he Grail War continues, but you're finally taking a break, for some reason though, you've decided to occupy your break with summoning parallel versions of one of your friends in order to put goddesses inside of them.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral QM Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/h152hbhVShinji Status Page: https://pastebin.com/a6fiNxrZMy Twitter: https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMLast Thread: >>4790770
"Alright, everyone, let's let the girl and her father have a moment of privacy, shall we? Illyasviel has waited for this moment for a long time, and the same is true of Kiritsugu, so let's... let's all just clear out, OK?" You really think it would be best if the father and daughter had at least some privacy here. Of course you aren't counting on Illya's maids leaving, because they wouldn't leave the room even if you asked them directly. Besides, you don't mind them being in the room anyway, considering they are some of the people closest to Illya in the world, and Ereshkigal... Well, Ereshkigal is asleep right now, so she won't be moving either, then again it's not like she's not somebody close to Illya either, they were technically sharing a body at one point. "Oh! And Rin, could you go and find Shirou? Tell him that he needs to go and see his sister and his father, he'll catch on quick." Hopefully, at least. Shirou exists in a state of being both dense and uncannily observant at the same time. Must be a sword thing.You and everyone else quickly leave the room, and Rin... Rin Prime, you suppose you should probably start calling her, walks off to go and find Shirou, wherever he is right now. Probably with Saber. You don't really know how Saber is going to take her long overdue reunion with her Master from the Fourth War, the two of them definitely didn't get on at all, and... probably still won't get on, but Kiritsugu is now technically going to be Saber's Father-in-Law... Oh god. That sounds like something that definitely is not your problem. At all. Shirou can deal with that one, God knows you deal with enough as it is already.You've got somebody else you need to find anyway. Namely, the Young Rin from the past. You sent her off to go and play with the other kids or whatever, but you do actually need to talk with her properly. In fact, it would probably be better if Rin Prime spoke to her as well, She's the only Rin that wasn't completely mentally broken down when she arrived here, but she'll probably still be confused, even if she's intelligent enough to probably figure out what happened. She should know at least that she's not dreaming, she's a smart young girl.It doesn't take you all that long to find Rin and the rest of the kids, all of them sitting together in... well, it looks like a room that Abby and Betty are sharing together, seems like some rearranging has been down while you were busy. The girls all stop and look up at you when you enter the room, it looks like all of them were trying to show off their magical abilities to one another, it looks like even the young Rin got involved, as hovering above her hand is a ball of fire and a ball of water orbiting around each other. Simple elemental manifestation, not really that impressive for an average magus, though at Rin's age, it is of course still quite impressive.
"Good..." You quickly take a glance at the clock on the wall, it's still quite early thankfully. "Morning, girls! I hope you've been treating Rin here well." You look at Rin, who looks back at you, clearly she wants answers, you don't blame her at all. This must all be a lot to take in, and the fact of the matter is that you haven't even told her anything yet either! "I think I owe you an... explanation, of just what's going on here, Rin. I don't want you to be scared, but... You were taken to this world by the Second True Magic because you were moments away from being killed in the world of your origin. I don't know what was about to kill you..." You have some good guesses, of course, and it was almost certainly Gilles and his Master, but you aren't about to reveal that either. "But, you're safe in this world for now." Of course, the Young Rin isn't in any danger that the rest of reality isn't. In fact, she's comparatively much safer in your universe than she is in her own right now."So... you... saved my life?" Rin tilts her head as she looks you in the eye, the rest of the girls in the room are clearly more interested in hearing about the origins of this new girl. "I did... Or rather, you saved your life at my request. Your possible future self wielded the Second True Magic in order to rescue a few... doomed versions of herself, and for some reason, she brought three Rins rather than simply two. I can only imagine that she somehow saw you and decided to save you, even if it served no real purpose." Looks like Rin might have a soft spot for her younger self that isn't entirely applicable to her variants that are her age. "I... I understand. So... What's going to happen now?" Rin sounds uncertain and unsure, this world is confusing and strange, but... well, it's funny, but Rin being taken from her home universe may end up being the best thing for that timeline. If Tokiomi realizes that Rin is missing, and that the Tohsaka crest is gone with it, then his... priorities will change, and suddenly, retrieving Sakura will be quite important to the future of the Tohsaka, and while you doubt Tokiomi would be able to do much to Zouken just by himself, nor even save Sakura from her torturous life... It's the Fourth Grail War, and Gilgamesh, though he is hardly loyal to Tokiomi, won't really have much of a problem with killing somebody like Zouken for good in addition to saving the life of his Master's Daughter on his commands. So it... It might actually be for the best if she stays here for some time.>"You're going to be staying with us for some time.">"I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me. At least until it's safe for you to return home.">"Well, right now, I want you to come with me, I need you to help me play a prank on somebody, OK?">"I'm going to train you. I'm going to have you prepared for your own world when you return to it.">Write-in...
How did you convinced Eresh to let you go?
>>4798367>>"I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me. At least until it's safe for you to return home.">>"I'm going to train you. I'm going to have you prepared for your own world when you return to it.">>"But for right now, do you want to help me play a prank on somebody?"
>>4798372Headpats>>4798362>Chinese knockoff True Ancestor YuGot "killed" by Lev's BombLev's Bomb is Galaxy Level.Yes, that's the reason everyone hates the obviously unplanned powerscaling bullshit. Because it's obviously not what was originally intended.Neither was timeline pruning, for that matter.Stuff like that just makes both Gilgamesh and Amakusa look braindead.Nasu is worse with some of these retcons than comic book authors are.
If we were to train her, would we try to do it in the direction of Edelfelt style gemcraft? Since it is said that its based on runecraft itself, which we should be good at.>>4798385Supposedly Yu is actually scaled down not just hiding her power (because muh loneliness, desiring oblivion only loved Xiang Yu etc) but yeah, that's not great.Also, Grand China just randomly tells Yu to get into the Throne for Xiang Yu because fairies can just do that, as they "select the method of their existence" and that seemingly extends to just being able to do that.
>>4798385Eh, timeline pruning I can at least see as an outgrowth of the fact that when people kept asking Nasu how the routes relate to each other, if Zelretch being in HF confirmed it etc, he said that he'd rather not choose and if he had to choose one then he would rather the other two not exist as alternates (something something themes of you cant save everyone, you have to choose etc nasuism). Doesn't make it better, but that wasn't THAT much of a wtf out of nowhere for me
>>4798367>>4798382+1>>4798385Lev used a mini tsar bomba enhanced with magic.
>>4798386I wonder if we can just make a full nonsense Rin. Have Kerry teach her to Kerry, have Touko teach her magecraft, have Rin teach her the Second. We can teach her Baijiquan and Snake Style.
>>4798367>"I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me. At least until it's safe for you to return home.">"Well, right now, I want you to come with me, I need you to help me play a prank on somebody, OK?"
>>4798385As for Lev's bomb, obviously supplied by the same group as Tokiomi's mysterious contacts which also found the first snakeskin and managed to distinguish it from any other random snakeskin, even though it seems to have no characteristic.
>>4798367This >>4798382 since it should be her choice later. She might even want to stay after she learns all details.>>4798386>If we were to train her, would we try to do it in the direction of Edelfelt style gemcraft? Since it is said that its based on runecraft itself, which we should be good at.We have no shortage of really good magecraft teachers and she has a lot of potential. She will really benefit from learning a lot of things Rin would never get a chance to learn otherwise while studying fundamentals.
>>4798389Timeline Pruning makes no fucking sense.Let's leave it at that.Modern Nasuverse is very poorly written and falls apart unless you're willing to swallow about a hundred "Well, it actaully worked this way and that character was just wrong!"s of bullshit.But the worst part about FGO is the fact that it's so impersonal.The Main Character is designed to not matter at all.They matter so little they can go from male to female and it impacts nothing at all.Meanwhile in other less terrible stories, it's very often a personal journey. The Journey of the Main Character was front and centre, with the powerlevels not as much of a focus.But FGO has no real journey for the MC and it's all just Powerlevels.
>>4798367>"This is a decision only you can make">"I can only offer you some options">"You could stay here with us if you want. I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me.">"Or "I could train you. Have you prepared for your own world when you return to it so you can prevent some bad things that may happen in the future.">"Think about it, and give me your answer when you're sure. Your future self and the future self of your sister may talk to you about it too if you want their opinion."Just to make it explicit that it's her choice.
>>4798396If only Kiritsugu got his weapons from the same people who gave Lev his bomb.He'd probably have a Black Barrel Machine Gun.
>>4798403You can try to think of Mashu as MC.Not that it helps all that much.
>>4798403In general I do think this is true, I just have much more tolerance for things of this style.Also, the Yu being blown up is one thing, but Pepe is even more ??? since we found one of his Shugendo powers is ...knowing his own lifespan and having Okita style shukuchi and martial arts that can contend with Servants somewhat.
>>4798405No asking her for help with the prank?
>>4798407Good idea WhatIs, we should get Tiny Rin Black Barrel, or at least a Black Barrel Replica.
I want to give small Rin to Luvia so she grows into a happy ojou-sama.
>>4798409And knowing his lifespan does include "being killed" instead of dying naturally, seemingly.
>>4798411Not Kaleidosword 2.0?
>>4798367I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me. At least until it's safe for you to return home."
>>4798408It really doesn't.Mash herself is hardly a character.Suffering purple haired girl who attaches herself to the main character and says 'Senpai' a lot.>>4798409The Crypters are just dumb. A group that exists through being retconned into relevance because Part 2 needed the villain group to be connected to Chaldea somehow.They weren't even dead apparently. They were "Near Death." iirc.Meaning that NOBODY thought "Why don't we wake up the True Ancestor Knock-Off who can regenerate from suicide bombing into a cloud of red mist?"
>>4798414It was all part of his two hundred step Keikaku.He'll reveal it was all part of his plan at some point even though it makes no sense but uhhhh History Revision OK? :DDDDD
You know, you could probably set up a summoning circle if you really wanted if you wanted somebody that you feel could help.You've definitely got the energy for it.And you've got the means to summon Servants from any timeline too.
>>4798422>Suffering purple haired girl who attaches herself to the main character and says 'Senpai' a lot.Now this is sounds like a main heroine material.All that left for her is to unlock her Beast potential for FGO Endspiel.
>>4798432No, my point was the Mash is a horribly unoriginal character.She even has some sort of complex towards her older "sister" who feels terribly guilty about her.Also said older sister is a tsundere.
>>4798431Should I take it as a warning that we still need some extra help?>>4798434But her theme song is really cool.https://youtu.be/4gO7uemm6YoAnd hey. If Sweets end up actually making Awakening Redux we might get a chance to kill Mash and her Walking Camera husband.
>>4798410Phineposting is a pain. Combine the two and I'll support.
>>4798440>Phineposting>>4798439>Should I take it as a warning that we still need some extra help?Take it however you wish.I just know that at least one of you were disappointed at Lancer Artoria not being able to show up.You probably won't need the extra help.
>>4798443>PhinepostingHence the pain
>>4798439>If Sweets end up actually making Awakening Redux we might get a chance to kill Mash and her Walking Camera husband.Oh boy, more random edge shit. Because that went over so well last time.
>>4798443>I just know that at least one of you were disappointed at Lancer Artoria not being able to show up.How though? We could use RhongoBongo as a catalyst if we got Gray back, but wouldn't that bring regular Lartoria?Wait, If Manaka got Gray, can't she summon Lartoria Alter into her?
>>4798440>PhinepostingThank you for supporting pinephone, buddy. I see your redemption arc is going smoothly.>>4798443I did give you huge list when you asked about Servants we want to see so by no means I am complaining.>probablyOh, worrisome.>>4798446It will either be another spectacular show with random bushes killing Alberich or he takes story into satisfying direction. Win-win. At least Niggerman will have some interesting competition with his Fate quest.
>>4798450We could use Rhongo+some Grail Mud/Tiamat mud as a catalyst?
>>4798367change >>4798391to>headpat rin>"This is a decision only you can make">"I can only offer you some options">"You could stay here with us if you want. I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me.">"Or "I could train you. Have you prepared for your own world when you return to it so you can prevent some bad things that may happen in the future.">"Think about it, and give me your answer when you're sure. Your future self and the future self of your sister may talk to you about it too if you want their opinion.">"Well, right now, I want you to come with me, I need you to help me play a prank on somebody, OK?"
>>4798367Switch >>4798405 to >>4798459
>>4798367From >>4798399 to >>4798459
>>4798367>headpat rin>"This is a decision only you can make">"I can only offer you some options">"You could stay here with us if you want. I'm going to offer you a chance to be adopted, by yourself or by me.">"Or "I could train you. Have you prepared for your own world when you return to it so you can prevent some bad things that may happen in the future.">"Think about it, and give me your answer when you're sure. Your future self and the future self of your sister may talk to you about it too if you want their opinion.">"Well, right now, I want you to come with me, I need you to help me play a prank on somebody, OK?"
>>4798367switch >>4798404 to >>4798467Can't beat the headpats, nope.
>>4798431Hopeman and Altera please>>4798367>>4798459+1
Hopefully we can get at least this Rin to like Shinji nii-san.
>>4798382>>4798476Ah crap. I type it and a better one that everyone supports comes up.Swapping to >>4798459
It's been an hour 10 minutes, what won?>>4798446Killing Mash and her Walking Camera is really only acceptable if you live in a lostbelt.Though the two of them do have a lot of blood on their hands now.
>>4798482this one >>4798459
>>4798450I think I have good idea for it.We need catalyst for normal Artoria but concepted with concept of Duty.Remember how we got Obeithion with Saber Alter and Hope? Duty would have resulted in her Lancer Alter version.
>>4798475You know, Altera WOULD be pretty good against basically any complex plan, authority and other bullshit that isnt just big beam if we can concept her good...Summon her using Ares Sash+a random Divine Construct, as Photon Ray is the prototype of (nearly?) all of them? Otherwise the Sash may just get Hippolyta.
>>4798484So we concept Avalon?Or a replica of Avalon made by Shirou? Or a replica of Rhongo, if he can do it.
>>4798367sounds good >>4798459
>>4798486Looting Attila's grave for catalyst?
>>4798486Shirou can make her sword.We just need to make sure not get blasted by ion cannon for attempting it. Should not be that hard to do. She can also steal that sash for herself.>>4798487Avalon would work. Or something other that`s belonged purely to Artoria.I doubt he can replicate Rhongo. Well, maybe super shitty bootleg copy.
Theoretically, can't we skip this makeshift catalyst thing, and have Betty create an empty Lartoria or Altera body based on our memories to summon the HS into, as a perfect catalyst+readymade incarnation? Since she wouldnt have to actually replicate any souls or minds.This may noot be a good idea, but any specific reason?
>>4798367>even if it served no real purpose."That was kinda harsh, man
>>4798498It was a little bit harsh, but "Served no real purpose" as in Rin got nothing out of it, and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to Rin if she lived or died.
>>4798503yeah, I know, but still, telling this as an offhand remark to her face...Well, I wonder if meeting the three Rins face to face will make Prime reconsider her consideration of her other selves compared her awareness before. I imagine this would all put some strain on her.
>Wearing it greatly increases the user's Divinity, Strength, Endurance, Agility, and Mana parameters. Its strength cannot exceed a certain point due to Mystery in modern society being weak.>Gilgamesh has called the sash a "legacy a god forced on humans." Hippolyta and Alcides' use of the sash greatly differs from one another. Hippolyta primarily uses it to empower herself by surging the energy in the sash throughout her body. Even with the power limited due to the amount of Mystery in the modern age, it is still a formidable Noble Phantasm. Its power is enough to allow Hippolyta to cause an eruption with a single punch. >Penthesilea also possesses the sash, wearing it around her waist rather than on either arm. However, it is uncertain whether the sash she holds is the same one possessed by her older sister, Hippolyta.>While Alcides does make use of the sash, he only allows its energy to imbue and strengthen his weapons.With her two two skills and how she likes to make Ares/Mars seethe all the time she probably can steal sash if she gets her hands on it even without concept. It`s also works really well with her skillset.>Civilization Erosion (EX Rank): A subconsciously active Skill of the Heroic Spirit Altera. Anything in Altera's grasp is transformed into its best form currently most suited for herself. This is based on Altera's own perspective, not necessarily reflecting the object at its greatest or most excellent. In this case, anything within Altera's grasp is transformed into the Photon Ray sword, an ability shared by her Moon counterpart, who additionally can summon the sword at will.>Crest of the Star (EX Rank): The unique pattern imprinted on Altera's body, a strange design that does not belong to the Huns but resulted from some advanced ritual. The higher the rank, the higher one's attack power is increased. By expending mana through it, Altera can temporarily enhance the performance of any desired part of the body. An efficient Skill that costs little mana but lacks the explosiveness of Skills like Mana Burst. In addition, this unique Skill also has the effects of the Instinct Skill - since it felt like it was missing a little something.With right Concept she can get herself her own Knight of Owner Noble Phantasm. And we can supply her all kinds of weapons.Her wish is also super easy to fulfill.And WhatIs really likes Altera too and wanted her to show up. Which means he has really good taste.
>>4798516>yeah, I know, but still, telling this as an offhand remark to her face...Zero Rin didn't really think anything of it.She's smart enough to realize how timelines work, considering she was just in a room with three other versions of herself and an older version of her sister.Also you're kind of... not always the best at empathy.
So is a lostbelt a timeline thats about to be pruned? So is mash and her husbando go around pruning them? I don't play f\go obviously.
>>4798531I wish it were that simple.A lostbelt is a world that shouldn't exist due to being way too divergent but exists thanks to magical tree tentacles.You go around purging these worlds and all the people in them.Nothing in FGO is properly on the level of the Second True Magic.
Just realised.Altera can also be classified as vorechad because how Velber and Sefar are going about things.Her skills for overtaking things, breaking them down and adapting for herself are easily just that.
>>4798531Lostbelt is "supposed to be pruned but for some reason (eg: outside assistance, various bullshit) isn't, and persists.">>4798537Pandora's Box in Prillya basically also has a Lostbelt in it. Since it wasn't opened, the possibilities sat inside it and gestated into a complete World that Darius wants to use for...reasons.
>>4798367You know what. Changing >>4798382to >>4798459That's fine. It's the same thing with more letting her decide.
I hope we can summon altera, girl just wants to be something that isnt a warrior.
>>4798598We'll make her a wife and mother Test
You reassuringly pat the top of Rin's head, and she frowns a little. Apparently not liking the somewhat condescending act. She also doesn't really know you very well, so you suppose you can understand her current dislike of physical contact with you. Well, it was by your request that she was saved, so she might end up warming up to you a little bit after thinking things through. I might've been a little cruel to say that there was no purpose to saving her, but at the end of the day there wasn't really much of a point, there's still going to be plenty of timelines where Rin wasn't saved, and even this Rin should understand that. It's impossible to save every possible version of somebody unless you cross a few lines that you'd really rather not cross. You'll just have to pretend that those other timelines don't exist as you aren't observing them... or something. "Rin, this is a decision that only you can make, and I can only offer you a few options... I don't want you to feel at all pressured by the options I'm going to offer you though." You decide that it might be better to try to keep the kid gloves on after all, you're kind of so used to dealing with your Rin that you might've just forgotten for a moment that this is just a little girl, who is probably only putting on a brave face right now. It must be pretty terrifying to know that you were only saved from certain death on what was effectively a whim."Fine. Go ahead and tell me these options then." Young Rin looks like she'd trying to get a proper read on you. She's been playing with your daughters, so you can only hope that might've done some good at potentially calming Rin down a little, to be able to talk with girls that are closer to her in age who are also capable of extraordinary feats of magic must be... well, quite relieving to Rin. "Well, first, I could offer to adopt you. Or you could be adopted by your older self. I'm sure she wouldn't say no to it... You see, the thing is, the timeline that you came from... it's probably going to end up with your dad dying and your mother becoming mentally handicapped. Tokiomi Tohsaka only... his survival of the Fourth Grail War is something with a very slim possibility. If you return to your time... that is." You say with a sad tone. As manipulative as this feels, it's very much true. If Rin returns, then Tokiomi probably dies. Even if you take steps against it."W-what?" Rin sounds bewildered by your words."By my calculations, Tokiomi Tohsaka is far more likely to survive the Fourth Grail War if you stay here, at least for some time, in fact..." You look Rin in the eyes. "If you stay here, then Sakura will probably be saved." The moment Tokiomi realizes that Rin is gone, he'll realize that he needs an heir still, and he'd be a fool to pass up on Sakura with her magical talent. It would be a major setback to the Tohsaka, of course, but Sakura is still a potentially tremendously powerful magus in her own right.
"Saved...? What do you mean? Isn't she being trained to become the next Matou heir?" Rin sounds confused, and she tilts her head at you. This is going to be quite painful to explain to a little girl, so you decide it might be the best to give Rin the most... sanitized option that you can right now. She's only an eight year old, so she doesn't really need to hear the specifics right now."Not even in the slightest." You say with a voice that can barely suppress your anger at Zouken. "Sakura is being raised by Zouken as a Holy Grail, he intends to use her as a sacrifice in order to achieve Heaven's Feel. Sakura... She's not going to be made into the Matou heir at all. No, she's being subjected to torturous treatments. That's why... That's why I ask you that even if you want to return, you wait at least a year or so. Which... brings me onto my other option for you. I'd have you receive the best possible training you can for the decade you have until the Fifth Holy Grail War begins. At that time, I'll have you sent back to your home timeline in order to take care of everything there. This would... This would be like an extended learning camp... or something. You'd be receiving tutoring from instructors beyond even the Clock Tower for ten years... Or whenever you feel like you are ready to return." Now, that seems to have gotten Rin's attention."Really...? You'd... You'd offer me something like that?" It seems like the idea of being taught by people beyond even the Clocktower has managed to get Rin's attention, that compounded by the idea of being able to return whenever she feels like has managed to properly get Rin's interest. "I'll be the judge of your magecraft teacher, and I'll... I'll think about whether I want to be adopted by somebody while I'm here.""Of course, take your time deciding. Think about it and only give me your answer when you're sure. Your future self or the future self of your sister might show up to talk with you about it, and... well, they'd know you better than I know you, so they'd probably have some opinions on the matter." You smile at the girl. Even though this Rin doesn't know you at all, it's still Rin, and it's very easy to see how this little girl grew into the young woman you know. "I... alright, I'll do that then." Young Rin is still putting on a brave face, clearly she doesn't trust you completely at this point. Which is actually kind of wise. Most magi would instill a lesson not to trust the magi of other families in any circumstances, which is totally fine considering that most magi would see somebody like Rin and decide to try to turn her into a potion or a mystic code or something. Magi of Rin's potential are, after all, very potent magical ingredients. Not that you'd ever stoop to such a level, but that's just how a magus would think.
"Good. Tell me when you've come to your decision, but... right now I want you to come with me. I need your help to prank somebody. His name is Archer. He knows you in the future, and is reaaaal uptight. I think you might enjoy being able to play a prank on somebody like him." Honestly, it's mostly for your own entertainment, but Rin will probably end up enjoying being able to pull a prank on somebody too, even if that's not really her sort of personality, she's still a kid, and should find some amusement in it."If you say so." Rin doesn't sound entirely convinced by your offer to prank somebody, then again, it's probably just because she doesn't know EMIYA yet. She'll definitely understand the need to prank the Counter Guardian later on. Especially if you tell her how much he lies to her for his own goals. "What exactly do you want me to do?">"I'm going to need you to pretend to just be Rin after having accidentally de-aged yourself.">"I'm going to need you to pretend to be Rin's daughter.">"I'm going to need you to pretend to be the Rin from this timeline, pretend not to notice you're uh... eight.">"I want you to meet Archer with the rest of the girls and say that I adopted you.">Write-in...
>>4798691>"I'm going to need you to pretend to be the Rin from this timeline, pretend not to notice you're uh... eight.">"I want you to meet Archer with the rest of the girls and say that I adopted you."This will work great together.>"What are you talking about, Archer? Rin was always a little girl and now I am just adopting her because she need a guardian."
>>4798691Hmm... won't Archer immediately see through the prank due to his Servant bond? He should definitely be able to immediately realize this Rin is different from his Master.Most we can hope for is convince him she's actually his and he needs to take responsibility.Rin might have even told him what happened.
>>4798698>>4798691+1, this can be funny
>>4798698+1 build up the memeing
>>4798691>>4798698Actually, I rephrase it a bit to reflect prank better.>"I'm going to need you to pretend to be the Rin from this timeline. Try to do small chat with me about Second Magic and how you managed to make a new breakthrough with it.">"We will meet Archer with the rest of the girls and say that I adopted you because you needed a new legal guardian after Kirei died yesterday."
>>4798704>Hmm... won't Archer immediately see through the prank due to his Servant bond?Yes he will. He'll be startled for a moment at worst.
>>4798691fuck it, change vote from >>4798712 to >>4798714
Why do you want to prank EMIYA so much anyway?
>>4798742Bc they're dicks
>>4798749But it's hardly a mean-spirited prank.Unless you mean EMIYA is a dick, and he kind of is.
>>4798742It's fun to mess with a guy trying to act edgy.
>>4798742It's funny to make the cool edgy guy lose his composure.
>>4798742Its funny to prank and fluster the edgy man
Regarding Concept for Altera if we end up summoning her. I have three ideas:1. Indomitability>Incapable of being overcome, subdued, or vanquished; unconquerable.As definition go. Altera`s main struggle in Extella was influence of Velber and Archimedes with her nature as Sefar and urge to destroy taking her over and robbing her of her personality. She has this quality in her but only channel it rarely due to life circumstances as both Sefar and Attila. This should guard her against all bad influence on her and bolster her ability to withstand just about anything. Helps her withstand her own urges as war and destruction too so it would be easier for her to be something other than tool of destruction if she puts her mind into it.2. AssimilationThis one is pretty obvious. She has ability to do so and it will help her to fight off and take over things that try to attack her. While this one do not help her personality apart from granting her ability to fight back better it is not a deal breaker as Altera in Extella mastered strength to resist control over her on her own. With a faith in her ability to do so from Hakuno.This should make be able to get something like Knight of Owner.3. CreationDespite being forces of Destruction she has very good aptitude in creating things to serve her from spoils of war. Big Altera created heroic spirit Altera and small Altera was also created this way. With Sefar being used to create Valkyries this also should allow her to do something like that. Being born as part of Velber with all knowledge and powers it has should make similar manipulation for her rather easy too. We can also provide all necessary memories like we did for Shirou. It also helps with her fixation on being tool of Destruction and wish to try and be something else as this will show her clear path to other way of living, she will enjoy to try.This should make her be able to have her own Unlimited Blade Works.>>4798742He likes to pretend to be brooding anti-hero and should easy up a little.This joke should also help him to understand that he needs to go and talk to Kerry, Illya and Shirou instead of whatever the fuck he is planning to do right now. If Rin was able to do it so should he. It will be good for him to reflect on this.
>>4798790My preference would be Assimilation or Conquering as taking over+her War thematics to take over Velber instead of the other way around.I still think we should also ask Aoko if she could tell us what Magic Blue can even do if we have the opportunity. Especially since I remembered one of her moves in Melty was "Retroflow/Genesis Light Year" ala Goetia, while it is said that doesnt purely seem to be time travel in Mahoyo.
>>4798801The one with the most votes
>>4798790Do we even want to summon Altera now? There are two more HGW coming and Labyrinth will very much be more personal with the few servants we summon
>>4798801>>4798698>>4798714This. I just rephrased it in the second post to show general direction I meant in the first one. I think they are both the same thing.
>>4798790Really like Altera's design, but I dunno why.Don't know much of anything about her other than fgo. Other than she's supposed to be super op.
>>4798812She was my first 5 star so I have a soft spot for her.
>>4798812I like the way huke draws eyes.
>>4798822Not only is QM a Sacchin and Ereshbro, he’s also an Alterabro
>>4798822>>4798821I think its how she always looks so calm. She's relaxing to look at.
>>4798830Also her skin and belly
>>4798824>>4798830I like huke's art a lot because it both has a real charm to it and reminds me of my other favourite VN.
>>4798805No real preference between this three for me. I think all of them work well and fit her.Creation might have higher ceiling, Assimilation make her scarier opponent and Indomitability should work similarly how Self-Determination worked for Suzuka. All good.>>4798810If we are going to summon somebody she is pretty good candidate. WhatIs mentioned it here >>4798431 so he might have an idea or two prepared for extra summons.I think we are fine strength-wise now but who knows how things will go.>>4798812You should give Extella and Extella Link a try you like her. She has really nice story arc in Extella. And Link just add some extra but she plays lesser part in it.
>>4798839Ah yeah, another thing I always say I'll watch later and never do.
>>4798851Don't, madoka did it better.
>>4798851Read it.Don't watch it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88RcKhPLo8
>>4798852I didn't care for Madoka. It was alright, but I don't see the reason it gets so much praise.
>>4798830I think it's the character of her clothes. They aren't generic and is related to about her orgin. As opposed to just a generic suit.
>>4798830I like her voice, way or speak and design
>>4798742Because at the end of the day, no matter how badass he tries to be, he's still our best bud Shirou. And if we can't prank our bros, who can we prank?
>>4798855I just watched madoka first then steins and just liked madoka more. Maybe the vn is better.
>>4798866Vn is better since its not trying to cram 40 hrs worth of content in 24 eps. Too much exposition at times tho.
>>4798742because redman needs to chill a little.
>>4798830I really like her personality and design.>>4798839Few times I ever bothered to buy merch was because of his art as a final deciding factor.
>>4798839Yeah, Suzuha is best.
>>4798881This scene always makes me laugh.All attempting this would do is get Okabe's ass handed to him and then she'd realize what he was doing anyway.I guess he didn't consider that because he was losing his mind, but he saw her take out multiple armed men with little difficulty already.And yes, Suzuha is best along with Faris.
>>4798815Senpai, will there be an interlude of Tokiyomi POV where he panics because Rin is missing and Gil and Kirei react to him in amusement?
>>4798839I always knew you were a man of excellent taste.>>4798853Why not both? The anime was pretty good too.>>4798896Alright, not excellent taste, but good enough at least.
>>4798921Forgot to attach pic.
>>4798922I mostly just like Faris because of her ending being the coolest to me.Suzuha is real best girl but specifically Alpha worldline Suzuha, Beta Suzuha is worse.That's not to say I dislike any of the girls.Except Kagari in 0. God she's just the worst.
>>4798921Seconded. And maybe another where Tokiomi sees the wormpit while Gil destroys Zouken?
>>4798921>>4798926worst case scenario, little Sakura will end up living with us too, best case scenario, we guaranteed an alternate universe Shirou a comfy harem slice of life
But if we end up with Lancer Alter I strongly suggest empowering her Wild Hunt aspect. It has insane amount of syncretism going for it. From Odin to primordial spirits of nature. And not only it is part of every european culture but many asians have similar things as well. It would make Iskandar`s army look like a joke.Best suggestion for it I have are hunt, host or winter.>>4798921>>4798931This sound really fun.I am still really interested in that Rin Matou we didn`t get too.
>>4798931Nasu has said he wouldn't have given a shit as long as Zouken was actually teaching her.That fact he wasn't would be the only problem.
>>4798939From his perspective and with Rin missing Zouken just fucked up his only heir.
>>4798942he'll just erase those memories or some shit and be done with it
>>4798948>Rin comes back 5 years later and realizes her dad was a piece of shit.>Kills him herself.
>>4798948Is he just going to erase the fact that her hair and eyes are the wrong color too?Or that her element is wrong?
>>4798951based>>4798953look man, if whats his name can hypnotize Shiki into thinking he's his biological son and a Tohno, I think Tokiomi can come up with something similar
>>4798948Sometimes I forget how shit most of magi are.Little Rin is really better off with us.>>4798953>will fail to create another heir>will treat little Sakura as total failure and disgrace and hope to get her to marry somebody who will make her produce "proper heir" in the next generation and "fix" his bloodlineVritra, get the maze.
>>4798957Shiki was a 'somewhat' normal boy at the time. Hypnosis tends to work far worse on people with their own magic circuits. Especially when you're as talented as Sakura is.
>>4798961Good think Kirei kills him just a few days after he rescues Sakura. Ironically, Kotomine is a better guardian than Tokiomi.
>>4798962Its heavily implied that Shiki both has circuits has high quality ones too though
>>4798971Thing is, why would Tokiomi even want to hypnotize Sakura?
>>4798971Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything if they aren't actually activated.
>>4798974not really want to deal with his daughter's trauma after getting worm'd
New Carnival idea.Zero Rin speedrunning all the threats after we send her back with all the inside knowledge and stuff we taught and gave her.
>>4798982Imagine her Redman
"OK, so here's what I need you to do, first I want you to pretend that you're the exact same Rin from this timeline." You begin to plot your scheme to prank Archer. Of course, as a Servant, he should be able to immediately confirm whether the Rin in front of him is his master or not, but even so, sometimes when surprised, common sense like that will take quick leave of even the most straight-laced of people."Huh? Why...? And... Isn't she much older than me? Won't he just see through that immediately? Or... is he blind?" Rin tilts her head to the side, genuinely curious as to what exactly you want to prank Archer with here. She hasn't quite realized that you want her to pretend despite her age."Oh no, he's certainly not blind. In fact, he's got some of the best eyesight out of everyone I know." Rin just looks more confused by that. "No, that's not the sort of prank we're going to play on him, that would just be mean-spirited. No, I want you to try to say something like you had 'A new break-through with the Second True Magic' and how you were always this age through manipulating your own origin because of it when we're in earshot of Archer... If I know him, he's probably loitering around the kitchen, or hopelessly standing watch." Though considering that Karna should be on guard, that's kind of pointless, so it's pretty likely that Archer has taken up doing something else for now. Nobody likes to be made to feel inferior, after all."That sounds a little complicated, but... Alright. I don't really know much about the Second True Magic beyond what papa told me about it, but I... I know enough, I... I think. He told me once that one day, Zelretch might be so impressed with me that he'd make me the true inheritor of the Second!" Well, Tokiomi might not have been wrong on that. Rin forging the Kaleidosword shows that she very much has that potential, and other than Zelretch himself, is clearly the most powerful wielder of the Second True Magic in... well, you'd hazard a guess to say the entire multiverse... At least in this point in time. It might change in the far future, it might not. "That's great! Now... the next part of the prank... well, I don't know how you'll feel about pretending that I adopted you, but it will make the look on his face that much funnier!" You try to convince the young girl to go along with your prank, and for a moment she looks uncertain, but..."Come on! Papa is a good person!" Alítheia butts into the conversation. "I'm sure that you'd enjoy even being adopted properly! Without having to pretend! My other sisters do!" The young dragon girl smiles happily at Rin. Seemingly trying to convince her to agree to being properly adopted by you.
"Alítheia is right. Our father is... Well, if you're going to be staying with us for some time, you'd probably be much happier if you just asked him to adopt you!" Betty joins in on the attempt to convince Rin to become your adoptive daughter, and you understand that things might just get... well, a little bit strange if she actually agrees. Oh well, it's not like things aren't already quite strange anyway, so it's not like it would really be much of a change of speed for you. You don't really know how Your Rin is going to feel about things if you actually end up adopting her younger self though."Thank you girls, but that's a decision that Rin will have to make herself." You stop the girls from trying to peer pressure Rin into accepting you as her father. She obviously hasn't even considered the notion of getting over Tokiomi yet, and while Tokiomi was kind of a piece of trash, Rin still loved him, as is natural for a child to love their parent. "So... what do you say?""I mean... I suppose it... couldn't hurt." Rin hesitantly accepts the idea of the prank, excellent. You can't wait to see the look on Archer's face!"Great! Now that's out of the way, here's what we're going to do! Everyone here is going to come with us, and we're going to make sure that Archer overhears us talking about how Rin needed a new legal guardian after Kirei died yesterday, so I adopted her! You all understand?" You receive nods from all of the girls in the room, and the fox pup barks. Looks like the pup also understands, you guess? The only one in the room that doesn't make any real act of understanding you is the snake coiled around one of Alítheia's horns, and that's because it looks like it's asleep. Huh, did it get slightly bigger again? "Alright, everyone, let's go looking for Archer. Oh! And Rin, call me Makiri-kun, let's add to the confusion." Rin looks slightly vexed at the mention of Kirei's death, but seems to think no more on it. The two weren't ever especially close. Kirei is... well, awful with children.It doesn't take you and your assembled gang of children long at all to find Archer, especially as you were completely right about his current location. Standing in one of your dining rooms and looking at the attached kitchen, clearly admiring the design and high quality of the many appliances you paid top dollar for. Or... well, Yen, but it's a figure of speech.Now's the time. "So, Rin, was your experiment in the Second True Magic really this successful? Haven't you always been this age?" You ask the small girl walking at your side.
"Oh, that's just it, Makiri-kun! Because of my experiment, I've always been this age! In fact, with the changes to the timeline, you only met me a few days ago!" Rin says with a playful voice, happy to play along with your prank. "Still, I... I wasn't expecting it to be this effective... I only wanted to become a year or two younger, but... I guess being adopted by you isn't all that bad!" She's playing her part perfectly. You glance briefly over in Archer's direction, giving him a brief nod, he's trying to keep the blatant confusion out of his face as his brain attempts to add things up that simply don't make sense. "Well, that's alright, Rin. Honestly, for a moment, I was really worried about you! But anyway, I think I should create something nice for everyone in celebration!" You say to the group as you walk into the kitchen, straight past the Archer who is focusing on the tiny Rin. You begin to rifle through the cupboards, keeping an eye on the clearly shocked man as you do. Eventually, you decide to just give everyone some ice cream instead of cooking anything, they didn't have breakfast that long ago, after all, and while it might not be good parenting to give your daughters ice cream randomly, you'll do what you want, and screw anybody who says otherwise.You get a little bit carried away with making all the girls an ice cream sundae each, though you keep talking to the girls as you do. "Sakura might think it's a bit odd, being her sister's mother... but then again, with Tiamat within her, that's... kind of the case anyway, I guess?" It's kind of funny how that works out, oh well, Sakura seems to have Tiamat almost entirely under her control, even when she draws upon Tiamat's power, it's never that difficult for her to reign the mother goddess back in. Even if her first time drawing on Tiamat's power was a little bit worrisome, she seems to have things under control now. You also carelessly let slip that you're at some point planning to marry Sakura, just to further confuse Archer.You quickly finish making the ice cream sundaes, and bring them out for everyone at the table. Of course, you even make one for the snake coiled around Alítheia's horn as well as the fox pup. "Enjoy, everyone!" You smile at the girls, who quickly start to eat the ice cream. The snake slides off of Alítheia horn and dangles down to eat its own ice cream by lapping at it with its tongue. It's... strangely cute.
"OK, that's quite enough of this, Shinji, would you mind telling me what's going on? This is some sort of illusion, right?" Archer seems to be very confused. "I mean... I know that Rin can't be in this room, I can feel where she is through our link, but... That's... That's definitely Rin!" Archer tries to reason things out, but is very much incapable of doing so.>"What do you mean Archer? This is Rin. My daughter!">"You're acting weird again, Shirou. Go see your dad. He's in Illya's room.">"Huh? What are you talking about? Are your memories alright, Archer?">"You've seen nothing yet, Shirou, old buddy.">Just stare at Archer and smirk. Do not break eye contact.>Write-in...
>>4799001>"What do you mean Archer? This is Rin. My daughter!">"You're acting weird again, Shirou. Go see your dad. He's in Illya's room.">"Huh? What are you talking about? Are your memories alright, Archer?">"You've seen nothing yet, Shirou, old buddy."
Thanks for bringing up S;G, QM, now I'm listening to Gate of Steiner and wallowing in melancholy.I don't even want to prank Archer anymore, I just want everyone to be happy.Also Kurisu-tina best girl.
>>4799001>"You're acting weird again, Archer. Go see your dad. He's in Illya's room."Didnt he ask us to not reveal who he is to anyone else?
>>4799001>>"What do you mean Archer? This is Rin. My daughter!">>"Huh? What are you talking about? Are your memories alright, Archer?">>"You're acting weird again, Shirou. Go see your dad. He's in Illya's room."This flows really good
>>4799004>Also Kurisu-tina best girl.Good taste.Never listen to a single episode of the dub even as a joke.It will ruin her forever.
>>4799004Agreed anon.And let's not call Archer Shirou in front of the little chatterboxes, we promised to keep his secret.
>>4799001>Stare at Archer and smirk for whole time. Do not break eye contact.>"What do you mean Archer? This is Rin. My daughter!">"Huh? What are you talking about? Are your memories alright, Archer?">"Go see your dad. He's in Illya's room."
>>4799001>Just stare at Archer and smirk. Do not break eye contact.>Burst out laughing. Just a prank, bro>"Go see your Rin, she'll explain everything.">"And you should know that Kiritsugu is back in his body, with Illya and Shirou."Rin Prime will laugh too when Archer asks her. Let's spread the joy.
>>4798999>Sakura might think it's a bit odd, being her sister's motherGonna get weirder when we make Rin take care of little Rin too
>>4799022This family tree is going to look like a spiderweb.
>>4799024very British of us to turn a family tree into a circle
>>4799025Circle is too simple anon. Spiderweb is better. Fractal would be best.
>>4799001>>Just stare at Archer and smirk. Do not break eye contact.Give him one of the ShinjiCreep™ smiles
>>4799025its going to be a Tesseract at this rate
>>4799028>>4799037future family tree
>>4799042MUCH too simple. Not even taking into account our future biological sons getting attracted to our adopted daughters.
>>4799042The guy in the chart is such a chad he not only fucks his daughters but also his grandaughters as well. We need to learn from him.
>>4799048he did it enough to the point where he straight up cloned himself
>>4799048I'll make it happen
>>4799042I need some statistics on this chart and the effects of doing this does.
Calling in 15
>>4799008I thought we werent blowing his cover too hardJust call him Mr. High Jump or something
>>4799070doesn't really matter since my vote isn't gonna win
>>4799003>>4799012>>4799008>>4799031>>4799013>>4799020>>4799021>>4799023>>4799043>>4799063>Just stare at Archer and smirk. Do not break eye contact.>Burst out laughing. Just a prank, bro>"Go see your Rin, she'll explain everything.">"And you should know that Kiritsugu is back in his body, with Illya and Shirou."This wins.Also, what are we doing next, since Archer will leave the room? Is calling Waver next?
>>4799081Sure, you can call Waver next.
>>4799083Well, that's what the schedule says.
>>4799083Is Sakura gonna kill Shinji once she learns he disobeyed her orders?
>>4799090No, she's just going to make a sad face at you.
>>4799090We're just calling him to check if he's ok, for peace of mind.Is Sakura really going to be sad for a 5 minute phone call?
>>4799090Sakura ordered us not to meet with Waver. She said nothing about calling. And she'll forgive us easily, she's too similar to us. She can't be happy unless we're happy, and we can't be happy unless our friends are happy. And Waver is very much not happy while he's worrying about Gray.
Not to mention that the whole Morrigan thing or the Rinfest were way, way, WAY worse than just calling Waver.
>>4799096You're honestly full of shit when you complain about everyone not caring about Sakura’s feelings
>>4799135Was this maybe supposed to be addressed to me?
>>4799151Confirmed she going to make a sad face so Shinji better hide in the bathroom or something.
>>4799153Well then. Let's review today, shall we?>Used Sakura's deepest fears to get her to accept equality in the haremThis hurt Sakura. Deeply. She almost cried.>Pushing to fight MorriganExactly the thing she told us not to do today: Life or death situation. Work. She's definitely upset.>RinfestNot exactly relaxing. She's probably somewhat upset that we did something this stressful, but at least it wasn't really work for us.>Quick call to a friend to make sure he's okNot work. Not stressful at all. Makes a friend happier. She might be a tiny bit upset that we prioritized someone else again, but she'll definitely understand. It's what we always do, and what she always does.Have I helped you understand the differences, anon?
>"Why can't you think about yourself for once, Onii-chan?"
You stare at Archer for a time, sitting at the table and just making nothing but silent eye contact with the red garbed Servant for a great deal of time, at least until it starts visibly frustrating him that nobody is answering his question. Seriously, this is hilarious, but... well, you can't just keep this up forever, especially because it will only take Archer as long as it takes him to remember he can mentally communicate to Rin to end your little facade and ruin the prank, so after remaining in direct eye contact with Archer for a long enough period, you burst out laughing."Hahahahahaha!" Archer is... less than pleased at your sudden mirth, and looks downright annoyed that you're now laughing at him. "Ah... Right, it... It was just a prank, bro." You say with the smuggest grin you can possibly manage. "Now, if you want answers, then I suggest you go see your Rin, she'll explain things much better than I can." An expression of understanding appears on Archer's face, and he starts to leave the room. "Oh! And go see Illya as well, Kiritsugu is back in his normal body right now! I feel like you might want to have a few words with him!" You yell out after the white haired man."Yeah, I'll go do that. Thanks, Shinji." He keeps his voice calm as he leaves the room. Hiding his previous annoyance and irritation quite well as he goes off to get to the bottom of this, well... he'll probably realize that it's got to do with the Second True Magic anyway, he's not that dense, and he'd almost certainly prefer getting to see his father once again than he would have Rin deliver some exposition to him. He's probably had enough of Rin delivering exposition to him for a lifetime, after all, and considering just who he is, younger alternate selves should be something he's familiar enough with. You're a little annoyed by the fact that his confusion didn't last for longer, but you suppose that when it comes to somebody like Archer, actually keeping him baffled or bewildered for more than a few minutes is very difficult indeed. He's quite a logical person, except when Shirou is involved, at least, but hey, nobody is perfect. "Well, girls, enjoying your ice cream?" You decide to focus on something else now that Archer is gone. It was amusing to pull the prank on the man, and you feel like you could've kept it going for longer, but it wouldn't really have been amusing if you just kept it going for that long. You receive happy nods from the girls, which seems to annoy the snake currently dangling from one of Alítheia's horns, disrupting its efforts to actually consume the frozen treat. You don't exactly know why you prepared a sundae for the snake, but the fact that it seems to be enjoying it is evidence enough that it's more than intelligent enough, so you're glad you did so anyway.
"I don't really get why you wanted to play a prank on that man..." Young Rin just muses as she too eats her ice cream. "I just wanted to get him to lighten up a little, Rin. Archer is the sort of person to pretend that he's far tougher than he actually is, and I want him to stop pretending to be something that he isn't." Honestly, even with all the emotional trauma that he's gone through, at the core of his being, Archer is very much still Shirou Emiya, and no amount of killing or attempting to hide that truth will ever change that. "Sometimes, hiding who you truly are can hurt the ones you care about more than anything else." Like say, pretending not to even know who Sakura is. Hopefully Rin will take this lesson to heart. "Now, I've got to make a phone call real quick.""What's a phone call?" Rin asks innocently. "..." You look at Rin for a moment, almost in disbelief at her complete lack of technology knowledge. Of course, she'd be even worse than your own Rin! "It's a... uh... It's a communications device, think of it as a sort of... advanced two way connection Mystic Code that transmits voice over a long distance through the use of space-based mediums." You explain things in a needlessly over complicated manner, but..."Oh! That makes sense! That sounds like a powerful Mystic Code!" Rin says, quite cheerfully. It looks like no matter what else, the prank and the ice cream have made her feel a little bit better about being here in the first place, it seems. Good, at least she's not having a bad time being here, you don't want to send her home just yet, but you also don't want her feeling like her time here is as a prisoner. "Haha... Yeah, anyway..." You take your phone out of your pocket and dial Waver's cell. Hopefully he actually picks up this time. The phone dials once. Then twice. Then on the third dial, somebody picks up."Oh, is that you Shinji?" Waver's voice has a hint of subdued panic and worry to it. "Things got... a little hectic last night... huh?" Waver sounds just a little guilty. "I... I think I already know what you're going to ask." The man on the other end of the call sighs.>"Waver, do you know where everyone is right now?">"Waver, can you tell me the identity of the Servants you had summoned?">"Is Gray alright? Do you know where she is?">"Do you want to come see me? I might've happened to have captured Iskandar...">"What were you thinking?">Write-in...
>>"Waver, do you know where everyone is right now?">>"Is Gray alright? Do you know where she is?">>"Waver, can you tell me the identity of the Servants you had summoned?">>"I have something I wanted to show you but it's going to have to wait. I'll meet you tomorrow the first chance I get, I'm otherwise occupied for the day." Thoughts?
Oh boy, we can mold this Rin into the only one that can use technology!
>>4799174>"Waver, do you know where everyone is right now?">"Is Gray alright? Do you know where she is?">"She's alive, Caster told me so. We'll get her back, don't worry.">""You should come see me tomorrow. I might've happened to have captured Iskandar... But definitely not today. I can't help him today. Please don't insist. You waited for ten years, you can wait for a day. I promise you'll talk to him tomorrow.""How are you holding up?"Everything else is work related and can wait until tomorrow.
>>4799185An excellent idea to finally get Rin Prime to understand how to use a DVD. And with Rin Prime's and Para's tutelage from such a young age, this Rin might even come to rival Prime in the future.
>>4799185>little Rin bullying her mother/future self because she can't use a DVRSoon(tm)
>>4799193Rin Prime can use the 2nd to learn everything another Rin knows, anon.
Last update for the day, WhatIs?
>>4799195>Rin Prime getting bullied because she needed to steal knowledge from a little girl to use a DVRSoon(tm)
>>4799174>>Write-in..."I'm gonna beat your ass if Gray dies okay?"
>>4799195Even so, this just means that Rin will be able to use a single specific brand of DVR.The moment she encounters one of a different layout is the moment she starts pushing buttons at random.
It's a shame that you made Ereshkigal faint by flirting at her too hard, she would've loved to have been able to discuss ideas for her new underworld with you.
>>4799215We can wait until she wakes up.Is the big hole next to the Eiznbern mansion that Zolgen was using still there? I'm sure Ilya won't mind letting her set new Kur there.
>>4799221Just use it on Manaka to move the very destructive fight away from the city. We just need to fuel her with enough power that her NP creates a new underworld.
I'm curious, if all of the Servants (Specifically Servants) in your faction fought, who do you think would win?No Sakura doesn't count.
>>4799249Probably Enkidu if he counts.
Once we rescue gray are we going to add her to the harem?
>>4799249Gilgamesh if he doesn't job.So maybe Gorgon Medusa or Enkidu.
Rinfest is over.Now post Sakura.
>>4799249Is Vritra's Vajra A+ STR level or A+ NP with the slightest touch?
>>4799293Yeah, they are basically heat-seeking missiles that she only needs to touch gently to make target whatever she wants.
>>4799293and A+ NP level.
>>4799303Then its basically Vritra vs Enkidu to see if he can become a chain that can bind her, as she can blow everyone up too fast, and both are immortal. Stalemate or Enkidu win still. Liberation is really good for clay.
>>4799315I wonder if you'd still think that if you knew everyone's currently unknown NPs
>>4799321I have no idea, since Supreme Nobu, Chiyome etc are still ???
>>4799326Saver Nero's too.Well, somewhat.Surprised you aren't more interested in asking about them or guessing about them.
>>4799328I also want to ask about Aoko's Magic, the NPs and just what some can do in general (Does Nero know magecraft? What can Scath runes do, can she do the Death Rune?), but schedule is packed and I can't speculate as it could be anything once concepts/bullshit came in.
tfw billy still out and about, completely lost on what all is happening around him, and everyone else is getting powerups.My boy gets no love. NO LOVE!
>>4799286cursed Tohsaka Sakura
>>4799379>cursedAre you sure
>>4799249Enkidu is essentially unkillable
>>4799174>>4799180Support.(Man not a lot of votes right now huh. Then again it is night time for most people)
>>4799215 An it really be called flirting when it was a genuine expression to grant her her desire and to let her do something she should be good at?
>>4799215We didn't really flirt with her though. At all. We just granted her her wish. Dscussing the new underworld isn't that time critical anyway.>>4799249I'm gonna go with Vritra from what we currently know.>>4799286Gladly!It's so hard to pick just one.>>4799379Definitely not cursed, but Sakura looks so much better with purple hair.>>4799565Suprisingly little overnight voting, yeah.And can we please not ask Waver about his Servants? We're calling to help a friend feel better, and the identity of his Servants is very much work related. We're seeing him tomorrow, we'll ask then.
>>4799174>I’m just glad you’re alright, man. We’ll set things right.>Do you have any news on how or where Gray is? I wanted to look for her when I kind of passed out.> And you might want to come over. My friends are having me take it easy but I’d rather not keep you from your friend longer than necessary.>also be extra careful out there. I’m sure you’re aware crazy stuff is afoot.
>>4799215No. It was totally worth it.>>4799249Gil, Enkidu, Vritra. In terms of pure performance. But Vritra need a Rider to do her very best.Chiyome if she has Truth Bunrei can do very well. Medusa is super versatile but I don`t expect much from here other than looking cute.Nobu has huge advantage against most of people in our faction but I don`t expect much from her in the actual combat either.Nero was always strong but she is likely extremely situational as a Saver.Betty and Suzuka are unranked for this.>>4799286>Rinfest is over.No. Give me Rin Matou.
>>4799174>Ash Waver how he and his group are holding up>Ask Waver if he knows if Gray is well or not and her current whereabouts>Tell Waver it was really dumb not to contact you right away and trust shady incubus instead>Tell Waver you dealt with Orochi and had a strong word with Merlin about using him and his friends as tools and bait>Tell Waver to sit tight while you do clean up duty after yesterday and promise to explain things properly tomorrow and give him back Iskandar for good behaviorBest flow of conversation I can think of right now.
>>4799174Switch >>4799188 to support >>4799735It really is the best.I can't stop myself from posting more Sakura
>>4799758Yk sometimes i forget that Sakura is actually hot
>>4799768>Sakura is actually hotBB is supposed to have the exact same body as Sakura but I can`t really think of them of them in equal term of hotness.Can`t imagine Sakura taking this idea well.
>>4799797its imouto lens that kinda make me forget about Sakura, BB is a massive flirt
>>4799768Now, that's not something you should be forgetting anon.
>>4799797>>4799798It's all a matter of confidence.
>>4799807Nice girls finish last.
>>4799798>>4799804>>4799807probably why Sakura seems hotter when she's being flirty and schemes to spend more time with us
>>4799816Unless there's a threat of them going berserk.
>>4799807And that's why happy, post-HF Sakura is the best Sakura.That spring in her step, man>>4799819I'm biased, I always see her as really fucking hot, but yeah, I can understand that.
>>4799824I am certain she will if we dodge night duties again.
>>4799001Dunno if this went through yet as I'm just catching up, but this is a perfect moment for a very OG Shinji "Emiyaaa kunnn" reply
Screw it, I've had no sleep but I can always have a nap.What won?
>>4799826Its also that monkey brain thing of "must protect and make happy" that kinda makes me overlook that she's also extremely fucking hot
>>4799842we have a tie
>>4799826>happy, post-HF Sakura is the best Sakura.For all the trash talk Sweets gets from anons I still impressed how well he made Alberich trample all over hard won victory and happiness of Emiya family in Awakening.
>>4799844I must be wired differently then, the two are extremely entwined for me.>>4799848You're probably counting yourself twice.
>>4799853Literally, what was the point of doing that
>>4799853>how wellThat is not the word I would use. I'm still seething at the thought, even if I've never actually read it.>>4799856Edge?
>>4799853He still dies the moment he goes into Unlimited Blade Works if Shirou doesn't somehow forget how to use his Reality Marble and went through all the effort of making a Broken Phantasm arrow while standing inside UBW.Or if Cybele didn't just do absolutely nothing to a guy who only had B rank Magical Energy.>>4799856There was no point at all.The major conflict between the two factions was.>"Grail corrupted, do not use!"vs>"Don't believe you!"And this spiralled into Alberich murdering them after they were understandably upset that he murdered an entire city block for a heal/power-up.
>>4799337Nero was taught Magecraft by Simon Magus, she's an absolute prodigy. It took Peter the Apostle's spell nullification to bring Simon down while he was busy flying around dabbing on him in an Imperial Court magic contest.Simon can revive himself after decapitation, and Nero learnt that technique herself. It's her Undying Magus skill as a Caster. It's also termed as actual "resurrection", while also empowering the fuck out of the target.
>>4799859>That is not the word I would use.Not the word I would use either.It was just plot armor.In fact, the moment Alberich got into his first fight with Shirou, that was it.There was a cutscene.The players couldn't choose how they would fight all they way until the fight was over with Alberich jobbing to a single traced Noble Phantasm that also hit Shirou because sure why not.
>>4799876Meant more if Saver Nero retains her magecraft, because I am unsure if the Saver Class container restricts her to such a degree or not.
>>4799894Extra classes seem to not have the same restrictions that the standard set have.Nero really just prefers fighting with her sword and abusing IP to compete. She's much better as a Caster it's just not flashy enough for her, somehow? Despite all the powerful spells she should be capable of.
>>4799900So Nero is the original sword autist?
>>4799900How needs to be a Caster when you have a magic juice box?
>>4799905She just thinks they're neat.>>4799906Surprised she doesn't pull a Merlin and just transfigure anything she doesn't like into clouds of roses to pain the town red
>>4799856Majority of playes had really weird obsession with simping for not-Illya and Acht.Even though Circe was best girl and Alberich had his chuuni sister ready to go too.>>4799859>>4799882>That is not the word I would use.Purely in terms of set up with all meta knowledge readers have.I was rereading few parts of it in archives after it was brought up last time. I got reminded that initially Sakura and Shirou really pitied Alberich after he went about how Judas made him consume souls and remade him with imaginary numbers. Got his hand held and a small talk about "don`t let yourself be consumed by evil of the world, we know how bad that shit goes so feel free to talk about it".>>4799900>>4799905>>4799906Castoria.
>>4799905Nero is just an autist.Hephaestus is probably the original sword autist.Have I mentioned how much cooler it would've been if Shirou was being possessed by Hephaestus instead of JAPAN STRONK in FGO? Because it would've been way cooler.
>>4799911In Nasu didn't Nero even life also have shades of Beast stuff or just being weirdly strong even for her era?
>>4799914I don't think anybody actually wanted to be Shirou's enemy at the start up until the Einzbern simping began and everyone started salivating over the idea of the Third True Magic for some bizarre reason.Oh, and another problem with Shirou forgetting his abilities was that he forgot that he could just trace Harpe for everyone to use against Achilles.But that would've ruined Odin's killsteal.
>>4799918fuck you Muramasa and Masamune are fucking based
>>4799928At the end of the day, Alberich was effectively just a typical magus with pedophilic tendencies and plot armor.That was the hero Judas made.The closest thing Judas actually made to a hero was Chad Thunderspear, and he was a retard.
>>4799914>simping for AchtI remember some of those guys here too, arguing for us not to betray the Einzbern alliance for some goddamn reason. Thank fuck they're gone.>got reminded that initially Sakura and Shirou really pitied Alberich after he went about how Judas made him consume souls and remade him with imaginary numbers. Got his hand held and a small talk about "don`t let yourself be consumed by evil of the world, we know how bad that shit goes so feel free to talk about it".God fucking dammit, this makes it worse.>>4799918>Hephaestus pseudoing Shirou in ChaldeaREEEEEEEEEEEEE>>4799928>Einzbern simpingI literally cannot comprehend those people. Are they even human?
>>4799918You're supposed to turn your brain off and clap, kyoudai >>4799922Chicken and egg, she was an absolute unit, but the changed perceptions making her name equate to 666 didn't happen until after her birth. Maybe cursed by timeline revision?Maybe born with Beast aptitude?Maybe groomed into it by AgrippaHer favoured sword has the inscription regnum caelorum et gehenna (the kingdom of heaven and hell) so who knows? maybe a mix of grooming, aptitude and timeline revision?
>>4799918>how much coolerSorry. No more cool things allowed.>>4799928At least my hands are clean on that whole thing since I clearly remember voting to attack Odin with Emiyas after Achilles was killed.
honestly how hard is it to write a HGW as a quest? Making servant sheets is really fun but then again I don't want to be forced to go along with anons and their bloodthirsty decisions
>>4799943Structure a quest that ensures only bad ends await murderhobo and coomer decisions
>>4799943We haven't killed a single named character here. Bloodthirst is not a given. As the QM you can encourage the direction you want with the proper consequences.>>4799948This
>>4799933Yeah, but it's kind of a waste to just use Unlimited Blade Works to make one shitty knock-off sword.Shirou can already do that with shitty knock-off Excalibur.>>4799937>REEEEEEEEEEEEEBetter than straight up being meatpuppeted by a grumpy old man.Who is making you work alongside KIREI KOTOMINE of all people.>God fucking dammit, this makes it worse.They did nothing but offer help and assistance until Alberich tried to murder them, even after that Shirou was more than happy to just let it go until Alberich kidnapped and mindraped Medusa into a loli, even after that Shirou didn't really want to kill him, and then he used the mindraped Medusa loli to bloodfort a cityblock.Bloodfort isn't even something that Loli Medusa should have access to.>I literally cannot comprehend those people. Are they even human?For some reason, a lot of players thought that the Einzbern were their best shot at incarnation, and the little girl called Alberich 'Onii-chan'.
>>4799950Except Kirei but he dies in every timeline so it was inevitable
>>4799936>The closest thing Judas actually made to a hero was Chad Thunderspear, and he was a retard.Being a retard is an important part of being a typical hero.>>4799943Small steps to hell. It is not like Alberich started with Pedo`s Charisma skill.But I think you will be fine as long as you made players feel inclined to act good or at least try to have a proper moral compass.
>>4799953Let me explain.https://vocaroo.com/1hcRjyj0cJ10UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CUNNY EROTIC UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>4799953>Better than straight up being meatpuppeted by a grumpy old man.Better, but still meatpuppeting. Still REEE-worthy>They did nothing but offer help and assistance until Alberich tried to murder themThat's exactly what they would do, yes. Everything new you guys tell me just make it worse.>For some reason, a lot of players thought that the Einzbern were their best shot at incarnation, and the little girl called Alberich 'Onii-chan'.I can understand the little girl. But the Einzbern as a faction? Acht? What the actual fuck? And even here there were some, thankfully a few, people calling for us to genuinely keep working with (for?) Acht even after Illya got here. I'm sure that if we'd gone with Kerry and gotten enslaved, those people would have been calling for us to never try and break out.>>4799956Technically Rin killed him. Our hands are clean. But you did remind me we killed grandpa personally, so our total body count in this fucked up war is one (1) evil worm.
>>4799960>Pedo`s Charisma skillwhat skill?
>>4799960>But I think you will be fine as long as you made players feel inclined to act good or at least try to have a proper moral compass.That was the big problem with Awakening.You got more out of just being evil than you did by trying to remain good.So players gleefully slid down the slide of being morally reprehensible.>>4799978Predatory Charisma.Yes, it's as bad as it sounds."Especially effective on women, especially upon those with youthful appearances.">>4799975>That's exactly what they would do, yes. Oh right, Alberich also kidnapped Saber and forcibly turned her into Saber Alter after keeping her in a basement for a few days.Not sure how that makes you feel.I don't think the unaltered Saber ever got to see Shirou and Sakura again
The one thing I will give Muramasa Shirou is that the chink elements make the EMIYA theme kinohttps://youtu.be/CscTM7dqueI url is almost duel, my hands are clapping on their own
>>4799984>Not sure how that makes you feel.>I don't think the unaltered Saber ever got to see Shirou and Sakura againREEEEEEEE
>>4799989>chink elementsThis is better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4ama961XU>>4799994If it makes you feel any better, Saber Alter constantly called Alberich a faggot.
Luvia currently has Sapphire, correct?I want to lend it to Chiyome for reasons
>>4799975>Everything new you guys tell me just make it worse.I honestly suggest you give it a read. It is quite the experience and makes you really appreciate our decision making.>>4799978>Predatory Charisma: C>At times the appeal of a dangerous rebel, at others the refinement of an older gentleman; the charisma associated with a natural predator appears in any society. This represents the natural talent to lead, command, and manipulate, focused through Saber's particular approach to humanity. Whether Saber is truly capable of becoming a legendary military leader or statesman is uncertain, but his experiences have demonstrated him to be an outstanding leader on a small scale. Saber's charisma is enhanced when attempting to persuade or court women, and further so if the other party appears particularly youthful. https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5bAll in the archives.
>>4800005It's hard to compete with an actual Shamisen, the most kino oriental instrument
>>4800005Would have been even better if she excaliblasted him until not even ashes remained, but I'll take what little satisfaction I can get out of that shitshow.>>4800012>I honestly suggest you give it a readNo
>>4800012Let me just fix that.>Predatory Charisma: C>At times the appeal of a dangerous rebel, at others the refinement of an older gentleman; the charisma associated with a natural predator appears in any society. This represents the natural talent to lead, command, and manipulate, focused through Saber's particular approach to humanity. Whether Saber is truly capable of becoming a legendary military leader or statesman is uncertain, but his experiences have demonstrated him to be an outstanding pedophile. UUUUUUUOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EROTIC
>>4800017>Would have been even better if she excaliblasted him until not even ashes remained, She actually does do that in one of the bad ends.
>>4800017City Akeldama was a very solid story
>>4800017You can read it for bad ends!>>4800020You forgot about conceptual weakness to get SPHERED.>>4800022>bad end
>>4800029MANTICORE-SAMA!? SKELETON-SAMA?PLEASE NOOOOOO!
>>4800022Should have ended the Quest right there and then.>>4800027I know how it ends. I won't enjoy it, even if it does start out good.
>>4800034It ends with Rushiro killing Judas and dying as Akeldama can't be sustained anymore, everyone was just a dream ffx end
>>4800033FINAL BOSS REVEALS HIMSELF.
*blows your house and cripples you*
>>4800044A guy so powerful that he destroyed suspension of belief after dabbing on two servants immediately one after the other, revealed he defeated Arturia in a fight, and then disappeared with a smoke bomb like a ninja.I still have no idea how that happened.
>>4800036>As his last move Judas traps Yumigawa in eternal nightmare twisting him into worst versions of himself and turning his love for Circe into pure abusive hatred masqueraded as love
>>4800048He also stole speed or something and made his body operate at like 25x speed.Which didn't immediately turn him into paste for some reason.Maybe he was the Flash and he was using the Speedforce.
>>4800048eh kills magic and doesn't afraid of anything
>>4800048>Alberich, try to remember basics of magecraft
I still think the funniest part about how useless the lightsaber sword is was the fact that the moment Alberich just decided to stop using it and punch his opponent he immediately succeeded and they ran away after being punched a single time.Hilarious, in hindsight.
>>4800048>Demonic Nature of Oni: A->A skill which combines aspects of Natural Demon, Monstrous Strength, Charisma, and Mana Burst. Although an imitation god, Caster's true nature is that of a dangerous apparition, a strangely ephemeral Oni. By the use of this skill, Caster can temporarily display the physical power one would expect from such a being.And chuuni sister has this shit and still got trashed in melee by human.
>>4800064Wow, I think she got trashed so hard it got ranked down from A to A-.I swear I remember it being A ranked.
>>4800068Oh! I think it's because Sweets for some reason decided that Shuten and Ibaraki's base stats were with Oni-Kind Demon taken into account.He just couldn't handle the fact that Shuten, one of Japan's Three Great Monsters was so swole as Assassin and could still apply Oni-Kind.
>>4800068>>4800077Are you going to question that she has Mana Burst and Alberich don`t?
>>4800081Shooting magical energy out of your legs very difficult for natural magecraft genius.Please understand.
>>4800084Since we are on this topic. Can Rin Kotomine kill Alberich?
>>4800094With the power of Ishtar?
>>4800095I am interesting in both versions. He got killed by an executor that one time I think?
>>4800097He got almost snuck up on and killed, but it was honestly as good as a bad end because he only got saved by another guy trying to kill him.Rin Kotomine has a chance of stealth ganking if she has some sort of talisman to prevent herself from being seen, while Kotomine Ishtar stomps Alberich by shooting Venus at him or by throwing supercharged divine Black Keys by slotting gems into the hilts.
>>4800102>Rin Kotomine has a chance of stealth ganking if she has some sort of talisman to prevent herself from being seenCiel, get the shroud.>Kotomine Ishtar stomps Alberich by shooting Venus at him or by throwing supercharged divine Black Keys by slotting gems into the hiltsShe got all cool powers? Neat. Looking forward to see her sheet and to see her fight.
>>4800126I hope people like mine more
>>4800130Sweets' Judas was just a Kotomine Pseudo.
>>4800133Longinus is a pathetic jobber in Akeldama
>>4800135>Lance of Longinus>Potentially the most legendary artifact in history.>B rank NP that just does a good stab
>>4800135His NP is a pointy aids needle
>>4800130You're setting a really, really low bar for yourself.But back to a more important topic, namely a happy Sakura: Behold!
>>4800144When is this happening in story? There are plenty around.
>>4800146I'm not sure I understand the question. Plenty of what?
Personally I liked how Roland couldn't use any of the Three Miracles he had access to through Durandal because ????? and was a massive worthless weakling jobber despite being the strongest of Charlie's Paladins.The whole point of the Rider class is having Noble Phantasms.
>>4800150He should have fought naked while t-posing in the full moon to not job
>>4800151Oh, you were talking about your image. Next week, I imagine. Save the world first, encourage our witch wife's passion for fashion design second.
>>4800155The Saber in the pink strawberry dress looks so uncomfortable.It's adorable.
>>4800156>It's adorable.Medea agrees
"Well, first off, Waver... How is everyone holding up?" You mostly just want to make sure that he's safe, along with the rest of his faction. While you don't personally know many of them besides Waver and Luvia, you still want to actually properly acquaint yourself with "Oh... Well, we're... physically we're holding up pretty well... Nobody is happy about having their Servant taken from them though, especially not Kairi... And Flat disappeared just before the flood hit, so... I'm not entirely sure where he went, though he probably still has his Servant... Which is honestly kind of worrying, considering who I think his Servant is..." Waver sighs, clearly, he's had enough of this Grail War already. He's only been in the city for a day and already he's suffered complete and utter defeat at the hands of Manaka, and he wasnt even her primary target!"Wait... Flat disappeared?" You're pretty stunned by that revelation. That useless asshole Merlin didn't reveal the whole story to you, again! Honestly, you've half a mind to kick his ass for this, but you'll just assume that he didn't know... at least until you're told otherwise. He's clearly trying his best here despite his orders from the other aspects of Alaya."Yeah. I think he might've managed to make his own escape from the wave somehow. He's not met up with us yet though, so I can only imagine what he might be doing right now." Waver sounds worried for his wayward student, but you know Flat as well, and you... aren't as worried about him. "Then... well, Gray and her Servant are missing as well... I think her Servant... he grabbed her just before the wave hit, and then... well, she wasn't brought with us." Well, that's really not reassuring. "I have no idea where she might be right now either, but I don't think she's in danger, strangely. Her Servant... he wouldn't show anybody his face and kept a hood up at all times, but he seemed... I don't know, reliable?" You don't really want to think of the possibilities of who Gray's Servant could be right now, and while you could ask for some more information from Waver, today is still your day off."You know, it was real stupid to trust the shady incubus and not just contact me personally, Waver. What did he tell you that made you so unwilling to trust me?"That your grandfather was plotting a brand new ritual that would end up destroying the planet, and that you were involved somehow. I wasn't going to take any chances upon being told that by Merlin, you know... Speaking of which, Reines wants to know if you've seen Olga and Merlin recently, you were in the forest last night, weren't you?"
"Not... really recently? I saw the two of them last night before I passed out from mental stress from stopping my grandfather from using a ginormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer and the power of Yamata-no-Orochi in the form of a Beast to summon and amalgamate dozens if not hundreds of gods into four separate primordial elemental beings that he would then use with conjunction with his new powers to absorb and go back to the origin point of creation to destroy reality in order to forge a single timeline where he reigned supreme, in the process killing countless quadrillions? Quintillions? Sextillions? It doesn't matter. The point is that everyone would've died, every single possible version of every single possible existence would end." Zolgen's plan really was an insane one, and if it wasn't for you, it would've probably gone off without a hitch. Unless Manaka herself decided to show up to stop Zolgen from getting his own way."What." Waver's voice is a flat tone, not that you can really blame him for his surprise, it does sound pretty unbelievable."Yeah, and now I have to stop an insane girl and her alternate counterpart, who both have direct connections to the root, from siphoning enough power from the Outer Gods in order to achieve a true apotheosis and become an existence beyond even the Root." By becoming an Outer Goddess, then there would be very little that could actually stop Manaka. In fact, seeing as Nyarlathotep was willing to destroy the planet just to stop her, you could even reasonably assume that she'd be superior in power to all of the Gods in this reality with the exception of maybe Azathoth and Yahweh."Good grief, I... I might be out of my depth here." Waver sounds even more worried than he did when he first answered the call, and you agree completely, honestly. He really is out of his depth. This grail war is unlike anything this world has ever seen, and is very much going to serve as the launching point for a new era. Your era. "This isn't something you'd find in a typical one of your Case Files, no. What's at stake here is reality itself. Last night you learned just how high the stakes were, but... Your Servants, you think they're dead, I take it?" You ask Waver with a interested tone. You want to know just how hopelessly ill-informed his faction is right now. They're missing Gray, they're missing Olga, and they're missing Flat. You're a little concerned about Olga, considering you haven't seen her or Merlin around the house, but the two of them are probably somewhere nearby, at least. You doubt that Merlin is stupid enough to run off after you told him what was going to happen if you think he deserves it.
"I... Are you telling me that they aren't?" Waver sounds just a little bit confused by your revelation that their Servants may have survived the deadly wave of mud that consumed the entire forest. Of course, it's very much a possibility that Manaka decided she didn't need any more Servants and just had the mud digest all those it caught within it directly into magical energy, it's far more likely that she's going to use the captured Servants for her own devices again, she's shown no difficulty in not just using Servants, but also empowering them greatly as well."It's probable that they aren't, but... well, they won't be our allies the next time we meet them, I promise you that much. I also promise you that I'll do what I can to save them." With Chiyome, Ereshkigal, and Nero on your side, unaltering a Servant and snapping them out of Manaka's control should be at least a somewhat simple process, if you can catch them unaware, at least. Manaka has access to spatial transportation magic, and that's something you shouldn't allow yourself to forget any time soon, considering how easily she used that magic to just effortlessly defeat your attempted assault. "Anyway, Orochi is defeated now, and I had a stern word with Merlin about using my friends as tools to try to stop me from saving the world." Honestly, that alone is enough to make you want to beat the shit out of Merlin, but you'll refrain for the sake of the world. "Right, I think that's about all I wanted to call you about, Waver. So just sit tight for now while I do some clean-up after yesterday. I promise I'll explain everything as best as I'm able to then, and I'll even give you Iskandar back too!" You know that Sakura will get upset if you focus on work too much today, so you're trying to take things easy. No meet-ups, just a phonecall."Wait, what?" Waver doesn't seem to quite catch your last words, or he does, but he just doesn't believe what he heard."Ciao!" You hang-up, and take a deep breath. You hope that Flat and Gray are OK, knowing the two of them, they're strong and should be able to survive by themselves, but... Against Manaka? Your best hope is that the two of them don't draw her notice, otherwise Gray is as good as Saber Alter's replacement. You take a deep breath, the subject of Merlin has gotten you somewhat worried about his current whereabouts, so you decide it might just be a good idea to track him down before doing anything else. But where on Earth would he be...? You don't even know if he came to your house with everyone else an hour or so ago.>Check your workshop to see if he's poking around in there.>Check the garden, he does seem to enjoy flowers.>Go fetch Medusa before looking for him.>Ask Medea if she could see if she can locate Merlin for you.>Go looking for Merlin and Olga with the girls.>Write-in...
>>4800165Based retard Flat
>>4800165Gray and CHADTHUR "APEX" PENDRAGON OOOOOUGHHHHHH
>>4800167>Check the garden, he does seem to enjoy flowers.Even if he isn't, its supposed to be a relaxing day.Maybe we'll find someone else there we can chat with.
>>4800165Autistic savant Flat does it again. I wonder what bullshit he's gotten himself into now.>>4800167>Ask Medea if she could see if she can locate Merlin for you.Let's not wander around randomly.
>>4800167>Tap the fox-sticker, ask Karna if he's seen the Incubus around at all and how his day has been so far.>Check your workshop first, then head to the gardens unless Karna says he has a location.>If Merlin is out, bring the girls on the walk so Betty can practice Sphere Mode
>>4800167Switch>>4800182 to >>4800185Eh, why not
>>4800187Don't tell the wife we're working you dope
It's a real shame you guys didn't ask Waver for details on Flat's Servant's appearance.
>>4800191But it's not work! We're just having a nice, relaxing conversation with the retard incubus and our future daughter!
>>4800192I genuinely forgot to vote, sumanai
>>4800192Details on Servants is definitely work. We'll ask tomorrow.
Also, doesn't the fox sticker broadcast to everyone who's wearing one? Can it do just two-way communications?
>>4800202Even if its only supposed to do two-way, I am pretty sure Tamamo is also listening in anyway.
>>4800202We're just asking about how Karna is doing, please understand.Tamamo is always listening, she's welcome to tag along with the kids too if she wants. We still needed to chat with her.
>>4800204The nigger's worried about Medea finding out, not Tamamo.
I'm surprised that conversation lasted only one update. Usually we take a lot longer.We might just finish this day before the month is over.
>>4800204Whatever could make you think your very cute and totally not controlling or anything Fox Wife would listen in on your private conversations again?
>>4800205And where Merlin is. You're not fooling Medea. It's the same as if we'd asked her to find him.>>4800207Short phonecall with a friend, just for the important stuff. It shouldn't be longer.
>>4800209Planning to work tomorrow isn't work, semantics.
>>4800208>imagine not automatically thinking any given Caster or item-maker would put their stuff full of backdoors and listening devices.This goes double for cursecraft users and court people.I am certain Tamamo is listening in, but I am also half certain Medea and Morgan also have listening device equivalents everywhere.
>>4800211At this point you should just assume that everyone has a listening device on you.Especially Gil.
>>4800210And yet you're worried about us speaking to Medea directly?>>4800211>half certainOnly half?
>>4800212Can they hear the voices in Shinji's head?>>4800213I'll vote for asking her after if we still need her help. Merlin should be depowered enough as the veil on the forest was lifted, but if he's just masking himself he should be ok. Remember he lost his Clairvoyance and the last thing he'd be accounting for is some autistic pajeet with telescope eyes vs all kinds of magical viewing. Good chance Manaka is tracking him down to finish the job so he'd be protecting against self scrying.
With Gray fine and Arthur around to protect her we are a bit safer. If Manaka captured her it would have been as bad as her capturing Nero.>>4800192I can think about only a few Servant who would make us drop everything and search for Flat. And from that Enkidu showed us it would be none of them.>>4800208She if free to send me some motivational material through Tamamophone at any moment.
>>4800218So you've got no intention to pursue the Flat lead?That's a shame.
Can some kind slave post the claemap figures again?I feel like trying to match Flat's autism to someone.
>>4800216I'm pretty sure we'll find him without her help. But what is it with you today? You keep inventing excuses for us not to rely on our very reliable witch wife.
>>4800222Day of rest man. Flat will manage on his own for a day.
>>4800222I was expecting to bump into him while we look for Merlin, he's probably squatting in our workshop or has taken a room because bounded fields don't real to him.>>4800225I just want more male presence in the story please understand. Karna is probably lonely.
>>4799797BB is so much better
>>4800225He's secretly Jason.
>>4800224Ask nicely and I'll see what I can do>>4800228Looking for Merlin isn't the first time it's happened either. I got my eyes on you, nigger.
And we can bring up topic of Servants with Merlin anyway.We just pretend to relax. Just a friendly chat with friendly looking wizard.>>4800222We will see how it goes.>>4800224>You look at the unfamiliar group of clay figures on the map of the forest first, looking at the larger group of that seems to slowly be making its way towards the Einzbern Castle's ruins. It's larger than you had first thought, consisting of 11 people. A man wearing a suit, a hooded girl, a girl with hair bunched in drills, a smaller boy without many distinguishing features, a gruff looking man wearing sunglasses, another small girl and... God damn it. This is Waver's group! What the hell is he doing in the forest? You look at the Servants instead. Of those, you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak, a somewhat tall woman with a long blade, a man with oriental looking armor and a bow, another man with armor, though this one has a blade. Another man with a cloak and... no shirt. Six Masters and five Servants. Looks like Enkidu wasn't capable of seeing through Assassin's Presence Concealment from this far away.
>>4800230Herakles! Σκότωσε αυτόν τον άντρα!
>>4800229>AI copy of AI copy that gets tricked by slut nun into doing her bidding, is an awful mother, and her entire personality revolves around trying to tease you/I have no mouth and I must scream you.I'm not seeing it.At least in Femme Fatale Sakura takes you to the rape dungeon, BB just straight up turns you into an everlasting supply of nutrient paste in her bad end.
And if Merlin tell us wrong info on Servants we will know right away. How could he ever knew that we know most of them?Without us asking Waver about them he may think he can bullshit us with fake into. Just some more general description and we are good.
>>4800239We're not talking to Merlin about Servants. That's work. It's a topic for another day.
>>4800233So, would Assassin be Flat's Servant, or we don't know? There IS one Assassin with Presence Concealment EX that isn't a Hassan. . .
What do you even want to talk to Merlin about anyway?Or are you just going to show up, call him an asshole and then steal his master?
>>4800244I don't know, why DID we want to see him?
>>4800232Women shouldn't fightMedea has done a lot lately, she also needs a chance to rest.Perseus, Raikou? Sushi?, Touta?, generic knight man, Leonidas? and mystery box Assassin with A+ or better PC I'd wager. Seeing as PD cuts through equal rank PC.He might actually have Jack forma da cunny? No other A+ PC Assassins really fit him. Berserker Jack only has an equivalent of B PC and only while it's night-time.
>>4800208She's never going to get her date
>>4800242MHX seals hers off because it's unbecoming of a Saber
>>4800237I just prefer her looks more. I'm not into fate for the characters.
>>4800244I dont even know why we have to find him right now
>>4800246I wouldn't be surprised if Flat summoned Mysterious Heroine X, and she does have Presence Concealment EX.Or it could be some "become one with the world" type stuff like Old Li's Sphere Boundary that fucked with Enkidu's sensing. Who else has nature or world shit as an assassin?
>>4800244I dunno, chat with him, ask him if he has any plans? Do we wanna concept him? Make him less of an ass? Any good concepts for him?
>>4800167>>Write-in...>ignore Merlin>have fun with the girls
>>4800249Flat summoning Berserker Jack also somehow sealed his Mad Enhancement. I am prepared for all the weird shit around him, or just the situation making MHX go "okay fine", with all the reality danger.
>>4800237Like seriously, when you purposely create one of your daughters with the sole intended function of killing and absorbing your other daughters, you're kind of a bitch.That's not even talking about poor King Protea.Or how Melt wasn't given a sense of touch.Or how Passionlip was given ginormous metal claws instead of hands as well as a portal to the recycle bin in her cleavage because "I thought it would be funny."At least Tamamo didn't intentionally create the rest of the Tamamo Nine.
>>4800244I think the reason was that in character we suddenly decided to see him for some reason? And all the prompts were about that. Thats about it?
>>4800250She is literally just Sakura wearing a different outfit what the fuck?
>>4800257I'm just following the schedule here.
>>4800244I want to ask what he thought of our Christmas song >>4800255 Maybe? She's goofy enough and Flat would break the barrier to Servantverse. There's no real nature related Assassins that might otherwise fool Enkidu that I can find that other than Yu. I won't write her off but doubt.png
>>4800256Can we summon the Alter Egos and make B.B take responsability?
>>4800260Fuck your schedule. I want to have fun with our daughters
>>4800256Just a prank meatoid
>>4800255Other than MHX, I guess it could be one of the Lis with Sphere Boundary, Kiichi Hougen doing some buddhist magic, or even something even weirder like it being Yu and her being a part of nature fucks with Enkidu's sensing.
>>4800260Did it say to meet Merlin now? I think I lost the schedule.
>>4800268There was a schedule reshuffle, but yes.
>>4800267Kiichi fighting BLACKED Sushi would be kino.Why does Sushi always get BLACKED? It's not fair. She's such a cute, loyal murderpuppy
>>4800262Is it possible Flat did something even more fucked and summoned something like Watcher?
>>4800272That would mean WhatIs intends for Flat to become a Servant tier character and make him a main cast member in something already bloated to fuck.
>>4800273Sorry, I can't hear you over my Clocktower Grail War with a hundred Servants.
>>4800258Yeah so she looks better
>>4800273You know, Tamamo Vitch's Presence Concealment Rank is unknown.
>>4800275I disagree.Dark Sakura has a much better outfit.
>>4800276Sorry but this grail war is actually my Noble Phantasm Akeldama, so it can't be skipped.
>>4800278I just like the slut look. When are we getting dark sakura?
>>4800280Its actually plausible, given she can casually infiltrate the Shadow Border and do stuff even with all the shit around, and it being in the Wandering Sea iirc.
>>4800282In the bedroom
>>4800279I'll have to use THATHow did I link to myself the first time? Lizposting sends your IQ into single digits I swear
>>4800284Would she really risk being around a Tamamo with Four Tails already though?Tamamo would almost certainly be able to sense her no matter what rank her Presence Concealment is.She's not trying to become the Fifth Tail here.
>>4800284Can't wait.>>4800289Immediately quashed any kind of fun.
>>4800291Vitch does have independant manifestation, so she could CHOOSE to show up at any time. But again, she's got no chance against the four tailed original.
You calling qm?
>>4800295Sure! What won?
>>4800289I'd rather the good one show up rather than one literally called Tamamo Bitch.>>4800296>Tap the fox-sticker, ask Karna if he's seen the Incubus around at all and how his day has been so far.>Check your workshop first, then head to the gardens unless Karna says he has a location.>If Merlin is out, bring the girls on the walk so Betty can practice Sphere Mode
>>4800296Where did half her thighs go?
>>4800297So... You're going to ask absolutely everyone if they've seen Merlin?
>>4800300I should've voted for >>4800254
>>4800300Why did you direct us to Merlin anyway?
>>4800303Schedule demanded it.
>>4800305I was tempted for a moment to have Lancer of Orochi be Liz.
>>4800304BLACKED Raikou is just going to be Gozu Tenno right?So we can call her an actual cow>>4800308Dead End to her voice
>>4800310I wonder how many times she's been BBad Ended by Sakura for pulling this shit.
>>4800301You still can anon
>>4800314Somebody post the gorilla arms version
>>4800314Cursed Arm pseudo
>>4800309>RaikouThis is going to be fun.
>>4800319Unrestricted access to giga brain too. Raikeks kneel indefinitely
>>4800317In spirit anon.
>>4800316>>4800318I like Astraea, but the stupid possession thing always annoys me.Why can't they all be like Waver or Reinnes?
>>4800300We could have asked our witch wife, but noooo, the nigger has something against her.>>4800303I just wanted us to tell Olga Marie what a brave girl she is and headpat her. Introduce her to our daughters too, ideally. Ask her if she wants to come with when we take them all to the park and the movie later. Who gives a fuck about Merlin?
>>4800325Why is her art so fucking ugly?>>4800327He needs to report to the house so Morgan can occupy herself with something that isn't potentially scheming behind our backs.
>>4800327Who even created the schedule rework?
>>4800325I feel bad for the Shirou subconsciously trapped inside his own body while Muramasa waifufags after Luvia as he works to destroy all of reality.
>>4800329I would accept Morgan babysitting Merlin while we take Olga out with the girls.>>4800330Me. There were no objections at the time.
>>4800329What is ugly? The arms?>>4800331Why does no one in FGO ever think possession is a big deal? It's horrifying.
>>4800332>Who gives a fuck about Merlin?Then why this?
>>4800334Mages are terrible people, Mashu was raised by them to find it normal, and Gudako has too little personality to care about something like that.>>4800335Because Olga Marie's with him.
>>4800332Why have you done this
>>4800334I could understand if nobody cared if there was absolutely nobody there who knew the host bodies.
>>4800334Arms, but the face in her first ascension especially. The artist actually offered to redo it free of charge as it was a rushed job between projects and delightworks just didn't bother fixing it.
>>4800339Like, Reinnes, Gray and Waver see Luvia being possessed and they think its funny. What the fuck.
>>4800339I could ALMOST understand if Pseudo Servant hosts were limited to like, exceptional magi and the highest quality bodies.Waver, Taiga and hell, even Reines disprove that.It's just cheap fanservice and attempting to gain money from Gacha.I promise you this, if FGO was a story told in a visual novel format without a built in slot machine, there wouldn't be any of this bullshit
>>4800345Here is whats gonna happen.>find Merlin>ask where Olga Marie is>if yes go get her>if no bet the fuck outta him until yes
>>4800343Everyone in the FGO timelines are maliciously evil and Goetia and the Alien God did nothing wrong.
>>4800346Would have been a very different story for sure.>>4800348I assume they're together and we'll completely ignore Merlin while we talk to her and headpat her, but if she's elsewhere I totally support this plan.
>>4800349Goetia is even following ahead/behind Guda and cleaning up all of the mess left behind across the LBs.
>>4800351Maybe quickly ask him to describe Flat's Servant.
>>4800357No. That's work. Potentially upsetting work. Flat will manage for a day.
Everyone always so mean to poor Merlin.I'm sure he'll redeem himself if you let him.
So why are we keeping merlin alive?
>>4800361We JUST learned that this massive retard lied to Waver about us being involved with grandpa's plan to get Waver to not trust us.
>>4800361There is no redemption for degenerates like him.
>>4800359You're taking this relaxation thing so seriously, as if it were work.
>>4800362He hasn't done anything worthy of being garden gnomed. Yet. He's inching closer though.
>>4800365Technically, you were involved in stopping it.He didn't tell a single lie!
>>4800369I hope to god he's not stupid enough to try that line.
>>4800365Did he know that though?He knew we were involved, but did he know we were trying to stop Zolgen?
99/100 Morgan soon.We will call her Moergan.
>>4800371He could see everything going on in the present. Manaka hadn't sealed his clairvoyance yet. He knew.
>>4800370I mean...this is the incubus who thought he was sinless until Tower in Avalon trapped him
>>4800369Its only a matter of time before we gnome him.
>>4800374He is a massive retard, but we did threaten him with Cybele. He SHOULD be more cautious around us.
No offense, but If this was Proto Merlin I bet everyone here would forgive her in 5 seconds.You know, like with Morgan, who is arguably multiple times worse than Merlin ever was.
>>4800373She did actually, pretty sure he said something to that effect.
With Eresh around we can also "nonlethally" subdue things but killing them in such a way that we collect just the soul and have them fix them up from that.Truth pokeballs
>>4800368We should just kill him. Save us some future troubles.
>>4800380But people die when they are killed and Eresh dislikes bringing them back frivolously.
>>4800380Souls should persist around as a rudimentary Wraith-like thing before passing to the Root usually? So we can grab some. Also like that one mention of an Astral Realm somewhere is ???
>>4800378No one has forgiven Morgan. Mordred is keeping her on a very tight leash, and she's been nothing but helpful. Our treatment of Merlin has been extremely lenient in comparison.And I don't see Morgan as "multiple times worse" than Merlin anyway.>>4800379That happened during the cursemud tidal wave. Merlin knew when he lied to Waver.
>>4800382Why stop there, we should kill everyone that’s not us, we’re the only one we can trust and there’s no point in taking any chances right?
>>4800386Yes, I'm sure Ereshgikal is going to now refuse a direct request from Shinji.
>>4800390True, I support this.
>>4800386? If we have the soul we can just have Betty or someone make a random body and have Morgan or Ilya put them in.
>>4800378Morgan was on her best behaviour and yet to do any shady stuff around us.Merlin was proactively fucking around and messing with our plans. He is yet to do anything super malicious to us but if he comes clean about his current machinations and promise to behave I see no point in gnoming him yet. We gave him forgivness yesterday and not retriving it retroactivly just because Waver told us that we guessed before anyway.But Olga goes to normal children and not creepy incubus.
>>4800392That would be disrespectful to her host for the immediate future :^)
>>4800386She'd do it for a kissAnd your hand in marriage.
>>4800397>normal childrenI don't know about THAT...>>4800392>>4800400What a bargain. Sure
>>4800399Who cares? This Rin is a retard who murdered Sakura.
>>4800399Sorry Nigg, but the host Rin has to start adapting.
>>4800392The deal is made
>>4800397Merlin is a professional groomer. He can't be allowed prolonged custody of children>>4800402It's an excuse to get what we want with a brief, no commitment grace period when we likely have some death about to arrive in droves in the next week.
>>4800401The closest thing you have to a normal child is a Silver Key who can mess with portals however she feels like when she gets her powers properly trained.
>>4800406>Professional Groomer>Just watched as his waifu was in a loveless marriage for years.>Kept watching as her sister broke into the castle and raped her because of the magical dick you gave her.Professional cuck.Why did he even give her a magic dick to raise an heir if he knew that Camelot was doomed to fall?
>>4800408Abby gets the concept of Heart so we can go ruin nomura's wild ride if we run out of nasuverse
>>4800400Speaking of death gods, a random idea came into my mind yesterday QM. What would happen if Shinji became a psuedo servant with Hades and Shinji had dominant control over the body? How would Eresh react to a fellow death god.
>>4800402Yeah, what a retard, killing a person that would destroy the entire world.
It is kind of funny how Manaka flashed us her Morrígan and we immediately one upped her with two superior goddess who also counter her goddess.>>4800399She will learn to love it.
>>4800409Merlin is a massive retard, news at 11?
>>4800408 Does this mean the fox is also weird or does she(?) not count?
>>4800402What was the deleted post Whatis
>>4800409Clairvoyance EX doom fetishism >>4800413Based, we can ask Alcides for the puppy and power it back up
>>4800414She wouldn't though. How can a guy be so wrong about everything?
>>4800409Incubus feed on/experience Ideation of humans+Merlin wants to see the cool history. He is still a mixed blood Dream Demon.
>>4800418quest is over, Wendys won't let him out of the wagecage as of Wednesday. please understand
>>4800413We can host Azathoth. He is sleeping anyway and it is not like Betty got all of his powers.
>>4800406>spoilerWhatever for? Just some hashing out of details.
>>4800420What are you on about? Nevermind. Talking with you abput Sakura is asking for a migraine.
>>4800413Hades isn't even a Death God.He's the God of the Underworld.Thanatos is the Death God.
>>4800413Also we don't need his conscience per say, can just grab his NANOMACHINES>>4800426Reviving collected souls, easier to just obliterate certain things and collect the exp orbs they drop than actually subdue them. AoE a whole group at a time, succ up the souls and fix them up later.
>>4800423Overtime at Wendys???? barely anyone goes there anymore.
>>4800414Instead she just murdered her sister and mindbroke her childhood crush to the point he kills everyone he loves.
>>4800431I don't work at Wendysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
>>4800427Sakura wouldn't destroy the world if Rin hadn't killed her. Killing her wasn't the only way. We know that. That's what "I'm on about", anon. Do you even know how Heaven's Feel really ends?
>>4800431They fired the rest of the staff, he is the skeleton crew
And with Azathoth we will be able to comprehend Concept of Rest. Sakura will be super happy!
>>4800437If WhatIs is a burger he must have a tough time keeping up with customers and writing the quest, apparently Wendys is having a tough time hiring because of free money gibs.
>>4800437ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo>>4800435Tell me where you work bro. Ill work in your place.
>>4800435How much do you make as a chef at Wendy's?
>>4800438Maybe being an outer god psuedo servant might be best. Wouldn't Shinji be even more scary than he already is?
>>4800430More about the why the excuse part, but okay. Can't we just rig up a Gate of Skye+Morgan thing to collect souls and put them in bodies ayway?
>>4800436You missunderstand.Sakura was going to destroy the world. She didn't because Shirou happened to have the ability to trace Rule Breaker. But Rin didn't know that. With the information she had at the time, killing Sakura was not the retarded thing to do at all.>>4800432You're not actually blaming Shirou's autism on Rin of all people are you?
>>4800435Yeah, we know you are secretly the Walmart anon. Too powerful.
>>4800438>Sleep through war>everything goes to shit>Manaka Ascends>Wake up, it was just a bad dream, everything is as it wasIt was all written over by Truth'd Dreamer's Authority>>4800444Yes, gate of succ. Should probably concept the place first so it's not a dreary celtoid shithole though.Committing to a freshly summoned character hours after confessing to a few unstable women will make them sneed hard I imagine.
>>4800390I don't trust anons though.
>>4800445No, YOU misunderstand anon. The Rin who chose NOT to kill her sister had the exact same information at the time. One decision was wrong. One decision was right. And you keep defending the wrong decision for some reason.
>>4800448>Committing to a freshly summoned characterWe speedrun things in this war. Emotionally. How fast was it from getting knocked out by Mordred and getting to Misaki to Arc and Mordred? Or being kidnapped by Tamamo. Or Shuten.
>>4800453A fully optimized run of Paradox Incarnated would probably involve avoiding Misaki town all together. Maybe even befriending both Aoko and Touko early on so that Aoko can nuke ji-san.
>>4800451Because one Rin didn't kill her she went out and killed numerous people, and almost destroyed the world. In multiple timelines, she actually did.Yeah. I think Mind of Steel is slightly better than those timelines.
>>4800451Yeah, but thats with hindsight isn't it? A 1/100 (or worse) gamble working out doesn't mean it wasnt a gamble or that it was the "right choice" because information disparity, even if the outcome is the best? Like if you let someone who seems totally like a serial killer go because they say they didnt do it and for some reason they turn out to have been right, even if they got caught "red-handed" in some contrivance, thats still not the right decision 999/1000 times, sometimes its just luck unless you have future knowledge or whatever.Am I seeing something different?
>>4800463Yeah Sakura vored an entire section of Fuyuki that was full of hundreds if not thousands of people. That is not very heroine like and makes Sakura a mass murderer that some would argue need to be put down.
>>4800432Are you writing or can I go to bed
>>4800472I'm writing.I'm just saying if Rin really cared about Sakura in those timelines she would've used Ruby to save her.
>>4800473More SoL when?
>>4800463Hello Kiritsugu. Mind of Steel Shirou really is your heir, isn't he?>>4800464Your mistake is thinking "rationally" and trying to weight the numbers without taking anything else into consideration. One Rin did that and got minbroken before she got killed by Shirou. Another Rin chose to trust her sister and they all ended up happy. The correct decision is obvious, and even without hindsight weighing people's lives and killing the one who's on the lighter side of the scales is not nearly as clear-cut decision a decision as you make it seem. Because, again, that's exactly Kerry's philosophy, and it's fucked over anyone who ever followed it.
>>4800473>she would've used Ruby to save herMake it Carnival story.
>>4800473Rin... kind of forgot about using Ruby.
>>4800473But the Ruby wasn't in the original vn, was it?>>4800475>Another Rin chose to trust her sister and they all ended up happy.But that's fucking wrong. There are multiple timelines in which she chose not to, and got femme fatale as her reward.Dude, call me Kiritsugu all you want, with what she knew at the time, killing Sakura was the logical course of action. I completely understand why she wouldn't do it, I don't think I could ever kill my sister either, but its not a retarded decision in the slightest.
>>4800475>Your mistake is thinking "rationally"Nah, you're still adding post facto justification where you can see that its the correct decision. If it did not turn out like that one in a something chance, Sakura would still die after the entire world died, or she wouldnt and she'd just continue suffering until shits culled or CG''dAlso, if you do away with rationality why argue at all from a consequence based point?>>4800473 Where the fuck is the Unlimited Codes Servant punching jewel mystic code.
>>4800483The problem isn't just muh Kerry retard, but that if the World ends kinda everyone dies you know? So its 1) Sakura dies everyone else lives.2) Everyone dies, stilll including Sakura.As far as her information capacity can tell.
>>4800482>But the Ruby wasn't in the original vn, was it?It wasn't, but HA has it so Rin has ALWAYS had Ruby just locked away in Zelretch's trunk.She used it once in her childhood and never again.
>>4800482>Femme Fatale EndNot only that but if Shirou passed out after beating SAlter, Rin would have bled out and died after failing to kill and Sakura would go insane and unleashed Angra onto the world. Saving Sakura was like trying to land three backflips at the same time the three more front flips as an amateur. Killing off Sakura is the most realistic option, its just that the wrong people were around to do it. >>4800485This is the best take honestly.
>>4800475I have a personal question for you because I got genuine curious.Given how you are emotionally invested into Sakura, do you self-insert as Shirou for romance in FSN story or do you go for some other approach to it?
>>4800486Then its a plot hole.I always ignore information added after the fact, because that's how plot holes happen.Doesn't everyone hate Zero because it makes Saber's motivations make no sense compared to Stay/Night?
Should've just used the Mystic Code, Rin.Should've just used Ruby, Rin.
>>4800492Forcing Superhero Rin to use Ruby.
>>4800490>Doesn't everyone hate Zero because it makes Saber's motivations make no sense compared to Stay/Night?Zero was written by the Urobutcher.Hollow Ataraxia was written as a direct sequel to F/SN by Nasu.
>>4800492Meguca stick is cute
>>4800482>the logical course of actionThat's my whole point anon. An action can be both "logical" and retarded. Those attempted to use logic like you do typically disregard things they consider irrelevant like emotions and the bonds that people share. But those things are not irrelevant at all. Those are EXACTLY what allowed Sakura to turn back from the brink. The "logical" choice gets you fucked over because people are not unfeeling robots devoid of emotion, and you're missing crucial pieces of the puzzle if you act like they are.>>4800483At that very moment, with no certain knowledge of what is to come, you are faced with a choice: Deaden your heart and kill your beloved sister. Or trust your sister and Hope. For me, the decision is obvious. The decision would still be obvious even if it ended up being wrong. Hindsight only makes it even more obvious.>>4800485I'm harping on about Kerry because that's exactly his philosophy: Deaden your heart, ignore context, weight the scales and kill the fewer amount of people. We know where that got him. How is what you're arguing any different?>>4800487Yes, killing Sakura is the easier option. This does not make it right. Not remotely.>>4800488I don't self-insert, no. But I feel for these characters. Sakura especially.
>>4800494Wait. Can Eresh do it too?
>>4800490Zero is technically a different timeline than fsn, since some info from fsn doesn't match.Like how iirc, in fsn its said Iri stayed at the Castle all the time, and Saber not recognizing Gil by his NP even tho she sees it in Zero, the final fight of Saber with the Grail already broken and amidst flames not happening in Zero, etc.
>>4800494>>4800498Fuck. Kaleidosword Eresh NOW.>>4800497Ok, I see.
>>4800497If you say gambling the world on a nothing chance thats not even imaginable, then I can only say you're not correct, but you're not even right. Let's tell all the RIP'd Worlds where the 1/10000 chance didnt work out that oops, they were just unlucky because someone hoped. Now that, is monstrous.
>>4800497You just ignore everything you don't agree with don't you? I literally said I understood why she would choose to not kill her. It's still not the smart decision. It still got her and the entire planet destroyed in multiple timelines. My fucking emotions would not let me damn an entire fucking planet of people with their own loved ones to death on an 1/10000 chance.Why am I even bothering with this. Your name is fucking Sakurautist.
>>4800411don't tempt us
>>4800503>Now that, is monstrous.If the world gets purged it never happened anyway. Also why are you defending the ending where the only thing Illya has to say to you is "..........Idiot"?It's pretty obvious that you're not doing the right thing at all, and realistically speaking, Gilgamesh just kills everyone in the Superhero ending anyway.
Killing Sakura isn't a smart decision because with no Sakura, there's no way Gilgamesh gets defeated in that timeline, and with Gilgamesh around, the world gets dunked in grail mud.
>>4800512But World will be stronger afterwards. Making Gil correct.
>>4800512But the argument isn't whether its factually correct, but whether with the amount of information they have, is it correct. Also let me get the HF info thing where Nasu says Mind of Steel Shirou solos the Grail War in a moment
>>4800512Dosen't Rin still have EMIYA who is literally made to kill Gil. There's also Shirou if he takes Rin's crest. Just recreate UBW end then.
>>4800513Yes but hundreds of millions if not billions would die.The result is the same, if not worse.
>>4800503I don't see it as gambling. I don't even try to calculate the odds. If choosing to trust the people I love makes me monstrous, then so be it. But you have yet to acknowledge that the decision you're defending ended up destroying Shirou, Rin and everyone they care about in favor of the faceless, nameless masses with the greater number. Or that making the decision you find dumb is one of the requirements for a happy ending.>>4800507I am trying to have a discussion anon, and responding to your points. Just because I disagree it doesn't mean I'm ignoring you. You think "smart" = "numbers" = "ignoring emotions", and that's where the crux of our arguments lie. Maybe you should stop responding if you can't actually discuss things without REEEEing about my namefagging.
>>4800515>Dosen't Rin still have EMIYA who is literally made to kill Gil. There's also Shirou if he takes Rin's crest. Just recreate UBW end then.EMIYA will never beat Gil because Gil will take EMIYA slightly more seriously than he took Shirou.And Shirou isn't going to get the opportunity to learn how to use UBW.>>4800514>Also let me get the HF info thing where Nasu says Mind of Steel Shirou solos the Grail War in a moment That's just bullshit and wouldn't happen like that at all though.
>>4800516Consider this: Gil prevents Chaldea.
>>4800497Almost all my writeins are logical and retarded and look where they got us so far
>>4800510>>4800512It's canon that Shirou kills him. Doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, it's not like Gil isn't king jobber.
>Kill Sakura >Billions of people die when Gilgamesh gets the grail if they can't stop him.>Don't kill Sakura>Billions of people die when Sakura loses herself if they can't save her.This is an easy choice.
>>4800498Anal plug tail solves the mana cost issue to rebuild Kur.Based Ruby
>>4800519HF2 Booklet says:"Nasu: Based on his weak position he would need to disregard his own safety and completely engage in 1 person 1 kill* battle tactics."In this situation the odds would be 1(Shirou):9(the enemy). Losing would mean instant death." In that fashion he would survive to the end.Takeuchi: So then he'd win the Holy Grail War.Nasu: If he trades all his time, happiness, and humanity to become a tool that exists to win then he'll somehow make it. However this tool is something that can only be used once. It can't be replenished to be used a second time."
>>4800522>and retardedThat's important. And your write-ins always take into account how people feel. It's not remotely the same.
>>4800512Based?Fuck normies kill em all neo-humanity where only the strong survive will prosper for eternity
>>4800524Some dudes survive in Gil's Magical Deathworld > Zero dudes survive in Angra Sakura actively murderizing even those who could survive the curses ??? Wheres the equivalence?
>>4800522I still enjoyed becoming meguca because of you and then having like 5 anons seethe and I think quit the quest. Remember that one no fun anon that kept bitching about how "unrealistic or stupid" it was even though meguca Shinji was glorious.
>>4800518You started this discussion by saying I was wrong about everything. There is nothing left to discuss here. I don't think saving Sakura is worth the risk of murdering everyone on the planet. You think it is. That's it.
>>4800527That's bullshit.If Superhero was an actual route it would just contain even more dead ends than the rest of the game put together.It's silly to think there wouldn't be timelines he failed in.Meaning that it was still a bad end.
>>4800524QM, Nasu said Shirou wins.You can't just ignore stuff you don't like. Plenty of people argue that Shirou killing him in UBW is retarded too.Just accept its stupid and move on.
>>4800530Actually, 30 percent of the planet survive Sakura's attempt to kill everyone because that's when the Grands get summoned.Now considering that there were no actual survivors that would've survived on their own from the grail fire and about 300 people got caught, that tells us that the survival rate for curse mud by itself is somewhere lower than 1 in 300 people.Meaning less than 30 percent of the planet would be spared in Gilgamesh's world.
>>4800531bless, anon. nofunners need to fuck off and cope.Imagine thinking an infinite mana source can be kept gated by simple embarrassment in a text only story. You don't even have the retarded outfit in your face constantly like in vidya or something.WhatIs realised this when the dice agreed with this sentiment and so Amethyst is now in gbj with the other banned plot devices
>>4800531Maho Shoujo Shinji dressup with sisterwife and casterwife when?
>>4800532Anon just let it go, I think you realized why he doesn't agree with you a few posts ago. It doesn't help that QM tends to stand on Sakurautist's side more often than not, but that's none of my business.
>>4800534He wins in a few timelines, sure, but that doesn't mean he wins 100 percent of the time.That's how timelines work.And Nasu is full of shit.
>>4800539I'm not standing on his side, I just think that Superhero is a stupid ending and defending it with the Kerry approach is the opposite of what the story wants you to do.
>>4800529>Would you have Mankind grow old and withered, running to fat on the fruits of remembered glory whilst its enemies tear at its frail extremities? I think not. With each trial, we become stronger. My brethren and I provide.>>4800531Same. It was fun.
>>4800540Yeah but that means that all timelines where doesn't win and humanity falls to a state wherein they get culled due to Gil or Angra, bringing the actual, true chance of victory to be much higher than simple statistic would indicate.If >>4800510These get purged, so will unsuccessful Superhero worlds until victory becomes statistically inevitable?
>>4800541Hell, even Zero itself was basically trying to do its very hardest to get you to understand that Kiritsugu was wrong and that taking the choices he made just ends up with you dying a miserable unfulfilled life.
>>4800532Takes two to tango anon. But you're right, there's no point in continuing this. Our respective positions are clear.>>4800539I realize I am and have been abrasive, to say the least, but why are you dragging the WhatIs into this? Why is he relevant?
>>4800543Unsuccessful Superhero worlds don't get purged, but a whole lot of people die because of Gil's plan.
>>4800543Anywayhttps://files.catbox.moe/oxn5sv.pdfhere's transcripts that I could find of all the HF2 booklet Q&As including some stuff like why Zouken didn't become a DA and what if Rin was sent to the Matou instead.
>>4800538Sounds like perfect punishment for working during day of rest.
>>4800545I feel like there is a difference between Kiritsugu style bombing civilian hotels and feeling like you've "gone soft" due to evacuating people beforehand and edge stuff, and maybe not wanting to gamble the dreams, lives and hopes of all the humans of the World on a maybe that doesn't even realistically exist theoretically with the information you're given.But that may just be me.
>>4800546That's fine. Sorry if I've been overly agressive.I do like Sakura, this is simply a complicated situation to discuss.
>>4800548HF1 movie booklet Q&A alsohttps://files.catbox.moe/0e14sf.pdf
>>4800551From what I gather people who would prefer death by Sakura are usually bias towards her or just don't like Mind of Steel Shirou. I don't like Mind of Steel either but that doesn't mean that I don't think that killing Sakura wasn't right, its a false dichotomy. Its just that the wrong people are doing it. If Sakura was a literally who npc with the same back story but we didn't know who she was, more anons would be okay with putting her down they just won't admit it.
>>4800551>maybe not wanting to gamble the dreams, lives and hopes of all the humans of the World on a maybe that doesn't even realistically exist theoretically with the information you're given.Are you talking about sparing Sakura, or going after the grail to make a wish here?There's simply no 'good' end just becase Shirou threw away his humanity and becomes a Superhero. It doesn't guarantee the world will be saved because there is still a chance for him to fail, it just guarantees that he will be miserable no matter what the result.
And honestly this is probably the most pointless discussion we had from first thread.Concept of Multiverse renders those guesses fully irrelevant because somewhere outwhere is a timeline where Sakura was adopted by Taiga and now fearsome yakuza.Because Multiverse in any form or way with all those trees and branches mean that even the most retarded and impossible things happened somewhere. You got your good ending because you got your good ending, this is it.Really puts you in mindset of Zelretch.
Somone post coom pics this thread has too much drama in it and i want to coom.
>>4800548>>4800555Thanks a lot anon, I wanted those. Do you maybe have HF3 too? Or is it too soon?>>4800551Even Kiritsugu emptied Kayneth's hotel before bombing it. And he shot down Natalia's plane to prevent a zombie infestation. I see the decision to kill Sakura as the exact same thing as bringing down that plane instead of trying to figure out another, more difficult, option that would leave Natalia alive.>>4800553It's all fine sakurafren. I'm sorry for being abrasive as well.>>4800559>If Sakura was a literally who npc with the same back story but we didn't know who she wasThat's very true anon. It's also the reason we disagree. You can't treat the people you love as if they were literally who npcs with an unknown backstory. Even logically speaking, this is information you have access to. You shouldn't ignore it.
>>4800564Coomru am byth
>>4800560Can’t make everyone happy all the time. Maybe it’s fine if the unhappy one would have to be self.
Update? I need to RRRREEEAAAADDDDD
>>4800560I think having a chance for the World to be saved is enough to make at least an "End" instead of Dead/Bad End. It wouldnt become a Good End in any way because of the choice is made with an info deficit, but I could see it even being in some permutation an End variant, not like Sparks Liner High gets a happier personal end, and....?
>>4800568>She used RubyGood girl, Eresh.
>>4800565Sorry, couldnt find one for HF3 but I'll look around some more.
>>4800564Based coomerNigger, this is for you too>>4800578Many thanks anon!
>>4800576But Superhero is a BAD END.