You are Alberich: serial killer, familiar to two magi, and dubiously related to the gods. Since discovering the true nature of your existence, you've cut a man in half, seen him get up again, and met your sister. The latter experience was the more surprising one, on reflection.On the night of Wednesday, November 13, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a legendary warrior contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail, their existence sustained by the mystic energy of their summoner. In your case you were conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being a legendary warrior, but that's neither here nor there at this point. The magic empowered you enough to fill the role, anyway.After spending a few days learning about the Holy Grail War and your surroundings, you and your Master, Jean-Pierre Vaisset, had your first skirmish with the enemy: a complete defeat. The enemy Servant outclassed you utterly, and the only reason you survived was that her Master ordered her to retreat once he'd killed Vaisset.With Vaisset dead and your supply of mystic energy cut off, you were prepared to fade into the aether when you discovered to your surprise that he'd prepared a backup plan to transfer his Command Spells to his sister in the event of his death. This transfer of authority was immediately followed by a physical transference, and you appeared in the girl's bedroom. Thus you found yourself breaking the news of her older brother's death to Shijou Ayaka, your new Master, in the middle of the night, only a few moments after you learned of it yourself.She took it surprisingly well, and since then many things have happened. You slew one Servant, grew stronger by his death, and fled from another. You learned the truth that you were never human, but an artificial hero created by Judas. This revelation about your identity has not changed your goal, however. Whether or not your life has been by the design of another, there is only one path before you. You must win the Holy Grail if you wish to survive. Five Servants remain to fall by your sword.This morning, you're trying to work out a new plan in the wake of the revelation that your old comrades Matsuda and Ogawara were created as you were, and became Servants as you did; that one of these was the Servant hunting down families of mundanes, and has rejoined your household as your sister; and that the Akeldama's Caster and Berserker are somewhere in Tokyo, without Masters. The path to the Holy Grail becomes unclear before you, but you remain determined to walk it.Previous thread: >>3632706Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
Where we left off..."Perhaps you can find someone else for me instead," you say, your mind already shifting to the next potential development. "Liliesviel von Einzbern. I assume you're aware of her little misconception about me." That's a girl you can put to use with none of the potential danger the Emiyas pose. She may be a bit off-kilter, but all the same you're sure such a young, innocent girl wouldn't have it in her to betray you. It's simply a matter of getting close to her. For that, visiting her during the day would be best. There is her casual comment about killing you to remember, after all; a child's innocent straightforwardness can go both ways."So you... want to work with that girl... after all," Kōrakuhime says, rousing you from your musing. "The Emiya family did not... sway you with their righteous aims?""Ahem," you cough awkwardly. "While Emiya certainly does have the best interests of the people in mind, I cannot simply put aside my own life.""Of course," she replies. "I would expect nothing... less from you, Ani-ue. To be unmoved by moral concerns is... the mark of a true leader. But... to answer your question... yes, I can divine her location. Let us see... what she is doing at the moment." With those words, she draws a paper flower from her sleeve and sets it in the air between the two of you. For a moment it simply hangs suspended there, until the construct suddenly catches fire. An improbable quantity of smoke rises, rapidly forming a white cloud that fills the center of the room, before an image appears in it. You can see clearly, as if the smoke had become a window, a downtown skyline; it's one of the city's many high-density neighborhoods."Hmmm... so they're in that building... it is relatively nearby," Kōrakuhime comments. "Let us take a closer view." At her words the image changes, zooming towards one of the skyscrapers like an approaching movie camera. Then it suddenly passes through the outer wall, and in the moment of darkness shifts to an overhead view of a bedroom that wouldn't have looked out of place in the Akeldama's palatial university. As the eye of the magic shifts again, so that it's no longer looking down from directly above, the occupant of a large canopy bed comes into view: Liliesviel, a vision of snow-white purity, is fast asleep. By comparison with the large bed, she seems even tinier than when you met her in the limousine previously, that small body almost lost amidst the blankets and cushions that surround her."Your potential ally is... a late sleeper," Kōrakuhime comments. "It's... nearly ten.""She's either a human magus or a homunculus, modeled on humans," you say, feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl. "The Holy Grail War requires us to travel about at night. It's hardly surprising she would want to make up for the lost sleep in the morning.""Perhaps," Kōrakuhime replies noncommittally. "Let us look around... some more."
As the eye of divination passes over the opulently decorated penthouse, Liliesviel's living arrangements become clear. She seems to occupy the top floor of a skyscraper, while the lower floors are used as office space by various businesses. She's served by two maids, one of whom stands at attention by her door while the other busies herself preparing breakfast. The maids seem to share a bedroom, while Niemand has a room of his own. At the moment, he's sitting by the window there and staring out at the city, a moody expression on his aged face. There's no outwardly visible sign to indicate anything magical about the residence, intriguingly. If there is an Einzbern workshop in the city, then, it must be somewhere else. It's equally possible, of course, that the foreign magi simply felt no need to prepare a workshop for the short duration of the War."Shall we... watch them further," Kōrakuhime asks, "and observe the Einzbern girl's morning... routine?">[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)>[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on our way to Einzbern Tower." (Duty)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3663745Bench?Different bench, away from the Emiyas, but still.Bench?
Would it be wise to just beeline towards the Tower?
>>3663745>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)
>>3663745>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)Finally some training. Hopefully this will result In actual Improvements of our abilities and not just this being a waste of time.
>>3663745 >[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on to try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki."
Ok so...Quick session of combat trainingGo eat breakfast, attempt to summon something, then go see our other little sister?
>>3664227And for the night we have planned a mass kidnapping to solve our mana problem without killing anyone.
>>3664263Excellent.A mere temporary method, before we all incarnate.I say we definitely target that scheming bitch Master of Archer next. Whatever she's planning I want to stop it, and kill her, maybe.It's free mana for Kourakuhime. Also>you say, feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl.Alberich really wants to protect that smile, I do hope we can have her make the incarnation wish without dying.I'd like her to be a part of our family too.It's a great honor, the future ruler of the world taking an interest in you.
>>3663745We should try summoning something. Making her fight before she has an energy supply doesn't make much sense.
>>3664314It's more of a friendly spar.See what her capabilities are.Also we can't just let her become a shut-in.Obviously we aren't just going to go full power at each other. Just dont want her fumbling in an actual combat scenario. She's probably never had an actual fight before, especially against somebody with Magic Resistance.
>>3664320I mean, she can become a shut-in if she wants, but it can wait until after the war.We just need to trust her more for now.I want to have a good relationship with her.
>>3663740Sprite edit anon here, can also do a bit of drawfagging on the side. Whatcha got in mind, Sweets?Pic related was the last Fate thing i did. Worked pretty well as a catalyst
>>3664320Right but she'll still be using energy that she can't currently replace
>>3663745>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)"I`ll promise to be gentle".
>>3664651This is a prevalent problem. Who knows how that ritual works? It could end up being more conspicuous the more energy it absorbs.>>3664660...
>>3664651She's been scrying us for pretty much her entire existence, I'd say that now she isn't expending her energy to watch her IRL anime she should have some free.>>3664660Nice.
So once we have the energy problem sorted, I have a strategy question to resolve with you anons- will Alberich be dragging Kōrakuhime around everywhere, or what? Even for a caster, her physical stats are utterly abysmal. So I worry about having her around when we could be ambushed by A-Agility servants like Saber and Berserker are about. She'd be invaluable to protect Ayaka against Archer probably.....
>>3664697She can just fly out of their range.She can also stay with Ayaka near the Pegasus in the sky if we can actually get that plan to work.
>>3664697With her Territory Creation it is probably better to let her stay at the mansion and protect Ayaka. Constant monitoring over Tokyo would also prove beneficial while we are doing most of heavy lifting.
>>3664697>Even for a caster, her physical stats are utterly abysmalDemonic Nature of Oni fixes that temporarily, but yes.>will Alberich be dragging Kōrakuhime around everywhere, or what?Fuck, no. We let her guard our home, and Circe and Adelheid will probably join her in that respect unless we need everyone out at once. Having someone guard your HQ is essential, and there's nobody better than a Caster to do it.>She'd be invaluable to protect Ayaka against Archer probably.....This is a good role for her to play, but I'm hesitant to reveal the advantage of having Kourakuhime on our side to Akagata and Archer.
>>3664697There's still the issue of being seen in combat with an extra servant. Although nobody saw the original caster so we could possibly get away with it...
>>3664767The Einzberns know that we replaced Caster, but maybe not that he was Judas or that we have siblings.They've also demonstrated the ability to watch us without our knowledge.
>>3664774>>3664767>>3664733>>3664730So we have Kōrakuhime operating a command center in the mansion, relaying intel through our telepatic link with Ayaka. Yes, this takes care of both of their weaknesses and protects the homefront. I like it. Ah, but we need Ayaka present for the ritual during our next servant kill. Decisions decisons...
You know, we should've scried on Archer's hag. Get a clue on what they might be up to.
>>3664786Not should've, should.
>>3664778>Phase I: have Kourakuhime scry out the other Servants, pick off and eat isolated ones>Phase 1.5: find Circe, Adelheid and Matsuda>Phase II: kill Arturia>Phase III: have the Emiyas and the Einzberns kill each other, eat Medusa and Otto>Phase IV: wish for incarnation
>>3664799I see nothing in there about killing Bahsaka. How are we going to do that? I want to enlist Arturia to do it somehow. We'll definitely need Medusa's help with it.
>>3664774I thought they only mentioned "a" servant.Or was it specifically Caster? Regardless, they know the war is fucked anyway.I want to save Lily. We are the superior elder (younger) brother. Emiya is nothing but a failure on that front. In fact>be Shirou>entire family burns to death>get adopted by Kiritsugu >he dies>find out you have a sister>she diesWhat a loser.Aaaanyway, everyone is thinking about corrupting Saber into Alter, but there's another servant we could also attempt to alter...
>>3664806>I thought they only mentioned "a" servant.She specifically stated that we became Saber after killing Caster.
>>3664799>kill ArturiaThat's our maid, no.>have the Emiyas and Einzbern kill each otherNo.>eat MedusaMaybe. >eat Otto.Yes
>>3664806>wanting to create something like the GorgonAre you joking?
>>3664810Oh I must have missed that line.Fuck.Oh well.There's also 3 Berserkers.Hell, Circe is around giving it two Casters.This war is fucked
>>3664817What's the worst that could happen?
>>3664814>kill ArturiaY E S
>>3664836SHE LITERALLY JUST GETS A RESPAWN THERE'S NO POINT.Honestly corrupting her is far more apt as a punishment. Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.A few days as alter has affected her mentally quite significantly even when the corruption is technically gone.
>>3664853>SHE LITERALLY JUST GETS A RESPAWN THERE'S NO POINT.WE CAN KILL HER AND EAT HER ENERGY, THAT IS A MASSIVE POINT>Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.Fuck going full Gilgamesh, I'm not getting Alberich merced out of some foolish desire to "punish" her. She'll get hers.
>>3664853>Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.This is going to be so delicious.
>>3664860But we can alter her.Gilgamesh knows he could have too, but he's autistic so doesn't want to.Also having somebody else around with magic resistance will make the elimination of magi much easier when we take over.Also an additional servant is more useful than a moderate power boost
>>3664880Also, Kourakuhime's Akeldama based NP might be able to power us up anyway.Making stealing the energy of a Servant far less appealing than recruiting them into our forces.
>>3664378You see, I've been reading some of the drawquests being posted lately, and I was thinking it'd be great to have an image to go with my updates that way. This one would've been a picture of Liliesviel sleeping, the last one would've been a shot of your conversation with Korakuhime with the POV behind Alberich, and so-on. Unfortunately, I can't draw. At all. So I was thinking about how great it'd be if I found a collaborator to do art for the quest.
>>3664880>But we can alter her.Can we? And I mean not theoretically. I mean practically.How do we get her to not murder us while we try to corrupt her? How do we manage not to kill her while fighting her when our only good weapon is really lethal? How do we corrupt her in the first place? How do we test if our corruption idea works so we don't find it out when it fails and we have a sword in our chest?Because at the moment all I see are wishes. Wishes that will get us killed when we hold back on killing her because we want to corrupt her.Yes, it would be nice if we could just corrupt her, but it would also have been nice to be able to draw mana through our sword.
>>3664941We can likely get Circe or Kourakuhime to fuck with Harris' command spells/mind. Medea could bind a weakened Saber with magic. Circe could do the same.We just need to fucking find her.Saber does poorly against Casters.
>>3664975>We can likely get Circe or Kourakuhime to fuck with Harris' command spells/mind. If we can get Tsubaki in Harris' vicinity without Saber murdering her.>Medea could bind a weakened Saber with magic. Circe could do the same.And we have currently neither Medea nor Circe nor is Saber currently weakened.
>>3664986If we get Tsubaki within Harris' vicinity, Saber is obviously going to be rather preoccupied.We do need to find Circe to make the plan work though.
Ah, I just realized something else. So far, for the purposes of acquiring power, we've been very focused on defeating the Servants of the enemy. Yet this is obviously the tougher way to go about fighting these battles, as compared to eliminating the masters. Any thoughts about this anons?
>>3664924They'd probably be only sketch-tier if you want them to go with every update. Also some way to contact outside of thread I guess
>>3665059I'm thinking we check to see if Lumenza can dodge our rifts.
>>3665088We'd be far too occupied by Berserker to try that.
>>3665094Not if we start the battle on our own terms.
>>3663745>[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on our way to Einzbern Tower." (Duty)>>3664824Honestly? Breaker Gorgon. Alberich has no counter to it and would be consumed quite easily thereafter.>>3664975>>3664986>If we can get Tsubaki in Harris' vicinity without Saber murdering her.This is just as dangerous as having Tsubaki fight Saber. It only took a high school girl with reinforcement magic to beat Medea into the dirt. Bringing an inexperienced mage face to face with a professional mage killer is a recipe for disaster.
>>3665139Medea jobbing against Rin is entirely the fault of her not considering Rin to be a threat at all.Had she been taking it even halfway seriously then Rin just gets continually spammed with lasers until she dies.It's the same as Shirou beating Gil.Also, Jewel Magecraft is broken.
>>3665169And who's to say Tsubaki won't get sloppy and think that she has the fight in the bag just because she's a Servant against a Master?It's also very likely that Harris has some anti-mage ace in the hole like Kerry's origin rounds. We found Vaisset reduced to paste, remember. A regular battle wouldn't do that to someone.
>>3665167Also, I'd suggest you read the scene again if you think it was only reinforcement magic that let her win.She uses quite a few jewels in just not getting insta-killed.The ability of Jewel Magecraft to cast spells at high speed is the ONLY reason that Rin lived.Also, Kourakuhime can use her Oni strength should it come to blows.
>>3665184>a regular battle wouldn't do that to someone These are magi and they weren't punching each other, yes, it could've been any sort of effect, the human body isn't exactly durable.I highly doubt that Harris has some magic anti-servant weapon hidden away.Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.Indeed, she should realise that there is a superior Caster within Tokyo.
>>3665188The jewels were important because they let Rin close the distance to Medea without dying. Letting Tsubaki approach Harris of her own volition removes the need for the jewels. Her Oni strength isn't guaranteed to help, since she'd need to be able to react and activate it without getting killed first, and Harris might not even need to beat her up if he can just trash her Magic Circuits like Kerry.>>3665214>it could've been any sort of effect, the human body isn't exactly durable.This is my point, really. Remember what happened to Fastwheels? I'd be very surprised if Harris doesn't have some sort of magical dedicated anti-mage weapon or spell.>Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.In Tsubaki's case, it doesn't need to be arrogance. Ignorance and/or rookie mistakes are just as likely to do her in.
>>3665214>Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.>implying
>>3665234Tsubaki's physical stats might all be trash, but she's still a Servant, she's still got the same physical ability as conceptual Rushorou, also. Arguing that specifically anti human magus weapons would have the same intended effect is foolish.If Harris has no way to nullify her magecraft, his limbs go soaring away.The gems are immensely important yet you keep underselling them, Rin spends years of magical energy on that fight.
>>3665271>Tsubaki's physical stats might all be trash, but she's still a Servant, she's still got the same physical ability as conceptual RushorouMedea outclassed grailed Rushorou in multiple stats, but that didn't help too much when Rin socked her in the gut.>Arguing that specifically anti human magus weapons would have the same intended effect is foolish.I don't think so. Kerry's Origin Bullets are Conceptual Weapons that cut and tie the target's Magic Circuits upon contact with the target's magecraft. Since they are magic, they should be able to hurt Servants. Just a reinforced arm or leg can kill Medea - it's not like you need a legendary weapon to hurt a Servant, it just can't be totally normal. Tsubaki also has no Magic Resistance. It's not unreasonable to conclude that Origin Bullets would have a similar effect on a physically fragile Caster to what they would on a normal human.>If Harris has no way to nullify her magecraft,That's what his secret weapon probably is, being a magus killer and all.>The gems are immensely important yet you keep underselling them, Rin spends years of magical energy on that fight.I'm not underselling them, the situation just renders their effect irrelevant. The gems matter against Medea because Rin can only beat Medea if she gets close and kicks the shit out of her. In order to get close, she baits Medea into what appears to be a magic duel before suddenly crossing the remaining distance and beating her up. If Tsubaki approaches Harris of her own accord, there's no need for the gems because the purpose of the gems - to close the distance - is eliminated by Tsubaki herself.
>>3665328>Medea outclassed grailed Rushorou in multiple stats, but that didn't help too much when Rin socked her in the gut.Rin's speed in that scene is described as "Saber-like"I can only assume she used a gem to reinforce herself to such a degree.You're really underselling jewel magecraft in general. Kerry's origin bullets on a servant are fucky and we have no way of knowing how they would work, so kind of an irrelevant point. Also Harris isn't Kerry.>That's what his secret weapon probably isNow you're just being silly. Magus Killer doesn't mean "immune to magic". You're also assuming that Tsubaki would get into melee range and not just incap Harris at range.She sleep spell'd Ayaka pretty easily and could easily just stay airborne and sever Harris' limbs.
>>3664806>Lancer>No weaponThey weren't even trying, were they?>>3665081I'm not sure what "sketch-tier" means for you; every artist has their own definition of that. And yes, contact outside of the thread is something that would have to be resolved. Let me know if you're interested, and no hard feelings if not.>>3665239What, you're saying Kōrakuhime has been acting as arrogant as Medea?
>>3665372>You're also assuming that Tsubaki would get into melee range and not just incap Harris at range.>She sleep spell'd Ayaka pretty easily and could easily just stay airborne and sever Harris' limbs.You're assuming that she can. We don't have a clue what she can do aside from set up bounded fields, put people in those fields to sleep, burn houses, and fly.At this stage, there's no point in continuing this discussion. It's clear you think Harris poses no threat to Tsubaki, while I think he does. Let's just agree to disagree.
>>3665435I just don't think we'll get anywhere by overestimating every single person we meet.Sometimes, you overestimate them and expect a big fight and you just instantly kill them. Like with Ambrose. But honestly, underestimating Caster makes no sense. While Harris could pose a threat, it's unlikely. Rin is absolutely bullshit, as far as magi go, which is why she did so well.>>3665434She has Harpe.
>>3665455I don't have any doubt that Alberich or pretty much any other Servant - even Circe - would wipe the floor with Harris given the opportunity. I also don't doubt that Tsubaki would be a lethal opponent against a Master like Akagata or Liliesviel. I'm only concerned specifically about the matchup between Tsubaki, a Caster who's never seen battle before and has spent her whole life sheltered (and lacks Mind's Eye (True) to make up for the experience gap), and a career magus killer.
>>3665434She's certainly been acting quite smug and "this is all according to my plan". Which to be fair, seems to be an entirely justified sentiment thusfar. But anon was implying that Kōrakuhime wouldn't be prideful enough shit on a mere human who might be able to injure/kill her, and I believe that idea to be false.
>>3665434Speaking of Kōrakuhime, what was going on when we first found Ogawara Sweets? I get it was a reference to the prologue of F/SN, but what were those entities that were fighting?
>>3665455This is one time when I have to say I prefer what we actually got from FGO. That design manages to be worse than Servant Gorgon or Lancer Medusa.>>3665502Wraiths. A type of familiar somewhere between skeletons and Servants in power. If a Servant is a degraded copy of a Heroic Spirit, you can think of these as the next step down. Judas sprinkled a few of them around the cities for variety.
>>3665515That design IS from FGO though.The adaption of the first singularity. Here's EMIYA (Alter(but actually Alter and not Pucci))>>3665478I would hope she wouldn't underestimate Magi, she likely saw Rin hold off Berserker with her magic.>>3665477The reason Kerry was so good at killing magi was because he prepared for the fights in advance and fought them with unorthodox (to magi) technology. He's nowhere near as good in an ambush against him.He also had Avalon.Also, Kourakuhime might have some pride in her magic but she's not really at the same level as the majority of magi at being an arrogant spergelord.
>>3665551>That design IS from FGO though.>The adaption of the first singularity.Right, but both of those designs are unique to the anime adaptation. They don't appear in FGO itself.
>>3665620Yeah, but they are FGOs fault, it turns out that having the majority of the enemies in singularity 1 be silhouettes doesn't adapt well. I prefer that EMIYA alter to the aberration that was given to us, even if the design of this one is far simpler.That Lancer Medusa is pretty lame though.I'll never not be mad about pic.
>>3665648>picDid she deserve it?
>>3666014>"Either way if a human being touches it, they will be split apart on a molecular level. You will experience living infinite death."Yeah I think that's a "no."She literally gets one of the most (if not the most) nightmarish deaths in the entire fucking franchise for no reason.Like, she just gets killed before she can actually do anything.What a wasted character.Then the cardboard cut-out characters are just like "oh well lmao". She's mourned and forgotten in like 3 lines.
>>3666052Honestly, I don't even know if there IS a character in the Nasuverse that actually deserves getting Diavolo'd to such a degree.And Olga didn't even do anything at all to deserve it.
>>3665648>I'll never not be mad about pic.Someday, DW will release the waifu raising simulator we really deserve.
>>3666181>DW>doing anything nice
I wonder how a Nasuverse Princess Maker would play out?
>>3666206You play as the head of a London-based magus household and raise your heir, with various endings based on what he/she achieves in the Clock Tower, and others where he/she goes rogue and winds up becoming a heretical magus or dead apostle. A follow-up or expansion pack would add scenarios for being a part of Atlas or the Wandering Sea.
>>3666181You'll get FGO Part 3 and you'll enjoy it.It really should not have continued after the whole thing with the singularities but hey, it will continue as long as the series keeps making money.Though personally I find this timeline culling, quantum time lock and Lostbelt shit to be some of the most stupid shit in the series.Fuck Grand Order and Fuck Extra/Extella.>>3666206I thought that was what we were doing with Tsubaki.
>>3666206You play as Merlin and you have to raise Arturia. Success is measured by how close you are to realizing the legend on a percentage scale.
>>3666227>true end is just getting NTRd by Shirou after he somehow gets into AvalonIn hindsight maybe the "surprise penis" spell was actually a terrible idea.In fact you could argue that most of Merlin's ideas are terrible.Up to and including "make the king a girl."
>>3666214That sounds fun. What would be Princess of Darkness?
So what would our casual clothes be like, if we haven't picked them out yet?
>>3666724I say just suits
>>3666762Yeah, no need to fix what isn't broken.
>>3666724Haven't thought of that, but I think our Sister would look pretty good in some Meiji-era inspired outfits.
>>3666206I would unironically love to play that game.
tfw no update.>>3666724Well we usually wear a black and red pinstripe suit.Mostly we stick to suits entirely, honestly. Getting some more casual clothes couldn't hurt.
>Anons want to abandon the suitsCowardice. May as well start going around in the nude in that scenario.
>>3667083Why not? Let everyone marvel at our Conceptual Biology: A
>>3667083It's not like we'd never wear a suit again.It's just that there are some situations in which wearing a suit wouldn't be appropriate. Also, longcoats are cool.
What's our long-term plan for world domination?
>>3667113Bringing back the Gods ought to do the trick.
>>3667113Well, we're going to need some more magic...
>>3667117Well, yes, but world domination is how we're going to do that.I mean, how are we going to crush everyone in the moonlit world?>>3667123We could also do with some backers. The Wandering Sea could be bought pretty easily with the promise of tutelage from Circe, if they weren't already interested in bringing back the Age of Gods...
>>3667130Well the moonlit world is still a problem, but for the actual world we can probably just brainwash governments. Then we can make use of the mass surveillance of the information age that government organisations have access to in order to help us track down unaffiliated magi and give them the choice to join us or die.Also include a Geas if they choose to join us. We can't simply brainwash everyone but we can't risk betrayal. We could also have snipers or assaasins sent after influential members of the Mage Association who we figure wouldn't support us. You can be a powerful magus, but you're unlikely to survive a surprise .50 calibur round blasting through your skull and turning your head into salsa.Turn their whole organization into a chaotic mess. Bonus points if we purposely fail an assassination and give the assassin false memories of being hired by a faction in the Mage Association. Have them tear each other to shreds, save us the time.World domination should be done from the shadows, and once the pieces are all in place, we raise the curtain on our glorious victory.
>>3667142Oh right, but not just assassinations.We could have some magus sleeper agents too.Circe, like Medea, can probably just rewrite enemy bounded fields to ignore her.Then it's simply a matter of inputting the sleeper order and disappearing without our presence ever being known.
>>3667142>>3667146This suffices for the organizations, but we still have the monsters to worry about:>Zelretch>Aoko>the DAAs (i.e. the DAs who would be a part of that organization in the Tsukihime timeline)>Lorelei and the magic brigade>fucking PrelatiProblematic, all of them.
>>3667198>Zelretch Honestly? There's no real solution to this. Just hope he decides not to get involved.>AokoDangerous, but not to the same level as Zelretch. We might be able to think of some way to deal with her.>Dead ApostlesThey range from "dangerous" to "pushover". Not really an insurmountable threat to 5 (possibly 6) servants. >LoreleiJust turn the big 3 clocktower factions against each other and she's massively weakened. She's a powerful magus but Circe still outclasses all of the modern magi. >PrelatiActual pleb without their book, which Gilles has. Only thing they've got is the ability to self rez.
>>3663743>"feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl"So this is the power of compassionfags..... impressive.
>>3667198>ZelretchWould he be against the world regaining the lost mana?
>>3667218Alberich wants to protect the lolis. I'm sure he'd get as angry as Shirou at something like Illya's death in UBW.Except he would actually be able to intervene in a situation like that unlike Shirou who would simply immediately die.>>3667233Who even fucking knows, honestly?
>>3667243>unlike Shirou who would simply immediately dieYou can't blame Shirou for resorting to his usual tactic of death, much in the same way that you can't blame Alberich for running headlong into a trap against a superior foe. It's simply their respective natures.
>>3667207>Honestly? There's no real solution to this. Just hope he decides not to get involved.We'll have to deal with him at some point.>Dangerous, but not to the same level as Zelretch. We might be able to think of some way to deal with her.Her magecraft isn't very useful against us, so she'll have to rely on her magic.There's no way to run her over, so we'll end up either assassinating her or brainwashing her somehow.>She's a powerful magusBit of an understatement when you talk about the woman who leveled up her magecraft almost to the level of magic.>Actual pleb without their book, which Gilles has.I'm talking about the living person, not the hero. Oh, and I forgot to mention other people, like Kurogiri Satsuki (knows the Unified Language and is really good at compelling people with it), Ciel (not too dangerous physically but she can permakill us with the Seventh Holy Scripture) if she's around, Touko, Araya if he's around and Soujuurou.
>>3667246>Shirou immediately dies against Berserker as soon as the fight startsClassic Shirou.You specialise in ARCHERY YOU IDIOT. STOP TRYING TO USE MELEE AND SHOOT SOME BROKEN PHANTASMS GOD DAMN IT.Honestly, now I'm wondering the results of a theorerical Gil vs Alberich + Heracles at the Einzbern Castle.Unlimited "ONORE" when Enkidu gets cut.
>>3667261>alberich shoots voidslash>gil is too full of himself to dodge and fucking dies trying to tank it with his speshul tuff armor
>>3667265Hmm... what if we shoot a voidwave into an activated Kenótis?
>>3667287Magical false vacuum.
>>3667257Honestly, we can take out quite a few of them with just assassinations and bombs. Lot of magi basically embody the "squishy wizard" cliche, and not many have the reaction speed to defend against hypersonic assassinations."Close to magic" is thrown around way too often and doesn't even really mean anything. Lorelei is effectively an unknown outside of "She's strong." and that she can fight the wimpier DAAs, but so can Ciel.Ciel is only a pain when she's got all her gear, otherwise you just have to disable her in a non-lethal way.Living Prelati gets their shit slapped by pretty much everyone.Chemical and Biological Weapons should also work pretty well.Of course the assholes with puppets and self resurrection require extra care to end.Zelretch is just impossible though.
>>3667198>the DAAsThey wouldn't exist in the first place. Fate/stay night and Tsukihime are explicitly separate.
>>3667313>Chemical and Biological Weapons should also work pretty well.You want to mail everyone in Rin`s contact notebook some anthrax?
>>3667320That might kill a few of them.Also, didn't Lev just use a fucking bomb to kill practically every important member of Chaldea?We should have brainwashed magi sneak bombs into Clock Tower lecture halls.Kaboom.
>>3667330>letter arrives at the Edelfelt residence>"some of you guys are alright, don't go to the Clocktower tomorrow."
>>3667330>>3667351But, Anon, think of Waver! He worked really hard to get his class out of the gutter.
>>3667363I'm thinking of Waver. I'm thinking he doesn't have good odds of survival.
Killing another servant when? It feels like we haven't accomplished anything of note since finding Tsubaki like a week ago IRL
>>3667421Stop thinking in real time, then.
>>3667421Well first we need to summon that damn Pegasus. I seriously don't want to have Ayaka in a position where an enemy can hurt her.Besides, we've already killed one Servant, that's an incredible accomplishment. In Akeldama we had two Servants and only directly killed a single enemy Servant.And Judas with our bare hands.
>>3667421When we start our next battle anon. Don't rush the quest. There are plenty of quests that go IRL months without updates or significant achievements, give it time
>>3667431ActuallySaber: killed by LancerLancer: killed by ArcherArcher: killed by running out of energy against BerserkerRider: killed by ArcherAssassin: killed by RiderExtra Assassin: killed by JudasWe killed 0 servants directly except Judas, who didn't die when he was killed.
So how do we convince Shirou to let us conquer the world without him trying to stop us?Can we?probably notOutside of mind control, Geas, murdering him or memory manipulation, I mean.
>>3667493Conquer the world =/= destroying the world. If the superhero hasn't gone around trying to kill every petty despot or particularily ruthless magus, I assume he'll stay out of Alberich's way so long as It never gets out that he's ending the age of man
>>3667501I sure hope you're right. I kinda just want him to be happy with his family. He should be OK even if the Age of Man ends.
>>3667493I'm sure he won't be our biggest fan when we betray him for the grail
>>3667526Eh, if the grail works as intended it's not like he has much to be mad about. Considering it's that or attempt to sustain 5 (6 possibly) fucking servants with no grail.In fact, with Tsubaki and the knowledge we now have, us betraying him is pretty justifiable. I think it only goes to irredeemable tier if we kill somebody in his faction.
>>3667545It still reveals that we've been plotting to betray him the whole time
>>3667563Not really.There's a huge difference between sustaining 1 servant than there is to sustaining 5.
>>3667585I mean we're still manipulating him and his loved ones into helping us win the grail war, which puts them at risk, and intending to use the grail which may or may not unleash unspeakable evil into a densely populated city, all to save ourselves and a few of our friends
>>3667675He's getting involved of his own accord.As is Rin.>all to save ourselves and a few of our friendsThis argument would work better if it wasn't HF Shirou.His choice to save Sakura instead of killing her very easily could've gone dreadfully and ended with Angra Mainyu killing millions.In fact it does in multiple dead ends. And he's just doing it for his childhood friend he loves.Alberich is doing it for himself, his 2 siblings AND the two girls he loves.
>>3667684Right. But we're putting the person who he risked the entire world for at risk if we intend to use the grail. We have similar motivations sure but that doesn't mean he would forgive that.
>>3667688I mean, or we just get told by Lily that they've installed a new grail.Which considering this war was set up immediately after the 3rd by the Einzbern, it's kind of obvious as to what they've done. Kiritsugu got fucking JAPE'd.
>Sweets goes missing for a day without a wordpls no.
>>3667848>implying Sweets will lose that easilyProbably just a work-related emergency or something
>>3667855I hope you're right, anon.
So while we wait for SweetsWhy don't we discuss some more world domination plans?For the mundanes, not the moonlit world.We can't just brainwash everyone.
>>3668184Got to be honest with you man, I'm banking on the Gods killing ~90% of humanity so we can have an easier time of it
>>3668191It's not much of a plan.Also before the Gods perform a reverse decimation on humanity, I'd like to make use of some of their infrastructure to eliminate any pesky magi that could stand in our way.And I think that causing some apocalyptic restructuring of the planet will kind of damage said infrastructure.
So, when/if we finally meet Circe again, how do you think Alberich will respond?How will Circe respond?
>>3668422Intense Lewd Mana Transfer that would normally kill a human?
>>3668422Assuming Adel isn't there at the moment?We'll probably hug the shit outta her, and it will take her at least a second to realize who we are, so she'll be flustered.Then they gonna smoooooooooch Shit's finna be lit.
In hindsight, maybe a Twitter account would be a good thing.
>>3667692>Be Einzbern after summoning an Avenger>"Oh shit guys we got this.:>Dies like a huge punk bitch>No seriously there is jobbing then there is what happened to Avenger>Fuck now the grail is acting weird, who was the servant?>Who the fuck is Angry Manjew?>"Aŋra Mainiiu"? Who is ... wait all the worlds evil?>Why of all the things did you summon that?>Oh shit this black mud is terrible>"We need to start a new one">"Listen lets stick with the basic ones this time"Then Judas had to come in and fuck it all up.
>it's been more than 24 hours since his last post
>>3669098After all this time, I thought we were safe from the curse.
Rolled 12 (1d20)Sweets, where are you?I guess I have no choice but to roll a dice in this diceless quest.
>>3669252Sweets doesn't wake up for at least two hours, anon.
>>3669252Sorry anon, DC was 20.
>>3669255I guess it can't be helped.
Rolled 20, 9 = 29 (2d20)>>3669260Hold on, I've got bo3
>>3669260>>3669262What now funny man?AWAKEN MY QUEST MASTER
>>3669271Is this Dream Crusher: (star)?
So, I know FGO might not be the most popular topic around here, but seeing as it is Fate related, why is Caster considered a counter to Assassin? Isn't someone stealthy who can hit a Servant when they are unprepared the perfect counter to a Caster who banks on prep time. On the other hand who is Assassin good against Rider when assassins are bad at direct fights, something Rider is good at?
>>3669355A Watsonian explanation: most Assassins haven't reached the point of Presence Concealment: EX, so Bounded Fields can still detect them and react automatically even if the Caster can't react manually.A Doylist explanation: who gives a fuck as long as it brings in more money to fuel Takeuchi's crippling saberface porn addiction?
>>3669355Because Caster isn't a class you fuck with if you don't have magic resistance or if you're not Caster yourself.And of all classes, they've got the highest chance to detect an Assassin with their magecraft.
This wait is killing me.
I can`t believe Sweets got Alaya`d!
>>3669456His dream crusher skill posed too much of a threat to humanity
I refuse to believe Sweets is the kind of guy to get writer's block and ghost the quest, so I will keep believing in his inevitable return
>>3669561I too, have faith in Sweets.I just can't handle another disappearing QM.
>>3669561He's probably to busy watching El-Melloi Case Files on an endless loop.
>Everyone waiting for Sweets to get back.He's probably been stricken down by the /qst/ gods for trying to run a Fates quest that lasts longer than 5 threads at most.Not saying he's dead, but it will be at least a month before we hear from him, if we ever do again.Either way, the thread is dunzo.
>>3669729No! No I won't believe you.I refuse to accept this future.
>>3669729Those damned treacherous gods. After all we had done for them.Summon the Velber.
>>3669740Sorry bruh, that's how these things tend to go.Waifus don't leave for extended periods without tragedy.QMs will always flake at the most inconvenient times.Good quests die young.Fates quests don't last more than 2-5 threadsIf you read the archive, that's the way of the world, baby.
>>3669845No stop.Please. It's been less than two days.
>>3669851And it's probably gonna be many more before we see him again.Or not.I like to plan for the worst with these things, but I hope he blows my ass out by popping up right after my post.He'd be an exception.
>>3669979Sweets?This is the part where you show up.Please.
Maybe posting this will cause Sweets to appear to us.>EX rank luck >"lack of tenacity, luck">lack of luck
And we're back! Sort of. I can't guarantee I'll be able to post tomorrow, but on Friday I should be back on my normal schedule. Sorry about the unannounced hiatus, folks. I had a sudden work emergency crop up the other day, and I haven't really had any free time since.>>3666794I like it! Post more meiji/taisho style outfits for Kōrakuhime.>>3667142>We could also have snipers or assaasins sent after influential members of the Mage Association who we figure wouldn't support us.Kiritsugu go home.>>3667848I was tempted to try and find a way to work Sacchin into this, since she's my favorite Tsukihime girl, but there's no reasonable way to do it.>>3669355Because they didn't want to make a proper Fate game and decided to rip off pokemon for no reason.>>3669647Joke's on you, I haven't even started it.>>3669845>Fates quests don't last more than 2-5 threadsEven if you'd guessed right, and I really was gone, you're posting on the 16th thread of a Fate quest. A bit late there, anon.
When if we kill berserker, what should we upgrade?>Invincibility+Kenotis becomes second skin/portal to IR>Stat boost>Regenerative abilities>Unarmed combat expertiseAny other ideas? Thoughts?
"No, I've seen enough," you say. "And in any case, we have some sparring to do.""...sparring?" Kōrakuhime looks at you blankly."Of course," you answer cheerfully, getting to your feet. "I need to gauge your combat abilities for myself if we're to fight together. What better way could there be to do that than by combat?""There's really no need for that," she protests. "I sent you a... dream, informing you of my abilities... last night, did I not?""I'd guessed that was your work, yes," you say, "but it quickly faded. You know how difficult dreams are to remember, surely. In any case, even if I had memorized everything you told me, that would be no substitute for a proper test.""But- listen, I don't have any abilities suited to close combat ," Kōrakuhime insists, becoming more distressed. "As a Caster, you should know that I... use magic, from a distance... an indirect battle would be my forte.""Nonsense. You have some sort of oni power that enhances your physical strength, don't you?" You won't be dissuaded. There's simply no way you can rely on Kōrakuhime in a fight without first seeing how she fares against a live opponent. "Don't worry," you continue in a reassuring tone. "I'm not forgetting what you said about being gentler; I'll even use a blunt sword, so there's no danger."Kōrakuhime looks at you as a condemned man looks at the guillotine, finally answering "Very well, it seems I have no choice. If you insist, I will... spar with you."With that, you lead her out of her bedroom and down to the Shijou family's basement. Your first choice for a place to spar would have been an open location, such as the back garden, but even casual sparring would likely draw witnesses when the combatants are a pair of Servants. Unfortunately, you'll have to compromise on optimal training if you want to enforce the magi's rule of secrecy. With that in mind the two of you wind up facing each other in the late Jean-Pierre Vaisset's workshop; or one part of it, at any rate. It's an oblong stone chamber accessible through a side door from the room in which you were summoned, which you found during your first sweep for security and noted as an acceptable space for sparring. The room is hardly as convenient as the University's gymnasium, being closer in size to a dining room, but the numerous burn marks, craters, and other scars on the floor and walls bear testament to the fact that this was used as the testing ground for the more dangerous mysteries devised by the house's inhabitants over the years. What it lacks in size, it makes up for in sturdiness and silence.
You stand the far end of the room from the entrance, and at your prompting Kōrakuhime comes to an awkward stop about fifteen feet away from you. She may feel it's a comfortable distance for her magic, or perhaps has taken up a position at random; from her uncomfortable posture and total lack of a fighting stance, it's hard to say. Whatever the reason for her positioning, though, it's an easy space for you to close. Drawing out your Od, you form a decent quantity of Nothingness into a bamboo practice-sword and take hold of it. In a fight like this, there's no need for your usual armor and weapons; and besides, you did promise your sister to fight without a sharp blade. Oddly enough, a tiger-themed decorative strap that you hadn't imagined dangles from the handle of the shinai. Perhaps the element has some character of its own, though, or draws decorative elements from your subconscious mind; you hadn't planned out the red borders on your last elemental manifestation either. "Want one?" You hold out your weapon, offering it to Kōrakuhime, but she silently shakes her head. You hadn't expected her to pick up a sword, of course, but it wouldn't have been appropriate not to make the offer. "Alright then," you continue, keeping your stance relaxed and your tone casual. "Let's test your reactions, to begin." With no more warning you charge forward, kicking off the ground with your left foot and bringing your weapon down in a direct vertical strike from above your right shoulder. It's the most clearly telegraphed attack you can begin with, short of actually leaping up into the air for a downward strike."Kyaa!" With a terrified squeak, Kōrakuhime crosses both arms over her face to protect it, completely obscuring her own vision in the process. You stop just short of slamming the weapon into her wrists when you see the fear on her face and in her posture. This isn't just reluctance or laziness, you realize. Kōrakuhime is just utterly unsuited for melee combat."Alright," you say tiredly, prompting Kōrakuhime to peek out from behind her hands. You've returned to a neutral posture. "I can't try to make you learn to fight in close quarters if you have neither motivation nor talent, I suppose.""That is... what I have been attempting to tell you," Kōrakuhime says, with sullen indignation. "I cannot... join the knight classes in their... mode of battle. If I am to... contribute to the Holy Grail War, it must be by... my own methods.""Very well then," you say, backing off again to give her space. "We'll see how you fight by your methods. Try attacking me."
The first thing Kōrakuhime does in response to this is sigh, tempting you to charge back in and smack her with the practice-sword. It couldn't be that harmful, could it? But no, you hold back and wait. She'll have to try eventually. Sure enough, the girl finally works up the motivation to draw one of her rectangular talismans from her sleeve. For a moment you expect her to throw it at you, but instead the thing bursts into flames in her hand. At that moment she sweeps her arm to the side as if to toss the flames, and the paper's small fire blossoms into a massive gout of flame that fills your vision, rolling towards you. Fortunately for you, the fire is still the product of magic. A slash from your shinai brings your magic resistance to bear, cleaving Kōrakuhime's attack into two pieces that pass on either side of you; your suit isn't even singed. As the flames clear, however, you observe that Kōrakuhime hadn't banked on a single attack finishing you. The fire was a distraction, hiding the creation of the three hulking familiars that now charge you: a trio of grotesque oni, looking like red-skinned 8-foot-tall bodybuilders with protruding fangs and a single horn on each of their heads. They're armed with spiked clubs and wearing nothing but a tiger-skin loincloth apiece. These, too, are dealt with easily enough. They're certainly superhuman, but compared to a Servant the creatures are still pitifully slow and weak. In the space of a single breath, you pierce the center oni's chest with the shinai, wrench it to the right to decapitate the second, rotate left and bounce off your right foot to reverse momentum, and chop straight down through the third. You're not sure the creatures even reacted to the attacks before they were defeated and fading away, leaving tiny paper dolls bearing their scars. "Is that all you have," you say, turning back to face Kōrakuhime. "If so, you're not much better use in a fight than those flowers you wear. We discussed pet names last night; Tsubaki seems a fine one for you." Then you stumble; your right foot suddenly isn't bearing your weight properly. You try to recover your balance, but end up sinking to one knee. At the other end of the room, Kōrakuhime smiles. It's the same expression you've come to recognize: the smug look that says you've acted just as she expected you to. "I see... it's beginning to take effect," she says distantly. Your arms are weakening now too; moments later, the shinai slips from your hand. You can barely hold yourself up, in fact. "Your magic resistance is so... troublesome. I wasn't certain how long it would take.""What is this," you growl, "the same ability you used to put Miss Ayaka to sleep?"
"Oh no, that was but a simple bit of compulsory unconsciousness... the same that I used to hunt," Kōrakuhime answers, sounding slightly happy for the first time since you suggested sparring. "Both use a bounded field to designate their targets, but this is... far more potent. I have used a... powerful curse of weakness to bring you down, Ani-ue; one that can only effect those... within a certain bounded field, which I placed over the room when I entered. Now... I can do with you whatever I like." As she utters these words, the final dregs of power in your limbs vanish and you slump to the ground, limp. Only then does she approach you, looking down into your eyes like a predator about to feed. She pulls off one of her gloves, revealing a hand quite unlike those you saw as she slept. The polished nails are extended into long, knife-like talons."Well done," you say, so weak you can only manage a hiss. "Waiting until we sparred was clever. But why kill me, Kōrakuhime? Why couldn't we have worked together? At least have the decency to explain this betrayal.""...betrayal?" A look of shock passes over her features, and she snaps her fingers. Suddenly the power flows back into your limbs, all at once. You leap to your feet to face an affronted Kōrakuhime. "I was merely... sparring, as you did," she protests. "My curse was as non-lethal as... that 'training sword' of yours."Now that she mentions it, she does have a point. "And what about those claws," you ask, mounting a purely symbolic defense."A bit of... fun," your sister answers. "After the way you called me... useless, I wanted to... scare you a bit.""A bit of fun, eh?" She's intentionally provoking you, but you manage to keep a straight face. "At any rate, I see your point about indirect methods of attack, now," you continue. "That curse could've been deadly; but remember, if this had been real combat you would have been killed by my initial strike. Do you have any other techniques to show me?"Kōrakuhime shakes her head. "There are... any number of curses available to me, but... there is no purpose in consuming magical energy in demonstrations, while I do not have a... reliable source. It is enough... for you to understand that my most potent magic... relies upon bounded fields.">[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)>[ ] "Fine. You should go and introduce yourself to Miss Ayaka. I have other business that must be dealt with." (Pride) >[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3670223>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)>Extra Rider actually workedThank you, Drake.And look! She's not actually useless!
>>3670223>[ ] Say something else (Write in)Let's summon something with HGS.
>>3670228>Posting worst girl was good for somethingI shouldn't have come back.
>>3670197Praise be!>>3670198Depends on the conceptual nature of his invincibility- if it's compatible with Alberich, I'd love to have it. Otherwise, gib stats.This does lead to an interesting question- Sweets, you noted during the Kōrakuhime stats discussion that while the style of magecraft of casters is a skill, the training of more mundane servants is not. Would it be possible, as anon implies here, to take another Servant's combat ability in a mechanical sense? Or would that just be a roundabout way of describing an increase to Mind's Eye (True)? I know that we could have Roland's defensive fighting prowess, but what about for things that are not explicitly skills?>>3670223>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)>Instantly assuming she's betraying usLel, we raised Alberich right. But damn, we need to up that resistance....
>>3670235You're limited to skills, base stats, or Noble Phantasms. In Berserker's case, though, the Bravery skill increases damage when unarmed, so it would be possible to copy his unarmed combat ability in a manner of speaking.
>>3670235We should upgrade conceptual biology, it's got a lot of potential benefits, including magic resistance.>>3670232Worst Girl she may be, but at least she knows how to die first.
>>3670223Glad to have you back.>>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)Also,>CursesHave her help Ayaka with Shijou family magic since it is also relies heavily on curses.
>we summoned the Tora-ShinaiHahahaha....And now we know just how easily a Caster can incap us....Really gonna need that Magic Resistance: EX.Though seeing her actual skill should really alleviate concerns that she might lose to Harris.
>>3670223>[ ] "Fine. You should go and introduce yourself to Miss Ayaka. I have other business that must be dealt with." (Pride) If you guys really choose social options instead of checking out our second miracle all day I'm gonna be salty
>>3670321>social options>not wanting to be present for the first meeting of your master and your sister, when it's absolutely imperative that they get along.There's a chance that the conversation could go very poorly without us directing the flow. Also I want her with us when we summon something, just to show off.
>>3670223>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)
I wonder if Tsubaki's bounded fields would be detectable by magi or servants. I'm not sure how we didn't notice it unless it was just absolutely god-tier.
>>3670313>a CasterBe careful about generalizations. Casters have various different types of magic, after all; Kōrakuhime's onmyou is totally different from European magic or the ancient methods practiced by Medea and Circe.>>3670450That's a fun bit that I thought about having her explain, but ended up trimming. The reason why you couldn't detect the bounded field is that she entered the room following you; you were already inside the field when she created it.
>>3670457I think the generalization that "Casters are bullshit." is an accepted one.
>>3670490It's a good thing we have no Caster to fight! Thanks Judas!
>>3670528Until Tsubaki betrays us for real
>>3670542Are you so sure she will be the betrayer?
>>3670528Just two allies that we know will be able to bypass our Magic Resistance. (Medea captured Saber despite her A rank resistance, Circe is at least as good as Medea.)So absolutely nothing to worry about!Absolutely nothing.Nothing.>>3670542But why would she?Not like she gets anything out of it unless she wants the wish for herself, and considering she should only want incarnation, which we're trying to get everyone, would be dumb.Unless she has some other dumb wish.Her sleeptalk revealed some of her inner thoughts anyway.Unless she's some ultimate deceiver, we should be fine.
>>3670552But I don't want to eat our friends, Angra.
>>3670223>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)>>3670552It's certainly possible. Affection points are a magical thing.
>>3671080Yeah, we really need to get Alberich and Tsubaki to like each other more."Haha, I was only joking about murdering you." and "I knew you were planning on betraying me" Isn't really a place I'm comfortable with this relationship being at.Hell, even Saber betrays Shirou of her own accord if you fuck up and don't get enough Affection points in the Fate Route.
>>3671126>"Haha, I was only joking about murdering you." and "I knew you were planning on betraying me" Isn't really a place I'm comfortable with this relationship being at.Hey, at least they're on the same wavelength.
>>3671279That's the benefit of sharing an alignment, I suppose.God damn it, between Circe and her "you're overreacting, it's just a hand." and Kourakuhime with this little prank, I feel like Alberich is going to never not be on guard near any magi. Alberich has had a hard life.
>>3670223>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)>>3670198Let's copy Dromeus Kometes if it's confirmed to be Achilles. If we can copy an NP imperfectly from our memory of it we should be able to copy one perfectly from his memory of it.
>>3671538If copying one of the most bullshit NPs ever is possible, yes. We should do that.pic entirely unrelated.
>>3671670Pic is ALWAYS related>>3671380>Alberich has had a hard life.>implyingHe's lived a life with more success, glorious triumph, and qt3.15 waifus than 99.99% of humanity in a mere two weeks. I daresay he's had an excellent life so far, barring the occasional death and loss of an arm. >>3671279Truly, some traits supercede even blood in a family.
>>3671685Just because the quality of his life is high doesn't mean it isn't difficult.Especially now he's a Servant.Saber actually made him taste true defeat for the first time.
>>3671705And here's a picture of Circe and her niece.It's a shame we'll probably never get to see Medea, she deserves to be bullied. I mean, getting outsmarted by a modern magi in two different routes?That's a poor display.
>>3670197>meiji/taisho styleWould she change her hairstyle?
>>3671894I don't think there's any need to, no. Her current style (pictured) is basically a super-long version of several of those you've got there.Speaking of alternate costumes for her, Heian style would be fantastic.
>>3671945Definitely. Would still like to see her in laced up boots, and other mix of east/western fashion.
Since we're on the subject, I'll post another couple of images I was considering for your sister's design, before I'd settled on the perfect look.
That first one I decided was too western. She didn't end up using a fork and knife, either.This one was another take; I was thinking about re-using the dropped powerset for a music-themed Caster that Orpheus would've used if you'd summoned him. Ended up deciding she didn't have the right feel for someone born from Ogawara's memories, though.
I wonder if when we meet her again we could get Circe to make a (single use?/recharging?) magic item that only activates when we've been cursed or hit by a spell that renders us immobile which nullifies said spell.We keep getting hit by magical effects we should really not be, and eventually it's going to be against somebody who actually means to do us harm.Honestly, we could really take advantage of her Tool Creation: A+ now as we can go fight alone. TOO BAD SHE'S NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.Alternatively, we level up Conceptual Biology and get Magic Resistance: A.Magic Resistance: EX when we make Circe into a Goddess of Magic again and get her blessing.We should also buy a gun.I mean, we could just create throwing daggers to throw and throw them with more force and speed than a gun, probably.But where's the fun in that?I want to see the utter confusion on Saber's face when the enemy Saber pulls out a submachine gun.Followed by screching about chivalry and knights.(pls disregard Lancelot using a fucking autocannon, it doesn't count when it's one of her knights.)
The more I read about FGOs lore the more angry I get.Not only does the fuyuki grail war start like 200 years late (for NO reason), but apparently God tells Solomon to send his ring to the future so he can be summoned which in turn allows Chaldea to be created which in turn causes apocalypses every week.Not to mention letting Goetia jack Solomons body.Also they only gave David A rank luck.Of every fucking heroic spirit, you'd expect the asshole who's entire legend is getting a critical hit and then lucking his way into being a King and not getting murdered would get A++ or EX luck.He's got so much divine favour he's literally summoned with the Ark of the fucking Covenant. There's no reason for David to be such a shit tier Servant.
>>3672512>can steal or disable enemy NPs after knocking them out with hamesh avanim>gets the ark of the covenant>shit tierAnon, he's not bad at all. Mediocre, maybe, but not shit at all.
>>3672538He's shit tier for who he is.
Kind of want Berserker's healing just for the ability to do this in a fight with no drawbacks.>Cut Berserker's arm off and cut them in half and they don't fucking die>Berserker's master is voiced by the same VA as Diocoincidence?
>>3672571Unfortunately his healing is part of Andreias Amarantos. We'll just have to kill Enkidu and steal Consummated Shape from him for our healing needs.
>>3672574Actually, let me just get a list of skills that help with recovery.>Consummated Shape: allows Enkidu to recover from any bodily injury because he's made of divine clay.>Healing Magecraft: Irisviel can use it.>Honor of the Battered: allows Spartacus to gain magical energy by being injured, heals injuries automatically after some time and makes healing more effective; also makes him less effective at full health.>Human Anatomy Understanding: improves any action Nightingale takes to heal others and reduces incoming damage.>Protection of the Beach Houses: Artoria (Summer) can spend magical energy to heal.>Resolute Devotion: makes Irisviel even better at healing.>Taijitu: Ryougi (Saber) can convert magical energy into health while Ryougi (Assassin) can convert health into magical energy.>Saint: Jeanne has regen, among other powers.Irisviel, Ryougi and Artoria (Summer) are out. Trying to take Saint from Jeanne would probably upset Big J, so that leaves us with Enkidu and Spartacus.
>>3672584Those are just skills thoughThere are a few healing NPs.Like Pain Breaker, for example.But honestly I don't know if Alberich would have it in him to kill Medea Lily should he ever meet her.Obviously God Hand would be the ultimate NP for us to steal because it basically makes you unbeatable against any other servant 1v1 except a few specific exceptions (Gil, EMIYA on a great day, full power Seibah)(Honestly fuck the fifth war)Combining Godhand and Armour of Fafnir would make you almost entirely invulnerable to pretty much everything except a direct Enuma Elish to the face.There's also Avalon, which for obvious reasons we can't use.I mean, maybe if we do actually become the fairy king or some shit we could maybe get the authority to use it or whatever. But it's current whereabouts are unknown.Now a real neat NP is Resurrection Fraught HadesThe incomplete version can resurrect the recently dead as long as the corpse isn't in too bad a shape, but the complete version which requires both the blood of the Gorgon and the power of a God seems to not have any restrictions.
>>3672615>There's also Avalon, which for obvious reasons we can't use.>I mean, maybe if we do actually become the fairy king or some shit we could maybe get the authority to use it or whatever. But it's current whereabouts are unknown.This isn't a problem if the fairies can just make another.>Now a real neat NP is Resurrection Fraught Hades>The incomplete version can resurrect the recently dead as long as the corpse isn't in too bad a shape, but the complete version which requires both the blood of the Gorgon and the power of a God seems to not have any restrictions.The real problem is getting in the good books of a goddess on the level of Artemis.
>>3672634I mean, bringing back the Age of Gods would automatically put you on the top of every God or Goddesses "Pretty cool guy" list.There's also Circe, who we are planning on deifying, aren't we?She should become a fairly powerful Goddess.Getting Avalon 2 made would be fucking hysterical, honestly.
>>3672644>She should become a fairly powerful Goddess.By all accounts she was a minor goddess, powerful in her own right but not in the same class as the Olympians. If Asclepius says he needs Artemis at the minimum, I'd be inclined to trust him.Not that Artemis would be unwilling to lend us her power, although Zeus would shoot us down again most likely.>Getting Avalon 2 made would be fucking hysterical, honestly.Another reason Alberich is the real Arthur: he has Avalon and she doesn't.
>>3672683>he has Avalon and she doesn'tAt that point Alberich will just exist solely to piss off Arturia.As for Circe, I suppose it depends on if the worship of a deity has any affect on their power, because if so she'll quickly become immensely powerful after we build her a temple in every city we conquer.
>>3672683From what I remember of the mythology of the Olympic pantheon, I think either Athena or Ares would be willing patrons of Alberich. Of course, the former is infinitely preferable to the latter, but beggars cannot be choosers. Both Artemis and Alberich have an inclination towards defending young girls- there is an off-chance that she too would be a willing patron.. It's really kind of funny, as I can't find any more Roman divinities who would favor Alberich. I suppose Circe really did help him become him into a more Greek hero than anything.Beyond the Hellenes, I can't say I have too much of a familiarity with any pagan belief systems. Do any of you anons know of any Norse, Celtic, Germanic, or even near/far Eastern dieties who might favor our hero? I've only played Fate/Stay and Hollow Ataraxia, so I really don't know a whole lot about how divine spirits are used in the wider nasuverse.
>>3672791>far eastern dietiesWell, Amaterasu would be great, as she's the most powerful deity seen in series, literally being the sun.Unfortunately it's not realistically possible to get her attention.Other pantheons... the Mesopotamian Gods are some of the most powerful around, but Ishtar is a bitch.We don't really know what Gods would favour Alberich beyond him bringing the Age of Gods back (where they can actually return to their full power). He has however spoken to an avatar of a multitude of divinities that seemed to like him somewhat.He hasn't really done much to piss any Gods off.
>>3672791Perun, Mahakala or Kalki?Kalki is especially good because his myth tied to ending of Kali Yuga. Which kind of works with restarting Age of Gods for us.
Blonde edit y/n?
>>3672791>NorseNobody in particular I can think of, although Loki is always willing to use us as a pawn in one of his practical jokes. Hel in particular wouldn't like it if we tried to transgress the natural order by resurrecting people.Ditto for Germanic because it's the same as Norse.>CelticThe Dagda was known for his magic club, one end of which could kill nine men and the other end of which could resurrect them, although I'm not certain he'd help us.
>>3672815>KalkiTechnically he doesn't exist yet. He's only supposed to show up at the end of the Kali Yuga, which is delayed while the Age of Man is in progress.
>>3672816Looks too old.
>>3672812>AmaterasuLet's never talk to her. She's the worst and probably a futa.>>3672831Still too old. You need to go full loli
>>3672812>>3672839>AmaterasuIt is super Tamamo.
You know who'd be a pretty cool guy to meet? Chronos.
>>3672852Yep.She's strong enough to fight against the thing that slapped the Earth Gods and win if she wanted to.She doesn't give a fuck about time either.
>>3672854>All mythologies are real, but OUR gods are the BEST!I feel like this is why Nasu mostly kept Japanese heroes out of F/SN.
>>3672856*Sasaki Kojiro greatest swordsman in existence so good he breaksr eality*Yep.I mean, the given reason is that she's a Sun God and is thus on a different level than a planetary God.Which is OK I suppose. But there's a Sun God in most pantheons so it's still dumb.Extra is dumb, what can I say?
>>3672816>What if Hitler was busty Azusa?REJECTED!>>3672831Better, although not perfect. Adelheid's skirt is black and pleated, for one thing.>>3672858I feel like the Kojirou-wank was somewhat mitigated by having him be fictional. It's basically saying "this is what we wish our actual heroic spirits were like".>there's a Sun God in most pantheonsWorking with the unified polytheism concept, maybe that sun god is all sun gods. Amaterasu is Helios et cetera, and merely chose to appear in its Japanese form because it was communicating with Hakuno, a Japanese character.
>>3672869>Amaterasu is just one aspect of one deity with DIDWhat would its other personae be like?
>>3672869Kojirou really does make sense, as he's essentially just a mishmash of swordsman myths and realities. >Working with the unified polytheism concept, maybe that sun god is all sun gods. Amaterasu is Helios et cetera, and merely chose to appear in its Japanese form because it was communicating with Hakuno, a Japanese character.Man, I can't wait to meet some actual gods. I wonder what Alberich will see...
>>3672881Imagine meeting one of the primordials, like Nox/Nyx.
Would Alberich get along with Cu?I mean, I can just see Gae Bolg getting cut in half during a failed parry should they actually fight.But I mean outside of trying to murder each other.I do wonder if we could find the realm of shadows in INS. We could go and get bullied by Scathatch. >>3672881There's also Musashi, who's from a purged timeline or some shit, she's even more overpowered than Kojiro. Also a girl. Why not?
Then again, Nyx would probably be above even Ammy, so let's not.
>>3672902Cu's too straightforward and "good" of a guy to get along with Alberich desu. He'd probably sniff him out as disingenuous just as fast as Arturia did. He'd be REALLY fun to fight though, at least until Gae Bolg is brought to bear. Does a rift of the imaginary realm count as a projectile?
>>3672902This makes me wonder how Alberich would do in F/SN if he replaced Artoria somehow.
>>3672911I don't think sword beams and the like count as projectiles.I can't imagine an Excaliblast swerving for him.Also, considering it's a rift to another world it would probably ignore it anyway, it's not like Cu reflects air.Also Cu is kind of an asshole, he can get along with Archimedes, after all. He's also a rapist. He also murdered his best friend.He also murdered his own son.No regrets.
>>3672921>Alberich in F/SNSo this is how you unlock famous Illyasviel and Medea routes. I see now.
>>3672875Well, most sun gods fall into one of two archetypes, I find. You have your Ra/king of the gods archetype, where the sun god is the chief deity (or in the case of the Aztec pantheon, becoming the chief deity gave you the status of sun god). So, assuming our proto-Amaterasu sun god isn't any of the Aztec deities (who are aliens according to FGO) we have one persona that wears various outfits, our "ruler of heaven" sun god. The second archetype is the Helios/Sol archetype, where the sun god is a relatively minor character who traverses the sky and doesn't do much else, leaving the major mythmaking to people who aren't busy making the day/night cycle happen. I'm thinking this is the character this god takes on for pantheons it wasn't very interested in intervening in, for whatever reason.
>>3672921As of right now?He'd get fucking destroyed.Actually Shirou wouldn't even live long enough to summon himEven if he did, he likely loses against Cu due to Shirou nerfing him.In the fifth war to have a chance, he'd need to be an Extra Saber with a decent Master. Illya would be confused.
>>3672921>Alberich with utter trash physical stats>Having to put up with Shirou's autismHeiligöffnungschwert gets us a major leg up, and lets him contend with even the better servants of F/SN. Thank Christ the "cuts everything" is a passive trait now. Archer hard counters him, so Shirou is going to have to fucking carry there. I'd say he has a chance/10 versus Berserker, but really is fucked. Alberich could ruin Lancer, Rider, and the fake Assassin pretty easily desu. Caster could fuck him up, but is kind of an idiot so he has a solid chance against her and Kuzuki.>>3672934>Medea route>Ruining best pair of Souichirou and Medea>Going for worst girlNo. Now, the Ilya route..........
>>3672939He could very easily recognise Medea's staff and Divine Words and ask her if she knows Circe, though.Possibly get her to agree to an alliance, depending on how much respect Medea has for her aunt and teacher.He might try to protect Illya depending on the circumstances. Might attempt to fight Gil at the Einzbern Castle if UBW.Might even win with Berserker's help.With his link to the Imaginary Number Realm and Element, he might actually be able to harm the Shadow.EMIYA is a hard counter but Cu is a hard counter to EMIYA.But honestly, he's pretty much fucked unless he's an Extra servant.
We would probably get along relatively well with Nyx, despite her being too old in every aspect, now that I think about it.
>>3672957>But honestly, he's pretty much fucked unless he's an Extra servant.Literally fucked, as I imagine Heiligöffnungschwert eats up energy when activated like there's no tomorrow.
>>3672971I wonder who would be a decent Master...>inb4 Luvia
>>3672976>Fate/Stay, but Alberich replaces Cu on the Kirei squadI really want this all of the sudden. Imagine the FUN!
>>3672976>any Edelfelt>a good Master for Alberich
>>3672981We would have to get a spear for that to happen.
>>3672981>Bazzet summons Alberich >"I don't care how much you trust this priest, I don't like his voice. It reminds me of a traitor I knew."And then Bazzet can pretty much sweep by not getting murdered and having a good servant.
>>3672984Imagine how angry Rin would be though.
>>3672976>>3672984>>3672994I don`t think even Alberich`s Aesthetics Tier List can handle Luvia.
>>3672994>Imagine--"No". We would go straight into bullying her into submission or offing ourself.
>>3672990Or with some reshuffling it could work.Hmm...>Bazett summons Alberich because [insert outside influence] replaced Cu with him>Alberich intercepts Kirei with imaginary ribbons and cuts him down>cue adventures of Bazett and Alberich
>>3672990Hey, he could've become Lancer.
>>3673003But what if she gets instantly possessed by Astraea?
>>3673018>AstraeaKill it with fire.
>>3673003But would we?Alberich isn't actually stupid. >>3673005Kirei gets fucking destroyed because there's no way Alberich would trust him alone with his Master.Not with that voice.
>>3673025This. The only one getting possessed is Rin by Ishtar
>>3673028>Alberich isn't actually stupid.We either bully her or kill ourself. Alberich is not a patient man in the face of constant grandstanding.
>>3673032>>3673003>Anon fails to remember our whole relationship with Truvietianne
>>3673036Fate bullied Truvi for us, so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>3673046Sick gains, Luvi.
>>3673053Meme edits aside, the art is just so inconceivably shit. Worse than Cleopatra, even. When does /ourguy/ Shinji get to be a Pseudo-Servant?
>>3673071I'm looking at this and thinking "how do you fuck up a face so badly?">shinjiFor Loki.
>>3673053So on a scale of one to ten, with one being Shinji and ten being Heracles, how much GAINZ does Alberich have? I don't mean what the abstract strength stat is representing, but actual (technically conceptual) muscle. Whatever it is, it's not enough.
>>3670232Oh come on if you were actually contracted to Shinji you would want to lose your first match would you not?
>>3673086ayaka was mirin when we took off our armor so 7?
>>3673090Even the worst of lanklets can have impressive definition. I need to know!
>>3673071>Rips off Mucha>Hey, you know what I could do for some original flair? Add muscles!Fucking why?>Worse than Cleopatra, even.I didn't think her design was that bad, honestly. The visual composition on her Servant card isn't great, but her cutscene sprite looks quite good. Overall character design is great, too; she looks excellent on the CEs that feature her. Cleopatra definitely didn't get the kind of shafting Luvia and Parvati did.>>36730866 or 7? Your physique was remodeled to emulate classical statuary; think Polykleitos' Canon or Michelangelo's David (not classical, I know, but more detailed).>>3673087Shinji's fine. I'd definitely want to lose my first match if I were contracted to Anne Bonny cosplaying as Francis Drake, though.
>>3673095>6'2">lankletSpotted the manlet.How's life from down there?>>3673098Honestly, I just dislike Danganronpa.Extra Shinji is actually an OK person. The only possible excuse for Drake is if they say it's a LARPing Queen Elizabeth I, which they haven't. It would make the character less abysmal though.
Let's go back to talking about a current Alberich theoretically appearing in the Fifth War.For the sake of argument, assume he is summoned as an additional servant that doesn't need a Master for whatever reason and can replenish his energy by staying within Fuyuki. What does he do?
>>3673223>For the sake of argument, assume he is summoned as an additional servant that doesn't need a Master for whatever reason and can replenish his energy by staying within Fuyuki. Ludicrous. I guess just go around killing the servants in town? I assume he'd want to win the grail war, whatever strange world he's in.
Rolled 2 (1d3)>>36732451 is Fate2 is UBW3 is HF>>3673232>just go around killing the servants when Berserker, Gil and EMIYA will wreck us
>>3673292Don't know that IC>UBWO shit, caster memes are afoot
>>3673302Could Alberich put 2+2 together and figure out who Medea is?
>>3673305I mean>Pointy elf ears (if he sees under her hood)>Similar staff design>clearly using divine wordsHow spooked would Medea be if her identity was guessed nearly immediately?
>>3673318I think she'd be more spooked by the fact that we deduced that using her aunt's looks than anything else.
>>3673442>clearly medieval looking knight>"Oh wow! You look quite similar to Circe! Are you perhaps her neice, Medea?">who the fuck?
>>3673046>>3673071>it's yet another abomination of a Psuedo-ServantI think we've discovered the nature of the Edelfelt's family emergency.
Remember how we were talking about there being a single Sun God with multiple aspects acting in different pantheons?Do you know who's a daughter of a Sun God?
>>3673736I just want to know where they are keeping all these blatantly superior Master Candidates compared to the main character in order to summon divine spirits into them so they can experience mind death and be meat suits.Is there like a storage closet?
So, any plans on dealing with pic-related when she shows up in Arc 3? You can't fool me, Sweets.
Speaking of mythology, how the hell do people determine that a god had died?
>>3674052It's quite simple, really.
Since we can't seem to come up with a list of gods we can buddy up with, what are some gods we must avoid as much as possible? I'll start:>Most of the Greek Pantheon
>>3674129Ishtar.On the flipside, Erishkigal is pretty cool.
>>3674129>gods we must avoid as much as possible? All of them desu. I don't want our boy to get smited for his hubris.
>>3674165We can't really avoid any of the primordial gods if they wish to involve themselves, so we can just keep them off the list.>>3674175Yeah, playing a balancing act with beings as whimsical as gods seems like a bad idea.
>>3674175>all of themWe've already been spoken to by a large number of them.Honestly, they've been far better at being parents than Judas. Judas puts his kids into a death match for no real reason.The gods give best son an overpowered sword.Also Circe was a Goddess so they can't all be bad.
>>3674165>ErishkigalI wonder if the seven judges would convict us of anything, if we went down to her realm out of curiosity?
I just thought of something for an omake. What if the seven judges charged us with everything we did in Akeldama --and trespassing on top of that-- just so Ereshkigal wouldn't be so lonely?
>>3674201>>3674225>"An interesting case for my guilt, you have prepared. However! Here's my rebuttal!">activates Kenotis and jumps through own cloak like some magician trick, completely disappearing. >*Circe loved that*Gotta love Anti-World Noble Phantasms. If she's so lonely then she can possess Rin, she's a compatible vessel.
>>3674239That's one way it could go but these are the people who said "fuck all of you, Ishtar deserves to be punished".
>>3674244I mean, realistically, to the Gods, Alberich is a good boy he didn't do anything wrong. The shit he did in Akeldama was just the occasional over-enthusiastic execution of a sacrifice.Could just say you came to pay your respects to Erishkigal.You can't exactly arrest a guy for trespassing when you gave him the key.
Unfortunately I don't have an update for you at the moment, but I'm writing to let you folks know that my work emergency has passed and I should be back on my normal schedule at this point.
>>3674450So update tonight?
>>3674450Thanks for keeping us updated famo
Ok so, disregarding the potential danger of interacting with themWhich God is the most potentially beneficial to get to like us?
>>3674609Well, that's just cheating.
>>3674606It would be nice if we could get on Nyx's good side, her being somebody that canonically makes even Zeus shit his pants, but she probably isn't an earthbound Goddess so that's unlikely.
>>3674606He's not a god, but we should make friends with Oberon. Since we're named after his originhim we might have some common ground, and fairy-made artifacts are pretty fucking busted.
>>3676077Not a bad idea, if we can somehow reach her.She's likely one of the "I don't care about the time axis" Gods if she's as powerful as you claim. >>3676092Excellent idea, fairy-made shit is always super bullshit.Avalon, Excalibur, teaching people the Unified Language.
>>3674606Everyone in the house of hades
>>3676110But why Hades when there's a stronger and older goddess of death that just wants somebody not to hate them?
>>3676116I thought her portrayal was somebody who didn't want to be treated differently for what she is.
>>3676120It depends how Alberich goes about things.Mostly I think she just doesn't want somebody to be terrified of her by default.
>>3676116ACKSHUALLY Hades isn't the god of death, he's the ruler of the underworld. If you want to talk to Greek death you want Thanatos... who is beyond the scope of the Earth because he's a Primordial older than Gaia.
>>3676127I though only Chronos really predated Gaia.
>>3676132Every Primordial except Ouranos predated Gaia. Thanatos in particular was the son of Nyx and Erebos according to Hesiod and Homer, which makes him a third-generation Primordial. Chronos was Gaia's son.
Nevermind, he is neither Hesiodic nor Homeric.
How would Nyx look if we ran into her. Would she be THE archetypal MILF character?
Another question: How would she act if we actually managed to garner her attention and what would be Alberich's disposition towards her?
>>3676194We don't really know how such a god would act, they are kind of on an inconceivably different level, being superior to Gaia, after all.Alberich's disposition would be "too old"I mean, unless she decided to appear young for whatever reason.
>>3676203>Nyx, in her unlimited wisdom(and awareness of our preferences), chooses to take a form both feared and revered by god and man alike: the lolibaba
Anyway, we should think of ways to use Tsubaki in a fight, her ability to rapidly set up a bounded field to hit people with powerful weakness curses is an excellent boon. If we were to have her use it in a fight while protecting her, it's basically a guarantee to be able to defeat B rank magic resistance servants at least.Just so long as they aren't aware of the threat she poses.Even so, protecting her is no different from protecting Ayaka, really.Masters can also be dealt with by her just sending them to sleep, probably.>>3676208Circe, please help, the primordial goddess is making advances on me and my imaginary number sword and cloak won't let me escape.
>>3676211The best thing I think would be for her to prepare a boundary field for Alberich to b8 other servants into. Draw berserker into some field that can restrict his energy supply or inflict some other curse on him. In direct combat she's more of a liability than anything.
>>3676240Other servants would realise they are entering a bounded field upon wellentering it.The reason she got us is because she set the field up around us when she walked into the room.Then she was just stalling.
>>3676247You forget that Berserker's insane. Kōrakuhime's most potent magic involves bounded fields- the key is to get people into them. It's not like other servants will assume the field is the work of the albino Saber.
>>3676253And you forget that Berserker can instantly kill us without having his parameters ranked down by Cybele.
>>3676260Precisely my point. We need some magic bullshit to even get close to an edge, and Kōrakuhime can help in that respect. Even with Cybele being used we were still fucked in the long run.
>>3676267Right. Well, if Kōrakuhime's bounded fields can rank down Berserker's parameters (or kill Lumenza) then our second battle against Berserker shouldn't be so hopeless.The problem is that Lumenza will recognise the bounded fields.Berserker did seem to need to dodge that instant kill heart+brain slash we were planning on doing too.Honestly that was a pretty good plan, if only our allies weren't so fucking shit.
>>3676271>Contact einzbern>"Hey, you want to kill a homeric super berserker?">We and the Emiyas try to draw berserker into a Kōrakuhime boundary field>Meanwhile, Lily sics Assassin on LumenzaI think the combined efforts of four servants should be sufficient to kill the Achilles
>>3676321>Emiyas and Einzbern working togetherLol.>Emiyas working with servant that is burning down housesLol.Might as well invite Harris and Saber.
>>3676240>>3676253>>3676267The problem is that Kourakuhime's Divinity is only E+ (the + likely comes from Demonic Nature of Oni), so the curse will be diminished by Andreias Amarantos to half it's normal strength, which might prompt Lumenza to enter the fray by buffing Berserker in any way he can -- and that would be very bad for us. Not to mention the possibility that he could trace the curse back to Kourakuhime and order Berserker to RIP her a new one.
>>3676326Key point- we don't tell the Einzbern or the Emiya about the overall plan. Kōrakuhime, naturally, will have all the details. >>3676329Fair. I don't know man, I just am trying to figure out a way to beat a super berserker without having Gilgamesh or the shadow around to do it for us.
>>3676329This is why we try to get a Pegasus for her to sit on with Ayaka while we're fighting, so she can do her magic stuff out of reach on something that should be able to evade most attacks. Pegasus is easily one of the best candidates for summoning.We don't need the charge attack.
>>3676343>>3676344We could kill Berserker with just Shirou, Rin and Medusa to help us. Asking the Einzberns for help would reveal that we're on speaking terms with them and also upset the Emiyas, and there's no chance that they would work together anyway; asking Kourakuhime to come would reveal that there's another extra Servant with unknown abilities allied with us; having her and Ayaka stay away on a Pegasus would reveal our ability to summon a mount outside the Rider class. The only solution that doesn't reveal a secret ability or resource to anyone observing is to have Ayaka stay away and leave Kourakuhime to guard our home.
>>3676367Sure but I still want to summon a Pegasus.
>>3676367>We could kill Berserker with just Shirou, Rin and Medusa to help us. Really? Because that doesn't seem true at all right now. Maybe if we manage to kill and CONSUME Lancer and Arched before fighting him again.
>>3676369Don't worry, anon, we can do it for our aerial duel with Medusa. either that or summon a dragon because pegasi are low test and they don't fight unless you use a mind control bridle
>>3676379>that doesn't seem true at all right nowThat's because they pussied out. If we went in with a plan we could kill him.We already have all the elements: Alberich can seriously injure Berserker, Medusa can weaken and restrain him so he doesn't regenerate from the damage, Shirou and Rin can harass Lumenza so he can't intervene, snipe at Ayaka or direct Berserker as effectively.
>>3676380From the way the Gods put it, it would seem as anything we summon is sustained.Our Riding score is abysmal so we'd need to convince whatever we summon to carry us.You also need a special skill to ride dragons regardless. A mounted duel with Rider will go poorly for us because she can actually ride shit.The sooner we start trying to befriend a friendly winged horse, the better.
>>3676388>Our Riding score is abysmal so we'd need to convince whatever we summon to carry us.>You also need a special skill to ride dragons regardless.Both go together. If we convinced a dragon to let us ride it we might get a dragon-riding skill. and every dragon-riding character so far is an exception so I don't know why they didn't just say "you need Riding A++ or better to ride dragons"And remember that Pegasi are merely a Monstrous species, and Medusa's is special by virtue of being a thousand years old. There are honestly better mounts out there than a Pegasus, like a Divine Bull or a god's vehicle if we manage to somehow borrow one.
>>3676407...Actually, is there any point in talking about a signature mount before we've even summoned anything?
>>3676407Do you think there won't be any Pegasi that are that old in INS? Don't be silly.As for Dragons, even Riding: EX wouldn't let you ride them, you need a personal skill to do so. That's why I didn't say you need Riding A++ lmao.A powerful Pegasus is perfect for our needs, regardless.
>>3676421Oh, you were talking about Type-Moon for the Riding A++ thing.Honestly god knows what they are thinking half the time.Dragons are speshul.
>>3676421>>3676423As for summoning a Dragon to ride. That carries the same problems that summoning one to slay does. So much could go wrong.Divine bulls would clash with our aesthetic and a God's vehicle is unrealistic to try to summon.A Pegasus would look the most suitable.
>>3676434>A Pegasus would look the most suitable.Not to worry, everything looks the same after it's been excaliblasted into warm ashes.
>>3676453Unless you just evade the Excaliblast instead of charging into it.
>>3676461Speaking of Excaliblasts, I genuinely cannot wait for our rematch (and hopefully capture) with Saber.How will she react to our sword, do you think?Do you think we could play it off as us merely hiding our swords true appearance/power? I'm not sure if blocking an Excaliblast with Kenotis won't kill us, though.
Do you think onmyōdō should be capitalized?
>>3677651As far as I can tell, no.
Though speaking of onmyōdō...>somebody summoned a clearly Japanese servant, despite Japanese heroes being against the rulesAdd a few more zeroes to Antaglio's medical bill.
>>3677704Technically nobody summoned Kōrakuhime. And she certainly doesn't get a fame bonus.
>>3677716Sure, but this is from Antaglio's perspective.
"An understandable concern," you say with a shrug. You'll simply have to learn more about her magic once the matter of energy is resolved. "Come with me, then, and let's make our way to the dining room. Miss Ayaka should be finished preparing breakfast by now, and the two of you should be introduced.""As you... say, Ani-ue," Kōrakuhime answers, and falls into step behind you as the two of you make your way out of Vaisset's basement workshop. That magic of hers was a dangerous thing, you muse as you walk. Your magic resistance may guard against offensive magic quite well, but it's still far from perfect if a slow-acting method like that was able to gradually pierce through it. A slow-acting curse... As you pass Vaisset's abandoned worktable, the thought brings to mind another subject: Ayaka's incomplete knowledge of her family's techniques."Tsubaki," you say suddenly, "it seems you use a method of magic in the eastern style, and your skill with curses is obvious. I wonder if you could help Miss Ayaka in improving her mastery of her family's mysteries.""So you... intend to use that name?" The voice from behind you sounds put off, and the clicking of her footsteps on the stairs pauses for a moment."You did say that a pet name should be invented by the one to use it, no? In any case, it rolls off the tongue more easily than Kōrakuhime; and you do seem fond of the flowers. But about helping Miss Ayaka-""It is... your decision, I suppose," Kōrakuhime interjects. "As to your question... I can give her no instruction.""There's no help at all you can give her?" As you exit the stairway to the first floor, you stop in the hall, rounding on Kōrakuhime to ask the question. "This is an important matter in our battles to come. You use a similar method of magic to hers, and if you can aid he in mastering the Shijou family mysteries it could simplify things enormously. What reason could you have for refusing?"Kōrakuhime looks up at you with a tiny frown. "Although you have... grown used to referring to magical techniques as 'mysteries,' it seems you do not... understand the principle behind that name," she declares. "I will not... bore you with the details, but the simple matter of it is that... in all cases, to spread the knowledge of a mystery is to... diminish its power. Were I to... aid your Master in learning her family's... lore, I would of necessity learn it myself, and compromise the lineage of the Shijou. I have no doubt... that this girl would decline any... offer on my part to aid her.""You may think so," you reply, "but it's hardly certain. We'll find out from Miss Ayaka herself; for my part, I'd sooner see her with usable techniques of diminished power than none whatsoever."
"To pursue a futile object is... your prerogative," she says dismissively. You can feel a vein in your forehead throbbing. Kōrakuhime's attitude is really starting to get to you. It may be true that you've curbed your pride somewhat since being bound as a Servant, but this girl's manner really goes too far. Even if you are siblings, and so equal on some level, the way she needles you about the gaps in your magical knowledge is simply infuriating."Indeed," you spit, and turn on your heel before your anger makes you do something foolish, "but you'll have to meet her before we can follow the idea any further." You walk off, not waiting for a response.As you'd expected, Ayaka has breakfast ready when the two of you arrive: fried eggs, toast, and a side salad of lettuce, tomato, and vinaigrette. It only remains to be served. You compose your face as you enter the kitchen, wiping away the anger that had risen to the surface during your conversation with Kōrakuhime. "Good morning, Miss Ayaka," you say, injecting some cheer into your voice. "I didn't greet you when we spoke earlier; my apologies for the lapse.""That's fine, Saber-san. Good morning," she answers, glancing over her shoulder at you. "Will your, um, 'sister' be having breakfast with us? I made enough, but then I thought maybe she only eats, well...""Ani-ue and I... are suited to the same variety of nourishment," Kōrakuhime interjects, stepping around you to get into the kitchen and putting an end to Ayaka's prevarication. "I would be happy to sample some of your cooking.""This," you say, "is my sister, Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime. As a Caster, she specializes in onmyōdō. Kōrakuhime, this is Shijou Ayaka, my Master. I hope the two of you can get along." Doubtful though that may be, you add privately. Ayaka is looking at Kōrakuhime nervously, radiating hostility and unease. Your sister, on the other hand, shows no emotion at all regarding the meeting."It is a... pleasure to make your acquaintance, Shijou-san," she says. "You have... my gratitude, for everything you have done to aid Ani-ue in this Holy Grail War... and for extending to me the use of your home.""Oh, likewise," says Ayaka, who still looks torn between sorrow and fear at Kōrakuhime's intrusion into her life. "I'm glad to meet you. I hope we can work together well, from now on." She gestures towards the dining room, adding, "feel free to sit, you two, it'll just take me a minute to serve this."True to her words, you've hardly had time to sit down before Ayaka follows the two of you into the dining room, carrying three plates of breakfast and a pot of coffee on a silver tray. As she's distributing the food, she asks, "would you two like coffee? How do you take it?""Yes, thank you. Just a bit of cream," you say. Adelheid may have liked hers sweet, but for you it ruins the flavor.
"Please add... plenty of sugar to mine," Kōrakuhime says from beside you, "though I'd rather you leave the... cream out of it." You give her a sidelong glance. Is she being deliberately contrary? Her face remains expressionless, though.The coffee itself is excellent, although not as good as what you make yourself. The rest of the food is neither great nor terrible; the salad is competently made, the toast is fine, and the eggs are acceptable. You'd have preferred them fried in a bit more oil, to develop a crispier edge, but it's a decent meal. "So, how is it that you two are siblings?" Ayaka asks as you eat. "From what we heard from Judas, you weren't really born, and it's not like you grew up together. I mean, you both have memories of other lives, right?" You haven't given the subject much thought beyond the connected circumstances of your creation, and would say that; but with your mouth full, you can't reply, so Kōrakuhime has the first chance to speak."Ah, but we do... share a parent," your sister explains, "and were created of... the same material, so to speak. More important than that, however, is our shared experience as comrades in the Holy Grail War which... took place in the Akeldama. We were together almost from the... moment we came into existence, and worked together all that time to survive and escape. So, in a sense, we did... 'grow up together,' in addition to our shared parentage." She seems quite moved by the subject; she certainly shows more pride as she recounts this tale than she did when speaking of Ogawara's family. It might be for the best to go along with what she says, although you don't feel quite as strongly yourself. Demonstrating strong feelings of familial loyalty would be consistent with the image of a chivalrous knight you've been building in Ayaka's eyes, in addition to the obvious benefits with regards to Kōrakuhime."As Kōrakuhime says," you add, "we were born at the same moment, by the same ritual; it is the energy of the same sacrifice that gave us life outside the Akeldama; and we spent the first ten days of our lives working together as comrades. She may not have fought directly, but Kōrakuhime was still an invaluable support during the last War, and knowing what I now do about our origins, I couldn't see her as anything but family.""So that's it," Ayaka says, giving the two of you an oddly dissatisfied look. "I think I understand now."
>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Finish your breakfast and leave Kōrakuhime and Ayaka to work out on their own how to spend their time. You need to be alone for a while, to come up with a plan for how to defeat that immortal Berserker. (Duty)>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3677869>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)We have waited long enough. Now I want to summon a satan.
>>3677869>>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)It's about time.
>>3677869>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)
>>3677869>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)I wonder how we should approach her. With or without Ayaka? Maintaining the façade of not being a servant would be nice, but I wonder if we should not approach this ally in good faith.
>>3677869>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)Hopefully there will be time for Lily afterward.
>>3677869>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)Training < Allies
>>3677977>>3677988>They don't realize that the final chance to flag the lily route is nowFOOLS
>>3677988That's a less-than symbol.
>>3677869>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3677993Also, we won't be able to summon anything good in a fucking basement.I want to summon a Pegasus and not get stuck in doorways because of it's wings.We should just wait until nightfall.
>>3677869>>3677977>>3677993Eh, you might have a point.We could always train when we get back.
>>3678006[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Was supposed to change my vote, pardon me.
>>3677995Goddamnit, >>3677993Look man we don't fucking know if it isn't or not, but you know what just in case>>3677988Swapping to>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3678003>Ayaka comes down to the basement after multiple large drains on her mana>sees her Saber desperately trying to excavate a tunnel for his horse to fit through with his cloak
>>3677859>"Yes, thank you. Just a bit of cream," you say. Adelheid may have liked hers sweet, but for you it ruins the flavor. Please add... plenty of sugar to mine," Kōrakuhime says from beside you, "though I'd rather you leave the... cream out of it." You give her a sidelong glance. Is she being deliberately contrary? Her face remains expressionless, though.>Tsubaki potentially being this petty>Alberich noticing this level of pettiness at allBad show for entities which have surpassed humanity>"So that's it," Ayaka says, giving the two of you an oddly dissatisfied look. "I think I understand now."What a Rin-like reaction. We'll have to ask her thoughts on this later.
>>3678026Hey, Alberich doesn't enjoy eating children, so maybe they just have different taste in food and drink.
>>3678044>Alberich doesn't enjoy eating childrenCan't know if you never try it :^)
>>3678134Alberich has a conceptual compulsion to protect little girls and he isn't gay enough to eat little boys.
>>3678158Very solid logic
>>3678158Well put, anon.Little girls are for protecting, not eating.Little boys are for fags like Gil to eat.
>>3678158But what if the boys are castrated before hand?
>>3678196No way, fag.
>>3678196That's even gayer.What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>3678158>protectIs that what they're calling it these days?
>>3678232Well, that's how the U.N. put it. :^)
>>3678232Government lingo can get awful fucky
>>3677856>It may be true that you've curbed your pride somewhat since being bound as a ServantHave we really? It's got a larger lead than ever if I remember right.
>>3678351In that we haven't been acting like we're fucking Gilgamesh and have been playing the part of an obedient Servant.
Am I the only one who finds Tsubaki completely unlikable?
>>3677873>>3677925>>3678000>>3678017>>3678019>>3678319If we end up never summoning anything I'm blaming you.
>>3678386No desu. She's seriously getting on my Gil-nerves
>>3678386She doesn't really like us that much yet, she's probably just testing us to see how commited to this "sibling" thing we actually are.The two will hopefully come to like each other in time.
>>3678386I don't have very strong feelings in any direction. She's another ally to use as we need to, and Ogawara died in Akeldama.
>>3678386She really needs to start worrying about Alberich affection points desu
>>3677869>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)Let's see Lily after this.>>3678386I still hold a weird grudge for her doing nothing to "earn" her empowerment even though we technically didn't earn it completely either. Idk. Alberich defines himself by his strength and accomplishments so someone who has strength without any accomplishments could reasonably rankle him.
>>3678444I too have such feelings
>>3678444Honestly, other than stomp some humans with his superhuman abilities he was given for free, he's not done much either.What I do dislike is her acting so smug despite knowing almost nothing.
>>3678491When you remove the context of the grail war then stomping those humans doesn't sound impressive. You're leaving out a lot of what we did. But fair enough. She has been really smug and annoying.
>>3677869>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Oh, I forgot to vote.
>>3678521Her time to be smug is limited. When we get Circe back, her smugness will be crushed.And if she tries being smug regardless, then I'm not quite sure how bad the verbal beatdown will be.
>>3678351Your actual pride is higher, but you've learned to act less prideful.>>3678386T_T>>3678491>despite knowing almost nothing.She does know significantly more about magic than you do, and that's the only thing she's really been smug about.
>>3678572Don't feel bad Sweets. What matters is that we feel anything about her at all. Not everyone has to be likable.
>>3678572I somewhat like her.Lets hope this isn't another Kikuko situation. I had to do my best to convince the bloodthirsty anons to brainwash rather than kill there.Her smugness is going to get her fucked over, I can already see it occuring.
>>3678610>Her smugness is going to get her fucked over, I can already see it occuring.As it happens so often in this franchise
>>3678594No, but my goal has been for every heroine to have at least a fan or two. So it goes.>>3678610I'm glad someone does. Out of curiosity, do you like smug characters in general, or are you okay with her in spite of her smug behavior?
>>3678843Honestly, it's a little bit of both, strangely.I like smug characters, but sometimes, an overabundance of unwarranted smugness is too much.Not that she's been all that smug.
Missed voting for training montage and pulling Scáthach from gacha sword, oh well. Lets hope Einzbern loli will be worth our time.>>3678843I like her, Sweets. And I also like Ayaka.
>>3679089Who doesn't like Ayaka?
>>3679114I mean among anons.
>>3679103Takeuchi, for one.>>3679114Now, the question is: who would be the Shijou equivalent? Jean-Pierre certainly didn't have a Saber obsession.
>>3679127You never know who might be posting here.
So, should we try to have Lily survive the war?She should be able to handle 6 or so servant souls without dying.I want her to join us in our conquest of the world. Though if we need 6 souls, then here's a few courses of action, best case to worst. 1) hope some of Judas went to the grail, unlikely 2) hope 5 is enough 3) hope there's even more extra servants 4) hope there's somebody who summoned a servant like Gil worth multiple souls5) kill Rider. (Sorry Shirou.)6) kill Saber instead of altering her7) one of our siblings die8) one of our waifus die
>>3679471It is probably the smartest thing to do even if somewhat meta.And it is honestly big gamble just because how many strong Servants are involved. We only get Tiger Dojo if we die first so it could as well lead to oversaturated Grail with everyone but Alberich and Ayaka is dead.
>>3679471How useful is she, really?
>>3679487Lily?Well, she's got lots of information on the third magic and is one of the people with the most knowledge on how to properly incarnate servants. She's required to survive for the wish to actually happen unless you want to go Dr. Gilgamesh on her (Alberich really wouldn't want to)Additionally, the Einzbern would be excellent allies for taking over the world if we can actually properly ally them.Imagine a Combat Homonculi army.
>>3679491>Lily?>Well, she's got lots of information on the third magic and is one of the people with the most knowledge on how to properly incarnate servants. She's required to survive for the wish to actually happen unless you want to go Dr. Gilgamesh on her (Alberich really wouldn't want to)All valid points, alright. No problems there.>Additionally, the Einzbern would be excellent allies for taking over the world if we can actually properly ally them.>Imagine a Combat Homonculi army.OR we get back Circe, have her rip the knowledge out of Acht's head and use it to become an independent power.I wouldn't trust the Einzberns to keep $5.00 safe without trying to summon Mammon as a Servant or something, much less trusting them to honour an alliance and let us have any power at all.
>>3679491>Combat Homonculi armyDid not help Yggdmillennia all that much.
>>3679497>have Caster rip the knowledge from his headYeah, that might also work.Fuck em. We now know they japed Kerry on purpose.A homonculus army however would be a huge asset. Especially considering they can be both superhumanly strong and pre-loaded with magical knowledge. As well as being born ready to fight. The perfect army, in a way.
>>3679500That's because Apocrypha is shit.Also, tell that to Sieg.Didn't they create all those homonculi to act as sacrifices? How fucking wasteful.
>>3679506A: We don't need the Einzberns on our side if we manage to claim all of Acht's knowledge, and we can make our own homunculus army with it.B: The chances of homunculi going Sieg are too great.
>>3679511>The chances of homunculi going Sieg are too great.This is why you build all your homonculi with killswitch overrides.Maybe give them a number tattoo on their face for ease of identification. Really though, one going full Sieg is only an issue if some asshole decides to disgorge his heart to throw at them.Otherwise they are an interesting test subject to experiment on.Additionally, it's not like we're going to grow them specifically to die.Also Sieg makes no sense.
The benefits of a supersoldier army outstrip the potential drawbacks of one going rogue.It gives us the opportunity to level up our charisma too.Positives:>roadtrip to Germany, Adelheid might want to see it in person. She might also blow up the Reichstag.>immensely loyal army that is somewhat beyond humanity, can be both superhumanly strong and talented with magecraft >Army can likely be prepared relatively quickly, as they are created mostly ready to fight.>commanding an army allows us to raise Charisma>can send elite squads to assassinate enemy magi Negatives>Sieg>Potential high cost
>>3679608Oh, no she won't blow up the Reichstag.The Bundestag however might suspiciously explode.
>>3677869>[ ] Suggest paying a visit to Liliesviel von Einzbern after breakfast. It's time you found an ally who doesn't want to dismantle the Holy Grail. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>>3679511>The chances of homunculi going Sieg are too great.That depends on how you build them, how much mental capacity you decide to give them, and what you decide to expose them to.
>>3679733Also, the Yggdmillenia homonculi were bootlegs they got from imperfectly stealing the Einzbern method.Having two Casters in addition to Lily could easily allow a perfect replication of such methods, if required.And yeah, it's not like the basic homonculi needs more than the mental capacity of say, Leysritt.
>>3677869>>[ ] Inform Ayaka and Kōrakuhime that you'll be returning to Vaisset's workshop to train after breakfast. The rest of your morning should be spent testing Heiligöffnungschwert's second miracle, although you'll need to restrict yourself to summoning something small enough for the room. (Pride)
You don't want to mass-produce people with pre-prepared magical knowledge. Remember what your sister was just saying about mystery?
>>3680222That's why the ones with magical knowledge will only be on elite teams.For most, superhuman physical abilities and an understanding of battlefield tactics will do.A foot soldier vs Spec Ops.
>>3680251Even giving, say, a hundred people the same set of magical techniques could be a serious blow to the potency of whatever lineage you're getting them from (presumably the Einzbern). This is why almost nobody at the Clock Tower acts like a proper teacher. The "only one heir" thing is no joke.Setting that aside, even if you made them all the standard non-magical combat-types, I hope you're prepared for a long, long time skip while you manufacture them. Mass production of homunculi isn't quick, and if you want a serious army we're talking about hundreds of thousands; maybe millions.
>>3680330Of course giving 100 people the same abilities would be a bad idea.That's why you'd have them in teams, each with their own role within the team instead of having them all have the same skillset.As for the creation of a huge army, that's just a decision to be made later on down the line. It's a fairly solid investment, at least.
>>3679471Aren't we using the third magic to incarnate?
Seriously though, we are going to eventually have to reveal to Lily we're not really her brother.I mean, we're almost certainly somewhat based on the Einzbern Homonculi design from the silver grail though. Which is what convinced her of our supposed heritage. It's a strange state of affairs.I guess we're sort of her brother?
>>3680934Yes? That's how incarnation works.Lily is the only person that really knows about how the grail works and how we could properly use the wish to achieve the third magic to incarnate us and our allies.
>>3680960I guess I'm confused about why 6 is an issue. That's the absolute maximum amount of people we are even close to considering incarnating at this point, including ourselves.
>>3680947Besides not being produced by them we share the same design and goals.We are a homunculus, we are likely based on the Einzbern design, made in a war they helped create, we share their goal of winning the grail war and gaining the third magic.At the end I wouldn't be surprised if the Einzberns want to adopt us.
>>3680934I was under the impression from an earlier discussion that you'd all settled on trying to incarnate without using the Heaven's Feel.
>>3680994No, we need that many dead servants for the wish granting aspect to properly function.If we want Saber Alter, we'll likely need to kill Rider. Then again, it might work with only 5 servant souls.Did Gil get dunked before or after Saber disappeared?>>3680996Maybe, it really all depends on if that's how they see it.
>>3680996>>3681017>>3681025>Einzbern end>Immortality, immortal homunculus daughterus>Completely destroy the legacy of that loser Kiritsugu>Probably unlimited power and knowledge or something like thatY'know, all of the sudden this is seemung quite nice
>>3681025As far as I recall, Gilgamesh, Heracles, Hassan (who had the same energy supply as Kojirou), Cu Chulainn, Medea, EMIYA, and Arturia had all been consumed by the Matou Grail when Illyasviel performed the Heaven's Feel to save Shirou. The problem with the ritual was Shirou's state at the time.
>>3681017I'm not sure how that should work?I mean our highest priority is incarnating through any way possible. But we never really had any alternative besides the grail.
>>3681042I'm talking more about Gil's incomplete incarnation by way of Grail Mud falling on him while he's on his ass.Saber destroys the grail but I can't recall if we see her disappear.Also Gil is worth multiple servants or something because Gilwank is active even while he's getting eaten by a schoolgirl.
>>3681042Gil counts for two, but EMIYA was consumed by Ilya. I'd assume she used his energy, but idk.
>>3681064Gil is such a fuck up.
>>3681082>Fate- Gets fucked by Saber, repeatedly fails to finish off his enemies>UBW- Gets rekt by Shirou and memed by EMIYA, but does ruin berserker pretty notably >HF- L M A O He's a really fun antagonit, but fuck me if isn't the most infuriating OP bullshit this side of Instinct
>>3681053I'm not suggesting any course of action, just recalling the discussion you folks had in the last thread. There was a lot of talk of incarnating by some other method. >>3681057>Gil is worth multiple Servants or somethingIt's just so Nasu could say that his soul is too big for her to handle, so she couldn't alter him.>>3681064>EMIYA was consumed by IlyaI'd forgotten that.
>>3681105>"SURE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD TIME NOT TO BE WEARING MY ARMOUR!"Unironically, Rin might have been able to kill him with her gems when he was fighting Berserker without wearing his armour.
>>3681017I thought that was just one really insistent guy
>>3681130>His treasury contains the ancient prototypes of all noble phantasms>17th century rapier>A fucking katanaThat image will never stop bugging me.
I thought the consensus was that we needed HF but didn't know that IC.
>>3681128I decided to replay Fate/Stay right around the second thread of Awakening mirror, so most of such minor details are pretty fresh in my mind
>>3681156The most baffling part about Gilgamesh in SN is why he gets a haircut and a different casual outfit in UBW than he has in Fate.
>>3681180The Fate version looks so much better, too. I hate his UBW look, honestly.
>>3681195It could always be worse.
>>3681195We go from >Baller King of Heroesto>Chav/Slav thugIt's a real fall for the guy>>3681199>>3681206Cease and desist please
>>3681223Well, Gil also goes from>being defeated by Saber in a legendary battle where two EX Noble Phantasms are used and getting to spout off some lame cliche last wordsTo>getting memed by an autistic sword kid and his future self, last words "FUCKING STAY THERE SO I CAN CLIMB OUT" *thud*And finally to>jobbing and getting eaten His outfit degrades as his role does.
>>3681206Whyyyy? Why is that his formalwear CE? He's in love with Arturia, shouldn't he wear something English?>>3681199They shouldn't even have put it in HA.But really, what is it with Babylonian characters and worsening designs? Look at how great Ishtar looked before they made her a rinface.
>>3681268Thanks for giving me another reason to hate FGO.
>>3681258Tbh I loved the scene with him catching Shirou with the chains. It was really a point in the novel where he solidified in my mind as an impressive antagonist, definitively separated from bitchmade scrubs like Shinji or Caster. Naturally, this is immediately followed in HF with his ignominious death.
>>3681268Or here's another excellent one, from the same artist.
>>3681292>CasterHey, Medea is doing her best!She's the weakest servant summoned in the fifth war (what a bullshit war) and is still a very substantial threat.She's responsible for a lot of dead ends.
>>3681318>She's responsible for a lot of dead ends.Believe me, I know. She killed me every time she could in Fate, and was fucky in the early goings of UBW. But how is it that she is objectively inferior to Kuzuki in term tactics and ability to use her damn brain AND manages to lose in UBW despite having nearly everything go right? It's tough, but she's kind of an idiot and scrub my guy. Props for having the NP that saved Sakura in HF I guess?>She's the weakest servantI know this is supposed to be true, but after a very fresh reading of Fate I still think Rider is the worst of the six true servants available. She's also worse than Hassan desu.
>>3681354>Rider is the worstNo.Cybele, Bellerophon, Bloodfort and Breaker Gorgon are all broken. She'd immediately kill somebody like Iskandar with Cybele, for example.
"But," you say hurriedly, "we must move on to more practical matters. I am dissatisfied with our only allies in this War being the Emiya family, who wish to destroy the Grail. For this reason, I've concluded that we must form a new alliance with the Einzbern Master as quickly as possible. What are your thoughts, Miss Ayaka?""We talked about this already, didn't we?" she replies, a hint of irritation underlying her tone. "Of course I'm for that, but we don't have any way of getting in touch with this girl you met. We don't even know if they're based somewhere in the city, or if they're traveling here from somewhere else at night." As Ayaka voices her complaints, you gulp down the last few bites of your breakfast, finishing up before you make your reply."Indeed! However, all that has changed as of this morning," you announce, gesturing to Kōrakuhime with a theatrical flourish. "My sister was able to divine her location for us. Liliesviel von Einzbern is living in a penthouse, and we can meet her there.""Ooh, that is convenient," Ayaka comments excitedly. "How far is it, though? There aren't any skyscrapers around here, and without Nii-san's car, we don't exactly have a convenient way of getting around quickly.""We can simply take the train, surely," you answer. Ayaka may have had an upbringing free of public transit, but Yumigawa's memories have familiarized you thoroughly with it. "It will require a bit of walking from here to the station, but after that travel should be rather swift; and we needn't fear being attacked, since the sun is up.""If I may... interject," Kōrakuhime says, "you mentioned your brother's car, Shijou-san. I have observed that... the parking garage where it was lost is... between here and the Einzberns' abode. Reclaiming it should be... possible during the errand." This sentence is punctuated by the plop of a sugar cube into her cup. Although your sister is finished with her breakfast, she's still doctoring her coffee, which by now seems to be at least half sugar. "Bringing Nii-san's Mercedes home would be lovely, but who could drive it," Ayaka asks without hope. "I don't have a license, and I doubt you two do either.""Ani-ue is... a Servant of the Saber class," comes the soft reply. "His... Riding skill should grant him facility with all manner of vehicles. I am sure that... he can operate your brother's without difficulty." There's an interesting idea, but one you're not sure of. You certainly haven't experimented with Riding, after all. "Perhaps so," you say, "but Miss Ayaka had the right of it when she guessed I lack a license; I've never so much as touched a steering wheel.""Don't worry, Ani-ue," says Kōrakuhime with a tiny smile, "I... believe in you."
"Well, maybe that would work and maybe it wouldn't," Ayaka cuts in, setting her cup on its saucer with an interruptive clink, "but we have a more pressing topic to discuss. Should the two of us be coming along? Saber-san, you said the Einzbern Master thought you were an agent of her family. In that case, maybe it would be smarter for you to go alone.""Interesting," you mutter, considering the notion. It's a hard thing to decide, and one that depends almost entirely on how much Liliesviel already knows; a factor, of course, which you cannot predict."If she supposes Nii-san to be a homunculus," Kōrakuhime begins, "perhaps he ought to... play the role of a Master. If the two of us... were to meet the Einzbern Master as... a pair, with him in the role of... Master of Caster, would that not... be consistent with her expectations, while also... giving us an advantage in the event of conflict?""I'm afraid that wouldn't be possible," you answer. "A Master can detect the presence of other Masters by a sensation in the command spell. Liliesviel should know already that I'm no Master, and would see through the lie to be sure.""Something else then... I suppose," says Kōrakuhime with a disappointed expression.>[ ] Go alone. It's how Liliesviel met you before, and she responded well then. Consistency is important for a working relationship. (Pride)>[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Go with Ayaka and Kōrakuhime as a trio, and lay all your cards on the table. Perhaps the honest approach is the best. (Duty)>[ ] Suggest another plan (Write in)
Here's a shorter update for a secondary decision. Hoping I can get the next one written this evening.
>>3681587>[ ] Go alone. It's how Liliesviel met you before, and she responded well then. Consistency is important for a working relationship. (Pride)Gotta rack up affection points before being honest. I *do* intend us to be honest.
>>3681587>[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)
>>3681587>>[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)Gotta keep our trump card Tsubaki hidden.
>>3681587>[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)>whatever conclusionGotta say, I think that her conclusion might end up being "ree give me my brother back, thief."Luckily, we can say we have no memories of events we experienced from until about 3 weeks ago, when we woke up in a city and were compelled to join the grail war, and upon killing Caster with a Mystic Code, we attained the power of a Servant but were bound to his Master as an unforeseen consequence, and we'd be telling the complete truth.And now Tsubaki is making impossible suggestions herself, only for us to shoot them down. It doesn't feel good, a suggestion that seemed like a good idea to you being shot down immediately, does it?Speaking of, has anybody got any ideas to get Tsubaki to like us more? We could always impress her with the skills of the Coffee Master. I imagine Alberich is also a naturally talented chef, but as he's never cooked before, his food is passable at best. Also he doesn't really have time to practice cooking because he actually has his priorities straight... Shirou.Unless we ask Tsubaki for cooking lessons, which helps those affection points rise in addition to helping us learn how to cook, I guess.
>>3681587>>[ ] Go alone. It's how Liliesviel met you before, and she responded well then. Consistency is important for a working relationship. (Pride)
>>3681639>Do you think we should take a minute during this Holy Grail War to get some cooking lessons?This is peak Fate.
You know, between trying to eat other Servants to buff ourselves and searching for the rest of the Akeldama crew, I feel like we're on a very short timer.
I'm sure we would have more time to relax AFTER we get the gang back together but until then...
>>3681649It's a genius plan in order to get to know our sister better and show off our coffee skills. Which are matched by none.>>3681661It's fine to relax a little in the middle of the deadly super ghost war. Rushorou was once so relaxed he decided to make coffee for an enemy servant. What a fucking idiot.>>3681682That could be weeks from now and we need Tsubaki to like us more sooner rather than later. Especially if she starts getting jealous of Lily.This meeting is going to be a genuine disaster.Odds that Lily demands Ayaka hand us over?...Odds that Lily assumes our missing memories are a result of Ayaka's two missing command spells?
>>3681587On second thought, may as well approach this straightforwardly >[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)Changing >>3681608
>>3681587>[ ] Go with Ayaka, as the Master of Saber and her Servant. Whatever conclusion Liliesviel draws about you from this, there's still the possibility of forming a straightforward alliance between the Shijou and Einzbern Masters. (Self-Preservation)>>3681661Time spent messing around is time spent letting our sources of power die. A grail war is a rare opportunity for us to gain power quickly and another one won't happen again for a long time.
>>3681816I thought Ayaka had only used 1 command seal, when was the other one used?
>>3681816>Missing command sealsThat makes me think, we should probably advise her to cover those up eh? While we can't disguise her being a master, it'd be nice to not let the enemy know how many seals she has easily.
>>3681843Wasn't it used to teleport us to her after Saber bullied the shit out of us?
>>3681868Maybe a pair of gloves?
>>3681891Maybe a pair of... magic gloves. How about it Tsubaki?
>>3681894I mean, maybe?>"Please don't cut her hand off or in order to make them though."The good news is that the Einzbern would be more receptive to an alliance with one of the families they set the war up with though.Well.Slightly.Compared to the other masters, at least.
>>3681816>This meeting is going to be a genuine disasterIf you think the meeting's going to go so poorly with Ayaka there, why not vote for Pride?
>>3681919Because that isn't as fun.
>>3681927>Alignment: Chaotic Evil
>>3681946And I see you haven't voted. What's your take on it?
>>3681587>[ ] Go alone. It's how Liliesviel met you before, and she responded well then. Consistency is important for a working relationship. (Pride)Dis one.
>>3681587>[ ] Go alone. It's how Liliesviel met you before, and she responded well then. Consistency is important for a working relationship. (Pride)Tsubaki can protect her. We're not taking her into the lion's den.
>>3681927Ok but realistically, it's because I feel like Lily is probably already aware we have a master, and trying to hide them won't go well.Best to get them to meet sooner rather than later.
>>3681960Ah, but I have. I was mobileposting as >>3681608 + >>3681829The way I see it, her meeting Ayaka isn't going to go well in any world. I do earnestly seek an alliance, most especially with someone predisposed to like us. Therefore I'm in favor of bringing Ayaka, as it it would be unfair to Ayaka to pursue this without her at our side (and without her on hand this might lead to some mystic-eyes induced bad end). I sincerely want to hope that Lily isn't quite delusional enough to presume she can wrest her onii-chan from his Master by force.
Should we tell Lily that having her base at the very top of a tall building is a terrible idea?I think Alberich is smart enough to realise that.
>>3682387We can mention it if we actually pull the alliance off. Or if we don't. I imagine it'd be a friendly thing to do in any case.
>>3682426>"Oh and by the way, this base is dreadfully indefensible, an enemy could bring down this entire building by attacking an undefended level. Also, I personally just prefer palaces, or castles."
>>3682491>or castlesShe seemed pretty salty about Ilya's castle. Miss me with that.
>>3682501Exactly.We can share being angry that Tokyo has no space for Palaces or Castles to be built.
Side question, folks, how do you feel about trying to retrieve Vaisset's car on the way? In character Alberich has been ambivalent, so I'm throwing it out to you. Want to try your hand at driving, or take the train?
>>3682577Let's try driving.
>>3682577Sure, lets get the car. Gib reminiscing Ayaka
>>3682577Let's drive. How hard can it be?>inb4 we drive like a student driver or get pulled over
>>3682598>everyone gets in car>"What rank is your Riding skill anyway, Ani-ue?">"Oh. It's E." >slams foot on accelerator.Luckily, he should learn fast.
>>3682577GAS GAS GAS
>>3682926It still works, to be honest.
"No," you say, coming to a conclusion at last, "I don't think it would be wise for me to meet the Einzbern Master alone. As you said, Miss Ayaka, she didn't think I was a Servant when we last met; but at that time, the War had not yet begun. Since then, I have battled in public three times, first with your brother as my Master and then with you. As Kōrakuhime has been able to use magic to observe matters, so Liliesviel may have; or she may have learned of our battles by some other means. To attempt to deceive her would be too dangerous, as long as we have no way of knowing how far her knowledge extends.""Good thinking, Saber-san," Ayaka comments with an appreciative nod. "It'd definitely be a problem if this Einzbern girl thought we were trying to trick her. I guess that settles that the two of us are going, but..." her gaze shifts to your right as she pauses, so she's eying Kōrakuhime rather than addressing you directly when she asks, "what about your 'sister'? Bringing another Servant probably wouldn't be a good idea, right?""No," you agree, "I don't think so. Tsubaki, I think you shall have to wait for us here." Ayaka looks momentarily confused by the nickname, but doesn't comment on it."That... suits me perfectly," your sister replies between sips of her coffee-flavored sugar. "I have been... spending my days asleep, since being summoned... to conserve magical energy.""It seems we are decided then," you proclaim. "Miss Ayaka, are you ready to leave? If there is nothing else keeping us here...""Not quite," Ayaka says, looking flustered by the sudden shift. "Just let me take care of the dishes." She gets up hurriedly, stacking the empty plates and silverware on the serving tray she'd used to bring them in. Loaded down with dishware, she returns to the kitchen and you can soon hear the sound of the faucet as she washes up."Your Master seems to be growing a bit... territorial," Kōrakuhime comments, her lips curving in a faint hint of a smile."Territorial? I'm not sure I follow you," you send back, truthfully. You have noticed Ayaka seems uncomfortable around your sister, but you'd attribute that more to natural unease regarding a potentially deadly being than concerns over sharing her home. "Do you think it means that much to her, giving you a room?"Kōrakuhime gives you an incredulous look, peering at you over the edge of her coffee cup as she finishes the beverage. "...never mind," she says as she returns it to the saucer. "Forget I brought it up; it's not- that is, the point was trivial.""Well, that plainly isn't so," you reply. The point may or may not have been trivial, but something about your response clearly shocked your sister. She even slipped out of her archaic dialect for a moment, before correcting herself.
"Really, it was... quite unimportant. A... trifle," Kōrakuhime protests. "Only a comment on her... attitude; if you did not follow... please put it from your mind." With that, she gets to her feet. "Now, Ani-ue, I will be returning to... my room, to sleep. I wish you... good fortune with young Miss Einzbern.""Hold on a moment," you say, stopping her before she leaves the dining room. "I've just remembered: I don't actually know the address of the parking garage with M. Vaisset's car, or of Liliesviel's penthouse. You divined the locations; would you mind writing them down for me?""Certainly, Ani-ue," Kōrakuhime says, "here you are." She draws from her sleeve what at first looks like one of the talismans she uses, but when as she hands it to you, you can see it has the two addresses and districts written down. She didn't need to write it before handing it to you."If you had predicted I would need this, why didn't you bring it up?" The fact that she almost deliberately let you go off with no known destination somewhat sours the favor your sister is doing for you, and you give her a disapproving look as you ask the question.Kōrakuhime gives you a shrug in response, quite unperturbed. "I wasn't... certain you were unaware of the location," she says. "I simply prepared for use in the... possible event of your having the need... of it. I certainly didn't... memorize the address.""In that case, thank you," you say, pocketing the note. "Very considerate of you to do so." Turning on your heel, you head to the front door to wait for Ayaka. Your temper might be getting the better of you, you reflect. Anger isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but to immediately assume Kōrakuhime was being intentionally malicious may have been going too far. On the other hand, you have always found your anger to be a useful element in battle. If you mitigated it in some way, would you be putting yourself at a disadvantage in a future struggle?As you're pondering the advantages and disadvantages of rage, Ayaka walks up and begins putting on her shoes. You notice she's wearing her school uniform now, rather than casual clothing, although it's long past the hour she should have been at school. Does she feel compelled by the fact that it's a weekday?"Ready to go, then?""Just a minute," she answers, and then, "alright, let's go, Saber-san. I hope you don't mind leading me to the station, though. I've never been on a train in the city."
"Not at all," you say, walking out into the cold November morning. It's overcast today, with low grey clouds hanging over the city. You have to hope it doesn't rain. Other than your concerns about the weather, though, the trip is rather uneventful. Ayaka doesn't seem particularly interested in riding the city train, despite it being a new experience for her. She simply follows your instructions smoothly, carefully selecting your destination and paying the fare through the machine. As you guide her through the process, you can hear some mutterings from the nearby people about "that strange foreigner," and "a schoolgirl with him, at this hour," but no-one actually confronts the two of you. In almost no time at all, you've arrived at your first destination.As you walk up to the parking garage where you fought the other Saber, a chill runs down your spine. There's a large broken space in the short wall on the rooftop that you can see even from the street level, and all sorts of damage has been done to the alley on one side. The area still bears the scars of your battle, in other words. Fortunately, however, there's no presence of a Servant nearby this time."Is this where Nii-san died?" Ayaka asks pensively. She's staring at the building as well, with an oddly neutral expression that you can't quite place. It isn't grief, exactly, or fear, or anger, but something different; a strange, subtle, contemplative look."On the roof, yes," you answer. It's probably for the best to keep to short statements on this subject.Ayaka starts walking towards the entrance without warning. "Then let's get his car quickly, Saber-san," she says over her shoulder. "I don't want to be here for very long."The car is just where it was left, on the third floor of the garage. You take a moment to examine it as you haven't before, since you'll have to drive it shortly. It's a beautifully constructed Mercedes sedan, from some time in the last few years; although you don't know enough about cars to determine the model, the quality and expense of the vehicle are quite clear. In fact, it's a bit surprising that it wasn't stolen. As you're admiring it, Ayaka hands you a key. "Nii-san kept a spare at home," she says by way of explanation. "You don't have his, right?""Correct, thank you," you reply. Now that she mentions it, you realize you don't have Vaisset's keys. You would've had no way into the car if Ayaka hadn't thought to bring the spare key. Since she did, though, you unlock the car and open the passenger door for her to sit down. Once Ayaka is situated, you walk back around and slide in behind the wheel. You're immediately confronted by the array of unfamiliar controls. No matter, you tell yourself. Even if you don't know how to drive a car, you at least understand the first step. You know where to put the key...
Or perhaps not. There is no key, just a fob with buttons, and there's no keyhole for the ignition either. For several moments, you stare dumbly at the wheel, willing yourself to know how to drive. Then, to your surprise, it suddenly works. It clicks for you that this car has a keyless ignition, and you need only press the right button; and all the other knowledge you need to drive suddenly slots into place as well. The Riding skill, it seems, really does work for vehicles. As you start the car, the sound of the engine tells you one other thing: there's a lot more power to be had from this car than Vaisset was getting out of it with his relaxed driving.>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)>[ ] Don't get cocky, just take it slow and make sure you really can drive. (Versatility)
>>3683126>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)if a delorean can travel through time will a Mercedes travel through space?
>>3683126>SpecialtyDoes this mean that we'd only be able to go fast or that we'd be locking ourselves into mundane vehicles?
>>3683126>[ ] Don't get cocky, just take it slow and make sure you really can drive. (Versatility)
>>3683126>[ ] Don't get cocky, just take it slow and make sure you really can drive. (Versatility)I'm not sure what either means, but I'm going versatility since I feel specialty will lock us into being only good with mundane vehicles
>>3683126>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)
>>3683126>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)I think this means we'd be better at driving this specific vehicle, while driving carefully means we'd be just okay at driving more vehicles
>>3683126...I think I'll switch from >>3683168 to>[ ] Don't get cocky, just take it slow and make sure you really can drive. (Versatility)If only to prevent a tie.
I just hope we haven't botched this.I want to protect Lily. She's like, a conceptual sibling (Alberich was likely modified in the same way Einzbern Homonculi are made, he's a sort of bootleg super homonculus with a will of his own, considering only the Einzbern have the knowledge for Homonculi , it can be assumed that Judas copied it from them with his false grails, that might be why we can absorb servants actually, we could in fact have been a lesser grail of some kind) which is different from Tsubaki's spiritual sibling status.I get the feeling that if this does go well and we get along with her, "I'm the better younger sister." might turn into a point of contention between the two.Nevermind that neither of them are younger than Alberich is.
>>3683459>Alberich was likely modified in the same way Einzbern Homonculi are made, he's a sort of bootleg super homonculus with a will of his ownSymbolically, yes, but Alberich is very different from a homunculus. His biology is conceptual, for one, similar to a god's material form, while homunculi have flesh.>considering only the Einzbern have the knowledge for Homonculi, it can be assumed that Judas copied it from them with his false grailsAccording to Circe's analysis our soul was plunged into the World of Imaginary Numbers. Homunculi are made through alchemy using ingredients like sperm, so unless you're arguing that alchemy can access the IN World...Not to mention that Judas can do almost anything by manipulating the world of Akeldama freely, so he could've just snapped his fingers for all we know.>that might be why we can absorb servants actually, we could in fact have been a lesser grail of some kindAnother explanation would be that the ritual has the effect of adding a set of concepts to another object's conceptual framework -- usually the sacrifices' conceptual existences to the Shijou magic crest -- and Ayaka had the bright idea to use it to add enemy Servants' NPs, skills and/or stats (which are part of their conceptual frameworks) to Alberich's conceptual framework because he was alive and could therefore improve naturally.
>>3683489Yes, but you're forgetting that even Lily was tricked into thinking we were a homonculi/servant hybrid.There's no reason to believe Judas didn't use the Einzbern's Homonculi creation method to supplement the modification.The Einzbern Homonculi were a by-product of the third true magic, the soul bullshit of Heavens Feel. Seeing as magic circuits reside within a Magus' soul, then it can be assumed that the Einzbern method was used.Unless you want to argue that Rushorou, Matsuda and Ogawara all had magic circuit counts of 100+ to start.He's a bootleg Homonculi, but the groundwork is likely very similar. It wouldn't just be a coincidence, not when the similarities are so great and when Judas, having replicated the last war, would have access to such methods.
I actually think a mastery of modern mundane vehicles is a great application of our riding stat. It's never gonna be good enough to ride a powerful magical being unless we invest the energy of a slain servant into it. And it gives us a "mount" that doesn't require magical energy to maintain. Not to mention that it gives us a method to travel discreetly in the modern world. I'd also imagine that a specific vehicle could be linked to our legend, granting it magical enhancements if we choose. Also, mundane vehicles are much more readily available to us since they're always present than summoning a mythical mount.
>>3683510>never gonna be good enough to ride a powerful magical being unless we invest the energy of a slain servant into itLiterally no reason to think this.Also mundane vehicles are shit.Also, please tell me how cars are more present than literally being able to summon hundreds of mounts that are in every way superior.
>>3683518The Riding rank dictates the quality of mounts we can successfully ride. Rank E is not gonna do much for us.
>>3683176>>3683265Unless you raise your riding stat to C or higher, you're stuck with mundane vehicles no matter what. This determines specialization within that.
>>3683524You forget we're still alive and our riding rank will raise as we get more experience with riding. Considering the skill automatically gives experience, it should be quite easy to level. It's only E because Alberich has never ridden anything before.
>>3683504>even Lily was tricked into thinking we were a homonculi/servant hybrid.Counterpoint: that's because she had only the knowledge and viewpoint of the Einzberns and naturally explained everything Otto reported in that light.>There's no reason to believe Judas didn't use the Einzbern's Homonculi creation method to supplement the modification.There's no reason to believe he did except for Alberich's superficial similarity to an Einzbern homunculus, which may have very well been a way to generate conflict in the real world.Also Sweets said he wasn't a homunculus. (pic)>Unless you want to argue that Rushorou, Matsuda and Ogawara all had magic circuit counts of 100+ to start.Rushorou's copy ended up with 100+ Circuits because we chose to "accept the immutability of spirit, and direct the aid within". Who's to say the same result might not have happened with anyone else, if we chose them as the PC?>>3683510>It's never gonna be good enough to ride a powerful magical being unless we invest the energy of a slain servant into it.Guess who we know has Riding: A+. roland>And it gives us a "mount" that doesn't require magical energy to maintain.But it wouldn't be as cool or powerful as a summoned mount.>Not to mention that it gives us a method to travel discreetly in the modern world. I'd also imagine that a specific vehicle could be linked to our legend, granting it magical enhancements if we choose.If we can be associated with a car, we can be associated with a specific Phantasmal Beast.>Also, mundane vehicles are much more readily available to us since they're always present than summoning a mythical mount.We can always borrow our Master's car.And, by the way, our mythical mounts require even less setup to summon in the modern world than getting mundane vehicles.
>>3683541You're missing my point.One of the few ways to give somebody additional magic circuits (permanent ones, not "I'LL JUST BURN A NERVE LOL" ones) is by the manipulation of the soul. Which Einzbern bullshit is capable of. Sweets has told half-truths to throw speculation off track before.We're a conceptual entity with at least some of the make-up of a Homonculus, otherwise there's no way Lily would've thought we were one when we met her face to face.Hell, we've got an artificial spirit too, just like a homonculus does.Alberich seems like some form of conceptual super homonculus. There's no reason he'd have such a similar appearance otherwise. Arguing for "coincidence" is a poor show.
>>3683559>One of the few ways to give somebody additional magic circuits (permanent ones, not "I'LL JUST BURN A NERVE LOL" ones) is by the manipulation of the soul. Which Einzbern bullshit is capable of.Alright.>Sweets has told half-truths to throw speculation off track before."Sweets was lying the whole time" is hardly an argument, anon.And he has said it more than once.>We're a conceptual entity with at least some of the make-up of a Homonculus, otherwise there's no way Lily would've thought we were one when we met her face to face.again, the bit about fitting the facts into her worldview and knowledge base>Hell, we've got an artificial spirit too, just like a homonculus does.And?>Arguing for "coincidence" is a poor show.I'm not arguing for "coincidence", I'm arguing for "malice".
>>3683126>[ ] Don't get cocky, just take it slow and make sure you really can drive. (Versatility)Probably smarter this way.
>>3683568>and?Just pointing out that we're very similar to a homonculus Regardless, Illya was far from stupid when it came to magecraft, especially the magecraft of the Einzbern.It would be reasonable to assume that Lily, being the next generation of lesser grail after Illya, is even more prepared.Judas hasn't really shown anyone unjust malice though, he'd have no reason to make us appear similar to Einzbern Homonculi (which he as a servant would have never seen) for such a goal.
One more argument in favor of specialty, Vaissets vehicle is probably one of the higher quality mundane vehicles we could get our hands on. I think we should maximize it's usefulness instead of spreading our E-rank driving skill thin, making us probably no more skilled than the average human driver
>>3683594But we can level up our Riding and temporarily restricting ourselves to Vaisset's car is bad because we're fucked if it gets destroyed.
>>3683598What other mundane vehicles do we plan to use with any regularity? We can steal a car in a pinch but we shouldn't plan for that when we have a high quality vehicle right here. Having a consistent vehicle that we're skilled with makes it even easier to level up our riding skill.
>>3683637Good point. Switching from >>3683215 to>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)
>>3683637The same argument of "raising riding quickly" could be made of gaining expertise in riding multiple vehicles. Versatility trumps specialization in this case, because we're not always gonna have Vaisset's car on hand.
>>3683650We can use Vaisset vehicle in more situations if we're more skilled with it though.
>>3683654It depends.We certainly won't be winning any races against other Servants.
>>3683126>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)Fuck yeah. I don't want to be a jack of all trades. Imagine how sick it would be if using one specific vehicle will link it to our legend. Maybe Tsubaki can layer some enchantments on it too.Also,>Don't get cocky>Pride: 65
Remember guys, higher riding skill enhances the mount, even mundane ones, as shown by the motorcycle transforming in Fate/Zero when Saber rode it.
>>3683689>>3683691>wanting a shitty Mercedes linked to our legend and not a super-sonic Phantasmal SpeciesAnd>riding: E>enhancing anything By the time it can enhance anything we'll be capable of riding shit far beyond modern vehicles.
>>3683126I've thought it over, and fuck it. Changing >>3683399 to>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)
>>3683691Oh and the transformation of the bike was due to her using her armour and invisible air in an odd way.She was also using Mana Burst.Nothing to do with Riding.I just don't think limiting ourselves is a good idea.
>>3683701I don't think we can reach the Riding rank required for phantasmal beasts in any reasonable amount of time outside of using sacrificial servant energy.
>>3683728That's kind of my fucking point.This is why we're planning on trying to convince something to carry us, to circumvent the need for the skill.If we can get riding to B or A we can either push a modern vehicle to it's limit or ride things far beyond modern vehicles. There's no point limiting ourselves to this car.
>>3683735Here's the question:Does specializing mean we specialize in cars instead of say, motorcycles or other classes of mundane vehicles? Or does it mean we're limited to this single car above all others? I think it's worth it either way, but there's a big difference between the two.
>>3683735Also what makes you think convincing something to carry us circumvents the need for a riding skill?
>>3683745Because that's exactly what Sweets said?
>>3683749Then why are we worried about using mundane transportation other than this vehicle? We can use the car when we need it, and summon something for other situations. There's no need for other mundane vehicles or building up our riding skill.
>>3683754Because while we can circumvent the need for it somewhat, I would eventually like to be able to ride things without them having to be smart enough to agree to it.
Car preference aside.How DO we get Lily to a point where we'll be OK after revealing our true origins?Saving her life from an enemy would be ideal, I think.
>>3683783If we want to gain her trust we can reveal a certain party that's working to destroy the grail. Working with both groups is not gonna end well. Since we're planning on betraying the Emiya crew at some point anyway, I think we should work with Lily and act as her spy against the Emiyas. That way we can still use them to help us eliminate servants and use Lily in the end to utilize the grail.
On second thought, I'll switch back to Versatility.
>>3683793I do wonder how she'll react to the presence of Shirou.
>>3683863She may already know that we've worked with them.
>>3683867It can't be helped. The Emiyas seemed ripe for exploitation and with the power of some of the other servants in this war, it seemed appropriate to use the Emiyas and their overly trusting nature in order to defeat the Enemy Servants AND Backstab them.Who knows, it's unlikely, but maybe she won't despise Shirou.
>>3683745>Also what makes you think convincing something to carry us circumvents the need for a riding skill?It's because having a sentient, language-capable creature carry you wouldn't be "riding" it. That would be cooperation.
>>3683896Understood. If that's the case then there's not much reason to improve our Riding skill, unless it still confers bonuses to being carried by a sentient creature.
"Miss Ayaka, I think I know the shortcut to our destination.">Riding: Ehttps://youtu.be/758Y3qGecX4
>>3683912Well, there's the fact that sentient creatures are somewhat few. Your plan of riding a winged horse, for example, would be right out the window without Riding A.A creature from the Reverse Side that's both sentient and big enough to carry you will probably have a fairly heavy energy cost to summon.
>>3683921So mundane vehicles seem like the best option, barring extraordinary circumstances.Is the vote tied right now? Counting it up is kind of a nightmare right now with all the vote switches.
>>3683742The choice is basically to be world-class at driving cars or to be competently mediocre at driving a wide variety of mundane vehicles.
>>3683933That's what I was hoping for. Hopefully that makes the choice a little easier.
>>3683933>wide variety of mundane vehiclesHow wide are we talking?APCs, helicopters, trucks, tanks, motorbikes, boats, mechs included?
>>3683286If it's all cars, I'll switch to specializing.It's not like we'll never raise Riding.
>>3683948Well, it's very broad. You'd have to try it out to see. Your starting point for the versatility option is "a common transport vehicle," though, so you'd definitely have an easier time with a speedboat than a tank. Mecha don't exist.
>>3683953>>3683801If you switch your vote, please link back to the choice post.
>>3683968I've got 5 for specialty and 4 for versatility right now. I never noticed how much of a pain in the ass counting votes must be.
>>3683958If so I stay by my choice of Versatility. Since as much as one scene of street racing is fun it is better to be well prepared for future. Like crushing that train.>Mecha don't exist.Almost as much Dream Crusher as From, And as many crushed zakus as battle of a baoa qu.Also, poor Mecha Eli-chan.
>>3683990Yeah, it takes a bit; especially on points of contention. I've got the same count, though, so unless someone else changes before I get the update done it looks like you're focusing in on cars.
>>3683992>crashing the trainWell shit, just like that, I'm convinced that my switch was too hasty.>>3683971>>3683953>>3683126Disregard my switchI'll go back to >Versatility.
>>3684005...what part of crashing a train involves us driving a train? That doesn't even require mediocre driving skill. And we've already decided on a source of power for Tsubaki that doesn't require eating large amounts of people.
>>3683992On the other hand, think of how relieved Harris must be.>>3684015I still think the best way to crash a train is to suplex it, myself.
>>3683126>[ ] Draw out the Mercedes' true potential (Specialty)Since we won't be able to ride anything fancy until we hit rank C anyway, we may as well make the most out of something we have easy access to and is easily replaceable. So long as Akagata and Archer don't decide to take a boat and fire at us from Tokyo Bay, cars should be sufficient for city travel.
Rolled 2 (1d2)>>3684015Fine, you know what?FATE TAKE THE WHEEL>>3684005>>36831261 = Specialise 2 = Versatility
>>3684023>dice tie the vote.Fuck you, dice. Just.Whatever. Speciality it is.>>3684018Sabin pls go.
>>3684023If you're gonna leave it to chance then why even vote?
>>3684031>forgot to link back to original FUCK.>>3683126>>3684023>>3684031>>3684005>>3683953>>3683286SPECIALITY.No more vote changes for me I thinkI've had quite enough for today.
Sweets please make a set time window for votes to be counted to prevent this nonsense in the future
>>3684038As recompense for my actions, have these Circe sprites.
>>3684055And miss out on this hilarity?
>>3684069Status UpdatedServant ??? Master: N/ATrue Name: SweetsSex: ???Height: ???Weight: ???Alignment: Chaotic EvilStrength: EEndurance: DAgility: EMagical Energy: ELuck: ENoble Phantasm: A+ Class Abilities: Writing: ASweets is a skilled writer and can create storylines and characters that autists will become truly invested in, with the only drawback being the amount of time each update requires. Personal Skills:Architect of Suffering: ASweets can create a pocket dimension that is shaped by their own will, combined with the will of their players to a lesser extent. The players believe this is purely for their entertainment, however the true purpose of this dimension is to cause untold suffering to these players. Noble Phantasm:Dream Crusher A+Sweets, as creator of this world, has the final say on what’s possible or impossible within his pocket dimension. Activation of this Noble Phantasm allows for complete remorseless destruction of the dreams of their players.
>>3684132>A+YOU HAD ONE JOB.
>>3684136How can the skill be EX rank if there's nothing to compare it to?
>>3684147Because you made it a Noble Phantasm, you dullard.
>>3684147There is one instance of a lower-ranked Dream Crusher skill in action. EX is a possibility.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3632706/#p3654972
>>3684170>you dullardAnon, I just made it for laughs. Calm yourself. I've never pretended to be an absolute expert on this shit. There's no need to start flinging insults.
>>3684174It's hardly an insult, compared to the standard fare.I didn't even call you a faggot!>>3684186You ok there?
>>3684197Not now, since I noticed my ID changed.
>>3683968>>3683645 to >>3683801.
>>3684065All is forgiven... this time...
So when we get the chance to experiment with magic a little more, I want to look into this.>Nothingness: the element that makes up all materials in the Realm of Imaginary Numbers. Although the world you dwell in is made up of Five Great Elements, only two exist in the gods' newer realm. These are Nothingness, which fills the roles of Earth, Water, Wind, and Fire; and Void, which fills the role of Sky. With Heiligöffnungschwert's third miracle and basic knowledge of elemental magic, you're now finally ready to make proper use of the fact that you are aligned to this multifaceted Imaginary Element.If nothingness fills the role of the more physical elements, can our nothingness magic emulate the effects of Earth, Water, Wind, and Fire? That would open up a lot of possibilities for us.
>>3684132>Endurance: DWhy is that the one that's above E?
>>3684534You're run a quest for 4 months worth of consistent updates. That more than most QMs can say.
>>3684546>consistent updatesSpeaking of which, I may be back on hiatus until after Wednesday. Things have been kind of up in the air today, and I'm not sure how the rest of the week will go.
>>3684552Blast. Well, life happens. Good to know either way.
>>3684522Also, our imaginary elements magecraft is supposedly more effective against all spiritual beings, including Heroic Spirits. Our creepy shadow tendril magecraft might be more useful than we originally thought.
>>3684587I mean, the Shadow used it's creepy shadow tendril magecraft pretty effectively, and it's sort of the same principle. I still think we should get those cooking lessons from Tsubaki. I don't want our relationship to be this tense.>both of his sisters have used a magical effect to enchant Alberich. One to make him tell the truth, the other to spook him into thinking she was going to murder him while he couldn't move.Being Saber is suffering.
>>3684974Also, we should ask Ayaka's opinion on Tsubaki (through the mental link, given Tsubaki's propensity to spy on us.)
>>3684974>Being Saber is suffering.Not after we eat Artoria's MR you can get your maid in the next war
>>3685045She might need more than a single breakfast to form a proper opinion of our sister anon.Sweets is busy IRL, time to post some methamphetamine-induced pipe dreams. I've been rereading the quest with the wondrous mystery that is F3, and I found something awful neat in thread 6 of City Akeldama.>As you comprehend the makeup of her abilities, an idea strikes you. If it's your Od that she's using to keep the Divine Language functional, you should be able to use the same technique! "In that case," you say excitedly, "can you teach me the same method?">Your hopes come crashing down as Caster shakes her head, an expression of sympathy on her face. "I'm afraid not," she says. "Even with the reinforcement I'm giving it from your Od, the authority of my Divine Language is only made possible by my being an existence with a fundamental link to the Age of Gods. Without that connection to the ancient power, you'd find them useless. As things are now, reviving the use of the Divine Language for anyone but myself or another ancient heroic spirit is impossible.">"Ah, well," you say, "I suppose it was a bit much to hope I could learn magic powerful enough to make someone legendary. The Divine Language aside, what about that other thing you were talking about..."Sweets shot us down hard when someone asked whether or not we could pick up the concept of High Speed Divine Language. Keeping in mind the explanation of Circe's usage of the skill in Akeldama I posted above, I presume the ability is impossible to acquire because of the lack of that fundamental (see: conceptual) link to the Age of the Gods. But you know who has a tangible conceptual link to that Age? Achilles. I'd put forward that Archer probably does as well. So then, if Alberich forcefully wrested some good-old-fashioned divinity from somebody, we might be able to bootleg some fucking top-tier magic!
>>3685068I'm still thinking that upping our conceptual biology would be the best way to increase our MR.Or we can just pump it with energy from any servant.Honestly though, the two people who have magecraft that we'd need protection from aren't actually going to use it to harm us.Tsubaki is autistic, so it's possible she considered that putting us in a position where we were at her mercy and not killing us would make us trust her more.Circe we'd need EX Resistance to deal with anyway, because I don't even want to know the sort of spells she could use to bypass A rank magic resistance if we're sleeping or whatever.>>3685075First Impressions are a powerful thing, anon. We might not have a tangible link to the age of Gods, but we do have a tangible link to the Gods themselves. But I'm not sure if we could use that link to learn HSDW, nor if we could take another Servant's link.Regardless, such things will be unnecessary after we bring the Age of Gods back, then we can finally ask Circe to teach us HSDW.We'd also need to first find Circe and ask her to teach us though, then there's the fact that it will take a not insignificant amount of time to learn, even with being a prodigy with magic.A Saber being a better Caster than 90 percent of Casters does sound hilarious though. In a perfect world where Conceptual Biology ranks everything up if levelled (STR, END, AGI and MAG. Along with Magic Resistance and additional resistance to effects that alter our biology) we'd be an absolute top tier Saber.Maybe THE top-tier Saber.
>>3685112>We'd also need to first find Circe and ask her to teach us though, then there's the fact that it will take a not insignificant amount of time to learn, even with being a prodigy with magic.Not if we straight up steal the concept! Of course, Alberich would get HSDW at rank C or something. But we could still have Circe train that up later. I just am unsatisfied with the orthodox magicks of man, even if they're magics Alberich acquired through his own honest effort.>Be Alberich>Have top-notch magic holy sword and sabering skills>Have special personal skill which lets him get top-notch physical stats and resistances>Have stolen divinity, can use lost magics from the Age of the Gods>Look like a classical statue>Be the last Hero>Can get other Gucci abilities/traits by massacring inferior heroesNow THIS is powerwanking
>>3685122>steal the concept From who? Circe? We'd have to start from E.But that's fine. A rank HSDW Alberich with all his Parameters raised by one level would probably be a threat even Gil would have to take seriously. Unironically, he likely considered Medea a greater threat to him than he did Berserker, because he wore his armour when he decided to kill her. (Because his natural magic resistance is dogshit.)
>>3685140>*teleports behind you*Yes, I think Alberich is sufficiently familiar with HSDW to copy the concept from Circe. The problem is, from what I can tell, the (supposedly) insurmountable barrier of being a product of the age of man trying to use techniques from the age of the gods.
>>3685156He's not though. Circe explained the concept behind how it works somewhat but that's not really enough to copy it. Sweets said it was impossible to copy with what we know of it too.We'll have to officially become her student if we want to learn HSDW. which isn't so bad. I'm sure Circe would enjoy a reason to spend more time with Alberich.They don't suffer from their mystery being weakened like modern magecraft either, I think.
More pics of best sister.