him to make that, we're probably cornered on wine here.
>>539144It's cause it's 40k. There's ALWAYS heresy. Thinking there's not, that's how they get ya. You're thinking it's cool, everything's ok, then BAM! Slaneshi cultists. Or you've just gone through some purges, you know, sisters o' battle and the inquisition working to make sure the populace is loyal and your ass is safe in the governor's seat, maybe they tear off a few toenails or pop a few citizens what aren't singing loud enough in church, and no sooner than they packed up and went off to the next world, and you're thinking you're able to get back to the business o' quality control and employee training in the harem when POW! Your second best concubine turns out to be a Khornate cultist who knows some nifty tricks with a chopstick.Man, cultists and heresy, I tell you.
>>539144In all seriousness now, the hazard with heresy isn't a worry about political stability, it's that Chaos is seductive, and the question isn't "is there a cult" its "did we get them all in time?" When Chaos does its mind-warpery so that many people exposed to it fall prey, it pays to keep seriously vigilant and patrol shit.
>>539357I think you just named our cruiser.
>>541758>>541683>>541622>>541589>>541586>>541575You call up your brother to the station one day, and tell him that this is his last chance. You tell him since he likes to drink and carouse so much anways why doesnt he take over our wine export operation, maybe if he refines that stuff he was making in the still, he could sell that too.You know if he fails we always have Sergeant Zachias to straighten him out...You put him to work on that, while you attend to other governor's business. You are finally getting a free moment, playing with Tarquin, when you are alerted to a contact entering the sytstem.You are soon hailed by Johan Achilles Cicero, a man claiming to be the governor of a feudal world north of us, he says that he was contacted by our ship on its scouting mission and has heard impressive rumors about us from the Sector Governor's court.He wishes to purchase some wine from us and get to know us better....A. Let him aboard, its always good to have friends in the ImperiumB. Shoo him off, we don't need a second rate governor trying to leach off of usC. Other(write-in)
>>542245>A. Let him aboard, its always good to have friends in the Imperium
>>542245Let him aboard but be prepared for heresy and/or betrayalPack every room next door to the one we're meeting him in with as many axe-wielding savages, stoomtrooper bodyguards and Elysian veterans as we can.And put as many as the rules of diplomacy will allow in the same room as him/us. And our big fucking dog
>>542278Far out man, have you been exposed to the warp recently? Experienced any taint or come into contact with heretical objects? You are mighty paranoid. Although I do like the idea of introducing him to our war hound.
>>542245Why did we go with B. when A and B were tied?Could have done a compromise.>>542278Backing this. But not cramming our rooms full of men, as that will limit the tactical value of our troops, who need to be able to move and maneuver. Rather, have our highborn bodyguard nobles, 2 squads of Stormtroopers, 4 squads of our jungle troops, and about 100 airborne troops with a 50/50 mix of our own and mercenaries, all packing serious firepower.>>542281Never heard of gunboat diplomacy?
>>542301My bad, mustve miscounted, anyways he will likely be joining our PDF if he fucks up again
>>542301>Never heard of gunboat diplomacy?Not until this post. Funny what you learn about, playing games on image forums.
>>542245>A. Let him aboard, its always good to have friends in the ImperiumShowing off some of our Honor Guard and Tarquin sounds like a good idea, and I imagine he might like a brief tour of the station while we get to know each other
>>542311Also, let's pay attention to how Tarquin behaves around our guest. We might learn something....
>>542309Its a very fitting concept for 40k me thinks.>>542308Eh, I just wanted to get to know him, see some char development, and not feed his addiction, unless its to wean him off of the stuff.My city has a serious drug problem (relatively speaking) so I hate the idea of indulging bad habits and addictions.
>>542315>>542311>>542261>>542278You decide to allow him to board, but not before positioning your guards all around your quarters, as well as 2 bodyguards and Tarquin in the room with you itself.You make sure that the party meeting him is impressive as well, consisting of a dozen stormtrooper bodyguards in perfect formation, while you are flanked by two Serathi highborn warriors at all times.You can clearly see the man disembarking was the subject of some gene therapy, reminding you of home, getting that perfect tall blonde, noble look.The man seems to be dressed in the finest liveries and accompanied by a few stormtrooper bodyguards of his own...Despite his attire, he arrived in beat up freighter and his bodyguards don't seem quite as sharp as our own, taking a moment to fall into formation or stand to attention....He seems quite impressed by the tour of the station, commenting that you have come so far for only running the place for less than 2 years....He talks about how tempting it is to simply enjoy life and let the planet run itself, collecting the tithes once a year but otherwise leaving the natives to their business...You finally get around to dinner and discuss many things, notably politics and the goings on of local noble families...Using some of that wine you glean some useful information out of him, apparently he is the member of an old noble family too, and took over his planet around a decade ago.His planet is undeveloped, and seems to rely on exporting manpower and ceramite to the greater Imperium, he mentions that he can easily sell Ceramite to the local forge world, but they can provide little in terms of the finer things in life. He claims he sells lots of military equipment he gets from the forge world to Rogue Traders and passing merchants in exchange for Wine, Fine Food, Fine women, and implied drugs as well...You get down to business, with Johann asking you if you would be interested in selling a shipment of wine to him, hes also interested in Frenzon and the Tarkon leaf drug as well if we were willing to sell that to him.... You can get 1 item for the wine, and another if you are willing to sell him drugs as wellHe claims to have several things hes willing to trade for these items...A. Ceramite, needed to build our own shipyardB. A shipment of Leman Russ TanksC. A shipment of Chimera APCsD. A shipment of melee weapons, including a few dozen power swordsE. A shipment of hand selected men and women from his world, chosen for their beauty...F. We aren't really interested in making a deal with this guy right nowG. Other(write-in)
>>542359E, informants would be nice, but he might be a cultist so watch out
>>542359>A. Ceramite, needed to build our own shipyardCeramite certainly, I'm unsure about a second item, I'll leave that up to the other anons
>>542367Definitely the Ceramite. I'm debating giving him some drugs in exchange for Power Weapons too. They could really make out already melee-oriented infantry a whole lot deadlier
>>542376Thats a good idea, powerswords would be useful.>>542367so + powerswords on this one
>>542359>A. Ceramite, needed to build our own shipyardAnd D
>>542359G. Other(write-in)Express interest in a few things such as ceramite and surplus equipment he has at hand for the finer delicacies from our planet. Show him around the place, and make small talk on trade and throw in a mention of trade agreements or contracts. Then take him on a tour of our vineyards and show him some of our production facilities.When hes all buttered up and fat on the luxuries we can trade/offer him, then we strike the bargain and deals. Have us tailed by some of the finest beauties our planet can offer, and have them cater to his every whims with food, wine, delicacies and sex.This should make for us in a very powerful trade position, while our PDF runs military drills coincidentally in the area. Not to close as to disturb our conversations, but close enough to be seen, but not heard.>>542365Good idea, but I'd advise against that until we build up the local women to be smart, and educated enough to operate Imperium spy equipment and understand what chaos, heresy, and information to look out for etc.
>>5423592 years already? Felt like less than 10 months....
>>542359>He seems quite impressed by the tour of the station, commenting that you have come so far for only running the place for less than 2 years....>He talks about how tempting it is to simply enjoy life and let the planet run itself, collecting the tithes once a year but otherwise leaving the natives to their business...Perhaps when our business deals are concluded, we could politely urge him to take a more pro-active approach to governing his planet. He seems somewhat remorseful of his hedonistic ways, and having a productive ally might prove useful down the line.
>>542359>>542435Also, let him stay for a few days. Up to a week, while we treat him, not to lavishly, but better than what hes likely got at home.
>>542359>A. Ceramite, needed to build our own shipyard>D. A shipment of melee weapons, including a few dozen power swords
>>542359Keep an eye on this guy and what ever he brings. You don't usually brag about not doing your job with strangers and could be rivals.
>>542359this guy is a slaaneshi cultist
>>542517That was my thought as well. But he might just be a decadent idiot, neglecting his planet. Something to keep an eye on however, and possibly something for our Lord Inquisitor to hear about next time we see him. Maybe not until we have actual intel first though.
Considering that if heresy pops up on his planet, that will hurt us too as it's our guys who have to go and fight the heresy. We should make sure to try and nip it in the bud. Ultimately, our drugs aren't anything beyond combat stimulants. However, if they're misused, it could lead to heresy. We should tell that ecclesiarch that he should send some guy to check up on him. The drugs we sold him can make him do his job better if he uses them correctly. The alcohol can help him in diplomatic work. However, he needs a moral compass in order to make sure he doesn't fall into temptations of easy pleasures.
Also, it was a really good call to send your guys to send your guys to deal with the orks immediately. If the hive world had failed in repelling the orks, we might have faced an even stronger force.
>>542539I'm not sure we should do anything. We're a planetary governor, not an inquisitor. We aren't afforded the same treatment.
>>542541And it looks great politically. But yeah that was the general idea "if this planet is overwhelmed they'll eventually make it to us".>>542542I agree that it isn't our business, we can't really go stomping around in someone elses station and world and send off our Ecclesiarchy to investigate. That would be overstepping our bounds. But if we catch wind of anything more suspicious than his general debauchery and indulgence we should at least pass along the suspicion.
>>542539>>542542>>542546We could covertly take over the place, keep the head (Johan), but replace the neck to the body (planet).We should also ask our rouge trader friend about him next time he comes by. No doubt hes done trade with the guy in the past, and don't forget to celebrate the (first?)/new batch of wine from his own vineyards.
>>542500>>542481>>542511>>542453>>542435>>542421>>542378You accept the offer to trade your wine and drugs in exchange for a shipment of ceramite ore and a shipment of melee weapons, which will serve your Serathi bodyguards and officers well...You have the governor stay for a few days, as you take him on a brief tour of the world, spending most of the time in a villa near the vineyards, making sure to briefly fly the shuttle over the military facility during the tour, allowing him to get a glimpse of our PDF engaged in wargames...A night of drinking and whoring in the villa, leads to you growing closer, talking about home...He decides to invite you to a "social gathering" he is having on his station in a month...You tell him you will think about it as he leaves back to his world, contract in hand...As he leaves, youre datapad is lit up with a notification from your Astropath, who requests your presence immediately...You rush to the chamber, and enter alone, leaving your guards outside. He tells you he sensed another psyker attempting to intercept his messages, he believes they are human and likely somewhere within the sector....What do we do now?(this is a write-in)
>>542554call the policethis is an orgy wtf
>>542554Are you able to locate the Psycher? Get a rough distance? Can our Astropath psychly attack the psycher? If so have him do that.As for the gathering, we should go, we should find a way of recording it and as soon as we have evidence that it's heresy gtfo and call the inquisition
>>542562You gotta ask yourself, what would the Emperor do?
>>542554Lets play a game of Ask the Inquisitor!
>>542554>Call for our friendly Big I>>542570Forget he had actual flesh and blood children shortly after impregnating them all.
>>542554>none of my posts get quoted ;.;Can it be ascertained as to what messages they were trying to intercept?Raise the Alert level for the PDF, inform Captain Lorenzo Felix, to make a quick stop by in system to do some scans before returning to his schedule, and to check back in every 72 hours until we receive the all clear.See if we can set up some sensors and scanners to relay info back to us, place them onto nearby celestial objects and debris, things like comets that come and go from the system, and space junk.I don't even know if we can do all that, we may have to buy or request them from our rouge trader friend.
>>542542Well if they get chaos cults on their planet, it's us who gotta clean it up.
>>542570spetnaz style invasionkill everyone even the innocent ones
>>542579No, it's not us. It's the Inquisition. Even if they decide to use our cruiser and our men, it's their jurisdiction.
I've an idea. How abouts we contact the rogue trader? We could ask him to track down the psyker with his Navigator, because rogue trader navigators tend to be pretty powerful in comparison to your average psyker.
>>542584Yea, but I mean it's probably our resources that get spent on that.
>>542566Our astropath is too weak to track the other psyker, also it seems that the other psyker is deliberately veiling their presence and location...
>>542594this could be a trap
>>542588It will also make us look good though. Political capital can be pretty useful. We will be the guy sent out to some remote backwater planet who, in such a short time, rooted out and destroyed a cult left behind by the previous governors incompetence, built up his PDF to be a skilled and powerful force that helped stop an Ork invasion and then discovered and put a stop to a heretical governor in a near by system who was worshiping slaanesh.Pretty impressive.>>542594In that case I agree with contact the Rogue Trader. Also have our ships do a sweep of the system for unknown entities (although I suspect this is the work of someone aboard the visiting Governors ship)
>>542554Hold on sending any message outside schedule. We should try to prevent we don't know their presence yet. Apart from that we should do as >>542578 just wait before calling the captain as to not make it obvious we are reacting to this.
>>542599It also makes us look dangerous. A planetary governor, possessing a lot of skilled, loyal armed men and his own warship, who doesn't mind attacking other planets? We're looking like a planet in risk of secession.
>>542594Do they know we know about them?
>>542618Not really, our Big I could pull some strings and so the nearby forge world. Plus we've been meeting our tithes.
>>542618A planet run by a confirmed cultist is a planet that needs attacking. All we do, we do for the Empire and for the Holy Emperor.
>>542621Our Astropath does not think so
>>542578This part probably isn't necessary. This seems like garden-variety espionage, not trying to cut off communications as a prelude to attack. Knowing if the psyker is a friend of our new friend, tho...it might be time for their beat up freighter, terribly unsafe, you know, to have a spectacular "accident".Of COURSE it was Dark Eldar.
>New shipment of powerswords.Hold a tournament for our bodyguards and chieftains. Swords are status symbols and marks of prowess for the fastest and most loyal blades your service. Have the Space Marines instruct our bodyguards who win them in their use. Play up the mystique of "secret techniques of eons ago" (that's actually not far off).Also, begin rotating our bodyguards through PDF units, especially those on deployment. We don't need them getting stale.
>>542618Just means they will up the tithes by a buttload.
>>542554Within the sector, or within the system?
>>542641The sector, the psyker could in fact be quite far away, but this an intentional attempt to intercept our astropathic messages>>542599>>542586>>542572
>>542642Inform the inquisitor, ask him about options for securing astropathic communications. Possibly a focus chamber of some kind?In the meantime, institute the use of coded transmissions (if they're not already) and double-check our own code clerks for security. Then get back to the important stuff...womanizing, gambling, drunkeness, vandalism and arson. And building a freaking awesome shipyard and the economic infrastructure to support it. Try and separate that from the "traditional" native culture tho. Baby steps.
>>542642Sorry forgot to reply, You try to contact the Inquisition base over the vox, using an encrypted channel, to contact the Inquisitor, he responds and recommends we act as nothing is happening, while quietly preparing our defenses. He also has his cruise and a few corvettes, stealthly sitting in low orbit, if anything happens...You reach out to Tzavaras under the guise, of making a purchase, but request one of this freighters come to pick up a shipment of his wine ASAP allowing us to send a message through one of his freighters, which are unlikely having their messages intercepted, this allows to get into contact without using our Astropath in a way that gives us away....He lets you know that a freighter will be there in another day....In the meantime it is another day before our corvette returns from its scans and several weeks before our cruiser returns from its scouting mission...The next morning you are rudely awoken by one of your bodyguards, apparently 2 contacts have been reported at the edge of the system, using some sort of stealth, obscuring their identity to us....We've also picked up what seem to be encrypted Imperial communications....What do?(write-in)
>>542650Shit ok. Well do as he said and quietly ramp up the readiness of our forces on the planet, station and our ships. Do we have any way of attempting to break the encryption? Or perhaps seeing where the messages are directed to? Other than preparing for an onslaught I'm not sure what to do. Any more 40k savvy people have ideas?
>>542579Or maybe it gets put under new management. Our management.
>>542617Yeah, sorry, forgot astropaths are the only way to really do long distance communications. I thought we'd use radio, or lasers or some w/e.
>>542650>Act as if we haven't detected them as of yet but send a shuttle down to speak to the Space Marines, while our body guards are alert. >Have the Tech-priest try to crack the Imperial Communications and also our Astropath.
>>542667I support this, maybe move more men into the station itself.
>>542673No, because we don't know what they already know. If we send a message its more like us watching them closely still. Where as if we suddenly have a bunch of ships coming and going it'll alert them.
>>542658>>542650I think we need to hide our Space marines, They should leave with the rouge trader to meet up with our inquisitor friend, for a tour of duty.Start doing patrols into nearby population centers, do a large scale military exercise, announce this to the troops as a week of gruel and drool or whatever sticks. Look for any previous signs of landing attempts and landing craft. Put our stormtroopers or whatever elite troops suited to the task to monitor our Astertes, and the people around them. Inform them of the potential that they've been found.
>>542677>Told to not do anything different>Suddenly doing abunch of different shit thats loud as fuck when unknown vessels warp in/get spotted.A..anon, Please.
>>542677No fucking way are we telling the Rogue Trader we have Space Marines. We are on friendly terms with him but don't forget what he is.
>>542677Also what this anon said>>542679That shit is way to loud and obvious. The Inquisitor told us to chill and quietly ready ourselves
>>542681What? Got the posts switched there?>>542679Yeah Its overkill for trying to be subtle ordering military exercise, but I felt that they probably already landed some spies or something and wanted an excuse to "accidentally find them", but in conjunction with all the other stuff, its too much.>>542680I'm not too well informed about rouge traders or the 40k lore in general, for that I apologize.>>542677Gonna revise my post in a bit.
Shit did anyone archive the last thread? I forgot to do it, since I was sick the last few days.
>>542686They wouldn't be found 'accidentally' because then they'd be shitty spys. We simply need to send a message via a runner to the Marine at the medical place. He'll then take care of the rest.
>>542686>>I'm not too well informed about rouge traders or the 40k lore in general, for that I apologize.All good, that's fair enough. Basically whilst this dude is cool to us you can't really trust them. They aren't really beholden to anyone but themselves for the most part. They deal in all sorts of shady shit, do things for the Empire that decent folk wont go near, some of them pirate, cavort with xenos filth, and there is always the question of where and how they get all the shit they manage to sell. A good resource but not one you want to entrust the kind of information that could get us killed with. Having Space Marines hidden on our planet could get us killed so we can't tell him.As for the linking in my previous post, yeah it was structured poorly but I was agreeing with the other anon that large scale activity out of nowhere is a bad idea.
someonepls explain me the space marines shit
>>542696We have DA's from the Crusading Era. Meaning they are most likely going to be deemed 'Heretics' and tortured horribly before being killed. We're also gonna end up killed most likely for even KNOWING of them.
>>542698>>542696It involves a little too meta gaming. Just know that they are time displaced from an era that could make then Saints or heretics depending on their luck.
>>542696This is covered if you read some lore on the Dark Angels, especially the part about the "Fallen"
>>542693Ok I see. My perceptions of "RT" were skewered from the first 40k planetary governor quest I followed. It had some pretty nice writing as I recall, and a fairly charming Rouge Trader.I'm just refer to Rouge Trader as either RT or >Alexios TzavarasHmm, how does Altaz sound?
>>542702Its not Meta-gaming to know that abunch of Crusading DA's showed up, said Emp's wasn't a god and realizing how fucking BAD that is if they get free.
>>542702I just realize my post >>542677 acted on way to much meta info..... Goddamit!
sorry guys i didn't explain my answeri just didn't knew there were even DA hiddenbut thanks anyways>>542705>>542698>>542702
>>542667>>542674>>542658>>542693You have the PDF set to a lower level of alert and the station placed on standby as the two contacts approach the station....As they get closer the scanner reveals 2 astartes strike cruisersRecords indicate that they are the Wrath of Caliban and the Sword of the Lion, both registered to the Lions Defiant, a Dark Angels successor chapter....They get within weapons and range and broadcast a message to the station."Hello Governor, I am Interrogator-Chaplain Boreas. we believe there are fugitives hiding out on your planet. May we come aboard?"The Inquisitor warned us about these guys earlier, stating that they were secretive and untrustworthy...Unfortunately the Corvette is not due back until later today, and the only other ship coming to the system would be Tzavara's freighter.We can contact our Cruiser but it will take a few days to return....What should we do?A. Allow the Astartes aboard, let them check for the fugitive on our stationB. Reject their request(read demand) and ask that they get inquisitional authorityC. Other(Write-in)
>>542706>> first 40k planetary governor quest I followedWas there another one or are you taking about the 1st thread for this quest?>TzavarasYeah that's the guy, he's cool but as a Rogue Trader you can't trust him in the end.
>>542719There was one last summer I think, I followed it too, it was very good... but the OP dropped off the face of the earth a few threads into it
>>542718Are the Space Marines on the station? If not, then let them know and ping the Inquisitor on our planet. If so, Reject their demand.
>>542721No they are all working on us in various roles on the surface
>>542718Well I don't fancy being utterly destroyed so I guess we have to comply. Get in contact with the Inquisitor as well and update him on whats going on.>>A. Allow the Astartes aboard, let them check for the fugitive on our station
>>542719There were 2 other 40k themed quests, I think I took part in the second one.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Planetary+GovernorPlanetary Governor Quest: Part One #18282927 &Planetary Governor Quest 1 #39830611Worth reading, to kill some time between posts to fill any PGQ cravings.Also, glad to see this one got archived, but I can't upvote it for some reason, says thread not found?
>>542724*for us>>542691Its archived in Sup Qst
>>542731Yeah I saw, thanks!
>>542730Cool, thanks for the links anon
>>542718We can't stand against two strike cruisers. I say we try to cooperate.
>>542734Just don't binge, and focus on this quest first!I have no Idea how to deal with this. >>542718>>542718I think we should try to play the cautious Governor for now and send a runner or encrypted info to the space marines. Its too late ,and not enough time to get everyone to stfu about how we have 3 Astartes with us.
>>542730>>542733>>542734>>542719Not sure why these arent more popular to run, they seem to be super popular and people really love them.I have run some very succesful civ quests, but even the most succesful were not as half as popular as this, with posts hitting 700+ 100+ unique ids in the first thread alone...Especially with the glut of shitty civ quests going around
>>542737I really don't like Civ quests...
>>542718B. Reject their request, ask them what fugitives are supposedly rumored to be on our world that would draw the attention of two Dark Angels Successor Chapters.
>>542737Generally I avoid civ-quests but I enjoy the 40K stuff, you never know where it's going to go.
>>542737If I recall, there was that Astropaths quest, not sure what happened to it, seems like it died it the qm? I forget the guys twitter.
>>542742>>542739Ha I like well run civ quests... you guys can check a few of them out on the archives sometime if you are bored. They are good if done right, and you establish a meta universe for them, its very difficult to make a great story from a blank slate
>>542742Balls to the walls!>No walls in space>there is no end to how far the balls fly!
>>542741Come on! We couldn't last more that 10 minutes against those strike cruisers and who knows how many marines they have in those. We should cooperate even our friends wanted to get in contact with the DA at first.
>>542747Its a game that mroe or less requires you to screw over other plays, and you can't exactly do sneaky stuff like espionage or sabotage, raise insurrectionists in other players nations without being found out in the same post you attempt it.Take the Der kreiger civ quest, It was kinda interesting, and I really wanted to try to get into it since I like 19thC&20thC history but it was so off putting with how players seemed to get weighted votes on how big their political parts get per election, and almost guarantees new players will probably not have nearly as much fun if they come late to the quest.Not knocking on you or folks who like them, but just expressing my disdain for them. I don't find them all that fun.
>>542736>>542729>>542721>>542735You accede their request to board, but not before having an encrypted message sent to Inquisitor Corean and another sent to the marines on the surfaceYou assemble your guards and prepare to meet the Astartes...As you are giving them clearance to send a shuttle over, 5 more contacts show up on the Augur scannerIt becomes clear they are approaching the astartes vessels as well,and their identities are soon revealed as the Shadow Blade, Lord Inquisitor Coreans flagship and 4 Inquisition Corvettes.He comes over the Vox inquiring why 2 strike cruisers have been dispatched to hunt a fugitive, when there is a crusade going on a few sectors away and a xenos incursion on the western frontier.The Lord Inquisitor states that are outside their area of operation and that the Adeptus Terra has been notified. He then demands they join him against the xeno incursion, claiming their chapter ignored his earlier calls for support...The strike cruisers, do not respond over the vox, with encrypted communications between each.After a moment they seem to charge their weapons and you order the station to do the same...As this is happening another contact is detected at the edge of the system...Tzavara's freighter is detected warping in...With out a further word, the two Astartes strike cruisers back off, and leave the systemYou communicate with Corean who believes that they were concerned about the freighter escaping as a witness to their actions.He expects nothing to come of his complaint to the Adeptus Terra as the Dark Angels and their successors have a lot of influence with the high lords...He believes that they will likely come back, probably at our moment of weakness...What do we do now?(write-in)
>>542772Holy shit. Well I think it's time for our Space Marine friends to take a trip with the Lord Inquisitor here. He could use the help anyway, a mutual favour. Ask Corean for advice in how to proceed and keep ourselves safe. Also, perhaps keep our ships close by for now. Ease off on the long distance patrols so that we have them close at hand if things get hairy again
>>542718>A. Allow the Astartes aboard, let them check for the fugitive on our station
>>542772Talk to our friends our world is on longer a safe place for them.
>>542772>ask the Lord Big I his opinion>ask our space marine friends theres>WEAPOINZE and prepare to deal with a counter attack by the DA
>>542756The ones Ive played/hosted were similar to this format, where you jointly control the civ, and a few heroes...I also tried to do a basic pattern, like one or two votes on development, then an event, have the players deal with it, more development
>>542772We should certainly recall our cruiser for one.Best to talk with Corean about better concealing our astartes friends, probably do to see about beefing up our fleet somehow.Bit off topic but i remember talk of trying to aquire a tribe Ogryn, how could that be done?
>>542794Not sure if the native population would approve that.
>>542798Yea, likely not.Could always settle some on another planet down the line i suppose
>>542772Ask him if he has any recommendations for future actions and precautions.Ask how we can become a more advanced world without being forced to pay hefty tithes.I don't want to leave the Imperium, but the fk If i want to be fucked over like this constantly like this.Ask what the hell was that all about? They were about to kill us because we had some of their long lost brothers?Ask the Marines if they would be ok serving under Corean every now and then as thanks, for saving us from a serious 2 pronged reaming.Offer Corean a case (from our half) of the vineyard wine we make as a small, very small, but important token of our gratefulness.Ask if we could return some small favors to him. Don't want to be a leech towards him.>>542794I think they might ruin our tarkonian loveslaves.in more ways than one
>>542794Anon where the fuck will we find one of that?>>5427933 Strikes Crusiers vs 1 Luna Class, 1 Corvette without Big I back up.... What scale ship can be produced from the shipyard plans we found mate?
>>542772We should sit down with Corean, thank him for his help, and look into beefing up our defenses. Perhaps we should try to coordinate our forces more closely in the futureIt seems that we have made an enemy of the Dark Angels. We may want to hold off on all the exploration for a while and keep our cruiser and our freighter around in case of another attack.
>>542807Oh ya OOC, The DA will be back for these fugitives or at the very least to 'look' around for them by mass murdering any witnesses of them even being here in the first place.
>>542807While we're at it, we may want to consider putting our forces on high alert. Be prepared for a big counter Attack of some kind
>>542808I vaguely recall the DA as being incredibly big assholes, though that is largely the extent of what I remember about them. That and they hate Chaos a whole lot I think
>>542803It was only 2 strike cruisers, but the DA have many more to call upon if neccessary....Our future shipyard can build escort class ships, not neccesarily powerhouses, but they can be made cheaply and quickly.Over time we can upgrade to a bigger shipyard and build cruisers as well.
>>542812Fuck that leaves us at a server disavagte for the time being. We'd need atleast 3-1 odds and the DT have a shit ton of succesor chapters. >>542814Half of those we could't build yet and Luna's we could shit out as they are stated to be the easy ones to make. Our biggest issue is if they strike and kill any witnesses. We could then be labeled heretics by all those chapters and the High Lords of Terra love dragging there feet.
>>542772Also guys Im going out for a while and will not be making another post for a few hours so think about longterm things we can do, beyond protecting ourselves from the DA such as this>>542638Itll keep the quest interesting and help give me some ideas as wellAlso it would be cool if you guys expanded a little on Tarkonian culture, based on what we have already talked about
>>542814We don't have any hives, we have a low-tech feral world with a bunch of tribes and a single city that we've constructed
>>542814>>542818Expanding on this I could see our Serathi nobleman eventually trading in their horse for warbikes....
>>542818ya we should totally ignore the fact a Chapter doing sketchy shit and suddenly charging up to fire on us isn't a threat.
>>542821I mean you should talk about that too, but also general long term planning, you have inquisition protection... for now
>>542818Thanks for the heads up>>542820That could be pretty cool.>>542821He didn't say ignore it. We've covered it. We have our response. He said he wont be able to write up the next post for a few hours so we should focus on ideas for other parts of the game. Don't be a retard.
>>542822the last QM who said you're fine for now, fucked everybody in the quest over because Anon's took that as 'its fine guys'. But ya ya, I got you.>>542823How is being well aware of the amount of bullshit DA can toss at us Retarded?
>>542814For the more primitive areas, we can develope them to eventually make Bikes, and Tauros.I really want Tauros, since they can actually make our units properly mechanize on the cheap, and they are air transportable by our Valkyries. They would be produced cheaper and easier, in greater numbers than we could Leman Russ Tanks and Chimera APC's. There would be enough to ensure our entire force could be at the least, motorized infantry.We'd work on building up small ships first before moving onto the larger ones. With focus on making possible a merchant fleet secondary to our navy and civilian fleet much later on. We'd be building more Claymore Corvette's, then try and go for Lunar cruisers. As a stopgap measure we buy up ships when we can, or shell out more trade with the mechanicus for ships.
>>542825Acting like the QM told us to ignore a threat is what is retarded.
>>542829>Focus on other things>Not the most pressing matter to our Char's life.Okay, Well geez. I'm sorry anon that I'd rather we focus on the IMPORTANT shit first and then deal about 'fluffing' out the fucking local wild-life.
I really don't like the idea of tangling with a space marine strike force, inquisition help or no, we should try to find a diplomatic solution.Also>>542818In the meantime we should try to max out our food yields and keep recruiting jungle regiments for tithing. We can trade the food to local worlds that need it in exchange for construction materials and tech, while trying to build the population and industry on our planet.As far as Tarkonian culture I dunno, maybe they have mystery cults dedicated to the emperor, with highly ritualized use of the drugs we produce for ritual participants (under the watchful eye of the Ecclesiarchy of course)
>>542818>long term goalI'd like to see Tarkon become a self-sufficient military powerhouse. A world that is known for supplying the Imperium with some of the best damn Guardsmen around.I feel like we've been doing a good job with that, and have been gaining quite the reputation in our sector, but I'd like to see us develop further so that not even the DA can pose that much of a threat to us anymore. It's a high goal but if we work hard at it I think we can make it, especially with some help from friendly governors and from our Inquisitir friend.
>>542828Yeah I like the idea of a merchant fleet after we build up our defence fleet. That would be cool. Likely a great source of info about the goings on in the greater area as well. Tauros are a great idea. >>542831Go fuck yourself anon, stop being an idiot. We've had a pretty big, long discussion about how we are going to handle the DA threat in general. No one is saying DO NOT speak of it just that, in the mean time, there might be other stuff worth talk about as well.It isn't as if the QM is going to come back and decide "Welp, you fuckers didn't discuss it enough, the DA have arrived in full force to anally rape you and cast you down as a heretic. Game over". But by all means, make more suggestions about what we can do to protect ourselves, I'm open to ideas. Maybe something diplomatic? We can't really take them in an open fight. Personally I think we should ship the Astartes off with the IQ for now
Shipping of the Astartes is probably the best idea, but we also have to make sure that in the event that we do have to let them board the station that loose lips don't sink space stations.Next time we talk to the RT we need to order a bunch of different factory components for Leman Russ's, Chimera's, Valkyries, heavy weapons, and flak armor. I don't care if the resources needed to sustain these eats away at our exports we need to be able to build and replenish an army yesterday.
>>542817Corvette's are the current goal, and we can move up to Lunar class later, the rest of the ships is just variety, and potential options.>>542819I thought we were in the process of building one? Even better if its not built yet, we can have it designed up as a hive sized STC or something manufactorum stuff. City planning and urban density planning but applied to Hives to create a effective economy of scale.>>542818I'm just outlining a 10 or 20 year plan....>>542820I had a few things planned for culture and such but >>540252And the other post which might be in the old thread talked about culture.I had a small thing set up, but dice roll solved it so I didn't need to elaborate.So far I thought up of doing some camaraderie rituals and training, with patches and painful tattoos. Including some high quality equipment inscribed with the regiment and their names, and a motto of some cultural relevance.
>>542814Well, while we do need to build up our industry we'll have to do it slowly. Our world is a feudal world and the natives are already concerned about their culture being wiped out. For that matter i think we should take measures to promote their culture in some way or another to help smooth things over.And hives? Our planetary population could maybe make up a neighborhood in one, thats a looooong way off.>>542828Tauros and bikes would be excellent choices really, works well with all our forces and the bikes especially could work with the natives.>>542831Stop acting like a tard, he's going to be out for a bit and only asked us to flesh some things out if we like, didnt say shit about ignoring the DA threat.
hey guyscan we create a elite rough riders regiment, since we medieval n shiet :) ?
>>542848Yes yes as the other guy pointed out, I'm fucking retarded for wanting to talk and get a clear fucking plan for dealing with the DA and there succession chapters out of the way first then what the fuck the flowers exist on the world. I forget this is /qst/ and its reputation.
>>542847Regardless of whether or not we have a hive built, we can't fill them, we simply don't have enough people.We'd need to wait through centuries of explosive growth for it to even be worth it to build one.
>>541596Also since I have a minute to pop in and postI would say our troops are not as good as Catachans, but they are at least a step up from the average Imperial Guardsmen.They are well trained and equipped but our people lack the experience and military tradition that the Catachans have after they have been fighting the wars of the Imperium for millenia>>542825Id like to read what he did to you guys, and no Im not gonna do that. I had a had experience of trying to kind of sort of wipe out the game/do a major time skip and it ended horribly
>>542839Yeah I've sort of been up all night (Did i even sleep? No I don't think so.) reading and planning, and creaming myself over the fact that something other than Chimeras Leman Russes and Baneblades exists for vehicles. But mostly over the Tauros, I'm borderline obessed with them now, with Claymore Corvette's, and Lunar cruisers as seconds and thirds.I installed a bunch of games on my computer in just the last few hours.If I start losing coherence and making any sense.... lemme know. Or call a commissar.Speaking of commissars, do we have any? like on the entire planet? Or In our station? If not we can like make our own.
>>542848Don't worry about the culture I can work on that and build on it... I just need to sleep or something cause I'm starting to feel funny.
>>542836A couple ideas maybe about the Tarkonian cultureCould establish some kind of annual tournament/games for all the kingdoms/tribes of the planet to compete inMaybe establishing a basic school system that teaches their own history and culture in depthMaybe make a few kings some kind of councilors?Establish some strange blend of a knightly order and PDF commissariat
>>542856I'll look for it on Sup, but I doubt the fucker archived it. This was back in the wee little days of Questing before most got shoved here and died.
>>542860I did think about that since there are kings on the planet, our very own Maximilian Archulus Tiberius Valoran could be considered the high king of the planet, since he is governor after all
>>542852We have several hours to talk, stop sperging out.Had it occured to you that having proper plans in place for our future will in fact help to deal with any future fuckery by the DA and friends?QM didnt even say to not duscuss plans for dealing with them. Fucks sake anon.
>>542860i say yes for the knightly order
>>542860The annual games is a good idea, the school is an excellent idea.
>>542838>A world that is known for supplying the Imperium with some of the best damn Guardsmen around.I like that we should create a military academy to work towards that goal. Ask our astarties friends to help us build the curriculum so that we can keep training high quality guardsmen should they departed our planet.
>>542831I think we can do both, after all this is a discussion period, not a discussion making time limit, QM went out for a few hours. We will get around to it. Just state openly your concerns, grievances, and your thoughts or solutions to what you perceive as pragmatic or practical options we can take to rectify them.
>>542856I would be surprised if we beat them in quality, for the sheer fact that they live in a death world, we are in a relatively primitive garden world.Which brings up another thing, we can limit the level of industrialization and globalization to a degree by colonizing some of the other planets and putting our manufacturing bases over there.This would also help to prolong and preserve the original culture of the currently peoples planets (that still have living humans on it).
>>542864Well they consider us as such even if we dont ourselves, what with refering to our station as a sky castle. Having a few of them on hand could help advise us on domestic affairs.>>542868Im pretty partial to it myself>>542870Cant see how either would hurt really.
>>542873We should also Equip them ourselves, with Carapace armour and hotshot lazguns, throw in some krak grenades or something and some random support vehicles and mounted crew served weapons.
>>542877Would that affect tithing though? I think either way we are going to paying more to the empire but it would cut down on changing the culture of this current planet like you said. Only problem is man-power. We'll either need another shipment of hivers from the family or we'll have to take a chuck of the population from here and move them to the industry planet which seems kind of harsh.
>>542860These are all great ideas.We should also set up a local Schola - to help train the next generation of Imperial officials.
>>542884Well our last tithe had a decade of backpay tacked on, we shouldnt have much trouble keeping up now. Afterall, we could build up our exports to a surplus to avoid sending out men.
>>542881I could like if we could prioritize making great soldiers first. Making the hotshots and the carapace ourselves might be a longer term goal.
>>542884I barely know how the tithing system works. Apparently it involves judge dredd style space cops or something.
>>542897Essentially every year we are expected to give a portion of our resources (usually in the form of money or soldiers) to the Empire to help fight the good fight and all that. The more developed the world, the more worlds you control, the higher quality you maintain a world the more you end up owing. Basically success = debt to a degree. It's one of the reasons anons have been reluctant to go full steam ahead in developing the world we have (besides the culture matter)
>>542897Not really...http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Tithe_GradeGiven that we back-payed it, I doubt we'll have any trouble filling it in the future.To be honest, I'm more worried about fielding a space force to counter the SM's than our ground army. QM, could our station go 1-1 with a strike cruiser?
>>542900I know the year tax part, just not how it incrementally increases, the rules and laws surrounding it, aside from, occasionally send ships to punish people who don't pay? And just the general bureaucracies and minute details.>The more developed the world, the more worlds you control, the higher quality you maintain a world the more you end up owing.And what is the quantity of the tithe? What if we by technicality, did not have our major success on planet but off planet in space?
>>542900>>542901>>542903You guys really do drive a point hard.
>>542924well might as well be helpful while digging through sup, sense i was an ass earlier.
>>542929I'm just being ... something, I forget the word.Also did you mean a quest relating to this?
whelp I can't find the SUP Quest saved, so I'll give up on it.What are the plans or so far the most agreed upon plans for the Planet itself?
Could we perhaps look into setting up some planetary missle batteries? Or even orbital.Wouldnt be terribly effective i imagine, butcit'd be a little extra somethin. Extra targets for attackers at the least
>>542950Space Marine vessels typically hurt the most up close, so torpedo batteries wouldn't be out of the question.
>>542903From the looks of it, because we back paid, we WILL have trouble in the future, due to the inconsistencies and the discrepancy of paying our currently owned tithed and all the back tithe at once, they will see that there was a big change from last tithe and will execute us for it, simply because of that inconsistency and not bother investigating why. It might take them a decade to see it, but it will probably happen. More innocent and better reasoned Governors seemed to have met their ends due to this, and we are likely no exception.
>>543027They increased the demand suddenly and it was 'barely' met when the guy visited for it. We've paided it and should't face an issue.
>>542776>>542785>>542794>>542802>>542807You call up Corean and thank him for saving from the Lions Defiant. You offer to have a shipment of wine sent his way.You also ask him what the most prudent course of action would be....He tells you to develop the world and make it important enough to the Imperium that it would be missed, it would also help to make our system tough enough to invade that the price would be too high to simply wipe us out....He is kind enough to send us some schematics for some orbital torpedo batteries, not entirely out the kindness of his heart since they would help protect his outpost as well...In the meantime youve recalled our corvette and our cruiser and are having them stay close to home, at least until a more robust defense is put togetherYou also have finally received your ceramite and melee weapons, and can begin work on the shipyardAt this point we could either start a new project or build the shipyardA. Build the shipyardB. Initiate a new project(write-in)
>>543048A. Build the shipyard
>>543048>A. Build the shipyard
>>542860the tourney idea would be incredible, but it should be shown as a celebration of mankind and the planet of people that support it. A good idea would be a veteran from the campaign the pdf fought against orks as sort of a torch lighter.>>542950we wont be able to fight off a first founding chapter of space marines. all we can do is make a story with elements of the truth. >what we should say to them, we found a group of astartes defending a group of humans on a space ship, they both claimed to be from your chapter, spoke as if they where from the time when the emperor walked among us, they said they where sent to a planet called Caliban to help train their legion. I hold respect for loyal soldiers of the emperor, so I offered refuge, had a psycher make sure they did not carry the taint of heresy, and told them of the current age and asked their advice on how to continue with them.
>>543065>>what we should say to them, we found a group of astartes defending a group of humans on a space ship, they both claimed to be from your chapter, spoke as if they where from the time when the emperor walked among us, they said they where sent to a planet called Caliban to help train their legion. I hold respect for loyal soldiers of the emperor, so I offered refuge, had a psycher make sure they did not carry the taint of heresy, and told them of the current age and asked their advice on how to continue with them.That would be the worse than just outright opening fire on them.
>>543065Yes lets ignore the fact we were told be careful with them and openly admit we were housing 'heretics' that don't worship the emperor.
Y'know, furthering our relations with the mechanicus by providing more raw resources could help some. Give us access to some better gear, perhaps another ship we cant yet build, and increasing the frequency of ships passing through.
>>543055>>543061Production begins on the shipyard in earnest, but it will take almost a whole years worth of iron production and all of the ceramite to make.It is also highly labor intensive, with many pieces being made on the surface before being transported into the atmosphere.In the meantime you open up the crates from Johann and look at the power swords, there are a dozen munistorum standard issue power swords....One of your men on the station recommends doing a tournament, to promote competition and bonding amongst our people.You put out a call to every tribe on the planet to send a champion to the great meeting spot for a tournament.All in all 32 champions arrive, including one from the station, fighting as the Sky clan, one of your bodyguards, considered the best swordsman has represented them here as well.The first prize is a power sword, which is treated to a muted reaction until you turn it on, it glowing in a blue light and emitting a slight humming sound. You demonstrate its power to the natives by taking an old tractor from one the farms and slicing clean through it in one mighty blow.The native warriors previously mute, now clamor to see the weapon up close....They also will be given a privledged position as a high ranking warrior in my "sky castle"In addition leadership from tribes all over the world have come to see the event and a great feast and celebration is held....You also decide to offer, a chainsword and a position in your guard to the second and third place runner upsAs the "High King" of this land you must make the rules for this tournamentA. It ends with first blood, I don't want anyone dying of this tournamentB. Its a fight to the death, let the last man standing take the swordC. Leave each round of combat to ended at your discretion, or the discretion of a judge assigned by you...
>>543102>C. Leave each round of combat to ended at your discretion, or the discretion of a judge assigned by you...There's no need for two great warriors to die, but some battles should go beyond simply first blood
>>543102*to be ended, godamnit I can't write today
>>543102>A. It ends with first blood, I don't want anyone dying of this tournamentNo sense in wasting talented individuals
>>543102C. Leave each round of combat to ended at your discretion, or the discretion of a judge assigned by you...
>>543147>>543120>>543109The champions of each tribe are given a choice in their weapons, a sword, spear or axe, all some of the finest make on Tarkon IV.The fighters are eventually paired up, with each round eliminating a fighter in the pairing.Several upset victories are seen in the first and second rounds, with the massive and strong Serathi champion wielding a Serathi longsword, was defeated by the agility and lithe movements of a warrior from the Red Hand tribe, from the southern jungle region.Another upset happened when the Miner clan champion, proving quicker and stronger than anticipated easily dodged the swift attacks of a jungle tribesman, nearly killing him with a savage axe blow... All this despite the man being from offworldPredictably the Hiver representative from the town settlement, a massive ganger from the worst underhives is outfought in a brutal swordfight with a northern noble warrior. Yielding before being slain by the superior moves of a trained fighter...Unfortunately, 2 men die in the course of the tournament, while another is severely maimed, despite onsite medical care and attentive judges, the whirling steel took its due...The first day of fighting over, leaving only 8 fighters left in the tournament, another feast is held and you get to thinking how often you want to hold this event...(we only have 11 power swords left after this one, and you may want to issue them to yourself, bodyguards or officers)A. Hold it every year, we need new blood rising to the top and it will hold our people togetherB. Hold it every 10 years. make it a grand event that people spend years looking forward to...C. Other(write-in)
>>543188B. Hold it every 10 years. make it a grand event that people spend years looking forward to...This way we can ensure that Power-Swords keep there value and showing the winner is the 'strongest' While also ensuring we keep our men well stocked with them.
>>543188>B. Hold it every 10 years. make it a grand event that people spend years looking forward to...We are running out of power swords.
>>543192>>543193We can always get more, but powerswords are rare and expensive in the Imperium
>>543194Yeah, well then we should wait maybe 20 years or so.
>>543194I know we can but it still devalues them. If ever 'year' they get one.
>>543192we could send him off as a sort of commanders bodyguard/ champion of our troops in the front lines of the crusade that's going on
>>543230or not even send, just offer him the position, I doubt he would refuse a chance to fight against the enemies of the God-Emperor on the front lines. but we should probabally get a system where the regiment sends it back after the champ dies to drum up support for our units. This could be done, some fluff stated that supplies for a regiment could come from the home world.
>>543188>A. Hold it every year, we need new blood rising to the top and it will hold our people togetherWe dont necessarily have to hand out a power sword every year. Maybe once every few decades
We should give a power sword too the space marine Sargent
>>543242>>543193>>543192>>543242>>543192>>543193You decide the it will serve better to have the Tournament as a once a decade event, something that people will spend years training for and people will travel far and wide to see...The final 3 rounds are extremely intense.The Miner champion barely overcame the northern warrior, the miner furiosly swinging at the northern warrior who almost effortlessly parried his blows. Seeing the miner worn down, the northerner pushes the offensive, the axe proving to be a poor defensive weapon...The miner finally launches a brutal counter attack, catching the northerner off balance. As the northerner slowly regains control, the miner performs a risky feint, swinging his axe and forcing the northerner to dodge, taking a minor slash to his the shoulder, before moving his leg and tripping the northern warrior, forcing him to yieldThe Sky clan warrior, representing the space station and our bodyguards engages in a deadly dance of blades with a savage hill tribesman, both wielding longswords with deadly accuracy, the hilltribesmen wears many beads upon his hair, each a symbol of a victorious duel...The two fighters clash for over 30 minutes, before the Sky clan fighter, parries a blow, sliding his blade down to the hilt of his opponent, after a minute of wrestling, the hill fighter breaks free, swinging wildly at the unbalanced sky warrior... who dodges the swing and slices the hill fighter's hand clean off... ending the fight.Fortunately Ishmael is able to reattach the hand....The Miner is faced with his toughest opponent yet, a lithe, swift handed warrior from the Red Hand tribe, wielding a spear, he dips and dives around the miner, dodging axe blows and staying out of reach...He finally lays the Miner low with dodge, striking the man with a mighty blow with the weighted back of the spear, knowing the miner unconsciousFinally the final round arrives, with the Sky warrior standing against the warrior from the Red Hand tribe....Gandron the Sky clan champion and Verasuto, the Red Hand champion salute you, their high king, to the cheers of the crowd before the battle...The fight lasts for almost an hour, as the fighters stay at a distance, the Red Hand spearman defensively stabbing and striking at any movement, while the Sky Champion attempts to close the gap and get past his guard...
>>543188>BKeep it rare. Something for the population to dream of and aspire too
>>543306In a dramatic display of reflexes, Gandron, the sky champion grabs the spear in his offhand, as it is thrust at him, pulling it aside and knocking Verasuto off balance, disarmed and stunned for a moment Verasuto tackles Gandron, punching him in the face and wrestling him to the ground. As they wrestle its clear that Gendron has the upper hand, Verasuto is able to wiggle his way out of the grip and grab his spear once more, seeing Gandron on the ground and grabbing for his sword, Verasuto moves to stab him, landing a final blow. At the last second Gandron rolls to the side, the spear lodging itself in the sand of the dirt of the arenaTo the applause of the arena, disarmed the Red Hand warrior yields the match...The Sky clan champion, Gandron has brought honor to his clan and you the high king with this stunning display of martial skill.A great ceremony where a small crown of gold is placed on the champions head, along with awarding him the power sword...He will now serve as the Champion of Tarkon IV, until he is dismissed or slain in battleSergeant Zachias, watching the battle from the stands is very impressed and offers to teach the champion and the other members of our bodyguard how to sword fight in the Astartes style....Zachias is extremely impressed with Gandron's skills, especially when he is using Frenzine, landing 3 strikes on Zachias, against the Astartes 20 strikes against him, but an amazing feat for human warrior going up against a veteran Astartes.Zachias says that he along with several other of the top fighters would have made fine Astartes if they had been recruited as children....Pleased with these developments, you go back the station, resuming business as usual...You receive a private message on your dataslate from Ishmael, who was also impressed by Gandron, and claims to know some surgical techniques and other methods to improve his performance from his time training as an Apothecary, obviously not up to the level of an Astartes, but putting him far ahead of a regular human warrior...(the Imperium severely frowns on this sort of thing)He states that he would need to have some special medical equipment brought in and some rare drugs to perform the procedure, the expense reserving its use for the most elite warriors...A. Support Ishmaels initiative, let us make elite warriorsB. Decline for now
>>543334A. Support Ishmaels initiative, let us make elite warriorsOH FUCK YA.
>>543334>B. Decline for nowI don't think that we need any more trouble than a bunch of rogue astartes will bring us....
>>543334Ah, the near-Astartes gene modding. These don't pass to kids right? We'll probably have to decline.
>>543334Sounds cool, but I gotta say B.We should invest our money in regiments, not individual soldiers.
>>543334A. Support Ishmaels initiative, let us make elite warriorsElite Cyber-Swordsmen
You guys realize we could just pass it off as genetical traits found in a tribe right? Unless one of the bodies is cut open and researched?
>>543351Which they might one day, and then we're fucked. Let's ask Inquisitor Corean if he'd like the thought. Hey, super-stormtrooper retinue planet, sweet right?
>>543334B. Decline for now
>>543357as long as we never send them OUT and keep them strictly as our body guards. There should be no issue.
>>543334>B. Decline for now
>>543334>ABut only subtle things, very minor we don't wanna draw too much attention
>>543334>BLets not risk ruining public opinion while an Astartes chapter holds views us under a suspicious light
>>543306I say we recruit the miner as well. Good for representation, and he'll probably be loyal af
>>543334>ADO IT! "Frowned upon", i.e. by the public, not "Forbidden", i.e. by law. What's the point in having our own fucking fief if we can't do whatever the fuck we want?
>>543384Nah, kinda undermines the tournament. Let him be, he'll probably have some swole children.
>>543388Costs. Why invest in one solider when we can get another squadron of lemans or Valkyries?
>>543391Because that 1 soldier can keep us safe from the coming Spook Marines who will attack the station where Tanks can't go?
>>543397If the space marines get to a point where they are invading our station and we are on it we are fucked anyway. The best way to take down the Astartes will be from a massed army, not some bargain bin rip-off.
>>543397frankly there's not a lot these guys are gonna do against a bunch of Space Marines. Unless we can fit a regiment of them on the space station or something.
>>543404You mean a massive army... that somehow fit inside the narrow as fuck hallways...on a space station? K anon. >>543406If we give them the super drugs they will.
>>543407Dumbass, I just said we would be fucked if we are on the space station while its being invaded. One space marine knockoff cannot stand against a squad of them.
>>543407No, not even then. The only thing that wins against Space Marines in close quarters are other Space Marines, some Orks, genestealers, hrud, Daemons, and Eversor assassins. These guys aren't Space Marine tier, there's no point.
>>543334B. lets take the safe way for now and not create any more potential problems.
On a more serious note, we need to decide what we want this world to look like. We want to be "big" but these take all kinds of different forms. We could wind up a hive world with the right investment in mining and manufacturing, keep being a feudal world, with a heavy emphasis on the military, try to be more "typically" imperial, more tech, but at the risk of unbalancing the local culture.My thoughts are as follows: Hive worlds suck. Huge population resources, but without a enormous resource extraction systemwide, they're not sustainable. Feudal sees ok, but limits itself in terms of manpower (shit medicine). The high point is that the people you can recruit make capable warriors, both by temperament and upbringing. More "imperial", kind of a halfway point, has to me more drawbacks than advantages. We have the problems of running an urban environment, when we could get 90% of the way there by staying feudal with well-chosen offworld partners, or careful manufacturing.Which leads to my recommendation: We want to be a military power, but without shitting up the same conditions that make us fucking awesome warriors. This world stays feudal, for the most part. One continent, ideally uninhabited, gets all the manufacturing and a hive for the workers. The rest of the world stays largely as is. Other manufacturing can be moved into orbit, as best we can.This world is CHOSEN! Fated to be the forge for the emperors mightiest warriors. Hephaestus (manufacturing continent) shall be the armory of this world, that shall provide you, my subjects with the mightiest arms and armor to be had. And you shall know no fear. Valhalla, a continent for training and military, shall be to test and temper you! Regiments from offworld may be there to rest and resupply, and all youths between 18-20 shall learn the craft of war from the finest instructors to be had. Hearthstone, the "main" continent, shall be the cradle of these warriors, home and kindred to be remembered among the stars. Our own demesne on hearthstone shall contain plantations of frenzon and the other drig, and our vineyards. Only the most loyal warriors from valhalla shall Ascend, being granted strengths beyond mortal man using techniques from eons ago. They shall live in Gladitae, company-sized units of warriors from their generation (basically company sized units of soldiers that make stormtroopers look like pussies.)
>>543428The nice part of this is we get to start to be a partner for all kinds of people. Mechanicus trade tech for resources, and we get to put that to work on Hephaestus. Valhalla becomes a rest and resupply point for the Munitorium, and if we can sell them tanks and guns, more money for us. Putting manufacturing in orbit will keep from shitting up the world below, support the shipyard operations, provide a reason for a naval presence and traders, and maybe give us a bunch of people for zero-g units. The only thing we need to be careful of is disrupting the feudal culture below. Keep the finance industry OUT of the hands of the locals, cause as soon as that happens, the chieftains lose all the power.
>>543428If we're going full warrior we should settle for what the rest of the Imperium does and make it a fortress world. You know, like Cadia. I'm of the opinion we can stay an Agri-World and still produce hardcore soldiers, we just need to keep training. We should consider the needs of the subsector first though, and see what niche we can fill.
>>543428I don't like the term "Hive"; it implies disorderly construction. Unless this game goes on for centuries I don't think it is accurate to describe our planned cities.I don't agree that a savage upbringing makes a better soldier. History has proven that proud, vicious warriors loose out to disciplined, drilled soldiers every-time. The population boom and manufacturing abilities that come with complete modernization far outstrip any benefit from preserving tribal way of life.
>>543441Cadia has a massive, perpetual threat on their doorstep that justifies support from the rest of the imperium. Fortress worlds only work when there's a threat staring them in the face.
>>543428I think this guy is right by and large. I'd also consider forming a "Sky Clan" civilization in orbit as well. Training the finest warriors by land and by Air/Space would make us an excellent contributor to the Imperium and His Divine Will.
>>543453>>543428Come up with less cringy names than "Hephaestus" and "Valhalla" if you want to go down this road. But my point still stands: >>543446
>>543446Call the hive an arcology, then. I just didn't want a 40k version of Detroit.Discipline and drill are not incompatible with a feudal hierarchy, and I think you overstate that record in history some. Consider the roman empire. Still feudal, arguably. Has an emperor, had patrons and clients (lord and vassal parallel). What it ALSO had was a permanent military class, which tribesmen do not. And besides, a division of labor economy tends to destroy skill sets and physical fitness.
>>543446I'd like to avoid an entire planet covered in hives. I think being able to produce enough food to feed our own people and be generally self-reliant in most matters is the ideal. Hive worlds are not conducive to not relying on agri-worlds. I'd therefore like to head this eventuality off.
>>543460>>543469I'm not advocating to turn the entire planet into a city, in fact I believe we should have some conservation efforts to keep valuable flora and fauna around and plentiful enough to harvest.The Imperial Roman army had professional soldiers drawn from all over the empire, not just from this "permanent military class" and they certainly did not draw specifically from tribes that put an emphasis on martial ability. A modern army is supposed to be able to take anyone of reasonable fitness and train and equip them to fight effectively. Even if these troops are individually lesser fighters than their opponents, their level of drill and equipment results and ability more than the sum of its parts.
>>543334>B. Decline for nowBut we should certainly keep this in mind for when we are stronger, and have the power and influence to offset the troubles that would come from them being discovered.>>543428I like the idea of staying more or less feudal, specializing in specialist light/airborne/elite infantry units and such. Could always set up serious industry on another planet one day.
>>543421>>543381>>543366>>543361>>543348>>543338You decline the offer from Ishmael, and he tells you that we could activate the project at anytime, given if he is provided the proper equipment...Given that your champion, Gandron, Captain Masson and Sergeant Zachias are the only other people on Tarkon IV with power swords, you need to decide how to distribute the restA. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournamentsB. Save them all for future tournamentsC. Other(write-in)
>>543479A,We should also look into getting oursevles some dope wargear. Whats 40k without dope wargear?
>>543479>A. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournamentsWe should do some training ourselves. We can't be make an militant world and be a wimp ourselves.
>>543479A. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournaments>>543481I agree, we also need some fancy hats as well.
>>543479A. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournaments
>>543479Well... do we actually know how to fight?If so, then>A. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournamentsIf not, then:>C. Distribute them to our guards, and maybe the two highest ranking officers, with a couple for future tournaments
>>543479>A. Take one for yourself, and distribute the rest to your high ranking officers, and the head of your bodyguard, leave a handful for future tournamentsWe might should get in on some training from Zachias. Even some lessons from a wide traveled mercenary like Masson might not hurt.Our people do respect martial prowess and strength above all do they not?
>>543487Even if we don't know how to use it we need it to point at stuff.
>>543471I didn't say the roman empire didn't draw from all over the empire, I pointed out that the roman empire maintained a standing army that was a de facto permanent military class - the term of service was 20 years (eventually lowered to 16). That's a career.Also not arguing about the use of drill and equipment making an army more than the sum of its parts, I'm saying that, given a choice, who would you rather have as a soldier: a) Someone acclimated to orders by upbringing, physically fit from a robust life, skilled in the use of arms from a young age, taught leadership from personal experience, and steeped in the ethos of a military-centric culture?or b) A storekeeper/trucker/office worker/schoolteacher/machinist who decided/was drafted to become a soldier. 18 years of exercise, nutrition, and mental and physical conditioning don't get instilled in 26 weeks of training.I'm also saying if you do this right, you can have most of the advantages of industrialization (in terms of equipment, not total economic productivity) without the problems industrialization introduces.
>>543509What I'm saying is that you shouldn't worry too much about eliminating warrior cultures to industrialization. The benefits of the latter far far far outweigh the benefits of the former, and restricting industry to only one continent to keep the others "pure" would grossly cripple us. And anyways, we can create a military tradition of our own based off of professional Imperial soldiers, not backwards tribal warriors.
>>543519>> Industrial > FeudalThis is a conclusion, not an argument. Also, don't confuse "feudal" with "backward". Most feudal-type (not just "feudal era") cultures were surprisingly sophisticated.
>>543524Also, remember we're talking about the quality of human capital produced for soldiers, not the sum ability of a society to produce and maintain military at a distance. That's the rest of the imperium's problem.
>>543481>>543482>>543484>>543485>>543488>>543487You take one of the prized blades for yourself, giving one to your cousin Reynaldo, who made a full recovery from his injuries and is back to service, along with Captain Felix, and the two Astartes. You also give another to Landuin, as the personal weapon and symbol of the Captain of your personal guard.Leaving 6 blades for future tournaments...You decide to schedule a few personal training sessions with Zachias to work on your sword fighting skills, you received some formal instruction in your teen years, but you are long out of practice, and have never gotten into a serious fight in your life...With most of our workers and material tied up in the shipyard project, you look to focus on other issues, as you pull up your dataslate, you are notified of contacts warping into the system....You immediately detect the Inquisitors flagship, badly damaged, coming out of the warp, 3 corvettes spilling out of the warp right behind it....You have Felix and the Edge of Tommorow rush forward to offer assistance.Apparently the Inquisitor has been brought aboard the Edge of Tommorow and is being rushed to our medical center....You meet the party bearing the wounded Inquisitor and escort him to the emergency room, where Ishmael and several orderlys are prepping to treat his wounds, that appear be from energy weapons of some kind...He keeps mumbling a word that rings in your mind, as you are kicked out of the operating room... Necrons....Alright guys thats all I got for tonight, ill pick it up again tomorrow morningThanks for playing!
>>543524Feudal states are inefficient. The current clan system serve our short term purposes but we really should be introducing more and more bureaucracy directly loyal to us rather than to a chief. And I'm glad you agree industrial > feudal and saw that preserving entire continents from development was fucking retarded. Lets not do that.
>>543540Make that 5 blades for future tournaments I cant count
>>543540Lets hope it wasn't from a Necron fleet. Those things are seriously OP...
>>543540Thanks for running>>543544Feudal states are fun tho
>>543553Says who?I'd think transforming a bunch of degenerate tribes into a bureaucratic meritocracy would be super fun.
>>543544Dude, you're confusing total economic productivity of a society with the ability of the individuals it produces to actually make decent soldiers. Lets try to move beyond a B in high school econ, ok?(I notice you have no convincing counterargument to my earlier question about "who would you rather have as a soldier?)
>>543557You don't seem to understand that in a developed society the total economic productivity of a society does equal its military might and the ability of its soldiers. Martial prowess stopped being something we looked for in a recruit as soon as it was discovered a gun could be easily produced and easily used by just about anyone. Its not longer a case of "who has the most skilled warriors" as it is "who can get more trained people in armor, weapons, and vehicles".Therefore, sacrificing space so the tribals can live their lives undistributed when it could instead be developed to be more productive.is fucking stupid.
>>543556>Says who?Says me and a few others obviously. Rule of cool > min maxing sometimes y'know
>>543540Also feel free to keep talking about long-term plans, I ussually try to include the stuff in future posts at least in some form
>>543567>Feudal states>coolShit taste desu
Just woke up, glad to all the options that I would have chosen, be picked while I was gone.I'm going to have to write stuff ..... yet I want to procrastinate hard.
>>543572Sweet opinion you've got there anon
>>543565You realize we're known for some of the hard ass troops here right? So if we get rid of that 'warrior' culture and change there life WAY too fucking fast bad things will happen. If anything it should be a slow build up, and ontop of that the 'Chiefs' thing works fucking flawless as is. We're the head chief, they are below us. If they get out of line we DESTORY them. If we increase them to our level, boom that gap is closed.
>>543632We do not require having tribes to make quality soldiers, we already have experienced officers and a freaking Space Marine assisting in their training. Remember, we were able to make Hivers from a developed world with no warrior background into troops just as effective as our tribesmen. And yes, the tribal system works for now but it is exactly because they could rebel if given too much access to technology that we should begin desintergrating these tribal alliances and instead get the next generation to see us and the Imperium as their primary loyalty. Because if we want to make a highly developed world we can't just let a privileged few have access to advanced technology.
>>543632>>543565Both of you are making good points. We agree that modernization is the way to go but doing it too fast is likely to cause social unrest. We may not have any trouble putting one of two rebellious chiefs and their tribes but a general revolt could be very troublesome.
>>543655 That was a super stop-gap measure and you know it. We can't ALWAYS rely on that and if you look at the tourment thing. The 'best' hiver lost to one of the tribes 'best' warrior. Meaning our warriors from the tribes would be even best soldiers. While yes we should focus on 'imperlaizing' the next genertion we should only do it in the north for the time being near the guys who have reached gunpowdered and VERY slowly. >>543659 I believe the term is Culture Shock or something of that nature.
>>543659Look, I'm looking a century ahead at least. I understand the need for the transition to be moderate but our end goal should be a modernized, ideal Imperial society with diverse and largely self-sustaining industries. >>543661Just because we won't always have the Astartes doesn't mean we can't keep his training techniques. He had under-instructors who will be able to take over for him. And so what if a hiver lost to a tribal in single combat with swords? That isn't how armies fight. My point remains that having trained, well equipped soldiers beats our the band of primitive and ferocious warriors every time.
>>543673A band of highly skilled and trained warriors is far better then soldiers who didn't live there life fighting and dying you shite.
>>543673>Look, I'm looking a century ahead at least. I understand the need for the transition to be moderate but our end goal should be a modernized, ideal Imperial society with diverse and largely self-sustaining industries.We can do it in less time we can agree with that.
>>543683Calm down. It just a game.Also, no it isn't. not when they are drastically outnumbered, outgunned, and out supplied.
>>543693Yes it is because they can live OFF the land better then guardsmen used to having food and shite.
>>543695That doesn't do near enough to justify preserving tribal way of life in favor of all the benefits that come with an industrialized one.
>>543568We should try building torpedo batteries on the periphery as defense.Also, radically expand resource extraction and food harvesting to support serious military industrialization. Should probably found a few more cities as well and settle them with the outcasts of a variety of tribes to start breaking down tribal identity and better Imperialize them.
>>543683Chill bro.>>543673There is a trade off at a certain point for one with the martial spirit and discipline, etc.For examplehttps://chinadailymail.com/2014/02/01/chinas-deceptively-weak-and-dangerous-military/>At one military exercise in the summer of 2012, a strategic PLA unit, stressed out by the hard work of handling warheads in an underground bunker complex, actually had to take time out of a 15-day wartime simulation for movie nights and karaoke parties. In fact, by day nine of the exercise, a “cultural performance troupe” (common PLA euphemism for song-and-dance girls) had to be brought into the otherwise sealed facility to entertain the homesick soldiers.Generally, the PLA wants the rough and rugged hard working, and normally poor and austere type of soldiery from the rural areas, but they also want the more educated and technology orient urban people, who will have a easier time operating high tech military equipment.
>>543685This is 40k, I'm, honestly surprised a century hasn't passed already.
>>543565You ain't fucking getting it, man. Let me make it simple:1) The course I advocated had a feudal culture being trained and equipped by the best the imperium could offer, but not at the cost of industrializing ourselves, thus keeping the quality of our human capital. Superior warriors are thus produced. This hasn't been convincingly argued against, so far - you haven't even tried. 2) Thus, your argument has hinged on "well, if we industrialize, we build a bigger army anyway, so we win." Two problems: The POINT of this entire exercise ISN'T to just put as many butts in tanks as possible, Shit, history amply records that that's a shitty move, as a bunch of people who don't fight as a team gets their ass handed to them by those who do. Just look at changes in U.S. training doctrine after Vietnam, where they did regard soldiers as pieces to just be plugged in. Well then you say, "But our new industrial culture troops are trained, so they work as a team, and are as good as the feudal ones." Ya, man, "trained" and you wave that word around like a magic wand to justify how your proposed mass army with 26-40 weeks of training is better than people trained practically from birth. Training quality COUNTS. The fact is that an industrial society will make more tanks and shit than a feudal one, but will they prevail against a similarly equipped army with more training and a LOT more cohesion? 3) "Well, then, a bigger army can drown them anyway, so why not?" Cause it ain't our fucking job to develop the ability to create and maintain an army at a distance (industrialization and mass in armies). a) that's the job of the fucking munitorium, who maintains, supplies, transports, and gives orders to our tithe. b) when a planetary governor does that, they start getting looked at as a potential rebel.So does it make a little more sense now, son? The POINT of this exercise, from the role of the players, the rule of cool, and the role of our planet in the imperium as a whole is to make the most badass troops possible to fit into the larger army of the imperium. If the imperium needs tanks n shit, they can go to a forge world, who specializes in that kind of thing. If you feel like being branded a potential rebel, go ahead and try to develop the war potential to fight an entire one on your own.
>>543713I never meant to imply giving someone a gun and instructions on how to use it was enough, just that we did not require recruits brought up in tribal environments for them to be effective. We should still hold our guardsmen to the highest standards. And anyways, Imperial society is pretty fuckin martial as is.
>>543713Also fun or interesting things of note in the article>In April 2003, the Chinese Navy decided to put a large group of its best submarine talent on the same boat as part of an experiment to synergize its naval elite. The result? Within hours of leaving port, the Type 035 Ming III class submarine sank with all hands lost.>Best talent in the navy>ALL HANDS LOSTKind of Grimdark.>Apparently becoming suspicious that men might not have the emotional fortitude to hack it in high-pressure situations, an experimental all-female unit was then brought in for the 2013 iteration of the war games, held in May, for an abbreviated 72-hour trial run. Unfortunately for the PLA, the results were even worse. By the end of the second day of the exercise, the hardened tunnel facility’s psychological counseling office was overrun with patients, many reportedly too upset to eat and one even suffering with severe nausea because of the unpleasant conditions.LOL.
>>543723I got that for the most part, I'm just building up to something. I think?Honestly I'm more for a more intermediate resolution between the both of you.>>543632>>543655
>>543729I'm just not going with his full scale industrialization because its not a good idea. It will harm the world far more then it will do, not including the sudden Tithe increases which will strain our newly built shit to the extreme.>>543699I'll take Spartan's with Thermal lances and Flash-lights over Hivers with Flash-lights. Because there IS a difference between being trained for a few weeks and living as WARRIORS for years.
>>543720Jesus Christ, show me on the doll where they touched you. Its a forum game, their's no reason to get into hysterics. But anyways, I never really cared arguing about whether tribals make slightly better soldiers or not because its irrelevant. Dedicating entire continents of our planet to being tribal reserves in the hope that we can get a few hardasses is illogical, plain and simple. The ability to produce more of whatever we want to support an army and navy that is rigorously trained and heavily supplied is worth more than the best tribal warriors both to us and the Imperium. And I shouldn't have to point this out, but the notion that you can only have either STRONK junglemen Rambo's or useless, cannonfoder militia is ridiculous. You do not need to be form a martial society to become a professional, well trained solider. You just need, get this, training. >>543743I'd like to see them stand up to Hivers in an armored column.
>>543720>1) The course I advocated had a feudal culture being trained and equipped by the best the imperium could offer, but not at the cost of industrializing ourselves, thus keeping the quality of our human capital.I don't think we are trying to turn into a hive world. Just have a few hives based around the world manufacturing stuff, with the rest being agri-farmland, with notable regions and geographical areas relatively undeveloped or untouched in the area to preserve some degree of culture, heritage, and environment to shape the experiences of the people, particularly the more culturally isolated tribes.>2) Thus, your argument has hinged on "well, if we industrialize, we build a bigger army anyway, so we win."Hes advocating for more development as having more of our peoples good enough for to be decent soldiers. We don't need them to be the best, but good enough for what the trade off in loss of primitive culture that shapes a harder person to be the best we can make to, good enough that the differences isn't that great and the trade off would be for better capabilities planet wide as well as having solders that perform just as well, if not better in some cases. Just a different type of soldiers. Though we are likely to lose much of the jungle fighting specialization that the isolated tribes offer.I don't fully agree or support it, but I get it and understand it. I think I will elaborate on culture later on.>3) "Well, then, a bigger army can drown them anyway, so why not?"No not really drown them in bodies, see above for number 2. He's not really trying to min/max our soldiery, to up our building and economy. Hes saying that the loss of the culture and untouched naturel lands would be a worthwhile trade off, for what we can gain. And the soldiers that they can produce while not the best in jungle fighting can excel in other areas. Take a look at our airborne and mechanized forces. They are not raised in harsh jungle but are highborn or middle/lower class. They serve just as well in a different capacity.>the rule of cool, and the role of our planet in the imperium as a whole is to make the most badass troops possible to fit into the larger army of the imperiumWew, this feels like a loaded statement. We want to produce the material hardware to be able to defend ourselves from exno threads and angry space marines. We need ships and the like to do that. Having tuff soldiers that can hold out for years only serves to have our planet slowly taken over after brutal fighting that destroys most of what we build, or have us bombed from orbit.
>>543751Oh you mean the Hivers whose entire life had been mainly 'don't get caught doing illegal shit' instead of 'kill for a living' Also where the fuck are you getting these 'armored columns' from you twat? We don't produce people like that, our most recently tithe was filled with Flash-lights, flak armor and I think some horses at best.
>>543751>TrainingAgain, what was your reason for picking shopkeepers and truckers, with 28-40 weeks of training, to be soldiers instead of people with physical and weapons training practically from birth? Did you ever have a good one? Or was "drown them in a big army" your plan?(And no shit, it's a forum game. However, if you're going to use crap logic, you get crap conclusions. Let's TRY to do good at this, ok? At least TRY.)
>>543743I am in the same/similar vein, I don't want to see a good agri/garden world turn into Terra, or something too overbuild. That's why I want the major manufacturing that produces heavy weapons like tanks and atmo based aircrafts etc, to stick to the hives. Ultra heavy stuff like large shipbuilding stick to being built in orbit.And for the smaller cities and such, they would make bikes and Taranos, other civilian goods and vehicles, middle class consumer stuff, or specialized goods that don't need a "manufacturum hive" to produce. The tribal folks will have at most, towns and villages, mostly based on agriculture and ritual or sustenance hunting, if or when they want to form large communities.And turn some of the mineral rich worlds or that planet we found the Imperium survivors from into hive worlds or agri worlds.
>>543774It doesn't matter if you didn't grow up constantly fighting if you have tanks, air support, artillery and heavy infantry. What, do you think Spartans would be able to take on today's army as well? >>543786Once again, modern weapons and styles of war make it so you do not need to be trained from birth to be an effective soldier. Preserving martial culture is not a valid tradeoff for a modern society and well equipped armed forces. Your polices might net us some burly dudes, mine will allow us to build battleships. >>543797These people want to leave undeveloped entire continents because "muh STRONK warrior traditions". If they had their way we would have to choose whether we wanted to be an agri world or a hive world because we wouldn't be able to expand across the planet. Like I said, I support diverse industries which are not all heavy or military focused, but we should not waste land just to get a few super special savages.
>>543774If I'm not mistaken, Hives are pretty dam violent, with millions dying daily to shit like "Kill him for his fucking shoes!"And our tithe was solely manpower based, We didn't send them off with anything but maybe flak armor and a lasrifle. Not sure on the last part. I think I read the the Astra Munitorium Equipts our men, and sometimes train them.Departmento Munitorum, sorry forget that Astra part. They according to the wiki equipt and train them, we give them the best training because we wanted elite troops that can fight worth a dam, and we got some space marines to help with that.>>543786Read that, pic related.
>>5437701) You'll notice the course you just described was the course I described much earlier in this thread. He wishes to go industrial (not in the hive sense, but in the "imperial world", general 40k world sense, where industrial and urban areas are a common or predominant way of life.2) Quick question - has lack of human capital been a big factor so far? I understand wanting to go industrial if you don't have enough people able to swing a sword, thus you need tech to enable more of your people to fight. We don't have that problem. We also already have plenty able to shoot a gun. But by keeping it feudal, these people have a greater variety of skills (Cite: Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations), and have better survival and physical training.3) Yeah, I GOT his conclusion. He's done a crap job of building the argument that leads to it, tho. He's not explaining how his version of "make it generally industrial, and build it yourself" beats "Have one or two high-output areas and equip tough people."
>>543797I have no issue with a slow industrialization and build up to ensure the natives don't suddenly have a culture shock.>>543808So your saying some fucking Nigerian Teen who has grown up with blood-shed, war and all that other shit around him. Which guess what is REAL would be ill-prepared to take on an american teen with only 6-8weeks of military training. Really?So yes if Spartans grew up with there same shit, replace swords with guns I do believe they could kick the shit out of every main 'army' Not including special operations forces who are ALSO highly skilled people and have lived in warfare for years. Sometimes those Tanks/Air support/Artillery/Heavies are elsewhere because Imperial Commanders are stupid as fuck mate, read the god damn lore or some books. >>543831Hivers are indeed Violent, I won't deny that but living on a frontier world with pirimtive shit is far worse. A hiver relies on HIMSELF first and foremost, a Primtive relies on his TRIBE first and foremost which is the founding blocks of a squad. Holy fuck its late.
>>543808>These people want to leave undeveloped entire continents because "muh STRONK warrior traditions".And now we see both sides of the argument out in the open clearly.You want to progress, at one extreme, they want to preserve in another extreme.+Ja9rCuO Is a bit closer to middle than h9GAfgHV, due to concerns of loss of warrior culture and marital ability. Wanting to produce the best dam soldiers we can.I think +Ja9rCuO wants to develop the world a bit, but not too much and wants some preserves and wildlife regions.I'm more towards the develop the world more than +Ja9rCuO, but still not as much as you. I stated my desires and perspective here >>543797
>>543808"Effective" is a matter of degree. Yours will get us mediocre-average infantry, ok tankers, and no advantage over mine for anything else. Mine will get us badass infantry, rangers, recon, and cavalry.You'll also notice I was the first person to advocate for industry in orbit to synergize with our shipyards and trading operations. You might be the only one not seeing that I like tech as much as the next guy, but I'm not so stupid as to think rapid industrialization will get us anything but headaches.
>>543858Also, that industrialization will destroy the way of life that gets us that badass human capital to begin with. You're still waving "training" around like Harry Potter's dick.
with all this talk about feudal societies or becoming a hive world, perhaps we should try to get sort of city-states, each competing to put out the best troops. creating a culture of outdoing each-other to serve the emperor, all to create better troops.We have the games in place to begin that culture, like the Greek Olympics it was set up to promote the martial spirit of the Greeks. starting with the marathon races but evolved into a torny with many games of martial capabilities prided by them. ours could evolve from just the sword fighting torny to include a faux grenade throwing, or endurance contest where competitors train to run carrying a heavy back pack to simulate running under fire towards an objective.
>>543845I have explained, rather clearly, how lots of industry + lots of well trained guardsmen > fierce savages with above-average fitness. Your just being willfully ignorant at this point.>>543858>Mediocre-average infantryWe have a literal space marine as our head drill sergeant and a slew of highly experienced officers to draw up a variety of different training regimes, You are pulling this out of your ass. And that shipyard still needs terrestrial factories, a lot of them in fact. Perhaps an entire continents worth. A continent you would waste in the hopes of finding an Arnold every now and then. >>543861See above.
>>543428>>543857He wants a literal continent to be left undeveloped. I am not exaggerating.
>>543866>All people who including ones who haven't grown up in situations where they are constantly pushed to the limits are just as good as those that have.>Those that have constantly been pushed to the limits haven't evolved to further there own limits to make it easier on there bodiesI bet you think each human is the same and has no genetic differences what so ever right?
>>543870Which continent? The one that's a giant military reserve? Or the one with the bulk of our population? Or the one with all our factories and an arcology?Can you read?
>>543845>1.Yes, I think we are closer to the middle ground here. I don't build out in a urban sprawl type of way, but build up with hives doing most of the heavy manufacturing on planet. Its kinda like lateral vs longitudinal. I want the later....>2.I'm not concerned with human capital, but rather having a solid manufacturing base laterally on planet, like America had in the 50s to 70s, and longitudinal with higher end aerospace stuff (NASA, Boeing) for hives, and shipyards. The lateral manufacturing will be focus on the more developed peoples areas, spread out, not too concentrated, to hives with higher end production build going upwards ,not just in architecture but also in technology base and knowledge, and a culture closer to ours/Imperium.>Adam Smith's The Wealth of NationsIf you can give a quick summary since I'm short on time, and probably won't get to read this for a few months due to backlog of all the other stuff I have.3.Somewhat but, that doesn't mean you disparage him for it. Give him honest to god constructive criticism instead of coming off with what feels more like ad homins.
>>543854A Nigerian child certainly isn't going to be able to stand up to 3 basically trained Americans with tanks, artillery, and air support. Even if he himself is equipped like them. >>543873Do genetics make you bullet-proof? If not they will only make you a marginally better solider in modern battlefields.
>>543880>One continent, ideally uninhabited, gets all the manufacturing and a hive for the workers. The rest of the world stays largely as isCan you?
>>543866>I have explained....Where?>We have a literal...Yep, and he'll do a badass job of training a population he already thinks would have made good space marines. Betcha he wouldn't have said that about urban dwellers.>Terrestrial factories...eh, maybe. Depends on the need for raw materials. See earlier comment on a continent for industrial work.Really, man? CAN you read?
>>543854>I have no issue with a slow industrialization and build up to ensure the natives don't suddenly have a culture shock.I wanted this to, over the course of decades, (20yrs?) Ideally withhold long live rejuvenation stuff or whatever. To introduce a new evolved culture. (I'm really procrastinating on writing that little essay I was thinking about.)But pragmatism tends to win out in the face of our death or extermination.
>>543897>Where?>CAN you readTake projecting elsewhere. Your shitting up our thread.
>>543888Black Hawk Down, Abunch of people shot down one of the US most advance choppers not once but twice. Tell me hows your 'muh 8 weeks of training' to abunch of people who live in a war zone?>Stronger muscles>Better eyesight>Quicker reflexes>Able to go farther distances via walking/running>Skin is most adjusted to shitty weatherVS >Weaker muscles due to not having to lift as much on a day to day bases for generations>Eyesight would get worse due to manmade light>Doubtful with all the LOUD FUCKING NOISES. The ear would evolve to actually dampen sound if possible sense it'd be damaged otehwises>Wouldn't be used to far walks/runs or able to do it nearly as long due to weaker muscles>Skin would need to get adjusted to constant exposure and they'd die before it most likely. >>543903>>543897I'm alright with having orbital factories and stuff or 'cities/hives' on each content where people who want to do forging/mining/ect would go. But full scale industrialization without getting the Long-life rejuvenation will destory the shit here.
>>543911Oh , and what was the death toll for the better TRAINED better EQUIPPED force vs the genetically "superior" one?>19 killed Americans> to 300 killed Somalians by the most conservative estimatesThe only reason such a big deal was made about the casualties was because America is extremely casualty averse. The Imperium, not so much.
>>543884>Wealth of nations:In part 1 of that book, Smith noted three factors making a division of labor economy (an industrial one) ENORMOUSLY productive, more more than would have been thought. In that section, he also noted that, for the same income bracket, rural dwellers were considerably more skilled than urban dwellers, as they participated less in a division-of-labor lifestyle. Think about it - you live on a farm, you have to be able to tend animals, plant and harvest crops, preserve food, build sheds and buildings, diagnose illnesses, bargain with merchants and neighbors, and do all this with less infrastructure. A person with a similar income living in a city just has to know his little bit of the economy (i.e. shoemaking) and how to buy food. My conclusion relevant to this thread is that rural dwellers tend to be tougher and with a wider range of skills. 2) The above is exactly why I DON'T want manufacturing to be a big way of life on Tarkus IV. If our chief strategic goal right now is to develop the ability to raise quality troops and increase the flexibility/range of our existing strategic alternatives, the last thing we need is to kill the conditions that make superior human capital, when we can develop a high output industrial facility using a small fraction of our landmass and population (especially if we stick to military goods, instead of housewares).I mean, seriously. The people were pretty happy before we showed up. Aside from introducing modern medicine, which will boost the population growth enough to allow us to raise the armies we want, what's the upside in teaching them how to make radios as a way of life, when we can have servitors and a few workers do so a continent away? We still get the armies we want anyways.
>>543920Oh shit, I wasn't aware I'm play COD where K/D matters. I thought it was skills and the ones who lived in the war zone that didn't USE cover because it was deemed 'cowardly' still took down 19 Americans with the best kit and shit they had.Now lets give them the same KIT, and also those war zone fucks american training and redo the sitution. Pretty sure they'll kill MORE americans with LESS casualties.
>>543896Yes, I can read you were quoting me from earlier...did you HAVE a point? And including the other two aspects of the quote make you look more honest.>>543905"Our". Lol. Membership determined by you. Grow up.
>>543920I also didn't state they were 'genetically' superior mate, I showed you a primtive force compared to the American army still did more damage then anybody expected and fucked up quite abit of our shit.Its an example and I will never say blacks are superior in anything besides short term muscle reaction which is a fact.
>>543854>A hiver relies on HIMSELF first and foremost, a Primtive relies on his TRIBE first and foremost which is the founding blocks of a squad. It also forms the block of ethnic identity and tribal warfare, genocide, war and conflict for resources. For that tribe.Its a different kind of violence, One is based more on what group your with ethnically. The other is based on who your against in socially.Of course there are hives who form social gangs and hierarchy which wage similar forms of conflict.>>543861I will argue, that with Space marines as our lead driller and instructor, that not even tribal can beat them in brutal hard training regime.I hate to use another china example but take a look at the Korean war. The Chinese People's Volunteer Army, People's Liberation Army and Korean People's Army, often had 20 year veterans of conflict from various wars, The overthrew the last dynasty, fight the warlords, the civil war, second Sino-Japanese war, which become eclipsed by the second world war, followed by the conclusion of the resumed civil war. So this was a well disciplined, trained, and motivated army, that had men and women who grew in in a world were they only knew death and conflict from 1911-1949 (some with conflicts from before that). They grew up in a broken world.But in Korean facing American overwhelming material superiority, firepower and technology they lost a huge amount of manpower and veteran forces to many green American and other international forces (they all had veterans from ww2 tho, but most were sent home, some stayed, others go transferred etc.)Fk outta time.So this shows that even having an insanely experienced, hardened, disciplined, numerically superior army, still comes out with disparity effectiveness, when your opponent has such technological and material advantages.Another example on the other side of the coin possibly, was first American gulf war. The armies of America and Saddam were seemingly comparable on paper, Saddam had a "million strong" army, and tanks and materials greater than what America fielded to fight the conflict. But Saddam still lost hard very fucking hard, to a well trained and technologically more advanced nation. Even Soviet advisers and military experts, including Americans were expecting a much more bloody slug-fest, than the ROFL WTF LAMO curbstop that occurred.And Saddam was only 1 generation behind in tanks and planes.Gotta go, will write a conclusion if I one is needed? I forget my point.
>>543929I don't want illiterates in the thread making poor decision. You bring it down for everyone. >>543927>K/D>Not mattering in war>>543930If anything, this just shows how much more important technology can be. If the Somalians did not have the weapons, such as the RPG they used to shoot down the Blackhawk, they would have been crushed. The gun is a might equalizer. And yes, I'm sure if they were given the same equipment and training they would be able to go toe to toe with the Americans. Because it is equipment and training that count.
>>543945Ya, now put the tribals in that position. Even more fucking insane soldiers. >>543950So then why do you not understand a race of humans on a planet forced for 1000's of years would be better soldiers then hivers?Also Nazi Germany had the highest K/D in any war, still lost mate.
>>543958I'm not saying they wouldn't make better soldiers, I am saying that it is not worth preserving their land for them to keep their way of life because industrialization will allow us to make a better and bigger army. The reason you can't have >>543945with all tribals is because we would have to keep land occupied by them undeveloped, which means none of the awesome firepower, technology, or material surpluses which has made the United States so successful against more experienced armies.
>>543985You realize there's a firm divide between the North and South right? We can industlize the north where all the castles and 'civilized' people live. These guys can make our weapons/armor/ectBut the South is where the better soldiers are and were we should draw our tithes from.
I just want to say that running a feudal/techno barbarian world sounds fun and that's what I'm here for, some industrialism is cool and all but fuck off with turning the planet into a hiveworld and having industry out the ass.If you want to play a generic advanced industrial 40k game go play that
>>544005I'm all for a Techno Barbarian world/Feudal/city state as long as we can keep shite in space to produce our fleet and/or useful for trade.
>>543992Marginally better recruits (not better soliders, just better recruits) in exchange for HALF of our planet? >>544005Industry doesn't just mean smoke belching factories. It also means farms, mines, lumber mills, and basically anything else that makes the land more productive.
>>544007Yea, we shouldn't have issue supporting a small scale space industry, and as it goes if we can up our resource extraction we can trade with the mechanicus and others for fancy big ships and the like. Going with fuck off big plantations and mining operations would seem to fit in pretty well.>>544013We do have those things, you know. You want to erase the flavor this planet gives the quest in exchange for efficiency, I don't agree with that course of action.
>>544013Its more then just marginally better. They have generation become genetically superior compared to normal fuckers due to the planets conditions. We can make up for with the fact we have a whole fucking solar system.>>544028Indeed plus as I said about we have a whole fucking solar-system. We're already exporting gas to a local forge world for the time being.
>>544013Guess Catachan was doing it wrong then. They should have industrialised and just made it a Hiveworld and just churn out a gorrillion solders and the quality would be the same because only training and equipment matters.
>>544028We have those things in an exceedingly limited capacity. We must expand them because they are the base from which we can build more complex industries. I don't see why you are against making things more efficient, and believe me this planet isn't loosing it's "flavor" anytime soon. Integrating the tribes is going to be a constant challenge and story-point for this quest, I believe.>>544041There was never anything that said they were genetically better.And having a solar system give me an idea. We can drop the really feral tribes unto a planet and leave them to their own devices and then pickup the best ones for whatever you want. >>544049Catachan is Catachan because it is untamable not because people want to keep it that way. The soldiers are just a happy accident.
>>543945It's interesting that you should pick that time and that part of the world - I've got a MA in National Security Studies, focusing on the Far East. :)You raise some interesting points, which I would like to rebut. If I understand it correctly, you're making the case that during the Korean war, hardened Chinese/Korean troops suffered staggering casualties from US forces, although, from our earlier argument, it would be expected that the harder troops would demonstrate a greater combat effectiveness. However, the green U.S. troops inflicted staggering casualties, thus indicating that technology and material advantages are superior to conditioning and motivation.Unfortunately, your example doesn't really apply to the argument at hand. The disagreement is about whether or not more capable troops are made from people from a feudal lifestyle, with a lifetime of experience with physical hardship, exposure to violence and warfare, but equipped to imperial standards and instructed as needed, including the use of combined arms, or from urban dwellers, similarly equipped and with competent training (the same training the rural dwellers undergo, with allowances for physical capacity), but without this lifetime of conditioning. One school of thought feels that the sacrifices in personal toughness and skills are worth gaining the ability to manufacture large numbers of mechanized units, while the other school does not dismiss forming mechanized units, but wants to do so in a way that preserves the original advantages of this world.If you remember the Korean War correctly, the U.S. very nearly lost, being pushed back to the Pusan perimeter, after a long and humiliating retreat from the Chosun reservoir. The U.S. troops were surrounded there, and it was only after a, frankly, insane maneuver by Macarthur, landing troops in what was a suicidal spot for an amphibious landing, that the U.S. fortunes of war turned. As a leader is such a singular thing that generalizations about one way of life over another cannot be drawn from it, the lesson that can be drawn from this example is that light infantry cannot expect to attack entrenched troops with ample support and combined arms without staggering casualties. The thought that even in this thread this is not so has never been argued. Another relevant lesson, is that the U.S. still nearly lost, and would have had Macarthur not had an attack of spontaneous dementia. Conducting a nearly successful campaign using what were peasant soldiers (with all the accompanying deficiencies in logistics, fire support, and medical care) against a mechanized force, even a green one, should give you food for thought. Imagine if the Chinese HAD been mechanized.You're quite correct about the strife in China at that time - the guerilla war leading up to the creation of the PRC was an extraordinary harsh one. HoweverHowever, we are talking about two different things. I advocate for maintaining a way of life
>>544059>I don't see why you are against making things more efficientThis isn't efficiency questThis is a 40k quest
>>544060>You're quite correct about the strife in China at that time - the guerilla war leading up to the creation of the PRC was an extraordinary harsh one. However>However, we are talking about two different things. I advocate for maintaining a way of lifeDidn't scroll down far enough. Forgot these were there. My bad.
>>544059>we should move these people who existed here for god knows how long because we want the land of a world not even rich in mineralsMate, we have ANOTHER world full of minerals and perfect for industry. This world ain't it.
>>544063I fail to see how those things are mutually exclusive. n fact I'd say ruthless efficiency is a trope often seen in 40k.
>>544070Rule of cool is pretty much law in 40k man, what are you talking about
>>544072Savages are not cool.
>>544072This. Pick any picturesque period in history, 40k goes for it. They just happen to love a lot of WWI.
>>544075As hard as this may be for your to accept, your opinion is not law
>>544097Neither is yours.
>>544102Yeah, see the thing is I'm not trying to change things to fit my opinion. I am here because I find what is already here cool.
>>544102>3 opinions for not industrialing>1 for full scale balls to the wallsUh mate. 3 beats 1.
>>544114I'm not trying to change shit, just propose a different way forward. >>544117I can't help that people are stupid.
>>544131People are stupid because they disagree with your opinion?
>>544131>everyone but me is stupid
>>544139No. Because they disagree with fact.I can't stop them if they want to go down the le ebin warrior race route, and the GM will probably humor them, he seems very lenient. But it is objectively a stupid decision to not modernize your planet to save some favorable traits seen in the native population.>>544147In this case I'm afraid that it is very much true.
>>544156So then yes. You think your opinionis superior and there opinion and choices aren't. Well fair enough anon, no point in trying to debate anything. Rest well.
>>544147Oooh. Rookie mistake, going "ur stoopid" is DEATH in 4chan.
>>544156We're having fun, it's 40k not super serious landFucking autist
>>544156Thankfully noone want your le ebin generic industrialised world. Go find a quest that has it if you want that.
So what I gather is some want the world to turn into a generic imperial world, that supplies above average manpower.The other side is that keep the feudal world or at most minor changes and have also above average manpower, but more specialty classes. E.G. jungle fighters.Population density is not a real factor because if masses of conscripts where needed, well that is what a hive world is for.Industrialization is also not a big deal as we have a forge world nearby or we could turn that other planet into one. Remember we can sell that gas to the forge for anything we want.Is this a fair summery?
>>544201That seems tk sum it up. I'm okay for city state modernizing the north. We have a planet rip for mining and industlizing and we could turn this world into a warrior/argi world.
>>544201Not quite. The discussion holds that the feudal world would tend to produce tougher troops across the board because of the lifestyle they are drawn from. Not Catachan, exactly, but tough, nonetheless. Part of this campaign is keeping our position as governor by increasing the range and effectiveness of various strategic alternatives. That's why we keep wanting mobile and hard-hitting military forces, increased trade, more things to make, and new allies.
>>544215In 40k all the 'cool' worlds have strife, with out feudal ours would not have any.I think that if we make tribes or a region have a particular focus E.G. the plains have tanks, Mountains Valkyries, ect. This would be what we want, a little bit of everything all trained to a high standard, brought up tough, not loosing the 'Culture'.
>>544244Not bad. That would lend itself to an Olympics where different regiments from different regions would compete in the different skills of a warrior (marksmanship, endurance, "spirit" - yelling loud, strength, hand-to-hand, stealth, etc.) Stuff that's considered a "fair test" between different types of regiment.
>>544253Yes, also a bit self regulating, after our death and maybe an incompetent gets our job. It would stop one tribe taking over another or at least limiting it to one region and one specialty. Also works for the inevitable chaos cults.
Anyone think a quick attack unit with sentinels would be kinda badass?
>>544267Yep, the more flexible we are the better in my book.
>>544244>Mountains ValkyriesladMountain Infantry
>>544274Looks like I had a brain fart.
I believe the best method of making this planet invaluable is to turn it into effectively a staging ground for any and every imperial force that wishes to do battle in the sector while being very defensible. What we need to do that is: Ability to produce good recruits and train themAbility to maintain and resupply imperial forcesAbility to defend the planet from invasionsWe also need to display that we're not planning to become a secede from the Imperium and try to forge strong ties with various Imperial organisations.
Just so everyone's aware - our planet has a population of about 10 million. The entire planet!To put that in context>Early medieval France had a population of 9 million>Pre-Columbian N America had a population of 2-18 million>London has a population of 9 milllion>Illinois has a population of 12 million>Belgium, Rwanda and Somalia have populations of 11 million>Nigeria has a population of 186 millionOur planet probably has an average population density close to stone-age Canada or Australia, most likely entire continents are almost uninhabited just like vast stretches of stone-age Canada/Australia were uninhabited with the population concentrated near the hospitable areas (otherwise our planet would have a pre-stone age population density)I don't think any country in history has reached a population growth rate of >5%, even if we got ours to 20% per year every year for a decade, we'd still only have 50million people planetwide.I don't think we have to worry about turning into a hive-world anytime soon.
>>544290Well, with the 900k hivers sent to us and the health program we instituted to decrease child mortality we should be doing fair soon enough.
I'm of the opinion that a balanced approach is best. We're too small and lack the resources to become some superspecialised lynch pin so we focus on becoming a small, independent, loyal and secure world that the administratum can trust to continue delivering quality tithes on time and without ever being a burden on the greater imperium. We also position ourselves as useful to the planets around us.To this end>Increase hydrogen mining of the gas giant>Increase farming. In a big way. HUGE mechanised farms placed deep within the mostly uninhabited wilds of our world and crewed mostly by ex-Hivers.>Begin resource mining on our system's barren world that felix noted had 4x the resources of our planet>Also increase frenzon farming + manufacture>Continue to invest in the health+food security of our citizens but counteract the population growth with heavy tithing to avoid runaway population growth or the perception of cultural genocide. Just immunisations and famine relief would let us institute a "every first child to reach adulthood joins the regiment" policy and still come out ahead.>Encourage the martial and Spartan-like aspects of the local tribes>Continue to invest in domestic manufacture + planetary defences, particularly the latter.Then we can>Increased hydrogen trading with the forge world>Initiate trading of food with the local hive world>Initiate trading of resources with the local forge world, hive world and frontier worlds to our north>Initiate trading of manufactured goods from the forge world to us then from us to the northern frontier worlds>(Consider) Initiating trading of frenzon with the northern frontier worlds (isolated frontier worlds like force multipliers)>Maintain our ability to produce hardy, talented soldiers>Maintain our independence and non-reliance on neighbouring systems.>Consider sending our rapidly growing forces along with technologically savvy ex-hivers and the former miners from our neighbouring system to resettle that planet and restart the mining programs already in place. With Coreas' plans for planetary missile defence platforms we can even produce leave a few of those in orbit around it.This would make our planet important to the local forge world, local hive world, neighbouring frontier worlds and one with a good rep among the administratum.>>544280to some extent this ties in with my intent. The above ideas would strengthen our ability to produce good recruits, strengthen our ability to produce ample rations, strengthen our ability to defend the planet and maintain the physical space required to marshal and base the armies. We'd also be able to supply moderate quantities of non-food related resupply.
If shit hits the fan, we can always attempt to commit tech heresy by strapping engines on the space station and then attempt to run away.
>>544315I'm going to support this one. We need to be a good allrounder, so if we fuck up with one place, we aren't suddenly of use to no one. Also this prevents the Space Marines from just buying off a planets governor that we are solely allied with, and then destroying us in order to find the pre-heresy Marines.
>>544280>>544315>>544439Looks like a few of us are on the same page.I would like to boost the pop to around 1 Bill at some point, so the guard has a 'decent' manpower pool.
>>543540With the Inquisitor recuperating from his surgery this little you can do but return to the affairs of state.The food and medicine distribution program has started to see results, as many children are reported to have been born and mortality rates are down across all ages...With the small starting population however, it will take several generations before we can start truly seeing a large population on the world...With the shipyards still under construction, you turn back to the surface and see what we you can do improve our facilities there....You call up Xeroth and see what he can build....A. Build an underground bunker complexB. Build a school(we will need someone to run it)C. Expand the minesD. Begin a Formal Military AcademyE. Have a small lasweapon manufactory builtF.Other(Write-in)
>>544587>D. Begin a Formal Military AcademyNext we can focus on the school and teach the history and culture of the world to keep the natives happy
>>544587D Elite is the only realistic way we can survive.
>>544506Did some quick math. With pop growth of 1.1% (global rate of growth for earth, present day) we will reach 1 billion in 628 years. (dont know what Tarkon annual pop growth is so 1.1% is rather generous).With a pop growth of 5% it would take us 138 years to reach 1 billion, and with 10% it would take 69 years (how fitting)
>>544587> D. Military academy. Also, see about getting ahold of some heavy artillery for use against necrons. If I'm right, autocannons have good results, and they can probably be manufactured on-world if we can get manufactories up (or in orbit).
>>544587>EHuh. I usually miss 3 posts from you mate. Busy day?
>>544587>CWe don't need to produce officers right now, we need to up our production to make our world more viable for exports to get more stuff in return.
>>544602I was thinking of making a city of hivers and slowly spreading them out in the countryside. That way we have a influx of manpower for the manufacturing off world while not swamping the feudal societies.If no one likes this just have a bonus for families with many kids.
>>544608Changing my vote to this (C) - we've got well trained troops, and a full military academy may be superfluous right now.
>>544613Dont see how that will affect pop growth, but it does have its benefits. I honestly see the feudal structure as a hindrance to our long-term goals for the planet. Suggestion: Expand agriculture and bring in hiveworlders from other planets to boost our non-feudal population. When the two groups are of comparable size we can focus on integrating the feudals into modern society
>>544617Tell me why the fuck we can't stick them on the nearby world that is mineral rich? Seriously we had some fuck demanding we modernize the shitout of everything.
>>544617>>544617What are our long term goals? As near as I can see them, they are:1) Stay in power and don't die/get executed. a) build badass troops for 1)2) Develop ??? presumably to give us strategic alternatives, cause we're not sure what the universe (QM) will throw at us.
>>544617I like feudal for the martial aspect, other than tech knowledge what benefits do you see with leaving feudal behind?
>>544622Ensure we have high quality troops to send with our tithes. Mine? But farm like hell this planet its leaves and tezden.Industrialize and mine the ever living shit out if the nearby world thats better suited for this.Have a decentish shipyard production capableityLots of guns and space defense weapons, sense we're still a frontier eorld and now possibly being hunted by DA and its founders.
>>544625Maybe we should start a colony next month? Unless shit happens.
>>544625>Tithe>Mine>Nearby industrial world>produce ships>DefendOk, I get these, but what purpose do these serve? Aside from keeping the adeptus administratum from executing us, what is your opinion of the desired place/role of our world in the rest of the imperium?
>>544629Considering Necrons woke up nearby and DA are around and waiting for usm I'm going to say a small outpost once we get the machine tools would be the better choice unless we call our family for another hiver shipment.
>>544630They will end up turning us into a major power player in the sub-sector which will increase our influence and power. It'll stop the DA from fucking us super as well if we make ourselves important enough.Ontop of all that if we secure all this we could can get our name really out there which is what all 'nobles' desire
>>544631Speaking of Necrons, we should really be stocking up on heavy hitting anti armor guns, plasma? I'm probably wrong but doesn't Lasguns do jack shit to them?
Honestly, in character we don't know shit about necrons. It's "a word that rings in our mind', seems we've heard the term before but aren't too familiar with it. I'm all for preparing but maybe once we've been informed in character about the threat we face
>>544632Ok, I'm not being a dick about this, but I need some sense of what "major power player" means. This world could be many things - a shipbuilding hub, a trading and manufacturing world that is the lynchpin of the economy in this sector, a world of craftsmen, a world famed for the quality of its troops/mercenaries (a preferred world for the munitorium), a center for knowledge and learning, a shrine world producing the most pious missionaries, whatever. Except it can't be all these things. I'm asking because this question goes far beyond "don't let the dark angels fuck us" - its what is referred to as "grand strategy", and we need one. It appears a chunk of your desired development course involves becoming relied upon by other imperial groups - if this is so, then the question becomes, "who do we want to rely on us, and what do we need to supply for that?"Incidentially, my votes are for the munitorium (cause they're predictable), a few rogue traders, the inquisition (never a good idea to be on their bad side, even if personalities DO play too big a role), and be friendly, but not reliant on the mechanicus (fine to sell them shit, tho). Other imperial governors should be in OUR debt, and major imperial corporations and trading houses should never be relied upon to the point our strategic options are limited - the horse may pull the cart, but you don't ask the horse where it wants to go. The ecclesiarchy is a pain in the ass, but one that must be endured, and the space marines are great when you need help fighting an invasion, but the 600 lb gorilla in the room when you don't. Keep them at a distance.
>>544641Not alot hurts them to be fair. There Guass rifles rip through almost all armor on a molecule level, they use a non-warp FTL. There armor repairs itself and even Space Marines get fucked badly.I have no idea how to stop them besides destroying the tomb world and even then space marine losses are like 80%
>>544645A fuck-ton of indirect fire. IIRC, necrons don't have much in the way of artillery.
>>544643A trading and shipyard hub above our current world. The planet below is famed for the quality of its troops. However we'd ideally have the nearby mineral rich world be the key manufacturing world outside of the Tech-Priests control. If that makes sense.We're nearby a major space lane already, we simply need to get mining and manufacturing up on the other world in this system before getting our shipyard to lure in merchants for repairs and other goods.I'm on a phone. So I'll explain better soon but I hope this gave an idea?
>>544643what if we convinced our family or allies to colonize the nearby worlds mine and build factory there we could keep our advantage of troop quality here with some of the benefits. our familly and tech priest friends in the nearby forge world almost defiantly have the population.
>>544651Perhaps you could elaborate once you have a better means. I like the idea of being famed for the quality of our troops - this IS 40k after all, and I'm fine with orbital shit, especially. Having manufacturing on a neighboring world is great too, especially if we control it. Speaking of that, if it could be developed, we would be in the prime place to found our own trading and finance house. We'll have goods, ships to carry them, even troops to make our interests felt. We could even swap PDF to "merc duty" for experience and deploy them with our own ships. I'm also sure inquisitors would love being able to whistle up a regiment of hardened veterans complete with transport without having to kiss ass at the munitorium. Hell, we could even use them for "debt collection" in the event governors, rogue traders or trading houses defaulted on us.If we go this route, tho, we should work with the ecclesiarchy and the ordos malleus to develop a training program that will give our guys an edge against chaos.
>>544662We could probably ask for another shipment of hivers, and keep it under our control...Let's look into financing options.
>>544662I don't understand how setting up a manufacturing world is going to reduce the quality of our troops on the current planet? We could use the extra bodies for sure but otherwise we should be fine. I'd rather keep anything here under our own control
>>544604>>544595>>544608>>544616>>544606Since we have tie and I am feeling generous today ill let you do both top itemsYou order Zachias to pull the top soldiers in our PDF and our tithed troops, and develop a special training/education program for them, specializing in leadership, coordination, strategy and communication. These troops will serve as our first officer and NCO corps...You also have incentives put out to draw more workers to the mines, allowing us to increase the size of our mining operations on the surface, slowly but surely increasing our yields...You are walking Tarquin around the station when you unexpectedly receive a message from the Governor of Radrick's Folly, requesting assistance, apparently they have become swamped by refugees fleeing the Necron invasion of the western frontier worlds and Radricks Folly does not have the capacity to accomodate them all. New ships seem to show up every day, carrying desperate people looking from some hope of safety and stability....He asks if we can step in.You call on your officers and advisors and they believe that we could feed the new arrivals, but it would wipe out most of our surplus food production, forcing us to expand our farms again in the future if we wish to keep a large rate of population growth...There are approximately 3 million refugees, mostly Imperial colonists with a modern tech understanding waiting on various freighters and transport ships for your response....A. By all means, let them come! We need more manpowerB. We do not have the capacity to take on such a major influx of people
>>544674>A. By all means, let them come! We need more manpowerFuck yeah population boost. Hope they're ready to work hard and increase our production.
>>544662What Allies? A rouge trader needs a space-port, Our parents own a HIVE city. It'd be our system to take care so we'd just ask for X-people and set them up on the new mining world.>>544663I don't think we can really bring up to Ecclesiarchy or the Ordos Malleus that because its Chaos and thats well known to be crushed non-stop. Even thinking about it could get us...well in trouble.>>544667>Take all this land of people who have had to struggle to get by daily>turn it into factorys>Now import foodWOW, ITS STRANGE THAT NOBODY HAS TO FIGHT TO LIVE ANYMORE. JUST STAND IN LINE. Who would've thought over generations they'd get weaker because they'd no longer need to push themselves.>>544674Do we have the means or ability to settle them on that rich world and get them mining Shmeh? Because if so >A
>>544667There was an earlier big discussion about whether people from a feudal background or an industrial background made tougher troops. I am of the school of thought that once you get into a division-of-labor economy as a manufacturing world requires, all kinds of advantages in conditioning are lost.
>>544674>A Put them in temp camps until we can colonize the other world.
>>544676You are by far the saltiest fuck to grace the internet, and not only that, you lack reading comprehension. We were speaking of turning the other planet, the mineral rich one, into a mining and factory farm. No-one is suggesting taking the planet we have now and converting it to a massive production factory. You know what would be great? If you could make your arguments and have a conversation without resorting to this salty shit every time you think someone is disagreeing with you:>>WOW, ITS STRANGE THAT NOBODY HAS TO FIGHT TO LIVE ANYMORE. JUST STAND IN LINE. Who would've thought over generations they'd get weaker because they'd no longer need to push themselves.Keep it civil for fuck sake, we're all just trying to have fun and participate. Conversation and debate are a part of that.
>>544674A. By all means, let them come! We need more manpowerHow much pop can we support with our current agriculture Shmeh?
>>544681What if we used people from our families hive world or some of these excess refugees? Or are you saying that due to the fact that we will be splitting our focus and will be required to provide food etc for the other world that it will reduce the quality of both?(Just trying to understand your argument)
>>544674Shmeh, what are our options for loans/grants to aid in rapid development? Would the ecclesiarchy do "alms for the displaced", or the adeptus administratum be willing to help at all? Would private finance houses be an option (the inquisition might be able to open some doors)?
>>544685I actually fucked up on that one, My apologizes. I misread your statement and thought you were on about turning THIS world into a factory one. I was annoyed because I thought I'd need to repeat myself for a 3rd fucking time and nobody likes to have to repeat themselves. I have no issue if we use the Mineral Rich world to set up our industry and shit of that nature there. It'd be foolish not too. And once again I apologize.
>>544688The original argument contained the assumption we would be colonizing one world, and if we wanted to industrialize or maintain the current background in creating our military forces. This thought of industrializing the second world appears to be an attempt to gain the advantages of industrialization while keeping the tough troops from a feudal background. Personally, I feel that too big a manufacturing world (easily achieved) would shift our attention undesirably, but high output can be achieved with servitors.
>>544692All good anon, I can understand the frustration
>>544687>>544683>>544676>>544675We can support roughly 20 million people with the farms and the equipment we have now, but these refugees put us almost up to 14 million..You gladly accept the refugees, along with the Governor's thanks, now he really owes us one...Where should they be settled? Our world is sparsely populated, with only a few settlements of note.Options A-D grant a major yield increase while E, will generate a small yield increase evenly distributedA. Have them help work the farms, allowing us to expand them againB. Have them help work the mines, we need more raw materialsC. Have them work in the manufactory, we need goodsD. Have them work on the plantations, we need more export productE. Spread them equallyF. Other(write-in)
>>544695>EAnd don't try to force them on the locals.
>>544695>E. Spread them equally.>F. Ask for former job qualifactions, Put farmers where farmers go, Cops where cops, PDF get recruited, ect.
>>544695>E. Spread them equallyalso this>>544700
>>544700This is good too
>>544705>>544704>>544703>>544700>>544699You have the people questioned and checked for heresy, gathering information about their previous profession and skillsetsYou find several thousand former PDF soldiers, and send them to join our forcesThere are also a large number of people that worked in mining and farming, so they are given those jobs...The last issue is one of the freighters, carried a load of prisoners, most with only minor offenses, that need to be settled or taken care of.You are willing to have a few people look into their records on a case by case basis, and release them from their punishment after a set period of time, likely 5 to 10 years for most.What should we do with them?A. Draft them into the PDFB. Have them do hard labor in the mines and farmsC. Other(Write-in)
>>544717>B. Have them do hard labor and set up on on the mineral rich world, building the blocks for the world if possible.If we can't do that, whelp. >B
>>544717>B. Have them do hard labor in the mines and farms
>>544717>>544719Agree with this>B
Anyone feel like incorporating checks for genestealers into our basic health program? The doctors performing health services to be stringently checked themselves, of course.
>>544724In game would we know about this? If so then all for it. Free yearly or 5 yearly medical checkups.
>>544725Yes, if we can do it in character. 5 years is a lifetime tho... A genestealer cult could grow enormously by then. I recommend making up a disease "If they display these symptoms, get them to a doctor!"
>>544728Well our pop base is so small 'free' as in forced healthcare should be no problem.
>>544719This is good but I wish we had some time to prepare. Well life is cheap.
>>544735well they still gotta make the trip here, So we will have some time.
>>542245>A. Let him aboard, its always good to have friends in the Imperium.i mean, one could argue that we're kind of a second rate governor too, albeit a bit of a rising star among that group. lets see if we like this guy, and if there's anything about him we don't like, we can always send him on his way and not continue associating with him. (I seriously doubt a heretic assassin would waste their time with us, when all the good marks are on hive worlds or on crusade).
>>544744Holy shit dude, hit refresh you are a ways behind
>>544749>>544744Lol. Glad to have you here, man. I'd switch away from IE tho.
>>544744Gobbie, Scroll down. >>544752I use IE and ain't far behind. 0-o he is one phone i think.
>>544738So we need to prepare the mine site, a few cheap shelters, mining and food supplies and a security force or we could go for a minerals for food deal until we are ready to expand the mining operation.
>>544753This was the joke I was making.
>>544717>A. Draft them into the PDF