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ASOIAF Reincarnation: Male Powder Fantasy, Thread # 28

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>Biological Age: 15 years old ( Born in 265 AC )
>Chronological Age: 93 years old
>Current monies: More money than most plebs make in a lifetime ( 14095ss worth of coin )
>Current date: 7th month of 280 AC

On the last thread you killed some cultists trying to break into the home of Hallayn, a slave witch in possession of a crime lord you had been working with.

After successfully "procuring" a prisoner for him, he showed you his gratitude. So thankful was he, that he thanked you with money, which you spent on books, new clothes and explosives.

Deciding to flex on your family with your new rich people clothes, (and to tell them you were partaking in the contests during the ceremonies) you made your way back to the bakery owned by your luddite of a father.

Only, it wasn't so simple as you were halted by members of the Kingsguard who thought you were extremely suspicious of you (credit where credit is due).

Apparently Prince Rhaegar Targaryen spent his honeymoon in Lys, funny how you never actually heard of that mentioned before in your past lives. He had decided to give patronage to your father's store for maintaining an unbroken tradition from before the fall.

As a guest of honor in the opening ceremonies of Lyseni elections, he was there to witness you fight in the Pit of Glory.
When you went in alone.
...against 50 Dothraki
...and threw grenades at them

Needless to say, after your victory, besides the accolades and the fight money, people started offering you jobs. You were scouted by the mercenary company known as Aurochs, the former Head Magisters Thaeryx and of course, Prince Rhaegar himself.

Naturally, you have yet to give a positive answer to any of them.

Followed by these events, well... let's see shall we?
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[1/8]

-Niiro / Syrys -
> Weightlifting contest

"Holy shit he's almost at the 1000 pound club! What the fuck has he been eating?"
Niiro exclaims as the young physician on his oiled up body lifts over twice his bodyweight above his head.
"Lost a medal to a coinflip? This is bullshit! Boo! Go choke on a bag of dicks judges!"
"Still made it to top 5 boss. That's worth something."

- Rhaegar's retinue-
> Javelin throw -
"Solid throw, but not championship material."
Ser Gerold states
"Like a hedge knight at the jousting lists, rather unremarkable but good effort."
Ser Arthur replies

- Syrys / Niiro -
> Wrestling
"Runner up again? Come on Arkan I said I was betting on you winning!"
"Pretty impressive he actually made it that far boss, competition is stiff this year."

- Rhaegar's retinue -
> Rope climbing
"Persistent isn't he? He seems to be fairly consistently landing himself to top five if most contests he enters."
Ser Arthur remarks
"Should have paced himself, might have won some of those contests had he not fought the Dothraki. He's bound to succumb to exhaustion soon."
Ser Gerold states


- Irro / Laharra -
> Swimming
"Bakkalon's balls is he still going? He has killed fifty men today and powered through four contests already, making it to top 5 in three of them."
"Look! They're about to start the swimming contest!"
There he stood in his rippling physique half naked along with the other contestants. Pristine, beautiful and radiant with health and vigor."
"Get ready! Set! Go!"
His body exploded into a sprint as he dived headlong into the water with the grace of an hawk swooping down on its prey as he was propelling himself through the water with broad double handed strokes, leaving his competition in his wake as he practically flew through the water.
"That lad is half fish, just look at him go!"
By the first half of the distance crossed, there was only the ever increasing distance as he maintained his speed. Upon reaching the goal, he didn't look any worse for wear.
When they gave him his gold medal, he seemed more distant and unattainable than ever before.
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[2/2] As if

- Rhaegar's Retinue -
> Swimming
"It would seem that I stand corrected."
Ser Gerold stands in applause as the swimming champion is given his gold medal.

> Archery
"Probably burnt himself through on that last one, though I must admit, I probably wouldn't even be standing at that point. The fact that he can even draw a longbow and land a shot at this stage is mighty impressive"

> Endurance running
"Awww, so close for gold too."
Ser Arthur smiles as he claps once the youngster reaches the finish line.
"He is a very dangerous man."
Rhaegar states
"Consider these exercises, he is unhindered by travel on foot whether he comes faced with obstacles of water, sheer cliffs or a a wall, he can not only scale it, but also defeat the defenders of a castle, raise its gates and take a defensive position to launch arrows and javelins."
"I agree, he is much like our Ser Barristan in how dangerous he is alone, save that he might just kill his way through instead of relying on infiltration."
Ser Gerold replies
"Or the smiling knight."
Ser Arthur returns darkly
"Wouldn't mind having a lad like him at my side when we've leave to hunt down that vagabond."
"I will see to convince my father to dispatch you when we can afford it."
Aaand that's us up to speed with the contests, now the question is what sort of scene happens after you got your medals.

> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
> The Aurochs wanted to have a chat with you about mercenary work
> (former) Head Magisters Thaeryx wanted to hire you, so maybe it would make sense to listen to his offer?
> (former High Admiral) Magister Candidate Gaelyx Tannaeleron also wished to employ you
> You received an inquiry from pleasure houses if you would be interested in peddling your puddle
> The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word

> Write-in suggestions for actions are taken
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>>4087347
>Take a waifubait option for once and go dance with Laharra
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>>4087347
> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
Since we have enough dough for a house/workshop setup and time/means to NEET we should get not!penicillin done and maybe look into making the first steps towards flying machines. Maybe develop a canvas cover suitable for both biplanes and zeppelins (and sell the prototype as a hot air balloon for great piles of dough). Niiro can offer us resources and the occasional oddjob as well as at least some protection.
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
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>>4087347
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories

Niiro's a solid lad and has done us no wrong, I feel we should honour him with first meeting. After that, the former High Magister or the candidate to replace him seem like good bets for employment in the City of Lys for the next few years that won't see us dragged hither and dither, preventing us from our projects and much needed training. Assuming they don't demand a damnable oath too.

Also, we can invite Laharra to dance via a messenger and deal with that later: after all we're hardly dressed for the occasion so we'd have to break to get back into our noble attire.
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>>4087397
Firstly, you bet your ass the Magister would also have us run our ass ragged (though likely over far shorter distances than Westeros).

Secondly, we are semi-naked and sweaty. Ready for a dance any day. Bitches be mirin.
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>>4087402
True. I mean admittedly I've little idea what the former or hopeful High Magister wants us for particularly. Part of me presumes they just want our endorsement of their candidacy. Which, I would think, we can happily give in return for certain beneficial arrangements. Lord knows it'd be nice to have a friend high in the Lysian government.
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>>4087347
> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
> The Aurochs wanted to have a chat with you about mercenary work
> The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word

ll these we should take.

We want to see what Gerold wants to say now, grab a girl for a dance, and resolve issue with our adoptive home and the guild of our mortal bloodkin.
The Aurochs just to see what a decent Merc offering is going to be.

I think we can do them all.
Merc band even if we do not take it will give us a good idea of what it is expected and potentially if we stay in Lys a group of hardcore motherfuckers we can embed ourselves in to not get dragged to hard into politics if we have to get hardasses around us.
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
NIRO MY BUDDY! LET'S GO OUT BOWLING!
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>>4087352
this, let's industrialize the weavers/tailors guild
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>>4087457
I mean, we don't need to deal with waifu immediately for that route / plan. For one thing she's smitten as shit and her father is impressed as hell. Plus we're relatively rich now so that is a bonus. Plus we can threaten any other suitor with a duel for her hand and ain't none of them trying that shit.
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>>4087347
>Request to fight ANOTHER 50 DOTHRAKI!
Release the slave pens, we will kill them all. Only through the face of battle shall our skills in combat improve. Steel our will and resolve.
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>>4087347
>> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
Lets try to advertise our skills as a doctor and learned man to him again to get him the remember the name then talk to
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
> The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word
With us being so close (I feel) to penicillin it would be dumb as shit to chase something else.
Stick with one target and finish it then move onto the next.
Other wise its like trying to chase every zebra in the herd instead of just one, you go through quite a lot of effort and get nothing.
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>>4087347
>> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
If we can only pick one I'd go for this first. We don't have to get married but it will nice to socialize with the one woman who was sweet on us before we became famous.

>> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
We should also have a chat with the royal party again before they leave for Westeros. We've just given them plenty of proof that our boasts are far from idle.

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The rest of these option I consider worth pursuing, but if there is a time limit we don't have to do them right away. We are quite famous in the this city now and we could easily get a meeting with any of them.
>> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
>> The Aurochs wanted to have a chat with you about mercenary work
>> (former) Head Magisters Thaeryx wanted to hire you, so maybe it would make sense to listen to his offer?
>> The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word
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>Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
>You decided to invite Laharra to dancing

time for pleasure
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>>4087347
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing

Someone said Industrialisation I fuck with that
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>>4087347
>> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
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>>4087347
> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
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>>4087347
>> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
yeah we have had our ego stroked enough time to get something else stroked
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>>4087347
> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4087347
> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
> Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
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>>4087598
I am not writing an up a six scene update.
While you can vote for multiple options if you're unsure, all that means is I count it as a vote towards both options in the grand total of votes.

Essentially if 6 people vote to go for the Virgin Grand Slam and getting baked with old people, then both options get 6 votes.
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>>4087347
> You decided to invite Laharra to dancing
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> Talk to Ser Gerold
> See the Magister
> See Niirio

Guys ignore the pum pum, we only need another 7 years as a virgin to get that century of virginity for a magical boost.

If we neet Ser Gerold we should tell him about the Westerosi boy that was enslaved in Kings Landing and how we are trying to heal him. Gets us good rep and brings up our penicillin to increase our employment chances.
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>>4088715
>Guys ignore the pum pum, we only need another 7 years as a virgin to get that century of virginity for a magical boost.

Does this shit actually work? People keep saying this but is there any confirmation?
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>>4088717
QM has discussed it seriously before in the Discord with various levels of meme-magic being discussed.
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> You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
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>>4088718
Well, if it's true then we should guard our virginity with ferocity))
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I mean if you get to 100 years of being a virgin, I probably will need to give you something for it just for the memes.
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>>4088748
Truth is every time we were planning on getting eventually laid we got killed.
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>>4087347
>Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
>The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word
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Rolled 5, 1, 1, 1, 4, 5, 1 = 18 (7d6)

>>4087347
>>Ser Gerold wanted a word with you
>>You went to Niiro for counsel and heard his thoughts on your victories
>>The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word
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No update today, spent day socializing with family and can't stay up late writing.
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>>4088577
Well I'm not really expecting multiple choices unless you specify that (like the shopping trip), I'm mostly just thinking out loud. If it's better to be concise then I would remove everything but the vote to dance in >>4087598.
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>>4089249
Fair enough.
Have a nice time!
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>"Those boys are a bad influence on you."
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Right, considering the way this line this discussion with Niiro is going, I will need you to answer this one, but simple vote.

What is your current objective?
He cannot give advice unless he knows this.

> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.

> [Securing more assets]: No ambition can be realized without access to necessary resources to exploit.

> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.

> [Write-in] If it's too gay or literally all or more than one of the above, it will be vetoed.
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>>4090645
>[Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.

We can learn the real Theory of Everything and it won't matter if we can't actualize ourselves in this world.

Let's become strong and skilled enough to slaughter armies, slay dragons, and inevitably worshiped as a warrior god.
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i want biological enhancements
but i do want to to be perfect at fighting and be a leader of men
its hard to choose dammit
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>>4090653
With enough skill and perfection of leadership, we can be reborn as a woman and kick ass enough to be recognized as a proper ruler
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>>4090653
>>4090658
"and still* kick ass enough to be recognized as a proper ruler", to be specific enough that I don't sound like a tranny
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>>4090645
> [Securing more assets]: No ambition can be realized without access to necessary resources to exploit.
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>>4090658
Why would anyone what to be a woman? especially in a medieval period?
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>>4090645
>[Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
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>>4090665
I'm just saying we might not always be blessed with a cock. To make up for our obvious physical weakness, we have to learn how to perfect our body now and kick ass with anything we can get our hands on.
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>>4090658
>wants weak soft baby skin on a woman
>not have a tanned rippled physique with big thighs and right size of boobs
get the fuck out of here you genetic defect if our MC ever turned to a girl it would have muscles that can beat even a custodians body
other than that get that gay shit out of here you cunt
>>4090645
> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
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>>4090673
I didn't say that. We want the same thing, bruh.

why get big thigh muscle waifu if we can be the big thigh muscle waifu? For the love of god, do not take this seriously, you inevitable misinterpreting autists
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>>4090676
>wheredoyouthinkweare.png
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>>4090645
>[Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
This sort of ties into the martial aspect as well.

Firstly, we complete not!penicillin for amazing short term wealth generation (a noble with an infection will gladly pay the paltry sum of 1 Wealth (200 Gold Dragons) for us to cure them).
Secondly, we do some NEET living and use our current funds to make the first steps in flight, such as perfecting a water tight canvas material (which would be used both for planes and zeppelins) and sell the prototype as a hot air balloon for a big injection of cash.
Thirdly, we use that cash to join/start a merc company and develope our skills in fighting (buy some training as well) and accrue a core of men we can use as an elite strike force later.
Fourthly, with our reputation as both a healer and warrior, we join Gerion Lannister on his expedition into Old Valyria and save his ass while gathering up all the knowledge we can about magic hoodo, artefacts and mutation research (Valyrians used to do plenty of Tzimisce-tier shit).
From there, we use the brownie points with Lannisters to do research on mutagens (try and up our stats some more and maybe get darkvision or some shit) and generally improve our merc company in both equipment and men, forge a small navy with cannons and get a casus belli on the Stepstones pirates.
Lastly, we clear out the Stepstones of pirates and station our loyal mercs and navy in the area and fortify, with the end goal of seizing trade in the Stepstones. To this end, the aircraft research we did previously will also be used and ideally we would end with the Stepstones as a sovereign power with a cannon navy and a one-of-a-kind airforce to protect it, leading to taxing the trade with impunity and amassing more wealth than god for our various projects.

Thoughts?
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>>4090676
and also i think qm explicitly say that no girls allowed so yeah
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>>4090682
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>>4090682
That's what he wants us to think. Imagine how secure we are in our intelligence and ability to climb up the social ladder until we die and the Rad Man shoves us inside a baby gil.

we'd be absolutely devastated
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>>4090686
Take your fetish.

Pack it up nice and tight.

And then shove it and never mention that shit again.
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>>4090645
>[Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
DONT STOP UNTIL WE CAN DUEL WEILD TWO MOTHER FUCKERS
That meme where you beat a motherfucker with another fucker? Let's get strong to the point we can do that, but fuel wielding people.
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>>4090691
Ahem>>4090676
Point taken, though.
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>>4090694
See, there is a physical limit on us gaining stats the normal way. The reason we are chasing the mutagen stuff is so we could bypass it and go straight for 10 Endurance so we can survive the even freakier mutations. Focusing on Endurance this lifetime was also spurred on by the hunt for mutations, for example.
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>>4090670
Genderbender is fetish tier faggotry and serves to add absolutely nothing in any story.
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so if we go to technological progress we could theoretically make aircrafts and since we are focusing on it we could make more technological advancements other than not!penicillin and alot of magic if we get the chance but on the other hand we wont focus on our fighting skills we still be going to do our exercise but to its but not making it beyond our limits and not that much battles
both of them can go down the biological advancements maybe a little magic on the martial perfection but not much
as much as good as >>4090681 sounds id rather stay on martial perfection there are still a chance were we are going to fucking die because of QM traps we choose to be STRONG just because of our last run poor brother
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>>4090645
>[Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.

TOSS A COIN TO YOUR WITCHER
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>>4090706
As an FYI, all but the most potent poisons have little chance to affect us and even the strongest have like 60% chance to do nothing (separate from our chance to survive it). Very few assassins would try to attack us outright due to our recent pest elimination display as well. Doesnt leave a lot of opening.

Granted, making and widely selling guns can be a danger to us, but I dont think its something we should worry about if we manage to cultivate a loyal group of men who use said guns.
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>>4090704
I can probably try and argue for its sole use in comedy series but that will no doubt attract more autists who will be overly pissy over stupid shitposts.

thank you for sparing us from such an autistic cringe reckoning fate, oh rad one
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>>4090713
after the shit we pulled there is gonna be more than just assassins later if the higher ups said we are dangerous
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>>4090718
To what end? Spend heaps of money just to kill some random dude for fear he *might* become a threat someday later? Much like the Arthur run, its an overblown phobia. People dont actually care that much. Hell, even the assassin last time was not doing it as a calculated move but due to being so salty that his whole noble house got nuked.
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>>4090721
that depends on what we are going to do
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>>4090722
Arthur blew up 3 cities in a couple weeks solo. He wasnt worth attacking. What makes you think we would be?
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>>4090704
Changing my vote to being a neet then. This anon >>4090701 convinced me. Get smart. Get wealthy. Get mutigens so we can duel weild two mother fuckers so we can beat up two other mother fuckers with our twin motherfucker style.
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> [Securing more assets]: No ambition can be realized without access to necessary resources to exploit.

Whether medicine, magic, tech or fighting we need funds and a home base to operate from.

Or a Big ass Ship then our money and workshop can be mobile.
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>>4090728
If we complete not!penicillin we will be able to secure all the small funding we need (small as in the hundreds of Gold Dragons range). More than enough for prototyping or making a few ships.
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>>4090645
> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
with it,we are more able acquire more assets and better martial perfection. Gun-Fu anyone?
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>>4090718
The threat of assassination is actually overblown and it usually requires the guy ordering the hit to really hate you.

You see, assassins have a bad reputation of actually failing and causing fuckhuge amount of problems for the guy who hired them and the people of Planetos are not unaware of such risks.

>Someone tried to have Bran killed
>It fails and the whole household goes on high alert seeking for culprits, going even so far as to kidnap the son of Tywin Lannister in their paranoia.
>Robert tries to have Daenerys killed. This fails and triggers Khal Drogo to begin invasion of Westeros.

Entire point of Assassination is to accomplish through a hired killer what you can't with an army most of the times.

Despite what the show insists, killers like the Faceless men are not expert fighters and immediately die if they try to swordfight with a knight.
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>>4090645
> [Securing more assets]: No ambition can be realized without access to necessary resources to exploit.
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>>4090724
i dont know go to some valyrian ruins to get grey scales and get scars?
a fucking dragon?
some fucking how back-stabbed both metaphorically and literally without our armor?
die a horrible death because of injecting ourselves with shit and it failed cause we didn't use/not enough human subjects?
we are tough as shit but from what i remember not as good as the mountain (if we even encounter him that is)
what im trying to say is it doesn't need to be assassins to meet with death we could get very cocky and get shit rolls or made a very risky decision and paid the price
call me paranoid but anything can happpen like a prince visiting our family's baker shop or cultists banging our neighbors door
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>>4090754
You realise that we physically cant go over 7 in stats, right? That, in order to not die of poisons, greyscale and whatever else you think of, we would need to go past the human limitations?

And how is us wrastling dragons going to get us swamped in assassins exactly?
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QM confirmed that mutagens are in the Tech Option. So no superhuman stats without going nerding for a while.
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>>4090757
FUCKING MUTAGENS AND MAGIC MOTHER FUCKER
WE ARE A OFF DIMENSION ENTITY THAT CAN REINCARNATE IN DIFFERENT TIMELINE FROM BETWEEN FROM PARALLEL DIMENSIONS AND DIFFERENT PERSONS AND WE WILL KEEP DOING THIS TILL QM GETS BORED AND END THIS
ITS GARBAGE DAY BUT WE ARE IN STORY OF ICE AND FIRE
AND ALSO THOSE THAT WANT TO KILL US IS NOT GOING SOME FUCKERS WITH ROBES WITH DAGGERS
ITS GOING TO BE LITERAL MEN IN FUCKING ARMOR AND WEAPONS THATS NOT THOSE GAY SHIT DAGGERS OR SOME FARMERS SCYTHE BUT LITERAL WEAPONS WITH SWORDS OR ANYTHING THATS GOING TO GIVE US A FUCKING HEAD TRAUMA JUST BECAUSE WE SHOWED HOW CAPABLE WE ARE
DO YOU UNDERSTAND
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>>4090645
> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
We're only young once
Twice
Potentially infinite.
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>>4090645
Wait what does becoming the Witcher count as?
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>>4090808
See >>4090767

No Witchering mutations without going for tech.
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>>4090771
Shit son, calm down. Nobody is killing you for being competent, they will however, have a grudge if you cause them harm as a byproduct of pursuing your ambitions and every establishment defends their gains violently.

Only ones you pissed off thus far were the cultists by thwarting their plans, but its kinda hard to actually build a narrative against you when you weren't exactly the aggressor.
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>>4090645
>> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
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>>4090645
> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.
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>>4090645
Technological progress
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>>4088748
Knowing you, it will be a permanent ED or something like that
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>>4090645
> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
I am fine with more martial orientated pursuits and goals in this life but I feel like going for witcher stuff, exoteric knowledge is pretty vital if we want to maintain unique advantages and reap the benefits of magical boost in this life or next one.
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FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT WE WONT GET PENICILLIN IF WE DON'T CHOOSE TECH.

We lose out on an easy way to make hundreds or thousands of gold per visit. PLEASE anon, dont shoot us in the foot again.
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>>4090645
> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
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>>4090645
> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.

We're already damn near martially perfect within the reasonable limits of the system. Technology provides far more logical and consistent power both in combat (fulminate revolvers can be lesser-action fired meaning multiple shots from a gun in a turn) and out of it (paraffin oil lamps would sell really well and not!penicillin will too).

Additionally, even the best fighter can only be in one place at one time. Far better therefore to focus on making shit that means we either don't have to be there (because the issue is already taken care of) or can arrive faster (plane, train, fucking zeppelin if needed).
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>>4090645
> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
https://youtu.be/9gIMZ0WyY88

Also:
>>4090472
>What do you want Jerry?
Now I imagine us as pic related.
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>>4090645
>> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
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>>4090645
>> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
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>>4090645
>> [Technological progress]: Knowledge is power and accumulating more if it equals the means to disrupt the stagnation of this world.
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>>4090850
More like "You can't research penicillin if you go adventuring."
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>>4090850
we could get the penicillin since its close to completion but other than that we wont research that much tech since we focus the majority of our time adventuring
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>[Become a bigger chad]
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>>4090668
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>>4090694
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>[Become a huge fucking nerd]
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>[And his nose grew three sizes that day...]
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>>4090728
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>>4090645
> [Martial perfection]: The Struggle to hold on to power will always lead to it slipping from one's fingers, yet power will always find its way to the hands of a strong man.

Too late, but eh.
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[1/2]

After receiving your silver medal from your endurance run, you had earned no small amount of recognition and many offers for your services from being a poster boy for political parties to partaking in honest to god slave breeding programs.

You were practically drowning in opportunities and reckoned you needed some guidance, so you decided to ask from your local gang boss what he thought of all this.

"Congratulations on your medals Arkan. You wanna go and celebrate or just pass out?"
"Actually, I was looking for some advise, you see I've been getting a whole lot of offers and I'm not exactly sure what to do next."
"Alright then lad, dunno how good my opinion is going to be, but let's grab a drink and hear what's on your mind."

After telling him how the Magisters, Guilds, Brothels and even the Westerosi royalty had shown interest in your talents, Niiro just rolled his eyes.

"Look, I'm going to be honest with you here. That deal with the pleasure houses? The one where you get your balls drained for the rest of your life and paid for the privilege? That should be the fairly obvious pick, no?"
You nurse your beer in silence and sigh
"Alright, alright, for the sake of the argument, let's go through your options then. Thaeryx and Gaelyx or whatshisname are both snakes, don't expect them to stick their necks out for you or keep you around after you're no longer useful for them. Both probably want to use you to push their political careers, but they're part of different factions. Gaelyx is a more militant man, wanting a bigger fleet of ships and Thaeryx has a history of being a "moderate", which means he has a habit of making endless compromises and having zero convictions. Asking for political favors from them is entirely possible. You might get even a license for your own guild out of them, but guild business is bloody business, so prepare to get your feet wet."

"You know anything about the Aurochs?"
"Aurochs have a fairly solid reputation, far as merc companies go, they're reasonably popular for the work they do killing Dothraki. If you want to travel Essos and learn to kill, they're some of the better companies, or worse, if it's pillage and plunder you are hoping. Supposedly they have their own castle somewhere in the east. Don't know much else about them."

"What's your take on Westeros?"
"Westeros is an odd case, being hired by royalty sounds great and all, but they supposedly have pretty stringent laws and customs on a lot of things since they're governed by a King who actually can and does mobilize his armies to crack down own anything that displeases him unlike with our council of magisters who are pretty dickless at large. On top of that the Lords have a reputation of being able to bend the law however they want with little consequences so that might bite you in the ass."

"Of course, you could always marry into a guild, I'd imagine most guilds would take you since having someone who can break skulls is always useful."
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[2/2]

"Well, look maybe you should ask what you want to do, rather than what's being offered then? You got the money now don't you? If you wanted to you could get a ship and leave this city or buy a house of your own."

You thought for a moment as you emptied your cup, pondering on your options, on what you wanted to do before any of this competition stuff. If money, politics or time were not an issue...

"I know what I want to do now."
"Alright let's hear it then."
"I wish to work on my own projects, tinker on whatever I want, make what I please, research any craft I desire without having to worry about some fucking guilds getting their feelings hurt and sending thugs after me. I don't want any fucking lords or politicians trying to regulate my craft nor constrain me."
Niiro chuckles
"Good luck with that, never heard of a city where that's possible."
"So, you've no advise?"
He sighs
"Alright, if you're serious about not getting paid to impregnate young girls selected for their beauty as a career, then fine. Let's think about this, way I see it, you got three choices."
"Which are?"
"Number 1. You look for a powerful and generous enough patron to let you ply your craft as you desire."
"Number 2. You head off to fringes of civilization where no law can be enforced."
And the last one?
"Number 3. You stake your claim on some land and start your own settlement. Just have to be prepared to kill any Pirates, Marauders and slavers that show up. Granted, you may want to accumulate some more money for that."
"I see, well, thanks for your advise, I will certainly consider it. Is there anyone you could introduce me to if I wanted to pursue these options?"
"Not really, I mean I guess you could look for some sickly freed men, nurse them to health and offer them jobs as settlers if you are planning that route."
"I will think on this. Thanks for setting me straight."
"Well, you're very much welcome. I owe you as much considering your aid with the incident."

> Do you wish to go through more scenes from previous list before deciding on a path to pursue?
> Y/N
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>>4090992
> Y
Lets hear what the Kingsguard want and remind them that we are a pretty dope doctor who freelances.

How much would it cost to get a ship with enough room for a small workshop/lab that we can sail by ourselves or with a small crew?
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>>4090992
> Y
more story qm
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>>4090992
> Y
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>>4090992
>> Y
More story please these are great! I'd still like to get that dance and chat with the kingsguard if possible, those were the 2nd and 3rd highest votes.
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>>4090992


I think finding a good patron, making a deal to split profits with whatever business we pursue and then using our wealth a connections to found our own settlement is a good choice

Don't want to take the waifu bait before we reach 100 for the memes

>y
Let's see what the previous guild master wanted to talk about
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>>4090992
>Y
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>>4091001
Depends entirely what you mean by a workshop. If you just mean an alchemy bench and microscope, then just about any single person courier sailboat that isn't open topped would suffice and you can get those from 5g-10g depending on quality.

If you're talking about full on ship with crew capacity or anything like that, Cogs are around 50 gold.

If you actually wanted a purpose built ship, you could always design one since that's actually a skill you have.
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>>4091032
So a decent ship with some room to spare would run us 50 Dragons.

How much would we need to cough up to remake the Long Night? Maybe a smaller cheaper version of it we can run with fewer men?
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A LOT because it was over a hundred man luxury courier armed to the teeth.
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>>4091038
Cog it is then.
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The way I see it, if we want to research and do shit what we should do is do a bit of a double dip.

We want 7 more years as a pure virgin, so train hard and get some killing xp, then come back to Lys, pull another massive stunt like kill 100 dothfugees and take the pleasure house deal.

This way we get ze money and skills to not be bothered, connections everywhere to buy and sell exotic things and the time to do what we want with just having to do some nightly sports for a regular cash flow.

IMHO this is the best play
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>>4090681
Agreed. It's best to start with technological progress because that leads directly to martial perfection and the founding of empire after that. Some thoughts:

>Gerion's expedition canonically departs in about 11 years. I wouldn't worry about anything beyond that for now and we should consider this to be our first major deadline.
We should do everything we can to prepare ourselves in men and equipment beforehand to make the expedition a success. Apart from making connections in westeros (and with Gerion himself) my recommendation would be to build a ship armed with cannon and guns with a loyal crew we train up beforehand. That will serve as our mobile lab/forge/hospital and a secure place to carry our loot back home.

>We need money, lots and lots of money. By lowborn standards we are set for life but things like building a ship and inventing powered flight are still far beyond our means. We need to leverage our personal skills as much as possible to fund our goals.
- Get our healer credentials recognized so we can make bigger money than patching up street goons.
- Finish up with penicillin and find a reliable backer for it.
- We have the smithing skills to make arms and armour worth more than castle. Once word gets out that we made our own armour and survived a 50-1 fight without taking a scratch we should have no trouble finding high end commissions. Making Gerion some armour would also go a long way to ensure that he survives the expedition.

>Industrialize the weaver's guild. We don't have to marry Laharra (right away?) if you want to stay a virgin for meme magic. But we should definitely get get in good with that guild, for a variety of reasons.
- Guilds are serious business, if we threaten their way of life by making machines or products that do the job better than they can, they will come after with assassins. However if the guild is our friend and shares in the profits they will fight tooth and nail to protect us and our interests.
- We already have the knowledge to vastly increase cloth quality and speed of production. We will need cloth of this grade for our experiments in flight and unlike better steel or better timber it doesn't necessarily exist in this world yet. It would also provide us with a steady income for decades to come, so the sooner we start production the better.
- As a means to get the ball rolling we could use the high quality cloth to invent the hot air balloon. This would have many applications from simple fun to military intelligence. Hot air balloons would also be useful for exploring valyria.
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>>4091155
Gerion needs a better guide, pilot and perhaps some gas masks.
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Definitely want to learn more magic before venturing into Valyria, but yeah gas masks would be helpful too.

Remember the daughter of Jaeherys that went to Valyria on Balerion, she came back infested with worms that had human faces, that shit aint natural, Balerion came back pretty badly wounded too, probably would have lived longer if not for that.
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>>4091155
We can make big bucks simply curing nobles of diseases. We need not set up a not!penicillin factory just yet (your average noble can handily afford 1 Wealth for a cure for their child, for example; save Shireen and we will be swimming in gold) and we dont need huge sums to perfect small scale prototypes. Furthermore, a hot air balloon pays for itself many times over if we sell the prototype - which we very well should.
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>>4091205
I also dont get this fascination with the weavers guild. The payoff will be delayed so far into the future we may as well just do doctoring and merc and then leech off Lannsiter gold after Gerion.
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>>4091212
Waifubait, maybe?


Is there a guild for virtually everything? Perhaps we could tap into unguided industry?
Or hell, start up a new industry which hasn't been invented yet. Like, hamburger fast food joints
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>>4091212
Well this is just my opinion but making friends with the weavers guild covers many different bases. Our long term goal for this life is powered flight. At our tech level that would mean canvas and wood biplanes held together with metal wires. Think Wright Brothers, Sopwith Camel, Fokker Triplane etc. So in the (admittedly far) future we will need access to lots of high quality cloth. If we wanted to make cloth for ourselves we would either have to own an entire fief and build an industrial base from scratch like we did in the previous life, or go out into no-mans land where they wouldn't force us to establish a guild or compete with existing guilds. By far the easiest way to get this done is to just partner with an established guild and have them make it for us using our design specs and equipment. This also makes us a lot of money, better cloth of the kind we have in mind is perfect for sails and will never not be in demand. Even if it doesn't have the same instant payoff as doctoring or smithing work we could put things in motion now and profit for decades before we are ready to conquer the stepstones.

Secondly as Niiro points out, getting in good with a guild also gets us a patron, one who isn't just a flaky politician. If you want some land to build a private workshop a guild could get you that easily. As an added bonus if you hang a sign up that says trespassers will be killed on sight to protect trade secrets no one will bat an eye because guilds derive their power from such monopolies and this is expected behaviour.

In the short term we could make insane dosh just by making and selling hot air balloons. Apart from dragons and shapeshifting into birds this the only source of flight this world has ever seen. Everyone who could afford it would want one. Everyone who could afford a single ride would want one and remember it for the rest of their lives. That act alone would seal our legend as a genius inventor.

Anyhow, we have 11 years until Gerion sails and we don't need to spend all of it on doctoring and fighting, we can get a head start on some of the technological stuff too.
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>>4090992
>N
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>>4090992
I like the number 2 option here; just go out into the wilderness (maybe with some followers?) and Factorio this bizzach.
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>>4091335
>Camel, Fokker
Eheheheheheh, Camel-Fokker.
I am a child.
That is all.
Continue.
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hi
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>>4091291
The Guilds love to regulate trade by granting certain niche monopolies for their members, usually these are family recipes, but hostile takeovers aren't exactly unheard of if someone is making too much money.

Basically, if your McDonalds chain is raking in tons of cash, the guild for cooks, caterers and restaurant workers will quickly show you the price of not being unionized as they decide to grant rights of your business to someone of their number and then send in thugs and mercs to chase you away.

In Westeros, the guilds are all regulated by their lords however, which means that the local government always comes before local businesses.

There's a reason why the world has remained so stagnant for damn near thousands of years.
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>>4091155
If you want to industrialize ANY guild, you need to always tackle the more traditionalist elements of the guild and bludgeon them into submission by force if necessary.

Keep in mind these are organizations hundreds of years old and very set in their ways, which means you might have to quite literally burn down a few ancient workshops predating the fall of Valyria whilst maintaining a private army of mercs to enforce your tyranny over the guild to make them accept your ways.

Free cities aren't by any means free.
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those pirate islands looks good right now
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>>4092605
https://yourube.com/watch?v=p34hQgvOpM8

You know we could just conquer Bloodstone with a smol gunship after a stint as a merc, and be its governour.

Make a gunfort there and simply play Tropico 2
Hold on to the guns to ensure Bloodstone never gets fucked with and leave the pirates do what pirates do.

While they pay us a smol fee and we stay in our gunfort overlooking the now unassailable port and do our research like a mad wizard.
On a true pirate island.
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>>4092637
>>4092605
>yourube
yes, you are a rube!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=p34hQgvOpM8
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>>4092233
Hello!
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>>4092637
Pirate Island is such an ugly word. I believe "Freeport" has a much nicer tone to it.
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>>4092670
Freeport it is!
hmh.
Beyond Cannon there are another thing that we can make our freeport better.
As a Master Smith we can entice others smiths who want to reach our level to come over and also sell plate to ironborn... free traders... who like the aesthetics.
Then as a Lyseni who is eyed by the pleasure houses we could franchise and have them open up a branch in our port that is going to be massively profitable.
With the distilery once we get to it we also will be selling the best of booze.

So all major needs of a free captain will be met. Steel,booze and comfort...

All of the highest quality.
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>>4092233
GENERAL KENOBI.
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>Si!
>>4091001
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>>4091029


>No!
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>>4092680
Anon, you are a genius! Soon the gold will flow.
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Give me 4d6 roll
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Rolled 2, 6, 5, 1 = 14 (4d6)

>>4092813
No.
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Rolled 4, 1, 4, 3 = 12 (4d6)

>>4092813
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Rolled 3, 3, 5, 1 = 12 (4d6)

>>4092813
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Rolled 1, 5, 1, 5, 2, 6, 6 = 26 (7d6)

How average
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>>4092680
>>4092637
if this route we will take then i think it's pretty funny how the immortal is tied to the water both for glory and death.
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>>4092856
Rivers. The veins of empires.
Food,Trade and Travel
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> Gerold Hightower

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A goony looking manlet under the employ of Head Magister Thaeryx approached you after the award ceremony for your marathon informing you that Ser Gerold wished to congratulate you on your victories.

Despite the fact that Ser Gerold had not exactly been particularly receptive to you in these few days, you reckoned there was no reason not to hear him out, so you decided to follow the man.

You were lead to one of the many parks of the city, now vacated almost completely of people save for the watchmen that patrolled the premises with a great deal more care than the goldcloaks did when they were guarding you.

The White Bull of house Hightower approached you on horseback atop a white horse, pulling a mighty black stallion in his tow, saddled and ready to go.

"You mentioned you could ride a horse, did you not?"

You roll your eyes and take the reins, rising on top of the animal with confidence of a seasoned rider. You didn't ride your ass off through half of Westeros with an unrepentant tourney whore without learning how to handle a steed.

"So, what's this about Ser Gerold? I was under the impression that nobility only took these little strolls through nature to plot and scheme?"
"You're not a noble, though you seem to be versed in courtly affairs. Let's see how good you are with a horse. We'll race."

> Animal handling 14 vs 24
> He wipes the floor with you

"You are certainly not unfamiliar with a horse, but there's much to improve on your horsemanship."
"Perhaps, but it was never something I relied on to make a living anyway."
"You are a very strange man, everything about you perplexes me to no end and I cannot make sense of it."
"Oh, please. What's the point of hiding my abnormality at this point? I'm a pretty fucking exceptional individual, no two ways about ir."
"And exceptionally dangerous. The prince has gathered as much too."
"Well yes, but I am now considerably less so, seeing that you now know that I exist."
"I do not understand you mister Arkan. How does a man like yourself come about? Even now you do not seem to be overmuch tired from today's exertions."
"If it's fitness counsel you are asking for, standard rates apply."
He goes silent for a moment
"A boy can be trained from an early age."
"Well, I am fifteen, some would call me a boy still. But yes, I did train myself from an early age and never neglected that training. You can find out as much asking my father."
"Perhaps I did?"
"Ah... So that's what this is about."
"You worked as a mason and a carpenter for a time."
"Yes, until my father forbade me to do so."
"After that you fled home and became a healer, patching up dockside gangers and sailors."
"This, is also true."
"And five years later, you are a blacksmith, an alchemist, a warrior and a prodigious athlete."
"...Yes, and?"
"I'd like to know how is this possible."
"Ah... Hahaha, I guess someone had to ask that sooner or later."
"You are not an average man."
"No, I am not. That is obvious."
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"You avoid the question."
"Yes, I do. Because that's a rather private question. We're not exactly friends or co-workers or anything. We're just two people who happened to meet by chance, only I haven't been sticking my nose to your business."
He scans you with his eyes
"Answer me this, are you some sort of wizard?"
"Oh, Ser Gerold, if I were, would I really be suturing wounds at the dockside?"
"You're starting to remind me of Varys. I do not like it."
"Then do not ask me questions I am not comfortable answering"
"Then answer me this, why did you reject the Prince's offer?"
You scoff
"Hah! Isn't it obvious? It's because I could literally go to any Lord Paramount in his realm and get a better offer! Or do you mean to tell me there is a lord in the seven kingdoms that would refuse a castle to a man who shits out troops with master crafted gear?"
"You think rather highly of yourself mister Arkan, for a second rate horseman."
"Oh, so is that the dealbreaker then? Do I need to be peerless at every aspect of life to get some respect?"
"The fact that we are talking is already sign of respect from me and my liege."
"Well, I suppose I could have done better in those contests truth be told. Bit salty about only getting one gold medal."
Ser Gerold rolls his eyes as he chuckles
"I do wonder on a more serious note that on the off chance Prince Rhaegar would raise his offer in order to secure your fealty, would you actually consider the prospect serving him at all? Or would that be a wasted effort?"

> What is your answer?
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>>4092924
"To tell the truth,I feel that what the prince expects of me under his employ will actually disrupt one of the next goals I'm trying to reach. I'm thinking of plying my next trade as a merchant.Or an adventurer looking for treasure in Essos and beyond."
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>>4092924
He'd probably be interested in utilising my skills meaning I'll be too busy to pursue what I want to do
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>>4092924
"To be honest that would interfere doing my research and my long term goal that involves going on a adventure to Essos and beyond"
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>>4092924
"I fear the prince will not be comfortable offering me the funds I would consider adequate for my time. I have grander plans in motion than being a knight or simple smith. Perhaps in a few years, after I have sufficient proof to assuage the princes fears, we might come to an understanding but my goals lie further than becoming a brute for hire."
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>>4092958
Also add "I dont suppose the Kingsguard would be open to training an outsider? If said outsider, say, took care of some bandits plaguing your forests?"
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>>4092924
"I wouldn't disregard the offer right away... it's just that I have certain reservations. While being in his highness' employ would certainly be advantageous, I'm afraid I'd be strangled, and my autonomy limited... if his Highness were to give me the degree of freedom I ask for, then the offer would be almost undeniable."

Lets be honest guys, this puts us in the optimal position to do the most good while avoiding the most harm. We play the little game not to win but to make sure Rhaygar doesn't lose! Keep to ourselves, make sure King's Landing has a proper sewage system and we're golden!
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>>4092967
You realise the Targ dynasty is about to go tits up in a mayor way, right? A way we cant avert without taking control of both the prince and the king?
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>>4092924
>"As it stands, I've not much interest for riding across the countryside and cracking head and collecting taxes. Not to mention my personal pursuits might be too..."ambitious" for his coffers anyhow. Said pursuits would likely be disrupted by my hypothetical knighthood anyways."
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>>4092924
"I Wish to be my own man I still have much to Learn and a body to train.

I have many plans, these are things that a man with obligations will be stymied by... To be oath bound to a lord would ruin me.

So Sir I am flattered by the offer but I must decline the seven kingdoms are not where my heart leads me "
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We can make cheirosiphōn right?
It could be pretty good idea to jew pyromaniac Targs with a promise of a working reliable greek fire.
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>>4093026
Horribad war weapon. Might be able to barter it to the Mad King in return for Dayne lessons though....

Kinda risky anyway. Plus time consuming. Might just be simpler to kill the Smiling Knight and get Dayne that way.
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>>4093138
>Might just be simpler to kill the Smiling Knight and get Dayne that way
Do we really want to fuck up Dayne's legacy like that though?
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>>4093144
Do we care?
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>>4093138
You call that horribad? Wait till we make willie pete napalm.
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>>4092993
True enough but we can at least help to soften the blow that Robbert's Rebellion and subsequent death causes. Our whole shtick is we want to make people's lives better, we can do that regardless of who sits on the throne right? Just bend the knee and resume our clinical trials as head physician to the new King. I don't think y'all realize just how many resources we'd have at our disposal in the King's service.
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>>4093154
Not that the weapon itself is bad, the application is. A tiny hose you hand-pump ship-killer through and hope it doesnt set you yourself on fire. This is also why Wildfire is a meme and not a weapon of war.

>>4093163
Doubt we ever cared (IC or OOC) about the people. What MC has been striving towards is unfucking the system.

Also you overestimate the resources under the King and vastly underestimate those on "the free market".
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>>4093168
imho the MC has been striving more for personal excellence than anything else and being a example.
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>>4093168
When we DO find our cures how do we distribute them? How do we acquire funds for our lab? How do you plan to AFFORD these things on the free market my man? Call in favors with shady ass people who could easily kill us should we hesitate in returning said favor? No thanks, *I* wanna live.

Everyone says "unfuck the system" but this is FEUDALISM. Working our way to the top from the bottom just isn't realistic. We're being offered an in to one of the HIGHEST POSITIONS IN THE LAND and we're going to refuse it why exactly? Give me ONE good reason that couldn't be negotiated away that doesn't boil down to wanting to avoid drama. Single one. There's like, ONE con and COUNTLESS pros.
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>>4093168
>Doubt we ever cared (IC or OOC) about the people
I mean we offered medical advice to our sister last life, to help her child's sore stomach or some shit. That is two degrees of separation and it was a baby.

I'd call that caring for the people given the little thing is hardly got a personal connection.
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>>4093168
You don't have a white savior complex, but this doesn't mean you don't care about people or wish ill upon them.
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>>4093229
Well, it's feudalism in Westeros, Corrupt republic city states and nomadic tribes in Essos with tribalism north of the wall.

Everywhere has their problems.
Braavos has the most gang violence of any city as it's a multicultural merchant republic without a state religion, meaning you got guilds, cults, organized criminal syndicates and any mix of all of the above trying to gain political supremacy of that wealthy city.

Lys has lot of guild violence, lot of ways to fall to poverty and lot of ways to end up being sold abroad. Religion is quite weak in Lys.

In Westeros, feudal lords care primarily about dynastic inheritance and increasing the value of their lands as to them land = wealth.

In Free cities, Merchant princes constantly work towards trying to drive prices of goods down and devalue the individual worker and as such, push for slavery.
As counterbalance, the guilds control the means of production with an iron fist and the Merchant Princes have to deal with them to make a profit.

Dothraki possess the most ideologically consistent and transparent form of government. You own only what you can hold and nobody follows a leader they don't like or can't beat.
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>>4093229
We're being offered an in to a high position that we absolutely know for certain is going to be in deep fucking shit very soon, and won't give us the time to do anything interesting before then.
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>>4092924
>> What is your answer?
"I am a man of the Free City's, and as such greatly value my freedom and am unwilling to swear any Oaths to your Prince or your gods. However I am willing to aid the Prince with many of my considerable ability's in exchange for the promise of his backing and protection in business carried out in Westeros. I will work largely as I see fit yet can guarantee that as I prosper so will the Prince, and to some small degree the whole of the Sunset Kingdoms."

Effectively if he offers us backing and a small investment we will give him a portion (30- 60%) of what we make. But the relationship will be more of investor-investment than Lord and Sworn Man.
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>>4093229
The same way we "AFFORD" the test drugs for the sex orphan. We dont need to make industrial quantities to be profitable. As I already mentioned, if we can reliably cure relevant diseases, a single middling Westerosi noble can easily cough up 1 Wealth (200 Gold Dragons) to cure their son of dysentry or save the life of the wife after a difficult childbirth. Same goes for Essosi merchants. This means a single dose the likes of which we gave to the kid bum is worth 200 Gold. Arguably more since bigger lords would get preference and could cough up thousands of Dragons for treatment.

Use your noggin anon. And if you fear not!penicillin wont do the trick, sell compasses, printing presses or whatever the fuck else. Not like we lack means to make dough.

>>4093234
Not malicious towards people but indifferent. If we can save someone and profit by it, great. As we did with the FC Plan 7 Silvers with the slaves.
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>>4093308
Well, I mean, there's always the fact that even if you're not the target of a crime, you can't still hate the criminal and though common courtesy means offering some degree of aid to your fellow man, it doesn't mean doing free labor or martyring yourself for their sakes.
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>>4093316
Agreed
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I looked up a decent way to observe which of our mold strains is actually producing antibiotics. It's so easy that even a novice like us could manage it.
Just cover some culture fluid in a mold sample and record whether or not there's any subsequent bacterial growth. If it's free of bacteria, it's likely the right species of fungi for antibiotic use.
Is that too meta?
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>>4093274
>Religion is quite weak in Lys.

Church of the God-Emperor when
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>>4093525
The places where religion is actually taken seriously on planetos can all be counted on one hand (Ibben because old god-king business, Norvos because they marry goddamn axes, Qohor obviously because of sacrifices, Hyrkoon because they only let women kill, and the fucking Iron Isles of all places)

For a world where feudalism is rampant, religion sure is weak.

If you're going to tell me the Northmen's 'religion' makes any sense, I'll laugh at you.
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>>4093602
Is Ibben even all the faithful anymore? I believe it is ruled by the shadow council after the death/overthrowing of the last god-king.
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>>4093610
Eh, priests and priestesses are part of the council, which is more than what could be said about Qarth. It has probably taken a major blow though.
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>>4093602
I was referring to a slightly different God-Emperor
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>>4093636
Conqueror Westeros is already happening in another thread.

he would be laughed at and rightfully told to fuck off for being a mummified corpse
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>>4093640
I know, it was a joke

I just want planes
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>>4093654
We talking modern or basic airfight planes? We can probably only get one of them done unless we spend entire lifetimes researching shit.
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>>4093667
Given I want to get it done this life I reckon the most feasible would be world war 1-esque biplanes.

I reckon I’m order to do so we’re gonna need to industrialise in some way, unless we want some kind of steampunk plane, ICE is probably the way to go.

In order to do that we’re probably gonna need money and land. How to get those I’m not really sure.
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>>4092924
>No, and to answer your question before... "The End Is Never, The End Is Never, The End Is Never" horse swag away.
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>>4093707
planes are good and all but why not make airship transport first?
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>>4094206
Because anons want every airborn vessel they can make be able to fight dragons even though there's literally only 3 that ever show up in books and it is pretty unlikely they would fare well against an Anti-aircraft cannon.
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>>4091169
>>4091201
NBC hazard gear would definitely be handy if we want to set foot on Valyria itself (or what's left of it). Gas masks are entirely possible but I'm not sure how much we can do in terms of anti-parasite/disease gear without access to rubber. Any ideas?

>>4092378
Admittedly we don't need to industrialize the entire guild, most of it is composed of "traditional" craftsmen like women who weave lace and that tailor who made our clothes. Even if we upgraded them with the latest technological innovations all that would result is them doing their work faster, they still don't produce anything useful for the production of airplanes. The part of the guild that interests us the most are the ones that make large quantities of "industrial" grade cloth, like ship sails. For that section of the guild it's not as much about the "tradition" of the craft because the people using those products care more about results than tradition or artistry. So offering them a superior product and methods of production is a much easier sales pitch.

Even if they resist there are ways to lean on them that don't involve outright violence. The best way to spur them into change is to create a demand for a product they don't have the ability to offer, for example: Hot Air balloons. If we successfully construct and fly a prototype every noble is going to want one, and the Lyseni navy is going to be breaking down our door asking about stronger canvas for ship sails and the wondermachine that revolutionizes naval warfare. At that point we can simply clap our hands and go "well I don't have time to make hot air balloons for a living... but if you can convince the weaver's guild to buy the rights to my designs and materials I'm sure they would be happy to make them for you".

At that point the weaver's guild has a choice. Either they can give the nobles and navy what they want by accepting new ideas into one just facet of their business. OR they can refuse, in which case the nobles and navy will just found "The Cooler Weaver's Guild" that gives them exactly what they want and the stodgy dinosaurs running the old weaver's guild will have no grounds to complain. And not only that but they can't send thugs around to disrupt the new business either because that would mean threatening a military resource, making them traitors to the city.

And this all assumes we can't just make friends with them up front.
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>>4092924
I'm not sure how to word all this and how the prince would react to it. But this is what I think after reading all of the other responses:

1. Having to swear an oath to a higher lord is a dealbreaker, not because we can't be trusted but because it would burden us with too much responsibility and take time away from our personal goals.

2. With the above statement in mind we would still be more than happy to offer any of our various skills and services to the crown for appropriate pay. And we don't make that offer lightly. As our prowess in the arena and games has amply demonstrated, we could easily find work with any lord on the planet if we so choose, offering to work for Rhaegar is a token of respect.

3. We should inform the royals that the thing we want to do more than anything else is find the lost secrets of Valyria like the famous explorers of old. This would give them a better perspective on us as a Driven individual with Goals that we will see through or die trying, instead of just being a mystery wizard wonderchild. Mentioning Valyria should also pique Rhaegar's interest as he seems to have an interest in the old ways.

>>4092993
>>4093163
Honestly if you just ensured that Aerys dies and the now King Rhaegar stays faithful to his wife instead of chasing Lyanna, you've already unfucked most of westeros. If you could convince him to let Jaime leave the kingsguard because his appointment was Aerys's plan to punish the Lannisters, Jaime could be Tywin's heir again. Robert/Ned/Jon would have no reason to rebel in this timeline and Robert will probably marry Lyanna. Dany will just grow up to be a princess and won't spark all sorts of targ loyalist fuckery down the line. etc. Everyone is just one big mostly happy family and curbstomps the white walkers when they start shit.
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>>4094422
Leather coated in extra thick tar is quite water proof
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>>4094400
>>4094206

Airships are cool but proper powered flight is far cooler.

[spolier] There are dragons in GoT? I've not watched it [/spoiler]
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>>4094484
New plan, we gotta kill a dragon
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>>4094467
this sounds mostly fine if we have the way with words to put it well.
>>4094486
There will/might be. 3 of them due to a unintended blood sacrifice by pyre with the eggs in it while under a magic red comet

Also, rather smol most of the story.
Big airship is way more beneficial to us due to cargo capacity and ability to not need landing facilities.
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>>4094512
Ok so lets think about this

DO we build a massive airship to act as our base instead of a holding somewhere?
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>>4094531
I'd rather sail somewhere and beach our ship, turning it into a base.
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>>4094537

If we want to beach it we might as well build a normal base. If we're getting an airship might as well keep it mobile
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>>4094467
To be fair, you aren't talking to the prince, you are talking to a member of the KG which means same etiquette restrictions don't apply.
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>I wanna ramble the world
>>4092934
>>4092952

>I like my freedom
>>4092935
>>4092967
>>4093010
>>4093282


>I got big plans
>>4092958
>>4093008

>Neigh
>>4093952
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> William Wallace

You stroll on horseback with the man through the park with the evening breeze in your hair, dignified and posh as a nobleman can be, taking a moment to consider his hypothetical query before
"Your prince must have much work in mind for me for him to desire me so. It is good he has not made such an offer yet, for it would break my heart to reject him."
"Do you think him unworthy of your service?"
"I did mention this before didn't I? About my work arrangements, yes? As long as I've got silver in my pocket I don't actually have to wake up in the morning and go to work and I've already covered my living expenses for the next three decades."

"So you'll waste your life idling around, doing nothing?"
"I don't think you have the right to criticize me there Ser Gerold Hightower. You were born to as a son of one of the mightiest houses in Westeros and you spent your life as a bodyguard. I was born a son of a baker."

"The Kingsguard are the last line of defense for Westeros. So long as the King lives, so too does King's peace."
"I am not dismissing the King's need for guards, I am questioning why does it need be someone whose family holds hegemony over the once Kingdom of Hightower? Your family holds on its palm the city which is the greatest center of learning in the continent, the greatest trading hub in the Reach and one of the greatest religious centers in the entire continent."

"Tell me, since you know my house history, do you know my house words?"
"I do, it's 'We Light the Way'"
"Knowing that, you should understand. The price of peace is duty and vigilance, and if we cannot show those qualities ourselves, could we expect to inspire it in others?"
"I suppose I can agree with that on a certain level, but I still would rather hold on to my freedom, at least for the time being."

"Man without a cause does not truly live Arkan. He merely stumbles through life."
"With so much stumbling going on, I wonder if anyone remembers what walking looks like? The answer remains though, your prince will have to do without my services."

"That is regrettable, but I shall strive to not begrudge you for your decision. Even if it may lead us to cross swords one day."
"I honestly doubt we will cross swords, but hey, it was nice finding out I had earned some respect from you."

After reaching at the edge of the park, you dismounts and bids you farewell as he takes his horse back with him.

If you had actually provided a decent challenge or beat him in the horse race, I'd have let you keep the horse.

> Alright, wanna start conclude the post-victory scenes or do do you wanna go hitting on girls or something?

> More scenes!
> Let's move on
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>>4094467
>>4094512
>>4092967
>>4093282
are these not also a implication that we would like to give him a counter offer that while we would not swear fealty we would be receptive to commissions and bounties?
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>>4094694
> More scenes!
Sorry QM,once you do something with TV and books series. It becomes a sort of fanfiction.

Horses is nice. But V8 Stirling engine car is where the beesknees at.
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>>4094694
>> More scenes!
Let's go dance with laharra.
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>>4094694
> Let's move on
We have books to read, mold to study, and hoes to beat off.
Sidenote, we should publish a book about athletic exercise and dieting at some point.
Do we have a method of measuring kilocalories and vitamin intake yet?
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>>4094706
good idea, but is there any method of copyright? otherwise, we don't get much out of it/
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>>4094708

why is my trip different
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Should probably point out that there's narratively little reason to give you one last "do you want to stick it in the vag00" if you actually go hunting for the booty, because a normal person would never actually find themselves in a situation where you've gotten the girl to take off her clothes, but suddenly you don't feel like following through because ooc reasons.
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>>4094694
> Let's move on
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>>4094694
>Let's move on
We have not!penicillin to discover.
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>>4094708
I figure we can just make it a volume in a series about physiology and pharmaceuticals. Copies of books of that nature are still valuable so long as they remain scarce. As long as we don't go spreading our secrets around left and right, we should be fine.
If nothing else it'll allow us to train physicians more efficiently in the future (because why wouldn't we take up apprentices at some point).
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>>4094715
What do we call our antibiotic when we finally manage to replicate and mass produce it anyhow?
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>>4094694
lol, fucking uppity glorified bodyguards

being a slave to your pampered prince is totally fucking worth it, especially when that prince is part of a paper dragon dynasty
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>>4094694
>Let's move on
Time to do research, make money as a autist and see what else we can do.

Problem is we do not get our boglord setup where we can do what we want.

Get ourselves a decent personal arsenal and hunt the Smiling Knight before the Tourney perhaps?
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>>4094716
Fuck it. Print the books ourselves. Any faggot trying to rewrite it will spend more resources doing it than an original copy is worth. Also no point making money with books. Sell printing presses instead.

>>4094717
kindalike!Penicillin
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>>4094708
With a printing press any intellectual piracy is peanuts compared to our originals.
dont be a faggit.
But you are a tripfag, so yeah, fagit.
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>>4094721
>kindalike!Penicillin
I mean it doesn't make sense to name it that as the name of Penicillin comes from the genus of fungi that constituted the original sample.
Although I guess it doesn't matter what it's called as we're the one's discovering it anyways. I'm partial to putting our name in it if nothing else.
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>>4094694
> More scenes!
On the other hand,
Lets see what the bakers guilds are doing and dab on our family.
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>>4094726
Can we invent pretzels and shit all over the guild?
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>>4094738
While dying over pretzels sounds like the memiest shit, I would rather make daddy mad through becoming a rich sonofabitch.
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>>4094754
I was also considering donuts and bagels. We will become the king of street food.
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>>4094694
> Let's move on
For goodness' sake; we have stuff to be getting on with.
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>>4094694
>> Let's move on
>>4094708
Who gives a shit about copy right? So long as we make 15 copies in the time it takes anyone else to make one we will rake in cash.
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>>4092921
>>4092924
My main issue is is the instability of the Targaryan regime, what with the current king and the possibility of the prince also having a similar lateer in life onseting affliction.
The one thing that offers interest is your organization, more specifically the people in it and their skills.
A squire to one of you would be the required position that is as insulated as I can see from court politics and offer me access to what would lure me to take such a job.
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>>4094859
Westeros has been a can of cannibalistic worms waiting to devour each other since the dragons died. Conflict's not going to stop till everyone's dead or the Great houses agree to fuck off and keep the peace for a time before things go back to the way they were in the century of blood.
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>>4094916
The conflicts of Westeros can be stopped, but the idea you can keep peace on a place a big as south america with swords and horses as cutting edge is utterly wrong.
https://www.quora.com/How-big-is-Westeros-compared-to-our-world
But if we could bring about some modern inventions, namely: telegraph, steam locomotives, universal education.
With these three the whole of westeros would seem much smaller to its occupants and could be used to keep each and every lord in line (feudalism itself being an ideology pron to conflict would need to be removed in exchange for federalism.)
Of course these changes can only be done by the King, and there is no one with a claim to the Throne that would not be threatened with our power to the point of trying to oust us instead of work with us.
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>>4094916
To be fair, Westeros was much like that before the dragons died as well.
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>>4094927
Less so, yeah. Just goes to show how ineffectual the Targs really were though
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>>4094926
Kinda sad how in Planetos, the prospect of a centralized government means despotic city-states and decentralized government means feudalism.
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>>4094926
lol, uplifting Westeros is for Spacebattles and ultimately pointless for an immortal reincarnating being like ourself.
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>>4094944
Martin is bad at worldbuilding.
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>>4094942
Well, truth be told, they did change certain things which broke the stagnation of the seven kingdoms and may or may not be considered beneficial.

In favor of Targaryen dynasty, they did end major inter-kingdom conflicts completely and unified the entire continent as a single economic zone.

They also ended up degrading the moral authority of the church and weakening it to the point where the high septon is practically an extension of the state's authority.

Attempts to regulate the nobility were at times successful, but always were on-and-off things that kept going back and forth throughout the centuries whenever another Targ needed more men or some loans for another failed invasion of Dorne.

They also created roads and a unified currency across the Seven Kingdoms, but the currency values vary entirely from region to region based on metal prices and on the political situation of the area, so it's really only the same currency in name only making it an overcomplicated mess that makes any silver or gold coin just about as valid form of currency as the next in the continent.

They also ended up breaking up the bottleneck of Stepstones strangling the Westerosi trade, which can be called universally beneficial thing for the continent.

However, despite their near 300 year rule of the continent, they never managed to turn Westeros into a nation-state nor create any sort of system that wouldn't be vulnerable to being changed at a whim by their successor at the sight of first short term gain.
Every region still maintains their own identity fairly strongly.
Despite the fact that a continent wide crown-law exist, it only ever really applies to the nobility as the Lords themselves are free to intrepret these laws as they see fit when they deal with peasants in their own territories.
Nevertheless, the prospect that Targaryens existed as a limiter for the power of despotic lords made them popular in the minds of peasants who were doing exceptionally poorly under feudalism, excepting when the Targ in question was broke and needed to suck up to the nobles again.
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>>4094694
> More scenes!
Laharra donce
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>>4094997
That image though, my sides are in orbit.

Something about it that really annoys me is that there are not enough diversity of titles. All nobles(save knights and really minor ones) are lord. Just... why? Why no baron, marquis, count and viscount? I mean sure, we get lords paramount, which is a nice fantasy twist of what I believe should be Duke, but it is not descriptive enough.
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>>4095031
If we come into power, we need to introduce a more sensical feudal naming scheme to the world
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>>4095031
Because the Targaryens were apparently too stupid to expand the noble hierarchy, let alone clarify the existing one.

Kinda hard to do that when you're too busy walking in gardens, trying to come up with animal themed riddles and veiled threats as if having a bigger animal for your sigil made you more fearsome rather than a tryhard.
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>>4095053
Was Bobby B the hero all along?
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>>4094694
>> Let's move on
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>>4094694
>> Let's move on
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>>4095074
Yes?
I thought this should be obvious.
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>>4095050
Agreed completely.

>>4095053
Haha yeah, priorities.
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>>4095074
No, everyone in the story is in some level of wrong.
Bobby B went to war and won but never planned for what came after.
Heroic, but bullheaded his actions caused the deaths of far more than those he saved.
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>>4095099
You're forgetting the most important aspect of his character though.
GODS he was strong then!
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>>4095110
I suppose he did know what role he hand in depopulating the seven kingdoms and try to set right his wrongs through his reign.
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>>4095099
If your government takes your engaged to be wife for a thorough fucking and impregnation sex or rape session, and kills for it your soon to be inlaws when they raise the issue not rising in rebellion and killing anyone who dares to oppose you and support said regime for whatever valid reason means you are no better than a slave.
Take your moral relativism to the grave of Vlad the Impaler, as that will certainly resurrect the old chap and give you the proper pike run through anal stimulation you so desperately crave.
Chronic bootlicker.
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>>4094979
So they broke the church which was only ever radicalized once since the time of the Andal migration thanks to their sister fucking (as far as I know) made a couple of literal dirt roads IIRC, and chosed a poor form of universal currency?

Breaking the Stepstones hold on their trade and keeping full on war from breaking out more often were the only good things they did.
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>>4095124
Off topic, but isn't Vlad actually considered a hero who saved his country over in Romania?
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>>4095124
The Targ's form of absolute rule never made sense to me. Sure, they had dragons but how the hell could that stand after the last of them died?
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>>4095128
Yes. Got beaten with just a slight margin by his contemporary Stephan the Great and Holy, (notorious ladies man but that is not mentioned in polite society) best diplomat king with the longest reign, most victories in battle and most churches built as the greatest Romanian ever.
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>>4095124
Over throwing Louis XVI of France was the right call.
Being Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre is a bad call.
Do not replace one bad leader with another. The right move would be after he won to call a meeting of the High Lords and choose a new monarch for the Seven Kingdoms given he should know full well that he did not have what it takes to be king.
And given that he won he should of made Jon Arryn, Ned Stark, or Stannis the Mannis king instead of himself.
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>>4095136
At the very least he could have picked a better spouse, but I imagine options were limited.
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>>4094694
>> More scenes!
It probably won't win, but more scenes.
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>>4095136
>Jon Arryn
Too old and no heir.
>Ned Stark
Honorboo who doesn't get southern politics.
>Stannis
What the fuck are you smoking, that's not how it works.

Of the three people they could pick, Robert was the best choice, and actually had some minor claim on the throne because of some Targ link.
He's by no means stupid either, and would've probably been a very good king if he wasn't fucking dead inside.
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>>4095136
None of them had claim. I mean, he probably could've done that but it would've been as if the war of the five kings had Renly win the crown. Far more issues than it would've been worth.
>>4095142
It was either Cersei or one of the Tyrells, who had done what they did to Stannis. Dorne is worthless and the Crownlands are the Crownlands. Every other region was secured by platonic bonds, effective though non-permanent. Westeros would've gone to shit regardless of who he married eventually however.
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>>4095136
.... Without a blood claim the fiction of the Iron throne can not be maintained and the realm splinters into component kingdoms.

The only reason that the seven kingdoms are seven kingdoms is inertia of the Dragon conquest.

Break the spell and the Iron throne becomes just some tacky furniture.

There was no other person to put on the throne but Robert who won the war and the allegiance of most of the lords and married into one of the two most important ones.

Technically he could have gone and become a sellsword and leave it to stannis. Technically.
But Stannis would have lost all support by being a unbending legalistic hardass without the friendship and personal connection to the thing that made the STAB alliance work.

So really, once analyzed you are just a whiny bitch.
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>>4094694
> Let's move on
We should definitely get to these other options at some point, but it doesn't have to be right away. We should slip back into science neet mode for a while and finish up antibiotics to clear our schedule.

> The Aurochs wanted to have a chat with you about mercenary work
Since we want to start polishing our combat skills and build up a personal company of mercenaries this seems like a logical starting point. There are many other mercenaries but these ones have seen us in action first hand and know that us killing 50 dothfugees is no idle boast, dealing with them would be easier than some other mercs who only know us by reputation.

> The Former Guildmaster of the Baker's guild wants a word
Dabbing on our family is always fun, and who knows they might even admit we were right one day.

>>4094710
I really wanted that dance but people seem dead set on reaching the 100 mark for wizard powers, so I'll defer to that. Also now that you mention it, it would be nearly impossible to meet with Laharra in a way that doesn't lead to her attempting jumping our bones. If we had asked her for a dance BEFORE revealing our powerlevel it wouldn't be a problem but alas the vote to enter the dance contest was one below the mark.
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>>4095190
I'd imagine the Aurochs would also be interested in our "pyromancy" as well. Any veteran of battle knows we might have actually lost if we didn't catch the horde off guard with the bombs.
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Unironic opinion: if the 7 kingdoms split apart, or better yet divided even further than the seven, you'd resolve a lot of their societal issues. Mostly because such moderately sized nation states would actually be small enough for feudalistic governments to reasonably manage, they'd be culturally coherent, an advancing concept to arise and not be smothered and there'd be a greater amount of competition.


Thus, we must clearly and definitely support literally any war in the 7 kingdoms we can in hopes their constant revolts and civil wars will render them weak, pliable and divided while rendering us strong, resilient and damn rich.
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>>4095142
I disagree, Robert could of married pretty much who ever he wanted. Its not like the Lannisters can just turn around and leave after murdering the children of their King and Liege Lord and sacking the capital.
He just picked Cerise because he did little more than plot with his dick and she on the outside looked like a good match so none of his supports would really have any reason to object or suggest someone else.

>>4095152
>Honorboo who doesn't get southern politics.
You are right he doesn't get the plots and plans of the Southerners and given his status as an outsider he never really would be in the running.

>What the fuck are you smoking, that's not how it works.
Once your veteran rebel army smashes the loyalist forces, takes the capital, and has 5/7 kingdoms dip the banners to them you can really make it work however the fuck you want.
Their is no precident for a Seven kingdoms not ruled by a Targ on the throne and their is precedent to bypass nominal successors in line to the throne in the case of Aegon V Targaryen. He skipped passed "several" being the fourth son and was called Aegon the Unlikley.
Also you can totally just choose not to take the throne case in point Aemon who choose to stay a Maester instead of taking the Throne.

>Too old and no heir.
Yeah thats another good point
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>>4095166
>.... Without a blood claim the fiction of the Iron throne can not be maintained and the realm splinters into component kingdoms.
Stannis did have a blood claim just like his brother and given that a large amout of the military strenght of Dorne died with the young dragon, Tywin has the blood of Royalty on his hands and can't really turn away, and the Tyrells have choosen almost totally to not fight the whole time not a lot of splintering could happen.
If Tywin leaves he seems like a degenerate murder.

>There was no other person to put on the throne but Robert who won the war and the allegiance of most of the lords and married into one of the two most important ones.
Robert did not marry Cerise until after he won so Stannis could of in theory married her, and its not like Robert would just fuck off into the sunset. He could of just taken up the duties of Lord of Storms End and the Stormlands and helped enforce the rule of the Mannis through his backing.

>But Stannis would have lost all support by being a unbending legalistic hardass without the friendship and personal connection to the thing that made the STAB alliance work.
Or he would of keep the Kingdoms from their slow decline into corruption, managed the Crown as a stawart statesmen and there is no real reason the STAB alliance would fail.
Ned Stark still is foster brothers with Robert, Arryn is still hand to the king, and the Tullys are still so weak they have to count upon strong allies, like the Starks.
Ned being to much of an honorable faggot would not betray his new King Stannis, and would keep the north and the riverlands in line.

And after the Ironborn faggot out in a few years it would secure his new power given that Greyjoy is still a dumb faggot and everyone still hates the Ironborn.

At worst the Dornish leave but even still they were a hotbed for rebel plots this whole time and it could even be safer with them viewed as a less than liked neighbor rather than another servant to the Crown.
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>>4095199
I actually agree with that. Conflict is inevitable and none of the great houses could expand past their regions for centuries. The Iron Isles and Stormlands holding onto the Rivers was complete bullshit though.
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>>4095166
>.... Without a blood claim the fiction of the Iron throne can not be maintained and the realm splinters into component kingdoms.

Well, I mean, it technically was no lie.
Aegon the Conqueror DID conquer Westeros and the Dragons DID guaranteed Targaryen hegemony over the continent.

It's only after the bigbrain moment of deciding to use dragons to resolve a succession crisis that the Iron Throne became an institution that existed because it was simply convenient to let it continue to exist.

Unfortunately for the Targs, they all seem to be in denial about the Dragons being gone and insist they themselves are just as good on their own.
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>>4095687
And that's why Rhaegar tried using a fucking sword of all weapons to try and kill someone in full plate wielding a hammer.

in all seriousness, westeros was truly cheated out of a prosperous rule by a couple of inbred
foreigners who never really adopted its ways. truly, these lottery winning incestous former dragon lords are worthy of being monarchs. maybe in another hundred years they would've built another dirt road or overly expensive temple that brings back fuck all for the crown. when there is a stupid noble girl with a wetness for pretty boys, there sadly won't be an albino who thinks he's the messiah reborn to kidnap her, get her family killed by his mad father, and plunge the kingdoms into a war that will shatter their paper dragon dynasty

truly a tragedy, those targaryen eastern brother-sister fuckers
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>>4095718
To be fair on the Targs, Westerosi incompetence doesn't exactly just apply only to them, as witnessed by the fact that there seems to be a trend amongst the Lords to spend their money building bigger and bigger castles until their budget can no longer afford the upkeep of such bloated fortifications, leaving tons of ruined castles across the countryside to remind everyone of the past glories when their current residents can barely keep them from collapsing.
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>>4095751
True, true. I still don't think any Westerosi has fucked up on the level of the Targs though. Not unless you count Lyanna.
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>>4094694
Let's move on

Kinda wanted to see what the old guild master wanted to say but I doubt it is anything useful for us
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>More scenes
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>Moving on
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> Moving on

You have now completed the tutorial arc for your first life.
You've got pocket money, starting equipment and a reasonable quantity of fame.

Big Question here is, what do wish to do next? The world is your proverbial oyster, and from here-on the possibilities stretch out to a near endless quantity.

From the mere pursuit of technology alone, the list of possible prospects goes on and on to near infinity.

Do you seek technology for power? For a quick cash grab? Simply to show off the superiority of your way of life? Perhaps to upset the world order itself? Who knows?

How does that reflect your current goals?
Will you travel the world to learn more about it?
Will you stake your claim in no-man's-land and build a civilization of unprecedented technological marvels?
Will you seek for a lord to serve and uplift them beyond their wildest dreams?
Will you create such machines of war that all the dragons of Old Valyria would not be enough to stop you?

At this point in time, you need something resembling of a plan and I cannot make one for you. At this moment, you choose the direction this quest is going to go.

> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
> [Mercenary work]: I wish to begin a storyline delving into the mercenary politics and their way of life. How things develop from there will be up to you.
> [Dread Pirate]: I wish to begin a storyline centering around maritime way of life, pirate politics and ship Naval battles.
> [Greatest Ally]: I wish to begin a storyline centering around being the greatest asset for character chosen by vote.
> [An Industrial sort of revolution]: I wish to begin a storyline centering around trying to seize control over the City of Lys itself through combination of economic and military means.
> [Genghis Khal]: Anything the Dothraki can you, surely you can do a million times better?
> [El Presidente beyond the Wall]: Attempt to start a settlement North of the Wall
> [A Big Fucking Hero]: Show up in a drastic moment of the story guns blazing and reap the rewards. (Saving Lyanna from Tower of Joy, Elia Martell from the Mountain or Rhaella Targaryen from her husband for example)
> [Write-in]: The canvas is blank, what follows next is entirely up to you.
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>>4096089
If we were to save Ellia Martell and the children, one could present the argument to the three kingsguard at the tower of joy that they best leave and present themselves to the eldest prince and princes instead of guarding a unborn babe of a lord paramount sister.
So that one dovetails into saving Lyanna kinda hard, if one can tail or outpace Eddard to the tower.
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>>4096089
> [Greatest Ally]: I wish to begin a storyline centering around being the greatest asset for character chosen by vote.
Jorah Mormont of Bear Island. He has an island and not taking advantage of its resouces,rather treat like a resort. We are gonna help him be git gud.
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>>4096089
> [Greatest Ally]: I wish to begin a storyline centering around being the greatest asset for character chosen by vote.
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>>4096089
>> [Genghis Khal]: Anything the Dothraki can you, surely you can do a million times better?
Lets shoot some horse niggers.
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>>4096089
El presidente
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>>4096091
You could also make a gun that fires beanbags on superposed loads and just bludgeon them with an unrelenting barrage of riot control rounds.
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>>4096089
El presidente or Genghis Khal
Let's do some conquest
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>>4096089
> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.

Let's set off for Stepstein island!
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>>4096089
>[El Presidente]
Since we're going for tech upgrades rather than martial god might this life. I'd rather go mercenary but I doubt that will get us much money for experiments. We're a savage hater so going pirate or Genghis Khal would be a massive headache for us.So too would being a fucking wildling herder, the anarchistic tribal fucks. Big fucking hero, industrial revolution, and greatest ally are painful Spacebattles-tier ideas we should never go for.
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>>4096089
> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
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>>4096089
> [El Presidente]
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>>4096089
>> [Write-in]: We gotta do whatever is necessary in order to create powered flight
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>>4096089
>> [El Presidente]
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>>4096089
>> [Genghis Khal]: Anything the Dothraki can you, surely you can do a million times better?
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>>4096089
>[El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
With a side goal of using our technology to genocide the Dothraki and conquer their lands.
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>>4096089
> [Write-in]
> [Grand Wizard]: Seek magic and occult knowledge
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>>4096089
>Will you travel the world to learn more about it?
let's join Gerion's expedition
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>>4096089
>[El Presidente]
We can start our schemes to take over trade through the Stepstones.

Plus, with all the knowledge we have and stuff we have to trade we should have no issues funding the colony (and squeezing the neighbouring City-States dry).
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>>4096089
> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.

Arkan, Arkan rules the waves. I will change to any of the other empire routes if they get enough support.
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is genghis khal basically us trying to make the mongol empire?
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>>4096229
Probably yeah, but with tech and shit, which makes you wonder why we would go for something as primitive
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>>4096089
> [El Presidente]
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>>4096215
>>4096223
Can we merge this two qm?
I mean, valyria has to be full of old magic, books, and spooky shit
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>>4096244
If you want to travel to shady places dripped in occult, that is an option.
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>>4096306
Can we start our settlement in a shady, occult place then?
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Sounds like a quick way to die. We can go Ancient Ruin diving after we get a proper nation state up and running.
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> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.

.> [Grand Wizard]: Seek magic and occult knowledge

>Will you travel the world to learn more about it?

Please lets combine these.

Stepstones as a base and lab, journeys and study of the occult so we can be magic super virgin and then plunder ruins in Essos while preparing for the big score in Valyria itself with Gerion.
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>>4096338
Even for El Presidente, it is not possible to be at two places at once.
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what's with all this Gerion dick riding? I thought we wanted out of westeros' bullshit for once
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>>4096331
So North of the Wall then? Or do you mean on the Shadow?
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>>4096346
On the shadow
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Mantarys is the last stop before entering Valyria and there are beast men and mutants to study to make our Witcher upgrades.

Asshai by the shadow is an option too.
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>>4096089
>Will you travel the world to learn more about it?
Can we still do this before becoming El Presidente? Both of them will take time but aren't mutually exclusive, we need a navy to hold the stepstones and we could just as easily use said navy to poke around Valyria a bit before we settle down.

>>4096343
Gerion's expedition to Valyria is our best chance to explore that place, all we need to do is get hired on to it, preferably with our own ship. The only other expedition we know about is Euron's many decades later after the next civil war. There are many places we could go to find occult knowledge, old valyrian ruins in the dothraki sea, or the far ends of the earth like Asshai. But Valyria is the *source* of such things and our primary objective is to find knowledge of the old flesh shaping techniques so that we can surpass our limited humanity and turn ourselves into a witcher supersoldier.

As far as I know the original plan going back to the end of our previous life was to witcher it up and then go for powered flight afterwards. We can easily do both, any power we gain from exploring would help us in our conquest afterwards.
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>>4096370
we can get greyscale and die for absolutely nothing after we get a nation state underway
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>>4096346
What's Shadow?
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>>4096378
Well, I seriously doubt that with your endurance the Greyscale would be able to actually kill you.
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>>4096392
Shadowlands, it's where Asshai is.
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>>4096398
Not after we're done with it.
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>>4096395
If it manages to hit our internals, we are for sure dead.
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>>4096089
>> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
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>>4096370
they are.
To be El Presidente is full time job.
No time for other part time jobs.
Its a choice between wandering scholar chad swordsman working on his juicer drugs.
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>>4096496
To be fair, El Presidente can just import all the sages, books and basilisk gizzard he needs instead of traipsing around for them himself.
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>>4096508
Man imagine if we cleared the Stepstones of pirates and made it a totally safe trade route.
We could order whatever the fuck we want.
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>>4096520
dude, if we clear the stepstones and impose a fair tariff on all goods passing through, we would be richer than the Iron Bank. I like!
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>>4096563
Look at me... LOOK AT ME!

I am the Faceless Man Master now.
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>>4096573
>I am the Faceless Man Master now.
We don't have the plot armor for it.
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>>4096089
>> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.

Wow I can't remember the last time i played tropico
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>>4096496
But they're not mutually exclusive. Conquering an island and exploring Valyria requires money, men and a fleet. We could just as easily do both in sequence, visit Valyria with our fleet as a shakedown cruise and get all the research material we could ever want. And then become El Presidente right afterwards using the wealth and prestige we gain from exploring. In this life we are well positioned to do both and I think we should, we might not get as lucky if we reroll the dice and reincarnate as a wildling or something.

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>>4096563
Control of the Stepstones is definitely the endgame here. Apart from people crossing the narrow sea almost all sea trade in westeros follows a coastline because navigation is fairly primitive. Simply taxing all of the traffic passing back and forth would make us richer than any king. We could even do it in such a way that makes everyone our friend, paying taxes sucks but so does losing an entire ship. If we clear out the pirates and declare neutrality everyone gets to become filthy rich and will be disinclined to fight with us. There will still be state backed privateers but we can hire our navy out to protect trade convoys once the real pirates are all dead.
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>>4096634
Oh that's another thing. With our knowledge, any fleet we assemble is gonna be uncontested in our waters.
We'd essentially have a whole island chain to ourselves and a proper network to the rest of the civilized world.
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>>4096089
>[El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.

CAN YOU FEEL IT MR. CRABS
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>>4096089
>> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
City-state quest begins. Would be good to have a sponsor though. Perhaps become a sister colony for a bit? If a fleet shows up, we don't have the hammer of waters, we will get wrecked. (barring valyrian dragon horn whistle bullshit or some other ancient weapon of mass destruction...) I can definitely see the appeal of going full colonist mode though. We have the skill set to make it work and the ability to specialize in valuable goods.
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It looks like we really will be El Presidente Arkan of Arkaña and the Arkañol.

spanish will obviously be the official language of our new nation
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>>4096766
we already have a lot of sponsor, the'yre just on the ships sailing through the islands
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>>4096766
It would be nice to have but we don't really need another Hammer because we don't plan on blockading Essos again. A small fleet of Long Night type ships and some cannons to defend out settlement would suffice.

We could also come up with a newer design that's built for speed like the LN but uses the hybrid steam propulsion from the Hammer.
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>> [El Presidente]: I wish to begin a storyline to secure one of the Islands of Stepstones as a ruler of an independent settlement. Where to go from there remains to be seen.
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>>4097246
The steam engine in the Hammer was nifty but I believe almost totally useless.
With a pair of proper Warships we could beat any navy in the world, and building only two of them might not be all that pricey, once we get things off the ground.
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>>4097839
Nigga what? The steam engine is what made the ship great in the first place. Nevermind the industrial applications of the power of a raging river in your backyard. Get your shit straight man.
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>>4097841
So in terms of Tyrosh all the movement we did was sail south with the wind.
With the Myr we sailed into the wind, which sure would of been a shock. Yet still even if we sat still would would of still light up their ships before even one could reach us.
Yet still before they broke they literally were still at least one block away from ramming us.

With two ships would would cut through them so much faster its unlikely that even one thousand ships could take us down.
The engine was cool, but less value than a second ship and far more costly in terms of our personal time.

And personal time is the only thing of real value because with that we could get most anything else.
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>>4096089
> [Mercenary work]: I wish to begin a storyline delving into the mercenary politics and their way of life. How things develop from there will be up to you.
> [A Big Fucking Hero]: Show up in a drastic moment of the story guns blazing and reap the rewards. (Saving Lyanna from Tower of Joy, Elia Martell from the Mountain or Rhaella Targaryen from her husband for example)
These IMHO would be the most interesting as they can easily shift into all the others.

If we want to be El Presidente, instead of staring straight up with bare-bones funds and connections, making money and contacts in essos and having some serious allies in westeros by saving important family members would allow our Island nation to be at least way way more easily tolerated than every other piratical smuggling village in the Stepstones, and we could start with some hardcore fighters to go for a bigger settlement from the start instead of a dinky island with a couple of people hoping the next ship will trade something we can use and that they have the money to buy our shit and not the numbers to take it.
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> [Mercenary work]: I wish to begin a storyline delving into the mercenary politics and their way of life. How things develop from there will be up to you.
> [A Big Fucking Hero]: Show up in a drastic moment of the story guns blazing and reap the rewards. (Saving Lyanna from Tower of Joy, Elia Martell from the Mountain or Rhaella Targaryen from her husband for example)
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>>4097865
You could at least attempt to hide the obvious samefag.
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>Loyal supporters of El Presidente
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>"Free thinkers"
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A landslide victory for El Presidente and with only marginal vote rigging taking place! Truly a victory for alternative democracy!
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Right, so what is essentially going to happen now is that I'll take some time to generate a rough outline and some materials for this new upcoming arc.

I will need to create a more detailed political map for the various factions at Stepstones as well as the possible options of how to rise to sufficient wealth and reputation to attract enough of a following to allow you to start your own nation.

Being a 15 year old gold medalist who beat 50 Dothraki on his own is a great start for the legend of El Presidenty.

You will however need at least the following.
>Followers
>An Island
>Weapons
>A source of income

We will tackle that issue once I manage to generate a storyline as this was a branching point beyond which I could not really make any plans.

Feel free to come up with a name or a flag, a political message or any other means of galvanizing people to follow you into greatness.
You already possess the technology to make a printing press, so that will go a long way in providing an income if nothing else works.
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so here is my plan,we make printing press and use Niiro to sell books. also start a secret distillery with niiro also as the seller.
the flag will be again the imperial double headed eagle on a red and yellow flag.
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>>4097988
I know we already have treadle lathes and lost wax casting, but do we have any method of producing a proper metalworking lathe?
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>>4097988
We may as well ride off of our most notable feat if we're gonna come up with an emblem.
To keep it simple, my idea was to have a greatsword sticking out of the ground with a horse shoe resting on the guard, with the whole thing on a star-burst shape to symbolize the bombs we used to even the odds.
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>>4097988
Given we won the swimming race and the stepstones are islands I think our symbol needs to do with water.

We can also use the Dothraki killing - maybe we can use 50 in roman numerals (L) and a sword in the flag as well.
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>>4097988
>a flag
A white wyvern holding a gun in its claws.
Perhaps standing in the middle of a sun which represents progress?
>a political message
While I believe we should have a massive advanatge when it comes to political theories and bullshitting. It is probably not that useful given state of the world and its people.
Perhaps start with a bit easier political messages and add some roman flavour with a dose of Afrikaner-Boer-East India Company?
>any other means of galvanizing people to follow you into greatness
Maybe quality of life "inventions"? Weapons nobody else has?
We can also capitalize on our meta knowledge of the future. Prophetic actions and luck tends to attract people.
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>>4097988
>kill smiling knight
>join oberyns merc company for some time
>break the blockade on storms end a few days after davos with a bigger shipwhile remaining incognito
>save Ellia Martell and reveal wildfire plot and clear Jaime Lannisters name
>save Lyanna
>help Stanis capture Rhaella and Viserys
>have Oberyn compete in the tourney at Highgarden and then heal Willas to jot be a cripple.
It is kinda big damn hero intervention mixed with merc
But we get a potentially loyal merc company if oberyn is persuaded to remain captain with us as the new patron
And we get good reputation in westeros especially with the Baratheons (mention the targ kids are Roberts nephews perhaps as we go capturing the full set) , Starks and Martells maybe even Tyrells if the butterfly does not flap too hard on that and the Lannisters kind of ambivalent as we fuck up Tywins play but make his son also into a big damn hero , securing the west from almost any intervention and Lys as the homeboy we only have to be wary initially of Tyrosh and Myr.
And with Oberyns merc men we can storm and hold Castle Bloodstone, while the Royal Fleet of Westeros and the continent at large will think fondly of us to attract a lot of bastard hedge knights or second sons to our banner.
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>>4098005
Imperium of man?
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>>4097988
will we kill more people in the name of profit and continue to improve our skills, specifically learning magic and mutigens, then use the knowledge and resources to peruse the El president goal?
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>>4098164
maube, more like German Empire
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>>4096920
I still want this.

let us work through this task with meme magic of the highest order
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>>4098164
Of course not!
Everyone already knows that El Presidente is already perfect and as such, cannot be improved upon!
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>>4098225
I have to disagree.
El Presidente is not perfect, but he's still far better than everybody else. His aspirations towards inevitable perfection only serve to inspire the citizens of Arkaña to reach every greater heights.
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I propose a Tricolor. They are easy to see, make, and understand. The rule of thumb for flags is to make them as simple as you can, while retaining its identity.
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I propose the French tricolor.
We should call our new Lands the "Dukedom of the Shattered Isle"
And we should endeavor to attract people through the promise that in absence of guilds and other entrenched systems that any person could see a rise in status due to their own talent rather than kissing ass.
And we really ought to get a better working distillery.
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Oh and I suppose as a bonus we could finish not!penicillin and trade people a cure for the incurable in exchange for them to come work our lands as free labors.
Offer them a plot of land to work and protection.
Plus we could sell each dose for an ass ton.
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>>4097988
everyone hates the pirate islands we just need a sponsor from a powerful leader or to be a pirate lackey and MUTINY
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In all seriousness though I'm going to be pissed if we're locked out of magic/self improvement/flight for the rest of this life. People have been talking about those paths since the end of our previous life over half a year ago and they didn't even appear as an option in the vote.

>>4098578
>Socialized medicine
A good start for recruitment. Sell the cure to the rich and use the money to cure the poor in return for their labor. And creating a kingdom with, if not NO guilds, then at least forward thinking guilds that prize new ideas would attract many people who chafe under the current stagnation. We can't possibly be the only one out there.
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>>4097988
>Followers
Isn't our best bet mercing it up to build up a company of men who can fight so we can actually take and hold the fucking island? Beyond that I think treating sick slaves will work very well and whoever volunteers to follow.
>Island
I honestly got no idea which islands exist there and their related quirks.

>Weapons
We need a big ass forge for guns/armor and smelter to create cannons. A supply line for gunpowder will also have to be set up. So we will need to find some merchants to make mass purchases from.

>Income
Previously we know how to make potent booze. We had the basics for a factory line. In this life, we are also developing medicine as a new source of potential income. Personally I think our best bet is to build a distillery for that steady income ASAP. While working on gaining a large smithy and smelter for our personal efforts. Once we have some solid results for medicine we can also start to sell that. I don't think we have enough time to also create a manufacturing line while developing medicine.
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>>4099279
Beyond grenades to storm a castle we should not bother with gunpowder weapons for the initial assault

With the equivalent of something like two dozen knights and a nice hefty bag of grenades and breaching charges we could take Castle Bloodstone.
We want to have the gun production on the island not somewhere else where it is going to be seized the moment the kill monster is not there, and to start with i do not think we need more than say half a dozen or so cannon and powder and shot for a hundred rounds or so for each, that once we have sized the castle we will want to install, preferably with guncrews waiting for the all clear.

Once that done we have ourselves a castle overlooking a port town, and the guns to reach everything in it.
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>>4099338
Yeah, but how can we make those guns, bombs, and cannons in the first place? Now while I don't want a large facility as frankly we just need a temporary site so we can create the initial amount we need to take the island so we can build a proper facility. Most of what we need can be found in most blacksmiths and foundries in the world currently. What we do need to make special we either destroy or take with us to the island. Plus how are we going to get a bunch of knights to follow us or men to hold the island? As we need ship crews, an army, and manpower. It's not something we can rush into right away. As for gaining a bunch of knights that's a joke. While we can make the armor we aren't skilled enough to train any and fat chance persuading any to come from Westeros of all places. MAYBE we can hire some rogue or hedge knights if we get really lucky. I really can't think of a better way to gain an army then by going merc for a time and gaining a ship crew through hunting pirates. It's not like we are a lord already who can easily dredge up an army whenever.
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Propose this flag. Good colours, not too expensive, Aquila and we replace the phrase with Tropico, some laurels or nothing at all. Also has a roman feel so bonus points.
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>>4099541
Fuck off.
Not again.
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>>4099338
Where are you going to get two dozen knights?
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>>4097924
Rumors about loyal soldiers of the most gracious El Presidente being present with voters during the election process are completely unfounded. As are the rumors of them being held at gun point. Glory to the most Glorious El Presedente.

"Spoken by a upstanding citizen who was NOT being held at gun point..."
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just a thought but did anyone thought of making and selling makeup not made of lead?
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>>4100013
Cosmetics don't really have a massive buyer base at this point, and the people who do buy makeup are better off getting poisoned anyways.
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>>4100155
aren't we at lys? the whore capital of the world? i've never seen a prostitute not wearing make up.
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>>4100500
lyseni whores are bred to be attractive enough that they'd never need makeup
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>>4100503
then make Emollients lotions to keep their skin fresh?

just throwing up some money ideas and personally don't want arkan to be a dermatologist/skin care baron or a start a body worship cult
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>>4099556
Roberts Rebellion
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Any names you guys got in mind for your upcoming nation?
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>>4101215
Arkania?
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>>4101215
Stepistan
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>>4101215
Sticking with Arkaña
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>>4101225
>Stepistan
Not Stepistanian Syndical Federative National Totalist Free People's Republic (SSFNTFPR for short)?
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We shall call it Arkanus
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>>4101271
Well now its just basically Arkansas
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>>4101215
Arkansas
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>>4101215
Arkanos
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>>4101215
Tropicstan.
With the Capital City of Tropico
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>>4101215
Supporting >>4101237
The Imperium of Arkaña
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>>4101215
Tropico
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let's settle all civil conflicts like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF82Wue_VPE
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>>4101215
>Arkania was covered with tundra and rich in diamonds and other precious minerals

fuck yeah voting for arkania
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ARKANIA RULES THE WAVES
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>>4101345
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>>4101215

El Presidente supports the glorious nation of Tropico
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>>4101215
Arkania

I was a bit partial to Arkadian from the Scorpion King, but Arkania just makes more sense because its our name.
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Arkanopolis
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so what's the arkan house qoute? if there is a plan for one
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>>4102854
"Fucking Dothraki SHITS!"
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>>4102854
To be fair, you don't legally even have a surname because you don't actually inherit your family name in Lys unless you're the heir so it's entirely up to you to make a name for yourself.

Although by the looks of it, it seems like you'll be Arkan of house Arkan, the ruler of Arkania.
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>>4102930
Dear god please no. Thats so autistic it hurts.

Arkan The X of Tropico

X: -Great
-Wise
-Swole
-Magnificent
-Mad
-Whateveryouthinkfits

Lets not be a retard, anon. Please.
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>>4102932
Na keep it, it's great! haha
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>>4102930
>>4102932
>>4102933

Arkan The Great of House the Noble and Honorable House of Arkansas, Ruler of Arkania, Hegemon of the Stepstones pending renaming to the Arkanian Archipelago.
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>>4102930
>it's entirely up to you to make a name for yourself.
What's Latin for "bread"?
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>>4102958
Panem. Which the Hunger Games already did.
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>>4102957
Supporting.
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>>4102958
Polish is 'chleb' (pronounced like you're hawking a loogie).
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>>4102963
And Hunger Games is so fucking lame that we'd be doing the concept a service by putting it on our fuckhueg character.
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>>4102972
True
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>>4102957
Founder of cities of Arkanopolis, Arkangrad and Akranburg, creator of Arkan University, starter of technocratic movement of arkanists and model for a monumental Colossus of Arkana.
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>>4102930
Arkan of Astora
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>>4102930
So what about Arkan Duran?
It sounds good, has a stupid in joke only we'll get, and we can pick one of the best songs of the 80s as our national theme.
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>>4103093
NOW YOU STEAL MY HOUSE'S ANCIENT NAME, DO YOU?

Durran Durrandon was a stupid name for the literal cuckhouse. I bet the goddess he sacrificed everything for fucked another guy because he was too into her.
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>>4103102
Okay yeah, but those guys are faggots. Duran Duran deserves much better.
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It just hit me when I went to the discord to lurk at the shitposts.

Arkon Sokolov of Arkaña.
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>>4103172
Sokolov?
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>>4103194
Sokolov.
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>>4103080
This
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>>4103172
This. Arkan Sokolov.
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>>4103243
Fuck it. Better this than Arkan Arkan the Arkan of Arkanstan Arkansas, Arkania.
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>>4103172
Mm, Arkon Sokolov. Suppin'
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>>4103243
Agreed
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>>4103172
I have to support this
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So in honor of the tropico theme i think we should rock the suit during ceremonies and the medals hanged on it about our deeds "medal of endurance" etc.
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>>4103172
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OOVYxh7dchY
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>>4103243
Sounds good.
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ded quest?
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>>4104501
Much like the protagonist, this quest never truly dies.

it does get kind of sleepy and have to take a nap from time-to-time, though.
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>>4104501
Not dead, but I couldn't exactly make any storylines past this point beforehand because I didn't know if this was gonna be about adventure, politics, westeros, essos, dothraki, wildlings or what.

I am writing the next arc, but I will only post updates after I got something to work with. Every time I go and let you go full sandbox, you die in 5 minutes.
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>>4104587
That was a fluke and you know it.
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>>4104588
>I am one of the minority of voters that voted to take cover.
Revere me all, for I had the foresight of not trying to 1v1 an assassin while we had an entire guard retinue.
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>>4104597
pussy
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>>4104597
There was just as much chance we'd have fluffed our roll to take cover as to successfully return fire.
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>>4104762
There wasn't tho
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>>4104587
>Every time I go and let you go full sandbox, you die in 5 minutes.

but daaaaaaaaad!
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>>4104587
Lets try dying in 1 minute this time.
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>>4104763
I'm preeeeetty sure there more-or-less was.
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>>4106960
Nope, there wouldn't even have been a roll.
QM confirmed.
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Looks like you're taking Sokolov as your surname and Arkania as the name of your country.

Feel free to post ideas on what sort of colors or iconography you want.
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>>4107210
Od Bihaća do Petrovca sela, do Petrovca sela Srpska zemlja napadnuta cela, napadnuta cela
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>>4106962
Oh.
Well if word of god says so, then fair enough.
Pic unrelated.
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>>4107221
I do like this flag, the golden trident on blue could play well with a rich naval theme.
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>>4107210
As for our anthem:
Anything by Nightcore, really. Might I suggest: - https://youtu.be/hjGZLnja1o8
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>>4107210
i'm down with any flag but personal emblem must contain this
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>>4107792
i don't think pirates have that much vocal range for that national anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXFpczlzdmc
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>>4107851
I gotchu.
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Guys...guys! What if...we created “blast knuckles” that are pressure activated shotgun shells that are set off by punching something. Then create an elite force of pugilists who use them and call them punch wizards?
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>>4107879
Fuck outta here with your shitty RWBY garbage weapon.
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>>4107865
SIG HEIL MUSCLE, I really want to be powerful.
SIG HEIL MUSCLE, I really want to gain lands (YES!)
SIG HEIL MUSCLE, because I really want to be EL PRESIDENTE
Oh (I'm doing it!) Ha (I'm doing it!)
SIG HEIL MUSCLE
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Purple background for our Imperial Self and White Phoenix on top
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>>4107865
>>4107902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYQ4yfWyYpM
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>>4107210
Supporting this>>4107865
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Do we want to keep true to our Braavosian heritage as El Presidente in terms of dress or do we want to just go hard towards the classical dictator look?
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>>4107865
Now that's a badge to put on one's dictator cap. Just needs some laurels around it.
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>>4107865
Based
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>>4108657
Supporting muscle flag. I dont even care if this might be a joke this is awesome.
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I can imagine Arkanian sailors being known for their sculpted muscles and well rounded combat doctrine.
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>>4109308
wrestling is also a yearly sport along with pageantry for men and women, the world's oil supply will run dry during those days
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>>4108657
Ok then
Now in a Blue and Gold variety!
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>>4109804
Whoops, had to fix something.
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>>4109808
https://youtu.be/FTE3sMM2H9I
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>>4109848
COMMIE GET OUT REEEEEEEE
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>>4109860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc
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>>4109802
>>4109308
Whenever people think of a poop-deck full of seamen, or taking an old hand up the windward passage, they'll think of Arkania!
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>>4109808
I'll go you one better than that, chief.

Anthem, of course, can be on other than https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
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The flag has to be viable to put onto everything, so we probaly cant use too many colours?
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>>4109808
SOLD
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>>4102930
Ah yes, the sultan Sultan of the Sultan sultanate route. I approve.
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>>4109808
Backing this.
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>>4109808
It's really catchy, supporting
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>>4109988
Oh god no, go back

>>4109808
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>>4109804
Kind of like the Blue and Gold variant more
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>>4109988
we are too manly to be fisting gays and get shit on our hands
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>>4109988
GO BACK
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>>4110548
>too manly for fisting
Isn't that like being too tall for basketball?
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>>4109808
MUSCLE

>>4109988
GO BACK
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Looks like your banner will be a... muscle swastika.
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>>4111941
The Whey-fan SS.
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>>4111941
As it should be, we are the true Ubermensch Hitler and Nietzsche would be proud
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this alive again?
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>>4111941
I have an idea for our character's likeness
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>our sigil is a swolestika
perfection
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>>4114094
i think it will be a national flag, no one else brought any ideas for a national one, exept for one guy who pushed for the france flag
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>>4114123
its not really a national flag, more like a personal sigil / banner/coat of arms
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Oh, oh; I got another one:

The thousand-rep reich.
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Ourobourous.

Symbol of Infinity.
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https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

Maybe tomorrow, maybe after tomorrow. Soon anyway.
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>>4114665
Alright, I've got it settled.

>Key #1
The Military/our right hand, man should be either a freed slave we groomed to be the image of manlihood for our country or a good friend.
>Key #2
Parliament/Medieval IRS, a business man who understands corruption would be inefficient and get him killed by key #1 or El Presidente himself
>Key #3
Cult of El Presidente/Office of Propaganda, someone who well believes in the truth of El Presidente and his godliness.
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>>4114665
i had a feeling someone will link this CGP vid lol
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>>4114763
our last life already had good keys to start our rule, that was maesters.

they are a ridiculously OP ritunue,
the only true downside to them is they have very few open minded people in their order and stubborn to most things.

Although i must admit it's even harder to find one willing to serve someone outside the seven kingdoms we could argue the islands was technically part of it once? we need to talk to the dragon king again for that.
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>>4114853
We could just sell our secrets to the Maesters in exchange for their cooperation.
It's not like they'd be commonplace if we did anyhow.
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>>4114853
We could try to get some failed loyalists.
Men without anyone to run to could be solid fighting men once we get running. Although I doubt that they would sell their swords to us unless we seem like a good prospect.

It would give us about 1-1.5 years to get something going to attract them.
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also a little history for our would be tropico islands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AinHMjsnOxk
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>>4114913
troops area quite easy to get if we Baelished our way with both sides.

the real problem is recruiting our own standing army which no doubt will be deased locals, it's a good thing we have a good physician
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>>4114926
Very informative. Thank-you, anon.
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So here's a list to make our dream tropico island come true

1.Convince both sides to make us a buffer kingdom
2.Convince the targs to withdraw their forts
3.Get good statesmen and soldiers

If someone else wants to add please do.
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>>4114981
Are the Targs gonna be in power by the time we actually get things rolling?
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>>4114985
Probably not. If so, it'd be fun pissing on their faces before Bobby D hammers their ass.
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>>4114985
nope this is why we have to hammer a deal now

hidden in the contract deal should be "all westerosi ships would travel freely in arkania as long as the targaryans are in charge" in all the legal jargons the same to the current leader of the free cities. they will probably scoff that of cuz they will think arkania should not have any power to collect tolls

Let the free cities have unsullied.
Let westeros have knights.
Let the dothraki have horses.

But they will know soon enough that arkania.
Rules the waves.
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>>4114385
bitch, we ain't takeshi kovacs

symbol is cool tho
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>>4115070
forget link shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY
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>>4115070
>>4115084
when will we try this?
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>>4115070
How about "all ships under the Targaryan reign may travel freely through Arkania."
That way it seems to give an option for non westerosi ships sailing for them when in reality it just nulls the contract once they fall.
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State enforced Macros when?
Monthly gains exam?
Lifting priests giving seminars on optimal gains?

>Non-lifting tax
>Exceeded Macros tax
>Land lover tax
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>>4115094
What a cnut.
https://youtu.be/KeQVq7nqEK0
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>>4114853
Maesters were kinda redundant as even if you removed them, you could still rule.

You could not however, remove your army nor the mayor.
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>>4115070
That seems quite pointless.
I mean, for one, nobody will initially recognize the legitimacy nor sovereignty of your government.

I honestly doubt Targs would even bother seeing you unless you rivaled the other free cities in influence and power.

Finally, a piece of paper promising free passage through stepstones means you weaken your casus belli, because it can be interpreted that Robert IS part of the Targaryen dynasty as its legitimate heir, meaning it is actually EASIER for him to bring the full brunt of Westeros against you while using this later as a show for his claim to the Throne.

Meanwhile, a sovereign nation which has not signed any treaties has full right to collect whatever tariffs they wish.
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We need friends on both sides of the ocean for this to work properly.
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>>4115651
We really don't. If we can make another gunboat or even three, we'd have more than enough to conquer the world through sheer embargo power. All we need is loyal men, weapons, and land.
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>>4115653
we still need money to fund all that

also for those who don't want to go wiki binging
here's a tldr of our future eastern neighbors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmdbKQY6ZI

>>4115425
Conquer by power then!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoF9HUvYPKs
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Preparation time: You may prepare up to 5 years and you have roughly 14 000ss (66gd) initial budget. More money can be earned by spending time on research and working.

[ Funding Increase opportunities ]
> Raw Penicillin Mold: <Requires Antibiotics I> ( Can work as physician to earn 10 gd a month in Lys)
> Consumer Grade Penicillin: <Requires Antibiotics II> ( Can work as physician 50 gd a month in Lys)
> Set up a bootleg copyshop: ( Can operate a printing business to earn 20gd a month after completion ) - 2 weeks construction time
> Shortsell the copyshop to Niiro for 3 year's profits: ( 200gd paid immediately with a 420gd debt standing. ) - Must have worked copyshop for month.

[ Manpower ]
> Buy a skilled slave 1000ss each + 100ss fir a year's worth of supplies.
> Buy an unskilled slave 400ss each + 100ss for a year's worth of supplies.
> Hire some plebs [ Supplies and salaries cost 210ss for about a year's service. ]

[ Training / Personnel ] (1 year each)
> Propagandist training - Gain the services of a great artist
> Combat Training - Gain the services of a great fighter
> Guerilla Training - Gain the services of a great survivalist
> Warfare Training - Gain the services of a retired commander

[ Transportation ]
> Purchase a Longship [ 25g ]
> Purchase a Cog [ 50g ]
> Purchase a War Galley [ 100g ]
> Design your own ship [ Depends on vehicle ]
> Pay for transport only [ 1g ]

[ Military advances ]
> A Gatling Gun <Requires Centerfire Cartridges> <Requires Machine Tools> <Takes a month to construct>
> A Flammenwerfer <Requires Petrol and Pressurized canister research> [300ss + 3 days to make each]
> Muskets [ 200ss + 1 week per gun or 300ss + 3 days]
> Rifles [ Same as musket, except add 100ss and 2 days per gun.]
> A Falconet [ 6300ss + 3 weeks for a forged cannon ]
> Powder reserve [ 1000ss for a 1000 musket shot worth of powder and ammo. 2 week acquisition time for each barrel. ]

[ Technology]:
> Portable Steam Engine [ 25gd ] [ 3 months crafting]
> Machine tools [ 50gd ] [ 6 months crafting ] (requires a power source)
> Centerfire Cartridges [ 100 gd ] [ 1 year of research ]
> Petrol [ 5gd and 2 months of research ]
> Antibiotics I [ 1 month ]
> Antibiotics II [ 10gd and 4 months ]
> Industrial Distilleries [ 3gd 2 months ]
> Concrete [ 40gd 1 year ]
> Plywood [ 30gd 5 months ]

You can spend up to 60 months in this stuff, sorry if it's a bit confusing.
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Oh, also give me 4d6 persuasion roll to see how many people you can sway to join you on charisma alone.

Your don't need to pay for these guys
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Rolled 5, 3, 3, 1 = 12 (4d6)

>>4116154
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We don't really need treaties with any of the powers. We are too small to be worth it at the start and too prickly to remove later. Then we just steamroller. No need to chain ourselves to foreign powers. This goes doubly if we want to cultivate the El Presidente cult.
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Rolled 2, 3, 1, 2 = 8 (4d6)

>>4116154
> Industrial Distilleries [ 3gd 2 months ]
> Antibiotics I [ 1 month ]
> Antibiotics II [ 10gd and 4 months ]
> Consumer Grade Penicillin: <Requires Antibiotics II> ( Can work as physician 50 gd a month in Lys) x2
> Set up a bootleg copyshop: ( Can operate a printing business to earn 20gd a month after completion ) - 2 weeks construction time
> Shortsell the copyshop to Niiro for 3 year's profits: ( 200gd paid immediately with a 420gd debt standing. ) - Must have worked copyshop for month. - 1 month
> Centerfire Cartridges [ 100 gd ] [ 1 year of research ]
> Powder reserve [ 1000ss for a 1000 musket shot worth of powder and ammo. 2 week acquisition time for each barrel. ] x2
> Rifles [ 400ss and 5 days per gun.] x9
> Purchase a Longship [ 25g ]
> Purchase a Cog [ 50g ]
> Buy a skilled slave 1000ss each + 100ss fir a year's worth of supplies. x 7, (3 smiths , 2 carpenters, 1 doc, 1 free to offset our personal services)
> Hire some plebs [ Supplies and salaries cost 210ss for about a year's service. ]

22 months if my headmath is right, just about before Robert starts his rebellion
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>>4116155
>>4116168
12/ 8
some eminently shit roll.
Quick do the sacrifices to the dice and let a luck touched anon roll
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Rolled 3, 3, 2, 3 = 11 (4d6)

>>4116154
WITNESS TRUE CHADRISMA
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Rolled 1, 2, 4, 5 = 12 (4d6)

This roll does not count, it only depletes the dice.
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So when we build our air-ship, are we going to use readily available hydrogen and just hope no-one flicks a match at us, or are we going to try and work out how to get our hands on helium in a pseudo-medieval setting?
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So, I have this setup to propose.

The reason for the large amounts of tech is the opportunities it offers us to rapidly expand (Instead of building a castle for 12 years we pour a concrete one in half a year; instead of wasting months on hand-crafting machine parts we can mill then in a week - like parts for a new gatling or a nail making machine). And while the initial funds are not spectacular, 190 Gold is more than enough to buy basic goods for our nascent colony (especially if we pick a resource-rich island to exploit).

Give me your thoughts.

>>4116168
As to this, why should we care about Westerosi fuckery? Its a dumpsterfire at the moment and unless we go all in into the Westerosi knight spiel again, we wont gain much at all.
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>>4116291
Hydrogen. Unlike what the memes say, hydrogen zeppelins were as stable as their helium counterparts wile being both cheaper and better. The gas became an issue with incendiary machinegun rounds. Unless we are retarded enough to park the thing in the middle of a battlefield its a non-issue (keep in mind the skin has layers).
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>>4116299
Seems like a good plan, I'd support it, I'm just concerned about having so little funds to start out.
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>>4116328
Keep in mind we have all tools needed to jumpstart a colony from day 1 with this. Especially with the concrete tech. Though I do agree that this relies on us having enough local resources to exploit so we should be looking at a rather rich island (which we should be able to take with 2 cannons and a gatling mind you).
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4116155
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You had ability to reroll 1's on persuasion rolls, so now you got 16 free dudes.
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>>4116371
But 5+3+3+6 equals 17
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>>4116373
Ok

>>4116299
Why two ships btw? A longship alone can fit 50 people.
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>>4116299
Supporting this gentleman's plan, I believe the cog can be used for early trading.
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>>4116299
drop the cog, get more skilled slaves or manpower.
With our setup we should get a shipyard done relatively fast and we can do our own ship faster.
Skilled workers are going to help us more to build up our islands into a true DOOMISLAND(tm)
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>>4116411
I'm fine with switching it for a couple carpenters and some chaff and spending money.
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>>4116411
>>4116299
Also, drop enough rifles to get us one month of 50 Gp medicine man so we can market the shit out of penicillin in person so we can create a massive demand in lys for it.
and then invest the cash into some more skilled slaves
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>>4116299
supporting
lets become the dark wizard lord of stepstones
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>>4116371
Could we buy slaves to work the copy shop so in brings in extra cash with out the need of us to spend time working in it the years before our departure?
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>>4116299
Anon when you did your spread sheet I noticed you did not include original funds in with the funding.
You are missing about 66 gold dragons worth of wealth.
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>>4116464
Right you are. Even more dough for us. I suppose we can spurge on more manpower but we dont know what we are missing until we get to the islands. Then again we can always use more simple manpower when setting up a colony.
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>>4116469
Also if you are putting four weeks into each month there are only 28 days in a month.
If it was 30 days (the average number of days in a month being 30.42 using the Georgian calendar) that it close to 18 weeks worth of work you are rounding away.
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>>4116476
Couldnt be assed. Since I assumed months work the same both ways and we only have a few things dealing with weeks its a moot point imo. You can do the recalculation if you want but you wont win 18 weeks out of it that I guarantee you.
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>>4116433
The main work isn't printing the books, it's selling them.
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>>4116299
Why are we bothering with stone masons if we are getting concrete? Surely we'd be better off with other specialists given the material they specialise in is literally being replaced with a superior one.

>>4116490
Well we've got at least 17 people who are joining us for free, chances are we can convince at least a few of them to do that for us.
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My suggested budget unlike xvbdfuLi lacks the longship and second stonemason.
But I think with the think the assumed large use of concrete the need for a second stone Manson is lesser.
And it seems we would lack sufficient armaments for a ship and a fort the best bet is just to hope no one spots our trade cog sailing about.
Also I added 10 more unskilled slaves and thirty plebs, as well as three muskets but you could just repalce the muskets with an extra rifle.
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>>4116540
I also forgot to calculate the number of free bodies joining us so the manpower should be upped from 54 people to 71 people.
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As I realize I am putting way to much work into this here are some minor fixes to math as well as a manpower column.
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>>4116291
the stepstones are notorious for freak and powerful storms so we have to be careful when to launch it if ever we make one.

>>4116604
supporting

i really hope we can roll to see if some pleb or slave show potential to become a grenaider captain during training
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>>4116168

Changing >>4116403
to >>4116604
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>>4116760

Meant to reply to >>4116148
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>>4116148
>>4116604
Support
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Anyone else having trouble with the captcha? Sometimes it just spins for a while and goes back to an empty box. No check mark or error message.
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>>4116148
> Set up a bootleg copyshop: ( Can operate a printing business to earn 20gd a month after completion ) - 2 weeks construction time
> Shortsell the copyshop to Niiro for 3 year's profits: ( 200gd paid immediately with a 420gd debt standing. ) - Must have worked copyshop for month.

> Hire some plebs [ Supplies and salaries cost 210ss for about a year's service. ]
So 5 years means 1050 per pleb. Plebs we can take with us as well.
> Purchase a Cog [ 50g ]
Make it 2 Cogs for 100g

> Muskets [ 200ss + 1 week per gun or 300ss + 3 days]
>A Falconet [ 6300ss + 3 weeks for a forged cannon ]
> Powder reserve [ 1000ss for a 1000 musket shot worth of powder and ammo. 2 week acquisition time for each barrel. ]
> Antibiotics I [ 1 month ]
> Industrial Distilleries [ 3gd 2 months ]
> Portable Steam Engine [ 25gd ] [ 3 months crafting]
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Rolled 1, 2, 3, 5 = 11 (4d6)

>>4116148
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Maybe we should try a submarine instead? Captain Nemo all up in this bizziach?

https://youtu.be/rkGBL5xdU6A
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>>4116604
Should point out that Engineer/Architect slaves don't count as skilled slaves, but as learned slaves and can run you 50g to buy.

Also, there's no accountants, you can buy a literate slave as a recordkeeper, but he won't be the same thing as an actual accountant, he will just have the necessary skillset for keeping inventory and nothing else.
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>>4116604
Also, nearly 50% of your population will be slaves at this rate.
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>>4117267
How many people can fit onto a cog?
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>>4117313
Anyways here is a 3rd revision without the Distilleries given how it seems to be a fairly fast research, plus the need for complex parts just for it. (along with food harvests)
Also dropped the Engineer in light of high price and added 2 months work as a doctor to offset the cost of hiring 130 more plebs.
I did not think about the odds of a slave trying to run away or revolt, plus I think the added manpower will help better set up the colony even faster.
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One thing to consider is that having our own ship means we can do multiple trips.

But of we really want it all in one we can charter transport in addition.

Thus why a longboat might be good. If we go for the gat gun we can take over the best island with force so it would do us good to be able to actually do a beach landing and not need to use a port.

Once that is done we can have the chartered boats come in with all we want and be done in one go, as if we load up hard on supplies and slaves a cog might also not do it for all of it.

Luckily it seems we have attracted 17 volunteers. Hope thy are all swolleadepts as that is what we will be needing most for the start.
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>>4116604
I can switch to this but I would really reccomend anons to cough up for an architect/engineer due to the fact that we will be doing *a lot* of construction work (ideally even with concrete) and we cant be all places at once. A guy who makes sure the buildings will actually stay upright and tank a catapult is essential if we want to get anything done ourselves.

If we want more plebs for manpower that is fine by me but I wouldnt drop the tech since food is cheap and booze is a good currency to have in pirate waters.

Also, the slaves should be turned into indentured servants when we land and given a fixed time (say 3 years) to work off their debt. That way we should be able to avoid a lot of the slave-related problems. And also treating them like actual human beings.
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>>4117391
I would disagree in regards to our construction needing to take catty shots.
For the short term I would think a cheaper squad concrete building with an emphasis for letting our forces take shots within safety.
And I doubt any pirate force near here is sailing around with working siege engines. The need to resist them is an investment into make our works unbreakable when a better investment would be to make many of them and have each one play into a wider network of forts that would be prohibitively costly to take and hold against us compared to the value of taking them.

And while the booze will still be useful I don't see us having a chance to fuck off our island for months to work as a doctor and gather recruited once we start up.
Once the wild ride starts there will be no chance to get off, yet making distillers while we rule might take twice as long but will be a more reasonable proposal.

And slaves to indentured servants is a real good idea. Over three years it is less than the price to hire plebs for that time so we come out ahead, and it makes them feel better.
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>>4117391
No fixed years, just recover their aquisition and maintenence costs plus standard interest. ( i think 5 or 10%)
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>>4116527
Casting anything but large blocky shapes with concrete is difficult at this tech level. We don't have easy access to plywood, screws and all the other stuff you would normally use to make a concrete form for stairs and arches, so we will probably only use cast concrete for outer walls and foundations and use regular stone for anything that isn't load bearing. Casting concrete blocks and using those instead of stone can also work.

Masons are also capable of stuff like carpentry to build scaffolding and mathematics and geometry to survey and construct things to the architect's specifications. This sort of thing is well beyond unskilled peasant labourers, we will definitely need a few to lead the construction crews.
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>>4117313
about 20 people? more if you put them in the cargo hold, you need 4 to man it at all times in rough waters so about 12 passengers in a 12 hour crew shift.
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>>4117204
unless we get danny and her dragons as forges i don't think all metal vehicles is possible any time soon.
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>>4117631
There's a difference between fitting comfortably and being able to fit people in general. If it's just human cargo, you could fit 100 people aboard, albeit it would be a tad uncomfortable.
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Would be funny if we could rope in Laharra in the trip.
Unlikely unless we wife her, sadly.
However we could use a cloth maker or tailor
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>>4117639
good thing they are slaves and plebs and used to it
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Alright, there seems to be a few dominant variables here, so please vote for your pick.
Main difference between these are whether or not you'll start with multiple ships or with more dudes and guns.

>Option 1:
>Starts with a Cog and Longship
>Comes with 10 Unskilled slaves

>Option 2:
>Starts with a Cog
>Comes with 30 plebs, 20 unskilled slaves and 3 extra muskets

>Option 3:
>Starts with a Cog
>Comes with 160 plebs, 20x unskilled slaves and 3 extra muskets
>Doesn't come with Industrial Distillery technology

Please vote on which you'd like to go with.
Ships can always be bought, more people recruited and technology researched, there's not really a wrong answer here, you only need Industrial Distillery if you wanna start out as a booze baron.
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>>4117843
#2 please
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>>4117843
#2
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>>4117843
2
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>>4117843
>2
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>>4117843
>Option 2
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>>4117843
I like option two but i would prefer to go with a longship instead of a cog as we can use it without ports and if we want to is landhop or land wherever we want it would be more flexible.
still...
>2
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>>4117843
Honestly why the fuck are we making muskets?
They are not a lot better than crossbows or large warbows and are only effective when massed in a formation.
Better to focus on rifles I say use the time for doctoring or some teething and spare cash for more slaves or plebs.
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>>4117884
because firepower en masse and simple construction makes it a good squad weapon
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>>4117843
As much as I am a sucker for 3, I'm voting #2 since it is the second best option and also the one I'd get anyway.

>>4117876
To be fair we can use dinghys to get from the shore to the cog if need be, so it isn't that big of a loss.

>>4117884
>>4117892
Personally I'm fine with muskets, crossbows or rifles for now but I would've preferred either all muskets or all rifles.
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>>4117892
>>4117884
phonefaging

12 rifles 3 muskets.
Id rather have two extra rifles.
With cartridges we can get a lot more utility out of them than a 3 man musket section who will do what?

Also,even then we have a Gatling gun, two cannon, and 12 rifles, meaning 3 crew served weapons of a minimum of 6 people 11 rifles for the rest of our volunteers and one for us - we have after all only 17 volunteers who we can think as our military force.
Slaves and plebs are not going to fight.

The Gatling gun of course opens up our option to go and take the best island for ourselves (discord), so the extra lesser boomsticks are kind of superfluous.
Better use those 3 weeks to do something else.
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>>4117904
hmh. or we are going to give one musket per guncrew?

that could work.
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>>4117905
Even if that were the case, they would be better off with pistols given the fact that any situation they're in where not using the Gatling is now a good plan is going to be close quarters fighting.
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Now, did you wanna fork 50g for a slave trained as an architect?
You yourself did actually go on an architecture course yourself and chances are you know more about working with concrete as thanks to your research.

However, you could delegate some work to this man and you could possibly further your education on the art of architecture by drawing upon his experience and learning.
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>>4117909
more of a status thing. Have the loader get the musket.

This way our volunteers are all distinguished gentlemen of great tastes and higher class.

Carbine or pistols would be better, ofc.

>>4117843
>>4116540

Can we go with 3 muskets = 6 pistols?

1 arkan + 17 swole dudes
18.
12 riflemen, 6 guncrewmen with pistols and their big guns.
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>>4117911
>>4117909
However thinking on the WW1 setups, MG loaders usually had rifles.
For the times when they are not set up and in transit. So you know. even with muskets its fine.
Fore close quarters Arkan can just flex in his plate armor.
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>>4117910
Yes
>fork over 50g for an architect.
we is El presidente,not Bob the Builder
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>>4117910
Presuming that he doesnt keel over, run off or turn out to be incapable of managing construction projects, Yes.
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>>4117958
He will also be probably the one to work off his debt the first in a relatively short time if we switch from slavery to indentured servitude and dept prisons.
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>>4117910
Also yes on the architect
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>>4117843
>Option 3:
>>4117910
Yes for the architect
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One thing to keep in mind.
If we conquer an island (the best ones being almost all taken) we will get some pleb pops as well.

Not a reason to dump our own as without them we won't have a good core who will be more inclined to do as we say when not in gun range thus the main demographic that will culture the rest to our way of living.
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>>4117910
>Yes for architect, more delegation means more time for personal attention.
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>>4117910
yes
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>Yes for architect, more delegation means more time for personal attention.

>Get Pistols instead of Muskets
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>>4117995
the good news is they will be loyal once we cure them of whatever deasese there in.

we should also promote meritocracy and spread SWOLE qoutes
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Looks like you'll be taking the Architect, will need to adjust the price on the final tally.

Anyhow, time to pick what the starting export of your Island is going to be. Essentially, this is what your island will initially be using to trade with the outside world.

Naturally, nothing stops you from paying the Iron Price for goods either, save for your love and compassion towards your fellow man.

Speaking of love and passion, here's options for starting industries!

1. Pirated Literature
* Many a merchant will happily take cheap books off your hands, albeit this will vex the scribes of the world to no end.
> Requires access to timber
> Comes with paper making manual

2. Black market arms trade
* There is always a market amongst killers for good quality steel. Especially if one needs not pay taxes to acquire them.
> Requires access to coal or charcoal
> Requires access to iron

3. Drug trafficking
* Possessing the only cure for a disease can be delightfully lucrative. As well as peddling in recreational opium and cannabis.
> Requires access to arable land

4. Booze Baron
* Industrially produced alcohol can be quite cheap, potent and naturally lucrative. It helps keep morale up and is more universally accepted currency than Gold or Silver.
> Requires access to arable land
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>>4119660
#3 please, with extra drugs on the side.
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>>4119660
#3 We just put alot of work into making a cure, might as well go all in on it for the start.
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>>4119660
#3 fuck opium that shit is wack, but if we can make pain killers out of it that'll be good.
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Also a pointer that cultivating penicillin takes very little resources and effort. You can get a few doses from a handful of grain. Opium needs fields though.
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>>4119660
#4
easiest and most profitable. everybody drinks it,and it is widely used for food preservation,medicine and general purpose
we can get methanol from it to use as liquid fuel,chemicals,solvents and medical stuff
plus there is no empty weight to worry about
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>>4119660
#4 as it is the most stable industry to start with and is easier to expand from.
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>>4119660
#3
>"accidentally" cause massive outbreal
>look at that we have the cure
>????
>profit
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>>4119660
#3 - Opium, you say?
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>>4119660
>4. Booze Baron
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>>4119660
>3. Drug trafficking
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>>4119660
>3
Wuhan Bioweapons lab
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>>4120167
You do not actually have skilled enough labor force for anything near that.
Your plebs would basically be bricking weed, opium and hash and selling it to smugglers and traders

Penicillin actually has expiration dates, requires a trained staff to produce and is actually a fairly unknown cure in grand scheme of things, meaning actually getting it to patients is a pain in the ass as well, considering that a ship leaving from oldtown to your island for penicillin and then heading straight back can take around a month, meaning the patient may already be beyond help by the time the medicine could make it back.
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>>4119660
3
it's morphine time!

also can't we just build a green house drug den?
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>>4119660
>4. Booze Baron
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>>4119660
>>4120229

>>4120167
Changing to
>4
Booze is the natural starter industry!
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>>4119660
>4

We Appalachian Moonshiners nao
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>>4119660
3. Drug trafficking
hell yea
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>>4119660
>4. Booze Baron

Booze is life
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>>4119660
>#3
we are going to be the british-esque god emperor
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>>4120775
you might turn down the god-thing this is a time of deeply religious folks and actual deities with magic.
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>>4120813
Rhllor is a shit, the Seven are bitches, and the Weeping Lady of Lys is a whore.
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>>4120775
>Not Spanish
Do you even want an armada?
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>>4120964
por que no los dos pues?
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>>4119660
Drug trafficking
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>>4119660
>Why don't we mix 3. and 4. together.

We could sell it like, get high while you get drunk or heal yourself while you get drunk.
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>>4121074
Nice try. I am not giving you two industries for price of one.
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>>4121105
Damn, QM bit through our clever ruse.
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>>4119660
4. Booze Baron
We already have tech for a distillery.
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>>4119660
>4. Booze Baron
Everyone likes booze. There is even a separate market for both cheap and expensive booze. We know how to make either of them in large quantity.
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>#3
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>4 Booze Baron
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>>4119660
>4. Booze Baron
It's the industry with the greatest market, the easiest sales and the simplest reach.

Personally I'd prefer to do 2 (since it leads into future industry and shit) or 1 (since the theoretical returns are so insane / the potential to attract scholars / ability to create cultural books) but seeing as no one is voting for it, eh.
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>Humble Hashish merchants
>>4121604
>>4120775
>>4120482
>>4120157
>>4119749
>>4119671
>>4119667
>>4119666

>Al Capone's racketeers
>>4121694
>>4121394
>>4121244
>>4120571
>>4120427
>>4120391
>>4120375
>>4119915
>>4119743
>>4119707

Looks like Kenshi Hash memes will have to wait for another day.
Oh well, at least you don't need to train smugglers how to naruto run in order to get past guards.
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># - Violent takeover -
You took over the island violently by both killing and chasing off the previous inhabitants. The Pirates who lost their base of operations aren't going to be happy, but the Island they were inhabiting was worth the measures.

+ 4 points to spend on Island selection.
+ Your settlement starts with a higher threat level, discouraging hostile and peaceful visits.
+ Your settlement is founded upon militarism

># - A Holy Mission -
After a great deal of convincing and an official conversion later, you managed to gain the support of the Holy Faith in the west, securing foreign aid in order to found a humble convent upon Stepstones.

+ Your settlement has faith of the seven as foundation
+ You may request aid from the High Septon from time to time
+ Sinful industries, such as brothels, alcohol production or production of inappropriate literature will strain your relations with the faith.

># - Industrial Baron -
You decided to pick an uninhabited Island, focusing instead on making making sure your industry would not be found wanting, increasing its efficiency and capacity by 30%!

+ Starting Industry grants 30% more product
+ Your settlement starts with a higher market level, encouraging hostile and peaceful visits from outsiders.
+ Your settlement is founded upon Merchantile ideals

># - Contested Claim -
The Island in question has been the subject of multiple wars between the free cities since the Triumvirate split up, it's inhabitants have been wiped out multiple times in recent history over political disputes.

+ 6 points in island selection
+ Myr, Tyrosh and Lys all consider themselves as rightful owners of this island and won't be happy.
+ Your settlement will be founded upon a hostility towards the outside world.

># - Cursed Founding -
The Island in Question was once a Valyrian colony consumed by disease, it's inhabitants now long dead or fled, only thing remaining of them are the ruins of a long abandoned fortress and it's surrounding buildings. This island has officially been under quarantine for over three hundred years and is only ever visited by would be looters hoping to find what other grave robbers missed.

+ 2 points in Island selection
+ Merchant visits and pirate raids are more irregular
+ The Ruins are defensible
+ Free choice of the above ideals
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>>4121765
># - Industrial Baron -
># - Cursed Founding -
>Fortress on evil biome
Dwarf fortress time! Strike the earth!
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>>4121765
>># - Contested Claim -
Plant our flag on it and dare people to push us out.
Also, Lys might eventually try to go for Greatest Ally between the two of us or Special Relation once we get going.
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Oh, so that is how it works Cursed founding gets another choice as well?

>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
># - Cursed Founding -
Spooky wanted island
Everyone fights for it and it has a dread name.
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>>4121765

>># - Industrial Baron -
>># - Cursed Founding -
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Just as a reminder, you can only pick one option.
If you vote for multiple ones, I will count those as votes towards those two, not as a combination vote.
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>>4121765
># - Industrial Baron
Baron Baron gang gang
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>>4121765
># - Industrial Baron -
># - Cursed Founding -

If we want to sell to the outside world and don't want the Free Cities to sent mercenaries to our door we need to start from scratch to obtain the widest profit margin and minimize pissing off some of the current superpowers.
Also that "Cursed Founding" is probably Greyscale, just saying. but if we can somehow cure it with a side project of penicillin, we could use the fame to increase renown and by proxy profit margins.
just need to get a military going quick.
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>>4121765
>>4121793

Wait I didn't ask, but are we allowed to take two?
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>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
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>>4121794
Nein
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>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
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>>4121765
># - Cursed Founding -
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>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
We have cannons and a gatling. We can easily fend off anything they throw at us.
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>>4121765
># - Violent takeover -
># - A Holy Mission -
># - Industrial Baron -
># - Contested Claim -
># - Cursed Founding -
Imma vote for all of them thanks.
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>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
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>>4121765
># - Contested Claim -
># - Cursed Founding -
Time to take over Palestine,
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>>4121765
>># - Contested Claim -
Fuck it let's aim for the contested lands too while we're at it (eventually)
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>>4121878
Im gonna support this one
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>>4121765
>>4121769
changing to just
># - Cursed Founding -
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>>4121765
>># - Cursed Founding -
with
Industrial buff
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>>4121794
you cant but you can choose curse then choose an extra buff
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>>4121765
># - Industrial Baron -
You decided to pick an uninhabited Island, focusing instead on making making sure your industry would not be found wanting, increasing its efficiency and capacity by 30%!

+ Starting Industry grants 30% more product
+ Your settlement starts with a higher market level, encouraging hostile and peaceful visits from outsiders.
+ Your settlement is founded upon Merchantile ideals
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>>4121765
># - Cursed Founding -
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>>4121765
>># - Industrial Baron -
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>>4122887
>>4121765

switching my vote to Contested Claim 1st & Industrial baron 2nd
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>>4122315
It's not an extra buff, it just means you can have merchantile, militarist and so on as ideology on cursed start.

This doesn't actually grant you any extra buffs.
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>>4123052
so if we get cursed and then vote for mercentile does that mean we still get irregular traders towards the settlement but the people are motivated to trade?
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>>4121741
Looks like you didn't count my vote for drug trafficking. Not that it would make any difference


Anyway, industrial start
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>>4123081
No, it just means your settlers will initially prefer policies that favor strong economy.
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>>4121765
>># - Contested Claim -
I prefer this for one simple reason. The only thing we can't change down the road is the island our kingdom sits on. It's not practical to pack everything up and move, even if conquering a better island will be trivial later on. So we need to pick the best plot of land we possibly can and build from there.

This will piss off the free cities but we should be able to maintain good relations with Lys, given our reputation there. Having an island in the stepstones that is friendly and open to trade is still better than an enemy stronghold even if you don't own it yourself.
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>>4123503
This. Plus it's important to remember that a 30% bonus to our first industry might be nice but at the end of the day we're not going to be relying on just that one product long-term so that bonus becomes less and less significant.

Also the Ideal from Contested Claim is far more useful than Industrial Baron in my opinion: people always want a strong economy but what we need is people who don't feel connected to any other part of the world to form the core of our new nation.

Lastly, the increase in trade is potentially significant but at the end of the day since we will have a ship of our own there is nothing stopping us going out and trading ourselves if needed.
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>Hippity Hoppity, this is my property
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>The Red Spooktober
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>Kazakhstan Industry, best in world
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