The Grail War continues, and you're rushing to save the allies who have been twisted against you.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/AcNswEHqShinji Status Page: https://pastebin.com/a6fiNxrZMy Twitter: https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMLast Thread: >>4704663
"You're right. Lead the way, Dant-" You cough. "Enhance." Almost made a slip there, thankfully, it doesn't seem like Enhance noticed though, so you just carry on as if nothing had happened. While a lot of things are similar between what you can remember about your original world and this world, you know that for whatever reason Devil May Cry never came out in this world, meaning the reference would be lost on Enhance anyway. You aren't sure if the game was never released because it was never going to ever be released, or if your debut into the business world caused a ripple effect. Ah well, Makiri Industries can probably pick up the pace and properly delve into video game creation next. After all, you did already steal the concept of a digital video game storefront... Now really isn't the time to be thinking about making money."You sure you can keep up?" Enhance asks with a grin you can see beneath his hood, and you smile back at the cocky Dead Apostle. As far as the Ancestors go, Enhance isn't the most powerful. He's of course strong if you were to compare him to a basic Dead Apostle, but he doesn't have the magical abilities that the other Dead Apostle Ancestors have learned purely as a result of their advanced ages. He's still young. What Enhance does have however are two weapons, each on the level of a Noble Phantasm, that's where the bulk of his power comes from. Then again, both of those weapons destroy him every time he uses them, but it shouldn't be a problem for all that long considering the temporal reversion regeneration ability inherent to all Dead Apostles. It's hardly like he's Shirou strapping on Archer's arm and melting his brain.
"I don't think I'll have much difficulty keeping pace with Ciel at least, now lets go!" On a purely magical basis, you've got more potential than Ciel does, however, the big difference between the two of you is that Ciel as an immortal should have an infinite amount of stamina at her disposal, not to mention that despite all your physical training, the body of somebody who actually goes out and hunts Dead Apostles on perhaps a weekly basis is going to of course be in a better shape than yours. This however, doesn't mean that you're incapable of keeping up with the girl though, as both of you have around similar levels as to what you can push your bodies to with your reinforcement under normal circumstances. You briefly wonder what would happen if Ciel was taught Shirou's immensely dangerous method of turning nerves into circuits. They would only be low quality circuits of course, but through her immortality, it might even be possible for Ciel to survive and remain conscious through the conversion of thousands of the bodies nerves into magic circuits all at once, After all, the human body has billions if not trillions of nerve cells. It might be something worth looking into and perhaps teaching Ciel and SHIKI at a later date. Though such a technique could potentially give either of them a magical energy output greater even than something like Excalibur. A scary thought that something like that might be possible, but then again, immortality on their level is an excellent way to break any sort of magical system. You might be able to regenerate from most any wound, but as far as you can tell, you can still die, so you're loathe to attempt that sort of magecraft.The three of you run as quickly as you can, and you can see Karna in physical form leaping from rooftop to rooftop. "Ciel, if I might ask... why is Archer up there anyway? Also, this might be a good time to tell me what he can do so I can plan around his capabilities." Ciel laughs a little as you run along side her. "Oh, it was just some grumbling Dead Apostle I work with sometimes who didn't want the sun demi-god to singe his precious skin by being too close." There's a smirk on her face, and Enhance growls in annoyance."Hey, are you really blaming me for that?! The guy is the natural enemy of Dead Apostles!" Enhance tries to defend himself from Ciel, and you can understand his point. If you were a being that was hurt by the sun, why on Earth would you want to be around a human incarnation of it in the form of Karna? "You're just going to have to get used to it, Karna isn't going to be much help from the outside." Ciel points ahead to the entrance to Verde, which is still a good distance away even with your speed. You doubt that Karna, even if his skill is particularly great as an Archer, would really be of as much assistance outside. "As for what he can do, Shinji, I'll give you a brief explanation as we move..."[Status Updated!]
"Unfortunately, he's requested I don't reveal his final Noble Phantasm in a public space like this, just in case an enemy were to overhear. It's his ultimate Noble Phantasm and his greatest trump card, apparently." Vasavi Shakti, maybe? No, that wouldn't make any sense, that's a lance and he's an Archer now. Then again, Brahmastra has apparently manifested as a bow this time, so could the same maybe be true for Vasavi Shakti? Karna finally leaps down to meet you at the entrance to Verde, and Enhance visibly takes a step back. "My apologies, I understand that my presence causes you a great deal of discomfort, however, the wishes of my Master must always come first." Karna apologies to Enhance, it seems that the Heroic Spirit doesn't have nearly as much dislike for the Dead Apostle. Perhaps it's as a result of Enhance still remaining in some part human despite having become a Dead Apostle? Karna himself looks about as you'd expect him to. Black and gold armor with a red cloak. In his hand is a golden bow of ornate design, clearly a weapon of the Gods, you can tell that from just a glance. Still, it's ridiculous! An Archer who actually uses a bow? What sort of nonsense is this? You guess that the Archer class really is made up of Archers!The four of you don't delay at all as you enter Verde, and as you enter, you are hit with the overpowering smell of alcohol. It's like a dense fog, but you press through it. "Definitely Shuten." You say calmly as you press onward, having taken the lead from Enhance now. You walk through the empty halls of Verde. The screams have all stopped now, and that really doesn't bode well for the people who were in this place. You highly doubt that Shuten was actually going to let a single one of them escape. "Is that you, Master?" You hear Shuten's voice echoing through the halls of the silent shopping center, she's clearly a distance away, yet her voice carries despite that. "I thought I could smell you from the outside. Have you finally decided that I'm worth your time now?" There's definitely a grudge in her voice, and Ciel glares at you with annoyance. You... might've forgotten to reveal that important little factoid. "She was taken from me, OK? I'm not her master right now." You quickly explain to your allies the situation. Hopefully they won't make anything of it. It's not like you have any control over the girl at all right now, and you suppose you can always blame what she's doing on Manaka. Even if there's a part of the little devil that obviously enjoys being given free reign to cause carnage like this.
"Master... Why don't we have another of our private conversations? I can tell that you're not alone, but... wouldn't you like to just talk with me again? Fighting sounds like it would be such a hassle, doesn't it?" Shuten's voice is seductive and convincing... Should you go and see her alone? There's no doubt that things are going to end up as a fight if you bring Ciel, Karna and Enhance to confront her, and... you might be able to convince her again. It worked the first time, didn't it? >"Very well, Shuten, we'll talk once again." Have your allies stay behind.>"Alright Shuten, if that's what you want." Gesture to your allies that you want them to follow and remain concealed.>"Sorry Shuten, but... I can't trust you right now." Keep moving forwards.>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.>Don't respond to her, simply press on with your allies.>Write-in...
>>4711860Christ it's 5am, you never sleep.
>>4711872Sleep is just the sign of the body's weakness.
>>4711867>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.
>>4711863Hey WhatIs, just confirming as it's not listed in his status. In myth Karna is cursed to be unable to invoke Brahmastra against opponents stronger than him. Fate has it split into multiple techniques, such as Kundala, O' Brahma, Cover the Earth etc. but it's still the same Astra that he's using. Does the Kundala variant he has listed have this limitation or not?
>>4711867>>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.She broke her agreement with Shinji not eat NPCs, naughty Shuten.
>>4711889It does still have that limitation, however, it can simply be aimed at the area that a target is standing on rather than at a target more powerful than he is themselves. It's a bow with arrows that explode, he can miss if he wants to.
>>4711895He's a bit upright for that but the archer class does usually make people a bit more pragmatic and ruthless because of IA letting them get away with more I guess. Although, from the myths...>He curses Karna that he will get engaged in a fight with someone equal to him in strength and skills when his death comes. During this time, brahmastra will not manifest itself before him. It actually gets sealed.
Chain her up with chains of truth and make her drink truth enchanted brine until she sober up and turns into good girlHeadpat her afterwards
>>4711896It's fine if you cheat when the fate of the world is at stake.He's an Archer. They are the cheatiest class aside from a well used Caster, or an Alter-Ego... Or a MoonCancer. Or a Foreigner or a Ruler, or a decent Avenger...>>4711897That curse should realistically only apply to Arjuna or maybe Rama though. Because it's not somebody stronger than him, only somebody equal in strength and skill.Regardless, he's had Ciel as his Master for a week, so some of her pragmatism is also rubbing off on him.
>Can see through traps>Can see through Presence Concealment>Takes reduced damage from everything, and even more reduced from Cu>Can fire actual nukes and it's not even his Noble PhantasmDamn, you guys weren't wrong about Karna.
>>4711900Unrestricting it is why I see you said he's not straight inferior to lancer. Even as a lorefag I can appreciate it being a sealing curse specific to conflicts with Arjuna.I wonder if you gave him another Astra or went with something odd and conceptually based for the mystery box NP
>>4711901Karna is absolutely fucking based, I love the guy. He's also unintentionally autistically goofy because of his ultra seriousness/politeness. >>4711899Shuten needs to be held down and dabbed on, she'd appreciate it too.
>>4711904Yeah, I like him already.
>>4711863>Ciel as an immortal should have an infinite amount of stamina at her disposal>infinite stamina>infinite stamina>infinite stamina>infinite stamina>infinite staminaI take it this applies to "mana transfers" too? :^)
>>4711867>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.Come on you cheeky slut.Try and lie.See if it gets by my boy Karna here.>>4711899Shuten would absolutely be into it.>>4711901Karna is mega-based.He's got a top tier Master this time too, so we're really in a good position here.>>4711902If it's supposed to stack up to Vasavi what the fuck could it be?
>>4711860>Makiri Industries can probably pick up the pace and properly delve into video game creation next. Can Shinji make Tsukihime (remake)?
>>4711910Only if it's through the backdoor. Her rules.>>4711867>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.>>4711904>>4711908Everybody loves Karna.
>>4711914Most likely going to be: GoB lite:>Bhargavastra> This was a very powerful weapon and this weapon when launched creates a shower of arrows, maces, spears and many other such weapons. This shower of weapons continues till the warrior who has launched it does not retract the weapon back. This weapon was used by Karna on the 17th day of the Kurukshetra War. This weapon destroyed one Akshauni army of the Pandavas. Only Karna possessed this weapon.but also potentially some delete on impact item that tops even VS in removal:>Vijaya Dhanush - the personal bow of Shiva the god of destruction.
>>4711918>Everybody loves Karna.Friendship ended with Alcides. Now Karna is my best friend.
>>4711899Pull a canon Shiki and just dick her right then and there. Finish inside, passionate french kiss, die because drained too rapidly to survive. Dab on canon Shinji on Taiga dojo
>>4711922We should save this move for Tesla
>>4711927My favourite Fate/ chapter was when Nikola Tesla finally loses his virginity in 2004 to a Japanese teenager while inhabiting the body of a mid 30 woman.
>>4711928Is it really that much stranger than King Arthur, the legendary King of Knights (female) and another Japanese teenager?
>>4711927There's a certain irony in Tesla going the way of Da Vinci-chan.I can only imagine her smugness at another great genius following in her footsteps.>>4711928>Mid 30sDidn't getting possessed put her back in her physical prime?Our Cake is young again.
>>4711929Both happening in a span of 2? days just adds to the experience.>>4711930That's right, the miracle of Tesla's virgin influence
>>4711933Is it gay to have sex with your elder sister figure while she's sharing a headspace with an autistic Croatian?
>>4711939there's no balls to touch, it's fine
>>4711921Four Horsemen of Death (+ Alcides and Karna) fighting gods, demons and aberrations through space-time Spin-off when WhatIs?
>>4711941What if we forget to say "No homo"?>>4711919It should be EX so I doubt it's discount GoB.Maybe it's him wielding Authority?Maybe it's Super Karna.Karna is a total bro.Shame him existing by default btfos vampires.That was probably why Ciel was here in the first place. Summon an Anti-Vampire Servant. And Curry-senpai of course summoned the Indian.I wonder what Van Hellsing would be like as a Servant.
>>4711944How did I manage to fuck up my reply this badly?
>>4711944>That was probably why Ciel was here in the first place. Summon an Anti-Vampire Servant.Ciel was sent here to oversee the overseer after Kerry bombed the church. The vampire-melting Servant was just a nice bonus.
>>4711944It's only lite due to the limited range of its contents. It's weapons only and only has the full auto setting until Karna actually stops it from brrrrting so its less tactical and more GUN.SSJ Karna with Shiva's bow is some dbspic meme powerlevel chart option.>>4711946Get well soon
>>4711947Still.Imagine Ciel cucking the Church this hard. They lose a Burial Agent, a vampire cucking hero and fucking Longinus. It's hilarious. >>4711948Gil has full auto too.
>>4711951Yeah, her (and us) really shot up in the public enemy #1 position in the past 24 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if we're fighting the collective Burial Agency before the week's out.
>>4711951Gil can *choose* to go full auto, Bhargavastra was described in myth as just a rain of weapons with nothing in between. Can't use it to pull out shields, potions, booze etc. like Gil so its less overall useful when you don't want to stab something a lot. It also has to be specifically called off by it's user, and all Astras in dragonball poo usually have a special ON and OFF switch, with people often not being given the OFF switch so they're unable to risk invoking some world ending bullshit with no way to stop it. Karna can turn it off, fortunately, but there's not much else he can do with it but area denial and destruction
>>4711959He really should just hammer down Wormpa and his new castle
>>4711961That is a valid opener, yes. We'll just have to promise Illya we'll build her a new one.
Speaking of grandpa, we should probably periodically check what he's up to as we run around the city putting out fires. The last thing we need is him blindsiding us mid-fight.
>>4711969Morgan or Tamamo should be able to construct some form of live map that tracks the mana signatures of things via leylines. Even just a heat map of mana concentration would be fine, directly scrying Orochi might be just painting a target, but seeing where the giant red glow goes on the chessboard would prove effective enough.
>>4711971Excellent idea, we should propose it right after we deal with Shuten.
People and things we should definitely avoid Orochi eating:>Arc>Lugh>Morgan>Gray's spear>Cu>Gorgon>Shuten>Karna>Tamamo>Medea>Iskandar Alter>Gil>SakuraWhat if Merlin is busy with keeping Orochi and his minions confined to the forests with his illusions?>>4711963We'll build her a city sized castle.
>>4711974What if every servant summoned by Orochi was just Merlin's illusions and he was just monologuing to himself in an empty castle?
>>4711974Also Gorgon has no Divinity anymore, so he wouldn't gain anything from eating her, only kill off Medusa.
>>4711974>We'll build her a city sized castle.I'd prefer giving her Austria as a gift, desu. A city sized castle is impractical.
>>4711978That would be hilarious. Still I think Merlin may have helped Billy and Lancer escape.>>4711979I think Gorgon might still have Medusa still in there sometimes.Why else would she have gone to a prison while acting mopey and sad?>>4711980Why not just give her Greater Germany?
>>4711992Man Billy was so based.Only a true Chad goes for a lethal attack when the villain is monologuing.
>>4711992Her Divinity decays as she gets closer to Gorgon, its probably a benefit here. Might have a snake kaiju-off for an update or two.Acquire lebensraum for the pale haired loli
>>4711992Lolidusa has an A rank Divine Core for reference, as Rider she's E- as she's so monstrously huge by Japanese height standards.
>>4711996I'm now not sure we want to recruit him. He would object to any "talk no jutsu the enemy, alone" we try to do in the future.>>4711992>>4711999Time for the 4th Reich to rise under a new Einzbern dynasty.
>>4711999>kaiju-offYeah, Beast II vs False Beast
>>4712003Singularity - F soon
>>4712003Let's not turn our sister into a kaiju, please.
>>4711996>>4712002I'm worried about third Lancer and third Archer. Contracting with them is better than sending them to the grail or vored by Orochi. If one of them is too much of a hassle we could just give them to a friend. There are plenty of mages in our party now (Aoko especially) who could handle sustaining a servant or two after the war.
>>4712008Yeah, I was joking. We obviously want to recruit them, and yeah, no need to get more Servants for ourselves.
>>4712008I'd rather Lancer not be forced to eat people. Billy's IA means he's fine for a week. Odds are they'll stick together and turn up at one of these spot fires around the city considering we don't know of them in character yet so we can't feasibly write in a plan about them. They might also pop up accidentally as faint but much stronger the NPC human blips on the magic radar if that ever gets up and running.
>>4712005But Kingprotea is a super cutie.
>>4712002Illya was the true Loli Hitler this whole time.Will Waver be able to talk-no-jutsu his Bara BF?
>>4712021Not as cute as our sisterwife.>>4712026Probably not, but I imagine Alex would be open to an alliance and I see nothing wrong with giving him the Balkans and Middle East.
>>4712027Big booba and Big ass, with a fertility goddess inside of her. She is literally the "what are you doing step-bro" meme in an anime character.
>>4712027Why don't we let him conquer the chinks too.I'm sure Wukong wouldn't give a shit.>>4712028Her booba and ass will only grow larger because of Tiamat now. Bigger than Gorgon tier soon.
>>4712030Our new best pal Karna would object to him going through India, but sure why not. It'll be a bargain if he can stabilize Afghanistan too in the process.
>>4712033India is part of Mordred's Neo-British Empire anyway.Karna can suck it up and we'll let him be governor of India.
>>4712033>>4712027Ok, ok, so here's Age of Gods 2.0 land partition:Mordred: Britain; Karna: India; Alexander: Balkans + Middle East; Ilya: Austria; Is that it?
>>4712036Mordred lived before the Empire. She has no attachment to India. She'd probably want the English-speaking parts of the Commenwealth though.>>4712038We have decided Illya deserves the lebensraum of Greater Germany, but otherwise yes, that's the first draft.
>>4712039Understood. Shit, that's actually something i'd like to see, New Age of Gods shenanigans. Btw, just caught up to the whole Tsukihime Remake bullshit and... Jesus Christ Nasu. Jesus fucking Christ.
>>4712041Nasu has George RR Martin syndrome or something even worse than that. Its inexcusable too because he could just copy and paste everything from the original with just updated graphics. I'm pretty sure the only new content anybody really wanted was a Satsuki route. Nasu made his money and he became a hack like every other writer who gets successful off his work. FGO was a mistake.
>>4712043gets success off their work* Sorry, as you can see I'm quite pissed. I didn't think Nasu would ever become like GRRM but he did.
>>4712043The trick to not being angry is to abandon hope the moment a mobile game is announced.
>>4712043This bullshit is way worse than Martin. Two bloated routes and fuck everything else? Really? Over a decade for this? Fuck man. And the worst part is I like FGO stories, but if that's the price to pay, not worth it man. Let's quietly replace Nasu with WhatIs, fuck it.
>>4712053>way worse than MartinLet's not get ahead of ourselves here, nothing's worse than Martin.
>>4712054Yeah, instead of finishing at least one of his last two books in his MAIN STORY which lets be honest he willl never finish because he is an old fat lazy fuck near his deathbed. He is working on a video game and spin off books. He's patethetic and the reason why the Show was narratively raped during season 7 and 8.
>>4712038Mordred: UK, Australia, Canada, USA, New Zealand, Hong Kong.Illya: Greater GermanyKarna: IndiaAlexander: Balkans+Middle East plus whatever bits of Asia he wants.Who should get Japan though?Us?>>4712041Stop it you're going to set WhatIs off again.
>>4712054>>4712061Hell, i don't think even he would go "Hey, i know you've waited a fucking decade for the books" and then give us only a 500-pages Cersei POV and an 400 Asha one. And here's an irrelevant non-canon what if prequel, because why not? Nasu really went overboard with this one. Fuck man.>>4712063Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Anyway, I'd rather give Mordred France. Because fuck the french. And well, there's Brittany, and from there she could expand the empire into a new Gallic Empire.
>>4712063>Who should get Japan though?Tamamo?
>>4712067At the bare minimum Nasu finished his VN works that jump started his cash grabbing app. That is the bare minimum I would give him. GRRM got famous way to quickly off the show. Its like if Nasu was offered FGO with just the Saber and half of the Rin route completed.
>>4712067>A decade13 years, so it's closer to one and a half decades.Satsuki has waited two whole decades for her route.The worst part is the CONSOOMING going on by the smoothbrains.We're going to basically lead the Illuminati arena we?
>>4712067Nasu's fucking up the remakes, but the original stories are complete. Imagine if the original visual novels cut off all routes 2/3rd along the way, and there was only an abortion of a series mangling everything to get at a shitty ending that lets you imagine only what could have been.About France, I'd rather wait before partitioning it. With so many Servants around there's a chance we'll be seeing Jeanne.
>>4711867>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.Glad to see Karna.>>4712027Can you confirm if this is the sisterwife?>>4712063>Who should get Japan though?>Us?We take Eurasia because Makiri roots and Tamamo gets Protectorate Japan.
>>4712073consooming culture is the reason why vidyas are getting shittier and shittier these days. I've been noticing more half baked products in the industry lately and its depressing. Everyone assumes that a patch or something would "fix the problem" but why the fuck does it need a patch in the first place? It is their JOB to finish the game in a completed state period.
>>4712075What if we just make BB get color contacts and dye her hair white to diffentiate herself with our Sakura. BB has Dark Sakura's personality anyway.
>>4712075>"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you, or are you going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me?" Wait for her response.>>4712075I don't think Tamamo has much interest in being a ruler. she's a lot like Medea in that she wants to be a wife more than anything else.>>4712079Games got big and stopped having to appeal to discerning nerds.Now they cut corners even more than hollywood.
>>4712079And then there are those who'll defend their pet companies while their wallets are being raped. People actually defending shit like what Nintendo pulled with Pokémon Sword/Shield is fucked up.>>4712075Tsar Makiri when?
So place your bets on us getting eaten by Shuten in a bad end again.This time I fear she'll not make it nearly as fast as Goddess Shuten did and will probably be a lot more personal about it.
>>4712088Well, if talk no jutsu fails, i guess there's a chance Dante e Sunbro can bail us out this time.
>>4712088Don't underestimate Dante, he's been around the block. Karna is no pushover either. Ciel and Shinji themselves should stay in the backline and watch for an opening to RB.
>>4712093We don't actually have RB right now.
>>4712096Medea could teleport to us at anytime. Just have Dante/Karna hold Shuten down.
>>4711875QM is there a TYPE/MOON friendly version of Vergil in this world?
>>4712088Shuten might be a bit more friendly than we are expecting if WhatIs made that bond reinforcement count for something.Now Monica-Tesla might force us to do full cards reveal. Since she was pretty bothered by our knowledge right before Temple assault.>>4712083She had some fun playing ruler in EXTELLA. It just did not went well for her.
>>4712075>Can you confirm if this is the sisterwife?Oh, come on.>We take Eurasia I don't want to rule the world directly. We'll be too busy fucking the harem and vacationing. It's better to let others handle most of the affairs. Anything we want to see done will just be a phone call away anyway.>>4712096If Karna, Ciel and Dante can subdue her we can Truth her. The only reason we didn't go for that against Orochi is because touching him is a really bad idea.
>>4712093Ciel is literally completely immortal beyond normal immortality. No idea what would happen if Shuten melted and drunk her though.Probably not good things for her.
>>4712096I think we actually completed it we just opted to not finish chanting it inside betty since it might destroy her mind.
>>4712112I mean Rule Breaker.We don't have it unless we warp in Medea or one of the tracers.
>>4712112He meant Rulebreaker.I don't want to use the RM fully until the final boss Manaka.>>4712120>tracersDo you ever get that feeling of Deja vu?
>>4712121Speaking of Manaka why did she put "Love from" at the end of her message to us?I thought she hated us.
>>4712133It's obviously ironic anon.
>>4712135Is it?What if Manaka/L actually likes us?She was more friendly than Righty.
>>4712133It was clearly sarcastic.She taunts with courtesy while making you fight your brainwashed friends and allies.Or else you also have to believe that>'My Dearest Shinji,>Forever yours,>Altrouge Brunestud.'Was also a love confession.
>>4712139She probably doesn't hate us, but she certainly doesn't love us either.
>>4712140I've noticed something... aside from Orochi both of the main villans have been lolis with insane amounts of power. Hmm...
>>4712140Altrouge might not know how to deal with love.Pretty sure she's the super possessive Yandere type.Like Manaka, so it's a point towards her loving us imo.
>>4712144Do not even think about trying it.>>4712151>super possessive Yandere typeWe are Saber to Altrouge`s Gilgamesh.
>>4712155>We are Saber to Altrouge`s Gilgamesh.That's... probably accurate, yeah.
>>4712144It's Nasu's fault for loving evil lolis too much.Also Acht is a major villain too.
>>4712155Do you think that instead of killing Orochi and sending him to the grail we could turn him into this QT?>>4712157But who's our Shirou?
>>4712151>Altrouge might not know how to deal with love.Her response to someone trying to save her was "I own you now.">But who's our Shirou?Mordred
>>4712165Ourselves, we are like a hybrid between Shirou and Saber. We have the harem after all.
>>4712165>But who's our Shirou?Everyone in our harem together.
>>4712167>Her response to someone trying to save her was "I own you now."She's an incredibly proud centuries old vampire princess with the most powerful weapon on Earth as her pet.She probably thinks turning us would've been the greatest thing she could have done to us, and we just wouldn't understand until after she turned us.She got angry when we ran away from her and she tried to kill our "girlfriend" who we obviously didn't care about very much as we only met her once a year.She just needs careful headpats.
>>4712180Oh god, let's not befriend the ancient superevil vampire too.
>>4712165Perhaps? If instead of the Death+Tartarus plan we go with Sasaki's sword pulling plan theoretically causality could cause Ibuki to emerge from the Orochi after he is "slain". Since divinities and heroic spirits are bounded by their myths.A certain route to give Shuten identity crisis too.
>>4712183We're being somewhat affable to BB and we're pals with Nyarla.Both are more evil than yandere vamoire princess is. Way more evil.BB's BBad end in CCC is "I have no mouth and I must scream tier", where she starts using aspects of Hakuno's existence for random functions in the Mooncell. Like she turns some of them into some pavement, some into a chair, some into an attack program. Then to top things off she takes Hakuno's consciousness and attaches it to the Mooncell's protein generation facilities, meaning that they get to experience being eaten, torn apart and reformed for eternity.BB is a bit of a psycho.
>>4712206Yeah, I've been against befriending BB as well. And I support not killing Shuten only because I don't want her soul to cause problems to Sakura or Illya.In retrospect, I hope leaving BB alone with Abby and Betty doesn't bite us in the ass later on.
>>4712206We need to stop thinking in terms of who's more evil, and start thinking about how much of a problem people are.BB is incredibly evil, but right now she's a bit annoying at worst to us.Alt wants to enslave us, and while being less deranged and malicious than BB, is much more of a problem for us.
>Super secret boss is BB with stolen powers from not only Nyarly but Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth as well>Bad ends versus her do not lead to Dojo but instead to totaly normal eternal slice of life with BB pretending to be sisterwife Sakura>Shinji is the only one who aware about this in that new realityOh no.
>>4712243This is too terrible to contemplate. We should feed her to Orochi.
>>4712243Would she really try to double dip outer god powers after getting reamed for it the first time?She can't even access her original Harlot powers without Alan's permission.
Did the isekai people finally take QM? Perhaps his sleep deprivation finally got to him.
>>4712289I'm right here.I'm writing. I do have some obligations, so I can't write 24/7.
>>4712294Mush writefag mush
>>4712294Damn you've been up since 5am until now? I genuinely thought that you would be asleep by now.
>>4712297pls no bully
>>4712301WhatIs does it for free like jannies so some bullying is in order.
>>4712294I don't think he meant to be rude, you usually make a post in the morning.
>>4712338I'm just assuming he's grouchy cause of being up since 5am. My post was more of a joke then anything deep. Thanks for sticking up for me though senpai.
>>4712338>>4712349I didn't mean for my response to come across as snappy. Whoops.As my apology, have this......Lemme see...Ok you can have this Extra Special Medea.
"That depends, are you going to kneel down and beg me for forgiveness for being such a treacherous girl if I come to you..." You pause for a moment before continuing... "or are you just going to use it as an opportunity to melt and eat me with that Noble Phantasm of yours?" You shout down the halls back at Shuten, and you earn an amused giggle in response. You frown as Shuten continues laughing mirthfully at the answer you gave to to her request to talk in private. Well, she certainly must've found something funny."Well, Master, that really depends, doesn't it? While I certainly could use it to to get you all by yourself so I could experience just what that magical energy of yours taste like in a liquid form... It's not like I've made up my mind about what to do with you just yet. It's not like I really enjoy fighting all that much, Master, and I did enjoy your presence..." The voice of the dangerous man-eating Oni echoes down the corridors. "So, what do you say, are you willing to give talking to me a go? Come on... I won't bite! Maybe." That last word sends a shudder down your spine."She's... not lying." Karna has his arms crossed. "While the girl herself is clearly a foul demon, she's telling you the truth. I get the feeling, that this girl, despite her debaucherous nature, is one to take oaths and loyalty very seriously. She might be a remorseless slayer of humans, but she isn't the sort to break her word." Karna keeps his voice calm and composed, as observant and cool as you would expect from a top quality Archer such as himself. "Man, nothing good ever comes of trusting people like that, ya' know?" Enhance pulls his hood off, and reveals his full face finally, and he really does look exactly like Dante. "If you ask me, we should just rush her, take her by surprise." He's got a savage grin on his face, he's clearly ready to go up against the Servant, but... you don't know how powerful Shuten is right now. While theoretically she shouldn't be able to deal with Karna, you don't know how something like Bone Collector would interact with Kavacha and Kundala, if she were to successfully use it on him, it would bypass the defenses of his Noble Phantasm armor and leave him dead immediately! Of course, Karna is an Archer, so really, he shouldn't be fighting in close range anyway."She can hear us, you know." Karna looks at Enhance with a raised eyebrow. "Your own senses were great enough to hear this building full of screaming humans from a few kilometers away, and this demon that we face is a natural born hunter of humans. Her natural senses are likely even more attuned than my own are, with the exception of eyesight, I imagine." Karna is being humble about his own abilities for whatever reason, then again, he's probably not wrong. Both Shuten and Ibaraki have shown themselves to have tremendously good natural senses, Shuten mentioned she could smell you while you were outside, after all.
"Yeah, and?" Enhance draws his Demonic Sword and twirls it about in his hands. "It's not like she wouldn't have been expecting an attack if Shinji here doesn't decide he wants to be demon chow after all." He suddenly sinks his blade into the concrete of the floor. "But hey, it's not my call, if Shinji wants to go act as the bait for an attack, that's up to him." Enhance is smiling, clearly he doesn't trust Shuten at all, even despite the reassurances from the human lie detector."It's your Servant, Shinji, so it's your call. Do you think that you can trust this demon not to immediately kill you the moment she sees an opportunity?" Ciel has a worried expression on her face, and an ornately decorated silver and red spear in her hands. The weapon she's holding is something easily on the level of a Noble Phantasm, perhaps a level beyond even that! You can at least tell that much from it with just a quick glance at it. It exudes even more holy power than something like Excalibur!>"Alright, Shuten. Let's talk.">"I think you need to be taught a lesson in discipline, first.">"Could I convince you to come to me instead by promising you a kiss?">"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about your dad being summoned?">Write-in...
>>4712362Could I convince you to come to me instead by promising you a kiss?"
>>4712362>"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about your dad being summoned?"Maybe it's because i really, really like Dante, but he's not wrong you know?
>>4712099There might be.
>>4712362>"Alright, Shuten. Let's talk."
>>4712362>>"Could I convince you to come to me instead by promising you a kiss?">>4712099He's killed Shirou and he's about as autistic as Vergil
>>4712358>"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about your dad being summoned?"She was pretty evasive in her answer, we came close to dying the last time we spoke to her, and she might have a grudge against us for leaving her to her fate in Manaka's clutches. And that's without considering how Manaka might have twisted her, if indeed she twisted her. Going in alone strikes me as extremely suicidal.
>>4712362>"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about joining me again to fight not only your dad but his new seven Servants? I promise you this will be once-in-a-timeline opportunity. A pinky promise. In fact I can give you that pinky finger right away if you promise to behave like a good girl. And plus I would hate to see Ibaraki crying about your fate for the third time in a week."
>>4712389>>4712362>>"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about your dad being summoned?"Actually switching, i just remembered its a bad idea for servants to get physical with us
>>4712362Switching >>4712391 to >>4712392
>>4712362>>"Hey, Shuten, how do you feel about your dad being summoned?"I'm not falling for the Shuten trap again, either she comes to us or we go in there and subdue her. >>4712382I hope so it would be funny to explain to the both of them the Devil May Cry games and the very minor meme role Dante had in SMT.
>>4712404Speaking of, I'm in a moving vehicle and will be abstaining from voting.
>>4712413Maybe not actually, I'm surprised my id has been so stable.I'm >>4712209
Calling in 30
>>4712404I do like my write-in but if I were interested in swinging quest`s direction into some specific way I would at least bother to add some posts to few static IPs I have access too.And doing so in collective game kills its point for me anyway.
I'm suprised Shuten dosen't call us Husband like she does to a bland slate like Ritsuka/Ritsuko. Why just Master?
>>4712449Bc we're khv
>>4712449She hasn't seen us do enough cool stuff yet and she hasn't seen us around other girls
>>4712449An unfortunate consequence of the source material being in Japanese and this quest being in English.Shuten calls the Master of Chaldea "Master" But in Japanese, that use of the word master can also mean "Husband".
>>4712467We kissed Medea
>>4712468I think she spent more days imprisoned by Manaka than hours as our Servant.
>>4712472I genuinely thought she said it because it annoyed Raikou
>>4712473OK then shv
>>4712477How do you kiss someone without hugging them
>>4712476Shuten doesn't need to do anything to annoy Raikou. Merely existing is enough.The same is true for Shuten.about Raikou.
>>4712482>he doesn't know
Shuten voice is pure sex and i would pay all my money for aoi yuuki to do ASMR with that voice.
>>4711901It's been stated a lot that Karna is Gil's equals, likely a little lower, that's him as a Lancer, as an Archer he's at his absolute best. The thing that holds him back is that he's a total Mana hog, even more so than a Berserker, that's why Ciel is a perfect master for him
Does our Blessing from Alitheia let us ride Mordred?
>>4712508In more ways than one
>>4712511I mean purely in the sense of a vehicle.
>>4712508>Allows for the riding of all dragons so long as the level of the Riding skill is high enough.>Shinji Riding: D++>Mordred Riding: BWe need to work harder for it.
>>4712516It's not like it will be hard to practice, she seems to want to carry us everywhere.
Hey, this isn't related to what's going on with Shuten, but I'm gonna need some dice.Specifically, 5 lots of 4d100.LRKFW
Rolled 87, 34, 8, 26 = 155 (4d100)>>4712530
Rolled 91, 25, 48, 63 = 227 (4d100)>>4712530I hope I am wrong with a guess.
Rolled 28, 17, 56, 80 = 181 (4d100)>>4712530
Rolled 72, 75, 7, 11 = 165 (4d100)>>4712530
Rolled 67, 97, 95, 44 = 303 (4d100)>>4712530
Rolled 85, 90, 64, 11 = 250 (4d100)>>4712530>LRKFWLancer, Rider, ???
>>4712540Lancer, Rider, Keeper?, Foreigner, Watcher
i can't tell if we did good or not or how this is counted, is it each individual roll? i'm extremely nervous
>>4712544Fuck you're right.
Lancer, Rider, Karna, Foreigner, Waver?
Rolled 16, 23, 37, 75 = 151 (4d100)>>4712530Welp heres hoping this goes well. (I know we already have. 5 rolls but fuck it I might as well contribute)
Rolled 81, 6, 61, 69 = 217 (4d100)>>4712533And a free reroll for the worst...
>>4712552Nah its probably what >>4712544 said.
>>4712559>And a free rerollOh, god.
>>4712559oh god we fucked up
>>4712559What happened?? Are Waver's team about to be anally raped and then vored?
>>4712566Probably not, most of them rolled above average.
>>4712569if its all the best roll from each roll then it goes 91, 97, 95 and 80
>>4712569>Luvi155 217 reroll>Reines227 >Kairi181 >Flat165 >Waver303 Kairi and Flat are in trouble.
so are you guys still hyped for Fate Extra Remake after hearing about what's going on with TsukiR?
>>4712576How presumptuous of you to suggest I had any hope to begin with.
>>4712576Not getting my hopes up, too many vidyas have been half baked of recent.
>>4712576I was never hyped for that game to begin with. Lost all my faith in nasu in all extra related content after the last encore anime.
>>4712576I would prefer it to be good but I don`t hold any expectations.
>>4712358Important question, is it younger Dante or boomer Dante Enhance looks like
So what's the objective here because if we want her back we'll need rule breaker. Meaning we should ask Madea to come. This is under the assumption that Manaka hasn't already made her self-sefficent or used a command seal with certain conditions.
>>4712639younger Dante cause Enhance autistically rages against DAA
>>4712643Truth to purge Manaka's influence, reestablish contract. Medea TPing in (or sending Redman) is plan B.
>>4712099EMIYA is basically Vergil aesthetically. Susanoo may show up at some point and coincidentally look and act just like him with katana and theme song a like.
>>4712099>>4712658Since Nasu is redoing DAAs anyway why not just have an OC?
>>4712661more work for WhatIs, we'll see. Shinji might need some real inspiration for a series of games he'll commission post war
>>4712665We can save RTS genre.
>>4712661Like 1/3 of the DAA are dead or sealed, just replace one of them
Updates delayed.Feeling very sick.
>>4712746Get well soon!
>>4712746Don't die please.
>>4712746the curse finally got to you
>>4712746Consider seeing a doctor for a proper diagnosis if you had not done so yet.
>>4712746The isekai cometh. Tell Shirou that he is a simp and get Saber pregnant already.
>>4712746Don’t die WhatIs. Also get well soon.
I reread our second visit to the Dojo, trying to figure out if Taiga's Servant killed us and if there was a clue to his identity.>While you wait for your Servant to come back to you, you feel a presence behind you... an ominous presence. Not one that feels powerful magically, but easily one that screams danger, you turn around, immediately prepared to strike whoever it is that has snuck up on you, only to be completely thrown off guard by a female police officer standing behind you, her appearance is mostly covered .>"Excuse me, Sir? But this area is off-limits." The police officer has a baton in her hand, is she... threatening you? "I'm going to have to ask you to die." The woman says with a calm and almost happy smile.>...Pardon? As soon as she says those words, you immediately prepare for a fight!>Before you can question the woman any further, she brings her baton down, she's fast, but she doesn't have the speed of a Servant, and you'll easily be able to block an attack like this!>You raise your arm upwards in order to block the baton so you can follow up with a counter attack, a punch to the woman's kidneys should do the trick and incapacitate her.>Only that's what you expected to happen. For all your martial arts training and experience, nothing prepared you for just what happened when you tried to block the baton. It literally smashes through your arm, causing the entire appendage to explode into a shower of gore. You don't even get to question what's happening before the Baton is swung towards you again, but this time at your chest, you're in too much shock to even think about blocking the second attack, not that it would've done you much good.>The baton strikes your chest and cleaves through your body with blunt force alone, leaving you a severed torso on the ground, quickly bleeding out and looking up at your murderer, you manage to utter a single word "A-Assassin?". The last thing you notice before a boot comes down to crush your skull is an inhuman smile, and the flick of a tail.>DEAD END.>Sun Wukong knows the 72 Bian form of shapeshifting, allowing her to take almost any form, animate or inanimate. However, she has one drawback to her shapeshifting. Whatever form she takes must in some way include a tail. Gender is irrelevant to Sun Wukong, and she simply takes on the form she feels her Master would be more comfortable with.It wasn't an Assassin. We got ganked by Sun when we sent Betty after her Master.
>>4712857We need to bully Wu Kong with a replica of the shrinking headband used by Shuwen Zhang at some point for her being a paranoid homicidal hothead.
>>4712857We never figured out who was killing those boys around that time did we? Unless Shuten developed a very specific fetish at the time? People were assuming it was Cain considering the targets.
>>4712873Wouldn't be surprised if it was Shuten, she likes "good looking young guys" and eating them especially. I highly doubt Taiga would let her Second Assassin harm anyone, but Zouken pretty much let Shuten do whatever she wanted.
>>4712873>"Corpses. Human Corpses." Rin's face pales very slightly. "But not just human corpses, either. Each of the victims were children. Boys somewhere between the age of eight and eighteen years old, I counted twenty five of the bodies in the warehouse, each of them had been cut into four parts, and-" Archer looks as if he's about to explain everything about his investigation to Rin, with all the cold calculation that one would expect of a computer. It seems that even if he had been affected by the sight of such vicious senseless killing, that it didn't leave him emotionally compromised for very long. Seeing something like that however would probably shut Shirou down until he was given a hug or something though.>The white haired, tanned Archer looks around for targets before he continues "I found traces of magic use inside the warehouse actually, and of the bodies I examined, the cause of their death wasn't being bisected, but was instead repeated blunt force trauma to the back of the head. Each and every one of them died that same way. If I had to guess, it was for some sort of ritual."I had assumed it was Shuten at the time, but reading back it doesn't sound like her. Maybe Zouken used them to fuel the ritual that summoned her? Or it could be Nyarly. Can't really thing of anything else.I think I might reread the Quest from the beginning and try to figure out if there's anything else in general that jumps out now we know more about what's been going on.
"Hey Shuten... how would you feel about joining me again to fight not only an additional seven Servants, but also the man... or well, the god who summoned them?" Shuten remains silent for a second, so you decide to keep talking. "I promise you that this is a once-in-a-timeline opportunity Shuten. I don't know how much Manaka might've told you about what's going on, but... well, would you like to meet your father?" The temperature seems to drop as you say that, and the tension in the room becomes thick enough that it could be cut with a knife."Father?" Karna repeats your words, and not Shuten. "You can't possibly be talking about...!" Looks like Karna is unaware of what went down in the forest, but the mention of the father of Shuten-dōji is something that any Heroic Spirit should be able to rapidly discern the identity of a divine spirit from just that much. Karna is by no means foolish. "Yamata-no-Orochi, a False Beast, and the divine spirit possessing the body of my ancestor after he summoned him into himself in order to get one last laugh at me. What's more, he managed to steal half of Arcueid Brunestud's current power, and of course, your father and previous incarnation." It's strange to think that Shuten is actually a downgraded version of the Snake God, a portion of his power that split off after he was slain by Susanoo and became its own being, which itself eventually degraded from a dragon to an oni. "Come on, Shuten. I'll give you my pinky finger right away if you promise to behave like a good girl from now on, don't you want to make it a promise?""My... father." Shuten repeats, her voice sounding like a whisper despite reaching your ears anyway. "Why would I help you again though, Master? I put my trust in you, and then you abandoned me just like that! Why would I trust you, or even help you when I can continue to exist through the power that girl granted me?" It seems that the idea of getting into more fights isn't really one that appeals to Shuten. The lazy girl. You might've had more luck if you promised her an extra comfortable pillow or something."What, you can't mean to tell me that you actually like doing what that girl in the grail wanted you to do, surely?! Come on Shuten, you know you can trust me, right? Are you really content with being used as nothing more than a tool by that girl? I might've had to leave you, but she was the one who took you from me!" You keep talking, thinking of just the way to get to Shuten. While she keeps her affection for Ibaraki quite well concealed, she obviously does have some emotions for the girl. "Besides, I'd hate to see Ibaraki cry about your fate for the third time in a week. You don't like making her worry about you, do you?" You haven't spent a long time with Ibaraki, but it's very obvious that the girl is clearly massively distressed about what happened to her sworn sibling.
>>4712889When we found Shuten's victims they were all post Bone Collector too, bodyhorror jellysacks. Why would an alcoholic hedonist waste time on a ritual? Would have been traces of her Intoxicating Aroma around too if it was her doing. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't her. When I google quartering murders the only hit I find is those who were sentenced to drawn and quartering, not quadsected targets.
There's a long period of silence. "That's a low blow, Master..." There's another period of silence. "I'll tell you my answer if you come alone. There's something I want to ask you, but it needs to be... private, and face to face. If you bring anyone else, I'll kill them, and then I'll show you what happens to somebody who discards hospitality offered to them by an oni.">"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me.">"Sorry, but negotiations aren't going any further than this. Let's see how you feel about rejoining me after a thrashing, you foolish girl.">"Hey Karna, you can tell where she is right? Would you mind shooting her?">Write-in...
>>4712907>>"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."Actually? Shuten does honor hospitality and she isn't the type to be deceitful, if she wanted to kill us she would've gone for it without thinking much of it
>>4712907>If she's willing to rejoin she can give her answer here to her future allies, or see them turned against her. We're wasting time negotiating with an irredeemable monster, shoot her Karna. Her BatCon is strong enough we can be rough with her without her actually dying long enough to Truthwipe her.Karna's Clairvoyance + Discernment of the poor means he has to know her location. Presence concealment doesn't work on him.
>>4712907>"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."Karna can tell if she's lying (god, this guy is a walking cheat), in which case we shoot her until she says uncle. Success?>>4712905Yeah, I agree about Shuten. But I think blunt force trauma to the back of the head is the bigger clue. Could it be Sun? She was at the scene of the crime, she has a murder weapon that fits, and she might have needed to gain mana. But why boys if it was her, and why the quartering?
>>4712923Sun's powerpole has a set weight of several tonnes, he makes humans into red smears if he bonks them.
>>4712927Ah, so that's why our hand exploded when we blocked. Back to square one with no suspect then.
>>4712931Yeah reading it back now it was really obvious who dead ended Shinji there. Baton object, splattering on impact, tail.
>>4712918Is it a good idea to trust an Alter though? SAlter after getting corrupted was willing to betray everything about herself and kill Shirou with no command spell but by only by request and watch in apathy as the whole world would become obliterated by Sakura. Artoria was also willing to kill Rin too, someone who is clearly weaker than her and which goes against her Chivalrous nature.
>>4712934I don't trust Shuten, but I do trust Karna to be able to tell if she's lying.
>>4712934Wow I fucked up my whole sentence there. Guess that's what you get when you type half asleep.
>>4712907>Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me.
>>4712907Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."
>>4712934I don't think she's been blackened, plus Karna knows when someone is lying or not
>>4712934We don't know if she's an alter, every behavior that she's shown so far shows that she's just been socially engineered to be a problem, which fits with how Manaka did things in Sky Silver.Also, Salter didn't betray her principles but that's an essay I don't want to type on mobile.
>>4712907>Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me.......heeeeyyyy. The dojo is still open riiiiiiiigghhhhhhttt?
>>4712907>"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."
>>4712907>>Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me.If we are going to the Dojo because of y'all we are going to go through a forced Kaleido Amythest transformation vote again and piss off the autistic no-fun people as compensation.
>>4712963I reckon Kaleido shinji-chan showing up in the dojo and getting laughed at by og Shinji would make a good CP skit
>>4712907>"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."I hope OG shinji makes an appearance again in the dojo
If you guys think we're going to the Dojo, you should vote for something else. We have a long day ahead of us, I wouldn't want us to wear out our welcome there.
>>4712963I genuinely have a soft spot for Shuten and really wanna believe this will work out
>>4712980No one seemed to care about Shuten being an Alter, and someone was even in denial of that fact even though we JUST saw Gorgon and Alter Lancer. It's been a while that we've seen Taiga though, and I want my Kaleido Amythest wish to come true.
>>4712980If there's a death here I hope people resolve to use proper force. She's the only one here who can actually take the punishment due to her batcon and doesn't even mind being roughed up.
>>4712984You picked this option back when the VN was around didn't you? Yummy.
>>4712986Fair enough. But how do you think a Shuten Alter could get such a lie past our boy Karna?>>4712988Well yeah, if negotiations fail it's time to break out the big guns. We don't have time to play around.
>>4712991Because maybe Manaka will pull her strings tight suddenly and has only given her the current free reign without a CS or similar order as bait to lure in and kill Shinji as he constantly goes for diplomacy.
Okay so I’ve been theorizing what kind of new power Shuten might have and judging by the screams and suddenly dropping bodies we saw shuten causing I’m going to say she has some power to suck the soul right out of someone by proximity or such
>>4712991Have you seen that Last Airbender episode where that Earth Bending girl couldn't tell if Azula was lying or not, even though said Earth bending girl was an expert at detecting lies by heart rate and air patterns or some shit like that? That's why I think Shuten Alter could lie through her teeth and nobody would know.
>>4712907>>"Fine. But first, promise me that you aren't planning on harming me."
>>4712996Ok but Karna has literal magic
>>4712996That’s because Azula is a bitch and you can’t trust the words of a bitch, truth or not
>>4712993It's probably just Bone Collector with more range. Maybe mixed in with the AoE of Intoxicating Aroma of Fruits.
>>4713000Dude idk what you want me to say, its just an educated guess. There's a reason why you killed SAlter in HF and you didn't go easy on her. I'm okay with getting Dojo or being proven wrong after QM writes.
>>4713008Like I understand that there's something off about this but Karna knows when someone is lying and knows when something is a trap
>>4712907Probably too late, but switching >>4712923 to >"I would agree, but I don't trust that new Master of yours not to yank your leash while I'm there. How about you come over here, I erase her hold over you, and then we talk in peace?">>4712992Damn, you're absolutely right. That's exactly what happened with Mordred. Karna made me complacent.
>>4713025>>4712907Yeah switching to this, I'm not going for the meme vote anymore. QM did say not to underestimate anything when confronting our former allies.
>>4713025>>4712918>>4712907This actually is the smarter choice, switching to this, maybe there's time
Calling in 15 minutes.
>>4712931switching to >>4713025 from >>4712979i forgot what happened when we approached mordred solo this is the smarter choice.
>>4713035FUCK, we're so fucked goddamn it
>>4713036Actually, yeah, Mordred didn't have bad intentions with us but her master forced a command seal
>>4713028Don't we have Madea to teleport if something happens?
>>4713043Servants are faster than command seals, Shirou got done in in one bad end cause Rider ripped his arm off before he could use a command seal
>>4713043Not instantaneous obviously. Servants can move faster than thought, my initial plan for Medea was telepathically talk to her once Dante and Karna held Shuten down for RB.
>>4713025Switching to this. Perhaps we didn’t make the wisest choice.....welp least we get to see Taiga again. And in person this time too.
>>4713057its a tie now so you actually kinda saved us
>>4713060Oh, thank fuck!
>>4712907>>4713025support I don't think Manaka is micromanaging in an attempt to kill us but with how little we know when it comes to what she's done with our allies an abundance of caution is warranted.
>>4712907>>4712922Seeing as mine is probably a bit more aggressive than what the audience wants I'll swap to >>4713025to ensure there's no tie
Carnival Ideas:Competition between protagonists in various activities such as cooking and high jump.Shinji and Mordred are late to a diplomatic meeting and Shinji must use his riding skills to guide Modred though a gauntlet of unlikely obstacles. A downturn in Clock Tower infighting forces Monica to become a street performer and she quickly becomes a hit with increasingly implausible coin tricks.
>>4713113high jump would be good, Shinji keeps trying to jump over because he literally can't fathom not being able to achieve anything, which includes the high jump
"I would agree, Shuten, I do trust you, really... But I don't trust your new Master not to yank your leash while I'm there. She's proven herself to be nothing but a thorn in my side. How about instead, you come over here, I erase her hold over you, and we have a nice chat in peace?" You try to make an offer to the girl. You don't trust Manaka not to use you speaking to the girl as an opportunity to have her use her Command Spells to force Shuten to slay you, no matter what her intentions might be. It's unfortunate, but even if you want to trust Shuten, you can't."I'm sorry, Master, but... I really can't do that." Shuten sighs. "I wanted to play a game with you, where I'd have given you the chance to stop me from... well from doing this, and maybe you'd have severed my contract while you were at it, but..." There's suddenly a great surge of magical energy from deeper inside the shopping center, and you take a step backwards. Is this... A noble phantasm?! "The girl, she 'blessed' each and every one of those who remained trapped in her prison with a great deal of power." Shuten explains things a little, but you don't get what she could be up to."Shuten?! What are you up to?!" If she's about to use Providential Oni Poison, you'll need to get out as quick as you can! You prepare to mentally communicate with Medea in order to organize a teleport out for you and your allies, but before you can..."Progenitor of Oni- Mask of Mt. Hiei!" [Status Updated]The Noble Phantasm she calls out is... very different from the one you were expecting, and you honestly have no idea just what Shuten has done for a moment. "You didn't think I was just being gluttonous and eating all those people, did you?" The whole building begins to shake. "Behold, Master! The rebirth of the Oni race!" Shuten cries out with a joyful voice. You can hear the sound of hundreds of footsteps, racing towards your group. Karna looks conflicted as he aims his bow at the crowd of people as it finally comes into view for you as well. It's a crowd, three hundred strong, all wearing the clothing of civilians, though these clearly aren't civilians any longer. From each of their heads jut two horns, the tips of their fingers have been replaced by sharp looking nails, and their eyes belay a deep hunger for the flesh of humans. Men, women, children. None were spared from the transformative effects of this new Noble Phantasm of Shuten's, it seems.
Did... Shuten really transform all of these people into Oni!? That's... insane! There are so many of them, is this even a fight you can win? Do you even want to?! These people were just innocent bystanders! Yet right now, they represent a force of Oni that could tear apart practically anything!>"You know what, enough of this." Telepathically ask Medea to just teleport you directly to Shuten.>"We need to go." Telepathically communicate with Medea to ask her to get you and your allies out of here.>"Karna, Enhance. What are you waiting for?" Attack the army of freshly transformed Oni.>"We need to evade them!" You don't want to kill all these people, it might be possible to reverse the transformation, or to at least return them to sanity.>Write-in...
She just wanted to talk in person, guys.
>>4713149>>"You know what, enough of this." Telepathically ask Medea to just teleport you directly to Shuten.Whelp
>>4713150>repeat of last timeI'm not regretting this. I did enough diplo and ate shit for it, and the one time I try to not walk alone into danger I get shafted. Fuck this shit. Those civilians were good as dead the moment they were in proximity to Shuten, the moment they had the gall to stay and live in Fuyuki, ignorant of how worthless they were as background cutout vestiges. Each and every last one of them isn't fit to face us named and important people. They're not even human, far beneath any animal or insect, or anything that can be classified as living. Mobile humanoid objects. That is the Truth of their being.And objects are objects. In my way.- Shinji Makiri
>>4713149You know what, enough of this." Telepathically ask Medea to just teleport you directly to ShutenNext time faggots have a little faith in our allies.
Flavour text says it can't be reversed, even if Shuten dies. Because people seethed last time I opted for a sudden Kalideostar moment, who would be averse to just whipping out the RM to purify them all with the free mana refills?
>>4713150I don't regret it, she almost ate us last time we "talked" to her. You also told us to be more careful about our former allies. We barely knew her for more than 30 minutes tops until Manaka banished her to the shadow realm, so how the hell was she suppose to expect that we would talk to her just like that with how dangerous she is? Give me a minute to make a decision.
>>4713157motherfucker, last time we tried to put faith in a person, we got turned into a Dead Apostle, its not wrong to feel this way, especially since Shuten and everyone else is under the control of Manaka and going on a rampage>>4713159I think its time we go all in and try to use our RM, we do some wild things with Truth, being able to switch someone from being an Oni to a Human is in the deck
>>4713157Most people had faith in Shuten, just not Manaka's hold over her. Manaka has no sold A rank Magic Resistance with absolutely no effort before so it's not like anything other than Truth, Outer God bs and either Merlin or Plot (who else got Shirou and Saber out of that situation?). Shuten wouldn't be able to resist even if she wanted to.
>>4713161The fact that she was referring to you as 'Master' still, even when you aren't currently her Master was supposed to tip you off.
Can anyone remind me why we want this bitch alive again? Because seriously, she has been a pain in the ass for as long as I can remember and murders anyone she pleases.I know Ibaraki would be angry and all, but I really can't bring myself to care.
>>4713159I'm down for going Mahou Shounen and using reality marble purification. I'm not autistically against using what we are given just because its "silly".
>>4713162I just worry about Ciel, Karna and Dante's opinion of us just electing to slaughter 300 odd NPCs. It's why I'd suggest the Truth bs alt route purification.
>>4713149>Use Amethyst to infuse yourself with mana and invoke your RM to purify the NPCs and Shuten of the Oni curse.This might even return Shuten to her pre Oni form before the mask cursed her.
>>4713165cause having one other person with us to fight Orochi is a good idea, also because killing her means Ibaraki will want us dead
>>4713150Yeah, not regretting this either. There was nothing different between this situation and Mordred. Friendly Servant, enemy Master who wants to use our power. A trip to the Dojo wasn't even the worst case scenario here, we couldn't possibly afford another snatch an grab in the middle of this clusterfuck.>>4713163Long day ahead of us, I'm not sure I want to rely too much on Amethyst. Could Ciel Karna and Dante fight defensively and try knocking them out while we go patch things up with Shouten?
>>4713164Yeah these people are dense... >>4713166And what if the dice fails us?
>>4713173We turn into a tranny simple as.
>>4713172yolo, we're on a timer. This is specifically an irreversible effect so the only way to fix it is reality rewriting bullshit.>>4713173We don't need anything other than mana supply, Amethyst might be able to just siphon mana without a full transformation.
You don't have the full reality marble. You can only really progress it when you're in extreme danger, or suffering from extreme stress.While you could've gone all the way and unlocked it all in Betty's inner world, you stopped yourself from thinking of the next verses.
>>4713170dude, remember what QM said? Forcing a RM while using Amethyst is a bad idea, we should handle Shuten first>>4713173Mordred was friendly to us and Rizo still forced her to follow his orders
>>4713162>use Kaleido Truth magic to edit peoples DNA and make them human again. Fuck it. I’m down. We’ll probably be punished for our dumb meme bullshit this time but hey may as well see if we can do it.>>4713149>"You know what, enough of this." Telepathically ask Medea to just teleport you directly to Shuten.>Write in..>”Enough of this Shuten. Just because I don’t trust your master doesn’t mean I don’t trust you. I have a lot of faith in you Shuten, now stop this. I don’t want to fight you”. Yes this is autistic and probably won’t work out because of how Shuten currently feels about us. But hey might as well try to be diplomatic one last time before we have to get serious and fight.
>>4713165Her soul goes into Sakura or Illya, we have to storm the temple and secure the Greater Grail in even less than a week.>>>4713166>just because its "silly".The objection was more because I see Shinji getting turned into a girl permanently as game over, gg no re.
>>4713172Even if they could, these people are permanently rampaging Oni.
>>4713177>or suffering from extreme stressi feel like this situation is an extremely stressful one
>>4713182>permanently rampaging Oni.If they're knocked out we can Truth them one by one without messing with an incomplete Reality Marble. Amethyst would give us the mana to do it if our reserves are not enough.
>>4713177would Amethyst still require a dice roll?
>>4713177I actually thought we had all the verses down, just hadn't opened the full box. My bad, reread the character sheet.I still think it'd be interesting to try and use Truth to reverse the Oni transformation on Shuten if the chance arises, permanently altering her Saint Graph to something closer to Ibuki and hoping removing a lot of her brain problems towards seeing people as booze ingredients.
>>4713184Yeah, but it's not the sort of situation where Shinji feels lost and hopeless, which probably would've been a better way to put things.I'll give you a big hint as to how you can potentially solve your current problem.If only there was somebody you knew whos entire role in life was keeping Oni under control...
>>4713191I wish I reread turkeyhandle within the last 10 years, drawing a blank.
>>4713191>If only there was somebody you knew whos entire role in life was keeping Oni under control...A FUCK i feel like its on the tip of my tongue shit
>>4713190>reverse the Oni transformation on Shuten if the chance arisesThis would basically just obliterate Shuten's entire personality and replace her with somebody else entirely. You'd effectively kill her by any other name by doing this.
Even if she's referring to Shinji as master that doesn't mean much. We have no idea what Manaka did to her or gave her. This is also the same situation as Mordred so it might not even have mattered what she thought.We also only knew her for a couple of hrs tops.
>>4713197isn't it ibaraki's master since she's an oni and a shrine maden. Aren't shrine maiden supposed to be really good at calming evil spirits and shit.
>>4713191Does QM mean Ibaraki? Wasn't she able to cause the Tohno mansions onis to go berserk?
>>4713197ITS IBARAKI>>4713149>>4713153adding to my vote>Telepathically ask Medea to teleport Ibaraki and tell her to use Fortress of Oni
>>4713203its Ibaraki, her NP actually didn't make them rampage, she just put them directly under her control
>>4713202>>4713203>>4713204>>4713205They are specifically independent of Shuten's control.We could bring the two here and have them negotiate but we run the risk of Ibaraki having a gamer moment and just taking them as her army and going off the rails.I guess she understands the importance of reality wiping threat though?
>>4713202It's Ibraki, the only reason Shuten's army wasn't full retard.
>>4713207that's why we teleport directly to Shuten and break Manaka's hold on her right as we get Medea to teleport Ibaraki here
Can someone make a condescened version of teleporting Ibaraki and her Master here and telling Ibaraki to use her NP. Also include the talking to Shuten afterwards thing. There's too many ideas going on rn to support.
>>4713217I think we should teleport towards Shuten too, its not a given that Ibaraki will listen to us or that Shuten won't immediately attack if we stop her plan
>>4713225If we're teleporting to Shuten, do we bring Enhance and Karna incase she attacks?
>>4713225When I suggest autistically long multi stage writeins WhatIs always only uses the first few steps for the next update. It might be too much. This would be handling the Oni mob heading for us by:>Giving Medea a command>Medea teleporting the two of them here>Giving Ibaraki a command>Ibaraki's response/action>Shuten's response to this
I'm going to bed, but I just realized something.The original Melty Blood series takes place after the theoretical Satsuki Route.Seeing as the new Melty is a prequel that occurs before Tsukihime Remake begins, this means that not only did Satsuki not get her route.She had her route taken away from her.
>>4713227Yeah, I think we'll get a new choice after Ibaraki handles the mob.>>4713229Being (canon) Sacchin is suffering. Goodnight WhatIs!
>>4713227I try to fit as much of a write-in plan in as I can if one wins, but when circumstances change, I usually have it turn into a vote.
>>4713229Sacchin may not have a route but she will always have her Shinji-kun.
>>4713229We all know going to bed doesn't mean you'll necessarily sleep or stop posting
>>4713229We're basically required to give Sacchin a GOOD END now
>>4713229No Sacchin happiness unless its fanfiction QM, that is the Nasu rule. No Illya happiness either, because she dies or will die in every route other that Prisma Illya. Repeat after me: FGO. Was. A. Mistake. >>4713224This is good, why don't you reply to QM choice post?
>>4713239>not wanting to be with Sacchin foreveranon...
>>4713241Because I've already replied like 3 times. I'll delete my old stuff and link it as a write in.
>>4713241Huh did janny get rid of niggerman's idea for vote? What the hell?
>>4713149>Have Medea teleport Ibaraki and her master here immediately, tell Ibaraki to invoke her fortress to take control of the Oni army so you can make a path towards Shuten and talk to her directly.Discard my older post here >>4713170 it's too old to delete and assumed we had more RM control.
>>4713248No I jannied myself to try and reduce WhatIs's workload in counting votes.
>>4713149>>4713249+1>>4713254>I jannied myselfYour sacrifice will not be forgotten
>>4713227In retrospect, I should have put calling Waver before teleporting to Ciel in my autistic writeup.
Completely unrelated but it'd be pretty funny if we ended up doing FGO stuff and just popped in at the last moment to t pose in front of Mashu trying to block Goetia's Ars Almadel Salomonis in the time temple, nullifying the attack with Truth.Would also allow Fou to retain his power and sentience.
>>4713263pretty sure we would stop most of FGO from happening if we just gut Lev if he didn't neck himself already
>>4713260They'll be fine... I hope. Besides its OOC for Shinji to psychically know something happened to them.
>>4713263Maybe FGO didn't happen because Rin and Shirou never shagged and had Ritsuka, unless EMIYA somehow gets a physical body after this war?
>>4713267Yeah, but giving a call to Waver was literally the next thing in the agenda before we got sidetracked. They were THIS close to being as safe as one can be in this city right now.
>>4713265We inquired about Lev with Waver and he'd never heard of him iirc which is really weird considering he was a very prominent clocktower figure. I'm honestly stumped on what WhatIs has gone for in regards to the FGO plot threads as Merlin was summoned here and is wandering around with Olga and Solomon isn't Grand Caster.
>>4713268>somehowWe are already planning on incarnating everyone, aren't we?
>>4713229Sacchin gets laughed at and ignored at best, brutalized and tormented at worst.>>4713268Ritsuka isn't Rin or Shirou's kid, just a nobody without an original design.
>>4713268Ritsuka isn't the son/daughter of Shirou and Rin, they're way too old to be their children
>>4713281>>4713285I know, its a joke. But who knows? Maybe in this timeline they are. *illumnati music*. Hell if an iteration of the Prototype protagonist and Manakas exists Ritsuka could somehow, someway be Rin and Shirou's kid from another dimension distortion whosits, or Alan farting somehow caused that to happen. >>4713276Well duh, unless you want some of our allies to have barren wombs.
>>4713291>unless you want some of our allies to have barren wombsIdk, its probably for the best at the rate we're going
>>4713287Or EMIYA shagged a younger version of his former lover. What a twist!
>>4713292Two adopted magic daughters, and one biological dragon daughter isn't enough. We gonna be Ocotodad by the time we hit our twenties.
>>4713292We'll already have limited time to dedicate to everyone in the harem. It'll be cruel if we can't even give them a kid (or two or ten) to dote on.
>>4713298Will Shinji's skin darken like Redman the more we become an absent father to the children of multiple women?
>>4713305...we'll have to create a Shinji copy for each girl, won't we?
>>4713310Shouldn't be that hard we have touko with us even if our puppets are incapable of magecraft as long as they can satisfy the women then its fine.
>>4713310People will want to also wife a clone that's been trannified by Amethyst if that happens.
>>4713313Good thing only Rin knows about that.Well, Merlin knows too, and Zelretch, and Medea and Tamamo of they happened to be scrying, and...
>>4713317EMIYA may get a shared dream of it at some point too
>>4713317Don't be too hasty. We'll probably be using that damned thing again before the day is out.
Man, reading old discussions about balance and future events is hilarious. Hey whatis, remember saying Arcueid could steamroll the entire war at 30%?
It's the same with things which were ruled out by the players or soft deconfirmed by the qm, like fgo and extra.
I think I may have found a candidate for the identity of Nyarly's Rider. Low chance to be sure, but it fits what little we know.
>>4713332WhatIs posted a fanmade imagine of Aife and she used rune magic in story. He might have corrupted her after the fact though.
>>4713333Oh. I should have reread before posting.
>>4713319>rin's memory of us being a girl is so important to her that it is dream shared with her servanti see
>>4713342Probably up there in unforgettable moments with freeing Sakura as a child and giving her info on Kirei in regards to Shinji related memories
>>4713319>>4713342What if EMIYA... falls in love with Shinji-chan's face and changes his life mission from autistically trying to kill himself, to instead force us to become a tranny cause Shinji-chan is hot?
>>4713342probably has one Shinji related memory in her mind considering we're such an important figure in her life and that was the moment she finally got one over on us
I kinda wanna go into Caubac's labyrinth after the HGW, would be a cool challenge mode
>>4713149Supporting >>4713249 but Shuten really testing limits of our patience.
New Prisma movie next year fellashttps://youtu.be/skF7R7cPf0w
>>4713538Just buy FROM with FGO money and do Prisma Souls already, Nasu.
What happened to Takeuchi's art?He's basically worse than Akira Toriyama with the samefaces now.
>>4713549Probably got too comfortable doing same thing over and over again and his fundamental skills have deteriorated.Normally it is a disease reserved for niche fetish porn artists.
>>4713549Gacha money means he can phone it in.
>>4713549Complacency due to TM recent success i really find it funny that ciel's new design is just blue mash.
>>4713559Tachie has a better design than Mash does.Shame we'll never get to see the prototype Mash as she was intended to appear.
>>4713325You're right, rereading is hilarious. I've forgotten so much. And I wonder if this guy is still around, I imagine he'd be happy with us doing 3/3:>We should at least put:>>Save Illya>>Turn into Magical Girl>>Shenanigans>>Into our bucket list.
>>4713325And she probably could have, before things got even more crazy.
>>4713571Could she have dealt with Alan?
>>4713571Technically Orochi defeated her. In one attack.
>>4713576She got cheapshotted.She can regenerate from having her body almost completely destroyed almost completely without much difficulty, so under normal circumstances, losing a leg wouldn't have meant anything to her.>>4713572She would've been forced to call on the Counter Force to restore her to her full power to banish him, but she understandably doesn't really want to erase her personality by doing that.
>>4713579I imagine Nyarly being banished from his favourite game world would make him just come back bigger and stronger and dab on Arc to let him play with his human toys though. Probably better it's not a direct confrontation with him
>>4713582I spy Shuten post Truth cleanse of her Oni mask curse
>>4713584That's a large bunch of bananas
>>4713579The problem is that it is still counts as defeat. Dice or not.Escalation seems to reach a point where the only solution for us is to phone Alaya and beg for that Beast position. Or get pyrrhic victory from one giant meat grinder.I will be fine with either if it is end up in satisfactory note.But I suppose it is in spirit of VN and Gil not putting on his armor or getting eaten by Sakura in random encounter.And just to be clear I do enjoy the ride and hope you don`t take it as me lashing out because no easy victories since it is not that but just me voicing my observation and mood I see in recent events.
You take a deep breath. This is bad, but... well, you've got a way to solve this situation. While normally, you doubt you would've been able to find a solution to this situation that wasn't a lethal one in regards to all these transformed people, Shuten-dōji isn't the only legendary oni in Fuyuki City right now. 'Medea! Don't ask questions, just teleport Ibaraki over to me right away! Her master too!' You send out a mental command to your Servant, before you look back towards the encroaching horde of Oni making their way towards you. "Everyone, start falling back for a second. I have a plan to solve this which means that no innocent blood shall be spilled." With any luck, with Ibaraki's assistance, these people can properly return to their senses. Though you aren't sure just how much power each of them now have as full blooded Oni. After all, Miho alone was powerful enough to fight both you and Kouma at the same time, then again, the girl may have had some special sort of Oni ancestry enhancing her powers. Still, even if they are only about her level of strength or just below it, that still means that Shuten has practically created an army of hundreds of enemies each as powerful as Servants!You and the rest of your allies briefly start to move away from the encroaching horde. Thankfully, despite their superhuman physical capabilities, the horde of opponents is sloppy and disorganized, none of them are capable of displaying their full strength or speed as a result of their own allies holding them back. A completely disorganized army, no more than a force of destruction and consumption that has their eyes set on the only food in the entire building. Namely, you and Ciel. You doubt that they'd consider Enhance edible thanks to his nature as a Dead Apostle, and Karna just disintegrates should he be slain. Then again, it's not very likely that this force of enemies would even be able to scratch Karna through his divine armor, any damage he might take would be something he'd be able to rapidly heal from.You don't hear any complaints from you allies as you back away towards the doors the you walked into Verde through. "Shinji, this plan better be a good one." Ciel however doesn't sound all too confident in your sudden idea, of course she doesn't know that Ibaraki's Noble Phantasm will allow her to control all these demons that are encroaching towards you. You can understand her lack of faith, if you didn't have any actual plan that would allow you to turn this around in an instant, you would've already been advocating for Karna to start letting loose his arrows. Even against a force with the equivalent strength of hundreds of Servants, they are fundamentally without the Noble Phantasms and Skills in which lie the true power of Servants. Just having a lot of physical power really won't get you very far unless you're a ridiculous monster.
"Just trust me, alright?" Any second now... The oni continue their rampage towards you, and it's genuinely quite funny to see them in such a great struggle to reach you first that they are pulling each other back. An army without any sort of discipline at all, practically nothing more than a superpowered horde of zombies. Though despite having been lost to their power and uncontrollably rampaging, they very much are still alive. You don't know what's going to happen to the three hundred or so people that Shuten has transformed even if you do manage to return them to their senses. Would it be possible for them to try to return to normal lives? Would they go off to live in the wilderness? Or could it be possible to reverse the transformation of a human into an Oni?Finally, just as the Oni are about to enter into a range at which they can attack, a certain lavender haired woman appears alongside a small blonde oni and her black haired master. The encroaching horde stops in their tracks, alarmed at the sudden appearance of the horned girl, who smirks at the hundreds of oni before her. "Well what have we got here? A whole bunch of disobedient rampaging oni?" Ibaraki isn't trying to let it show, but you can tell that she's absolutely ecstatic about this development from just her eyes alone. "Don't you know the rules I set in place for Oni to follow?" There's a long iron staff in her hands. "Mindlessly rampaging through human cities in the daytime is not allowed!" She slams her iron staff against the floor, and despite not even having used her Noble Phantasm yet, the presence of the Oni noble has certainly quelled the horde somewhat. While it certainly won't last forever, that's not going to be a problem. "Fortress of Oni: Ōe! She activates her Noble Phantasm, and the world around you transforms once again to the den of an oni, just like it did in the Tohno Mansion. As the world around you transforms into one where Ibaraki has the authority to control Oni the entire force that Shuten has created drops to one knee, an invisible pressure being forced upon them by Ibaraki's Noble Phantasm. "Good job, Ibaraki! Can I trust you and Miho to keep things under control here?" You ask the girl, who doesn't seem to be having any difficulty at all in controlling things. Against nearly any other Servant without unparalleled offensive abilities, defeating that army would've been practically impossible. Even the likes of Minamoto-no-Raikou and her Four Heavenly Kings likely would've been ripped to shreds by that many Oni before managing to exterminate them all, the difference in numbers would've simply been too great.
"Of course." Ibaraki has a confident smile on her face, and for some bizarre reason, there are tears welling up in her eyes. Probably best you just let her get on with things, despite everything else, it's pretty clear that Ibaraki is very happy to see the rebirth of the Oni race, the girl in life basically had to keep a bunch of suicidal idiots under control with the burden of the fact that should she fail, her race would surely be extinguished in practically every real sense of the term."Good. Medea, take the rest of us to Shuten. I want to put a stop to this, and get my damn Servant back." You give the lavender haired spellcaster another command, though you do give her a small smile after the order. You're happy that she's here, and you're especially happy that she's so damn reliable. Now, Betty might be a tremendously powerful Servant, especially after what you now know about her, but in terms of who you can rely on, Medea is almost certainly always going to top the list."As you wish, Master." Medea raises her staff towards the sky as she begins to call upon the magic required for the spatial relocation spell. "Tροψα!" The spell is used, and the surroundings change once again, to the heart of the shopping center. Completely empty, though the chaos of Shuten's actions is still very cleared. Overturned benches and smashed windows all around you. A one woman riot, and speaking of that woman..."Oh, there you are, Master! I'm glad you could finally make it." Shuten proceeds to huff with annoyance. "I take it you're prepared for the consequences of that?" She starts walking towards you and the rest of your group. Not with the speed at which she is capable, almost as if she's offering the first move to you.>If she's offering the first move to you, then you're not going to pass it up. Have Medea bind her with her magic.>If she's not going to attack first, then it's up to you. Let's see how she deals with breaking out of chains of manifested truth!>Have Karna and Enhance physically restrain the girl. Then have Medea pierce her with Rulebreaker.>She's got incredibly high ranked battle continuation, so what's wrong with roughing her up a little? Tell your allies to liberate Shuten of her limbs.>Write-in...
>>4713589>chains of Truth and a nothin personell rule breaker from behind
Well, recruiting Medea and getting her back are definitely among the best decisions we ever made here. As for Shuten, I think it's best to either chain her with true or delimb her, but I'm not sure which one will be better with getting her to keep working with us in good spirits.
>>4713589She's got incredibly high ranked battle continuation, so what's wrong with roughing her up a little? Tell your allies to liberate Shuten of her limbs.While she's recoiling in pain walk up to her and kiss her. "Naughty girl". Take back your servant.
>>4713591I opted for Truth here as>it's personal, might be more meaningful towards her>it's conceptually absolute>it's out of contact range of Bone Collector>She may have some extra bullshit hiding behind those 2 ???? NPs in her profile that just so happens to emulate Orochi eating gods, the kusanagi, or some other absolute bullshit I'd rather not put Dante and Karna through if it can be avoided
>>4713594Also gotta keep working that Truth muscle so it grows stronk
>>4713589>>4713590Support>>4713594A convincing argument. And she HAS been a good girl, no reason to delimb her. She kept her promise and didn't kill a single human when she could have easily turned this into a slaughterhouse.
>>4713586In her literal very first appearance, Arcueid manages to lose hard to Shiki who stalks her home and cuts her life into pieces.Had this attack not been made with the MEoDP, then she would have immediately gotten up and torn Shiki into 19 pieces.Basically, Arc kind of suffers from being complacent and thinking she's invincible when she's closer to her full strength. She has almost the same sort of deal as Gilgamesh, and this can get her into trouble.
>>4713589>Kindly ask her to restarain herself and put on Truth shibari>After she refuses have Karna and Enhance try to physically restrain the girl and get her attention while mentally command Medea to prepare strongest binding spell she has and wait for opening>Properly restrain Shuten with Chains of Truth afterwards>Rulebreaker time
Calling in 30 minutes.
>>4713598Fair representation of situation I guess.You would think those affection points would make her more invested into showing off by ending fight in one strike by herself. Oh well.At least Gil takes things seriously here.
>>4713590+1>>4713591Medea is straight up the best Servant in the Fifth War; she manages to win in some bad ends which says a lot about her resourcefulness considering all the bullshit going on.
>>4713589>>4713590Support, no more asking others to help us take her back. Its pretty common sense anyway for Dante or Karna to step in if the chains would fail. Let's get this done quickly before our other altered allies endanger and kill more people. By the way I am guessing Ibaraki would want to keep the newly made onis around, I'm fine with it since we're going to expose the magical world to modern society anyway.
>>4713591Her RB and Teleportation makes her so overpowered especially when Nasu consistently ignores stat sheets. It helps that she was connected to the temple leylines which essentially gave her a huge boost in magical energy.
>>4713616Ibaraki would love it, it's her wish come true, and Oni shock troopers would be pretty useful in our wars to come. But our other allies would be absolutely horrified. And think of the example keeping them as slaves would set for our daughters.
>>4713616>>4713626Keep them under our wing with Miho and Ibaraki as their overseers.If no full cure or partial cure is possible just seal their ravenous nature. It is not like we have shortage of knowledgeable magic users. Fuyuki being our fiefdom will make getting them work for Makiri Industries rather easy.It is not like they have any other options.
If she's offering the first attack, then you'll be happy to take her up on the offer! You'll finish this with one strike, capturing her, and then you'll have Medea stab her in the back with Rulebreaker before she can recover! You begin to call upon your unique element, the almighty element of Truth, and visualize it in the form of a chain, something that will launch towards Shuten and utterly restrain her! You've seen that the element of Truth is something almost impossible to break, with only Alítheia ever having managed it! It isn't something that can be broken through strength alone! You turn towards Medea, and give her a quick nod, no exchange of words is required, telepathically or otherwise. The woman understands what you want her to do with this one nod. At the same time though, you hold out a hand in front of the rest of your allies, right now, you don't need their assistance. You don't say anything that might hint Shuten as to your planned attempt to restrain her, and pretend to get into a combat position, though as you get into stance, you allow the manifested chain of Truth to finally spring out towards her like a bullet! It's speed is incredible, and you don't even need to directly hit her! In fact, you're aiming to miss her so that the chain can snake around her and pin her arms to her sides! Though as the chain fires outwards towards her, Shuten has her eyebrow raised, and she snatches the chain out of the air, killing the momentum you had given it in an instant and staring at it with a curious expression. You freeze, she... caught it?She clenches her hand around one of the chain's links, and smirks. "An unbreakable chain, Master? Did you... really think I was going to let it be that easy for you? You can tie me up as much as you want if you can beat me, but I'm not in the mood for that sort of foreplay right now." Her grin grows wider, and you're still grasping the chain in surprise. You aren't done yet though! You're still holding the chain, so that means you're still in control of it! You begin to take control of it once again, this time having it grow from the end instead of from the base! Shuten may think that she's stopped your attack by grabbing it, but she's actually only managed to lull herself into a-
As you work on binding her once again, Shuten simply yanks the chain forwards hard, and you, who are still holding firmly onto it as a result of your own magic, are dragged directly towards the girl with incredible force! "Master?!" Medea's panicked voice can be heard from behind you as you fly directly into Shuten's open arms. You're bigger than the girl, so you realistically should've totally knocked her over from impacting against her, but of course, despite her diminutive size, Shuten is far stronger than should be possible. You can tell that even here she held back from using her full strength to yank the chain towards herself, otherwise you probably would've had your wrists broken and been killed by the impact. Still, the complete loss of focus means that the chain dissolves shortly after you slam into the girl.Moments after smashing into the girl, you find yourself being suspended in the air from a single point as the smaller woman picks you using your shirt to grip onto you. "Oh dear, it looks like you've fallen right into the arms of your rebellious Servant, now, what should the dreadful oni do with her foolish Master?" She whispers with a voice quiet enough that it is only meant for you. Shuten runs her tongue along her sharp teeth as she waits for you to respond, and your allies behind you are clearly paralyzed with indecision as to what they ought to do next. If they were to act carelessly, you'd certainly die in the crossfire!>Ask for her to let you go. This wasn't fair! She wasn't supposed to avoid being captured!>Ask to share a kiss with her. Hopefully, your allies use that as an opportunity to free you while she's distracted.>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.>Ask to share a kiss with her, but also mentally command Medea to be ready to teleport behind the girl while you keep her distracted!>Write-in...
>>4713642>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.Kissing still isn't an option. Plus, this has parallels to the first time we met her.
>>4713642Ask to share a kiss with her, but also mentally command Medea to be ready to teleport behind the girl while you keep her distracted!
>>4713642>Ask to share a kiss with her, but also mentally command Medea to be ready to teleport behind the girl while you keep her distracted!
>>4713642I'm just sitting here thinking that Monica was right at this rate we're gonna die via harem of overpowered girls that we just string along we need to pick a girl and stick with her, preferably Medea cause we already made her a mother
>>4713642>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.
>>4713642>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.>>4713641Getting them not to rampage is pretty much already done. The problem is with transforming a bunch of innocent people into mindless monsters in the first place.>>4713649Sakura is also Alitheia's mother, anon.
>>4713649Who exactly did we string along aside from sacchin? Most of them decided on their own that they want us without us flirting with them.
>>4713642>>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.This is probably something that we shouldn't rely on allies for.
>>4713642>Ask Shirou to jump before BerserkerKidding.>Ask to share a kiss with her, but also mentally command Medea to be ready to teleport behind the girl while you keep her distracted!Remember how Medea reacted to kissing and commented how it was intoxicating even for her? It should be enough to distract Shuten for the time Medea will need to use Rulebreaker.
>>4713649The kid doesn't have exclusivity either. Looking back, our only chance at monogamy was picking someone before the war.We've had no time to sort out anything romantically, but everything that's happened has made the girls more invested in us.
You know guys, this may be where we discover Manaka fully incarnated Shuten and has no connection with her.
>>4713698If that's the case, then fuck this whole situation.>>4713642>Try to use your control over Truth to sever the connection the oni has with Manaka, use flirting as a cover.If this doesn't work, then just go all in and doujin-style french-kiss Shuten
I'm still waiting for Chekhov's meteorite to come in clutch.
>>4713642Stop trying to backstab her holy shit. She is giving us again and again chances to prove that we still care for her and has yet to be agressive at all with us.>Ask to share a kiss with her, tell her you are glad to see her again and if she wants to come back with you.>>"Ibaraki is also waiting for you."
"I must've told you this before, but I've got to say, Shuten, whenever I see your face, I'm startled by how beautiful it is." Frantically, you decide that the best way to survive this situation would be to flirt with the girl who may kill you at any moment. "Your eyes are like amethysts, sparkling incandescently." You reach out a hand to caress the side of Shuten's face, clearly, she wasn't expecting you to once again be so daring. You move some of the hair out of her eyes as you silently begin the countdown into which you'll be able to manipulate the truth of her body. Certain things are of course more difficult to mess with than others, and would require tremendous amounts of magical energy to change, but to do something like remove the contract between a Servant and a Master, well, you've manipulated the contracts between Servants and Masters before and strengthened them, so by the same logic, you should be able to weaken and break them."Oh Master, ever the daring one, aren't you? Even in the face of death, you know just the words to say..." It's been five seconds now, five more are all you need! Shuten is none the wiser to what you're planning either! She raises her other hand to caress the side of your own face, careful not to cut you with her demonically sharp nails. If Shuten wanted to, she could use just her nails to slice through you like an exceptionally sharp pair of scissors through paper. "How could I remain silent when presented with your beauty, Shuten? It would be a crime to keep my mouth shut about such things." Ten seconds. Your connection to Shuten-dōji has been established, your mind begins to visualize every aspect of her being and without any hesitation, you try to find the connection she shares with her Master. Where is it, where is it?! Your brain is working on overdrive as you have your magical energy spread throughout Shuten, trying to find the connection she shares with the girl with control of the grail. It's not where you would've thought it would be, so... where?! Finally, you find something strange in the visualization of Shuten's body, it's not a chain binding two people together, but instead, what seems to be a sheet of paper, written on in fine cursive. Time on the outside should be flowing far slower right now, as you are operating solely on the speed of thought as you delve through Shuten's existence with the assistance of truth. Of course, while you could likely alter anything about her right now, so long as you have the magical energy, all you want to do right now is sever whatever might be binding Shuten-dōji to Manaka Sajyou.
You move your visualization closer to the sheet of paper, curious as to why it is so different to the other bonds you have seen between Servants and Masters. Could Manaka have done this on purpose? Is this more like a written contract between than the unspoken contract shared between a Servant and a Master? You ponder over just what sort of relevance this sheet of paper may hold. You may be operating on the speed of thought right now, but on the outside world, it's only a matter of time before Shuten pulls your hand away and severs your connection to her!>Tear up the sheet of paper.>Read it first.>Write something on it (What?)>Grab hold of it and try to take it?>Write-in...
>>4713734>Read it first.Let's not do anything drastic before we know more.Hopefully it's not "I prepared explosive runes this morning"
>>4713734>Read it first.Fine cursive? Not the sort of way Shuten would write, is it? Once we're absolutely sure Shuten is free of any Manaka influence or control or whatever, we should just kiss her as deeply and passionately as we can, exactly like the many Shuten doujins out there. She deserves it for putting up with all this bullshit and still being good.
>>4713734>Read it first.Even if we miss this chance to free Shuten, it's incredibly valuable Intel on how Manaka's controls work.That is, unless it's just the entire navy seals copypasta...
>>4713734>>Write something on it (What?)>Draw Elder SignHow do you like those stolen Outer God powers, Manaka?
>>4713757Star or tree, anon?
>>4713762I like Tree one more.But using Derleth`s version is not a deal breaker for me.
Getting groceries, Calling in 40.
>>4713734>Read it first.
Although we can also try to make Foreigner Shuten and instead of sealing/banishing Manaka`s stolen powers through contract connection outright burn Manaka`s brain.
>>4713734>Write somethingAll terms of the contract can be amended and the contract can be waived at sole discretion of Shuten-doji
>>4713734>>Read it first.
>>4713809That's how we get Foreigner Shuten with Insanity and a laughing Manaka.
>>4713815They can't defy Azathoth or Nyarly.
>>4713816Neither of them can touch Manaka. That's why Nyarly's helping us.
>>4713818Because they can`t enter the world on their own without destroying it. And entering means fighting rest of the world.Yellow Sign would probably be one of those big derail things but do keep in mind that sleeping Betty in her weak Servant container and without any understanding of her powers is still untouchable for Manaka. Hastur using Truth, Shuten`s power and his own would send quite a mind rape to the other side of contract. But yeah Elder Sign is much wiser choice. Even if Nyarly mentioned that others are friendly and wants to meet us too.
>>4713828Yellow sign makes everyone around go insane, except for those already touched by the beyond. If you think the Elder Sign will work on Manaka, then consequently she will not go (any more) insane by the Yellow.I wouldn't object to meeting one on one if it ever comes up, we're among the very, very few beings who could take it, but holding that meeting suddenly inside Shuten doesn't strike me as a good idea.
>>4713833Fair. She is insane and could have already matched Hastur, at least on her home turf, so trying to shatter her mind might not work.But if we get to do something with contract after next update I`ll still try voting for Elder Sign.
>Mahoyo>The peak of the Traditional Visual Novel genre.How modest of them.Also sub-heroinesSatsuki is doomed.The horrors won't end.
>>4713856oh you finally saw that too huh? I'm starting to think Sacchin is never getting her route now
>>4713856To be honest, that's how I've always viewed them as well.
>>4713856At least Far Side is being acknowledged, but in a very shitty hand wavey way and demoting the maid twins. Nasu and Takueichi are definitely making Far Side bloated paid DLC. The absolute state of nu-Tsukihime, fuck. Imagine if they ever made Fate Stay Night with only Saber Route and Half of UBW route and then dlcing the second half of UBW and HF. Disgusting. Sacchin route is dead, whatever was developed of it would be split off into the bloated parts of the remade routes I just know it.
>>4713734>Read it first
>>4713885Maybe sacchin route will be added to the ps5 port so people will have another incetive to buy again it seems to be a much smarter choice than releasing it as dlc .
>>4713898I find your optimism deeply amusing.
>>4713898So like Persona 5 Royal where they added a few hours of Kasumi's story line? I don't know if Tsukihime would have that kind of clout to justify making people buy it twice. I really doubt Nasu would make another DLC after Far Side because he's become a hack but who knows?
>>4713898>>4713902>>4713903Just slap it with code for a strong FGO demi-servant inside Satsuki`s body.
>>4713903>I don't know if Tsukihime would have that kind of clout to justify making people buy it twice. At this point I don't know if it has the clout to justify people buying it once.It's not going to appeal to the FGO players (unless they go all the way and make Shiki into Camera-kun 2.0) and it's not going to appeal to long time fans either.
>>4713903desu, the OG Tsukihime only sold Near Side first then sold Far Side like 4 months later, if Nasu doesn't sell it within 4 months, she's a fucking hack
Re-reading actual myth, Raikou's 4 kings actually all held down Shuten's limbs before she was beheaded.IIRC though Fate heavily implies Kintoki was actually the one to end her though, so I'm not sure if it would have helped anyway as Raita's interpretation differs so much from the myth.
>>4713979while we're on the topic, i don't think Cu actual fused with another heroic spirit, i think Manaka simply amped him up. if Cu was summoned as a Lancer in Ireland, he'd be unstoppable, according to the wiki>In Ireland, Lancer would also have access to a rare castle Noble Phantasm, a chariot, and a "Blessing of Wakefulness."
>>4713986How do you explain the crow then?
>>4713988I believe ravens and crows play a big deal in Irish mythology
>>4713995Yeah, but Cu himself doesn't have any relation with them that I could find.
>>4713979But in another version the gods assisting Raikou's party chain Shuten's limbs to pillars so idk>>4713986>>4713988Fate/ has drawn so many parallels between Cu and Odin, Gungir and Gae Bolg and compared constantly and Caster Cu also has a currently unused NP where he essentially channels Odin, Ochd Deug Odin. He also has amped up Divinity which could indicate it.>>4713999Crows are Odin's familiars, but also they're the animal that was with him at the end of his life.>Cú Chulainn ties himself to a standing stone to die on his feet, facing his enemies. This stone is traditionally identified as Clochafarmore, located near Dundalk. Due to his ferocity even when so near death, it is only when a raven lands on his shoulder that his enemies believe he is dead. Lugaid approaches and cuts off his head, but as he does so the "hero-light" burns around Cú Chulainn and his sword falls from his hand and cuts Lugaid's hand off. The light disappears only after his right hand, his sword arm, is cut from his body.
>>4714000Yeah, that's why I think he's been possessed by Odin. If it turns out it's just him powered up, then Manaka did us a huge favor. He can be reasoned with.
>>4714002knowing what contract Shuten has on her gives us a hint on how to deal with everyone else, it seems kinda weird that Shuten is completely in control of herself but everyone else kinda isn't
>>4714004Yeah, exactly. I have a theory, but I'm waiting to read the contract before I post it.
You grasp the piece of paper in your... visualized hands. Kind of strange, but whatever. You scan your vision across the sheet and begin to read it. 'You, Shuten-dōji, shall follow the commands and orders that are given to you by Manaka Sajyou without question. In regards to Shinji Makiri, you may maim him as much as you wish, but do not kill him. You shall not attempt to have this contract removed, and should you realize that somebody is trying to tamper with this contract, you are to respond with lethal force. You are to serve as a distraction to Shinji Makiri, to draw his attention from other matters that I do not wish for him to interfere with. You are permitted to act freely, so long as your actions do not benefit or aid those who I have deigned my enemies. These enemies are Shinji Makiri, Merlin, Alan Y.T. Thor-' You suddenly feel yourself being rapidly dragged away from the contract, and you blink. Once again you are staring at Shuten-dōji, who is frowning, the hand that was previously making contact with her face has been removed by force. Damn it! You hadn't finished reading! This contract she has on her is way worse than a normal Servant-Master contract! It's basically the same as Shuten being placed under the effects of a command spell with unlimited uses!"Master... You really blew your chance." She's clearly very upset, and without anymore words, tosses you over her shoulder and through a glass shop window, which lacerates your back pretty badly, not to mention the huge shard of glass that cleanly cuts all of the fingers on your right hand off. You suppress a scream of pain. You've had worse. "Guess we'll have to do this the hard way, I hope that you're as strong as you look, Second Archer." The horned girl smiles as you look up. Before she suddenly leaps towards Karna with incredible speed and swings a clawed hand at his head, looking to take his head off in one strike!
It's all that Archer can do to raise his bow to block her strike, and even with the miraculous damage reduction granted to him through Kavacha and Kundala, he's still noticeably forced backwards. Though he doesn't allow the overwhelming strength of his opponent to hinder him for long, and before he's even finished being pushed backwards by the force of Shuten's strike, he makes his counter-attack, pulling an arrow from a quiver and using it like a small stabbing weapon, though his melee attack doesn't strike true, and Shuten dives around his attack, even if it was still quite skilled. Karna is an Archer, and has no place fighting Shuten-dōji in close range. While he's certainly skilled enough for it, the lack of any sort of melee weaponry on his part isn't going to do him many favors against Shuten, who has manifested her sword, looking to counter Karna's own failed counterattack, only for a black sword to intercept her strike and knock it off course, the sword seems to leave a trail of darkness after having been swung. Karna goes back to stand at Ciel's side, who is watching the battle between the vampire and the oni with great concern."Now this is what I'm talking about!" Enhance happily enters the melee with Shuten, and despite Shuten's clear strength advantage, the two appear to be at least somewhat equally matched when it comes to skill. Enhance's demonic sword is clearly the thing allowing him to go blow for blow with Shuten, it seems to strike with more force than it is swung with, charged up with malice and hatred. It's a weapon on the level of a Noble Phantasm that much is clear, it's like he's swinging around the embodiment of malice and hatred itself, leaving behind curses in it's wake so great that they can fundamentally break down anything that touches them with their malevolent energy. "Come on, little demon! Let's see just what you've got!" Enhance raises his gun, the Holy Burial Artillery Scripture, and fires it at Shuten at almost point blank range! Shuten leaps away from the attack, a few of the holy bullets piercing her despite her rapid retreat from the attack. The holy attack seems to have had added power on the oni as a result of her demonic nature. But despite the smoking holes on her left leg, she doesn't seem at all hindered, and they begin to regenerate despite having been caused something with a holy nature! "Little demon?" Shuten suppresses a bout of laughter as she looks at the vampire. "Still, you aren't a human, and you aren't affected by my Intoxicating Aroma, so you must be..." Shuten springs back at Enhance with speed that not even he can react to, and uses her blade to almost cleanly decapitate the man, the only thing stopping her from going all the way is him quickly raising his sword and forcing her and her sword back.
Enhance remains standing, unhindered by almost having been partially decapitated, and Shuten's eyes narrow. "...A vampire." Enhance has a dumb smirk on his face as the damage begins to be reversed by the natural ability of all Dead Apostles to heal wounds by reversing time itself on their own bodies. Against people like Enhance and other Dead Apostles, the only way to truly rid yourself of them is to either kill them instantly, strike with holy attacks, or have some way to deal unhealable wounds. "You're quite powerful, I must say." Shuten seems to congratulate her opponent on his strength."You got that right, and I gotta say, you're pretty tough too, little demon." The damage that Shuten's strike had caused to Enhance has already healed, the regenerative abilities of Dead Apostles are just completely broken. At least with a Servant, if you cut their arm off or decapitate them, they're probably going to die. With Dead Apostles, they are by default only really killable with a few specific methods. Your own ability to heal from wounds is unfortunately slower than that of a Dead Apostles, however, it could be called more complete.Karna is keeping his distance for now. Seemingly not wanting to interfere with a one-on-one duel between the Oni and the Vampire. The damn overly honorable fool. Then again, he can probably see through Shuten, and that despite everything she's doing, she's actually probably doing all that she can to rebel against the terms of her contract. You didn't get to read all of it, but it's pretty clear that she's basically been asking you to remove it multiple times, though without actually directly asking. You don't know why you decided you needed to read it before tearing it up, though you suppose you know some more about Manaka's MO now.You find yourself being lifted to your feet by a soft pair of hands, and the pain that you can feel from your missing fingers disappears as Medea chants some sort of spell. The woman must've prioritized your own safety over the state of the fight. "Master, what should we do next? Assassin seems to be content to keep rebelling against you, should I just blow her away?">"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great.">"Do you think that you could blast off a limb or two? I'll feel bad, but at least we can heal her.">"No Medea, just... prepare to teleport behind her with Rulebreaker, I've got a plan." (Write-in plan)>"Hold on just a second, Medea. Karna! What the hell are you doing?! Shoot her! She'll live!">Write-in...
>>4714040>>"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great.">>Write-in..."Karna, do you have anything that isn't concentrated sun that you can use?"
>>4714040>>"No Medea, just... prepare to teleport behind her with Rulebreaker, I've got a plan." (Write-in plan)>>Chains of Truth as she's distracted from the fight>>No matter what happens to us, even if Shuten grabs us and is using us as a hostage, Medea is to use Rule Breaker on ShutenIf she gets caught then that'll be enough to Rule Breaker, if she tries to yank it again and grabs us then she'll be distracted long enough to not notice that Medea Rule Breaker'd her. Shuten isn't allowed to kill us at all and nothing she can do to us is permanent, so we should take advantage of it
>>4714040>"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great.">Use another chain of Truth in combination with Medea's spell.Better double up on the restraints.
>>4714040>"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great.">Shoot binded Shuten with Truth Blast imbued with Countermagic to burn away ContractNot sure if we can do it without Magical Girl boost though.
so i assume all contracts are more or less the same, no one is allowed to kill us and they serve as a distraction, some of the more prideful and loyal people like Monica probably have contracts that overwrite their personality and force them to run wild.
>>4714040>"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great."
>>4714040>>"No Medea, just... prepare to teleport behind her with Rulebreaker, I've got a plan." (Write-in plan)>With Truth make a knife of Paralysis, enhance yourself with Precision, throw it at Shuten.
That could have gone better, but at least we got some valuable information out of that we realistically couldn't get otherwise. We now know Manaka has complete control over them if she wants, despite this she gave Shuten and probably the others autonomy, she doesn't want us dead, she knows Merlin is here, and she's doing this as a distraction. Either she's the one shielding Bazett, who's the instrument of her real play, or even her is a distraction and we have no idea what she might be really up to.As for Shuten, after what I read on the wiki and what she did up till we recruited her, I admit I am surprised she's been playing so nicely with us.
>>4714066>some valuable information out of that we realistically couldn't get otherwise>Merlin, Alan Y.T. Thor-This, she has some plans going on right now and she failed to mention Orochi and Gil.I hope she gets wormed.
>>4714074>and she failed to mention Orochi and Gil.We didn't read the entire contract, it's possible Orochi and Gil were the names right after Alan. Or she might indeed not consider them enemies.
>>4714074Orochi and Gil are likely on the list but it was cut off before we could read them off
>>4714057>>4714040She has no magic resistance so a binding spell from Medea will have a great effect on her. Plus with our truth chains she will be fully restrained.
>>4714075she 100% considers Gilgamesh her enemy, she sealed off one of his NPs and Gil wants her dead
>>4714080>Support If that was not obvious, sorry I was typing while half asleep again. Afternoon naps are too good to give up though.
>>4714080I would agree with the vote but the contract states that she can't allow anyone to break the contract. she might unleash her NP if we go for Rule Breaker afterwards
>>4714088Well we have to restrain her somehow before touching her agin don't we, the vote never said we had to rule break.
>>4714075>>4714076Orochi was a big surprise which happened just and hour or even less ago and he is gearing for Grail right now.It will be suprising if she is fully aware about full scope of danger he currently is.I would probably vote to contact Alaya at this point and ask her to form Anti-Manaka-Orochi alliance with Outer Gods if we get a chance to do so.
>>4714095Contacting Alaya might lead her to nuking Fuyuki with Counter-Guardians. She trusts us, and until further notice she gave us full discretion on how to handle this. For all intents and purposes we are already in an Anti-Manaka-Orochi alliance with the Outer Gods.
>>4714092I think using ourselves as a human shield is more optimal, if she's restrained, she might go all out and use an NP, if she thinks she caught us again, she might rip an arm off but she literally can't kill us
>>4714100You think there is no way Alaya would give us temporal Beast contract?
fucking hate the dickwizard, you just KNOW that the shithead is waiting for the perfect moment to play hero
>>4714108QM implied that if we remained tranny Shinji, Merlin would have fell in love with us and joined us willingly and shit. Merlin is probably just pissed that he didn't get kissy time with Trans Shinji, that pervert.
>>4714105Shuten was fast enough to almost decapitate Dante. Medea might not be fast enough for a backstab without restraints, even with us serving as a distraction.>>4714107No, I think it'd be a permanent position. We don't want to end up like Redman, do we?>>4714108That's why we got the Spear anon. If he's too much of a dick, he will get a new hole.
>>4714113>We don't want to end up like Redman, do we?No. But Alaya mentioned this is super special timeline and Beast position only requires us to work on a total doomsday scenario so I don`t think it is Dead End bad like Vampire Shini was.
>>4714113>Shuten was fast enough to almost decapitate Dante. Medea might not be fast enough for a backstab without restraints, even with us serving as a distraction.Actually Medea and Shuten are even in Agility after dragon daughter gave Medea her blessing, in fact, Medea likely edges out because of her teleportation
>>4714057>>4714065Supporting both of these. If we can find a way to combine them then this could work very well. Shuten has no resistance to magic so say a binding spell would be very effective on her. Then if we can paralyze her even if it doesn’t last long, we could use rulebreaker and break that contract of hers....presuming of course that there won’t be an immediate consequence to said action. This IS Manaka we are talking about, just because she wants us alive does not mean that she wouldn’t have thought we would try to do something like this. Breaking the contract is risky because we don’t know what will happen afterwards. It could be something fucking awful and barely avoidable or it could be literally nothing. Again this is Manaka we are talking about, theres probably something more to it.
>>4714108Well I mean. It’s Merlin so it wouldn’t really be surprising if he was going to come out and say “all according to keikaku (plan)” and then solve this with some bullshit magic he prepared that makes our efforts practically worthless
>>4714131that motherfucker better help us out with our allies i swear to God, Sakura's team is still an our away from us and if it weren't for that, everything would be going smoothly
>>4714118It's probably not Dead End bad, but it's still pretty bad. And not being a Dead End actually makes it worse as we can't undo it.>>4714119I'm pretty sure the B on her character sheet has the blessing baked in. But it is at least plausible to bridge such a small gap with distraction + nothing personel.
>>4714134why not using binding + nothing personal instead of just the binding
>>4714142Because if Medea is readying a teleport then she's not casting a binding, and I think Shuten will be able to dodge or grab the chain again. I assume we'll get a new choice after she's restrained.
>>4714151If she grabs the chain then that'll work out extremely favorably for us, again, she can't kill us, if she grabs us then Medea has her opening
>>4714157Yeah, I'm not saying it definitely won't work. I think both have a chance of succeeding, I'd just put it as 60/40 in favor of the double restraints.
>>4714186>>4712953 Is me
It's now clear that Shuten was able to be lenient with us due to a vaguely defined objective and our other allies have also been implanted with a goal to achieve. Knowing this, we can make guesses on what Manaka ordered our friends to do based on their behavior. For example, Monica is en route to her objective and Cu has yet to be activated.
>>4714196Or they're all under the same vague "cause trouble" objective, and are acting on their own impulses. Still, Shuten proved appealing to them is not impossible. We just have to be careful not to trigger the contract's failsafes. For example, telling Shuten to come over so we could erase Manaka's hold over her made sure she couldn't do it even if she wanted to.
Shuten may have some help, done a bit more digging on her myth and..>There are also four other underlings dubbed Shuten-dōji's "Four Divine Kings": Hoshikuma-dōji, Kuma-dōji, Torakuma-dōji, and Kane-dōji.>Their names, together with their meanings were: Hoshikuma-dōji (Star-Bear Demon), Kuma-dōji (Bear Demon), Torakuma-dōji (Tiger-Bear Demon), and Kane-dōji (Iron Demon).
>>4714206I think it was just Shuten who was a distraction, she was just fucking around causing chaos while the rest seemed to be going somewhere or waiting for something.
>>4714225oh fuck what if one of them is gonna shoot down the helicopter
>>4714040"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great."
>>4714225Tesla's going somewhere and Cu is waiting for something, but Gorgon just did the same thing as Shuten only in a different location and with more lethal results. I don't think we know enough yet to tell either way, but I'm erring towards all of them being distractions.I'd say the only one with a relatively high probability of being Manaka's real play is Bazett, the only one we couldn't scry and be distracted by. It's either her, or something different entirely.>>4714235It's possible that's what Cu is waiting for on that roof. But they have been warned that's exactly why we left everyone there. Not to mention we have almost an hour to take him down. They'll be fine, we'll just need to remember to periodically check up on them when we have the chance.
>>4714254Gorgon might have an objective she needs to wait for too, which could be why she's locked herself away.
>>4714263Gorgon seems to be in control of herself enough to lock herself in a prison, she's actually hurting so i assume she was just made to run wild
Reminder to have Morgan and Tamamo start working on a magical heat map of the city after Shuten is dealt with so we have a better way to track larger mana signatures like the Orochi indirectly without using familiars or scrying that might alert it to our presence. Big black spots indicate something is fucking with us.
>>4714314that's actually pretty clever
>>4714314That might be a good way to track Baz.There's traces of magical energy everywhere, so if there's a human sized void moving around then we know that's someone with antiscrying.
>>4714314Agreed. A map of magical signatures will be useful not just for Orochi but for all the bullshit going on at the moment. It'll help us react to changing circumstances as well, without having to scry on everyone all the time.And there is one thing we need to ask Shuten when she's back with us: Can Manaka give them orders remotely? She's not entirely blind on what's going on outside, but she can't know everything either. Can she micromanage them in real time, or is a repeat of abduction by Mordred completely impossible?
Man, some of the early moments of this quest are hilarious in retrospect.
>>4714332Still want to romance Monica
>>4714332Monica must have had some bad experiences with womanizers if she's giving us that advice at 10 yrs old.
>>4714332>If Nasu wasn't just lying the entire time about the Tsukhime Remake
>>4714342she's like 30, unwed and proven right, she could sense it
>>4714349Yes, we really should have listened. We're getting a scolding for sure.
>>4714332It's even funnier when you realize Sakura was already completely fixated on us at that point. We had that whole meeting with Shirou where Sakura didn't even notice him until we asked her to say hello.
"No Medea, but if you could use a binding spell to trap her in place for some time, that would be great." You don't really want to hurt Shuten when she's been doing her absolute best to under the circumstances she's found herself in. While she could've properly maimed you and torn one of your arms or legs off when you were caught by her, she instead chose to just toss you through a window, and while it did of course hurt you quite a bit, it wasn't anywhere near as serious as Shuten could've made it. "I'll use another one of my chains in order to support you, and this time, it's not going to fail." You're going to eradicate the opportunity for Shuten to avoid your attack this time, you aren't going to have her spend another moment under that contract with Manaka. She is your Servant, not Manaka's, and you're going to show her just what that means!"Understood." Medea points her staff to the sky as she looks at Shuten "Ατλας!". As she says those words, Shuten immediately freezes in place, the atmospheric pressure in the area she was standing on having been altered to such a degree that Shuten and everything around her are quite literally incapable of moving. Enhance, not wanting to attack an opponent that quite literally can't defend herself, decides instead to fall back. After all, this was never a fight to kill Shuten, and the fact that she's been quite easily immobilized by Caster's spell is proof that the battle is over already... Or at least, it should've been.You can already see that Shuten has started to surge her magical energy, and the magical binding that Medea has used on her is already starting to show signs of breaking under the power that Shuten is giving off. You hurry to prepare another chain made out of Truth. Shuten might be able to break out of Medea's binding spell, but she's already shown herself to be quite incapable of breaking truth with her own hands, so that means that all you need to do is get a solid grip on her with the chains and then have two ends tie together! It's obvious that you aren't anywhere close to be powerful enough to hold her back with just your own strength alone, but by joining the two ends of the chain, you make it so that nobody should be capable of escaping. Their own strength would be turned against them! "Medea! Try to keep her contained for as long as you can!""I'm trying, Master! But... She's... too strong!" Medea is flaring with an incredible amount of magical energy as she tries to pour as much as she can into the binding spell, and you can tell that she likely would've lost control over her binding spell already if it weren't for the blessing she was granted by Alítheia. This sort of spell might be effective on Servants, but not on Servants with greater control over their magical energy, like Servants who used to be magi, or...
>>4714352It was just Sakura and Sacchin at first, now its Medea, Arc, Lugh, Tamamo and Ciel. Plus there's a lot of maybes like Mordred, Shuten, Rin, Illya. Touko, Monica and Altrouge>>4714358Tbf, that was when we literally just met Shirou
There's a wave of heat, and a sound of shattering, and Shuten disappears before your very eyes. Her speed exceeding what even you are capable of picking up on. Mana Burst! There's a gasp of surprise to your side, and you can see Shuten standing in front of Caster. She could've killed Caster very easily, but seems to have held off on doing so just at the last moment, still she looks prepared to kill Caster at any moment! You... You're just about ready to use the chains of Truth again, and this time, Shuten is only two meters away! But... if she dodges again, then what?!>Reinforce yourself and leap on Shuten. You'll distract her long enough for Caster to use Rulebreaker on her!>Physically dive on her and try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!>Launch the chain at Shuten and try to encircle her again!>Write-in...
>>4714364Reinforce yourself and leap on Shuten. You'll distract her long enough for Caster to use Rulebreaker on her!Forced hugs
>>4714364>>Reinforce yourself and leap on Shuten. You'll distract her long enough for Caster to use Rulebreaker on her!We order Medea to use Rule Breaker no matter what happens to us, Shuten can't kill us
>>4714364>>Physically dive on her and try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!let's hope
>>4714364>>4714370Yep. Time to end this.
I just thought of something, couldn't Morgan's NP serve as a counter for Orochi? He's 3 beings mashed into one with a chunk of Arc's powers inside him and Moragn's NP is made for separating stuff
No, wait, guys. Shuten is under orders to use lethal force against anyone trying to break her contract. She could have already killed Caster if she wanted to. I can see her putting her claws through Caster's heart in a split second, and WhatIs specifically warned us our allies don't have the benefit of the Dojo.
>>4714395Medea is pretty fast and can teleport, if we keep her distracted and restrained, it works
>>4714364Switching >>4714382 to>Reinforce yourself and leap on Shuten. Physically try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!>Even if it doesn't work, you'll distract her long enough for Caster to use Rulebreaker on her!>>4714403Minor variation, combining the two as an alternative.
Looking forward to seeing how this vote turns out in the morning. I'm too tired to do any more writing tonight.
>>4714421Jack second Assassin confirmed?
>>4714358And in retrospect, it's pretty obvious how Sakura got fixated: That crane game where we kept trying to win her the big prize for two hours was our High Jump. Standing up to the bullies for a stranger was a very Shirou moment. And for both of these things, we were more effective than Shirou ever was in the original timeline. No wonder she couldn't take her eyes off us.>>4714363Indeed. We were doing relatively well before the War, but have completely fucked up in that area since it started. This can only end in tears.>>4714421Goodnight WhatIs! And you absolute madman, I cannot believe how far back you foreshadowed Manaka.
>>4714421>Looking forward to seeing how this vote turns out in the morning
>>4714424Its the lewd onii-chan dreams for me.
>>4714426At least we have time to think of a better idea.
>>4714423we don't need another daughter, we have too many daughters>>4714424>That crane game where we kept trying to win her the big prize for two hours was our High Jump.ok that's actually pretty cool and serves as a neat similarity we have with Shirou, we're as stubborn and hopeless as him when it comes to wanting to save the people around us, to the point that we don't really have any personal goals, our goals are in service to the wants and needs of others. Sakura fell in love with a similar type of guy, she has a type>>4714432got any ideas?
Seeing as WhatIs is going to bed we can plan a bit better.>'You, Shuten-dōji, shall follow the commands and orders that are given to you by Manaka Sajyou without question.Orders are absolute, she MUST follow them.>In regards to Shinji Makiri, you may maim him as much as you wish, but do not kill him. She can't kill Shinji specifically. Anyone else is fair game.>You shall not attempt to have this contract removed, and should you realize that somebody is trying to tamper with this contract, you are to respond with lethal force.Anyone trying to fiddle with the contract is to be met with "Lethal Force". This doesn't specify kill, just the amount of power that would hypothetically be able to kill. Therefore, Shinji has to be the one to remove the contract as if she's put in too much of a pinch no one else has the DO NOT KILL order, and Shuten won't be able to circumnavigate the lethal force loophole regarding Shinji not being allowed to die. Also, she only HAS to use lethal force against those attempting to break the contract. Which leads to a later point.>You are to serve as a distraction to Shinji Makiri, to draw his attention from other matters that I do not wish for him to interfere with.She is going to intentionally drag out this encounter as long as possible to fulfil this.>You are permitted to act freely, so long as your actions do not benefit or aid those who I have deigned my enemies. These enemies are Shinji Makiri, Merlin, Alan Y.T. Thor-' We don't have the full list, but why would she specify Enhance especially, and very unlikely she's also specified Ciel or Karna. This is where we can use our newer allies who have just arrived on scene and likely aren't on the list and personally have no interest in tampering with the contract, only incapacitating her enough so she can't resist a later attempt on the contract.Why don't we fall back and have Dante and Karna rip her apart so she physically can't fight back, then have Shinji alone use Truth to rip up that contract. She had to physically remove him from contact and she needed her limbs to do so. Her battle continuation means she'll be perfectly fine with no limbs and we can heal her after the fact.Her batcon specifications:>Assassin is capable of doing battle even should she lose her head. So long as her body isn't completely pulverized and incapable of moving, Assassin will keep on getting up.Have Dante and Karna remove every single limb and her head, but leave the torso's spiritual core intact and use Truth to cleanse the helpless meat clump of Manaka's influence.
>>4714432>>4714445Gotchu senpai.Also, to ensure Shuten kis continually delaying us by her actions, when we ask to retreat from her here we need to specify we're going to need to try and clean up the Oni mess she left us, so by her actions she has still ensured we are delayed. Maybe give her a wink but she can't be aware we're specifically coming back to break the contract without triggering another assault.
>>4714445Yeah, we managed to outShirou Shirou both in her eyes and in general. Quite an accomplishment.>got any ideas?I don't. But Shuten is faster than Medea and could have already killed her if she wanted. Medea is right next to her and doesn't have the benefit of a surprise teleport behind her. Shuten MUST kill anyone other than us tampering with the contract, and she's already had Rule Breaker applied to her once. These all scream "Medea is about to bite it" to me, and that's worse than a dead end.>>4714455Niggerman to the rescue. You're right, we don't have to end this right now. How about we jump at her with the chain, order Medea to retreat and have Dante and Karna pacify her when she swats us off?
>>4714464tbf we had a head start
>>4714455ok so do we dive on her and wrap the chain around her then?
>>4714421so she is taiga's daughter now? cute.
We also have the knowledge that Manaka's defined "enemies" need to be individually listed. We don't know if she can update this contract on the fly, or if servants must return to her for extra commands. If they do we can also lay traps enroute to the temple between the current locations of the servants if she calls them all back to update commands after each confrontation. This control method is very much like how Golems are controlled with their scrolls of commands by the long nose tribe so maybe it's based on that?From that we can also test allies in future. Find out who to bring to future ally encounters due to them not being listed by Manaka. It's likely the list will be updated over time and we may need to rotate the roster to continue circumventing it. The mana heat map will really help this as we can see if they do start converging back on the temple after someone is dealt with or a new ally hits the scene. This means Waver's whole party will be useful as they're currently under the radar to Manaka.>>4714473For this update I'd write in something along the lines of "Order Medea to fall back, with a CS if needed for speed depending on Shuten's actions here to make sure Medea doesn't die, tell Shuten you'll need to make a retreat as you just have to ensure all those Oni aren't going to rampage around, winking at Shuten. Have Medea telepathically send a message to Ciel about having to lop off every limb together with Karna and Enhance, but ensuring her torso's spiritual core isn't damaged. Ideally we'd want someone holding her head, and Karna to have burned away all 4 of her limbs while someone else pins down the torso before we make our return to purify her with Truth and also get a full read of that contract if we can before destroying it."DO NOT order Medea to RB here or Shuten will be forced to kill her.
>>4714486My only problem with this plan is that Shuten doesn't deserve it, but yeah I can't see anything else working right now. We'd better give her a treat when this is over, she deserves it. (And hug Medea, she deserves it too)
>>4714491We can heal her easy enough, Shuten has never been one to shy away from pain. It's just another sensation to experience for her.
>>4714496And here's where not playing F:GO comes as a drawback. If she doesn't mind, then yeah, by all means let's let our allies do the thing we brought them here for.
>>4714370>>4714364>>Physically dive on her and try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!Changing to this, it says nothing about Rule Breaker so lets see
>>4714364>Order Medea to fall back, with a CS if needed for speed depending on Shuten's actions here to make sure Medea doesn't die. >Tell Shuten you'll need to make a retreat as you just have to ensure all those Oni aren't going to rampage around, winking at Shuten. >Have Medea telepathically send a message to Ciel about having to lop off every limb together with Karna and Enhance, but ensuring her torso's spiritual core isn't damaged. Ideally we'd want someone holding her head, and Karna to have burned away all 4 of her limbs while someone else pins down the torso before we make our return to purify her with Truth and also get a full read of that contract if we can before destroying it.
>>4714501>>4714491Doing that wont do more than just mildly annoy her.so yeah, cut away
>>4714364Switching >>4714408 to support >>4714504Sorry for the double switch WhatIs, my other post is too old to delete.
>>4714503She's been Rule Breakered before, she knows exactly what it does and will be forced by her contract to kill Medea then and there. We've tried restraining her twice now and WhatIs has clearly shown she's too stronk to pin down using both Medea's magic and Truth chains, as we have nothing to anchor the chains to and she just yeets us across the room with them.
Incidentally, the "Must respond with lethal force" bit means we can't rely on Medea to Rule Break anyone. She's far too fragile against these monsters. It's up to us and Redman until Shirou gets here.
>>4714364>Physically dive on her and try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!Kinda want to see if magical boy Shinji could make this plan better but we don't have time.
>>4714522Morgan can hopefully give her Shuten's Battle Continuation after this just so one of our squishiest allies doesn't explode. Batcon at Shuten's level + Truth healing means as long as we escape the encounter there's no such thing as a properly fatal blow. Against all but Orochi she could just teleport out and wait for healing.
>>4714509i don't want to use a CS and this at least stalls so Medea gets out of the way
>>4714522actually no, we can use Rule Breaker for other opponents, I believe Shuten is the only person among our altered allies who saw Rule Breaker I think, but we likely have one shot only
So do you guys want to split up the teams again? and if you do, how do you want them split up?
Really this comes down to whether or not we can slow down Shuten enough for Medea to land a single attack. Shuten has an A in agility, which is superior to Medea's B in a straight contest, and with our reinforcement we have a flat E in all physical parameters. If we wanted to do canon parameter math, B = A-E, which means that we can close the gap in speed with our interference. We win if Medea hits Shuten once so all we need to do is slow her down for a moment. I think it's entirely possible for us to impede her for a significant amount of time considering she has to make a conscious effort to hold back her strength so she doesn't kill us.She can't throw us off impulsively, or thrash in an attempt to shake us off, or even try to pull us off by hand because she'd risk killing us, so I think it's plausible that Medea will be able to get a hit in.
>>4714364>Physically dive on her and try to wrap the chain around her without magically controlling it!
>>4714364>>4714372change to >>4714504
>>4714818Also WhatIs, Karna shouldn't be an absolute wet noodle in melee just because he's an Archer. He doesn't need a weapon to style on people on close quarters.>The Mahabharata describes a prolonged battle between Arjuna and Karna using bows, swords, trees and rocks, and fists.Shinji would have course have no idea unless he'd spent a bit of time digging through the myth though, as Santa Karna is post isekai event.
>>4714826From his mats in FGO>For he was trained by Drona, an expert in all aspects of martial arts, so he is accustomed to fighting with empty hands.In fact, when he recalls the past when he was studying martial arts along with Arjuna and Ashvatthaman, it gives him a fresh sensation that makes his body lighter than it was when he was burdened with the weight of his spear.The maximum speed of the punches he delivers exceeds the speed of light. Those who face it can only see the trails of his fists as a flash of light… maybe.
>>4714832And to wank him just a bit more, because of Uncrowned Martial Arts any encounter where people aren't aware of his identity makes the enemy underestimate him.Probably worth not going around telling people who he is to preserve that boon.
>>4714826Karna still has that martial arts think in his mats right? I'm pretty sure he does at least
>>4714818i like Rin, i'm glad our relationship with her isn't tense anymore, kinda wanna do a mission with her and up the affection meter
>>4714844You're likely talking about>>4714834
Indian mythos martial arts autism ahead:>Kalaripayattu - the combat art specificallyTimeline:>Shiva, supreme god of destruction teaches his dragonball poo fighting style to Parashurama.>Parashurama was the 6th avatar of Vishnu, one the three supreme beings alongside Shiva and Brahma that make up and govern all existence. >Parashurama was one of the great old immortals that predated the heroes and demigods in the Mahabharata where Karna etc features.>He plays important roles in the Mahabharata serving as mentor to Bhishma (chapter 5.178), Drona (chapter 1.121) and Karna (chapter 3.286), teaching weapon arts and helping key warriors in both sides of the war.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KalaripayattuBasically Beerus teaching people how to fight, in DBS, and then someone inherits that from the OG student.TL;DRKarna can punch good
>>4714872welfare foreigner and /fgog/ is seething, neat
>>4714872>>4714876We could use her help right now.
I wish we had a friend who could perfectly counter Shuten.
>>4714876That's nice the last extra class welfare they gave us was mecha eli chan.
>>4714364Changing to >>4714504 from >>4714378
>>4714595Time is against us, we have three immediate targets, and Tesla is a fucking cheater who absorbs all energy that's not purely physical. So I say we split up after we make the magical signature map, have us+physical attackers go after Tesla and have the others go after Bazett (if we can find her) or Cu (if we can't). Getting one of the two will help us appeal to the other.
>Reinforce and leap>>4714367>>4714375>>4714380>>4714382>>4714407>Leap and Bind>>4714371>>4714503>>4714534>>4714721>>4714744>Fall back, Retreat, Remove Limbs>>4714504>>4714508>>4714755>>4714776>>4714921Is this the legendary 3 way tie?>>4714826He's not a wet noodle, but he just doesn't really have any answers to Shuten or a proper melee weapon. Especially not when Shuten can insta-kill him through Kavacha and Kundala by just pulling his skeleton out if she wants.Karna doesn't do well against internal attacks.Also, all the Indian Servants are kind of nerfed by default in Fate because otherwise they'd all crush Types.
Rolled 3 (1d3)>>4714942Looks like I forgot to vote so I will trust dice gods to deliver us victory over dumb oni.
>>4714942Sorry WhatIS, but my double switching from >>4714382 to >>4714408 to >>4714508 caused you to miscount. It's only a double tie.
>>4714953Sakurafag and proud of it.
"Medea! Get back! Now!" You shout loudly at the Caster, who is currently just looking at the oni girl in front of her in stunned silence, your words thankfully seem to return the woman to her senses, and she leaps away from the oni, her cloak fluttering outwards like wings with her magic and sending her flying backwards before Shuten can attack, not like Shuten actually seemed to be planning an attack on the woman anyway. It's irritating having to deal with Shuten like this, but it's not so bad. If Shuten was actually dedicated to actually killing you all here, then she likely already would've used her other Noble Phantasms that she should have. Namely, Bone Collector and the Providential Oni Poison. Of course you can't actually confirm whether or not she has them in the way you remember or not thanks to already having been strengthened when she was summoned. It's actually highly likely that even the ranks of her Noble Phantasms have risen. Still, seeing as she can't actually use the Oni Poison without killing you, you're probably safe from that Noble Phantasm. It would be a nightmare to try to face Shuten in that setting, as a poison that can break even the bodies of Servants down saturates the battlefield. If she had activated that ability, you doubt that you, Enhance or Medea would've been able to survive very long. Hell, even Ciel would soon find herself incapable of action despite her immortality! Her body would reform of course, but Shuten may have just been cunning enough to think of a means to seal her away despite that."Now, Shuten, unfortunately, Caster and I need to make a brief tactical retreat, in order to ensure that all those painfully distracting oni that you made aren't going to start rampaging again." You say to the girl with a smile on your face, and she tilts her head in confusion before you wink at her. A wink that says 'I have a plan, please trust me.' Of course, your plan isn't entirely fleshed out yet, but you're already working on it as you talk. You've unfortunately lost your opportunity to bind Shuten, and you've also managed to lose your opportunity to trick her into letting you cancel out her contract. If it works on her awareness, then it will only be safe for you to cancel it from her. 'Medea, we're going to be walking away slowly, but as we do, I want you to send a telepathic message to Ciel, the Master of Second Archer. Tell her that I want her to have Karna burn away all of Shuten's limbs before my return.' The plan may be a little cruel on Shuten, but she's a Servant with Battle Continuation A+, you're pretty sure that if the Master had a command spell to use, that even decapitation could be something rendered non-fatal to her.
'Is that really necessary, Master? As much as I might personally have a dislike for that girl, it's very clear to me that she's trying to resist against whatever magic is binding her. When she appeared in front of me, it was like I was staring at the face of death itself, yet she did not strike and kill me despite her opportunity.' It seems like Medea has gained a small amount of respect for Shuten, for her continued loyalty towards you despite her current situation. It really does seem like Shuten is doing all that she can to keep her word to you, hell, she didn't even eat a single person! Well, you aren't sure if turning them into rampaging oni is better or worse. At least Ibaraki has things under control on that front, but if you hadn't recruited Miho and her Servant, then things would've been tremendously bad for you here, and you'd have either needed to slaughter three hundred innocent people, tried to somehow restrain them, or have just let them run rampant on Fuyuki, and you obviously weren't just going to allow that to happen. Three hundred ravenous oni tearing through Fuyuki would quickly kills thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people. Honestly, the collateral damage might even end up wiping out the entire city!'I'm well aware, and I don't like it either, but Shuten is tough, something like this might be painful for her, but there are very few Servants who would be able to survive something like this better than her. Trust me.' You hope she isn't going to hold a grudge over having her limbs detached like this. You can always heal her no matter how bad the damage is, but it still makes you feel terrible, having to resort to such an extreme action to get your Servant back.'If it is what you have decided is best, Master, I shall do so.' Medea, despite her initial reluctance to the plan, seems to have accepted it now. It seems that being spared by somebody when they could easily rip you to shreds in the blink of an eye does wonders for your outlook on a person. As you slowly walk away from the scene, you can see Ciel's face light up in surprise as Medea sends a message to her, having whispered one of her divine words under her breath in order to secure a telepathic connection to the girl. Ciel's surprised look suddenly hardens into one of determination. "Enhance, you may want to go with them. They might need some help." Ciel states calmly as she looks at Shuten, clearly wanting to get the vampire out of the room so that Karna isn't so restricted in just what he can do. Not being able to use the majority of his powers out of a worry of his flames harming the vampire due to having a sun attribute has really weakened the otherwise exceptionally powerful Archer. You had originally wanted Enhance to help too, but that's... really probably not a good idea.
"Ah man, and just when things were getting exciting too!" Enhance frowns, but doesn't argue. "You really know how to spoil a man's fun, don't you, Ciel?" Ciel frowns in response to Enhance's rhetorical question, and he's probably also figured out the reason why Ciel doesn't want him sticking around any more, at least not for this fight. His very presence is causing Karna to have to go about his attacks halfheartedly. As you walk back towards the location you remember that Ibaraki and her new oni should be, you start to see the walls begin to slowly change, wandering into the activation zone of Ibaraki's Noble Phantasm. While she likely could've converted the entire building into her fortress, that would've just been a waste of her Master's magical energy, after all, it's not like fully manifesting the Noble Phantasm would serve any sort of real purpose, when you hear the large open space that you just walked out from behind you erupt into noises of explosions and combat, you turn back to see just what is going on. Running to a different set of doors from the ones you left by in order to see Karna and Shuten doing battle with each other from the third floor of the building. The two incredibly powerful Servants giving off explosive amounts of flame and heat as they clash with each other, Karna ramming Shuten with his bow whenever she gets too close and firing at her with arrows when she backs away, drawing and firing arrows from the bow in a blink of an eye, though despite the power in his attacks, Shuten seems to be capable of enduring the attacks! Ciel of course is also providing assistance, though her projectiles, while powerful and on the level of a Servant themselves thanks to the secret technique of the Burial agency: the Iron Plate Effect, they obviously aren't as powerful or fast as those being shot by Karna's bow, but they are still clearly causing Shuten to be distracted as she dodges them, the holy energy contained within them being far more effective on her than Karna's arrows!Eventually, the two Servants come to a pause in the action. "Not bad, Second Archer. However..." The Assassin pulls out a small gourd of liquid that she pours into a small dish. Wait a minute! She's... She's about to use her Noble Phantasm! Are you in the effective range of it from here! You can't remember just what sort of distance that it works from!>Have Medea attack her with her Rain of Light!>Have Medea freeze her in place with another binding spell! Let Karna and Ciel get a good shot off!>Reveal your position! If you do that then Shuten will be forced to put her Noble Phantasm away!>Say nothing, have faith in Karna and Ciel.>Write-in...
>>4714996>Say nothing, have faith in Karna and Ciel.>Create Truth Barrier just in case
>>4714996Reveal your position! If you do that then Shuten will be forced to put her Noble Phantasm away
>>4714996>Have Medea teleport you in front of Shuten. Reinforce yourself and try to grapple with her while Medea takes advantage of the distraction to teleport behind her and use Rule Breaker.She has to cancel her Noble Phantasm when she sees us. This + distraction + surprise should be enough for Medea.
Calling in 30, let's get this battle wrapped up, shall we?
>>4714996Switching from >>4714999 to >>4715010
>>4715010+1Time for Medea to yell RUURU BUREAKA loudly like she always has to
'Medea. Teleport me in front of Shuten as quickly as you can. I'm going to grab her just as she's about to use her Noble Phantasm, she shouldn't be able to use it through the terms of her contract if she's aware I'm in the area. This is it. This is the finale! Shuten will likely be too shocked to properly respond to your appearance, and her attempt to use her Noble Phantasm will be canceled out immediately! Medea says nothing in response, and you take her silence as approval for the plan. It's far less brutal on your part to grapple Shuten rather than rely on Karna to speak the true name of Brahmastra, which would certainly cause Shuten a great deal of damage despite her body's natural hardiness. You can tell that Medea is waiting for the most opportune moment to teleport you, one in which Shuten's guard would be lowered the most!"Fighting you is quite a pain, Second Archer, so let me end this by melting you and your master all at once!" Shuten begins to pour the alcohol, she's really going to do it! She's going to try to melt everyone here! Kavacha and Kundala might provide Karna with resistance to the melting effect of the poison, but it won't be able to protect him from the poison seeping into his body! "Multitude o-""Tροψα!" Medea doesn't hesitate any further, and speaks the word of the spell that changes your position, from standing over the battle and observing it to standing right in front of the rebellious little Assassin."-f Colo- Eh?!" You grapple Shuten just as the first drop of liquid hits the base of the bowl, reinforcing your body as you do, you aren't as powerful as you would be if you were wielding Amethyst's power, but all you need is to distract Shuten. "Master?! What are you..." Shuten doesn't resist nearly as much as she should be capable of as you basically leap at her and wrap your arms around her to try to pin her arms to her sides, you aren't sure if it's out of a remaining sense of loyalty to you or if it's just in her hedonistic nature to not resist something like this as much as she should be capable of.'Now, Medea!' You give your Servant the command as you try to keep Shuten's attention locked entirely on you! You know you have mere moments until Medea appears behind Shuten to try to strike her with Rulebreaker once again! Of course, if you can't keep Shuten's attention solely on you, then that means she'll respond to Medea's attempt to free her from the contract with lethal force! Is this really going to be enough?>Grapple her even harder, reinforce your muscles to the point where they will explode after being released! You'll heal!>Kiss her. That ought to give her something to think about.>Use a command spell to infuse Medea with the speed she'll need to succeed.>Headbutt Shuten. That should keep her distracted!>Write-in...
>>4715094>Kiss her. That ought to give her something to think about.>French kiss>Try to channel Truth through it to overwhelm her senses
>>4715094>>Use a command spell to infuse Medea with the speed she'll need to succeed.Kissing her would sap us of a lot of Mana, I rather sacrifice a command spell so that we have the mana supply to contract with more servants later, third lancer and third archer.
>>4715094>Kiss her. That ought to give her something to think about.She deserves a kiss for being such a good girl, but no reason to get all fancy about it.And damn you WhatIs, you made me like the amoral, mass-murdering Oni.
>>4715094>Kiss her. That ought to give her something to think about.>French kiss>Straight up doujin kiss her right fucking now>Grab her ass with one of your hands too, you can do that while you're grappling can't you?
>>4715094>Kiss her. That ought to give her something to think about.LET'S GO!
>>4715097Shinji Makiri, Master of Foreigner, Weilder of Truth, genius elite, and (s)layer of Oni
Calling in 30.It's a shame that Shuten didn't get to show off half of what she can do now, but ah well.Her heart just wasn't in it.
>>4715140How big of a role bond reinforcement played?
>>4715142Prevented her from being class changed to Berserker.
>>4715143Oh.We are really responsible for Gorgon, aren`t we?
>>4715094>>4715097+1thats silly enough to work
>>4715147We didnt have time to bond with everyone, shit is being throw at us every 10 minutes.
>>4715167I am talking about how we used Truth to strengthen connections between Master and Servant for Illya and Avenger and for us with Medea and Shuten.We failed to do so for Sakura and Rider because we made Sakura magicbane just prior to it and couldn`t do it because of her new nature.
>>4715178Sakura still had the command seal and contract though
>>4715094>>4715097SupportWell likely get killed by our other Waifus or have there jealousy reach the heavens but this isn't the most suicidal thing Shinji has done.
You know it got me thinking, since we are pretty much set for the harem route, it raises a big question: Who'll get Shinji's virginity?
>>4715192whoever goes for it first, first come first serve etc.
>>4715194So Medea taking him away with her spell to have the first taste?
>>4715196I would not put it past her
>>4715198She is an evil witch after all.
>>4715192Medea.>>4715196Medea will teleport away with Shinji and a few hours later, she'll teleport back like nothing happened with Shinji on the ground behind her, unconscious, and Medea ain't gonna say a thing but smile.
>>4715201>and Medea ain't gonna say a thing but smileNot like she can hide it with how much mana she'd have at the moment.
>>4715179Illya noticed the difference right away and it gave us more timeframe to help with Avenger.Going by >>4715143 that trick worked for us as well. So failing to do so for Sakura made presumably made Rider`s situation worse.Not that we could have predicted all of it.>>4715189>Caster shrugs. "I'm not quite sure myself. All I know is the magical energy contained within your body is... well it's far more similar to True Ether than it is to any of the elements that should exist in this era. I imagine it was only thanks to my experience of living within the Age where magical energy similar to your own was so prevalent that I was capable of snapping out of it even with a direct link to more of it." Caster starts saying worrying things, very worrying things. "Though don't mistake what I'm saying here. It might be very similar to the True Ether of ages past, but it's fundamentally not the same thing. Your own magical energy only feels similar to it." Caster tells you something interesting, but also terrifying. If Caster was on