So news! I'll be moving not next week, but the week after- so we'll have a thread May 1, but probably not on the 8th. We'll see how it pans out, but right now that's what it looks like. Still, I'll update on twitter if I can. Archive here! Anyone looking to catch up, you can really ignore anything that isn't part of the reboot- you may see characters with the same names, but that's about as far as anything in the original 2k16 run is going to matter. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Strike%20Witches%202016I think that's it, so let's get going! =====================================================================After your long flight, broken only by the short stopover at Elmendorf, the shower feels about as close to paradise as you’re comfortable with, A lot like a good shower after a tough game- or better, a good ice bath. Of course, you don’t get to change into comfortable, if worn, civilian clothes, with a debriefing to go to as soon as you’re able to make it to the rooms upstairs, and of course there’s the already-traditional dinner to go to. It’s getting fairly late, but no so much so that you can’t get a decent dinner somewhere. Distantly, you wonder where Lotus would want to go. Changing into a pair of duty khakis, you give yourself a once-over in the small mirror in your locker, noting that you don’t look too tired, and that a good cup of tea should get you through the rest of the day without a problem- and without throwing your sleeping pattern into complete chaos. Lotus is waiting for you by the time you get out, her own clothing decidedly less military, with a pair of tight bluejeans below a simple white T-shirt and a pair of sneakers. She looks you up and down. “Damn.” She says, nodding appreciatively. “Your family really does have all the good genes. I feel kinda like I’m under dressed and way outta my league.” She laughs, though you’re pretty you detect actual nervousness and self-consciousness buried in there. Still, she walks next to you up to the classroom upstairs, where the colonel is already waiting. He checks the wall clock, then looks back over at you. “Took your time, Lieutenant.” He says, simply. “Next time do me a favor and don’t spend so long in the shower.” “Sorry, Sir.” You say, and he shrugs it off. 1/2
“It don’t matter anymore. Just don’t do it again. Miss Earhart, we’re really going to have to see about uniform issue for you.” He says, looking at her attire- which, while plenty presentable enough, certainly isn’t regulation, even for witches. “We’ll get it handled later. Let’s go over your flight. What made you decide for an inland route up to your refuelling anchor?” He asks. “The Air force has more access to radar coverage over the country than they do out over the open ocean.”  We were trying to outguess them, sir. We knew they’d have better land-based radar, but we figured they’d be focusing their air search efforts over the coastal waters.  We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460583>[X] We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460583> We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460580>[x] We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460583>[x] We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>[X] We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460583>[x] We were trying to outguess them, sir. We knew they’d have better land-based radar, but we figured they’d be focusing their air search efforts over the coastal waters."The more land-based radars they had, the lower the chances of them having something like an AWACS in the area as well."
>>3460580> We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.
>>3460583> We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.STEALTH GOOSE
>>3460583>[x] We were trying to outguess them, sir. We knew they’d have better land-based radar, but we figured they’d be focusing their air search efforts over the coastal waters.
Ok, votes closed!
[x] We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir. If they’d have found us over the ocean we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range. “We wanted to be able to hide in the terrain as much as possible, sir.” You say. “If they’d have found us over the ocean, we could have had a welcoming committee waiting when we hit the range.” He nods. “That was their game plan, too. The first hard fix the air force got on you was off the Canadian coast when you were tanking, and because of peacetime ROF, they weren’t able to maintain it when you went out to sea.” He says. “The RCAF is saying they had a radar fix on you over their territory southwest of Calgary, but they weren’t able to maintain the track for more than about ten minutes.” You nod, noting that your plan worked out about as you’d hoped, though you are a bit disappointed to learn the Canadians were able to track you that far. You’d figured they were doing so, of course, but you’d still hoped you were able to disappear sooner than that. Even ten minutes is more than enough time to vector an intercept. “There was no further air force contact until you were in the range.” the colonel says, finally bringing up the projector to show the terrain map of the Alaskan test range with the radar picture from the controlling AWACS aircraft overlaid. “None of the Alaskan early warning network was able to detect you, which means you were able to slot through some very small gaps in the coverage window, probably no more than five minutes before they got raptors in place to cover them. If you’d have continued overland, they’d have probably made you with this pair up here, near chicken. Fortunately for you, the defensive commander didn’t listen to the post commander of Elmendorf.” You nod again- there’s more than one pair of raptors along the Canada-Alaska border, though most of them are in the southern part of the state. There’s markedly fewer along the sea coast- though the radar stations at Fire Island and Unalaska cover a large part of the southern coast. “That leaves us to your range entrance. You decided to leave your active suite off, and rely on passive sensors. Why?”  We only had fixes on four radiating sets, sir, and were worried about possible backup.  Passive was going to be more than enough, sir. We knew where their radiating sets were and after they were engaged it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because of the battlenet.
>>3460671>[X] Passive was going to be more than enough, sir. We knew where their radiating sets were and after they were engaged it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because of the battlenet.
>>3460671> Passive was going to be more than enough, sir. We knew where their radiating sets were and after they were engaged it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because of the battlenet.
>>3460671> We only had fixes on four radiating sets, sir, and were worried about possible backup.
>>3460671>[x] We only had fixes on four radiating sets, sir, and were worried about possible backup.
>>3460671>[x] We only had fixes on four radiating sets, sir, and were worried about possible backup. Pretty sure this was our actual reasoning at the time.
>>3460671>[x] Passive was going to be more than enough, sir. We knew where their radiating sets were and after they were engaged it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because of the battlenet.
Man, we're getting pretty good at doing things by the numbers aren't we?
[x] We only had fixes on four radiating sets, sir, and were worried about possible backup. “We only had fixes on four radars, sir, and we were worried about possible backup.” You say. He nods. “As it happens, they were supposed to have a pair of B-1Rs up there with them, but both of them were grounded before they left mountain home, and they were using the better part of the raptor fleet they had available as their picket force.” “At this point you engaged the only conventional assets they had in the range, the four lightnings. You got one of them clean with a sidewinder, range control saw the whole exchange there. Of course, they broke away when their backup showed up.” He narrates, as you watch the little arrowhead shapes move across the projection- you don’t recall it being nearly that fast paced, but the screen is a faithful rebuild of the events, built off the range sensors and data network. One of the lightning markers winks out as the computer declares it ‘dead’- and four more markers arrow into the twisting fight. “That witch element was lead by Air Force Captain Erica Young, one of their best witches in Alaska. Her partner, the one you got the kill on, here, filed her AAR from FOB Nome, and has indicated her disbelief that you’re a rookie Wyvern jock.” He gives a tight little smile there, pleased enough. “They’ve got a reputation that you broke- they’re accusing us of lying and sending in a veteran wyvern crew.” He moves the display to the next segment, where you reengage the lightnings. “So what happened here?” He asks. “Range records two clean kills on the remaining lightnings, but the third escaped the range complex. Any reason for that?”  I felt it was better to remain defensive, sir. The witches had caught up and going for a kill seemed unnecessary if we chased him out of the range.  We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.
>>3460779Harhar, very funny. Just noting that we haven't pulled a Frank and decided to kill everything. We've been doing this more like Special Forces, getting in then getting out with destruction applied in just the right location so that it decimates enemy positions yet leaves us with ordnance in our bays.
>>3460791> We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.
>>3460791>[x] We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.
>>3460791> I felt it was better to remain defensive, sir. The witches had caught up and going for a kill seemed unnecessary if we chased him out of the range.
>>3460791>[X] We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.
>>3460791>[x] I felt it was better to remain defensive, sir. The witches had caught up and going for a kill seemed unnecessary if we chased him out of the range.>Her partner, the one you got the kill on, here, filed her AAR from FOB Nome, and has indicated her disbelief that you’re a rookie Wyvern jockSmalltime
>>3460791>Wingmate to youngspawn>Can't believe that she got whacked by a rookie and a civilian
>>3460791>[x] I felt it was better to remain defensive, sir. The witches had caught up and going for a kill seemed unnecessary if we chased him out of the range.
>>3460833I'd watch that.
>>3460791>[x] We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.Also>Youngspawn was the Wyvern Slayer>Dunked their record and didn't even know it nor care.TOP FUCKING KEK.
>>3460825>>Can't believe that she got whacked by a rookie and a civilianTo be fair, I would be shocked as well.
>>3460791 We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.
Ok, votes called!
>>3460791>[x] I felt it was better to remain defensive, sir. The witches had caught up and going for a kill seemed unnecessary if we chased him out of the range.We do what Maman tells us. Remain defensive. Hold back. When war comes. When our allies are in danger, that is when every piece of intel the enemies have on our flying becomes irrelevant.
>>3460860Thirty seconds late. Nailed it.
Aw, missed my chance.>>3460791>Her partner, the one you got the kill on, here, filed her AAR from FOB Nome, and has indicated her disbelief that you’re a rookie Wyvern jock.”see pic
[x] We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target. “We didn’t have time to kill him with the witches there, sir, not if we still wanted to hit the airfield target.” You say, seeing Lotus nod out of the corner of your eye. The colonel nods too. “Not a bad call.” He admits. “You were able to drive him out of the range, and the rules of engagement meant that he was unable to reenter. Of course, he also landed at Nome with less than a thousand pounds of fuel left, well below the air force’s peacetime ROF limit for that training range.” He turns to the display, pointing at it. “Your bomb run on the airfield was less than stellar, however. Under normal scoring, that would be fifty out of a hundred at least. There’s some runway cratering, but the soviets during the war proved they were more than happy to use steel planking to repair damage like that, so had this been the real deal, odds are you wouldn’t have knocked it out for more than a few hours, at best. There were clean hits on some of the aircraft targets there, damage estimates you’d have knocked out three for good and taken at least five more offline for the short term. No damage to major base facilities, so the air control tower and the hangars would have remained intact.” You nod- you’d known when you made the run it wasn’t going to be worth full points. “The commando team got out of their aircraft without a problem, and their dropship was able to exit the range without incident, so full points there.” He turns back to you and the display shuts off. “All in all, Lieutenant, not a bad showing. Do either of you have any questions for me?” Lotus nods. “Yes, uh... sir.” She says, hesitating for a second. “What am I supposed to do now? I don’t have anyplace to stay or anything like that, no one’s told me much of anything besides our meeting this morning.” He nods. “I was going to get to that after we get done with your flight debrief.” He says. “Do you have any questions about what you just did?”She shakes her head. “Oh, uh. No?” The last word comes out as a question more than anything, as if she’s not quite sure. “What about you, Lieutenant?” He asks. “Any questions?”  No sir.  Yes, sir. (Write in)
>>3460884>[x] No sir.
>>3460884> Yes, sir. (Write in)"Are we going to do simulated fleet defense missions against long-range Anti-ship missile attacks launched by bombers? The Soviets were fond of that during the War."
>>3460884>[x] No sir.Eh, we've proven that we're decent at air to ground in previous hops. Not the best, but still a whole lot better than Frank.
>>3460884>>3460897While I suspect his answer will be "I can't say" I'd still like to ask this.
>>3460884>[x] Yes, sir. Are we being marked down for not finishing the remaining three witches, despite out-flying them?
>>3460884>[x] Yes, sir. (Write in)Why were the B-1Rs grounded? Did they find something in the previous crash that made them make that call or was it just to be safe?
>>3460905Switching to this>>3460906
>>3460897>>3460902It's not related to what we just did, which is what the Colonel is asking about.
>>3460884> Yes, sir. (Write in)"Were we marked down for not knocking out or at least driving off the other three witches?"
>>3460884> No sir.
>>3460884>[X] No sir.
>>3460911Then I completely misinteperted that. Regardless, the point does stand, the fleet will want to know how we fair against strikes like that. We know for sure that at least one missile attack dealt major damage to the Saratoga, plus since Iceland got invaded by the Reds just like in Red Storm Rising, if the series of events that follows is accurate to the book, then that means a joint American-French battlegroup got its teeth smashed in.
>>3460884>[x] Yes, sir. (Write in)Why were the B-1Rs grounded, if you don't mind me asking?
[x] No sir. “No, sir.” You say. “Good. Now, You’re slated for a reflight with Commander Peterson tomorrow.” He says. “That will take place in the NTTR again, and will be an afternoon flight. After that, you’ll have final crew selection and the beginning of your workup phase.” You nod. “Until then, You’re free. Lieutenant Commander Earhart, you’re expected to remain here until after selection, at which point we’ll get you sorted out. Clear?” She nods. “If I’m not selected, what happens?” He smiles. “Well, right now there’s another Wyvern pilot about to start selection, and he’s due to hand in his wish list on Thursday, day after tomorrow. How do you feel about the Marine corps?” She laughs. “I’m fine with them.” She says. “So I may be doing this again?” He nods. “That reminds me, Lieutenant. We can’t release any witches on your list for flight before your final crew selection. If you no longer feel it’s necessary, we’ll cancel the reflight with the commander and you can make your final crew selection. However, because of the workup, it’s either a reflight or a flight with an alternate, we can’t allow both without a damned good reason.”  “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.”  “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)
>>3460988>[x] “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.”
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)I'd say Young just for the hell of it, because well, the MC and Young both come from pretty badass Lineages.
>>3460988>[x] “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.”We do. We botched the intended mission.
>>3460988>[X] “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Young)We already know what Danielle can do and discussed this at length.
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)>WendyWhy not?
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)Wendy would be fun just to see how it would go, but I'm not against Young either.She got her run. Pains of being the first.
>>3460988 “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)
>>3460988>[x] “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.”It's the right thing to do.
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Young)DESU, we can extrapolate what Danielle can do from our botched flight with her. Now it's time to see if we have a shot at mixing two great pilot families together.
>>3461010Young, sorry, forgot choice
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with Young“ We did get a feel for Daniel's ability, it was on us that failed, not her
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Wendy)I don't really expect her to be a proper pick, but I want to see how we perform.
>>3460988> “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)I really want to fly with Wendy because she's one of the few returning characters from 69.I know we voted to give Danielle the reflight last time but we absolutely must choose one or the other I would rather see Ghost writing something new.
>>3460988> “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.”
>>3460988>[x] “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Young)
>>3460988>[x] “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ >[x]Young
>>3460995Na, they botched telling us what they wanted us to do
>>3461047Either way, it was admittedly botched.
>>3461049You're not wrong, though specifically I would say the mission itself was not botched - just didn't give the people watching the show they wanted but didn't tell us about. I think what we did might have been a better test of her magic anyway.
I think that going with Young might be the better option just so we can get an idea of what she has to offer. Who knows it might even be fun.
Coming to think of it guys, this is a pretty major decision, would you prefer if I left this one up overnight to discuss, or do you want another post this evening? I'm game for either, though I do need to make some food here, haha!
Let it run overnight
>>3461077No one's going to change their mind on this, so discussion is worthless.Prolonging the voting phase would only allow others that couldn't make it yet to vote or samefagging to start.
>>3461077I'm happy with either. I'm just sitting here working on my own things.
>>3461083I'd beg to differ, its about dead even actually.
>>3461085It only looks dead even. There's a pretty split vote on who specifically to take as an alternate. Also, I do want ghost to have more time for questions rather than trying to belt out another post.
>>3461085Perfect ground for samefagging. This vote should've never come up.It was already hard enough to get it down to three and now that "fight" is essentially moot.
>>3461069Ehhh, I dunno. Young's stated talents on paper was sensors and detection, sounds like more of the same thing we got from Danielle and Lotus with a slightly different flavour.Wendy has racing and test pilot experience and has the ability to push equipment beyond it's normal operating limits. Which I assume to mean performing higher than spec without destroying itself or operating while damaged. That sounds way more interesting and game changing like Kyou to me because you're starting to edge into things that should be impossible. That ability is *exactly* what would have saved us from a lot of trouble in the previous quest.
>>3461094I don't disagree. That's why I want to see Wendy. I don't consider her a serious contender, but it wold be interesting to see. Plus we don't need the extra flight with Danielle. The mission didn't go how the brass wanted, but she did her job well.
>>3461077I'd say another post
>>3461077Nah, ultimately I kind of want to just get to final crew selection at this point.
>>3461077Post more, we need to keep moving.
Ok, cool. votes called, post going up. >>3461113>>3461117>>3461118>>3461094>>3461089>>3461084>>3461083
[x] “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir- I owe the commander another shot.” “I’d rather keep the reflight, sir.” You say, after a moment’s consideration- Wendy, you know, is a champion air racer, and the things she’s gotten her, admittedly heavily modified Spitfire to do is unreal, and Young- well, it’s hard to be in aviation without at least a little recognition of the family name. “I owe the commander another shot.” He nods. “If that’s how you feel about it, that’s fine Lieutenant. Your reflight is tomorrow, wheels-up at fourteen hundred. With that figured out, you two are dismissed. Lieutenant, why don’t you and the commander go grab chow somewhere and then you can take her by admin and get her her keys to her quarters. Commander Earhart, you’ll be staying on post at least until the weekend, a little longer if Lieutenant Baker also wants to fly with you.”She nods. “That’s all. Dismissed.” He says, and you close up your own notes, standing and walking out behind Lotus. She pauses in the hallway, turning to look back at you. “So, dinner?” She laughs. “I’ve never been ordered on a date before.” You shrug. “It’s kinda a thing.” You admit. She nods. “Oh, no, I get it. Get to know each other and all. Makes sense. So if you don’t mind, there’s this place down by the aircraft carrier they turned into that museum, they make the most amazing burgers, oh my god.” “Santas?” You ask, and she nods excitedly. “You know the place!” She says. “Oh my god their burgers are so good. Even their veggie burger is amazing, and they’re one of the only places that can make a good veggie burger that doesn’t make me hate my diet. Do you want to go there?”  Sure, sounds like a plan.  I was thinking someplace else- maybe some place closer?
>>3461144>[x] I was thinking someplace else- maybe some place closer?Santa's feels sacred for some reason. We can cook The Chili for a potential backseater, but Santa's just feels too much.
>>3461144>[x] Sure, sounds like a plan. Wonder if the old man is still running the place himself.
>>3461144>[X] Sure, sounds like a plan.
>>3461144>[x] Sure, sounds like a plan.
>>3461144> Sure, sounds like a plan.
>[X] Sure, sounds like a plan.You never know, we might run into some familiar faces.
>>3461144>[x] Sure, sounds like a plan.We've had a special dinner with each. Family, Intimate dining via the military, let's take the casual homestyle girl to a restaurant our family considers home.
>>3461144> Sure, sounds like a plan.>>3461148no, it was stated he passed, IIRC
>>3461144 Sure, sounds like a plan. BORGAR
Ok, votes called! This will be the last one of the night, guys.
[x] Sure, sounds like a plan. You nod. “Sure, sounds like a plan.” Lotus unleashes the brightest of smiles- you can imagine it’s won her more than a few admirers. “Oh, great! Let’s go though, I’m really hungry!” You nod again, leading her through the admin building to the front doors, where you’re stopped by the sailor on duty. “Excuse me, lieutenant?” You turn, and he holds up a set of keys. “Colonel Jackson called down, sir, said you were going to need to use one of the cars for a couple hours to head into town.” He very carefully doesn’t stare at Lotus, though you can clearly tell what he’s thinking. “You’ve signed one out before?” You nod, waiting for him to pass you the clipboard, where you quickly sign your name and rank, and destination. Since you’re just going to dinner in town, you don’t bother filling out the return date box- you’re not going to be gone overnight. The seaman accepts it back with a nod and hands you the keys. “The gray one, sir, second from last off to the right out of the doors.” “Thanks.” You say, turning to walk out of the building, pausing when you exit to put your cover on your head. “Oh man, it’s nice out.” Lotus says, stretching, arching her back and sucking in a lungful of air. “I could get used to this place! Palmdale is always so hot.” You do have to admit the climate here is pretty nice- it’s far less humid than home, at least. The pair of you walk over to the gray sedan- a four door dodge that’s probably about ten years old- and climb in, noting that it’s got about three quarters of a tank of gas. More than enough. “Man, I can’t imagine how busy they’re going to be with another wyvern startup.” She says as you pull off base. “I wonder what would happen if they didn’t lock out witches from selection. Like, if two pilots both picked the same witch.” She laughs. “I guess that’s why they do that though. Seems like a recipe for trouble if they didn’t. Kinda stinks for us though, I mean, if you’re picked for two trials. Paid leave only lasts so long!” You frown at that. “They don’t count it as getting activated?” you ask. She shakes her head. “Nah. Well, not normally. You go on a leave of absence if you’re reserve or whatever and get called up. I just took some paid vacation time to come down here, but I’d have to extend it if the other guy wants to fly with me too.” She shrugs. “I guess it’s ok, I’m getting a paycheck from the navy for the time I’m here too, so it’s not too bad.” You nod. “That’s good.” 1/2
“The worst part is that I guess they kinda arrest you if you’re selected as a crew.” She laughs. “The colonel said they take away all your privileges to leave the base for a little while, and you get shuttled around by some marines or something.” You nod- the same rule applies to you. For the first month or so after your witch is plugged, you’re both pretty closely monitored by a mental health team and the security personnel. It’s not unheard of for people to react poorly to the MIU link and attempt to desert and run in panic before they’ve gotten used to it. You’re better trained than that, but you can see where they’re worried about Lotus- she is, effectively, a civilian afterall. “Oh well.” She says. “I guess it makes sense, with how much money they’re putting into you if you do get selected and don’t back out. MIU jacks can’t be cheap!” She laughs again, then looks at the skyline of the city. “Oh man, San Diego is always so pretty at sunset.” She says. “I get down here a couple of times a year, and I always try to eat at this place when I do. Their burgers are amazing, Morgan.” You nod, with a slight smile. “I know.” you say. “I’ve been there a few times.” “Oh you have? Awesome!” She says, laughing again. “So you know how good it is! No wonder you were so easy to convince. They’ve got so many good burgers there, it really makes me regret being on a diet.” She laughs again, patting a thigh. “After this morning I’m really going to have to watch it, too! man, watching all that flub go racing for the bottom in high-G is the worst.” That earns a slight grin. “So how often do you get to eat here?” She asks. “I mean, this is the first time you’ve been in Sandy Eggo, right?”  I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out. Just a couple times, when I’d come visit family in the area.
Ok guys, that's it for the night! Just as a heads up again, we'll be carrying on into Saturday this week to make up for the late start. I'll be around a little to field questions if you guys have any, though I'm going to be packing a couple boxes and getting a couple things sorted, so I may be slow to respond or not be on at all again till tomorrow!
>>3461222>[x] I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out.
>>3461222> I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out.
>>3461222>[x] Just a couple times, when I’d come visit family in the area.
>>3461222>[X] I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out.>>3461226Thanks for the run boss.
>>3461226Thanks for the run, Chief. Can't wait for that re-flight.
>>3461222>[x] Just a couple times, when I’d come visit family in the area.>>3461226Thanks for the run Ghost!
>>3461222>[X] I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out.>“I’ve been there a few times.” >“I mean, this is the first time you’ve been in Sandy Eggo, right?”OK, now she's a little too airheaded.
Sessions over, post waifus.>>3461110>That's why I want to see Wendy. I don't consider her a serious contender, but it wold be interesting to see.Agreed. I'll admit I did have an additional motive for voting that way. Beyond being a returning character who didn't have much time to shine and the whole waifu thing, I think Wendy deserves a chance because this might be her one and only opportunity to fly in a wyvern. She is by far the oldest witch on the current SIO candidate list and it's doubtful that any other pilot would pick her without the familiarity we already share. On the other hand if she gets to fly with us she'll be proven to be one of the witches good enough to fly with a Bishop, just maybe not the *best*. Oh well, maybe she can still be a test pilot for Merlin or something.>>3461077>>3461226The vote is already over but I think you could have handled that better. By my count Danielle reflight won with 9 votes, but Young had 6, Wendy had 3 and there was one vote for a new flight that didn't state a preference. If you add up all of the non-Danielle votes it would have resulted in 10 vs 9. But since you're apparently counting each subchoice separately it was doomed to fail from the start. It's also awkward to begin with because it's a reversal of a previous vote where the majority chose to do a reflight and it was already confirmed in character.Not begrudging the result or anything (I DID vote for a Danielle reflight several threads ago) but it just seemed awkward to me.
so after I've watched the new strike witches episodes...I have to wonder, how large of a lady boner would Young get when she realizes that our dude is a cook?
>>3461313I agree. The whole way it was handled was just awkward.
>>3461313I have no preference for Danielle, but the majority only chose to consider a reflight, not to lock one in, and that vote was without the “either or” caveat. I’m just pleased that the selection isn’t being dragged out for an extra week.That said, I could see the vote being a little more representative if it eliminated the lowest option in a first round and just showed the top 2 for a second round of votes... not that I care enough about this to want to spend this much time voting. Is this what moderates feel like? They must be such hollow creatures.
>>3461690I agree, honestly I was hoping to see Young and going by the votes, Danielle technically lost. Doesn't feel right if you know what I mean.
>>3461866Honestly the whole selection process has gone on long enough already. We need to actually move forward with the plot now, which means re-flight with Danielle and then crew selection.
>>3461949Oh for the love of God, I am saying that based on a technicality we should not have our reflight with Danielle because as >>3461313 pointed out, in terms of votes for Danielle and non-Danielle votes, Danielle lost by one vote. Yet due to the way that >>3461127 tallied the votes, it was effectively rigged.
Is that a harsh thing to say? Perhaps and maybe, its overly harsh, but its just, ugh, I hate it when results get skewed like that because they got counted a certain way however when you counted them a different way you get totally different results.
>>3462185Hi, welcome to voting systems. The are all inherently flawed, you just have to pick which flaws you're okay with.
>>3462185Really, I just looked at it as rather than a two option vote, a three option vote, which is very common, and not rigged. Danielle’s reflight won the three option vote.
>>3462198>>3462217Yes all voting systems are flawed, but the way I saw this one was as a two option vote in setup, not a three option vote had there been three options specifically listed instead of two options with the second one being open-ended, I wouldn't be having a problem, hell if this wasn't as major of a decision then I wouldn't be having a problem. But since it was setup in the way I see it as a two-option vote and a major decision, I got a problem with the result.
>>3462260The way I am going on about this might have something to do with where I live which is Florida and let me tell you, vote recounts happen during almost every election year and they have sometimes caused the result of political races to flip.I guess I am also not happy about the way it was executed since it was such a big decision.
>>3462260Well, as a teacher, I always tell my students that Every question is a reading question. You won’t believe how many questions students get wrong because they didn’t properly read the instructions. Even on math tests. Read the instructions, and make sure you know exactly what the question is.
>>3462260I'm with this. I won't lose sleep over the result, though. I just feel like if Ghost was counting it as a three option vote, then doing the flight with Wendy or Young should have been separate options.
>>3462286I am in complete agreement, had a flight with Wendy or Young been separate options, I would concede the point, even if I am not happy about the result. But with the setup of the vote, I am not happy about the result because of how it was setup and executed.
>>3462301>>3462286It was perfectly fair. It actually says in the vote option: “I want an alternate flight, sir- I have a pretty good grasp on what the commander can do, and I want to fly with... “ (Select either Young or Wendy)>(Select either Young or Wendy)Ghost made it perfectly clear that it was a three option vote.
>>3462286>I just feel like if Ghost was counting it as a three option vote, then doing the flight with Wendy or Young should have been separate options.The alternate flight option specifically said to select either Young or Wendy
>>3462360Well shit, I actually didn't notice that part. Not surprised actually. Its the lead-up for Finals Week at College, between studying working on final projects and such, it turns your brains to jello. So what I thought was a two option vote was actually a three option, god I feel like I made an ass out of myself.However, I also feel that at the very least we should give Young or Wendy a shot. It doesn't feel right otherwise if you get my meaning.
>>3462417Stop bitching because you can't read.
>>3462439He got the point. You didn’t have to try to drive it home so rudely.
>>3462440Yeah I got the point, just, I should've seen it better. Ugh, but that's college finals for ya I guess.
Ok guys, votes called!
>named after the vain queen Cassiopeia in Greek mythology, who boasted about her unrivaled beauty.Threadly reminder.
[x] I’ve had it a few times, when we came to see Dad’s wife come home on cruise or one of my sisters went out.“I’ve had it a few times, when we came to town to see Dad’s wife come home from a cruise or one of my sisters going out.”“Your Dad’s wife?” Lotus asks. “That’s- “ She pauses. “Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot.” You shrug. “No big.” “So I guess you don’t get along with them?” You have to think about that one. While there’s never really been any mistake you’re not any of their kids, they’ve never been cold or distant, either. You’re more like a stepson to most of them, and all of them dealt with it differently. Rachel was never afraid to yell at you when you deserved it, or include you in family activities when they happened, Katya was just as willing to include you in her schemes as she was your sisters. Ice was perhaps the most standoffish of them, but even she was happy to talk, at least when you got a little older, and your conversations turned to the navy. You’d always gotten the opinion she would have preferred it if the navy was a more professional body, but it’s hard to argue with tradition at this point. You’re also not too sure how much you want to tell her- you did just meet her, afterall. Still, you can’t imagine she wouldn’t get friction with parents, even if yours is probably of a different sort.  We get along well enough, I guess.  Dad’s side of the family never was real comfortable with me.
>>3462892>[x] We get along well enough, I guess.There's never been any indication as of yet that they don't get along with us. In fact, given the circumstances, we get along rather well.
>>3462892>[x] We get along well enough, I guess.
>>3462892> We get along well enough, I guess.
>>3462892>[x] We get along well enough, I guess.>>3462905While I'm with you on that we haven't seen any of the old 89 waifus yet. They may not be as enamored with us as the siblings are. I'm sure we'll learn in due time.
>>3462892[X] We get along well enough, I guess.
>>3462922In this post Ghost literally described our usual interactions with all 3 said waifus. Take that as you will.
>>3462929... Huh, so he did. I missed, that entire post somehow basically. I need more sleep I guess.
 We get along well enough, I guess. “We get along well enough, I guess.” You say. “I grew up mostly with mom, I only really lived with them as a young kid before she got out.” Lotus nods. “Yeah, I know how that goes. I never really spent much time with my dad either.” She shrugs. “No sense in worrying about it, though, right?” You nod. “Yeah, probably not.” “Oh man, I’m so hungry!” she says, changing the subject away from family. “I think I may cheat on my diet just a teensy bit here, I don’t get to eat here much. Just when we’ve got something we’re flying into or out of Halsey field or Miramar. It’d be pretty exiciting to be based here, if it works out that way.” She laughs, suddenly. “But I guess wyverns aren’t really based anywhere, are they? What did you think of the flight this morning? It seems strange they sent us out so far, especially if they knew I could do that. The wyvern’s alright as a multirole airplane, but it seems kind of wasted doing that.” You blink- you’d been thinking along the same lines. Of course, you kept coming back to one end user that may want that kind of thing- SOCOM. Long range, incredibly precise flying over hostile terrain to hit a specific target or raise hell in a particular block of airspace... you can see where they’d apply it. Of course, you have no proof of that, and given the focus on limiting collateral damage, the fleet would probably be just as happy to use it- you could whack an airbase in Syria or a terrorist leader’s compound in Pakistan just as easily and deniably as anything else, and shoot down anything trying to stop you to boot.  I think it’s SOCOM.  Not really, not for targets in hard to hit spots.
>>3463082>[x] I think it’s SOCOM.
>[x] I think it’s SOCOM. Those guys are probably foaming at the mouth at the idea of a dedicated Super-plane support asset for all their Spec Ops needs.
>>3463082> I think it’s SOCOM.
>>3463082>[x] I think it’s SOCOM.Ghost subtly letting us choose our future mission profiles. I see what you're doing there...
>>3463082>[x] I think it’s SOCOM.If this is subtly, or not, letting us choose our future mission profiles I am all for doing some SOCOM work. They're good people.
>>3463082> I think it’s SOCOMI KNEW IT! COMMANDO WYVERNS!
>>3463082>[x] I think it’s SOCOM.The idea of the son of the mother of night flying the world's deadliest fighter for air support must have the SOCOM community harder than terminator armour.
>>3463082>[x] Not really, not for targets in hard to hit spots.
>>3463082> I think it’s SOCOM.More power to the SF Boys
ok, votes called!
[x] I think it’s SOCOM. “I think it’s SOCOM.” You say, realizing, of course what that means- SOCOM was very much your mother’s haunt. The more you think about it, the more it makes sense- who else would ask for that kind of mission profile? You’re sure of it, and, as you park the car, you realize that it means you’d be very firmly in her sphere of influence. She may have been out for almost twenty years, but she, like your father, is very much a thing of legend- and unlike your father, still throws her weight around some. “Really?” Lotus asks, then nods. “Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But do you really think I could fly with them? I’m a civilian, right?” You shrug. “You’re cleared into the wyvern program.” You point out- there’s enough top secret data about the fighter that you can’t imagine she wouldn’t qualify for whatever SOCOM wanted, either.” She nods. “Yeah, and I guess I do enough flying for skunkworks too.” She says- which, of course, is a good point as well. She’s probably cleared into more programs than you are, all told. “Oh man, I’m starved.” She says, starting towards the front doors of Santa’s, where the hostess is standing by her station just outside on the front deck. “Hiya!” She greets. “Two?” You nod. “Is there a spot on the top deck?” Lotus asks, and the girl looks down at the screen embedded in her podium before nodding. “Mhmm!” She says. “Follow me.” “Oh good!” Lotus says to you. “I love it up there, you get the sea breeze and it’s not as loud.” The top deck is pretty quiet already. It’s fairly late on a weekend night, afterall- all that’s up here is tourists, for the most part. You make out a couple of military families, and you can feel the eyes lingering on you, though you’re the only one in uniform. With Lotus in civilian clothes, it’s a lot harder for them to make you out, you think- you look like any other Lieutenant Junior Grade. You take a seat near the exterior wall of the building, one that’s got a few pictures- including a few you recognize. One, taken just postwar, with all of VF-3 together- a squadron picture, taken in front of the paired wyverns of the unit. Lotus catches your gaze and blinks. “Hey!” She says, perhaps a bit more loudly than you’d like. “That’s spellcaster, right? Your dad’s unit.” It’s only poor timing that your waitress was walking up at the same time. She looks down at you and smiles. “I was wondering if Stacy was right.” She says, smiling. “You ready to order, Morgan?” “Wait... They know you here? Like you’re a regular?” Lotus asks, looking back and forth between you and your waitress.  Yeah.  Not really a regular, no.
>>3463293>[X] Yeah.Let's be honest about it.
>>3463293>[x] Not really a regular, no.
>>3463293>[x] Not really a regular, no.Can't really honestly say we come here enough to be a regular, but they do know us. Put it politely like that.
>>3463293>[x] Yeah.Frank probably takes any excuse to come here when possible, and chances are that we get roped in with him.
>>3463293>[x] Not really a regular, no.Morgan isn't, but Frank certainly was.
>>3463293> Yeah.YOU HAVE A REGULAR, DON'T LIE
[x] Yeah. You sigh, then nod. “Yeah.” You say. It’s not the whole truth of the story- you’re not really a regular in that they see you very often, maybe once or twice a year, at best- but there’s a very strong military connection here, especially to the wartime members of a few squadrons, including VF-3. There was really no way around it- they knew who you were when your dad brought you here for the first time back in the 90s, and they’ve known ever since. “He’s not going to tell you the whole story.” The waitress says with a smile. “We watched him grow up.” You sigh again, ordering your usual, while Lotus orders what is, perhaps, one of the most unhealthy things on the menu- a Sloppy Jessica. While you don’t blame her, you’re also pretty sure it constitutes cheating on her diet more than a little bit. “They watched you grow up, huh?” She asks with a smile. “So you’ve been here more than a few times.” You shake your head. “Not really. Dad used to bring us here when we were seeing Ice or Stasya or Lilya off on a cruise, or welcoming them home from one. Never more than a couple times a year.” “But it’s been spread out for a long time.” Lotus says, nodding. “I get it.” She laughs. “See, this is the kind of thing I wish I had, instead of what mom’s name gets me. Hollywood house parties are alright, but mom was never much better than B-list at best, and she’s nowhere near that now.” She hakes her head. “Kinda wonder what it would have been like if she hadn’t sided with Jane against the rest of the US.” She laughs again. “Of course, it doesn’t help that I didn’t follow her, either, and took my commission. Never could quite bring myself to sign on the dotted line to really join up though.” She smiles. “And now look where I am!” “World works in strange ways like that.” You say, and she laughs again. 1/2
“Who are you telling!” She says. “Oh man, if I’d have told the guys at the plant I was gonna see Merlin Wells and fly with Morgan Bishop they’d have flipped. Wells is still a legend at the plant, they miss her.” She laughs. “But I guess I understand, from how they made it sound, she’s a real sweetheart. Hard not to love her, right?” You nod. “Yeah, that does sound like her.” You say. Lotus laughs again. “I wonder if I’ll get a chance to meet her?” She says. “I mean, it sounded like we just missed her this morning.” “I’m sure you will.” You say. “She’s heavily involved with every Wyvern startup.” “Oh, so even if we don’t mesh, if the other guy wants to fly with me I might meet her then?” She asks. “Cool! Yeah, according to them she’s like everyone’s crush and kid sister rolled into one package.” She laughs, smiling. “Of course, that plant’s full of a bunch of engineers and fab guys, so anything with nice curves is gonna get a lot of attention. They all bitch every time I go on vacation!” She laugh again. “What about you, what do you do for fun?”  I like to travel, mostly.  Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.  You know. Little bit of this, little bit of that. I like trying new things.
>>3463464>[x] Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.
>>3463464>[X] Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.
>>3463464> I like to travel, mostly.
>>3463464> Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.ALL AMERICAN HOUSE HUSBAND
>>3463464>[x] Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.pic related
>>3463464> Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.
>>3463464> Mostly cooking and the occasional bit of hunting, used to do sports but haven't had the time lately.
>>3463464 Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess
>>3463464>>[x] Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess.
>>3463464>I like to post on imageboards
>>3463635>Morgan the oldfag
[x] Cook, play guitar, play some sports. the usual stuff, I guess. “Cook, play guitar, some sports.” You shrug. “The usual stuff, I guess.” “Really?” She sounds surprised. “I’d have figured you were out doing all kinds of things with your parents being who they are and all, no offense.” You shrug. “None taken.”“I guess you probably did, now that I think about it.” She says. “Travel a lot, that kind of thing. Right?” You nod- being fair, you did- you saw plenty of your aunts in Japan, for example, spent some time in France while your mother was working with the DGSE, that kind of thing. She nods, knowingly. “Yeah, so it’s not as fun cos it’s always family. I get that. It’s like being in Hollywood for me. It gets old after a while. You said you play guitar?” You nod. “Oh cool! what kind? Electric?” “Either.” You say. “I learned to play blues guitar early, but I’ve picked up other styles. I still play mostly blues though.” She nods. “I can see it.” She says with a smile. “So do you have it with you?” You shake your head. “No, they’re at my mom’s house in Louisiana still.” “Yeah, that makes sense.” She says. “Too easy to get damaged moving around all the time. I guess I’m lucky like that, I haven’t moved around much. Just to Palmdale when I got hired, and I’ve lived there ever sense. I guess that’s not much of a move for you, is it?” She laughs. “I mostly lived with my mom full time.” You say. “I’d spend a couple months in the summer up with dad’s family, and there were a couple summers I spent with my Aunt Jessica in Japan with my sisters.” “Your aunt Jessica- Oh right, the princess consort?” She nods. “I met her once, we were doing a demonstration for the imperial military with the F/B-22. She’s pretty high energy, I liked her a lot. The rest of them were pretty quiet though. At least when we do a demonstration here, the generals are pretty talkative.” She laughs. “And flirty! Well, kinda. They always seem like they’re willing to make a pass, but when you flirt back they lock up!” She pauses. “Well, I imagine if YOU flirted back they wouldn’t know what to do, but you know what I mean!” You nod. “Man, I’m going to be glad to get back to the plant after this!” She says, laughing. “They’re never gonna believe I got to replay the party trick! Ah, and getting to fly in the Wyvern, man.”She shakes her head. “Better than sex! Well, almost. Depends on who with, I guess.” She looks about ready to say something else, but the waitress comes back with the food and drinks- ice water for you, a coke for her.  What makes you think you’re going back to the plant? So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?
>>3463670> So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?
>>3463670>[X] So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?
>>3463670> What makes you think you’re going back to the plant?NO, SUNSHINE GOOSE, DON'T LEAVE
>>3463670>[x] So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?
>>3463670>[x] What makes you think you’re going back to the plant?Merlin might snap her up, she could use an actual test pilot for her navy-funded wonderland.
>>3463670>[x] What makes you think you’re going back to the plant?
>>3463670> What makes you think you’re going back to the plant?
>>3463670>>[x] So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?She seemed pretty stoked about possibly being chosen to backseat a Wyvern, seems odd that she's already talking about going back to lockmart.
[x] So you don’t want to fly for the Navy? “So you don’t want to fly for the Navy?” You ask- though your timing is off, she’s already digging into her sandwich. Her eyes get wide and she makes a choking noise before shaking her head- though it still takes a minute for her to finish chewing and take a drink. “Oh, no, no! That came out wrong.” She says, laughing. “I mean, if I go back to the plant. I mean, I knew what I was getting into when I signed up for the program, at least, I think I did.” She laughs. “Being in the navy will be a change, though, that’s for sure. I’m not used to all this saluting and sir and ma’am and stuff.” She shakes her head again. “I don’t mean I don’t want to fly as part of a wyvern crew, just that, ya know. I’m still not sure about the whole military thing to do it, ya know?” You nod, kind of understanding- it would be a hell of a culture shock for her, it sounds like. You grew up too surrounded by it to ever really have a problem with the culture- plus, as much as you hate to say it, who your parents were meant you were afforded a bit of leeway in certain areas. Of course, they pushed you harder at Annapolis for it- and you were never cut an ounce of slack on the field or in training, up till now- but at the same time, a lot of people were probably a lot more friendly than they would have been if your name wasn’t Morgan Laroux-Bishop. A lot of people with a lot of rank. For her, you imagine it’d be the flip side of that coin. Probably nowhere near as bad as you heard Wendy had it- especially not if she was crewing a wyvern- but still. “I mean, I don’t plan to back out if you or that other guy want to fly with me till the end of days or whatever.” She says. “Just- ya know. I’m not going to be literally destroyed if I don’t end up in a crew, too.” She shrugs. “A little disappointed, maybe, but I’m still flying cutting edge jets weekly, so it’s not that big a difference. I just don’t, ya know. Have to worry about killing people.”  So you have doubts?  Yeah, I think I get it.
And that's gonna be it for the night from me, guys! I know I'm calling it a bit early here, but I'm going to dip off to play warframe with a friend of mine- his aunt ain't doing so hot, and he needs some cheering up- and what's more fun that blasting some grineer to pieces? Haha. I'll be around later, probably, but we have some writeups on the way in, so there's something to make up for me taking off early! Till tomorrow guys!
>>3463823>[x] So you have doubts?
>>3463823>>[x] So you have doubts?
>>3463823> Yeah, I think I get it.
>>3463823> So you have doubts?
>>3463823>[x] Yeah, I think I get it.Jokes aside, it's normal to not want to actually kill your fellow man.
>>3463823>[X] Yeah, I think I get it.>>3463832Thanks for the run boss.
>>3463823 So you have doubts?
>>3463823>[x] Yeah, I think I get it.>>3463832Thanks for the run Ghost
>>3463823>[x] Yeah, I think I get it.
I think I've finally finished the second chapter of Watcher's Wings. I'm not sure the first chapter got much viewership, so I'll post a link to it so that people can catch up. I'm going to try to do this the old fashioned way, posting the story directly into the thread. As always, comments and criticisms are welcome.With that said, here's Chapter 1, and let's get to it.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNqlSi5iQtU671O9Lp9fXIFZzqDJ0ugHEeJRHu7NyMM/edit?usp=sharing==============================================Diana strapped herself into her seat, making sure her seatbelts were tight as they prepared for their landing approach. They’d been told to loiter for a short time while they waited for an AC-130 to land. According to the information Thompson had gotten, the 130 was just stopping off before continuing to some airbase on the West Coast, although which one they were going to he hadn’t been told. His voice came on over the ship comms. “Alright ladies and gentlemen, the spectre has landed, and we’re cleared. Put your tray tables up, and make sure your seatbelts are buckled. The stewardesses will be doing a final check to make sure all safety precautions are taken care of before we make our approach.” The entire crew simultaneously turned their heads to look at Captain Harel, strapped tightly into her own chair. She only gave a nod.
>>3463881Most of the crew took it to mean that Thompson would get a stern talking to after they landed, and Diana was certain he would. Despite their grins at Thompson’s fate, they also knew that Harel was nodding to confirm her safety check. She could see every crew member, and as the de facto stewardess of the crew, she took it upon herself to make certain of their well-being.The now familiar feeling of her stomach rising against the almost negligent G-forces which accompanied their casual descent to the Airfield. It subsided as her body got used to the downward movement. When they touched down on the airstrip Diana felt the dull bump, followed by immediate pulling as the aircraft put on breaks and reversed thrust. The reversed exhaust roared outside the fuselage next to her ears, shutting out any other sounds as her body pressed against the straps.As the aircraft finally slowed to a casual roll, Thompson easily guided it off the runway and to the north apron. They parked in the open, abreast of the other four Sentrys currently stationed at the reserve airbase. Diana unstrapped herself and stood up, stretching her arms and legs as she always did after each flight. She didn’t much like sitting down that long, and was eager to be out of the aircraft. Unfortunately, per protocol, she and Captain Harel had to stay in the plane even after everyone else was out. Well, she didn’t, but Harel wouldn’t let her leave until the rest of the crew had, save for Thompson and Marckel in the cockpit, who had to run through the pilot’s post-flight checklist. Still, despite her eagerness to leave, she walked to the hatch with Harel, standing at ease next to her and giving each crewman a “Good job!” or “Well done!”, just so she had something to do while Harel gave them each a pat on the back and a quick snap about their performance that mission. Once they were all through the exit, and laughing and joking at the bottom of the stairway, Harel turned to Diana. “You’re free to go. Meet up in the main briefing room at fifteen hundred for the debrief.”Diana saluted, “Yes ma’am.” Then walked out the door and down the stairs to the tarmac, ready to take her free time. She didn’t look back, knowing Thompson was probably in for it. As amusing to watch as that would have been, her watch told her it was only thirteen hundred, giving her about two hours. That was enough time to grab lunch. It was just as good, because magic operations always made her hungry. It was a little far, but still technically walking distance. With a wave to the guards, she left the base from the north exit on Arnold st. crossing the bridge over highway forty. She turned left, and with only a few blocks of walking she made it to Cheddars.
>>3463898She walked inside to the familiar stone walls and friendly booths of the restaurant. She was sat at one of the booths by the window and a waitress gave her a glass of water. She loved the menu here. She didn’t have to look long, as she already knew what her favorite item was. She was about to signal the waitress that she was ready to order, when she heard a rather loud voice from the doorway.“Yeah! She’s a friend!” Diana looked in the direction of the cheery voice, and saw two bareleged girls in uniform, obviously witches. One was tall and lanky, with black hair and bright amber eyes. She looked a little hesitant compared to her friend, who was obviously the speaker. Said witch was short, had ear-length reddish blonde hair, bright blue eyes, and an impossibly friendly smile. She was also waving at Diana.Diana checked around just to make sure, but there was nobody in the booths near her, and furthermore, a waitress began guiding the two witches to her table. They sat down across from her at the booth. The waitress ran off to grab them both glasses of water. Before Diana could ask if they knew each other, the loud one answered her. “We’re friends. You don’t know us yet, but you look like a friend.” Diana couldn’t really think of a response. “I, uh, I don’t underst-”She was cut off again. “It’s fine. You’re wearing a uniform, we’re wearing uniforms we gotta be friends one way or another, so why wait?”Diana couldn’t get a word in through this girl’s vocal attack. As the waitress came back with the waters, she continued. “Ah, of course! We can’t be friends if we don’t know each other’s names. You’ll have to forgive me for that, I always forget to do it first.” She reached her hand across the table, and Diana shook it with apprehension. The handshake was firm, vigorous, and for some reason Diana felt it relevant to note that there was absolutely no feeling of malice in it whatsoever.“I’m Tabby! Pleasure to meet you…” She said, pausing so the befuddled brunette could say her own name.“Diana.” She reciprocated simply, then looked to Tabby’s so-far silent companion. The girl gave her a polite, but not quite warm smile. She extended her hand, and gave a rather light, formal handshake.“My name is Piper. I’m sorry about my companion here. Apparently she grew up in a soundproof house.”“Actually, I didn’t.” Tabby said with a chuckle, seemingly feeling the need to correct her partner. “You wouldn’t believe how many complaints we got from the nei-” She stopped at a glare from Piper. “I’m doing it again, aren’t I?” She asked Piper, clearly aware of herself to some degree.
>>3463909Nodding, Piper finally responded, “Yes, you are. Diana, I’m terribly sorry we interrupted you. We won’t bother you anymore. Thanks for bearing with Banshee. Not many people can manage.”Tabby looked almost hurt for a second at Piper’s comment, but seemed to brush it off just as quickly, returning to her constant grin. “Yeah, sorry about that. Family didn’t have a talking spoon or whatever people use. It was really just whoever was loudest got heard.” She explained. Diana noticed her voice increase in volume ever so slightly with each word in the sentence.Right as the two got up to leave the waitress returned. “Ah, are you two leaving? Did you tell your friend what you want to order?” The confused waitress asked. Diana knew it was probably more trouble than it was worth, but out curiosity she interjected. “Actually, they’re not leaving yet. So, uh, what did you two say you were having?”Piper immediately shot Diana a look of intense apology, knowing that she couldn’t prevent what was about to happen. Tabby’s eyes lit up, and she immediately sat back down, looking through the menu. With a sigh, Piper joined her, and Tabby practically shouted, “I’m still looking! You go first, Diana.” Diana knew already what she wanted. She ordered the country fried steak and gravy, and gave a grin and a nod to the pair across the table. Taking the hint, Tabby immediately ordered the same thing without letting the waitress finish writing down Diana’s order. Piper waited for the poor girl to get their two orders down before she simply asked for a salad.The three made surprisingly polite conversation. It was clear it took a lot of conscious effort on Tabby’s part. Even knowing how hard it was for her, she actually did a very good job of keeping her voice -for the most part- civil. Whenever it got a little or a lot too loud, she’d get a glare or a subtle warning from piper to keep her in check. The one thing Diana was sure of was that Tabby never had a single problem keeping her volume up for the drill sergeants in boot.“I haven’t seen you around base before.” Diana stated. “Are you a new Sentry Crew?” Piper shook her head. She was about to respond, but Tabby got there first. “Nope! We crew the AC-130J. Piper here is-” “Classified.” Piper cut her off. “For OPSEC, you probably shouldn’t know exactly what we do.” “Ah, right. Yeah. Sorry Puffin.” Tabby said, clearly mentally scolding herself. It only lasted for a few seconds though, as that’s when the food arrived, and Tabby took a great big whiff of the aroma of country fried steak.
>>3463925Diana thought she was a pretty fast eater, but Tabby had cleaned her plate before the AWACS witch was halfway done. The conversation had died away when they started eating, and the three of them sat in relative silence. Diana had grown up on the east coast in a family that loved seafood, so she was well versed in the best of it. There wasn’t a question in her mind however, that even the best seafood couldn’t hold a candle to country comfort.She didn’t know if it was something about the spices they used, the overwhelming smell of mouth-watering fried meat, or the wonderfully savory gravy, but she really loved the kind of food in the middle of the country more than what she had at home. Too soon it was all gone. If she didn’t have company, she’d probably have licked the plate clean.Still, her plate was empty. She looked up hoping to continue the conversation, and noticed that Tabby had disappeared. She turned to Piper, who was just finishing up her salad. “Where’s, uh…” “Banshee?” Piper input when Diana blanked on a name. Diana gave her a thankful smile, but before she could continue asking the question she just about jumped into the restaurant’s ceiling.Tabby had materialized out of nowhere, right where she’d been sitting previously. There was no sound, no warning, and no explanation. Diana tried to figure out where she’d come from when the grinning girl happily explained. “Don’t worry, I’ve been here the whole time! That just happens when I calm down.” Piper nodded to reaffirm her companion’s statement.“We’re all used to it.” She supplied, referring to the AC-130’s crew. “It’s one of the reasons we let her keep talking.” Diana thought about it and came to the conclusion that it made… actually a lot of sense. If that happened when she calmed down, at least if she kept up the tirade of conversation, they’d always know where she was.Noting that they’d all finished, the waitress showed up once more and collected their plates. She put down the check for them before she left with their dirty dishes. As Diana started fishing for her wallet, Tabby slapped a decent wad of cash onto the receipt. Upon counting, it covered the whole meal, as well as a sizable tip. Before Diana could protest, Tabby interjected with her exceptional volume. “Thanks a lot for bearing with me! Don’t let me bother you again!” She and Piper then stood up, and as they started to walk away, Piper gave Diana the first genuinely friendly smile she’d seen from the raven haired witch.“She’s really excited to meet you again. Give her a call if you’re ever on the west coast and you’ve not been completely repulsed.” Piper then slipped a napkin in front of Diana with a phone number on it, presumably Tabby’s. Diana nodded with an honest smile. If she ever got the chance, this was the kind of excitement she could do with every once in a while.
>>3463936Diana watched the two witches leave, Tabby practically skipping out the door. Diana briefly wondered whether that was something she did all the time, or if she was particularly happy. She waited until the waitress had picked up the check, and told the girl to keep the change as well as the tip, drawing a delighted smile from the young lady.The walk back to Tinker AFB felt shorter than the walk to Cheddar’s, and checking her watch, Diana realized she had spent nearly an hour at the restaurant with the odd pair. With the walk there and back, she had only about twenty minutes before she had to be at briefing once she showed the base security her card.She sped up her pace as she walked through the base’s various administrative offices to make it to the primary briefing room. By the time she got there, most of the crew was already inside, save for Harel. She noted that Thompson didn’t seem to have any lingering effects from his post-flight reprimand, already laughing and joking with Marckel.Diana walked up to the pair. “So, puddin’, what did mother Harel tell you?” Without missing a beat Thompson responded. “Eat my vegetables, don’t leave the tray table up, the usual spiel.”“And don’t talk with your foot in your mouth.” Harel continued for him as she stepped into the room, followed by the ground commander overseeing the OP. Everyone immediately snapped to attention. With a short pause, everyone finally took their seats, Diana making her way to the front as usual. Harel had requested early in their time together that she stay up front, but more than that she really liked to see how the battle had played out from a more outside view, as she tended to get very focused on smaller details.
>>3463943Harel began the debrief. “This hop was a victory, but not without its problems, the same as usual. We only train once a month, but we have to keep our skills at the top. If they need us, we have to be able to help at a moment’s warning, and I don’t want this crew going into battle with months’ worth of mistakes ready to be made again.”She made a particular glance at Diana. “Lieutenant Rafke, your performance was good enough keeping contact with the key points of the operation and guiding in the strike package. You nearly lost Amur flight two clean kills, and in a real fight, that could get a lot of people killed on the wrong side.” Diana wanted to protest, but she knew her superior was right. She’d called shots early again. Even if she could see it, it confused the hell out of the pilots, and she’d very nearly lost both fighters of Amur’s second element.“However,” Captain Harel continued, putting on emphasis to draw her attention back. “We got a message from Buckley Air Force Base in Colorado. A pilot called ‘Jumper’, in this hop Amur’s flight lead, sends his thanks. He says without you Amur would be down at least one aircraft in that simulation, if not more.” Diana’s tense nerves were put a little more at ease, and she felt a mote of pride rise in her heart. At the very least she had be able to use her capabilities to help someone, even if it was just a training mission.“Thank you, Ma’am!” Diana responded. The ground commander then began his own debrief, explaining that the forces on the ground had been incredibly successful in their defense, in no small part due to the well guided strike package of Harpy flight.After the briefing was over, Captain Harel approached her. “You’ve got a good eye, and a better heart, Rafke, but you have to keep them in the right places in this job. Don’t lose focus.”Diana nodded as the rest of the pilots began to shuffle out of the room. Thompson muttered something about having to see an angry engineer, but she wasn’t really paying attention. “Yes Ma’am!” She eagerly replied.“Good.” The Captain stated with a lighter tone, letting her face lose its sternness. “Now all of you had better wash up before going home. And don’t forget to wash behind your ears!”========================================And that's it for this chapter. As I said at the beginning, comments and criticism are welcome! Thanks a bunch guys! (And Double thanks to ghost for letting me post in his thread)
Found more art for Lotus and Kyou. Still haven't located a good Danielle pic but I haven't given up yet.>>3462217>Really, I just looked at it as rather than a two option vote, a three option vote, which is very common, and not rigged. Danielle’s reflight won the three option vote.>>3462285>Read the instructions, and make sure you know exactly what the question is.>>3462355>It was perfectly fair... Ghost made it perfectly clear that it was a three option vote.>>3462439>Stop bitching because you can't read.You guys are missing the point. The vote was rigged BECAUSE it had three options, not because players are stupid and incapable of reading. The vote in favour of a new flight partner was very close and had to be broken out of a tie, so we already knew that slightly more than 50% of the readers are in favour of an alternate flight. The vote we just did accurately reflects this because 52% of the players voted for a new flight with either Young or Wendy. And yet Danielle still won despite not having the majority, you understand the problem here right? Whether or not he intended to Ghost rigged the vote because it was structured like this. The 49% of people who already voted for Danielle twice in a row aren't going to change their minds. If you then force the other 51% in favour of a new flight to pick one of two choices they instantly lose the majority that started this vote in the first place, it's a complete waste of time for everyone. The proper way to handle this would have been to vote between Danielle and "a" alternate when it became apparent that the two story paths would be mutually exclusive. That would pit the 51% vs the 49% in a fair vote that could still go either way. Only afterwards if alternate wins the vote then everyone gets to decide between Young and Wendy.In Ghost's own words "this is a pretty major decision" and I just think he could have handled it better.
>>3463956>slightly more than 50% of the readers are in favour of an alternate flightThat's just not true as it needed three votes to even get here. This is literally like Remainers want Brexit to be. Just revote until you get the result you want.
>>3463956Would you shut the cunting fuck up already.We voted for a reflight with Danielle way back, you tried to force it again, and lost, deal with it or fuck off already and stop shitting the threads up.
Not sure if it’s really worth complaining for days over who appears on screen before the Kyou vote.
I actually want to see the fucking story progress instead of staying in waifu selection tutorial
>>3463823>[X] So you have doubts?>>3463968>This is literally like Remainers want Brexit to be. Just revote until you get the result you want.>forgets that Leavers said they would push for additional referendums if the first one failed
>>3463823>[X] So you have doubts?
>>3464324Did they? I didn't know. Good to know that both sides are literally the same.
>>3463823> So you have doubts?>>3463968The previous vote was the first time we had the option to vote for an alternate witch: 9 vs 8.or 52.9% in favour. This is demonstrated again by the vote we just did that resulted in almost exactly the same ratio: 10 vs 9 or 52.6% in favour. Sure looks like "slightly more than 50% of the readers" to me.>Just revote until you get the result you want.I didn't ask for a revote. I'm only pointing all this out because I know Ghost is human and makes mistakes sometimes. Splitting a vote that you already know is neck and neck by making one side pick between two subchoices definitely counts as a mistake. The only possible way Danielle could have lost that vote is if every single alternate voter formed a psychic hive mind and voted for Young unanimously, so why have the vote in the first place if it's so set up to fail? Anyway I don't care about the result we got, I just thought I'd mention it so that he doesn't do something like that again with a more important choice than prologue waifus.Also have some more Lotus art. There's no shortage of nice Atagos but a rather large portion of it can't be used because it's too lewd.
Even though I missed the vote, let's be real - Young or Wendy didn't have much chance of a re-flight.After all, if Anons really wanted to see them in the first place they would have been amongst the three favorite options. Alas, the dream of a Bishop-Young combo will stay so forever.That said, I believe that Ghost should leave the final crew selection vote open for longer than usual. That way even those who don't live in Burgerland can effectively cast their vote.
>>3463823> Yeah, I think I get it.Fuck all y'all, this goose is precious and amazing and we're going to turn her into a savage and it's going to be AMAZING.
>>3464441Actually, we were told this was just a shortlist and we'd have options later to add.
>>3464408>>3464441Hit the nail square on the head. Ghost can still fix this mistake that he made but it has to happen in story, I hate it when stuff like this gets rigged. Maybe someone should point this out to Ghost.
>>3464585Yeah but the shortlist options were the more popular anyway. A chance for Young or Wendy to shine was close to zero past that vote.>>3464592Nah, it's not rigged nor this is a mistake.Plus this should speed things up a little. As much as I like character interaction this all-in-but-name Prologue is frankly tiring. The final choice should have taken place threads ago.
>>3464592We had this vote THREE TIMES. Enough is enough.
>>3464616Except the most recent vote was doomed to fail from the start due to the way it was setup and counted. As >>3464408 put it, the vote result for an alternate witch was 10 vs. 9 or 52.6% which while a slim majority is still a majority. Due to the way this was handled, I feel like those who voted and WON the vote are being cheated.
>>3464592He reads the comments. So he’s seen this repeated by a handful of people enough times to get the point. Doesn’t mean he will, or should, go back. If he effectively retcons a vote like that then it’s going to make people more bold about pushing for further revotes. This quest typically has a fairly comfy environment and it’d be a shame to see that disturbed by people who can’t let a vote go. I’d say more, but I’d be repeating myself and it’s annoying to read someone make the exact same points 3 or 4 times in one thread without adding anything new to the discussion (hint).On to a more important topic: we had a reference to Merlin’s curves in this thread. She has curves now? That seems borderline unfair to other contenders. Does she ever get tired of winning? We need more details on this.
>>3464631Fuck off, Hillary. You lost THREE times. Take the L.
>>3464631Dude, seriously. Shut up and let it go. It's done and over with and at this point the majority of us just want to move the fuck on with the plot.You being whiny and throwing a tantrum about it is not gonna make Ghost walk it back.
>>3464592>>3464631Dude chill out. I only posted those statistics as an example of how the vote was flawed and how to improve it for next time. Please don't use them as grounds for a crusade, everyone is ready to move on already.Ghost has hinted in the past that the SIO characters we don't pick may still appear again later, such as Danielle being hired by Merlin. If you really want to see Young or Wendy so badly there is every possibility that they could still join the quest at some point in the future. Young already had one cameo when we decisively dunked on her witch squadron, which makes me look forward to her expression if/when we finally meet face to face.
>>3464738Then apparently I suck at figuring out foreshadowing. In other news, think we'll ever have logistics screw us royally?
>>3464744>think the logistics for the navy's superfighter may take a crap?Nah, the navy would move heaven and earth to keep these birds flying. Even if it means press-ganging some attack subs into service as fast and stealthy transports. Add into that that we are the son of quite possibly the highest scoring ace in history (can't remember how many kills he got in the end) who may very well be flying with a Japanese princess. Plus Merlin has stated that she wants to return to the fleet, possibly working on our jet in particular. So she might just be able to magic up some of the more delicate and rare parts of the plane.tl;dr We're good. Even if there are supply issues with getting more of the newer model missiles to replace what we expend in combat, we will still get priority for whatever is at hand. We won't have to worry about having to haul sparrows into combat just because we ran out of AMRAAMs. Or some other BS.
>>3464823I actually think the title of highest scoring Ace in history likely belongs to Erica Hartman if she got anything like her OTL counterpart, Erich Hartman, which was 352 confirmed kills and a number of probables, that's unprecedented. Though Frank might just be the highest scoring Jet ace in history. Honestly, the idea of Merlin returning to the Fleet is interesting (the fact that she's a Rear Admiral is surprising), Merlin is actually one of my favorite characters in the Strikers-universe (outside of Goose)The later model Sparrows weren't bad, they weren't AMRAAMs but not bad either. Honestly, biggest concern is actually the gun ammunition, we have four guns each with probably about 250 to 300 rounds of ammunition. We will be going through that like crazy if we get into multiple WWI-style Furballs.
>>3464823>highest scoring ace in historyFrank only had 40-50 kills and he wasn't even the highest scoring ace of the War, just the most prominent.
>>3464905>we have four guns each with probably about 250 to 300 rounds of ammunitionYou forget Merlin added hammerspace for magically powered vehicles, we have quite a bit more storage space than what would normally be possible.
>>3464923Ghost mentioned that there's only a few of them around so it doesn't sound like a standard thing.
>>3464946Only forty Wyverns, yeah its probably not standard. Though I wonder if the J-20 if it shows up will be at first mistaken for a MiG-1.44
>>3465160I was referring to the bays in regards to them being on magically powered vehicles. IIRC, Ghost said in the first thread of the reboot that they could be installed on the Wyverns if needed, so it sounds like they aren't standard on Wyverns. As for the J-20 I doubt it since they'd have been well known for years at this point in universe, longer if they developed them sooner.
>>3465248You know, given the similarity between the J-20 and MiG-1.44 (needs a better designation for Strikers, MiG-33 or MiG-35 maybe?), it could be possible that in Strikers that the J-20 is a Chinese knock-off of the MiG-1.44.As for the bays, does that relate to to the ammunition drums as well. Also think you can fit a AIM-97 Seekbat in one of them bays?
>>3465260I mean we could haul some seekbats, but why would we when the AIM-152 has better range, performance, and is actually in service?
>>3465260>does that relate to to the ammunition drums as wellUnless something changed I'm pretty confident that's a no since the hammerspace bays only replace the weapons bays.
>>3465333I am not sure on the range department since it was originally built shoot down MiG-25s. It could be that the AIM-97 could be introduced as a counter KS-172. A dedicated extreme-range AWACS/Flying Barn killer.That said, an AIM-152 with Terminal Infrared Homing would be nasty,
>>3463823 Yeah, I think I get it.
ANd the vote is a tie! haha. ten minute tiebreaker!
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>3465886>[x] So you have doubts? I already voted though. Dice as alternative.
>>3465412Both YAIM-152 versions were slated to have a range of 185 km with an increase in range being expected in production models. I can't remember if the Hughes/Raytheon rocket-ramjet version or the GD/Westinghouse two-stage version was selected for production in SW89 though. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.The Seekbat only had a range of 90km, making it comparable to the later models of the sparrow and roughly in the same ballpark as the AMRAAM-C. Which is not good given it's size and weight.
>>3465906I'll accept it. Writing!
>>3465942True, though its operational ceiling was 80,000-feet, given the maximum service ceiling of the Eagle and Phantom, it might have about the same range if it uses the profile I think it does.
>>3465981In that same vein there is no real reason to adopt it, as anything that the seekbat could do could be done better by either the phoenix or it's replacement. Keep in mind that the Iranians specifically bought tomcats for the phoenix with the express purpose of killing foxbats. And according to research by journalist Tom Cooper, at least ten MiG-25s were successfully shot down with the phoenix.I'm pretty sure that the YAIM-152 contenders (and later production models) would probably use a similar flight profile for either longer-range shots or shots against high-flying targets.
[x] So you have doubts? “So you have doubts?” You ask. She screws up her face for a second, then shrugs. “Yeah, I guess I do. I mean, I know maybe it’s strange to you” She laughs a bit at that. “But I wasn’t raised in a really military enviroment, you know? None of the adults in my life had done any government service, and my mom... “ She trails off for a second. “Well, mom made it abundantly clear she didn’t like anything the government, especially the military, said. Ever. About anything.” She sighs, putting her sandwich down. “Maybe I should have accepted a military academy position, I was offered them, even after how she was back in the sixties, but I didn’t cos she raised such utter hell about it. I didn’t finally put my foot down till she started in on me about my job at lockmart.” You nod. “I mean, she’s been raising hell with me about signing up for the program. If she knew I’d flown with you, and I was actually being considered as part of a crew she’d lose her mind, probably be down here in however long it took her to drive down with some of her Hollywood buddies to start protesting and try to break in to spray paint slogans on the jet or whatever stupid thing they think will ‘send a message’” She says. “She doesn’t get that the navy doesn’t care, and when she threw all her toys out in a fit when we were in asia, she lost all credibility and voice.” “But she’ll still try to make trouble for you?” You ask. She nods. “She’s like that.” She says, kind of sadly. “But one thing she taught me I can’t shake is being honest about feelings with people. I’m not sure how I’m going to do in the navy, and I’m really not sure how I’d sleep at night knowing I’d killed people. But I’m not going to turn down the job if I’m offered it, ya know?” You nod, being able to respect that. You were taught differently, of course- you squelch things you know you can handle, and things you can’t handle haven’t come up yet. You suppose the closest thing to it you can think of is the bitter disappointment of losing the state championship your senior year- you felt that not only had you lost, but you’d failed the entire team. You’d gotten lucky in that the coach had made sure he was clear in how proud of all you of you he was- the old man had teared up in the locker room after the game. “Anyway, that’s enough of that depressing stuff.” She says, her smile- and her sandwich- returning to her lips. “you like to cook, you said? What kind of stuff? Am I going to get fat flying with you?” She laughs. “Now that might be a dealbreaker!”  Little bit of this, little bit of that. Southern food, for the most part.  Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.
>>3466059> Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.CHEF MORGAN
>>3466059>[X] Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.
>>3466059>[x] Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.>it's a little embarrassing to admit the rest you picked up for your aunt MerlinNothing embarrassing about it!
>>3466059> Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.
>>3466059> Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.Ironically, I can't handle spicy.
>>3466059>[x] Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own.>try to break in to spray paint slogans on the jetGiven how the chair force apparently handled some hippies hitting a nuclear missile silo hatch with a sledgehammer, I am honestly interested in what the navy might pull when some rich entitled woman and her cronies ruin the RCS coating on a fighter jet that costs around the same as a warship.
[x] Mostly things my mom taught me, other things I’ve picked up on my own. “Mostly things my mom taught me.” You say, thinking about it some- you’re pretty sure you don’t give away any tells about why you learned to cook as you talk. “Other things I’ve picked up on my own.” She nods. “I always wanted to learn to cook more things, but they keep me too busy.” She says, laughing. “I can order a mean pizza though!” She laughs again at her joke. “I’m probably pretty boring compared to you, thinking about it. Mom used to take me around her talk and protest circuit, but that’s pretty boring for a kid. You just stay in the hotel or with whoever’s putting you up while your mom goes to do her thing, then you go home.” She shakes her head. “I bet I can beat you silly in mario kart though!” She says with a smile. You laugh at that- you did play an awful lot of Nintendo with your sisters. “Speaking of, though, what do I do tomorrow? I’m not flying with you, right?” She says. “That marine colonel, all he told me was that I’d be too busy to observe anything, but what will they have me doing? do you know?” “Probably processing.” You say. “Figuring out pay, shots, that sort of thing.” “Really?” She asks. “Seems kind of silly if I might just be here till day after tomorrow.” You shrug. “The military moves in strange ways.” She laughs. “Yeah, no kidding!” It’s mostly small talk for the rest of the night- you get the distinct impression she’s able to put things that are bothering her aside, but can’t really let them go entirely, like she’s going to go back and examine them in private and work at coming to terms with them on her own. She’s honest and open about herself- her ink, for example, which both means a lot to her and almost nothing in specific. She’s a big follower of the burning man event, and makes it a point to go every year, and tries to hit every concert she can along the coast. Finishing dinner, she looks around for the waitress, looking over at you as you stand up. “Does she not bring the check?” She asks. “I mean, we have to pay, right?”  Not really. They may ask me for a favor or something to put on the wall later, but it’s on the house for us.  No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.
She’s growing on me—but I think the best thing we can do is introduce her to Merlin and see if a job comes her way from that. I just don’t feel comfortable putting her in combat.
>>3466337> Not really. They may ask me for a favor or something to put on the wall later, but it’s on the house for us.
>>3466337>[x] No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.
>>3466337>[x] No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.We should save the free meal for when we actually make our selection.Speaking of, can someone do us a favour and put together a pros/cons list of each of our options thus-far (Danielle, Kyou and Lotus)? Just so we have something to argue over once the run is done for tonight.
>>3466337> No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.
>>3466337>[X] No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.
>>3466337> No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.I think she's tougher than she looks. They wouldn't let her anywhere near the Wyvern if she didn't have what it takes. This was fun. I like Lotus. Do you like Lotus?
>>3466351Yeah. I love her as a character, but I don't think that combat is for her. We could be wrong, of course. You never know.
>>3466337>[X] No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here.Yay tax dollars at work! Let's do favor-debt at a later date
>>3466397Not really honestly. I think she's a really well done character...but I don't think she belongs in the backseat of a Wyvern.
>>3466368This is my cliff notes version; I’ll leave it to others for the details. D: Pros-career navy, combat experience against modern SAMs, anti-radar goddess, let’s us party like it’s the 60s before Russian/Chinese SAMs (and I remind everyone they stuff their ships full of them too) ruined the party, genuinely nice person. Cons-outside of the SEAD role she’s almost purely defensive, relatively low power, not committed to Wyverns over her current role. Bottom line: if we want to run hit-and-fade stealth missions into enemy territory—she’s our witch. If we want to repeat Frank’s exploits, she’s no Sam Wells (at least, not that we’ve seen). But we get to take another shot with her so something interesting might come up. My opinion: if she shows abilities outside of SEAD during our next mission I’d take her as my first choice as she’s got the best strength/weakness ratio. But without that she’s just too one dimensional. I would like to pick her up as a witch wingmate—she’d be fantastic as our personal Wild Weasel. K: pros-crazy strong, massive political connections make her immune from state-side politics and likely guarantee we have our pick of assignments, committed to the Wyvern program, did I mention crazy strong? Cons-batshit crazy, drops us into the political spotlight, is going to be really awkward if US strategic objectives differ from Japanese ones during a war, dating will be fun with a security detail, and did I mention she’s nuts? Bottom line: if we want to walk the line between invincibility and insanity she’s our girl. Whether we can control her or not is an open question. My opinion: the best option if Danielle doesn’t show a worthwhile new skill during the re-flight. High risk, but potentially high reward. I’d take her as a wing witch if we don’t choose her and can make that work. She’d pair well with a Wyvern on her wing. L: Pros—could navigate an asteroid field blindfolded AND tell you the odds, would probably make our backseat into an airborne command post if she can coordinate more than just herself (like Minna maybe?) an honest and kind witch. Cons—zero military experience and considerable political baggage, abilities are even more passive than Danielle’s, might not be able to handle a war zone (and we’d be out if she can’t). Bottom line: considerable risks for little apparent reward, but seems to be a competent all-around witch with some deep strike capabilities due to her navigation skills-as we just proved (but Danielle wins that fight because she can get us there in one piece, while we know that Lotus can’t do crap to radars). My opinion—my last choice. I’d pick her up as an air controller for AWACS duty if we can (that fits her skill set and doesn’t require direct combat duty) but I wouldn’t put her in our backseat unless I’ve missed something.
>>3466446You forgot one con of Danielle, maybe the biggest one of all: she doesn't have enough pictures. If we choose her we're gonna need some anons to shore up pics of fit girls with glasses immediately.
>>3466446I think this is actually a very fair and all around good assessment. While in my personal opinion, Kyou's pros don't outweigh her Cons, You've done a very good job of listing their goods and bads. I'm still a danielle guy. We'll see if the last flight changes that.
>>3466507I’m really a Danielle guy too—but I also don’t mind running deep strike missions against radar sites and AWACS. But anon seemed to pretty clearly want to mix it up like Frank and I’m not sure she’s going to be up for that based on her current skill set. That said, the mission we ran with her is precisely the kind of hit-and-fade she’d be good at. What I want to see is what she’ll be like in a furball. That may shift the balance in her favor (or not) depending on how she performs. What I really want to see is if she can spoof radar guide AAMs. If she can, I’ll take not getting hit at all over potentially surviving hits with a wicked strong shield.
>>3466543I'm aiming for Danielle in particular because I want different missions from 89. Less dogfighting, more Other Stuff. Possibly even Spoopy Stuff.
>>3466446Kyou isn't persay, just an incredibly aggressive fighter.
>>3466553I’m 100% in for that if anon is on board. If we can get in and knock out airborne and ground based radars we’d make it a hell of a lot easier for our buddies to do their jobs. Moreover, given that airborne radars are usually very well protected, we’d still get to dogfight plenty.
>>3466560As I said—it’d be walking a line .. and I’m not sold yet and which side of that line she’s on.
>>3466553>>3466570I'm all for a new mission set. And Judging by our Lotus mission, SOCOM is interested in us, and might give us exactly those sort of profiles.
>>3466446Good assessment anon. Leaning towards Kyou right now but I think that Lotus is a very interesting option as well, given that she can serve as a sort-of C&C hub which would be interesting gameplay.
>>3466588Maybe we'll work with Goose
>>3466553I still prefer the air superiority and dogfighting angle, but it could be cool to do that in support of socom deep insertion teams.
>>3466612Maybe a first in-last out role. Go in with Danielle in the back and Kyou (and maybe even Cass) on our wing, kill radars (ground or air) and the enemy CAP, cover the spec ops insertion, mission, and extraction, and then cover the withdrawal against enemy reinforcements. Could be a very fun basic mission profile—an offensive version of PJ Quest. And let’s be honest, Ghost will thrown plenty of curveballs at us to make things interesting regardless of who we pick.
>>3466588Pretty sure that's more tied to Lotus's skill set compared to Danielle or Kyou though, so if we want SOCOM missions we'll probably want to go with her.
>>3466626And I’d bet that if we asked Kyou to be on our wing she’d have the pull to make that happen. The opposite is not neccasarily true (I.e. it’s unlikely we’d be able to keep Danielle as a wingwitch—LTs don’t dictate squadron assignments). Food for thought at least—I’m definitely looking forward to the re-flight, I don’t think the competitor is closed at this point one way or another.
>>3466626Plus if the S-300 and S-400 are known Witch-Killers in-universe, imagine what the S-500 could do, for all we know it could have Electro-optical backup guidance which means life could get very interesting for us.
>>3466630Maybe. I’m concerned that we got painted by Canadian radar so quickly—I think that would be a major black mark with SOCOM. And I’m also not sure whether they were testing her, us, or a combination of both—so I think writing off SOCOM if we reject Lotus is premature. Especially as it sure seems like SOCOM black ops are the LAST thing she needs with her hesitation with killing people. BVR is one thing, but up close and personal? I’m just not sure we want to put her through that.
>>3466636Sure, and infrared backups are an issue too. But taking radar off the table is still a major benefit to weigh in our final decision.
[x] No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office. This is part of the process here. You shake your head as she follows you out of the door- the hostess bids you a good night with a smile. “No, they’ll send the bill to the CO’s office.” You say. “This is part of the process.” “A dinner date is part of a military procedure?” Lotus asks with a laugh. “Maybe I’m completely wrong about the navy.” “Kind of. It’s part of the crew selection process.” You say. “Get to know each other.” “Oh, right. Yeah, that makes sense.” Lotus says. “So it’s kinda like speed dating.” You shrug. “Pretty close to that, yeah.” You allow- she’s not wrong, though you imagine there’s a few people involved in the program that may insist she is. She yawns as you get into the car, leaning back in her seat and closing her eyes briefly. “Man, I’m getting tired.” She says after a minute. “It’s been a long day.” You laugh a little that, and she cracks one eye open to look over at you with a smile. “Yeah, who am I telling, right?” She laughs a little. “Still, man, I’m looking forward to that bed they promised me!” You nod. “Yeah, it’s been a long day.” You agree, thankful that, because of the hour, traffic is light, and the trip back is short. You park the car outside the admin building, signing the clipboard and handing the keys back in. “There’s a van out front, sir, he’ll take you over to the BOQ. Lieutenant Commander Earhart is in the same building as you, get her key from the duty desk there.” The sailor behind the desk says. “And here, hand her this.” He hands you a sheet of paper folded into a little pamphlet. “That’s for her, to explain what all she’s doing.” He explains. “She’s not the first reservist witch through here, so there’s sort of a system.” You nod, taking the paper from him and heading back outside, where Lotus stands next to the van. She waves at you. “Hey Morgan, over here!” She says, smiling. “They had a shuttle waiting for us!” You hand the paper off to her, and she looks at it, confused. “What’s this?” She asks, opening it up. “Oh, I see. Well, looks like no rest for the wicked!” She says, laughing. The driver of the van proves to be quiet- he’s a civilian too, an older guy with a USMC Veteran cap on his head, who listens to the country music station a bit too loud for your liking. Still, when he pulls up to the BOQ, he turns the van off and steps out to help Lotus with her bag. She pauses, looking up at the building. “Looks pretty nice.” She says, and you shrug. “It’s not bad.” You say, leading the way inside. “They haven’t remodeled since I was born, I think.” She laughs as you approach the duty desk- there’s a marine lance corporal on duty, looking very bored. He looks up at the two of you. “Visitor, sir?” He asks, and you shake your head. 1/2(?)
“She needs her room key and number.” You say, motioning Lotus to come up to the desk. She favors the marine with a brilliant smile. “Hi!” She says, more energetically than you expected. “You have my room keys?”“Lieutenant Commander Earhart?” The marine asks, and she nods. “I’ll need to see some ID, ma’am.” “Is a driver’s license ok?” she asks. “I don’t have my military ID on me.” “Yeah” The marine says, looking over at you for a second. “I’ll hang onto your driver’s liscense, you’ll get a CAC tomorrow.” “A CAC?” she asks. “Common access card.” You tell her. “Active duty ID.” “Oh. ok.” She says, taking the key and watching the marine drop her driver’s license in the duty desk. “When will I get that back?” “Once you check out.” He says. “You’re up on the top floor, room five-oh-five. Take the elevator up and turn right, down at the end of the hall.” “Thanks!” She says, then turns back to you. “So I won’t see you tomorrow. I guess this may be it, huh?” She says, smiling. “Well, if it is, it was great meeting you, Morgan, and flying with you was fun, thanks for letting me try it out!” She pivots on her heel, spinning around pretty quickly and heading for the elevators, while the Marine goes back to doing a crossword puzzle. You head up to your room, hitting the lights and pulling off your cover, setting it on the small table near the window. You manage to get a real shower in- the locker room showers never feel quite as good as one at home, you think- and have just sat down when your phone buzzes with a text message. It goes off again a second later as you pick it up. The first, from your aunt, is an invitation to come talk at her place- having flown with all three witches, you imagine she’s going to start digging for your thoughts, even with a reflight tomorrow. The other, from Cass, is a simple picture of her quarters aboard the Kaga- though you note she managed to take the picture in such a way as to catch herself in the full-body mirror of the small wardrobe. You also note, somewhat drily, she’s effectively naked. Again. At least the quarters look reasonable- small, but she’s not sharing them with anyone, and there’s enough room there for her laptop and other stuff on the desk next to the bed. You’d look over it some more- you’re sure, for example, she strategically placed some lacey underthings on her bed, and made sure to get them in the picture, but you can do that later.  See if Auntie M wants to meet somewhere else to talk- maybe that 24 hour pub just off the base?  Ask if she wants to talk later- you’re pretty tired, it’s been a long day.  Tell her you’ll be right over.
>>3466682>[x] See if Auntie M wants to meet somewhere else to talk- maybe that 24 hour pub just off the base?
>>3466682> Tell her you’ll be right over.We’ve got to get over the fear of people thinking something untoward is going on with Merlin.
>>3466682>[x Tell her you’ll be right over.
>>3466682> Tell her you’ll be right over.Kinda hard to talk freely about restricted information in a public space.
>>3466682>[X] Tell her you’ll be right over.The Patron Saint of modern jet fighters is calling, best not to keep her waiting.
>>3466682>[X] Tell her you’ll be right over.
>>3466682>[x] Ask if she wants to talk later- you’re pretty tired, it’s been a long day.
>>3466682>[x] See if Auntie M wants to meet somewhere else to talk- maybe that 24 hour pub just off the base?I mean, Merlin is the only one we can actually talk to right now. So we might as well.
>>3466682>[x] Tell her you’ll be right over.
>>3466682> Tell her you’ll be right over.Best not to keep her waiting
>>3466682> Tell her you’ll be right over.>CassWHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME
>>3466682>[x] Tell her you’ll be right over.>>3466639If they were testing just us we would of pick up on it in our previous Hops, which we didn't.
>>3466682> See if Auntie M wants to meet somewhere else to talk- maybe that 24 hour pub just off the base?
>>3466682>[X] See if Auntie M wants to meet somewhere else to talk- maybe that 24 hour pub just off the base?
[x] Tell her you’ll be right over. You change into something more comfortable- jeans and a T-shirt, and stick your phone in your pocket after texting your aunt you’ll be right over. It’s a nice night, and a short walk- well, fairly short, a little over half a mile- still, easy enough to do. The cool night air does you some good, even with the roar of jets behind you, and before too long you knock on the front door to the corporate house. Merlin answers, bareleg in her old MIT shirt that’s a couple sizes too big. She waves you inside, crunching on something in her mouth. “J-jolly rancher.” She says, smiling. “Ah.” You say. “So what did you want to talk about?” “O-oh. Well there’s a f-few things, actually.” She says, motioning for you to go into the living room, where the TV is on. There’s a glass of wine next to her spot on the couch, and her laptop sits on the cushion. She detours through the kitchen. “D-do you want anything? Something to d-drink?” “I’m good. Just got back from dinner.” You say. “O-oh, ok.” She says, walking back in the room and folding her legs under her. “S-so what did y-you think of Lotus?”  She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.  I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.
>>3466957>[x] She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.
>>3466957> She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.
>>3466957>[x] She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.>Admitted she might be iffy when it comes to combat, though.
>>3466957> She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.ENLIGHTEN ME, AUNT BEST WITCH
>>3466957>[x] I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.
>>3466957>[X] She was really capable, but that was a strange flight.
>>3466957>[x] I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.No point in lying to the best aunt. Lotus may be good and all, but she's up against long odds already. The iffiness to actually get stuck in when push comes to shove only makes her position more unsteady.
>>3466957> I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.
>>3466957>[X] I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.I do like her and her sunny personality, but her concern over combat could make things dicey.
>>3466446I agree with your assessment for the most part except for Kyou. I wouldn't describe Kyou as batshit crazy, more like severely repressed. She was the top of the class at SIO school so she doesn't lack competence or power. It's just that she's been locked up in a cage all her life and is now bursting at the seams like a corset full of spaghetti. When you allow her to cut loose the discipline slips a bit because of all the built up pressure, but I think she will stabilize if we take her out of the princess role and into the navy where she can let off steam. She has the aggression that complements our cold and calculated fighting style, I think we would balance each other out once we get to know each other better. There are also hints that she can break physics like Natalia, which would be a complete game changer.As for the other cons you mentioned, Kyou would be a US navy asset once signed up. The Japanese agreed to this with the understanding that the US would provide support to defend Japan, but ultimately they can't tell the navy what to do. The navy could just as easily send a different Wyvern to Japan and send us to Germany. (they probably won't but you get the idea) With China starting shit our career will almost certainly mean bouncing around Pacific carriers/bases unless Russia gets uppity too in which case we may need to deploy to europe too.If the other princess that appeared in the quest is any indication, Kyou would not have a security detail within the navy. At most she would have a bodyguard witch like Ozawa. The only time we need to worry about state and royal security is if we go to any official functions in Japan itself. Now admittedly that is almost a certainty anytime we land the wyvern on or near japan, and the reporters will get annoying but it's nothing we haven't learned to deal with already from being a Bishop.So far I'm leaning heavily towards Kyou, both as a personal favourite and seemingly optimal choice. She has the power to run a wyvern in spades and the navy never deploys a wyvern unless they expect it to kill everything in sight. Regardless of how we want to game the training scenarios to hide our power level like Maman wanted, eventually we will be fighting for real and if we don't deliver the goods the navy expects when they deploy a wyvern people could get killed.----As for the other two. Danielle has some neat skills but I think her specialty is almost wasted on a wyvern. Outside of a test scenario the likelyhood that a wyvern will be used for SEAD work is virtually nil. There is some novelty in a wyvern that can handle it's own SEAD, but Danielle having to do SEAD work on the side would just drain energy away from our primary job.That being said I think she would make a fantastic wingwitch, trolling enemy radars and SAMs while we mop the floor with everyone else. There are also some hints that Merlin wants to draft her for some project or other, and Merlin will be following us when we deploy.
>>3467060>bursting at the seams like a corset full of spaghettiwhat
>>3466957 I’m not sure she’s going to be able to hack it.
>>3467087Have you not been paying attention to the subtle hints that Ghost has been dropping that is a Mecha/Wyvern-sexual nerd and the only reason she hasn't exploded in a nuclear explosion of Spaghetti is MILITARY BEARING+HIME-SAMA UPBRINGING. He has been dropping hints on that all over the place.
[x] She was really capable, but that was a strange flight. “She’s capable, but that was a strange flight.” You say as she pulls her laptop back to her lap and types a few things in. She nods. “Mhmm. I can’t t-tell you anything b-but I’m sure you’ve g-guessed.” “SOCOM?” She doesn’t answer. “I-I’ve done some digging, t-too. A-and if you don’t take D-danielle, I’m going to.” “Oh?” “S-she’s almost perfect. I-I’d be lying if I said I d-didn’t want all three of them, b-but that’s not going to happen. T-there’s a marine corps Wyvern working u-up too.” She grins. “I-I won’t be as involved with that one a-as yours. I-I don’t have the e-energy to mange t-two jets and t-two pilots.” “That sounded lewd, auntie.” “D-did it?” She stutters, blushing. “I-I didn’t m-mean it t-to be! J-just t-that you’re more t-than enough t-to keep me b-busy!”If anything, she flushes a deeper crimson at your grin. “Oui, auntie. I undastand what ya mean.” You say- and you do, but she’s kind of easy to tease, and one of the few people you bother with. Probably the only person. “M-maybe I s-should just g-go to b-bed.” She says. “I-I clearly c-can’t t-talk straight.” You laugh. “Do you need a drink? Coffee?” She shakes her head, taking a sip of her wine. “N-no.” she says, taking a second to breathe and calm down. “T-that was mean.” She says, accusatorily.You grin. “Easy target.” 1/2
She just shakes her head again. “T-tomorrow is your l-last flight before selection. D-do you know how that works?” You shake your head. “No.” You say. “This whole thing is really secretive for anyone going through it, it sounds like.” She nods. “I-it is. On p-purpose. I-it’s silly and they d-don’t listen to Frank or I, t-the only real combat veterans o-of anything c-close to an MIU Wyvern when we t-tell them it is. W-what’s going to happen i-is they’re going to sit y-you down in a room w-with Admiral M-marshal. Y-you’ll make your final c-choice then. She’ll h-have one last chance to back o-out, and if she stays with y-you’ll both be confined to p-post other than w-with an escort. K-kyou’s bodyguards won’t count.” You nod. “What about the flight tomorrow?” You ask. “E-expect it t-to be like your first f-flight, with more e-emphasis on destroying an A2/AD n-network while handling f-fighters. T-they’ll explain it better.” She says, then yawns. “I’m n-not going to poach a-anyone yet, but I w-wanted to ask you to tell m-me as soon as you’ve m-made selection.” “So you can poach them?” You ask, and she nods. “I-if I can get hold of t-them before the Marine pilot selects them t-then they’re mine.” She says “B-but if I don’t, I-I’ll have to wait for his c-choice.” “Wow, really?” You ask- the concept of them not giving Merlin whatever- or whoever- she asks for is kind of strange. You’re about to say something else when your phone buzzes again. You look down just long enough to see it’s another text from Cass before sighing. Your aunt stands up again. “I-I think I’m going to get a-another glass.” She says. “D-do you want one?” “Auntie I fly tomorrow.” You remind her. “Y-you’re outside sixteen h-hours and I can p-purge the alcohol f-from your system i-if I have to.” She responds.  Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge. I guess, sure.
>>3467188>[x] I guess, sure.
>>3467188>[x] Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.
>>3467188> Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.
>>3467188>[X] Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.
>>3467188> I guess, sure.Wooo MAGIC ABUSE!
>>3467087It's really cute.>The engines spool up with a smooth whine that transitions into a scream, then a roar as the afterburners start dumping raw fuel into the exhaust, reheating it. The sudden Gs as you release the wheelbrakes slams you back into the too-thin seat cushion as you stop just short of the WEP. The takeoff roll itself is almost criminally short, given the runway in front of you- you still had miles, it seems like.>“Woo!” Kyou calls, probably accidentally hot micing- her voice is businesslike when she speaks again, a second later. “Gear is up and locked, systems are green across the board. I have no connectivity, all weapons showing stowed and safe.”
>>3467188>[x] Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.Wine? I'll pass.
>>3467188> I guess, sure.What could go wrong?
>>3467188> Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.Let's not start bad habits
>>3467288>I can p-purge the alcohol f-from your system i-if I have to. I guess in the worse case explosive shitting? Hopefully she could actually just magic it into non-existence
>>3467331I was hoping for explosive shitposting, but the super serious crowd takes it again.
>>3467188So we’d get Danielle either way. Just a matter of whether she’s on our wing or in the backseat. That’s an out if I’ve ever seen one. Let’s see how the flight goes, but it sounds like we’ve got our SEAD-Witch either way (and isn’t that a lewdism).
Ok, votes called! this'll probably be the last one for the night, but there might be one more.
>>3467354If we're getting her either way, I'd rather have her on the wing as our SEAD bird.
>>3467469I'm honestly okay with having her either way, so long as she stays around. Not enough muscle-y girls.
[x] Thanks, but still no. I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.You shake your head. “Thanks, but no.” You say. “But I’ll have a coke if there’s any in the fridge.” She nods. “I-I bought a pack for you e-earlier today.” She says with a smile, walking into the kitchen for a minute, and coming back out with another full glass of wine and a can of coke for you. “Thanks auntie.” You say, popping it open. “So when does that marine pilot start his flights?” “H-he’s delayed while you finish your last flight with D-danielle.” She responds. “B-but as soon as y-your selection is in h-he’ll be making his list. T-that’s why I n-need you to tell me a-as soon as you’ve picked.” You nod. “Did Cass talk to you?” You say, glancing back at your phone for a second. “S-she did. I’ve p-put in a request to the n-navy, but I-I may have to use m-my own contacts if I want her. I-I’m more worried s-she’s going to be d-distracted by y-you though.” She shakes her head. “I-I mean, I understand w-why but it w-would- “ She pauses, blushing again. “U-uh.” You decide to let that one go, just taking a sip of coke. “A-anyway, I-I’m not sure about her.” She says, rallying. “I-I guess it w-will depend on your selection.” You nod. “So you’re waiting for me, basically.” 1/2
>>3467535Have you seen Cass? Speaking of, what is best girl texting?
She looks like she wants to say something, but just nods. “I-I think a s-second glass m-may have been a m-mistake.” She mumbles a second later as she finishes her glass quickly, while you sit quietly. She’s working on something on the laptop, but you can see her swaying a bit in her spot. She’s always been the lightest of lightweights- two or three glasses is more than enough to get her very drunk. Of course, like any witch, she can avoid the hangovers pretty easily, which is more than a little unfair in your opinion. You laugh. “Do I need to make sure you get to bed ok, auntie?” You ask. She pauses to think about it. “J-just up the s-stairs.” She says after a second. “L-let me shut d-down h-here.” You nod, going to get her a water bottle, then heading back into the living room to watch he stand woozily. “D-definatley a mistake.” She says, looking at you and blushing a bit before going towards the stairs. You go up them slowly with her, having to stop to support her a few times before she reaches the top- and just to be sure you lurk at the top for a few seconds until her bedroom door clicks shut before you head back downstairs and out the front door, shutting off the lights as you do so and locking the front door behind you. The walk back to the BOQ is quick- and you’re looking forward to tomorrow, enough that you feel excited. It’s your last selection flight- after this you’ll be flying with one partner for the rest of your career. It’s a pretty major decision, but you’re ready to make it. Getting to sleep that night isn’t helped by Cass, who sends you a new text every hour or so into the small hours of the morning- eventually you have to shut your phone off. Sisters, you think, as you finally drift off to sleep, are weird.
And that's it for me for the week! I'll be packing and cleaning a lot of next week, so the thread may get delayed or cut off, and then the week after I'll be moving, so we probably won't have a thread, but we'll see what happens. In the mean time I'll be around a bit to answer questions as always. Other than that, till next week, guys, Cheers!
>>3467557Thanks for the run Ghost
>>3467557What does Slider think about Cass’s attraction?
>>3467551>Getting to sleep that night isn’t helped by Cass, who sends you a new text every hour or so into the small hours of the morning- eventually you have to shut your phone off.We should probably change our locks.
>>3467557Thanks for the run Ghost!
>>3467560She prefers to ignore that it exists. For her part, Cass hasn't had that many chances to demonstrate it in front of her.
>>3467557Thanks for the run boss.
>>3467557What did Cass send us!!
>>3467569>you note she managed to take the picture in such a way as to catch herself in the full-body mirror of the small wardrobe. You also note, somewhat drily, she’s effectively naked. Again.A selfie of her in her new quarters on the Kaga.
>>3467557Thanks for the run chief. Was too busy to vote today, but I got to post more story yesterday. So super thanks for that!
>>3467574Among other things. Cass is very... overt. She also knows that the likelihood of Morgan making a move is pretty limited, so she tries to skew the odds in her favor every chance she gets.
>>3466553Fighter pilots make movies; bomber pilots make history.
>>3466446I would argue that you're forgetting a key part of any partnership here: The MIU.We're joining at the brain with our Witch. I think a SOCOM Wyvern would be *amazing*, and we could teach Lotus how to Git Hard. Morgan is absolutely strong enough mentally to show Lotus how to live the Crazy Ninja Life.We could be the Death In The Night, the Terror Of The Black Sky....DEATH HRONK. Seriously tho, a plane like the Wyvern with a Special Forces mandate would be unstoppable in a role as a raider, deep strike fighter, assassin.And with a SOCOM billing, we'd be politically *untouchable*. That's Maman's world. The entire special forces community would close ranks around us and we'd disappear into classified missions.Sounds awesome desu.
>>3468121That’s not really how socom works.
>>3468121>The entire special forces community would close ranks around usIs it wrong that I want to pick lotus just so we can set a bunch of hippies against a bunch of spooks?I mean, I like Lotus anyway, but that’s definitely an appealing facet.
>>3466446Just wanted to expand/give my own take on this, since I have nothing better to do on a Sunday.I'm going to leave Lotus out of my mini-analysis here - while I think she's a pretty interesting character, I just don't think she'd be a good fit for us. Passive main ability, likely to have personal issues in the military, and she could very possibly cause the most issues out of the plane too, what with her family.Moving to Danielle - she's a real strong candidate, even with the scuffed flight. It's a little premature to say all that much about her before our redo here, but overall I think she's the best match for Morgan. That's however, why I don't think she'd be the best backseater. I don't think doubling down on personality types would be a good idea. Way I see it, with Danielle we're making the choice from the get go to excel in a very specific capacity at the cost of basically anything we did in SW '89. While I get that the general sentiment in this quest is to do the opposite of what Frank did, I feel like that'd get very stale very quickly. I don't doubt that Ghost could throw curveballs at us to mix things up a little, but I'm just leery about locking us too hard to a single role. Also, Ghost has all but looked us in the eye and said that she's gonna be at least a recurring wingman if she's not our backseater. That leaves Kyou. She's, at least from the very short flight we had so far, the opposite of how we're currently playing Morgan. This is a massive pro in my mind, as it gives Ghost an easy in to push us from getting stuck in an anti-Frank rut. It's baked-in character development as well; we have easy character arcs sitting right there as Morgan and Kyou start to meet in the middle. It feels like she's Ghost's pick as well, from a meta point of view. Everyone we've spoken to regarding the selection process has Kyou on the mind. They're always talking about how strong she is. There's more support in game for her than any of the others. Not to mention that Kyou has repeatedly said that there's more to her than she can reveal - which is pretty weird, yeah, but another baked in story arc that the others just don't have. Finally, she's the only one that we've had the whole 'tired after flight’ thing. Probably a pretty big con from a character health point of view, but I feel it's a large pro from a story perspective. A slight rehash of what Frank went through, but with a totally different personality in both the front and back seat, as well as what everyone's learned from Frank's experiences, could be a great through-thread for the story. In short, my take is this: Lotus is a bit of a throw-away choice, unfortunately. We get Danielle no matter what. Kyou appears to be the one with the most plot hooks ready to go, and coupled with how everyone's been talking about her in story, I think she's Ghost's favorite as well. And author approval leads to better stories.
>>3468608>I think she's Ghost's favorite as well. And author approval leads to better stories.Ghost's story is good/Lotus's story will be good anyway. It's quite a vague argument you're pushing. If Lotus wasnt a real option we shouldnt have been given the choice in the first place. She and Danielle are refreshing in that they aren't so thirsty for Morgan. > Not to mention that Kyou has repeatedly said that there's more to her than she can reveal This is pretty blunt of her, and it does not mean Morgan knows the others completely by now, or that they dont have hidden depths.It's good to see you so invested in the quest and Ghost's story tho.
>>3469490>This is pretty blunt of her, and it does not mean Morgan knows the others completely by now, or that they dont have hidden depths.What it means is that Kyou wears a public mask that the others don't.
>>3469490>>3469720Kyou repeatedly saying there's more to her than she can talk about had to do with her magic, not her public vs private mask. The fact she wears a mask is blatantly apparent.
>>3469755You sure about that?
>>3470126http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3384752/#p3385767>I have always favored aggression in combat because both it is expected of me and because I am aware of what I can do. I understand if this not something you are comfortable with, but you must understand I am much stronger than they are able to tell.” http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3384752/#p3386002> “And I will tell you now, I am not able to show you the extent of my ability in these exercises. I am capable of much more than they can let us show in these narrow trials.”http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3384752/#p3405449>“I had forgotten she was one of your adopted sisters as well.” She says. “I am not sure if I told you, but I wasn’t able to display the full range of my ability during our shortened test.” She says. “I cannot tell you anything more, but I suspect your aunt may know more about me than she tells you.” I'm pretty sure that's all of them from her but I may have missed one.
>>3469490It's a vague argument sure, but it's not exactly a stretch to imagine that the author may have favorite characters, is it? I ran a decently successful (think I had like 170 notified when I went live, so not the most, but decent for non-smut over there) quest over on akun once upon a time, and I sure had characters that I was far more interested in writing than others. Over the course of a few hundred thousand words and several weeks/months/years, things change. I'm sure Ghost knows this more than most – he’s at least a third of what got me into questing in the first place, along with Soma and Aspirational. I’m not saying this is what’s going on with Lotus. I’d never presume that much about Ghost based off of a few 4chan posts spread out over half a week. I do feel, though, that Kyou is the story default pick – everyone we talk to seems to be in her corner, she’s the most visibly impressive of the bunch, and she’s had the most direct effects on the main character. Danielle comes in second here; she was given another flight, and now we’ve just been told that she’s gonna be poached by Merlin if we don’t pick her. The safe assumption there is that, since Merlin’s with us, Danielle will also be with us. Other characters haven’t been talking about her as much as Kyou, but it sure feels like Ghost wants to keep her around, right? Then we hit Lotus, who is very direct with reservations about being in the military and is immediately talking about how she likes her current job. We also have learned that if we don’t pick her, she has a chance at getting picked up by another Wyvern. Couple layers of her not being let down if we pass her over, right?Again, I don’t want to make too many assumptions about the hidden machinations of Ghost’s quest (and I do concede that Lotus talking about her reservations/job is way more character trait than the author speaking). But to draw parallels to when I was writing? I’ve done real similar shit when it ended up that I liked option A and B a whole lot more, and C a whole lot less, than I expected. Add in that we had basic information about these characters almost 3 months ago, and therefore we’ve had 3 months to evolve the story in unexpected ways via write-ins or random posts that inspired the author? That stuff leads to plot points/story posts that you might not have thought of when you made the character outlines. I don’t think it’s too far fetched, mostly because it’s happened to me.Of course, it could be that it’s just me that likes options A and B way more than C, and I’m clawing at nothing trying to justify it. Reading between lines that I’m just imagining. But hey, least I got my point of view out there. It’s a topic that I think applies in just about any quest, and one that I know I sure never thought of before I started running my own.And just to clarify, >>3470150 got what I meant with 'more than she can reveal'. I was specifically thinking about that third quote.
>>3470223Lemme fix that awful formatting, sorry.>>3469490It's a vague argument sure, but it's not exactly a stretch to imagine that the author may have favorite characters, is it? I ran a decently successful (think I had like 170 notified when I went live, so not the most, but decent for non-smut over there) quest over on akun once upon a time, and I sure had characters that I was far more interested in writing than others. Over the course of a few hundred thousand words and several weeks/months/years, things change. I'm sure Ghost knows this more than most – he’s at least a third of what got me into questing in the first place, along with Soma and Aspirational. I’m not saying this is what’s going on with Lotus. I’d never presume that much about Ghost based off of a few 4chan posts spread out over half a week. I do feel, though, that Kyou is the story default pick – everyone we talk to seems to be in her corner, she’s the most visibly impressive of the bunch, and she’s had the most direct effects on the main character. Danielle comes in second here; she was given another flight, and now we’ve just been told that she’s gonna be poached by Merlin if we don’t pick her. The safe assumption there is that, since Merlin’s with us, Danielle will also be with us. Other characters haven’t been talking about her as much as Kyou, but it sure feels like Ghost wants to keep her around, right? Then we hit Lotus, who is very direct with reservations about being in the military and is immediately talking about how she likes her current job. We also have learned that if we don’t pick her, she has a chance at getting picked up by another Wyvern. Couple layers of her not being let down if we pass her over, right?Again, I don’t want to make too many assumptions about the hidden machinations of Ghost’s quest (and I do concede that Lotus talking about her reservations/job is way more character trait than the author speaking). But to draw parallels to when I was writing? I’ve done real similar shit when it ended up that I liked option A and B a whole lot more, and C a whole lot less, than I expected. Add in that we had basic information about these characters almost 3 months ago, and therefore we’ve had 3 months to evolve the story in unexpected ways via write-ins or random posts that inspired the author? That stuff leads to plot points/story posts that you might not have thought of when you made the character outlines. I don’t think it’s too far fetched, mostly because it’s happened to me.Of course, it could be that it’s just me that likes options A and B way more than C, and I’m clawing at nothing trying to justify it. Reading between lines that I’m just imagining. But hey, least I got my point of view out there. It’s a topic that I think applies in just about any quest, and one that I know I sure never thought of before I started running my own.
>>3470228You can delete the old post btw, no need to have both now.
I’m fairly convinced Merlin has a crush on us at this point and I want to test the waters. However, Merlin isn’t Cass. Whatdo?
>>3470255She's also married, with a child, and 20+ years our senior.
>>3470276She has two kids and is closer to 16-17 years older then Morgan, though really the age difference is the least important thing of those three.
>>3470296She’s also an admiral. Witch privileges or not, it’s a consideration.
>>3468608I dunno, I think you're dismissing her to easily. Assuming Lotus=SOCOM, I can totally see why they're taking the risk on her. She's the perfect test pilot because she's an all-rounder: Air-To-Air, Air-To-Ground, Sensors, Engines, Shields. These same traits make her an ideal partner for a SOCOM Special Wyvern: You'd be working alone, every mission would be different, and you'd be pushing the capabilities of the airframe to the limit with every new challenge and mission. She clearly wasn't all that chuffed at flying SEVEN THOUSAND MILES PLUS COMBAT in one day, can't be that much of a pushover.And I reiterate: I think Lotus is a lot more complex and combat worthy than you think. Why should Kyou have all the fun with hidden depths? Lol, seriously tho, SOCOM has been *SUPER* blatant in their interest in getting Lotus in the Wyvern, and I can't see them being that insistent without a really good reason, especially with someone like Lotus.I absolutely agree that Kyou has serious waifu points and Witchy benefits, but being "Flying Magical Brick" doesn't sound nearly as fun as "The Highly Classified Adventures Of Cat-Man and Hellgoose"
>>3470342>The Highly Classified Adventures Of Cat-Man and Hellgoose
>>3470342I agree, being SOCOM would be fun. Would we have to go through some SEAL training? Plus who knows, we might actually work with Goose.
>>3470274No offense to anyone who likes them (or creates them), but I’m normally not big on those in quests because harems are practically cliche on this board. I suppose it’s worth a thought if it can be handled absolutely masterfully, but I would still prefer to avoid it and miss out on an option than potentially cheapen the relationship that we do end up in. I truly didn’t think it would be so hard to pick just one with the implied MIU fiat... figures it would be the backseater and done... but these other characters are so compelling and already have such interesting and unique relationships with Morgan. >>3470276Magic. Sham marriage (speculation). MILFs are cool. Childhood crush/pilot of her dreams.>>3470326At least she isn’t our CO. She’s just the crew chief/mad scientist. Pretty sure it’d be manageable with the unique relationship here.
>>3470390>crew chiefThat's what makes it EXTRA HERESY.
>>3470342>Assuming Lotus=SOCOMUm. I'm not saying that wouldn't be fun but that is a TREMENDOUS leap of logic. We signed up to be a NAVY pilot. Do you really think the brass is going to allow SOCOM to poach us away from the fleet just to sit on our ass 99% of the time and only emerge to do secret squirrel shit? At most SOCOM can pull some strings and get a wyvern assigned to one of their missions, like the training exercise we just did. The wyvern alone costs more than a missile cruiser, that's why the SIO selection process is practically speed dating despite the implications of our choice lasting for DECADES. They would rather risk a match now rather than keep the wyvern out of combat service for another day because it's that expensive.
>>3467569She "accidentally" sent us a compromising picture of herself.
>>3470644That would be a very Cass move, yes.
>>3470644>>3470666>Send one backNo harm in it.
>>3470675Yes, there is.
>>3470675>>3470689^oh, there is so much harm in it.
>>3470689>>3470721Humor me, what’s the worst that can realistically happen
>>3470725We spend the rest of our natural life in Ft. Leavenworth. Not that’s its likely mind you, but you asked for the worse case and that’s kinda it.
>>3470342I’ll grant the endurance. I looked at her file from thread one; she’s not too bad on paper. But I’ll contest the SOCOM benefits for a moment. This is specifically with the assumption that we were to have Kyou in the back, and Danielle with Merlin. Anyway, there's specific mentions of weapons, sensors, and ‘keeping aircraft flying beyond their tolerances’, which is airframe/engine. Sounds pretty good, truth be told.She was noticeably tired via the link during our flight, but there were no audible or outward signs otherwise. That’s honestly better than Kyou. For WEP, Lotus had a “surprised squeak”, Danielle reacted as well, and Kyou didn’t give a fuck. While Kyou didn’t show any signs of tiredness during the flight, I think it was the shortest of the bunch, and we got hit by the drain once we landed. But yeah, Lotus wins there, A+. There might be something to be said about the intensity of the other flights compared to hers, but I don’t think I could take that argument anywhere. Perfect direction-keeping is very useful, but very niche. Supposing we’re in a SOCOM role requiring a Wyvern, I don’t think there’s many reasons we wouldn’t be able to have Danielle in Merlin’s super experimental thing by our side. She’d be able to push the X foot gap between radar coverage to an X thousand foot gap. Something to be said for not needing a wingman at all, but why not stack the deck in your favor? Couple that with actual advance planning and Lotus’ brand of long range navigational ability seems moot, but I could be missing something.For keeping the aircraft flying, I wonder how that might stack up against Kyou’s anti-inertial shield thing she has going on. Between her shield being dummy thick and our frame not caring about things like gravity, we might not need to worry about the structure at all with Kyou. While she’d be worse if there was something preexisting, she’d ideally be able to better keep things from cropping up. A larger concern is the engine wear and tear, but that could also be mitigated by telling physics to fuck off. That one’s on how far Ghost wants that to go. Nothing of note regarding sensors or weapons happened in our flight, so those comparisons are lost – honestly the most of note thing to happen to the weapons of any flight was that we let Kyou launch a few, which just shows she has basic target selection capabilities, nothing special. In the end, that endurance seems like a real standout point. I’m still not sold on Lotus, in my mind her all-roundedness means what she brings to the table could be easily found in wingmen or support, but a deeper dive has shown her to be more capable than I initially thought. My primary concern, however, remains her personality in regards to the transition to military, how she deals with combat, and what her mother’s reputation/reaction might bring about.And really, it’d be more like an inertialess flying brick – way cooler.
>>3470725>>3470759And encouraging her crush on us isn't a bad thing? One that Morgan, in character, doesn't reciprocate?
>>3470806> One that Morgan, in character, doesn't reciprocate?Yet. There are plenty who like her. If not, I’m sure she will appreciate something more than nothing
>>3470864There's been maybe two of you who are vocally into that. I'm personally of the opinion we should keep ignoring everything she does that's outside being a sister.
>>3470897Considering this is the first time I’ve mentioned her in this quest and I’ve seen a few others...It’s fine if you want something different though.
>>3470390>figures it would be the backseater and done...Sexing your closest co-worker is nice when it goes well and horrible when you have a falling out. Especially when it hinders teamwork. This of course being true in real life as much as the quest.
>>3470756>For WEP, Lotus had a “surprised squeak”, Danielle reacted as well, and Kyou didn’t give a fuck. Danielle was unfamiliar with some aspects of the plane as shown in the mission, and shows her emotions, compared to Kyou's stiff upper lip in anything. A unfair comparison. Also, during which mission did we WEP the longest ?
Lotus and long-distance flights? Forget SOCOM, how about Space Witches 2025, where Auntie M gets to embarrass Elon? Mars or bust!
>>3471147It's normal for a Wyvern crew to be in a relationship.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3302867/#p3338065>And the MUI is like that, yes. It's why the Navy and Coven board put so much emphasis on making absolutely certain the aircrew isn't made up of a witch and pilot who hate each other and the selection is so tightly monitored- they can't afford a bad match. While it's not unheard of to have a situation where one or the other member of the crew has an outside relationship, it's the exception rather than the rule.
>>3470342>"The Highly Classified Adventures Of Cat-Man and Hellgoose"I’ll be honest, I’m down for literally anything that isn’t “don’t worry about ground targets, just kill everything that flies”Also, given that Kyou has so much pointing towards her being the best choice, either A) she’s got some serious downside, like “kills her partner after a handful of flights” or B) she’s the designated waifu and Ghost is pushing us towards her intentionally, or C) both. I want to avoid the former for obvious reasons. And if the case is the second one, then I am morally and contractually obligated to say “fuck you” and try and push us to something not that.At this point, I don’t care if we go for Danielle or Lotus. Either is better than Kyou
>>3471236I try, very, very hard to not do that kind of thing. I know sometimes I am *very* bad at not letting biases show towards characters I enjoy working with, but I try to avoid that kind of thing as much as I can. It doesn't work for me, and I'm big into making sure everyone's having fun- if I wanted to write a story with a designated ship, It wouldn't be a quest! Hahaha!
Ok so would an optimal setup for us flying be Kyou in the Backseat, Lotus in one of those underslung centerline witch pods guiding us to target so she doesn't need to kill anyoneand Danielle on our wing in that prototype that Merlin mentioned?
>>3471236Quit overthinking everything. Just because we did one air superiority mission with Kyou doesn't mean our entire career will be nothing but that. Just like how one mission with Lotus that fits a SOCOM support profile doesn't mean that we can dictate our career parameters to the NAVY and fly nothing but specops stuff.
I will say that I am not really a fan of Danielle because while she is undoubtedly extremely useful, I feel that honestly she is too specialized.
>>3471362Put Lotus in AWACS strikers (or an actual AWACS) and have her coordinate.
>>3471608No doubt. But, that’s what the re-flight is for. She’s so obviously specialized and the mission we ran with her perfectly fit that speciality (hit-and-fade against radar-defended ground targets) so we need to re-flight to figure out if that’s all she can do.
>>3471236>I’ll be honest, I’m down for literally anything that isn’t “don’t worry about ground targets, just kill everything that flies”I don’t want to carry bombs though. They’re such a waste of space in an air superiority fighter. Imagine what we could’ve done with an extra tank on that last mission. We could’ve comfortably neutralized the witches (or tried to) and then we could’ve strafed the airfield with all of those cannons. Instead, the biggest recurring issue aside from stealth was our fuel levels. Kyou is probably the best option in the aircraft, but is also the most likely to second guess us. Working with her presents a unique set of challenges that happen to have the highest potential payout. To me, that is the more interesting and compelling, but I can see others choosing a safer yet less powerful option (especially with this tendency to avoid taking any risks despite the potential payout).
>>3471236>“kills her partner after a handful of flightsAce Combat x Franxx quest when. Ghostdivision ?
>>3471772If we take Danielle, we might end up doing a lot of Wild Weasel missions. Where we are going out with the specific job of actually hunting Anti-Aircraft sites. Another possibility with Danielle is that we are sent out hunting AWACS.
>>3471772>I don’t want to carry bombs though. They’re such a waste of space in an air superiority fighter.So, not a pound for air-to-ground?The undefeated world heavyweight champion Eagle-chan agrees.
>>3471779That seems more like planefag territory to me.I want it.
>>3471772>to avoid taking any risksI wonder what SOCOM thinks about taking such risks, even if we didn't always take the safest option as you're trying to strawman.
Tell me why we cant have another backseat installed or the current one slightly enlarged so we can fit another witch.
>>3471794Sometimes you gotta take risks, we're piloting an expensive craft yes. But we're not going to be able to use it too its fullest potential if we don't take risks.
>>3471806Can we, if the AI's learning has been stunted until we complete the selection ? And for that reason, do we have to go redline on our next flight already ? Although we can talk with the witch we're flying with next and ask if she can do a little more.
>>3471236>>3471273Well there we go. Word of God showing that y'all going "SHE HAS TO HAVE A NASTY DOWNSIDE" are paranoid and overthinking it.
>>3471784I’m thinking of the F-19 missions set from Red Storm Rising (precision stealth deep strikes—including ground and airborne radars—but also fuel depots, runways, and CPs) but with air-to-air capabilities so we aren’t just doing hit-and-fades. It could be a super nifty niche and different than Frank so we’re not just doing the same thing. Moreover, and I’m repeating myself here so forgive me, but anon really doesn’t understand how much better SAMs and SSMs are now. The Chinese aren’t going to be sending fighters up to shoot us down—they’re going to be using massive SAMs with ludicrous ranges and circular kill probables measured in hundreds of meters. Nor are they going to be sending planes after our carriers—they’ll use long range ‘carrier killer’ SSMs that can one-shot a Nimitz and get volleyed by the dozen. Indeed, ChiCom doctrine is the same as the old USSR—shoot more missiles at the carrier than its escorts have missiles to shoot back. In other words, even if the escorts get a 1-1 kill ratio on the SSMs (which will never happen), the carrier will still die. Give Clancy credit where credit is due—RSR did a superb job of showing carriers losing the carrier versus missile fight—and that was with 1980s light aircraft-carried anti-ship missiles. And on that note, remember that the missiles will ALWAYS outrage our carrier planes because they don’t have to carry the weight of pilots and their life-support gear, don’t have to nerf their maneuverability to avoid killing a pilot, and only have to make a one-way trip. Thus, those islands the Chinese have set up ensure that a carrier battle group is not going to get anywhere CLOSE to the mainland. In short, we CAN’T replay Frank even if we wanted to if we’re going up against the PLA, PLAAF, and PLAN—we’ll end up very dead, very quick, and to a missile that costs a fraction of our airframe. Not to mention we’ll get our carrier killed trying to get us close enough. What we CAN do is run low level precision strikes on those very bases to clear the way for our carriers by killing search radars, SSMs (and their targeting radars) and SAMs (and their targeting radars). But to do that we’ll have to go in with a precision anti-ground load and tons of extra fuel. And for that type of precision Danielle is probably going to be the better choice. Now, if we get jumped (and the ChiComs are building runways on some of their new islands) then Kyou would be very helpful—but even then our objective will be to run away and live to fight another day—and personality wise I’m not sure that’s her cup of tea. As far as Lotus, she’d be a major asset for getting us to those little islands, but I’m still not sold on her as a combat witch. Now, put her in a Hawkeye to walk us in by SATCOM, and that’s a whole different story...Anyway, just my opinions of course—take them for whatever they’re worth.
>>3471812>all that bullshit about carriers
>>3471812I very ,much enjoyed the F-19 sections of Red Storm Rising, hell the establishing character moment of the F-19 was awesome, where those stealth fighters splashed I think it was Mainstays more or less simultaneously. In Red Storm Rising though I wouldn't call the AS-6 "Kingfish" launched by Soviet Tu-22M Backfires a lightweight Anti-Ship Missile, the thing weighs 4,000-kilograms at launch, has a maximum speed that approaches Mach 3, and can heft 1,000-kilograms of pain. Its no surprise that one of those caused the Saipan to explode, while three sank the Foch, and two put the Nimitz out of action for pretty much the entire war.But against the Chinese? We'd have to be careful.
>>3471812>Moreover, and I’m repeating myself here so forgive me, but anon really doesn’t understand how much better SAMs and SSMs are now.I think you are vastly underestimating Kyou's ludicrous-tier shield and physics breaking shenanigans.Also on carrier defense shenanigans, if you think the USN hasn't been burning the midnight oil coming up with counters for that, you're underestimating the Navy.In short you're thinking like those idiots on /k/ who are all like "LOLOLOL CARRIERS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE OF CHINK SUPER MISSILE", not realizing that the US has had 30 years to come with a counter for that.
>>3471832>Also on carrier defense shenanigans, if you think the USN hasn't been burning the midnight oil coming up with counters for that, you're underestimating the Navy.In Red Storm Rising, the Soviets sucker-punched a combined American-French Battlegroup badly using a clever tactic. The first part of this tactic involved Tu-16 "Badgers", they came in and were armed with old AS-5 "Kelts", just before they launched, they initiated jamming which meant that radars had to go active in order to burn through said jamming. The "Badgers" then launched their Kelts, which had been modified to emit a signature similar to the search radar that the Tu-22M "Backfire" was equipped with. The Kelts drew the American F-14 Tomcats off, when they got in missile range they started launching their AIM-54s, but they were wondering why the Soviets were acting so dumb. Then they got illuminated by a Tu-95RT with its big Surface Search radar and it was around this time that the Tomcats got into Camera Range and found out they were shooting at Kelts. Then the Backfires appeared and delivered a nasty spanking to the Americans and the French. Let's see, I think the total was two Frigates, one Destroyer, French Carrier Foch, the American Assault Ship Saipan all sunk, Ticonderoga had her aft superstructure shredded by a near miss, Nimitz had her arresting wire system and CIC wiped out (almost everyone in CIC was killed), and the other carrier the Saratoga I think had her radar mast amputated. Plus its known that in Strikers '89 that the Saratoga did get hit. So honestly with the right tactic, a missile attack will most certainly hurt.
>>3471851I don't think anyone is denying that missiles can and will hurt if something clever is pulled. The post he is replying to however essentially says that a carrier is toast no matter what if it gets within range of missiles. Which is not true.
>>3471868Yeah, you got to get around the AEGIS ships first because they got a lot of missiles. I would be more worried about the PLAN Submarine Force, sure they got a lot of crappy subs. But they also got a number of very good submarines, like the Kilo class and some of the newer Ming class submarines.
>>3471882The point Clancy made in RSR, which is a real fear, is getting shot at by more than the Aegis ships can shoot down. Once they’re out, it’s game over. That was the real soviet doctrine, and now its PLAN’s doctrine.
>>3471868I don’t spend any time on this board other than Ghost’s quests so I can’t claim familiarity with the debate being referenced. What I can say is that we haven’t run a single carrier on a freedom of navigation exercise through the Yellow or South China Seas since they built those islands. We’ve run destroyers, at high speed. That tells us all we need to know. Sure, we’ve got a dozen fleet carriers (if you count the Ford) plus the mini-carriers (LHDs, etc.)—and they’d all be sunk before they got within 500 miles of the Chinese coastline. Period. That’s not BS, that’s our current doctrine. A Tico has 122 SAMs and we only have 22 of them—rarely more than one per carrier battlegroup. That’s what got the Saipan and Foch toasted in RSR, and it’s our biggest worry today. That’s what the Tico refits almost doubled the SAM load over the baselines. Sure, if we hit them with all of the carriers and escorts at the same time we’d smoke them easily (because we’d have so many escorts we’d be able to down the SSMs) but that’s never going to happen. We’ve never put more than three CVNs in the same operational theater at the same time—and I can’t see that changing. Too much risk (e.g. a tactical nuclear strike). Every simulation I’ve seen of putting a carrier group (or three) inside the Philippines-Formosa-Japan line does not end well for us. And before anybody starts talking about submarines and Tomahawks to take out those batteries—check the average depth in the area and the problem with that solution becomes apparent. Spirits could be doable but we just don’t have enough of them. Air launched cruise missiles are a possibility—but, again, the islands are specifically designed to put them out of range if the mainland. If we don’t ‘sink’ their unsinkable aircraft carriers, they’re going to be able to keep us out of range if the mainland. In short, the ChiComs aren’t stupid (and neither are we). Everything between China and Taiwan is a carrier no-go in the event of war until those SSM sites are neutralized. Once that’s done, then the fun begins. Our doctrine focuses on making that happen, and theirs focuses on stopping us. Now, I do not claim to be the god of US carrier tactics, much less in somebody else’s fictional world. So I’m hardly going to go throw a fit if Ghost starts throwing fleet carriers into the SCS. But, if we’re assuming that the QuestChiComs disposition and tactics mirror their real-world counterparts, then there is an opportunity for us to do the deep-strike missions that would be necessary to put a carrier group in range of the mainland with some margin of safety—and I’d personally enjoy that mission profile. That was the only point I was trying to make—not start an argument on whether carriers are obsolete (hint: they aren’t).
>>3472123It also depends if the Nuclear Powered Cruisers were kept in service, particularly considering that around this time they were lined up to receive the New Threat Upgrade which is a nasty little upgrade allowing ships with the NTU to effectively slave their Missile FCS to an AEGIS ship without having to go active with their own radars. Plus the Long Beach, might still be in service having been retrofitted to an AEGIS cruiser herself. But I don't know. I do know that in Tom Clancy's novel, SSN that depth often times played merry hell with sonar performance and that the smaller submarines that China uses operate much better in that area than our big boats.
>>3472123>A Tico has 122 SAMs and we only have 22 of them—rarely more than one per carrier battlegroup.There's also usually 2-3 Burkes per group each with 96 cells, fewer for the earlier flights though not by much. Though to be fair both the Ticos and the Burkes tend to carry mixed loads.
>>3472227It should also be noted that while they do have cells with RIM-162s, also known as the Evolved Sea Sparrow, they can have those things quad-packed, which means they carry four-missiles per cell, however only Burkes starting with DDG-79 can carry them, but that means that even if you only have ten cells carrying ESSMs your carrying forty of the damned things. However we also have to remember that in Strikers 89, WWIII started just as Burke production was beginning. So its entirely likely that the Burkes as an idea were scrapped or we decided to use them as DESRON Flotilla Leaders and we hurriedly designed then built because a smaller class of AEGIS equipped destroyer because at that point, only USS Arleigh Burke would've been afloat and she wasn't even commissioned yet, while USS Barry the 2nd ship in the class hadn't even been laid down yet.So it was a case of design something that's roughly the size of a Long-Hulled OHP, equipped with a 5in gun, AEGIS, and a VLS much quicker or wait who knows how long while the yards hurriedly work on the new Burkes, while the new destroyer can be built at all the yards that have worked on the OHPs.
>>3472257>So its entirely likely that the Burkes as an idea were scrappedNope, Burkes got mentioned last thread.
>>3471794They prize ingenuity and adaptive thinking over avoiding all risk. But what do I know? It’s not straw manning to point out an obvious trend. With debatable exceptions on some stealth decisions, we have consistently picked the safest and most by-the-book approaches, even going as far as to lose points in these events in an effort to avoid any risk. Some groups may like that, I think? But others will be less than impressed by this “stick it to the brass with technical success” mentality. People have been shitlisted for that.
>>3472273Well maybe as an idea they weren't entirely scrapped, but I doubt there is as many of them around. Due to the fact that in-universe, it would likely be a case of needing new hulls now, thus they have likely been relegated to the destroyer leader role like in the JMSDF of OTL. While a new smaller class of AEGIS destroyers were built during WWIII, just because we can crank out a 450-foot ship quicker than a 530-odd foot long ship.
>>3472361>While a new smaller class of AEGIS destroyers were built during WWIII, just because we can crank out a 450-foot ship quicker than a 530-odd foot long ship.This has literally never been mentioned in any part of the quest. Where are you getting your info?
>>3472388He's not, he's making shit up.
>>3472388Autists gonna autist in a setting that uses real world tech.
>>3472388I am just postulating here. Because we don't know if that is what happened or not, it could be an example similar to the M3 Lee "We need a decent tank now, rather than waiting six months to a year for the newer and better Sherman to enter service."Because while the Pacific seemed to be fairly quiet, you can bet that the Atlantic would have been an utter meat-grinder for hulls because of the fact that with Iceland under Soviet control, we would have lost a SOSUS Line and a vital airbase allowing the Soviets to hit the convoys and carrier groups with missile armed bombers and submaries as they please.The AS-6 Kingfish was designed to sink carriers, the thing had a warhead big enough that even having one blow up maybe two hundred meters away thanks to CIWS would turn the superstructure into swiss cheese just from all fragments and if you took a direct hit, your ship was likely on a one-way trip to the bottom.Plus we had that other Soviet Super Sub running around, given the firepower of that thing, makes you wonder.
>>3472421If we know that the first Burke was (near) ready when the war kicked off, it actually makes more sense to ramp up production of a known and at least somewhat tested design instead of trying to design something else for a similar role from scratch.Assuming more yards could take up production, more Burkes could actually be the most efficient option.
>>3472212Point. And nukes could support directed energy weapons as a CIWS so that changes the figures too. Not saying that the jig is up in-quest, but I doubt the Navy is any more willing to put the CVNs in harms way than they are now—ESPECIALLY after losing the Saratoga last quest. Things like that tend to haunt tacticians.
>>3472257There’s no doubt our CBGs carry a shit-ton of SAMs. The issue is the kill ratio. If we get 1-1 or even 2-1 then we’d probably be okay. But the real figures ain’t that good—and that’s not even taking into account the hypersonics that the ChiComs may or may not have in this quest...
>>3472431You don't just counter missiles with missiles. Jamming, decoys, and general ECM are the other half of the equation, and historically, ECM has done more to thwart missile threats than interceptors. Take the USS Mason, which was fired at multiple times by Chinese-made anti-ship missiles, and none of them even got into CWIS range thanks a combination of jamming and the deployment of Nulka decoys. Not to mention, these ultra long range missiles need a kill chain to guide them to the carrier group, which, unlike many other strategic targets, can actively move. Anti-ship missiles need to be constantly updated on the fleet's position in real time or they'll never actually find their target. One of the reasons the US never developed ultra long range anti-ship missiles was because they concluded that they could make the longest range missile, but that range would be useless if they didn't have the capability to actually get accurate targeting data at those ranges.
>>3472428>ESPECIALLY after losing the Saratoga last quest.How the fuck do you mix up the Kitty Hawk and the Saratoga? Saratoga got hit but was repaired, Kitty Hawk went down due to maser fire.
>>3472307I get it. Some of this is due to the fact that some people who actually live (or used to live) in the military world enjoy these quests (kinda like some cops like police procedural because they show all the stuff a beat cop wishes they could do but can’t in the real world) but tend, due to their training, to be more conservative. So it can be fun to play around in a fictional world but still have SOME of the constraints that would be in place in the real world (albeit a real world where pantless little girls are a major military asset). That said, I more than I’d understand anons (both military and civilian) who want to just say fuck it and blow shit up. I’m not inextricably tied to either path, though I (obviously) prefer the more ‘realistic’ route where an aircraft of this price-tag is NOT going to be thrown willy-billy into a furball unless there is no other choice. Either way, I’m not going to cause any problems and will be happy to roll with whatever anon chooses and Ghost throws at us. Of course, I’ll still pitch in for my preferred path when appropriate but I take no offense when anon chooses to go a totally different direction.In short—I’m looking forward to the ride regardless of how we play this.
>>3472443Because I’m an idiot. Obviously. Thanks for catching that switcharoo. Doesn’t change the substance of my point, but my mistake anyway.
>>3472439No doubt. But our experience with post-2000 missiles against our latest jamming tech under actual combat conditions at a fleet level is basically non-existent. Simulations and exercises (even live fire ones) can only do so much. And the Russian inter-missile communication systems that the ChiComs bought have never been tested in actual combat either. You may very well be right that we’d spoof the hell out of them. Or, it could be that the big radar sets they’re setting up on the islands coupled with satellite guidance would but right through it. I have no idea. I’m just hesitant to risk a carrier if I don’t have to—and I suspect we’d try to knock out those sites before we trailed our coat inside the perimeter.
>>3472428We lost the Kitty Hawk last quest, though Saratoga did get by Soviet or Chinese bombers. Hell, some elements of Red Storm Rising were taken for Strikers '89, with the Soviet Operation Polar Glory (the Soviet Invasion of Iceland), this also likely means that the French lost the Foch and the Nimitz got her teeth smashed in by two missiles (one hit the aft port corner of the flightdeck and the other landed right on top of the number two arresting wire, CIC got wiped out too) and the Saratoga (more likely another aircraft carrier instead of the Saratoga since Super Sara was in the Pacific Fleet) got her radar mast amputated, Tico's aft superstructure got shredded, Saipan took a hit and blew the fuck up, two frigates, and a destroyer also sunk. The joint American-French taskforce had been given the job of booting the Soviets off of Iceland, since the loss of Iceland and the Greenland-Iceland SOSUS Line meant that we had a hole in our defenses against bombers and submarines. This would've happened on literally day one or two of the war, all of the news stations would've been focusing on Europe blowing wide open and Iceland getting invaded so that carrier group getting smashed probably went by everyone's notice at least until Nimitz and her nuclear powered escorts limped in. But since there was no mention of it, it probably didn't happen or maybe it did and we just didn't hear about it.
>>3472467>This would've happened on literally day one or two of the warThe Soviets didn't invade Iceland until months into the war
>>3472777Okay, huh thought that would've been something that they would've done right at the start. Its what I would've done, knocked Iceland out of the War would've allowed me to rip the Greenland-Iceland SOSUS line and part of the Iceland-United Kingdom SOSUS Line apart, allowing my submarines near free reign in the Atlantic forcing NATO to assign fast attack boats to plug the holes. Plus it would've allowed me to have an emergency landing site for my Backfires, Badgers. and Bears as they beat the shit out of convoys and the occasional carrier group.
>>3472467There's nothing to support RSR being canon to '89. Case in point >>3472777
>>3472796Honestly, just replace the invasion of Alaska with Seattle and I would have had a hard time believing that Strikers '89 had bits of World in Conflict was canon.
>>3472796Wasn’t saying it was—I was just using it as a decently well-researched example of carriers versus missiles and a possible mission profile for us.
We should definitely send a picture to Cass. she's lonely at sea, doesn't need to be anything overtly sexual-just a shirtless selfie to hold her over.
>>3472874This. And consider deleting the picture of Cass. It might get her (and you) in mild trouble if anyone finds it on your phone.
Think that we might be able to "Play Zeus" as it were by flying stratospheric in order to fly over the maximum radar altitude of enemy SAM radars, then come down pretty much right on top of the SAM sites like an enraged Thunder God?
>>3472874I’m down.>>3472941They’d have a lot of explaining to do if they’re going through our phone. Easy to play dumb on with the way she sent it using a mirror.
>>3472428>but I doubt the Navy is any more willing to put the CVNs in harms way than they are nowUnless technological advances make CVNs less "sinkable".
>>3472307>People have been shitlisted for that.Morgan Laroux-Bishop, one of two Wyvern pilots, won't be shitlisted as fast. And the fact that the witch from last battle thought she was fighting a veteran Wyv pilot, says enough I think. And there is the thing of OOC abuse, pushing it knowing that Ghost wont let us be shot down, our Wyvern trashed, or Morgan being significantly injured.
>>3472971I thought I saw a number of around 40 wyverns? The best of the best and all that. How do you think the risk takers that could back it up scored? Mommy and daddy’s names become far less relevant compared to demonstrated performance when shit pops off. If you’re a mover and shaker about to send your boys in, do you want the pilot and fucks names and takes bitches or the one that checks objectives off on a clipboard and leaves a mess on the ground and in the air? “Mission accomplished” is a dirty phase in modern warfare. ...we’ve been shot down before. And injured severely. And technically killed. Give the QM some more credit. Regardless, I don’t see how having a different opinion is abusing the meta.
>>3472971>one of two Wyvern pilotsWhat? There's a little under 40 Wyverns.>Ghost wont let us be shot down, our Wyvern trashed, or Morgan being significantly injured.You want fibersteel in Morgan's chest? That's how you get fibersteel in Morgan's chest.
>>3472957Point, but blowing big holes in the hull is still a proven method of sinking just about anything.
>>3473007>Mission accomplished” is a dirty phase in modern warfare.Uh, no. The modern US Navy is ALL about accomplishing the mission and returning with the crew uninjured and the airplane in one piece. Staying on mission is a huge point of emphasis in all of the uniformed services—and even units given a lot of leeway in defining their own mission (e.g. special forces operators) still live and breath the mission. Frankly, the real-world Navy would be delighted at getting somebody who can do the crazy shit that Frank did but can also stay on mission and execute a pretty flawless battleplan when called upon to do so. That may be a bit different in-verse due to witches and their know predilection for independent action—but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that the rank and file are THAT different than reality. In my opinion (for what that’s worth) the only critical mistake on our first mission was the brass not telling us that we were SUPPOSED to show off—which is why we get another shot with Danielle to do that (if we can).
>>3473118>the brass not telling us that we were SUPPOSED to show offNot even our mistake. That first mission was flawless.
>>3472123I'm going to disagree heavily with your assessment, and say that you must not have been looking very hard. A Carrier Strike Group is going to consist of at bare minimum the CV, 2x DDGs, and 1x CG. Burkes have quite a lot of payload themselves, and do posses the AEGIS system. In times of war, we quite probably would see that increased by one or more Burkes. Additionally, the biggest problem with this situation is one of targeting. A carrier strike group can actually be very damn sneaky when it needs to be. The link below tells an interesting story in addition to being educational and is definitely worth a full read. The long and short of it is that in 1982, a CVBG snuck in undetected into striking distance of Vladivostok and stayed there for four days undetected, running "mirror strikes" on Vladivostok (basically running strikes in the exact opposite direction, but the same distance from the carrier). After that, they revealed that they were in fact present and then for four more days dodged every single Soviet attempt to find them until they thought they had learned everything they needed to and didn't want to let the Soviets learn any more. Long story short: the best way to avoid getting shot is to avoid being seen with enough clarity to get a targeting solution.http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-031.phpAs for putting a carrier in the Taiwan Straight during wartime, why would you want to? You can sail on the opposite side of Taiwan and do everything you would be doing.
>>3473007>do you want the pilot and fucks names and takes bitches or the one that checks objectives off on a clipboard and leaves a mess on the ground and in the air?the RIP AND TEAR pilot wouldn't care about leaving a mess on the ground and in the air just as long as his ego was statisfied and there was a carnage.
>>3473198Well I'm sure Morgan'll end up with his fair share of scars depending on how things go.
>>3471812>Nor are they going to be sending planes after our carriers—they’ll use long range ‘carrier killer’ SSMs that can one-shot a Nimitz and get volleyed by the dozen. Indeed, ChiCom doctrine is the same as the old USSR—shoot more missiles at the carrier than its escorts have missiles to shoot back. In other words, even if the escorts get a 1-1 kill ratio on the SSMs (which will never happen), the carrier will still die. Give Clancy credit where credit is due—RSR did a superb job of showing carriers losing the carrier versus missile fight—and that was with 1980s light aircraft-carried anti-ship missiles. So let me interject a little bit here. I want you to step back a little and think of the actual technology here. No, the Backfires were not launching tiny little missiles that needed to be massed in order to achieve kills. They were massing VERY BIG missiles that could each kill a ship that it hit, or at the very least so seriously damage it as to be highly likely to render it combat ineffective. The reason they were massing them was not because they needed multiple hits per target, but rather that the defenses were very strong. They needed to mass an entire regiment of bombers toting multiple missiles apiece in order to try and make sure some of the missiles got through to hit the right target. Even back then, the intercepting missiles were highly capable and they had a lot of them. That being said, the biggest problem they had was that of rate of fire. The ships that were around in Red Storm Rising were all using arm launchers. These carried one or two missiles on arms which had to acquire a new missile after each firing. Understandably, these have significant rate of fire concerns. When you've got missiles as fast as them, ships wouldn't be able to fire their SAMs fast enough, so they would die with still relatively full ammunition loads. VLS, on the other hand, allows for vastly improved rate of fire. You can be launching a missile every second. Rate of fire can still be a concern, but generally you're going to be getting off a lot more missiles than before. The USN works under the assumption that it will take three of their missiles to intercept any one enemy missile. That being said, the British Royal Navy works under the assumption that it takes two. I'd say two is probably more likely, but the British are working under much greater fiscal restraints, as well as restraints on the number of missiles that can fit in their ships' magazines. The US can quite literally afford the money and space for the extra surety that driving that pk (percent chance of kill) even higher. To put it into perspective, the UK could think that their missiles have a 95% chance of killing an incoming vampire with two missiles, but the US would like to drive that number even higher, and so budgets three missiles for a kill. That being said, I will use both numbers to illustrate this. cont.
>>3471812>>3473324A CSG normally contains at least three escorts: A Ticonderoga and two Arleigh Burke class. I will assume that each of these ships has approximately 2/3rds of their maximum number of VLS cells filled with SAMs. For the Burkes, 60 cells. For the Tico, 100 cells. Additionally, a number of these are be filled with ESSM, which can be packed four to a cell. I'm going to assume that it's 10 cells on the Burkes and 20 on the Tico, for a total of 90 SAMs per Burke and 180 per Tico, and a grand total of 360 SAMs in the CSG, not counting the CV's limited armament.If we use the US's estimate, that's 120 downed vampires. The UK's: 180. But then we have to look at more considerations: the weapons themselves. To make a long story short (because it's getting late), the vast majority of the Chinese anti-ship missile capability they have is not in fact the scary and long ranged DF-21s or -26s, but rather much shorter ranged missiles of a rather large variety. Even then, let's assume they have a theoretically unlimited supply of missiles. You then need the TELs to launch them. Each one of those big ones needs to be carried singly in a TEL. How many TELs do the Chinese have for those types? How many missiles can they mass on one target? That being said, they are relatively fewer than the more prevalent smaller typesThe Chinese make use of a wide variety of smaller anti-ship missiles. The TELs for them are far more mobile and easier to hide. However, if we go back to the carrier group here for a moment, we need to actually shoot at the things. We'll go with the YJ-62A. Their TELs carry 3 missiles each. In order to overwhelm a carrier group, they'd need to mass 41 (US) or 61 (UK) TELs to get hits on the ships inside. I highly doubt they can even fit that many on the islands. Additionally, all of the smaller ones have a shorter range than the carrier group's fighters. A pop up attack conducted by Super Hornets and Growlers could hit them even behind SAM coverage. Or they could be doing long range attacks with standoff weaponry, able to quickly dive if fired upon a hundred nmi away. Even if the missile somehow maintains its lock, it's going to have to dive back into the dense air towards the surface and will burn its energy doing so, thus likely defeating the missile. The even scarier part is with stealth aircraft. They don't give a single fuck about your SAMs. In the most recent Red Flag, the Italians brought in their F-35s for the first time and were RAVING about its performance in SEAD. https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/02/heres-what-three-italian-f-35-instructor-pilots-with-62nd-fs-have-to-say-about-their-first-red-flag-with-the-lightning-ii/Long story short, yes, it's certainly possible to fight such islands with aircraft, even with theoretically no tankers to extend their range. With tankers its much easier. That is not to say the Chinese wouldn't be a tough nut to crack, but these islands are just speedbumps. That is by design.
>>3473177>You can sail on the opposite side of Taiwan and do everything you would be doing.Plus putting any ground based air defenses present on Taiwan between the angry PRC with their missiles, and your big expensive boats.
>>3473325>the Italians brought in their F-35s for the first time and were RAVING about its performance in SEAD.Finally some good news about that absurdly expensive plane.
>>3473439Literally every plane ever has run late and over budget.The F-35 is actually a MONSTER of a plane, and once production ramps up, sufficient unit production will help ameliorate the development costs. It's not the Raptor, but it IS a beast in its own right.
>>3473439Honestly, the biggest problem I have with the F-35B and F-35C is the fact that unless you have specially designed pod, you don't have a gun and given the prevalence of stealth aircraft in Strikers-verse like the Fandance, as well as mentioned in Spec Ops Witches 2016, the Su-47 Frikin and MiG-1.44 Flatpack (in thread its called the MiG-35 Flatpack) along with how common WWI-Style Furballs were during WWIII, I would want to have a gun. In light of this fact while its not definitive it is somewhat plausible that the F-35 series in the Strikers-verse is somewhat different then how we know the F-35 series OTL. Overall shape as well as the engine is the same but the dimensions for the F-35A and F-35C is likely different from OTL: 55 to 57-feet long (bigger than the Falcon but smaller than the Hornet) while due to the fact that the F-35B is a STOVL aircraft and thus needs to be lighter, its likely still 50-feet long (thus earning it the nickname the snub-nosed Lightning II). The wingspan for the F-35A is brought up to 43-feet, same as the F-35C which gives the fighter a larger wing area and would improve performance. Although the F-35B again since its a STOVL fighter has 35-foot wingspans which still gives it more wing area than the Harrier II so it would still have a performance increase over the Harrier II.However this longer length for the F-35C means a very important fact, you can now squeeze in an internal gun, which even if its just an ADEN Cannon re-chambered for 25x137mm, you still have an internal gun, the F-35B is still stuck with an external gun-pod, but eh, the Harrier Jump Jet has an external gun-pod containing an ADEN 30 so no changes there, though instead of a GAU-22 it might have an ADEN instead, because the ADEN is lighter and smaller than the GAU-22 so it won't hamper performance as much.One last interesting fact OTL, the USAF pilots gave the F-35A the nickname Panther, Marine pilots recently gave the F-35B the nickname Velociraptor, while Navy pilots call F-35Cs Raven. Links below:https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a20789594/the-f-35s-new-much-better-nickname-is-panther/https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/5rxpgy/any_nicknames_yet/https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/marines-love-f-35-so-much-they-gave-it-nickname-velociraptor-35602
>>3473462>the USAF pilots gave the F-35A the nickname Panther, Marine pilots recently gave the F-35B the nickname Velociraptor, while Navy pilots call F-35Cs RavenYeah, because "Lightning II" is a shit name. It's like how the F-16 is the Viper, because Fighting Falcon is a shit name.
>>3473462PLANES DO NOT NEED A GUN YOU FUCKING RETARDGod, I hope this Sprey-tier “Hurr durr, MUH VIETNAM GUNS” meme dies soon. It’s starting to get on my nerves
>>3473541Exactly, we don't need a gun.We need a PLSL.
>>3473551No, fuck off
>>3473443This doesn't help my dumbfuck government who probably signed for the first batch of planes, and amount of money that can only go up, not down.
>>3473511The the pilots loved the original Battlestar Galactica ...
>>3473325The point is very well taken. That said, the SSM tech has improved significantly since the 80s too. Assuming they stay anywhere close to even with each other you still have a numbers problem because an island (or land in general) can always carry more missiles than a ship can. I agree that we’ll get by the islands, the question is whether we want Morgan to be the one running the missions to bust them or be waiting until they’re gone to get to play ...
>>3473541If you have space on the airframe to install a gun, why wouldn’t you? Maybe you won’t use it every mission, but it’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Besides, WWIII proved that dogfighting is not dead, so it makes sense that pilots and aircraft designers would value having a gun.
>>3473605>why wouldn’t you? Because it’s added weight and space.>Maybe you won’t use it every mission, but it’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have itThat’s a stupid argument, because it can be used to justify literally anything>>do we really need a scramjet on our light fighter?“BeTtEr To HaVe It AnD nOt NeEd It”
>>3473605Indeed, in the Strikers-verse further reinforced the argument that dogfighting isn't dead, the last time we assumed that Dogfighting wasn't dead, it got both the USAF and USN kicked in the balls over Vietnam, Top Gun came about BECAUSE of Vietnam. Plus missiles have this thing called minimum safe distance, if you are closer than that threshold and you fire a missile, you'll destroy your target and shoot yourself down because of shrapnel. A gun doesn't have that issue.
>>3473610>Because it’s added weight and space.An M61 cannon is less than 1% the weight of an F-15. The weight is negligible.>That’s a stupid argument, because it can be used to justify literally anythingExcept planes regularly close to dogfighting range in this universe. Both our witch kills so far have been with the gun. It's not unreasonable to design your planes for a dogfight.
>>3473657Except I’m not talking about in universe. I’m talking about in reality. And in reality, a gun is basically pointless on a fighter. Yet for some reason, retards cling to the belief that every fighter forever and ever HAS to have a gun, simply because a combination of factors cause the Phantom to have a less than fantastic record in a war forty years ago.
>>3473677If the gun is easily "demontaged" we can fly the next mission without a gun. That would resolve the argument, maybe.
>>3473687AgainI AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE QUESTI am talking about reality. I.e. the real world. I.e, the one without sparkly bullshit
>>3473677Then why were you replying to a post specifically talking about "in-universe" F-35's?
>>3473677The prevelance of stealth and the fact that you might not see your opponent until you get into visual range, combined with the fact that missiles have a minimum safe distance and that if your inside that minimum safe distance when you fire a missile and it hits its target you'll eat shrapnel from either the enemy plane or your own missile which could frag your plane. This minimum safe distance issue is part of the reason why the F-4E Phantom was armed with a Vulcan Cannon, you also only carry a limited number of missiles, once your out and its a within-visual range fight and both you and the enemy is out of missiles yet you don't have a gun but the other guy does, then he's going to continue to engage going for a gun kill while you won't be able to do jackshit about it except disengage.Plus having a gun adds more flexibility for ground-strikes, sure bombs or rockets might be more effective in terms of dealing damage to the enemy, but putting a burst into an enemy target with a gun could not only remove bad guys from the fight but also hearing the sound of that gun, which is like a great big zipper or a buzz saw going off, along with suddenly a hundred rounds impacting near your position means that it would have a psychological impact on your opponent.
>>3473702I wasn’t. I was specifically addressing >the biggest problem I have with the F-35B and F-35C is the fact that unless you have specially designed pod, you don't have a gunWhich was in direct response to the discussion of F-35’s in OTL
>>3473704>This minimum safe distance issue is part of the reason why the F-4E Phantom was armed with a Vulcan CannonWhich is irrelevant when you can ACTUALLY USE MISSILES AT THE RANGES INTENDED. Because warplanners in Vietnam were stupid about RoE
>>3473704>means that it would have a psychological impact on your opponent.Seeing a part of the area explode into a firestorm and not knowing what part is next has a psychological impact too, or not ?
>>3473723Shh, quiet. You’ll upset the Warthog-fags
>>3473203I’m really not sure what you’re basing this off of.>>3473118So you think there is ever a time where a navy liaison is going to tell a joint commander that the reason why we lost a team of finite operators on insertion or extraction in a fight against a near-peer foe is because the navy didn’t feel like sticking their necks out because of a price tag? Goat herder combat doctrine is very different than near-peer doctrine. These aren’t opinions.
>>3474212If the mission is protecting those operators then it's not mission accomplished until they're fucking safe dickhead. The only reason Morgan hasn't been ripping shit up is because these missions have all given us an objective to accomplish that is fuck easy. The mission was "Blow up the radar" not "Blow up the radar and shred their top cover" so Morgan didn't bother. Same with the airfield. Protect the tranport, the transport is fucking fine. Nothing Morgan has done shows any sign of backing down, we just don't go fucking psycho like Frank did a couple times.So "Mission accomplished" is a perfectly fine operating parameter.
>>3474230I think a better term instead of "Mission Accomplished" would be "Everything by the numbers."
>>3474230Does the brass just want Morgan to be Frank 2.0 and nothing more ? Maybe we'll have to ask Merlin.
>>3473541>PLANES DO NOT NEED A GUN YOU FUCKING RETARD>God, I hope this Sprey-tier “Hurr durr, MUH VIETNAM GUNS” meme dies soon. It’s starting to get on my nervesVietnam and the SNAFU with the F-4 would like a word with your idiocy. Missiles can be spoofed, they can miss and they can fail to arm and dozens of other issues, even in the modern era, so having a back up weapon is never a bad thing. But you wouldn't know that because I doubt you know anything about anything that you haven't heard from shitposting on /k/.
>>3474230I guess some people aren’t going to get the George Bush reference. Though this needlessly hostile mentality in blaming the brass is part of the problem that I was referring to earlier.>>3474301Exactly. Sometimes doing things just by the numbers ends up producing a less than adequate result. Intel isn’t perfect and objectives are based off of intel. A good operator will adapt and overcome any additional obstacles or objectives that present themselves. This is the absolute standard. I fail to see why a pilot... with a higher pay grade... would be allowed to scrape by with the minimum and still be allowed to work with groups that expect and demand excellence.
>>3474364Regardless, being a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer might be part of the reason why SOCOM is interested in us.
>>3474301>>3474364Everything by the numbers is what the military loves, when it is possible. SOCOM would love a mission to go by the numbers. The fact that this rarely happens isn't a reason to not practice like it should. Improvise, adapt and overcome is great and all but there's not been anything for Morgan to adapt too, except the witch box which we blew through hard enough that a veteran witch was calling bullshit on us being a rookie. By the numbers for that was to go defensive and seek a disengage somehow, which we absolutely did not do.That fact that we aren't absolutely slaughtering everything in the sky isn't an issue, we've been told repeatedly this selection process is supposed to bust down cocky veterans that think the Wyvern makes them invincible. Frank didn't start out the Butcher, neither should Morgan.>>3474314Dunno, we'll have to see.>>3474212Also this? Yes. There's a point where the Navy gets to tell SOCOM to fuck off because it'll cost them too many men and air frames to do what they're asking for. Is that point far out there? Yes. Is it there? Also yes.
>>3474416Eh, they should be looking for a sledgehammer that can do scalpel work. Why settle for less? Based on what we’ve done so far, I genuinely don’t see why we would stick out beyond our name.
>>3474429We’ve accomplished three missions by ourselves against significant opposition. The US hasn’t routinely sent pilots in solo on anything but strategic bomber missions in half a century, yet we’re pulling it off. Imagine having to dedicate a whole fighter squadron to protect one radar site and losing the site anyway. That’s a huge combat multiplier.
>>3474437>In any other situation, especially considering how green you are, that’d be an excellent showing.>In a wyvern, however, that’s considered a barely passable score. That still puts you in the top half of the first timers, including guys transitioning over from tomcats or hornets.From our first mission debrief. Simply “going by the numbers”, we aren’t bad, but we certainly aren’t the best. Our second flight was a bust for technical reasons. Our third flight wasn’t optimal because we opted to ignore the recommendations of our arguably more experienced crew, who had went ahead planning without us just because we didn’t head over to the flightline right away (which is fine, just noting why they were prompted to recommend in the first place). We opted to carry bombs instead of more fuel and then we had issues with low fuel. Based on what I’ve read in this thread, that seems to be due to some aversion to the fact that we already have like four fuck-off cannons. I’m fairly neutral on them btw, but it was clearly a bad idea to bring more toys than we needed.My point is that we aren’t pushing it enough. Which is weird when the character has a backstory indicating that he has a tendency to push things to the limit. I think the most interesting vote of the last flight was the one that lead to us taking out one of the witches. We aren’t like our father, we are something different, but perhaps something more.>>3474314I suppose the mentality I’m trying to go with here is to be nothing LESS than Frank 2.0. We won’t know until we push our limits.
These are the bits from last flight that I’m referencing:>They’re playing games- looking for what dad was. You’re not him- he and maman made sure you’re far scarier a beast altogether. >You know what this is, of course. Same thing, you suspect, all of your workup cycles are going to be. They’re playing games, pushing you. The know your profile- you’re competitive and hate losing, and they’re looking for that spark of what dad was- that hair on fire wildman, the warhound that can’t be killed. > You’re not him, of course. Maman made sure of that. >Dad fought like a wild animal- fangs out and making his aircraft do things it really had no right to do. Something of that’s in you too of course- but you didn’t grow up being raised by a pair of veterans of the southeast Asian conflict, you grew up being raised by the mother of night. You learned very quickly that wild passion and fury worked- but only if you knew when and how to channel it. Maman made you learn. Out of fear, maybe, but she made you learn.
>>3474325The failure of pilots in Vietnam was not due to the gun or lack thereof. It was pilot training. The USAF especially failed to correctly train their pilots, so most of the missile shots they did make were out of envelope, and so obviously missed. The problem was all around SAC's complete dominance of the USAF's higher ranks and thus everything to do with running it. SAC commanders didn't realize that "Universal Pilots" who could fly anything from a a four engine transport to a single engine fighter were not a good idea. Remember, the USN retained a higher kill/loss ratio than the USAF throughout the entire war. Even when the USN was unsatisfied with its performance, it sought a training solution. The F-4J retained a significantly higher kill/loss ratio than the F-4E, despite the E possessing an internal gun while the J did not.
>>3474682Yeah, training was all sorts of fucked and combined with the ROE of missile engagements meaning most shots would miss or not lock at all meant it was a clusterfuck. Having a gun or not didn't really have an impact.
>>3474682To be fair, the USN did the training thing at the urge of the F-8 Crusader pilots, which were gun-armed aircraft.
>>3474725Which is in part why the USN did better than the USAF. They still had institutional knowledge of how to dogfight. Maybe not in all of their fighter communities, but in some of them.
>>3474730Exactly, one thing I am thinking about is how lethal the Fandance may have become since we last saw them in action, they might have four Gsh-30-2s, if they do then that thing will shred us.I am also working on an official spin-off but I am getting disheartened by the lack of people being interested.
>>3474774>they might have four Gsh-30-2sBut isn't that 8 of them? Hyuck hyuck.
>>3474869Yeah, eight 30mm cannons. Guess we should be thankful it doesn't have a pair of Gsh-6-23s which would have a combined rate of fire of 20,000-rounds per minute.
>>34749848 Barrels, only 4 cannons.Yes there is a difference.Also they would be pretty much useless after the first microsecond of a burst because the burst mass will throw the plane off target with its recoil. (that's why 630's and 23-6's are RoF limited to specific length duration bursts)
>>3475122True, very true. Still given how lightweight the Gsh-30-2 is, who knows how many guns they could fit in the Fandance
>>3475122One reason the A-10 is such a stable platform is it is 1) heavy (the bathtub is directly above the gun) and 2) the gun is on the centerline. If the plane isn’t built around the gun(s) then you are very limited by size and capacity to avoid major performance issues.
>>3475122Adding extra guns is a bad idea, they take up way too much internal space and vibration issues from having so many guns with such a high ROF firing at the same time would be hell on the airframe. And even the vibration issue gets solved, the internal space taken up by the ammunition stowage bins is gonna be an issue.
>>3475626The Wyvern has four GAU-22s, a four-barreled 25mm rotary gun. But your right, recoil could be a problem, then again Russia prefers autocannons over rotary cannons.
>>3475643>The Wyvern has four GAU-22sW H Y? The sheer vibration stress from firing all those guns would play merry-hell on the sensitive electronics and could cause fuselage cracks if we routinely use all of them at once (and we will once we go to war). Just half of our guns put us in the same ROF league as the GSh-6-30, and that caused fatigue cracks and electronics damage to the aircraft it was mounted on, granted it was on a MiG-27 but that doesn't mean we won't encounter a similar issue with double the ROF. Back in '89 we only had 2 guns and did well, and we're never going to load more than 2 types of ammo, so the ammo-type issue is right-out. The space for half of those guns could be re-used for electronic systems or increased fuel storage and we would be far more useful.
>>3475689>W H Y?Because nobody has done the world a favor and murdered Pierre Sprey, yet.
>>3475689Honestly I have no clue either, because that's absurd overkill. It could be that they found room for two additional guns by deleting two bins and going to a mixed belt like on the A-10 Thunderbolt II. As for how they handle the recoil force, Sparkly Magic Bullshit maybe?
>>3475689>W H Y?Kills witches really good.>The sheer vibration stress from firing all those guns would play merry-hell on the sensitive electronics and could cause fuselage cracks if we routinely use all of them at once (and we will once we go to war)I imagine in a billion dollar fighter they have already figured out how to mitigate it.
>>3475689>>3475700Or to be fair they likely aren't always all fired at once except for targets with shields
>>3475700Out of curiosity what are other things that cause vibration stress ?
>>3475753That's not how guns on planes are designed or work.
>>3475763Steam Catapult Launches, hell the amount of power in those things is insane, to the point that a "Hot" launch, where the catapult has literally too much steam pressure, it'll rip the nose gear right out of the plane. For witches those are probably called SAFPs or Steam-Assisted FacePlants
>>3475700>>3475753We still slaughtered witches with only 2 guns back in '89. Remember how merlin used magic to enhance the 20mms to hit like small tank cannons? Having 4 guns, all enhanced to do the same really shouldn't be needed to shred shields.>>3475699Putting the guns where the bins were wouldn't work, the bins are usually buried deep inside the fuselage of the aircraft carrying it. See how the F-15, F-16 and F-22 have their ammo-bins deep inside the fuselage. I suppose that magic could be a fix for the vibration issues, but still. Hopefully we get the option to modify our aircraft once the war begins. We can remove the extra guns and get something else. It should be an easy fix for Merlin, and we might be able to retain the magic ammo storage bays for the remaining guns.>>3475763Airframe buffeting can cause vibration issues, which is something the Wyvern is going to have issues with due to it's forward-swept swing-wings. High-G forces can also cause vibrations, but aircraft have been dealing with those for ages, so that's no big issue.
>>3475770Then I refer to my original comment, it's a billion fighter they've probably mitigated it.>>3475778>We still slaughtered witches with only 2 guns back in '89.It still took time to chew through shields, compared to now were it's been barely worth the comment.
>>3475772My guess would be electromagnetic catapults were a thing earlier in ‘verse due to the ability to more precisely adjust launch thrust.
>>3475816The AI could probably compensate in some way. It would have to anyway when the wings and tail transition between high and low speed flight.
>>3476118Doubtful, have you seen the articles on how fincky the Electromagnetic Catapults are proving to be?
>>3476133I hadn’t looked at the issue since they’d been approved for the Fords ... not surprised to see bugs to work out through ... it’s a completely new technology compared to what we’d been using.
For those that are interested, I am running a spin-off thread to Strikers 2016 with Ghost Division's blessing, revolving around Goose as the MC. It should be noted that she still acts like a kid at times, but given her line of work....
Haha, only a half hour later than I'd hoped to start! So, news. Nothing I haven't already said a few times, so nothing that bears repeating, I think! And with that out of the way, let's get the party started! ==============================================================================================The morning seemed to crawl by, especially after Merlin managed to foist a can of that green monster shit on you. You regret it- you always do- but she swears by them and downs upwards of six cans a day. While you’re pretty sure that’s far, far too many, she defends it as magic needs the specific blend of whatever is actually in the stuff- and her last medical check-up put her in marginally better shape than you. At least, according to her, though she could be telling a modified truth- she did blush while saying it.You spent the first part of the morning in the base hospital. Nothing critical or even worrisome- just a check-up, looking at your implant sites and your general health. “Infuriatingly healthy” was the doc’s verdict, with any lingering traces of complications during your plug implant surgery already clearing up nicely. You’ll still be on antibiotics, at least for a little while longer, but that’s standard for the program- your witch will be on them once she has her own surgery. The next part of the morning had been catching up on the world. China’s making noise about Taiwan, again- of course, they’re also making claims on the whole of the south china sea, and basically every Japanese island possession south of Kyushu. For the most part, the Japanese are treating it as borderline normal- these kinds of claims from Beijing have been going on since the turn of the millennium- along with threats and ‘strongly worded warnings’ to the south Koreans about ‘economic violations’ of ‘sovereign Chinese waters’. No one stateside seems to know what, if anything, the US is planning to do in case of aggression- there’s another CVBG in the western pacific, making three total, along with another on semi-permanent station in the Arabian sea. Another border flare-up is going on between India and Pakistan, but most everyone thinks it’s going to deescalate, as it usually does. Neither side there seems to want a war. 1/2
When you finally got to the briefing room, it wasn’t empty- Colonel Jackson was in there with a young marine, the gold wings on his uniform marking him as an aviator. He’s got the look you’ve come to associate with Marines- intense, for lack of a better term, like a high-tension spring under pressure. “Lieutenant.” The colonel says, nodding towards you. “You can take a seat if you’re so inclined, Lieutenant Sorensen was just getting the usual chat for incoming Wyvern drivers. Sorensen, you can leave. Go see the doc, your driver already knows where you’re going, and, we’ll see you in the morning for initial selection.” The marine Lieutenant nods, looking at you with bright, piercing eyes- he doesn’t look impressed, but then again, you’re not impressed either. He holds himself like a man with something to prove against the world- someone more impulsive than you were ever allowed to be. He leaves without a word, and the colonel watches him go without comment. “Your other half for this flight should be here momentarily.” He says, checking his watch. “Apparently mis- er, sorry. Admiral Wells wanted to talk with her some.” He shrugs. “You looking forward to getting done, here, Lieutenant?” Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.  Wish I could have gotten a couple more flights, to be honest, sir.
>>3476517>[x] Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.
>>3476517>[X] Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.
>>3476517>[x] Wish I could have gotten a couple more flights, to be honest, sir.We don't like rushing around.
>>3476517>[x] Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.Good evening, Chief! Glad I could make it tonight.
>>3476517>Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.
>>3476517> Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.
>>3476517>[x] Wish I could have gotten a couple more flights, to be honest, sir.I'm not, but I think Morgan would want more time.
>>3476517> Yes, sir. Anxious to get to the real training.> Wish I could have gotten a couple more flights, to be honest, sir.I know the vote is over but I think what Morgan would be feeling is a bit of both. On the one hand, having less than one day to meet and decide on a partner you're going to be married to for decades is all a bit of a rush. On the other hand he is no doubt anxious to get on with the *real* training because he knows that these missions are designed to toy with him in various ways, both as a reminder that Wyverns aren't invincible and a confidence booster for the witches to remind them that Wyverns aren't invincible.Of cour