ASOIAF Reincarnation: Male Powder Fantasy, Thread # 24Character Sheet: https://pastebin.com/RsQUNkkxFuture Updates and Shitposts: https://discord.gg/H4z8wcyArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=powder+fantasyFeudal Assets: https://pastebin.com/AGjdBv9w Biological Age: 25 years old ( Born in 268 AC ) Chronological Age: 78 years oldMaester Links collected: 21Current Treasure: 0 (-10 000 debt to the Starks)Current armament: An 80 cannon ship of the lineCurrent date: 3rd month of 293 AC - Coast of Tyrosh, outskirts of the City of TyroshOn the last thread we returned from a long hiatus and you partook in your sister's wedding to Ser Grandon Ashford. On this journey your mother, Lady Bella Tallon brought in the subject of getting you to get married. This you subverted through buying time, claiming that the ship you were building would be a show of force and bring in great fame and prestige. This wasn't technically a lie, but you didn't exactly tell her what your true plans with the vessel were.The Wedding itself went with few hiccups, your sister wasn't particularly happy about the prospect of marrying a man she had never met for what she perceived to be political reasons, a perspective you didn't really share with here. Beyond that there were few things that were no things unusual about the whole wedding, few things except for one. Someone had seated you and your younger brother in the same table as women from House Peake, enemies of the Manderlys, the most powerful lord in your vicinity. Either out of ignorance, malice or due to some other agenda, you did not really know but you decided not to make a big deal out of this and speak about it. Ultimately with your younger brother Rickar having the liver of a vineyard brother and you being fairly unperceptive and unreceptive to the advances of the fairer sex, things didn't go anywhere beyond what formality mandated.After returning home, you set to work on creating the greatest warship known to man in this era and making preparations to announce your invasion to the whole world. You also saved a man from a cursed destiny, Ser Jorah Mormont, the impoverished Knight, once spiraling down a dark path now set on another after receiving a particularly intimidating and eerie letter from you. You also enlisted the aid of your younger brother Rickar to this cause as well.Once the preparations were made, you began your voyage and launched a most holy crusade for life, liberty and property. At Tyrosh, you were greeted by their emissary, who sought to discuss with you the terms of the coming war.> [ Amiable ]: We shan't aim for any commanders or holders of rank specifically nor shall we give chase to enemies fleeing from battlefield save if they will violate our blockade and we shan't stop any who fly the flag of truce from aiding the wounded save in the event that you seek to abuse our mercy.
[I resent the very notion that you'd even insinuate that I'd fight akin to a savage! It is only sporting that we shan't be aiming for any commanders, officers or holders of rank specifically, neither are we such base men that we'd chase down a foeman who seeks to run from the battlefield. I also think it would be highly rude of me to prevent charitable individuals who treat the wounded or recover a seaman adrift in the sea, so as long as your skiffs and healers fly the flag of truce, they shall be allowed to pickup such men from the battlefield.]Bit taken aback the emissary responds to you[It is good to see you do credit to your chivalric code.][Well, us men of noble birth have to at least keep certain appearances up shan't we?]You reply to him in the most disgustingly smug manner[It is shame that we cannot come to terms of peace, but we of the City of Tyrosh shall fight to avoid loss of life. Any such individuals who are wounded or adrift shall receive fair treatment as prisoners of war and your House has the full right to purchase them back.][And those whom cannot pay shall be sold, yes][It is tradition][For you I suppose][Far as we are concerned, you may return to your fleet wherever it may be, and begin this war in earnest. We aren't such ignoble men that we'd strike down those who are on a diplomatic mission, even if they are our foes.][Why thank you, but that won't be necessary.][Pardon?][Well, you lined up your ships so nicely and it's such a good weather that I don't really see any reason to postpone this further, so I think I'm going to begin my attack right now. That is if it's alright with you.][Pardon?][Did I say it wrong? Apologies, this is not my native tongue. Do you speak common?]"Yes, I do.""I said that if it's alright with you, I'd like to begin my attack right now.""Pardon?"[Me. fight. fleet. ] You point at the hundreds of ships in the distance [ go. tell. please. ]He looks at you dumbstruck before restoring his composure[Well, it was a pleasure to talking with you Mad Lord of Port Maw. As you wish, I will report this to the Grand Admiral][Wait]You grab a bottle of liquor you had prepared early on and tossed it to the emissary"Wouldn't want you to die sober."The men laugh as the emissary departs."Alright lads, start loading up the cannons. I want explosive rounds on all guns. Rickar, you remember the thing I taught you?""I do.""Good, get to it. On my signal, you hit the lever as practiced.""Gods above, we're really doing this.""ALRIGHT LADS! WORK STEADY AND WITH CLEAR HEAD! FOLLOW YOUR OFFICERS AND WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS!"Thunder of drums begins to fill the air as the massive wall of ships begins to sail towards you
"We're ready to fire on your orders.""Good, Rickar, hit the sirens. Time to steal a page from Adolf's playbook."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhWUUblpDZAA Steam powered Air Raid siren fills the skies with it's wailing, making both soldier and civilian alike aware of your coming."Alright, TOP DECK, FIRE.">Give me 18d6
Rolled 2, 5, 5, 5, 6, 3, 6, 6, 1, 2, 1, 3, 3, 3, 2, 6, 3, 2 = 64 (18d6)>>3520301it begins...
Rolled 1, 4, 1, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 4, 5, 6, 6, 1, 3, 3, 2, 3, 4 = 71 (18d6)>>3520307derp
Rolled 6, 1, 1, 5, 6, 4, 4, 3, 2, 6, 4, 1, 4, 1, 3, 4, 1, 6 = 62 (18d6)>>3520301
Rolled 5, 2, 5, 2, 1, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 6, 6, 3, 1, 2, 2, 4, 3 = 64 (18d6)>>3520301>18d6
Rolled 2, 4, 2, 2, 5, 3, 6, 6, 1, 6, 6, 5, 1, 4, 1, 1, 6, 4 = 65 (18d6)>>3520301Such excite
11 hits with explosive shells.Your cannons have 20 square rangeDo you wish to move this turn?>Hold position>North flank>South flank>Pull back
>>3520319>hold position How far is their range?
>>3520321>>3520325Actually should be just go north flank and swim circles around them?
>>3520319is a flank anchored by the port?Or are we fighting in the open?the north flank just gets cut off by the map edge.
>>3520319I'm leaning towards>Hold positionWhat is their range QM?
>>3520319we should go for a wide circle around their formation, always staying on a flank if possible.
>>3520327orbiting the fleet is best exploit our range and our speed and do not let them encircle and swarm us.
>>3520327Im worry moving might make us less accurate.
>>3520319>Hold positionPrepare to fire second volley
>>3520332You don't know
4 Hold positions win.One moment
>>3520342In that case let's keep up the current range in gonna change vote from >>3520325To north flank starting to do>>3520333
Rolled 3 (1d10)
I hope they're shitting themselves.
Rolled 232 (1d272)
Alright then, since you are holding position give me 2x 18d6
Last thread qm stated the range of a cannon was 1600-1800 yards and that the optimal range of their ballista was 500 and that it would realistically be less on moving sea under combat.Therefore we can assume they have at best a third of our range, possibly less. Lets say a fourth. If we have a range of 20 squares that would put their range at about 5 squares. Maybe a bit more.
Rolled 2, 2, 6, 6, 2, 5, 3, 6, 5, 3, 3, 4, 3, 1, 5, 2, 6, 4 = 68 (18d6)>>3520366
Rolled 3, 4, 3, 5, 2, 1, 4, 6, 5, 6, 4, 1, 2, 6, 6, 6, 6, 2 = 72 (18d6)>>3520366
Rolled 5, 5, 2, 5, 6, 1, 5, 6, 5, 2, 6, 5, 5, 1, 5, 5, 2, 2 = 73 (18d6)>>3520332Last thread he said >Range of a cannon is approximately 1600-1800 yards on five degrees of elevation>The Range of a ballista on land is approximately 500 yards at best. On sea, much less. Everything else has lower range than thatso if 20 squares is 1700 yards, each square is about 85 yards. Then a ballista should only be able to shoot max around 5 squares, wind none withstanding. >>3520366
Rolled 4, 1, 2, 4, 1, 6, 1, 4, 1, 3, 3, 1, 6, 6, 1, 3, 6, 6 = 59 (18d6)>>3520366dice, dice, dicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsiQiGH5Sw
>>3520367This is of course assuming that we were completely honest when explaining to our brother that we had calculated everything and we were sure we could win, and thst we weren't blowing smike.
>>352036812 hits>>352036912 hits
Shots been fired, do you want to move?>Hold position>North Flank>South Flank>Pull back
Rolled 1, 5, 2, 3, 1, 2, 8 = 22 (7d10)
>>3520392Hmmm they are still 15 away>North flank let's start circleing.>>3520358They have to be
>>3520392South flank and pull back. IE rather than just move perpendicular to their line, move south and away from them a bit.
>>3520392>Hold positionanother volley
>>3520392>>North west Flank
Y'know historically speaking an army, or navy in this case I suppose, an only sustain a relatively small percentage of their number as casualties before they break and run. Fight to the last man sounda great, but in reality unless you're trapped that doesn't really happen all thst often. I wonder how many more ships we gotta pulp before they break and run.
btw in terms of your movement, Wind is facing south and you can move 11 tiles north, 12 tiles east and west and 13 to south
Rolled 128 (1d273)>>3520414If they roll under their casualty count, then they keep fighting. If they don't, they're exceptionally brave, foolish or stubborn.Speaking of which...
Quick question, is the wreckage of the destroyed ships impeeding the progress of the others? Large amounts of flotsam they have to go around or risk hitting something substantial?
>>3520392South flank and pull back.
>>3520420Yes it is. They cannot move through the destroyed ships, but neither can you shoot through them.
>South flankthey will probably call it quits after that
>>3520403changing fromto>South Flankto 43,D
Gonna go with south flank since it's got 3 votes
No proper line of sight, making another move south.
>>3520456south west preferably
>>3520456South and away. The away is important.
Give me another 2x 18d6
Rolled 1, 2, 6, 4, 4, 1, 1, 1, 6, 4, 1, 6, 5, 5, 6, 6, 2, 1 = 62 (18d6)>>3520465cmon dice gods
Rolled 5, 2, 1, 4, 2, 1, 2, 4, 5, 4, 1, 3, 6, 3, 6, 1, 4, 5 = 59 (18d6)>>3520465rolly polly
Rolled 2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 2, 3, 2, 6, 3, 5, 2, 3, 1, 4 = 63 (18d6)>>3520465
Rolled 1, 6, 2, 4, 5, 2, 4, 1, 6, 5, 1, 2, 4, 4, 6, 1, 1, 5 = 60 (18d6)>>3520465
>>3520456heavy drift winds from west
>>3520465>2x 18d6By the seven i think we have thoroughly outdakkaed the essosi
>>352046610 hits>>352046711 hits
>>3520476What did you think it meant when the option to build this thing was >Rule the waveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXFCDgyanA
Rolled 2, 1, 1, 6 = 10 (4d10)
Rolled 8 (1d10)lot of these guys seem pretty well disciplined
>>3520496Fear of draconian discipline maybe.
Rolled 239 (1d273)If he rolls above 201, then he's smart enough to retreat
>>3520496>>3520499They are were the Valyrian Naval fortress to control the step-stones.Tyrosh probably is the one most involved in having a top notch navy by tradition.
Welp, I guess he sounds the retreat.Congratulations. You just fucked the Tyroshi standing Warfleet.
>>3520501looks like someone knows the battle is lost
>>3520501and it seems rather smart flag officers able to adapt to a no win situation.
>>3520501Varys is gonna flip.
>>3520504Welp that was fast. Hey, Bravos hates all the slaver cities since they're slaves that successfully rebelled and set up their own state right? Maybe we should try to get then involved in or at least backing our crusade. Roll over tyrosh and then onto the next city of slaver scum backed by the iron bank and a support fleet of bravosii.
>>3520504right, now we get to camp at the entrance of the port for a week or two until they are willing to just throw progressively more ludicrous bribes for us to go away with all the westerosi slaves we can ship away.
Total tally from the way I see it is 72 ships have a huge fucking hole in them and are either sinking or drifting because they are at the moment unusable.Some of them are recoverable, but all of them require immediate attention or they will be lost to the sea.
>tyrosh admirality right now.
>>3520512They'll probably try to sortie at least once more. The admiral in charge right now will get called a coward and the rulers of the city will send out his replacement.
>>3520518Well, you can always just start sinking ships in the port. You can always enforce the blockade that way.I mean, you can't use the harbor if all the spots on the harbor have an unusable ship on it.
Anyway, that's it for today, hope you had fun.
>>3520510nah. this is our crussade. they have the money to do their own - see the results with pentos.This allows us to get westerosi slaves as a hazardous merchandise that will make slavers rather disinclined to go for them especially as they are relatively few compared to essosi ones.>>3520513damn. we do not have the capacity to get that much captives.we could try to chase and press gang some retreating ones into saving their fellow sailors to be ransomed by us later but that is imho to much of a hassle.>>3520518...Only a fool or a scapegoat would take the command of such a operation.They have nothing prepared and would become a shooting gallery in a bottleneck if they are in port.And in port is the only sane place to go as we demonstrated greater speed so they know we can run them down if we wanted to.
>>3520528Just horn at them with our siren to clear out. Gave them a good bloody nose already.
i'd love to see rickar's face right now
>>3520534You underestimate the stupidity of dumbass prideful aristocrats who feel the need to save face. There are so many historical examples of leaders doing stupid shit, even against advisement, I would not be at all suprised if the big wigs in tyrosh pulled a stupid.
>>3520539Funny part is. Tyroshi nobles wear colourful big wigs and dye their hair. So your statement is quite true.
>>3520539thing is the entire officer core and navy would be of the same opinion as the admiral.They probably saw that if the order to retreat was not given they would be eventually bombed or routed.
>>3520539They lost 1/3 of their ships in under half an hour. Even if there was someone retarded enough to order it, no captain will do it. Its game over.
>>3520542Some crazy bastard desperate for fame and glory might try something. Though in that case an outright attack is less likely then something sneaky in the night. Row on up with some pitch and dragon fire in a boat that's had all the reflective bits soot blackened and then try to fire us maybe.
>>3520554They have nothing capable of damaging us, plus the act itself would mean a retaliation. They have already lost a sizeable amount of capital, now the option is either to pay a large sum or risk losing *a lot* more capital. They are already paying off dothraki and those fuckers cant blockade their ports.
>>3520571Tyroshi don't pay much to the Dothraki to be fair, but they do pay for their Essosi colonies to be left alone.Ultimately, the Dothraki don't know much of Lys or Tyrosh, but they do occasionally show up in contested lands.
>>3520588My bad, but as >>3520587 already said, still pay tribute to some extent. The threat of getting cut off from supply for a city of such size will mean a slow and agonizing death. Plus, with all the time we spend blockading they spend not trading, further increasing the losses already incurred by the wrecked ships.They wont do another assault.
>>3520588Tyrosh has colonies in the contested lands which is where majority of their natural resources and food are produced.
>>3520532Thanks for running QM, out of curiosity what house did our sister marry into? Where would they be situated?
https://youtu.be/jL1DkrYL70sHere's to put into perspective the sort of shit they might have been experiencing at sea.>>3520620House Ashford is situated at Ashford in Reach.
>>3520662I’d really like to see Varys face when he hears of this :P
Holy shit this was golden stuff to return to, nothing like British naval supremacy to make your day.>>3519931>Considering our limiting factor is manpowerTrue but so is production capacity for equipment / housing any troops we train.>We have the Outriders as a QRF forces.I want to develop a similar unit focused around carbine usage rather than pistols to work as a mix of scouts and harassment. >We have the Guard as a garrison unit for the castle.True.>We need a unit of Shock Troops in full plate and with shotguns/grenade launchers to handle any urban close quarters combat.Honestly I kinda just want to make a unit of Roman Legionaries but instead of javelins to soften the enemy, they either use a volley of pistols or grenades.>We need a unit of Engineers/Cannoneers to handle siege weapons on the move (cannons and maybe mortars).Agreed, not to mention they enable us to perform combat constructions like battering rams, field fortifications beyond a certain complexity and so on.>We need a unit or two of musketmen to manage the wagon forts and other non-specific duties.At a minimum, I agree. Although we might also consider making them mounted just for movement purposes.>The wagon fort gives us a good force multiplier and specializing as much as possible makes our men worth more in their given task.True but the issue with specialisation is if one of our units gets too savaged in combat, we suddenly lack anything for that role.>>3519963We could easily make a flame-projector system to mount onto a ship or a large cart.
>>3520704Yeah we could do all of that OR, now hear me out now, we invent plastic and a rudimental injection molding machine then introduce the world to Warhammer!
>>3520714What if we write down the rules to the ASOIAF RPG and then publish and sell that to the rulers of Westeros?
>>3520719And hand those in power a gamebook which mentions characters, events and powers yet to occur at the current time? Or should we adapt the lore to fit the current time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRO-P5X1k4This seems like an accurate metaphor for our ship.
>>3520704our people will have the coin for horses, so we could have them all mounted if only as mounted infantry if we do not get combat trained mounts.This will make all our army a defensive second wave QRF, and highly mobile on the offensive, as anyone not mounted on carts will be on horse, so no marching.Also, for musketeers, getting all our infantry with grenades is a good idea, as it makes for a great defensive option to break a charge should they not be in a wagon fort.Just one or two grenades per man and that makes them nigh invulnerable to a charge, if they are ready - and when on the move the doctrine should have either the mounted combatants and a dedicated grenadiers on over-watch to both harass and counter-charge with a grenade throw allowing the wagons time to form up in a fort, and get the light artillery pieces on them mounted for fire and loaded.
>>3520938>our people will have the coin for horses, so we could have them all mounted if only as mounted infantry if we do not get combat trained mounts.We honestly could easily set up the facilities to produce proper war horses. Problem is that training our troops to fight on horseback takes time / resources, making them more expensive. Which means we're arguably better off reserving them for those forces that'd actually make use of them.>Also, for musketeers, getting all our infantry with grenades is a good idea, as it makes for a great defensive option to break a charge should they not be in a wagon fort.I don't know about all the troops, given the nature of grenades as fairly unstable and more importantly, the major advantage of giving something like that to the Heavy melee infantry was that it would disrupt any organised defence against them, allowing them to easily clear the field of anything: knights; wights; dothraki; unsullied.I mean it could work but the issue becomes the fact that grenades aren't light or small things, carrying one of them severely limits how much of anything else a soldier can carry and given we want our men working in at least a breastplate (since they might actually need to fight against people in armour in a melee) weight is a fair concern.>Just one or two grenades per man and that makes them nigh invulnerable to a charge, if they are ready - and when on the move the doctrine should have either the mounted combatants and a dedicated grenadiers on over-watch to both harass and counter-charge with a grenade throw allowing the wagons time to form up in a fort, and get the light artillery pieces on them mounted for fire and loaded.Maybe. Hell we'll see what we can do.
What should we do about Tyrosh mainland colonies? If they have Westerosi slaves should we give them a stern talking to about sending them back to kings landing or should we try to collect them ourselves/have jorah do it.
>>3521910Diplomacy I presume.If they make Westerosi slaves contraband and sign an official pledge to return them then all that then is needed is to make them want to honor that agreement, even if it takes months or years to organise.Whether they honor this accord or not is ultimately irrelevant, it's a win for us either way in the end.
>Remember this thread from a month ago>Remember hearing that we would be mostly mercenaries with a powerful band of musketeers and a smallish but effective ship>We now have a ship of the lineHoly shit this is awesome but how the hell did we manufacture these many cannons and implement this in our lifetime?Are we now truly mass producing gunpowder?HOW WE DO THIS AND WHY IS IT SO AWESOME
>>3522061The power of White Harbour and bankrupting ourselves.
So real quick the poor bastards in red are all sunk right, and the ones colored in negative all sustained damage... which means we sunk 73 ships and injured another 16. They came in with (now this is a rough estimate) 272 ships, that still leaves them with a majority of 183 ships they can throw at us. Did we really scare them so badly that they're sounding a retreat of 183 ships? They still have a CHANCE. Granted it's a slim chance but still! Man had I know they would have sounded the retreat I would've voted for massacre. Oh well. Time to trawl the waters for survivors ro ransom I guess. Or better yet board and ransom the stragglers.
>>3522120Negative colors are ones that broke ranks and began to flee.Needless to say, those ones will be subject to disciplinary actions after the they retreat.These guys were actually fairly well disciplined it considering how well they stood ther ground under bombardment of explosive shells.
>>3522120I dont think you get how warfare works. Unless its literally a do or die situation, you retreat instead of fight to the last man. And even then, if the only one to die would be the commanders the sodiers would fuck off sooner.The fact that we sunk 1/4 of their home fleet in a couple hours without them even getting a shot off shows pretty well what the results of the battle would be. Its far cheaper for them to just pay us off instead.As to survivors, why bother? I mean, their own ships are already right there and we have no real means to either salvage or rescue. And on top of it, the gold we would get from either selling the hulls or ransoming is a pittance compared to the spoils we will get from their formal surrender.
>>3522136I mean you SAY that, but just fucking watch, we get to Tyrosh and the bounty is half what we projected cause of a Dothraki raid or some shit. We're gonna have to raid ANOTHER city or worse, put wheels on this fucking thing and turn into a LAND Pirate.Do you want to put wheels on our ship? Do you want to be a walking contradiction? No? Then we had best bleed those fuckers dry for every copper fucking penny their tight fisted slaving granted them.
>>3522153Well then you're best bet is jist wrecking the docks and completely crippling them. That way you can really bleed them out for everything they're worth when they surrender. Compared to the city itself these leftover ships are just chump change.
>>3522153We can just say, not enough and continue to blockade them untill we get enough to satisfy our gold lust.
The Massive castle ship that served as the command ship struck its colors and like a wave, other ships began to do so as well, until all were flying white flags."Ease up on the siren for a bit!"As the siren's infernal moan quieted down, you could begin to hear it. Horns, possibly a hundred or more, all sounding the retreat. Not only did the Siren serve as a psychological weapon but it was also hindering enemy communications."CEASE FIRE! THE BATTLE IS OURS!"You kept patrol back and forth as the wounded and drowning were being rescued from the ships that were in the process of sinking. They were working hard to try and save the vessels they could, but for most vessels it was too late. Once an explosive shell hit the prow and waterline reached the point where the explosive round blew a hole in, you had little time before the vessel would begin to sink beneath the waves.The vessels that survived were ones where the shell had hit a bit high and bitten a gnarly chunk off the vessel, sending splinters flying about.You watch through your looking glass as some of the rescue crew are throwing javelins into the sea to fend off the sharks lured by the men covered in splinters."Is it over? Did we really win against a Free City, just like that?"You collapse your looking glass and stow it away"We shall see. The Battle is won, but the War continues if they so decide. Luckily it would seem I had grossly overestimated the opposition we would face."A small, albeit familiar begins approaching under the flag of truce"Speak of the devil, I suppose we will find out how they stand."[ Noble Captain Norys Orelar! It is well to see you emerged from the battle unscathed! ]He gives you a clearly forced smile[ As it is with you, Noble Lord Tallon of Port Maw. The Grand Admiral would like a word with you in private aboard his ship if you would deign to accept. ] > [ I will of course, accept. ] ( Go aboard the emissary's vessel and leave Rickar in charge. ) > [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ] > [ Only if he sails his magnificent ship to where my brother can sink it should you decide to murder me under banner of truce. ] > [ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ] > Write in
>>3522189Oh, also, because you did persuade your brother and the fleet to go on this venture and they didn't like murder you in your sleep or anything, I'm raising your persuasion to 4
>>3522189> [ I will of course, accept. ] ( Go aboard the emissary's vessel and leave Rickar in charge. )chad mode
>>3522189> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]Given the outcome it is clear who should come to whom
>>3522189>> [ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ]
>>3522189> [ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ]Not that he would murder us when we set foot on his ship but there is the possibility of a hostage situation. I would rather we meet as equals on the sea. Besides, Im sure he has more than a few fancy skiffs around.
>>3522189> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]
>>3522189>we shall meet halfway on dea aboard skiffs.Yeah as much as I'd like too you full Chad mode we dont have high enough combat skills to solo the whole ship and escape if they decide we are too high a threat to let live.
>>3522189 > [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]>Word it politely, we already went out of our way to be genteel, no need to piss on the pudding this late in the game. I don't want us to be ungraceful winners. Also, speak in Common. If they want to send messengers, they should know to send someone who can understand us."Firstly, allow me congratulate him by your proxy on a battle most gallantly fought! The seamanship of your sailors is truly admirable, not fleeing the moment the battle began. Top marks all around regarding their behaviour, really, we're all professionals here and there is, I think, no shame in admitting the virtues of one's foes.I do think it would rather contravene your own maritime sense of fair play if I were to accept the Grand Admiral's invitation to his vessel, however. I was under the impression that you were conceding defeat - hence the flag-waving - and that this brief intermission between our fervent exchange of ideas was to facilitate the acceptance of his surrender to yours truly. And as all gentlemen of the seas know, the defeated captain - or as it is the case here, the defeated Grand Admiral - enters the vessel of the victor to sign the end to the battle.Or am I to understand that the good Grand Admiral believes himself the victor of our little exchange? Do please clarify the meaning behind your Grand Admiral's message, because we're about ready for another round of explosions. My ensign estimates that we have consumed twenty per cent-""Ten per cent, Captain Tallon.""-Ten percent of our available munitions. Which is of course not taking into account our -other- warships staying behind. How many did Lord Jorah bring again, ensign?""I'll have to check again, Captain, but there were around a dozen of them all told.""A dozen! Well, we're no Crown Fleet of Westeros, but I think it'll do for this crusade. I hope your Grand Admiral will take into account the fact that we only came in with one ship as a gesture of goodwill, instead of bringing in the rest of the squadron. But forgive me, I do babble on... you were saying, Captain Orelar?"
>>3522212No point lying about us being mister baller who forced Tyrosh to surrender with a single ship. Jorah is just logistics.
>>3522215https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPEI'm not saying that Jorah's ships will attack Tyrosh, just that we have backup and that they... can't refuse. You know. Because of the implication.
>>3522189> [ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ]
>>3522189>[ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ]
>>3522189> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]While i would like to tour that that lovely grand flagship, it is customary for the victor to host the talks of surrender, and I am certain the most honorable Grand Admiral would love to come aboard my ship, especially as I have no the fleet to be tempted in recruiting a Grand Admiral of his impressive command skills.
>>3522189> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]I sense an assassination plot
>>3522189> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]>Word it politely, we already went out of our way to be genteel, no need to piss on the pudding this late in the game. I don't want us to be ungraceful winners. Also, speak in Common. If they want to send messengers, they should know to send someone who can understand us.
>>3522189>[ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]
>>3522120So wait, we've sank 26.8% of their fleet and damaged a further 8% of what remains? When you put it like that it is impossible to imagine them risking another attack...but makes me want to strike yet again, for more blood and more silver.>>3522189> [ We shall meet halfway on sea aboard skiffs. ]I don't trust him to not try some alchemist trick or something once he is on our ship. I'd rather we do this at sea where any such trick can be escaped by a little swim.
>>3522189>> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]lol, we won. So get in here
>>3522189>> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ]our campaign is just may the seven bless the winning spoils also, let's send a raven to our family
Also, seeing as we're about to have a giant amount of money, we might want to see about rebuilding our residence into a properly palatial or fortified space given how strong we're about to be and how piddly our current one is.
I'd rather not let anyone we don't trust on our boat when things like wildfire exist desu.
sugoi chinpo oniichan
>>3523286Eeeh, I doubt the admiral would be packing wildfire for this kind of situation. No doubt he had expect conventional warfare, that this would be easy when we were so out-numbered, so why bother?
>>3522396Also backing this. I don't want to give off impressions out cowardice by NOT leaving our vessel but I don't want him pulling any dirty Tyroshi tricks when he's aboard either.
>>3522189>> [ Only if he sails his magnificent ship to where my brother can sink it should you decide to murder me under banner of truce. ]
>>3522191>John Rambo>>3522191>Tell him to come to you>>3522192>>3522198>>3522201>>3522212>>3522256>>3522281>>3522300>>3522348>>3522821>>3522846>>3522927>Meet halfway>>3522196>>3522197>>3522205>>3522236>>3522247>>3522396
>>3524037Yarr you pand lubbers
> [ If he wishes for a meeting, let him sail out himself. ] [1/2][ If he wishes for a meeting, he can come and sail out to meet me himself. I should think it's only proper, seeing that I consider myself the victor of this bout ours that it is he who sails to meet under the flag of truce, not I. ]He nods[ As you will, I shall relay this message to him. ]After few hours or so, the same vessel returned with a brightly dressed man with a noble bearing, meaning that he was carrying a lot of bling, had good posture and had the eyes of someone who was always looking down on people.[ Greetings! Might I presume you to be Noble Adaros of House Rodinar? ][ You presume correctly! ]He speaks whilst making a bowing motion[ I take it you are the Lord Arthur Tallon ][ I am he ][ As you requested, I have arrived. Might I board your vessel so that we may discuss things in privacy? ][ Do you mind coming aboard alone? ][ Not at all ]"Lower the ladder for him."Once he came aboard, you lead him to the Captain's quarters."Impressive ship" He speaks in common as he looks at your office"Thank you, I made it myself. Care for some tea?""Don't mind if I do."He says, and you pour him some of the steaming herbal broth."Unusual flavor""The blend is still a work in progress, but I've grown rather fond of it.""So, a Shipwright. Wouldn't have guessed.""I like to think myself as a man of culture. Oh, and if you'd like, we can discuss in Valyrian, I'm fine either way.""Oh no, I'd rather it be in common. Whilst I don't think they'll hear me here, it's always good to be cautious.""Politics?""More a force of habit. They do not need to know what is being discussed, so they don't need to understand it."You nod in approval"Understandable. Now, I take it this is not purely a social call.""As much as I wish it were, but alas...""So what do you say? Call it quits here or we up for another round.""If we'd go for another round, our fleet would be reinforced by over a thousand civilian ships. Even if you were somehow to be triumphant, there'd still be the city itself to resist you."
[ 2/2 ]"Yes, this would naturally be the case if I were to seek to annex your territories, but let's be honest here. All I'm asking for here is some money and some very specific slaves, which cannot be obtained by law abiding citizens anyhow. Politically speaking, I don't think it's a very popular stance to be supporting the shadier elements of the slave trade."You take a sip of your tea as you continue"Militarily speaking? I do not see the problem of the militia fleet insurmountable, merely inconvenient. However should you provide me such a battle and I emerge victorious, even if Tyrosh resisted to the bitter end to meet my demands and I was forced to leave empty handed, the city would be left in such a state that the I can easily recoup my losses by simply threatening to do the same to Lys or Myr."At the last sentence his face turned into a smile."So it is money you are after?"You shrug"I seek to liberate my countrymen, but of course that doesn't mean I don't see the potential profit to be made from doing so."He ponders for a moment whilst nursing his cup of tea, as if thinking how to put his next sentence into words."The Conclave and the Archon might be convinced in conceding defeat and paying you to go away, along with giving you such few Westerosi slaves that exist in this country...""Buuut?""But, I'm sure it would make things a fair bit easier if I could tell them they are getting something in return.""Such as?""If you could be convinced to be co-belligerent in our struggles in the Stepstones and to strike our foreign rivals, I could make the case before them that it is more profitable to be your friend and your enemy.""Ah, so give them a bloody nose and fleece them for coin and slaves in name of liberation as well?""Little more specific than that. There is a fortified Castle Island in control of Myr. From there they send reinforcements, supplies and we suspect, store the coin from for their mercenaries.""So what sort of job are we talking about? Secure a landing site?""As fine a prize as it would be, all you need to do is to sink all the ships docked there and then strike at Myr directly, blockading them, rest will be handled by our generals.">"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal.">"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port.">Write-in
>>3524072* more profitable to be your friend than your enemy."
>>3524072>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."> and we can get a even better deal than that by shelling the city
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."As long as we have a decent casus belli and can play off the fort siege as necessary, why not? I mean, we came here to make money after all. Though I would ask what ships are docked there. If its Myrish military ships then no bother. If its Westerosi or third parties that may be more of a problem.
>>3524072>"We have already declared open war upon your city, it'd be in poor taste if I was swayed away from my words by underhand politics. I must apologise but my intentions towards your port have not changed."
>>3524072>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."We've made sure all our crew fervently despise the Tyroshi, we've stated our intentions to wage war against the Tyroshi to every person of note in Westeros, and we've justified such an endeavour based on moral principle.Hiring ourselves out to Tyrosh now will not look good in the eyes of anyone except the Tyroshi themselves, and we have more than enough firepower to simply defeat them by going for round two.
>>3524077Qm can we even shell a city
>>3524079You realize we will get more of their gold, a better claim to attack Myr with (which we were going to do anyway) and good relations with Tyrosh? Its a pretty good deal, assuming the target ships are military with no extra entanglements.>>3524077Why though? QM literally just wrote the more profitable path...
>>3524081We are not "hiring ourselves out". We are "acting upon the information provided by our new enlightened friends". Very sharp difference. Plus, we have the Persuasion to do it better too now.>>3524082Yes, but we cant level it, more set it on fire and clear a few blocks. Its a naval ship, not a siege platform with infinite ammo. Plus, it would be expensive as fuck.
>>3524081>>3524079These anons have the right of it. Working for the tyrosh might be profitable, but it will absolutely gut our reputation. Best thing we can do is win, get what riches we can get from crushing them, and by completing the course reap the rewards to our reputation back home. Morally upright and noble lord is a much better image than vicious money grabber who can be bought off and who values lucre more than his principles and word.
>>3524086I dont think you get how this works. We are not signing a decree stating we are now hired by them. They give us intel on which we happen to act. Not like doing so is out of our way in the first place.
Some points to consider before we accept this merchant-admiral's offer:- We have the capacity to fuck with their port city. Emphasis on port. - The "militia fleet" is a mostly empty threat, especially after the ass-whooping the regular military vessels received. Owners of such trading fleets are powerful men within the city by their own right, and there is no way they will risk their personal money-laying trade fleets if the costs are "reasonable" enough to send us away.- The admiral is desperate. He wishes to salvage -something- from the spectacular loss. He is putting on a brave face, dangling an opportunity to be "friendly" with Tyrosh while fleecing Myr, but in reality he has no pieces on the table in the short term - and that is what matters in a city that can be blockaded by our single ship.-Tyrosh relies on maritime trade to feed its population.-Tyrosh relies on maritime trade to FEED ITS POPULATION.I would like to suggest we separate this seemingly-single deal into two. In part the first, we have the matter of the Battle to resolve. Have them accept defeat, draft an official letter of apology for enslaving free Westerosi, LET OUR PEOPLE GO, and receive compensation for various extraneous costs. This is all done above-board in a very public manner. Send ravens to the Seven Kingdoms if you want.Part the twain is a secret treaty, in which we accept harassing other Free Cities (which we were going to do anyway) for an additional cost, NO public declaration of Tyrosh-Tallon military friendship (looks bad for Westerosi nobles back home, and might paint a bad picture on what we just did - launch a Crusade - to turn 180 degrees so suddenly), and no specific targets aside from us repeating Tyrosh Incident on Myr. Plus a guarantee of not repeating this Incident if they keep their noses clean of dealing with Westerosi slave merchandise.
>>3524082You have Little over 90% left on explosives ammo.You can shoot regular cannon balls I guess, but it has less oomph.If they decide to resist to the bitter end, they can weather the storm and you run out of ammo far before they run out of buildings.
>>3524090This plan is basically what I am proposing.
>>3524087I don't think you understand how important reputation and honor is in a fuedal society. We have publicly stated our intent to pursue a righteous campaign against Tyrosh, not only to our crew, but to our Lord and to our peers. If we change our coats, even if we give some manner of excuse, people are going to remember it. Our crew will remember it. Our lord will remember it. Our peers will remember it. They will remember that we said one thing, and then did another. Can we justify and get away with it? Probably. Will Stark ever forget that we did? No. Will Stark give a shit about our political justifications? No, frankly the man won't. He doesn't play the game well enough for that.
>>3524072>>3524090I vote for this we can only do this if they offer their public surrender first. We have a reputation to uphold after all.
>>3524093You dont get it. We will go on Crusading on Myr anyway, whether or not Tyrosh wants a deal. Further, the Tyroshi deal is obviously not broadcast. How would this have a negative effect? We did what we set out to do - free our countrymen.
>>3524078Oh yes, Myr and Lys have Westerosi slaves both, this you know.Highborn ones are especially in demand in Lys.
>>3524081You forget that our primary casus bell is the enslavement of Westerosi. Once they fulfill that part of the bargain (and pay us some money to make up for forcing us to come all the way here to whoop their arses) we lose any official right to wage war against them. The honour debt of our race is satisfied with the Moses'ing of our people.Also, we are going to FC others anyway within short order, presumably. Ours is a righteous crusade to free our brethren, not act like a mercenary! That does not mean we can't receive a little bonus on the side for doing what we were going to do anyway, as long as it's kept on the down low. >>3524092Wanted to point things out to the anons who might be forgetting some relevant points to help them steer to the optimal choice. (to no one in particular)If the Tyrosh demand a public declaration of friendship between Arthur and the recently-enlightened enslaving city state, that is when we are going to have a problem. Optics matters a lot here, especially in such a dramatic amalgamation of political-social-religious-diplomatic act as ours. We should NOT be seen as being the bad guy for the sake of money, and the most positive association we get should be as "the man who bullied a list of westerosi slavers' names (in Myr) out of Tyroshi spice princes' grasps".
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."So, after suffering our holy fury and witnessing our righteousness, the Tyroshi not only admitted to their crime and paid reparation, but they even choose to make amend and repent by following us in our most Just Crusade and freeing the Westerosi slave.How is that for a narrative?
>>3524083Anon, we made sure that our men are happy to fight the Tyroshi. We sent out a proclamation of war against them for everyone to hear. If we are bought out now then we lose our respect and reputation. We'd be no better than a whore fucking for money, we're looking for a committed and strong relationship with our neighbouring houses which will last much longer than a bit more gold gained right now..
>>3524086You wouldn't really be working for them, you would be working WITH them, at least as long as your military objectives are fulfilled.Basically, they give you the slaves and money, you go and fuck up Myr. Once Myr releases Westerosi Slaves and gives you money, your military objectives are complete and on your part the war ends.The Tyroshi however will likely make some gains in contested lands to make up for the loss in money and slaves tho.
>>3524102Can’t we also ask for some of there ship with the loot ? Trade deals etc
>>3524101See >>3524102We are not hiring ourselves out ffs. We are not announcing we are getting some money for the crusade and some money for fucking up Myr. Its a sideline gig that will neither disrupt our current goals nor project any other image of us than is already being cast.
As for the narrative of hitting up Myr, we have some options. Other anons who are cleverer than I can surely think of ways to ensure we do not receive negative PR.The McCarthy: "I bullied Tyrosh into giving me a list of names of COMMUNI- I mean Westerosi SLAVERS! And Myr is on the shit list now that Tyrosh received Enlightenment." [Politician-Militant]The McArthur: "We must make use of the newly-turned Japane- Tyroshi to further our anti-slaver efforts. If that means using information extracted from the Tyroshi, who were only a moment ago one of them, so be it." [Grim Crusader]Never, in any of the scenarios, should we mention the financial incentives provided by Tyrosh to hit up Myr specifically.
Just saying We need to make a profit in this crusade From the tyrosh and the other free city’s
>>3524106Death is a preferable alternative to working with the enemy.
>>3524104If you want to loot the ships you attack, that's your prerogative. They don't care.Although it's pretty dangerous to loot ships on a fortified outpost or when there's an enemy fleet nearby.
>>3524110Indeed ( we could visit them after but we need to finish tyrosh first)
count me in for the money and the deal but only if its kept on the down low and our people are freed like the anons said above with the whole working with the slavers is too politically incorrect for some minor bumfuck northern house.
>>3524113As in as part of the “ deal” can we ask for the ships that are intact or just a trade deal with the money for attacking myr
>>3524115Thats the plan. Our Crusade wont change, our PR wont change but we just "find" some extra cash in return for making a detour and sinking a couple boats we would probably sink anyway.
>>3524118What do you envisage needing from Tyrosh that we need a standing trade deal, anon? We don't have merchant ships, their ships will prefer to get to White Harbour than our tiny port. Do you have a concrete idea of what you desire?
>>3524072>I Thik I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port.Fire on the fuckers. We came to fuck up Tyrosh, we will be a man of our word. We'll have every fat old merchant in the city scrambling to pay us not to blow up their warehouses and block their trade within the week.
>>3524125We prob can blockade there ports for a while
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal.">Write-in"But know that this is a lucky one time deal,as my men are thirsty for slavers blood.""For asking me to besiege a target of your enemies,I demand 100% looting rights. Any and all items I find belongs to me.""However,your city is not off the leash yet. Should I find more reports of human poaching back at westeros after this,it will be my 2nd and last trip back to your city."They offerings only placates us for the time being.
>>3524125You realize our "mission" was to free slaves, yeah? Not to bomb the Tyroshi to the ground.
4 for papers 3 for sinking there fleet
>>3524090You do realize that attacking someone without declaring war on them actually looks a LOT worse than working with the Tyroshi to any extent, especially after they've agreed to make concessions and free the Westerosi slaves.
>>3524180Just send the pamphlet around with 'Myr' instead of 'Tyrosh'. I assumed we would be announcing Crusade 2: Electric Boogaloo before waging it, like the oceanic gentlemen that we are?
>>3524190Mainly referencing to the secret treaty, as it implies that you aren't publicly conducting a war against them.Besides, it's not bad optics if they agree to free their slaves and give you money for your troubles and you forgive them for enslaving the Westerosi since they paid for their crimes.After all, when they see reason, no reason to beat them further or hide the fact and no reason you can't work together with them to free more westerosi slaves.
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."CASH CASH CASH
>>3524226Yeah this should be our approach
>>3524090my vote for this
>>3524090My guy, you have my support
>>3524226just to ask are we currently warring against just tyrosh or was the crusade declaration targeted to all slaver cities near us.Because if it was just tyrosh none of these plans are great as you seem to be implying.
>>3524072>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."sink the dink
>>3524313We have letters set aside for Myr and Lys as well already. Just need the go-ahead.>>3524347pic related
>>3524385"Gods I hate Tyroshi. My grandfather hated Tyroshi too, and that was before they put his eyes out"Blue haired fuckers. Burn it down.
Burn there fleet
>>3524072>Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."
Reminder that we are getting reparations + freed Westerosi already. We've been behaving like civilised men so far, which is probably why the admiral felt safe to come visit in our ship.You guys are about to Daenerys this shit up. Never go full Ironborn.
>>3524226Let me get this straight. So we already accomplished what we se out to do, the Tyroshi will pay us and free the slaves. If we agree with their proposal, we will get more money and free more slaves than we set out to do? And in fact it will be justified and won't affect our reputation? Am I getting this right? While I'm not smart about Got and feudal politics in general, the MC is not. If what is being suggested is something clearly stupid and MC should know it, please tell us. Otherwise, my vote is agreeing with the suggestion but first make sure that they pay us and free the slaves
>>3524522Its clearly the Admiral trying to cover his own ass by having us aid him while getting more money. We wont suffer any political fallout, we will gain a stronger casus belli and better relations with Tyrosh.Its literally either trying to Daenerys Tyrosh or doing a Littlefinger and getting stinky filthing rich for no real effort.
>>3524531even more rich*
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."You guys wanting to go full Dany are retarded if you don't think it ends with slave crucifixion and human shields.
Why are you voting to make our cash grab more obvious to our lord paramount and just take their money don’t make any deals with them just get what we came for and if we have to sink some more ships then do it
We can do the same thing to Myrish later
>>3524560We are reducing loss of live and getting help to free more slaves, I don’t see how our Lord would be angry with us.
>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."
>>3524566also they are not paying usthey are appeasing us. and gave us info on more loot before hitting the main city of Myr
What's the current tally?
Also what are the chance they want to attack us from behind when we attempt to deal with the fort we would be trapped between land and their fleet
>>3524573Looking at 100k to 220k if we take the deal and roll well. Otherwise 100k, as I understand it.
>>3524575Except we are faster and they are fucked if they do that. Especially up-close. Keep in mind we also have cannons at the front and back.
>>3524072>>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."
>>3524575Then you could make a deal with Myr I suppose.
They are paying us extra just to do what we would have done anyway. I am not sure you sinkers understand that there will be no repercussions, because we're not being "hired", we are being paid to "please go away and by the way these guys who aren't us have Westerosi slaves too".All the while, some of you are asking for salvage rights to a bunch of rapidly sinking ships that can't offer much unless you have dedicated deep divers who, for some reason, you seem to think can lift chestfuls of gold (that don't exist in -warships- in the first place).Why?
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."
>>3524522Yes, you achieve what the crusade set out to do if you agree to assist them in fucking Myr. Basically, there's a possibility that either the Myrish kill you or they make up for the loss of ships, coin and slaves by further gains on contested lands.Westerosi slave trade was ALWAYS something that was relatively a minor cut in slave trade and for rich folk there's always the black market.
>>3524313It's just Tyrosh now, you have other letter bombs ready to be deployed by gormless agents who were a steady flow of coppers to keep those letters around until they heard the code word from a messenger.Once they heard it, then they would send letters as agreed and get bag of silvers for their troubles.Naturally you picked illiterates for this job.
>>3524522Rad fells like someone who'll fuck us up in the long run depending on the choice we make now, it makes sense in asoiaf setting. I fear like we should be chaotic good right now and kill the fuckers.
>>3524616>good>mass murder a city with bombs
I suggest we accept the Tyroshi's kind gesture of gifting us with the detail of military target Westerosi slave-holding Myreneese areas and return to King's Landing with Jorahrafts laden with reparation cash, while the letterbombs make their rounds, this time on Myr. After all, it wouldn't do to hit them out of the blue. Repeat the theatrics with the crusade announcement with Myr in place of Tyrosh, and we'll be set.A gentle reminder: The merchants were only willing to deal with us, because they thought we were willing to be dealt with. If you guys vote Daenerys, you will get Daenerys. Whether you want to spend the rest of your time finding crucified Westerosi slaves inland or not is up to you.
>>3524619Chaotic dogooders man, they suck each other off man.
>>3524522Yes, the MC would know more or less how to make it not seem unnecessarily shady.Also, religiously speaking you are totally in the clear to accept this deal. In fact, there is support for it in the Seven Pointed Star if you want to make that argument.Ultimately tho, the thing you need to remember is there are no news cameras or reporters. You can spin a narrative you like, bards and mummers will make whatever shows they like about it, often to highest bidders.
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."Even if they try to double cross us, you could just cut a deal if things go really poorly.
>>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."We'll just be warring on two fronts, and when tyrosh Does betray our ass all the free cities will be on our ass too.
>>3524677What part of 25% of warfleet dead in 3 hours leaves you to believe they would try this shit again and risk being even weaker vs the other two cities?
>>3524621Basically this is the best deal we can get>>3524072>get me some papers incriminating the myrish
>>3524681Their entire culture is founded on pompous assholes. If their willing to use civilian ships and don't know about the steam engine in the ship they would definitively be willing to rush and overwhelm.
>>3524688Yeah we didnt even really move they have no idea how fast we can move and for how long
>>3524703We were moving under steam power though, in addition to the wind. Speedy as fuck.>>3524688They are pompous, not retarded. Whats more, they are business men. Stop being so goddamn paranoid.
>>3524727>you just tempted murphy's
We should totally write down machiavel; everyone in the nobility would buy it :P
>>3524753Half the anons here should buy it as well, from the looks of the votes
>>3524347We already fucked up Tyrosh, who is the naval power.Ok. Our objectives are to get ludicrous amounts of money and free westerosi slaves for massive positive reputation gainsWe have conducted ourselves with gallantry and poise, and conducted a very fine display of complete naval superiority over their fleet.They know they are beaten and the Admiral knows he is going to get fucked one way or another.This is not about Tyrosh per say as much as it is about the Admiral, the Admiral who I will remind you is in command of a very professional navy and is of very sound military mind, and know we know of a very sound political mind.He has political enemies that will want if not his head then him replaced or forced into charging our guns again, but if he comes with a succesful negociation of us being willing to do some small sellsail job, then he is the one who got the ear of the fleetkiller ship and its aid for Tyrosh, once Tyrosh of course pays the price for the whole slaved westerosi and having to use our ship on them thing - a thing he would be very interested in facilitating as that is prereq of us helping him.Thus, here are my aims. First we agree with this in principle, however, we strike Lys first.Why? Lys is a greater naval power than Myr as it is a island nation and they are rather known for the quality of their sailors.More importantly, Lys is the one who is most definitely holding the highest number and percentage of noble westerosi as slaves- they are the ones who would cater to such a demand in their pleasure houses.Politically for us getting to Lys before they can liquidate their stock of westerosi slaves, who once on ships further east wont be a thing we can intercept.Sure we might hit them and they will have to hand all the westerosi slaves they still have, and treasure but if they are smart - and i would not want to underestimate them, they would sell them or ship them out so prize slaves are not available, one way or another - the higher status and attractiveness the more this is likely to be done to the slaves considering what Lys likes to focus on: breeding their slaves to perfection.Myr meanwhile, while it has fine craftsmen it too would want to liquidate, is not the same as bringing back large numbers of nobles who will be personally indebted to us for life.This is something that should be seriously considered as with all that political support having people try to fuck with us on the political scene would become impossible - especially the court of the iron throne who is about half lannister. And this will also help insulate our family in the reach a bit with a lot of houses that are predisposed to counter intrigues aimed at them and regard them in a rather positive light - as our family in the south will be our active southern political operators and proxies while we seclude ourselves to Port Maw to pursue new project with all the loot once we are done with our Crusades and Victory Tour.
>>3524780Inl support this anon if we can vote for Myr next this is a sound idea and killing the naval powers first before they can liquidate is an excellent idea.
>>3524072>>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."
>>3524780I agree, but its not like after we agree to hit Myr we agree to do it soon. They can give us a few months I hope.
>>3524780>limit breakI am certain we can delay the Myr job, but if we could get a Lys job too, that would be rather fun, and perhaps a nice coup for him too, provided they have the manpower to not overextend.So potentially the vote i think should go like this.>"Get me some papers incriminating the Lysheni and Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal, but first I am going to Lys, and would appreciate a similar offer for the lovely city."This way we get two extra jobs, the Admiral gets more than he initially hoped, and we get more money.
>>3524180>>3524190No need to be autistic. Lots of Westerosi highborn manage visit essos and he free cities and interact with the essosi without being blacklisted.Plus we show that we are not unreasonable. We came to do a fucking thing, we did it - free westerosi, and then we turned it around and had them assist us in furthering our crusades to other cities with a lot more accurate information.Lists of all the Myrish and Lysheni slaves they got would be quite useful in making sure we got important people back, and they do not get 'misplaced'
>>3524072>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."So just to recap on what I think the current plan people want to do is:1) Take our ransom of slaves + cash from the Tyrosh. Send them back to Westeros immediately on our mate's boats. Maybe have a little party with the Tyrosh to say no hard feelings (our ship has standing orders that if we don't return, it continues attacking).2) Send out a second wave of letters across the realm announcing our success and the new target of Myr with the information from the Tyrosh, giving them a month to meet our terms or else. Mostly so we can go meet Stark and ask him to forgive us for this, repay our loan and show off all the people we freed.3) After this, do the same with Lys using yet more evidence from the Tyrosh.4) At this point we should have as much as 120,000 to 180,000 Gold Dragons depending on what we manage to extract from each between 40,000 or 60,000. That translates out to 600 and 800 wealth. Not counting everything else we've gotten. Carrying on would be kinda pointless, return home for real and get to being a rich ass bastard.Do I have that right?
>>3524993yeah but we are thinking of hitting lys first insted of myr
>>3524993>1) Take our ransom of slaves + cash from the Tyrosh. Send them back to Westeros immediately on our mate's boats.Yes>Maybe have a little party with the Tyrosh to say no hard feelings (our ship has standing orders that if we don't return, it continues attacking).No, even if we try to be nice, its gunna take some time for the hurt feelings and dead bodies to cool off.>2) Send out a second wave of letters across the realm announcing our success and the new target of Myr with the information from the Tyrosh, giving them a month to meet our terms or else. Mostly so we can go meet Stark and ask him to forgive us for this, repay our loan and show off all the people we freed.Imo we should go for Lys for the reasons listed here>>35247803) After this, do the same with Lys using yet more evidence from the Tyrosh.Go after Myr as step three with info from Tryrosh yes, but also try to get a similar deal from the Lys people. No reason we cant double dip.>4) At this point we should have as much as 120,000 to 180,000 Gold Dragons depending on what we manage to extract from each between 40,000 or 60,000. That translates out to 600 and 800 wealth. Not counting everything else we've gotten. Carrying on would be kinda pointless, return home for real and get to being a rich ass bastard.Yes
>>3524993Pretty much, except for the party bit, I think the part that says no hard feelings is us not sinking the rest of their fleet and just leaving with the information.
Okay so correcting what >>3525005 and >>3525008 said, 1) Finish up here, take our winnings, settle buisness in Westeros with Stark.2) Have another wave of letters announcing that our next crusade target is Lys, giving them some time to surrender to our demands before we strike.3) Hit Myr, same as the above.4) Return to Westeros, throw massive party, get married, spend our excessive wealth.
>>3524727I'm just giving my perspective mate. I can be as paranoid as I please seeing as we have been screwed by less by not thinking.
>>3525030Ill remind you the deal means we sink some Myrish ships at a fort. Thus I would say its a matter of urgency.Agree to the deal, immideatly send out the ravens, take a week to transfer the slaves and loot from Tyrosh and then head for the Myrish outpost in question before hitting up the city itself.>>3525328Suppose I cant fault you for that. Still, QM himself has said they wont actually backstab due to political concerns.
>>3525612They might backstab you if the benefits from doing so outweigh the benefits from not doing so or they have a personal vendetta against you.Exactly how it was in the Song of Ice and Fire.
>>3525629Currently no personal vendetta and the admiral stands to deal a blow to Myr for the benefit of Tyrosh. Seems pretty cut and dry.
>>3524993Keep in mind you have no knowledge Stark has sent you a message
>"Get me some papers incriminating the Myrish for possession of Westerosi slaves and you got yourself a deal."Best to consolidate on taking the job then and decide later.
We will probably need there boat to carry the free slaves And will we go to westeros first and hit lys or lys them westeros
>>3525713We already have Jorah to handle transport and as soon as things are in order in Tyrosh we will hit Myr. Then we see if the Myrish and Tyroshi want us to fuck up Lys while we are over there. No point sailing around Westeros until we are done in the east and its PR/money-management time.
>>3525721The plan is to hit lys first because they will have more slaves and bigger navyThey will prob liquidate there “ loot”
>>3525724Navy is a non-issue (tyrosh was biggest and got fucked in 3 hours) and they cant really sell the slaves anywhere. Not like anyone else will take them, much less in such a short timeframe. And if they liquidate their loot? Easier for us to carry.
>>3525728Liquidate as selling to the people of slaver bay
>>3525739After seeing what we have done to the three close-by slaver cities and after learning that we are only after westerosi slaves, do you really think *anybody* would be looking at buying them? If Lys has heard about our Crusade, any slavers, whether local or visiting, will have as well.The price of Westerosi slaves will plummet and the slavers will look for ways to sell them, sure, but nobody will buy them. And again, the time frame we are talking about is a month or two, nowhere near enough time to drop many slaves with such news of a Crusade broadening its initial scope. Any slaver dumb enough to want to buy westerosi after the news spreads will have been eaten out of the competition long ago.
>>3524072>"I think I can get a better deal if I just go and sink all your ships in port."
>>3525792Can we vote to hit lys first or do we have to hit myr ?
>>3525688True but we do need to return to get more ammo just in case our next target is less willing to capitulate so we can find out once we return to our holdings to restock.
>The Anti-Semitic Sympathizers of Palestine>>3524077>>3524079>>3524081>>3524086>>3524101>>3524125>>3524590>>3524677>>3525788>The Chosen People of Israel>>3524078>>3524090>>3524095>>3524099>>3524100>>3524115>>3524130>>3524603>>3524664>>3524683>>3524725>>3524784>>3524993>>3525709
>>3525793What difference does it make? Do you want to spare Myr for some reason? Ultimately if you plan to strike both, who cares about the order you do it in?
>>3525800>Implying I am not a Crusader here to kick the infidels in the Balls and claim Jerusalem.
>>3525800>That imageSo were a million jews sharing a soul each? That's one hell of a saving!
Give me stewardship test to see how much you can fleece out of them 3x 7d6 (3 lowest dice discarded on each roll)
Rolled 1, 4, 6, 3, 6, 5, 4 = 29 (7d6)>>3525805
Rolled 2, 1, 4, 1, 6, 2, 4 = 20 (7d6)>>3525805
Rolled 1, 4, 3, 2, 4, 2, 5 = 21 (7d6)>>3525805
>>3525806All hail the monopoly king
King's ransom it is
>>3525808>>3525812205 000 Gold Dragons for the opression of our people. Oy Vey!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSNZK4Je-Y
>>3525815> someone lost there job
What is the exchange rate of 1 wealth to golden dragons ?
>>3525823200 Dragons = 1 wealth. Though excessive spending might make 1 wealth not go as far according to OP.
>>3525823Yea, you can't maintain 1 Wealth = 200 Dragons if you literally dump 200k into the Northern market.
>>3525824>Thats alot Time to repeat with the other city’s and investment in the economy Also another ship
>>3525830200k is starting to reach into Kingdom level money.
>>3525830> mfw we start the great northern inflation and the westeros Great Recession
>>3525832>Also another shipOnly the one? We could easily afford three or four and maybe even another steam engine or two without straining our budget for anything else.>>3525833Starting? The Crown's debt is only 6,000,000 Gold pieces or 30 times greater. This is like a person in the modern world robbed singapore and made off with 8,366,666,666 dollars (using france's debt because they're a fairly good nation to compare Westeros to).>>3525835It is a genuine risk.
>>3525835I mean, Robert inserted Millions gold into the economy by going into debt (even if quite a bit got pilfered by little finger); if that didn’t result in inflation, our little 200k certainly isn’t going to do it.
>The Chosen People of Israel[1/2]"That sounds reasonable, although I must remind you that I am not a mercenary. I am a gentleman who doesn't wage war without a sufficient cause, so if you could grant me some evidence on Westerosi slaves sold to Myr, that'd make things easier on my side to start a campaign of liberation against them. However, being that I am waging a war to liberate my countrymen, there's no reason I cannot coordinate with the men who saw the reason and righteousness in my cause. But of course in truth, I would be doing this detour as a favor and I should like the city meet me half way in order to... prop up my wartime reparations, shall we say?"He smiles"Glad to see you are such a reasonable individual, albeit the specifics on the conclusion of this war must wait until I've brought this to the Conclave and the Archon."You return a smile in turn"But of course! Naturally I shall be enforcing the blockade until such a date that they come to a conclusion on the matter, so if you wouldn't mind relaying that message to your civilian population, we could avoid unfortunate mishaps.""Naturally."The two of you finish the jam tarts and tea before you escort him off the ship.[ Here's some Herbal Liqueur in as a souvenir. Makes for a good conversation starter no matter how this ends. ][ Our foe is a most generous host. Farewell, I shall hope you will be hearing from me soon. ]And so you did.After four days of maintaining the blockade and turning away ships as well as preventing, the ones at the port from leaving, you were once again visited by the man."The Archon and the most Noble Conclave have decided that Westerosi slaves shall indeed be henceforth considered contraband. Purchasing them is now considered a criminal act as they are not legally obtained slaves and thus such slaves shall be released from bondage with a stipend from the state to compensate for their losses, provided you uplift the embargo.""Yes, and then there's the issue of the wartime reparations which are mine by right as the victor of this conflict.""We are prepared to offer you 10 000 Gold Dragons.""OY VEY! This is like another Shoah! I need at least 30 000 000 for every jewish soul lost.""WHAT! 300 000? What do you need 280 000 for?""My family will grow hungry, if I you can't at least meet me half way and give me 500 000!""500 000! HELP! POLICE! THIS ANTI-SEMITE IS TRYING TO GENOCIDE ME OUT OF 100 000!""I have no more oats brother. Without them my people surely will perish, therefore I require at least 250 000! With them, surely I shall survive the winter.""It is summer brother, we you need not so many oats.""205 000 oats then. I am a reasonable man.""OY VEY!"
[2/2]This went on for hours, both sides screaming, spitting, guilt tripping, insulting, crying and bemoaning to the other until finally you ended up in a conclusion."Your reparations will be 205 000 Gold Dragons worth of treasure. Quarter in gemstones, Half in gold and Quarter in spices and silver. That's as high as the city of Tyrosh is willing to go."You nod"I find that reasonable, my associates shall be arriving to pick the cargo up and giving free passage for the former slaves, such as they are.""Should not be that many. Five to Six thousand at best, rest sold to wherever."IMPORTANT DECISION!>Who do you request handle the freed slaves?>Your Liege?>The Crown?>The Faith?>Write-in
>>3525843>Implying Westeros has only a single, seamlessly integrated market where prices remain universal throughout the board
>>3525850>... The Citadel?
>>3525850>The Faith?I mean, we just did something that no other Westerosi has managed to do and freed literally thousands of faithful men, women and children. The least the church can do is make sure they get home or to our lands...It might be wise to consider handing them to the Crown or our Liege to sweeten our relations and soften any hard feelings.
>>3525850>>The Faith?IMO they are the group best suited for this task.
>>3525850>The CrownSince we are releasing the Kings long-lost subjects, he should be delighted to have them back and show how he takes care of them. Plus, better relations with the crown (since Bobby gets a good PR bonus) might end with better deals in the eventual arms trade and its control.
>>3525850>The Faith?sainthood here we come10/10 update
>>3525850>Your LiegeChain of command and such.Inform him of our success and leave the slaves in his care,wet his palms with some of our spoils.
>>3525850>The Faith?As funny as fucking with The Small Council would be.
>>3525850>Your LiegeHierarchy matter
>>3525850>Your LiegeAt the very least the matter of how to deal with them should be decided by our liege first and foremost. I think it'd be better to present the issue to him as a choice rather than just dumping thousands of ex-slaves on him. Give him the option to pass the buck to the Faith or the Crown if he wants.
>>3525862>>3525877I guarantee Ned will not be happy about having to accommodate 5000 rando westerosi. neither will the slaves be happy to end up in the North. Neither will we get as much of a PR boost as releasing them in KL.They arent anyones property and we dont need Neds permission to release them.
>>3525880That isn't how it works, basically what you would be doing is hauling these people to someone's doorstep and basically passing responsibility to them.In Stark's case, you'd basically be dumping all the slaves to White Harbor and send Starks a letter telling them to sort it out.
I don't think being given 5k people to feed and cloth in the friggin North is a very kind thing to do to your overlord, anons. Give it to the Church instead, it's what that organisation is supposed to do anyway. Charity and such.Also, CRUSADE. Our battle was at least partly inspired by a religious calling (officially anyway).
>>3525884In that case>The FaithWe've given poor old Ned enough stress already.
>>3525884>>3525850Oh, changing to Faith then.
>>3525862due to harshness of northen climatei'm changing vote to>The Crowngive message of success to Liege and let off the passengers where the King is
>>3525850Ah fuck it, changing >>3525852 to>The Faith?
> we might be the first person to get sainthood
>>3525914>>Saint Arthur Tallon the breaker of chains
>>3525932>Saint Arthur Tallon, of Tomorrow's Knowledge.
>>3525934>Saint Arthur Tallon,the cheeki breeki
>>3525936>Saint Arthur Tallon, the kissless virgin in three lives.
>>3525932>breaker of chains and father of iron dragons>meet dany>relentlessly take the piss out of her for copying our titles
>>3525850>The FaithSend them a big donation as well, so that they aren't super pissed for dumping people on them and saint us.
Yeah I agree we can afford like 10k crowns to help find their homes
>>3525885Technically speaking, they didn't really have a word for a Crusade, well until now.
>>3525983imagine in the history books >Saint Arthur Tallon the breaker of chains and the inventor of the crusades
>>3525987Developer of the sky ships, creator of the thunder powder, wielder of the boom sticks.
>>3525983Did we give the High septons any ideas? :P
>>3525997I sure hope socrusading sparrow
>>3525997To be fair, High Septons get picked by the King, so they're pretty tame.
Although the current high septon is widely known to be very fat and rather corrupt
is our family proud of us?
>>3526020Well, at very least SOMEONE in the church hierarchy might getting ideas.Hell, Robert might as well, if only to relieve Boredom.
>>3526022If I am not wrong, right now, our family probably think we went insane and committed suicide.
>>3526025Pretty much this
I think it's safe to say that at this point this is the longest going shitpost ever created. Props.
>>3526025>[Technically they're not wrong. But we only killed ourselves before we met them
>>3526066If by "killed ourselves" you mean "had an isolated incident with a truck of peace" then sure.
>>3525850>The CrownLet's give Robert something to do.Especially if we will be visiting lys, he will be very very fond of taking this as a personal project, and we get also a good iin with them so less likely to fuck us over with stupid shit on guns
>>3525850>>The Faith?I imagine that if the faith militant forms, they will be ever so stronger, with us as a saint of course...
>>3525850>The Faith?Bualiebive in the Heart of the Cannon. OH MY BROTHERS!
>>3526119I don't know, if the discussion we had with Medger is any indication, they'd probably want to kill us.
Do we really want to go with the Faith? It holds no benefit for our own smallfolk as they hold to the Old Gods, and it gives us less political capital than going for the Crown - the crown we want to be rather fond of us and not fuck with our business.
>>3526401I want to get a good inroad wth the faith so we can start printing bibles for stacks of cash. Plus we could put our name in each of them to boost prestige too.
>The CrownI trust bobby b to not fuck the slaves the high septim not so much
>>3526420What? You really think we can *ever* print enough holy books to even come close to a single FC worth of loot? Nah anon. Nah. If anything, making a deal with the Crown to get better terms for the sale of guns is a far more likely source of cash.
>>3526420we already have more cash than we can fucking spend without causing massive inflation.The only reason we should still hit Myr and Lys is for the +1 stat we get for each FC we fuck up and more money that we are going to use as a treasury and not in circulation or use like all the great lords, be it because of winter in the north or because they know what inflation is in the westerlands.And of course more slaves saved - and why right now lys is a superior option to myr as it is likely holding way more nobles slaved.
How about we shift to a more positive topic of discussion: our home and what we're going to do to it with our giant pile of cash. I don't mean the holdings in our land or anything like that, I mean the castle-manor we live in.
>>3526461We need Port, Marketplace, School, Roads and Sewers before we do anything else. Also add as much education to the school as we can and hire a bunch more Maesters to both teach, manage and advise our realm. THEN we get the factories going...
>>3526461a proper "modern" fortress ie siege cannons, mortars, trenches, barbed wire, etcthe rest of the money we invest in our land and ships/army's
>>3526467>We need Port, Marketplace, School, Roads and Sewers before we do anything else. Also add as much education to the school as we can and hire a bunch more Maesters to both teach, manage and advise our realm.I specifically said "I don't mean holdings in our land or anything". I do agree with you though.>THEN we get the factories going...Yeah that'll be interesting, I mean either we're going to need a lot of coal or to buy a lot of riverside land.>>3526471Honestly I kinda just want to construct a double layer 6-point star fort with bastions on each point, the inner layer taller so it can fire down on the outer and probably some other stuff too.That way, we can have a, relatively, non-fortified house in the middle and throw the fanciest parties in the best conditions to show off our wealth and power. After all, if they can get through 2 layers of star forts with our efforts to make it unbreakable, ain't shit going to stop them.
>>3526471our dream fortress
>>3526480Too bad we don't have the same terrain as Casterly Rock. Also, the only issue I have with tall walls is the fact that you don't get any views because of them but I guess that's purely aesthetic.
>>3526529True but we can get around that by a mix of lucky positioning (e,g buying an island or hill region off another lord and building our estate there) and shit. Plus it's not like we can't have some extensive gardens inside of the inner walls to draw the mind away from whatever lies outside, we're certainly going to have enough money to secure the space.Seriously, our wealth from this Free city alone is a insane amount. Assuming we get the same from the next two free cities, we're talking 615,000 Gold dragons: 3075 wealth. Not counting any gifts freed nobles might send us and shit.
>>3526480we could expand our manor and make it a small palace. Perhaps even invest in commision of arts to embellish it.
>>3526561Our current castle is tiny by Westerosi standards and rebuilding it into a proper estate for a lord as powerful as us is probably just as expensive as building a brand new one given I'd want to completely rebuild the place.
QM, can we invite Bobby B to our second FC crusade? I do feel bad for the poor chap, might be a good fresh breath of wind for him and put him away from his nagging wives and sycophantic courtiers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeDYx7Tkc7I&feature=youtu.be
Can we go back to being called the Mad Lord of Port Maw? They called us that at first, then started sucking up to us and it's a cool name.
>>3526576we shall be the legendary>>crusader king I heard there's 2 of them
>>3526575>mfw we drag the entire royal fleet along on our crusades, liberating ( devastating ) essos.
>>3526585I was thinking something more private, quiet-like. Appeal to his sense of adventure and desire to get the hell out of the suffocating courts and see enemies get fucked for a change. Maybe a couple Kingsguard including Barristan (and that one dude who was checking us out after the Tourney all those years ago), let the old man loose and perhaps even let him fire a canon.
>>3526590It would be pretty cool to get some combat training from Bobby B. We have neglected our combat training for a while, mainly cause we had access to guns but I would still like to get swole. Not that I expect him to actually even be able to come raid the FCs
>>3526742We can get swole in the next life it's out body stats dont get transfered
>>3526765I get the point, but I think not dying is probably a good idea. Training can help with that.
>>3526787Well were gonna die eventually all I'm saying is lasts train the skills we can take with us
>>3526765Fighting skill should be transferable, at least partially. That’s just general combat all around. Also, any weapon specialties or bonus dice should be fully transferable. Endurance, Agility, and Athletics not so much.
>>3526804Yeah that's fair. It's worth getting the skill aspects up as best we can.
>>3526765Also awareness should be transferable, and is useful in physical and intrigue combat.
With all the shit Arthur’s done and accomplished recently, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had 30 xp to spend on improving a stat.
Plus, at this point, Arthur should definitely not be considered a Novice Ship Architect anymore. He’s spent the majority of this current life building, designing, improving, and sailing ships.
>just discovered this quest>read like three postsBefore I go dive into the archive, what’s our endgame? Artillery and flares will pulp everything westeros and essos can throw at us even if we get attacked at night, and assuming we can get some bessemer plants running, we can mass produce steel armor and weapons for our troops.Are we even trying to rule? Are we revolutionaries? Sorry, just getting a Tl;dr before a deep dive.
>>3526865Nice. So what, we’re gonna electrolyze water on a massive scale for hydrogen? Or are we going to go hunting for helium?
>>3526845If I remember it correctly, the main goal was heavier-than-air flight.Industrialising everything seemed to be a by-product of making shit to create the rest of the tech needed.
>>3526870Ah, I see. How far along is our metallurgical experience? It takes a lot of specialized expertise to build a light enough engine to provide lift.
>>3526876Our current boat runs using a steam engine, obviously it was running into the issue of weight.Pretty sure an internal combustion engine was the main idea, but fuel that can actually run it doesn't exist at this point so it would need to be invented by us.
>>3525852Citadel>>3525855>>3525856>>3525860>>3525861>>3525864>>3525872>>3525887>>3525903>>3525930>>3525962>>3526059>>3526118>>3526119>>3526203Holy boys>>3525857>>3525890>>3526116>>3526427>>3526449Bobby b>>3525862>>3525877>>3525880Ned
>>3526888Still reading the quest, but have we looked at hydrogen dirigibles? They could operate using steam engines with relatively low power.
Looks like you are dumping them on the high septon.Send a donation as well? >Y? How much?>N. Let the fat fuck pay for it himself
>>3527483Donate proportionally to the number of individuals being delivered. If we’re hitting the sainthood angle, let’s make it as easy for the church as possible.
>>3527483>Y? How much?I'd say one dragon per person but would like to be reminded of Jorahs cut again if some kind anon would aid me.
>>3527511Jorah gets 10% off total. Any donations I will deduct from your personal cut.
>>3527483>YLike 1-2 golds per person
>>3527483>A dragoon per two or three slaves God we're gonna lose a lot of our investment...
Just so you know, being beatified as a saint is something the faith probably isn't going to do, simply because the closest thing I can find to such a thing is Baelor the Blessed.
>>3527483An assurance to finance the repatriation of the freed slaves who desire to return to their old lives and those we bring them in the future. I don't know how much that would cost, but I can't imagine it being more than 1 dragon per person. Along with a 20,000 (~10%) gold donation for their assistance with the others who might not be able to return home and as a show of good faith.>>3527576Arthur the Untouched.
>>3527483>Y1 golden dragon per man is more than enough to help the Faith facilitate the former slaves into a free society.
>>3527483>Y1000 dragons flat. We are not getting a title and there is no point shilling the church when we dont even deal with them. Id much rather use the cash to put out bounties on things we want like 1000 gold for the man to bring us a recipe for concrete etc. We have no sins to atone for and we dont need the church for anything.
Also, it is doubtful that the other two cities will also crap 200k. More likely we will exit this shindig with around 500k.10% to Jorah = 450k50% to crew = 225K (in the deal we signed with blood)And shilling away 10-15k to the church so the fat high septon can get even fatter and order more whores? Why even? What do *we* get out of it? Not like it takes 1 Gold Dragon to ship them around the country and feed and clothe them. Besides, all that is *already* the duty of the church. The money is just a feel-good policy with a bit of PR but you have to remember that a single GD is around a farmers yearly wage.
>>3527624The QM has actually been discussing the possibility of us inciting a religious fervor-based riot against the fat fuck that is the High Septon right now, deposing him and restoring legitimacy to the Faith.It will be a very !FUN! interesting way to do things, I think. Changes the political landscape somewhat as well as boost our absolute mad lad status, since it will force the higher ups in the Faith to remember the humble origins of their raison d'etre, namely popular support. Besides, being known as the guy who purified the holy temple of the Seven?Not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all.
>>3527483>N We have DEBTS my nigga, plus I wanna see ourselves paid by the end of this to help our own operations in Port Maw. Plus the septon may be an asshole, but NOT helping these freed slaves would be pretty much paramount to social suicide.
Basically, we'll be Martin Luther. No, not Martin Luther King (junior), I'm talking about MARTIN LUTHER. Except we'll be way more authoritative, since we aren't some random monk railing against the faith, as well as have popular support. The people don't like the current High Septon.
>>3527630Westerosi Protestant Reformation NOW!! The sudden influx of freed slaves without the means with which to house them from us would force a schism in the church of help them vs not helping them, and WE fall into the camp of helping them! Which MAY require a new septon... one whose ear we may have in the future...
>>3527483>Y1000 Gold Dragons total. 1 per person is way too much to ingratiate yourself to an old dude who basically just wants your money.
>>3527639>>3527635Pretty much all future kings barring Tommen ignore the faith. Our own goals most likely come across as heretical, especially if you consider the discussion we had with Lord Cerwyn while hunting. Having the ear of the faith doesnt really further the goal of industrialization at all, I cant see a decent reason to want to try and do this.
>>3527630I mean when we look at it like this, everyone more or less knows the High Septon is a sinful fuck.>Fat>Frequents a brothel>Takes bribes>Lives in opulenceYou on the other hand...>Blessed by Gods with Genius at early age>Didn't cry as a baby>Fought against the Ironborn>True Knight who stood up to Gregor Clegane>Actually acted as a healer due to lifestyle choice, when he himself was a Lord.>Embraces more Ascetic lifestyle what with being in the North>Masterful craftsman>Fought impossible crusade against slave cities and won, as if by miracleIf characters are brought into question, it's fairly easy to see who here is without sin, albeit you did gamble once.
Although if we really have no other choice then fuck it I say I support this >>3527640 1 gold PER SLAVE would seriously put us in the red, considering we don't know how much the other cities would shill out for us to leave them alone. Though when we get to that point we should settle for no less than at least 450k from at least one of them. Maybe Qohor. Fuck Qohor. Leave Myr stable *enough* for when Danny needs it.
>>3527644QM, might we be able to take things a tiny bit further and propose the re-establishment of the Faith Militant? Sway Robert with "don't be like those heathen Targaryen dorks who outlawed it!" and then maybe use it for later eastward IMPERIALIST EXPANSION crusades?
>>3527645>>3527640>>3527610>>3527574>>3527575>>3527511Actually, what about 1 Silver coin per person? So 5k Silver coins each, not golds. I think we're forgetting just how valuable a single gold coin is. Also, the Faith can definitely afford doing things like these, the Crown borrowed a MILLION gold from them.
>>3527574If you fucking do that you stupid nigger there will be nothing left for us after everybody gets their cut.
>>3527483>N. Let the fat fuck pay himself.Fuckers been siphoning and embezzling money for a long ass time, let him finally spend some on the people he is supposed to spiritually lead.
>>3527653That's a good shout. Changing >>3527575 to either>100 dragons flat.Or >>3527653
>>35276531 silver per is acceptable.
>>3527610I can also accept >>3527653 if it means we dont give them 1 GD per dude (like 15k for the lot of them).
>>3527653Not sure on the conversion for this, but it does seem reasonable.
What do you guys think of giving the single silver coin to the freedmen directly, instead of handing the sack of cash to High Septon? So each freedman has a silver to his name at the beginning of their free life, a new chapter that starts without them being beggared.Also the Faith has a TON of money, charitable acts like this is supposed to be their domain. I think there might be more symbolic value in giving a coin each to the freed slave directly, especially once they start talking about the "Silver Freedom Coins of Arthur". Makes for a good story, I think, and people love good stories.
>>3527671If you want to mint Silver Eagles and give them to every freed slave, that's fine too. Granted a single silver coin won't last too long for even a peasant. That's approximately 56 copper pennies and in terms of cheap meals will probably last a week.Average peasant makes about 17,5 silver a month.
>>3527483>Y? How much?lets see...1 bread is around 1 penny,and 1 silver is 56 penny.I say 14 pennies per person(1 silver for 4)or to be more generous,1 silver for 3 peopleand the sept still has enough to buy gold leafed communion wafers
>>3527624Wait, we are giving 50% to the crew? That’s a LOT.
>>3527679Could be something of a memento for them, even a heirloom. Ultimately, it's up to the Faith to feed and cloth them, since they're part and parcel with this high-profile incident.
>>3527681Yes it is. It also means rock-solid loyalty from our people and an instantaneous middle class who will be hiring lower class people to work for them, not to mention the officers likely becoming landed knights who we can use to set up a perimeter around our demense.All on all, the 50% is a good investment, especially if we set up education as well - middle class with a lot of free time...
>>3527669Also only give out the coin to the slaves directly. Faith can fuck off.
Anyone feel like becoming popular with the smallfolk?
>>3527680change my vote to>N. Let the fat fuck pay for it himselfThey are suppose to do this with the money they have. Like all charity organizations.
>>3527709It's also a suicide mission by sane people's standards and it cements your reputation as someone who is highly generous to your vassals who put their faith in you.
>>3527483>N. Let the fat fuck pay for it himselfWE HAVE DEBTS TO PAY BOYS, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY CHARITY HERO. WE WENT ON THIS MISSION FOR PAYMENT, WE CAN'T WASTE IT ALL
3 silver each
>>3527725Wanna make it 7 and look pious when you send them to the High Septon?
>>3527730That's not bad either, and 7 silver stags happen to be worth 1 silver moon. So give them 7 silver stags each, eagle emblazon optional?
>>3527741You can have new coins minted if you want I guess. They aren't legal tender, but silver is silver.
>>3527483>Y? How much?1 silver stag for each
>>3527730That sounds good, changing my vote to this.Maybe give them 3s each and 4s to the Faith to ease the burden of handling them. Not to expensive, making us look good to the faith, the freed slaves and being a good guy all around.
>>35277307 sounds alright.
>>3527759As has been stated repeatedly throughout the thread, the Faith don't need donations, they're rich enough to loan the Crown 1m gold crowns. Give it directly to the freedmen for better propaganda. They'll remember it, and probably talk about it too.
>>3527651Robert is too smart and too sinful to be convinced of that. Also, he never bought into the faith much to begin with.
>>3527644We really are ser galahad reborn
>>3527483Either 1 silveror nothing.
>>3527483>NBut yes to the idea of giving a silver coin to each freed slave directly.
>>3527483>NDont pay the phariseesBut I am all good for giving each slave 1 silver
>>3527483>give the now free man 1 silver for each of them
>>3526865Steam power first and foremost, then some early forms of aviation like gliding. How we GET helium is the question, since it's a bi-product of decaying uranium. I don't even know if Planetos HAS uranium, or if they have some understanding of chemistry outside of alchemy.I want to build schools and clinics honestly. Roads, Aquaducts, Glass Gardens for the Winter, food preservation that doesn't involve SALT. Some form of central heating for the inevitable urbanisation we're going to trigger as a result of our Agricultural and Industrial revolution. Infrastructure and city planning get my dick rock hard.>>3527661>>3527697>>3527683I think you're confusing CAN and WILL. Sure the High Septon CAN help these freed slaves who we send off with a donation but WILL he? Probably not cause he'll spend it all on whores and say he "lost the funds".>>3527730Seven sounds about right but can't we distribute that among the freed slaves directly instead of sending it to the High Septon? I don't trsut that whoring fuck. We'd get some serious rep either way right?
Wow, this vote is all over the place :P
>>3527483>>N. Let the fat fuck pay for it himselfI'm good for giving each slave a silver though. Even if the church eventually takes it, it just increases hate toward the church for eventual reformation.
>>3527877> instead of incel martin luther stabbing the devil with his pen>chad arthur shot him with his gun>> based and redpilled
>>3527730I'll change to this. Seems like a happy medium.
Give them the shekels goy
>>3527669changing to >>3527730
>>3527874>heliumHelium is mostly found by mistake. So it’s pretty much hydrogen or bust like the IRL first lighter than air flying machines, and we all know how safe hydrogen balloons can be...
Ok, so I take it you guys wanna give 7 silver stags to every freed man and nothing to the High Septon.>Y?>N?Either way, writing an update
>>3527948>Y and make damn certain they and anyone they meet know it's we, Lord Arthur Talon of Port Maw and the crew of the Hammer of the Water, that has delivered them from their bondage! Didn't come all this way for our name NOT to be revered like some kind of demi-god while we line our pockets with gold. Speaking of which Rad, what's our rep like among certain circles? No doubt they think us mad for this, but what's their current status? The court, nobility, our family, small folk, our crew and others?
>>3527944Its actually not that bad. during WW1 the hydrogen zeppelins wouldnt catch on fire from gunfire or other shooting until the british started using phosphor rounds. The worst that happened would be a slow leaking of a few of the cells. And seeing as we have a low chance to run into electrical wires I dont think the dangers of hydrogen outweigh the ease of getting it (especially vs not having helium). Plus, good lift.
>>3528045One word for you:Dragons
[1/2]>At Copperhall"Lady Bella, please calm yourself.""Calm myself? Two of my sons are either being enslaved, killed or tortured by foreigners, all for, for Madness! How dare you expect me to be calm?"She collapses on her bed and begins weeping"Get out"The Handmaiden bows and takes her leave.Once the she shuts the door behind her, the woman begins drinking to her sorrow. As she pours herself a glass of wine, she hears a knock on the door."I SAID GET OUT!""Mother, it's me.""O-oh.. come in Bob, my dear boy."As the door opens, she sees her son with a letter in his hand and a smile in his face."What is it?"She asks, mildly annoyed."Read it. Your mood will improve."He hands the letter bearing the double headed Eagle insignia of his brother to the woman. She immediately recognizes the symbol and begins reading."I came, I saw, I conquered?..."She begins to shake as she continues reading it"I came, I saw, I conquered.""With much of the Tyroshi warfleet beneath the waves and no casualties on our side, the Archon of Tyrosh and his most noble conclave saw reason, agreeing to liberate our countrymen and declaring Westerosi slaves as Contraband and forbidding their trade within their lands until further notice.""Our work is not yet done however. According to ledgers detailing the illegal sale of our countrymen, many more still lie within bondage, held by the City of Myr. If Tyrosh, the mightiest of the three cities of the former triumvirate can be made to see reason, then there is no doubt that in my mind that the City of Myr can be taught the error of their ways after we give them new insights to our cause.""Therefore I, Ser Arthur Tallon, Lord of Port Maw and Initiate of 21 links henceforth declare the second crusade of liberation of our countrymen, in spirit of patriotism, common decency and with blessing of the gods, against the City of Myr, which has denied my countrymen their rightful place in this world as a free and law abiding people.""Is... Is this a lie?""Freed men are flocking to King's Landing by the thousands, liberated by Rickar and Arthur, some highborn families have even expressed thanks to us for rescuing their wayward relatives. Tyrosh has fallen to him."The Tears of sorrow on her face were replaced by tears of joy as she once again went through the letter."The Gods haven't forgotten us. Call the girl back, I need to get decent and go give thanks to them."
[ 2/3 ]> At White Harbour"Lord Manderly, I bear news of Lord Tallon.""Speak up then. Did the fool get himself caught by slavers?""He... he has taken Tyrosh."He stops eating, eyes widened"What!?""Freed men are flocking to the Great Sept of Baelor milord. They say Arthur Tallon faced the entire warfleet alone and over a hundred Tyroshi warships is are now beneath the waves.""And this is confirmed? Not some ruse?""He also sent new batch of letters across the Kingdom. Here's the one that was sent here.""Let me see that."He reads through it once, then twice and then thrice and then begins laughing, louder and louder until it filled the entire room."Milord?""Send a letter to Port Maw. When he returns, I'd like to hold a feast for his honor, and it won't be the same if the man himself doesn't attend."
[3/3]>At King's Landing"What do your spies say of this Lord Varys?""I am afraid it is true Lord Hand, Lord Arthur Tallon has indeed sunk approximately a quarter of they Tyroshi standing Warfleet, albeit whispers say he still somehow maintains a cordial relationship with them and there's talk of even them coordinating their efforts against Myr.""How many ships does he have?""One, Lord hand.""Do you jest?""I assure you, this is no jest. Lord Arthur Tallon's fleet consists of but a single vessel, but he is tailed by twenty ships belonging to Lord Jorah Mormont, who I understand did not take part in the battle."Stannis speaks out"That cannot be accurate. He was outnumbered over two hundred times over and still won? Your spies lie.""Alas, a fisherman counted the vessels. 68 ships sunk, 4 recovered from sinking. Their healers report thousands dead or injured. Battle took place, there is no doubt of it."Lord Arryn speaks out"What do the smallfolk make of this?""Baffled, as you are and eager for news of his Myrish campaign. Taverns talk of little else than this of late. Even Aegon the Conqueror was not outnumbered this badly when he conquered westeros and he had three dragons.""It would seem I've need to meet this Lord Tallon then. I wish to know when he returns to Westeros and I'd like him to be cordially invited to attend the King's Court, at earliest convenient time for him.""As it please you, Lord Hand.""Now of these freed slaves. Knowing the man the High Septon is, I believe it prudent we take matters into our own hands here lest they all end up in flea bottom. Renly, you are now the Master of Law, I'd like you to inquire from the freed slave whether or not they were sold by Westerosi. If there is a black market, we must act upon it. Stannis, I'd like you to arrange some ships to have them transported to their homes. Let everyone know that the Crown hasn't forgotten about them and that they sail home on King's ships. Does anyone object or have any questions?"He looks at the Master of coin"Lord Baelish, I trust we have the coin for this?""Of course Lord Arryn. We still have some gold left in treasury that isn't invested yet. If that it isn't enough, I can always borrow some from the Lannisters.""Do it if you must. Robert's rule must be one people look fondly to.""As you wish Lord Arryn.">Next episode: War against the brown people who like poisons, crossbows, lace underwear and who like to blow glass
>>3528060Amazing. We've got a lot on our plate now, though.
After we win do you think we should help our men get married?If they do a lot less chance to blab secrets to their favorite whore, and we can count on more loyalty because they will have a wife and (hopefully) kids to lose if the ditch.
>>3528062To be entirely fair, your mailbox will soon start to get a lot of junk mail as people want you to attend feasts, weddings and shit. and to talk politics
>>3528063Should not be a huge problem. I mean, they can all afford to start a family now and to have their future inlaws live and work off the land and cattle they can buy.Sure, they could go whoring, but like, they're heroes now. I don't think many of them even need to.
Oh right, since a new crusade is being declared...https://youtu.be/nlOV1riSEYo
>>3528060>Next episode: War against the brown people who like poisons, crossbows, lace underwear and who like to blow glassSoon they're going to be blowing us
Should we open an account at the Iron Bank or will we be spared the hassles of micromanaging our newfound wealth?
>>3528097I don't think we should because we will need to deal with Pentos "free bonded laborers" which might make keeping money in Braavos a unwise choice.
We should invest our money in our land , army , industries and on “bards” for the sweet rep
Ah, please don’t put us on the small council.
>>3527644>>3527630Perhaps we could try to set up our brother instead? He is a holy man, isn't he? Also, I kinda don't want us to be too involved in religious institutions
>>3528139>mfw we roll up to court with the kneeling myrish and lys admirals to swear to the king and hight septon to not accept westerosi in slavery
>>3528143> mfw we tell the faith that he inspired us to partake our holy mission
>>3528143>mfw we install our brother as a puppet high septon
>>3528143"Here is my bro... eeeerr.... a very pious priest I happened to find on my Crusade who the gods totally told me would be a great High Septon and not a sept dropout at all. Trust me man."Because everyone will just let us put our close kin in positions of major power.>>3528049If we have to face a dragon then believe you me the helium will not make us fire retardant.
>>3528206> everyone can destroy a quarter of the tyroshy navy with 1 ship
>>3528213"He can do insane powerplays. I see no reason why I shouldnt give him a way to sway the common populace."
>>3528255Plus, Reach family living in a former Targ loyalists lands.
Please Jon, don’t give us a Job in King’s landing T-T
So I take it everyone is in agreement that this was our best plan? I mean we just made more money and fame in one strike than most houses could in a decade.Also, seeing as all of our officers are about to have enough money and prestige to be instantly knighted, it's probably best we look into getting as many set up in our own lands or in the north more broadly. Though I suppose we could leave that until after we've finished the next two free cities...Also, holy shit is predicting the future going to be impossible now: we've just made literally dozens of noble houses that are all first generation and risen from the commonfolk. This'll change the political climate of the north hugely and Westeros more broadly. At least we can be certain they'll all be quite happy with us and support our plans.
>>3528049>dragons vs actual decent projectiles Lmao, the dragon and the rider get pulped.There's a reason we don't put flame throwers on fighter planes.
>>3528387Seems like it. What are we going to do when the entire rest of the power structure decides we're getting too strong too fast?Have we thought about giving the Iron Bank a base of operations in Westeros? That could put another massive power near the Iron Throne to keep it in line, and they're less likely to want to fuck us over than the other Westerosis.
>>3528460I was thinking marrying or at least betrothing with the Manderly's granddaughter. Cement our place in the southern North with marriage into the most wealthy family in the ex-kingdom.
>>3528490Honestly, we could aim for the throne if we have gunpowder, trains, and aircraft while nobody else does. Why settle for a petty house like House Manderly?
>>3528490Then in turn perhaps we could promise our firstborn's hand in marriage to the Starks. Which would almost certainly be a relation they'll want considering just how powerful we're becoming.Before this, we were a quick rising man but through conventional means for the most part, too slow to ever marry into a high lord's family. Now? We're the man who has control over weapons that allow you to take a fight to the FC, be outnumbered 200 to 1 and still come out on top. Not to mention our wealth or anything else.
>>3528500Are you certain you want to go for the throne? Are you really sure? Really, really sure? >>3528511QM mentioned that our prestige isn't enough for marriage into Lord Paramount/Royal family (save bastards, and why bother with bastards?). We still need to establish our power base such as enlarging the number of men loyal to US and OUR HOUSE (instead of here just for the money), aka what Stark has by the thousands. Remember, we're a 0th-generation house. One of the biggest issues with recently founded houses is personnel, not money.We need educated, loyal men, and we need them fast. Gentlemen, I propose we purchase some maesters.
>>3528490>I was thinking marrying or at least betrothing with the Manderly's granddaughter. Cement our place in the southern North with marriage into the most wealthy family in the ex-kingdom.I was thinking the same but I just realised they would be fourteen and nine... I think. God dammit.
>>3528533Why would we not aim for the throne? Robert Baratheon is going to instantly see us as a threat after this stunt in Essos and probably start clamping down on our efforts. We should at least prepare for a large scale conflict since we're massively upsetting the balance of power in the world.
>>3528558>fuck the throne >I want Westeros and all the city's in the narrow sea
>>3528558I just want airships, man. I don't want us to get depressed with politics and drown our sorrows in whores and wine like Robby Rob.
>>3528537Welcome to mediaeval marriage. Just a betrothal will do for now!
>>3528537Fourteen is technically legal in Westeros. If it bleeds, it breeds. Their words, not mine.
>>3528558we already have a throne.the porcelain throne. building stuff is our gig.
>>3528581Man I just wanted to be a toymaker. Now we're falling down into politics and we'll probably have to build an oil rig, build a castle on it and claim our independence. Either that or become medieval iron man.
>>3528533Not main branch, as in, marrying a Stark heir or the Princess is off the table as your bloodline isn't that much to write home about. You are basically frey tier as nobility, but even freys bagged a Lannister
>>3528564Taking the throne is part of that though.>>3528581Airships and locomotives!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotion_No._1Imagine moving armies at 15mph. Or food supplies. Or whatever other goods we need from anywhere. We could build structures with materials from all over Westeros that would normally be impossible without waiting months for shipping or hauling.
>>3528589>If it bleeds, it breeds.I don't believe we've bled before in this life. I know we've been kicked out of a combat circle but I don't remember anything about cuts or blood..Oh Rad, I've been meaning to ask but how does our reincarnation affect the world?Since you said ages ago that no two instances of us can exist at the same time, does that mean we'll reincarnate into a world where the previous us didn't exist at all or one where we didn't have our ability and so Bob wouldn't believe us if we claimed to be his brother?
>>3528558What is the value of the Iron Throne to you in the end?What do you hope to accomplish with it?You already were shirking your tasks to your underlings as is and largely doing what you want.
>>3528619not much point really in the throne with our age.but fuck it i suppose we could melt it down and make a fucking pimp ass ship anchor.
Shifting topic slightly, we have something like a decade or less before the Long Night begins once more. We should probably look into assisting the NW any way we can, since fortification repair takes years. First line of defence against the Night King, everyone.
>>3528612I don't see much difference between those two. Essentially, you reincarnate into another timeline. The Body which you inhabited in all likelihood is either dead or didn't exist to begin with on that timeline.
>>3528632Did the Night King even appear in the books?
>>3528635Oh, so the world returns to how it was before we fucked about with it? Or do those changes stay in effect?>>3528635>I don't see much difference between those two.I was just wondering if we could scare our brother by appearing as an eleven year old girl claiming to be his deceased younger brother.
>>3528643I do not think a Night King is mentioned aside from the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch called "Night's King"
>>3528619It has no value beyond the fact that if we keep threatening military conquest of vastly superior forces, we're gonna get attacked or pulled into politics. Probably both. So we should prepare for it even though we don't really want it.
>>3528647Nothing restores, you jump timelines, which means you get a hard reset, the ones left behind get to deal with what they got for better or worse.
The Iron throne is a shitty piece of Iron that cause both physical and mental disease, and king’s landing stink in both a litteral and metaphorical way.I’d rather we get back to our Hikikomori lifestyle soon so that we can start another hare brained scheme that will leave everyone flabbergasted.
>>3528690And there goes my meme about being the child of our own sister. An ironic plot considering we're in Westeros.
>>3528712I say we build a fucking tank.
>>3528718Oh you wanted to say a "land battle ship"?
>>3528718Nein! not ambitious enough! where is your love for Wunderwaffen?!? I say we build a Steampowered power armor! è.é
>>3528733>>3528723Who needs to breathe air when they're encased in the beautiful moving metal block! It comes with a magical item known as an 'air filter'- blessed by the pope and which clears the air of bad shit.
>>3528739Too slow anon!>>3528593>Either that or become medieval iron man.
I say that we spend the rest of our life accumulating knowledge on machines, more specifically clockwork. I remember the QM stating that once our knowledge gets high enough, we can start making miracles of machines. Perhaps we could get some clockwork aesthetic technology going.We should cultivate our knowledge into a true talent, to go beyond super genius.
>>3528533>QM mentioned that our prestige isn't enough for marriage into Lord Paramount/Royal family (save bastards, and why bother with bastards?). To be fair, what I'm talking about wouldn't be us marrying a lord paramount's family, it would be our heir and the potential inherent of Manderly. We're talking the combination of our technology and fame with Manderly's holdings and familial lineage. Though we can certainly consider it later, once we get our wife pregnant for example.>We still need to establish our power base such as enlarging the number of men loyal to US and OUR HOUSE (instead of here just for the money), aka what Stark has by the thousands. Remember, we're a 0th-generation house. One of the biggest issues with recently founded houses is personnel, not money.Agreed. We've taken many steps in the right direction but we must accelerate the creation of a core of loyal men that can be trusted to not bend or break in face of the odds against us. Admittedly pulling off this plan will have solidified our support by our men but we must have more.>We need educated, loyal men, and we need them fast. Gentlemen, I propose we purchase some maesters.Purchase? Why in god's name need we do that? We got one Maester of our own already just by heading to the Citadel and snooping around for the black sheep. I already planned on hiring a spy network with our war-winnings just so we had a bit more conventional intelligence to go with our non-conventional. There is no doubt in my mind that they couldn't be assigned to find those that the Citadel has black-listed and gather them to our service.Plus, we can establish education services here in the north and easily begin construction of a second Conclave of the educated. Especially if we start to gather more and more knowledge that the Citadel lacks which is a given.>>3528763Agreed but I also have another plan for this timeline. I want magic, as useless as it often is, because occasionally it provides a massive benefit (life extension for example). The necromantic arts are another area I'd like to study but if we do we must be careful, as such knowledge is forbidden in Westeros and would see us stripped of our maesters links.
>>3528774Who care about magic? We don’t really have a need for it, if we are talking about life extension I am more interested in the martial/medecine path.I am also curious what we can do with very high smithing purely metal wise.
>>3528790>Who care about magic? We don’t really have a need for it, if we are talking about life extension I am more interested in the martial/medecine path.Medicine can only go so far and can hardly do anything against the march of time. Magic offers the ability to, theoretically, live forever.I do agree that those two are also important to train but magic, if properly manipulated, could be our crowning achievement and our greatest skill. Especially if it can be made to carry over between lives.
>>3528808No, QM already confirmed we could get immortality if we can reach the extreme of those paths.
>>3528690Btw Rad, should our Willpower upgrade considered how long we lived?
>>3528813Yet again, this is why I hate having discussion spread over multiple places. Information such as this falls between the cracks.If he has confirmed this however, then I shall support you in reaching that end. I would raise the point however that we should learn all we can however but if we can reasonably reach that level of skill then we must prioritise it.
>>3528838Yeah anything like this by the qm should be poster on the thread. Having it in dischord only is bs
>>3528838There was plan to dedicate ourselves to one of the two in our next life.We are amready at 5 in healing, almost Peak normal Humans>>3528862It wasn’t on discord, but on older threads.
>>3528862Agreed. I have no issue with such discussions occurring separate to be honest, it'd just be nice if someone would bother to make it common knowledge by posting any conclusions reached or decisions made into the thread.>>3528873>There was plan to dedicate ourselves to one of the two in our next life.Probably should do martial in our next life given we're quite well set up to do medical in this one. Especially given our current position means we might even be able to go back to living in the Citadel and learning there while our lands take care of themselves and shit.That or we need to just focus on buying basically every medical text we can so we can study this shit.>It wasn’t on discord, but on older threads.Seriously, I must've just forgotten given how long it's been.
>>3528815No because you haven't actually demonstrated any great feats of will. Willpower is ultimately something of a martial trait.
>>3528930If we get a heart attack in the next post what will get upgraded?
>>3528813Also, I never confirmed this, merely memed it, bur yes, you CAN extend your life expectancy through understanding the human body well enough to get the most out of it.
>>3528930Hum, alright, makes sense, I guess leaving a few decades a an ascetic isn’t enough :PIf we get very high willpower, could we pull a Dawi and literally be too stubborn to die? Of Old age I mean.
>>3528935It will go through a democratic vote.
>>3528930Would willpower be increased more efficiently through mediation, flagellance, starvation or what? >>3528937I'm guessing there's a pretty hard limit to how far we can get through just medicine and that sort of mundane shit?
>>3528938If you get high enough willpower and healing, you can go through a training regimen as a child that makes your physical stats to 6-7 range, this includes endurance.That should make you difficult to kill.If you don't have the willpower to reach peak human performance, you are not too stubborn to die.
>>3528952Lot of stats supplement each other in how to reach next milestone.Take fighting for example. You can't push beyond a master unless you understand human body, for that you need healing. Willpower you cannot raise unless you actually have the perseverance to maintain your body in good shape.Lot of things are tied together.
>>3528957By as a child, I don't mean you get 6-7 as a child btw, I mean in adolescence. Essentially you live up from a baby in a way that cultivates you physically and mentally to be a martial beast that shits on most everyone.
>>3528972>mfw we are a clegane brother
>>3528972>Steward, what is my son doing right now?>He seems to be lifting a rock over and over again...>"LIGHTWEIGHT BABY!!!>*Snap*Snap city here we come
Friendly reminder that we have 3x +1 to stats on our death. Meaning we can get Knowledge and Healing to 6 and Will to 4 or 5 depending on whether we can gain more on the Crusades. Add to that martial training we can purchase this lifetime and we can start next life as a Master healer and scholar with iron will and martial prowesse of a lifetime knight.>>3528808Magic is shite. The costs, either in time, money or blood, are ridiculous for the results. And anything smalltime we can accomplish with engineering or chemistry for far cheaper and *much* more reliably.
>>3528982>fuck time for another life as a braniac
>>3528982More like meditating baby. Pop out and instead of crying we tell the midwife how to close her up better.
>>3528970I suppose. Honestly that just tells me that we should really focus on our Willpower given it controls our ability to focus on learning other shit.Also I can't remember, the training we decided on in thread 21, was that the maximum we can learn in this life or was that what we selected to learn until the ship was finished? I mostly ask because I can't read through the old discussion too well and I swear the latter was the terms under which the decision was made but I could be wrong.If it is, so be it but if it isn't then we've got shit to discuss.
>>3528990It was "what do for 6 months". We can still keep learning but taking Knowledge/Healing to 6 will take years at the Citadel.
>>3528984>Magic is shite. Depends on how you want to use it. It can do shit that technology can't do anytime soon and it provides access to respect in certain circles. Plus, most of the reason magic is bad in Westeros is because few practitioners live there so it's rarely seen and magic has been on the wane for centuries. Yet it is going to start waxing soon and at that point these skills and their knowledge becomes far more useful. Anyhow just learning how to defend against magic would be a good idea.>>3528991>It was "what do for 6 months". Like I thought. In that case we've got the better part of a decade to dedicate to just learning everything we can and training in everything we can.
>>3529006If its for self-defence, sure. Its Will-related but some tips and tricks to not get mind controlled or some shit is a good idea. As to things we couldnt do, anything worthwhile will have an insane cost to it. There is a reason the Valyrians needed masses of slaves and Melisandre couldnt do shit without royal blood.Also dont know about Citadel but getting a Braavosi Water Dancer or master knight to train us would be a great idea. A couple hours a day for years should give an effect.
>>3529017>If its for self-defence, sure. Its Will-related but some tips and tricks to not get mind controlled or some shit is a good idea. True but learning to Ward ourselves against magic has no downsides, especially given it's bonuses are far easier to achieve than another level of willpower as you get to the more extreme stuff.>As to things we couldnt do, anything worthwhile will have an insane cost to it. Probably but at least some of the cost can be offloaded onto others or negated by having literally entire lifetimes to build this shit up. Not to mention, if we were to somehow manage to get in contact with The children beyond The wall we might manage to learn their secrets or even the shit Bran gets.>There is a reason the Valyrians needed masses of slaves and Melisandre couldnt do shit without royal blood.True but we have the blood of a immortal. I imagine there'll be reason we won't want to use it but hey, it's worth a shot.>Braavosi Water Dancer or master knight to train us would be a great idea. A couple hours a day for years should give an effect.I'd say the Water dancer, I can't remember why but in system they have some insane benefit that makes them broken against anything. Also because in any future life where we don't start as a noble, we're probably not going to be fighting in the style of a westerosi knight: we'll lack the armour for one thing. Not to say that having a Westerosian knight train us as well would be a bad thing, those skills are also useful. Just that it's probably less universally useful.We might also consider learning shit like pugilism. Things that no style really supports but have some minor utility or are underdeveloped in-universe.
Wow... Now this was a great post. Re read it several times it was so good.
>>3529026Warding or whatever, assuming no ridiculous costs, is fine.Doubtful, as all of the major powers require bloodlines to do. Starks and Targs being a good example.While our spirit may be immortal, our body is whatever it happens to be. Currently a noble, next time a peon worth fuck-all. This is not a source we can rely on. Unless you want to sacrifice our memories or soul, both of which is a hard no.Since the system doesnt track fighting styles we can assume that the Fighting skill covers all angles including jousting and CQC. the bonus dice affect it more specifically (like our 1b swords).
>>3529057>Warding or whatever, assuming no ridiculous costs, is fine.Good, if nothing else that is a starting point should we change our minds later.>Doubtful, as all of the major powers require bloodlines to do. Starks and Targs being a good example.True but I'd point out that the existence of the cities in the far east where magic is their main pride and fame implies that there must be something about it worth going after.>While our spirit may be immortal, our body is whatever it happens to be. Currently a noble, next time a peon worth fuck-all. This is not a source we can rely on. Unless you want to sacrifice our memories or soul, both of which is a hard no.You asked for valuable blood, I showed a possible source that we'd always have. It might not be ideal and it might not work but it could just as well be invaluable.>Since the system doesnt track fighting styles we can assume that the Fighting skill covers all angles including jousting and CQC. the bonus dice affect it more specifically (like our 1b swords).Actually it does but only for like 1 or 2 things. Water dancing being one of them I think but the minor bonus it gives is good from what I remember (from like thread 5 or whatever).
>>3529073The far-east cities are also notorious slavers with Asshai being a literal hellscape where there are no kids and everything is poison. And thats the *outskirts* of whatever the fuck is up river.And in this case its not our blood thats valuable. And the suicide option is not really a valid one.
>>3529088>The far-east cities are also notorious slavers with Asshai being a literal hellscape where there are no kids and everything is poison. And thats the *outskirts* of whatever the fuck is up river.Supposedly a land where the shadows live and kill anyone who comes close amongst other things. I do get your point however, their fame doesn't lie entirely in their magic population but I did have a second point in that sentence: if magic was truly as useless as many say, then why does an entire city of practitioners survive?>And in this case its not our blood thats valuable. The whole point of blood magic is the idea that blood contains some part of a person, their soul or lifeforce. Therefore in my opinion ours should hold some great value. I do accept that without testing, I can't make any real conclusions but still.>And the suicide option is not really a valid one.I don't know what this sentence was referring to.
>>3529088I hope we don't get born as slave and sent to the unsullied, we'd get our sausage chopped off before we could do anything.worse yet, we could be born on the southern continent in the hellish jungle...
>>3529107Leng is worst literal old ones in the ground
>>3529099Never said it was worthless. I said its not worth it to us. If your only way of getting Gregor Clegane to back down is a fireball, you study decades for that shit and forget who you were in the process. We, however, can throw together a gun in a weekend and smoke his ass.QM went over this in the Discord some time ago. our body and "soul" are separate. So while we can bleed ourselves dead for a deal that wont harm our reincarnation, fucking with the mind or soul will have dire consequences.Suicide as in using our soul/memories as fuel. bad no no.>>3529107We either karate chop the rabbi or go Hercules on all the snakes in the jungle.
>>3529107>Be born a wildling>spend your youth beating them into unity>Don’t attack the south like a retard>Introduce them to civilization and glorious industrialization.>Suddenly, the Barbarians are south of the wall
>>3529107>I hope we don't get born as slave and sent to the unsullied, we'd get our sausage chopped off before we could do anything.It would at least give us a lifetime to just focus on our willpower and shit.>worse yet, we could be born on the southern continent in the hellish jungle...Honestly not the worst outcome, given we'd be born to a land where ruins still exist largely unexplored, god knows what knowledge there'd be in there. Old rituals, lost tomes and shit that no man has had for generations.>>3529108That is true, genuinely that is the sort of shit I expect to kill us. Going insane by over-estimating our ability to deal with that sort of thing.
>>3529115If we go spelunking in the deep south in ancient ruins we will probably end up with the southern version of flaming tapeworms. Not a fun time.
>>3529120We could use the opportunity to learn how Tapeworm affect people from a forsthand perspective...
>>3529107A life time of willpower and combat training so there is that.
>>3529122"I will now show you why you *defiitely* dont want to drink stale water and at midday we will explore the benefits of self-surgery to remove liver leeches."
>>3529111>Never said it was worthless. I said its not worth it to us. If your only way of getting Gregor Clegane to back down is a fireball, you study decades for that shit and forget who you were in the process. We, however, can throw together a gun in a weekend and smoke his ass.True but then you've got shit like pre-cognition where even if it takes a week of constant chanting and living off of special herbs in a dark room, it can occasionally pay off.>QM went over this in the Discord some time ago. our body and "soul" are separate. So while we can bleed ourselves dead for a deal that wont harm our reincarnation, fucking with the mind or soul will have dire consequences.Well that is good to know and interesting. Now in theory, I wonder if we can't make sacrifices of blood (ours and others) to strengthen our soul / enhance it or bank the value of the sacrifice. If we can, we could spend a lifetime as a murderer or a soldier (assuming we can make the sacrifice in regular combat) and in the next life be far better off.Still, that is something to look into far later than right now. You are right, we've got higher priorities.>Suicide as in using our soul/memories as fuel. bad no no.Agreed. While I'd have little problem sacrificing random memories like eating a meal with our brothers from our previous life, I can see how that would end badly given they probably hold little value meaning we'd need to give up a lot of memories.>>3529120True but to be fair, you'll probably get them just living your daily life. The real issue is possibly disturbing some cursed shit and having it haunt us for the rest of our life(s). Plus it'd give us a lot of time to train our survival and shit.
>>3529139>True but to be fair, you'll probably get them just living your daily life. The real issue is possibly disturbing some cursed shit and having it haunt us for the rest of our life(s). Plus it'd give us a lot of time to train our survival and shit.Probably yeah. Dont know how useful survival would be but at least we can up our herbalism and Healing skills. Plus we would probably exit that life with Awareness 7.
>>35291291000 poisonous plants and their effects, by Ser arthur Tallon.Firsthand account.
>>3529160"101 ways to get diarrhea and 2 ways to fix it" - the jungle best-teller
>>3529163Fuck that was good X)
>>3528060Just realised e could die by any number of assassins or poisons. We should make some treasure cache's around Westeros in case we die and need some coin.Send letters everywhere we hid thousands of gold dragons in buried chests around Westeros just to fuck with people.
>>3529160>Firsthand account."Sir in this passage you describe your own death? Twice.""Yep. It was a horrible experience both times."
>>3529172>Send letters everywhere we hid thousands of gold dragons in buried chests around Westeros just to fuck with people.I like this.>>3529173Science demanded it! è.é
It would be cool if we could go back in time instead of just popping up somewhere else at the time of our death when we inevitably get poisoned and die. It would suck having to start over in a world where other, entrenched and rich motherfuckers get the benefits of all of our hard work over multiple lives.
>>3529186That ain't how it works anon. Each death is a completely fresh start: all we can carry over is our knowledge and our mind / soul. This is why becoming immortal or as near to it as possible is quite important, as otherwise we kinda lack the time for really big projects.
>>3529026water dancers do fuck all. sure, they get increased combat defence. but when they wear no armor, and the opponent is rolling 5-10 dice and discarding the lowest rolls, that defence is going to get beat and they will get 1 shot unless the water dancer invested 5+ into Endurance and several bonus dice into Resilience.
>>3529194yeah a fresh start sure, but who says the fresh start has to be in the same timeline, or even the same place in the timeline? go to a different and more interesting time during asoiaf lore instead of roborts rebellion and Greyjoy shit forever and ever
>>3529195I swear there was a reason everyone in the earlier threads was coveting training in it like it would make us great. Maybe something to do with the fact we weren't able to afford the sort of armour that would make it useless and the fact that we were always going to be at sea where there'd be a lack of opponents in heavy enough armour to resist us or something.
>>3529200We jump about you know? I think the way it was done the last time it happened was we rolled a dice to see how many years back / forward we would be starting over at.Also we get to choose the kingdom, or at least we did last time.
>>3529205About 99% sure next life will be peon or similar underclass faggot. Dont know where or when but social status will be shit-all.
>>3529227R E V O L U T I O N.
>>3529172We are born in a different Westeros every time. Buried treasure would be worthless to us.
>>3529239> printing press + a red book
>>3529239>You will never spawn in as the son of a slightly-poor merchant>You will never proceed to make a fortune off of wars you know are coming>You will never set up vast weapon forges and become famous as a good man>You will never instigate a revolt of the smallfolk, equipped with muskets>You will never create a psuedo-roman republic out of the ashes of WesterosTruly this is the worst time line.
>>3528500Yeah but the throne's game suck ass though, why bother with that mess when we can just live it up as a legendary hero with insane riches and well developed land?
>>3529261I know right? Who want this shitty chair! We’ll just catch tetanus!>>3529253I was thinking more along the lines of printing press+ declaration of Human rights :P
>>3529279We could go full ANCAP.
>>3529249Are we? I thought we just jumped forward in time a bit.
>>3529290Yeah its a whole other timeline.>>3528690
>>3529261We have to prepare for it, or else the powers that be will catch us off guard. Do you really think anyone will simply leave us alone to become the most powerful force in the world?
>>3529285Be the premier McNuke salesman in westeros. And essos. As long as none of our customers violate the NAP and use their McNuclear weapon offensively.
I think it would be cool if we came back as the son of a peasant or something. Start out from the bottom and see how high we can climb.
Also, given we've proven our ability to do this shit without risk, are our men still operating under the insanely beneficial to them "50% to me, 50% to the rest of you" system or will these next two cities work differently?I know this is a really dickish thing to ask but our blood pact was specifically for this city and nothing more. I'd be fine with offering them something still but I feel that they shouldn't get 50% now given most of that was essentially insane danger pay to help them feel comfortable with the plan.Now we've proven it can be done, I think that they should accept 5% of the next two cities. Still a huge amount but much less.
>>3529335Well seeing as the Hound became the lord paramount of the Reach in the show's ending, probably pretty well.I know that is bullshit, I just want to see people angrily react to it.
>>3529290>Die>roll for how far in the future we go>1>1>1>We are born as the few survivors of the eternal night, having to survive off of mushrooms and hunting abominations like it's metro 2033.>Explore ruins of the world, infested with whitewalkers and grayscale. It always snows.>Rhllor extremists will burn you alive if they catch you.>rebuild society from the scraps using what knowledge we have.>We eventually will die from frost dragons assaulting our migrant fleet.I want to know that it's possible.
>>3529361It would certainly be interesting. That reminds me of how much I've always wanted a metro civ game set in a mega-city's rail network.
>>3529310Anon jumping head first into the game of thrones is the worst way to convince people to leave you alone.
>>3529370I think we already HAVE jumped in.
>>3529434The second we took a free city with a single ship, we were in.
>>3529257>tfw you'll never get to use parlour tricks/alchemical rituals to convince people you're a wizard>tfw you'll never convince people the crown has lost the blessing of the 7>tfw you'll never convince people the central government is corrupt>tfw you'll never be a hero to the small folk for your philantropic deeds >tfw you'll never be yellow turban>feels zāogāo man
>>3529290We jumped back though
>>3529308Nah dude if we hop forward in time we'd still be on the same time line just further in. Like say if we were to die here and now, we'd be around a teenager when the real power moves come into play like when Danny gets Dragons, maybe around 13-14.
>>3529781Fucking no, lol. This has been discussed at length.
>>3529782Has it? Cause I had said IF, and if it was discussed at length then I wasn't here for it. Cause I was under the impression we switched bodies every time we died but that we'd be in the same time line each time.
>>3529786It has been discussed previously as well as in this thread in great detail.
>>3529336I would say more like 15% just so they get a higher percent than jorah.
Also something we should look into setting up in our lands given it'll take relatively little time to develop the shit for is fabric refining, something which currently requires a lot of skilled manpower to do but with a fair bit of automation and centralisation could be made far more efficient.It might also be a good idea to look into a factory producing carts, wagons and their associate products given some people want those to become a major part of our army and the fact they are also something that generally requires skilled craftsmen to produce. Although I'd be worried about quickly saturating the market, they can at least be easily moved thanks to their nature as transport.There was also my idea from awhile back of setting up industrialised nail production, given that is yet another high-skill, high-labour industry that could easily be simplified by us. Plus we could easily make use of such standardised machine parts for our other factories and such to standardise, cheapen and simplify their setup and maintenance.>>3529816True. Although I'd point out that Jorah gets such a high percentage because he brings so much to the deal. Still I hear you, instead of the 5% they were previously getting they should get 10%, that is to say that they'll end up after these next two free cities with 1.4 life-time earnings.Any free cities after that or anything of a similar nature? 5% at most and honestly I'd drop it to 1% if not entirely.
>>3528619Do we actually have a choice on the matter? Unless I'm misreading, it looks like Arryn is making an effort to ensure we don't supplant Robert's authority to any degree or make others question it when they draw comparisons between Robert and us. It isn't a good look when a guy takes it upon himself to rescue a bunch of slaves and help the people while their king appears to be sitting on his ass doing his own thing and not giving a shit. Futhermore, we've (possibly) indebted some highborn families to us and turned them into allies, and our military accomplishments are impressive and understandably making others nervous. I think it would be fanciful to believe that everyone is just going to let us continue on from this point amassing power, wealth and influence after what they've seen us do. The way I see it we might get offered an advisory role on the Small Council so the Crown can keep an eye on us and possibly exert some level of control over us, but if/when we turn it down, people are just going to think we're plotting something regardless of what we tell them or assurances we give them. Obviously Ned offers us some protection, but I don't think it will be enough. The more waves we make, the more likely we are to be pulled into the game of thrones whether we like it or not. And it's stupid not to play a game when everyone assumes you're already playing.
>>3530038Exactly. This is why we need to establish some lands and invite a branch of the Iron Bank to Westeros proper; having a power like that will help to balance out the threat of a united seven kingdoms, or at least all the people Robert can rally.
>>3528972Is it possible for us to learn the True Tongue? I'd like to go see what we can learn from the Children at some point.
>>3529849We created 700 loyal men who will form the backbone of our demense and both invite and manage countless immigrants, not to mention the loyalty of our other citizens. And you want to piss it away to get some extra wealth we already have more than enough of? What the fuck? If we cut their pay we send a signal we will jew them out over technicalities and care only for the cash. Not acceptable>>3530038While the King will want to see us and may have some favours to ask etc., we can always say "No thanks." and fuck off back North. This is exactly why we went there in the first place. Plus, with Ned around we wont be harassed by the Crown either.>>3530153Rally for what? Attacking us? Be serious. He is already having to deal with Targ loyalists and an act of tyranny THAT big will seal his downfall pronto. Likewise, they cant outright twist our arm since the whole feudal system depends on a code of conduct. The Mad King shat on that and look where it got him. Robert simply demanding we move to KL and give him all our secrets or take on extra duties is not going to happen. What will happen is intrigue if we ever go to KL, which we shouldnt.
>>3530208>If we cut their pay we send a signal we will jew them out over technicalities and care only for the cash. Not acceptableTheir pay was arranged for this one mission which we just concluded. Not anything else. I am not "jewing" them over given what we arranged was a one time deal yet I am still willing to offer 5% (and was convinced later to increase that to 10%) that is entirely beyond their standard payment.If you want to discuss this then do it in level headed terms anon. Else I find no reason to listen to you.
>>3530218Nah thats still pretty high jewery dude. Changing how much we pay them on a dime and lowering the pay is pretty high jewery. Not that I disagree mind you. We should lower it to like 20% but its still some high level jewery.
>>3530223>Nah thats still pretty high jewery dude. Changing how much we pay them on a dime and lowering the pay is pretty high jewery. We have met our side of the deal and they theirs, it is finished and all of it is finished. If they wish to leave our service or not accept any further attacks on the Free cities because it is no longer under those terms, that is entirely within their rights but it will be done on our terms or no terms. It's not like we'll lack for replacement men when we return to Westeros, plenty shall be willing to serve under us without question given what we've done.
>>3530218"Good idea! Let's put it in writing too! We'll make some drafts for ship articles and all of us will sign it in blood. That should keep the crew together."It isnt some deal for a single mission, its literally the code of conduct of the ship signed in blood. If you break this, you fuck up big. Besides, where do you think they will spend that wealth? Im honestly planning to use the wealth of our officers to buy more land around us on which to settle them and build fortified artillery towers. The money will not be lost, just distributed among our people who will raise the standard of living in our lands immensly. Its not a loss its a gain.
>>3530228>"Good idea! Let's put it in writing too! We'll make some drafts for ship articles and all of us will sign it in blood. That should keep the crew together.">It isnt some deal for a single mission, its literally the code of conduct of the ship signed in blood. If you break this, you fuck up big.A "Ship article" is another name for a contract or did you not bother to even google that term before assuming it would support your argument?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship%27s_articlesIt is a document specifying where, when, on what ship, at what rank, for what pay, under whom and for what purpose a particular sailor is employed. It is a contract, nothing more and has nothing to do with any of the shit you just made up.>Besides, where do you think they will spend that wealth?OP already stated, most of them will settle down, buy land and cattle and live normal lives assuming they leave our service. If not, they'll have their family do that while they continue to work as sailors. The exception to this being our various officers, who I would refer you to the next comment down for my plan for.>Im honestly planning to use the wealth of our officers to buy more land around us on which to settle them and build fortified artillery towers. Agreed, as I am the one who suggested that plan.>The money will not be lost, just distributed among our people who will raise the standard of living in our lands immensely. Its not a loss its a gain.Also agreed. I would point out however that I want to direct these funds into constructing shit like factories and public projects like sewers, schools and such. Fact is the money can do a lot more good concentrated in our hands, especially given our men are already set for their lives assuming they don't act foolishly.
>>3529336Do you really want to talk to your men and tell them you are cutting their salary by 70%The entire reason why they are paid so much is because you are basically on what counts as a suicide mission and you don't want these men cutting your throats and stealing the ship.
>>3530244"Traditionally, each seaman is required to sign the articles, and the articles include for each seaman, his rating, the place and the day of signing on and the place and the date of signing off of the ship.">signing off of the shipAlmost as if the Articles handle the whole time on the ship... And they will settle down where? Our lands. Where they will form a middle class with a lot of free time since they can comfortably hire a few farm hands to manage it. Meaning we have a chunk of population eligible for education. Education for factory work or engineering, perhaps?Also >>3530245
>>3530245>Do you really want to talk to your men and tell them you are cutting their salary by 70%Only that much?>The entire reason why they are paid so much is because you are basically on what counts as a suicide mission and you don't want these men cutting your throats and stealing the ship.And we've just proved it isn't a suicide mission. Rather if anything we've just proven it is probably the safest combat they'd ever have a chance to get involved in given we just went through a war with a major city-state's fleet and came out the other side with no casualties, no physical damage at all and took down 26% of the enemy force with another 8% wounded.I'd argue under those numbers being told "okay, now who feels okay doing it again for another .2 / .1 life-wages" is entirely reasonable.Unless you can explain to me why we can't use the simple fact we just pulled it off easily, without a single man so much as pricking his thumb and without ever having to move the ship except when the corpses of our enemies literally blocked our shots as justification for doing it again, this time without quite as insane a bonus pay because we've just proven there was never any danger, I must consider this illogical especially given I am still content to give a very large pay bonus of 5% of takings.>>3530249>signing off of the shipI imagine in the agreement we would have specified "until victory" or something. Given this wasn't something like a term of service in the navy or a trade ship's run between two ports.>Almost as if the Articles handle the whole time on the ship... They handle a specific journey or even leg of a journey.>And they will settle down where? Our lands.Aye.>Where they will form a middle class with a lot of free time since they can comfortably hire a few farm hands to manage it. Meaning we have a chunk of population eligible for education. Potentially but I'd point out that if we spend too much of our own cut of the cash that we might reduce their relative earnings and prevent that but honestly I can't say.>Education for factory work or engineering, perhaps?You plan on educating our sailors to serve as engineers? Our experienced veterans?
>>3530254>I imagine in the agreement we would have specified "until victory" or something.>>3530244>assuming it would support your argumentwewAnd the guy running the powder or ramming the rod *really* has no higher ambitions or uses? Or his close kin? Really?
>>3530254You really expect them to go up against an enemy, outnumbered over 200 to one and not give them their fair share of the loot?I mean if you are altering the deal, what's to stop them from just leaving the ship and buying a passage home?Where do you expect to find more people trained to sail your ship and operate the guns?
>>3530265From the large mass of westerosi sailors experienced in the operation and maintenance of steam ships and artillery just bumming around King's Landing looking for work. Obviously.
>>3530258>wewThere is a difference between assuming an entirely undefined document which we know the probable extent of is in support of a possible interpretation of it's extent that falls easily within it and assuming the definition of a well defined word that basically equates to a old way of saying "contract" supports your argument that we just made it part of some sort of "ship constitution" and that we can break it by not continuing it after the whole point of the ships article has concluded.>And the guy running the powder or ramming the rod *really* has no higher ambitions or uses?Potentially but that is another matter entirely. He might just as well have an ambition to be a merchant and take his wealth and family on the road, leaving our land.>Or his close kin? Really?Now there you have a better point.>>3530265>You really expect them to go up against an enemy, outnumbered over 200 to one and not give them their fair share of the loot?5% is a fair share of the loot. 10% was a generous amount I was talked up to. 50% was a insane amount required because they were going to face what they saw as insane odds. We've proven that this ship, with this crew, under our command can take down the fleets of the Free cities without issue or risk meaning that we can do it again and again for as long as we have the ammo, which we can replenish without risk given our speed.>I mean if you are altering the deal, what's to stop them from just leaving the ship and buying a passage home?The ability to earn yet more money? We're still talking earning 3.5 or 7 Gold Dragons per man. A further 10 to 20 percent of their current earnings from this scheme.>Where do you expect to find more people trained to sail your ship and operate the guns?The guns are the biggest issue I'll admit but to be fair if they were the only ones we had to keep at that rate we'd still be far better off.>>3530272The steam engine requires men to shovel and not much more. It's not like we're letting anyone else maintain it.
>>3530276Whatever you say anon. Even QM has said its a bad idea but you do you.
>>3530276Dude, let it go.Even if we prevent a mutiny, nobody wants to sail with a captain who changes terms of payment in the middle of the voyage.
>>3530288>Even QM has said its a bad idea but you do you.QM ain't Yahweh, the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-seeing. I respect that if he says no, that is no but that doesn't mean I won't try to convince him to see shit how I see it when I think I might be correct.>>3530296Again, I refer you to my whole spiel about a ship's article and how this ain't the middle of a voyage but fine.
>>3530300You are not putting this to perspective here. These men already have earned enough money to not have to work in their lifetimes if they so desired. Why would they risk their lives further if the pay is not up to par with the last job? Besides, I seem to recall the blood oath be active till end of the voyage anyway.Sure, you can break it, but do you want to?
I should explain that I did have an alternate plan for making our money back off these guys, mostly by convincing them to invest in our first factories in return for a share of whatever profits the place made. I honestly can't remember why I didn't suggest that before now but honestly given how this point has gone I'm throwing it out there to see if that proves more popular.That and forming a few more units of Outrider cavalry using this newly formed class of rich gunpowder and war-experienced men.>>3530308>These men already have earned enough money to not have to work in their lifetimes if they so desired. >Why would they risk their lives further if the pay is not up to par with the last job?Because in most cases they could gain yet further riches that would still be significant compared to what they'd already got given we're talking at least a 10% increase in what they've gained (assuming we get the same payout).>Besides, I seem to recall the blood oath be active till end of the voyage anyway."I, Ser Arthur Tallon...sign in my blood these ship articles which GUARANTEE those in this crew who sign it a fair share of that ransom, but also binds such that do in duty to follow through to the end of this voyage loyally and dutifully."If you declare that to be the case, my silence is yours but the way we discussed it with the crew in the scene from which I took this was referring specifically and only to the bounty from the Tyroshi. As it only grants a fair share of THAT ransom, e,g a specific ransom, without any reference to any other targets because at the time we had none.I admit, to use the wording like this would be a dickish trick but still, I am merely proving my point. If you rule against me, I must accept the fact your word is by nature law and this argument is moot.
>>3529253>Printing press + Mein Kampf
>>3530276I think we are knighting every last one of them and making them our landed knights.The contract once signed scan not be broken, but we could have another contract for myr and lys, now that we have prove it is a milkrun
>>3530328We can’t Knight them if we aren’t a knight ourselves. And that’s mostly a Southerner thing, not a North thing. In the North they don’t really bother with knights and shit. Or the seven gods and Septons who anoint the knights.
>>3530328However only if we make port and e d our current voyage somewhere back in westeros
>>3530331Yeah we are. Got knighted at Harrenhall.
>>3530331We are a knight. We knighted Ser Dan and Ser Bodrin personally.
>>3530328>>3530332I mean, like I said back in my understanding of the plan (>>3525030), I thought we'd be heading back to Westeros to restock our ammo and take-on fresh supplies, maybe let our men see their families before we head off again. Yet instead it seems we made the announcement of our intent from Tyrosh which fucks that part up entirely.I do understand the landed knight part but I'd point out that my understanding was that was only going to be our officers, as they're the only ones with the right amount of money (320 Gold Dragons each) for it to work even with our support or something. Also we can't help that many landed knights if we did the whole crew.>>3530331We are a knight. We are also a follower of the seven, nominally.
>>3530226We just have to end the journey and start another for myr and lys with a different contract.Trying to circumvent blood oaths is not to be done.If we want to just end the journey we can hit the myrish naval base, and escort our loot and plunder to westeros before going for myr proper.And then inviting our crew on our second crusade but now with different payment terms.
>>3530338Yeah the announcemet of a second crusade from tyrosh is a bit whacky as we do not have any way to communicate with westeros except by courier ship and we are the fastest ship on the sea with only the long night being even able to compete
>>3530339>Trying to circumvent blood oaths is not to be done.I know, I've made enough contracts in my life and held others to them. All I was arguing the actual wording and meaning, which I felt was accurate to my interpretation.>>3530341Not to mention it doesn't make sense for us to do this immediately, given we've not talked to the man who is literally providing our transport of loot back to Westeros to see if he'd support us in this second leg of our plan. If we've no idea how this shit is getting back to Westeros, why in god's name have we announced the target?
>>3530328700 fucking Knights is too god damn many. We can’t support that many, not unless we annex several of our neighbors
>>3530341Tyrosh has ravens and its feasible you could have used those to send ravens to, let's say sunspear and/or weeping town, which activate the next letter bomb.Keep in mind this has been years in planning.
>>3530346They now have the cash to buy land and so do we....
>>3530346You don't meed to pay them salaries. It's just an honorary title in practice, rewarded for valor and they can pick a surname like Ser Davos did, albeit Ser Davos got a landed title and you don't have the land to throw those around.
>>3530350Each non-officer has 35 Gold dragons. It takes 200 of them to equal 1 wealth and 2 wealth to get 1 land. That means we'd need 12 non-officer knights for every bit of land. For each officer, they've got 320 Gold Dragons which means they can afford 1.5 land between two of them.Simply put, it's bugger all land for their current amount of money. Even assuming we got the same amount from the next two free cities and it was divided to the current rates, you'd still need 4 non-officers per land and every officer would be able to get 2 land by themselves.>>3530351That is true however.
>>3530351What is our share of the loot after paying everyone? Also why the fuck did we invite Jorah along if he is useless and just there to vacuum up our money?
>>3530355>What is our share of the loot after paying everyone?50%, so 205 thousand becomes 102500 Gold Dragons. Assuming the next two cities pay out as well? 307500 Gold Dragons.>Also why the fuck did we invite Jorah along if he is useless and just there to vacuum up our money?We need someone with the transport capacity for 205,000 Gold Dragons in silver, spices, gemstones and gold.
>>3530344For them to a mass their fleet for battle and for us to get the reputation of beating it while challenging them basically to a straight up fight with no sneaky shit like blockading them at port or defeat in detail, and for everyone to know what we did.>>3530347Fair enough. But then the Raven from tyrosh will have been intercepted by someone before it reached port maw, so the citadel and varys would find out about this sooner than the message.Plus the content of this is so specific that we would have had to write dozens if not hundreds potential advanced messages or dictate it under cypher - the last one being a lot more plausible>>3530353One land is a fuckton of land (4x4 miles if I recall), for non officer crew that should be enough land for a decent farm and homestead with what they can afford.
>>3530353We dont actually need to give every man a plot of Land. Littlefingers demense was like a football field and some sheep. And plonking 4 officers on 1 Land is great, a square mile for each plus deckhands under them who have serfs under them in turn.>>3530355So he can handle transport and security. We wont touch the loot until Jorah gives the OK that there are no snakes or assassins on board. Likewise, Jorah will handle the delivery and security of both the loot and slaves to KL. Plus, we will be buying a friend
>>3530359So we can immediately pay off our debts? We should do that. Then invest the money we got.
>>3530360>For them to a mass their fleet for battle and for us to get the reputation of beating it while challenging them basically to a straight up fight with no sneaky shit like blockading them at port or defeat in detail, and for everyone to know what we did.You mean like Tyrosh managed? So we could do it just as well by doing it from Westeros? You have no point and also we're in this against them to pull off an attack against their island base and secure whatever we can from them in terms of repayment. We've already proven our ships can beat their fleets in an out-and-out battle, let's not push our luck just in case someone figures out a way to beat us or we end up in a fight in a strait or something.>One land is a fuckton of land (4x4 miles if I recall), for non officer crew that should be enough land for a decent farm and homestead with what they can afford.Sure but we're talking between 12 people so instead of that 16 square miles of land being owned by one guy, instead each guy has 1.3333... square miles of land. Still a fair bit but nowhere near as much.>>3530361>We dont actually need to give every man a plot of Land. Littlefingers demense was like a football field and some sheep. And plonking 4 officers on 1 Land is great, a square mile for each plus deckhands under them who have serfs under them in turn.I suppose but when someone talks about them having loads of money, it pisses me off because their cash is actually relatively small time all things considered.>>3530362Paying off our debts'll be easy as shit. I mean we genuinely might be able to do it in a huge mass of a single spice or a particular jewel.
>>3530362Yes. 10k to Ned and then Port, Marketplace, School, Roads and Sewers plus a bunch of Maesters and other specialists.
>>3530360You don't need to have the letter bomb in Port Maw though. You could literally pay someone in Weeping town to keep the box around and then distribute it to couriers when they get a raven.
>>3530355Jorah was invited so you could have your ship in a position of strength whilst they load the goods and in so doing, also check for poisons, booby traps and extra passengers.
>>3530406But then it would have to be prewrotten messages. If we dictate the new letter under cypher once it reaches port maw it gets deciphered and mass printed.
>>3530409>>3530406I know we're clarifying our trip, but can I get word of god either way on >>3530154
>>3530363on the topic of changing loot share blood contract for next Free City raid.I rather keep the contract as it is.Anyway,the money will still come back to us in form of taxes.We are the Lord.Plus,our newly rich 6 times over crew will soon attract a lot of attention from people looking for money.There will be workers,servants,renters and even live in hookers.What we need is a way for money to enter the market naturally.The rich will have demands like better housing,gourmet foods,exotic wines and many stuff we currently don't have on our lands.This is not the 21st century where the really rich can escape with all their money,this is medieval world.
>>3530411Yes, it would, but does it need to be dictated every time? I don't see why it would need to be.The Second message was vague enough that it could have been prewritten, provided your military objective of liberation was complete and it's not like you actually needed to possess the ledgers to claim that Myr had Westerosi slaves. It's safe to assume you'd have gotten them from Tyrosh after the campaign.
>>3530412I'm not a priest so I can't tell you.