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“A Knight is Sworn to Valour. His Heart Knows Only Virtue. His Blade Defends the Helpless. His Might Upholds the Weak. His Word Speaks Only Truth. His Wrath Undoes the Wicked.”

Every child in Cantôn knows of the Knight’s Code. From peasant-born waifs playing with sticks in the mud to keen-eyed noble sons practicing with cold steel in the training yard, all have at the very least dreamed of one day becoming a knight themselves. To ride out on errantry into the Five Duchies Kingdom and beyond for God and Glory, bringing the Law of Adam to the wicked and the Blade of Cain to the beast.

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Were it so easy…

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Poopy
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well I hope we're all learning our lesson here regarding Fae shit.

you don't fuck around with it.
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>>4057177
Learning our lesson? Where do you think you are?
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>>4057179
good point, we're still arguing about Rosseau dying.
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Just I thought of a few things that would make the DC easier or could have us a safe. Desperate I know, but I want to try.

Our multiple animal companions
The basilisk we fought together
The food we share with her at camp
The Ursen token and blessing
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>>4057177
What? I thought [Platonic] option won...
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>>4057182
>The Ursen token and blessing

I'd argue this would make the DC harder considering her apparent dislike of the rest of the Fae
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>>4057184
platonic won but with a double fail
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>>4057182
Let's not.At that point people are just going to be begging whenever we have a bad roll.
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>>4057184
It did we're still interacting with someone involved in a ritual though
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>>4057185
Ursen isn't fae and we don't know what she thinks on other fae.
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>>4057187
Sorry I meant crit fail
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>>4057182
>The Ursen token and blessing

Hmmm. Well the others I took into account (i.e. your Griffinhawk imprint at the first encounter). But it has been established that the Bear Totem has some limited measure of dispelling Fae fuckery.

Tell you what, if you can pass the activation for it I will allow the effects of Battered to last only the rest of the evening.

Activate Bear Totem
>DC 50

1 roll of 1d100, first come first served.
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Rolled 22 (1d100)

>>4057193
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Rolled 46 (1d100)

>>4057193
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Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>4057193
bear help Emile
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>>4057192
Just a double fail, not a critical fail. You were right the first time.
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>>4057185
True, she mention something about a the old castes. Hopefully the greater animals stand outside of it.
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>>4057194
DUBS! Thank you Heir of Ursen bear bro! This is definitely more useful than a mere lucky charm.
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>>4057194
Yeah okay, well done knigga.

Your sperm count still takes a hit tho
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>>4057200
>Your sperm count still takes a hit tho
OOF
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>>4057200
>Your sperm count still takes a hit tho
Seriously? Is that permanent? If not then for how long? It was just a double fail.
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>>4057203
We've known about the effects of magic since pretty much day one. Forgotten has never hidden the fact from the players that magic makes people sterile. Doesn't even require bad rolls, it's just a fact of using and being around magic
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>>4057193
>>4057194
Yeah I helped
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>>4057206
Yeah but it was still just a double fail. A permanent or very long effect should be a critfail.
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>>4057211
It's got nothing to do with double fails or crit fails or any sort of failure or success. It's the act of using magical items and having them near us that intrinsically causes us to - slowly over time - become sterile/gain health issues. It's been a known fact from the start
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>>4057200
It's okay that means more sexy time with the wife to have a kid am I right /s
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>>4057203
an apt description is like radiation, a single burst will lower it but you can recover, sustained exposure will permanently lower it and a high burst or high enough levels will cause irreparable damage that ranges from severe impairment to complete sterility.

where we stands on that scale I have no idea.
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The biggest BS is that the DC was 65 and the was 66. All our reolls became invalid with a single number difference to succeed. Literally the dice gods trolling us again. it least it wasn't consecutive critfails like last time.

Imagine however if we picked courting the fae queen or widow and got that double fail. The results could have been worse. We made made the right choice and dodged a bullet.
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>>4057212
That still doesn't change my point that it shouldn't be a permanent or very long effect over just a double fail. We're not even the one using magic here. She is. It shouldn't even have that effect on us.
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>>4057216
That's a really good way of thinking about it.

To continue on this train of though we need to consider that we've been carrying a luck charm for quite a while. We've now also been in a Fae city for a few days, had healing magic directly applied to us, we were enthralled by the Seer, and then had that dispelled by more magic from the Ursen who then provided us with a more powerful charm. And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. That's a lot of magic

>>4057217
>Imagine however if we picked courting the fae queen or widow and got that double fail.

Man I don't even want to think about that, that would have been some bad shit
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>>4057217
fae warlock anon the queen was just a elusion of fae fuckery
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>>4057221
> We're not even the one using magic here. She is. It shouldn't even have that effect on us.

Dude stop crying. Think of it like how >>4057216
put it and then consider that this isn't the effect of a single bit of magic, it's the buildup of being in contact with low levels of magic for quite a while and a few bursts of higher level magic. We're literally inside a Fae city, it's likely a hub of radiant magic.

Either way though, it is what it is. We can't change it, we just have to roll with it, accept it and move on. Assuming Forgotten was even being serious (which I hope he was, actions have consequences)
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>>4057201
>>4057203
I am mostly joking
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>>4057225
I'm not ''crying''. I'm stating valid points. She is the one using magic not us. The effect isn't from the fae city. It's supposed to be from the ritual. How the hell could it have a permanent/long consequence when we aren't even the one using the magic? It doesn't even have anything to do with our actions.

>>4057228
Thank the Almighty.
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To the West, The Ruins - The Second Herald

“The Romani are a deeply religious folk, they will side with Her Majesty when the time comes.”

The Second Herald frowned. He was not so sure of that statement as the First seemed to be. “Their women weave a separate tangle of alliances entirely from what we see on the surface. The men are brave and pious true, I’ve seen good enough examples of that myself, but if we want to secure Romani support in the political sphere it is the Ladies of the Houses we should be approaching, not the Lords.”

”You can continue your games later. We have more pressing concerns now that the Son of Sin, curse his black unholy soul to the depths of the Pit, is once again restrained.” The Third Herald was the most straightforward and stoutest of all of them present, and such plotting sat ill with him. His honest mouth and honourable manner is why the Queen first loved him so, but it has served him ill when truly putting the Queen’s interests first. “The Order of Names are still hunting down those we routed, but the Langlish survivors have reformed and returned to Pascae borders. The turncoat lordlings would not have been so foolish to tell them everything, but they can probably tell the difference between a Ranger and a Reginate. This many armed men, good men not prone to wagging tongues, will raise eyebrows the longer we keep them under arms.”

[1/2]
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>>4057225
to be fair their is no proof of that unless Canton has magical geiger counters which I doubt, this hit to battered implies this is the single dose and not our stay in the Fae enclave.

anyway I remain optomistic about our recovery from this if we survive Fallavon I'd just caution against further interaction with magic
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>>4057228
>Mostly
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>>4057228
I don't believe you
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>>4057229
> I'm stating valid points

Not really dude

>The effect isn't from the fae city. It's supposed to be from the ritual.

The city was an example, but hey cool, ignore all the other magic shit we've been exposed to.

>How the hell could it have a permanent/long consequence when we aren't even the one using the magic? It doesn't even have anything to do with our actions.

That's been stated already, being exposed to magic has an effect on humans.

>>4057231
>to be fair their is no proof of that unless Canton

Nothing scientific yeah but there has been a pattern of heavy magic users become sterile throughout Canton history
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>>4057229
>How the hell could it have a permanent/long consequence when we aren't even the one using the magic?

Because it is magical radiation, you don't have to be holding the activated Uranium rod to be exposed to the radiation from it.

>>4057228
>mostly

the brothers were right all witches must burn!
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>>4057230

[2/2]

“The Order of Names in another brushfire skirmish with the Bluejays is explanation enough.” The First Herald snorts. He is the dangerous kind of man, one who mistakes ruthlessness for effectiveness. It is a wonder what the Queen sees in him, but even blunt instruments supposedly have their uses.

”The Order Reginae has never bothered with the movements of petty outlaws. Even in the War of Borders when Bluejays were sacking ill-guarded castles they were never a true threat to the realm.” The Second Herald knows his is often dismissed as the voice of argument, even when the First makes valid points. But someone has to act as a counterweight, and the Third would not stoop to such a role. “A reason for our direct involvement must be procured.”

The Third Herald rubs his growing bristle ruefully. Thinking the matter over, or regretting his loss of Her Majesty's favour following his last 'indiscretion' over honour? ”Among our own men, those not of the inner circle, there is already talk of foreigners and Fae in conspiring to launch a second War of Borders.”

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> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]

> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]

> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057235
>The city was an example, but hey cool, ignore all the other magic shit we've been exposed to.

It's a bullshit example. All of our companions, Wytes, Norsikaans, beastmen, etc have been in the city and it didn't affect them. Forgotten never stated or hinted tatt merely being at a fae city does anything. You 100% made that up.

>That's been stated already, being exposed to magic has an effect on humans.

It still should not have anywhere a permanent/long effect like you think.
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>>4057237
>> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]

On one hand I like the predictable bruatality of this one

> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

On the other I like how close this option gets to the truth of it.

Priority in order
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>>4057237
>“It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]


>“A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
Nothing to unite a kingdom more than a crusade against the heathen
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>>4057239
Far out mate. Yes I made up an example to explain a point. I didn't say "this is exactly what happened". I'm not Forgotten, I don't decree things. I was using being in a Fae city of an example of how we may have been exposed to more Fae magic than we realised.

>It's a bullshit example. All of our companions, Wytes, Norsikaans, beastmen, etc have been in the city and it didn't affect them.

Go ahead and point to where that has been stated. Take your time. You bitch about me making shit up and then you come out with this? Absurd. It isn't as if magic makes people glow mate and we've not seen any pregnancy among the Wytes have we? We don't know how affected they are, we don't know how many magical artifacts they carry around. You seem to be ignoring the fact that my main reference has been to magic being used on and around us being the cause of it.

>It still should not have anywhere a permanent/long effect like you think.

10/10 opinion, please have more of them.

Anyway, I'm done responding to you, this is only turning into a shit fight which will ruin the thread and piss of Forgotten so lets call it here. We obviously aren't going to agree and I'm struggling to avoid name calling and shit
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>>4057237
>“A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
>“It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057252
>It isn't as if magic makes people glow mate
This makes me wonder about overdoses of magical radiation making people glow, also if their is a spell equatable to D&D's faerie fire

>we've not seen any pregnancy among the Wytes have we? We don't know how affected they are

I'm just going to point out this is a Fae city not a human one, the larger human population in these woods is set up in illegal settlements all over and likely don't really interact with the Fae or magic outside of Fae involving themselves or some Innawoods shit.

the reason Sam and the other bluejays are here because its point one of contact with the Fae and a place to resupply and regroup without fear of being traced back to home also they are in cahoots with the Fae and given the presence at the ruins and what we found everyone wants to know about why such a large force is here.
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>>4057237
>“A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237

> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]

Aye new thread
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>>4057237
> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]
I think this works best.
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>>4057237
So the choices are
>Start a war with Norsikaa
>Start a war with the Bluejays
>Condemn some Noble houses
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>>4057269
I think it's more

>start a brushfire conflict with Norsikans escalation possible but not necessarily
>esclate brushfire conflict with Bluejays to border skirmish escalation possible if bluejays can escalate.
>Blame some noble factions and escalate internal tensions with regards to Queensman/Kingsman conflict.
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>>4057237
>> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]
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>>4057237
>> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
>“It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
Oh shit, letting us go costed Lord Kasper Alexandi his post as second herald. I hope that we can prove his decision the right one in the future.
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>>4057237
>> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

They will plead their innocence - which only ever serves to deepen the look of guilt.
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>>4057237
hmmmm....
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
why
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>>4057237

> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

This is an interesting choice
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>>4057237
>> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

1st post of thread i think
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>>4057252
>Far out mate. Yes I made up an example to explain a point. I didn't say "this is exactly what happened". I'm not Forgotten, I don't decree things. I was using being in a Fae city of an example of how we may have been exposed to more Fae magic than we realised.

Yeah you made up a bullshit example and tried to pass it as an excuse to why we should lose our fertility permanently/for long. Actions have consequnces? What nonsense. We aren't eve the one using magic. How could it be a consequence of our action.

>>4057252
>Go ahead and point to where that has been stated. Take your time. You bitch about me making shit up and then you come out with this? Absurd. It isn't as if magic makes people glow mate and we've not seen any pregnancy among the Wytes have we? We don't know how affected they are, we don't know how many magical artifacts they carry around. You seem to be ignoring the fact that my main reference has been to magic being used on and around us being the cause of it.

It's never been stated because your example is utter bullshit. No where is it ever stated or hinted that being at a fae city or just being near magic affects your fertility. Everybody in the fae city (Wytes, fae, beastmen, companions, Norsikaans, etc) has't been affected yet we do? That's bullshit you made up. That's why it's never stated.

>10/10 opinion, please have more of them.

And your bullshit example is 100% opinion.

I'm done responding to you too now.

>>4057236
>Because it is magical radiation, you don't have to be holding the activated Uranium rod to be exposed to the radiation from it.

That's something you came up with and is never shown anywhere. The fertility effects would've been from the ritual not the city. A double fail shouldn't result in a permanent fertility loss or for long simply for being near it.
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>>4057237
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
an interesting option
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>>2980872

>Yes, there is even a Sorceress in the King's Court. Technically speaking, all use of Old Magic is unlawful and only the most highly constrained uses of it are permitted and rarely in the open.

In-character the miracles performed by Adam and Cain's mother (Salve Reginae) were holy miracles and NOT magic. People have been burnt at the stake for even suggesting such.

High tier expensive/quest items are magical in nature and OP as fuck, but extended use shortens your lifespan and makes you sterile.
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>Yes, there is even a Sorceress in the King's Court. Technically speaking, all use of Old Magic is unlawful and only the most highly constrained uses of it are permitted and rarely in the open.

>In-character the miracles performed by Adam and Cain's mother (Salve Reginae) were holy miracles and NOT magic. People have been burnt at the stake for even suggesting such.

>High tier expensive/quest items are magical in nature and OP as fuck, but extended use shortens your lifespan and makes you sterile.

No where in any of this post is it ever stated that being near anything magical affects you. Only thing it says is that extended use shortens lifespan as well as lowers fertility.
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>>4057311
I was going to bite the bait and try to have a conversation that didn't involve flatout denial with you but clearly there is no worth in it considering how readily you dismiss a statment from forgotten himself about how magic interacts with humans.
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>>4057279
What? Pretty sure this prompt is from his point of view
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>>4057237
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

Lucky for him Damien *actually* is guilty of participating in treason against the slave for helping the Jays.

Lucky him.
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>>4057306
>>4057311
>Old Magic

What is the difference between new and old magic?

Also guys your argument is literally pointless. Forgotten already said he was joking and messing with us. Simply being near magic or using it for a short period of time won't do anything. We will have to actually use magic for a decently long amount of time before its negative effects on fertility and lifespan start appearing.
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>>4057321
Pretty sure it's just the difference between Fae magic (Old magic) and Reginae/Adam and Cain "Miracles" (Same shit but re-branded)
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>>4057314
I'm not denying or dismissing anything from Forgotten. I'm dismissing the crap you made up. No where is stated in that post that being close to magic affects you. Only thing it addresses is what happens when you use it for a long time.
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>>4057321
I'd say the difference between old and new magic is basically a deliniation between magic that existed before Canton and Feudalism and what came after

Old magic
>Fae magic
>Ursen's boon and other native Canton pagan animal totemism
>Norsikan paganism
>hedge witchery
>Carthaggi magic?

New magic
>the Scholarly instituion of sorcery in Canton
>The divine magic of the allmighty and his saints
>Carthaggi magic?

though this is some guesswork and not at all a given unless we know more

>>4057323
you are dismissing the evidence and litreally any argument given including the one here >>4057306 which is a quote from forgotten as inadmissable despite it being a direct quote from him that high levels of magical exposure particularly in the extreme range is readily corrolateable by Canton laymen and scholars as a source of shortened lifespans and sterility.

Furthermore the direct implicit nature of that quote is that magic does affect you though the observable effects are only largely known at the highest levels, given this would be more in the nature of pure speculation if quotes from Forgotten such as >>4057200 hadn't given creedance to the idea that its effects are relatively similar to radiation if as nothing more than a useful comparison to understand the interactions and its consequences of use, if that isn't to your likeing as a method of understanding the relationship humans have with it it I'd love to hear what your metaphor would be but given your pigheaded stubborness at recourse I doubt you have one.

Prove me wrong though please and turn this into an actual conversation rather than a rebuttal.
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>>4057237
> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]
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>>4057329
There are no evidence whatsoever of magic affecting you simply for being near it. Nowhere in that quote is it stated that magic affects you by being near it.

>direct quote from him that high levels of magical exposure particularly in the extreme range is readily corrolateable by Canton laymen and scholars as a source of shortened lifespans and sterility.

Why are you lying and making shit up? The only thing that is stated about Cantonians in that quote is that they don't allow public use of magic. That is not evidence of your crap. Nowhere is it stated that magic exposure affects you. You made that crap up. No Canton layman or scholar or whatever says anything about magic exposure. You're using weasel words. There is nothing implicit in there. I don't care about your false interpretation.

>Furthermore the direct implicit nature of that quote is that magic does affect you though the observable effects are only largely known at the highest levels, given this would be more in the nature of pure speculation if quotes from Forgotten such as >>4057200 hadn't given creedance to the idea that its effects are relatively similar to radiation if as nothing more than a useful comparison to understand the interactions and its consequences of use, if that isn't to your likeing as a method of understanding the relationship humans have with it it I'd love to hear what your metaphor would be but given your pigheaded stubborness at recourse I doubt you have one.

I don't give a fuck about your speculation and assumptions on that quote. You made up some bullshit and said that quote supports you when it absolutely doesn't. There are no observable effects. The only thing that is said in that post is that extended use affects you. Nothing is said about exposure to it.

Come on show me evidence of your absolute bullshit because that quote sure as hell doesn't.

Radiation my ass.
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>new thread and they're already arguing
is this a part of the experience?
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>>4057340
okay cool I'm done I have neither the time or the desire to further this with you anon given your response.

>>4057341
It wouldn't be the Sworn to Valor if arguing to the point of redundancy wasn't a F E A T U R E
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>>4057314
I believe everything you said up to "bait".

Your own quote here >>4057306 not only doesn't mention proximity being harmful, it also specifically refers to high tier magical items.

Maybe just don't start this fight. Just wait for Forgotten to be more specific about it. Even the "makes you sterile" was spoilered so honestly it could be a joke.

Funny thing to note, your initual comparison to radiation? It literally can't be more wrong. 1Sv is a lethal dose, but the yearly limit for a person is 25Sv. Background radiation is a constant at 300mSv, and 100mSv in addition to that is the threshold for radiation poisoning if exposed all at once. Xrays cause about .1mSv of radiation, a chest CT about 7mSv.

The risk with lower levels of radiation is the possibility of contamination, where it somhow gets into your system and becomes trapped in the body and builds up to dnagerous levels.

If the magic has any radiating qualities, so long as we don't decide to suddenly eat a large amount of magical items or implant them in our body, then we're fine.
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>>4057343
And just as expected you showed zero evidence of your assumptions. You tried to falsely pass up a quote that makes no address towards exposure as proof. I'll even examine the quote to find your evidence.

>Yes, there is even a Sorceress in the King's Court. Technically speaking, all use of Old Magic is unlawful and only the most highly constrained uses of it are permitted and rarely in the open.

The King is a heretic who allows the presence of magic at his court. Old Magic is stated to be unlwaful and its use is only permitted in private and rarely in public. Zero statements on the effects of exposure to magic here.

>In-character the miracles performed by Adam and Cain's mother (Salve Reginae) were holy miracles and NOT magic. People have been burnt at the stake for even suggesting such.

In-character the miracles of Salve Regina are holy miracles and not magic. Believing such gets you burnt at the stake. Zero statements on the effects of exposure to magic here.

>High tier expensive/quest items are magical in nature and OP as fuck, but extended use shortens your lifespan and makes you sterile.

Items that are magical in nature are overpowered, but extended use of them lowers your fertility and shortens your lifespan. Zero statements on the effects of exposure to magic here.
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>>4057348
okay first off >>4057306 is not me it's another poster, secondly if sterility and a shortened lifespan recognisable by feudal scholars isn't harmful what is?

>Maybe just don't start this fight. Just wait for Forgotten to be more specific about it

please read the history of this argument I didn't throw the first stone I merely stepped into the shitflinging much to my current regret, I'll gladly wait till forgotten clarifies shit but I highly doubt that it was spoilered as a joke but rather as meta knowledge.

>Funny thing to note, your initual comparison to radiation? It literally can't be more wrong

I'll admit if we are talking actual radiation as it is in our world thats far beyond my knowledge I wasn't really trying to make a 1:1 comparison more of a broadstrokes I.E: A OP magic sword eminates radiation much like a active uranium rod would and that constitent exposure to magic or simply enough of it is grounds for harmful consequences.
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>>4057364
>eminates radiation

magic*
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>>4057340
So hey. For Damien, what do you think of sending him home on a boat, Dan Marc by land with a letter, while we head onwards to Cathagi.

I feel that if we abandon our Pilgrimage, and especially our mission to escort the Pilgrims, it will make us lose support from the Knight orders and make them distrustful us. If we return home with Damien, we don't really make his trip any safer. If we end up openly fighting against the Queensmen we'll lose, and Emile doesn't have any way to contrubute to clearing Damiens name.

Whereas if we continue on with our Pilgrimage, we will have succeeded in doing a service for the Knights Comitas, in addition to fulfillig the expectation of pious that a Knight should have towards the Faith. I really don't think we can afford to be in a position where our character is also under suspicion.

Also, if we go to Cathagi we can join the Dragon Guard. It's a prestigous position that doesn't have any stigma for holding, and additionally it pays well. We can send wealth home to help support our parents efforts to block the Queensmen from creating a situation where they can legally take Damien away. As well, if our reputation remains high then people who are worried about having a lord that might harbor treasonous thoughts or heretical beliefs has a brother who is pious in his pilgrimage, who is dutiful in performing tasks required to protect the people of Canton, and who has a prestigous achievement of becoming a Dragon Guard that proves he is capable in battle as well as able to gain the good will from foreign Nobles.

That way, our followers who are concerned about what will happen if their next Lord is actually treasonous or harbors heretical habits can be reassured that if it comes to it there is someone able to step in and take over.

As well, it will make our supporting him remaining as the Heir and being unjustly accused much more believable.

Whereas if we give up on our pilgrimage, which is an act of Faith, and abandon our duty Knight to protect the Pilgrims on their journey, to return home impoverished clinging to our brothers side, well. That definitely won't look good.

It will make him look like he's guilty to some degree, it's not like people know that the Order of Names is on a killing spree. It'll just make Damien look crazy if he tries to claim they're trying to kill hin for any reason other than having proof of his treason. People will also have to ask themselves where the future of the Andreis is, if one brother is a traitor and the other abandoned his duty and faith to protect his brother, showing up having lost his sword, his shield, and his coin. It might look like we were actually returning in failure to hide using our brothers situation as an excuse.

Oh yeah, there's also the Fae outcast who we promised to take as a follower. That will go over great.

I feel that there'a simply no benefit to returning home given our obligations and our current status.
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>>4057391
>So hey. For Damien, what do you think of sending him home on a boat, Dan Marc by land with a letter, while we head onwards to Cathagi.

I think this is a good idea but let's reach the pilgrims in time first before discussing anything on our pilgrimage, Damien, Dan Marc, etc. We have 12 days to come back.

Not only will Emile go back through territory he has already traversed, but he'll also have two guides (fae girl and otterfolk guide). The pathfinding and tracking should be much easier on the way back than it was on arrival.

We should also focus on maintaining our oaths of secrecy to Kasper and Sam. We'll be in big trouble if our involvement in the Secret War and the Wytes is revealed.
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>>4057400
Right now I'd rather send the both of them back together and make sure Sir dan Marc keeps an eye on him.
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>>4057364
>>4057236

You used comparing it to radiation to defend it as being dangerous in proximity, not just by use.

>>4057329


This is where you claimed that chronic exposure would "permanently lower" our sterility if it acted similar to radiation

>>4057216
This is where you doubled down claiming that Forgotten had in your own words "hadn't given creedance to the idea that its effects are relatively similar to radiation". You then claimed that it was merely a useful analogy however that means that since it didn't actually necessarily work like radiation then there's no actual evidence to support it causing our virility to decline from low levels of exposure.

Although actually if it did work like radiation that would explain why it affects sorcerers, if casting magic instead of merely using it through the medium of totems and runes and charma involves having the magic enter your body directly it could build up the same way radioactive material can when a person is contaminated by radioactive material.

You're extrapolating based on an incorrect belief about how radiation affects people that the statement that exposure to high magic levels being harmful means that exposure to lower levels and outside the body would eventually cause the same results.

Forgotten has said nothing about how magic works at low levels. It's entirely possible that outside of a container to maintain its concentration it rapidly decays or disperses. Or that humans are unable to easily absorb it in the first place, which would make sense given how they aren't able to use it without significant training, effort, and tools. So it's entirely possible that without reaching a certain amount of density that it simply bounces off people, or alternatively passes directly through them.

Which is also what different types of radiation does. Alpha radiation is heavy and easily stopped by skin, but can cause damage if ingested because it can't escape and will build up. Beta radiation can pass through skin, but it also disperses quickly when released so without being concentrated it's not harmful. Gamma radiation is dangerous though, it's energetic enough to pass through people without dispersing and damaging them in the short time it takes. Neutron energy is so energetic that it passes through before it can lose any energy that would harm.

If magic *does* work like radiation, it would make sense to have lower levels be harmless, more energitic magic be harmful to be exposed to, while high magic would be able to disrupt our DNA throughout our body by its presence.

And if it doesn't work like radiation then there's no justification to speculate that the effects of High magic exposure are predictive of other types of exposure.
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>>4057404
But Dan Marc isn't loyal, and the Queensmen are guarding the roads. Our mother specifically warned us in her letter against returning that way.
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>>4057400
Fair enough. However it will be much more difficult to return by road as the Queensmen solidify their presence in Mott-Fallon now they have won control of the pit where the Son of Sin was, as well as Emile overheard the 2nd pillar insist on executing the no witnesses order without compromise to exterminat the Jays agains Sir Gilberns objections. Not only will they be able to consolidate their presence, but any aid from the Jays for Damien will be less likely. Honestly I'm worried that if they are being too severely pressed Damien might actually decide to join them or try to bring them along.

If people really insist on travelling overland, then it should be done immediately. Thay would also mean however that it would be difficult to regain Dan Marcs loyalty enough to trust him to not report Damien to the proper authorities as a Knight is obligated to do. He owes us, not our brother, and we didn't have anything to do with the Jays or Fae until Damien dragged us in.

As well, they longer we take the less time we have for Damien to take a ship home ahead of us while we act to delay pursuit and confuse investigations.
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>>4057237
>“It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
>> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
DEUS VULT
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>>4057415
How about taking Damien along with us for a while? Just until the capital or Pascae where he can take a ship to Romaine or until we know more about the situation back home.
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn
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Honestly the Cynic choice makes me wonder which side our parents would throw in their support with
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>>4057237
> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
another skaldening, when?
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>>4057544
Well, I mean sure that works for me since that works for what I feel is the optimal plan.
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I don't have strong feelings about this one but if we consider the potential consequences as >>4057269 >>4057271 have we can assume that...

Attacking the Norsikans settlements might cause retaliation raiding along the coasts of Canton.

Taking the field in force against the Bluejays might intentionally involve the fae into the conflict.

Scapegoating a noble house might drag the secrete war into open conflict.

What a troublesome choice.
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
>> “Let the people believe the Bluejays truly are such a threat as to warrant royal involvement. We can rally the nearby lords from the west and east to lend support and drive out the threat.” It does not matter whether it is common outlaws or illegal settlements, they have relinquished the right to call themselves the Queen’s subjects. [Taciturn]
Changing to this.
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>>4057613
ignore this post.
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>>4058156
If interrogated the bluejays might rat out Emile. Or might give up information to prevent conflict. I was pretty torn on this because we just couldn't get to a common ground with them. I would like to see the Wytes get stomped but it's probably best if they fade away.

Tanking a few Noble houses could have ramifications for us as well. Glasdale is a friend. Hewitt is a copper-clipper so he can go to hell. Alderauge is still a relative unknown.

Conflict with Norsikaa doesn't have much downside that I see. Opportunities for glory really
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>>4058256
Conflict with Norsikaa might make the crossing even harder, and with nunneries getting attacked in southern isles of Romaine I dread to think what might happen if ships they have a drawn elsewhere to counter the Norsikaans.
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>>4057237
>> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4058156
>there is already talk of foreigners and Fae in conspiring to launch a second War of Borders.”
>foreigners and fae
the fae might get involved in this war, not only they're is gonna be a war on their lands and they will have to do something in the banquet there was a norsikan representative that will imply that the norsikan could ask the fae for help on this war maybe
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>>4057237
> “It need not be a lie. The kingdom’s grip on the north coast communities grows feebler each passing year. Bringing one of their enclaves to heel will serve as a decent cover while also sending a message to foreign powers.” The north coast was a launchpad of the Norsikaan incursions in the War of Borders, it will not be so again. [Haughty]
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>>4057237
> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]
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>average 25 votes each update
>first update new thread 37 votes

Yeah, righto...

Still, I can hardly call foul play given everyone is going to be 1 post IDs.

> “A scapegoat then. Some noble house that lent the Bluejays support. That level of treachery would be enough to warrant our attention, and serve as a fine example to those still undecided on who to throw their in their lot with. Someone involved, but not yet cemented in their alliance. Hewitt, Glasdale, even Alderauge.” Andrei. The last is thought, not said. The Second Herald does not wish it to come to that. [Cynic]

Internal politics intensifies. An example shall be made. Oh where, oh where will the heavy hammer drop?
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>>4058780
Perhaps you should have gone with a less dangerous vote for the first opening one then. Something to mull for the next thread onwards.
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>>4058780
Just ban the votes of anyone who didn't involve themselves in inane shitposting arguments and therefore don't already have 10+ posts

/s
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>>4057429
this is my IP at school, it should remain static hopefully
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>>4058780
the samefaging has tramautized you it seems, really you are a little paranoic also
>the scapegoat wins
Sheet, I'm getting ready for the NOOOO
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>>4058805
I hope it lands on hewitt.

I dont think many will mourn.
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>>4058805
Honestly I voted for it because the guy insisting they keep eliminating all potential witnesses with all their effort seems to have accepted the necessity of striking down men who do not deserve it.

As well, it's far easier to control a man than a war. Not to mention that there's a good chance some Noble is doing something that they can justify their presence in Pascae as investigating.

I mean, the Faction Knights already know what's going on. They won't want to openly stand against the Queensmen. Remember the Neutral faction is considerable and they'll likely act to suppress the side that initiates any open as being the party in the wrong.

Ain't no way they're gonna let it escalate when they have the Serpent Empire preparing to try and invade once their power peaks.
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>>4057406
Okay so it not radiation like then, thank you for that correction anon.

>>4058805
here comes the pain train anon
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Senedag, 1st Day of Novrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fae Enclaves, Past-Midnight
> Persusasion Roll, talk to the Fae Outcase during the ritual.
> 2 Success
> A Moment of Vulnerability. Your new companion will be COMRADE status. LOYAL perquisite revealed.
> Double Fail
> Magic Exposure. Sir Andrei is reduced to Battered status for the next day.

“Twig-That-Snaps-Underfoot, I had thought… I couldn’t sleep either.” You finish lamely.

A slight turn of the veiled Fae Outcast ‘s shoulder is all the indication you have that she heard you. Glancing down at what she is holding in her hands you see it is… her mask. The primitive slab of wood with childlike markings and feathers, you had thought it could not be removed. Long moments pass, you do not know what to say. Part of you is morbidly curious to see what lies beneath the veil, another part of you never wants to find out. You wonder what she is doing out here, standing at the edge of the boardwalk to stare into some moonlit pond. You notice a tremble in the Fae Outcasts hand. She is… scared.

You have little love for the Fae, but you are not without sympathy for this particular wildling. You step forward and place a comforting hand on her shoulder. “Come what may, I am here.”

A scarfed hand, raw and bleeding, is placed over your own larger, burlier human one. At least your presence is a reassurance rather than an annoyance. The Fae Outcast takes a deep breath, and then throws herself into the pond. You blink, you hadn’t expected that.

Long moments pass and there is no sign of the Fae Outcast resurfacing. Moments seep into seconds, seconds into a minute and you grow increasingly uneasy. Everywhere you look only your shifting reflection stares back at you, but in the corner of your eyes, just out of focus… there is something else in the pool than one reckless Fae. Something big. The hairs on your neck rise, how old is this centuries old pool? How deep does it go? And how long can a Fae juvenile hold their breath?

”…oh Cain on the fucking Cross!” You blaspheme raucously as your pull your shirt overhead and throw your boots off. You can’t believe you’re even -considering- this, rescuing some Fae teenage from… from whatever the Pit is in that bottomless pond. “I must be bloody mad!”

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“N'uma!” The rough hand of the Fae Warden, Root-Marries-Rock-in-the-High-Places, grabs you mid-dive. You were inches from breaching the waters surface. “Sai- astald, Edan. Lackwit. Nan' astald. Tanya palurin naa il- ten' lle nostale.”

It is the first words you have ever heard him speak.

Another Fae brushes past the both of you, you recognise him as the eerie Maker of Masks. You don’t know how but they step into the pond you just saw the Fae Outcast dive into as if the water was only knee-deep. He holds an odd-looking instrument, pronged like a trident, and utters a haunting shamanic chant as he wades through the dark water.

Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er….
Soora amin ooma….
Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er….
Soora amin ooma….
Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er…


Behind him in the somehow knee-deep water the Fae Warden looms watchfully, giant blade drawn and ready to strike. The edge glows like a sunlit emerald, and it must be a trick of the light but you could swear that the Warden’s hand and hilt of the vibrating weapon are molded into one.

Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er….
Soora amin ooma….
Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er….
Soora amin ooma….
Tul a ai er… Tul a ai er…


Finally the wizened Maker of Masks whoops victoriously and plunges the trident down, the water thrashes. The Warden steps forward, blade low, and hauls the thing ashore like some fisherman’s prize.

The gelatinous bundle of limbs, bare naked as a newborn babe and coated in some sickly looking ichor, practically oozes sorcerous energies from it’s mere presence. You take a step forward to aid the Warden pulling it out of the pool, his giant blade drawn, before you stumble, head spinning, and empty the contents of your stomach on the bridge boardwalk.

[2/3]
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[3/3]

>GAINED COMPANION - Ranged
>Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All LOYAL prerequisite revealed: The Fae Outcast will become LOYAL if Sir Andrei takes them to a realm outside of Cantôn.
>Foreign Shores: “Amin naa i' yeste' en' amin nostale van- sina ndor. Amin il- caela uma sina avaene lle.”

”What the Pit was that…” You ask yourself, trying not to vomit again. The bear pendant on your chest pulses violently.

“Asketh a qu'ry i can answ'r.”” Burdens-Ashen-Olive-Branch steps forward from the dark behind you. You whirl around, is half the Fae Enclave here tonight?

You turn back as the Warden carries the slimy bundle away to Almighty knows where. “Then… then what happened to Twig-That-Snaps-Underfoot? What is she?”

You had expected some illusion or Fae trick. But it is plain to the eye that the changes, or whatever it is, has very material effects. The sickly bundle of limbs are slender and their proportions odd, but not so much you would give more than a second glance if you passed them on the street in Grenoble. Their physicality is markedly less alien and much more… more human.

“Yond is not Twig-That-Snaps-Underfoot. Yond is Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All. Neith'r is the oth'r, yet both art the one thee calleth 'Outcast'.”

”Her name is now Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All?”

“Aye. Anon, and p'rhaps at each moment wast. Though p'rhaps a m're human monik'r wouldst beest bett'r suiteth h'r on the road.”

A more human moniker then…

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>”I shall call her Fool.” Ironic, that she should play the fool and in so doing fool every passerby as to her true nature. [Haughty]

>”I shall call her Jester.” Well that was… interesting. Perhaps she will learn to do tricks. The non-magical kind. [Hearty]

>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]

"Born anew... Kid... Kid will do just fine."
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>>4058842
Translation for those who dont have the link readily available:

>“N'uma!”
>"Stop!"

>“Sai- astald, Edan. Lackwit. Nan' astald. Tanya palurin naa il- ten' lle nostale.”
>"Very brave, human. Stupid but brave. That world is not for your kind."

>The song:
Come little er… come little er….
Follow my voice….
come little er… come little er….
Follow my voice….
come little er… come little er…
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]

We're responsible for her now and are her guardian/father figure
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058856
>father figure

Good point, after we sit down and have a chat with her we can tell her to call us Daddy Emile
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058849
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>>4058843
>“Aye. Anon, and p'rhaps at each moment wast.

yfw he breaks the 4th wall.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058849
Thanks for the translation.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall call her Fool.” Ironic, that she should play the fool and in so doing fool every passerby as to her true nature. [Haughty]
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>>4058843
>”I shall call her Jester.” Well that was… interesting. Perhaps she will learn to do tricks. The non-magical kind. [Hearty]
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>>4058843
Forgotten shouldn't her companion status be loyal instead of comrade? We did gift her the crit favor and thus give her the chance to explore the world. The crit favor doesn't seem like much if all it did was grant +5 DC in a single roll. It seems a bit much to have it go from sister for life to down to just comrade because it was 2 success instead of 3.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]

Seriously, what kind of dick would choose to do otherwise.
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>>4058886
This whole ritual wouldn’t be possible without the favour
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>>4058886
The critsuccess favor/boon granted us a re-roll (which became meaningless along with the other two re-rolls because of that double fail) in the last roll and not +5 dc bonus (which would have been actually better as it would've turned that double fail into a double success). But yeah its effects are underwhelming for a crit.
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You guys are so ungrateful, we passed our crit success on to the Outcast. We don't get to do that and then sit around bitching about not benefiting off it properly. Especially given the different cultural values. What did the crit give us? Some favour with the Outcast since we gave it to her. What did it get her? I complete re-imagining of who she is. She's been re-cast, re-born, made new and now is able to travel outside of her domain somewhat freely. That's not nothing. The results of the crit weren't underwhelming, we provided someone with a new identity which seems to be something they desperately wanted and we've earned some trust with them because of it. Is that enough to make them bonded to us like family? Fuck no, or apparently not. Different cultures, and it's only one act of kindness that could be interpreted a million different ways rather than a pattern of behaviour that shows we give a shit
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>>4058905
Yeah shouldn't that affect her companion status? She wouldn't have been able to even have the ritual if we didn't confer the crit boon to her.

>>4058914
Thanks for the correction.
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>>4058886
Imagine being in hard situation and someone gives you one million bucks. You are grateful toward them probably would help them best to your capabilities. Question is would you lay your life down for them?

Also favor was not about receiving something it was about paying of our debt.
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>>4058918
The crit boon only gave us one reroll for one single roll with her which was invalidated by a double fail. The effects of a double fail turned the effects of a crit success meaningless. It meant nothing.
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>>4058926
Don't forget the widely different results for the different success results. 3 success gets you sister for life, but the only difference between 2 success and 1 success is that you get a prerequisite in 2 success.
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>>4058926
Complaining like that is cringy as fuck. If you ever see yourself acting like that be this quest or playing rpg with your friends please stop.
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>>4058886
Are you saying she should be moved to the point if loyalty because we used the favour to pay most but not all of the debt we owed her?

Becausr that seems kinda off.
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>>4058918
It's okay for a Knight tonbw mean spirited and petty so long as it's towards someone without social standing. After all, it's so inconvenient to pay back a lide debt ao we might as well secretely strike a blow at hwr by taking her into the human world for the first time with a weird name that's derogative.

We shouldn't feel obligated to keep the aame standards when nobody is there to call us out on it. Just becausr she saved our life, that just means we owe her a debt to paid, not that we should think of her as a person leaving the only home she's known to wander the world while risking being hunted and killed if she didn't take a major risk to chenge enough to blend in.

Let's give her a funny name ton fit her funny talk so we never forget that she doesn't deservw anything more tham the bare minimum to repay the debt, not wvwn the simple kindness we would give the meanest begge among men.

After all, if we don't drive her away she might save our life again.
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>>4058941
go to bed or stop using drugs
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>>4058926
I think gifting the crit favor to her should've gotten a save for that interaction roll instead of another re-roll that can only be used once. Double fails can't turn saves null unlike re-rolls.
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>>4058929
Actually no.


1 = Worlds Apart. Your new companion will be COMRADE status.
2 = A Moment of Vulnerability. Your new companion will be COMRADE status. LOYAL perquisite revealed.
3 = Behind the Mask. Your new companion will be LOYAL. SISTER-FOR-LIFE perquisite revealed.

3 would be loyal. With SFL conditions revealed.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]

Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All so let's go with Jessica and Jess for short.
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>>4058843
>>”I shall call her Fool.” Ironic, that she should play the fool and in so doing fool every passerby as to her true nature. [Haughty]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4058843
>”I shall call her Jester.” Well that was… interesting. Perhaps she will learn to do tricks. The non-magical kind. [Hearty]
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>>4058993
I like it. Supporting.
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>>4058993
Yeah this makes sense, close to what she chose but actually normal human shit so she doesn't get discovered and gutted
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>>4058993
Shouldn't it be a Romani name?
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>>4058993
>>4059085
>>4059086
>>4059097
How about Emilie or Emily?
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>>4059102
seems a bit self absorbed
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>>4059102
That's a little on the nose given the MCs name is Emile
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>>4059085
I kind of want to give her a list of names and see which one she likes. If she's going into human lands,she should have a human name,but she should be able to choose which name.
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>>4059102
That's a great name. Name her Emilie and Em for short. Supporting

>>4059107
Emile is haughty so it makes sense.

>>4059115
Supporting this too.
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>>4059115
+1 to this. Show her all the female names and let her choose which one you'll name her. Make sure it's a Fallavonic female name.
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>>4059115
Support
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>>4059126
>Salve Reginae
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>>4059146
Not a recommendation,just worst case scenarii.
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>>4059102
>>4059121
I don't want people to think she is our bastard daughter.
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>>4059121
he's proud yes but not to the point of self absorbtion, and others have pointed out people may mistake her for a bastard daughter or sister of ours something I'm sure Emille will want to avoid.

>>4059115
this isn't a bad option I suppose, we've largely given and respected her autonomy I don't suppose naming should be any different.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist
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>>4058855
>>4059053
>>4059062
>>4059196
That's an awful lot of 1 post IDs, voting for the same thing, without linking any previous votes. Am I just paranoid?
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>>4059210
Im on my phone and my id chnahes all the time and this is like the 2nd vote of this thread buddy, and alots of people want the same thing.
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>>4059210
Like we’re literally on the 2nd vote. I think its inevitable.
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>>4059224
>>4059213
Aw shit, we're only on the 2nd vote? My bad. didn't notice with all the posts we've had
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>>4058843
>>”I shall call her Jester.” Well that was… interesting. Perhaps she will learn to do tricks. The non-magical kind. [Hearty]

Giving her a human name and baptizing her sounds like absolute Heresy. She's a Fae for Cain's sake!
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>>4058843
>>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
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>>4059281
We went actually going to baptize her. As for the name, she is getting one so we can refer to her as such in human company. It's not like we are making her an honorary human.
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
Supporting this >>4059115
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>>4059210
Literally the second vote in thread, calm down fag.
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>>4059210
As for me, I lurk often but scarcely vote.
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>>4058993
Supporting.
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>>4059291
Except she's not a human. Treating her as one puts her equal to humans. Fae are not humans, they are the subhuman Foe.
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>>4059115
I like the gesture, but isn't a bit redundant since we are likely to vote on which one she will want?
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>>4059512
She saved our life. She is of the Foe, and we thus have reason to be wary,but she has shown that she is not necessarily "our" foe. As for treating her as an equal, no man is truly equal to another. Treating her with some of the courtesies and respect normally reserved for humans does not make her any less Fae. Also, treating her with unnecessarily hostility would not only be rude to her,but dishonorable to ourself as a knight of Canton.
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>>4059530
Not if Forgotten picks it based upon his notes on her. Plus, she would likely appreciate it in story.
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>>4058843
>>4058993
Support this.
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>>4058993
Supporting.
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>>4059210
This vote is hardly controversial and has nearly full support for one option

>>4058993
Supporting this

>>4057284
This was me
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>>4058843
>>4058993
I'll back this
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>>4059210
You're a 1 post
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>>4058843
>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]
also supporting the jess option if we're including it, sounds nice, and I kind of doubt she really cares what her 'human' name is. I assume the fae names they have are much more significant than what they're merely called.
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>>4060521
Just gonna point out that it could go the other way. We could be taking on an implied responsibility for naming her.
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>>4059097
So Juscyka
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>>4060990
Juscyka Bylat! Stalker, I hear you!
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>>4059097
Why Romani? We could say she is from just about anywhere considering how she now looks and how strange her behaviour will be
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>>4061217
This is fine.

I endorse this name.
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>”I shall give her a proper human name.” You’ll need to read up on your scripture for appropriate names. And whether a baptism will cause her to melt. [Idealist]

“I shall giver her a proper human name.” Mother did mention if she had another daughter, Heaven forbid, she would name her Juscyka. Perhaps something of a more Fallavon bearing, like Jess…

“As thou wilt.” If the idea of a Fae bearing a human name is insulting to Burdens-Ashen-Olive-Branch, he gives no indication of it. “ Thee shouldst receiveth some rest whilst thou can, Sir Andrei. Thee has't a longeth journey ahead of thee on the m'rrow.”

You can hardly argue with that. You have no recollection of how you made your way back to your bed, but you awake that morning as well rested as one can expect from a half-night’s sleep. If still a little nauseous.



The Edge of the Fae Enclaves, Mid-morning



There is little in the way of a send-off from your Fae hosts, and the Bluejays are nowhere to be seen. A few that had appeared all too friendly with your brother had said their goodbyes earlier. Only Burdens-Ashen-Olive-Branch and the Fae Warden are present, the latter handing you back your snapped blade with a touch more reverence than when he took it. Your brother has lent you the use of his ordinary sword, but you take the weapon back with a murmured thank you for keeping it safe. You would say you had made a friend of Root-Marries-Rock-in-the-High-Places, nor do you care much to, but earning the fellow warrior’s grudging respect is a feat that strokes your knightly pride somewhat.

“Auta varna, Ohtar. Tenna' lye omenta au'.” There is something awfully familiar about him, and the way he scratched his missing ear just now stirs memories of half-forgotten dreams.

“As that gent sayeth.” The Ashen offers you a friendly wave, another eerily human gesture from the Fae sorcerer. “May the windeth beest at each moment at thy backeth, and the travelling lamp shineth at each moment on thy visage.”

[1/2]
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The newest addition to your crew earns a few raised eyebrows, and Mikail is obviously full to the brim with questions that he cannot ask. All were present when you agreed to allow the Fae Outcast to travel with you, but this is certainly not them. And perhaps not even a Fae. But your companions do not press the issue, or are content to leave it be for now. Even your inquisitive brother takes your curt explanation that this is your new hireling with a curious shrug of the shoulders. After all, it is mainly your temporary beastfolk guide that has their attention for the moment..

Yanterung, the man-sized fox creature, explains that he’s not as familiar with the southern trails as he is the north. “But I know secret woods like well. We see southern menfolk over River River and back to lost country in week only. Take most direct trails, yes?”

You had set out into the Fallavon woods on the 14th Day of Ovrimun, giving you a little under two weeks to return to Motte-Fallavon. There is still some time to explore on your way back. Even a finding as simple as some mushrooms will help cover your expenses. With two guides familiar with the lay lands, who knows what else you might find out here if you step off the beaten bath?

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> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]

> “We shall make our own trail. The trail that we blaze!” You should seek out some real treasures, likely guarded by equally real danger. You have time for a little more adventure, or another beastie to bag as Sir Rabe would say. [Hearty]

> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]


Little extra coin will be helpful but lets not go stirring up dragons nests
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]

There is a redheaded lady waiting and we should find plenty of adventure in a week's travel.
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>> “We shall make our own trail. The trail that we blaze!” You should seek out some real treasures, likely guarded by equally real danger. You have time for a little more adventure, or another beastie to bag as Sir Rabe would say. [Hearty]
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4058856
>>4059126
Me
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>>4061478
>> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]

let's be done with this place.
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]


A couple more wealth would be a fine addition and our party is strong and hale with loyal guides.

I think we’ll be fine
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>>4061514
This is me >>4061229

ID changed for some reason. Reee
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
My first post, but
>quick route.
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>>4061478
>“Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]

This is a victory lap.

At this point we have:
Familiarity with the forest
2 full knight companions + 1 squire
A archer/tracker we actually trust our lives with
Another guide who should be trustworthy with the dicerolls of the otterfolk.
The great bear's talisman that will deter most predators.

We'll have multiple rerolls on a relatively easy DC. Just by ourselves and our fae friend was a DC of 86. I think this should be a easy thing to get.
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>>4061530
We still have to worry about a possible ambush by Craven.
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
treasure hunting then
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>>4061533
I judge it as unlikely, i'll be more concerned with some form of trickery from the bluejays due to the doubles.

Craven's actions at the banquet showed even to him that his clear intentions against us had no support among those in attendance. Furthermore, any attack by him at this stage would also mean an attack on:
(1) A human who carries the great bears favour. Granted he is likely to not care but it'll be something he'll consider.
(2) An attack on a party with an actual member of the small faefolk. With him currently as a guest of the enclave, hurting the guide will likely create a great outcry for blood of the tribe. Something he should be wary against.

Also for some reason, his tribes shaman is a moderating influence and is likely to counsel him against such aggressive behaviour just in the wake of the banquet.
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>>4061533
Not to mention running into anyone still looking for witnesses. They may not buy it if we say "Oh nah, it's cool man, the First Herald said we can leave unharmed. Yeah just go track him down and ask, it's all good"

That being said, I'm still for doing a little looking around before heading home
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>>4061478
>> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
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>> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]

Let's be done with these goddamn forests.
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>>4061478
>> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
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>>4061478
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist
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>>4061478
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
Time to move on. We've been in the woods for months (two weeks game time)
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>>4061478
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
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>>4061478
>Ask guide if there a chance of Craven retaliation
IF YES
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
IF NO
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
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>>4061889
>>4057201
ME
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]

What could go wrong.
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>>4061851
As of last thread we’ve been in these woods for officially a third of the entire quest.
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>>4062524
Into the woodsman quest it was all along
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>>4061478
>“Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]

I want to cover the costs, but I also want to get out of these woods soon...
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>>4062524
Can't wait for us to get on a boat to Cathagi.

Makes that ranger gear + hawk purchase so worth it.
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
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>>4062591
We could also sell our ranger gear if we're truly pressed for wealth.
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>>4061478
> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
>>4059660
Was me, I hate mobile posting.
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>>4061478
> “Then there is plenty of time. A detour or two will not go astray.” You can take a roundabout route back to Motte-Fallavon, see what there is to on offer on the way home in this bountiful land for a knight with the right amount of daring. [Haughty]
>>4062524
>Are they still on Fallavek?
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>>4062945
>>4062678
>>4062524
Imagine how long Carthaggi is going to be
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>>4062996
I just pray that the storylines we follow all go in the same direction, rather then all over Cathagi.
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>>4063019
I doubt that a good chunk of them are stuck in Canton, we're going to have to make a choice if and when Canton goes to war if we join the Dragon guard.
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>>4063023
> we're going to have to make a choice if and when Canton goes to war if we join the Dragon guard.

Where is this coming from? Why would Canton start a war with Cathagi?

If they went to war with someone else, we would follow the orders of our Father, he's the one with the right and obligation to send us off or not.
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>>4062996
What is - timeskip.
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>>4063041
I'm talking more if the kingsman/Queensmen conflict escalates into an actual war rather than intrigues.

The choice would be between serving our tenure on the guard as a matter of honour most likely or returning home for family and country.

>>4063046
Point
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>>4063059
Honestly, given our standing and our house's lands and abilities, not getting involved in that hot mess sounds fantastic. Neutral faction all the way with Lord Aulderige.
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>>4063096
I think that skipping out on it is a disservice to Emille's character, it might be a hot mess but one we are obligated as a noble and knight to partake in regardless of what faction we end up involved in.
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>>4063116
So, either betray the Crown or betray our Faith?

Or stay out of it and save our strength to fight the ACTUAL enemies of Men?
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>>4062996
I WANT TO GET OFF MR FORGOTTEN'S WILD RIDE
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>>4063140
I suppose an argument could be made that it's not a betrayal of either but I lack the concentration at the moment to pursue such a thought

>Or stay out of it and save our strength to fight the ACTUAL enemies of Men?

That's a funny line of thought considering our stay with the Fae and we're considering serving the dragon
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>>4063116
Our house backs the king so we would be on that side of thr fight.
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>>4063164
The Dragon isn't an enemy, remember? Him and Adam and Caine made peace with each other.

Craven, or the Snakemen Empire, or the Undead in Romaine
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>>4063164
>>4063216
While peace is a strong word did Adam decided to spare the dragon and later made peace with the Wild. If we consider the Sons Of Sin and Adam getting martyred, its possible that the Wild did not break the pact but instead that the Sons that fell to sin murder Adam instead. The Wild made a convenient scapegoat to spare the infant nation of Canton a tale of fratricide in his founding. This is all mostly speculation on my part of-course.
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>>4063216
An enemy with a ceasefire is still an enemy, they made peace with the Fae and that didn't stop the war of borders or their vassals breaking the peace, they made peace with the dragon and Carthaggi and that didn't stop the crusades adamant or their involvment with the war of names and slaving raids

Also citation for the peace? I can only find sparing the dragon not explicit peace at a glance.
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>>4063236
Lol this >>4063232 coming right before this >>4063236

At least the first anon admits he was just making head canon up.

> Citation for peace

Yo you even read the pastebins? Cathagi and Canton have had periods of war and peace, we're currently in a peace period. If you go reread the thread we got the recommendation in, Forgotten explains that the Church is cool with Dragon Guards.
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>>4063319
>head canon
I think I'm basing my speculation on establish lore and our findings in the ruins. We know for a fact that the Sons of Sin really real and while we can doubt it's authenticity there is a version of The Brothers’ Twelve Passages they are to blame for the death of Adam.
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>>4063444
It's a good theory, but the details could vary wildly. Especially if Fae were involved in the creation of the Sons of Sin. It could be that they attacked the Wild after being unable to restrain themselves, breaking the pact themselves and leading to Adams death. Or the Wild broke the pact by driving the Sins insane or otherwise manipulating them if they were involved in their creation. Or the SoS killed Adam specifically to break the pact or maybe even because Adam agreed to it.

Another reason to go to Cathagi and search for information while continuing our pilgrimage.
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>>4063319
What exactly is headcannon in what I said? the Carthaggi were involved in the war of borders explicitly involved in both the Crusades adamant and were one of the the threats during the war of borders, I'll admit that the Fae are explicitly not mentioned specifically during the war of borders or at least as far as the pastebin concerns but the rampant beastmen incursion Fallavon faced during it speaks to a lack of either power or willingness to wrangle them into line through a desire for peace.

>Yo you even read the pastebins?

I was specifically asking because I couldn't access the pastebins at that point in time but yes I do though prehaps not enough to quote ad lib.

>Cathagi and Canton have had periods of peace

That peace has not obstruct slavers from praying on pilgrims on the road, or opportunistic invasions during times of crisis.

>If you go reread the thread we got the recommendation in, Forgotten explains that the Church is cool with Dragon Guards.

I can't seem to find it, I understand their is a level of societal acceptance regarding knights joining it particularly given the wealth and prestiege associated with it but nothing explicit from the church, but I may have just missed it.

>Brothers making peace with the Dragon

the closest I found in the pastebin to making peace with the Dragon is Adam getting Caine to spare it for reasons that are probably up for debate or at least clarification.
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>>4063544
>tfw you actually didn't fucking read that Adam spared the dragon for sparing Salva reginae

Disregard my dumb shit
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> “Then a week it is. Good, we shall return early.” You’ve had your full of gloomy forests and oversized predators. You have no appetite for further distractions. The direct route home is best, little risk and less discomfort. [Idealist]
>With your own growing familiarity with the terrain and two accomplished guides you will return to civilisation within the week and without risk of any unwanted encounters.

Your guides do not lead you astray, steering well clear of known human tracks and traditional monster hunting territory. You keep a watchful eye on the foxman, not fully trusting any beastfolk, but aside from his good-natured chatter and unsought after tips for forest living he gives you little cause for suspicion. Your other new companion, the Outcast you have begun referring to as ‘Jess’, has returned to her quiet ways. It is hard to blame her, even if you have started making inroads to gain her trust she is far from relaxed around other humans. Mikail keeps pestering her to perform tricks, but a sharp word from Sir dan Marc has him pipe down long enough for you all to enjoy some peace and quiet.

Aside from the obvious dangers, the relatively clean and comfortable stay in the Fae Enclaves was a welcome reprieve from the weeks of hard bush-living. The assistance of another hireling means your squire no longer buckles under the pack weights, but no one is spared by the many leagues of cross country slogging before you. Ants, bloodsuckers and other creepy crawlies also pose a constant annoyance, if not an outright danger. Though none of the biters so far have been identified by your guides as one of the poisonous ones. If you had any patience left for the travails of this cursed forest, one night caught out in the rain soon put paid to that.

Still, on occasion, the natural beauty of this untouched land gives one cause to pause from their worldly musing and gasp in wonder.

[1/2]
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[2/2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3bkiwU5XQ – Fallavon Homeward bound

In the morning, as you try to find just one pair dry socks in the bottom of your sodden pack, you look up from the makeshift shelter at the waterfalls and smile. This far east, the Clach Abhain splinters into many inlets and streams. Together, with the mountain streams flowing downhill to the west, these smaller rivers will pool together into the Lake Lamond which divides Fallavon from Montbrun. Yanterung steers you well clear of that area, where it is said sirens call treasure hunters and common fishermen both to their doom. Looking at the view under the bright morning sun, this alternative safer route does not seem so bad.

Laid upon the middle of the waterfall and splitting it in twain like the blade of some forest god, a great fallen oak larger than even the trees you saw in the enclaves has come to its final rest. Such is the size of the ‘bridge’ that a man could walk from one end of the slight incline to the other bank without wetting his feet. The trunk of the fallen tree is so large that from its decaying hollow several full-grown trees stretch up drinking in the sunlight along with moss and humbler vegetation. According to Yanterung, this secret crossing is present in all seasons, and will likely disappear in another decade at rotting wood gives ways to the inexorable flow of the river.

Catching the ever present rainbow gliding over the body of this ancient colossus, giving birth to new life, you are glad not to have missed it. But you do not regret leaving this behind by any means, another few days and you will be back to the realm of Man proper and glad of it. Still, you can see why the Maiden Sinclair enjoys her nature walks.

A week of hard travel is plenty of time to forge a bond. You have spent many a night huddled around the fire and swapping stories with all of your companions, but in particular your usual spot at the campfire is next to…

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(Select two)
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei

>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc

>Your squire, Mikail Andrei

>Your hireling, Orin

>Your hireling, Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All

>Your guide, Yanterung of the North Coast
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Anons have indicated that having a serious conversation with Sir dan Marc regarding his continued service and any misgivings is best held off until you return to a proper setting at Motte-Fallavon, in private. A vote not to talk to him now doesn’t mean that the conversation will not happen at some point, but I will leave that to you.

As always, write-ins regarding your choice and address will be taken into account.
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei

We'll wait until we're in civilisation and have had a chance to eat and wash up before we have the serious talk with dan Marc. I feel like we've neglected Mikail a bit though and obviously we need to spend time catching up with our brother. Plenty of time on the road to get to know Jess better
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
Serious talk about the logistics of going home, let him know we aren't going to let it go easily.

>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
New training, possibly sportsmanship see what he's picked up from our fight in the ruins.

Hold off on discussing things with Dan Marc until we get back to Fallavon then it's a priority one talk.
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>>4063677
*swordsmanship*
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc

This isn’t the big chat, but we need to start warming him up to us again - we can’t go into a large conversation cold.
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>>4063669
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063669
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei

>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
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>>4063669
>>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
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>>4063669
1
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei

2
>Your hireling, Orin

We have gotten to know all of our companions except for Orin. Get to know him and tell him that he did the right and honourable thing in the ruins.
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>>4063669
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
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>>4063669
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All
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>>4063669
welp there goes the possible shekels you fools
>Your guide, Yanterung of the North Coast
oh fox tell me more of this place what ""richest"" worth while can we find on our way in this place you know what I'm saying, how are the northmen doing over there on their lands
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063669
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063669
>Your hireling, Orin
>Your hireling, Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei

>Your hireling, Orin

Sigh. An easy opportunity for additional coin gone. Especially when our next step will need 5 out of our current 6 wealth.
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
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>>4063669
>Your hireling, Orin

>Your hireling, Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
About his future plans and getting him back home

>Your hireling, Orin
To chat with him, find out more about him and to see what he wants. Also we have to swear him to not tell a soul of what he said or did in the ruins lest he run afoul of the reginae and then reinforce that hes a good man with a good heart and should follow us.

WRT to Sir Dan Marc, we do need a talk with him but a chat in private back in civilisation would be better rather than now where theres hardly any but yet just completely ignoring the issue would not be a good idea.

I suggest in a quiet moment, like when we're relieving each other of the watch, we should mention to him: "Sir Dan Marc, my good man. When we get back to civilisation we should have a good chat about what we've done and what happens next." Let him know at least hes in our thoughts but we just need a suitable setting to discuss it fully.
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>>4063669
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063669
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
Considering we chose the reluctant-but-yes choice for Jester, it feels more natural to go a bit slow in the beginning, let her experience her new identity for a bit. We've got Important Stuff to talk to with our brother, and I feel like we havent had a mikhail post in 5 threads, the boy deserves a bit of attention.
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>>4063669
>Write-in for Sir Neil Dan Marc (Hearty)

>You invite Sir Neil Dan Marc to sit beside you in the campfire. Both of you share small talk and reminisce about Lord Duncan's Tourney. After a while, you start to discuss more than small. ''You should know that your concern has not gone unnoticed by me, Sir Neil,'' you say with an assuring smile.

>You gaze into the camp's fire as you address Sir Dan Marc. ''There is something that you must know of. Something that everybody must know of.''

>You begin to retell your experiences after departing the ruins. ''When I left the ruins, I was completely on my own. I ventured into the woods and thankfully came across Jess, the fae outcast whom we first met during that night in the camp. We headed to the fae enclave where I expected the Wytes to have sought refuge in with you. During our journey however, we came face to face with a basilisk. Jess knew it was coming before it even found us and climbed a tree to hide atop of it. Unfortunately, I did not share her climbing skills. I decided to face the basilisk on my own. The fight... I can't even call it a fight. I couldn't even inflict a single wound on it. All I could've done was hold on for dear life. It began to to coil around my body and slowly suck the life out of me. I truly thought that I was going to die.''

>You then close your eyes as you continue. ''However, Jess came to my aid and slew the basilisk from atop of the tree. Throw after throw, stone after stone. She did not cease till it was dead. Both me and the basilisk went down into a pond. I lost conscious while I was drowning. I woke up to find myself on solid ground. She rescued me out of the pond and healed my injuries with healing herbs.''

>You open your eyes and produce the basilisk scale, your snapped blade, and the scar that the basilisk inflicted on you and show them to Sir Dan Marc. ''There is one thing that is certain: I would not be sitting here right now if she didn't save my life. I would have been eaten alive by the basilisk. If she had any malicious intent, then she didn't have to even do anything. All she had to do was flee while letting the basilisk eat me or leave me to drown with it. She saved me out of a genuine desire to do so.''

>You look to Sir Dan Marc and let out a hearty laugh. ''It is quite a queer thing don't you think? I, Sir Emile of house Andrei, Knight of Romaine, saved by a fae child girl.

>You place your hand on Sir Dan Marc's shoulder and address him. ''Know this Sir Neil, I won't force anything on you. I won't force anything on any of my companions. If you desire to be released from my service, then you shall have it. If you desire to serve for my lord father instead of me, then you shall have it with a letter of recommendation from me. If you desire to stay as my sworn man, then you shall have it. Don't even fret about your debt. You have more than fully repaid with your service to me.''

>''What say you, Sir Neil?''

What do you think everybody?
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei

>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
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>>4063851
It is a good fireside tale but the setting is a detriment to a good open conversation where he feels he is able to openly talk about his concerns.

If you consider his behaviour throughout this trip, not once has he raised a concern about our course of action in public or in private, showing that he understands that openly questioning his lord in public is a poor choice and privacy is in vastly short supply here in such close proximity.

Without a good private one-on-one, he is unlikely to feel comfortable to share his innermost thoughts and this may cause a boilover if we roll low enough; that he denounces us on the spot angrily and viciously.
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>>4063669

>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063990
Sir Neil Dan Marc woops dodnt read that we could do 2 at once.
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>>4063680
>>4063691
>>4063694
>>4063697
>>4063703
>>4063706
>>4063712
>>4063734
>>4063778
>>4063852
>>4063990

Gentlemen, if we're spending time with Sir Dan, we cannot, absolutely cannot have the big conversation here by the fire. Based off his behaviour, he will be inclined to hold his tongue in public and he will not feel free to fully express himself. Ref: >>4063946
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>>4064017
what are we even gonna say to him? "Hey I know you're kinda pissed I've been helping rebels, fae, and all manners of foe, but they're actually pretty chill sometimes and also my brother wanted me to do it"? Letting go to our fathers estate or whatever is probably for the best at this point. I highly doubt we can change his mind, gonna be a DC 20 roll calling it right now
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>>4064104
letting him go*
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>>4063669
>Your hireling, Orin
>Your hireling, Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All

Mostly because I think this is a good chance to get a feel for the Orin and to help inform Jester about the world they are about to walk into.
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>Your squire, Mikhail Andrei

Please, no conversations with dan Marc yet. As others have said, we need to be able to talk to him in some place safe and separate from everyone else.
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>>4064017
The big one on one isnt going to happen by the fire chill your fagy ass, we just going to be having nornal talks as we havent spent much time doing that.
Trying to repair a little bit befor the big talk.
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>>4064313
Exactly this
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>>4063669
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your squire, Mikail Andrei
Our brother is alive and starting the journey home. We have to properly thank these two. Just remind them that everything we did in those woods was to bring him home. They have the eternal gratitude of the Andrei family.
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>>4063669
>>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei
>>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4064313
Its not particularly clear. Not when other anons are posting write-ins to that effect.
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>>4063669
>>4063694
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Orin

Changing
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>>4063669
I just realized you called him Mikail Andrei. He's not an Andrei. Andryski
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>>4065411
I’ve made that exact same mistake before too, dang it
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>>4063712
Im gonna change my vote
>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Orin
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>>4063669
>Your brother, Young Lord Damien Andrei

>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc

> "Sit with me, Brother. I wish to introduce to you properly sir Neil Dan Marc. Sir Dan Marc, I must say that first of all I cannot express the depth of my gratitude for your service these past few weeks. I could not have dared to have asked for what you gave freely, without demand or complaint."

> "I cannot say that fighting beside traitors and heretics, to save Beastmen and beasts, is honourable. What I can say, and I hope this was why you stayed despite it, is that while I could not claim to have any honour at all if I used that as an excuse not to act."

> "In keeping to the code I swore to when I became a Knight, I choose to raise my sword against fellow Knights and those in their employ. I won't pretend it was a clean decision, but their heartless actions gave me no choice. Before Adam and Caine fought for us to be free, when the Holy Regina lost both her sons to become the mother of us all, the Fae kept Men as slaves, and hunted us like quarry. How can I stand and watch as those who swore to never let that again be our lives do that to other, not just noble Knights like my brother but even the Jays are still Men and entitled to their dignity. Not even Beastmen deserve that, lesser though they are, because is that not what the Foe told us when we were in chains?"

> "I understand that this was not a clean choice. A good cause doesn't wash away the stains of having killed Knights who were otherwise loyal to the Realm, and so I am willing to take responsibility for having made the choice for you as you were in service to me for a debt. If you wish to leave the service of my family, I will write you a recommendation to another Lord I know who is more conservative in his values, Lord Norvesky. I have some measure of friendship with him."

> "Damien, whether it was to uphold the service he swore for his debt despite the unfairness of it, or because we share the same values, our family owes Sir Neil Dan Marc a debt of gratitude. If he does choose to serve our family further, I must insist you and father accept him. If he chooses to seek service elsewhere, I must ask you to have father aid him in securing a position worthy of his qualities."

> "Of course, if you wish to stay with me as a companion I would be honoured; but I have had some strange encounters in these woods and in all honesty I seek answers that are becoming only more unsettling. Additionally, I find myself also carrying a debt which required some service in repayment to . . . Juscyka. It would be unfair of me to force more difficult decisions in regards to your honour and beliefs."
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>>4061475
>Mother did mention if she had another daughter, Heaven forbid, she would name her Juscyka.

I am still totally onboard with this name
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>>4065582
>>4064017
Good point. Switching to Dan Marc and Orm.

Still, I want to keep this write in.

>>4064516
Our Brother is coming with us to Pascae at least. No way he's travelling the roads back alone or even with Dan Marc who isn't even a Noble, that's just asking to have the Order of Names kill him.
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>>4065585
Forgotten already stated before that Damien isn't even on the Order of Names' radar you fuckwit.
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>>4063764
>>4065582
I want to discuss it with Dan Marc and Damien at the same time so that we can make it clear that Damien owes him as well, especially if some people want Dan Marc and Damien to travel together. That way we get Damien to acknowledge the debt and to help Dan Marc in front of us to reassure Dan Marc that Damien will honour it, since he doesn't know Damien at all except that he is a Bluejay sympathizer and dragged us into the mess where we had to fight against Knights of the realm and hide from the Queensmen. Having a guarantee of either employment with us or support getting it elsewhere should be enough for him to stay faithful to Damien during the trip.
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>>4065595
This has got nothing to do with anything but it triggers me so much watching you write dan Marcs name wrong over and over again
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>>4065592
Wow you're cunty today.

Travelling alone on the roads sure sounds like a great opportunity to quietly get rid him him, which Forgotten also said they would be happy to do.

Our mother specifically warned us the roads weren't safe, if we send him back it should be with at least a group of people or another Noble.

>>4065601

Huh. It's a little dan Marc. You know what, I can make that change.
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>>4065605
I never said he should travel alone stawmaning fuckwit. He's still not on the Order of Names' radar and have no reason to try to kill him or do anything to him like you said faggot. Forgotten already clarified this.
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Alright chill with the namecalling
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>>4065613
Wheres that again? i dont actually recall this but if it is, its good. Then again he is on the reginae's radar.
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Also FYI cheers to the guys that link back to their vote if they intend to change it, that does help when I’m making the count.
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>>4065626
He's on the radar but not number one, he's a "kill if the opportunity arises.

I believe it was either near the end of last thread or the beginning of this one.
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>>4065634
Yea. We'll need to get him out of this area quietly.

Hell, actually, we should ask to borrow his shield. Its the same andrei sigil and they people there already know of us. It'd not raise questions, minor that they may be, like someone else carrying an andrei shield.
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>>4065605
>>4065601
It is actually IC important as the ‘dan’ (Or ‘von/van/de/san’ equivalents indicate that they are ‘new nobility’.) Even if it was generations ago, an ancestor was raised to the nobility from the common classes. So if Mikail Andryski was knighted in the Roiguard he would be Sir Mikail san Andryski, or something else if he was granted actual Title to Land over a farm in Shireville he would be Mikail san Shireville etc.

Effectively it can be an indicator of where a new noble sits in the pecking order, though age of the name does not always lock that in.
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>>4065642
Does it ever go away?

When a new noble is knighted, where does the surname come from? Is there a fief named Marc?
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>>4065666
Yes, I think we covered that in an earlier conversation with Sir dan Marc. His father was granted land but, as Fallavon is more 'traditional' (backwards) the peasant/noble distincton is more stark in Fallavon and the Title of the land reverted back to Duke Fallavon upon the father's death while Neil kept the title and his father's equipment.
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>>4065681
Oh no. I didnt mean the fief but the middle joiner for his name. Does the dan ever go away.
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>>4065685
Never officially. But unscrupulous young houses, especially in Pascae where their blood mixes with that of merchants like cheap one, take to dropping the use of the mid-name themselves and even going so far as to forge documents attesting to their legitimacy if they can get away with it, though the punishment for such is so severe that most would never dare. Less unscrupulous houses seeking to lose it will 'marry up' so to speak.
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>>4065694
*cheap wine
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>>4065634
>He's on the radar but not number one, he's a "kill if the opportunity arises.

That's for the Order Reginae not the Order of Names. Don't confuse shit. He's literally not even on the Order of Names's radar and they have no reason to do shit to him. Check the last thread before you open your mouth.
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>Your sworn man, Sir Neil dan Marc
>Your hireling, Orin

I appreciate the extensive write in but will not accept it (in full) as the general indication is to use this as a starting point later down the line for a serious conversation. Your present interaction with Sir dan Marc will be to thaw the ice, so to speak. I will pick and choose some of the good points raised in your paragraphs though, with a slight DC bonus. If you want to recycle it for later use then I’ll consider that as well.

To avoid confusion, I will conduct the two rolls separately.

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Persuade Roll – Sir Neil dan Marc
>Higher social standing / Reasonable request 70 DC
>Fashionable Clothing (no effect, rough setting)
>Wealth +0DC (no change until you return to civilisation)
>Partial write-in bonus +5DC
>Noble Privilege +1 Re-Roll
>Gave Aid to Bluejay’s +1 Adverse Re-Roll
>Saved the Beastfolk +1 Adverse Re-Roll
>Took on a Fae companion +1 Adverse Re-Roll
> 75 DC

0 = Traitor to your race. Your affiliation, nay, cooperation with rebels and Fae means that Sir dan Marc has already made his decision to part ways at the end of this expedition. Later conversation is UNREASONABLE, Retains all 3 Adverse Re-Rolls.
1 = I’ll take my chances elsewhere. Sir dan Marc does not feel comfortable continuing to serve a liegelord with your… ‘liberal’ attitude to the Foe. Later conversation is UNREASONABLE. Retains 2 adverse re-rolls.
2 = A reasonable proposal. Sir dan Marc has doubts, but many knights in his position would jump at the chance of secure service to a prestigious house. Later conversation is REASONABLE. Retains 1 adverse re-roll.
3 = My word is my bond. Sir dan Marc’s loyalty is of a nature that he will be reluctant to seek an end to his service unless he see’s no other option. Later conversation is REASONABLE and gain +1 Re-Roll.


3 rolls of 1d100. You have 1 re-roll. Sir dan Marc has 3 adverse re-rolls.

NOTE: I will not accept any re-rolls before all initial rolls and adverse rolls have been made. But after that, it is at the discretion of the rollers whether to use it or not.

Come, Sir dan Marc, share a drink by the fire…
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Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>4065708
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Rolled 5 (1d100)

>>4065708
Salve Reginae bless our rolls.
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Rolled 68 (1d100)

>>4065708
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Rolled 71 (1d100)

Whelp, I have my work cut out for me. Using the first adverse re-roll on >>4065709
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>>4065709
>>4065710
>>4065712
Good show everyone. Off to a good start.

>>4065714
Ayyy
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>>4065696
Anon, hes replying to me WRT he being on the order reginae hitlist but at a low priority currently.

Everyones in the right here and on the same page.
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>>4057102
>As far as I know, he is not even on the Order of Names radar unless his involvement with the Bluejays becomes common knowledge.
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Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>4065710
Second adverse re-roll.
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Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>4065712
Third adverse re-roll. Come on, let some of that Fallavon hillybilly shine through...
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Rolled 48 (1d100)

>>4065714
Re-rolling your re-roll I suppose. Lets see if I can keep the luck going
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>>4065714
>>4065721
>>4065722

AVE REGINAE~
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Oh I am dumb, that had already passed so I didn't need the re-roll woops. Can we ignore that?
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>>4065723
>> 75 DC

Mate. MATE.
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>>4065714
>>4065721
>>4065722
Yes! Sir Neil's loyalty and service is guaranteed.
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what is the dc . for your rerolls? same as ours?
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>>4065727
Yeah I had the numbers backwards because I was distracted
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>>4065723
Knigga...
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>>4065723
This shouldn't count since we already achieved full success and have no need to use a re-roll
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>>4065719
Cheers anon. That goes into the bookmark folder as critical info to be mindful of.

I'm not sure how i actually missed that...
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Bugger, well you guys are making inroads with Sir dan Marc at least. Let's see how you get along with Orin.

New rollers please.

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Persuasion Roll – Orin
>Higher social standing / Reasonable request 70 DC
>Fashionable Clothing (no effect, rough setting)
>Wealth +0DC (no change until you return to civilisation)
>Noble Privilege +1 Re-Roll
>Took on a Fae companion -5DC
> 65DC

0 = Shifty eyes. Frankly, Orin just wants to get out of this alive. You suspect he will cut and run at the first opportunity. DISLOYAL loyalty.
1 = Yes m’lord, no m’lord, three bags full m’lord. Orin is polite and careful not to get drawn into anything approaching an actual conversation with a noble. UNKNOWN loyalty.
2 = Goes with the wind. Orin doesn’t know what to make of the last few days. If he keeps his head down and does his job, he hopes to make it through alright. COMRADE loyalty.
3 = Serving a proper knight, if me ma could see me now… Career opportunities like this don’t come often, Orin is desperate to earn his place. COMRADE loyalty, LOYAL prerequisite revealed.


3 rolls of 1d100. You have 1 re-roll.

NOTE: New rollers please!

Here, take a seat Orin. It is ‘Orin’, isn’t it?
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Rolled 71 (1d100)

>>4065737
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Rolled 7 (1d100)

>>4065737
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>>4065737
One would have thought sparing his life when we had him dead to rights would have had a bonus to it.
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Rolled 74 (1d100)

>>4065737
>]
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>>4065729
Same as yours, so on low DC an adverse-roll is an absolute pain in the arse for you.

>>4065728
Not yet, but the next talk you have will go down over much easier than it would have otherwise.

>>4065723
We won't count that, but I will trust you lot to be more careful next time.
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>>4065739
Damn it. Do we even need to roll for Orin? We just wanna get to know him. I think it should be either auto success or very easy DC at least easier than dan Marc's
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>4065737
let's be frends come on
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>>4065739
you feeling lucky and want to reroll?
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>>4065741
Was that you specifically or more in general the assault group? Perhaps that was not generous of me, I don't think I ever called a vote for it decision-wise.

Even so, gaining a companion seems a material enough bonus.
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>>4065739
>>4065742
Either of you may use the re-roll.
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Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>4065737
>>4065739
Reroll
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>>4065744
We're basically at the point of a job interview so i guess its not unwarranted.

Might I suggest the reroll?

>>4065749
Probably more the assault group and fair enough I guess.
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Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>4065737
rerolling>>4065742
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>>4065744
I had assumed you wanted to win him over, 1 success on this is simply failing to do with without any further detriment.
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>>4065751
Nice work!

>>4065753
Bit slow but also nice work!
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>>4065751
>>4065753

Good job. At least hes a comrade now.

>>4065749
Oh yes, forgotten, what is his current equipment?
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>>4065751
>>4065753
Both been sharpening those, re-rolls I see. I will have to accept this one >>4065751
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>>4065751
>>4065753
Yay! Both are a success.
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>>4065757
Hardened leather (worse than chainmail) and a simple mace. Bugger all, really.
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>>4065760
>Hardened leather
A gambeson?
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>>4065760
...And he stood up to a couple of armoured knights and a bluejay raiding party by his lonesome for his unwillingness to let innocent beastfolk die?

God damn, I am impressed.
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I think that will be all for tonight gents, I will provide a content update detailing the results tomorrow night (ETA 24 hours).

In the meantime we can hash out the human name of Jester-Makes-Fool-of-All

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>Kid (QM must suffer edition). Folk will assume they are young.

>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.

>Juscyka, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Romaine.

> Other [Write-in]
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>>4065762
It is somewhat (but not wholly) countered by his part in the whole slavery operation to begin with in my opinion, but yeah he definitely has more balls than brains.
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.

Considering we're leaving Fallavon I think this works best. She's going to be weird, people from lands other than your own are "weird". It works. Also if we call her Juscyka and our mother finds out she's going to be pissed
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
never forget where you came from
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>>4065764
>>Juscyka, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Romaine.
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>>4065764
>Kid (QM must suffer edition). Folk will assume they are young.

>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>Kid (QM must suffer edition). Folk will assume they are young.

Because Qm must suffer

>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.

Because she could be a lost child from innawoods we took in as a ward, she is ''challenged''
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>>4065764
> Other [Write-in]
Jessica, AKA ‘Kid’.

Because shes young and from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>Juscyka, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Romaine.
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>>4065764
>>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>Juscyka, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Romaine.
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>>4065779
Supporting
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>>4065634
I mean, really what I'm concerned about is that people are trying to kill him. I honestly kinda assume that getting discovered by the Queensmen means one of the Order of Names knights will kill him, since they're solo operator ranger assassins.

Our mom told us not to take the roads, Sir Gilbern himself told us to keep him away, why would we want him going towards them.
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>>4065764
>Kid (QM must suffer edition). Folk will assume they are young.

>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.

Either are fine by me.
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>>4065779
+1
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>>4065764
disregard >>4065771

>>4065779 is new hotness
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>>4065764
>Juscyka, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Romaine
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon

>>4065779
Combine it with this.
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065779
Support
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>>4063726
This is me
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> half-joke 'Kid' option gains ground

Why is the QM here? Just to suffer?
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>>4065779
this

>>4065853
TBF she was born yesterday. It is entirely appropriate.
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>>4065641
That's a possibility, qualms about taking companion equipment aside that's a sensible choice.

>>4065696
Dude chill, I was referring to the order Reginae not the order of names.

>>4065817
I think he'll only be at risk to specifically the order of names as long as we're in Fallavon or at least the wilds, once we get out of the duchy the order of names as a threat to our brother should largely disappear as the right is their main grounds of operation.

The order Reginae and the influence of the queensman or the faction that got our
Brother into this mess is another story, but as forgotten clarified earlier it's not like he's number one on their todo list.

At the very least we should not send him home unguarded and at most I feel we should do it ourselves with effort taken to disguise his return on the road and at home but that might be overkill.
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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Trekking and traversing the Fallavon woods with our companions makes me feel like we're the Fellowship of the Ring journeying on a quest with all the atmosphere of adventure and exploration. Our fellowship would be complete if we had Sir Karlaus Rabe and Brother Marcel Rousseau with us.
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>>4065764
>>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065994
I am flattered to be compared to such. I get that Sir Rabe is Gimli, but who does Brother Rousseau represent?
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4065764
>>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4066484
Obviously Faramir.

Since his relative got gobbed.
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>>4065764
Szczebrzeszyn
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>>4066484
Wait, if Rabe is Gimli, does that make us Legolas?
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>>4066999
Nice trips but really wouldn’t that be Boromir?

“By the blood of my people are your lands kept safe” and all with the Deadmen.
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>>4066699
Youch
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>>4066999
We've turned into a Ranger Knight, we're Aragorn.
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>>4066999
Nah that's JesterKid she just needs a bow
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>>4067036
>Ranger knight with multiple animal companions.
>The sword that was broken. Now Reforged!

Shit, this is way more similar than I thought.

Now all we need is more experience with the bow.
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>>4067128
Jess can teach us.
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>>4067128
>>4067139
And we actually still have a bow. Not like we returned that turncoat tracker his weapons or gear.
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>>4067199
Oh, bonus.
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>>4067199
>This post

Yeah that checks out. Upon return to civilisation I will allow you to exchange your random loot free of charge for one ranged weapon of your choice (still working on attributes). We can assume (with a little training) the outcast will take to the weapon quickly enough.

I’m working up stats for
-Bow
-Crossbow
-Throwing Daggers
-Throwing axes etc
-Slings

Anything else obvious that I’m missing?
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>>4067515
That would be sickeningly unknightly, imagine being able to hurt fellow knights from afar without honourably crossing blades
We'd be as low as langlish scum!
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>>4067515
trebuchets
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>>4065764
>Jessica, shorthand Jess. Folk will assume they hail from Fallavon.
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>>4067515
Cathagi flying circle chakrams
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>>4067519
Only crossbows, so OP the Pope declared them heretical to use against people.

Still okay to shoot Saracens.

Regardless it's the Outcast using them so we're good.
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>>4067519
Still after our recent tryst through the forest, I think we could do with a shortbow. Like how sometimes we may need to hunt provisions.
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>>4067519
I mean for your ranged companions, of course.

>scoffs in knigga
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>>4067522
trebuchets are the final arguments of kings they are far more honourable then any peasants bow it requires the noble mind to make such a thing work
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> Jessica, AKA ‘Kid’ AAKA ‘Jessie the Kid, Fastest Gun in the West’. Because shes young and from Fallavon.

>Sir Neil dan Marc: 3 Success
> My word is my bond. Sir dan Marc’s loyalty is of a nature that he will be reluctant to seek an end to his service unless he see’s no other option. Later conversation is REASONABLE and gain +1 Re-Roll.
>Orin: 2 Success
> Goes with the wind. Orin doesn’t know what to make of the last few days. If he keeps his head down and does his job, he hopes to make it through alright. COMRADE loyalty.

You decide to spend this time getting to know the men under your command a little more, both noble and common. Father had always prided himself and knowing the names of everyone of the soldiers under his command, and making a point of asking about the daily trivialities of even common Sergeant-at-Arms. You had thought conversations with peasants about newborn whelps or troublesome livestock was beneath a noble, but the soldiers of House Andrei loved him for even those casual shows of affection and fought all the harder for it in the last campaign. Certainly beneath a lord of his stature to actually care about such fripperies, but perhaps not beneath a commander to appear to care if he aims to win his soldier’s affection. You resolve to follow Father’s example.

Several days on the trail together gives you plenty of chances to get to know your new hireling a bit better, that his name is Orin for one and that he is from a no-name hamlet somewhere further south and east of Fallavon. Despite your attempts at learning a bit more about him he rarely responds in more than a few words, most often ‘Yes, m’lord’ but honestly you don’t mind that he’s not much of a chatterbox in the company of his betters.

So you make little progress in conversation, but you see enough of his lack of complaint and attendance to his duties to form an overall positive opinion of him. Any man brave enough, or foolish enough, to stare down an armed rebel group to protect innocents (even beastfolk innocents) must have some good character about him. You have little notion of how he came to be in the company of dissident slavers, save that there was little choice between that work and starving or turning to poaching. A capital crime in these parts. You get the impression that he is a hard worker, from the same diligent peasant stock that runs through Mikail. An honest enough young man, if not overly burdened with an abundance in imagination.

Having offered you no reason to hold misgivings about him or his competence, you decide to keep him on in your service for now. If only to free Mikail up from some menial duties for further training and give your squire someone to boss around.

[1/3]
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[2/3]

Sir Neil dan Marc, on the other hand, is enough of a worry that you take a more direct approach than mere passive observation. You understand his scruples with your affiliation with the Bluejays and Fae, even if in the main purely because of your intention to rescue his brother, as you yourself are far from comfortable with the situation. You will endeavour to assure him that this expedition will be put well behind the both of you, and is not indicative of a stain on your good character, but that is a conversation you decide to hold off for another time in a private environ. You take that evening around the campfire as an opportunity to break the ice for now.

"Sit with me, Brother. I have been remiss, although you know him by name I wish to introduce to you properly sir Neil dan Marc.” Your brother answers with a smile and cheery introduction, in the confusion and fast-pace of those days near the ruins there was little time for a proper greeting as befits an anointed knight. “Sir dan Marc, I must say that first of all I cannot express the depth of my gratitude for your service these past few weeks. I could not have dared to have asked for what you gave freely, without demand or complaint."
Again, apologies for the liberal use of the write-in extract but the majority of the content and your justifications are best suited for the later serious conversaion.

Sir dan Marc at first retains his aloofness, but he is too polite to refuse the platitudes you heap upon him and the thanks that Young Lord Andrei gives for his aid and sure sword-arm against the Langlish mercenaries. The occasional off-hand remark of demands for skilled knights in House Andrei lands and his fitness for service are well received, enough that you believe he has mellowed out somewhat and is no longer stewing over the indignities suffered and questionable company of his liegelord. You would be sad to see him go, but you cannot fault him for his service and his restraint. He has said no word against your actions in a public setting, and even when no one else would notice his disgruntlement he has complied with your commands even if he personally disagreed with them.

You will have to have a frank conversation with him at a later date if you mean to keep him on, but it is a relief to see he is far from having made a decision to seek an end to his vassalage.

[2/3]
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[3/3]

You settle into camp on the northern banks of the River Abhain, Yanterung having cunning sniffed out a dry outcrop impossible for a wandering River Troll to stumble across. It is well past nightfall when you relieve your brother at the quarter-Watch that evening.

You will be back among your fellow man in just a few days and while Young Lord Damien Andrei is not an outlaw or wanted fugitive, you know for certain that there are a number of folk that would help your brother along to an untimely demise if the opportunity presented itself. You love your elder brother fiercely; he has always been a level-head and male confidante in a household dominated by your army of sisters. You could never forgive yourself if you allowed him to come to harm.

Away from the main group curled up by the fire, it is a good a time as any to discuss his position and your next steps in hushed voices beneath the starry night.

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Due to his BROTHER-FOR-LIFE loyalty status, Damien Andrei will not require a persuasion roll for any reasonable request or direction. There have a number of suggestions that vary more than I’m willing to rewrite so I will leave it open. I must confess that I cannot provide an update tomorrow as family is visiting immediately after work and I’ll have no time for a Vulurr update. So if there is a lack of consensus I will call a vote on the most popular plans that night.

>What is your plan? [Write-in]
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>>4067615
>>What is your plan? [Write-in]
Despite the region being a base for the Order of names, their manpower here is likely to be low due to the need for sustained operations currently in the area we left. However we can still expect a limited number of rangers and knights that will help ferry supplies up.

Hence the offered plan is to rejoin the Comitas convoy and head to Pascae. To effect this we may need to take several steps:
1) Have a alias ready for our brother.
2) We ask to temporarily carry his shield so no one shall question why there is a second andrei.

Once the convoy is on its way, he can 'disappear' into its midst as 'yet another pious knight escorting the yearly pilgrimage'.

Once the convoy has reached Pascae, we shall then buy discrete passage for our brother to return to our homelands by sea, possibly escorted by Sir Marc if he so wishes to enter our father's service.
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>>4067608
> Jessica, AKA ‘Kid’ AAKA ‘Jessie the Kid, Fastest Gun in the West’. Because shes young and from Fallavon.

Now i can stop imagining her wearing this brace of mini readied crossbows.
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>>4067615
>What is your plan? [Write-in]
Damien heads home alongside guards once we have reached civilization. Sir dan Marc can accompany him with a letter of recommendation if he wishes so.
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>>4067615
Going to back >>4067625

It's a pretty reasonable plan. Our brother goes home, as a lot of people have said he needs to do, but he doesn't do it in such an obvious fashion that he draws attention. His risk of being killed on the road may (or may not) be low right now. But it isn't worth announcing to the world who he is and sending him home alone. That would be foolish.

>we shall then buy discrete passage for our brother to return to our homelands by sea

He can buy his own passage home though I believe. IIRC Forgotten said that it wouldn't be difficult for him to do that himself (although I may be misremembering)

Importantly though, lets ask our brother what HE wishes to do next. It might be far fetched but if he wants to travel with us I personally would welcome him.
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>>4067615
>What is your plan? [Write-in]
Damien keeps accompanying us until we know more about the dangers on the road back home. Ultimately, he can take a ship to Romaine from Pascae.
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>>4067615
Our brother either goes home via boat escorted by us or our men or he accompanies us abroad to Carthaggi.
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>>4067632
I wonder what the Fey think of Crossbows?
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>>4067615
>>4067625
This plan sounds pretty solid.
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>>4067625
>>4067666
Supporting
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>>4067615
>What is your plan? [Write-in]
Ask him what he wants to do and what's his plan.

>>4067666
+1 to this
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>>4065392
My old ID
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>>4067625
Supporting this except for taking his shield. We have already borrowed his sword and his shield accounts for half of his AV which will be crucial for him in a Death's Door. He can just disguise his shield by covering it or changing it like he did before entering the ruins.
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>>4067625
>>4067666
>>4067814
Supporting all of these.
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>>4067625
>>4067666
Supporting either of these. Don't borrow his shield from him though as he will need it. Also, give him 2 wealth and have him stop by Grenoble on his way home to repay our debt with it.
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>>4067615
Supporting these:
>>4067625
>>4067830
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>>4067666
>>4067814
Support
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>>4067615
>>4067625
This.

We can actually either do or dont do the shield. Since we removed all insignia from them already, I dont think they've been replaced.
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>>4067625
>>4067830
>>4067666
supporting
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>>4067625
>1) Have a alias ready for our brother.

Gentlemen, I call to order the 'Name our brother contest'.

John von Cub.
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>>4067615
Follow most of >>4067625 but

>stop off in Romanie to deliver our brother home and part ways with Dan Marc if necessary
>briefly return home and inform family of everything we know of the intrigues so far apart from the Son of sin

>>4067062
Me
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>>4067625
>>4067615
Supporting.
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>>4067625
Il back this
We can buy him a new shield once we get into town then we swap shields once his on his way home , as itl be weird for a kinght to cover his sheild on the open road.
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>>4067830
>>4067625
^ Both of these, supporting.

>>4067615
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>>4067864
Or! We could buy goods here to flip for a quick profit in Cathagi and send that back with out brother instead.
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>>4067756
Probably that using poison bolts would be super effective.
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>>4067632
Given her fascination with the outside world, she would probably be super stoked about using them.
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>>4067515
>Throwing axes
That could be pretty fucking boss.
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>>4067615
supporting
>>4067625
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>>4067515
I already know what I'm voting for. Where are my slingbrothers at?
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>>4068859
Yeah well, sling was broken. I’ll be sure to rejig the stats so AV offers much more protection against David’s OP weapon.
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>>4067515
Are dual wielding handbows possible? With Jess' smaller size, throwing axes and bows which require greater strength don't really fit her, and with her stealth and agility being able to fire and maneuver faster with smaller hand crossbows would better allow her to take advantage of opportunities in combat especially against faster opponents.

Not to mention that outside of direct combat it would be easier for her to hide them while sneaking around and such.

Also while it would be dishonourable for a Knight to use poison, a Fae Outcast would possibly not being adverse to using them in dire situations, or against monstrous beasts..

I presume the Outcast will be able to bear the cost herself of her equipment given the loot she took from the Basilisk.
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>>4068867
I wanna cause someone a concussion
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>>4068869
Theres something nice for throwing knifes. Easy to conceal and an immediately on hand emergency melee weapon.
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>Throwing knives
Might as well throw yourself out the window, and fall on your neck
Now, a SLING, that's what I'm talking about.
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>>4068869
>dual wielding handbows

I assume you mean crossbows???
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>>4068916
Probably single handed crossbows.

Like >>4067632
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>>4067625
>>4067746
I support these; I am not very convinced on the shield part but will see
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>>4068916
Yur.

>>4068882
Hand crossbows have better range and penetration, and can carry more ammo.

Throwing knives still depend more on strength for damage as well as being resisted by even light armor due to the larger cross-section compared to bolts.

Additionally bolts can be made easily in the field, whereas lost or broken blades can't.
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>>4068882
Also I believe the Outcast already has knives, she used them against the basilisk.

Two single handed crossbows can provide twice the initial fire power and then she can either take a turn to re-cock them, or she can start throwing her knives, or she could alternate shooting and reloading just one.

The only issue is that the cost for them is probably 2 wealth each and they would have less AP value than a heavier crossbow. But since Emile is able to tank while Orin and Mikhail can protect the flanks, I think the versatility is better than a slower but higher damage crossbow.

A short bow is probably the best alternative otherwise, since once again the small stature of the Outcast would make using a longbow or heavy throwing weapons difficult in addition to clashing with her agility and stealth abilities.
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>>4069057
She used a sling argest the snake
She killed it by thowing rocks into its eye.
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Sling for ranged and knives for melee. The biblical choice.

Crossbows are the edgelord choice
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>>4069057
Well if we have a free ranged weapon, give her one free hand crossbow.
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>>4069078
>main ranged weopon of the renaissance armies
>edge lord choice
Take your throwings knives back to the kitchen ya coin clipping panzie
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>>4069078
> Knives in melee

That's crazy person talk. There's a good reason why swords longer, not just for range but also for leverage.

The only time a knife is good in melee is when the other person doesn't have a weapon themselves or isn't expecting it.

Because of the close distance, knife vs knife usually ends up with both people getting stabbed.

Finally, spears and swords are the biblical weapon and my main choice for Jess if she gets a melee weapon. The long reach with her agility would let her control the distance from the enemy, or support Emile from behind without getting in the way of the melee. It's not as good as a halberd, but once again strength is an issue.
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>>4069133
>Kniggas talking about dual wielding crossbows
Knigga that's some edgelord stuff that only happens in crappy fantasy

Also, I never said throwing knives. I said a sling and knives for melee
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>>4069081
A light crossbow and a light spear are probably the best choice since she won't have heavy armor.

They wouldn't be cumbersome enough to slow her down, while giving her a reasonably fast rate of fire with a weapon that doesn't take long to learn, and the spear would allow her to flexibly either contribute to Emiles fights or to maintain spacing against opponents who rush or flank her.

>>4068916
Did the outcast get enough of the Basilisk to make her own light armor out of it?
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>>4069157
It's not a knight wielding it, it's the outcast.
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>>4069153
>From the vigil
Root-Marries-Stone-in-the-High-Places, Fae Youngblood, Scion of the Wild:Healthy
>Combat = +50DC [Healthy +5DC, Quick +5DC, Inhuman Reflexes +10DC, Incredible Agility +10DC, Fae Daggers +5DC (double fail = +1 damage no AV save), Blademaster +10DC, Fae War Mask +5DC]

The warden killed us with daggers. Give her a dagger
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>>4069167
I know. That doesn't make it less edgelord. Kinda worse actually
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>>4069169
Fae daggers man. I dont think she'll be using fae daggers and more plain steel.
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>>4069169
> Huge high class magical race warrior with centuries of experience

> Smol Outcast that lived alone in the woods and uses a sling

I don't think copying him would really be appropriate. The Warden killed the dude we were possessing, after we went through several fights and had lost a bunch of health and gear. And we still cut off his arm.
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>>4069173
She's literally an in-setting edgelord weeaboo already.
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>>4069176
>And we still cut off his arm
Haha what?
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>>4069176
More we bit off his ear. his arm was just stabbed through.
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>>4069186
Still. Knives are shit close combat weapons.

Light crossbow, light spear + buckler is probably the best combination of weapons for Jess that plays to her strengths. The crossbow will immediately show the greatest improvement on her ability to contribute in fights, so it should be the priority.
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>>4069070
I also want to point out the issue of training. Crossbows take two or so weeks to be competent with, throwing weapons much longer.

Same with spears, they're easy to become competent with relatively quickly.

Since Emile isn't experienced with the other weapons, she'll have to learn to use them mostly on her own through sparring. Possibly the Comitas Knights know some stuff about spear use, if not it's a very common weapon and we can easily get somone to at least teach her the basics that she can practice on her own.
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>>4068867
Does Jess get a better AV in light armor or a buckler because of her smaller hitbox and uncanny agility since she's a Fae?
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>>4069214
Thankfully we have word of god to sidestep that issue.

>>4067515
> We can assume (with a little training) the outcast will take to the weapon quickly enough.
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My Kniggas, How about a compromise? A staff-sling. Gives her a spear like weapon for melee and still able to sling rocks like she is used to.
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>>4069240
That's actually a really good idea.

Honestly though, I feel a weapon as simple as that should be pretty damn cheap.

We could probably get a buckler, spear-sling, and light armour for the cost of the buckler and the light armor.

Still want to know if she had enough Basilisk remains to turn into armor. Hopefully so, and she has the eye as well. I forget what effect that would have on equipment.

Regardless, her Basilisk loot should be enough to sell off (excluding the eye) to outfit her even before selling off Craigs gear.

Since Orin has nothing and garbage weapons, maybe we can get him a light crossbow instead.

>>4069228
Well that's reassuring, but actual training won't hurt at all either and think how useful our own Blademaster skill is. If she can quickly learn it on her own, the training should let her get to the next level even faster.
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>>4069214
What point of training? I was just pointing out that she had a sling i naver metioned a crossbow.
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>>4067625
>>4067830
Supporting
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>>4069070
>>4069362
Linking here was easier than just making an unlinked post, and I wanted to bring up training because while she might quickly become proficient with ranged weapons due to innate skill, being accurate is really just the baseline.

Getting trained with a weapon would let her learn how to best use it against different kinds of opponents and situations. Heavy armor vs light armor, minimum safe distance to stay out of melee, optimal ranges for damage, what tactics opponents might use against it like cover or shields and how to handle them etc.

As for her already having a sling >>4068867
Here Forgotten noted they needed reworking.

AV is going to be much more effective against slings. Also reviewing the Basilisk fight she had a +20 to hit due to its size, but bigger size means thicker bones and more deeply covered organs which should significantly reduce blunt force trauma from a slingstone.

It's a peasant weapon for fighting enemies without armor, or bows which outrange slings.

A slingspear would be able to increase the force of a slingstone, although using it would be more cumbersome and slower Jess' familiarity with slings and natural skill should compensate for accuracy.

I talked about the problems with bows/throwing weapons here >>4069041. All the skill in the world won't affect the fact that the force needed for range and damage is limited by the users raw strength.

Crossbows and slings both use leverage to generate the force, the sling directly by extending the length of the arm and the crossbow by literally using a lever to cock the string, so raw strength won't affect it.

A war sling is longer but it needs a lot of space to spin as well, so it's limited in buildings, or caves, or dense forests. Also it prevents users from using cover or getting too close allies.

Crossbows are compact, and can be fired with minimum motion, and while cocking them requires you to stay still you can fire them quickly while moving.
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>>4069506
Fuck. There is too much, let me sum up.

> Throwing weapons/bows
- Needs strength for range/damage regardless of skill
+ Cheap versions available. Commonly found.
- Throwing weapons can't be replaced if lost or damaged.
- Poor armor penetration unless using specialized Bows or throwing weapons with high strength requirements.
- Slower missile speed makes firing into a melee riskier since combatants are moving.
- Thrown weapons have a larger penetration point or lower mass greatly limiting effectiveness against armor.
+/- Thrown weapons can be used as hand weapons in an emergency but not effectively.
+ Low quality bows can be made in the field if necessary from trees if available.

> Sling / Slingstaff
+ Cheap and easy to make/repair. Normal stones can be used as ammo, but reduces accuracy and lose force quicker than proper shot (unless good shaped stones are found).
- Requires more space to use. Need to stay in place to spin up enough momentum.
+ Longer sling string generates more force independent of strength. Slingstaffs generate less force from momentum and some from strength in the staff swing but the leverage from the staff still multiplies strength used.

> Crossbows
+ Lever or crank drawstring generates force independent of strength, foot stirrup lets larger leg muscles be used for lever cocking.
+Once cocked firing is instantaneous minimizing time spent exposed.
+ Requires minimal space for use, allowing it to be used from cover or while protected by allies.
+/- Heavier crossbows allow for better armor penetration, but are harder to draw requiring either a foot stirrup lever or crank mechanism increasing reload time. Light crossbows are quicker to reload but lose armor penetration over a shorter distance.
- Require more maintenance for crank bows. Replacements not necessarily available in smaller markets.
- Cannot be re-cocked while moving.
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Alrighty, QM veto. Ranged weapons simply don’t exist in this setting. Throwing rocks a distance of several metres is considered cutting edge technology.
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>>4069602
Mfw this technically still allows the royal trebuchets.
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>>4069602

Wot if we invented "guns"? We had a gun in BCQ. It kicked ass.
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>>4069765
Rocks fall Canton dies
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>>4069768
Damn it! This is why we need to invent guns, someone has already developed Royal Trebuchets and is throwing rocks at us!
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>>4069769
>Inventing things

what are we? langish
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>>4069774
Divine knowledge!

An inspiration given by angels from on high.
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BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 666
I am bear man
410,757,864,530 DEAD BEASTMEN
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You guys realize that "hand crossbows" don't exist, right? This isn't a video game. They have never even been mentioned before in this quest.
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>>4069925
Ranged weapons also havnt been seen in the fallavon markets and yet we're gonna be getting one for Kid.
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>>4069925
It's definitely a stupid suggestion. Now, slings on the other hand...
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>>4069602
>Throwing rocks a distance of several metres is considered cutting edge technology.

so a trebuchet is still in the cards?
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>>4069941
At least bows and crossbows and shit exist in-universe.
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>>4070199
*ahem* >>4069602
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>>4070365
Alright, so in that case WHAT TYPE OF HALBERD ARE WE GETTING JESS?

> This is now a Halberd thread
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>>4070511
>Fig 16

Is that a cake? You can’t just put a cake on a stick and call it a halberd. It’s illegal, it must be.
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>>4070511
>Halberds
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>>4070511
Fig 18 where she just beats people with a figtree stick.
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so if we ever dive onto another monstrosity like the son of sin will we get "not my first rodeo bonus" of like 10dc? we did nat 1
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>>4070600
>Sir Emile Andrei, professional unholy abomination wrangler
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just out of curiosity how do doubles work with crits like for instance would 2 double passes and a crit mean we gain both double bonuses because i know double fails are negated by 1s by the last crit
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>>4070519
That settles it. She's getting a cakebred
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>>4070642
>Cakebred
Can't even spell it right

Cakeberd
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>>4070519
When Marie Antoinette said "Let them eat Cake" some context has been lost over the years.
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>>4070625
Eh, I let you use the save to negate the double fail there. But I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t lock in a hard ruling here as sometimes effects of crits and doubles would make little sense if they both went off. Or at least would be much harder to write in without stretching the suspension of disbelief...
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>>4070658
This presents some amazing alternatives.
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>>4070666
SPOOKY DIGITS
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>>4070658
So if you stab someone in the bum with it, is it 'putting it back in the oven'.
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>>4070668
It's actually true. At the time "Cake" was like, shitty unleavened bread, and I mean it's France and they have literal bread police.

I guess the equivalent would be "let them eat healthy vegetarian lifestyles" to get the modern day equivalent reaction from people. Not talking plant based foods but actual plants.
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>>4070668
>>4070952
"Let them eat french fries - without salt or buttwr and baked without oil."
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>>4070658
She never even said that. It's just a made up journalistic cliche for a smear campaign.
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>>4071401
Nice try, aristocat.
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>>4071438
I'm serious. It's completely made up.
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>Damien will join the convoy of pilgrims and head west with you to Pascae
>He will have an alias. Damien would prefer to brandish himself a 'mystery knight' like the stories, though you suggest that just keeping a low profile is better.
>His shield is unadorned following the fight in the forest so this is not a concern.
>Upon reaching Pascae passage to Romaine shall be secured for him
>Sir dan Marc will escort him if he so wishes to part ways

“Look at us, two brothers at the edge of the map. I’m liking your idea more and more.” Damien grins at you, perhaps not taking the possible danger to his person as seriously as you’d like. “ Why, I could style myself ‘The Red Knight’! No one knows where he comes from, or why he never takes of his helm in company. Some say it’s to uphold a sacred bow, other whisper that it’s to hide a horrific scar... See? My alter-ego has a gripping backstory already! Mother did say red was a good colour. Matched my cheeks or something."

“That was me, and I think Mother was referring to my temper. Besides, you’re not even wearing any red.” You cast a sceptical eye up and down your mud-stricken brother in the dark, though to be honest you doubt you’re a dashing picture yourself after a week of slogging through the forest. ”The Brown Knight, more like.”

”Egad, a lance through the heart! Wielded by none other than my own pitiless sibling!” Your brother mock-collapses, clutching his chest.

You smile in the dark, and even though you can’t see it you know your brother is smiling back. It is a comforting thought. ”Well if it wasn’t me it’d be one of your sisters.”

”…I didn't have chance to write to them. I hope they’re okay.”

”…They’re fine. They miss you.”

”…”

”…”

"...So."

"So?"

“…what about purple?”

”Shut up.”

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b]Fenegan, 7th Day of Novrimun, 883 A.C.E. – North-East of Motte-Fallavon[/b]

Having crossed the last of the streams that stem from the River Abhain to the west, you’re confident that Motte-Fallavon and the pilgrims is but another day or two of travel away. It would not be unusual to encounter hunters, foresters and other good loyal subjects of the Crown out here, so you approach your beastfolk guide to discuss whether he should start making his way back and let you go ahead the rest of the way. The foxman hasn’t led you astray so far, and you even intend to give him a few trinkets from Craig of Lowgrove’s belongings as a meagre reward. That traitor, with any luck long dead, has lost any stake in them by his conduct and most of it already present in your own ranger gear.

You find Yanterung a little further up the path, stooped over what appears to be animal droppings.

“Dádýr. Rauð dádýr…”[/b] He says, pointing a claw at a patch of fetching red fur caught on a nearby branch. ”Hmm, how you southfolk say… Doe, a deer? No, a male deer. Red deer, this one. Much fresh.”

“Did he say Red Deer?” Damien peeks over your shoulder with sudden interest. You can understand your brother’s excitement.

Father, in his characteristically quirky manner, was never much one for hunting. Oh he’d certainly organise a hunt in the warmer seasons when this lord or that came visiting, but it was never really his chosen sport of leisure. In an unmanly that never failed to embarrass you as an adolescent son he had a preference for less the masculine arts. Not much of a writer or reader himself, you recall him getting one of your sisters to read to him, often hours at a time, on any sort of topic from theology to insipid romance novellas. And, if he could convince Mother to share his peculiar interest in architecture for a moment, riding out south of the estate to check on the old lake tower battlements, something they did quite often now that you think about it.

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But Father had told you all the tales of your Grandsire, recognised as an accomplished hunter in his youth before the War of Borders. To bring down a Red Deer, the largest of the common species, was one of the pinnacle’s of a hunter’s achievement. Back then House Andrei had been more in the old Duchess’ favour, your lands were the frequent site of hunting parties and manly sportsmanship. A pale comparison to the grand hunts that took place on your long-lost ancestral lands in Ardenne proper, but still you found yourself wishing that Father shared his own sire’s hobby instead of this womanly interest in books and buildings. Though you would strike down any braggart who would describe it as such, without hesitation.

It goes without saying that the successful hunt of a Red Deer, a buck in his prime no less, would be a feather in your cap and appeals to your sense of manliness.

”We only have the one bow.” You mutter reluctantly. And a handful of arrows.

”More than enough. Sir dan Marc can take Yanterung’s spear and block it off, and I can help flush the game out with my usual obtuseness.” Your brother does not actually say the word please, though you can all but hear it in the boyish eagerness of his tone. How rich, he’s supposed to be the sensible brother.

“We’re south of the Abhain River, as you know. But this far north and east of the Motte isn’t subject to Forest Law proper, so far as I know.” Sir dan Marc answers your questioning look, apparently not opposed to the idea. “We need not fear an accusation of poaching.”

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>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]

>”We’re nearly at our destination, and I’ve had my fill of this woods. Let’s not get delayed by distractions.” You’re in no mood to spend any further time in this forest. Besides, who knows what else you might run into. [Idealist]
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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I really must check my posts properly before posting.
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>>4071509
>Write-in
>Give the bow and arrows to Jess and have her track and hunt the red deer with you. She's your only ranged companion and will know how to hunt better than anyone in your party, especially in these woods. [Hearty]
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
TOO THE HUNT
it's probably our last time with our brother and may help us bond with dan marc maybe
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>>4071509
>>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

Remember Fallavon nobles will take the law into their own hands if they deem it necessary and given company they may just take us the wrong way.
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>>4071509
Support>>4071514
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>>4071514
Eh, that's kind of missing the point. If you wanted a meal from regular game yes, but deer & boar hunts are more points of sportsmanship in the medieval era.

I don't see Emile wanting to tarnish that with direct Fae (or even peasant) help.
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>>4071507
Lol our parents ducked out to bone all the time.

>>4071509
>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty
a the temptation of hunting but no
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>>4071514
Honestly this seems like it would just piss off Sir dan Marc and take away from the boisterous bonding between Damien and Emile
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>>4071509
>>4071514
Definitely supporting. We can help our bro and dan Marc in flushing it out for Jess. Good write-in anon
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>>4071523
> “We’re south of the Abhain River, as you know. But this far north and east of the Motte isn’t subject to Forest Law proper, so far as I know.” Sir dan Marc answers your questioning look, apparently not opposed to the idea. “We need not fear an accusation of poaching.”

Honestly not sure how you reached that conclusion.

Also, getting that "Accomplished Woodsman" recognition seems good
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>>4071526
>>4071523
Wait I got who you were responding to wrong.
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>>4071527
All good, no worries
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071509
>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

>”We’re nearly at our destination, and I’ve had my fill of this woods. Let’s not get delayed by distractions.” You’re in no mood to spend any further time in this forest. Besides, who knows what else you might run into. [Idealist]

I don't want to give any Fallavon lord a legal justification to prosecute us. The fact Forgotten is trying to have Emile hunt the deer himself here>>4071520 is indication that it's bait will have legal consequences. Let's leave.
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>>4071533
>The fact Forgotten is trying to have Emile hunt the deer himself here>>4071520 is indication that it's bait will have legal consequences. Let's leave.

Are you new or something? Forgotten doesn't typically try to trick us with bad choices
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>>4071509
>>4071524
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

Changing
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>>4071507
>Father loves architecture
>Emilles response is ''what a fucking nerd''
>They also skipped out to have alone time

I love this shit, it brings the family dynamic to life.
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>>4071509
>>4071519
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

Forgoing my support to this>>4071514 write-in and switching to haughty.
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>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]
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>>4071509
>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071514
>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

Disregard my write-in. I'm changing my vote to Haughty.
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>not wanting to improve our bow skill for bringing down flying beasties
bet you Kniggas don't even fight dragons
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>>4071551
I bet they don't even go into dungeons
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>>4071533
Personally I see it as a reasonable excuse for why we were in the woods so long, as opposed to what we actually did.
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>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

>the successful hunt of a Red Deer, a buck in his prime no less, would be a feather in your cap and appeals to your sense of manliness.

A feather? Why would we go on a legally risky and dangerous hunt for such a pointless and useless reward? Get better bait Forgotten.

>>4071553
That would be an incredibly stupid excuse. No will believe that we spent more than three weeks hunting for a deer close to the border.
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071553
It'll be a good cover. Saw we bagged the deer much deeper in the woods than where we are currently.
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>>4071522
you know what fuck it changing my vote, to the hunt those antlers will look nice on the wall and the possible rewards will be nice
>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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The paranoia is this thread is hilarious. You kniggas have some Fallavon woods PTSD
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]

The pelts and meat would be worth some wealth probably.
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>>4071557
We could have easily spent that much time tracking such a prize, especially since it isn't even present in Romaine.
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we have the baslisk pelt so we can say it was a grand hunting trip
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>>4071536
> Forgotten keeps trying to drop plot hooks so we can have enough wealth to replace our lost gear

> Kniggas too scared of the woods to go for it.

Now all we need is for someone to call me a copper clipper for posting this.
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>>4071590
That would be a lie though. We got our ass kicked while a little Fae girl killed it and saved us.
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>>4071593
It's the other kind of GM curse, you manage to run a game for months and months but the players slowly become blind to your plot hooks and favours
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>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]

I don't like how the QM is railroading us into having Emile hunt the red deer himself directly with the hearty option. It's a sign he's trying to prevent us from avoiding a result that will have some sort of consequences or ramifications. And for a leather cap? it's not worth it.
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>>4071594
we can say they saved us nix the arm wound and the fae part
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>>4071598
Dude it isn't a literally leather cap...and he isn't railroading shit
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>>4071593
I think this and mushroom hunting would have been either-or but yea, our coffers are gonna take a hit.
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>>4071553
I mean if you'd combine that with a piss poor monster hunt we'd be able to somewhat explain our time spent at casually, higher scrutiny will be harder to deflect though.

the main issue is that Fallavon is well known for two things, it robinhood love of outlaws and it innawoods justice, I don't think getting caught poaching even accidently will go well for us.
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>>4071600
Holy fuck get the QM's dick out of your mouth. It's 100% railroading and a leather cap ain't worth whatever bullshit has trying to force us into.
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>>4071606
Ok I have a legit question for you. Do you actually think that the purpose of this hunt is a leather cap? Do you think that's what the reward is?
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>>4071606
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_feather_in_your_cap
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>>4071582
Are you actually serious? Not even retards would believe such a stupid lie. We spent three weeks in the depths of the woods to hunt a deer where we could've hunted it near the border? And somehow conjured up two companions with one (Craig) gone missing? Get the fuck out of here. Nobody would fall for that shit.
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>>4071615
AND the basilisk.

We have the parts already.
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>>4071617
Then we can just use the basilisk alone as an excuse. No point in adding the deer too.

>>4071608
It wouldn't be worth being convicted of poaching even if it wasn't just for a leather hat.
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>>4071608
Yes absolutely. The reward isn't the only reason anyway.
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>>4071624
>We’re south of the Abhain River, as you know. But this far north and east of the Motte isn’t subject to Forest Law proper, so far as I know.” Sir dan Marc answers your questioning look, apparently not opposed to the idea. “We need not fear an accusation of poaching.”

>>4071626
>Yes absolutely. The reward isn't the only reason anyway.

Either English isn't your first language or you're on the spectrum and can't read between the lines. It's obviously not a fucking leather cap

--

The risk is there but it seems pretty slight
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>>4071627
Have you read his responses? Dude is RAGING MAD that his perspective is being questioned, ranting about railroading and being paranoid that it's a trap option that will have "consequences".

Definitely on the spectrum. Or Cocaine.
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>>4071509

>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]

I prefer this option because it means Emile has embracing the woodsmanship skills he discovered he possessed during this trip.
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>>4071627
I wouldn't say the risk is slight, Fallavon is infamous for its frontier justice and considering we're south of the Abhain now I'd say there's a moderate chance of running afoul of some Noble hicks who may take issue with us poaching on their lands.

weither we do or nots another thing but considering the lengths we went to not run into trouble I'd personally not take the risk.
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>>4071663
>>We’re south of the Abhain River, as you know. But this far north and east of the Motte isn’t subject to Forest Law proper, so far as I know.” Sir dan Marc answers your questioning look, apparently not opposed to the idea. “We need not fear an accusation of poaching.”


Seems pretty slight
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>>4071666
prehaps but their is always the chance he's just not aware of the danger on hand after all he's just one man.

but I'm not going to die on that hill, though I do find it funny after all this caution we've taken in the wilds some anons are willing to go on an ad-hoc deerhunt we're suddenly an innawoods Knigga because we survived a trip through the Fallavon wilds.
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>>4071509
>>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]
let's not bring more attention on us than we need too
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>>4071606
Are you the same guy who complained about railroading (and other dumb hit) here in the /qtg/, got refuted, and went silent? lol you definitely sound like it.
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>>4071581
>The pelts and meat would be worth some wealth probably.

Remember that 1 wealth is a LOT of damn money. 7 wealth or more makes you rich. A pelt and the meat of a single red deer won't be worth anything substantial.

>>4071674
Yeah I don't understand why we'd carelessly risk hunting it for sport ourselves with only Damien and dan Marc with us. Emile isn't an experienced hunter or tracker plus using bows isn't his strong suit. I would have supported it if Jess came with us to help. She is an experienced tracker and hunter (especially in these woods which she is very familiar with and its creatures). She is also our only ranged companion, so it makes sense to have her use the bow instead of Emile to hunt it.
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>>4071709
Wait a minute. We're going with only our brother and sworn man coming with us? We're leaving our two guides behind? That would be absolutely dumb.
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>>4071713
Yeah. Forgotten said here>>4071520 that Emile is too proud to have fae or commoners helping him in a hunt for sport.
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>>4071713
is a noble thing see >>4071520 is a thing to gain reputation most likely I think
>>4071709
well Emile has a familiarity in this Forest because of the good rolls before, he also has the favor of Sinclair and the fucking eagle so yeah
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Guys please for the love of the Almighty, Salve Regina, and the Brothers let's not leave our guides behind. We will get lost trying to track this deer. Whatever killed that deer might still be lurking around and could attack Mikail, Jess, Orin, and Yanterung while Emile, Damien, and Neil are hunting. We shouldn't separate.
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>>4071722
>We will get lost trying to track this deer

I might have agreed with you before we entered the woods but... c'mon dude we've been traipsing around in these woods for a couple of weeks and mechanically have gained bonuses due to our familiarity with them. I'm not worried

> Whatever killed that deer

The deer isn't dead, we've yet to hunt it. It left some fur on a branch
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>>4071539
>tfw when Emile realizes mother is a screamer
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>>4071509
>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
fuck it let's do it. We skipped out on other treasure hunting we can at least spend one day hunting.
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>>4071723
>I'm not worried
Then you're an absolute imbecile. Emile almost died last time thanks to pathfinding/tracking failure and that was when Jess was with him. You must have the memory of a goldfish to think it's fine to go tracking/pathfinding without our guides and rely on Emile's familiarity.
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>>4071729
fear the dice blame the dice boy
>rely on Emile's familiarity.
don't forget the eagle, favor and ranger gear is better that nothing
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>>4071713
>>4071709
If you choose to go hunting you will all be present. But it’s not sporting to actually let ignoble helpers make the kill.
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>>4071729
And you're an absolute gaping cunt of a person. See how helpful name calling is?

We got unlucky once and almost died for it, but it isn't as if that was purely due to tracking and pathfinding. We had literally just fought the SoS, had a broken blade and we're badly injured. With the exception of that one big failure we've otherwise done quite well. Add on to this that that failure took place in the deep wood. We're on the edge of civilized land again, it's unlikely things will be so dire even if we do fail. On top of THAT, we aren't alone (we weren't last time I know, but all we had for protection was a fae girl with a sling, though she did surprisingly well). We've not got our brother, another knight, our squire, and our hireling. We also have Jessica potentially within hearing distance if we truly need her. And that's ignoring all of our bonuses and re-rolls, of which we have many

Oh and now look, Forgotten has confirmed they'll all be hanging around anyway so your paranoia can end

>>4071736
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>>4071729
>Emile almost died last time thanks to pathfinding/tracking failure and that was when Jess was with him

Are you referring to basilisk?
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>4071734
>Be dumb player
>Pick dumb
>Get dumb
>Don't blame me and my dumb choices for the dumb results blame the results themselves

No I'll blame the idiots who picked the dumb choice and allowed the shit dice to happen in the first place. Do dumb you die dumb

>>4071737
Get bent imbecile. I don't give a fuck about your retarded justifications for your dumb shit.

>>4071736
Thank fuck.
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>>4071736
I have but one request for this hunting trip and that instead of our brother chase out the deer, we have sir marc do it.

A healthy fear of the dice gods means i dont want to shoot our brother.
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>>4071740
>No I'll blame the idiots who picked the dumb choice
What was that dumb choice you refer to?
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>>4071740
Oh shit I know exactly who you are! I remember you from earlier threads where you would instead quote peoples ID and insult people constantly when they disagreed with you! I had honestly thought you moved on from this quest but here you are again.

I'm going to stop arguing with you because I remember last time we did this Forgotten ended a thread early and threatened to ignore either of our votes. That was a huge shitfest and based on your last comment you obviously aren't interested in arguing in good faith. Hilarious that you're back and angry-voting again though
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>>4071509
>”An attractive notion, and under other circumstances I’d be all for it. But best not to tarry.” Even if it is not technically poaching, arriving at Motte-Fallavon with a Red Deer carcass in tow could give rise to a misunderstanding. [Haughty]
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>>4071736
>But it’s not sporting to actually let ignoble helpers make the kill.

You do realize nobles had shitloads of people with them whenever they went hunting, right? They went with entire bands of people and had horses, tents, hunting animals, etc. It wasn't something like
>Okay I'm walking through the woods with a spear here

No one gave a damn whether you had helpers and they certainly didn't consider it unsporting.
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>>4071709
>A pelt and the meat of a single red deer won't be worth anything substantial.

I mean that may depend on if we sell it here or somewhere urban like Pascae also of course on how much copperclippery is involved, at the very least it may fetch a price in Romanie or at least be a worthwhile gift to our family as the red deer there have been hunted to extinction there and Imports might be inflated.

>>4071726
I'll admit the Idea of Emille squirming at that gave me a solid laugh, I wonder what he'll think of some actually degeneracy like not holding hands and having sex in a position that isn't missionary

>>4071736
Thanks boss
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>>4071754
you now remember Jean rode him like a pony
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>>4071762
I have to admit its been so damn long since then I had to see if it was true.
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>>4071753
Oh I made a small mistake here. Sir Emile is technically not a real noble since he's a landless knight (knight bachelor). He's not a lord like his father or his elder brother and stands to inherit nothing. He is of the lower nobility (gentry). He's still a high-born of noble blood though.

What is the Cantonian peerage noble rank system like btw Forgotten? Is it something like this:
>King/Queen
>Crown Prince/Crown Princess
>Royal Prince/Royal Princess
>Duke/Duchess
>Marquis/Marquess/Marcher Lord/Marchioness/Landgrave/Count palatine
>Count/Countess/Earl/Graf/Burgrave
>Viscount/Viscountess
>Baron/Baroness
>Lord/Lady
>Knight Banneret/Baronet/Baronetess
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>>4071509

>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071509
>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty
Oh yes let the hunt began.
We really need to wright a book about our time on the road.
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>>4071753
>>4071845
Another question I'd like to ask is how does succession and land inheritance work in Canton? I know that it's not the same in all of the Five Duchies. For example, I remember you saying that Sir Neil's father was a landed knight and a vassal to a lord, but the land reverted back to his liege lord who granted it (or his liege lord's successor) once Sir Neil's father died because that's how succession and land inheritance works in the Duchy of Motte-Fallavon. How about the other duchies and the royal succession then? Is it primgentioure or gavelkind? Is it agnatic or cognatic?
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>>4071895
nah i think it's kinda like a vice royalty(play ck2 with the byzantine emp) in that he was new blood so the lord only gave out the title for the duration of his life i doubt he would treat his more entrenched old blood nobles like that
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>>4071895
all Duchies seem to operate on agnatic-cognatic gendered succesion laws with the exception of Romanie who seem to be split between agnatic and absolute cognatic due to be substantially more liberal in regards to the rights of women, we see montbrune largely operates with agnatic-cognatic because lady Vancewell inherits her families lands since her brother was executed.

we'll need to learn more to confirm anything else but I'm betting Aubrey operates on Primogeniture inheritance as long as the matter is condoned by whoever maintains the hegemony of the time.
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>>4071904
Yeah Sir Neil's father was of common blood. It might not have reverted if his father was a landless gentry/lower nobility of noble blood who was granted land.

>>4071913
Yeah I forgot to recall Lady Vancewell's succession/inheritance. That's good info.

The royal succession/inheritance laws might not be the same as the ducal succession/inheritance laws of the Duchy of Aubrey though.
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]
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>>4071509
>>”Red Deer, eh? We don’t even have those in Romaine anymore. Well, what are we waiting for? Let the hunt begin!” Bagging a red deer would definitively mark your achievement as an accomplished woodsman. [Hearty]

>>4071514
Atrocious, I don't think you understand medieval courtly hunting
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>>4071709
>>4071754
Don't try to make sense of this quest's economic monetry system. The more you think about it, the less sense it makes. Forgotten is shit when it comes to anything concerning economics, currency, money, etc.

>>4071845
This is only for the feudal ranks of nobles though. It doesn't include the clerical and mercantile feudal ranks like burgher, bishop, archbishop, lord mayor, sheriff, etc. The Church would have many powerful landed noble clergy beneath the Queen who answer and follow only the Queen and the Church as her direct vassals. It would be similar to the irl land sees of the Archbishopirc of Canterbury and Bishopirc of Bayeux. It would definitely be the same for the mercantile feudal ranks in Pascae.
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>>4071935
You think wrong then.
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Kill a wolf isntead. It'll have stronger fur to sell, can be made into armor

Probably should just kill a wolf instead rather than waste time on some red deer bullshit
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>>4071943
The red deer is clearly more prestigious to hunt. I don't think we'd make anything of real value from hunting a single wolf
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>4071650
>4071859
>4071860
>4071927
>4071935
Goddamn at least try to make your samefagging subtle you cunts (or cunt).
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>>4071947
You could at least bother checking for 1 post IDs
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>>4071945
Wolf have fights with each other though so it has protective shell, its bred by evolution.
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>>4071509
>”We’re nearly at our destination, and I’ve had my fill of this woods. Let’s not get delayed by distractions.” You’re in no mood to spend any further time in this forest. Besides, who knows what else you might run into. [Idealist]
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>>4071967
Something like this?
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