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Male Powder Fantasy, Thread # 23


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5th month of 290 AC


On the last thread, it was Christmas and you received a Christmas gift which granted you the ability to put one point to two stats upon your death! Not a whole lot of good for you when you're alive, but you know, planning for future and all that.

Before the short Christmas thread however, you got to investing on a massive warship and began your project in creating the first true Wunderwaffe of Westeros: The Hammer of the Waters. This project was begun in preparation of a plan no man in the known world would call sane.
Using the said weapon to hold a Free City for ransom on grounds of them holding Slaves taken from Westeros illegally.

If this endeavor is successful, your name will be Legend.
Outnumbered easily over hundred to one against fleets which successfully pushed even the dragons from the seas when they laid claim to Stepstones.
Deed such as that surpass would surpass even the Aegon's victory in the Field of Fire, where the three dragons destroyed a host over five times the size of Aegon's.

That however is for later. Right now however, it's time for things of more mundane nature.

You've once again returned to Reach to visit the family which raised you, stuck on a Carriage with the woman who brought you to this world and in middle of being transported to your sister's wedding.
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"We'll need to get you a new outfit for the Wedding once we reach Highgarden. I'll not have you show up in your sister's wedding dressed to kill."
"I do have other clothes as well mother."
You give her a sullen reply
"I want to make sure you'll make a good first impression. We'll get you something that displays your Citadel Chain as well, you did remember to bring it with you?"
You roll your eyes
"I did, just as you requested."

You gaze lazily at the passing countryside, the endless fields, vineyards, orchards and manors dotting the sides of the Rose Road, tended by the dozens of laborers at work, each collecting or planting produce at a relaxed pace or checking the fields for weeds.
The steady clipclop of the horseshoes on the pavement and the creaking of the wheels created a relaxing ambient noise offset only by the mildly uncomfortable seating in the vehicle.

"So, how has life in the North treated you? Is it cold as they say it is?"
Still lazily leaning towards the window you respond in a tired fashion
"Summer is still a summer in there. You can get sudden drops in temperatures at times, but it's nowhere near as frequent or devastating as people make it out to be. Sensitive crops fail frequently, but that's why you don't grow them in the North without glass gardens."
"You do need to make preparations for Winter. Autumn could be just around the corner in year or two. If you don't have enough food, just drop by. I'm sure your brother will help you out."
"Not father?"
"He's taken a backseat to let Bob get used to his duties. Once we get wives for you two, we hopefully can enjoy our retirement in peace."
Your eyes narrow and you glance at your mother
"You better not tell me you've arranged a betrothal without my knowledge."
"Why? Is there someone you fancy?"
She smiles at you sadistically and chuckles as she continues her embroidery
Before you can answer she continues
"Don't worry, we've not made any arrangements as of yet, but we do need to make them. You're past your twenties and you aren't married yet. You are a Lord now. It is your duty to produce heirs."
She puts down her embroidery
"Also, I do want grandchildren."

>[Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."
>[Refuse]: "I will not have my life dictated by someone who lives a continent away. I'll live as I please." (Warning, this will anger your house)
>[Agree]: "Fine, let's go through my options then."
>[Write-in]: (what?)
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>>3482621
>[Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."

How many months until the ship is finished?
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>>3482621
>>[Agree]: "Fine, let's go through my options then."
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>>3482621
>[Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."
We need to nuke Essos first.
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>>3482621
>[Agree]: "Fine, let's go through my options then."
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>>3482625
You will be fully ready to go with Explosive shells and Steam Engine and other preparations at the first quarter of 293 AC
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>>3482621
>Tentative agreement
See what options she has available for us. If we don’t like any of them, we can just not agree to the betrothal
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>>3482621
>[Agree]: "Fine, let's go through my options then."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVWEb-At8yc

hype intensifies.
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>>3482621
>Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."
We need some time to build up and that way we'll have better options
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The pool of potential marriage partners will be significantly improved once we finish building our ship and do our Legendary deed.

>Postpone
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>>3482621
>>[Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."
Once we have the Free Cities plan done we will have a shitload of gold and more marriage options than even mother dearest will know what to do with. Get the glory and then get the best marriage possible. Its just a few more years anyway. And if it is so important, we can see who see recommends but lets not fall into that pit just yet.

Besides, Manderly has a granddaughter of suitable age...
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>Postpone
>Mother, I am building other ship. After its maiden voyage and I have demonstrated its application then I will have to deal with this issue - mostly by leaving it in your care since it will be a massive headache.
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I haven't got caught up yet
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>Bring in the Wenches
>>3482627
>>3482632
>>3482636
>>3482640


>Soon tm
>>3482625
>>3482628
>>3482646
>>3482658
>>3482660


Postpone it is
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>[Postpone]: "I just need a few more years..."

You shake your head
"It is too soon."
"Neither of us are getting any younger son."
"I just need a few more years, three at most and then I will be ready."
She lifts her eyebrow
"You've some plans I do not know about then?"
You recline back and turn to face her.
"So many. Before I came here, I made an arrangements to begin construction of another ship."
"And you wish to wait until the vessel is done?"
"Ninety paces long tallship, 80 guns each larger than on the ones the Long Night and with large enough payload to level castles. It will also come with various other features that did not exist in my previous vessel.
The Ship will suffer no rivals in the known world, not until someone makes another."

Your mother taps her fingers on the carriage door as she thinks
"And you think it will help with the negotiations?"
"It will be a show of force, prestige and displays the capabilities of my Industry. The Prince himself has shown an interest in the construction."
Her expression shifts slightly for a moment
"That does certainly change things, albeit if the vessel is a failure..."
"Then it will be subject of some embarrassment, but I will still have the lands and the industry."

She picks up her embroidery once more and begins working on it as she gives her reply
"Three years. If you aren't married by then, you'll take what's left on the table."
"Three years and there will be none so eligible bachelor in the realm."
"Since we are now in agreement..."
She gives you a sly look
"I think it's about time we discussed on your preferences for marriage partners."
"Preferences?"
"I do want you to be happy you know! Having no say in these matters leaves a bitter taste in the mouth."
"Err..."
"Of course it's perfectly fine to say you don't care about appearances so long as you get paid for it, even if it's not particularly romantic view."

>What type of marriage arrangement would you have mother look for you?

>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
>"Money sounds good. I can always put a bag over her head."
>"I wish for a powerful ally, everything else is irrelevant."
>"So long as it advances the dynasty, I don't really care. Go nuts."
>Write-in
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I missed you.
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>>3482721
>"So long as it advances the dynasty, I don't really care. Go nuts."
>Write-in
She has to like sailing, and the sea as a caveat. Maybe have an interest in getting an education for herself.
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>>3482721
>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
>"So long as it advances the dynasty, I don't really care. Go nuts."
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>>3482721
>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
No waifu war for you today, QM.
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>>3482721
>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
>"I wish for a powerful ally, everything else is irrelevant."
Mention Manderly or Mormont as a potential pick, otherwise go for a smart girl that can help manage our shit up north.
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>>3482721
>"So long as it advances the dynasty. I don't really care. Go nuts."
>Write-in
She needs to like sailing, and preferably isn't afraid of heights.
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>>3482721
>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
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>>3482721
>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
>"So long as it advances the dynasty, I don't really care. Go nuts."
Welcome back OP.
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>Dynasty first
>>3482730
>>3482733
>>3482737
>>3482745

>Must like seamen
>>3482730
>>3482737

>Gotta be powerful ally
>>3482735

>Just get me someone who's not a harlot
>>3482733
>>3482734
>>3482735
>>3482739
>>3482745
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>>3482790
>>"I just want a good wife. No mental or physical deformities or ones with scandalous relationships. Preferably educated."
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>>3482790
no harlots
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>Good wife

"I suppose I would rather just have a good woman."
"Could you be a bit more specific?"
"No physical or mental deformities or derangements, no scandalous relationships and preferably someone that did receive enough of an education to be able to run the castle to certain extent."
She nods
"I'll see what I can do, although we might end up having to pay a bride price depending how good the match is. People don't just throw good daughters away at anyone."
"You're the one who asked, I just gave you an honest answer."

After a quick stop at Highgarden, you met up with the rest of your family who welcomed you with open arms. They had already procured a ferry ride to Ashfor and were merely waiting at your arrival.

"So, you're a Northern Lord now."
Your father said as the menials carried the luggage to the boat
"I suppose I am."
"So, how are the lands you've been given?"
"Rich with peat, coal, fish and fool's gold."
He chuckles
"Land is still land, wealthy or not. Besides! You've a castle and servants now."
"That is certainly true."

"Could I borrow Arthur for a moment?"
"Of course Bob."
Your elder brother pulls you off to the side where you have a shred of privacy.

"Listen, we need to talk."
He says with a serious look on his face
"What's up my brodicles?"
"This. You becoming a Lord, the Ashford victory, the Guns, everything."
You lift your eyebrow
"Right, so what's the problem? We're doing rather fine here aren't we?"
"That's the thing, every time things are fine for you, it's a sign that you are planning to do something crazy again."
"Well, to my credit, it has worked out pretty well thus far."
You chuckle
"Listen, I don't think you're mad, not anymore. Not after Harrenhal, the Citadel and the Greyjoy Rebellion. Mother and Father might be very happy with your lordship, Ayenna might be fawning over your exploits and Rickar might be envious for being left behind, but me? I can't shake the feeling that this is just another step in some unseen plan you've brewed."
You give him a smile
"So what if it is?"
"Then I fear what comes next for you. If you grasp for more, if you reach any further, I can't see any other outcome that you get wrapped in the great game and that eventually it will kill you just like it has killed so many others, it might kill us as well. I am content with what I have, we don't need to do any more. You don't need to do any more."

>How do you respond?
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Sorry bro, but whatever we do, the game of thrones is going to be deadly for everyone, involved or not, in the next few years.
Also, Ice zombies.
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>>3482873
>well I cannot stop not now. I must have at least this last play
You do not need to be a part of it brother and I promise to do my best to not harm our family. But know you will always be welcome if you wish to play this game with me.
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>>3482873
"I have no excuse *not* to do more. I admit the next step will be the biggest yet, but I cant further my goals without it and I dont see the other locals dragging the realm out of abject poverty and despair. Besides, there is a reason I moved up North under perhaps the most cool-headed Lord there is. As to the family, I trust you are capable of handling things down here. The guns and machines are up with me so you shouldnt see too much interference, especially if Tarly protects you from the higher lords. For now, dont worry too much, theres still a couple years until you see some serious shit."
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>>3482873
"I see what you are telling me bro."
"However by being borned,we've became part of the game.You,me,sis,ma and pa are deep in it."
"And no.I'm not going for any claims on the seat,I just want to make a great thriving business in which i hope to retire."
also give brother some hot tips.
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>>3482873
There is going to be some time of peace and summer. But once winter comes great turmoil will grip the kingdoms and great powers will aim to descend upon it or redraw the maps according to their designs. I aim to cut all that down before it even start - it may be the death of me, but if I do nothing it will be just the same.

It is is not about grasping for more. It is about fighting, winning and having a chance at getting to live to an old age.

Plus I would rather you and father not even be in the situation of perhaps burning together with Lord Tarly - because you and father are knightly exemplars who would perhaps do such brave and foolish things.
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>>3482912
Have we ever predicted the future for our bro before? Wont he think we're mad if we say stuff like this?
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>>3482939
Well you predicted Ashford victory
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>>3482939
We basically told him that the battle of Ashford was going to be pretty important during the targ rebellion
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>>3482620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUCfX1P1ik

I was getting worried you'd died, luckily my time invested into industry ideas and shit won't be wasted.


>>3482873
"Brother I wish I could agree, I wish I could step back and relax but not soon.

In coming years I must prepare, and I would advise you do the same, for bloodshed approaches us and I fear our family might be dragged down by it. If all goes to plan, if I can make my audacious plans work and secure the men, the lands, the wealth and the position needed? Then I will prevent one of the greatest disasters of this age but I can't be certain of my success. Should I fail then I want you to be ready. We live in auspicious times brother but it is merely the calm before the storm. I want to know, can I count on your support in my endeavours?

We can talk more later, in greater detail, but for now I would like to not be your brother, the wise and successful knight, but rather your brother, who has been away for too long and misses his family."


>>3482939
We have, his line about not thinking us mad anymore is in reference to what we've told him of the future and shit. He thinks we're either prophetic or were honest about having been reincarnated.
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>>3482939
He already knows we're spooky, maybe mage-touched. He's just worried we might be overreaching ourselves.

>>3482873

"Brother dearest, if you only knew how bad things really were. Our house will need every advantage if we are to survive the tempest ahead, a violent storm the likes of which has not been seen in the Seven Kingdoms since the Long Night. Keep your cards close to the chest and your enemies even closer. Fortify key points in your lands, and don't skimp on your military. The Reach will be a very important place soon, and I don't want you to get caught with your pants down.

Remember, Bobbie - family first. Always."

I'd like for us to make SOME use of the Reachlands down south with Brother as our proxy (since he is so close to us). Not right now, of course, not when we need to start developing our own lands. But we should look into providing our brother some gunpowder supply before the War begins in earnest, so as to make him a key (proxy) player in the Game, with us behind him.
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>Offer to found a new House so you dont bring danger to his family/house
Guilt by association type of thing.
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>>3482969
I agree, part of the reason why I said I want his support in >>3482964 is in hopes he can supply some troops for us in our mad attack against the free cities to bolster our numbers.

Fact is our ship will have the capacity to support a lot of troops even before we optimise the shit out of the design, I want to fill it with loyal and well trained men, something which we don't really have the resources to acquire in the north but if we can get our brother to throw us 100 men of spear or something? That provides a serious improvement to our current line up while also helping to get his troops used to firearms / their tactics and helping to spread their fame.

Also, at this wedding, we should look into networking the shit out of everyone. If we can get investors in our industry up north, producing guns and powder, we might be able to get the land we need to finish up some of our production chains with all we offer in return being a discounted price on X many cannons, guns or weights of powder.

Especially with our family, I mean ideally we'd set up further powder production down here in-family but that would strain our resources and probably exceed demand at least at first. Although I suppose our folk's lands contain copper mines, they could certainly make use of it for mining. Might also want to see if anyone just wants to straight up order a really fancy gun from us as a way of getting some small quantity, high value but high quality deals under way for us to personally take care of.

>>3482996
We are already a separate house but we are a cadet branch.
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>>3482999
No we are still Tallon
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>>3483023
We did however make ourselves a new house, we had a decision and everything: we made a new house shield, tried to come up with a house phrase, etc.
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>>3483031
Wasant that just for Knight coat of arms?
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>>3483038
Nah we are a separate house. Just that the de jure inheritance links back to our family. Legally, we are a separate entity.
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>>3483049
technically the dejure inheritance reverts to the stark if we do not get a wife and spawn a heir.

But then again as a respawn eldritch abomination shit like what happens after we die is irrelevant to us until we figure out to travel between alternate realities.
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>>3483049
Aha thanks, i guess there will be no Guilt by association type of thing then.
So we are all gucci gang
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>>3483056
Nah senpai, we may name an heir we like. Whether he actually gets to inherit, even though he legally should, is another matter.
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>>3483057
Guilt by association exists in Westeros when it's convenient and collective punishment is not against the law or unheard of.
It's entirely possible to someone to try to get back at you by targeting your family in Reach.

Cersei for one would be more than happy to do this sort of shit.
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>>3483284
Not like not playing the game saved people from getting fucked in the future.
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>>3483284
Cersei for one is easily dealt with via setting up a net to catch a falling child.
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I don't think we should save the Stark child, anons. What we SHOULD do is prevent his assassination by the peasant valyrian dagger wielder by happening to be in the room for one reason or another. That'd make the Starks extremely grateful.

Remember too that it was Bran's fall that prompted Ned to head to the Capital. We'll be missing out on a lot of intrigue and networking stuff if we snuff that storyline so soon by saving the not-cripple.
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>>3483534
No it wasn't you fucking retard.
Robert came to Winterfell to make Ned hand so he goes regardless.
Bran doesn't get assassinated anyway, the wolf foils that.
This is an easy way to deal with Cersei before she ruins everything.
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>>3483548
But Ned was undecided until his wife persuaded him that he would be better placed in KL to find out who was behind this plotting, especially with the letter she received from her sister.

>wolf foils that
...that's why I said WE should be the ones trying to take the credit for his survival, not some animal. I know the wolf foils the attempt, together with the mother being there. Us getting some or all of the cred for it is just a bonus.
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>>3483562
I'd rather we deleted Cersei from the equation immediately.
Perfect opportunity.
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>>3483562
Nothing good can come of letting Cersei live. Nothing.
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>>3483574
>>3483587
Wouldn't it be more prudent to alter the events as little as possible until the war begins? Cersei being removed so soon will significantly reduce our "clairvoyance". Not to mention the fact that she fucks things up for her side as much as (if not more than) she does for her enemies.
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>>3483599
There will be no war with no Cersei.
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>>3483646
But the fortunes of our House, as reliant as it is in military tech, rises with the coming of a war. How is this of benefit to us?
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>>3483658
Because a retarded bloody civil war is retarded and not what we want at all.
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>>3483660
What -do- you want?
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>>3483658
>>3483660
To be honest, that is part of the reason I think we need to start investing in non-military inventions and industry as soon as possible.

If we can make our prospects better from peace than war, we avoid it's necessity.
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>>3483664
Money.
Of which Essos may well be an infinite supply.
War of the 5 kings really fucks up who we can sell to as well.
It's not really worth it.
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>>3483668
Given the title of the quest itself being gunpowdery, I half expected the anons to want to navigate through the War with the inherent advantage of firearms. The Retard Anon >>3483672 does make an interesting point about going to Essos for money, but there's something to be said about making use of circumstances already known to the character (since he already read the books while living in our world) to walk the thin tightrope of politics.

I for one would like for us to become a Major House in the Seven Kingdoms, perhaps by occupying the Stepstones and controlling the world trade, or going through the War and getting power the way a monopoly over firearms will give during a war with a capital W.

>>3483672
Do you have a specific plan in mind, RetardAnon?
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I have a question for all you money-hungry anons: why? Why do you want to get masses of cash? What for? After the FC plan we get more than enough cash to not only fund all our projects but crash the local gold value to boot (albeit temporarily). What does the extra gold give us?

Far as I see, our major hurdle is not capital, its manpower. We lack educated men, trained workers and just plain mass. And as far as character goals are concerned, keep in mind that the airship is still our main goal right now. Using the FC gold to set up masses of industry and marrying Manderlys granddaughter, for example, leaves us with massive wealth and a great local powerbase off of which we can industrialize. When Bobby comes up North we save Bran, avert the whole 5K clusterfuck and focus on flying machines. Then, when the White Walkers arrive at the Wall we can bomb them to oblivion and retire as a skycaptain, or build a canal, or take over the Stepstones etc.

The fact that our FC show will drive the demand of gunpowder-related goods sky-high means we will also not have an issue with selling our goods, rather making enough to sell.

So again, why start a war when we can build in peace?
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>>3483727
That's a very optimistic outlook of what is going to happen. And gold is a good motivator to get trained men into our territories.

I think the "save Bran" anons are forgetting that we will be mired with political fallout with the Lannisters withdrawing their support to the Crown, which I do not need to remind you is in heavy debt. The Seven only know what the QM will do with the clusterfuck that comes afterward.

It is safest, in my opinion, to skim over the pond of the pre-set story as we have done until now. Make as much gain as possible while not overriding the larger story's direction. Once we make such a massive change like saving Bran and having Cersei... what? Executed in the North?

Things will go out of hand, and we will lose that advantage of clairvoyance.
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>>3483769
>know what's going to happen in the future!
>let's just never actually do anything to change anything.
It doesn't have to end with Cersei execution and Tywin isn't dumb enough to try and 1vall the entire continent.
Lannisters could attempt a negotiation to pay off the crown debt or something.
There are many opportunities.
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>>3483683
I want to industrialise westeros but more specifically our lands, with the goal of making ourselves strong enough to take control of Westeros or something similarly vast / powerful. I want to unite the world in ever-lasting respect for the man that killed the white-walkers, united the world and brought about a age of science, wisdom and fair rule.

Also, I really want to make multiple revolvers and have our MC go full gunslinger on a crowd of knights. Proving once and for all our superiority of arms. Learning magic would be nice too but we might need to leave that for another run.

>>3483727
>What does the extra gold give us?
The ability to buy extra land, troops and other stuff we want as well as generally just being a rich ass man which makes us eligible for better marriages.

>Far as I see, our major hurdle is not capital, its manpower.
Something which we can resolve with sufficient masses of cash. We can trade wealth for population or power.

>Then, when the White Walkers arrive at the Wall we can bomb them to oblivion and retire as a skycaptain, or build a canal, or take over the Stepstones etc.
As I have said before, I personally doubt that any flying machines we can build will be sufficiently deadly to eliminate their numerous hordes. Even if we had 100 machines that wipe out 500 men each, we kill 50,000 of them every strike and that is assuming they don't start marching in loose order or manage to eliminate us.

>So again, why start a war when we can build in peace?
Because we can? Because it's fun? Because it will be a way to wealth, fame and respect?

>>3483769
>Lannisters withdrawing their support to the Crown, which I do not need to remind you is in heavy debt.
If only we had some plan to get a truly inconceivable amount of wealth, that we might be able to use to somewhat help the crown in these troubling times...

In general though, yeah. The bigger the ripples we make the more fucked this shit gets. I mean having a powerful cannon-ship in the royal fleet is already going to seriously change things, though it at least only effects things occuring after the war starts.
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>>3483769
So no real reason for the masses of cash and instead of using our knowledge we just *dont* capitalize on being the no.1 man of Ned while simultaneously cucking Tywin.

>>3483802
Unless QM says we can indeed buy in our Pop many times over without worry Im going to say the increase in manpower will turn social cohesion and Law to shit in our lands. As to WW, what I meant was that with an airship its mighty easy to adjust artillery targets. If we show up with an airfleet and an artillery corps the walkers will be mush log before they reach anything. And as to fun, as we have seen, being bogged down in Lordly business is boring as fuck whereas being a ship captain was fun as hell. Now imagine airship captain in Essos. Shits cash.
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>>3485230
And I forgot to say that after the FC plan there will be more takers for our weapons/powder than we can produce anyway, while in a war setting we will be expected to provide free shit to Ned since we are his vassal. So *not* going to war is directly more profitable in terms of sales.
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>>3485230
>>3485239
We are not the No.1 man of Ned. Saving Bran, while beneficial, will not drive the man to paranoia and desperation like the boy's injury and attempted assassination will. THAT'S what will make us the No.1 man for Ned.

Yes, saving the boy before he gets crippled will see a boost in his favour toward us. And he will likely even repay it in some form or another, since he's a very noble man. But you are completely forgetting the fear factor, the urgency with which men are driven when they face imminent threat. I do not want a rational, calm-headed Ned, hovering over us like the Lord Paramount that he is - no matter how much he likes us. I want him fearful, even more trusting than he has any right of being. See: Baelish

I do not address the simplistic outlook our RetardAnon has in regards to my tempered approach toward changing the storyline in a big way, because I've already made my point. Our understanding of future events will veer off dramatically as we make greater fundamental changes. The crippling of Bran is something I can live with, seeing as the immediate reward from it is minor compared to the long-term benefit when doing otherwise. Your dislike for Cersei (who is a terrible, terrible person) is blinding you to the soft power we can attain if we are patient.

Besides, I don't want Robert's bastard to become the next king. I would rather have Stannis, who we have an established relationship with. The War is not the end goal, but the means to many ends.

I don't want just wealth, I want legitimacy. And that calls for playing the Great Game.
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>>3483802
That's a good overall goal. My overarching concern is being seen as a "Frey" - wealthy upstarts, basically. To do that we need no small amount of Crown/Lord Paramount patronage, as well as a name for ourselves. The Free Cities will be a major step toward that, but it should not be the only thing we rely on. Significant ties to the Faith of Seven, the trust of Ned, and - just as important in my opinion as the first two - the replacement of Robert with someone who appreciates our value for what we are, not how entertaining we can be. Stannis.

I do not propose a long, costly dragged-out war, anons. I ask that we invest in the future, not chase short-term glories for its own sake. The War is not a goal in and of itself, but rather an opportunity to attain many things not possible for a newly-fledged house in the tranquility of peace-time.
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>>3485382
You do realize that with Bran Plan comes not only averting Brans death (brownie points with Ned) but the reveal of the incestry of Cersei? We simultaneosly become besties with both Ned and Bobby. As to becoming a leech on Ned, why? And starting the war, for what? I mean, "lol I want power" is a shitty ass motivation. And its not like we will be limited by cash after FC.

I think we should go at it this way: what do you want to achieve? For the MC its flight- something FC plan covers and Bran Plan buys enough time for. What is reliant on the war?
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>>3485437
If "lol I want power" is the only thing you got from what I wrote, then you have a shitty ass head. Revealing Cersei is not guaranteed to let us become "besties" with Bobby. I am talking about using the knowledge we have to maneuver to a dominant position post-war, the prestige of which will grant us not just gold, but men. A trained or trainable workforce that want to serve one of the most decorated commanders from the Big Fucking War that they just suffered.

If all you want is to build a blimp, then I can kind of see why you would want to go with Bran Plan.
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>>3485487
Wew, butt-devastated much? And you didnt even anwser the question. What is your end goal?
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All this arguing is getting on my nerves. You people don't realise the true end goal here! We of our era are just as desensitized to violence as these people are in theirs! And I consider that a sad thing. When Lords can lie and start rebellions to seize power, what is stopping them from marching us all to our death?! Never mind the threat of the White Walkers, which our current politicians fail to address!

My friends, I have a dream. A dream that one day, all the small folk and minor houses rebel against their oppressive regimes! That every man becomes free to think, feel, and act for HIMSELF! The forst step to that is capital, and man power, both of which we'll achieve through INDUSTRY! We will pull this backwards country UP BY THE ROOTS!! Into an agricultural revolution, and then an INDUSTRIAL revolution, with US as the SPEAR HEAD!!

We'll use war as an institution... to end war as a instituition.
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>>3485632
Lol, forst.
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>>3485632
Steammachines, son!
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>The Future is gonna be a shitstorm friend

[1/2]

You shake your head
"I'm afraid the peace we live now is but the calm before the storm. Unperturbed, the great powers of this continent will once again descend upon each other to tear their throats out. Borders will be redrawn and poor decisions will be made."
"What manner of poor decisions?"
"A Gargantuan civil war, far larger, longer and bloodier than Robert's rebellion ever was and with many more factions vying for power. This, however, is not worst of it. There will be a foreign invasion and another King beyond the wall will also seek to invade south, chased down by white walkers and their army of the dead."
"Aren't White Walkers supposed to be gone for thousands of years?"
"Well, the powers that be have decided to wage this conflict right before Winter, after a long, long summer."
He raises an eyebrow shaking his head
"Are you implying that the Long Night of myth is coming again and that you plan to prevent?"
"I do not believe I can change the seasons, but the civil war? That I certainly can influence."
"I don't suppose you could tell me what you're planning specifically?"
"I could, but I won't. You already know enough to make your preparations, and to to make a hefty profit when the time comes. Also, it would ruin the surpise."
He draws a long breath and sighs
"You know, I'm starting to think you are mad again."
"Fair enough I suppose, but I do trust you'll not speak of this to a soul."
He nods
"I don't think anyone would believe me even if I did."
"I suppose they wouldn't, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious. Anyhow, stock up on food while you still can and keep the state of your granaries private. Hungry people tend to get desperate."

You give him a pat on the back and head to the ferry
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[2/2]

After the ferry took off, rest of your family started socializing with the other passengers, many of them were apparently guests and performers, coming for the wedding. Supposedly there was going to be a small tourney as well, but you've never really developed yourself as much of a knight.

Like usual, you largely kept to yourself. You occupied a corner for yourself on the vessel and began going through the book on herbal lore that you borrowed from Maester Stuar, both he and Maester Tobias recommended it as a reliable reference material for the most common remedies.

"What are you reading?"
A female voice asks you
You flip back to the beginning of the book and read the title out aloud
"Treatise on the healing applications of common herbs by Maester Tyral."
"Is it interesting?"
"Treatises are an acquired taste. So, how's it hanging Ayenna?"
"Not much, just about to get married to a man I don't know."
"That's how it often goes in this world."
You say as you mark your page and put down your book
"Easy for you to say, mother doesn't seem to be in a hurry to push you to marry."
"I don't know, she was pretty insistent back in the carriage."
"So, you marrying soon as well?"
She says as she sits next to you
"I've got few years of extension off her thanks to working on something that Prince Stannis is interested in."
She sighs
"I'm so jealous, you gambled your way to fortune and then got to live a life in the way you wanted to, you got to go to the Citadel, travel the world, talk to royalty and even get your own Lordship, meanwhile I'll just be a wife to some knight I've never even met."
You chuckle
"Yea, that does sound like I've had a pretty great life now that you put it that way."
"No need to rub it in you arse."
She sighs again
"It's disgraceful isn't it? How we debase marriage by turning it into a thing of convenience. The Bride and Groom are asked whether or not they want to marry, but more often than not there's no real choice there."

>"There's always the choice to say no, if you feel so strongly about it."
>"Convenience lasts a lot longer than love and passion."
>"Women who tend to wait for true love often end up drinking a lot of wine and owning a lot of cats when they're middle-aged."
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
>Write-in
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>>3485715
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
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>>3485715
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."

Seems in character.
I wonder if we will meet Olenna here :P
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>>3485715
>"Women who tend to wait for true love often end up drinking a lot of wine and owning a lot of cats when they're middle-aged."
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
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>>3485715
>"Women who tend to wait for true love often end up drinking a lot of wine and owning a lot of cats when they're middle-aged."
>"Give the fella a chance. Our parents must've seen some good to trust you to him.Remember to sent letters home atleast twice a month,gotta keep in contact."
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>>3485715
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
>Write-in
And live with her favorite brother up in the North.
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>>3485715
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
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>>3485715
>offer to marry her instead
makes her happy, gets mom off our backs, we get a waifu who doesn't mind our quirks, and it keeps the bloodline pure
literally can't see a downside to this
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>>3485728
>"Women who tend to wait for true love often end up drinking a lot of wine and owning a lot of cats when they're middle-aged."
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
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>>3485750
Go to bed Cersei
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We're still marrying Airis, right?
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>>3485715
>Write-in
"Trust me, people debase everything: the Citadel is as much a place of learning as scheming between arch-maesters and their lessers for example; that doesn't mean that you can't make the best of this.

I doubt mother or father would choose someone who they think you'd find intolerable but if it is really all that bad you can refuse or run away but if you are going to do either, I'd hope you'd send your brother a letter so I can help. I doubt my help would be needed but there exist some truly terrible people."


>>3485762
I think the plan is to gather as much power as possible and see who throws who at us. Personally I want to marry northern to strengthen our connection to the people / region but I'd also accept any number of alternatives so long as they aren't cunts or useless.
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>>3485715
>"Women who tend to wait for true love often end up drinking a lot of wine and owning a lot of cats when they're middle-aged."
>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away
>>3485767
Northern wife is probably the best bet to really be accepted in, I've also remember talks about marrying someone really rich from the free cities from a while back. Let's see how our plans pan out in three years.
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>>3485715
>>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."
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>>3485793
Yeah marrying into a Free city family could work out well, it'd give us a link to non-westerosi assets and a place to put shit we need to keep out the eye of the king / players in the great game.
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>>3486095
I think a notable Lys family then given the city lacks a standing army. So with our aid our wives family could strong arm themselves into power. Plus it would act as a good naval base into the southern seas.
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>>3486224
>>3486095

Next life when we get ourselves a proper ship and cannons through a life of piracy. Then Lys would indeed be invaluable and could be turned as a pirate kings capital.
But now our industry is in the fucking north as well as all our manpower and their fucking families. So a westerosi one is more beneficial since we wont move. Manderly is the best for us if we don't somehow get into the Lord Paramounts and a rather long engagement period for even younger girls.
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>>3486377
Manderlys only daughter is only a year or two older than arya.
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>>3486413
Wynafryd Manderly is the eldest daughter of Ser Wylis Manderly and Leona Woolfield.
Born in 280 AC or 281 AC, at White Harbor.
Wylla Manderly is the second daughter of Ser Wylis Manderly and Leona Woolfield Allegiance House Manderly.
Born in 284 AC or 285 AC, at White Harbor
Post time skip they will be 12 or 13 and 8 or 9.
After FC plan, 13 and a half or so would be just fine with a period of engagment of a few months or a year. 14. Post puberty and viable.
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>>3486377
Why does everyone want to create bloodshed? Why can't we reincarnate as a genius toymaker and invent the pinball machine? Maybe even a Rubik's Cube?
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>>3486473
Because this is GOT world, if you don't partake in bloodshed it comes to you.

At best, we could mess around as a explorer or a masterful duelist or something. Maybe an alchemist or scholar.
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>>3486787
>>3486473
Also the quest is called a powder fantasy. Bloodshed is part of the deal.
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>>3485762
Does she come with a 25,000 gold dowry? If not, she can go fuck herself.
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>>3486884
>>3485762
if we have aims of moving from Port maw, marrying her to whom we want to give port maw to run in our absence (taking the stepstones, building a canal and a twin city at the other end for shipbuilding etc.) might be a good option to marry her to. our vassal, or who knows our little brother perhaps.
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>>3486899
Yeah, she has nothing, no influence, no power. She is worth nothing to us or our goals. Ignore her and prepare for our future.
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>>3486899
>Giving your vassals claim to your titles
Looks like someone hasn't played CK2
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>"Give the fella a chance. If it doesn't work out, you can always run away."

[1/2]

"Why not give it a shot anyhow?"
You shrug
"Best case scenario, it works out between the two of you and you'll live happily ever after. Worst case scenario, you'll run away back to your family. Anywhere in between? Tepid and an uneventful marriage still won't exactly stop you from pursuing your own interests now do they?"
She sighs
"You sound like mother."
"If she is right, then she's right."
"What about the sanctity of marriage? It is supposed to be a sacred union, not a bargaining chip for political games!"
"Just relax woman, you're marrying a war buddy that Bob and father met during a campaign. Way I see it, this arrangement isn't exactly dripping with blood, barter, lies and political intrigue. It's likely that father found you a good match and just went for it.""
"You don't think there's any hidden agendas at all?"
"If the gods pour him a cup of wine, should he not drink it?"
You said as you resumed reading your treatise on herbalism.

She still kept complaining the whole day about things, to which you responded by adhering the wisdom of the great men of ancient times. By zoning out, nodding and occasionally saying 'mhm' as you focused on more productive things.

As stated by the Sun Tzu in the Art of War: 'Women don't want solutions, they just want to complain about their problems.'

After a few days of travel, you finally made it the Ashford, a lovely piece of idyllic countryside with Orchards, farms and generally speaking well off looking farmers overlooked by a great stone castle. One certainly could not tell from a first glance that this region had been one of the hot spots in Robert's Rebellion.
It was prosperous, the people were in good spirits and everything was in good condition.

Upon reaching the castle, your family and their entourage was welcomed with open arms. The introductions were brief and uneventful as everyone was tired from the travel, waiting to clean the dust of the road and fill their bellies with supper before retiring for the day.

Ser Grandon Ashford himself seemed like a fairly regular bloke far as knights go. Little rough around the edges, tad nervous and with some scars and blemishes from his hands, no doubt as a result of his career. All around, he gave you the vibe of a Soldier out of his element.

Tomorrow would be the day for the Ceremony.
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[2/2]

And so the day came, a day of festivities, religious ceremonies, feasting and naturally, a humble tourney along with other contests of skill which would be held in honor of the couple.

They had set out Tourney grounds in the Ashford meadow on the southern shore of Cockleswent, the river which stretched across Ashford.
It was a site of some historical significance, having served as a spot for one of George's Spinoff books, 'The Hedge Knight', a nice read, but honestly you wished the tub of lard would just focus on finishing the main story before making spinoffs, for fuck's sake Dance of Dragons was published in 2011 how slow can a man write?

Anyhow, before the couple would be wed, there was the custom of presenting wedding gifts to the couple as a way of assurances for their future before they commit themselves.

Before heading to the wedding reception, you unpacked your gift for your sister and her husband.
>What was it?

> 4-pounder light-infantry cannon with a box full of ammo.
> Crate containing a 10 muskets and 1000 shots worth of ball and powder
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
> Masterfully crafted and ornate musket along box of ammunition
> Something else: What?
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>>3488408
>> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
Since resupply of ammo will be hell, might as well make it a fancy backup weapon. We can demo some of our own stuff and arouse interest in them that way. Maybe talk with the family about a shipment too?
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
Seems to be one for each of em.
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition

As a present for a couple, two guns makes more sense than one.
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
> Something else: A pair of bear fur jackets with polished quartz as buttons
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>>3488434
Changing my vote to both of these: >>3488472
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>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
> Something else: A pair of bear fur jackets with polished quartz as buttons

best sister
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>>3488408
>> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
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Because I feel empathy for fictional beings: I propose we pull aside the supposed groom and kindly suggest to treasure our sister. Else we will fuck him up something fierce.
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>>3488700
i think the groom actually feel very very lucky to be alive and start a family.
also he is getting married to a girl who has a brave strong brother,a keen minded mother,a chivalrous father,and us,the gun smithing,cannon smithing,explosive making,modern industrialist sea captain knight manlet who threatens Gregor Clegane.
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> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
> Masterfully crafted and ornate musket along box of ammunition
> Something else: A pair of bear fur jackets with polished quartz as buttons
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>>3488851
>>3488408
> Masterfully crafted pair of ornate pistols along box of ammunition
> Masterfully crafted and ornate musket along box of ammunition
> Something else: A pair of bear fur jackets with polished quartz as buttons
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>>3488408
>> Masterfully crafted and ornate musket along box of ammunition
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>>3488891
my reasoning is that a musket is much better for hunting and you could show off to the hunting nobility and flex on them
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I can't seem to recall what conclusion we came to regarding percussion caps. I assume it's not really all that possible due to the machining and materials required, right?
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>>3489851
Basically we need a source of mercury so we can produce mercury fulminate: a percussion-explosive used in blast caps for guns.

The actual work for developing the right methods might make us insane with mercury poisoning and it'd only be useful once we've got a bit more advanced industry in other regards so we can produce good guns that actually benefit from it.
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>>3488891
Supporting!

>>3489876
Kek
>Next life we live, we are mentally impaired due to severe mercury poisoning
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>>3489906
Nah dude next life we become same again becuase we get a new body without mercury
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>>3490250
Yes but whatever we forgot while we were insane we're not going to get back just because we've got a healthy brain again.
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>>3489876
That we wont get percussion unless we either choose it as a reward or spend ridiculous amounts of time researching mostly blindly through the medieval equivalent of chemistry.

Plus, while we can rifle the barrels no problem, making casings will also be an R&D question and with black powder the barrel will foul very fast.

On the plus side, making gun cotton is really easy so we can theoretically get into smokeless with a bit of effort.
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>>3490897
Well hopefully we will remeber the fucking precussion caps
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[1/2]

After a hearty breakfast, you dressed yourself in the fineries your mother had picked you, pinning the chain on your chest which displayed your academic achievements. The pins which she had gotten for the chain bore your new house sigil and the other bore your knightly arms.

Once you had dressed yourself, you pulled out the gifts you had prepared for the wedding. Two cases, one containing generously sized bear fur coats which could be downsized by a tailor if need be, another containing two pistols, tools for their maintenance, ammunition as well as pair of Leather holsters, also made from bear.

The Pistols themselves were part of the new Double Barreled Outrider model you were developing albeit far more decorated ones than the standard issue model would ever be.

Upon reaching the reception in the wedding grounds, you were greeted with familiar faces.

"Lord Randyll, Lady Melessa"
"If it isn't Lord Arthur Tallon. Last I heard was that you became a Lord in the North."
"That's the gist of it."
You show him the coats you brought
"Killed some bears up there and turned them into coats. The Buttons on them are from a crystal formation I found inside a boulder after breaking it."
You also raise the case with the pistols
"Got some weapons I madw as gift too."
"Brought a Charger Stallion for the groom myself."
He says as he gives a pat to the horse next to him.
"There a lot of Bears on your lands?"
"Nah, not mine. There's an annual thing in Wolfswood where a big hunt is had to thin their numbers. Got paired with one Lord Medger Cerwyn, you'd like him. We bagged 17 bears on that trip, an absolute madlad."
"17? You're full of shit."
"I assure I am not, that got him this year's Master of Hunt in Winterfell. It's recorded in their books. Where he got that good at tracking."
"I've got some hunting stories of my own too. Last month I was hunting with our new King-"
It was then one of the Ashford servants tapped on his shoulder
"Excuse me Lord Tarly, you are up next."
"We'll talk later over a drink. I need to go give this horse to your brother in law."
"Have a good one."

You watched as Lord Randyll exchanged few pleasantries with the couple and one of the servants took the horse away as they were guided by another to be seated.

"You are next Lord Tallon."
"Right, can you help with these?"
"Of course Lord."
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[2/2]


You handed your gifts to the servant to carry and walked in front of the table where Ser Grandon Ashford and your sister Ayenna were sitting next to each other. Beside her were your parents and your brother Bobbert and Ser Grandon's Uncle, Lord Ashford himself with rest of his immediate family.

"Hello, sister, mother, father, future In-laws. I hope the day finds you well."
"The smaller one first if you wouldn't mind?"
The Servant hands out the pistol case
"My first gift to you is a box and within this box are twin Outrider pistols of the newest model with the appropriate ornamentation."
You open the case
"Within the box you will find instruction manual for use, maintenance, cleaning and proper firearms etiquette along with the necessary tools for such and of course the ammunition required for the operation of these devices."
You lay the box in front of them for inspection
"They're beautiful"
Your sister says as the couple examines the box
"Will you show me how to use them later on?"
"But of course, it would be my pleasure."
You wave to the servant who holds up the other box
"My second gift are fur coats made from bears of Wolfswood which me and Lord Medger hunted with the use of weapons not unlike these with buttons made from quartz of Winterfell."
You hold up one of the coats before folding it back in
"Just in case you two would like to stop by."
Ser Grandon's uncle elbows him in the ribs deftly who then speaks out.
"Thank Ser Arthur, we will sure to treasure these gifts. The Servants will guide you to your table if it please you."
"Lead the way manservant."

You are guided to a table where your younger brother Rickar is sitting.
"Hey ho my bro, what's kicking."
You say as you slap him on the back and take a seat
"Waiting them to get through the reception so they will start the entertainment."
He responds in a tired fashion
"That's when they will start serving the wine and food and we can start enjoying ourselves."
"Huh, didn't take you for a much of a drinker."
"Drinking isn't a sin, unlike gambling or prostitution."
"It was a one-time thing."
he chuckles
"That's what Bob says as well."
"Well, Bob isn't banned from brothels. No respectable bookie accepts my bets after I cleaned the house in Harrenhal."
"I don't think it's a point in your favor brother."

> Wanna chat about something specific with your younger brother Rickar or move on?
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>>3491140
"Can you really call it a sin when I have already repented and wont gamble again? Besides, Id rather learn what *your* big plans are."
See what he plans on doing and if we can use him, otherwise go on with the event and demo our guns publicly at some point to drum up more interest.
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>>3491181
>>3491140
this
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>>3491181
Sounds good
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>>3491181
I kind of want to help our bro.
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>>3491181
agreed
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>>3491181
This is a wedding, not a gunshow.
Think a little about the time and the place.

What kind of an idiot starts doing a weapons demonstration during what is basically a religious ceremony?
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>>3490900
Honestly casings is the easiest part, it just requires we advance machine tools and precision a fair bit so we can reliably produce chambers and casings that will work together. Something we're going to end up doing anyway as we want to be able to produce the internals of a gun without needing good blacksmiths and on the cheap.

Also, yeah gun cotton and other such things are really simple so we should work on them if nothing else because they provide a alternate method of making our delicious death deliverance systems work which could reduce costs of production or at least provide a alternate source.

Also, I don't remember OP saying that about percussion caps but I honestly don't consider them a high priority. My interests lie in developing shit like hand grenades, flamethrowers, blunderbusses and punt guns. Not to mention industrial machines and products: imagine if we could find a source of a aspirin equivalent in our lands and reliably extract it; we could become rich, selling a reliable and effective pain killer through our connections in the Citadel and shit.
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>>3491222
"at some point", not during the wedding vows. We are supposed to teach the newlyweds to shoot anyway, might as well set up a musket gallery for others to try as well. Dont need to start handing out price catalogues and giving 2-for-1 deals.
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>>3491231
Well, we would need to make a suitable brass alloy and the relevant machines to be able to easily press it, otherwise it will be a costly process to outfit everyone with cased ammo.

As to explosives, hell yeah. Grenades rock. And medicines are hard to do, especially when we are talking mass-production when we cant even reliably test concentrations. The same amount of drug extracted from tree bark could have wildly varying doses and we have no way of measuring that right now. As an example.
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>>3491222
How about Firework? I know it could be used for celebration in History, but not sure how Westeros people would react to using it at a wedding.
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>>3491140
ask him what has he been doing,chit chat about some stuff and give him hot tips
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>>3491232
>Dont need to start handing out price catalogues and giving 2-for-1 deals.
"Arthur Tallon here with a special wedding offer: buy this limited edition outrider pistol, only 1499 silver Dragons, and receive an additional 50 rounds of powder and shot for free but wait there's more, buy now and you'll get 2-year guarantee of quality: it fires or we fix; no questions; no payment."
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>>3491234
I mean, we managed to develop the correct alloy for a printing press with relatively little issue. I doubt that we'd struggle too badly. Though you do have a point, the machines could prove a tad difficult but we've got a few years with little in terms of character occupying events to design and test.

Plus, I don't think the plan is that everyone gets cased ammo, at least not at first. Only our elite and most trusted so we can maximise the effect and minimise the cost. Plus maybe a few Gatling guns or something where it is critical to make it work.


I suppose you have a point about the dosing of medicines but my counter point would be that the active ingredient in aspirin boils at 140 Celsius. If we can purify a solution to just water, unimportant trace materials and the target chemical, then we can reliably and easily extract it by a simple process of boiling off the water.

If we can do that and know we're talking 99% pure stuff, then we just make the dosages at the assumption it's 100% pure and no one gets OD'd on our shit. Not that they easily could with our stuff unless they consumed a fair bit more than they should.
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>>3491247
support
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>>3491263
Its generally not that simple, though I agree we can mitigate the problem somewhat. But then again, guns and powder, not to mention steam and mass-produced goods, are a better source of profits. Plus, we will need a lot of plants to manufacture the drugs anyhow and since we live in a bog with little farmland...
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If you wanted a tent for weapons demo, it should have been planned before the wedding.
If you want to show the dude how the guns work when the entertainment is going on, that can be done.
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>>3491285
Yeah I suppose, we can add it to the list and see if we can ever get round to it.

>>3491286
Probably should show him how they work but I kinda want to talk with as many of the higher lords and ladies present of the different families and see if we can't get any orders for powder, guns or both.
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>>3491232
we can not sell shit at the wedding.
especially not to the groom and bride.
you bring shit to the wedding it is as gifts. publicity and all that.

highjacking a wedding to be a merchant of curious weapons is in poor taste.
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>>3491619
This.

Holy shit has nobody here been to a wedding before?
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>>3491675
where do you think you are?
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>>3491247
Support.
Since the other choice is kinda meh.
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>>3491675
Well, definitely not that guy at least
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>>3491247
supporting
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>>3491690
that dark path leads to becoming an annoying relative who does MLM/Timeshares/Pyramid Schemes sales talk at a family reunion. Never go there.
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>>3491234
Yeah let’s not shill for shekels at our sisters wedding like some sleazy Jew merchant.
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>>3491247
Support
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>>3491675
The last wedding I went to had the groom talk about his foot fetish in his speech.
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>>3491675
Scottish weddings aren't all that much to be honest. I mean you go to a church, sit in silence, listen to a priest, a set of vows, maybe sing some hymns. Most of the time is spent at the reception: eating, drinking and socialising. Not to say that it is exactly acceptable to just suddenly start a sales pitch mid way through that but still.

Also there is the fact that this entire era is a completely different beast in terms of religious reverence so that makes anything we've experienced pointless, we should really just concern ourselves with the fact that the gods might be real and that we shouldn't piss around.
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>>3491328
This is more of a local event because the people marrying aren't heirs. The Biggest name in the event are gonna be the Tarlys and Ashfords.
Remember, the guy your sister will be marrying is not the heir, but rather the cousin to the heir and if big names showed up to weddings every time nobles married, they'd be practically living on the road.

This wedding in grand scheme of things is something of a footnote for the big players.
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>>3492020
Damn, we could probably still see about getting a few purchases from the Tarlys for some high quality guns for themselves but I don't think we're in any position to sell cannons which is the main thing they're going to be interested in.
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>>3492033
No fucking shekel shilling at a damn wedding. No demonstrations, nothing. This day isn’t about us trying to hustle our sisters wedding guests for their money. If someone comes up to us and brings up the stuff unprompted, that’s fine. But it’s a completely different thing from fucking going around trying to sell people shit at our sisters wedding.
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For shame anons, shilling at best sister's wedding like a jew. For shame.
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>>3492176
>>3492236
Fine, fine.
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>>3492236
Oy vey, this is like another shoah, I myself escaped being gassed by pretending to be sick, so they took me to the hospital when the six million were being burned. Afterwards they made me work in a factory where we made lampshades from the skins of the god's chosen peoples.

My grandmother was gassed by Aryan monsters much like yourself while she was still pregnant with my mother.

Think before you comment and be respectful please.
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>>3493382
nigger
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>>3493382
Really?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYslEzHbpus
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>>3491222 certain countries have firing an AK-47 on full automatic into the air as part of the festivities. One of which recently made it illegal because the groom fell over and killed several members of his family.
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>>3491247
Looks like going with this one
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> ask him what has he been doing,chit chat about some stuff and give him hot tips

"So what have you been up to? Haven't really seen you since..."
"Since you became an adventurer? Well, you know me. Before mom pulled me out from the septry, I was studying to be a septon."
He replied with a slightly annoyed tone
"Didn't much care for it?"
"Stuck with a bunch of unwanted highborn sons inside stone walls with nothing to do except read the Seven Pointed Star and make wine? No, I didn't really care for it. Fucking urban septries, an absolute disgrace."
"Well, you are out of there now, got any plans for future?"
"Mother is insisting I start to study stewardship in order to help maintain Bob's future domains. She said she is also looking for a wife for me, but we can't all be Knights with a Maester Chain and a Lordship."
"It's not really too late for you to learn to fight if that's what you're interested in. Seven Hells, with the right gun you could drop the mountain with only an afternoon of training."
"That's not exactly a Chivalrous way to fight."
"I'll be honest with you Rickar, I'm a pretty shitty knight when it comes to swords and jousting. That's why I use guns."

At that moment, one of the servants guided two ladies of the fairer sex to your table.

"Hello ladies, can we help you?"
"It seems we are also seated at this table. I am Lady Dyana Peake, daughter of Lord Titus Peake and this is my sister Elin Flowers."
>[Knowledge Check DC12]: Pass

The Peakes are an ancient bloodline, older than the Tyrells and historic rivals of Manderlys whose contest over succession over Dunstonbury, lead to murder, betrayal and conspiracy, escalating to open war with both sides, this conflict drove Manderlys to exile from the Reach.
In present day they have fallen from grace, having lost much of the wealth and influence they held in the past, including the lands they took from the Manderlys.

Whomever made the seating arrangements was either very ignorant of the fact that you are a neighbor to the Manderlys or exceedingly aware of it.

"I hope the day finds you ladies well. I am Ser Arthur Tallon, Lord of Port Maw, this here's my younger brother Rickar and that nervous wreck at the center of attention is our sister."

The servant pulls the chairs for the ladies as the finish their seating.

"Good to meet you Ser Tallon. We've heard so much about you."
She turns her head to the bustling servants as she sits down
"It seems they're just about done with the reception."
Manservant arrives, giving everyone seated a plate of appetizers and cups to which white wine was generously poured.
"These Salmon rolls are absolutely decadent!"
Lady Dyana exclaims as she takes a bite

"So, since we're stuck together for the banquet, we might as well get to know each other."
She says, giving you a smile
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> [ Why not? ] Drink, be merry, see where the evening goes. Maybe score some tail.
> [ Report to High command ]: Excuse yourself and go tattle to mommy
> [ All cards on the table ] : "You do know I'm actually neighbors with your sworn enemies?"
> [Write-in] : What?
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>>3493621
> [Write-in]
"Mmn, Yum!" swallow food before talking.
Start talking about seafood like an autist gourmet.
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>>3493621
[Red Alert] *Do not be swayed by tail, keep our cool and wait for an opportunity to tattle to mommy. Our best marriage prospect is Manderly, dont veer off course!* [Red Alert]

But in all seriousness, we gotta pee sometime and its as good a chance as any to tell mother-dearest. Until then, be friendly and not overly spaghetti, see if we cant learn what they want etc.
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>>3493637
Seconded.
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>>3493637
supporting this because its funny
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>>3493637
Support
autist mode enabled
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>>3493621
> [ Why not? ] Drink, be merry, see where the evening goes. Maybe score some tail.
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>>3493637
>>3493645
These
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>>3493637
Yes please
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>>3493621
>>3493637
this
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>>3493621
> [ All cards on the table ] : "You do know I'm actually neighbors with your sworn enemies?"

>>3493637
>Not taking the opportunity to start talking about us enjoying the taste of raw fish, a taste earned from a life on the rough and high seas.
>Not regaling them with tales of daring all along the Essosian coast (mostly fiction but how would they know).
>Not just having a good laugh before turning to our brother and asking if he wouldn't like to join us on our next adventure.
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>>3493621
Changing my vote to
[Write-in] Polite small talk


reason why, QM is a finnish forest peasant and know nothing of gourmet food. he has no idea what to write
big oof>>3493689
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>>3493621
> [Avoid Engagement] Standard Polite responses and avoid any potentially controversial or committing topics.
Let's not make a fool of ourselves. Being a complete bore is better for all involved.
Why sperg out about seafood when we have seven courses? Or are you going to start making up and narrating a cooking show while trying to reverse engineer what you are eating ? Anyway you cut it you can only come out as a ass towards your hosts.
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>>3494033
Or just this
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>>3494033
Eat my taint Sweden.
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>>3494047
I love you too
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>>3494033
>>3493621
[Write-in] Polite small talk
no sperging.
we are not drunk yet and have thus no excuse.
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>>3494033
This is fine.
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>>3494047
>>3494051
"Here we see the Common Finnish Mämmi engaging in a display of dominance with the far rarer male Swedish Peacock. Watch as both try to establish a position of strength from which to assault the opponent. And while it may seem queer to us, it is a vital part of the Scandinavian ecosystem."
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>>3494033
Yeah, I don't get why anons want to spurge so much.
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Ok, so what exactly is your angle here?
You basically buying time till you can ditch her and don't say a peep to anyone?
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>>3493621
> [ All cards on the table ] : "You do know I'm actually neighbors with your sworn enemies
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>>3494351
Talk about seafood until we get a chance to talltle to mam
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>>3494351
I’d say just make small talk with her, if she has an angle she’ll get annoyed and eventually get to it, explain why she seek us.
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>>3494351
Polite small talk, to not come of as rude and offend other guests. Just like what one would do in real life. My humble and personal opinion is to get through this feast and wedding as swiftly as possiable. If you gave us a >Skip option we your must humble admirers would pick it without doubt nor hesitation my lord. I know there is proof of your competence in the bible, Jesus will reward you in due time milord.
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>>3494473
This but I don't want to skip this wedding.

I honestly want to see if we can't touch base with our mother / father and explain our situation up north, in case we can convince them to help us in any way or to loan us some additional troops for expedition to Essos (and beyond potentially).
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>>3494473
Yeah this as well, I'd like to see the wedding through (and force Rad write a bunch of jarble).
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>>3494490
No point begging them for troops for FC plan. Needlessly complicates things. If they have any peasants that would move up with us (skilled ones I mean - craftsmen or reading-capable individuals). Otherwise just tell them to prep (though our bro has that info already) and lets get to raiding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkt4tR-LTzs
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>>3494595
>No point begging them for troops for FC plan. Needlessly complicates things.
Fair enough, I'd just like to have as many assets on our side as possible. Especially because we could use them to take control of ships we defeat in combat to sell later or to strengthen our fleet. Although we'd need sailors for that too, given the reliance on galleys for combat and the use of slaves in them historically, we might honestly find most of our crew needs taken care of to some degree.

>If they have any peasants that would move up with us (skilled ones I mean - craftsmen or reading-capable individuals).
Honestly if they have anyone that isn't a leper, retard or a criminal of serious status, we could use them.
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>>3494595
I don't think anyone wants to come to the North if they have a choice unless they are paid a lot of money.

The South has plenty of good food, entertainment and the Lords are more or less kept in check by eachother.
The North is cold, food costs money and there's not a whole lot to do + Lords can do pretty much anything they want because nobody really checks on them.

From peasant perspective? Not a great deal, especially if they're a skilled worker since they could just find work anywhere.
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>>3495606
Considering how scarce land is in the south, the potential to get your own piece of land up north might be enough incentive. If land and gold cant entice, oh well.

>>3494629
We have been over this in the Discord but trying to capture ships is dumb since we dont have the men and would need to babysit a damaged vessel. However, us demanding money from the Free City so we dont sink them is far more practical. We can lug around many many ships worth of gold and loot after all. And its not like we even need/want galley type ships anyway. After FC we will place a big order on hulls to Manderly and get the best we can, instead of leaky, punctured lugs we need to retrofit and repair. and even then they are sub-par.

As to importing masses of people, better not. Integration is a key issue and us spamming 10% of the demense worth of Reachmen might not go so well with the locals.
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>>3495643
>As to importing masses of people, better not.
Nothing wrong with enriching the North.
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>>3493645
Changing my vote to this: >>3494033
Dont want to be known as the sperg lord of the north.
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>>3493649
Switching to >>3494033
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people! the target is not us! it's our brother!
and he wants to get drunk and bed some girls!
he is going for the Twin Peake bait! once he bed them. our family will be loyal to the lannisters and manderly won't build our big boat for FC plan! we have to divert his attention!
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>>3493637
changing my choice to
> [ Report to High command ]: Excuse yourself and go tattle to mommy while dragging Rickar along. Switch tables if needed.
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>>3495655
Assuming being a sperg doesnt win, back to reporting to mom.
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>>3494490
>>3494473
> [ Report to High command ]: Excuse yourself and go tattle to mommy
then do this.
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>>3495750
You are too late I'm afraid.
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>>3495769
we can still cockblock in the next update.
get him some quality lysheni pussy.
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>>3495776
Can you?
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Give me 3d6 to not get seduced
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>>3495786
Shit
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Rolled 3, 5, 3 = 11 (3d6)

>>3495786
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Rolled 6, 2, 4 = 12 (3d6)

>>3495786
THOT BEGONE
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>DC: 3
Curses! Foiled again!
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As they ladies began eating, you felt a massive bulge in your groin expanding and demanding to burst free.

When the two girls began to play footsie with you and your brother.
"Is it time aniki?"
"Yes, otouto"
You responded and the two of you stood up in unison.
With a synchronized pelvic thrust, the both of you unleashed your meat sceptres upon this realm, air filling with the musky scent of bondaged masculinity breaking the chains of societal norms as the two weapons of mass seduction flopped in the air.

Like the hammer of the gods, by sheer force of gravity the torpedoes crashed to the table, sundering it to thousands if pieces and sending splinters flying in the air in a show of dominance.

Terrified and aroused by this display of animalistic eroticism, the crowd was gripped by mass hysteria which manifested in the form of a panicked groveling, every man, woman and animal presenting themselves to you and your brother in a show of submission.

Wives were defiled, daughters deflowered and menfolk emasculated and turned into a servile caste to pay for all the illegitimate children left in the wake of your unstoppable conquest.

Many tried to stop you, but they were no match for your musk, girth and animal magnetism.
Once world fell kneeling under your might, you split the world in twain, one side for both brothers.

However men of such passion could not live in peace for long, and so began the grease wars, an erogenous battle the likes of which the world had never seen.

However, that is a saga for another time.
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>>3495806
the bards will sing songs about this one
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Ok enough messing around

>No-Deal Brexit
>>3495752
>>3493645
>>3493720
>>3494464
>>3495762

>Remain
>>3495664
>>3494473
>>3494045
>>3494073
>>3494080
>>3494544
>>3495655


>Theresa May
>>3493669
>>3493720
>>3493727
>>3493788

>Greek the Economy
>>3493693

>North Korean peace talks
>>3494023
>>3494376
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> [ Report to High command ]: Excuse yourself and go tattle to mommy while dragging Rickar along.
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>>3495821
North Korean peace talks
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>Just enjoy some polite small talk

"So, friends of Ashfords I take it?"
You say as you dig in to the appetizers
"Tarlys actually, well, Melessa Florent, Lord Tarly's wife to be specific. We're good friends she and I."
"I see, how did the two of you meet?"
"Oh, we met couple of years back during a Fair held in Highgarden. We were right next to each other during a play and sort of hit it off. We both had the same hobbies and liked the same things."
She replies, positively beaming that you asked
"Also, her son Sam, oh he is an absolute delight and cute as a button. The way he waddles around to bring us flowers when we are gardening, you just want to pinch his wittle cheeks."
Her bastard sister elbows her as she's about to continue
"Ah, I'm sorry, this must be awfully boring to you."
"Small talk is part and parcel of banquets, pay no mind to me."
Her sister Elin speaks out
"If you let her talk about small children, that's all that would ever be talked about. Why not tell us about your travels in the east?"
You shrug
"Well, where to begin?
I can tell you that Myr, Lys, and Tyrosh all have very much of the Old Valyria left in them still. They possess many ancient ruins where the Sorceries of old still linger and places where deeds both great and terrible were conducted.

As these three cities are Republics, inheritance is not guaranteed by blood, instead being ruled by conclaves of magisters elected from the wealthiest and most influential people in the cities, competition over prestige and popularity is fierce, leading to many great works of architecture and public spectacles in order to increase one's own appeal and the results of it are plain to see.
I was told the families which sponsored the greatest works, have retained same positions for hundreds of years."
"Is it true that everyone in Tyrosh has three slaves? I heard that being said once."
Lady Elin asks
"Well, the slaves obviously don't have slaves of their own, but on first hand experience? Yes, most Free Citizens in Tyrosh seemed to have a slave or two in their service. Either that or they themselves were on the brink of becoming slaves."
"It is good we are more civilized here. No Westerosi needs to fear becoming a slave."
Your brother says
"Well, I'll drink to that."

The Rest of the banquet went on with nothing of import actually being said or done. There was no attempts of seduction towards you or your brother, just friendly small-talk and chats largely about wines, harvest, some questions about what your links mean, but that was about it.

After the formal meal, the entertainment finally began rolling out, contests of strength, speed and skill were had as well as a small tourney with a dozen or so tourney whores partaking. There was 100 gold dragons for whomever won the tourney, 50 for second place and 25 for third place.
Naturally there was also the ransoming of equipment which went on as tradition.
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>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y/N
IF skip = False; THEN

>Invite the girls to come hang with your family as you go to check out the contests
>Y/N
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>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
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>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y

Better that we avoid further opportunities to ruin our sister's wedding by being a total sperg.
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>>3495875
>>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>>Y
We are not thaaaat social of a guy anyways and there is little to gain for us here
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>>3495875
Skip. Time to blow some shit up.
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>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
>Invite the girls to come hang with your family as you go to check out the contests
>N
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>>3495875
>>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>>Y

>Invite the girls to come hang with your family as you go to check out the contests
>N
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>>3495872
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
But give us a few notes on what went down, etc etc.
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>>3495643
>We have been over this in the Discord
Cancer of the highest order but continue.

>trying to capture ships is dumb since we dont have the men and would need to babysit a damaged vessel.
Fair enough.

>As to importing masses of people, better not.
Fair, though I'd argue we'll need them the moment any serious industry starts coming up.

>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
N

>Invite the girls to come hang with your family as you go to check out the contests
N
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>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
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>>3495875
>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
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>>3495875

1. Y

2. N
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>>3495976
We *will* need men, but I dont see why it couldnt be a more organic process where we can control the individuals moving in vs taking a bunch at once, stretching our surveillance thin. This includes not taking a massive bunch of northerners. Much rather take small bunches of skilled workers who we can more easily control.
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>>3496483
>We *will* need men, but I dont see why it couldnt be a more organic process where we can control the individuals moving in vs taking a bunch at once, stretching our surveillance thin.
I don't believe we have any form of surveillance beyond that which existed before our arrival in the form of the local constables and such, who would most certainly increase as the population grows if needed.

>Much rather take small bunches of skilled workers who we can more easily control.
I suppose, to be honest I doubt our lands or those around them will support rampant industrialisation unless we make efforts to draw any useful men and woman to work but I could be wrong.
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We should have Crazy Ivan'd.
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>>3495875
>>Would you like to skip through the rest of the wedding?
>Y
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Sorry for typos and stuff, I rarely check my own writing.
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Updates today unlikely as I am off to visit my family.
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> Skippy

[ 1/2 ]

The Wedding proceeded forward with no particular drama.
After the formal banquet, you and your family watched as low and highborn alike partook in various contests from peasants pigwrangling to contests of martial skill.

Ser Grandon was initially not very impressed by the accuracy, but when he actually did hit the target shield and it punched through not only the shield, but also the shed it was leaning on he quickly changed his opinion. After that, he made the comparison of them being "...akin to a knight's lance that fits to a man's pocket."
He did have some concerns however about using them in battle.
"Won't the sound frighten the horses?"
"Most horses, yes. But that's a feature and not a flaw in design."

Once the contests were over, the peasants still continued their little faire and enjoyed their day off whilst the highborn guests moved on to the local Sept where the couple was officially wed in a traditional ceremony whilst a choir of young boys sang praises to the gods in that particular style where you couldn't really tell what the lyrics were unless you actually had read them.
Despite her earlier complaints, your sister did say "I do" in the end.

The Religious ceremony was then followed by the most informal part of the celebration, a feast where everyone would get sloshed and be merry. There were several women trying to flirt and dance with you. Naturally as this wasn't your natural habitat, you didn't exactly know how to go with the flow. You did dance when peer pressure demanded it, but it didn't really lead to a tumble in behind a corner. Mostly because you didn't have any intention of getting shitfaced and you weren't too enthused with the idea of getting it on with giggling women in their cups.

After the food and drinks, the dancing and messing around the time finally came to the bedding where all the menfolk told dirty jokes to the bride and womenfolk to the groom. When it came to your turn to tell a joke, you went with the classic "How do you find a blind man in a nude beach." joke, which earned you some drunken chortles.
Drunk people at the very least are easy to entertain.

Once the couple was tossed to the bed, they were left alone in their room. Either this would result in a drunken shag, the cornerstone of every successful marriage or they would awkwardly go to sleep ashamed of their own sexuality, which would eventually culminate into deep seated emotional instability.

Whichever it was, your sister would need to get used to the prospect of being a knight's wife and living with her new in-laws.
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It is the third month of 293 AC in Port Maw

After months of extensive modifications to the original design, assembly and installation, the Hammer of the Waters was now completely operational and ready set sail.

The Vessel was armed in excess to face any form of naval threat with 12 and 24 pounder guns in two rows of 18 on its sides with 4 guns on aft and prow, it's hold containing nearly a hundred tons of ammunition in forms of various forms ball, powder and bomb.
Explosive shells with timed fuses, Solid ball, Chain shot, Grapeshot, the whole works.

Within it's belly were oscillating cylinders stretching for much the length of the ship, generating such force that the contraption was both feared and respected by the crew, but mostly the latter. Mill accidents weren't unheard of, but if you got yourself caught in the machine, it wouldn't stop nor slow down. You would be pulled along for the ride and if you survived, you could count yourself lucky.
The Men who had the balls to work in the belly of the ship and feed and tend to the Steel beast you wrought earned great deal of respect from the rest of the crew. Even with makeshift fans, it wasn't a nice place to work in.

Nevertheless, not one could not question the usefulness of being able to sail against the winds at what counted as ramming speed for the common War Galleys. Even by Westerosi standards, the ship was a behemoth, but it was a behemoth which had the speed of a longship with seasoned oarsmen and with more than enough firepower to tear down the walls of any but the greatest fortifications. Your crew was fully aware of the fact that they were aboard the greatest, most advanced and most powerful ship ever built as they each had time to train for the role they had to play.

Few years ago they were but impressionable youths with bright eyes, but after a three year long campaign of malicious propaganda to galvanize them to be full piss and vinegar and to hate and distrust the foreigners with a passion, you finally have the crew within a suitable mindset for the operation you are about to undertake.
You might be a southerner, and an outsider, but you are still Westerosi and frequent reminders on whenever a foreign ship conduct piracy or slave raids helped to foster a very deep distrust towards the outsiders.
You didn't even need to lie. Westeros is after all a very big place and with mountains of port reports on known foreign vessels and captains which are wanted for kidnapping your countrymen, you could keep a steady bombardment of news to paint a damning picture.
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This work was not however without cost.
You have achieved much, far more than you had initially expected with your limited industrial capabilities, but your coffers are completely empty. There is not a single copper in your treasury, a fact your Maesters were none too happy about, especially since you still owe 10 000 Gold Dragons to the Starks and you haven't made any payments so far as your industry has consumed it all.

Of course, if this plan works, you think you won't need any more money for the foreseeable future.
It is time to contact your accomplices for this mission. After all, you want guns pointed at your foes at all times, so someone needs to do the pickup.

> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
> The Qarthese Merchant you worked with before. So long as he doesn't need to fight, he is glad to do the job.
> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
> Write-in
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>>3499788
Jorah and merchant, sistermen are shifty folks.
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>>3499788
> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
I hope he doesn't dare backstab us when he has stuff on the line.
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>>3499788
> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
> The Qarthese Merchant you worked with before. So long as he doesn't need to fight, he is glad to do the job.
> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.

I think we're going to need a damn large amount of men and other aid to make this plan work. Especially if we plan on doing the Full FC plan: raiding every city except the Bravosii will require a lot of resources, although we will have to drop Qarth if we get the merchant to help us...
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Also we aren't going to perform our House rolls for the period we just spent waiting on this ship finishing? I mean we're talking more than 20 rolls, that could easily resolve our money issues or provide us with additional troops or something...
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>>3499788
>> The Qarthese Merchant you worked with before. So long as he doesn't need to fight, he is glad to do the job.
>> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighboring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
I see no need to intercede on Jorah's life.
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>>3499788
>> The Qarthese Merchant you worked with before. So long as he doesn't need to fight, he is glad to do the job.
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You just need a single person because each of these can bring in the cargo ships and men you need by themselves.
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>>3499788
> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
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>>3499788
>> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
There is at least no where for him to run with the money.
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>>3500089
So what you are saying is there is little benefit to additional people? Even when the FC plan potentially involves performing this trick multiple times across Essos? Ok, guess I'd go with:

> The Qarthese Merchant you worked with before. So long as he doesn't need to fight, he is glad to do the job.

Since he's not involved in Westerosi politics, minimising just how much we're about to fuck the future. Also because it'd be nice to maintain our non-westeros connections as much as possible. Seriously if we help Jorah, he won't be forced out of Westeros and Triston has his own effects in the future specifically related to his lack of money.


Also could you please answer the point I raised >>3499994, I understand if you don't want to do it because you think it'd be boring or you've already accounted for it but I'd still like a definite answer.

On a separate but related point, I thought we were going to have the option to add various features to the ship rather than just skipping to it's completion but I might have forgotten a vote or something.
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>>3499860
Jorah
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>>3500118
QM already rolled and added the gains. The thing is just retarded expensive and we also bought a lot of holding stuff.

Plus, we cant do the whole of Essos, and why would we? Not like we will need more cash after the first city raid and not like we can do more than a couple cities unless you have some secret store of powder and munitions.
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>>3500135
Jorah because he is a great ally and vulnerable right now, plus basically honorable man. Sistermen? Not so much and Qarth is a world away.
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>>3500157
Yeah sorry, I just doubled checked the feudal holdings and I see all the new shit now. Last time I checked it hadn't been updated so I failed to see us getting all that good shit.

I retract my previous statement but stand by them, this is something that should've at least been remarked on occurring outside the purview of the threads.


>Plus, we cant do the whole of Essos, and why would we? Not like we will need more cash after the first city raid and not like we can do more than a couple cities unless you have some secret store of powder and munitions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc

Seriously though, there is no amount of money which is truly beyond us being able to spend. Even if we consider there being a functional limit in terms of what we can construct, holdings and defences, we've still got ships, soldiers and guns to consider. Not to mention purchasing the land and population to support such constructions.


As to the powder, I'd point out that after we've destroyed the fleet of two cities without anyone being able to oppose us it is unlikely the third will try anything or the fourth, fifth or six. So long as our demands are reasonable (compared to losing their fleet / crews) we will be able to strike.

After all we're the only ones who know how much powder our ship carries, how much our guns use and how to make it. For all they know all we need is sea water and pig shit to make more assuming our stocks are running low.
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>>3500118
Initially I was going to do that, but actually setting up your infrastructure on a level which allowed this to be possible burned through all your money.

You can check from Fiefdom stats all the stuff you have gotten and it burned through majority of your gold just to get arms industry on your lands and that pretty much bankrupted you.

The Maesters spent most of their efforts besides building to actually get your law to such a level that it's neutral.
This is partially because your lands DO rely on certain degree of secrecy for their bread and butter and spying is more difficult in lands with high Law.

Overall your region is one of the places with the better public order in the North. Your peasants respect your rule more than Bolton peasants respect Roose.
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>>3500194
The issue is we cant dump too much cash without crashing the local economy and gold value, too many people or risk compromise of security and cohesion and not too many resources without a massive price increase and logistical nightmares. A single city is enough loot to maintain our great growth for the forseeable future. We had 11k for 3 years, we will probably walk away with 50k per city and sailors so stinking rich they become knights unto themselves, nevermind the officers.
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>>3499788
> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
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>>3500211
Yeah, like I said here >>3500194, I didn't check the feudal holdings pastebin until just then, having last checked more than 2 days ago back when the thread opened. Thus I hadn't noticed these new constructions.

In future, it'd be nice if you'd just give a quick mention in-thread of this. Something like "These new constructions have been started in your land, they'll finish in X construction time, they cost X, they'll have this effect" that way those who are following through the archive or like me don't use Discord can maintain a fuller understanding of what is occurring and provide plans more effectively.


Additional points, I noticed we get a 10% discount to lock-firing mechanisms but I have to ask if that affects the price of units like musketmen and outriders given they are purchased using Power and more importantly, we can't deal in 0.X units of power?

Secondly, would it be too much to ask that our ship had a ram on the front? I mean as you already stated, it's a fast as hell ship but more than that I just like ramming shit even if it ain't all that useful...got to be a proper Imperial captain and all that.



>>3500225
That assumes we take our tribute purely in gold: silk; jewels; spices; glass-work; wine; silver; finely made jewellery; furs. There are such multitudes of materials to gather from the free cities, we need not concern ourselves with just gold. Plus the possibility of taking treasures such as rare manuscripts on magic or other exotic items of little resale worth but great potential personal value.

Not to mention, no one said we had to sell our plunder entirely in the north. Ideally we'd take it to King's landing or somewhere similar: the higher population density will ensure quicker and better sales not to mention it'll show off our wealth to more people. We could even do a tour of the seven kingdoms showing off the various luxuries we got and selling them.
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>>3499788
>> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
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>>3499788

> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
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>>3500267
Changing vote to
> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid before he got involved with the slave trade with promises of Gold and untold Glory
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>>3500250
However we take the loot, we cant expend too much of it or prices rise like crazy, no matter the medium of trade.

Also, ram bad. Our whole schtick is ranged combat and staying out of arrow/ballista range while firing cannons and muskets.
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>>3500298
>However we take the loot, we cant expend too much of it or prices rise like crazy, no matter the medium of trade.
I suppose but I think you are underestimating just how much we can spend. We can hire troops, buy land, start construction on new holdings, industries, ships, fortifications, prototype new technologies, host a celebration of freeing so many slaves (and getting filthy rich), send money to our brother and family in general.

Plus if we do start to reach the point prices are rising, we just stop buying and wait for the market to settle.

>Also, ram bad.
I know but I really want to shout "Ramming speed!" and to be honest, we move "as fast as a galley at ramming speed against the wind". Why wouldn't we want to make use of our massive weight and speed to crush the occasional ship out of the way? Plus, it goes with the Commissar aesthetic.
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>>3500339
QM has confirmed he wont let us game the system with dumping gold. And an explosive cannonball does more damage with far less risk.

When we get steel hulls we will see about ramming, but moreso at 10' naval guns.
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>>3500356
I wouldn't expect him to either but I am serious when I say that there are many ways to spend a ludicrous amount of wealth productively, I'd be amazed if we genuinely struggled to run through whatever insane amount of money we earn by the time the Night Walkers are becoming an issue.


I'm telling you anon, it's better to have a ram and not need it than to need a ram and not have it. The same applies to livestock.
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>>3500368
We cant dump too much cash in our own lands or risk it going fubar with low law and corruption, plus immigrants who cannot be controlled. We can gather a large hoard, sure, but we can only spend so much until the payoff gets ever more shit. Now, using the gold elsewhere? Sure. I imagine we can buy a few people and things, but I doubt even that would be worth its usefulness past the first couple cities. There is a reason Tywin is sitting on gold, not spending it.

And no rams. Its like the bulbous prows everybody wants to stick on ships nowadays. They think it helps while in fact its utter shit aside some very specific large-scale straight-sailing shipping routes. Also keep in mind a ram is likely to get stuck in a ship, not cleave it in half. Great if you plan boarding, not so much if your game is to stay at a distance.
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>>3499788
> You knew Jorah Mormont was low in cash, so you enlisted his aid.
Lets have the whole slaving thing left out of mainstream narrative.
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>>3499788
> Triston Sunderland, the Liege Lord of the Three Sisters, one of your neighbouring lords who is also in desperate need for coin.
switching after some consideration.
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>>3500383
>Sure. I imagine we can buy a few people and things, but I doubt even that would be worth its usefulness past the first couple cities.
Anon you need to think bigger, in terms of buying entirely libraries of books on magic, science, alchemy and so on. Not to mention hiring the best trainers that literally all the money can get us. Plus it'd be nice to get ourselves a top-quality warhorse maybe even enough to equip a small unit of elites just for prestige purposes even if we never use it.

This is before mentioning some of the other stuff we could get, I mean I know Valaryian steel blades don't come cheap but with the amount of money we're talking here I imagine we might be able to work something out with someone. How about some of the other personages we could hire or acquire, only 5-10 wealth in most cases but still a significant amount in total.

Then there's stuff like our various feats. Awhile back OP remarked the reason we don't get any great amount of prestige from them is because we've commissioned no art, no songs, no poems or ballads commemorating them. If we throw even a small amount of wealth into getting our deeds sung in every lordly hall and township's bars then our fame would certainly rise.

Not to mention, we could certainly put a significant amount of money into "charitable affairs": setting up a orphanage; establishing a school; giving alms; reducing our taxes. I'm serious when I say I can't imagine making it through any significant length of time without managing to run through the gold. Even if OP were to double the conversion rates between wealth and gold or something, we'd still be filthy rich.

Hell, we could even look into buying the Long night back, seeing as powder and cannon production is online meaning it's not a near-irreplaceable vessel and we're about to make it seem a mite shy of a serious warship. Yet it's value as a piece of our history makes re-buying it worthwhile in some ways.

>There is a reason Tywin is sitting on gold, not spending it.
I mean sure, not for long, but sure. Their gold mines run dry not too far into the future.

>Also keep in mind a ram is likely to get stuck in a ship, not cleave it in half. Great if you plan boarding, not so much if your game is to stay at a distance.
Fair enough.
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>>3500448
>their gold mines run dry
Alternatively Tywin just shut them because he knows the economy is FUCKED and doesn't want to devalue shit further.
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>>3500446
>I mean sure, not for long, but sure. Their gold mines run dry not too far into the future.
only in the show.
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>>3500448
See, all the things you mentioned can be done with 10-20k (aside the ship, but why would we even want it back when we can make a new one cheaper). We will be walking away with roughly 50k per city. This is a ridiculous amount of gold. Plus, it is not unfeasible to get some valyrian shit in the loot. We literally cannot spend that much money without major upheaval in our local area. Its just too much. Its like the US suddenly printing 800 million and spending it in Two Harbours, Minnesota in the span of 5 years. Its ridiculous, doesnt work.

And Tywins mines have run out long ago yet the only place he spent his cash in any meaningful amount was the Crown, and he is playing the long game. He has shitloads of gold in the Rock, he just doesnt use it because if he did, it would tank the value of gold something bad. Likewise with us.
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>>3500465
We have a big fuckoff ship that is faster than pretty much anything.
We can spend our gold in other ports like Braavos, Pentos, Gulltown, Kingslanding, Dragonstone, Oldtown, etc.
Even then depending on how hard we jew the free cities on ransom, we are looking at anything between 5k to 20k wealth (hopefully not all of it in gold)

100 Gold = 1 Wealth as a reminder.
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>>3500504
Looking at around 100k per city, to be divided among the participants, us getting roughly 45k per city. Do two cities, 90k in the bank (plus a further 90k in the hands of our people). I dont know what the hell we are supposed to buy overseas but I can assure you we wont spend nearly enough to justify doing more cities.

And 1 Wealth = 200G in the original. As I understand, we are now on 20G =1 Wealth basis since the game system is dumb.
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>>3500452
Honestly I tried to find the precise date their gold mines ran dry but that is a god damn hassle to pin down because no one cares about god damn dates seemingly.

However >>3500465 says their's have ran dry already and they're just working off of reserves of gold. Something which I had not considered.


>>3500465
See, all the things you mentioned can be done with 10-20k
Not really, for example in regards to lifestyle holdings: Court, 5 wealth; Festivals, 2-10 wealth; trophy hall, 5; Standard of living, -5 to 15; townhouse, 2-4; total, 9-39 wealth. Personage wealth holdings: Master artist, 5; Saboteurs, 5; spy network, 10; Street Gangs, 5; total, 25 wealth. Complete total: 34-66 wealth or 6800-13,200 GD.

That is all before I account for the possibility of converting wealth to power, the various upgrades for the listed holdings (which easily amount to the same amount of wealth again, if not much more) or anything else. If we include those I could probably quadruple the amount of money without even discussing military units, books and so on.

>>3500521
>I dont know what the hell we are supposed to buy overseas but I can assure you we wont spend nearly enough to justify doing more cities.
Texts any alchemy, magic and the mysteries of the world for one thing. I mean some of those sorts of books can go for insane prices given their rarity but having any understanding of the higher mysteries will be extremely useful in future.

>And 1 Wealth = 200G in the original. As I understand, we are now on 20G =1 Wealth basis since the game system is dumb.
Wait shit seriously? Okay now I get why you were all scream that we'd never run through 50K of gold, I was working off it being a 200-1 conversion. Has OP altered the prices of things too or just this? I want to know if I can rely on my PDF for making recommendations or not...
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>>3500623
We dont have the people to do much Power business with though I agree some fortifications would be nice. However, we still wouldnt be able to spend enough dough without crashing the economy. QM has confirmed that if we try dumping the 100k we will have a bad time.

And I am not exactly sure how the loot business will be handled or if he will rethink the gold deal but that was what he proposed to unfuck the economy. Since otherwise a single gold coin can buy you a cities worth of bread loaves. Its crazy.
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>>3500623
We are still in 200g = 1 W, I might change it on respawn, but not before then.
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>>3500664
My mistake.
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>>3500660
My solution to this is that currency value fluctuates and that Westeros operates in triple currency system.

210 silver isn't always 1 Gold

Gold is based in prices of Blood Gold, Political bailouts and tax value
Silver is based in finished good prices
Copper is based in food prices

Their relations amongst eachother fluctuate, but Copper and Silver are main currencies used if you want either food or something built.
210 silver stags represents the value of Gold to the state, not to the peasants.

Still, anyone who needs to pay taxes can still buy 1 gold for 200 silver and make 10 silver profit so it is seen as solid investment.
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Those upgrades I was talking about were: Beautiful People, 5; Movers & Shakers, 5; Martial Festivals, 5; Entourage, 1-3; Curator, 5; Grand Room, 5; Magnum Opus, 2+ wealth, repeatable (cost increases by 1 each time); Trail Judge, 5; Expert Saboteur, 5; Plausible Deniability, 5; School, 5; Expanded Network, 5; Expert Spies, 5; Plausible Deniability, 5; Seneschal, 5 ; Skilled Overseer, 5; Eyes Everywhere, 5; Thugs at the Ready, 5; total, 83-85.

There was even one option I missed: Engineer, 15 wealth; Siege Engineer upgrade, 5; Engineer Commander, 5 wealth for a warfare 4 commander and a cost reduction on engineer units of 1. Total 25. All together: 108-110. Technically, I suppose you could take this option multiple times to create a group of engineer commanders if you lacked nobles / alternate leaders which might be a good idea for us.


Adding on the previous figure of 34-66 gives us a total value of: 142-176 wealth or 28,400-35,200 wealth. More if we decide to commission additional artworks but this is the reasonable limit of what we can do without expensive conversions to other resources or upgrading / creating holdings.


>>3500660
>We dont have the people to do much Power business
You'd be surprised. Plus that's all the more reason to focus on expensive units like artillery and cavalry.

>I agree some fortifications would be nice.
Agreed. They'll provide us with the ability to support additional units without cost but honestly a large portion of our money will probably go into expanding our castle into a more appropriate design for our tech as well as adding creature comforts / niceties.

>However, we still wouldnt be able to spend enough dough without crashing the economy. QM has confirmed that if we try dumping the 100k we will have a bad time.
Fair enough, I'm mostly of the opinion though that if we keep the money out of the open market like most of my advised upgrades would do (since they'll mostly be about bringing in new rich bastards (which might be related to the amount of cash we're throwing down on the first day) rather than engaging in massive construction or recruitment efforts).
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>>3500739
I would be uncomfortable dumping 30k in the land. Plus, our sailors/officers also have a combined 45k per city, so they will also create inflation. On the plus side, we will be exchanging money in KL so it should easy the problem a bit.

As to units, we really do lack the Pop to do too much unless we are comfortable accepting lots of immigrants (not really, spies etc.). A few more units is a given, I want some Shock Troops in plate mail and some engineers, but even that is but a drop in the coffers. This is a truly ridiculous amount of coin.
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>>3500772
>I would be uncomfortable dumping 30k in the land.
I get what you mean but look at what I'm wanting to do: 90% of my advised upgrades are just hiring people from the outside world at market cost, all we're doing is a lot of hiring all at once. In theory it shouldn't be as disruptive as if we started building 30 new holdings or bought as much land as we wanted. In theory.

I mean, if we perform even a few minor conversions I could easily get another 6000 gold outta the way at least but they'd mostly be shit like building a greenhouse or installing a crypt.

>Plus, our sailors/officers also have a combined 45k per city, so they will also create inflation.
Truly, I feel sorry for the whores of King's landing, they shall know no rest for weeks and the city will run dry of all alcohol with our men pickling themselves.

>As to units, we really do lack the Pop to do too much unless we are comfortable accepting lots of immigrants
I suppose but I mean, if we can manage to raise even 700 men, we're a fairly powerful lord. If we can get to 1600, we're a major banner.
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>>3500797
We have like 1200 or so people in our lands. Considering we also want industry its going to be a tight fit. And the hired dudes will still want a house and will still have expenses. Sure, may not spend all at once but still.

We will just have to see what QM says.
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>>3500816
>And the hired dudes will still want a house and will still have expenses.
That's what the fortifications are for: we build some nice big Martello towers; artillery position; housing for troops; border guarding; anti-piracy measures. You name it they'll do it and with an internal water supply and food stores, they can survive a siege.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martello_tower

Imagine if we built a few of these, each housing maybe three to four dozen men. They're great for defending, fairly cheap (and quick) to build. Only real problem is their limited firepower but that can be resolved by placing multiple close together or using multiple guns on each.
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I think it would be more practical to use our new found wealth to try to make a poltical play in a free city.

Marry someone's daughter and throw our support in getting them placed in charge.
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>>3500874
Id like to point out that no school teacher or social butterfly will want to live in a squat artillery tower full of gruff soldiers. More than likely they move to the town and set up shop there, as our gunsmiths have.

>>3500939
Why? I mean what do we have to gain? We split our loyalties and get a foot into a snakes nest of a political scene, the very same thing we moved to the north to avoid. And its not like we will lack coin after FC plan anyway.

Id rather we marry one of Manderlys granddaughters (no male heirs btw) and secure an alliance with THE city in the north. Can you imagine the resources and the sales we will make if we dont have to pay taxes to the merman? Great profit.
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>>3501030
Nor would I expect them to. Seeing as I'd expect them to stay in our castle, you know, that thing we have, rather than the a series of fortified military positions specifically built to secure our lands and house our soldiers.

Also, I don't really care where the hell they stay so long as they are in our lands giving us their benefits and aren't an active hindrance.
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>>3501038
The whole point was that they will want a place to live and thus keep spending the coin.

As to fortifications, if we split the loot 50/50 with our men, we will have a bunch of officers with enough gold to buy some land, meaning we can facilitate their land purchases to form a perimeter of landed knights around our demense, thus upping both security and prosperity. What those officers want to live in is irrelevant, though I suppose we could have them incorporate an artillery tower and a guard complement.
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>>3501062
Now *that* is expensive.
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>>3501052
>The whole point was that they will want a place to live and thus keep spending the coin.
Yeah but nowhere near as fast as we would through any other possible expenditure. Which is of course assuming they don't choose to stay at our castle.

Also I checked and for all of that wealth I advised spending, do you know how many more people it would actually bring to the area? 1 Engineer, 1 curator, 1 master artist, an entourage and a court: in total no more than about 20 people of which almost all would stay with us at all times.

Most of the expenditure is in spies and saboteurs, who don't stay in our lands and are instead spread throughout Westeros / beyond.

>As to fortifications, if we split the loot 50/50 with our men, we will have a bunch of officers with enough gold to buy some land, meaning we can facilitate their land purchases to form a perimeter of landed knights around our demense, thus upping both security and prosperity.
I honestly have little issue with the idea of creating minor nobles in the outer edges of our land, each commanding a up-scaled version of a Martello tower with an outer wall or something. It was actually something I considered but my logic was we'd create the towers and assign lands to them then auction off the right to these noble positions: create a bidding war, regain even more cash and find those that most desperately want the role.

>What those officers want to live in is irrelevant, though I suppose we could have them incorporate an artillery tower and a guard complement.
I mean if they're going to be knights it is their job to have guards but yeah basically. I mean I'd argue the position I'd want to make is more equivalent to the Chinese commandery system: they act as administrators, leaders, law enforcement, etc but their men are loyal to us and their lands are still ours.
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>>3501089
All the engineers and painters inevitably either come with their own servants or hire them locally, as well as any supplies they need. Its not that simple and unless they plan on getting into banking, they will spend the money.

And I doubt we could get away with assigning temporary land in a feudal setting when our men already have enough cash to get land elsewhere (especially with their prestige). Better help them buy land and help them build a tower from which to govern their plot of land. We can both influence the tower design as well as use their cash for defense and infrastructure since they are ultimately our vassals.
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>>3501113
>All the engineers and painters inevitably either come with their own servants or hire them locally, as well as any supplies they need.
I doubt it'll cause that much of a stir if they hire a dozen servants between them or bring such a number with them.

>Its not that simple and unless they plan on getting into banking, they will spend the money.
Yes but at nowhere near as appreciable a rate as a massive building project. Given they'll probably have a family or plan on starting one meaning they won't blow their massive monetary load in one year.

I feel this is one area we just can't find a middle ground on. Let's just agree to spend as much of our cash as constructively as possible without causing a massive economic collapse?

>And I doubt we could get away with assigning temporary land in a feudal setting when our men already have enough cash to get land elsewhere (especially with their prestige).
Okay true, to be honest the temporary thing was mostly because I was copying the Chinese system.

>Better help them buy land and help them build a tower from which to govern their plot of land. We can both influence the tower design as well as use their cash for defense and infrastructure since they are ultimately our vassals.
True.
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>>3501132
Sounds fair.
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Also on a separate point, seeing as we've got proper firearm facilities set up and all, how many pistols do you think we should carry going into combat?

I mean, they're a near-instant kill weapon in our hands for many things and we can freely draw one of them thanks to our abilities...
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>>3501329
Seven. Six in a vest, three on each side, and one in a holster, plus a sword.
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>>3501441
I mean if we want to really go extreme we could have 1 one each leg and six on the chest while using our double-barreled outrider model. That'd give us 14 shots before we need to reload and 2 shots per gun.
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>>3501449
Seven shots is a nice number and fits well with what we are about to do.

Also a video on our targets and a reminder that they are never to be trusted.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=T2xf1tK4hz8
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>>3501464
One of the alterations I was going to suggest for our ship was a door lock on our cabin and bars over the windows just to prevent assassination attempts.

That and Diagonal bracing, a ship building method which would've enabled us to build our ship cheaper, bigger or stronger.
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>>3501030
I think the biggest gain will just be pure people.
Because even if they can't make trade secrets we will still need large sums of plan and simple manpower.

And given that King's Landing is the largest city in Westeros and still smaller than some towns in Essos we could get just a shit ton of workers crazy easy.

So if we need to do major building works then we could get unskilled labor by the literal boatload, or they could produce simple components to more complex goods.
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>>3501507
To be honest anon, if we're constructing as many factories and other projects as we are projected to, then it's quite likely we'll drain the north of free-labour only under the most successful circumstances. Assuming we stop expanding before we crash the economy, if we crash the economy.

>And given that King's Landing is the largest city in Westeros and still smaller than some towns in Essos we could get just a shit ton of workers crazy easy.
That has more so to do with Essos being a series of city states in direct competition (centralising their population for security) than a continent spanning empire (population is spread out to maximise economic benefit). I can promise you, there is almost certainly a higher population throughout the whole of Westeros than the near-Essosian city states (who are the only ones we're realistically going to influence) given their constant skirmishes. Especially if we succeed in our mission: we'll drain away much of their slave populations.
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Perhaps we could try and make a bond type situation, where we heavily reccomend our soldiers put their money into, with we can use fractional reserve banking to leverage that money into greater investments, rather than letting them burn it all on hoes.
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>>3502144
I doubt it. Not only because even storing away 90% of their money, they'll still massive dump into the economy but because I want to adopt something we brits came up with a long time ago.

What if we made the purchase system a thing for our army? It'd provide a source of income or at least a reduction in cost every time a unit is raised, as men would compete to earn the right to command men and to earn their wage. Don't get me wrong I doubt it'd help solve this issue but it would minimise the damage a little with serious long term benefits.


Again though, this is why it is important we make a stop off elsewhere before heading to the north, we dump any gold bricks or such there and only return home with pure money (which technically has a fiat value, as little as that might matter) or luxuries which we can't realistically crash the price of. Even then, I'd advise stopping off in at least one or two extra cities along the way to cushion the blow of our soldier's enjoying themselves.
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>>3501507
The thing is, we cant just spam people without our social cohesion and Law going down the shitter. We can handle 10% of our population in immigrants (~120) but going 50%? More? Surefire way to shoot us in the foot. Also why the landed knight perimeter should help - they distribute that manpower more and make it easier to handle.

>>3502144
Had the same idea but we lack both the time and skill to set up a proper monetary system. Plus, on our scale and in a medieval setting, it wont matter much even if we did.

>>3502226
The thing is that inflation will happen no mater the currency. As long as it is convertable it will cause immideate inflation. As to boozing our sailors? Meh. They will have their fun in KL but then we fuck off back home. Let them build houses, shops and invest in the land. And if the local price of booze rises some? Meh.
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>>3502545
>The thing is that inflation will happen no mater the currency.
I mean inflation isn't honestly that bad of a thing if we manage the situation correctly. Also surely we're talking about deflation, given the whole point is the sudden influx of wealth in the form of a shit ton of gold devalues the coinage? Or are we playing by the assumption that because there is a sudden burst of market investment that the average cost of a service rises?


Also in regards to people, we can almost certainly get away with 15% civilians and another 15% military, as our HotW can support units like a castle meaning we can keep it permanently at sea (more or less) training our troops in naval operations, engaging pirates and trading which could easily keep a large number of men far away from our people. Not to mention the possibility of just establishing new towns or something: can't have social cohesion issues if they aren't in the same community.
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>>3502553
Any time the supply rises the price lowers. What is true for table legs is true for gold. When we spam gold the worth of that individual piece of gold falls. Same thing happened when the spanish looted middle-america and during the gold rush of the US.

And yeah, 15% I am comfortable with, but they should be spread out among the populace and not allowed to form own communities, even better if the immigrants are of a different background. Us taking skilled labour from the slave raid and some unskilled labour from the north should keep things more balanced.
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>>3502560
>Any time the supply rises the price lowers. Any time the supply rises the price lowers.
Honestly I think this'll work out far better than we all think it will. I already showed a way to spend 35000 Dragons without building / upgrading a single holding, fortification, military unit or using anything but money. Worst comes to worst and we need a way to make use of our massive piles of money without spending it? We don't sell any gunpowder, we just stockpile it and use our excessive wealth to cover the costs of running the place without sale.

>And yeah, 15% I am comfortable with, but they should be spread out among the populace and not allowed to form own communities, even better if the immigrants are of a different background.
Allowing the formation of separate townships could help minimise conflict but fair enough.

>Us taking skilled labour from the slave raid and some unskilled labour from the north should keep things more balanced.
True.
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>>3502586
Id rather draw your attention to the fact that powder also becomes worth more gold if the local value of gold falls. And I seriously doubt the 35k would just sit there instead of bleeding over into the populace. But whatever, we have had this discussion already.
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>>3502589
>Id rather draw your attention to the fact that powder also becomes worth more gold if the local value of gold falls.
Aye but seeing as we own the various industries constitute to production of powder, all I am talking about is not selling any of their product (ignoring that which we can't use ourselves) and slowly draining our cash reserves if issues start to arise.

If you believe that the market would react to the presence of this gold in storage and entirely inactive outside of perhaps the first month out of fear of what we plan on doing with it then you are foolish for supporting the FC plan because we will have that much gold at some point as to cause the effect you believe my plan would.

>And I seriously doubt the 35k would just sit there instead of bleeding over into the populace.
To be fair, 8000 of the wealth is invested in spy network and saboteurs plus all their upgrades. By the end of which they can't be traced back to us and have a damn good chance of success. Little if any of that would lie in our lands.

Not to mention we can burn 15 wealth just on "standard of living" which is literally just eating fancier food, wearing fancier clothes and generally being a rich-ass motherfucker. 15 wealth = 3000 Gold dragons, of which very little will filter to our local population. How about another 2000 on throwing cool ass festivals or another 1000 to make them martial festivals that make any peasant units we raise better.


On another point, in reviewing the pastebins I now notice two of these upgrades are already acquired, reducing the total amount of wealth by 2000 Gold Dragons. So overall that is 14000 spent on stuff from outside our lands (spies, saboteurs, rich ass lifestyle, festivals (entertainers, musicians, etc) + upgrades), a 2 K reduction in the total amount spent from the two already gotten upgrades. Which means we're only spending 19,000 wealth in our lands and that is before accounting that of that, 800 comes from a Townhouse of which multiple can be bought and anywhere in an allied settlement. I kinda wanted to grab one somewhere but I honestly can't remember where now so we can scratch that too bringing the total amount spent in our lands down to 18,200.

Of that 18,200 I can admit most if not all would have significant effect on our lands but I will say that the 200 is for making a Magnum Opus and most of that comes from hiring the Master artist to work on it for such a long time rather than an inherent material value.
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>>3502614
What? I mean I get we want to utilize our gold more, but why stockpile powder when we can sell it for more gold, thus reducing our overall expenses?

And while the news of 200k might be responsible for a slight increase in prices, I doubt the gold in our vault will create a massive bubble without being utilized.

Unless you plan on buying all the stuff from KL or Braavos, the money *will* bleed into the local economy. Keep in mind WH is basically a day away and we are close enough for it to affect us, especially since we rely on WH for the more expensive goods anyway. On the plus side, WH is basically what will reduce the gold amount in the area passively, but that will take time, hence why we shouldnt spend too fast.
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>>3502623
>What? I mean I get we want to utilize our gold more, but why stockpile powder when we can sell it for more gold, thus reducing our overall expenses?
Because I'm talking about in the situation where powder becomes worth more than gold, it is better to maintain and grow our stock of powder surely? To be honest were I well rested I'd give a snappy explanation, involving a video link or metaphor but it is 9:30 AM here and I have not slept.

>And while the news of 200k might be responsible for a slight increase in prices, I doubt the gold in our vault will create a massive bubble without being utilised.
Yep. Which is why what you said >>3502589 makes little sense to me: if we spend gold and see the rate it is accepted at change unfavourably, we can stop spending until the local economy recovers and spend the bare minimum of gold. Alternately we start offering payment for jobs in shit besides coin: again referring to why I want to diversify what we take from the Free Cities; it ensures we can rely on different ways of paying.

>Unless you plan on buying all the stuff from KL or Braavos, the money *will* bleed into the local economy.
I mean in the case of the festivals my understanding is we'd be hiring professionals, which given the lack of anything for them currently, must be travellers, this means they'd take whatever wealth we give them away with them once they go.

As for most of the rest of it, yeah if we're talking living the 15 wealth spending lifestyle that shit comes from far and wide by it's fundamental nature. "You and your House are the trendsetters and are at the height of fashion. Your parties are the places to be seen" is the description given.

I'm serious when I say that I can't see more than 18,200 or 20,000 to be generous to you and assume some extra bleed-over from other things I've not accounted for like the festival's staff buying supplies locally or something.
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>>3502647
The point is tat the inflation will be temporary and if we stockpile powder instead of selling it at the inflated prices it will fall back down to previous prices at some point, thus we dont gain the benefits of the higher price. So while everyone else uses the cheap gold prices to grab up as much gold as they can, we dont do it and instead only dump more gold. A loss.

A single gold coin is worth almost 12 000 loaves of bread. *This* is why the value of gold will go down the shitter if we start spending.
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>>3502560
You should remember that slaves who were taken from their homes against their will generally speaking be returning home to their families.
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>>3502659
Didnt mean force them. Most will go home but there are bound to be interested parties. Not necessarily former slaves either.
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>>3502657
You do realise that the only people currently using powder weapons to my knowledge are:

1) Us
2) Maybe a few northern lords
3) Our sister's husband
4) The king's fleet.
5) Those 40 matchlocks we gave to Baratheon

None of these are going to be effected by our local economic struggles or triumphs. At best the northern lords will have a minor increase in price.

>>3502659
How many guns have we sold in total? Am I missing anyone from the list?
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>>3502672
You do realize anyone can make a metal tube and the only reason we have an edge is powder? That shit will sell like hotcakes, especially after FC. Guns too since better quality, but powder will sell lickety split.
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>>3502682
>You do realize anyone can make a metal tube
Anon if that is your genuine understanding of the complexities of a flintlock musket then I must ask you to step back for a minute and do a bit of research.

>only reason we have an edge is powder
Yeah I suppose our only edge is being the only people in the world that can make the thing that makes guns work.

>That shit will sell like hotcakes, especially after FC.
Somewhat true but I'd point out that doesn't change the fact that 90% of all potential customers aren't affected by our economic effects.
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>>3502688
Anon, if you think only a flintlock can fire shot you need to step back and do some research

Without powder a musket is a fancy club.

If we sell openly, its the local price, if we auction, its even higher. After FC, the value of a cannon and some powder will be tremendous.
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>>3502672
There's fewer firearms in circulation than Valyrian steel blades at the moment.

You haven't really made any big transactions, so there's likely somewhere between 300-400 guns in circulation with majority of them in hands of Eddard Stark and Stannis.
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>>3502698
>Anon, if you think only a flintlock can fire shot you need to step back and do some research
Anon stop being retarded. You talked about anyone being able to make a metal tube, I presumed you meant muskets because thinking that a cannon is anywhere near as easy to produce as a musket would be stupid.

>Without powder a musket is a fancy club.
Yep.

>After FC, the value of a cannon and some powder will be tremendous.
Yep but that doesn't change the fact that in the scenario we were discussing earlier, we've saturated the market for gold so why are we bothering to start a bid for cannons and powder whenever what we get from it is basically not usable for a period.

Or are you retract your earlier position that we'd struggle to run through our wealth from the FC plan?
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Is our new ship filled with imperial iconography? Are we still dressed like a commissar, even at the wedding? What did we name this ship?
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>>3502761
No anon, at the wedding we slipped into our Terminator Armor for a more dignified look.
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>>3502701
Anon, stop being retarded. The cost of making a cannon is nothing compared to the effect it has in our situation.

And my whole point is that we cant spend too much without the currency tanking. And in the scenario where we do dump, we can get a higher open market price for them and thus recoup some of our losses to the aforementioned inflation. The peasants and the rest will still be fucked though.

Dude, go to sleep.
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>>3502761
Hammer of Waters.

In keeping with the theme.

Other appropriate names for future ships might be:
The Doom / The Doom of Valyria
Century of Blood
Field of Fire
Burning of Harrenhal
And any other great disasters or catastrophes of Westeros or Essos.
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>>3502769
"The Doom" should be reserved for our eventual airship.
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>>3502764
Glorious. If only terminator armor existed
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>>3502771
What about bucephalus? Since at that point I imagine our goal would be akin to world conquest
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>>3502775
Why world conquest? Not like we would be missing either coin or power. Plus why manage the realm when we can be the guy that controls the arms trade. Id rather have adventures in far-essos as a skycaptain with the occasional dickwaving of flight.
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Got my bike stolen so didn't have time to write an updated today cus I had to walk home. Sorry
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>>3502765
>And my whole point is that we cant spend too much without the currency tanking. And in the scenario where we do dump, we can get a higher open market price for them and thus recoup some of our losses to the aforementioned inflation. The peasants and the rest will still be fucked though.
And I think you are foolish to think that any lord big enough to really matter in terms of purchases is going to be affected by our local inflation and that even if they were that the relatively minor difference in profitability would make up for a fucked local economy.

>>3503150
A damn shame.
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>>3503150
Damn, thats some bad luck
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>>3503378
>>3503315
At least I feel culturally enriched
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It might also be a good idea to look into acquiring a vault for our insane wealth, same for our crew. I imagine none of them are so foolish as to think they'd not get their homes broken into if they left their money there. Instead they can leave it with us, secure in our castle for a tiny fee per month...


>>3503700
Do you have an alternate form of transport or will you be shit outta luck for awhile?
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>>3503725
Thought we are currently broke and in debt?
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>>3503768
I'm talking about once we've done the FC plan.
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>Lord Friendzone
>>3500285
>>3500279
>>3500247
>>3500135
>>3500107
>>3499860

>Howdy neighbor
>>3500446
>>3500110
>>3499862

>Greatest Ally
>>3500118
>>3500043
>>3499860

Votes tallied, will write once I've made a crime report to the police, informed the insurance company and bought a new bicycle.
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> Poach Jorah Mormont

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"To Ser Jorah Mormont, Lord of Bear Island, victor at the Tourney of Lannisport and others I am sure.

How would you like to write off all your debts and have money left over for a life of luxury and to once again enjoy the envy and respect of your fellow man?
All I require of you is the timely assistance of your house's ships for one simple pickup job for which I am at this current time making preparations for.

If you've the resolve to escape from a cursed destiny, it would be my honor to guide you through this time of strife and into a future that is golden and draped in glory.

Alternatively, you could proceed with your original plan to deal with the poor fortunes of your house, but we both know such unsavory deeds to be beneath men of our status.

Yours truly, Ser Arthur Tallon, Lord of Port Maw, Veteran of the Greyjoy Rebellion and a 21 link Initiate of the Order of Maesters"

PS: Why did the Eunuch club disband?
They lost all their members
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A single, well timed letter was enough to get him to show up in person. Though unnerved and extremely distrustful of you, there was hunger in his eyes and he ended up accepting the rather vague offer you gave him after explaining to him his part.

Far as he knew back then, this was a job involving the Free Cities.
You would go in and negotiate, once negotiations were complete, Ser Jorah Mormont would go in and handle the pickup and transportation of cargo along with checking it for traps and other surprises.
He was told his job was necessary because the men whom you are picking this cargo from will in all likelihood will want you dead and that he was selected because he seemed sufficiently competent, reliable and desperate to suit this task perfectly.

"The Preparations are complete. We are ready as soon as you are."

With those words, all ships of House Mormont were mobilized, six warships, eight trade galleys and six cogs, all rushing to meet up in at Steptstones on an Island pre-determined in your last visit where they were greeted by the visage of the colossal Carrack bearing your colors, anchored away from shore.

"So, we finally are here. Welcome Ser Jorah. Are your men ready to get this show rolling?"
He looks around as he comes to sit with you at a table you've set on the sands.
"Since we are in Stepstones, I take it this job of yours involves piracy."
You laugh heartily and smugly with genuine amusement
"Not at all, in fact when I am telling you that we aren't even planning on doing anything illegal here, I am being perfectly honest."
"Laws of Westeros only apply in Westeros."
"True enough, I probably will be breaking some laws in Free Cities then."
"Will my men be expected to fight in this job?"
"Only if something unexpected happens, such as a barrel of snakes, hostiles stowaways or the like is hidden in cargo. Otherwise it's simple enough job. Worst case scenario, there's some traps, which is why I advise you to check the cargo beforehand."
"And of the reward? You promised me more gold than my House makes in ten years. I trust that promises still holds."
"Hmmm... I can't give you exact figures yet, but your share is 10%, so it should be somewhere around 10 to 50 thousand Gold Dragons worth of treasure depending how well this goes. Of course if it goes tits up during negotiations and I get killed, you can just go home. I take it that's enough?"
"It is, though I cannot understand what manner of business could bring such coin. Not unless you have managed to track down the last Targaryens."
"Ser Jorah, I am hurt! A Knight such as myself hunting for children? tsk! tsk! tsk! You know part. Come and scout two times a day. If you see us waving a white flag with red cross on it, it's safe. If you don't, steer clear."
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> Which city did you target?

> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
> [Lys]: Paradise Island of the Dragonlords, Island of Whores, Perfume and Dyes, known for their pleasure slave breeding programs and decadence
> [Myr]: Ancient Valyrian trade port where the Demon Road meets the sea. Known for their craftsmen and for giving richly to the Dothraki to avoid sacking of their city.
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
Lets
Fuckin
Goooooo
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
Time to blow some shit up. We take out the Tyroshi, and Myr will roll over without much complaint. Sure, hardest target, but we also have the most powder available at the start and the news of such a feat happening are sure to make the other cities reconsider.
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
First stop! Gunshow Coast! Avast!
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
oy vey
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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>>3504867
>[Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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>>3504867
>>[Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.

its another shoah
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>>3504867
> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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Looks like you really don't like the city state that is renown for massive slave trade and its torture devices
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>>3504867
> [Myr]: Ancient Valyrian trade port where the Demon Road meets the sea. Known for their craftsmen and for giving richly to the Dothraki to avoid sacking of their city.
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>>3505022
We really dont like a city state with lots of gold that isnt ours.
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>>3504867
>> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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>>3504867
>>[Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
The U.S.S. Long Night Incident will never be forgotten!
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Tyrosh delenda est. Septem vult!
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>[Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.

Let's
Fucking
GO
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>>3504867
>> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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Looks like Myr is a strong contender.
Anyway, let's go through the "strategy" if it can be called that.

How do you wanna go about this?
>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.

>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.

>[Supreme Arrogance]: You issue a formal challenge against their navy, stating your demands and the rough time when you will be showing up at their city to begin your embargo.

>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)
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>>3505217
>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.
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>>3505217
>[Supreme Arrogance]: You issue a formal challenge against their navy, stating your demands and the rough time when you will be showing up at their city to begin your embargo.
Let my people go!
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>>3505217
>>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

We want as many Tyroshi hull there as possible, and we want this to spread our dread the whole world over so if we visit a Myr and Lys a few weeks or moths later we don't have to bother with another fight.

The only thing that might be a problem is running our of ammo if they mange to amass enough hulls to deplete our stocks- but there are tactical option of multiple short attacks and retreats that will sap their morale if we are at half ammunition stocks and have not sunk more than half the Tyroshi fleet.
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>>3505217
>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.

This is best, if they are scared sufficiently early on then they'll pull back and meet our demands yet at the same time it gives us the ability to meet their forces piecemeal rather than as a whole assuming they don't marshal their forces into a single fleet after the first few colonies fall. Plus it means that if our reserves of powder, troops or supplies run low that we can pull back and restock without too much risk.

>>3505226
I'd rather not risk them managing to surround and board our ship. Better to slowly strip them of their colonies, freeing all the Westerosi slaves, taking the property of the owners and generally doing what is the right of invaders.
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>>3505217

>the arthurian crusade
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>>3505217

>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.

This one seems like the one that yields the most bounty
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>>3505217
>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.

Real Pirate shit
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>>3505217
>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.

It has returned! Welcome back!!
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>>3505217
>>[The Arthurian Crusade]
Call the bannermen! We sail to war!
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I am willing to change my vote but I need to know one fact: how many broadsides can our ship fire before we run out of powder?
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>>3505249
Well... let's do that with a mixture of this
>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

We conduct the propaganda war while slowly and surely nock out their colonies and fleets.... not keen on having a repeat of our first life
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>>3505255
Oh come on anon, it's not like we could end up getting surrounded by a numerically superior enemy in a situation where the weather renders our gunpowder weapons less useful and a series of bad rolls results in our key opening volleys being wasted...twice.
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>>3505217
>>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)
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>>3505235
We are as fast against the wind as the best longship with the best crew.
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>>3505260
100 tons of ammo. Go with roughly 100 shots per cannon, a portion of that explosive shot. That, cobined with the speed of the engine and the massive size and height of the ship leaves us pretty safe. We can outrun a longship ffs.
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>>3505266
I feel fairly confident in shifting my vote then.


>>3505217
OP, I am changing my vote from >>3505235 to:
>>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

Here's hoping we get some would-be crusaders to join us, Christ knows we could use the fodder to screen our ship and let us get into position to maximise our effectiveness.
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>>3505260
Well... all our guns are below decks and thusly safe from rain... right?

It would be so funny if we died due to rain again
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>>3505217
>>>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FdnA4SyYzE
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>>3505217
>>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.
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>>3504867
>[Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.

Break their Backs Men!
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>>3505273
If we're gonna start constructing a list of appropriate songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g9blaJ17x4

I feel this song is appropriate as shit, even if we aren't using a ship'o'steel since we are an undeniably the king of the waves in this ship.


>>3505270
Honestly, there is a minor chance we could get stuck in a storm and lose some degree of structural integrity, some sails, masts or crew. I doubt we'd be sunk but that too could happen.
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>>3505217
>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

DEUS VULT
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>>3505217
>>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)
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>>3505288
I do agree, we should be fine weather wise

D E U S V U L T
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>>3505217
>>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.
>>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.
Either or, we are here to sow TERROR and plunder GOLD.
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>>3505270
The first thing we would do if this happens is waterproof everything we make, everything. No matter the cost in our next life.
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>>3505298
>I do agree, we should be fine weather wise
Agreed, after all: we are the hammer of the waters; the breaker-of-chains-to-be. It is undeniable that the gods will our success.

Or more simply, DEUS VULT: Non servos, non hominibus.
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>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

We came, We saw, We Kicked their Ass!
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>>3505307
I was testing you, you passed
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>>3505309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUX9ja5ZY6M

wink'
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And suddenly, we get a bunch of Fanatic joining up with us...
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>>3505314
You say that like it would be a bad thing, I mean we could certainly make use of them.
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>>3505301
Fully agreed. Even if we are in the middle of the dessert
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>>3505303
Well put! Hammer the water! Break the chains! Let no masters survive, Deus Vult
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>>3505321
Next life, we do a proper, full crusade, on the Ghiscari.
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>>3505217

>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

Let our fame reach from The Lands of Always Winter to the very south of Sothoryos.

Say....how goes it with the second most infamous seaman Euron? I'm sure he more than likely despises us for cycling him of deeds and infamy by leaps and bounds
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>>3505335
Let's try to steal his magic shit
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>>3505384
Yeah, if we see a red boat we should sink it to steal his shit.
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>>3500448
New to the quest but this is some damn good stuff!! Just for reference though, this quest uses the show as its reference right? Because at least to my knowledge Casterly Rock hasn't gone dry in the books.

> [Tyrosh]: Former Valyrian military outpost and the home of most aggressive slaver fleets in this part of the world. Known for their moneygrubbing ways.
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>>3505413
Is this bait?
Of course this isn't using the show.
We'd have Ironborn Warpdrive if it was.
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>>3505413
>New to the quest but this is some damn good stuff!!
Thank you kindly.

>Just for reference though, this quest uses the show as its reference right?
Books primarily + OP correcting for shit that is dumb + the show in that order of importance. I don't remember the precise details but OP spelled it the particulars in about thread 16 I think...

>Because at least to my knowledge Casterly Rock hasn't gone dry in the books.
To be fair, the books are far behind the show and it honestly changes little to me.
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>>3505217

>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)

I, for one, am ready to get faceless man'd
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>>3505431
I mean, so long as we make it understood that if we are killed and our boat remains free, that it is under orders to burn our foes to the ground, we odd to be safe.
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>>3505217
>[Creeping Terror]: Go through all their coastal colonies, one by one, killing and issuing your demands until you finally reach the city itself.
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>>3505518
ought* to be

And yeah, killing us doesnt remove the industry in place and may instead give a casus belli to break the peace treaty and do a full-scale war in Essos with powder weapons.
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>>3505217
>[Lord Reaper]: Hit them hard and without warning, just mow down anything in sight and issue your demands.
Hit'em hard and hit'em fast!
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You know, if this works out, we should probably look into possibly forming a bunch of mercenary companies out of our various military units. Lord knows that there'll be some lords with pirate problems that just want us to send our fleet-killer on a wee pass by their lands.

>>3505557
I was meaning more so a dead man switch: if we die, our crew don't target ships; our ship opens up on the city proper.
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>>3505217
>[The Arthurian Crusade]: This event will be known to all. Printed letters are sent taunting the Tyroshi in every major mail hub this side of Valyria. The list of their crimes, the goal of this suicidal military action and the declaration of the conflict which will be known as the Arthurian Crusade(s?)
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What do you think we should do about willing slaves. There is pretty much no way to tell them apart but they are just snow niggers on the inside.
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>>3506285
Wildling*
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>>3506285
We feed them Surstromming and teach them about feminism and hope it turns them docile like the Swedish
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>>3505270
Yes, all main guns are below deck.
Then again unlike in Vale, you can actually wait till the skies are clear before commencing battle and run away if things look hairy.
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>>3505413
It's primarily inspired by the book, but a lot of it is patched out because GRRM makes mistakes and leaves lot of things vague.

Show for most part is ignored save when the actors do a good job and I want to use that as a reference point.
Lannisters are mostly based on the show as the show did them usually better than the books did.

Tywin especially, Tywin's actor really owned the role.
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>Deus Vult
>>3505226
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>Greyjoys
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>Invasion
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>1v1 me faggot
>>3505224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOV1riSEYo
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>>3506534
YEEEES
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>>3506534
Palestienlied intesifies
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnXhAFW0vc
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>>3506402
Doesn't Tyrion backflip off a roof in the books to show off?
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>>3506654
No that was Bran trying to impress Jamie. Unfortunately he fucked up and broke his legs.
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>>3506657
kek
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>>3506657
absolute madman
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> At Winterfell

Lord Eddard Stark was busy going through the estimated incomes of his Vassal houses in his study, determining which regions would have recovered from the last winter the most.
An essential task in maintaining stability in the North, as knowing that meant knowing which houses would be most likely to start reopening old wounds and which ones would likely need his attention.
As he was immersed in his work, he heard a knock on the door.
"Who is it?"
"Maester Luwin my Lord. I bear strange tidings."
He lifted his eyebrow
"Come on in."
As he came in, he pulled out a piece of parchment
"Pardon the intrusion, but a strange letter arrived by raven, unsealed and openly addressed to anyone who wished to read it.
It states to have been written by your vassal, Lord Arthur Tallon, stating that he is declaring war against Tyrosh as a retaliation for their raids against Westeros and the unlawful captivity of Westerosi slaves with the goal of their liberation."
He looks at Maester Luwin with disbelief
"That can't be right. He doesn't have the men."
"I thought so as well Lord Stark, but who would do something like this? It makes no sense. I hear we aren't the only one who has received this letter either. Lord Manderly has already sent a raven stating that Lord Tallon has gone missing with his new warship and was last seen to be sailing to south according to his Maesters."
"They didn't know where he is going?"
"He seldom tells them much, preferring to leave administration to them as he focuses on his personal projects."
Lord Eddard frowns
"Has he gone mad?"
"It is possible. Madness and brilliance are often two sides of the same coin and alchemy is known to take it's toll on those who practice it. I believe we should not rush into action here however."
"Send a letter to him. Tell him he is summoned to Winterfell. If he returns, I want to look him in the eye and see what madness has possessed him."


> At an undisclosed location

"The Eagle has taken the Bear moved to South and now faces towards the east."
"Are the two..."
"Safe, but I don't see why this man is a threat."
"Mere precaution. I cannot tell what he intends to do, but he is in all likelihood as good at this business as I am."
"Are you sure you are not being paranoid?"
"I cannot find where he gets his information from or which men are his and that unsettles me. First with the squid, now with the bear. He has ears and eyes in unexpected places."
"And what do you make of his declaration?"
"Likely a ploy or a favor done with intent to draw ships from the contested territories. I see no possibility of it being anything but a trick."
"His new ship has been seen stalking within the Stepstones."
"Whatever he does should not concern us for the time being."

> At Copperhall

...the fuck Arthur?
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>>3506756
>"Send a letter to him. Tell him he is summoned to Winterfell. If he returns, I want to look him in the eye and see what madness has possessed him."
Well that'll be interesting, hopefully we can wrap this up quickly and he'll accept us repaying our loan in full without issue...

>...the fuck Arthur?
OP don't kill me like that.
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>DEUS VULT!


Most beloved countrymen: It is with heavy heart that I must bring to your awareness the knowledge of the misdeeds of the foul Tyroshi, the known torturers and slavers, cretins who prey upon our countrymen wherever they may float a ship.

The City of Tyrosh insists on not being connected to the NUMEROUS raids conducted against our sovereign nation. Raids of which I've proof in form of port reports from all over the continent. These reports paint a damning picture of the state of our borders and of the impunity by which these foreigners violate them in order to murder our brothers, steal our wives and enslave our children to perpetuate their decadent way of life.

I ask of you this, my fellow Westerosi!
In whose mines do our countrymen toil in bondage?
By whose coin are they purchased from these supposed 'Pirates' and by whose whip are they lashed?
From whose gallows do they hang from when they ask for the freedom that is their birthright?
Whose chains do they wear when they are sold again for profit when their spirits are broken?

We all know the answer to this question.

Therefore, I, Ser Arthur Tallon, Lord of Port Maw, in spirit of patriotism, common decency and with blessing of the Old Gods and the New henceforth begin my personal crusade to liberate our countrymen from the illegal bondage they are held in by the City of Tyrosh, and should the Archon of Tyrosh read this, know that if you refuse my people their rightful place in this world, I will bring down upon you such terrible vengeance, that generations yet unborn will cry out in anguish.

You have two weeks to muster your forces or to let my people go.
Dues must be repaid, and this debt has been a long time coming.



>Did you rope your younger brother Rickar into this without him knowing?
>Y/N
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>>3506771
>Y
He needs to make a name for himself.
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>>3506771
>Y
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>>3506771
>Y
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>>3506771
>Y
Adventure time! Arthur and Rick style! Uuurpp!
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>>3506771
>Y

Honestly every man we can get is a damn nice thing but I'd also like to get our other brother into the "hey I know the future and need your help" thing we've got going with our other brother which will be made much easier once he has seen first hand how insane we are in terms of what we can do.

Plus if he gets a lordship because of what we do here, he can use his insane wealth from this to improve that / our family's position.
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>>3506771
>>Y
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>>3506771
>Y
Let's give our bro a chance to make a name for himself.
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>>3506771
>Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0w2vbegv1I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFv-vuk-m8
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>>3506771
>Y
>>3506810
All for getting him involved, not at all for with letting him know we know the future, the less people that know the better.
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>>3506771
>Y


Keeping Varys guessing is fun.
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>>3506771
>>Y
inb4 later faith militant connections. Saint Arthur Inbound.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=kVFHPw4Na9Q

>Today the gods are watching
>Today we will show Westeros that this Navy never falters in the path of its duty
>We are the rulers of the Sea
>Each of your volleys is a sword that can will cut the slaving fleets down
>Into the jaws of Death
>Into the mouth of Hell
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>>3506863
I understand but I want to believe we can trust our family to support us.

>>3506911
I mean, if we really want to make an interesting fate, becoming a saintly figure would certainly strengthen any claim to power we wish to make.

>>3506961
The god's will it: no slaves, only men; freedom in death or through bloodshed!
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>>3506771
>>Y
Through the Gates of Hell!
As we make our Way to Heaven!
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>>3506756
>...the fuck Arthur?
Man if we actually pull this off our brother is going to be so done with our shit I swear
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>>3506771
>>Y
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>>3506771
>Y
What's the worst that could happen.
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>>3506771
>NUMEROUS raids conducted
>will bring down upon you such terrible vengeance, that generations yet unborn will cry out in anguish.
Haha
Is this a old fashion copy pasta
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I'm kinda hoping the mc is going to plagiarize the cossacks' letter to the Ottoman sultan whenever a relevant opportunity presents itself
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>>3507835
You should swap from Port Maw to Boatmurdered after this, provided you don't die embarrassingly.
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>>3506771
>N
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>>3508397
What's the worst that could happen?
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>>3507367
The people playing the Game of thrones thinking he is in with our super secret plan and spy network, and using him to try and find out about it, doing things like poisoning him, torturing him, drowning him in whore and wines, sending him a wife as a spy, accusing him of things is he absolutely innocent of doing, getting him addicted on drug etc etc.
Might also be interpreted as our family heing involved in our secret stuff, to similar effect to what happens to our brothers.
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>>3508535
Cant exactly indiscriminately murder and kidnap nobles though. Especially with Tarly in between. Plus, if it turns out someone *has* fucked with us there will be hell t pay. Something made even more frightening by the fact nobody can find our "spies".

Will there be influencing? Sure. But I wouldnt bet on anything bad happening unless we either fuck up bad or the Reach gets fucked up bad.
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>>3508561
I mean, they don’t need to kidnap him to get him hooked on Whore, wine and drugs.
Anyways, he might get a pass if we pull this off, nobody is going to poke the guy that can take down Free cities.
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[ 1 ]

Before you set sail to Stepstones, you had invited your younger brother to join you on the maiden voyage, telling him that it would be a good opportunity to get some stories to tell to the ladies and his future grandchildren.

Invitation, which he had naturally accepted as since a pleasure cruise isn't something he gets an opportunity to do often.

"So, how do you like my ship?"
"It's monstrous in size! Even bigger than our home at Knight's rest was. I imagine you need to be a King or a Lannister to have a bigger ship."
He says as he looks around the main deck
"Come, I'll take you through a tour in the ship. The Lads will handle your luggage."
You say as you take him to the interior of the ship
"In here's the first cannon deck and also the crew quarters."
His eyes widen at the rows of cannons stretching to the prow
"All of this Iron must have cost a fortune."
"It sure as shit did, luckily I managed to foot the bill on a very unhappy lord. It's put a bit of a strain on our relationship, but he should recoup those losses within the next few decades or so with the stuff I gave him in return."
You lead him further down the ship
"In here's the ship kitchen where the crew gets the food prepared for them. This ship is bit of a rarity in the sense that we've got warm meals and tea for all crew thanks to our boilers setup."
"Is that unusual?"
"Oh yes, most ships tend not to have any fires in them. Down there's one of the crappers in case nature calls. We also use it as a garbage hole and to vomit out of if someone eats bad food. The Bucket is for grabbing seawater to wash your hands as we don't like diseases here."
"What if you do get sick?"
"We do have an infirmary and a healer right here. You'll get rest, sunlight and food supplements as well as hacksaw or splints in case of limb injuries. We can take care of most health problems aboard."
You say as you continue further
"In here's the Great Cabin and the Mate's quarters. Basically everyone with some rank be here. If you need something and I'm not available, just ask these lads, they know what's what. Ser Bodrin and Ser Dan were with me on the first ship, they're more or less the highest ranking lads besides me in here."
Going down a further, you show him deeperparts of the ship.
"Second gun deck, some more crappers and space for crew not much else to say."
"Down there's the magazine. No lanterns or fires allowed there. Essentially keep out from here if you don't have business in here."
"Now in here's another rarity."
You say as you lead him to the engine room
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[ 2 ]

"What is this?"
He says looking confused at the machinery
"This is the engine room. In the event we need to sail against the winds, we'll awaken the machines and they will drive us forward."
He looks at the collection of finely cast and machined steam parts at disbelief
"Against the winds? You mean it's like a mill that drives oars? How does that work?"
"Well, we heat up water in the boilers over there. Water gets turned to steam as it boils, the boiling steam expands and begins to create pressure in the pipes. The Pressure hits these pistons, causing them to move in an oscillating motion at increasing speeds, driving the wheel right here faster and faster as the pressure builds up. Rotating motion is then transferred through gears and belts to wherever it is required, allowing few swole men with shovels to power our ship's pumps and ventilation fans, heat our radiators, warm our stoves and to propel our ship forward."
"And... you learned this at the citadel?"
"No."
You say as you lead him up the stairs back to your quarters.
"Space and privacy is in short supply in this vessel, but you can slide close these wooden doors on your bed if you want to be alone for a bit. That more or less concludes the tour. If you want to climb up the rigging for a view, ask the mates first and they'll get someone to show you the ropes."
"Can we go back to that metal monstrosity in the belly of the ship?"
"Ah, I mean, I guess... If you want me to turn it on it's going to take like an hour or so to build up the steam, but we've got the coal. I do expect that you do not touch any of the moving parts because it will not stop if a person gets stuck within the mechanism."
"H-has that happened?"
"Not yet, but if you have heard of mill accidents, you will understand the danger as this runs a lot harder than a mill."

>To be continued tomorrow
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>>3508652
Since he's the.. third-born son? Could we tell our parents he should study with us for a few years and teach him stuff back at home? If we return that is. It would be good to bro it up with our bro.
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>>3508652
A thoroughly glorious update op, thank you.

>>3508836
That is a great idea, we could definitely use an assistant that we can trust
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I wonder how fast we could make a boat go, if we used the Long Night's body and down-scaled version of this engine...
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>>3509440
I think a better question is how far a boat can go, and could a new ship of this model pass the sunset sea?
With the new cash we could easily build two new ones with them we could see what lays beyond the horizon.
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>>3510036
We've discussed it previously, chances are heading beyond our known seas probably won't lead to much new trade or resources because Sothoros is a deadly bitch (but potentially worth it, like sub-Saharan africa), Ulthos is a near-complete unknown and most of the rest of the world is either a unknown size of ocean or occupied by savage natives (not implying those previous places aren't...).

At best, we could look into buying maps off of the Summer islanders and such to see if they can extend our knowledge of the world to enable some further trade but we'd honestly be better off keeping the ships in Westeros / Essos since that is where we can actually make use of them.

Maybe, if we develop some better medical tech we might manage to maintain a colony in the greater world without it dying to some random bullshit tropical disease no one knows about but even then we need to deal with the natives, raiders and gods knows what else.
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>>3508652
oh no
we've corrupted him
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We should write an apology letter to Ed.

"Dear Lord Stark,
Now I know my actions have been concerning lately. But I've got a PLAN. I'm coming into some money, but now all I need is some god damn FAITH! You'll see. One more job, and that'll be it, I swear!
PS. You'll get more guns too. Ig you see Manderly tell him I'll pay HIM back too. Stannis too. Just have some goddamn FAITH!"
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[ 3 ]

"Is this safe Arthur?"
"Define safe"
You say as the engine starts to build up speed
"It's not going to explode like..."
"Like the failed dragon made by the amateurs in King'd Landing? The Boiler can rupture if we overpressurize it but there's a failsafe valve and pressure gauges which allow you to keep an eye on the pressure. It's not idiot proof, but then again nothing is."
"Where did even you get all this?"
He says as the thrumming of the engine fills the room
"I cast, forged, bored and milled most of the parts myself. Everything is hand crafted by yours truly under tight tolerances because nobody else seems to be up to my standard in craftsmanship."
He looks at the machine as if mesmerized
"The Core principle it is built upon it is so simple yet so strange, as if entirely overlooked. This reminds me of a passage, how did it go again? 'It is the Glory of Gods to conceal things, the Glory of Kings to find them.'?"
"...and If I had told you of Earthly things and you did not believe, how can you believe if I told you of heavenly things?"
"Different chapter, although not inappropriate given the context."
He says as the two of you leave the engine crew to their work and return to the great cabin after grabbing a pot of tea from the boilers.
"You still haven't told me where you learned all this from."
He says whilst he looks through the books you have on your shelves, mostly stuff you got from Ruger along with few books on Herbalism you got from your Maesters.
"Nothing on smithing."
He remarks
"If it's the smithing manual you are looking for, we have one aboard, but it's currently in the mate's cabin. Popular read along with the carpentry books what with them being a manly professions."
He lifts his eyebrow
"Is there any reading you'd personally recommend?"
"You are asking that as if these were drama plays. You need to first know what you want to do before you look into how you want to do it. None of these books are infallible."
He thinks for a moment
"What would you recommend if I didn't know where to start?"
"So general civilizing subject that's more or less broadly useful? Third book, second row from the top."
He looks at the cover for a moment
"Shapes and Numbers?"
"If you can turn things into a mathematical problem, then you can use a mathematical solution."
"Looks like a very boring read."
He says as he goes through the pages
"Don't read it then. You're a grown man. You can make your own decisions on whether or not you want to do something."
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He looks clearly taken aback from that answer
"Aren't you supposed to encourage me to be diligent and such to enjoy fruits of labor?"
"What good would that do? I could give you empty platitudes, but you decide if you have the drive to accomplish anything."
Clearly annoyed he grumbles at you
"Easy for you to say. Not all if us had the same opportunities as you."
You chuckle and give him a smile
"Don't worry, you'll soon enough be up to your tits in opportunities, I have seen to that."
"What do you mean?"
"Well, I was planning to let this be a surprise just to see your face, but...."
You pull out a copy of your declaration and hand it over to him
"Rejoice brother, for you are going crusading."
He starts reading through the letter
"Is this a joke?"
"Does a hundred tons of ammunition look like a joke to you?"
"Have you gone insane? How many ships do you think they have?"
"Hundreds, but according to my calculations so long as they don't bring upwards to a thousand warships, we should be fine."
"And what kind of demented calculations would lead you to think this is a good idea?"
"Range of a cannon is approximately 1600-1800 yards on five degrees of elevation. Fastest ships they have can reach a speed of 10 knots with wind on their back meaning in optimal conditions, they can cross the distance within 12,5 minutes. Cannons firing at optimal rate of fire can achieve 4 shots a minute. Single broadside contains 38 cannons meaning 152 shots per minute. This means that if we are sitting still, we can still fire 1900 times before they reach our position before we risk ramming or boarding. Each hit from an explosive shell can be expected to knock out a ship. Even if we assume only 10% of hits knock out a ship, that is still 190 ships dead in the water. Furthermore our ship can move at 11-12 knots for days instead of in bursts, meaning that they can never catch us."
"What if they shoot back at us? Have you thought of that?"
"The Range of a ballista on land is approximately 500 yards at best. On sea, much less. Everything else has lower range than that."
"How can you not see this is suicide? Their numbers..."
"Are pathetic. We will shoot, run, shoot, run and they will never catch us or return our fire. There is no warship in existence that can catch this vessel. They will either die or surrender. Either way, the feat will be legendary."
"You don't have the men to take the city."
"I don't NEED to take the city. I just need to embargo their port."
"What of smugglers? You cannot watch over the whole island."
"Doesn't matter, city cannot live off smugglers alone and few honest traders want to risk their ships sinking. From their perspective, we are just asking for same sort of stuff they themselves ask for whenever they win a war, albeit we don't plan to stick our slaves in salt mines do we?"
"What about your crew?"
"They'll all be rich with treasure once this is over. Also, they hate the Tyroshi, so shooting them up shouldn't cause too much ire with them."
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"Targaryens had dragons and they couldn't do this! What makes you think you would fare any better?"
"Both dragonfire and dragon's claws have less range than a cannon. If a Dragonrider wishes to assault anyone, he must expose himself to fire from arrows and scorpions, a problem that we do not need to face.
The Calculations deem it possible and our cause is just.
Have faith brother, our enemies are torturers and slavers.
You are the closest thing to a holy man aboard this ship, I ask of you to bless our weapons and aid us in this grand undertaking."
He stutters
"I-i... I don't... Are you not afraid at all?"

>give me 3d6 persuasion roll to keep him from panicking
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Rolled 1, 2, 1 = 4 (3d6)

>>3510901
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>>3510903
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>>3510901
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Rolled 2, 4, 5 = 11 (3d6)

>>3510901
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Rolled 4, 6, 4 = 14 (3d6)

>>3510901

>>3510903
kek
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Rolled 1, 1, 5 = 7 (3d6)

>>3510901
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>>3510910
You saved our ass.
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Rolled 3, 6, 4 = 13 (3d6)

>>3510901
"Little Brother, has Bobbert told you how he truly saw my betting at Harrenhall? Have the folks told you my conversation on the maiden voyage of my Long Night? - This will be even greater!"
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>>3510910
https://youtu.be/JDVT-8tUfiE
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>>3510922
Suddenly, he go full zelot :P
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>>3510924
https://youtu.be/DAKPgu5yDrM?t=64
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Can't wait for us to make Knights obsolete. Too expensive to make plate armor and can't field an army with it so you barely have like, 100, maybe 200+ knights at any given time, versus a hoard of line infantry with guns that cost half the money to maintain and half the time to train and to field fucking steamrolling over the other less fortunet levies.

Not to mention cannons and artillery, WOO, makes me hot just thinking about it.

>inb4 plate armor BLOCKS musket balls, YEAH NO FUCKING SHIT, why you think I mention artillery? It ain't about quality, it's about the logistics son.
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This has probably been discussed already, but what do the people in our lands currently think of us?
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>>3512500
The weird magic man on the hill that is best not bothered with shit or he will shoot you, and likes to give well paying jobs for good work.
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> 14 - Pass

"What fear have we who know there is immortality in the great and Noble deeds of men? The Worst they can do is kill me if I am wrong, but my life is not so dear nor do I find peace so sweet that it should be purchased with the price of chains and slavery."
You walk over to your desk and pull out a stack of papers
"In here's a list of names. Hundreds of them. Men, women and children gone missing all over our nation, all in wake of foreign slavers passing our shores and these are just the reported cases within the recent four or five or years."
You say as you slap the documents on the table
"How many thousands have they taken across the years and how long should we continue to ignore a problem which can be solved by standing up for ourselves? By telling our enemies that there is a point beyond which you must not advance. It is time to put a gun in the mouth of the thieves and tell them to start coughing up what they stole."
"...and if you win and if they refuse your demands?"
"Then my cannons turn to their palaces and monuments until their great works remain rubble."
He sighs
"I guess as far as ways to die go, this one at least guarantees my way to heaven."
"Yesss! I knew you'd come around."
You say giving him a slap on the back
"So what exactly is your plan with this?"
"Well, I'm glad you asked. First, we go to meet one of my contacts. He too is delightfully ignorant of what the true purpose of the voyage is. He will stay back and send scouts to see if we are done with the job. It's his men who will be checking and transporting the cargo once we are done."
"And your men, have you told them?"
"Not yet, although I have implied we're going to give the Tyroshi a taste of their own medicine."
He thinks for a moment
"Do you have any strong drink aboard?"
"I do, why do you ask?"
"We'll get them drunk, we'll convince them of your plan, we'll make them swear oaths towards this cause with promises of gold, fame, favor of gods and for justice."
"Good idea! Let's put it in writing too! We'll make some drafts for ship articles and all of us will sign it in blood. That should keep the crew together."
"Blood oaths? That's..."
"Why not, did the Andals of old not swear similar oaths when they came to Westeros? First men too practice it. Also, it makes for a story to tell."
He sighs
"You do that, I'll go see what sort of booze this ship has. I might not have learned much of value in the septry, but I know how to get a man drunk."

> 3d6 to persuade the crew
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Rolled 5, 6, 4 = 15 (3d6)

>>3513175
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>>3513179
Wew, good show.
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>>3513182
keep rolling,want to see that sweet carbon devil number
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Rolled 5, 4, 5 = 14 (3d6)

>>3513182
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>>3513179
Try to get your combat multiplier even higher.
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Rolled 2, 3, 3 = 8 (3d6)

>>3513175
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>>3513192
Do you think this is a game?
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Rolled 2, 2, 2, 4, 5 = 15 (5d6)

Here's for your brother's alchomancy, lowest dice discarded on this one.
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>>3513193
I'm sorry I'm only average.
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Oh, shit. He's on board with it. New best bro.
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>>3514141
It's been this way for a long time, OP used to do more but as the detail grew and a few things changed, this became the norm.

Honestly I don't mind it but I'd like more.
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I've been trying to compile a list of good investments for our massive pile of incoming wealth and that means staring at pdf's of buildings and comparing bonuses, costs and shit. I presume that that my conclusions can be considered impartial but I'd like to find out some shit, so I can more accurately predict expenditures and opportunities.

For example, in my limited supply of PDF's, because I ain't paying shit-all, I can't find any reference as to the cost of building a road assuming that is something the system even covers. Something which is deeply troubling given a pair of highly exploitable constructions rely solely on them as their limiting factor, as they can be built outside of a holding's limited supply of construction spaces.

Another point, what units are we going to be training? I ask as certain buildings would make the production of certain (e,g civilian levies, garrison, criminal or guerrilla) units more efficient / the units more effective and I want to use the knowledge of what we plan on raising to counter-balance my currently economically focused inspections.


As of right now, I can provide a usage for 260 wealth (52,000 Gold dragons) without mentioning a few renewable investments, the construction of new holdings or expending anything but wealth.
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For the record, I want to say that I'm not super happy how I did that last update as it sorta makes you into this psychopath that puts out an act to his brother in order to get him to partake in his wars and that wasn't really what I was going for.
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>>3514962
If you feel the need to make a ret-con OP, do it. Ain't nobody gonna claim you don't have the right to it and it's not like it a particularly important change yet. I mean honestly a accidental implication like that is a fairly minor thing to change.

I'm not happy about us not getting a choice in the "get our men drunk and then use their word to force them into compliance" plan. That shit just don't sit right with me.
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>>3514966
How would you rope them to do something most would consider suicidal? Keep in mind, you've only got 3 in your persuasion and your brother's got 4 with 1 reroll dice.
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>>3514975
I suppose but that hardly changes the fact I'm deeply uncomfortable with this. I hold to the idea that a man's word is a measure of his worth, so taking them under oath like this isn't something I feel entirely comfortable with since it's close to a form of robbery.
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>>3513175

>RETCON

"I don't really have any reason to be afraid.
For one, when I say I don't fear what comes after death, I am being completely honest.
Secondly, I don't feel the risk is too great. This tactic has been employed repeatedly on land by the Dothraki against the same enemies I would now face.
Even if the Dothraki are savages, rapists, slavers and thieves and we are civilized men, we cannot deny that their hit and run tactics haven't been successful as most of known Essos is controlled by them and their roving tribes instead of the free cities.
Thirdly, the sheer arrogance of this action should catch everyone off-guard. Anyone sane should think me mad and it's because of that this crusade will be successful. Their response should be a show of strength and when they make a show of strength, we crush it with a force they've never seen before. One battle and the war is over.
Finally, this is a just war. Make no mistake of it, this is a real problem that needs to be solved, but nobody has had the balls to even try."

You pull out the bundle of port reports that you gathered to polarize your people, pulling out a compiled list revealing the quantity various slave raids conducted against Westeros across the continent over the few years.
"Take a look at this and tell to my face that's not a problem that our people need to solve."
He goes through the list
"Is.. is this accurate?"
"As accurate as I could make it. Only reported cases I'm afraid, but nevertheless."
"They must have taken thousands across the decades! Why hasn't anyone done anything about it?"
"Well, you have the choice to do something about it right now. I for one seek to hunt them and take back what was stolen. I'll not lie, I'm also doing this to pay my debts, but when given the choice between taxing from the downtrodden law abiding smallfolk or the decadent foreign slave raiders, I know which course of action I think more honorable."

He gives you back the papers, takes the stiffest drink in your booze cabinet and drinks few solid gulps straight from the bottle.

"Maybe I should have been a pirate rather than a Septon, but fuck it. I'm in. Even if they won't relent, they still need to pay. I do pray to Smith that your contraptions won't fail us."
"If there's one thing I'm confident about, it's my craftsmanship. Neither the machines nor the guns will fail, that much I guarantee."
He grabs a few more bottles off your shelf along with cups
"Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to find some people to drink your booze down with for I plan to enjoy life one last time before the shit hits the road. Have you told your crew yet?"
"They don't know we'll be targeting Tyrosh itself, they do know that we'll be hitting the Tyroshi."
"You should tell them. Lift their spirits before the moment comes and maybe they don't mutiny and gut you like the madman you are."

"Can I trust you to arrange the festivities?"
"I know how to get a man drunk at least. One of the few things I did learn."
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>>3514705
get the core,
out of strife prosperity
Spark to power
they can be found without forking out shekels.
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Better?
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>>3515070
What is?
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>>3515070
Yeah, seemed more natural than the other post. btw i never did get how we would get the money from Tyrosh. Are we gonna demand money and to free the slaves or we gonna go Lootin?
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>>3515090
Defeated opponents in war pay reparations to the winner.
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>>3515090
Normal wars in contested territories usually end with giving slaves, coin and territory to the winner.
Difference here is that you are demanding very specific slaves, which you intend to free, and you are demanding treasure.

Traditionally, the costs of a war are paid by the loser, which is where the reparations come from.
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Shouldn't we also ask for Braavosi slaves?
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>>3515100
Braavosi can do their own fucking crusade.
They have the money and the ships for it.
We are representing westeros, and doing this for westeros not bloody foreigners. They can handle their own business like they do with Pentos and such.
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>>3515100
It's not like they are involved in this war, although Braavosi couldn't really do this anyway because unlike Westeros, Braavos isn't nearly as culturally or ethnically homogenous.

This makes campaigns of liberation either universal or nonexistent for them.
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After getting sufficiently liquored up with the men and your brother making some implications on the fact that this party is for the revelation of your plan, the time for the big moment came.

"You must forgive me, but I am not really a man for speeches, however I do feel the situation calls for it.

"Of course, we don't share blood together, I am from the South, you are from the North. Most of us do not even share gods together, but that matters little. We are all civilized men of the same continent, believing in same basic principles of everyman in Westeros.
The Oaths we swear, upon marriage, upon vengeance, upon fealty.
We have integrity to justly be proud of. Man should not swear an oath he will not stand by.
We hold much the same customs, the rights of hospitality and similar concepts of right and wrong."

"You are my people, my soldiers, my sailors, the strength in my arms, the holders of my dreams."

"When I came to be your lord, there were many problems troubling the land. Poverty, lawlessness, the crushed spirits of a defeated people."

"Within the three years I have had the honor to lead you, we have not only rebuilt, but we have completely turned the fortunes of the land around."
"We have raised industry, restored old borders and brought about security for our lands, but most importantly, we have built a society that works. A society that provides opportunity and fair ruling for it's people."

The Somewhat drunken deckhands give you a cheer.

"But alas, despite the great deeds we have performed, you still are a defeated people. Battered and shunned by your neighbors despite your remarkable resilience and tenacity."

"If you allow me to lead you once more, we will change this together and no man will remember that defeat."
"If you have the stomache for it, when we return home from this journey, not only will we have rebuilt your pride, but also elevated you above and beyond those who conquered you but few years ago as we finally enter to a golden age that you so deserve."

"If you lend me your ears, I shall tell you of the true objective of this voyage, the TRUE purpose of this vessel. If no longer would you be a defeated people who struggle to raise themselves from an undeserved poverty, join me in my crusade!"

"This vessel was not designed for patrol duty."
"Each of it's cannons outrange a trebuchet several times over and in your training you have learned, that but a single shot from an explosive shell can sink a ship."
"Single cannon would be enough to face off a warship and emerge victorious, but we have eighty cannons on this ship. Surely this is excessive is it not?"
"Our Cargo hold contains a hundred tons of ammunition, easily enough to face off a THOUSAND ships without resupply, but for patrol duty, surely this is excessive?"
"The Belly of the ship contains an engine which propels us against the winds faster than any galley can move, yet why would we have a need to be faster than any ship in the sea?"
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"I tell you today that this ship was not built for excess, but for the capability of facing an entire fleet, sailing so it can't be catched and shooting where it cannot be shot from."
"History has proven the Free Cities vulnerable to swift opponents and we hold a ship with the speed to outmanoeuvre entire an armada."
"I have sent a series of letters taunting the Tyroshits, threatening an invasion on their city of decadence if they will not let our fellow Westerosi return home from bondage, a proposition they will initially refuse, and therein lies our rightful cause for war."
"They expect a fleet to arrive and as such will be patrolling their Island carefully with their fleets of War Galleys. We will arrive in their Island, we will shatter their fleets and we will demand not only the release of our countrymen, but also a king's ransom as compensation for our war efforts, lest we begin to level their city with our cannons."

This causes a murmur along the crew

"Now many of you may be wondering, why should we partake in such a risky venture? What's in it for us?"
You pull out a piece of parchment promising a fair distribution of loot to your crew.
"I, Ser Arthur Tallon, Lord of Port Maw and Initiate of 21 Links hereby sign in my blood these ship articles which GUARANTEE those in this crew who sign it a fair share of that ransom, but also binds such that do in duty to follow through to the end of this voyage loyally and dutifully."
"Now many of you are definitely still be doubtful, but let me tell you exactly how much is at stake here for you in terms of wealth.
Half goes to me to pay for the ship and ammunition, fair enough I thinks, seeing the amount of timber and iron we used to make it.
Quarter goes to the officers who guide the deckhands and perform the most skilled jobs.
Last Quarter goes to the deckhands themselves, and now let's put this to perspective here.
Depending how good we make of this, the minimum plunder I expect you deckhands to receive is 35 Gold Dragons each!
That's right, 35 years worth of wages on backbreaking labor. Hell, the average farmer likely won't often live long enough to make that much in his lifetime!
For you officers, your share would be starting from 320 Gold Dragons! Around a Knight's ransom. All we need to achieve this is to do our jobs, plink some Tyroshitters with our cannons and run like cowards when they give chase until they realize it's cheaper to pay us than to clean up all the boat carcasses from their shores."
"Our cause is just! Who is with me?"

There's a few moments of silence and your palms begin to sweat.

I think that's a good place to stop for the day
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>>3515070
Better. Thanks QM.

>>3514705
Feel free to discuss the wealth usage you've planned out in the discord if you've not already, anon, I'd like to hear it. Also, what >>3515069 said.
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>>3515184
thanks for update fren
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>>3515069
>get the core,
Okay,

>out of strife prosperity
Got that, it's why I'm able to make such economic advisement.

>Spark to power
Okay. I also managed to find a Chronicle of Sorcery and Woodland Creatures if they are of any value.

>>3515090
Basically the plan is we demand our retribution: the freedom of the westerosi slaves; their profits from taking them and some Danegeld to make sure we won't come back for at least X many years.

>>3515438
I don't use discord as a matter of principle. It drains threads of discussion and in my experience just descends into cancerous personal discussions.
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>>3515462
This discord is shit talk filled with actual discussion about future plans in the quest, but feel free to just share your ideas here then anon.
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https://youtu.be/Ky2UP5j_pK8
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>>3515530
Thanks, I understand why people prefer Discord and get that it has a degree of utility that 4chan lacks (by allowing tangent discussions to reach their conclusion rather than wasting thread space, allowing bots and so on) but as someone who first got into quests and shit through the archives, my favourite part of this was always just reading the insane plans of anons or their little spur-of-moment jokes at each other or at a update.

Using discord for those things means it doesn't happen in thread, it sanitises the experience for anyone trying to catch up or understand what is happening. They don't see our plans being discussed, the raw numbers being considered and can easily miss important shit occurring. They miss out on many of our jokes and little moments.


Also an update on the PDF front, I've gotten everything I need except for the Spark to power expansion. I've looked through multiple PDF share threads in the 4chan archives, their assocated long term storage and done a fairly competent google searching or two. I don't think I'm going to find it anytime soon.
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>>3515551
Sorry its in 2 parts, anon. Also yeah I get that, but the discord is the only place that we seem to discuss that stuff, and since it doesn't happen in thread I'd rather be part of it somehow, but I get it.
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>>3515551
To be entirely honest, the discord thing sorta got started because I didn't want to use twitter as I'm like 90% sure I'd get banned from there within the first 2-3 threads.
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>>3515462
>Chronicle of Sorcery and Woodland Creatures
>give!
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>>3515631
I also have them, so, here.
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>>3515631
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>>3515570
Fair enough and honestly I don't expect to convert much of anyone to my ways. I'm content with just supplying my plans in thread and having people react. At worst I lose out on the opportunity to help plan some things but I'd like to think that if anyone wants/needs my advice that they know where to get it.

>>3515621
Yeah that is entirely fair. I mean, it depends on what you planned on using it for but given some of the shit that we've done I can see the logic.
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>>3515664
I'd still like to hear your ideas for that 56k gold dragon investment, anon. Might get people talking here more about it, share if you have any changes now you have the spark to powder stuff too, that will probably change it up a lot.
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>>3515681
Okay, I'll detail my plans and then we can discuss a few additional things (specifically new holdings, as I've avoided including any in my plan given I have no idea what people want to build our army around or if anyone had anything specific they wanted to build).


To start with, I advise the acquisition of the following Lifestyle holdings and the listed upgrades at a total cost of 55 wealth:

1) Court; Beautiful People; Movers & Shakers.
2) Festivals: Monthly Festivals; Martial Festivals.
3) Trophy hall: Grand Room.
4)Standard of living: Lavish.


All together those have the following collective benefits:

House Fortunes Roll Bonus: +2
Resource Gain Bonus: Influence +3, Law +1
Resource Loss Mitigation: Influence +2, Population +1.

Resource-to-Resource Conversion: May exchange Influence for Wealth.
Resource-to-Resource Conversion: Influence to Population.

New Rule: Members of your House gain a +2B to Intrigues with your House’s subjects.
New Rule: Members of the House gain a +2 to Intrigue Defense and Disposition Rating, and +2B to Endurance checks when healing naturally while in your House’s holdings. House members can procure most goods worth 25 dragons or less using house funds, credit, or a stipend without using their personal funds.

Unit Bonus: When you raise Peasant Levies they start with a -3 to Discipline.

I admit that not all these boons are that useful (that unit bonus effectively costs 5 wealth) but I was, in these sections where there is little reason not to take whatever we can, more concerned with spending cash given we expect to end this with a damn pretty penny and can extort further cities if our cash ever begins to run low.


Secondly, I recommend the following personage holdings and their listed upgrades at a total cost 170 wealth.

1) Artisan craftsman personage: Stonemason, weapon-smith <---might want to grab the bowyer depending on some allowances from OP regarding the benefits of it.
2) Engineer: Siege Engineer; Engineer Commander.
3) Master artist personage.
4) Master of arms personage: Field Master; Prepared for Siege.
5) Master of the hunt: Great Hunt.
6) Priest.
7) Saboteurs: Expert Saboteur; Plausible Deniability.
8) Spy network personage: Expanded Network; Expert Spies; Plausible Deniability.
9) Street Gangs: Eyes Everywhere; Thugs at the Ready.
10) Tournament master personage: Herald.


I'm going to list the effects of these purchases now, however I'll do it in a separate post because I think I might be close to running out of space and it might even be more than 1 post in the end.
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>>3515727
House Fortunes Roll Bonus: +4
Resource Gain Bonus: Influence +1
Resource Loss Mitigation: Wealth +1, Influence +1. However, all Law Resource decreases due to a House Fortunes roll are increased by 1.

Unit Bonuses: Each unit in the House gains 1 Wealth of free upgrades. New Rules: When rolling for injuries after a battle add +1 to the roll.
Unit Bonus: The cost to raise a Peasant Levy is reduced by 2.

New Rule: All weapons possessed by House members and their retainers and soldiers are assumed to be of Castle-forged quality. Units gain a +1 bonus to Marksmanship damage (bower) or Fighting damage (weaponsmith).
New Rule: Reduce the build time for Defensive Holdings by 10%, and the Warfare bonuses for Communities and Defensive Holdings in the House’s domains are increased by +1.
New Rule: The time for building Defence Holdings, siege weapons, and Wealth Holdings that involve a building are reduced by 20%. Units stationed in Defense Holdings controlled by the House gain +1 to their Defense. Members of the House can acquire devices like telescopes, scales, and other technological gadgets for 80% of normal price.
New Rule: The costs of building siege weapons and siege towers are reduced by -1 Wealth (those engines reduced to 0 Wealth cost instead grant 2 engines for a single point of Wealth).
New Rule: The Engineer Commander has a Warfare of 4. Additionally, reduce the cost of gaining Engineer units by 1.
New Rule: The Master of Arms is able to act as a sub-commander with a Warfare ability of 4. Unit Bonus: Reduce the cost of gaining one type of unit by 1 (this unit should reflect the Master of Arms’ “specialty”).
New Rule: Any holding of the House has enough food to last for six months inside its walls in addition to spare weapons, armor, etc. Any unit stationed in such a holding gains +1 to AR.
New Rule: The House may throw a Hunt once per House Fortunes roll, which functions much as the same as a tournament but does not cost a House Action. Doing so costs 3 Wealth and requires a Challenging (9) Status (Reputation applies) check. If successful, local lords come to the hunt and the House gains 1d3 Influence. The winner ofthe hunt wins 1 Glory and is determined by the winner of a contest using Survival (Hunt).
Great Hunt: +5 Wealth; 1d6 months. You gain access to the Great Hunt House Action.
The Master of the Hunt can throw much larger, more impressive hunts as a House Action. These hunts often involve fearsome beasts, like lions or more fantastic creatures (depending on the setting). Such hunts require 10 Wealth to set up and host, and gain the House 1d3+6 Influence. The winner receives 3 Glory.
New Rule: Add +2B to Cunning tests made to see if the saboteur is successful.
New Rule: If your saboteurs fail they never result in Influence loss.
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>>3515734
New Rules: Initial investment in this Holding grants the Connections Benefit for up to three cells of spies. A cell may occupy a single domain—it is possible for multiple cells to operate in a single domain, granting a +3 bonus to all Connections rolls for discovering information per additional cell in that domain. The invocation of this Benefit is done during House Actions, but is not considered a House Action. Each time the Connections Benefit of a cell of spies is employed, it requires a Cunning test to determine whether those being spied upon discover this fact. This test is at Routine (6) Diffculty for those with a Law of 30 or lower, and a +3 Difficulty per 5 points of Law above that. If this test fails, the cell of spies is compromised and lost. With two or more degrees of success on this test, the identity of the spy cell’s master become revealed as well. A public revelation of a lord possessing a spy network results in the loss of 1d3+3 Influence. Your House also gains access to the Spy Cell Infiltration House Action.
New Rule: This Improvement may be purchased multiple times. For each such purchase, the Holding grants two additional spy cells. Newly created spy cells are created in your domain, and must then be sent to infiltrate other domains, via the Spy Cell Infiltration House Action.
New Rule: Cunning tests to detect your spies receive a -1D penalty.
New Rule: If your spies fail, they never result in Influence loss or exposure of your House’s involvement.
New Rule: This is treated as though the Lord (or whoever is the gang’s point of contact) has the Connections Benefit for the Community and domain. (This information handling is adjudicated as though it were the Spy Network Holding.)
New Rule: Should large-scale conflict threaten, the Thugs can be mobilized in 1d6 hours to serve as a Trained Criminals unit.
New Rule: The cost of putting tournaments on is reduced by 1 and the cost of each award given during the tournament is reduced by 1. Influence gained from a tournament is increased by +2.
New Rule: The tournament master can identify any noble from any known nation as his house, and can answer any of the questions in the “Herald’s Lore” sidebar about that House.
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>>3515737
A fair few of these new rules aren't that amazing but I imagine that most of us want a competent spy + sabotage force to fall back on if anything goes wrong.

Also the Great hunts and Tournaments are a way of greatly improving our influence (which we can, thanks to some of these purchases, turn into cash or population for example) at a cost of some cash.

Not to mention I made the choice to spend 25 wealth on a Engineer+commander that can also improve our production of siege weapons. Again though, because these can be taken with relatively little opportunity cost, I saw no reason not to grab more or less everything.

I will say however the bonuses to defensive holding build times, military unit damage and so on are pretty good.
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>>3515760
Next there are the upgrades for our existing holdings in our lands, at a cost of 45 wealth in total:

1) Scholar personage: School
2) Steward personage: Skilled Overseer <----Might want to drop this one but I think the ability to turn any resource loss into a loss of wealth (which we have a near endless supply of) is quite valuable.
3) Fishery: Processing; Whaling; Fishing Fleet.
4) Animal Husbandry: Shambles; Woolworks or Leatherworks.
5) Herb fields: Perfumery or Dyeworks.

These purchases come with the following benefits:

House Fortunes Roll Bonus: +1
Resource Loss Mitigation: Influence +1, Wealth +2, Population +3.
Resource Gain Bonus: Influence +1, Wealth +4, Population +3

New Rule: Any loss of resources from a House Fortune roll to be subtracted from other resources at a 1:2 conversion, meaning twice as many total resources will be lost, but from other resources.

These are honestly some of the best upgrades in terms of pure resource performance but lack any sorts of military or other such benefits.


I have additional ideas for monetary expenditure but they are dependent on answers to my questions in >>3514705 or on being given permission to look into purchases that require resources besides wealth. Any questions or advisement? Also holy shit that is long, I might honestly delete this given it's a good 1.5 screens of text all from me...
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I should remind you much of these rules will be streamlined because the system is incredibly bulky.

All the investments provide benefits beyond mere mechanical benefits, such as the school providing you with a less illiterate workforce and glass gardens preventing your castle holding from starving during winters.

There will also be possibility of NOT using those holdings and upgrades at all and instead going for something based on new innovation entirely.
One example is that if you were to scrap the ship and take the engine off, you COULD use it to power a factory of sorts.

Alternatively, you could look into coal refining in order to create petroleum and Asphalt roads.
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>>3515640
>>3515638
Ok, I want
Artisan Craftsman (Sorcerous) Holding, granting a House Fortunes Roll Bonus +1, as well as reducing the cost of magical goods listed in this book (and subsequent Chronicle of Sorcery supplements) by 25% for members of the House
Sorcerer Personage (qyburn) for 10 wealth 2d6+6 months gives +1 House Fortunes and is also the one to serve as mentor
with Renowned Consultant for +5 wealth 1d6 months, for Resource Gain Bonus: Influence +1, Wealth +1
Sorcerous Library
costs +5 Wealth, 2d6+12 months,
It provides access to a single Lore, two Arts within that Lore (or from common Sorceries), and six Techniques from those Arts
Additional lore*:+5 Wealth; 2d6+12 months.
Add one Lore to those that can be researched in the library, as well as a single Art and two Techniques from that Lore
Additional Spells*: +1 Defense, +4 Wealth; 2d6 months.Add one Art from any of the Lores available in the library, and three Techniques from any of those Arts to those available from the library. Alternately, simply add five Techniques from any of the Arts available in the library

And then we fill it to the brim with

Common sorcery (for all the warding)
Alchemy (the price is gold and we have plenty of it)
Talismanic Sorcery (same as above gold and super rare ingredients - but the hammer of waters itself will be the best shit ever for this)
Wortcutting (the price is rare plants and we already have all the abilities to be a fucking great woodswitch or warlock as it needs knowledge and healing)
and Astrology for our first Maester.

but we are not touching blood and spirit magic with a fucking bargepole.
now why all of this? this allows us to select all the best spells of low effort and of varying types of price we might be willing to pay (gold, specific ingredients, plants, time etc.) for shit that is quite nice (wards, dousing, etc.) but also for some of the qualities we can gain.

Averting Adept needs Will 4 and allows 1s to be rerolled on averting tests
War Mage I gives us another +1 to averting when using our (one) favored one handed weapon
War Mage II needs fighting and Will 4 but adds Will to Combat Defense when doing spellasting, and spellcasting now also counts as dodge

Sorcerers Gaze allows us to use Will in Intrigue techniques

Mostly all of those are a excuse to effectively buy Qyburns loyalty with the best library of such things money can buy and the resources to go at it, while we get warding and perhaps herb magic or some other low cost shit and the nice bullshit that is War Mage and Sorcerers Gaze. Dousing might also be nice in becoming a resource radar if we figure out magical resonance of the resources we want.
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>>3515809
and we might want to get a new fast ship and have a huntsmaster go for exotic creatures. scouting them and then leading us to them to hunt down and bring as both trophy, study aid and crafting material.
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>>3515808
>I should remind you much of these rules will be streamlined because the system is incredibly bulky.
Entirely fair.

>All the investments provide benefits beyond mere mechanical benefits, such as the school providing you with a less illiterate workforce and glass gardens preventing your castle holding from starving during winters.
Yeah I know but it is far harder to quantify such benefits compared to a statement of fact or a hard-and-fast number.

>There will also be possibility of NOT using those holdings and upgrades at all and instead going for something based on new innovation entirely.
Yeah but that'd take time to develop and honestly I've got ideas for that too but again, this is only stuff we can do without purchasing any new holdings that actually require a space in our lands since we have so few of those and I imagine any use of them would be contested.

>One example is that if you were to scrap the ship and take the engine off, you COULD use it to power a factory of sorts.
I considered it but I want to keep our ace-in-the-hole ship rather than a relatively sound economic investment given the fact money is about to be worth far less to us.


Also I'm still going through additional PDFs, all of that is just from the "Out of strife, Prosperity" PDF.
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>>3515824
Mutilating the one steampowerd ship that grants us great power status is not to be given any real consideration until all our other forces are the equivalent of at least two such ships.
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>>3515833
I mean, when that engine can by itself run like 1000 power looms by itself (which would need to be built, yes), one has to question whether or not one wants a ship that can sail against the winds sitting at your coast at skeleton crew or a factory that can easily fulfill the fabric demands for the whole continent by being able to produce a hundreds of thousands of meters of fabric every single day.

Provided there are no material shortages, one could feasibly provide the cloth to get suits for the entire population of King's landing in less than a week.
That is the power of factories and an industrial society.
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Yeah I'll be honest I was looking through the magic and a fair portion of the stuff seems too situational / useless. I mean future-sight as a whole is kinda worthless to us although I suppose being able to find shit magically or reinforcing chambers or even entire buildings against magic could be good.

I'll leave the magic to someone else and only comment that it would quite nice if we could make a bunch of talismans to attach to our gun like the afghan do with their guns and shit.

>>3515935
Do we have the designs for power looms to hand? Also that point about material shortages, that would honestly be the thing to stop us given our relatively remote location.

Although we could admittedly resole that by instead reducing the number of power looms and perhaps having some other industries also be ran off of the single engine or something...
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>>3515942
You would need to design them, but like 0,5 hp powerloom isn't unrealistic.
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>>3515942
You do know that Ebola summoning spell from /pol/ if it helps.
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>>3515990
Okay, I just wanted to be sure.

>>3515992
Such dark and powerful magic is not meant for this world. Also, it probably isn't a good idea to unleash such a violently infectious disease into a world with this level of med-tech.
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>>3516004
Let's be fair here, who's gonna miss the Summer Isles?
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Well looking over the Spark to power PDF, I've came to the conclusion that the Horse husbandry improvement I was already going to suggest getting is in fact far more essential than I'd considered given I want to focus on a cavalry heavy force of gunpowder troops to maximise effectiveness.

Also that we should really get the "Apprentice shop" upgrade for our gunsmith, since that'll provide a further reduction of 1 power which is going to add up to something fairly quickly. Not to mention some of the upgrades for the Powderman personage look pretty good, though I don't care for them effecting only 1 unit in the case of the damage upgrades, we can at least get +1 penetration for all our guns. If we stack those with the benefits of the Target yard making any trained non-naval gunpowder troops 1 power cheaper, we start to get insanely cheap but effective units.

Lastly, the section on the modification of fortified positions to deal with gunpowder actually makes my suggested Martello towers a highly appropriate defensive method given that "in-system", a tower is only supposed to mount 1 cannon unless it is given the "artillery fort" improvement which doubles it at the cost of preventing any lifestyle / economic buildings being attached. Plus it apparently renders them extremely sparse in terms of living quarters and shit so that'd be unacceptable to the knights we want to put in charge of them.

It also explains that a star fort is probably around 100 defence to construct, so we ain't doing that shit anytime soon.


>>3516107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfB7eI-cW4Y
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>>3516130
I wouldn't count too much on the numbers in the books as the system is so broken and clunky I've already ditched much of it.

Social combat and Warfare systems are completely gone for one and done with a more free form because Warfare was broken and Social Combat takes too long.
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>>3516188
Fair enough, I'm mainly going off of what is in these books because it's the only resource I can access that doesn't just come down to asking you some questions.
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>>3516241
You can always ask, but I mainly go by my gut feeling with this because of how broken the system is.

Did you know that the Warfare system in this ruleset actually comes with an infinite money cheat? Just use Slash and Burn every time you do warfare and so long as the enemy can't catch your asshole horsemen, you can literally cause ANY house in the setting to collapse economically. Provided they can't kill your horsemen, whilst you generate infinite money.
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>>3516314
>You can always ask, but I mainly go by my gut feeling with this because of how broken the system is.
Yeah but at that point you have to question why we even pretend we're using this system besides a mix of convenience, it being how this quest initially ran and shit. I get the idea of what a thing actually does being more important than what the system says it does (e,g schools aren't just a +1 to HR and so on) yet the problem is the distance between what I think an investment should do and what you, as the person who has to run this shit and all, thinks is reasonable.

>Did you know that the Warfare system in this ruleset actually comes with an infinite money cheat?
I'm not surprised. Honestly it's not the best written system but it certainly seems to do some things better than others. The house roll system seems like a fair bit of bullshit to me but still.
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Also in regards to the magic discussions from earlier, part of me does consider that if we learn enough about the darker magics, we might be able to "enchant" our soul through blood, animal and human sacrifices.

I mean it is a thing in-universe that a human life can be sustained by the leeching of a person's life-force. So if we did it to enough people, we might be able to live forever or to enhance parts of our non-physical self.

Plus there's always the possibility of making a few choice pacts with certain entities from beyond the veil. Gods, spirits, demons, ghosts and whatever else we can reasonably communicate with.
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>>3516851
No.
No.
No.
The extent of bloodmagic that is acceptable is valyrian steel reforging with chicken sacrifices.
That is it.
Maybe some way of diablorizing wargs or valyrian fire resistance/immunity and dragon affinity. If that is possible, as it ewould get us bloodline locked magical benefits regardless as what we incarnate.

No delving with entities that will get very interested in our soul. Not until we have masters all other magics and have the best magical defenses possible. And even then... I'd rather not.
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>>3516328
I am using it as a basis because I can't get rid of it at this point. I might do some more drastic changes when you die, but getting rid of the whole system when there is nothing to replace it is a recipe for disaster.
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>>3516959
>when you die
>when
don't you mean 'if'?
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>Blood oaths made

After spotting your vessel on the horizon, you saw that the Tyroshi fleet began to scramble and form their to war galleys into battle lines in the distance. From amongst the Tyroshi fleet, a small unarmed vessel flying the flag of truce approached your ship alone as the rest of the fleet stayed in their place.

He shouts to you from his vessel in broken valyrian.

[Well met! I am Captain Norys, scion of the great and noble house of Orelar, representing the Grand City of Tyrosh in service of the Grand Admiral Adaros of the noble and honorable house Rodinar!]

You had learned the tongue to an extent on your travels on the long night as you had studied High Valyrian, it was not overly difficult to pick up.
You greeted the

[Well met noble Norys! I am Ser Arthur Tallon, Knight of the Realm of the Seven Kingdoms, Lord of Port Maw and an initiate of 21 links. I trust you are here to parlay with us.]

The man looks taken aback by your statement

[We saw your that your ship flies the sigil of the man who sent word to much of the world, making threats upon our fair city and presumed you had sent a man to parlay with us as well, we did not expect you to show up alone.]

[I'm not alone, I got all my mates with me don't I?]

He chuckles to you in his silks

[Yes, I suppose you do. Regardless, I am here to bring you word that our city will not cave into threats of western lords and that we will defend the city with our lives.]

You smile at his reply

[That's well and good, I expected as much and respect your courage for doing so. Unfortunately, that means we will be coming to blows soon.]

[Then I ask you which laws of war do you plan on honoring in this conflict? Shall we be fighting like beasts or civilized men?]


> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.
> [ Amiable ]: We shan't aim for any commanders or holders of rank specifically nor shall we give chase to enemies fleeing from battlefield save if they will violate our blockade and we shan't stop any who wave the flag of truce from aiding the wounded save in the event that you seek to abuse our mercy.
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
> [Write-in]
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>>3517164
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
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>>3517164
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
Though I expect we will also not randomly massacre or shoot at white flag ships without a reason.
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>>3517164
>> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
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>>3517164
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
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>>3517164
>[ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
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>>3517164
> [Write-in]
>mix
"Anyone participating in the fight are valid military targets. Those who waved a flag of truce or surrender or unable to fight are free to leave the battle. Those who are rescuing the defeated and wounded are to have a white banner showing at all times as to show that they are the neutral party in the battle. Those who swim towards my ship for safety will be stripped of everything and ransomed as prisoners of war. However,if anyone uses rescue ships or pretend to surrender as a surprise attack,the terms will be change to total destruction as the laws of war laid has been broken."
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>>3517164
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honorably surrender to us.
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>>3517164
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.
changing
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>Not going for maximum pompous arrogance with your single ship.
You fight like a peasant!
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>>3517164
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.
We want to do one battle that will crush the sport of every other fleet. We have no one to ransom us.
Tradition is a shit choice. Either go for amiable if you are a cuck or let slip the dogs of war and be to Tyrosh what nukes where to japan. Turning them from invading foreigners into weird fetishist with a massive inferiority complex, and make everyone scared shitless of us and the hammer so that they will pay and not bother with the fight as we will simply bathe in their good and laugh!

And to whom do you offer civilized warfare? To uncivilized slavers hiding behind legal fictions that profit from kinapers of our people?
Should we lose do you think we will end as anything but slaves or sacrifices?


No quarter given! No quarter asked!
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>>3517164
also changing
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.
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>>3517164
> [ Amiable ]: We shan't aim for any commanders or holders of rank specifically nor shall we give chase to enemies fleeing from battlefield save if they will violate our blockade and we shan't stop any who wave the flag of truce from aiding the wounded save in the event that you seek to abuse our mercy.
:)
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>>3517164
Massacre
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>>3517171
Butt fuck it.
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.
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>>3517174
Changing vote to
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.

No mercy raise the dragon banner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltWxPZ_w3MM
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>>3517164
>[ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.

good points, changing too, fuck these guys.
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>>3517164
> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender.

GET HIM A BODY BAG!!

Though should we take some nobles alive for some extra ransom? I want to bleed these fuckers for as much money as possible..
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lol no diplomacy and full on war criminal, I mean of it works for dothraki...
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>>3517241
Between us and the Dothraki the Free Cities can't seem to catch a break... btw Rad what're the chances that we could capture and ransom lords to their families for some extra cash for both us and our crew?
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>>3517239
If you pick massacre, you don't take any prisoners, you will literally shoot anyone and everyone until the city surrenders, including the rich and the powerful.

If you pick tradition, they have the right to surrender as prisoner, of course in a naval battle there's not that many to begin with and you can just let people go if you don't have room in the brig.

If you pick amiable, you will spare the enemies that surrender or flee and you let them save the sailors adrift by ships you sink provided they don't try to do jewish tricks on you.
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>>3517164
> [ Tradition ]: We shan't torture prisoners nor shall we execute them. You have the rights of ransom for all who honourably surrender to us.

What would our peers back home think of us killing all those slaves manning their ships.
Do you think they would ironically use Westerosi slaves to work their ships? And for every one we sink...
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>>3517243
we are not getting into boarding range.
we would need a fleet.
and plus we dont need to demand ransom from captives we have a whole city captive anyway.
just avoid killing them and let them retreat in horror - those high officers that survive.

the best possible result is lots of dead crew and lots of surviving officers with ptsd
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>>3517248
>>3517164

I change from
>>3517225

To amiable then
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>>3517248
Well in this case,

switching >>3517226
to Amiable.

If we are already going for the full-of-himself posh asshole, might as well go whole hog. If anything, leaves a message we wont rape them if they fulfill our demands.
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>>3517243
There are no lords, but there are nobles.
All warships tend to have at least one man from a noble family aboard as commander of the soldiers aboard that ship.

If you look the battlefield for like rich people adrift, it's entirely possible you can find some and throw them on a brig, or if you are feeling gentlemanly borrowing them a skiff for the end of the war in order to foster some respect amongst them.
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>>3517164
>>3517207
You make a good argument Sir, you have my support!
>Massacre
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> [ Massacre ]: This will be a total war. There will be no regard to rank or titles. Whomever is in our path will die until you surrender
We will not compromise with those who hold our brethren in bondage
This is the Arthurian Crusade. We are righteous the enemy is not. Until the enemy surrenders there can be no accord.
Have we not trained our men to consider the Tyroshits monsters? And now to offer succor to those who profit the most from the situation we are here to correct?
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>>3517265
You do realize most of the pople on board those ships arent actually slaveowners? More than likely lower class or slaves themselves? Same with most of the fighters aside the mercs, but even those guys are unlikely to be slavers.

Instead, would it not be nobler to show them a better way and destabilize their state from the inside with new ideas? Yes it would. Especially compared to galvanizing the slaves and slavers against some outside mass-murderer.
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>>3517269
The nobles for whom the agreements are made are members of slave owning families. Crews may not be, but this is about the noble officers.
As for the crewmen? This is war, soldiers die.
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>>3517271
This is about letting ships retreat vs sinking every last boat we see. Simple math says a lot more slaves die this way. Likewise, a lot more slaves are saved if we dont sink everything.

Not only will we maintain the high ground, have better relations with the city (especially with simple folk) but we will also show we are not unreasonable in our ways. If we put up a demand and beat up Tyrosh over it while not murderfucking them all, sends a pretty clear message to others that we can be dealt with without massive loss of life and profits - exactly the thing we want.
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>>3517272
Murderfucking them also means we are so unreasonable and unstopporable that it is best to just give in to our demands and not have us start shit.

But if you want to de-escalate things going amiable is indeed better. It will however force us to do a long wait time in other cities we might wish to also extort and embargo, as with reasonable people you can drag on the negotiations and make it a endurance contest.

Not so with unreasonable people who might start randomly bombing shit for being kept waiting.
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How much among do we have left at home?
Do we have enough for potentially a second major battle and fleet sinking?
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I have a question y'all.
Who is rowing the Tyroshi warships?
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>>3517285
changoing to
>Amiable
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>>3517164
>>3517248
Okay. Changing (again).
> [ Amiable ]: We shan't aim for any commanders or holders of rank specifically nor shall we give chase to enemies fleeing from battlefield save if they will violate our blockade and we shan't stop any who wave the flag of truce from aiding the wounded save in the event that you seek to abuse our mercy.
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>>3517285
Probably very little, considering we packed all we could in the ship. At the very least not enough to do a similar trick any time soon.
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Boy,I sure do hope none of the slave rowers in the Tyroshi warships are westerosi's.

Our countrymen arms are too spindly and weak for rowing.

Am I right guys?....Right guys?
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