You are Alberich: serial killer, familiar to two magi, and dubiously related to the gods. Since being transformed into a superhuman, magic-fueled warrior, you have been contracted to protect one magus, seen him die, and been bound to a new one.On the night of Wednesday, November 13, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a legendary warrior contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail, their existence sustained by the mystic energy of their summoner. In your case you were conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being a legendary warrior, but that's neither here nor there at this point. The magic empowered you enough to fill the role, anyway.After spending a few days learning about the Holy Grail War and your surroundings, you and your Master, Jean-Pierre Vaisset, had your first skirmish with the enemy: a complete defeat. The enemy Servant outclassed you utterly, and the only reason you survived was that her Master ordered her to retreat once he'd killed Vaisset.With Vaisset dead and your supply of mystic energy cut off, you were prepared to fade into the aether when you discovered to your surprise that he'd prepared a backup plan to transfer his Command Spells to his sister in the event of his death. This transfer of authority was immediately followed by a physical transference, and you appeared in the girl's bedroom. Thus you found yourself breaking the news of her older brother's death to Shijou Ayaka, your new Master, in the middle of the night, only a few moments after you learned of it yourself.She took it surprisingly well, and since then many things have happened. You slew one Servant, grew stronger by his death, and fled from another. You learned the truth that you were never human, but an artificial hero created by Judas. This revelation about your identity has not changed your goal, however. Whether or not your life has been by the design of another, there is only one path before you. You must win the Holy Grail if you wish to survive. Five Servants remain to fall by your sword.Now, tonight, you are on the trail of an unknown Servant that's been hunting families of mundane humans for its own reasons, leaving burned out houses in its wake. Will the conflict with it become another inconclusive skirmish, or a new victory for your legend?Previous thread: >>3603951Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
Your lips curl into a smile. This, now, is good news. The chance to defeat the rogue Servant before the Master of Berserker can stake out the next set of ruins, and to increase your cachet with Emiya's party. To eliminate one of your competitors, hopefully while they're either occupied in their feeding or sated, not expecting a battle. Ayaka has given you the perfect opportunity."That's wonderful, Miss Ayaka," you exclaim. "Can you perform the necessary magic here and now? If we can confront that Servant tonight, the evening may yet hold triumph.""Oh, sure," she says, taken aback at your exuberance. "But, aren't you tired from the fight with Berserker? Can you handle more fighting tonight, Saber-san?""I told you, didn't I? I'm fully rejuvenated!" You pat the top of Ayaka's head in a way that could be either comforting or patronizing. You hope it's the former. "Thank you for worrying," you continue in a more normal tone, "but I really am quite well now.""Alright then, Saber-san," Ayaka concedes. "If you say so."Ayaka stretches her right hand out in front of her, holding the plate fragment in her palm, and the magic crest on her arm begins to glow. "Lost magic," she chants, eyes shut to view an inner world, "that was once of something greater. I command you by the name of Shijou. Show me your origin, and lead me to your source."Then the magic fades, and Ayaka opens her eyes again. A faint glow, part of the light that shone from her crest, has taken up residence in her irises. "I know where the Servant is," she declares. "It isn't moving. I think it might be attacking another family now. We need to hurry, Saber-san! That way!" Without a moment's pause, you pick Ayaka up once more and head off over the rooftops in the direction of her pointing finger. You're heading nearly back the way you came, towards the neighborhood of the Emiya and Shijou houses, but not in exactly the same direction. You won't pass the ruins where you fought Berserker, at any rate. After about a half-hour of travel, Ayaka motions for you to stop. Even if she hadn't though, you'd have known. Even from blocks away, you can clearly feel the Servant's presence as you approach; and when you alight on a roof across the street from the house, you can almost smell the stench of blood. The house where that Servant is feeding hasn't started burning yet, but what's being done in there is like a beacon of energy. There's even a bounded field set around the house, no doubt doing the job of warding off mundane senses. Of course, if you can detect the Servant in that house, it can surely sense your presence as well.>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)>[ ] Wait and watch. (Duty)>[ ] Launch a portal at the house to attack the Servant from range. (Self-Preservation)
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)First vote of Scathach
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)A bounded field?Concerning.
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)>inb4 Dead End
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)Time to meet Lancer, I suppose.
>>3632725Did Adelheid know how to use those? She seemed like a fire and forget kinda gal
>>3632747Adelheid wouldn't. Circe would.
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)Time to get ganked.
>>3632709>[ ] Enter the house. (Pride)Who cares about dead ends lmao
I wonder, would gil like the cut of our gib or would he see us as a disgusting pawn of the gods?Maybe he'd see us as a cute mini enkidu to guide and mold into becoming a true hero
>>3632709>[ ] Launch a portal at the house to attack the Servant from range. (Self-Preservation)Don't give them the chance to prepare.
So, place your bets. Who thinks that we're gonna die?
>everyone voting for an option that they openly expect to kill thembut why
>>3633146It's literally just three anon, we don't even know for sure so who cares? Not like we're going to immediately start the new thread with a dead end
>>3633077Unless this servent is some berserker tier ass destroyer, i don't think we'd just get one shot like thatUnless it's like assassin or something which seems unlikely
>>3633077Honestly, it depends on whether or not the Servant inside will appreciate our audacity.>>3633171>Not like we're going to immediately start the new thread with a dead endWell, the first thing to happen to us upon entering the Akeldama was instant death. I'm not 100% confident that we'll survive this choice, but I'd like to talk to the Servant and try to see what's up if at all possible.
>>3633314What's the point of talking to the servant?
>>3633360To figure out why it's killing people, to get it to let slip a clue to its identity so we can more effectively combat it, information in general.
>>3633395I think it's a safe bet to say that they're killing people to empower themselves
There's no point in simply waiting, you decide. To attack from above would likely give you an advantage, but would also certainly cause the deaths of any humans still living in the house, and that would disturb Ayaka. So there is only one thing to do: enter by the front door. You drop to the street below and materialize your armor before approaching the bounded field carefully. You haven't enough knowledge of such things to guess at its effects."Miss Ayaka," you say quietly, "what can you tell me about this bounded field?""Hmmm..." She scrutinizes it for a moment, before concluding, "it seems to only be a sensory barrier. It keeps people outside from hearing anything within, and alerts the user when it's crossed.""Excellent." If it lacks the dangerous effects of Circe's barrier or the solid defense of Vaisset's, it's nothing to worry about. As you pass through it, you feel the membrane of mystic energy tingling on your skin, but nothing more. When Ayaka mentioned the auditory effects of the barrier you had been momentarily concerned that the property would be filled with screams and the bloody noise of its inhabitants' deaths, but these suspicions were unfounded. The air within the bounded field is utterly silent. You try the door, and find it unlocked, the click of the knob resounding in the stillness.As you advance into the house, your nose fills with the stench of blood. You're certain now that there has been recent death here, but there's no visual sign of it. In fact, the house seems pristine, though dark. The entryway is clear and tidy, with all the family's shoes lined up in their proper places. There were children of four different ages in this family. The floors are polished. There is no clutter about, or any sign of a struggle. As you move on you see that the living room is in the same condition. It could be a showplace for some modern interior decorating magazine. The house has a western-style layout, with its living room stocked with a sofa and entertainment equipment, and fully separated from the kitchen and dining room. The blood stench comes most strongly from the kitchen, and you doubt it's in the same condition of cleanliness as the first two rooms you've covered. Fortunately for Ayaka's eyes, there's no need to examine it. It's in the dining room that the presence of the Servant waits, as still as the rest of the house. Is it waiting for you with some trap, like a spider in its web? No matter. You clear the hesitation from your mind and advance toward the dining room, rounding the corner ready to materialize Heiligöffnungschwert at the slightest provocation.
By the way, did anyone notice the [WisUp] tags next to Berserker and Rider of Fuyuki in pastebin when we learnt new things about them?
No provocation comes as you stand on the threshold. In the dining room, seated at the head of the table with her back to you, is the Servant. You can see her only dimly, however. In the living room and entryway some light had entered through windows or the open front door, but it's not so here in this windowless chamber. The darkness is complete here, and without a Servant's vision you would be unable to see a thing. As it is, you can make out the general details. The predatory Servant is short, wears a richly decorated blue furisode and has long black hair that cascades down her back to cover the high back of the chair she sits in. On either side of that hair, a large ornament of some kind sits, perhaps of ivory. Then, as you're trying to analyze the danger she presents, the Servant speaks."I'm so, so glad that you've come, Saber." Her voice is soft, almost inaudible, as if she can barely stand the effort of speaking. "I've been hoping to, well, to see you. Please sit down, won't you?" She gestures at the chair opposite her, at the other end of the narrow table, with a pair of long silver chopsticks. As the Servant speaks you notice that the rhythm of her words is odd as well. She speaks very slowly, as if carefully picking each word, and periodically pauses even longer in mid-sentence.'Stay well away from that room, Miss Ayaka,' you order your Master telepathically. 'It's too dark for you to see, right? Just stay well back, and I'll keep the Servant from approaching you.''Alright,' Ayaka answers nervously, and softly backs away into the living room as you approach the offered seat. You drop yourself heavily into it, armor clanking raucously, but if the violation of her silence disturbs the Servant she doesn't show it. Now that you're fully in the room, your eyes adjust and it's easier to make out the details of your quarry. Her face reminds you of a doll's: exquisitely beautiful, a contrast of china-white skin, black lashes, ruby-red lips, and iridescent, almost luminous eyes; but fixed with an emotionless, vacant expression. Adding to the artificial impression is the fact that the ornaments you'd previously noticed are in fact a pair of large, forward-pointing horns. Her clothing, too, is richly ornamental. She wears black silk gloves, tied at the wrists with white bows. White lace adorns the furisode's long sleeves, and affixed to it are many more ornate bows of blue, red, and gold ribbons, which look almost like large flowers. On the plate in front of her, though, is something quite unfitting for a doll's diet: dark red meat, raw and thinly sliced as if for yakiniku, rising out of a shallow pool of blood like pasta out of a cream sauce."You have me at a disadvantage, miss. You have some familiarity with me, but it is not mutual," you say, keeping your tone conversational. As if you'd met this girl by coincidence, instead of hunting her down over a string of murders.
"Fufufu," the other Servant titters quietly, her small mouth managing the faintest of upward curves in suggestion of mirth. "I am Caster, but it would be, ah, hardly appropriate to say we are... unfamiliar. You have been the, ah, Master of Caster before, and you knew me at that time. But then, we did have different... names. And features.""You were in the Akeldama?" You can only ask in disbelief. But then something about her face suddenly does seem familiar. There's a hint in the features of another face. An awkward, perpetually unhappy and nervous face, masked by glasses and long, greasy hair. "Don't tell me...""P-p-perhaps it would, ah, h-help you to, er, remember," the Servant says, still with that tiny, barely visible smile, "if I t-took on my former, um, mode of speech?" Now the words aren't slowly chosen, but stuttered out quickly, with the pauses accompanied by placeholder sounds to make sure the other person doesn't cut into the line during a moment of silence. It all clicks."Ogawara-kun," you cry in shock, utterly taken aback, "But you-how-""Now, now," Caster says, returning to 'her' soft, slow tone. "We have different names now, don't we? I have not called you Yumigawa-san, have I?""No, but I would've expected you to," you reply. "Why?""Different names," Caster says, "for different people. There are... others entitled to those names. I know the term Caster has some... sentimental meaning for you, of course. If you would prefer, I shall call you Alberich and you may call me Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime; but it is a bit of a... mouthful.""Names aren't so important," you say firmly, now starting to grow angry. "What matters is that you explain something to me!">[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)>[ ] "Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3633455>"Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)this is not how we raised you ogawara
>>3633455>>[ ] "Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)
>>3633451Yep. Is it supposed to be Wisdom Up or something?
>>3633451I decided to put a notifier on the entries that get updated in a status update from now on, and IIRC WisUp was what F/SN used.
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)Fucking hell
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)Is it wrong that I still want to kill and absorb this servant
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)While the other question is easy to answer with "to survive". I'm not sure why he became a servant. All the power of the ritual should have gone to Alberich.
>>3633473C'mon, we were just considering IC the usefulness of consuming all of Tokyo. What's one former ally added to the pile?
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)Well I didn't expect some idle talk from last thread to materialize itself.
>>3633496Well, I'm not entirely sure what our plan is with this new revelation.
Incidentally, here are the two latest additions to the voice cast:Berserker: Furukawa MakotoYōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime (Caster): Noto Mamiko
>>3633478And how did a normal human become a Servant?I'm now starting to think Yumigawa, Matsuda, Ogawara and Keiseki were all copies, and Judas was either having them all compete to see which one would get to be his replacement or ensuring that he would have backups in the event that we died for real.
>>3633507Get Ogawara on our side. Having a good Caster is really useful and we already have enough servants to fill the grail. Setting up some way to use the leylines would really help.>>3633514Yes, but then how did this ritual gain power when it just invested power to create copies and sacrificed them to gain the same power back?And what the hell would happen with the servants left at the end?
>>3633529If we somehow become at best on neutral terms, are we going to have to beat the crap out of anyone that decided to lewd them, or possibly even handholding?
Wait, what if because we didn't sacrifice Circe and Adelheid Judas just channeled their power into Ogawara and maybe someone else?
>>3633455>[ ] "Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)...He doesn't have a Master, does he?
>>3633553Judas seemed incapable of directly killing someone with Akeldama. The entire reason for why we needed to kill each other was that he couldn't just take the power of people and channel it into others.
>>3633507Dinner's canceled. Let's just try to get along with her. Him? Whatever. Anyways, I'm expecting WALLS of exposition from Judas later on.>>3633512>Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime (Caster): Noto MamikoOh boy. I can't stop hearing Hayami Saori everytime I try to read her lines.>>3633559She shouldn't be, isn't that why she's killing these people? Besides, Judas' spot was already filled by us. But does this leaves her or any other rogue servants being able to be claimed by Rider's master?
>>3633577>She shouldn't be, isn't that why she's killing these people? Besides, Judas' spot was already filled by us. But does this leaves her or any other rogue servants being able to be claimed by Rider's master?That would be funny. Akagata preparing an ambush with him and it turns into a bloodbatch for her since Circe/Adelheid/Matsuda decide they don't like this turn of events much.
>>3633577>Hayami SaoriInteresting. She'd also be a very good candidate, I can definitely see why you'd read it that way. Now I'm torn...>Dinner's canceledIf you ask nicely, Kōrakuhime might share some dinner with you.
>>3633606I only picked her because you casted Noto Mamiko and I have difficulties in differentiating the two. No pressure.>Yōjinshi-no-KōrakuhimeAnyways, you mind telling us where you took this from? Or maybe it's too revealing for now? Can't find anything on Google or DDG
Anons, just consider this for a moment. Sweets clearly displayed that he thought up the OgawaraAsAServant route, and here we are. You know what else Sweets did? Directly ask us, the anons, what class Matsuda would hypothetically be in if he ascended to servanthood. You get what I'm getting at here?
>>3633622At this point it's a rather obvious fact that Matsuda would be a servant too.
>>3633622So instead of reuniting with our waifus, we're gonna meet our old bros instead? I can't be fully mad at this, damn you Judas.
>>3633618I wrote it from scratch. Ogawara came up with it. It's just as chuuni as you'd expect from a name (s)he invented. Here's the original: 妖神死の紅楽姫
>>3633628The question: is he Lancer or Basakah?
>>3633455Also holy shit, I didn't expect to get trapped this way.>[ ] "Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)
>>3633455And we're off to a rollicking good start! >[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)Matsuda might be kicking around somewhere since he was also part of the chargen options.Kikuko and Truvi though, ho boy.
Shit, I just realized that Ogawara is an oni. Our life might not be the only thing in danger.
>>3633670>Kikuko and Truvi though, ho boy.If Kikuko has become a servant too then our brainwashing her is really going to pay off.
>>3633677So how tall/short are they compared to us?
>>3633635I'm probably wrong but does it mean Comforting Crimson Princess of The Bewitching Death God(ess)?Fuck me, that's embarrassing to write.
>>3633553So you're saying Judas might've turned Circe into a trap? Unforgivable.
>>3633635>>3633685from a fren who's good at moon
>>3633638I sincerely hope he's Lancer so that he's not fucking nuts when we meet him. Knowing this quest, though...>>3633670>Kikuko and Truvi though, ho boy.I don't think those two were copies, and since turning people into Servants requires people juice, I fear for their lives.>>3633685Using Google-fu and what little I've picked up of the Japanese language over the years, I think the gist of the meaning is something like Picnic Princess of Smoldering Death (I feel your pain, that hurts to type), which explains the burnt houses and dinner. But I don't actually know Japanese, so take this with a grain of salt.
>>3633684(S)He Ranked A in the last thread, remember?
>>3633716His Mad Enhancement could be just E.
>>3633712short addendum: >Though depends on context, 妖 can be calamity or bewitching>>3633716Exactly, we really need to have a talk witth Judas about the specifics of Akeldama.
Seriously though, did Ogawara's change into becoming an oni really make him that bloodthirsty?
>>3633685You're missing some nuance. Like all properly chuuni names it's all branch meanings and branch readings.妖 - Yō - Bewitching or Calamity. Here used for both. First kanji in yokai.神 - jin - Read as a word, means god. As a kanji, can also refer to the soul or mind. A heroic spirit is ambiguous.死 - shi - Death, of course.の - no - Means "of" (though reversed from the english version) in proper JP, but also an archaic particle linking a name together as with von. Taira-no-Kiyomori is a classic example. Since Caster has no family, what (s)he was thinking is dubious.紅 - Kō - Crimson.楽 - raku - Used here in secondary meaning, music. Also the final kanji in camelia, the flowers Caster wears.姫 - hime - TL note: hime means princess.Altogether, Bewitching divinity of calamitous death, Kōrakuhime!
>>3633733Very likely yes. Oni are the fucking worst
>>3633733If it's eat people or die, I think most will accept the soul munching.
>>3633712>>3633731Oh, I see I needn't have explained.
Where's his master?
>>3633755lightning round Oni-offwho hits al's strike zone the most, shuten ibaraki or ogawara
>>3633712>>3633716>>3633742>Kōrakuhime means KōrakuhimeGoddammit. But yeah, I get the gist now. Guess that's what we're calling her.
>>3633764trick question, correct answer is "threesome"
>>3633767I spelled out the individual kanji meanings for you! I'd translate the whole thing as something like "crimson princess' song," but that's not very name-like.
>>3633775"Crimson Camelia Princess"?
>>3633775Does melodic works? >>3633779 sounds pretty good as well.
>>3633764ONI THOTS BEGONE, DEATH TO YOU AND YOUR FILTHY KIND IS DESERVED>>3633773>Lewding disgusting oni>Lewding disgusting LOLI ONIAnon you're going to deep into degeneracy
>>3633779>>3633783"Crimson Camelia Princess" and "Crimson Singing Princess" would both work, sure. Double meanings are the beauty of kanji.Anyway, you get the idea. Long chuuni name with way too many meaningful characters.
>>3633684In the Akeldama, Ogawara was already a few inches shorter than Yumigawa, and you've gotten taller since while Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime has grown shorter.
Now that I think about it, Kōrakuhime is a Caster so she might be more rational than the other oni. Keyword: might. By the way, Sweets, are we going to end up asking both questions either way?
>>3633800But is it a cute height difference, though?
>>3633800I M A G I N E
>>3633789calm your tits raikou, jeez
>>3633805>>3633814The codex does not approve of this line of thinking
>>3633819ONI BONES, MAKE SERVANT HOMES
This is fucked. We're just one of several of Judas' "heroes" made by Akeldama. The others just rode our coat-tails to survive and benefited from our hard earned victory. We should reclaim the power they stole from us.
>>3633638>>3633716If Matsuda really does end up as Berserker, just pray we get to him in time before some asshat decides to use Mad Enhancement. Otherwise, we'll just have to be forced to put him out of his misery (assuming of course, that he doesn't just become super focused on something rather than a raving lunatic).
>>3633878>Keiseki is the only planned hero to have not make it out. Poor guy, he picked a fight with us and now his head is a soccer ball.
>>3633839Leave me alone, Raikou. I didn't even clear the shop on your stupid 95-raid event.
>>3633918Oni didn't take All your senses, limbs, voice and skin from you my senpai
>>3633801The most important thing is which subject matters most to Alberich.
>>3633933Then I'm going to switch >>3633646 to the Pride option.
>>3633455>[ ] "Why are you traveling through Tokyo slaughtering families?" (Compassion)May as well get an idea to figure out if s/he has a master based on this since we could ask Judas himself how it came to be later.I honestly wasn't expecting this to happen, shit since Truvi made it out and didn't become Caster what class would she appear as then?
>>3633764I thought about this for a while, and I'm going to have to say Ibaraki. Only when ranking looks, though.>>3633789>LOLI ONII also have this loli-oni-slayer, if you prefer.>>3633805Of course it's a cute height difference. You think I do non-cute height differences?I don't know what height difference you think is cute, so I really can't say.
>>3633956I think a whole head's difference is my bare minimum.
>>3633947You raise a good point. I'm switching back to Compassion.
>>3633960Well then, you are in luck.
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)Oh, I was more expecting some strong Lancer but this is so much better.Matsuda and Keiseki will probably be a thing too, won`t they? Hoping for Seigi no Mikata Matsuda Berserker and Assassin Keiseki in search for meaning of live next.
>>3634000Don`t Dream Crusher EX me like that, Anon. There is still hope.
>>3634009>he dreams of keiseki being aliveDie, traitor!
>>3634012>Not wanting to kill Keiseki again
I'm sure Ogawara's still shy, even though he's an oni, so my prior concerns about our chastity are probably unwarranted.
>>3634023Not to mention during the Akeldama, we tried to get him hooked up with a girl. This is certainly going to be awkward.
>>3634033>spoilerBut we didn't, we tried to work on his... confidence...
>>3634012>Not wanting Hassan of the Hundred Faces-esque faceless salaryman Assassin to spook everyone in this grail war only to get cheap shoted by us the moment he encounters us again face to faceIt is like you can`t handle the fun things, Anon.
>>3634040>Hassan of the Hundred Faces-esque faceless salaryman AssassinKeiseki embodying the concept of the "faceless salaryman"? He'd die of overwork firstbe a pretty interesting opponent, I guess.
>>3634036Like a true friend. I'm sure you're looking forward to seeing how your work has paid off.
>>3634075>went from tomoko to rikkaThat's an improvement, alright.
>>3634075So for soundalikes is she now more Altera, Shishou, Bryn, or Fujino?
>>3634111Refer to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_A6fU7aiXs
Well.This was highly unexpected. >[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)This Grail War is fucked.FUCKED.
So.What are the odds that Ogawara and Matsuda became servants and Kikuko and Truvi contracted with our prior servants.*SUDDENLY CASTER IS SUMMONED* sure would be a family emergency. Seriously though Ogawara what the fuck.
>>3634147>thinking Kiku and Truvi made it outanon...
>>3634147He read too much edgy isekai LNs.
>>3634155>thinking they didn't Anon...
Dunno if this is too spoilery to answer, but>Akeldama War went smoothly>Only one Hero candidate survived and didn't kill JudasWould Vaisset just have had two servants to use straight up?
>>3633455Sweets, are you not capable of going one thread without another game-changing revelation? Not that I mind. I somewhat expected *something* else from the Akeldama to survive but-Fuck It. If Caster doesn't have a Master, would they like one? ...Or would that just end with Caster ganking Ayaka, oh I can't tell.>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)
>>3634173It's why I went for the compassion vote honestly, discern whether or not they're eating people due to not having a master to supply mana or there is a master who just happens to be a callous asshole.Still if we can't exactly prevent changing their mind to actually go for having a Master then that begs a question. What exactly happens to the Servant affected by Ayaka's ritual when it goes to us? Are they just in our inner mind/soul hanging out with Judas right now? Turned into power fuel? I'd imagine since we took on Durandal from Roland there'd be something that'd resemble him lingering aroundWe got A LOT of shit to be questioning Judas about now, once this fight is over we need to have a talk with the silverman
>>3634182>this fightFight?I mean, unless Ogawara has a death sentence, she won't do shit.Magical Barriers don't like working on space fucking anti-world shit.
>>3634186>death sentence Death wish. But Caster vs Saber close range is typically a Death Sentence for Caster.
>>3634186I say fight due to it being a possibility really, I do worry of what the Emiya family are gonna think of this. Well then again Rider ate plenty of people so who the hell are they to judge we bring in our own person eater?Shit the Apocrypha war of Team Alberich vs. The World is gonna actually happen isn't it?
>>3634195I just realised, if we get both our servants back, recruit Ogawara and Matsuda and corrupt Saber...Our team is fucking unbalanced as fuck 2 Sabers2 Casters2 Berserkers
>>3634198I'd prefer to gyp Saber in all honest, but I do see benefit to corrupting her. You know if Truvi also came back to the world as a Servant with Circe with her, what class would she fall into?
>>3634202Caster.She's a magus.And it's more likely that Circe is her servant and she's still human.
>>3634182Well all of the normal servant slots are taken, so then If they do have a master they're an extra themselves.God, It Isn't something stupid like she's found Outer Yumigawa and made a contract with him Is It? Sweets said we'd meet the guy, with rogue servants littering the war he's gotta be a Master of somebody.
>>3634206>contracting the outer version of us.>not contracting yourselfHow dare she.
>>3634202>>3634204Pseudo-Servant with Circe.
>>3634211>Pseudo-Servant Truvi and KikukoOh shit.
>>3634215>Kikuko>inb4 she's possessed by archer
>>3634220She'd be possessed by Adelheid.
>>3634215Hold on Anon that's too much>Psuedo Servant Truvi and Goddess Circe>Psuedo Servant Kikuko and Reich's Fuhrer Adelheid
>>3634220Someone post the reference image for KikukoI need it for...reasons
...So if Kourakuhime here was also created by Akeldama...Does that mean...We're her brother?
>>3634226No idea, but I do want to find out what everyone of the Akeldama gang Servants are capable of. Also to see if Keiseki is worth eating at all
>>3634236Keiseki is dead, anon.Super dead. He failed in his trial to become a hero.
>>3634237Oh Anon you poor innocent boy, vengeance is a powerful motivator to become a Servant
>>3634226>little sister is a Hikki NEET demon who has taken to eating people Probably has true name discernment too, if her skills are based on Akeldama.
>>3634242No it's not. You can't just die and expect to become a Servant. He never saw his death coming, not like he cursed his own death.Yumi didn't become a Servant in any of the bad ends.
>>3634246Well she did call us Alberich.
>>3634251Yeah, but we've been fairly loose with telling it to people.
>>3634246Maybe she just used some magecraft of some kind. If becoming a Saber can give us swordsmanship, it can give Kourakuhime some knowledge of magecraft (maybe Judas knows some?)
>>3634254None of the people we've given our name would have any reason to tell Kourakuhime.
>>3634260She is Caster. She can likely scry.
>>3634261Of course but he means what ELSE can s/he do?
>>3634263Cook, shitpost on anonymous imageboards, do bonus damage against other females, Video Games Mastery C++ and Wisdom of Drawn Worlds A++.
The real question is if we should call her our little sister for a critical hit.
>>3634281get on my level anon
>>3634298>>3634281Stop It, at this rate you're going to make Archer coming back real.>>3634296That'd be fun and even fitting, but then by that logic We'd have to call Judas 'Daddy'.
>>3634296"I am sorry I was such a failure of an Elder Brother that you, my innocent little sister, resorted to cannibalism and squatting. I promise that from now one no schemes of our father will stop me from setting things right."
>>3634296>>3634319That might just end up setting her upon us.
>>3634320Oh no.How terrible.
>>3634322Yes? I want to at least stay pure until we get Circe and Adelheid back.
>>3634318Since he was a sacrifice and now part of us it is more likely that we would just temporary summon makeshift of him for assist from leftover parts.
>>3634322>Either we get a Servant as an ally, or we bait her Into giving us a free powerupThis Is the power of 400 IQ, gentlemen.
>>3634323"Ayaka we need to run! Caster is trying to sexually assault me!""Wha-"
>>3634325>actively wanting to kill Ogawara
>>3634331>actively caring about Ogawara
>>3634358>not caring about your little sister
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)God if Circe is in his(her?) body like Judas is in our I'm gonna be so peeved!
>>3634361>little sisterShe's exactly as old as us.
>>3634363The worst case scenario.Let's hope that doesn't come to pass.
>>3634371And what's best case scenario?Because Psuedo Servant Goddess Circe and Psuedo Servant Adelheid along with Kōrakuhime and whatever the fuck Matsuda is right now sounds pretty optimal.Even it it's a lot of mouths to feed.
>>3633455>[ ] "How is it that you've become a Servant?" (Pride)>daughter is a hikki NEET>second son is a blood thirsty delinquent with attitude>oldest son is a sociopathic loliconPoor judas, being a single dad is a demanding and thankless job
>>3634399Anon, what he means is that Circe might be a part of his core like Judas is a part of ours.
>>3634399Yeah that's probably the best case scenario.Worst case is if they are in Ogawara and Matsuda with little influence.Best case is if they've been contracted to Kikuko and Truvi or have possessed them with full control.Gee Alberich, how come Judas lets you have FOUR servants?
>>3634405It was a hole of his own digging. He should've known he was headed for trouble when he decided to raise his family in a devastated city in the middle of his pocket reality.
>>3634405>meanwhile Matsuda is dismantling Yakuza rings as revenge for his friend using his newfound superpowers.
>>3634409>Gee Alberich, how come Judas lets you have FOUR servants?Strong dad of the year candidate right here.
>>3634413And they thought the Einzbern were the cheaters.This is why the Caster Class should be banned from grail wars.
>>3634405We really do make an interesting bunch huh?Man now you got me excited to get the boys back together! [The Boys are Back in Town muffled in the background]>>3634407And what I MEAN is that while what you said would suck as I said before, Circe and Adelheid taking over Truv and Kikuko's bodies would be amazing.>>3634409I'm trying so hard to curb my enthusiasm, but the possibilities!Is this the power of Dream Crusher EX?
>>3634415"Are Ya Winning, Son?"
>>3634412>matsuda escaped from akeldama as a berserker>he has no idea where everyone is so he goes to beat up yakuza for information>he runs into goons from the fujimura group who are tailing taiga so she doesn't get into trouble with rival gangs>he ends up making friends with taiga, who is there to visit shirou, and goes with her>he finds alberich and korakuhime
>>3634417Theoretical FGO villain Alberich isn't just a dream now.His team>Kōrakuhime >Matsuda (name pending)>Saber Alter>Adelheid inhabiting Kikuko>Circe (divinity restored) inhabiting Truvi, with Goddess' divine core and EX Magical Energy>Alberich after eating almost every Servant in this war and mastering his magic Now the real question is who is 4* and who is 5*?
Isn't it a little early to assume that Ogawara is still a trustworthy ally? Surely he's got his own motivations.
>>3634438>heRude. Our cute demon sister won't betray us, I hope. She merely has to accept us as her older brother, and her king.
>>3634438Maybe we would know if we ask him why he's eating people. So far the vote count is at 5/11 (C/P)
>>3634438I'm not assuming anything. I want to find out how he became a Servant, what he's been doing and why he's roasting and eating people.
>>3634446>>3634447I bet he's eating people because he's an Oni and he's a masterless servant, so he needs to get his energy from elsewhere or he'll disappear.
>>3634438It's unlikely that he isn't at least fond of us. His interaction until now showed it.But even should this not be the case we are almost guaranteed to be stronger than her, since we were the hero of Akeldama and we absorbed a servant since getting out and we have a master.
>>3634438Ogawara-Kōrakuhime seems to be hit pretty hard by ego death and mostly operates on instincts of a new oni body (wanton killing and arson). From our short talk it is already seems that our Extra Caster is pretty eager to met us and still struggling with new self. Diplomacy road looks pretty possible and plausible so far.
>>3634446That wouldn't really tell us anything besides why he killed random people. The answer to that is almost certainly to survive without a master.Not something that tells us much besides that he has an existent self-preservation instinct.
Waotif we keep Kōrakuhime around our entire relationship with the emiyas will become a huge juggling act wouldn't?May be best to break off our alliance once berserker is down
>>3634446>Alberich on the way here: "I could really go for the magical energy of 36 million people right about now."I don't think we're in any position to scold her.
>The miracles born by your Heiligöffnungschwert are the Three Miracles of the Gate and the Key."The voice pauses for a moment, perhaps for dramatic effect, before listing off in jubilant tones, "The power to cut through the boundaries between the worlds, to project from itself openings to Our realm! To bring into your world and sustain there in spite of its vile physical laws the impossibilities which in Our world, by Our authority, are possible! To make real in your world the Nothingness and Void from which you were born, and which are there condemned to be Imaginary Elements!">To bring into your world and sustain there in spite of its vile physical laws the impossibilities which in Our world, by Our authority, are possible!I wonder if this miracle of HGS could be used to help sustain a Servant's existence in the real world as well.
>>3634475Maybe if we asked the gods really nicely.
>>3634475I'm still hoping to get it to EX rank.Maybe if we appease a Smithing God Sustaining Servants though...I don't know.
>>3634475>by Our authorityMmm
>>3634483It's fine, we just need to eat Achilles and channel his divinity into HOS. What could go wrong?
>>3634475It should work. In the worst case we can still become hime's master and provide the mana with our Mana B rank stat.
>>3634488Seems like a waste.We likely just need to impress/empower the gods to level it up to EX.
>>3634489That's really not how it works. At all.
>>3634495>That's really not how it works.A bit of explanation would be nice you know?It's not exactly a big topic in what I watched from fate, but I'm sure servants can provide mana though we might lack command seals.
>>3634504We're already a mana drain on our master, so if we shared any with another servant we'd be weaker and/or just putting more strain on Ayaka.
>>3634507Yes, but the drain should be shared with the grail and she shouldn't get the full cost.
>>3634504A Servant can't be a Master.Medea managed it by fucking around with the system and by being Medea.Her Assassin wasn't even a proper assassin because of this.And we rely on Ayaka for magical energy.
>>3634511Sure, but they can provide mana which is what we need. The command seals are a good power up, but not necessary for us to have a useful ally.
>>3634510That wouldn't matter, you're still heaping on even more mana drainFucking hell, people have died from the mana drain before
>>3634516It does matter a lot. If it's well within the strain she can take and with caster we can look into getting something working with the leylines too.
>>3634512Command spells are necessary though. Read the VN.
>>3634512Servants are always a drain on some source of mana. They would never provide a net gain of mana. I don't know what you're talking about
>>3634489Servants aren't supposed to be Masters.>>3634490pfft, nah, no way
>>3634519>Command spells are necessary though.Caster seems to manage well enough without command seals right now.>>3634520>Servants are always a drain on some source of mana.To clarify the sentence was a servant can provide mana to another servant.
>>3634520Unless she hooks up to a Leyline.But that will quickly get attention. I wonder what the bad luck is about...
>>3634510Sharing the drain is necessary just to be able to live. Remember, it took our Servant-level Od stories to support both Circe and Adelheid; if we gave Ayaka another Servant, it would leave her bedridden for the rest of the War unless she knew how to draw more Mana from the leyline.
>>3634523Caster forged fake command spells for Kojiro.
>>3634523>Caster seems to manage well enough without command seals right now.She's not a Master.Masters need command spells.She's surviving by hunting and killing people, and at this rate she's going to attract attention from Antaglio.
>>3634524Right, that's why I like the idea of hooking servants up to the IR via HGS as an energy source to sustain them. It should go unnoticed by the overseer and it gives us a position of power over them since we can supply them energy or cut them off if they get uppity.
>>3634525Good that hime most likely knows how to do that.>>3634526I'm talking about hime here not Medea. She's not dead so using kisses like in Akeldama should be possible.
>>3634528Oh right yeah, and this too.You can't contract with a Servant without command spells.Medea proves it.
>>3634529HOS drains energy to access the IN Realm. Any gain from there would be lesser than the drain from forming and holding the opening.Not to mention Alberich doesn't know how to do something like that, Ayaka probably doesn't know either, and HOS may not even have that power.>>3634530>using kissesNo.
>>3634530If Hime knows how to use Leylines she wouldn't be going around literally eating people.Or somebody else has set up at the Leyline and forced her away.But only Circe should be knowledgeable enough to do that.
>>3634535Maybe. But the god really emphasized that the miracles of HGS run off of their power, which might mean that it doesn't use much of our own energy.
>>3634538She might have been forced away which is easy since she had no mana supply as a caster, but should be a lot harder if we clear the space.
>>3634542There shouldn't be anyone around capable of Medea-ing the Leylines though. Unless Circe is laying low and using them I don't see what could have convinced Hime to go around eating families.
>>3634540It means the miracles are granted by them, and its description notes that Alberich exerts his miraculous power "by expending a great deal of energy".
>>3634549It doesn't need to be someone using the leyline. Just someone deciding they don't want a caster to set up on a leyline.Or maybe Hime didn't even try for fear of meeting a servant, because currently even Assassin might kill her.
>>3634549>There shouldn't be anyone around capable of Medea-ing the Leylines though.The Einzberns might be doing it.Or, as >>3634455 noted, she might be overwhelmed by her Oni instincts telling her to eat people since she's hungry.
I want to know how the fuck she knows our name. And why she's acting so smug. Damn NEET, instead of getting a job working as a Servant she's just going around eating people. Get a job, imouto-chan.
>>3634551Ah shit you're right. If we're lucky it's just a large initial energy cost but there's only one way to find out
>Desire goes up by three after seeing KōrakuhimeAlberich what are you thinking man
>>3634575I would say that your guess earlier about skills being based on Akeldama is probably correct. Since it makes the most sense given that we know and already set precedent with our own skills.
>>3634596hate to pop your cherry, baby, but we don't stick our dick in crazy before the third date
NOT GAY IF ONI.
>>3634589>The only things we had Kōrakuhime do in the Akeldama was cook and research the names of enemy servantsMan, I hope we can take control of this super utility servant somehow. I doubt Ayaka can manage a second servant, but man....
>>3634607 #We also had him play dress up.She might have a shapeshifter skill.
>>3634610Oh what in the name of fuck.>Oni Kind Demon (鬼種の魔, Oni-shu no Ma?) is a Skill that represents the superpower as well as the demonic nature of an Oni. Only Oni and mixed-race beings with Oni blood can acquire this skill. A mixed Skill of Natural Monster, Monstrous Strength, Charisma, Mana Burst, etc. The version of Mana Burst depends on the user, but it is usually 'Heat'.
>>3634618This is a skill all the FGO Oni have.
>>3634618Her rank is probably B, maybe A if she's a full-blooded Oni.
>>3634623So if we're forced to kill her in the end and she has the skill, taking this skill (if we tell Ayaka to set up the ritual) might make us an Oni.That might not be so good.
>>3634625>killing one of our actual for realsies friendsAnon no
>>3634647First Kōrakuhime-chan, next all of Tokyo!
>>3634647Friends is a strong word to be fair
>possibly 5 extra servants, 4 of which are aligned to extra SaberAntaglios gonna freak!But yeah, it's possible that Truvi is contracted with one of our Servants now.Be that a Pseudo-Servant contract or a normal one.It's a perfect reason for Luvia to be called back from shutting down the war if the Edelfelts actually get to compete. Kikuko is also possibly contracted.
>>3634671Well, it's the second closest thing Alberich has to a friend, other than Matsuda.Also the second person Alberich ever met.Also, she's technically his sister.
>>3634676>sister>implying Alberich wants to imitate the pathetic human concept of a familyAlberich is beyond such things
>>3634672>inb4 this war turns into some massive team battle where it's ~six of the normally-summoned servants versus Alberich, Bahsaka Matsuda, Kōrakuhime, and the EmiyasSweets wouldn't do that, right?>>3634676Look, Alberich is a hero. Killing friends, sisters, people near and dear to childhoods? That's 100% hero shit senpai.
>>3634684No.Alberich will protect all of his little sisters.>>3634686>Six of the normally summoned ServantsHa! Make that 5. Thanks for the sword Roland. But honestly, turning this war into a team effort would be a mess.Protecting our siblings is non negotiable.
>>3634684Even the Gods had families anon.Nothing wrong with a group of individuals coming together to provide support for each other.
>>3634686Also>not putting Adelheid and Circe on our teamWe've got confirmation that we aren't the only survivor, they will return to us.
>>3634704>implying they aren't already by our sideWhere do you think we got our noble phantasms from anon?Our dad turned our waifus into weapons so that they may always serve us
>>3634716>Where do you think we got our noble phantasms from anon?We got Kenótis from the cape Circe made, so that theory thankfully falls flat.
>>3634716>>3634718Yeah and we got our Minds Eye C from the gloves.If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say we shared the 6 servants. 2 for us are the two we just happen to be able to attempt a NP replication of (Archer and Rider)
>>3634721I feel like we ought to have any of Justinian (definite since we're Saber), Cunt Eastwood, Perseus and Robin Hood in us, seeing as those classes were what we had.Where do you think our skill with the sword came from, if not Justinian?
>>3634761>hadCould have had, rather.we might have them maybe once we reach the throne
>>3634761>>3634763>Alberich gets all the male servants>Kōrakuhime got Circe's power, which turned him into the fe(male) caster>Matsuda got Adelheid's power, which maybe turned him into a fe(male) Berserker
>>3634783>which maybe turned him into a fe(male) Berserker>Sukeban-serker representing burning spirit of youth.Probably way too cheese to actually happen.
>>3634783Whatever happened to our servants, they weren't absorbed. I think.Man I hope Truvi is contracted(and isn't dead) to Adelheid/Circe and is on her way to Tokyo.The fucking look on her face when she sees Berserker(?) Matsuda, Kōrakuhime and Alberich all as servants will be incomparable.>"What the fuck why didn't I get to become a Servant and random Japanese Highschoolers did?"
>>3634783>a fe(male) BerserkerNo.Matsuda doesn't deserve that.
I seriously hope Matsuda is taking this as an opportunity to beat up Yakuza thugs.
>>3634824I seriously hope Matsuda has met Taiga by now.
>>3634824That would certainly be a fun explanation about whats keep Antaglio occupied at the moment.
>>3634844Well as long as he's staying out of trouble and isn't eating children.I can't believe Orphan Juice rebranded as Newly Orphaned Juice, I think I preferred the chunk free recipe too.I guess times were hard for them after Gilgamesh got himself eaten by a pissed off orphan.Four kids in this house alone. I feel like we're glossing over that.Kōrakuhime would be totally in character asking Shirou how many breads he has eaten.
>>3634854Full list of fuckery that will give Antaglio a heart attack if he reads it:>caster is judas iscariot>judas held a grail war inside the grail war>judas replaced himself with another saber who didn't exist before the inner war>false saber ate a piece of rider and made his np better>false saber is collaborating with outsiders to stop the war>judas actually made three new heroes>the gnostics were right
>>3634895Don't forget that there might be an Ex Goddess and Literally Hitler ready to get involved in the war too.It's just It's just all kinds of fucked.Nobody on the Masters sides even tried to break the war this time.It was all that prick Judas.Even when everyone plays fair it still breaks.
>>3634870>I can't believe Orphan Juice rebranded as Newly Orphaned Juice, I think I preferred the chunk free recipe too.>I guess times were hard for them after Gilgamesh got himself eaten by a pissed off orphan.bro, you should try Homunculus Soda, it's an eco-friendly substitute that uses only mindless homunculi instead of orphans>Four kids in this house alone. I feel like we're glossing over that.Of course we are. They couldn't have been very important if they weren't even named.>Kōrakuhime would be totally in character asking Shirou how many breads he has eaten.alberich holds exclusive monopoly over all jojo references, sorry
>>3634910>Nobody on the Masters sidesExcept the Einzberns.
>>3634910>It was all that prick Judas.It's like he saw the history of the war and said "You summoned all the world's evil into the grail? I'm gonna do one better!"
>>3634910Anyone starting to miss the Akeldama? At least that was simpler (relatively) than what we're doing right now.
>>3634910>hold another HGW with a new grail because the old one is fucked beyond belief>immediately gets ruined by some guy who told his servant to upgrade himself without hearing the specifics
But what if we empower Kōrakuhime with another Servant kill, make her copy Akeldama and do another Akeldama to improve our chances of victory in this war?
>>3634281I'm not gonna lie, this was hilarious.>>3634318>spoilerDad Ajisartous>>3634575>I want to know why she's acting so smug>Damn NEETAnswered your own question, anon.>>3634586I just hadn't updated the emotion stats in the last couple of days. There were three events that drove it up by 1. One of those was meeting Kōrakuhime.>>3634956This is why Caster should be banned.
>"I want to see a nice clean grail war, where you 7 servants battle to the death until there's a single victor, good lu-">"DID SOMEBODY ORDER EXTRA SERVANTS?">"JUDAS NO!">"DID SOMEBODY ORDER A FACTION WITH THEIR OWN EXTRA SERVANT TRYING TO SHUT THE WAR DOWN?"Etc.There might be Extra Extra Servants if Adelheid and Circe around.Extra Extra Berserker and Extra Extra Caster.What an absolute fucking meme of a grail war.
>>3635017Y'know it's funny how much chaos Akeldama made and how nonchalant Vaisset was about activating it>hey i can get a power boost if i sacrificed 1000 souls>yeah sure>10 threads later
>>3635010>this is why Caster should be bannedBut think of their great record!>Gilles tried to kill the entire city>Medea kills her Master and then tries her hardest to fuck with the grail What a great class, where nothing could go wrong! It's not like the class explicitly able to summon Servants better at magecraft than the 3 founding families could be a bad thing!How did the Caster class even get through the first brainstorm.
>>3635029I mean that Mastercide was justified.
>>3635029Actually, having all Servants as Casters would incredibly fit the image of lazy mages. Don't know how to access the Root? Summon someone, threaten them to die and watch them go trying to hack the process for you. Incredibly convenient!
>>3635065>threaten your Caster with deathThe problem with this is that they can just as easily kill you with a word.And they would.
>>3635075I suppose as long as important magical science gets done, it barely matters. It's not like the current process is safe and goes without any sacrifices.
>>3635084You really think summoning 7 of the most bullshit class would be safe?Casters are typically the weakest against the other classes but nightmarishly strong against humans.
>>3635097I think that for the purposes of finding bullshit magical source it would be much more convenient. Either it all goes horribly wrong pretty much immediately and no one ever tries it again or some combination of bullshit from each respective Caster used creatively will solve that problem in a couple of days at the cost of one destroyed neighborhood and most of the summoners, after which who cares about the cost because bullshit magical source is achieved and mages can fuck things up much faster now.
I hope our new sister doesn't arbitrarily come up with some lame excuse to fight us.Unless she wants to die.Lucky for her we're one of the few Servants that wouldn't react to this with disgust and instantly attacking.She seemed happy to see us though. Better pledge your allegiance to us Kōrakuhime, I don't wish to kill you.
>>3635017Is there a singular caster that doesn't attempt to throw the grail war off the rails?Even the author caster fuck shit up
>>3635163I'm pretty sure murdering his master counts
>>3635182He was manipulated into it by some absolute megabullshit.Then he felt really bad about it.
>>3635182I'm also pretty sure a few Servants have always wanted to murder their masters
>>3635010Thanks! I could probably whip up a full body edit of Clintuko if you want
>>3635241Thanks, but no thanks. Best to leave it as a one-off joke, I think.
It's a good thing that the Emiyas aren't with us for this.Shirou would've had a fucking fit and done something stupid and explodey.
>>3635400You know it. The question now is, how are you going to protect Kōrakuhime from the Emiyas?
>>3635409By not telling them about her (him). >"The killings are over because I, Alberich, have dealt with the servant involved"Simple as.
>>3635409Well, until we know her full situation here, we can't really plan anything.I can't imagine she was anything but relieved that the Servant that showed up wasn't one that would instantly attack and was in fact somebody she knew.Unless she's been scrying.
>>3635427>killings continue>*internal grinding sounds*>"Blast! They must have had a self resurrection Noble Phantasm!"
>>3635409>>3635441Yeah, we still need to know WHY she's eating people. If it's a matter of sustenance then we might be able to do something about that in INS.
>>3635427Ok.Next question then.How do we feed her?
>>3635457Homeless People and Yakuza.Unless she for some reason really wants to eat kids.
>>3635456>>3635449I have no idea about how to power her (him). If we have no way of permanently empowering her (him), and no way of binding her (him) to Alberich's will that isn't appealing to our past bond/threatening physical violence, she (he) will simply have to die.
Well, there's one way, I suppose...
>>3635468If only we were in America.Tons of prisoners and homeless there she could munch on.
>>3635475>killing our SisterWhy?She's some Oni NEET.An ONEET if you would.Not exactly a threat to our future rule. And she's kind of already been our direct underling for most of her life.She'll make the right choice.
A note. This is something I couldn't really think of how best to convey in english, but Kōrakuhime uses archaic, highly formal Japanese (except for the part where she returns to Ogawara-speech).
>>3635499>Has to eat people to existToo troublesome an entity to be left alive if this is the case. Too much negative attention. And, of course, we could get a powerup in the tragic scenario where we have to kill her.
>>3635510Oh wow, both Ogawara and Rushorou are really hamming it up when it comes to trying to sound mysterious and Servantlike aren't they?
>>3635526Oh yeah. Chewing the scenery like stale hardtack.
>>3635526Or maybe judas hard coded them to be more heroic
>>3635483With or without coffee/cherry candy?
>>3635518>Has to eat people to exist>like Alberich gives a single remote fuck about these people.He was born to rule, not born to care.She probably just needs the energy which she can't otherwise get. Ibaraki and Shuten don't go around eating Chaldea employees, do they?I can't wait to find out Taiga accidentally managed to contract with Matsuda.
>>3635510Thats pretty cute.
>>3635533At this rate I can't wait to see Servant Matsuda.He won't put the slightest effort into it, I feel.
>>3635483There are so many parallels between these two pairs, it's amazing.>>3635539At long last, JAGUARMAN!
>>3635539I said negative attention anon. It's troublesome if our ally, who brings only marginal combat assistance (although that scrying and name discernment is useful), brings the wrath of all these "heroes" and associations down on Alberich's head.
>>3635557We can't just abandon our Sister because she might cause us trouble.In fact, I know one faction that doesn't give a single moment's thought to civilian deaths.
>>3635483>making Alberich a degenerateAdelheid wouldn't approve of gay behavior. And yes, like traps is gay.
>>3635578>implying I'm referring to Alberich
>>3635578But what if the girl was at one point a guy but is now a girl?Is that gay?
>>3635563>We can't just abandon our Sister Our "sister". This misbegotten demon is not Alberich's family. It is tangentially related at most, an unfortunate side effect of his ascension. The gods know that most of their "kin" are not family. Why should Alberich act any differently?
>>3635578You realize, I hope, who Adelheid was and whose memories she has?
>>3635587>>3635591Can she mother a child biologically? If yes, good. If no, fake and gay.
>>3635591Yes. That's exactly my point.
>>3635596>wanting to make half-blood oni children with your psychotically traumatized sisterWell, thats pretty hero thing to do, I`ll give you that.
>>3635602Hey, I was just making a simple distinction to help resolve this dilemma. I would not lewd the demon personally.
>>3635596She's a servant so most likely not.>>3635599That she would be hypocritical and complain about Hime being a boy before becoming a servant?
>>3635609Regardless mana transfer isn't any more gay than CPR.
We should probably try to fix Kōrakuhime's state of mind as soon as possible, assuming she wants it to be fixed.
>>3635588Exactly. I don't give a shit about this thing just like I never gave a shit about Ogawara. I doubt that anyone did. This is just waifufags being waifufags now that he's a "girl">>3635609I didn't support doing that either. I'm under the impression that (insert chuuni name here) is still a male, unlike Adelheid who is much further removed from her origin
>>3635619Also I know complaining about waifus in a fate quest is beyond stupid but here we are
>>3635619>wanting to hold on to one of the few things that were uniquely ours, and not some derivative of somebody else's memories, is waifufaggotryLet me guess: you'd say the same about Matsuda if he got Saberface'd, despite being the closest thing that we had to being a "friend" in Akeldama?
>>3635618Hopefully they won't mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they want to keep their confidence.
>>3635628No because we were genuinely friends with Matsuda.
>>3635619>Exactly. I don't give a shit about this thing just like I never gave a shit about Ogawara. I doubt that anyone did. This is just waifufags being waifufags now that he's a "girl"Not really? I mean Oguwara was our ally before and we did keep them alive and watched over them even when it was inconvenient.And now Hime is really useful as an extra Caster with no real loyalties outside Alberich.
>>3635628Well, if he's not a liability then I see no reason not to recruit him. The problem with Kōrakuhime is that she is indirectly a threat to Alberich's continued existence and eventual total victory atm. Such problems cannot be allowed to persist.
>>3635628>got Saberface'dI believe the term your looking for is "was designed by Takeuchi">>3635619>Ogawara>quite literally one of the few people in existence Alberich has fond memories of >doesn't care about him???This is proof to Alberich that he isn't truly alone (as Ogawara is the same sort of existence, I feel) and that his actions in Akeldama held value.
>>3635640Why would she be?There's more than enough incarnation juice to go around.She's a NEET ffs. She likely hasn't suddenly made world domination plans.
>>3635634Then let's kill everyone that isn't Matsuda, Circe, or Adelheid, since they were the only ones of any effectual value. Yes, this includes Kikuko. Damn keeping them alive in the first place, making up the foundation of the one (1) principle that we could even pretend to have.
>>3635645If she has to continue killing randos to exist, she will draw negative attention. In addition, without binding command seals or any other concrete way of controlling her, she cannot be relied upon as an ally. I'm thinking purely in the short term rn.
>>3635640We are literally allied with the faction that not only wants to stop the grail war, but would also get us ganged up on by everyone else if our association became public.Hime is not as much a threat as them.
>>3635619>unlike Adelheid who is much further removed from her originExcept she has 50 years of memories of life as Hitler.Ogawara has 18 years worth of memories of being a social outcast anime watching chan user. Except Adelheid somewhat was Hitler once.Hime was never Ogawara.Just like we were never Rushorou.
>>3635653Fun fact, we literally never used a command spell in Akeldama until the very end.They aren't needed for commands if your Servant likes you
>>3635659Fun fact, if we hadn't sealed Adelheid I don't think there's an anon in the quest who would have been in favor of "recruiting" her. A servant with no seals is a dangerous element to have loose. >>3635654We can stop associating with the Emiyas as soon as we want. Not so if we bring in this extra caster.
>>3635662We had a single use command spell for her, only good for a single "kill self."Another thing.The command spells are needed so a Servant doesn't just decide they run the show, with their true purpose being suiciding them.As a Servant ourselves, we don't really need them.Hell, if she betrays us (doubt she will) she dies from a rift cut which will easily bypass any magic barrier or defence she tries.
>>3635662>Fun fact, if we hadn't sealed Adelheid I don't think there's an anon in the quest who would have been in favor of "recruiting" her. A servant with no seals is a dangerous element to have loose.Yeah, first you are comparing a Berserker to a Caster then you are comparing someone we knew for a very short time to someone we knew from the beginning of Akeldama to the end and then someone who is visibly fond of us to the Berserker who decided to kill us despite despising her master. This is not a good comparison at all.>We can stop associating with the Emiyas as soon as we want. Not so if we bring in this extra caster.We can just as much stop associating with her than the Emiyas. I'm not sure why you think it would be more complicated.
>>3635674>Walk away from the insular spellcasters with no completely solid methods of tracking you down, and with no reason to do soversus>Walk away from the rogue caster, who obviously knows who we are, is at least a little crazy, and is CASTER
>>3635695You mean the caster who would be dependent on us for mana? Versus walking away from the servant Rider, Emiya, Sakura and Rin?And we can't really walk away from the Emiyas and expect them to keep it a secret that we worked together.
>>3635695But we were the ones who tracked her down?Look, Caster could be an invaluable ally, we don't need total control over everyone.She's not going to find an ally even close to as good as us.Also>at least a little crazy What gave it away? The Four Child Broth?
I think trying stay true to people we first emotionally connected with and did so on our own free will, whom also got caught in the same circumstances as us and got less lucky makes for more compelling story and characters. Especially if all of it done against all odds.I hope people who will vote to go for the kill next update will do so on other similar possible situations like Einzbern loli, Emiyas and such. Just to stick to this personal trait of removing potential obstacles and inconveniences with a quick stab mostly disregarding other factors involved.
>>3635706>You mean the caster who would be dependent on us for mana?You see, if this is the case then I'm ok with it. But until then I must oppose it.>>3635708>we don't need total control over everyone.Madness.
>>3635715I can't believe some anons are advocating hurting our own sister like this.Heartless.
>>3635719You do realise that throughout Akeldama our control of Circe was nothing to do with the command spells and was all to do with the fact that she fell for Yumigawa.She could kill us before we even finished a sentence, if she wished.
>351 Posts>Only the second voteMan these threads are active
>>3635715Pssh, maaaaaan, who needs loyalty to anybody but Circe and Adelheid? Everybody knows that we've only truly cared about those two anyway. Personelly, if I had it my way, I would've liked everyone. Heh.
>>3635766killed*Well, there goes that.
>>3635729Would've killed you, if you hadn't been immune to the kykeon.
I can see that we're all fairly conflicted about this, so I'd like to propose an idea.Should we be able to become ally with Hime here we could make good use of an allied Caster, gathering the old Akeldama crew's Servant selves would be a fine idea. They had proved themselves to be loyal vassals when push comes to shove, I'm not looking to simply kill them off for the sake of them being a possible nuisance to not deal with.Shit with the assistance of a new Caster here that has memories of us being a fairly well enough friend, then I'd rather take along the new ally who can help in dealing with other Servants. Should we go for betraying the Emiya family like mentioned then I think it'd be best we have as much assistance in bringing them down as we can. We have four potential new allies to be had for dealing in this war
>>3635775Yeah.Honestly, of all the Servants, if you summon Caster, you better fucking hope they like you.Generally Saber, Lancer, Archer and Rider will have some sort of code of honour where they won't betray youBerserker isn't really capable of betraying you Hassan Assassins won't betray you and tend to be very loyal.Summoning non-standard Assassins is a bad idea though. But Casters don't really have any code they carry themselves with and usually have no issue betraying the worthless magi ordering them about. Of course exceptions exist. Spartacus or Lu Bu would fuck you up in any class.
>>3635719>Madness.Are you seriously worrying over control in regards to Hime when we have a bleeding heart master with command spells that could do anything she wishes if she opposes our methods or when she decides she agrees more with the Emiyas? Or when we are allied with the Emiyas who are absolutely more powerful than Hime here, are opposed to our true goals and who only help us because we deceive them?Hime is isolated, has nobody besides us, is basically guaranteed to be weaker than us, not even mentioning every other servant in this war, who only remembers us as the guy protecting them when it didn't really gave us an advantage.
>>3635795The only conflict is like two guys.Matsuda will likely be a servantKikuko and Truvi are unlikely, yet they might have contracted with Circe and Adelheid.
When will Sweets stop putting these huge plot twists into every Awakening thread?
>>3635946When we stop tripping over so many flags.
>>3635946Never. Welcome to the moonlit world anon, the ride never ends.
>>3635970All we have to do is stop triggering them. :^)
>wanting to make half-blood oni children with your psychotically traumatized sisterIconic phrase. Can we make this the thread description in the archive already?
>>3635602>>3636002It is pretty great, I must admit.
>>3636006Now how do we rehabilitate her? Going by her erratic behavior, he definitely didn't have anyone to help her cope with her existential crisis like we did.
>>3636010she*Forgot to put the 's' back in after editting.
>>3636010She's got us now though.
>>3636010I think making sure she doesn't need to murder innocent people every day would do a lot of good for her mental health. Having a friend to talk with and not being alone should help too.
The emotion that fills you, more than the anger at Ogawara's prevarication with the topic of names or the confusion at murder being committed by one who seemed too gentle for such acts, is shock. You thought you had come to understand just what it was that happened in the Akeldama. There were a thousand and forty-nine human souls and nine Servants, all summoned to be sacrificed in the creation of a single new hero: yourself. Now one of those human souls sits before you as a Servant who dines on human life. What the hell is going on? "How is it that you've become a Servant," you demand, your composure lost, slamming a fist on the table to punctuate your words. The impact shakes Kōrakuhime's china plate and cut crystal glass, sending a droplet of blood over the plate's rim and onto the table. Red lips purse in a tiny frown as Kōrakuhime eyes the spatter, rapidly staining the white tablecloth. There's a moment of silence before she answers, and you can feel anger radiating from that almost-immobile face."You feel... betrayed, I suppose," she finally replies, "I know how you value information, Alberich. And of course, one's identity is always a very sensitive subject. My existence, as a Servant, challenges your conception of your own. Your anger is not unjustified. Nevertheless, I would... hope that a person of your calibre could remain civil in all circumstances."You let out a long sigh, forcing your heated temper to cool. It's obvious that anger will get you nowhere with this bizarre Caster, Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime. The easily intimidated aspect of Ogawara is one that has been lost, apparently. In any case, she does have a point; cold logic is what has kept you alive through your tribulations, not emotion."Very well," you say, forcing a low, carefully modulated tone. "I'll ask again. What has happened to make you a Servant?""When I awoke," Kōrakuhime begins slowly, "I was so, so confused. And afraid, as well. The Akeldama where we had dwelt was destroyed as I was unaware, and without my knowledge I came to be in an unfamiliar place, with unfamiliar clothing and a changed body. I had become something else, somewhere else, all at once. Would you... care to suppose what happened then?" "I can't imagine," you answer shortly. "What?"
"I retreated within myself," Kōrakuhime continues. "My mind, reeling from the discontinuity of the outside world, fled into an inner realm; a dreamscape, one might call it. There I... encountered a wraith. A shade, a memory not mine, of the one who facilitated our creation. He recounted to me your confrontation and his death; he explained to me our nature, much as it was explained to you. We are... artificial spirits, who were created as part of Akeldama, then sustained and enabled to grow by our reception of sacrifice, given the memories of those who were never drawn into Akeldama. We are new souls, drawn out of the borderland between the Realm of the Imaginary Elements and the Realm of the Real Elements. We possess qualities of both worlds... but the totality of neither.""So there were more," you say, half to yourself. She had implied it already, of course, with her comment about names, but it's still a difficult revelation to come to grips with when stated clearly."Indeed, there were, and are," Kōrakuhime replies. "I must admit, I found some... humor... in it, watching as you heard from Judas' voice... the incomplete truth. It was, amusing, that you should receive less information than I despite... a far greater portion of his spirit residing in you, than in myself." She pauses for a moment, taking a thin slice of meat from her dish, with the silver chopsticks curving it to carry a pool of its 'sauce', and eating it with faintly visible delight. A tiny pink tongue darts out to lap the blood from her lips, wiping them clean without diminishing their color."I take it, then, that you know the entire story," you say. "How many new heroes was Judas trying to create? How many Servants were released into the world by Akeldama?""Fufufu~." Kōrakuhime repeats her quiet, musical laugh, seeing a humor in your words that escapes you. "You are so eager," she says. "You have a... gluttony of knowledge, Alberich. Four spirits were... born in Akeldama, but only three of us... survived the trial. Your friend Matsuda was the third. I know nothing of his fate.">[ ] "And why was Judas trying to create four heroes? What purpose did he have?" (Duty)>[ ] "Fine, I understand how you came to be, but why are you now traveling through Tokyo and slaughtering its inhabitants?" (Duty/Compassion)>[ ] "How much do you know about the differences between us? What portion of the sacrifice did you receive, Kōrakuhime?" (Pride)>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)Yesss.
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)
>>3635946Be honest. Do you really want everything to go the way you expect it to? Discovering the unexpected is a part of every great story.
>>3636038>[ ] "Fine, I understand how you came to be, but why are you now traveling through Tokyo and slaughtering its inhabitants?" (Duty/Compassion)
>>3636038Shit these are some valid questions.>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)
>>3636038>>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)Compassion anons, UNITE!
Wait, what does that mean for Truvi and Kikuko?
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)>[ ] "So if you are here, and Masuda is also a servant, there are the others that survived the Akeldama. Where are Circe and Adelheid? "
>>3636038>Four spirits were... born in Akeldama, but only three of us... survived the trial.FUCK YOU KEISEKI.FUCK YOU.THAT'S WHAT YOU FUCKING GET.> "I must admit, I found some... humor... in it, watching as you heard from Judas' voiceAlso, seems she can scry.Excellent.Casters are just so useful.She needs to stop being so fucking smug though. I'd also appreciate if she could stop eating her "food" like that.>>3636069Well, no. But poor Alberich is just getting fucking slapped over and over again by these life altering curve balls.>>3636099They probably woke up in bed.Possibly with a Servant standing in their room.fuck me, I can't believe I deleted a post to edit it and then the edit didn't go through
>>3636038>dish, with the silver chopsticks curving itFuck my awful typing skills. This should read>dish with the silver chopsticks, curving it>>3636105>stop eating her "food" like thatHow do you mean, anon?
>>3636113>How do you mean, anon?You know exactly what I mean, QM.
>>3636113>How do you mean, anon?Licking her lips like she's facing a purple-haired shota hero?
>>3636105>She needs to stop being so fucking smug though.Yeah, it's like she wants to be slapped around. It's not like it's a secret that Alberich/Yumigawa is proud.
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)Friends would do al some good, besides where all vastly superior entities that will overthrow gaia and rule the world in a new age of the gods here right?
>>3636161>Yeah, it's like she wants to be slapped around.Clearly it's not like that, otherwise our outburst would have garnered something other than anger.
>>3636125>purple-haired shota heroThis feels like a specific reference, but nothing's coming to mind...
>>3636165>overthrow gaiaAlayaWe're overthrowing Humanity, not the Planet.>>3636168She should probably stop being so smug, then.Even Circe wasn't this smug, and she was an Ex-Goddess.People should know by now that Alberich hates people thinking they've got one over on him.At least the sibling comment is hopefully one of the last things she'd expect from us.
>>3636192How pure you are, QM.
>>3636192>he doesn't know
>>3636038>[ ] "And why was Judas trying to create four heroes? What purpose did he have?" (Duty)Stay focused, sibling shit can come later
>>3636230We can ask Judas that.
Seems like posting always dies down around this time of day. Guess you folks are mostly UK.
>>3636336Well, I am, at least.
>>3636336I'm in the Midwest, just waiting patiently for the next post to come is all
>>3636336Well, we don't really have much to discuss for this vote.
>>3636336Warmly waiting on next post. My shitposting energy is largely spent rn, need more fuel.
>>3636350>>3636351It's always the things I least expect. Last update, I didn't think there'd be much debate. Now I figured there'd be a lot of disagreement about where to go with the conversation, but you all went for the sibling line. Funny.
>>3636351Well best question to ask is what sort of Magecraft is Caster able to perform aside from just simple scrying? Need to know the sort of strengths and weaknesses that our sibling has in order to make an effective team
>>3636362Most of these questions could be answered by Judas.>tfw too mentally stoic to immediately retreat into own thoughts like a pussy.
>>3636380I want to get things agreed before we ask her that.I also just want to try and throw her off guard. Guess we'll have to see if it works or not.
>>3636395>inb4 she retaliates
>>3636238These seem like something that Alberich would care about enough to find out immediately
>>3636395Also, she might be somewhat concerned about what we've been saying around the Emiyas.We do appear to have become a moralfag and the majority of our conversations revealing our true thoughts were mental.So scrying wouldn't pick up on that.Would explain why she's so seemingly guarded at least.Though she probably does deserve to be hit with a Caladbolg for embracing being a monster.
>>3636362For me, I just want to throw her off guard. Most of these questions are almost like Alberich is crawling to her, appealing to her wisdom. This is the only one where we posit something.
>>3636407What was she suppossed to do?Curl up and die?
>>3636404It's second hand knowledge from somebody who's motives we aren't entirely sure on.She seems to be rejecting Ogawara pretty hard and is also eating the people she murdered and cooked literally right in front of us.Having the gall to get angry that her inciteful comments had the desired effect and some of it was spilled.
>>3636416>Aruberihhi-kunThere you go.
>>3636418Shut up, I'll learn eventually.
>>3636410Maybe.Maybe Emiya has the right idea...
>>3636430Moralfag leave now
>>3636430Oh well, no crying over eaten breads.
God damn it!Who cares if our sister is eating people? I bet they were delicious and I'm sure we can find her a new food source if needed!The REAL question is where the fuck are our battle wives!?
>>3636413>and cookedYou may want to go back and reread that description.
>>3636449No.It's not even for the morality. It's for the audacity of it all.She would see her rightful king, the reason she still lives at all, and find his situation humorous, to laugh that she knows "more" about this situation? Even though she only received such knowledge by being quite unready to accept it?Her mental state lies in ruins and the Ogawara that we knew from Akeldama has been replaced by this arrogant fool, enslaved by their base instincts and fast becoming a monster.To prey upon the people we intend to rule.Really, she's quite lucky we're giving her a chance at all.Bitch didn't have a conversation with the Gods though, I'll bet.
>>3636474I meant cooked as in "prepared".My point still stands.
>>3636474I don't think raw urban Nip is that healthy to eat. I heard that rural meat is safe to eat raw though, assuming the practices behind the raising and butchering aren't absolutely pleb-tier.
>>3636038>[ ] "Fine, I understand how you came to be, but why are you now traveling through Tokyo and slaughtering its inhabitants?" (Duty/Compassion)She's got other options for energy gathering. She just likes eating people.
>>3636485You act like we wouldn't be suckung up the orphan juicie first chance we get if we were in her positionIn the end being like us and our sister are just of an altogether higherstanding compared to humanity, if we must use them as cattle and mana batteries to sustain ourselvs then so be it
>>3636501>her situation. She's Caster.Going around eating people is both inefficient and also very noticeable.She's doing this because she enjoys it.A monster is merely something for a hero to slay.Lets hope she's not too far gone, otherwise we shouldn't hesitate to put her down, for the sake of the Ogawara we once knew.
>>3636485Wow. That is some serious Pride. What would you have wanted her to do, take a knee as soon as you showed up?Even in Akeldama, Ogawara was the most rebellious of your team; he was just super nervous most of the time.
>>3636485>To prey upon the people we intend to rule.That's fucking rich coming from someone who thought he could get more power if he ate the entirety of Tokyo.
>>3636525If we don't embrace the pride in Alberich's mindstate, how can we ever hope to reach Gil's level?
>>3636539>Wanting to be a shitty jobberExtreme amounts of pride is not great.
>>3636539By having your arm chopped off by Shirou and then letting his wife eat you, obviously.
>>3636544Extreme amounts of pride is entirely perfect for Alberich, who should assume his rightful position as king of heroic spirits. If we can't even match gil, how can we even surpass the gods themselves?
>>3636549>letting his wife eat youShe can eat our ass out and have Shirou watch.The only ones eatting people around here is Alberich.And I guess Kōrakuhime too.
Grandstanding aside, >>3636512 is a valid concern. The subject of her consuming flesh and blood WILL have to come up in order to gauge how much of Ogawara's "humanity" is left. If she is more oni than man, driven only by her basest of instincts, then that might be a problem.
>>3636554Even gil isn't this much of a babyDo you think he'd throw a fit every time enkidu criticised him?There's a difference between pride and childish pettiness
>>3636566Wait, sustenance is a base instinct, so that might be a poor choice of words. If she is doing it more out of pleasure than necessity, then it might be a problem.
>>3636525>take a knee as soon as you showed upThis would've been ideal, yes.>>3636528It's a ruler's decision what he does with his people. As they have accepted him as such.He might send them off to war, to die in droves, and be celebrated upon his victory.If he has decided their deaths would be a benefit to him, and by extension, his kingdom, then it is justified.A monster though, a monster is reviled by all, even if takes only a few lives.It takes what it wants and kills who it wants, merely for it's own satisfaction. Eventually some brave Hero will rise up to dispose of the beast, as has happened thousands of times in the past.
>>3636579Of course, but it's always entire families that go missing. Four pairs of child sized shoes in this house.She could easily target loners.She's very likely seeking out children to devour like some twisted monster. There are many other ways a Caster can sustain themselves. Giving into their base monstrous instincts? Not a great one.Medusa would be disgusted.Alternatively Ogawara is taking "Riajuu go explode" way too seriously.And literally.
>>3636594>Alternatively Ogawara is taking "Riajuu go explode" way too seriously. And literally.>tfw in our attempt to socialize Ogawara we ended up making him the Supreme Gentlewoman
>>3636485>Her mental state lies in ruins and the Ogawara that we knew from Akeldama has been replaced by this arrogant fool, enslaved by their base instincts and fast becoming a monster.If anything, Alberich is Kōrakuhime's role model in this regard. Who was the first person in the Akeldama crew to reject his humanity in favor of greater power?>>3636566>gauge how much of Ogawara's "humanity" is leftEvery revelation Alberich had about not being human and instead a hero in the making is one that Kōrakuhime had as well. If anything, she feels even more distant from humanity than Alberich does.
>>3636594Who would miss a orphan
>>3636610>orphanThat's the problem, anon. They're not orphans.
>>3636612Sorry anon but moralfags aren't peopleTry again
>>3636611>They're not orphans.They are if you kill the parents first!
>>3636620Well that's a very easy fix isn't it?
>>3636611Well shit guess i read too fast
>>3636620Eyyy, but we seriously need to check if Ogawara's completely gone off the deep end.
>>3636609>Reject his humanityBut that's the beauty of it, his body was no longer human, but even so, he started feeling more emotions than ever before, he may know now that he was never a human, but he certainly hasn't become a monster, no less than he was in Akeldama at least.
>>3636628I'd hate to have to kill an old friend so soon after a reunion.But as we said to Berserker, they might have the memories, but they aren't the same person.She just better hope she's not too far off the rails.Hopefully, Alberich can calm her "eating children" tendencies.
>>3636609>If anything, she feels even more distant from humanity than Alberich does.Think there's a way to bring her back, even just a little?
Alberich may be a villainous killer but I'd like to think that he won't tolerate murdering and eating children. Can we really stomach working with Ogawara at this point?
>>3636689There's not much to be done for past actions. I don't think Alberich values a given human life all too much, but there is a certain personal element to the "flaying and eating families" thing that kinda gets me. We'll have to work past it.
>>3636689It depends on the reason, which is why I mentioned pleasure VS necessity.
>>3636694So you're saying that we have to play the shrink. Again.
>>3636694There's a huge gulf in morality between enjoying killing someone in combat like Alberich and repeatedly killing and eating children by choice. Why should Alberich have to swallow his pride and lower himself to that level?
>>3636631>but he certainly hasn't become a monster, no less than he was in Akeldama at least.As I recall, Akeldama Alberich never casually considered the benefits of eating 36 million people. I think that's a clear step in the "monster" direction.>>3636671Oh, for sure, but first Alberich has to see Kōrakuhime as a wake-up call about the path he's treading rather than as a person traveling the same path in an inferior manner.
You know, now that I think about it, Compassion might be a right first step to helping her.
>>3636758What, like you've never casually considered the benefits of eating 36 million people.The drive to act on thoughts of that kind is what makes people into monsters.
>>3636784Alberich has an incentive to eat every other Servant in the war, and has already consumed one. I'm also pretty sure players have at least suggested eating every individual Servant we've met immediately upon making contact, as well as discussed the benefits of chowing down on the still-living Emiya family. You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Alberich isn't in very serious and very immediate danger of becoming a monster.
>>3636801Well, Servants aren't really people. 100%. Absolutely. As for the Emiyas, there's just the simple fact that they have so much energy that morality *almost* goes entirely out the window. Brutally murdering the average salaryman or schoolgirl and eating them simply doesn't cross that efficiency versus holy-shit-I'm-eating-a-person barrier.
>>3636801Absorbing the magical energy of a fallen foe is definitely less monstrous than consuming the actual flesh of a human.
>>3636801>You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Alberich isn't in very serious and very immediate danger of becoming a monster.Here's the worst part of it: If we do cross that threshold into becoming a monster, we are liable to gain the ire of everybody. We might even lose the favor of the gods.
>>3636827>We might even lose the favor of the gods.Not that I'm in favor of becoming a world-eating monster, but I don't know about this one compadre
>>3636801The Servants are Alberich's enemies because their goals oppose his; if the Emiyas choose to oppose his goal, knowingly or not, they become his enemies.He consumes a byproduct of the killing of his enemies.Kourakuhime chooses to hunt down, painfully slaughter and physically consume innocents in a highly visible manner that draws a lot of attention.Which of the two is more monstrous?
>>3636831Believe it or not, a lot of Gods want to see humanity prosper(eg. the Mayans, regardless how).
>>3636809>efficiency versus holy-shit-I'm-eating-a-person barrierThe very fact that there's a trade-off that can be overcome is pretty monstrous.>"Don't worry about it, I only eat nutritious people! I ignore normal people because they aren't juicy enough for my tastes, so I'm a good person.">>3636812True, but do you remember why the Shadow starts going wild in the latter part of HF? We might not want to eat people, but if we keep eating and Alberich reaches a point where he can't control the urge anymore, we'll be a genuine monster and Ruler Clint might be the world's only hope.>>3636831>I don't know about this one compadreThe gods were so fond of the Gorgon that they willingly armed Perseus with everything he needed to kill her.>>3636835>Which of the two is more monstrous?At what point did I suggest that Kōrakuhime wasn't monstrous or at least was less so than Alberich? Kōrakuhime's relative monstrosity to Alberich doesn't absolve Alberich of any monstrosity he has, nor does it prevent Alberich from becoming monstrous in the future.
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)We should start to appreciate fate for it has strange ability to laugh in face of our misfortune.
>>3636860You're making a false equivalency by calling what we do "eating". We don't have any uncontrollable urge to do so, we just do it because it's necessary to grow stronger if we want to survive the hardships to come.
>>3636860>The very fact that there's a trade-off that can be overcome is pretty monstrous.Fair enough, I know that embracing the heroic spirit mentality does bring that monstrousness.
>>3636860>The gods were so fond of the Gorgon that they willingly armed Perseus with everything he needed to kill her.I'd imagine that they would force themselves through our sword to get us killed.
>>3636869>You're making a false equivalency by calling what we do "eating".I don't think I am at all. Kirei draws the very same analogy when describing the activity of the Shadow in HF.>We don't have any uncontrollable urge to do soWe don't have an uncontrollable urge *yet*. The Shadow didn't either and was content with leaving people comatose until it ate Gil.
>>3636879We're not the shadow though
>>3636860>control the urge>>3636879>We don't have an uncontrollable urge *yet*Do we actually have any urges at all? So far it just seemed like something we did to get stronger.
>>3636860>The gods were so fond of the Gorgon that they willingly armed Perseus with everything he needed to kill her.Do recall that this was during the Age of Gods. They've had a bit of a falling out with mankind since, I hear. Something to do with a certain King of Heroes?
You know about my idea of tricking Shirou that the grail needed to be taken into IN space to be destroyed due to a lot of magical power inside of it?If there are now three extra servants running around with the possibility of gaining more in this war, that idea may not be too far off.poor priest.>"They said "Oh don't worry its only a normal war Antaglio"">"They said it would only have seven servants."
>>3636882>Our strength comes from the souls of humans and Servants that have been infused into us>Our greatest weapon is gateway of consuming darkness leading to a source of effectively infinite power>We want to take in the power of Servants for the sake of incarnating into the world and realizing our wishWhile our wish may differ from the Angry Manchild, our functionality is frightfully similar.>win war>get to Grail, ready to claim wish>Sakura stands before us>"WE'RE NOT SO DIFFERENT, YOU AND I">>3636891None yet, but the whole "man, I'd be a hell of a lot more powerful right now if I just munched on everyone in the city" strikes me as a clear precursor.>>3636893Thank you, Eiyuu Ou, for buying us some favor if we decide to eat everything. Until the gods want to come back and have magical energy without dying. Then things might go south again.>>3636900What are the odds Antaglio dies on the spot of a heart attack when he learns about all the shit the participants have gotten up to?
I think we are forgetting one angle here.We, the Last Hero Alberich, while trying to achive freedom from being a puppet to Heromaing Plan of Judas willingly chose and embraced our new idenity out of our Pride in who we are and that we have achieved. It was pretty much our major thing in Akeldama and was decided almost from the start.Our Bewitching Divinity of Calamitous Death here never really had that soul searching and defining quest and was pretty much hardly slapped in the face with revelation as her old worldview completely collapsed in one go. Pretty solid definition of victim of circumstances. Albeit a monstrous one. And we along side her and Matsuda pretty much the only one who can understand each other in thar regard.
>>3636919>the whole "man, I'd be a hell of a lot more powerful right now if I just munched on everyone in the city" strikes me as a clear precursorI'll reiterate that this is as much of a precursor as an overworked wagie's random thoughts of cracking open his boss's head are a precursor to a murder that'll most likely never happen.You should be worried when Alberich tries to think happy thoughts.If you're worried now, the solution is to raise Compassion so Alberich doesn't start viewing everyone except his loved ones as food.
Sorry to barge in but I was wondering where I could find a good writer for Fate. I'm from a group that tried to have a 30 participant war of fakers based off of a Fate CYOA. >>67137750I don't know if this'll get far off the ground but it's been slowly and steadily moving forward.
Oh, he's referring to a /tg/ thread.
>>3636945Firstly, that's not how you link to a post in another board. >>>/tg/67137750 If this is wrong...
>>3636943It appears I was wrong when I said that we haven't felt any urges yet.>>3631663>How many souls there are here, you think, and something predatory stirs within you.I'd say this is a warning sign if there ever was one.>If you're worried now, the solution is to raise Compassion so Alberich doesn't start viewing everyone except his loved ones as food.Yes, I've been a Compassionfag for most of the quest at this point. I'm saying all this in an attempt to sound the alarm and head this off before it becomes a problem.
>>3636964>>How many souls there are here, you think, and something predatory stirs within you.Yeah, that's not good...>>3636893There's always Alaya to worry about as well. Lose our "humanity" and we become a threat to it. We might not be bad enough to call in a Guardian yet but if we continue down this path...
>>3636945A 30-man Faye CYOA sounds like an inevitable clusterfuck, btw.
>>3636038>[ ] "So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Does this make us a kind of siblings?" (Compassion)Sister GET! hopefully We've got to find our brother Matsuda, and ha, HAHA, FUCK YOU KEISIKEI THAT'S WHAT YOU GET! I wouldn't have minded, actually. It was fun to hate him In Akeldama so It would have been fun to kill him again here.
>>3637014More than 11 named Servants is a clusterfuck, honestly. You can have 7 regulars and up to 4 irregulars, but having any more forces you to give specific ones disproportionate attention and depth, and prevents the readers from connecting deeply with anyone.
>>3637118Don't worry, dead servants don't count towards that total!
>>3637118s-sorry>>3637125Yeah, the Akeldama Servants don't count in the sequel.I'm talking about an Apocrypha/Strange Fake situation.
"So we were born in the same place, created by the same man... Do you think this makes us a kind of siblings?" The words fall out of your mouth naturally, almost unconsciously. Family is a concept you had thought of as impossible for you, since discovering the truth about your identity. Kōrakuhime's identity, however, changes that. This is a living Servant like yourself, someone with the same unique constitution and means of creation, who was brought into being by the same man. She's the closest thing to a sister you could possibly have."Siblings?" Kōrakuhime's eyes widen in surprise, the hand that carries her chopsticks freezing halfway back to her plate. A faint blush seems to color her cheeks, though it may only be a trick your eyes are playing in the darkness. The loss of composure only lasts a moment, however. With a tiny "ahem," the girl replaces her chopsticks on their holder and looks away from you for a moment, taking a breath."Siblings, indeed," she echoes softly, her eyes returning to yours with renewed calm. "I believe you have... a point, although one would be hard-pressed to find a... brother and sister as dissimilar in appearance as we two. Still..." Kōrakuhime gives you a smile before continuing, "I do like the idea. Shall I call you Ani-ue, then? Or perhaps there's another term you find more... appealing? You did seem to derive some... pleasure from little miss Einzbern's attention..."Now it's your turn to flush and cough in surprise. Just how much of your life has Kōrakuhime been watching by magic? No, better not to dwell on that subject. "Ani-ue is fine," you say, "or Alberich, or Saber. Call me what you like." "You'd keep your... preferences from me? That's no fun." Kōrakuhime pouts prettily, pursing her lips in a moue of dissatisfaction. "What shall we discuss, then? I'm... sure you haven't come to me for... cooking advice.""I am here to discuss your diet, at any rate," you answer. "The way you've been killing these families is drawing attention. Two Masters are hunting you already, and I came here for the same purpose: to kill a rogue Servant that was putting the secrecy of the Holy Grail War at risk. The only reason we are conversing right now instead of doing battle is your identity. Why are you doing it, Kōrakuhime?""I was not... summoned to a Master, as you were," the girl answers, all mirth falling from her voice. "With no magus to provide me with magical energy, I was impelled to find it for myself, or to die. The most effective way for a Servant to take in magical energy is to consume the flesh and blood of humans, and with it the energy of their lives. I eat... to live." As she speaks, you suddenly notice Kōrakuhime's teeth. All of them are small, sharply pointed fangs, like those of a cat or fox. Indeed, they are suited to one who must hunt to survive.
"You needed mystic energy," you repeat, "and Servants are best fed by hunting. Very well, it is an understandable motive. Why, then, attack entire families? Why not feed on the the street's lonely stragglers, on the homeless, on the rebellious youth who wander downtown without speaking to their families? If you consumed the people who go missing without a trace already, they would draw no attention to you.""And what then?" This is a demand, a sudden burst of anger. Kōrakuhime raises her tone to an ordinary speaking volume, but compared with her usual voice it's a furious shout. Now she is flushed, the color in her cheeks visible in any darkness, and speaking with none of her usual drawn out care. "I would remain starving, barely surviving from night to night; a withering Servant, a wraith doomed to haunt the unseen corners and prey on the weak until I fade away by some careless mistake! Is that what you'd have of me?" Then, like a sudden shower, the rage vanishes all at once. The tension animating Kōrakuhime's body dissipates, and she relaxes back into her chair."I do not kill families," she says quietly, "out of some... personal preference. I do not... search for the flesh of children, like a careful gourmand who prefers... veal to beef. I must move constantly, and have only... so much time per night. So I... select those houses with the most inhabitants, that I might derive more energy... rather than less.""So feeding on those who wouldn't be missed isn't enough," you say, unmoved by the outburst. Even with sharp teeth and horns, Kōrakuhime hardly cuts an intimidating figure. "Then why not draw energy from the city's leylines? In the Akeldama, Caster once told me that the most potent way she could gain energy was by siphoning it from the land's leylines. Being summoned as a Caster, could you not do the same?""The land is not... a font of power without limit... as you seem to imagine," Kōrakuhime says. "Power flows through it, and that... is the energy of life itself. The vegetation, the animal life, and even the humans of the area, all derive their wellness from the... circulation... of Mana within the leylines. There is a... portion in places, of... excess energy that can be used by magi. I am sure that this... is what she referred to. Here, however, it is being consumed entirely... by the Holy Grail. To sustain myself by Mana would... poison by my existence... all the inhabitants of this city. Would that be a kinder thing than to... dine on such a... tiny fragment of their number?""Not the kinder thing," you concede glumly, "but perhaps the more discreet method."
>[ ] No matter how justified she may be, the benefits of dispatching Kōrakuhime outweigh the benefits of leaving her alive. Strike without warning. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] "I will overlook your actions tonight," you say, "out of respect for our friendship in the Akeldama and for your unfortunate circumstances. When we meet again, however, know that I must kill you." (Duty)>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3637211>"No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)We have to save her, dammit!There's got to be a way!
>>3637211>>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)
>>3637211>>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)We know of enough people who could probably sustain her.
>>3637211We might wanna at least bring this up with Ayaka before we make any solid choices, but I'm learning towards.>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)So aside from Oni-type skills, what else could Kourakuhime (what a mouthful, anyone have shorthand suggestions for this) have? Maybe some sort of Charm or low-ranked True Name Discernment
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)We might need to abandon the emiyas pretty soon, they were shitty allies anyways
>>3637328Looks of Loveliness?>Plus modifiers are applied to checks when negotiating with both men and women. Also, effects that target a specific gender are disregarded.Chevalier d'Eon has it at Rank C.
>>3637207>You did seem to derive some... pleasure from little miss Einzbern's attention..Well isn't that convenient, she was looking after us almost this whole time, but has no idea where Matsuda is.Or is keeping that info from us for whatever reason.
>>3637328>what a mouthfulWell it's better than the 7 letter chuu2 she came up with.
>>3637211>>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)Sister line worked perfectly.
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)Sister get! Sister get! Sister get!And besides, even If she does have to end up consuming human life so what. What *real* value Is lost anyway.
>>3637357I suppose we should start thinking of ways to sustain servants.The only master with enough juice for it would be Lily, but that brings it's own heap of problems. It's unlikely we could summon one but killing a Dragon and having her eat it's heart should give her a dragon core, allowing her to produce enough mana.For bonus points, we could bathe in it's blood for Siegfried style invulnerablity and make sure there are no leaves in sight.This is super wishful thinking though.But also a ridiculous power-up that would allow Alberich to somewhat face Achilles. And would likely change the "feel" of Koraku's mana so Shirou doesn't realise.
>>3637383Also, a better suggestion than eating families would be going for Yakuza meet-ups, or drug-dealsFar easier to explain away as the work of criminals.
>>3637383I like the idea, but there are some big problems here:• Alberich still doesn't know how to summon beings from the Reverse Side, or how draining it would be to sustain a Phantasmal Beast's existence on the Front Side.• Summoning a dragon is certain to get attention not only from everyone involved with the War but also everyone in the moonlit world.• Fafnir is dead, and we don't know if it's possible with any other dragon.
>>3637342>Well isn't that convenient, she was looking after us almost this whole time, but has no idea where Matsuda is.Well, if she talked with Judas then she would know our master's name. That makes finding us a lot easier than Matsuda who could have appeared anywhere.It's also sweet in a way. Despite barely having enough mana to survive, Hime used her limited resources so she could see Alberich.
>>3637396>summoning a dragon is sure to get attentionI mean, you would think that. But not really. Nrvnsqr once ate an entire hotel with hundreds of different beasts, some magical. Hell, didn't Galliasta summon Medea out of a hope she'd be able to summon a Dragon?>summoning is untestedWhat better method to start with than to try to summon something truly ridiculous?>Fafnir is deadPossibly a problem, but honestly I don't think it was ever mentioned if there was something that differentiated his blood or heart from any dragon.We've got a Sword that can easily cut through a Dragon's otherwise impenetrable hide, and the act of slaying a Dragon with it will turn it into a Dragon Slaying Holy Sword, giving it extra damage to things with Dragon attributes and possibly ranking it up to A+ or A++
>>3637211>[ ] "I will overlook your actions tonight," you say, "out of respect for our friendship in the Akeldama and for your unfortunate circumstances. When we meet again, however, know that I must kill you." (Duty)
>>3637383Do we really want to give a master another servant or create a new competitor for the grail? And if a servant can eat a dragon heart to sustain itself then why would we do it for her before ourselves?
>>3637404>Nrvnsqr once ate an entire hotel with hundreds of different beasts, some magical.I don't think Nrvnqsr's beasts were as strong as a dragon individually or even as a swarm. It's only when they combine with him that the whole thing becomes seriously bullshit tough.>Hell, didn't Galliasta summon Medea out of a hope she'd be able to summon a Dragon?Nasu said Argon Coin's dragon wasn't very strong.>something that differentiated his blood or heart from any dragonLike having once been a magical dwarf? Who knows what that might cause.Still, I'm averse to summoning a dragon of any strength anywhere near Tokyo because of the terrible risk involved. We can always do it away from the city, hypnotize anyone nearby and finish the job quickly. Although I'm not sure what the gods might have to say about it.
>>3637412Merely an idea.Also, don't get it twisted, only living servants like us, Matsuda and Korakuhime (maybe Arturia too) could do something that empowers us like that.We could also always share the heart, not sure what effect that has.The point is that we're adequately supplied by Ayaka now and Kouraku is forced to eat people. Having a(nother) Caster loyal to us alone would be excellent.Also, a Dragon Oni just sounds cool.
>>3637416Also before we summon a dragon we should really summon something weaker. Just so we can find any problems before we summon something really dangerous or find out halfway that we don't have enough mana to finish the summoning.
>>3637422This is why we need to start with a unicorn.Then summon a demonic boar.Then a dragon.Then pieces of Gugalanna after we get Vitrification EX.
>>3637416Nrvnsqr literally had a low ranked Dragon within his reality marble. As for Fafnir being special...There's also Vortigern, who drank the blood of a Dragon to get bullshit powers to fight Arturia. Dragons are some serious bullshit here.People in Fate are generally fucking blind. GIGANTIC HORROR not being noticed is kind of evidence of that.Let the church deal with it. Not like it's entirely unexpected for a class to summon proper bullshit things.
>>3637427>Nrvnsqr literally had a low ranked Dragon within his reality marble....Yeah, except for that one.And the unicorn.Yeah.At the very least, I don't want the Emiyas to know we can pull a dragon from our ass and throw it at them.
>>3637437Lets summon a Dragon directly on top of the church.
>>3637440Better idea, let's summon a Demon God directly on top of the church.
>>3637443Let's just summon Tiamat directly on top of the church.
>>3637444You know what? Why don't we summon Judas and force Antaglio to eat his homemade mapo tofu?
>>3637448Great idea!Also imagine the Saber rematch with an Armour of Fafnir type defence>she gets through our guard and cuts us with enough force to cleave us in two >almost 0 damage.Only problem is that Armour of Fafnir kinda eats Siegfried's magic resistance and folds it into the NP.Also, by ensuring we don't get an inconvenient leaf on our back, we won't have that weakness either.>"he introduced himself as Alberich and is immune to attack, but why would he have Siegfrieds defence...? Saber! There should be a weak point on his back!">"nope."
>>3637455>almost 0 damageNo, that's exactly 0 damage. We could just stand there and let her shove her Invisible Air in our face and it wouldn't ruffle a hair because its rank is C.
>>3637459She's got A rank strength though. Though attempting anything specific to IA won't work at all.
>>3637464A-Rank Strength doesn't matter because according to Armor of Fafnir she's attacking us with IA on Excalibur rather than punching us with her bare hands or swinging Excalibur at us. It's all conceptual(TM,R,C)Notice how in this image Excalibur is visible.
>>3637478Oh, neat. Bonus points if we have Kourakuhime disguise herself as our Master if we get her a Dragon Core for the rematch.>Harris tries to attack her while we're slapping Saber around in an attempt to attain victory the same way as the first time>exceptionally large mistakes were made >goodbye limbs Of course, keeping him alive in such a state might be beneficial. It would give us the opportunity to take control of Saber.
If there's a way for us to incarnate outside of winning the holy grail war then why are we still participating? Just for the powerups?
>>3637524So we can bring about a new age to the world and rule as king
>>3637524>If there's a way for us to incarnate outside of winning the holy grail war then why are we still participating?Because we don't have one?
>>3637524It's not true incarnation, it's just a way to provide a servant with enough mana to sustain their existence. If they spend too much they will still fade away.True Incarnation would allow the incarnated servant not to worry about such a thing. Additionally, a Servant isn't really alive and their body is only made of flesh and blood visually. Incarnation changes that.
>>3637524It's not incarnation, just increasing our Magical Energy rank. We'll still need a Master to continue existing.
>>3637536Also, I feel like this goes without saying, but Dragonslaying isn't exactly what you'd call easy and risk free.
>>3637539Here's the skill description>Dragon Kind Modification EX (stop giving EX to unique skills you hacks.)>A dragonkind mana reactor core has formed, allowing Sigurd to mobilize almost completely independently despite being a ServantNote the *almost*, it's not perfect but it should do the trick for Hime until incarnation.
>>3637524As others have said this might be a way not to die after the grail war, but it has a lot of risks and might not be possible for us.We don't even know how much mana we would need to summon a dragon. If we haven't enough then that's it for that plan and even if that works we would have to defeat the dragon after using up a lot of mana just to summon it.We also are a servant in this war and if we want to participate or not the other servants want the grail.
>>3637541Honestly, Arturia should have this skill too since she has a reactor as well. lazy hacks
>>3637524Finally, you say this as if the powerups aren't an inherently worthwhile reason, leaving aside our wish to get Circe and Adelheid back.
>>3637545> If we haven't enough then that's it for that planNot exactly.Remember, we could always siphon the mana for the summoning from the Leylines.Fuck the mundanes.
>>3637550>Fuck the mundanes.We have a master with command seals who would disagree.
>>3637550>siphon the mana>everyone in tokyo becomes an artificial hero because our existence poisoned them>the people of tokyo create a new breed of heroes who lead humanity to a new age of godsDid we just win the Nasuverse?
>>3637546It's honestly bizzare that the fact she has a Dragon Core isn't a part of her listed skills.
>>3637558>plunge HGS into central leyline of Tokyo and transform it into a city of the gods
>>3637554Bringing back the age of gods would stop the decline anyway and siphoning mana from leylines isn't the reason for notes anyway.
>>3637566Yeah, I remembered why and deleted it almost immediately after.
Can't wait for Shirou to try and confront us over this.>"Why are you protecting the girl who's been killing all those people?!">"She's my sister, and she's done what she had to do to survive.">long awkward silence occurs where Emiya can't think of anything to say without sounding like a massive hypocrite. Eventually Alberich breaks the silence >"I feel like I'm missing some context here."
>>3637578We may end up having to explain who we exactly saved from Akeldama, so let's not let that scenario happen.
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)May as well try first before killing her. Duty a worst btw.
>>3637599Pridechads and Compassionfags unite against Dutycucks>>3637597>Alberich saved>a Demon>actually Hitler>a Yandere Ex-Goddess >whatever the fuck Matsuda became >a girl he brainwashed >and Truvi"Oops." Our record isn't looking great.
>>3637606>Implying that record isn't flawlessWe even managed to devise Perseus's death without losing Truvi!
>>3637611That wasn't exactly planned.Also oh man, if Medusa knew the full story about us and our siblings now.Considering her entire backstory is basically about her siblings and becoming a monster.
>>3637606Who is the demon? I know who everyone else is.
>>3637622>>That wasn't exactly planned.>implying Alberich's plans are not beyond your limited mortal understanding or even his own understanding>>3637623Kourakuhime.
>>3637211>[ ] "No matter," you announce, getting to your feet. "Whatever you have done, you remain a member of my family. Kōrakuhime, come to the Shijou manor with me and we shall find a way of sustaining you without the consumption of human life!" (Pride/Compassion)So remember how Judas mentioned "some rather dangerous resonance" last thread? Could he mean our connection with Kōrakuhime and Matsuda since they are also apparently share a piece of him? It would certainly explain our recent rant about consuming Tokyo for power up and a lot of new found Pride of our sister.
>>3637623Ogawara/Kourakuhime is an oni now, AKA a Demon.Oh and this is another parallel with Arturia, what with our sister being a powerful Caster. Hopefully not too much of a parallel though. All things considered.
>>3637622We have far too many parallels with too many people now.>ArturiaBoth are artificial heroes created by magic trolls.>ShirouWe're on our own HF route, years after the HF ending.>MedusaTechnically Kourakuhime is the one with the parallel.>GilgameshBoth have huge egos and a small group of loved ones (he has only Enkidu), and both are expected to restart the Age of Gods. Unlike him, our ego doesn't cripple us in a fight.
>>3637640>Hopefully not too much of a parallel though. All things considered.You don`t want to style on Saber with our superior dad skill?
>>3637640Fate/Awakening Mirror, also known as How I reincarnated in the middle of a secret magic war and got my sister pregnant with half-oni children
>>3637673Actually, as we're a Conceptual Being, wouldn't they be like...Conceptual Oni or something?Good lord that sounds broken just from the name.
>>3637650Y'know, having superior father skills to Saber is not a difficult thing to claim.I'd argue even Kiritsugu was a more responsible parent.And he was a complete Jackass. To both of his children.
>>3637686We can also steal and add other things to the mix. Like Dragon for example.
>>3637699>Conceptual Divine(Gods have got to grant it to us eventually) Dragon Oni children It's like somebody is messing around with D&D 3.5s creature templates.
>>3637650>Your parental skills are so bad they end kingdoms.>You killed more people trying to rule than I killed enemies on purpose.
>>3637711We can also start on eugenics project.Some good looking wives with proper genes we need, some predetermined marriges between our future children. We can synthesize some really strong stuff this way in a few generations.
>>3637686>>3637699>>3637711>>3637732wait till after the war, my m88s
>>3637732>We can also start on eugenics project.>Some good looking wives with proper genes we need>Implying possibilitiesNo betraying Circe and Adelheid until it's confirmed we can never get them back! And even then, Ayaka is the clear frontrunner with Liliesviel in a very very distant second and Kōrakuhime in an horrific but thankfully far flung third
>>3637750>even considering Kourakuhime before Kikuko, Rin, Sakura, Akagata, Arturia, Matsuda or KeisekiNo, fuck off. No way.
>>3637756But think of the Eugenics!
>>3637756>considering old hags>considering best bro and a corpseOnly right one you got was Artoria and, even then, we canonically hate her.
>>3637750>>3637756So this is what peasants look likeHow disgusting
>>3637766i refuse. inbreeding leads to madness and mutation>>3637768That should be an indicator of how undesirable hime is for eugenics, anon.
>>3637750Actually, in terms of appearance it would probably be Adelheid>Liliesviel>Circe>Kourakuhime>Arturia>Ayaka
>>3637778>inbreeding >not technically blood related but more spiritually siblings, therefore 0 inbreedingI'm operating on the next level here. Begone, plebian.
From a eugenics point of view, Liliesviel obviously has the top spot by a long margin.Anyone else and your kids might (horror of horrors) not have white hair and red eyes!
>>3637780>AppearanceI gave my actual, character-based opinion. The only person Alberich has anything approaching a substantial bond to is Ayaka, with Lily taking distant second almost entirely due to looks + the fact that we might not necessarily murder her, and then Kōrakuhime because I'm a sick bastard and it's the only one after those two that seems remotely possible in any hellish world.
>>3637756I didn't even notice this part:>Sakura>even CONSIDERING adultery
>>3637778>inbreeding leads to madness and mutation>Conceptual Biology: A Probably got this one covered.Thanks, Judas.
>>3637798Finally, someone with their head on straight. Honestly, Alberich 100% understands and supports the sanctity of marriage! He also doesn't want used goods, but that's besides the point
>>3637784>not technically blood related>>>not blood-relatedEVERY FUCKING TIME JAPAN WTF
Oh I see with this new development we added "Get a Harem for maximum eugenics" to our list of things to do.
>>3637815I mean, you both have a part of Judas' soul in you. There were probably some of the other spirits that got split up.I think it's safe to say you're related.
>>3637828>HaremNever. Only pleb-tier mortals had "harems".
>>3637829As long as it's not physical it's okay.
>>3637803Her sister is better anyway.
>>3637793I think that was a reference to the listing of attractiveness we got for Alberich.And for substantial bonds we have a stronger bond with Circe and Adelheid than with Ayaka.
>>3637843>Her sister is better anyway.she's not even a christmas cake, anon. We might get one child out her at this point, if we even considered it.
Please tell me this quest won't actually devolve into haremshit. It's so good without it.
>>3637840>Niggas out here actually trying to stray from the one true path.Circe and Adelheid are our day one's and the only girls we need. Considering anyone else for waifu is abhorrent and you should all be ashamed.Also haremfags can fuck off and ruin another quest with their bullshit.
>>3637849Just give her that immorality herb that makes you a child again.It's probably somewhere in the imaginary number realm.
>>3637839>>3637855>1>post>by>this>IDStop it. It must be done for eugenics.
>>3637853>>3637855I don't plan on it.
>>3637853>He actually believes we will not only get our waifus back and get a hold on a new onesGood one, Anon.But it is just our sweet dreams made of Akeldama.
>>3637863I agree that we should focus on getting Adelheid and Circe back. They're the ones who would decide what happens with our dick in the end.
Better question anons, if Adelhied and Circe were aged to Chirstmas Cakes would you reject them for becoming "hags"? If so, what makes kids better?
>>3637882I don't like that attitude, but the sentiment is 100% correct. Although I don't think either of them are fond of sharing unless they are working together to bully girls with more plentiful assets.
>>3637882Yeah.Man, Alberich did really well in Akeldama, huh? If it all goes to plan he has 4 extraordinarily powerful allies, 2 of which are Casters.Hell, he could even have 5 with Saber Alter.It's very much a possibility for him to declare war on the world with that sort of force backing him up, as well as any Gods that may themselves descend and possess a vessel.
>>3637889No because Hitler would change our sexual preferences with just a kiss.
>>3637900And also, Circe is likely capable of magically altering their appearances back.
>>3637889>spoiler>implying Alberich would do anything of the sortYou're dumb for even asking that question in the first place, go sit in the corner and stay there.
Also Christmas cakes still have a chance to bear children. Hags are too far gone.
>>3637930Anon, you mustn't forget the miracles of age regression magic.Rin is only 33...
>>3637959But what about the immortality herb?Don't you want EUGENICS to give us a child with 7 different elemental alignments?
>>3637952>only 33>onlyAnon, one more year and she will hit D-rank on "Alberich's Aesthetics" Tier List.
>>3637972So pump and dump before its too late.
>>3637889Hag or Swaddle, it doesn't fucking matter.All girls in this quest are fucking bangable, they're fucking anime sluts.This isn't a matter of attraction. If you can read through Alberich's story and decide after everything he's been through with Circe and Adelheid, to simply give them up for something else or demand more, you are a heartless coward and you'll go to hell before you die.It's really that simple.What justification can you give for Alberich genuinely falling for anyone else but his first loves, the first people he's ever connected with and felt romantically for? The two people most crucial to getting him to this point.If he isn't in love with either or both of those two, he is simply incapable of love and all other options are just a means to an end. ie. Eugenics.Which to be fair could be interesting, but given how compassionate he's become, would totally negate that development.
>>3637980"I`ll phone you later, Rin"Diabolic.
By the way, now that you've seen her standing up I can inform you folks that Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime is 5'0" tall. 152cm for those of you who prefer metric.
>>3637988At least she'll have an heir for the Tohsakas.
>>3637853It's not happening. Any attempt at a harem would result in either Alberich getting abandoned or a battle to the death between all possible candidates with one survivor.>>3637889Alberich is still an impressionable young man, and Circe and Adelheid are important enough to him that he'll probably just start liking whatever they age into.
>>3637983Based, but I'm seeing if other anons are able to look past the dichotomy. Swaddle is also pretty terrible honestly
>>3637972>D-rankDamegami-Tier: reserved for Ishtar and other vile creatures.
>>3637991>152cmHey, thats about height of my president! Give or take few cms.
>>3638005We should see if we can get Judas to laugh simultaneously with us and attempt to go for the closest Gilgamesh like laugh we can.Also maybe try and get original Rushorou's laugh in there too.I want a laugh that makes Emiyas across all timespace go berserk. The Shinji-Gil-Kotomine special.
>>3638023Didn't mean to respond to that post but alright.
>>3638023You're forgetting one vital ingredient to the laugh gumbo. A worm
>>3638007But where does Ereshkigal rank?
>>3638035We're also forgetting two more vital ingredients. His voice Also his voice, but older.
>>3638005That's fair, but unnecessary waifufaggotry really grinds my gears.It might be easy for me since I love both, but the idea of picking one to the exclusion of the other is ridiculous to me because again, we're talking about anime sluts.Hag or Swaddle, an anime slut's bangability to me, is dependent on how well they're drawn and characterized. And based on the art I've seen and the story I've read, Circe and Adelheid are the only waifus worth talking about.You can bicker about who your personal favorite is, but to drive the story based on only your personal preferences and not the preferences of the MC or the current story is how you end up going to hell before you die.
>>3638050I mean, Alberich only knew Circe for like 11 days.He knew Adelheid for even less.
>>3638050I like them both Anon, just don't really waifu the Swaddle. But considering that's this far along, well it's less of a problem for me. That and it's namely brought up for shitposting and not the story itself so I think it's fine >>3638039And finally we need to add in another dash of Angry Manjew
I want to KILL Arturia
>>3638104that's a waste
>>3638107>>3638112>She's motionless for several seconds, then her eyes move back and forth several times. She nods. Finally, the presence of her invisible blade vanishes from her hands. "It seems you are not allowed that mercy," the woman declares. "My Master has ordered me to let you die in your own way. Goodbye, False Saber." With that, the icily regal woman turns and leaps out the window, vanishing into back-alley darkness.Read that scene again and tell me you don't want to behead the woman.
>Ereshkigal detests how she was hated and suffered as a social outcast from the age of the gods. >"I want to try living as freely as Ishtar. I want to meet someone who accepts that I'm mistress of the underworld, but doesn't let that status affect how they see me." she even held such a romantic notion.>"I won't deny the fact I'm a villain, but evil, as it is, has its uses for humanity. Why does everyone have to be so afraid of me!?"A waifu of far higher quality than Ishtar.Possibly even more likely to try and possess Rin after watching Alberich, too.
>>3638116I want to corrupt her and see her serve us.
>>3638119>When you realize Alberich's life is essentially a daytime TV drama for the gods
>>3638050>dependent on how well they're characterized >Circe and Adelheid are the only waifus worth talking aboutI am a failure.
>>3638126Anon puts immense disrespect on Ayaka's and Liliesviel's names, ignore him
>>3638116I want to prove our superiority over her and make her admit it.Nothing more than full dominance will suffice.
>>3638126He's in a foolish minority, Sweets.I think the majority of characters are waifus worth talking about.>>3638124Now I can't get the image of the Greek Gods being hyped watching the Achilles vs Alberich battle out of my head.
>>3638126No, Sweets, you are doing decent job writing females.
>>3638126It's less your failure and more the fact that both of them had a longer time to be characterized.
I just checked and noticed that Kōrakuhime has displayed a lot of empathy for an oni. What was Ogawara's desire again?
>>3638124>incest posting, waifuwars, crazy schemes, chronic backstabbing disorder, screeching and totally screwed moral compassAre we the Gods?
>>3638144>>3638122She has no fields to rape or women to salt, so we'll have to settle for murdering her and her master as brutally as possible
>>3638190Yes. When someone asks you if you are a god you say yes.
>>3638176I still stand by my idea that resonance Judas talked about could mean that our subconsciousness bleed into each other via shattered soul of Judas.
>>3638126No you goon!Just because a girl shouldn't be considered for waifu doesn't mean they're BAD!What type of fucked up view of female characters does that imply?You are doing a great job, it's just the idea that Alberich would consider anyone else but his first and true loves for waifu is, to me, callous on his part.
>>3638124I can only imagine how some of the gods would greet us if that were the case.
>>3638190An interesting supposition.We need proof however.Have any anons here recently shapeshifted into a swan to have sex with women?
>>3638207>callous on his partGive Alberich a break, he's only 3 weeks old.
>>3638205>I am the one the only one+>Eating children is the most nutritious and delicious method to survive+>WRRRRRYYYYYYY FIGHTING ..... Nice
>>3638207>What type of fucked up view of female characters does that imply?The view of someone writing a quest based on a galge?
>>3638244A really good galge for a really good quest mind you
>>3638205>>3638221>final battle against FGO villain Alberich is him fully absorbing the essence of the defeated Matsuda and Kourakuhime from the previous fight where you fight all 3 at once. >becomes ludicrously broken overpowered as the True Final Hero.>also becomes absolutely livid with the player>then the true final battle is after the horn gets tooted when you beat him, as he is a sore loser>>3638244Based Sweets.
>>3638194We have her Ideals to trample, her Honor to sully, her Will to play with. She made this all very personal, just like Kikuko did.To claim our dominance over her is a matter of Pride and she will kneel.And besides just killing her will only means that she will comeback next grail war.
>>3638314>And besides just killing her will only means that she will comeback next grail war.Damn, that's a good point.
>>3638332A point that we don't know.
>>3638314>And besides just killing her will only means that she will comeback next grail war.That just means we get a new chance to make her kneel and we are a whole lot stronger then.
>>3638339A point that can be deduced and learned.
>>3638345>When summoning Arturia goes from a 100% guarantee of being one of the last masters alive in the war to being a 100% guarantee of some previous war winner hunting you down and murdering you
>>3638355So you mean the fifth war?
>>3638356Oh no, I mean Alberich will (after winning the sixth) continually intervene in grail wars looking for his complete revenge against seibah
>>3638362That just seems like a chore.Far easier to just force her into servitude.
>>3638362>One step closer to Gilgamesh...
>>3638339We know however that she was in previous one and also a special case by words of Shirou. We also know that he somehow ended up fighting her while he was her Master.
>>3638314>She made this all very personal, just like Kikuko did.So we're just going to make her swear fealty to us and change nothing more? Because that's basically what we did to Kikuko.
>>3638362Imagine being seething enough after being insulted by a womanlet that you will hunt down and kill her every time she gets summoned.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzFNO4pij8
>>3638412Disregarding the fact that Kikuko was brainwashed into serving us and couldn't actually refuse an order we gave her, you're absolutely correct!
>>3638424Imagine continuously killing her and not just making her into your maid.
You know all this talk of pulling a Kikuko and brainwashing Saber is kinda lame.Like sure we COULD us all our collective meta-knowledge to submit her to a fate worse than death.But that's kinda gay, and takes a lot of effort both IC and OOC.So why don't we vore her instead?
>>3638527>voreSorry, bud, I am pretty mild just want to corrupt her.
So...Kill a Dragon and get Kouraku a Dragon core to power her up (and use less mana) and ourselves the nigh-impenetrable skin, yes or no?Also, in addition to doing more damage to Dragons, I think Dragon Slayers take less damage from them too.Absolutely no-sell Arturia.
>>3638527Good lord.Cease these thoughts, anon.
>>3638554>Summoning huge monster in the middle of a cityLearned this one from Prelati`s spellbook, Anon?
>>3638599What's the worst that could happen?Killing a Dragon might even level up our sword.
>>3638604>What's the worst that could happen?Dragon eats you.Seiba kills dragon with holy sword beamDragon destroys the cityStrain of dragon-summoning kills Ayaka with mana drain...this is a selection of possible negative outcomes, none of which I will confirm, deny, or state the likelihood of. It could go marvelously.
>>3638613See? Absolutely nothing could go wrong!
>>3638620Father Antaglio wants to know your location.